Islands Trust Executive Committee regular meeting, May 14, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Morrison: um i would like to say good morning to trustees and staff and any who are joining us as they pop in

[0:00:07] Trustee Morrison: um we are uh um sorry um we are now broadcasting and prepared to start this meeting of the trust

[0:00:26] Trustee Morrison: programs committee for may 15th is it really already may 15th no may 14th sorry i'm seeing

[0:00:36] Trustee Morrison: a different date on my agenda than i am on the calendar so may 14th um and um so i'd like to

[0:00:43] Trustee Morrison: call this meeting to order um let everyone know that we're recording and live stream today um

[0:00:51] Trustee Morrison: i want to begin with by acknowledging with respect that we're grateful to be able to gather together

[0:00:56] Trustee Morrison: within the locations and the traditional and treaty territories of the coast salish people

[0:01:00] Trustee Morrison: I have for members of the committee the opportunity to share and acknowledge treaty and territorial

[0:01:07] Trustee Morrison: areas in the meeting chat function as part of reconciliation.

[0:01:11] Trustee Morrison: I myself am coming in today from the traditional and unceded territories of the WSANSH peoples,

[0:01:19] Trustee Morrison: other Coast Salish nations.

[0:01:22] Trustee Morrison: I'm Deb Morrison, the chair of the Trust Programs Committee and elected on North Pender Island.

[0:01:27] Trustee Morrison: and i'm joined today by members of the trust program committee and staff um we are grateful

[0:01:33] Trustee Morrison: for the ability to have electronic meetings we're reducing our carbon footprint that trustees staff

[0:01:39] Trustee Morrison: and public um don't have to travel as we are honoring provincial health orders and guidelines

[0:01:45] Trustee Morrison: during the pandemic um and thanks to all for the continued support in handling this because it's a

[0:01:53] Trustee Morrison: a long call here. The meeting may have challenges. We're learning and improving as we go and have

[0:02:01] Trustee Morrison: improved a lot, actually, in the last year. We all need to be understanding and supportive if

[0:02:06] Trustee Morrison: there's any challenges. I ask everyone to mute their mics when they are not speaking to reduce

[0:02:11] Trustee Morrison: the risk of audio disruptions during the meeting, and we appreciate your understanding and assistance

[0:02:19] Trustee Morrison: in this meeting situation.

[0:02:21] Trustee Morrison: And we apologize in advance for any technical challenges

[0:02:23] Trustee Morrison: that may come up.

[0:02:26] Trustee Morrison: I did not actually do my count.

[0:02:29] Trustee Morrison: One, two, three, four, five, six.

[0:02:31] Trustee Morrison: We are just at quorum.

[0:02:33] Trustee Morrison: Is that accurate?

[0:02:34] Trustee Morrison: Okay, okay.

[0:02:38] Trustee Morrison: So I do wanna do a quick technical check too.

[0:02:41] Trustee Morrison: I didn't do that before the meeting started.

[0:02:43] Trustee Morrison: So I do wanna just do that.

[0:02:44] Trustee Morrison: And maybe we can do that by having trustees on mute

[0:02:46] Trustee Morrison: and staff unmute and introduce them briefly.

[0:02:52] Trustee Morrison: So one last statement, maybe before we do that,

[0:02:54] Trustee Morrison: I also just want to add that this is a place of employment

[0:02:58] Trustee Morrison: and a public gathering.

[0:02:59] Trustee Morrison: So despite the fact that many trustees, staff,

[0:03:01] Trustee Morrison: and others are in their homes,

[0:03:02] Trustee Morrison: everyone has the right to a safe and respectful place.

[0:03:05] Trustee Morrison: So thanks for everyone's patience today.

[0:03:07] Trustee Morrison: So if I can go around and help folks

[0:03:10] Trustee Morrison: introduce, unmute their mic,

[0:03:11] Trustee Morrison: and I'll just call people to go around in an orderly way.

[0:03:14] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Peterson.

[0:03:15] Trustee Morrison: Good

[0:03:18] Voice 8: morning, Trustee Peterson from Liskety Island in the territory of many Coast Salish peoples and the Treaty Territory of the Tlaman Nation.

[0:03:27] Voice 20: Thank you. Trustee Cayley.

[0:03:34] Voice 20: Good morning,

[0:03:34] Voice 5: and from beautiful Bowen Island, I'd like to introduce myself, Michael Cale, and I'm also a municipal councillor here on the island. So good morning.

[0:03:47] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Rogers.

[0:03:51] Trustee Rogers: Good morning, Dan Rogers, coming to you today from the traditional territories of the Muscogee

[0:03:56] Trustee Rogers: and Tsleil-Waututh and Swahili people. So I'm in Vancouver today, trustee from Keats Island and

[0:04:02] Trustee Rogers: member of the executive.

[0:04:05] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Langrice.

[0:04:09] Voice 2: Good morning, yeah, Casey Langrice from

[0:04:11] Voice 2: Gabriel Island, the traditional territory of the Tsleil-Waututh First Nation, of which I am

[0:04:17] Voice 2: pleased to have been able to live here for so long.

[0:04:21] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Colburn.

[0:04:24] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, Scott Colburn, Gabriel Onsenuk, First Nation Territory.

[0:04:28] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Staff Member Lisa Wilcox.

[0:04:33] Voice 16: Chuck Mahal, Queensland, Ku'kwongtunat, coming to you from the Lekwungen Territory,

[0:04:39] Voice 16: just noting that I'll be away from the meeting from about 9.20 till coming back hopefully

[0:04:45] Voice 16: at around quarter to 11.

[0:04:49] Trustee Morrison: Great, thank you so much.

[0:04:52] Trustee Morrison: Staff Member Delaunay Hippla.

[0:04:55] Voice 17: Hello, good morning. I'm Delaunay Hippla, Senior Policy Advisor with Islands Trust.

[0:05:01] Voice 17: Very pleased to be joining today from the territory of the Tlahoos, Tla'Aman and Hamalko

[0:05:05] Voice 17: Nations.

[0:05:07] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Staff Member Robert Barlow.

[0:05:12] Voice 12: Robert Barlow, the Legislative Services Clerk in your quarter for the meeting today.

[0:05:16] Voice 12: and I'm grateful to be living and working

[0:05:19] Voice 12: on the traditional territories of the Kwongan people.

[0:05:24] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:05:25] Trustee Morrison: And Claire.

[0:05:28] Trustee Morrison: Good

[0:05:29] Voice 10: morning, Claire Frader.

[0:05:30] Voice 10: Pleased to be coming to you today

[0:05:31] Voice 10: and honored and grateful to be coming

[0:05:33] Voice 10: from the Lekwungen Speaking Peoples Territories.

[0:05:36] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:05:37] Trustee Morrison: And your role, Claire?

[0:05:40] Voice 10: Role of Director of Trust Area Services.

[0:05:42] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:05:43] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[0:05:44] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:05:44] Trustee Morrison: Sound all sounds great.

[0:05:45] Trustee Morrison: Great. So we have an agenda in front of us today. I just want with trustees, given that we are just at quorum, is there any time constraints for trustees, so that I can manage that, other than the fact that the meeting is scheduled to go to it actually

[0:06:03] Trustee Morrison: I don't see an end time on my agenda.

[0:06:09] Voice 3: I would hope

[0:06:10] Trustee Morrison: that we can wrap it up as quickly as possible,

[0:06:12] Trustee Morrison: but maybe I'm getting the wrong one here.

[0:06:17] Trustee Morrison: It's scheduled to go till 2 o'clock, Chair Morrison.

[0:06:20] Trustee Morrison: Till 2 o'clock, thank you.

[0:06:21] Trustee Morrison: Is there any constraints that anybody needs to name for me right now?

[0:06:27] Voice 10: No, I can just mention Trustee Critchley's having computer trouble,

[0:06:30] Voice 10: so I'm just going to be working for a minute to try and get him some assistance.

[0:06:33] Trustee Morrison: Perfect. Okay, that's great to know. Thank you.

[0:06:36] Trustee Morrison: all right so um the approval of the agenda are there any new items or reordering of the agenda

[0:06:44] Trustee Morrison: that we need to do all right then i will assume that we can sorry chair

[0:06:53] Voice 12: morrison there were there

[0:06:55] Voice 12: was material sent out last night and in regards to more material regards to the island's 2050

[0:07:05] Voice 12: 50 questions for trustees the summary of responses there were some additional responses received late

[0:07:11] Voice 12: and also a graphic that needed to be replaced as it was inadvertently cropped and we also received

[0:07:18] Voice 12: information that trustee critchley was intending to present material for consideration as his

[0:07:25] Voice 12: response to this topic was received late okay

[0:07:31] Trustee Morrison: so it's really at the description of the committee

[0:07:35] Trustee Morrison: committee I think whether we're going to accept late materials just because that is a challenge

[0:07:39] Trustee Morrison: for us to integrate them and think about them that

[0:07:42] Voice 19: is correct any

[0:07:43] Trustee Morrison: comment on that yeah Delaney

[0:07:46] Voice 17: I just want to point out chair that uh trustee Critchley had sent had tried to send his submission

[0:07:52] Voice 17: on Sunday and had a technical error on his end so um I just wanted to highlight that it wasn't

[0:07:58] Voice 17: intentionally late it was just a technical glitch that's

[0:08:02] Trustee Morrison: good to know but we just got it last night

[0:08:05] Trustee Morrison: yes okay okay uh

[0:08:08] Voice 20: any other comments or thoughts and what's first actually oh

[0:08:17] Trustee Morrison: sorry tim your yellow

[0:08:18] Trustee Morrison: is fading into your green back tim go ahead uh

[0:08:22] Voice 8: thanks yeah no i'm inclined to um i'm inclined to

[0:08:26] Voice 8: uh uh accept uh trustee critchley's um material and then it sounded like there was just some

[0:08:32] Voice 8: technical thing with the the cropping of the of the image and i'm i'm fine to i think we should

[0:08:39] Voice 8: accept that as well

[0:08:39] Trustee Morrison: okay any um other thing dan that you'd like to add on that okay okay hearing

[0:08:46] Trustee Morrison: no opposition we'll go ahead and accept those things into the agenda um and if we can have them

[0:08:52] Trustee Morrison: posted on the public site or the compilation like redone and posted on the public site so that

[0:08:57] Trustee Morrison: they're part of the meeting documents that would be helpful um just so in future we can find them

[0:09:04] Trustee Morrison: and so any other changes or additions to the agenda today or sorry to the items or reordering

[0:09:12] Trustee Morrison: of the agenda today okay so we'll go ahead and accept the agenda by consent adoption of the

[0:09:20] Trustee Morrison: meetings there's a correction here it should say on our agenda package that it's the trust program

[0:09:26] Trustee Morrison: committee meetings for may 3rd not april 8th that's just a typo on our package the actual

[0:09:32] Trustee Morrison: meeting minutes that are in here are for may 3rd um so that will that's been corrected and noted

[0:09:39] Trustee Morrison: um any other corrections to the minutes of meeting for may 3rd okay we'll go ahead and

[0:09:48] Trustee Morrison: accept those by consensus no resolutions without meeting follow-up action must claire would you

[0:09:56] Trustee Morrison: like to take us there page seven of our package i

[0:10:01] Voice 10: would be happy to thank you um so as you may know

[0:10:04] Voice 10: staff over the last while have been almost exclusively focused on the policy

[0:10:09] Voice 10: statement amendment project and the website launch and then follow up from

[0:10:14] Voice 10: the website launch so not much has happened with the other pieces I can say

[0:10:18] Voice 10: we have continued to meet but I can't say we've met since your last meeting

[0:10:21] Voice 10: with the Crown land folks unfortunately had to cancel the meeting yesterday due

[0:10:24] Voice 10: to staff illness but we we will be rescheduling that for this in your

[0:10:29] Voice 10: future if you could just scroll down Robert I'll highlight if there have been

[0:10:32] Voice 10: in any other changes.

[0:10:33] Voice 10: I don't believe that there have been since your last meeting.

[0:10:37] Voice 10: Director Marla was going to join us this morning,

[0:10:38] Voice 10: but he's been delayed.

[0:10:40] Voice 10: I don't believe there are any updates

[0:10:41] Voice 10: about your MOTI road standards,

[0:10:43] Voice 10: but I'll try to get you an update for your June meeting.

[0:10:46] Voice 10: And I can mention that with regard to the number two there

[0:10:49] Voice 10: around the policy statement amendment policy,

[0:10:52] Voice 10: supporting Trustee Peterson and bringing an RFD

[0:10:54] Voice 10: around updating that policy for more regular review

[0:10:58] Voice 10: of the policy statement.

[0:10:59] Voice 10: I spoke with Trustee Peterson over the weekend

[0:11:01] Voice 10: and perhaps he could speak to it as well but we reached an agreement to bring that later in the

[0:11:06] Voice 10: year and perhaps he may wish to speak to this item at this time.

[0:11:10] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead Trustee Peterson if you want

[0:11:12] Trustee Morrison: to add anything.

[0:11:14] Voice 8: Yeah no thanks just the compressed timelines here and the huge amount of work staff

[0:11:21] Voice 8: has been doing and I really appreciate the direct contact and we will we'll be advancing this just

[0:11:28] Voice 8: not today.

[0:11:32] Voice 10: I can add to that that part of the conversation was regarding the feasibility of

[0:11:36] Voice 10: doing an annual update. Staff really want to take a good look at that and whether we can manage an

[0:11:42] Voice 10: annual update process and whether nations could manage an annual update process. So a little bit

[0:11:46] Voice 10: more consideration of how to advise and whether what the best process might be going forward

[0:11:51] Voice 10: in terms of how best to keep these amendments going on a regular cycle but one that's achievable.

[0:11:58] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Okay. That sounds great. All right. Any other comments or questions about the

[0:12:09] Trustee Morrison: follow-up action list?

[0:12:12] Voice 10: I don't have anything further at this time, but I'd be happy to take questions.

[0:12:16] Trustee Morrison: Any questions?

[0:12:19] Trustee Colbourne: Sorry, I've got one. I'm having some technical difficulties here.

[0:12:21] Trustee Colbourne: No worries.

[0:12:22] Trustee Colbourne: It's Scott. I'm wondering, and I literally just lost my screen here. Now that the website's

[0:12:29] Trustee Colbourne: launched congratulations everybody it's you know everyone's getting used to it um and it's getting

[0:12:34] Trustee Colbourne: some positive reviews we've talked about uh so communications materials that would define what

[0:12:40] Trustee Colbourne: the trust is look at place-based um recognition of first nations and also some uh stewardship

[0:12:48] Trustee Colbourne: guidelines uh just we have to recognize the number of real estate transactions that have

[0:12:53] Trustee Colbourne: happened the number of newcomers um the scale and rate of development and um there's uh i think we

[0:13:02] Trustee Colbourne: can communicate a lot through social media and websites but a direct mailing of some kind i know

[0:13:06] Trustee Colbourne: there's something going at tax notice but we really need to communicate urgently with islanders

[0:13:12] Trustee Colbourne: about the current context and uh also some advocacy things around tree tree cutting and

[0:13:18] Trustee Colbourne: tree regulations the number of clear cuts here is is shocking um and and it's mostly for residential

[0:13:25] Trustee Colbourne: it's it's exclusively for residential development so um that's that's an education piece as we

[0:13:31] Trustee Colbourne: you know lean into getting better regulatory powers we need to communicate with people the

[0:13:37] Trustee Colbourne: sanctity of this space and what it means and how it's important on a global scale and a local scale

[0:13:43] Trustee Colbourne: and we need to communicate better.

[0:13:45] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm wondering if there's any update

[0:13:47] Trustee Colbourne: on using the communications material

[0:13:49] Trustee Colbourne: that have been collected for the website

[0:13:51] Trustee Colbourne: in a direct mailing or some form

[0:13:53] Trustee Colbourne: of better communication to Islanders.

[0:13:57] Voice 10: So through the chair, I'd be happy to answer that.

[0:13:59] Voice 10: So you've adopted in March, you adopted,

[0:14:02] Voice 10: or maybe February a living in the trust area project charter

[0:14:05] Voice 10: and then council provided the funding for this year

[0:14:08] Voice 10: to do a mailing on a fair,

[0:14:10] Voice 10: you know we're thinking a bi-monthly basis to new residents wanting to mention that we have

[0:14:15] Voice 10: some staff capacity issues at this point that prevent us from turning our minds to this at

[0:14:19] Voice 10: this point so we're still all systems go on the policy statement and website continues we haven't

[0:14:24] Voice 10: quite completed launch yet we're still following up from all the feedback we're getting and all

[0:14:29] Voice 10: the errors that are being noticed and so on so it's still really a almost exclusive focus on

[0:14:33] Voice 10: those two initiatives we're also I have submitted the community communication specialist job profile

[0:14:39] Voice 10: profile, which will be instrumental to helping execute that to the public service agency

[0:14:44] Voice 10: for classification, but don't have a timeline yet on that will be returned to us for job

[0:14:49] Voice 10: posting.

[0:14:50] Voice 10: And we also have no program coordinator at this point or in the middle of a hiring process

[0:14:53] Voice 10: there.

[0:14:54] Voice 10: So at this point, I don't see that it's feasible for us to really undertake any action with

[0:14:59] Voice 10: regard to that program until we have a few more resources in place.

[0:15:03] Voice 10: My plan is to bring you a more detailed briefing and options and ideas for your June meeting.

[0:15:10] Voice 10: But I wouldn't anticipate that really anything would be mailed until later in the fall.

[0:15:14] Voice 10: But we'd be happy to hear feedback from the committee around that.

[0:15:17] Voice 10: But at this point, we just don't have the resources.

[0:15:19] Voice 10: And of course, the next thing that's going to happen for the policy statement is we have to prepare to once it makes it through first reading,

[0:15:25] Voice 10: we then have a referral process to over 100 referral agencies.

[0:15:28] Voice 10: And that will be a first time for Trust Area Services to undertake something like that.

[0:15:31] Voice 10: So there's still quite a bit of energy, even once we make it to first reading with regard to the policy statement in terms of managing the referral process.

[0:15:39] Trustee Morrison: I'm wondering, just as a follow up, I'm wondering about, I did some digging around in the last couple years of what and talking with Planner Kojima about some of the material already exists inside the trust that have been kind of just sitting in different LTC bins, because they were done as LTC projects.

[0:15:59] Trustee Morrison: And I'm wondering if there's a way to have planning services identify some of those things just because of their institutional knowledge in the space to be able to lift those to the website work as an interim measure, because there really are some good resources.

[0:16:15] Trustee Morrison: It's not a starting from scratch situation at all.

[0:16:18] Voice 10: So I can speak to that.

[0:16:20] Voice 10: So what we did with the launch of the website, we took the materials that were most applicable and most ready, and those are on the website already as they apply to the various topic areas.

[0:16:27] Voice 10: there are we have already done the work of consolidating we did a directory rebuild of all

[0:16:33] Voice 10: we refiled all the documents electronically and when that process was being done I had everyone

[0:16:38] Voice 10: who found a publication put in what we're calling a publications folder and we've sorted them by

[0:16:42] Voice 10: like useful now could be useful might be useful probably not useful I now need someone in light

[0:16:47] Voice 10: of the new website language to go through those documents sort them high grade them and then we

[0:16:53] Voice 3: need to make

[0:16:53] Voice 10: sure the language is consistent for reconciliation and also for our new visual

[0:16:57] Voice 10: identity if we're going to be printing publications i really would like them to reflect our updated

[0:17:01] Voice 10: visual identity many of these documents are at least a decade old and they look like it um so

[0:17:06] Voice 1: we're wanting

[0:17:06] Voice 10: a fresh face so that's sort of the thinking behind what needs to happen there is a

[0:17:09] Voice 10: lot of great material sitting there but it does need sort of that value-added layer before we can

[0:17:15] Voice 10: print it and put it open out in a package okay but

[0:17:18] Voice 10: we have already done the work of compiling

[0:17:20] Voice 10: we have hundreds of publications and it's something now

[0:17:22] Voice 10: local trust communities have

[0:17:24] Voice 10: have often we you know we've often got five different shoreline things because different

[0:17:28] Voice 10: local trust communities over different eras have gone and created their own without knowing that

[0:17:32] Voice 10: other things are i'm hoping to prevent that in the future and sort of yeah yeah okay that material

[0:17:38] Voice 10: is there to be happy to share it um but again there's volumes there's hundreds of documents

[0:17:42] Voice 10: in those folders okay

[0:17:44] Trustee Morrison: and then i mean one more sort of follow-up related to trustee colburn's

[0:17:47] Trustee Morrison: question and trustee colburn jumped into a few other sort of follow-ups but um so what is the

[0:17:53] Trustee Morrison: the timeline on the hiring for the replacement for it's Jillian right yeah so what is the timeline

[0:17:59] Trustee Morrison: on the competition

[0:18:00] Voice 10: closes on May 20th and then it often takes a week or so to sort through the

[0:18:04] Voice 10: resumes it then can take you know up to two weeks to do written exams and screening and then the

[0:18:08] Voice 10: person has to give notice so often another two weeks after that so I would say we're probably

[0:18:12] Voice 10: you know six weeks to two months away optimistically okay

[0:18:16] Trustee Morrison: and that's inhibiting the

[0:18:18] Trustee Morrison: speaker series too right yeah yeah okay okay fun fun any other questions um trustee coburn or

[0:18:26] Trustee Morrison: others yeah

[0:18:28] Trustee Colbourne: that's i i'm i have to make this a priority i really do i i think a website is static

[0:18:36] Trustee Colbourne: a communications um a website is a static passive tool it doesn't go out to people you people have

[0:18:43] Trustee Colbourne: to be directed to it and so i think it's important that that there is some and i'm not just talking

[0:18:47] Trustee Colbourne: about mail to newcomers that's first of all hard to identify second of all

[0:18:51] Trustee Colbourne: somewhat ineffective in terms of a community-wide messaging and I

[0:18:56] Trustee Colbourne: understand the capacity and limitations but I really feel this is a priority I

[0:19:01] Trustee Colbourne: would like to see this on the agenda for the June meeting with a timeline and

[0:19:06] Trustee Colbourne: some costs involved I think the trust is struggling to be irrelevant it's not

[0:19:14] Trustee Colbourne: struggling to be relevant in the face of some current current

[0:19:17] Trustee Colbourne: crises and there's a real thought we had a letter to the our local trust committee yesterday from

[0:19:22] Trustee Colbourne: dr margaret taylor that was really moving around the feeling she has of looking at this she's a

[0:19:28] Trustee Colbourne: biologist who's donated land to the islands trust conservancy um and um you know she ends by saying

[0:19:34] Trustee Colbourne: she uh it's it's it's a very moving emotional letter about habitat loss and tree cutting and

[0:19:40] Trustee Colbourne: and the changes that are happening so rapidly i i feel a real urgency around communicating better

[0:19:46] Trustee Colbourne: with folks, all folks, and I want this committee and its timelines and projects to reflect that.

[0:19:55] Trustee Morrison: So if I could respond. Yeah if I can just wait and just take that and then respond to both. Dan?

[0:20:02] Trustee Rogers: Well and my question falls up on this is I agree, my desk actually has a pile of publications that

[0:20:12] Trustee Rogers: have came out you know over the years that i try and distribute i'm wondering whether it would be

[0:20:18] Trustee Rogers: an easy task to sort of uh see what the need is for trustee holborn for example and gabriela

[0:20:25] Trustee Rogers: or others just and say well what's available right now that we could send out as an interim step

[0:20:29] Trustee Rogers: because you know i i i'm not i totally hear you direct creator i know we have turnover and that's

[0:20:38] Trustee Rogers: Every time it happens, I know it's another problem for you.

[0:20:43] Trustee Rogers: You just go, not again.

[0:20:45] Trustee Rogers: But if we have hundreds of publications,

[0:20:49] Trustee Rogers: if they have information in them that we could distribute,

[0:20:54] Trustee Rogers: could a local trust committee somehow access some of that stuff

[0:20:58] Trustee Rogers: and get it out themselves if there's a specific message

[0:21:02] Trustee Rogers: they need to get out, like tree cutting?

[0:21:06] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to answer one thing and then Claire.

[0:21:08] Trustee Morrison: So we've done that on our local trust committee.

[0:21:11] Trustee Morrison: So local trust committees can actually put that as an ask and the planners will like

[0:21:18] Trustee Morrison: to the best they can to like address that issue.

[0:21:22] Trustee Morrison: It does take it off of the trust area program staff, hopefully, like I'm hoping that doesn't

[0:21:27] Trustee Morrison: look around and like kick in the back.

[0:21:29] Trustee Morrison: But so there is some method to be able to do that in the interim.

[0:21:34] Trustee Morrison: It's not the ideal method.

[0:21:35] Trustee Morrison: I agree it is an interim method to be able to get something moving in a local area because

[0:21:39] Trustee Morrison: we've had terrible problems like just to be cool we're talking about about cutting here

[0:21:42] Trustee Morrison: um Claire um so

[0:21:45] Voice 10: yes there are publications there are not many printed from what I understand from

[0:21:49] Voice 10: offices we're down our stock is fairly low and we were waiting to be able to do this refresh

[0:21:53] Voice 10: so certainly we could reprint some of the old stuff but we would want to have a look at it

[0:21:56] Voice 10: for reconciliation language absolutely before it goes out um to make sure that it's consistent

[0:22:01] Voice 10: with our current values.

[0:22:03] Voice 10: Also, I don't believe we have a lot

[0:22:05] Voice 10: that addresses tree cutting.

[0:22:06] Voice 10: We have information about sensitive ecosystems

[0:22:09] Voice 10: and the value of ecosystems and different ecosystem types,

[0:22:12] Voice 10: but not a lot that addresses tree cutting head on,

[0:22:14] Voice 10: as far as I understand from the inventory

[0:22:16] Voice 10: that we've been through,

[0:22:17] Voice 10: but we could certainly take another look.

[0:22:19] Voice 10: So it might mean creation of some original material.

[0:22:22] Voice 10: Certainly this is something,

[0:22:23] Voice 10: we have a potential communication strategy

[0:22:25] Voice 10: that we haven't yet brought to executive committee

[0:22:27] Voice 10: for finalization.

[0:22:28] Voice 10: communications really is the realm of executive committee under their terms of reference

[0:22:32] Voice 10: so you certainly could you know speak to the executive committee about the resources available

[0:22:37] Voice 10: and where it fits in the prioritization of the different initiatives okay

[0:22:43] Trustee Morrison: and I can shoot a

[0:22:45] Trustee Morrison: letter trustee Colburn just in collaboration with our planner because I know we did this in the last

[0:22:51] Trustee Morrison: year like some kind of like flyer that we did for ours that was had the newer language in it that had

[0:22:57] Trustee Morrison: some different pieces because of this tree cutting issue we've been facing so

[0:23:02] Trustee Colbourne: yeah and and we have

[0:23:03] Trustee Colbourne: community organizations and myself organizing an event for this summer that's going to bring in

[0:23:07] Trustee Colbourne: traditional knowledge holders around trees and and solutions like solutions the conservancy will

[0:23:12] Trustee Colbourne: probably be part of that and part of what we're going to do is fundraise and do a direct mailing

[0:23:15] Trustee Colbourne: and it's just going to be community-based um because the trust is uh is not in this space

[0:23:21] Trustee Colbourne: in a way that you would think um so that's there's there's other solutions growing up there

[0:23:26] Trustee Colbourne: it's unfortunate that I don't feel like the trust is in the space that it should be or could be,

[0:23:33] Trustee Colbourne: and I'm going to bring this to executive committee.

[0:23:35] Trustee Morrison: Okay, just know that you can actually

[0:23:37] Trustee Morrison: access your LTC funds for that. We did that, we didn't know we could do that, but we did it,

[0:23:42] Trustee Morrison: so if that helps with fundraising related issues. Okay, anything else on the fall option list?

[0:23:54] Trustee Morrison: All right. I'm going to go ahead and accept that as reported and move us forward.

[0:24:02] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Sorry, I don't have my like, discover package.

[0:24:06] Trustee Morrison: Um, so Secretariat Services to coordinate groups in the trust area.

[0:24:12] Trustee Morrison: Next, Claire.

[0:24:13] Voice 10: We were actually going to contemplate going in camera prior to consideration of this topic.

[0:24:18] Trustee Morrison: Oh yeah, I see it now here. Sorry, I'm having to flip up and down.

[0:24:20] Trustee Morrison: so let's there's no town hall no delegations let's go ahead with um closed meeting can i

[0:24:26] Trustee Morrison: have somebody make the motion on the front page of our package i'll

[0:24:34] Trustee Rogers: make it it's uh that the meeting

[0:24:35] Trustee Rogers: be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division three section

[0:24:40] Trustee Rogers: 91 i the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege including communication

[0:24:47] Trustee Rogers: necessary for that purpose and let's stop and have

[0:24:51] Trustee Morrison: a second case all right

[0:24:56] Trustee Morrison: all any discussion all right all those in favor please raise your digital hands

[0:25:04] Trustee Morrison: thank you okay hands down any opposed my hands up still that's okay all right so

[0:25:23] Trustee Morrison: we'll go ahead and go in camera the meeting URL is in our chat function so

[0:25:29] Trustee Morrison: So we can go ahead and use that.

[0:25:31] Trustee Morrison: And I will see everybody over there.

[0:25:34] Voice 2: So we just click on that link

[0:25:37] Voice 2: and it'll exit this one meeting, okay.

[0:25:40] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:27:51] Voice 20: Trustee Kahle, I can't hear you.

[0:27:56] Voice 12: I can't hear you speaking.

[0:28:00] Voice 5: Sorry, sorry, Robert.

[0:28:02] Voice 5: I'm working off an iPad rather remotely.

[0:28:05] Voice 5: How do I get onto the closed meeting?

[0:28:07] Voice 12: You need to go into chat function

[0:28:09] Voice 12: and there is a url uh to go to your closed meeting hold

[0:28:16] Voice 5: on chat okay i got the chat

[0:28:18] Voice 5: and i see the url i i have it robert my apologies no sorry

[0:28:25] Voice 5: i'm operating on

[0:28:27] Voice 5: unfamiliar equipment at the moment i

[0:28:29] Voice 12: understand now

[0:28:31] Voice 5: hopefully that's coming

[0:42:57] Voice 20: uh robert are you here i

[0:43:03] Trustee Colbourne: think i left you with a quorum there i just hit the

[0:43:04] Trustee Colbourne: leave button too i just as you started to say

[0:43:06] Trustee Colbourne: i was like oh crap we didn't have quorum for that

[0:43:10] Trustee Colbourne: it's okay

[0:43:11] Trustee Morrison: um trusty barlow or sorry staff member

[0:43:16] Trustee Morrison: barlow are you there

[0:43:18] Voice 10: um reminder you're being live streamed

[0:43:21] Voice 10: at this time

[0:43:21] Trustee Morrison: yeah no worries um robert we're just

[0:43:24] Trustee Morrison: gonna we're on break until uh 9 50 and then we'll resume the

[0:43:29] Trustee Morrison: regular meeting. Oh, sorry, you're muted.

[0:43:36] Voice 12: You're on break now and you're coming back when?

[0:43:39] Trustee Morrison: 9.50. Got it. Thank you.

[0:43:44] Voice 20: We are still recording. Got that. Thank you.

[0:48:10] Voice 20: Oh, is it 10 o'clock? Sorry, I thought it was 9.50. Thank you. Hi,

[0:48:39] Voice 10: Robert. Did the

[0:48:40] Voice 10: turnout say 9.50?

[0:48:43] Voice 12: That is correct. It's only 9.49.

[0:48:47] Voice 10: Yeah, it's just on screen. It says 10 a.m.

[0:48:49] Voice 10: uh

[0:48:51] Voice 12: that is a statement of an anticipation okay coming back from the closed meeting

[0:48:59] Trustee Morrison: got it thank you and claire i think it's okay if we wait a couple more minutes because i see

[0:49:04] Trustee Morrison: there's not folks back in here so if we wait till 10 absolutely

[0:49:07] Voice 10: all right sounds great so we're just

[0:51:17] Trustee Morrison: waiting um till closer to 10 because of the way that messaging is it might be a little bit tricky

[0:51:22] Trustee Morrison: for folks to know to be back here and plus we don't have quorum good

[0:51:31] Voice 20: morning deb morning

[0:51:32] Trustee Morrison: it is

[0:51:37] Trustee Morrison: such a beautiful southern gulf islands i know we're recording i'm gonna stick chat

[0:51:43] Voice 6: just a thought do you really think our meeting i looked at the agenda will really go on for five

[0:51:48] Voice 6: hours including lunch i

[0:51:51] Trustee Morrison: don't think it will but i'm hoping to actually it depends how long we talk

[0:51:56] Trustee Morrison: through the um the secretariat and then it's really i think the big one will be the first

[0:52:05] Trustee Morrison: review of the trust policy statement i think that's what's gonna potentially time um but i

[0:52:12] Trustee Morrison: i'm hoping to be efficient as we go through this and do rounds of conversation to make us a little

[0:52:18] Trustee Morrison: bit more efficient and on no taking and decision making all

[0:52:21] Voice 5: strength to you dad yeah all strength

[0:52:26] Voice 5: it's far too nice to be stuck in my i

[0:52:28] Trustee Morrison: know it's beautiful i took my first two meetings outside

[0:52:31] Trustee Morrison: today yeah

[0:52:32] Voice 5: yeah i i would go outside but it's just too distracting we

[0:52:37] Trustee Morrison: have we have this new

[0:52:38] Trustee Morrison: little spot that's like to be able to sit and work outside and we put a new router out so we

[0:52:43] Trustee Morrison: have good signal i can take video conferences out there it's kind of awesome

[0:52:47] Voice 5: yeah i know i i i can

[0:52:49] Voice 5: get it i can get the good signal outside but i just i just know i should get distracted

[0:52:54] Voice 5: yeah yeah yeah i can't

[0:52:57] Trustee Morrison: guarantee i'm not distracted we have in this one plant it's not quite out in

[0:53:01] Trustee Morrison: bloom yet um but it gets covered with hummingbirds um and then they come up and sit on the piece of

[0:53:08] Trustee Morrison: fencing that we have and that fencing is just that gauge where they they are just big enough

[0:53:12] Trustee Morrison: to sit inside the gauge of the fencing so it's like little like frames of hummingbirds all over

[0:53:17] Trustee Morrison: of the fence and it's um beautiful just to watch them so it's very distracting but yeah it's kind

[0:53:25] Trustee Morrison: of lovely

[0:53:25] Voice 5: yeah well there we go uh that those are the yeah all

[0:53:33] Trustee Morrison: right one two three four five six

[0:53:36] Trustee Morrison: we have quorum can i have everybody just make sure we're all here if i can have you raise your

[0:53:43] Trustee Morrison: hand all right i see two people like rice and kaylee and others if you're there i see peterson

[0:53:51] Trustee Morrison: And oh, great, Critchley.

[0:53:55] Trustee Morrison: I'm just making sure that Colburn and Rogers are at their computers and then we'll move on.

[0:54:06] Trustee Morrison: I see Rogers and everybody can take their hands down.

[0:54:09] Trustee Morrison: Who has their hands up?

[0:54:10] Voice 20: Thank you, Jelani.

[0:54:13] Trustee Morrison: Just give a second for Scott

[0:54:16] Voice 20: to get back at his computer too.

[0:54:23] Voice 20: Who did we lose? Organization

[0:54:30] Trustee Morrison: just changed.

[0:54:31] Trustee Morrison: changed.

[0:54:31] Trustee Morrison: If he knows.

[0:54:33] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Cayley, if you can take your hand down.

[0:54:37] Trustee Morrison: Peterson.

[0:54:38] Voice 20: We lost Peterson.

[0:54:38] Voice 20: A couple more minutes.

[0:54:49] Voice 20: Anybody want to share

[0:55:06] Trustee Morrison: anything from their island before we officially start?

[0:55:09] Trustee Morrison: And I just want to give a couple minutes since the messaging was just that we're starting at 10 again on the screen.

[0:55:14] Trustee Morrison: So I just want to make sure that Trustee Colburn can be back for that.

[0:55:17] Trustee Critchley: Matthew. Omar, I'll leave it quickly, if I could. Yes.

[0:55:24] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, thanks. It's not particularly about

[0:55:27] Trustee Critchley: the arm, but I just wanted, since I was not able to join, first thing, I wanted to explain the

[0:55:33] Trustee Critchley: issue with my late submission. I don't know what

[0:55:37] Trustee Critchley: the heck it is with my computer, something to do

[0:55:40] Trustee Critchley: with a sinking between google and microsoft or what it was but eventually i found uh in the sent

[0:55:51] Trustee Critchley: mail it later appeared and showed that it had been sent on may the 9th at 9 58 pm and i i sent the uh

[0:56:01] Trustee Critchley: i sent that on to staff as well so they could i don't know if they noticed that the date time

[0:56:06] Trustee Critchley: on that it was pretty weird um but it wasn't in my sent mail folder uh earlier uh it's just

[0:56:14] Trustee Critchley: completely bizarre so i i've got no explanation for it but it it was done on time no worries

[0:56:21] Voice 3: it's

[0:56:22] Trustee Critchley: very frustrating uh for me yeah and that's i i got a notification saying that you this

[0:56:28] Trustee Critchley: committee had uh accepted it or added it into the the package which is great i thank you for that

[0:56:34] Trustee Critchley: Yeah,

[0:56:35] Trustee Morrison: no, Delaney explained that to us. So thank you for that. And sorry for the technical challenges. Just as an amusing thing while we're waiting a couple more minutes to start officially here. Just so you know, Trustee Kirsten, my partner is a fairly serious, heavy duty IT person who's in a special area of IT. He's retired now, but he was.

[0:56:56] Trustee Morrison: and he couldn't actually even figure out why somehow when I text him it comes several hours

[0:57:04] Trustee Morrison: later than when anybody else texts him and anybody else texts it right away I was like

[0:57:10] Trustee Morrison: is that like like when you hear me but you don't hear me so it was very amazing and we've never

[0:57:17] Trustee Morrison: been able to figure it out but somehow our phones the way they work on my texts are always

[0:57:23] Trustee Morrison: it's delayed and we'll go there and play with it sometimes like right beside each other and it just

[0:57:26] Trustee Morrison: won't go to his phone so it's very funny all

[0:57:33] Voice 20: right trustee colburn are you there blue sky today

[0:57:54] Trustee Morrison: i have a window

[0:57:55] Trustee Morrison: i don't know if you've noticed but i have a new office

[0:57:58] Trustee Morrison: and a

[0:57:59] Trustee Morrison: window in front of me beautiful i'll

[0:58:02] Trustee Rogers: just while we're rating if you like i could share one

[0:58:05] Trustee Rogers: One thing from how sound is there must be a real proliferation of

[0:58:11] Trustee Rogers: fish and perhaps how herring this year,

[0:58:15] Trustee Rogers: because I've never seen bigger rafts of surf scooters

[0:58:18] Voice 20: and

[0:58:19] Trustee Rogers: there's lots of

[0:58:21] Trustee Rogers: dolphins around and we haven't seen much of the whales yet,

[0:58:24] Trustee Rogers: but there'll be around soon and the sea lions.

[0:58:27] Trustee Rogers: So it's just a sign that there must be large,

[0:58:32] Trustee Rogers: large groupings of the forage fish that have so many of those uh rafts of surf scoters and other

[0:58:38] Trustee Rogers: birds

[0:58:39] Trustee Morrison: wow that is great it

[0:58:41] Trustee Rogers: is it's been really remarkable to see so that's great

[0:58:46] Voice 20: to hear all

[0:58:53] Voice 20: right um and

[0:58:55] Trustee Morrison: yeah it's funny because i grew up in the area where trustee rogers is um uh trustee

[0:59:02] Trustee Morrison: and it's just such a beautiful place and

[0:59:09] Trustee Rogers: of course it was severely it was severely damaged

[0:59:12] Voice 6: and

[0:59:13] Trustee Rogers: you know a lot of work by a lot of people uh to work on bringing it back and of course

[0:59:20] Trustee Rogers: industry industries change etc etc but it's been and it comes and goes but it's uh really fun to

[0:59:28] Trustee Rogers: see this year little

[0:59:29] Trustee Morrison: known fact on my dissertation work was on the biogeochemistry of the house on

[0:59:35] Trustee Morrison: pulp and paper mill for if not my phd my undergraduate honors dissertation was on that

[0:59:41] Trustee Morrison: and about cycling and the cleanup of the industry in the area yeah

[0:59:45] Trustee Rogers: interesting all

[0:59:47] Trustee Morrison: right let's go

[0:59:49] Trustee Morrison: ahead and start we're at 10 and as far as i can see we have quorum we are good to go

[0:59:55] Trustee Morrison: i am going to be blinded for about half an hour by the sun but i will try to manage it

[1:00:00] Trustee Morrison: um okay so rise and report um claire do you want to name what we are reporting

[1:00:10] Trustee Morrison: if

[1:00:10] Voice 12: i may i just want to

[1:00:12] Voice 12: say that's an optional you can uh reconvene without rising without

[1:00:18] Voice 12: reporting it is an option yeah

[1:00:20] Trustee Morrison: we decided we will so yeah go ahead certainly

[1:00:24] Voice 10: the committee

[1:00:25] Voice 10: had decided to rise and report that they approved two sets or received two sets approved a set of

[1:00:30] Voice 10: minutes and i guess receive the rwm perfect

[1:00:33] Trustee Morrison: thank you and

[1:00:37] Voice 10: i can can i confirm for the minutes do we

[1:00:39] Voice 10: have trustee colburn yes

[1:00:42] Trustee Colbourne: yes i'm here good

[1:00:43] Trustee Morrison: thank you very much trustee colburn uh who else is in

[1:00:46] Trustee Morrison: the new uh joining square i can't see a name there but i see a blank square trustee fountain

[1:00:57] Trustee Critchley: is new and staff

[1:00:59] Trustee Morrison: member david marler okay so let's just take a second and welcome in a few

[1:01:04] Trustee Morrison: new people um so uh if we can just acknowledge that uh trustee critchley is in the meeting he

[1:01:12] Trustee Morrison: joined just before we went into closed meeting but i hadn't acknowledged that and then also that um

[1:01:18] Trustee Morrison: staff member david marler is here and is there any other changes i think that's all

[1:01:24] Trustee Rogers: trustee

[1:01:25] Trustee Rogers: thank

[1:01:26] Trustee Morrison: you trustee fenton is freaking me out because i can't see his name on his little

[1:01:31] Trustee Morrison: little square we'll work that out okay so okay um trustee Fenton and um staff member Marler can you

[1:01:39] Trustee Morrison: just um unmute and introduce yourself maybe um uh trustee Fenton first no I don't think he has

[1:01:48] Trustee Morrison: sound attached to him yet so he's probably working that out still so um staff member Marler do you

[1:01:54] Trustee Morrison: want to just unmute and check on your sound okay so I'm not going to acknowledge yet that staff

[1:02:09] Trustee Morrison: member Marlowe's here because I can't hear him. All right so we'll come back to that. Okay

[1:02:16] Trustee Morrison: let's continue. We are at, did our rise and report, we are on number eight, 8.1

[1:02:24] Trustee Morrison: Secretariat Support Services. So we're on page 10 of the package and I assume that staff member

[1:02:31] Trustee Morrison: Robert Marlowe is just checking on Trustee Fenton if that's possible. That would be awesome, thank

[1:02:35] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[1:02:36] Trustee Morrison: Okay, go ahead.

[1:02:38] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[1:02:39] Voice 10: Thank you, Chair.

[1:02:40] Voice 10: Happy to introduce this item,

[1:02:41] Voice 10: which is re-returning to you

[1:02:43] Voice 10: at the request of the committees from your last meeting.

[1:02:46] Voice 10: Staff have restructured the RFD somewhat

[1:02:49] Voice 10: in an attempt to help the conversation be more efficient

[1:02:53] Voice 10: with sort of set up a different structure of the resolution

[1:02:56] Voice 10: and information in the RFD,

[1:02:59] Voice 10: including, I decided to include

[1:03:02] Voice 10: what if you decided to just break it down proportionally

[1:03:05] Voice 10: and provided you you know some guidelines there to help the discussion of course all of that is

[1:03:09] Voice 10: simply meant to be assistive um this is really at your discretion as a committee how you wish to

[1:03:13] Voice 10: allocate the resources you'll note in the director um comment section i did note a request or a staff

[1:03:20] Voice 10: preference is to not be very too specific around how you'd like to allocate staff hours such that

[1:03:25] Voice 10: can you

[1:03:31] Trustee Morrison: drop your video your audio is going broken a bit can you drop your video

[1:03:35] Trustee Morrison: for a second and just repeat the last couple sentences absolutely

[1:03:40] Voice 10: I'm not sure where to start

[1:03:42] Voice 10: off again but simply say we've restructured the RFD to assist the discussion and also

[1:03:49] Voice 10: staff preference is that the committee not tightly allocate staff hours but instead that

[1:03:54] Voice 10: leave that to the director to allocate so that we can respond to changing circumstances

[1:03:58] Voice 10: Okay,

[1:04:00] Trustee Morrison: that sounds good. All right. So I would like to go ahead and open comments to be able to move us forward on this.

[1:04:13] Trustee Morrison: I would like to do sort of a round of any questions or comments for those who wish to, please feel free to pass.

[1:04:21] Trustee Morrison: But I would like to have people's expression of how they would like to support services, or if we should.

[1:04:35] Trustee Morrison: Okay, sorry. Let me start again.

[1:04:39] Trustee Morrison: There are two ways for us to go through this in a timely and efficient manner, given that we also have the policy statement amendment project and some other things to deal with on our agenda.

[1:04:47] Trustee Morrison: one option we have is to go back and look at each program again though we have reviewed each a

[1:04:53] Trustee Morrison: little bit um the other is to take a more global approach how would we want to um look at the

[1:05:02] Trustee Morrison: allocation among all of them if we're going to fund them all so i would love to just go around

[1:05:07] Trustee Morrison: quickly in a loop like a minute or two each of what approach you'd like to take for looking at

[1:05:13] Trustee Morrison: at these decisions on the secretariat.

[1:05:17] Trustee Morrison: So if I can go ahead

[1:05:19] Trustee Morrison: and I'm just gonna start in my upper corner.

[1:05:21] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Kaley, I have you first.

[1:05:25] Voice 5: Yeah, I'm open actually to reviewing these

[1:05:30] Voice 5: and also looking at some other correspondence

[1:05:33] Voice 5: where there's generally a feeling from the letters coming in

[1:05:37] Voice 5: about the length of time required and the rest.

[1:05:41] Voice 5: So I actually would, I would actually favor leaving no stone unturned at this point and reluctant to skip over things to wish later on that I hadn't.

[1:05:53] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Critchley.

[1:05:58] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:06:00] Trustee Critchley: I see all of these as being very worthwhile and an excellent way of leveraging the powers of the trust in actually getting things done.

[1:06:13] Trustee Critchley: so I very much favor them I'm a little concerned about the you know I'm somewhat attracted to the

[1:06:20] Trustee Critchley: idea of of balancing the $4,500 overspending if we fully funded everybody but perhaps staff

[1:06:32] Trustee Critchley: could indicate what sort of steps that would be or what what might be removed from our from our

[1:06:38] Trustee Critchley: budget in order to accomplish that okay

[1:06:41] Trustee Morrison: so we'll come back to that question I'll just pin that one

[1:06:43] Trustee Morrison: on trustee culver uh

[1:06:46] Trustee Colbourne: that would be my question as well i don't have any other further thoughts

[1:06:49] Trustee Colbourne: perfect

[1:06:50] Trustee Morrison: okay uh trustee langrise yeah

[1:06:53] Voice 2: i actually agree with that as well

[1:06:56] Voice 2: wow okay

[1:07:00] Trustee Morrison: uh trustee rogers i'm just wow like look at us three people agree on okay

[1:07:03] Trustee Rogers: so um to answer

[1:07:05] Trustee Rogers: your question i would like to take a global approach uh not individual and i actually have

[1:07:12] Trustee Rogers: a proposal break it down how to what my mind would be how we would break it down i'm not inclined to

[1:07:19] Trustee Rogers: uh to try and overspend because i think all of our programs are very very valuable i wouldn't

[1:07:25] Trustee Rogers: want to take anything from any of the other budget items that we have uh and i think there's a way to

[1:07:32] Trustee Rogers: split the money we have but i'd like to do it as a go on a global basis myself uh

[1:07:38] Trustee Morrison: trustee peterson

[1:07:44] Voice 20: Yeah, thanks.

[1:07:46] Voice 8: Yeah, I think they're all worthy initiatives, and I'd like to see us at least

[1:07:52] Voice 8: give some level of support to all of them. I'm certainly open to some discussion on how

[1:07:58] Voice 8: we decide to allocate, but I'm also not in favour of just unilaterally overspending at

[1:08:04] Voice 8: this point.

[1:08:06] Trustee Morrison: Okay, and can we hear Trustee Fenton? Oh, look

[1:08:11] Trustee Morrison: at that. Trustee Fenton, welcome.

[1:08:13] Trustee Morrison: Hey,

[1:08:14] Trustee Fenton: thank you. You hear me okay?

[1:08:16] Trustee Morrison: Yep, perfect.

[1:08:18] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, I did owe Trustee Peterson's comments.

[1:08:23] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Peterson's comments, okay. Thank you very much. Okay, so it seems to me that there's a

[1:08:32] Trustee Morrison: general feeling to try to fund them all, but there is some desire to potentially think about

[1:08:39] Trustee Morrison: about either funding them all and overspending or funding them all and like coming in a little

[1:08:46] Trustee Morrison: bit below bounds um it feels like we should address that because we're actually about half

[1:08:50] Trustee Morrison: and half split on that issue so before we get into like trying to allocate yes and no how much

[1:08:56] Trustee Morrison: i think we should deal with that are we going to try and fund all at the current level or are we

[1:09:01] Trustee Morrison: going to try and bring them in bounds so if i could hear arguments for against that um that

[1:09:06] Trustee Morrison: that will help us kind of decide

[1:09:08] Trustee Morrison: which level of argument we need to have.

[1:09:12] Trustee Morrison: So, and I'm happy to take anybody on that.

[1:09:14] Trustee Morrison: Anybody want to weigh in on either side of that,

[1:09:16] Trustee Morrison: whether we, so if we're funding them all,

[1:09:20] Trustee Morrison: if we're funding them over, like to the total amount

[1:09:23] Trustee Morrison: or whether we're funding them at a lower amount each.

[1:09:26] Trustee Morrison: I'll go down and then Trustee Kirchner.

[1:09:29] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:09:30] Trustee Rogers: I actually don't think we should fund them all.

[1:09:33] Trustee Rogers: I don't think we should be funding the Economic Commission.

[1:09:38] Trustee Rogers: I think all the other ones support are are very directed to our environmental protection mandate.

[1:09:45] Trustee Rogers: And I'm that's where I would like to see our money go.

[1:09:51] Trustee Rogers: And frankly, I know, you know, the budget is the budget is the budget.

[1:09:57] Trustee Rogers: And yes, we can move it around. But what I saw from the staff report was we would take some money from some of the other some other trust policies.

[1:10:06] Trustee Rogers: sorry sorry trust area services program or or some program from this um and I really think that all

[1:10:13] Trustee Rogers: of our programs are very important um we heard one from trustee Colburn this morning about an issue

[1:10:20] Trustee Rogers: that that is very crucial and yet there aren't the resources to get it going and to sort of steal

[1:10:27] Trustee Rogers: take money from any of those uh the education programs and everything would not be in my view

[1:10:33] Trustee Rogers: appropriate i think we should just work within the 12 000 and as i said i in my mind i have a

[1:10:40] Trustee Rogers: specific idea how the money can get broken up and i can come back to that in a moment but i don't

[1:10:45] Trustee Rogers: think we should fund the economic okay

[1:10:49] Trustee Morrison: uh trustee christy no

[1:10:53] Trustee Critchley: thank you uh just uh interested in

[1:10:55] Trustee Critchley: hearing from staff on on how the uh reduction of funding from other parts of trust area services

[1:11:01] Trustee Critchley: as might occur where

[1:11:05] Trustee Morrison: do you want to respond to that yeah

[1:11:07] Voice 10: happy to speak to that so uh the

[1:11:09] Voice 10: alternative motion we produced is that you fully fund them all and then request staff to come back

[1:11:14] Voice 10: with recommendations around um other projects that could be used to balance that overspending

[1:11:20] Voice 10: um the other projects you have of course at a second the stewardship education which is the

[1:11:25] Voice 10: living in the trust area program and potentially some webinars and the climate change indicator

[1:11:29] Voice 10: indicator program. The other projects that we have are the policy statement, but there's

[1:11:34] Voice 10: no money available within that because it's almost fully expended. And yeah, so really

[1:11:40] Voice 10: it would be $25,000 in the climate change indicator, and I believe 21 total in the living

[1:11:50] Voice 10: in the trust area. So it would really likely if you had to take from somewhere, I believe

[1:11:54] Voice 10: at this point staff recommendation would be the climate change indicator one. The other

[1:11:58] Voice 10: alternative of course is just overspend and advise FPC you've overspent but staff don't recommend

[1:12:02] Voice 10: that at this point early in the fiscal year.

[1:12:06] Trustee Morrison: All right so any other comments on specifically

[1:12:12] Trustee Morrison: the idea of over or under spending related to the $12,000 boundary or particular

[1:12:22] Trustee Morrison: things that you think shouldn't be funded? So Trustee Fenton?

[1:12:26] Trustee Fenton: Yeah I just think the climate

[1:12:29] Trustee Fenton: and indicators being the first thing to potentially lose.

[1:12:32] Trustee Fenton: I don't think we should go there.

[1:12:34] Trustee Fenton: So I would suggest that once again,

[1:12:36] Trustee Fenton: that we just need to this year work within our bounds,

[1:12:41] Trustee Fenton: next year, come up with criteria

[1:12:43] Trustee Fenton: by which we can filter things up front

[1:12:46] Trustee Fenton: a little more effectively,

[1:12:49] Trustee Fenton: given our current interest in this program.

[1:12:53] Trustee Fenton: And I would also be interested to hear

[1:12:55] Trustee Fenton: or why I trust Dan's thinking around the economic forum

[1:13:01] Trustee Fenton: and why he's not in favor of that being part of this.

[1:13:07] Trustee Morrison: Okay, we'll come back to that one in a second.

[1:13:09] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Peterson, I think we haven't heard from you yet.

[1:13:12] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead.

[1:13:14] Voice 8: Yeah, thanks.

[1:13:16] Voice 8: I guess I'm inclined to somewhat disagree

[1:13:20] Voice 8: with Trustee Rogers in terms of not funding

[1:13:25] Voice 8: the rural economic uh um forum at all however i would lean towards um at this point um allocating

[1:13:39] Voice 8: our you know the full funding to um certainly the the uh the house sound forum and the and the baines

[1:13:47] Voice 8: um just based on the fact we've been working with both of them uh for longer so i'd be happier to to

[1:13:55] Voice 8: sort of lean towards fully funding them and perhaps giving you know um lesser to the

[1:14:01] Voice 8: the economic one but i i i think there are benefits um i think there's there's more to that

[1:14:11] Voice 8: than just economics i i attended the inaugural one and there's a lot of um really interesting

[1:14:20] Voice 8: initiatives that actually tie in i believe to tie in with them the environmental goals uh you know

[1:14:28] Voice 8: like moving forward how we we're going to need economies at this point in in in our islands and

[1:14:35] Voice 8: stuff and i think that there's a lot of really thoughtful um stuff going on in that in that forum

[1:14:41] Voice 8: so i don't dismiss it a hand i would put it lower on the list as i say based on the fact that i'd

[1:14:48] Voice 8: like just to keep fully supporting the house sound and baines at this point all

[1:14:54] Trustee Morrison: right i'm going to go

[1:14:55] Trustee Morrison: trustee critchley and then i'm going to ask folks to speak specifically to the economic commission

[1:15:00] Trustee Morrison: since it's coming up as a potential include or exclude um to speak specifically to that one

[1:15:04] Trustee Morrison: trustee critchley thank

[1:15:07] Trustee Critchley: you actually that was uh on my on my list to talk about that right now

[1:15:12] Trustee Critchley: having heard from staff on on the sorts of reductions that we could potentially consider

[1:15:19] Trustee Critchley: I don't favor doing that. So I think we need to stay within our budget. And thinking about what could be dropped, I do think that the economic, whatever it's called, sorry, I don't have it, Southern Gulf Islands Forum request for participation and funding, is the one that I think is the weakest in terms of our mandate.

[1:15:47] Trustee Critchley: date and and it seems to me that it's the type of activity which normally should be funded by

[1:15:53] Trustee Critchley: the regional district as opposed to the islands trust so that's all i have to say on that and

[1:15:59] Trustee Morrison: just a clarification trustee critchley are you saying that the southern gulf islands forum or

[1:16:04] Trustee Morrison: the rural islands economic partnership is the one that should be under the cr sorry is the

[1:16:08] Trustee Critchley: yeah it's the rural islands okay

[1:16:11] Trustee Morrison: thank you um trustee peterson did you have it is your hand

[1:16:15] Trustee Morrison: still up or is it additional comment sorry

[1:16:22] Voice 8: yeah i just wanted to add that i'm yeah i just wanted

[1:16:24] Voice 8: to reiterate i'm not in favor of overspending okay

[1:16:27] Trustee Morrison: thank you um we'll go to trustee colburn

[1:16:30] Trustee Morrison: and then come back to trustee rogers yeah

[1:16:34] Trustee Colbourne: um i i'm in favor of funding all of them maybe

[1:16:37] Trustee Colbourne: um less to the rural islands economic partnership it's not a commission it is a partnership i found

[1:16:44] Trustee Colbourne: that to be more relevant to solutions to environmental crises than a lot of other

[1:16:55] Trustee Colbourne: events and some trust-related things that we've been doing. And they're really looking at things

[1:17:02] Trustee Colbourne: like circular economy. In terms of working in coordination with other bodies, that is an

[1:17:09] Trustee Colbourne: opportunity for the trust to be involved in those conversations and not leave it to other

[1:17:13] Trustee Colbourne: jurisdictions but in fact form partnerships and coordinate and work with first nations who are

[1:17:17] Trustee Colbourne: involved in that event as well so um i i see that tying into the mandate of the islands trust in

[1:17:23] Trustee Colbourne: in real ways um and the issue for i have is that some of these are very regional in nature and you

[1:17:31] Trustee Colbourne: know just as it happens gabriel and some of the islands in the northern half aren't represented

[1:17:36] Trustee Colbourne: within the the currently offered programs and i understand that some of them are have gotten up

[1:17:41] Trustee Colbourne: and started on their own initiatives and with some trust support and now but um i'm interested in kind

[1:17:46] Trustee Colbourne: of pan federation ones like the coastal douglas fir and the rural islands economic uh partnership

[1:17:51] Trustee Colbourne: because they allow us as a trust body to be involved in in those sort of coordination and

[1:17:57] Trustee Colbourne: discussions and policy making so i i'm not in favor of overspending at this time i i i think

[1:18:03] Trustee Colbourne: the budgets of the islands trust um just underspend on an epic scale and this is just a continuation

[1:18:09] Trustee Colbourne: of that, but that argument is for different committees

[1:18:13] Trustee Colbourne: perhaps.

[1:18:16] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[1:18:18] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Rogers, go ahead.

[1:18:21] Trustee Rogers: I actually have a question of clarification

[1:18:24] Trustee Rogers: because as I read the staff report,

[1:18:28] Trustee Rogers: it doesn't look like the economic commission

[1:18:30] Trustee Rogers: is actually asking for him for,

[1:18:33] Trustee Rogers: hasn't asked for any specific amount of money

[1:18:35] Trustee Rogers: because it's not listed in the XXX,

[1:18:38] Trustee Rogers: but rather the suggestion is that we could provide some staff support.

[1:18:43] Trustee Rogers: Director Frater, can you clarify, that's the way I read, they don't seem to ask for anything,

[1:18:49] Trustee Rogers: so I'm not money-wise other than support, but can you clarify, do you understand what their ask is?

[1:18:55] Voice 10: Yes, we did hear that in the letter and in the presentation that you were given as a delegation,

[1:19:02] Voice 10: they are more interested in staff support for assisting with registration details and

[1:19:06] Voice 10: and registration logistics.

[1:19:07] Trustee Rogers: Oh, let me just say, I have no difficulty with that.

[1:19:11] Trustee Rogers: If a committee want to do that,

[1:19:16] Trustee Rogers: that's a different kettle of fish than spending the money.

[1:19:21] Trustee Morrison: All right, and if I can ask for one other clarification

[1:19:23] Trustee Morrison: before we continue, Claire,

[1:19:26] Trustee Morrison: can you, the aspect of staff hours,

[1:19:29] Trustee Morrison: can you just give us the sort of notes again on the number?

[1:19:36] Trustee Morrison: were, so there was, I think when I read it, there was like about 70 available staff hours.

[1:19:42] Trustee Morrison: And does it look like from the review of these multiple projects that that's enough for what's

[1:19:49] Trustee Morrison: being asked across them?

[1:19:52] Voice 10: So yeah, so what I've noted in the briefing is sort of back of the

[1:19:56] Voice 10: envelope math. And again, this is all flexible. There are about 140 hours available in the year

[1:20:01] Voice 10: to support the program. We've identified that managing the contracts generally for whatever

[1:20:06] Voice 10: gets allocated is likely to take up around 70 as well as just general logistics for the program

[1:20:11] Voice 10: leaving around 70 for um hands-on support um i would suggest that that is probably um less

[1:20:19] Voice 10: probably you know it's conceivable that each group could use 70 hours so likely there's a desire for

[1:20:25] Voice 10: more um where where i'm making that you know determination and again it's up to the committee

[1:20:29] Voice 10: to sort of indicate um you know preference i'm hearing a desire also for the stewardship

[1:20:34] Voice 10: of education programming living in the trust area programming heightened social media presence and

[1:20:39] Voice 10: again i've just had a staff transition so some hours are going to be consumed in orientation

[1:20:43] Voice 10: and training but certainly if there's a desire for more we can try and accommodate more and that's

[1:20:48] Voice 10: why i'm asking for a bit of flexibility i'm also aware that you know circumstances can change and

[1:20:52] Voice 10: something happens and in order to pull off an event we've got to put in more hours into one

[1:20:56] Voice 10: and pull from another so i'm asking for a little bit of flexibility there so i was i would suggest

[1:21:05] Voice 10: to use a guideline of 140 but i don't want everyone to be you know making it an onerous

[1:21:09] Voice 10: decision certainly if we need to increase that somewhat it is doable all

[1:21:15] Trustee Morrison: right trustee kaylee

[1:21:16] Trustee Morrison: and then trustee fenton yeah

[1:21:19] Voice 5: i just want to add i think trustee rogers i i support and some others

[1:21:23] Voice 5: support at this stage in this stage of the year staying within the budget i i think uh there'll

[1:21:29] Voice 5: be a very slippery slope to move away from that at this at this stage of our deliberation so

[1:21:34] Voice 5: So that would certainly get my vote.

[1:21:37] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Fenton?

[1:21:41] Trustee Fenton: Thank you.

[1:21:42] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, just getting my head around this whole thing.

[1:21:45] Trustee Fenton: I thought we were not, we don't fund anybody with money.

[1:21:49] Trustee Fenton: We fund them in the form of staff support or contracted.

[1:21:57] Trustee Fenton: Like we're not a granting body.

[1:22:00] Trustee Fenton: No, yeah.

[1:22:01] Trustee Fenton: So I'm confused when we say that that's different

[1:22:05] Trustee Fenton: And I took those numbers that are in that chart to be numbers relative to services in kind, not cash going out to an organization.

[1:22:19] Trustee Fenton: So can I get clarity on that?

[1:22:22] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, Claire, go ahead.

[1:22:23] Voice 10: Yeah, certainly.

[1:22:24] Voice 10: So the Islands Trust provides all the support in two different ways.

[1:22:27] Voice 10: One is through direct staff assistance.

[1:22:29] Voice 10: So primarily through the program coordinator position offering direct support.

[1:22:32] Voice 10: The other way is the trust contracts other administrative people to help the coordination groups.

[1:22:38] Voice 10: So we're either offering it through contracted support or direct staff support.

[1:22:42] Voice 10: So sort of two pronged approach here. So the funding that you're contemplating would be the maximum amount that we would contract,

[1:22:48] Voice 10: whether it's through, you know, different approaches we've taken have been Island Trust minute takers taking minutes.

[1:22:53] Voice 10: It's been hiring graphic facilitators to do graphic facilitation.

[1:22:57] Voice 10: It could be hiring the people who commonly work with these coordination groups, but they report to us in terms of the deliverables.

[1:23:03] Voice 10: So there's been a variety of methods through which we've offered that support, but it is directly provided by Island's Trust, either under contract or through direct staff support.

[1:23:12] Voice 10: Is that helpful clarification?

[1:23:15] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, thank you.

[1:23:16] Trustee Fenton: So the two parallel pieces.

[1:23:19] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, same sort of intent in support, but different mechanisms.

[1:23:24] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, go

[1:23:24] Trustee Morrison: ahead.

[1:23:27] Trustee Morrison: Did you have something else to add?

[1:23:28] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, and so once again, I think it's the throw my hand up again

[1:23:34] Trustee Fenton: with the Rural Island Economic Partnership.

[1:23:37] Trustee Fenton: I think we want to be at the table with them.

[1:23:41] Trustee Fenton: We need to find ways to communicate to our economic development

[1:23:49] Trustee Fenton: throughout the trust area so that we actually get there successfully.

[1:23:53] Trustee Fenton: successfully and so i think yeah just we we need them and we want to be part of that conversation

[1:23:59] Trustee Fenton: so however we make that work i think it's important to keep them on the list um

[1:24:06] Trustee Morrison: doug i had

[1:24:07] Trustee Morrison: a quick question i think trustee colmer was there too i i'm pretty sure i stopped it stepped in for

[1:24:12] Trustee Morrison: that meeting when it was happening the last time and was there a cost to participation for that

[1:24:18] Trustee Morrison: meeting was that just something trustees were invited to participate in and and they could if

[1:24:22] Trustee Morrison: they were available you know i

[1:24:25] Trustee Fenton: can't remember i i don't think it was a lot of cost if there was any

[1:24:29] Trustee Fenton: um it was but it was amazingly well organized and just and the first nations content was huge over

[1:24:39] Trustee Fenton: the top um and then the solutions-based approach to actually looking at the hard realities around

[1:24:46] Trustee Fenton: on recreation, ecotourism, circular economies, it

[1:24:52] Trustee Fenton: was all there. So I just thought to me that this

[1:24:56] Trustee Fenton: is what we need to foster

[1:24:58] Voice 3: engagement

[1:24:59] Trustee Fenton: and not. I was the first economic forum I've ever been to,

[1:25:05] Trustee Fenton: and I would go again because I'm not an

[1:25:08] Trustee Fenton: economist in that regard, but I was actually very, very

[1:25:12] Trustee Fenton: very happy about their direction and where they're trying to go.

[1:25:19] Trustee Morrison: All right, let's keep going.

[1:25:22] Trustee Morrison: And then I'm going to put myself on the list too.

[1:25:24] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Cayley, is that a hand still up or is that a new hand?

[1:25:28] Voice 5: I apologize.

[1:25:30] Voice 5: I'm working with some rather interesting equipment here remotely.

[1:25:34] Trustee Morrison: So thank you.

[1:25:35] Trustee Morrison: No worries.

[1:25:36] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Langrath?

[1:25:37] Voice 2: Yeah, I've sort of swung around to stay within the budget.

[1:25:41] Voice 2: One of the questions I got is the economic forum is asking for hours

[1:25:44] Voice 2: and so is Southern Gulf Island and Bains Sound.

[1:25:48] Voice 2: If we were to fund the hours there,

[1:25:52] Voice 2: what's the impact on each?

[1:25:55] Voice 2: Given that we don't know exactly how many hours

[1:25:58] Voice 2: we're going to have available,

[1:25:59] Voice 2: what's the impact on the availability

[1:26:01] Voice 2: and on the specific proposed request,

[1:26:07] Voice 2: like Southern Gulf Islands wants so many hours,

[1:26:09] Voice 2: Bains Sound and Rural Island economic partnership?

[1:26:14] Voice 2: so does that come to 70 hours or not and

[1:26:19] Trustee Morrison: if i can weigh in a little bit just before you do

[1:26:21] Trustee Morrison: claire because there's one thing i think that is and i would like to come to to trustee rogers

[1:26:26] Trustee Morrison: proposal as well um for the southern gulf islands um effort because the um federal mp and the

[1:26:36] Trustee Morrison: the provincial MLA can't give cash the way their budgets work, they can give hours in kind. So if

[1:26:46] Trustee Morrison: we didn't give any hours, but only cash to be able to fund the external mediator, then that is

[1:26:52] Trustee Morrison: totally reasonable. So I know for that particular one, that's a possibility. Claire? Certainly.

[1:26:59] Voice 10: I think it would be helpful to staff if you could indicate which ones you'd like to have

[1:27:03] Voice 10: staff support. And even if you're interested in like proportionally allocating it, but leave it

[1:27:08] Voice 10: to staff to, you know, I can work with the coordination groups and identify exactly what

[1:27:14] Voice 10: kind of support we can offer. And I could even report back to you at your next meeting how that's

[1:27:17] Voice 10: evolving. And

[1:27:18] Voice 10: if there's a more particular decision to be made, I can bring it back to you at this

[1:27:21] Voice 10: time. As I'm cautioning it, you know, tying us down to particular hours at this point might be

[1:27:28] Voice 10: tricky in terms of actual delivery um but we'd like an indication of which ones you know you'd

[1:27:33] Voice 10: like to support um you've got different yeah different nature the requests are of different

[1:27:38] Voice 10: natures so um an indication would be helpful again if you'd just like to allocate funding

[1:27:43] Voice 10: this time and i can come back to you with more specific staff hour information i can do that

[1:27:47] Voice 10: but i would at this point just be interested in knowing which groups you'd like to offer staff

[1:27:51] Voice 10: support to and then i can work in the background to get um try and set that up and report back if

[1:27:56] Voice 10: if it feels unworkable within the allocated hours.

[1:27:59] Trustee Morrison: Anything else, Case?

[1:28:03] Voice 2: Yeah, so the proportional funding

[1:28:05] Voice 2: that Dan is potentially proposing,

[1:28:08] Voice 2: I'd be curious, interested in looking at that

[1:28:10] Voice 2: in terms of the dollar figures.

[1:28:14] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Peterson?

[1:28:19] Voice 8: Yeah, thanks, and thanks for pointing out

[1:28:22] Voice 8: that the Southern Forum there

[1:28:24] Voice 8: could have some wiggle room on the staff.

[1:28:29] Voice 8: so what I'm hearing from Claire is a couple things that one that that she and her department

[1:28:40] Voice 8: need to be able to really decide on the you know sort of the hours that are going to be allocated

[1:28:47] Voice 8: and I've heard that a couple of times and I just want to remind trustees that you know my big

[1:28:53] Voice 8: takeaway from this discussion last meeting was they want us to know they want to know from us

[1:29:00] Voice 8: which one we want to allocate staff hours to and we need to leave the hours that they're

[1:29:06] Voice 8: going to allocate up to them

[1:29:07] Voice 20: so

[1:29:08] Voice 8: i just wanted to reiterate my understanding of that and um

[1:29:13] Voice 8: and i think what yeah i just what you said about the southern economic forum i think helps

[1:29:17] Voice 8: inform my decision on how we can work forward on that all

[1:29:22] Trustee Morrison: right so i put myself on the speaker's

[1:29:23] Trustee Morrison: list and then maybe we could um go to dan as well i'm trying to decide if i think we need to

[1:29:28] Trustee Morrison: maybe have a vote to just related to like fully funding and spending or staying within bounds

[1:29:36] Trustee Morrison: because i feel like there's still a little bit of a split on that and that would potentially

[1:29:40] Trustee Morrison: indicate the next set of decisions um but so my feeling on this is that um there is some potential

[1:29:49] Trustee Morrison: to come down on some of these.

[1:29:52] Trustee Morrison: I do feel like this is critical work.

[1:29:55] Trustee Morrison: Like all of the things that are on this list are critical.

[1:30:00] Trustee Morrison: methods and processes for being able to engage in intergovernmental advocacy not just writing

[1:30:06] Trustee Morrison: letters it's like active relationship building across different boundaries and that to me is the

[1:30:13] Trustee Morrison: like honey approach of like how we get things changed in the world and so it's you know you

[1:30:21] Trustee Morrison: attract more bees with honey or more flies or whatever the expression is so um I'm I'm a strong

[1:30:28] Trustee Morrison: strong advocate of this type of networking effort and all different constellations of it to be able

[1:30:35] Trustee Morrison: to think with each other about how we actually do things and what's our role in doing those

[1:30:41] Trustee Morrison: things relative to others who are doing things in a real-time way that's not so slow, like what

[1:30:48] Trustee Morrison: can happen in bureaucracy. And I have like two or three examples from my own island to indicate

[1:30:53] Trustee Morrison: where it doesn't work so um i would generally side on the um doing as much as we can uh in funding

[1:31:04] Trustee Morrison: understanding that there's there are fiscal constraints on the trust um i'm a little bit

[1:31:14] Trustee Morrison: wondering given the hiring if the um something that i love like the speaker series is actually

[1:31:22] Trustee Morrison: going to spend all its money this year, given the delay in hiring, if there is capacity to draw on

[1:31:28] Trustee Morrison: some of that funding. And then I also have a question, Dan, as you sort of offer up your

[1:31:34] Trustee Morrison: possibility. I do have a question about when we're thinking about initial funding versus

[1:31:42] Trustee Morrison: funding for things that are already ongoing. I've heard a couple comments that maybe people want to

[1:31:48] Trustee Morrison: to put money more where things established.

[1:31:51] Trustee Morrison: My question would be that that's a little bit

[1:31:54] Trustee Morrison: of a first come first serve model

[1:31:56] Trustee Morrison: and that we need to be very cautious about that

[1:32:00] Trustee Morrison: because we want to be able to build capacity broadly

[1:32:02] Trustee Morrison: across the trust for these types of things.

[1:32:04] Trustee Morrison: And so I think my question to you, Dan,

[1:32:07] Trustee Morrison: is really about like how much money is the house sound

[1:32:11] Trustee Morrison: and maybe Baines, if you know more about that,

[1:32:13] Trustee Morrison: meeting now versus when it started?

[1:32:16] Trustee Morrison: and is there like a plan to be independent going forward or is that something that's not really

[1:32:22] Trustee Morrison: reasonable with these secretariats so maybe if you could throw in on any of that um

[1:32:27] Trustee Rogers: i'm happy to

[1:32:29] Trustee Rogers: throw in on uh some of that if that's okay uh so first of all the for the first 18 years of his

[1:32:36] Trustee Rogers: existence there was no support for the house on forum um and what what happened was is that we

[1:32:43] Trustee Rogers: We have one person that was basically driving it, and she just absolutely needed some support, and we came up with this.

[1:32:52] Trustee Rogers: And that was actually the genesis of this whole idea of the Secretariat of Services, was to provide some support so that there could be some admin support to help this out.

[1:33:02] Trustee Rogers: And this is continuing to be a work in progress.

[1:33:06] Trustee Rogers: So, you know, going forward, who knows?

[1:33:09] Trustee Rogers: I mean, there's about to be, hopefully, a biosphere created over there in Howe Sound.

[1:33:17] Trustee Rogers: We're on the verge.

[1:33:19] Trustee Rogers: And that will create a whole new potential for fundraising that might make them an ability to be a little bit more independent.

[1:33:29] Trustee Rogers: But they also are taking on far more activities, if I could say that, through the biosphere.

[1:33:37] Trustee Rogers: There's lots of plans for lots of things, a whole education series around that's coming up over the next three weeks around.

[1:33:46] Trustee Rogers: Is it World Water Day? Is that where the UN is? I'm sorry, I should know that.

[1:33:50] Trustee Rogers: I don't know as much about the Bain Sound Forum, but Trustee Critchley can tell us, except what I've heard,

[1:33:57] Trustee Rogers: that it was to a large extent the child of the trust.

[1:34:05] Trustee Rogers: And I think they're still struggling to find a way to be self-sufficient, but they're very successful.

[1:34:12] Trustee Rogers: I totally agree with you, Chair Morrison.

[1:34:16] Trustee Rogers: This is a success story for the trust.

[1:34:19] Trustee Rogers: We have so many times where we're frustrated with our ability to get things done.

[1:34:24] Trustee Rogers: And this has been a real success story for all the reasons that you lay out.

[1:34:31] Trustee Rogers: It's a way to connect.

[1:34:32] Trustee Rogers: It's a way to do something on the ground.

[1:34:34] Trustee Rogers: So I think we were going to next year, we're going to look at, you know, how far can we expand this, this program, because it's a real success story. And I think we realized that at the end of last term as part of this, I was part of this committee, and we sort of came to the recognition that this was something that actually worked that we tried to do.

[1:34:55] Trustee Rogers: um my um my suggestion i have a suggestion i don't know if you want me to go

[1:35:00] Trustee Morrison: ahead if you

[1:35:01] Trustee Rogers: don't want me to oh yeah you still want to talk philosophically but sort of my suggestion is is

[1:35:06] Trustee Rogers: is uh would have been to sort of uh provide thirty five hundred dollars to the house sound forum

[1:35:13] Trustee Rogers: twenty five hundred dollars to the bain sound and three thousand dollars each to cdf and southern

[1:35:19] Trustee Rogers: Gulf Islands. Now my reason for saying that is, first of all, House Sound Forum doesn't ask for

[1:35:27] Trustee Rogers: any staff time other than managing the contract. They do their own. So there's no ask from the

[1:35:33] Trustee Rogers: trust other than managing the contract. I don't think the Bains Sound Forum can operate without

[1:35:40] Trustee Rogers: trust support and I think it's an important matter. We haven't funded the CDF to any great

[1:35:47] Trustee Rogers: extent so that I see this as sort of a first step to get him to get some funding into their hands

[1:35:53] Trustee Rogers: or at least support and the southern gulf island one is again is sort of a newer concept and I know

[1:36:00] Trustee Rogers: they have as you say some support from other sources and was thinking that that would probably

[1:36:07] Trustee Rogers: be a sufficient amount for them so that's that's the way I was thinking of dividing up the money

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: And that adds up to $12,000 in terms of contract services.

[1:36:17] Trustee Rogers: So it's a bit of a-

[1:36:19] Trustee Morrison: Just to

[1:36:19] Trustee Morrison: reiterate, I'm not sure I have those numbers right.

[1:36:22] Trustee Morrison: So I have Howe Sound at $3,500, Bain Sound at $2,500,

[1:36:28] Trustee Morrison: CDF at $3,000, and Southern Gulf Islands at $3,000.

[1:36:31] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:36:32] Trustee Rogers: So that's sort of notionally the way I saw it breaking out.

[1:36:36] Trustee Rogers: It would be a fair distribution.

[1:36:39] Trustee Rogers: And I'm totally fine with the way that the staff has set out the motion related, providing staff report to the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, the Bains Sound Forum and the Economic Forum.

[1:36:54] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So I'm going to just clarify one thing, and then I would actually like to ask one universal question before we continue, if that's possible, just about whether we're going to actually keep in funding or go out of funding, because I think we need to establish that before we go much further here so that we can actually make some decisions.

[1:37:12] Trustee Morrison: Claire, can you just clarify for me the question that I had about the speaker series and the hiring related to that?

[1:37:20] Trustee Morrison: Like, will we be able to spend out all of the speaker series funding this year?

[1:37:25] Voice 10: Chair Morrison, I believe it's premature for me to be able to comment that we can't spend funding.

[1:37:29] Voice 10: We're only six weeks into the fiscal year.

[1:37:31] Voice 10: So at

[1:37:31] Voice 10: this point, I think I have to advise that I believe we can spend it all by next March.

[1:37:36] Voice 10: I might be in a different position by fall, but at this point, I have no reason to believe we can't deliver.

[1:37:40] Voice 10: living okay

[1:37:40] Trustee Morrison: no that's that's fair um and i'm hearing like uh potentially like in a month or

[1:37:49] Trustee Morrison: two to like at all time before any of that would be starting to be spent just given the hiring

[1:37:54] Trustee Morrison: spectrum that we just discussed earlier um but even so if that's a focal issue for them they

[1:38:00] Trustee Morrison: can probably spend it over the fall okay trustee peterson trustee critchley oh no wait a minute

[1:38:05] Trustee Morrison: can i can i go to question first if it's okay um if i may just of can i ask the question on a vote

[1:38:12] Trustee Morrison: level of um how how many people so if i can have everybody put their hand down for

[1:38:20] Trustee Morrison: the second critically interested peterson as as next speakers here um if i can have folks vote

[1:38:27] Trustee Morrison: vote, are you willing to overspend the $12,000 programming amount? So all those in favor of

[1:38:37] Trustee Morrison: overspending the $12,000 program amount. I'm going to be the only one. Oh, okay.

[1:38:48] Trustee Morrison: So two of us are overspending. Okay. Hands down. All those in favor of not overspending the $12,000

[1:38:58] Trustee Morrison: amount. Okay. So to me, thank you very much. Hands down. So to me, then we are staying with

[1:39:06] Trustee Morrison: $12 amount and we're working out a decision for that. That's what I hear. Okay. So comments to

[1:39:14] Trustee Morrison: the idea of the down put on the table. I have Trustee Peterson and Trustee Critchley on the list.

[1:39:24] Voice 8: Sorry, mine was a residual hand.

[1:39:26] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Trustee Critchley.

[1:39:28] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:39:30] Trustee Critchley: i just wanted to say uh that uh i fully agree with uh split as proposed by trustee rogers i

[1:39:36] Trustee Critchley: think use up the uh all the funds it doesn't spend over the budget and i think it allocates

[1:39:44] Trustee Critchley: it fairly recognizing the needs of those various groups and i think those are the groups that we

[1:39:50] Trustee Critchley: ought to prioritize so i'm totally on board with that suggestion so

[1:39:56] Trustee Morrison: i think i'll add one thing to

[1:39:57] Trustee Morrison: to the list that's not explicitly stated

[1:39:59] Trustee Morrison: and that is about hours related to hours.

[1:40:04] Trustee Morrison: So I would support this in the context

[1:40:07] Trustee Morrison: of still having some potential hours

[1:40:10] Trustee Morrison: for the Submarine Gulf Islands

[1:40:11] Trustee Morrison: if the amount of funding is reduced to that level

[1:40:14] Trustee Morrison: because I think they would still need

[1:40:16] Trustee Morrison: some additional support perhaps.

[1:40:17] Trustee Morrison: And I'd love to know any other thoughts

[1:40:22] Trustee Morrison: that Claire has on that given her conversations

[1:40:26] Trustee Morrison: and more knowledge about how the mediator and everything else is being handled for that

[1:40:30] Trustee Morrison: um and that we are also providing hours for the economic commission the royal

[1:40:35] Trustee Morrison: commission because i also felt that to be extremely valuable and i i you know many of

[1:40:40] Trustee Morrison: you are gonna be like what especially all the emails i got about like sustainable communities

[1:40:45] Trustee Morrison: that i don't support on them that's totally not true um i completely support sustainable

[1:40:50] Trustee Morrison: communities just not necessarily that language in our trust program statement um but

[1:40:55] Trustee Morrison: But fundamentally, we are communities living in the trust area, and we need to be sustainable.

[1:40:59] Trustee Morrison: So, you know, in thinking about that, I think the Economic Forum provided a lot of opportunities for us to learn and think with a lot of others about what is our role in making sure that we have sustainable economies that are also in line with preserve and protect.

[1:41:14] Trustee Morrison: And it helps us help others learn how to do that, which is often our biggest challenge.

[1:41:19] Trustee Morrison: so okay so any other comments the trustee Fenton the

[1:41:30] Trustee Fenton: only comment would be

[1:41:31] Trustee Fenton: that I think believe Claire was at among other stuff at the forum so she will be

[1:41:39] Trustee Fenton: able to give maybe ruffian a sense of what is reasonable for the economic

[1:41:44] Trustee Fenton: on the forum, given the magnitude of the forum as presented in the past.

[1:41:53] Trustee Fenton: So I'll leave that there with her.

[1:41:54] Trustee Fenton: Thanks.

[1:41:57] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[1:41:58] Trustee Morrison: Any alterations on hours or dollar, not hours, but dollar amounts or comments on hours

[1:42:06] Trustee Morrison: added or not to anybody?

[1:42:08] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[1:42:12] Trustee Morrison: Claire, do you have anything else to add in terms of the SGI or the economic forum hours

[1:42:17] Trustee Morrison: that you might want us to consider or guidance you might need?

[1:42:20] Voice 10: No, I don't have a lot of background at this point.

[1:42:21] Voice 10: I can come back to you at your next meeting when I've had an opportunity.

[1:42:24] Voice 10: There just simply hasn't been time to work with these groups

[1:42:26] Voice 10: to come to you with better advice at this point.

[1:42:28] Voice 10: But at your next meeting, I can come back to you.

[1:42:30] Voice 10: And if I need to recommend a shift, then I can do so.

[1:42:33] Voice 10: But we can look at what can be achieved within the 70 hours

[1:42:36] Voice 10: and then I can report back.

[1:42:37] Voice 10: Again, this is a success story for the trust.

[1:42:39] Voice 10: I have no interest in causing difficulties

[1:42:43] Voice 10: by underestimating the number of hours that are required to do this successfully.

[1:42:46] Voice 10: but just want to create a balance so I hope that you can leave that with me and I'll provide you

[1:42:51] Voice 10: with advice if you know I need to recommend a shift

[1:42:53] Trustee Morrison: okay so Robert if we can have the

[1:42:57] Trustee Morrison: recommendation up on this screen I see it there if we can get it so that it says the dollar amount

[1:43:01] Trustee Morrison: so right now I have in my notes that the first line the southern gulf island forum would be

[1:43:06] Trustee Morrison: three thousand dollars oh disappeared on me oh there you are um so the southern gulf island

[1:43:15] Trustee Morrison: and form would be three thousand dollars the bain sound would be 2500 uh

[1:43:29] Voice 20: yeah 2500 for that one

[1:43:33] Trustee Morrison: and what's the next one coastal douglas spur would be 3000 and what's the last one house

[1:43:40] Trustee Morrison: sound would be 3500 and then we'll do the second motion of hours as a separate issue

[1:43:50] Trustee Morrison: okay any further comment to this idea and can i have somebody move this motion so we can

[1:43:56] Trustee Morrison: and definitively vote on it?

[1:43:59] Trustee Rogers: I'll propose this, so I'll move it.

[1:44:01] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead and read it, please.

[1:44:03] Trustee Rogers: Sure, I move that Trust Programs Committee

[1:44:07] Trustee Rogers: allocate for the fiscal year 2021-2022 $3,000

[1:44:12] Trustee Rogers: to support the coordination

[1:44:13] Trustee Rogers: of the Southern Gulf Islands Forum,

[1:44:15] Trustee Rogers: $2,500 to support the coordination

[1:44:17] Trustee Rogers: of the Bains Sound Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum,

[1:44:22] Trustee Rogers: $3,000 to support the coordination

[1:44:24] Trustee Rogers: of the Coastal Douglas Fur Conservation Partnership

[1:44:28] Trustee Rogers: and $3,500 to support the coordination

[1:44:31] Trustee Rogers: of the Howe Sound Community Forum.

[1:44:33] Trustee Rogers: Could I ask, sorry,

[1:44:35] Trustee Rogers: I just asked, could that say Howe Sound Alcatraz?

[1:44:38] Trustee Rogers: And I'll send you the spelling of that

[1:44:40] Trustee Rogers: is that they're formally taking on the Squamish name

[1:44:43] Trustee Rogers: as part of the forum is Alcatraz.

[1:44:46] Trustee Morrison: And

[1:44:46] Trustee Rogers: it's a bit of an odd spelling,

[1:44:47] Trustee Rogers: so I'll send it to Robert.

[1:44:49] Trustee Morrison: Yes, so we hear that verbally.

[1:44:51] Trustee Morrison: We'll include it in the written motion as it goes forward.

[1:44:53] Trustee Morrison: forward. Can I have a seconder on that motion? Any further comment on this motion? I think

[1:45:05] Trustee Morrison: I have a comment. My comment is that while I do understand keeping within budget, I want

[1:45:13] Trustee Morrison: us to strongly reconsider that going forward and advocate hard next year for a bigger budget

[1:45:20] Trustee Morrison: for this program because these types of projects and actually even developing them, as Trustee

[1:45:25] Trustee Morrison: Colburn said in other regions to make sure that they're more comprehensive across the trust I

[1:45:30] Trustee Morrison: think they are the spaces in which advocacy really works between elected officials and

[1:45:36] Trustee Morrison: local community organizations so okay any other comments or thoughts uh trustee Peterson yeah I

[1:45:46] Voice 8: just want to echo what you just said there because I think that we get a lot of um in terms of

[1:45:51] Voice 8: of the bang for the buck in terms of really working on the, you know, the mandate of the

[1:46:01] Voice 8: trust and really working with others and networking. And so I think it's really valuable

[1:46:09] Voice 8: and absolutely we should be advocating for more funding for next fiscal.

[1:46:14] Voice 8: go perfect

[1:46:16] Trustee Morrison: thank you um that thank you much and that goes is it el katsum first and then how sound

[1:46:24] Trustee Morrison: trustee rogers no

[1:46:25] Trustee Rogers: no it's the other way around okay they uh they it's referred to as how sound

[1:46:32] Trustee Rogers: el katsum forum so okay

[1:46:33] Trustee Morrison: um and so i'm gonna quote on the motion all those in favor oh

[1:46:42] Trustee Rogers: do you want

[1:46:43] Trustee Rogers: electronic electronic

[1:46:44] Trustee Morrison: hands thank you very much okay that's unanimous i believe um trustee fenton

[1:46:53] Trustee Morrison: is your hand up yeah okay all hands down please all right so that was unanimous put my hand down

[1:47:03] Trustee Morrison: okay um all right if we can have that second motion up um so the second motion is to do with

[1:47:12] Trustee Morrison: those hours. And as it stands right now, those hours would be distributed among Southern Gulf

[1:47:19] Trustee Morrison: Island Forum, Spain's ecosystem forum, and the rural islands economic forum, the ones that have

[1:47:26] Trustee Morrison: requested hours specifically, and that we would leave that to the discretion at the moment of the

[1:47:31] Trustee Morrison: staff is the sort of thought that I've been hearing. Is there any comments or changes on

[1:47:37] Trustee Morrison: that before somebody puts that motion forward okay um i think my only comment on that would be

[1:47:46] Trustee Morrison: just to consider the um like to really check in with those folks as you're considering that to

[1:47:54] Trustee Morrison: like make sure there's actual capacity to continue the work and depending on what hours are allocated

[1:47:58] Trustee Morrison: and and try to adjust that and let us know at the next meeting or when as you can thanks so much for

[1:48:04] Trustee Morrison: that can somebody make that motion for me please go

[1:48:10] Voice 20: ahead yeah uh

[1:48:13] Voice 8: i move that trust programs

[1:48:15] Voice 8: committee requests the director of trust area services to allocate a maximum of 70 hours of

[1:48:19] Voice 8: trust area services staff time for direct provision of us of secretariat services to support the

[1:48:26] Voice 8: southern gulf islands forum the bain sound lambert channel economic forum and the rural island

[1:48:31] Voice 8: the economic forum um

[1:48:33] Trustee Morrison: and it's ecosystem just to be clear it's the bain sound number challenges

[1:48:37] Trustee Morrison: system forum oh

[1:48:38] Voice 7: oh that's sorry no misread um

[1:48:41] Trustee Morrison: can i have a seconder on that um trustee fenton

[1:48:47] Trustee Morrison: okay so moved by trustee peterson seconded by c fenton okay any further comments on this

[1:48:55] Trustee Morrison: uh trustee langrace all

[1:48:58] Voice 2: right so this is just subject to the reporting back this this decision

[1:49:03] Voice 2: is subject to reporting back to the next meeting for confirmation or it's just I'm just trying to

[1:49:11] Voice 2: understand the relationship between the reporting at the next meeting versus this motion so the

[1:49:17] Trustee Morrison: reporting at the next meeting as I understand it and clear please clarify the reporting at the

[1:49:21] Trustee Morrison: meeting is really for trust area services to say how they will allocate these hours roughly given

[1:49:28] Trustee Morrison: what's needed for these different projects but we are giving them some of those go ahead to spend

[1:49:33] Trustee Morrison: to spend those hours in this way.

[1:49:37] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Fenton.

[1:49:41] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, just, and again, I think the important part of this

[1:49:44] Trustee Fenton: is we need to understand what the reality might be

[1:49:47] Trustee Fenton: and sort of looking forward

[1:49:49] Trustee Fenton: to what you're suggesting next year.

[1:49:51] Trustee Fenton: So looking at what this year's reality is,

[1:49:55] Trustee Fenton: and then maybe what we should be looking forward to

[1:49:58] Trustee Fenton: as regards to hours as well as money

[1:50:02] Trustee Fenton: for increasing budget and time given.

[1:50:06] Trustee Fenton: And yeah, just a new understanding, a fresh look at all of this for next year's budget.

[1:50:12] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, you know, it would be actually a really good idea if we can maybe put it on the agenda

[1:50:17] Trustee Morrison: in September or August or something for us to loop back and actually survey the groups

[1:50:23] Trustee Morrison: that have had past secretariat support.

[1:50:26] Trustee Morrison: And as we're coming out of COVID, the costs might be changing.

[1:50:30] Trustee Morrison: So it would be helpful to have an idea before we're firmly into our budget cycle so that

[1:50:35] Trustee Morrison: know what that might be instead of waiting for them to apply later and then like not having enough

[1:50:40] Trustee Morrison: funding so to try and be a little proactive on that stance i

[1:50:45] Voice 10: meant just after this motion that

[1:50:47] Voice 10: you contemplate making a motion to that effect that

[1:50:49] Trustee Morrison: would be great yeah okay any further

[1:50:51] Trustee Morrison: conversation on this motion all right all those in favor do you want to just wave your hand in

[1:51:07] Trustee Morrison: the air dan are you in favor okay good okay so all right no worries uh hands down that's unanimous

[1:51:13] Trustee Morrison: that's passed um so would somebody like to make a motion for that last piece um that we

[1:51:21] Trustee Morrison: we talked which is basically about the idea that um trust programs committee um uh seek

[1:51:30] Trustee Morrison: advance notice from existing funded secretaries folks in advance of the next budget year for

[1:51:40] Trustee Morrison: possible support i don't know what exactly it would sound like anybody want to try that one

[1:51:53] Trustee Morrison: uh uh doug yeah

[1:51:56] Trustee Fenton: just thinking about how do we frame in or should we in this frame in the whole

[1:52:00] Trustee Fenton: motion of us looking at applications filters you know um at the same time yeah

[1:52:11] Trustee Morrison: that might be a

[1:52:12] Trustee Morrison: separate motion but that i i think i'd like to keep that as a separate piece because i think

[1:52:16] Trustee Morrison: it's slightly different if we can um and and there's a challenge because we're not necessarily

[1:52:22] Trustee Morrison: necessarily saying we're going to fund everybody that we funded before we want to make sure that

[1:52:25] Trustee Morrison: other people have a chance to apply but we do want to get a reality check on like at least what

[1:52:30] Trustee Morrison: people are thinking about as they go come out of covid and budget so we can plan ahead of it

[1:52:37] Trustee Morrison: um anybody have an idea or not okay i'm going to try and do it and just see if it

[1:52:43] Voice 20: makes sense

[1:52:43] Voice 20: or tim do you have one you're muted but i feel like you have

[1:52:50] Trustee Morrison: one you look very i'm i'm just

[1:52:54] Voice 8: type in and out i'm almost there okay

[1:52:56] Trustee Morrison: we'll wait for a second and doug if you want to think through

[1:53:03] Trustee Morrison: what that might sound like as a motion too because that seems like another piece that we should

[1:53:07] Trustee Morrison: put on the table okay

[1:53:22] Voice 8: let's try this um i moved that tpc request staff to consult with groups

[1:53:29] Voice 8: receiving secretariat services and report back for the august or september meeting and i realize now

[1:53:35] Voice 8: now that I should have added and report back

[1:53:39] Voice 8: on their requests for next fiscal.

[1:53:43] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, report back on future funding needs.

[1:53:46] Voice 8: Oh, future funding needs, yeah.

[1:53:48] Voice 8: Happy to work with that.

[1:53:53] Trustee Morrison: Oh, I see, I'm not the only one in the sunshine.

[1:53:59] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[1:54:00] Trustee Morrison: Can

[1:54:00] Trustee Rogers: you make that a little bigger?

[1:54:01] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, my bad eyes, I can't really see it.

[1:54:05] Trustee Morrison: Perfect. Thank you.

[1:54:06] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:54:09] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can you read that one more time, Trustee Peterson?

[1:54:11] Trustee Morrison: Yeah,

[1:54:14] Voice 8: that Trust Programs Committee requests staff to consult with groups receiving secretariat

[1:54:20] Voice 8: services and report back on future funding needs for the August or September meeting.

[1:54:26] Voice 10: Chair Morrison, can I ask a question? There is one coordination group that we're not yet

[1:54:30] Voice 10: supporting, the Saanich Inlet Network, that we haven't, so I would likely also seek your consent

[1:54:37] Voice 10: to check in with them um we haven't yet into

[1:54:40] Voice 10: that space yeah how

[1:54:41] Voice 8: about we trade how about we change

[1:54:44] Voice 8: um uh receiving to requesting that would cover it yeah

[1:54:52] Trustee Morrison: that would help yeah thank you yeah that's

[1:54:54] Trustee Morrison: perfect yeah i like that better too because then that's other possible groups to start to pop up

[1:54:58] Trustee Morrison: too okay can i get a seconder before

[1:55:05] Trustee Rogers: i second before it's seconded can i suggest that be the

[1:55:09] Trustee Rogers: the october meeting i don't see a september meeting but i see one in october do

[1:55:14] Trustee Morrison: we have an

[1:55:15] Trustee Morrison: august meeting well

[1:55:16] Trustee Rogers: we do but i'm wondering if that might be a bit a bit early in the budget

[1:55:20] Trustee Rogers: cycle for that well it's

[1:55:23] Trustee Morrison: not really that early in the budget cycle that's the issue yeah i think

[1:55:27] Trustee Morrison: it's better to do the august meeting so for the um just and i know it's going to be very preliminary

[1:55:32] Trustee Morrison: for people but at least it gives us some kind of range to work for we can always refine it as we

[1:55:38] Trustee Morrison: we get toward October, November,

[1:55:40] Trustee Morrison: but at least we have them on the radar.

[1:55:44] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can I get a seconder?

[1:55:46] Trustee Morrison: Okay, seconder Dan.

[1:55:48] Trustee Morrison: All right, any comments or questions on that?

[1:55:55] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Langeres?

[1:56:01] Trustee Morrison: Oh, you're muted.

[1:56:05] Voice 2: What we're asking, we're gonna be contacting them

[1:56:08] Voice 2: it's over the summer as to their future requests.

[1:56:12] Voice 2: And I guess we'll be asking others over

[1:56:15] Voice 2: And that will be, well, they have an idea as to how much they may be wanting to request, or are we potentially asking them, is there going to be, there may be more funding available or not?

[1:56:29] Voice 2: Like, I'm not sure what the constraints are.

[1:56:31] Voice 2: Like, is it just an open-ended question?

[1:56:33] Voice 2: What would you need next year?

[1:56:37] Voice 2: And just a little nervous about that.

[1:56:39] Voice 2: Setting up expectations that there may be more money.

[1:56:42] Voice 2: There may well be, but we don't know that at this point in time.

[1:56:46] Voice 2: the other one is what i guess i'm thinking i'm probably a little bit thinking about the other

[1:56:52] Voice 2: idea of how effective was it and i think that's a critical question to ask them you know like

[1:56:59] Voice 2: follow up with them on what actually um how did it how did it work with this process so

[1:57:05] Voice 2: anyway that was just my on this motion that's just my one thought no

[1:57:10] Trustee Morrison: that's super helpful and

[1:57:11] Trustee Morrison: actually the the issue of effectiveness i would like to try and think about some way that we

[1:57:16] Trustee Morrison: build that into the program in the future of like some kind of reporting mechanism that they have to

[1:57:20] Trustee Morrison: report back to get an additional file. I would really like that as we go through and to Doug's

[1:57:26] Trustee Morrison: earlier comment as a potential other motion to put forward of like just modifying some of our

[1:57:31] Trustee Morrison: guidelines so that they have to report back so we actually can build on something. And then the

[1:57:37] Trustee Morrison: point that you had, for me, I think it's a very preliminary conversation that staff would have

[1:57:44] Trustee Morrison: with no kind of obligation or statement about what is possible, but just to help us start

[1:57:51] Trustee Morrison: scoping out why we might want to, like some grounding for us to be able to ask for an

[1:57:56] Trustee Morrison: increase in this program for the budget if we want to, but no commitment that there would be

[1:58:00] Trustee Morrison: additional funding. Tim?

[1:58:05] Voice 8: Yeah, I was just looking at this and just thinking that maybe instead of

[1:58:09] Voice 8: of saying maybe we should just eliminate funding

[1:58:14] Voice 8: because some of it is just a requesting in-kind support.

[1:58:21] Voice 8: And maybe it would just be future,

[1:58:23] Voice 8: maybe instead of funding needs,

[1:58:25] Voice 8: maybe it would just be future requests.

[1:58:30] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, that's okay.

[1:58:31] Trustee Morrison: Is that okay?

[1:58:31] Trustee Morrison: I

[1:58:31] Voice 8: don't know what everyone thinks about that.

[1:58:33] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, Dan, is that okay if we alter that?

[1:58:37] Trustee Morrison: Okay, I know we have this issue about motions.

[1:58:39] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Fenton.

[1:58:40] Trustee Morrison: Yeah,

[1:58:41] Trustee Fenton: I'm just thinking, what about the efficacy of, report back on the efficacy of the funding provided or the current, you know, funding or time?

[1:58:54] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and I think that's the piece that I think that you had already that I think we should add an additional motion about, like to actually get some reporting requirements in.

[1:59:02] Trustee Morrison: so i

[1:59:03] Trustee Fenton: mean efficacy of what we're doing now or is it worth like are they going to talk about

[1:59:08] Trustee Fenton: the money in this question really it's about how effective are they happy with the services

[1:59:15] Trustee Fenton: provided yeah

[1:59:17] Trustee Morrison: and and i i think that that's important but i think it might not be to this

[1:59:23] Trustee Morrison: motion i i think we need to also ask for that because this one is actually just about budget

[1:59:28] Trustee Morrison: planning going forward um not necessarily about and and we will also need for budget decision

[1:59:35] Trustee Morrison: making the efficacy but i feel like they're two pieces i just don't want to conflate them in the

[1:59:40] Trustee Morrison: motion um but i want that motion on the table too in a second so um let's come back to that for a

[1:59:49] Trustee Morrison: second trustee peterson yeah

[1:59:53] Voice 8: just a doug's point there i think also timing wise i think we'd want

[1:59:58] Voice 8: um, uh, feed.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: back from those groups um you know a little bit later than than august as far as that what was

[2:00:09] Voice 8: it effective and for us to be able to do some analysis on that i think the timing of that is

[2:00:14] Voice 8: later as well and that's why i don't think it fits within in within this motion should be a separate

[2:00:20] Voice 8: motion um i mean i think it would be great before we're making our decision next year

[2:00:26] Voice 8: uh on on allocating secretariat services i think it'd be great to have some feedback from those

[2:00:31] Voice 8: groups great for us to have some type of analysis um to look at but i i that that timeline of august

[2:00:41] Voice 8: is is not the appropriate i think that's too soon for that information to come back for us

[2:00:47] Voice 8: uh and so yeah i think it should be different motion i'm

[2:00:53] Trustee Morrison: gonna call the vote on this one and

[2:00:54] Trustee Morrison: And then I really do want to get something on the table about reporting, though, because I do think that is a really good point and really helpful.

[2:01:02] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can I have all those in favor with the motion on the table?

[2:01:16] Trustee Morrison: Okay, hands down, please.

[2:01:18] Trustee Morrison: That's unanimous.

[2:01:22] Trustee Morrison: Okay, and Doug, if we can try and name this, it would be that the Trust Programs Committee request staff.

[2:01:37] Trustee Fenton: to review current criteria and provide feedback

[2:01:41] Trustee Fenton: slash suggestions on criteria for future applications.

[2:01:46] Trustee Fenton: Okay,

[2:01:46] Trustee Morrison: so that's one and then there's another one too then.

[2:01:49] Trustee Morrison: So we'll try and get both of these.

[2:01:51] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead and repeat that.

[2:01:52] Trustee Fenton: So I'm with the Trust Programs Committee

[2:01:56] Trustee Fenton: as staff to review current criteria,

[2:01:59] Trustee Fenton: provide feedback suggestions on criteria

[2:02:02] Trustee Fenton: for future applications for-

[2:02:05] Trustee Fenton: Oh,

[2:02:05] Trustee Morrison: it's for a second. We're letting Robert catch up here.

[2:02:08] Voice 12: Sorry, it was going too fast. I can't follow. And also, Chair, if you wouldn't mind declaring whether the previous motion was carried or

[2:02:18] Voice 12: defeated, the public cannot

[2:02:20] Voice 12: watch or see voting.

[2:02:22] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, it was carried unanimously.

[2:02:27] Voice 12: And then if I could ask Trustee Fenton to start reading again, but if you could do a little bit slower, I'd appreciate that. Thank you.

[2:02:35] Voice 12: So

[2:02:36] Trustee Fenton: your trust programs request staff to review current criteria and provide feedback or suggestions on criteria.

[2:02:49] Trustee Morrison: Pause, pause. To provide feedback or suggestions. So to provide feedback or suggestions.

[2:02:59] Voice 12: Sorry, I was just doing it verbatim, but you want to do some editing here?

[2:03:03] Voice 12: so yeah

[2:03:04] Trustee Morrison: he just he said to provide feedback or suggestions thank

[2:03:12] Voice 20: you uh

[2:03:15] Trustee Morrison: for criteria go ahead

[2:03:17] Trustee Morrison: doug or

[2:03:19] Trustee Fenton: criteria for for future applications

[2:03:27] Trustee Morrison: any comments on that motion so i'm going to just read it out here that trust programs

[2:03:39] Trustee Morrison: committee request app to review current criteria and to provide feedback or suggestions

[2:03:43] Trustee Morrison: for future applications.

[2:03:46] Trustee Morrison: This just helps us with some of the challenges

[2:03:48] Trustee Morrison: we face this year on which to include

[2:03:50] Trustee Morrison: or which not to include.

[2:03:52] Trustee Fenton: Should we state secretariat services applications?

[2:03:58] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, we should.

[2:04:00] Trustee Morrison: Future secretariat services applications, yeah.

[2:04:04] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so can I get a second on that potentially?

[2:04:07] Trustee Morrison: And then we can talk on it.

[2:04:10] Trustee Morrison: Can I get a seconder?

[2:04:13] Trustee Morrison: Okay, trust me.

[2:04:15] Trustee Morrison: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Any comments or thoughts on this trusty language.

[2:04:19] Voice 2: HAB-Danny Teodoru- Yeah, just that term criteria. Are we talking about eligibility criteria and and just not sure what the criteria or is it clear what we're referring to in Christ when we use the term criteria.

[2:04:34] Voice 2: HAB-Danny Teodoru- The

[2:04:35] Voice 2: allocation of dollars and hours or is it our process.

[2:04:43] Trustee Morrison: I think the thing that came up this year if I'm correct about this and Doug weigh in on this too

[2:04:48] Trustee Morrison: but was the little bit of like having a more application process too like that like having

[2:04:54] Trustee Morrison: a form that was a little bit clearer so that everybody submitted the same thing because we did

[2:04:59] Trustee Morrison: and we had things a little bit from different people so that might help. Doug did you want

[2:05:03] Trustee Morrison: to add any clarity and then Dan?

[2:05:05] Trustee Fenton: I'm just remembering the conversation was around

[2:05:08] Trustee Fenton: And sort of how long, you know, are we picking people that are new and floundering and need help?

[2:05:13] Trustee Fenton: Are we looking at people who have been established and are ongoing?

[2:05:18] Trustee Fenton: You know, we have to sort of get our heads around what our foundation of this process is and where we want to take it if we want to make change now, moving forward.

[2:05:34] Trustee Morrison: All right, Dan?

[2:05:36] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I think that's a good discussion going forward.

[2:05:39] Trustee Rogers: I also, I sort of imagine as this program evolves, that we'll end up in a place like we do with the Community Stewardship Awards, where we have a series of checkmarks, sort of benchmarks that we look at the nominates for various of the Community Stewardship Awards.

[2:06:03] Trustee Rogers: and sort of say, is it a, sorry?

[2:06:06] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, no, I agree.

[2:06:08] Trustee Morrison: Yeah,

[2:06:08] Trustee Rogers: so that's where I see this evolving eventually

[2:06:10] Trustee Rogers: is except it may take a few years, we'll get there.

[2:06:16] Trustee Morrison: Tim?

[2:06:20] Voice 8: Yeah, thanks.

[2:06:22] Voice 8: I'm just, maybe I'm not remembering correctly,

[2:06:25] Voice 8: but for some reason I feel like when we mentioned criteria

[2:06:30] Voice 8: at a previous meeting in relation to secretariat services,

[2:06:33] Voice 8: there was some concern about how we set that up

[2:06:39] Voice 8: because the concern was that it's not,

[2:06:42] Voice 8: this isn't a granting situation

[2:06:46] Voice 8: and that we just need to be mindful

[2:06:52] Voice 8: of how we're setting out the criteria

[2:06:54] Voice 8: so that, struggling for words here,

[2:07:00] Voice 8: is that we're not sort of setting expectations.

[2:07:03] Voice 8: Like if you meet the criteria,

[2:07:04] Voice 8: you automatically um are awarded funding and stuff so we just i just wanted that was just

[2:07:12] Voice 8: twinking in the back of my brain i just wanted to flag that for thought uh

[2:07:17] Trustee Morrison: claire did you want to

[2:07:18] Trustee Morrison: comment on that sure yeah so

[2:07:20] Voice 10: in your current policy which is on page sort of 14 15 of your

[2:07:24] Voice 10: package um you'll note there is no criteria it is that you know that they'd be a coordination group

[2:07:30] Voice 10: and then there's a policy providing the services which essentially the only sort of indication you

[2:07:35] Voice 10: have is to decision making is prioritizing support for groups that work collaboratively and

[2:07:39] Voice 10: respectfully with first nation governments and indigenous peoples so other than that you are

[2:07:43] Voice 10: really left to your own devices as you found in this in this meeting certainly we do want to be

[2:07:49] Voice 10: cautious that this is not a granting program it is you know it is that it is a political

[2:07:53] Voice 10: you know decision around how you wish to allocate support and that likely will change year to year

[2:07:58] Voice 10: as different opportunities arise and as you say different groups mature and find other streams

[2:08:03] Voice 10: of funding certainly I can provide a staff report back with some suggestions around how that might

[2:08:09] Voice 10: help your decision making and how we might form you know move forward in formalizing the program

[2:08:12] Voice 10: now it's sort of finding its feet so I'm happy I mean I'm happy to work within the resolution as

[2:08:18] Voice 10: it's presented and can give you some suggestions at your next meeting okay

[2:08:22] Trustee Morrison: if you're okay with the

[2:08:23] Trustee Morrison: resolution as it's presented then I think we're okay to go ahead understanding that it's policy

[2:08:28] Trustee Morrison: sort of potential policy suggestions that we're gonna get for this. Dan is

[2:08:35] Trustee Morrison: that a hand still up or is that a new hand and still up? Okay so I'm gonna go

[2:08:45] Trustee Morrison: ahead and call the vote on the motion on the table that the Trust Programs

[2:08:48] Trustee Morrison: Committee requests staff to review current criterion to provide feedback or

[2:08:52] Trustee Morrison: suggestions for criteria for future Secretariat services applications. All

[2:08:56] Trustee Morrison: those in favor? Okay hands down please. Thank you and that carried.

[2:09:06] Trustee Morrison: read unanimously. So no need to go to the other side. All right. Um, I think that also covers my

[2:09:16] Trustee Morrison: concern from the earlier comment by trustee Fenton, because it's a policy that we'll actually

[2:09:22] Trustee Morrison: get some feedback on some of the, um, reporting potentially that like possible reporting, um,

[2:09:28] Trustee Morrison: around efficiency and, uh, or efficacy of the efforts. Um, so that'd be great. Um, trustee

[2:09:34] Trustee Morrison: peterson yeah

[2:09:39] Voice 8: thanks i i sent uh robert uh a motion that i'd like to propose as far as um

[2:09:48] Voice 8: getting uh some information back on the impacts and benefits

[2:09:52] Voice 8: of the services yeah okay go ahead

[2:09:55] Voice 8: in the chat too so i'll just go ahead and

[2:09:57] Voice 8: read it uh i move that uh trust programs committee

[2:10:00] Voice 8: request staff to engage with groups receiving secretariat service services on the impacts

[2:10:05] Voice 8: tax benefits of those services and report back prior to the allocation of secretariat services

[2:10:11] Voice 8: for fiscal 21-22.

[2:10:14] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Can I have a second on that? Dan? Okay. Any comments or questions on

[2:10:22] Trustee Morrison: this? This actually gets at the efficacy for this year before we have any changes. So that's great

[2:10:25] Trustee Morrison: to have that on the table. Any questions or comments? Trustee Langeres? Oh, you're muted.

[2:10:36] Trustee Morrison: I keep wanting to say sweetie. So I really apologize in advance if I call anybody sweetie

[2:10:40] Trustee Morrison: need today are

[2:10:42] Voice 2: we are in fiscal 21 22 right oh

[2:10:47] Trustee Morrison: uh no we're in fiscal 2021 no we are in 21 22 aren't

[2:10:51] Trustee Morrison: we so

[2:10:52] Voice 2: this should be 22 uh 23

[2:10:55] Trustee Morrison: yeah yeah we'll go ahead and amend that

[2:10:58] Voice 2: amendment yeah yeah

[2:11:00] Trustee Morrison: okay

[2:11:01] Trustee Morrison: thank you for catching that trustee members otherwise that's really rapid reporting all right

[2:11:06] Trustee Morrison: All right, can I go ahead and call the vote?

[2:11:10] Trustee Morrison: All those in favor?

[2:11:12] Trustee Morrison: Like voting machines day.

[2:11:18] Trustee Morrison: All right, that carries unanimously.

[2:11:21] Trustee Morrison: Thank you, hands down.

[2:11:24] Trustee Morrison: Okay, any further motions that we're wanting to make

[2:11:29] Trustee Morrison: on this item of Secretariat Services?

[2:11:35] Trustee Morrison: All right, I'm gonna move us along then.

[2:11:38] Trustee Morrison: Thank you all for playing, that's helpful

[2:11:40] Trustee Morrison: and for great discussion and thinking about this.

[2:11:44] Trustee Morrison: We're going to move along to 9, and I'm just going to take a moment and welcome a few other folks that popped in here.

[2:11:51] Trustee Morrison: So welcome, Chair Luckum, CO Hotzenpiller, and I feel like there's somebody else.

[2:12:00] Trustee Morrison: Oh, I think Director Marler, I don't know if we caught you earlier.

[2:12:05] Trustee Morrison: So welcome to our meeting. And did you catch Lisa as well?

[2:12:10] Trustee Morrison: pardon did

[2:12:12] Trustee Luckham: you catch lisa as well oh

[2:12:13] Trustee Morrison: yes lisa's back as well welcome lisa um all right so we are

[2:12:20] Trustee Morrison: on item 9.1 the annual report um i do want to acknowledge that it's 11 15 and it's been a

[2:12:30] Trustee Morrison: solid hour and 15 minutes since we had any movement so i would like to give us a three

[2:12:35] Trustee Morrison: three minute moment before we start this to go and warm up our coffee or just get up and move

[2:12:41] Trustee Morrison: for a second. Okay, so three minutes, coming back at like, call 1117. In your chairs, starting at

[2:12:50] Trustee Morrison: 1117. Thank you.

[2:15:05] Voice 20: My friendly woodpecker is

[2:15:06] Trustee Morrison: back. So you'll hear him, he usually ends up up here.

[2:15:11] Trustee Morrison: and he is uh very brave on our gutters because we live on a lake and it echoes out over the lake

[2:15:22] Trustee Morrison: so we have a very frisky woodpecker on our house it's

[2:15:44] Voice 18: not one of those fallow woodpeckers though

[2:15:49] Trustee Morrison: that's on maine yeah

[2:15:51] Voice 18: you don't want to get them love you don't want the word

[2:15:53] Voice 18: fallow in front of anything to do with that's a bad i'm not

[2:15:57] Voice 18: fallow yeah we

[2:15:59] Trustee Morrison: actually as you

[2:16:00] Trustee Morrison: might notice i have a different background i'm in a different room recently and out in front of me

[2:16:06] Trustee Morrison: now is all the forest and so the woodpeckers are out on the cedar here sometimes yeah um

[2:16:11] Trustee Morrison: so i get

[2:16:12] Trustee Morrison: this whole show looks like jumping around from tree to tree it's pretty cool all right so if

[2:16:21] Trustee Morrison: if your camera is off, either raise your hand that you're back or turn your camera on. That

[2:16:26] Trustee Morrison: would be super helpful.

[2:16:43] Voice 20: So anybody

[2:16:49] Trustee Morrison: who's back, make sure you do your cameras on or your hands

[2:16:52] Trustee Morrison: up. So I know you're back. Oh, there we go. Thank you so much. I got you. You can take your hand

[2:16:59] Trustee Morrison: down now. Thank you. I need one more person to check in. So Critchley, Kale are Langerice and

[2:17:13] Trustee Morrison: then we can go ahead and start. You know, Dan, I cannot get those backgrounds working on my

[2:17:22] Trustee Morrison: machine I don't need to necessarily but it's kind of fun to put random backgrounds behind you

[2:17:26] Trustee Morrison: but I have an older operating system and it won't do those backgrounds like I'm assuming actually

[2:17:35] Trustee Morrison: chair Luckman that that's a background on you too or you're sitting outside in a very still day

[2:17:39] Trustee Morrison: oh there we go Jesse Langeris and Kelly all right let's go ahead and start again we're on a 9.1

[2:17:47] Trustee Morrison: page 26 of your package um Claire do you want to lead into this yeah go ahead yeah

[2:17:53] Voice 10: sure thank you

[2:17:54] Voice 10: Thank you, Chair. My apologies to the committee. It seems I inadvertently left your request for decision off this item, but it's a very cursory one anyway, and I've provided the motion to the Chair and to Robert Barlow, which would be to forward it to Trust Council.

[2:18:06] Voice 10: But this is your proposed annual report submission for the annual report this year, outlining the highlights of what happened last fiscal year.

[2:18:14] Voice 10: So happy to take requests for edits or changes and then my recommendation is that you forward this to Trust Council.

[2:18:19] Voice 10: and there's a as I say I can ask at that point we could ask Robert Barlow to bring a motion on screen

[2:18:24] Voice 10: all

[2:18:25] Trustee Morrison: right any comments or questions and if I can have folks be very specific if they have a change

[2:18:32] Trustee Morrison: um that they'd like to make or a comment trustee Critchley thank

[2:18:38] Trustee Critchley: you um there was a note about

[2:18:40] Trustee Critchley: nine meetings of trust programs committee and I'm wondering was that inclusive of the subgroups

[2:18:47] Trustee Critchley: that we had no

[2:18:49] Voice 10: those those working group meetings were not counted as they're not so i'm wondering

[2:18:54] Trustee Critchley: if the

[2:18:54] Voice 10: committee i'm

[2:18:57] Trustee Critchley: wondering if there should be some accounting of those to show our level

[2:19:01] Trustee Critchley: of activity okay

[2:19:03] Trustee Morrison: certainly we could add that that'd be great even just that there was like

[2:19:07] Trustee Morrison: numerous working group meetings as a more general statement might be great thank you trustee

[2:19:13] Trustee Morrison: christie trustee rogers i would love to hear you but it's very hard when you're muted i i thought

[2:19:22] Trustee Rogers: I hit it um so I see Alex trustee Allen on the list of folks and I didn't understand him to be

[2:19:32] Trustee Rogers: on this yeah

[2:19:32] Voice 10: that was a save as it's interesting I'll have to look back at last year yeah I will

[2:19:36] Voice 10: correct that thanks

[2:19:38] Trustee Morrison: thank you any other questions are coming all right can I have the motion in

[2:19:54] Trustee Morrison: front of me oh wait was it in front of me no it was at the top oh no it was okay perfect thank

[2:20:04] Trustee Morrison: Thank you so much.

[2:20:04] Trustee Morrison: And so if we can just say approve the attached text

[2:20:09] Trustee Morrison: as amended for inclusion.

[2:20:14] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can I have someone make this motion?

[2:20:19] Trustee Morrison: I'm gonna suggest trustee Langrace, oh.

[2:20:26] Trustee Rogers: Happy to let, go ahead Casey.

[2:20:28] Voice 2: Okay, okay.

[2:20:29] Voice 2: I move that trust programs committee approve

[2:20:32] Voice 2: the attached text as amended for inclusion

[2:20:34] Voice 2: in the 2020-2021 annual report for approval

[2:20:41] Voice 2: who would like press counsel and submission to the minister of municipal affairs thank you and

[2:20:47] Trustee Morrison: can i just confirm that it is actually the 2020 and 2021 and yeah it is okay um all right can i

[2:20:54] Trustee Morrison: have a second on that um that was funny russ waved his hand i'm like you know second russ

[2:21:02] Trustee Morrison: um we'll have trustee fenton second um all right any further questions or comments on this

[2:21:09] Trustee Morrison: all those in favor please raise your digital hands okay that is carried unanimously hands down please

[2:21:26] Trustee Morrison: thank you all right so now we are on page 28 on item 9.2 it is the policy statement amendment

[2:21:39] Trustee Morrison: project feedback on the first draft and is um delaney or claire gonna walk us through this

[2:21:45] Trustee Morrison: I think I'll hand the stage to Delaunay.

[2:21:47] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[2:21:49] Voice 17: Claire, thank you, Chair Morrison.

[2:21:52] Voice 17: So we are meeting for the second time this month to discuss the update of the policy statement bylaw.

[2:22:01] Voice 17: At our last meeting on May 3rd, we presented you with the first draft along with some rationale

[2:22:06] Voice 17: and invited trustees to provide written feedback for you to consider today.

[2:22:12] Voice 17: day. So looking at the briefing, I won't go over all the details, but we have sort of three desired

[2:22:18] Voice 17: outcomes from a staff perspective from today's meeting. The first is that at this time we're

[2:22:25] Voice 17: accepting, we're inviting feedback from committees as a whole. So after having considered the written

[2:22:33] Voice 17: feedback that's come in, we would invite you to suggest specific amendments that you'd like staff

[2:22:38] Voice 17: to make to the draft. Secondly, we've identified some new dates for a new special trust council

[2:22:46] Voice 17: meeting, as well as a potential date for first reading, which would be a new, sorry, a special

[2:22:54] Voice 17: trust council meeting for first reading. Those are June 15th and July 8th, respectively. And so

[2:23:02] Voice 17: So if there's agreement on those dates, they could be recommended to executive committee

[2:23:08] Voice 17: for consideration through a motion.

[2:23:10] Voice 17: And lastly, we would like your feedback on what materials should be provided in the trust

[2:23:18] Voice 17: council agenda package for the June, the regular June trust council meeting.

[2:23:22] Voice 17: Now that first reading has been postponed, we've identified some possible scenarios in

[2:23:31] Voice 17: in the briefing itself basically we have staff need to have the agenda materials prepared by

[2:23:40] Voice 17: next Tuesday so we don't have too much time to incorporate all the feedback that we've received

[2:23:44] Voice 17: to date so we would propose either not just providing an overview briefing and if you'd

[2:23:50] Voice 17: like to attach a briefing sorry a draft for the consideration of the broader trust council

[2:23:56] Voice 17: Council that could come in the way of the very first draft and we would note that feedback has

[2:24:02] Voice 17: been received and that staff are working on an iterative kind of approach to revisions so I think

[2:24:09] Voice 17: I'll just leave it there and pass it back to chair to give us some guidance on how to facilitate this

[2:24:17] Voice 17: discussion all

[2:24:20] Trustee Morrison: right so I do want to stress a couple things from our last meeting that I

[2:24:27] Trustee Morrison: I don't want to necessarily get into a deep hole

[2:24:30] Trustee Morrison: and I wanna make some decisions on.

[2:24:33] Trustee Morrison: So one piece is the timeline that was raised

[2:24:37] Trustee Morrison: of I think trustee Brent and I know

[2:24:41] Trustee Morrison: from reading trustee Kritchley's comments,

[2:24:43] Trustee Morrison: he's also raised it of process and the way

[2:24:47] Trustee Morrison: that we move forward and are able to ensure edits.

[2:24:51] Trustee Morrison: So we have a dilemma I think sometimes

[2:24:54] Trustee Morrison: in the way that the committees run

[2:24:55] Trustee Morrison: run relative to other deadlines in the trust and the preparation of packages for those meetings

[2:25:01] Trustee Morrison: that the date of the meeting is not what is the date that is dictating the prep it's the date of

[2:25:08] Trustee Morrison: the package created for the meeting and so um we should really be thinking about that that timeline

[2:25:17] Trustee Morrison: a little bit more deeply in our timeline planning because i think that is getting us a little bit

[2:25:21] Trustee Morrison: into trouble right now. Having said that, I see that we have a possible adjustment that's being

[2:25:30] Trustee Morrison: proposed to not include this in the June trust council meeting, give us an additional month

[2:25:35] Trustee Morrison: to be able to get that process moving in a way that we can really incorporate some feedback

[2:25:42] Trustee Morrison: feedback into more paced rounds, which I think is helpful.

[2:25:48] Trustee Morrison: I do want to caution on

[2:25:52] Trustee Morrison: a whole nother different kind of round

[2:25:55] Trustee Morrison: of public feedback before we have something substantive in front of people.

[2:25:59] Trustee Morrison: So that would be my one caution is I think it's very difficult to get into general

[2:26:03] Trustee Morrison: conversations without specifics in front of people, understanding that once things

[2:26:07] Trustee Morrison: are read into first read, there is that opportunity to provide

[2:26:11] Trustee Morrison: feedback and i would argue even substantive feedback on form is is available at that moment

[2:26:18] Trustee Morrison: but i i do hear some of the comments that i've seen come in okay in terms of handling this

[2:26:24] Trustee Morrison: conversation i think i would like to parse things into a broad discussion to begin with

[2:26:30] Trustee Morrison: that i would like to just go around you can pass if you don't want to say anything but i'd like to

[2:26:35] Trustee Morrison: do a full round of any kinds of comments that you have that are um let's see let's see what we need

[2:26:44] Trustee Morrison: in terms of decisions we need decisions about the time um and we need decisions about the general

[2:26:51] Trustee Morrison: approach that is going on in the current draft and then specific changes i'd like to save for a

[2:26:58] Trustee Morrison: second round of conversation so timeline and general approach first and um i think i would

[2:27:05] Trustee Morrison: like to just go through um we can take it by hands if you want to do that that's fine with me

[2:27:11] Trustee Morrison: um but i'd like to give everybody at least one chance to comment on those to begin with

[2:27:17] Trustee Morrison: um trustee critchley thank

[2:27:22] Trustee Critchley: you um i'd like to start by just uh advising staff who weren't present

[2:27:27] Trustee Critchley: early in the trust programs committee meeting and also I think trust chair Luckham that in fact I

[2:27:37] Trustee Critchley: did have comments written comments on the first draft which due to some unexplained computer

[2:27:44] Trustee Critchley: glitch did not reach the trust in the appointed time although I do have now found a sent email

[2:27:54] Trustee Critchley: mail registry showing that it was sent on the Sunday at 9 28 p.m strangely enough anyway that's

[2:28:02] Trustee Critchley: now being rectified and will be part of the revised or amended agenda package I gather

[2:28:10] Voice 3: what

[2:28:11] Trustee Critchley: I wanted to say about the process here and I started it off in actually in my written

[2:28:17] Trustee Critchley: submission was concern about a hurried process. And my concern that this is probably the most

[2:28:25] Trustee Critchley: important exercise that will be taken during our four-year term. The feedback I'm getting from

[2:28:36] Trustee Critchley: people on Denman Island is that there's a number of people who are very concerned about,

[2:28:42] Trustee Critchley: and these are people who are generally concerned about the trust they take a great deal of interest

[2:28:49] Trustee Critchley: in trust activities and some of them have written letters that are later on in this agenda

[2:28:58] Trustee Critchley: but overall i'm i'm sensing and it's not hundreds of people of course it's just a few but

[2:29:04] Trustee Critchley: it's a constant thing that there's concern to slow the process down and and i think that that is

[2:29:13] Trustee Critchley: required, because it does require so much thought and deliberation. I have to say, I was just

[2:29:20] Trustee Critchley: so pleased to see the amount of thought that has gone in to the written submissions by

[2:29:25] Trustee Critchley: the committee members that have put materials in, as well as people from executive committee.

[2:29:33] Trustee Critchley: And I see it as being a very difficult and challenging exercise to pull all these threads

[2:29:39] Trustee Critchley: together and be able to come up with some document that we as a committee can agree upon

[2:29:46] Trustee Critchley: to forward to Trust Council. So my first point is that in looking, well, let me say,

[2:29:54] Trustee Critchley: should it go to the next meeting of Trust Council? I would say definitely.

[2:30:00] Trustee Critchley: I don't see any point in doing that at all. And it would just add more paper for trustees to read

[2:30:08] Trustee Critchley: if we were putting any kind of first draft to them. That's a long standing irritation of mine

[2:30:17] Trustee Critchley: is getting a lot of paper that I really don't need to see. So I don't see that there's anything

[2:30:23] Trustee Critchley: meaningful could be accomplished at the June meeting of Trust Council with respect to this

[2:30:28] Trustee Critchley: topic. So let's not go there. The second point with regard to how we then proceed, which is

[2:30:36] Trustee Critchley: scenario one, has us with one special TPC meeting on June the 15th to consider a second draft.

[2:30:48] Trustee Critchley: That's fine with me, but I'm concerned that is it realistic that we are going to

[2:30:55] Trustee Critchley: agree on a second on a

[2:30:58] Trustee Critchley: draft at that meeting or is it more realistic to think that we would need

[2:31:02] Trustee Critchley: at least one more meeting within this committee to get things uh straightened out because you know

[2:31:10] Trustee Critchley: i don't favor six or eight hour meetings um on all this detail uh i'm going to be brain dead after a

[2:31:16] Trustee Critchley: couple of hours of of discussing this stuff so anyway those are my preliminary uh thoughts on

[2:31:22] Trustee Critchley: that thank you thank

[2:31:24] Trustee Morrison: you trustee peterson yeah

[2:31:29] Voice 8: thank you chair um yeah i'm also uh aware of the

[2:31:34] Voice 8: the uh concerns about the timeline and um for that reason i i'm in favor of scenario

[2:31:42] Voice 8: one that's proposed here um and uh uh just in relation to trustee critchley's last comment um

[2:31:54] Voice 8: I just point out that we do have a regularly scheduled meeting on the 25th of June, as well

[2:32:05] Voice 8: as the special meeting on the 15th. So I don't know if that gives him any, any comfort. But

[2:32:13] Voice 8: yeah, those are my questions

[2:32:15] Trustee Morrison: for the special meeting on the 5th, June 15. If the there is

[2:32:25] Trustee Morrison: the i see that the special trust council agenda packet wouldn't have to be sent out on june 25th

[2:32:32] Trustee Morrison: so my understanding would be that there couldn't be anything done at that june 25th meeting that

[2:32:36] Trustee Morrison: would impact the package is that my understanding um

[2:32:40] Voice 17: well partly the issue is that executive

[2:32:44] Voice 17: committee would need to approve the final package going to the special trust council meeting and

[2:32:49] Voice 17: And their meeting is on the 23rd.

[2:32:53] Voice 17: So, and we also have to keep in mind that the trustees who are not part of the committees who haven't seen a draft of this already would need more than a week, you know, to review the document before first reading.

[2:33:06] Voice 17: So we've allocated, I think it's about 10 days before the meeting.

[2:33:13] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so that's good clarification.

[2:33:15] Trustee Morrison: So if we would like another working meeting, it has to be before June 23rd and potentially before that even.

[2:33:24] Trustee Morrison: Before the 18th, because that's when the executive committee package goes out.

[2:33:27] Trustee Morrison: So before June 18th.

[2:33:30] Trustee Morrison: So just to be aware of that.

[2:33:32] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[2:33:33] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[2:33:34] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to keep going around here.

[2:33:37] Trustee Morrison: So I haven't heard from Rogers, Fenton, Langer, Kaylee, or Colburn.

[2:33:41] Trustee Morrison: Do you have comments or thoughts on the broad approach

[2:33:44] Trustee Morrison: or the timeline?

[2:33:51] Trustee Morrison: Rogers.

[2:33:55] Trustee Rogers: So first of all,

[2:33:58] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that there is some sentiment coming in

[2:34:03] Trustee Rogers: from the public to slow this process down,

[2:34:06] Trustee Rogers: but I think it doesn't necessarily recognize the fact

[2:34:10] Trustee Rogers: that we've been in at this for a couple of years

[2:34:13] Trustee Rogers: and there's been a tremendous amount of public engagement

[2:34:15] Trustee Rogers: in the preparation.

[2:34:16] Trustee Rogers: As I think to reiterate what you said, Chair Morrison,

[2:34:22] Trustee Rogers: we're sort of what I consider to be an interim process.

[2:34:25] Trustee Rogers: We had public consultation here,

[2:34:27] Trustee Rogers: we're gonna have public consultation after,

[2:34:30] Trustee Rogers: and we're in our internal process

[2:34:33] Trustee Rogers: to try and get a document that the public can weigh in on.

[2:34:38] Trustee Rogers: And so I really think it's about our timeline,

[2:34:42] Trustee Rogers: not about, because the public will have an opportunity,

[2:34:44] Trustee Rogers: The communities will have a lot of opportunity to weigh in after we hopefully have a document that we can take out to them after giving it first reading.

[2:34:54] Trustee Rogers: So that's one thing I wanted to say.

[2:34:58] Trustee Rogers: Secondly is I would really urge we not try and have a second special meeting.

[2:35:13] Trustee Rogers: There's a lot of meetings.

[2:35:15] Trustee Rogers: meetings it'll be almost it's it's there's a lot of prep involved in this we're already getting

[2:35:20] Trustee Rogers: issues with with lots of meetings uh you know in continual meeting really burning out the um

[2:35:27] Trustee Rogers: the administration of the organization we've got a new meeting on June proposed meeting on June 15th

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: I think we're going to have to try to find a way to do that or if we don't think we can do it in

[2:35:38] Trustee Rogers: that time frame I think we gotta we have to move the special trust council or suggest a special

[2:35:44] Trustee Rogers: It'd be moved out farther. I don't know that we're going to come to a total consensus at Trust Programs Committee necessarily on everything.

[2:35:57] Trustee Rogers: And I think the challenge for us is going to be to find something to send to Trust Council that they can discuss and hopefully come to an agreement on.

[2:36:10] Trustee Rogers: I mean the challenge is going to be how do you vote on on a document uh there are some points

[2:36:17] Trustee Rogers: that are disagreed about so I think we I favor scenario one I think we can do it but I really

[2:36:24] Trustee Rogers: would not favor a second special trust council trust programs committee meeting all right and

[2:36:33] Trustee Morrison: as I can go around if I can ask people to um sort of weigh in on each of those things but to not

[2:36:40] Trustee Morrison: necessarily repeat any comments others have said so that we can be as maximum efficiency on using

[2:36:47] Trustee Morrison: this meeting so uh trustee kaylee yeah

[2:36:50] Voice 5: well just for maximum efficiency i'd just like to endorse

[2:36:53] Voice 5: everything that trustee critchley said in terms of time the value of time and the length of time

[2:36:59] Voice 5: needed for this process thank you great

[2:37:03] Trustee Morrison: any else i have trustee fenton langrise and colburn who

[2:37:07] Trustee Morrison: haven't commented. I

[2:37:10] Trustee Colbourne: am a hundred percent against slowing this down because it's not going fast.

[2:37:19] Trustee Colbourne: It's going at the rate that we've said and we communicate with First Nations, we communicate

[2:37:22] Trustee Colbourne: with community. I understand that there are the people who have provided feedback have stated

[2:37:29] Trustee Colbourne: that. I'm really disillusioned by the nature of some of these conversations that are happening.

[2:37:36] Trustee Colbourne: I find them exclusive there's a lot of voices that seem to get raised they have a familiarity

[2:37:42] Trustee Colbourne: with the trust or have email addresses or and they're important voices and we need to listen

[2:37:47] Trustee Colbourne: to them folks the communities aren't engaged in a way that we're getting a broad number of people

[2:37:54] Trustee Colbourne: more than ever we have we tried to consult and base this work in community

[2:37:58] Trustee Colbourne: but to say that this is going too fast or to look like this is a this is supposed to be a

[2:38:05] Trustee Colbourne: community conversation we need to come to conclusions we need to do it on the timeline

[2:38:09] Trustee Colbourne: that we've worked with first nations and others on um and it's it's an iterative process the fact

[2:38:17] Trustee Colbourne: that so much pressure has been placed on this due to a lack of regular living document work

[2:38:24] Trustee Colbourne: is an issue the response to that is not to slow down further but to set timelines to meet the

[2:38:32] Trustee Colbourne: the deadlines that we have and to be responsible with the way we communicate with the full array

[2:38:38] Trustee Colbourne: of people with interest in this work and project i have to tell you um the nature of the feedback

[2:38:45] Trustee Colbourne: i've received as this draft has come out and islanders and organizations have responded to it

[2:38:51] Trustee Colbourne: um the conversations are kind of moving beyond what happens to and with the trust to what happens

[2:38:58] Trustee Colbourne: after the trust and the the broad if you want to do a broad conversation the issues that that

[2:39:04] Trustee Colbourne: people are seeing are a kind of defensive status quo uh regression regressive policies as opposed

[2:39:12] Trustee Colbourne: to progressive policies and really like a pro development it the trust has a mandate to

[2:39:21] Trustee Colbourne: to preserve and protect and if if from the start we that had been done in a way that

[2:39:28] Trustee Colbourne: check development and dealt with the legacy of subdivision and undeveloped lots then we could

[2:39:34] Trustee Colbourne: have a conversation about protecting and conserving and everything else but the map is mostly drawn

[2:39:40] Trustee Colbourne: here folks and this trust has not stepped into the role of being an active participant

[2:39:49] Trustee Colbourne: in in in in how land use decisions are made um if i'm looking at what the climate caucus has

[2:39:58] Trustee Colbourne: put together i'm a member of that and you look at how they're responding across the country right

[2:40:03] Trustee Colbourne: now it's just give me one second here sorry um it's how do you recognize the ecological and

[2:40:17] Trustee Colbourne: climate crisis right that's a huge piece of this the second piece of it is how to recognize the

[2:40:23] Trustee Colbourne: humanitarian crisis and that these things are fundamentally interconnected so if we're not

[2:40:31] Trustee Colbourne: speaking about how humans are living and having an impact on the environment if we're not dealing

[2:40:37] Trustee Colbourne: with that directly if we're not grounding that work in some of the equity diversity inclusion

[2:40:44] Trustee Colbourne: fundamental issues in the way the trust has delivered its land use planning services in

[2:40:48] Trustee Colbourne: the past if you defend the status quo you're leaving a lot of people in the current crisis out

[2:40:54] Trustee Colbourne: and the discussions over the past 10 days or so um have really moved into a space of advocating

[2:41:00] Trustee Colbourne: to the minister about funding and other tree cutting other things but also around first

[2:41:06] Trustee Colbourne: nations about creating a safe respectful space for decision making um how do we do that recognizing

[2:41:13] Trustee Colbourne: this is the legacy and this is the timeline for change um the trust is not relevant enough

[2:41:21] Trustee Colbourne: in those conversations of the current crises and that's that's a challenge for me as an elected

[2:41:27] Trustee Colbourne: representative how do i represent that at a time when the discussion pits environment versus

[2:41:34] Trustee Colbourne: affordable housing and fingers are pointed and say you don't care about the environment

[2:41:37] Trustee Colbourne: chair morrison spoke earlier about feeling like i'm trying to get across a more nuanced

[2:41:42] Trustee Colbourne: expression of what sustainable communities means i mean i i'm feeling not rushed by this process

[2:41:49] Trustee Colbourne: I'm feeling very, from an existential point of view, trying to figure out where my time and

[2:41:54] Trustee Colbourne: energy goes. And I want this process to go along the lines it has. I want to recognize in the work

[2:42:01] Trustee Colbourne: that these are, have to be integrated solutions. That's the key piece of this that's missing. And

[2:42:08] Trustee Colbourne: the equity, diversity, inclusion piece has to recognize that it hasn't been done that way.

[2:42:13] Trustee Colbourne: And the response can't be status quo protection. And I'm sorry if I come across as emotional or

[2:42:20] Trustee Colbourne: some respect but um these responses are um um deeply felt and and i attended an event yesterday

[2:42:28] Trustee Colbourne: and received a letter from dr margaret taylor that's really put this into

[2:42:32] Trustee Colbourne: the urgency of of of how people on the islands feel how the past way these islands have been

[2:42:42] Trustee Colbourne: settled and and real values of justice and equity um have to be addressed in this in this

[2:42:49] Trustee Colbourne: in this process and slowing down is in the past.

[2:42:55] Trustee Morrison: Thank you, I think the emotions there for many of us

[2:42:59] Trustee Morrison: because I certainly did not hold it together clearly

[2:43:03] Trustee Morrison: at trust council around that.

[2:43:04] Trustee Morrison: So I think it's well felt.

[2:43:07] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Fenton and then Trustee Langer,

[2:43:09] Trustee Morrison: I'll come back to you too if you have any comments

[2:43:11] Trustee Morrison: and then we can check with others here.

[2:43:14] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Fenton.

[2:43:18] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, just by my, yeah, I think scenario one is,

[2:43:22] Trustee Fenton: I think is prudent.

[2:43:24] Trustee Fenton: I hear Trustee Rogers concern about more meetings.

[2:43:28] Trustee Fenton: I think that we need to sort of try to frame in

[2:43:31] Trustee Fenton: what we're working on,

[2:43:33] Trustee Fenton: but I'm also feel that we are on a process.

[2:43:36] Trustee Fenton: It's iterative in nature.

[2:43:37] Trustee Fenton: It's already as Trustee Coburn has stated,

[2:43:40] Trustee Fenton: it's on track, it's heading towards going.

[2:43:42] Trustee Fenton: I think that we have to be happy with the progress made.

[2:43:48] Trustee Fenton: I mean, if you think about the changes

[2:43:52] Trustee Fenton: that are being suggested, the progressive stance

[2:43:55] Trustee Fenton: that this is taking compared to our old document.

[2:43:57] Trustee Fenton: I mean, it's incomparable.

[2:43:59] Trustee Fenton: I mean, this is really, truly a huge step forward.

[2:44:03] Trustee Fenton: But I also hear Trustee Coburn's concerns

[2:44:07] Trustee Fenton: about the equity animal.

[2:44:10] Trustee Fenton: I keep going back to looking at documents with the UN

[2:44:13] Trustee Fenton: and other sort of sustainable development documents,

[2:44:17] Trustee Fenton: et cetera, their equity program

[2:44:22] Trustee Fenton: or what they call the agenda 2030,

[2:44:25] Trustee Fenton: is they got a 15 year window

[2:44:27] Trustee Fenton: is where they started late just after 2015.

[2:44:30] Trustee Fenton: So we are trying to do this in two years,

[2:44:33] Trustee Fenton: that's why we're struggling with it.

[2:44:34] Trustee Fenton: I would suggest that we put together

[2:44:38] Trustee Fenton: and do the best we can

[2:44:39] Trustee Fenton: and be very proud of the work done to date

[2:44:43] Trustee Fenton: and flag this whole notion,

[2:44:45] Trustee Fenton: the multiple pillars associated with equity across borders

[2:44:48] Trustee Fenton: to the next sort of step in our process as a maturing growing we've got a lot to figure out

[2:44:56] Trustee Fenton: just how to get first nations reconciliation functioning and um and actually resurrecting

[2:45:03] Trustee Fenton: the notion of the object and having that as our leading principle versus you know flushing

[2:45:11] Trustee Fenton: sustainability down and just ignoring it as a trendy word for the day we are actually going

[2:45:17] Trustee Fenton: going to try to figure out how to live that and then on the next iteration you know when we come

[2:45:22] Trustee Fenton: out of this with i'm not sure what trustee peterson's got is coming up with how we are

[2:45:29] Trustee Fenton: actually going to live on going forward how we're going to manage the trust policy statement

[2:45:34] Trustee Fenton: in an annual or semi-annual visit that we would turn around then and take on we can hit the high

[2:45:41] Trustee Fenton: points stated it's our next piece of the journey and then move forward with that in mind and figure

[2:45:48] Trustee Fenton: that out it's going to take resources and time you know and all they talk about on the global

[2:45:55] Trustee Fenton: stage is capacity within communities and local governments to manage that whole equity across

[2:46:01] Trustee Fenton: borders so within local governments so we don't have to be mad at ourselves because we can't get

[2:46:07] Trustee Fenton: it down this time i think we have to recognize that it's there it needs to be done justice we

[2:46:12] Trustee Fenton: have to figure out how to do that in the day and be and move what we've done to date and make it

[2:46:18] Trustee Fenton: the best we can and get it done and presentable and passed as a bylaw and on our given schedule

[2:46:28] Trustee Fenton: thank you thank you trustee language yeah

[2:46:31] Voice 2: yeah okay thank you timelines yeah it may seem like

[2:46:36] Voice 2: it's rushed and there is some and there is some rushing element to this but if we slow the process

[2:46:42] Voice 2: down too much where when are we going to get anything done that's one of my concerns and

[2:46:48] Voice 2: it's been noted we have had the 2050 we have the meetings we have these documents available online

[2:46:56] Voice 2: people can participate you know can at least be aware of what's happening have formulate some of

[2:47:02] Voice 2: of their ideas so i am not in favor of slowing the process down at this point in time um i think that

[2:47:10] Voice 2: part of the issue is that when there's a major change like this yeah people get reactive

[2:47:15] Voice 2: because it it looks different you know the structure is different there's new concepts in

[2:47:20] Voice 2: there and so people maybe get concerned but maybe not without with no validity to that concern once

[2:47:28] Voice 2: they actually understand what's what's occurring so i'm yeah i'm not in favor of slowing the

[2:47:33] Voice 2: timeline down i would like to know first nations views on this as well you know are we have we've

[2:47:42] Voice 2: got some feedback are they comfortable with this timeline as well or do they feel sufficiently

[2:47:49] Voice 2: informed on what's been happening um dan's point about consensus about tpc i that's i think that's

[2:47:56] Voice 2: a valid point there are different views within the trust so how we present draft one the background

[2:48:03] Voice 2: information i think just maybe has to reflect that you know there are some differences of views but

[2:48:09] Voice 2: this is generally the way the uh the trust is moving forward um other than that um the general

[2:48:22] Voice 2: approach uh i like what's been what's what's occurred with the trust policy statement

[2:48:28] Voice 2: amendments generally I think that we've talked a lot about the timeline not just about the general

[2:48:34] Voice 2: approach although I maybe you're talking about the approach of our process I'm not sure about

[2:48:41] Voice 2: that what you meant by that no

[2:48:43] Trustee Morrison: the approach of the actual policy like the layout yeah okay yeah

[2:48:47] Voice 2: so I do really like the approach that's been taken on that that's I support that yeah so I

[2:48:55] Voice 2: I think there's fear out there in the community

[2:48:57] Voice 2: and we need to address it.

[2:48:59] Voice 2: I think my feeling is we need to,

[2:49:02] Voice 2: during this process, even before it gets to first reading,

[2:49:06] Voice 2: have some discussions in the community

[2:49:07] Voice 2: so they're aware,

[2:49:09] Voice 2: could that maybe alleviate some of the issues or not?

[2:49:12] Voice 2: You know, it's hard to know

[2:49:13] Voice 2: depending on the person's perspective.

[2:49:16] Voice 2: So I'm gonna be trying to put that out more to the community

[2:49:21] Voice 2: and but to highlight that this is just a working document at this point in time and that you know

[2:49:28] Voice 2: we'll be ending up with a first reading at some point in time down the road uh there's also though

[2:49:35] Voice 2: a sense i've heard expressed that well once you have first reading of you know that can trust is

[2:49:41] Voice 2: sort of committed to this direction and i think we need to sort of counter that a bit that you

[2:49:46] Voice 2: know it's only first reading things can change down the road of second reading and third reading

[2:49:51] Voice 2: So, yeah, I'm not in favor of slowing the process down on that.

[2:49:57] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[2:49:58] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to put myself on the list, too.

[2:50:00] Trustee Morrison: And, Doug, I have you on the list.

[2:50:01] Trustee Morrison: It looked like you wanted to come back to something.

[2:50:06] Trustee Morrison: Just

[2:50:06] Trustee Fenton: a comment regarding the First Nations.

[2:50:10] Trustee Fenton: Page 31, it may talk about stuff.

[2:50:13] Trustee Fenton: It's mentioned that working within the timelines as outlined below the last two years,

[2:50:18] Trustee Fenton: but the expectations that the I will the bylaw will be adopted during the this term of office

[2:50:24] Trustee Fenton: so obviously this is an ongoing conversation with our staff and the first meeting

[2:50:30] Trustee Morrison: yeah and I'll have

[2:50:31] Trustee Morrison: Lisa weigh in on that too if I can first um I'll throw in a couple comments and then I'll have

[2:50:36] Trustee Morrison: staff um comment on everybody's sort of any other things they want to throw in and maybe chair

[2:50:40] Trustee Morrison: or uh CEO Ross Hostenpiller if you want to throw in comments so um so from my perspective I have

[2:50:48] Trustee Morrison: zero desire to slow down process um i want to keep on timeline i want to see this passed and

[2:50:54] Trustee Morrison: moved into policy in this term because there's a history of that not happening um we have been

[2:51:00] Trustee Morrison: very clear on the timeline all the way along and this is what happens when we get down to actual

[2:51:05] Trustee Morrison: concrete things where we're at now um we do have an extensive public engagement process as built

[2:51:12] Trustee Morrison: into this timeline and I feel good about that but I also feel like many of trustees have expressed

[2:51:19] Trustee Morrison: that you know in sort of I mean I'm a grassroots activist engaged in global policy change so like

[2:51:28] Trustee Morrison: let's move along people the climate crisis is still with us and reconciliation's been like

[2:51:33] Trustee Morrison: you know 400 plus years in the making of like terrible things we need to address this and move

[2:51:38] Trustee Morrison: move on so i have similar concerns about the use of time and energy toward processes that are like

[2:51:47] Trustee Morrison: hard to change and slow moving have been willing to work within this program zero tolerance to

[2:51:52] Trustee Morrison: slow down um so that's kind of a firm statement of how i think um and i do think having that's

[2:52:04] Trustee Morrison: that uh it's going to be important to like look at the incorporated edits and i would like to

[2:52:10] Trustee Morrison: have us today in the next hour deal with there's three particular areas that i think we need

[2:52:17] Trustee Morrison: some clarity for staff on um but uh i hear that this is an iterative process we're going to come

[2:52:25] Trustee Morrison: back to this this is a massive update it's going to cause tension in communities i anticipate that

[2:52:29] Trustee Morrison: we will work on the like communication strategy to minimize that it's a living document you know

[2:52:36] Trustee Morrison: we do need to actually work much more deeper in many areas of like the integrated solutions that

[2:52:43] Trustee Morrison: were named the equity lens that was named you know really thinking those things through

[2:52:48] Trustee Morrison: as much as we can reasonably put in this change is what I want to see enacted like in terms of

[2:52:56] Trustee Morrison: of what can we get through the entire trust council

[2:52:59] Trustee Morrison: in a reasonable way.

[2:53:00] Trustee Morrison: I do really thank the executive committee for coming up

[2:53:04] Trustee Morrison: and the staff for coming solution one, scenario one,

[2:53:07] Trustee Morrison: because I do think that does adjust not only the timeline

[2:53:13] Trustee Morrison: in a way that is not compromising our ability

[2:53:16] Trustee Morrison: to get into public consultation,

[2:53:18] Trustee Morrison: but allowing us as a trust council to not be overwhelmed

[2:53:22] Trustee Morrison: by paperwork at once so people can focus

[2:53:25] Trustee Morrison: on the thing that we're asking them to focus on

[2:53:28] Trustee Morrison: and give feedback,

[2:53:28] Trustee Morrison: which I think is the more important issue.

[2:53:31] Trustee Morrison: So that aspect of the work,

[2:53:32] Trustee Morrison: I don't feel as so much a time slippage

[2:53:34] Trustee Morrison: as an actual less focused people issue.

[2:53:38] Trustee Morrison: So I'm happy about that.

[2:53:40] Trustee Morrison: So I'm all for scenario one.

[2:53:42] Trustee Morrison: I would like to put a couple motions on the table

[2:53:47] Trustee Morrison: if we need them, Claire,

[2:53:49] Trustee Morrison: because there's a lot of complexity in this bill.

[2:53:52] Trustee Morrison: So I would like to see some motions on the table

[2:53:54] Trustee Morrison: related to the acceptance of scenario one is the timeline.

[2:53:58] Trustee Morrison: Do we have a template motion for that?

[2:54:03] Trustee Morrison: No? Okay.

[2:54:05] Trustee Morrison: So because from my count of folks,

[2:54:09] Trustee Morrison: that seems to be something that's accepted generally.

[2:54:12] Trustee Morrison: So I'd like to kind of just do that

[2:54:13] Trustee Morrison: and move on the next set of questions

[2:54:16] Trustee Morrison: about detail and feedback.

[2:54:19] Trustee Morrison: So can I have somebody make such a motion?

[2:54:22] Trustee Morrison: motion. Dan, you're good on on-the-fly motions. Can I get you to try one? Oh, hold on one second.

[2:54:29] Trustee Morrison: Maybe just before we do that, can I have Chair Luckham and any other staff, and actually Lisa,

[2:54:34] Trustee Morrison: I wanted to give you a moment to address the comment by Trustee Langerice, I think, that had

[2:54:40] Trustee Morrison: come up.

[2:54:42] Voice 16: Yeah, thank you, Chair. Yeah, just to address the comment regarding our engagement

[2:54:48] Voice 16: with first nations and how they feel about the document um i think first nations are saying like

[2:54:55] Voice 16: as soon as possible we are dealing with some very um concerning and complex issues in regards to

[2:55:04] Voice 16: the continued destruction of cultural heritage desecration of ancestral loved ones and the policy

[2:55:11] Voice 16: The policy statement provides appropriate and tangible ways of addressing that, both at the local LTC level and across the trust as a whole.

[2:55:28] Voice 16: This document also allows us to be able to use it as a foundation document to create other processes and things that we're undertaking, initiatives and projects.

[2:55:40] Voice 16: and nations when we're speaking about adding this section on part five and also having gotten rid of

[2:55:48] Voice 16: the archaic language and our commitments to reconciliation um we've built we're building

[2:55:56] Voice 16: that trust and we're continuing to build it but we have to show the actions in the documents that

[2:56:03] Voice 16: we're producing and being bringing those forward nations are really excited they want to work with

[2:56:10] Voice 16: us they are expressing that both to at the ministry level to ministers and also to us in

[2:56:18] Voice 16: our meetings with them so i think that it's very important that we um work hard uh to ensure that

[2:56:26] Voice 16: there's that space for their voice this is the first time in a document at the islands trust

[2:56:32] Voice 16: Trust, that First Nations voices are there in the document, and that's historic.

[2:56:38] Voice 16: It's both historic not only for the Islands Trust, but also showing that we are aligning

[2:56:44] Voice 16: and implementing DRIPA, and that's historic both in British Columbia and in Canada, so

[2:56:50] Voice 16: I think that this is really very important work, and the dedication that the staff have

[2:56:59] Voice 16: shown in doing this work and understanding reconciliation and also the dedication that

[2:57:05] Voice 16: trustees have shown to reconciliation has been transformative in the engagement that

[2:57:11] Voice 16: you're seeing with First Nations who are now wanting to engage with you and work with you

[2:57:15] Voice 16: on these important issues. This is a highly significant area of cultural heritage and

[2:57:23] Voice 16: and place for nations so hopefully that gives you an idea that we are not we're not receiving any

[2:57:29] Voice 16: navigated feedback in relation to the document thank

[2:57:33] Trustee Morrison: you and actually you you just remind before

[2:57:36] Trustee Morrison: we go to chair like i'm here you just reminded me of one other thing and that was that um i have

[2:57:42] Trustee Morrison: received comment significant comment actually on both sides of this document from across the trust

[2:57:47] Trustee Morrison: um people somehow look it up and find out and so um and i do want to say that the comment that i

[2:57:57] Trustee Morrison: have been getting um while i am getting some folks that are worried about timeline i am getting

[2:58:03] Trustee Morrison: actually significant emotional thoughtful research letters that are stating um clearly the the

[2:58:13] Trustee Morrison: the sentiment of how we're bringing the trust

[2:58:16] Trustee Morrison: into the modern era and a hope to even push further

[2:58:19] Trustee Morrison: in a couple areas.

[2:58:20] Trustee Morrison: So I'm getting some fairly significant support

[2:58:23] Trustee Morrison: for what we're doing.

[2:58:25] Trustee Morrison: And verbally in my own community,

[2:58:27] Trustee Morrison: I'm getting extensive support for this approach.

[2:58:30] Trustee Morrison: So I'm feeling good about that.

[2:58:32] Trustee Morrison: Chair Luckom.

[2:58:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Chair Morrison.

[2:58:37] Trustee Luckham: You know, there's been a lot of very thoughtful conversation here on this topic and specifically to do with the timeline.

[2:58:51] Trustee Luckham: And I really appreciate that and I've heard lots of words like iterative process first draft further consultation.

[2:59:00] Trustee Luckham: I will say that I don't think it's necessary to delay this any more than we have to or is necessary.

[2:59:11] Trustee Luckham: I think that there will be more opportunity for more input, especially when we get to what I consider to be first draft that says this is our intent.

[2:59:22] Trustee Luckham: It isn't carved in stone. It's our intent. And this is the opportunity for anybody and everybody to say, well, we think otherwise.

[2:59:30] Trustee Luckham: wise and then ideally that might be embraced in a second before second reading. I just want to

[2:59:39] Trustee Luckham: recognize that the amount of like it's amazing the amount of work and effort and thought that

[2:59:47] Trustee Luckham: has gone into this document from all of council from this committee and from citizens far and

[2:59:54] Trustee Luckham: wide across the island's trust and there has been plenty of time.

[3:00:00] Trustee Luckham: And if we're asking for a delay or to slow it down,

[3:00:04] Trustee Luckham: to what purpose and how are we going to facilitate that?

[3:00:08] Trustee Luckham: We actually don't really have a complete plan

[3:00:11] Trustee Luckham: to allow yet another round of engagement

[3:00:14] Trustee Luckham: to drill down into some areas of where it may not be necessary

[3:00:18] Trustee Luckham: that that depth be had at this time.

[3:00:22] Trustee Luckham: We've, as Lisa has pointed out,

[3:00:24] Trustee Luckham: we've managed to move the dial an incredibly long way

[3:00:28] Trustee Luckham: and there's so many things that um if we can sign seal and deliver this it would enable us

[3:00:35] Trustee Luckham: with boots on the ground to be able to stand behind all of the things that we've been thinking

[3:00:40] Trustee Luckham: about all this time we now have something that we can take to the government and take to other

[3:00:45] Trustee Luckham: agencies and say this is the islands trust and that just coming out of the meeting this morning

[3:00:51] Trustee Luckham: with with Chief Rempel and a couple of ministers. The time is we can't be doing

[3:00:59] Trustee Luckham: some of this reconciliation work soon enough and having a supported document

[3:01:03] Trustee Luckham: by the province that embraces the values that we've articulated is so incredibly

[3:01:09] Trustee Luckham: important to further the work and there will be lots of opportunities others

[3:01:13] Trustee Luckham: have said this to further this work for those areas that need more depth to them

[3:01:18] Trustee Luckham: we will find a way to do that in an ongoing and continuous process of keeping the policy statement

[3:01:26] Trustee Luckham: current the biggest fault over the last number of years is to have not maintained its currency

[3:01:32] Trustee Luckham: but it came up at rpc yes the other day that indeed if we amended the policy statement way back

[3:01:40] Trustee Luckham: on the last go-round of this it wouldn't be as complete a document as it is today

[3:01:46] Trustee Luckham: day and the Alex Trust has grown and changed and we have grown and changed all together here in

[3:01:51] Trustee Luckham: this canoe paddling this journey and I would like to see this advance and only because there may be

[3:01:59] Trustee Luckham: unforeseen delays at the ministry or other levels that may delay us adopting this and the goal is

[3:02:05] Trustee Luckham: to adopt this this term because if we can't adopt it this term the delays will be substantial in

[3:02:11] Trustee Luckham: in bringing a new and the next trust council up to speed

[3:02:16] Trustee Luckham: to allow that to happen.

[3:02:18] Trustee Luckham: And not that I don't have confidence in any future elected,

[3:02:22] Trustee Luckham: but that would worry me that it would push it out

[3:02:26] Trustee Luckham: into yet another point in time.

[3:02:29] Trustee Luckham: Let's move on.

[3:02:30] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[3:02:32] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:02:34] Trustee Morrison: If it's okay, I would suggest we get the motion on the table.

[3:02:39] Trustee Morrison: um CEO Hassan Miller do you have anything to add in addition to what's been said or are we okay to

[3:02:45] Trustee Morrison: go ahead and um

[3:02:47] Voice 19: well I've got lots of profound things to say but I'm not going to burden you

[3:02:51] Voice 19: with it um uh the only thing just organizationally we have ramped up the organization to achieve this

[3:02:58] Voice 19: and you've got the right staff to assist you at this point in time for you to be where you are

[3:03:06] Voice 19: and that's a unique opportunity to you've invested in that we're seeing some of the fruits

[3:03:14] Voice 19: perfection isn't what necessarily what we're after here but significant progress so I just

[3:03:21] Voice 19: acknowledge that if you're thinking of extending things into some long future that this is a unique

[3:03:28] Voice 19: time and you know a change always is a rush if you're changing something it feels like a rush

[3:03:34] Voice 19: so if you do all this two years from now it'll feel like a rush then so that would be it right

[3:03:41] Trustee Morrison: dan can you go ahead and put the motion on the table and if we can have that on the screen

[3:03:48] Trustee Morrison: to that degree

[3:03:51] Trustee Rogers: so i put a motion in the i put a motion in the chat and i think there's actually

[3:03:56] Trustee Rogers: three motions because claire has sent out a couple of specific more specific motions and

[3:04:01] Trustee Rogers: but I think we should probably do all three of them.

[3:04:06] Trustee Rogers: So the first one is that trust programs committee

[3:04:10] Trustee Rogers: endorsed the timeline and approach laid out in scenario one

[3:04:16] Trustee Rogers: and the staff report on the first draft

[3:04:19] Trustee Rogers: of the new policy statement.

[3:04:20] Trustee Rogers: That's not exactly the wording I use,

[3:04:22] Trustee Rogers: but Robert cleaned it up for me.

[3:04:24] Trustee Rogers: So I'm content with that.

[3:04:27] Trustee Rogers: So I'll make that motion.

[3:04:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[3:04:29] Trustee Morrison: so I need to be clear, just because the screen flipped on me, Robert.

[3:04:33] Trustee Morrison: So, Dan, are you okay with the one that you read, or did you want the other one?

[3:04:39] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, there were some extra words put out. I'm not sure where they came from,

[3:04:44] Trustee Rogers: but they weren't from me. I just want to read it. Timeline and approach laid out

[3:04:50] Trustee Rogers: in scenario one of the staff report. Yes, that's fine. I'm fine with that.

[3:04:54] Trustee Rogers: So,

[3:04:55] Trustee Morrison: if you can highlight the motion that we're voting on there, Robert.

[3:05:00] Trustee Morrison: just because they're going up and down.

[3:05:02] Trustee Morrison: I just, it's the second one on the page there.

[3:05:04] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, that one.

[3:05:05] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:05:08] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can I have a second on that motion?

[3:05:10] Trustee Morrison: Doug?

[3:05:13] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[3:05:15] Trustee Morrison: And any comment that has not yet been said on this?

[3:05:21] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Critchley.

[3:05:24] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[3:05:24] Trustee Critchley: I just wanted to say that my comments off the top

[3:05:29] Trustee Critchley: about delay were directed primarily

[3:05:32] Trustee Critchley: primarily to avoiding bringing this before trust council for the June

[3:05:37] Trustee Critchley: meeting. That's the context of, of my remarks.

[3:05:41] Trustee Critchley: I was not suggesting not intending to suggest that delay

[3:05:47] Trustee Critchley: before months or that it would be a

[3:05:52] Trustee Critchley: brief period of time in order to allow that for the scheduling of a

[3:05:57] Trustee Critchley: second special meeting of this committee. I won't belabor the point,

[3:06:01] Trustee Critchley: point, but I just wanted to make clear what my intent was there. Thank you.

[3:06:04] Trustee Morrison: Thank you so much,

[3:06:05] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Critchley. Okay, any further comment that has yet to be said? Okay, all those in favor that

[3:06:15] Trustee Morrison: the Trust Programs Committee endorsed the timeline and approach laid out in scenario one in the staff

[3:06:20] Trustee Morrison: report on the first draft of the new policy statement bylaw? Okay, hands down, please.

[3:06:38] Trustee Morrison: any opposed and dan is your hand up perfect good thank you okay so two opposed um the remainder

[3:06:50] Trustee Morrison: four that carries um do you want yourselves recorded as opposing are you okay with uh

[3:06:58] Trustee Morrison: just noting i

[3:06:59] Trustee Critchley: would be happy to have my opposition noted thank you yeah

[3:07:04] Voice 5: likewise thank you chair

[3:07:06] Voice 5: yeah

[3:07:06] Trustee Morrison: i asked because i realized at something recently at council i was like darn i really

[3:07:13] Trustee Morrison: wanted my opposition named so i'm trying to remember to ask that okay um all right so that's

[3:07:22] Trustee Morrison: the timeline um there are a couple other decisions that i feel like it staff has asked for some

[3:07:30] Trustee Morrison: guidance on as we go forward and there are some specific comments that people have suggested in

[3:07:36] Voice 1: their

[3:07:36] Trustee Morrison: various pieces um we sorry for the back lines we have like oh sorry trustee rogers you

[3:07:43] Trustee Morrison: said there were several motions um so a couple things a couple quick things i apologize generally

[3:07:49] Trustee Morrison: for the background noise there's construction project going on outside my window um trustee

[3:07:54] Trustee Morrison: rogers what other motions were on the table sorry

[3:07:57] Trustee Rogers: yeah director freighter suggested a couple

[3:07:59] Trustee Rogers: specific motions related to uh uh setting up that special meeting of june 15th and

[3:08:06] Trustee Rogers: and I've sent those to Robert by email.

[3:08:11] Trustee Rogers: So hopefully, and I'm happy to move those as well.

[3:08:15] Trustee Rogers: If Robert can find them and put them up.

[3:08:22] Voice 10: So while we're waiting for Robert to bring them on screen,

[3:08:24] Voice 10: I can just note that the motions that would be required

[3:08:26] Voice 10: to establish a special meeting on June 15th.

[3:08:29] Voice 10: And then the second one was that this committee recommend

[3:08:32] Voice 10: to executive committee that it worked towards scheduling

[3:08:35] Voice 10: that or asking trust council to schedule

[3:08:37] Voice 10: that special meeting on July 8th,

[3:08:39] Voice 10: which I'm going to encourage to happen soon so that people can adjust holiday calendars

[3:08:45] Voice 10: appropriately all

[3:08:54] Voice 3: right I'm

[3:08:56] Trustee Rogers: not sure if Robert found my email or not Robert

[3:09:03] Trustee Morrison: do you have the

[3:09:03] Trustee Morrison: motions they're

[3:09:05] Trustee Rogers: there there we go um so I move that TPC schedule a special meeting on June 15

[3:09:11] Trustee Rogers: 15, 2021, I gather we want it to beginning at 3 p.m. or later. I'm happy to move that. It

[3:09:22] Trustee Rogers: doesn't matter to me, beginning 3 p.m. or later.

[3:09:25] Voice 10: I can just say that was at the request of the

[3:09:28] Voice 10: chair because Trustee McConkie teaches until 3 p.m. that day.

[3:09:32] Trustee Rogers: I see. That's fine. So I'll make

[3:09:35] Trustee Rogers: that motion by

[3:09:37] Trustee Morrison: a seconder trustee langerice um and um tim and then i would like to also speak

[3:09:46] Trustee Morrison: to the motion dan do you want to say anything to the motion before me okay tim um

[3:09:52] Voice 8: yeah i i

[3:09:55] Voice 8: i'm okay with meeting at 3 p.m but later it's just a little um open-ended for me and so i'd like to

[3:10:02] Voice 8: not leave it that open-ended i i like three would be great or even if we're gonna say 3 30 that'd be

[3:10:10] Voice 8: be great, but I don't want to leave it that open-ended. Thank you.

[3:10:15] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and I'm okay with

[3:10:17] Trustee Morrison: 3 p.m. as well, because to start it at that time, given the length, so are we okay to just say

[3:10:24] Trustee Morrison: 3 p.m.? And it's one comment I'd like to add about this. So I really appreciate all the work

[3:10:34] Trustee Morrison: that everyone on this committee has done, and working groups, and time, and all the staff and

[3:10:38] Trustee Morrison: energy that's been put us it is an enormous challenge for those of us who work during the

[3:10:44] Trustee Morrison: day to have special meetings called on a shorter timeline and trying to fit them into our day

[3:10:49] Trustee Morrison: so i really appreciate the ability and i it's not ideal to have meeting afternoon where we're tired

[3:10:56] Trustee Morrison: so like i encourage everyone to schedule a nap who can that day but like it is really beneficial

[3:11:03] Trustee Morrison: to try and have after work meetings for those of us on a short timeline meeting like this

[3:11:08] Trustee Morrison: So I do want to make sure it's a bit of an equity issue about who can be here.

[3:11:13] Trustee Morrison: So thank you for that.

[3:11:16] Trustee Morrison: Any other comments?

[3:11:20] Trustee Morrison: Okay, I'm going to go ahead and call the vote.

[3:11:22] Trustee Morrison: All those in favor?

[3:11:31] Trustee Morrison: Okay, hands down, please.

[3:11:33] Trustee Morrison: That carries unanimously.

[3:11:36] Trustee Morrison: All right, can we get the second one of trust council scheduling?

[3:11:42] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[3:11:43] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead, Dan.

[3:11:44] Trustee Morrison: Do you want to read that one in?

[3:11:45] Trustee Rogers: Sure, I'll move that.

[3:11:47] Trustee Rogers: that says a bit, but I understand the intent

[3:11:49] Trustee Rogers: that TPC, oh, disappeared.

[3:11:52] Trustee Morrison: Okay, hold on one second.

[3:11:53] Trustee Morrison: We're just moving around while we're testing.

[3:11:55] Trustee Morrison: It's really difficult, so it's just, there we go.

[3:11:58] Trustee Rogers: That trust programs committee recommend to EC

[3:12:02] Trustee Rogers: that it recommend that trust council

[3:12:05] Trustee Rogers: schedule a special meeting on July 8th, 2021

[3:12:09] Trustee Rogers: to consider revised draft of the policy statement

[3:12:12] Trustee Rogers: for first reading.

[3:12:16] Trustee Morrison: Okay. And just as a form, because I'm picky, thank you very much. Can we thank you? Spell

[3:12:24] Trustee Morrison: out Executive Council and Trust Council. Thank you. I live in acronym land, and it's helpful

[3:12:31] Trustee Morrison: to have those things spelled out. So is that a second, Doug? Thank you. Okay. Any comments on

[3:12:37] Trustee Morrison: this? Questions? The only comment I would make on this is I do really appreciate having that July

[3:12:44] Trustee Morrison: July 8th meeting as a standalone meeting because it is really important for us to focus on that.

[3:12:49] Trustee Morrison: So I'm happy about that. Trustee Critchley?

[3:12:55] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, I agree that it should be a special meeting.

[3:12:58] Trustee Critchley: My only issue with it is it's a little too early. I think it should be a couple of weeks later,

[3:13:03] Trustee Critchley: but I understand I am in the minority. Thank you.

[3:13:08] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. All right. I'm going to go ahead and

[3:13:12] Trustee Morrison: call the vote on that. All those in favor? Okay. Hands down, please. All those opposed?

[3:13:36] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Kaley, can I ask if you are for or opposed?

[3:13:40] Voice 5: Sorry, Chair. It took a while to get this hand sorted out. Yeah, I'm in favor of that.

[3:13:45] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:13:46] Trustee Morrison: Okay. That carries. Trustee Critchley, do you want your vote recorded?

[3:13:52] Trustee Critchley: Yes, please.

[3:13:52] Trustee Critchley: please.

[3:13:53] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. So Trustee Critchley opposed. All right. That's the remainder, right, of motions

[3:14:08] Trustee Morrison: related to that chunk? Okay. So now the remaining things that we need to do in terms of giving some

[3:14:16] Trustee Morrison: direction for some of the revisions that we would see coming up on the June 5th meeting would be

[3:14:27] Trustee Morrison: to think about the term caring capacity to think about the inclusion and definition of healthy and

[3:14:37] Trustee Morrison: inclusive communities and took the commitment of how are we being in diversity equity and inclusion

[3:14:43] Trustee Morrison: and I actually had a third or fourth one on my notes from the maybe that's in the healthy and

[3:14:50] Trustee Morrison: inclusive communities but I had a note about housing that also came up up in people's

[3:14:55] Trustee Morrison: comments that I noticed so we might want to also like that Delaney do you want to um weigh in on

[3:15:01] Trustee Morrison: thoughts yeah yeah

[3:15:02] Voice 17: I just wanted to highlight chair that there were quite a number of recommendations

[3:15:06] Voice 17: that came in from various trustees and of course in the package we didn't name all of them here

[3:15:12] Voice 17: we just gave some staff commentary on a few that we knew you would be discussing but we certainly

[3:15:17] Voice 17: we haven't named all the recommendations that have been um asked for okay

[3:15:22] Trustee Morrison: um so

[3:15:25] Trustee Morrison: i'm wondering if um to be able to think through this um if we want to take them one at a time

[3:15:34] Trustee Morrison: and think about if we need to deal with recommendations specific to them so that we

[3:15:39] Trustee Morrison: can have more focused conversations um i suggestions are nominations for first we

[3:15:47] Trustee Morrison: We don't have to take them in order.

[3:15:48] Trustee Morrison: There might be a priority item.

[3:15:50] Trustee Morrison: I know I would like to see, for instance, I would like to see the issues of the equity

[3:15:56] Trustee Morrison: inclusion, like talked about and thought about, because I think that is a really important

[3:16:01] Trustee Morrison: lens that we want to make sure that we have.

[3:16:04] Trustee Morrison: So I would nominate that as a first topic.

[3:16:06] Trustee Morrison: Is there other nominations that people would like to talk about?

[3:16:21] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[3:16:22] Trustee Morrison: I also want to acknowledge that, do we need to take a break?

[3:16:26] Trustee Morrison: Are we losing focus?

[3:16:29] Trustee Morrison: So if we're losing focus, I kind of want to give us another we've been an hour again. So I'm okay with giving us like a maybe a 10 or 15 minute break.

[3:16:41] Trustee Morrison: Thoughts on that, because I don't I want us to be thoughtful about what we're doing here.

[3:16:48] Trustee Luckham: I second that.

[3:16:50] Trustee Luckham: Should we take a

[3:16:50] Trustee Luckham: proper lunch break at this time at 20 after 12 already to give staff also the opportunity to have a break from the work?

[3:16:57] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[3:16:58] Trustee Morrison: so if we give a half an hour break i will i do have a challenging schedule so i would like

[3:17:06] Trustee Morrison: to just have trustee peterson hang for a second and we can talk about like remaining of the

[3:17:11] Trustee Morrison: meeting because i'm going to have to step out at one o'clock um uncontrollable issue so um if

[3:17:18] Trustee Morrison: i'm totally great with that if we want to reconvene at quarter two so 12 45 um so take

[3:17:25] Trustee Morrison: lunch and convene at 12 45 to be able to continue uh yes trustee rogers just

[3:17:31] Trustee Rogers: wanted to say i really

[3:17:32] Trustee Rogers: would like us to think about over this break about what we're what we're doing here and maybe staff

[3:17:37] Trustee Rogers: could think about what it really needs from us at this stage given that

[3:17:41] Trustee Rogers: there's a plethora of

[3:17:43] Trustee Rogers: ideas out there that haven't been incorporated into a document um and i i i guess what that's

[3:17:51] Trustee Rogers: what i would so that we can focus that last hour yeah

[3:17:54] Trustee Morrison: that would be helpful exactly what do you need

[3:17:56] Trustee Morrison: from us it's like next steps to be able to give the next draft because we do have a big like the

[3:18:02] Trustee Morrison: next special meeting is just for this conversation so it might be better to like focus the next

[3:18:07] Trustee Morrison: meeting all on this if you can take all the feedback and incorporate it if you need specific

[3:18:11] Trustee Morrison: direction that you think there's a lot of conflicts on then we should get some clarity today and then

[3:18:16] Trustee Morrison: move forward okay that'd be great um so let's go ahead and take a break into 12 45 if that's all

[3:18:23] Trustee Morrison: right so let's go for 12 45 and um we'll reconvene trustee peterson if you can hang for a second

[3:18:31] Trustee Morrison: um so i have a a work call at one o'clock that i got put on my schedule like yesterday and i can't

[3:18:45] Trustee Morrison: do anything about so um sorry to claire if you're talking to us we can't hear you would

[3:18:51] Voice 10: you like me

[3:18:51] Voice 10: to stay for this or just no you can

[3:18:53] Trustee Morrison: yes i think that would be helpful if you stayed yeah that's

[3:18:56] Trustee Morrison: fine um so i'm wondering if you can go ahead and finish chairing the meeting i think we're okay

[3:19:01] Trustee Morrison: for quorum we have enough folks here um so i'm gonna try and get it done as quickly as possible

[3:19:08] Trustee Morrison: and return to the meeting but unfortunately it's my thought on the meeting and i can't do anything

[3:19:12] Trustee Morrison: about it so yeah

[3:19:15] Voice 8: i gotcha yeah yeah um yeah no that's that's fine and i'm i'm glad that you've

[3:19:21] Voice 8: spent a moment to try and frame the conversation coming out of the break i think that'll be helpful

[3:19:27] Voice 8: for keeping us moving down the track so that's great so

[3:19:30] Trustee Morrison: i think we

[3:19:31] Voice 8: prepared sorry now do you

[3:19:36] Voice 8: want me to just take over after the break or i think that's that way i'll just start sharing

[3:19:41] Voice 8: after we come back yeah yeah

[3:19:43] Trustee Morrison: that's going to be the smoothest transition

[3:19:44] Voice 8: just yeah continuity yeah

[3:19:46] Voice 8: Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah.

[3:19:48] Trustee Morrison: Okay. I

[3:19:49] Voice 8: will plan on that. And we said 1240, right?

[3:19:53] Trustee Morrison: 1245, but if

[3:19:54] Voice 8: you're back in

[3:19:54] Trustee Morrison: a couple minutes.

[3:19:56] Voice 8: 1245. Okay. Great. Great. I have to throw dinner

[3:19:59] Voice 8: in the oven. Great.

[3:20:02] Trustee Morrison: Thanks, Tim. Um, and Claire, if, if, um, sorry, I know you need to take a break

[3:20:09] Trustee Morrison: too. Um, but if there's anything else that you need from me, I can, um, check back later. It's

[3:20:17] Trustee Morrison: these other because we've had some local ltc special meetings too so it's been a real juggle

[3:20:21] Trustee Morrison: for me on my schedule but okay

[3:20:23] Voice 10: yeah we can be in touch after the meeting

[3:20:25] Voice 10: okay thank you all right all

[3:20:27] Voice 20: right good luck with your next meeting thank you

[3:42:06] Trustee Morrison: Lisa, I thought you'd be interested to know, I just submitted my paperwork yesterday

[3:42:12] Trustee Morrison: to be re-nominated for the, what's it called, the Ringo constituency, which is like research

[3:42:20] Trustee Morrison: non-governmental organization, so related to my university appointment, for the local communities

[3:42:28] Trustee Morrison: and indigenous people's platform for the UNFCCC. So like I have a good chance of getting it because

[3:42:35] Trustee Morrison: i've been on it for a long time so yeah

[3:42:37] Voice 20: they

[3:42:38] Trustee Morrison: give you a test no yeah they should know i think you

[3:42:43] Trustee Morrison: wouldn't be allowed to participate they just like mix your participation if you're like just

[3:42:46] Trustee Morrison: disrespectful in a way make

[3:42:50] Voice 16: you make you say a whole bunch of words in the language

[3:42:54] Trustee Morrison: people actually from around the world it's quite fascinating introduce themselves and like do

[3:42:59] Trustee Morrison: acknowledgements for their place in all these different languages it's so fascinating so and

[3:43:04] Trustee Morrison: And it's actually translated.

[3:43:06] Trustee Morrison: There's three official languages for the forum.

[3:43:08] Trustee Morrison: So it has a translation service through the UN.

[3:43:11] Trustee Morrison: But yeah, it's amazing.

[3:43:14] Voice 16: I know I should learn how to say the whole intro in the language.

[3:43:20] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, that would be amazing.

[3:43:21] Trustee Morrison: I would like to learn to say more in Sanchocton.

[3:43:26] Trustee Morrison: You know, trying to figure that out.

[3:43:33] Voice 8: That was a quick break.

[3:43:36] Voice 8: I know.

[3:43:37] Trustee Luckham: No,

[3:43:37] Voice 8: I had to stick dinner in the oven and then I realized that my lunch wasn't defrosted.

[3:43:42] Voice 8: So I had to quickly improvise something.

[3:43:47] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[3:43:49] Trustee Morrison: I went and had a quick look at the ongoing road, like a sewer effort going on outside.

[3:43:58] Trustee Morrison: Let's go look in all the holes.

[3:44:04] Trustee Morrison: So Trustee Peterson is going to

[3:44:06] Voice 20: be chairing.

[3:44:08] Trustee Morrison: I just wanted to say my apologies for not being able to continue after one o'clock I will stay as

[3:44:13] Trustee Morrison: close to one o'clock as I can and then I will step out after one so he's going to take over chair

[3:44:18] Trustee Morrison: all

[3:44:23] Voice 8: right and let's just see if we've got quorum here I'm seeing four trustees on screen

[3:44:35] Voice 8: five trustees on screen trustee Colburn's got his hand up so that looks like we've got quorum

[3:44:43] Voice 8: So I'm going to welcome everyone back to the meeting as Trustee Chair Morrison mentioned,

[3:44:49] Voice 8: I'm going to take over chairing for the next while as Trustee Morrison does have to step

[3:44:55] Voice 8: out for a prior obligation.

[3:44:58] Voice 8: And so we are, we're at the policy statement bylaw, looking at that and for the break Trustee

[3:45:13] Voice 8: Trustee Morrison encouraged trustees

[3:45:14] Voice 8: to think about specific direction to give staff

[3:45:21] Voice 8: on any of the items in the report,

[3:45:23] Voice 8: and then we could move on to the other items

[3:45:28] Voice 8: and feedback listed after that.

[3:45:31] Voice 8: That's my recollection.

[3:45:33] Voice 8: So I'm gonna open the floor then

[3:45:37] Voice 8: and see if anyone would like to speak

[3:45:39] Voice 8: on any specific direction to staff

[3:45:43] Voice 8: based on the report so

[3:45:50] Trustee Colbourne: I think equity diversity and inclusion was one of the

[3:45:53] Trustee Colbourne: topics carrying capacity just going back to what chair Morrison said so I agree

[3:45:58] Trustee Colbourne: those two and integrated solutions in terms of development and housing I would

[3:46:08] Trustee Colbourne: like to just sort of there's a kind of a joint proposal here from Gabriel and

[3:46:12] Trustee Colbourne: salt spring after some discussions this week and um having just kind of reviewed the staff response

[3:46:18] Trustee Colbourne: to that i'd like to have a discussion around some possibilities there

[3:46:24] Voice 8: okay thank you anybody else

[3:46:38] Voice 8: so looking uh maybe we can just take them as they uh just looking at the report taking as they come

[3:46:49] Voice 8: uh there's a easy to include section does anyone want to comment on that the defining

[3:46:55] Voice 8: running precautionary approaches.

[3:47:00] Voice 8: Any of those three bullets there, Trustee Fenton?

[3:47:05] Trustee Fenton: Oh, yeah, I was, I could just comment on that, I guess.

[3:47:17] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, I don't have a problem with that suggestion.

[3:47:20] Trustee Fenton: I think that that's a reasonable place to start.

[3:47:25] Trustee Fenton: And a place base is a good thing as well.

[3:47:29] Trustee Fenton: And I don't have any knowledge

[3:47:33] Trustee Fenton: of the Canadian Mortgage CMHC stuff,

[3:47:36] Trustee Fenton: so I won't comment on that one.

[3:47:45] Trustee Fenton: What I was thinking about though,

[3:47:46] Trustee Fenton: was the, just the notion of capsulating a comment

[3:47:52] Trustee Fenton: or a statement or whatever, paraphrasing our equity,

[3:47:56] Trustee Fenton: the greater equal justice issue and making comment

[3:48:00] Trustee Fenton: that that is, you know, there will be more in depth.

[3:48:06] Trustee Fenton: We need to capture what we need to be comfortable with,

[3:48:08] Trustee Fenton: But at the same time, it could be more in-depth discussion in the next iteration or our next amendments to the policy statement at that time, as I just mentioned earlier in our conversation.

[3:48:30] Voice 8: Okay, thank you, Doug. Trustee Morrison?

[3:48:36] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so I think I would love to, given more limited time today, I would love to just have a brief introduction for the Salt Spring Islands.

[3:48:48] Trustee Morrison: ideas um and then think about like any comments that i can add before i have to um part today

[3:48:54] Trustee Morrison: about that because i think that might address some of my issues around equity and

[3:48:58] Trustee Morrison: and inclusion as well

[3:49:07] Voice 7: okay so uh i see that's coming up on the screen there

[3:49:17] Voice 8: and um should we hear from delaney on this um

[3:49:27] Voice 17: i so i think we've provided our staff commentary here

[3:49:30] Voice 17: in terms of why it would be difficult to include these proposed recommendations in the in the

[3:49:40] Voice 17: redraft. Director Merler is on the call right now and can provide more specifics on the directive

[3:49:45] Voice 17: language that was proposed by the Saltsburg Island and Gabriela Island trustees who provided

[3:49:54] Voice 17: that joint proposal, but perhaps Trustee Colburn

[3:49:59] Voice 17: would want to introduce the topic.

[3:50:06] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[3:50:07] Voice 8: Trustee Colburn, do you want to speak?

[3:50:10] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I think, you know, we've had sort

[3:50:12] Trustee Colbourne: of a broad,

[3:50:13] Trustee Colbourne: yeah, sorry, Chair, we've had sort of a broad discussion

[3:50:18] Trustee Colbourne: around some of the larger issues of housing

[3:50:23] Trustee Colbourne: housing and trying to integrate solutions that protect the environment

[3:50:30] Trustee Colbourne: and also lead to better health outcomes for the individuals and more equitable

[3:50:36] Trustee Colbourne: conditions for how housing decisions are made. There were discussions this

[3:50:42] Trustee Colbourne: week with myself and Laura Patrick and other representatives from Gabriel and

[3:50:48] Trustee Colbourne: and Salt Spring, many involved in long-term with the trust and, you know, maybe there's a way

[3:50:56] Trustee Colbourne: forward here and this came up in the housing working group quite often as well and maybe

[3:51:01] Trustee Colbourne: Trustee Rogers could speak to this as well that, you know, not everything has to apply

[3:51:06] Trustee Colbourne: federation-wide, different islands have different population and development pressures or have

[3:51:10] Trustee Colbourne: different expectations in terms of subdivision layout and lot sizes and everything else and how

[3:51:16] Trustee Colbourne: how we approach that is very different on a Salt Spring and a Gabriel than it is on a Saturna or

[3:51:21] Trustee Colbourne: a Laskiti. And sometimes that's very intentional in the way that subdivision lot sizes have been

[3:51:28] Trustee Colbourne: regulated and limited, and there's an outcome to that. So there's different forces, different

[3:51:37] Trustee Colbourne: pressures, different population sizes. I don't feel that this current draft of the policy

[3:51:43] Trustee Colbourne: statement addresses some of the clear and present issues that are leading to further ecosystem and

[3:51:52] Trustee Colbourne: environmental degradation at the same time as they put in cement some of the equity issues in terms

[3:51:59] Trustee Colbourne: of who's been able to access land, who's been able to access the land use planning services

[3:52:03] Trustee Colbourne: of the trust and what what what can be done about that in a more active way so instead of having

[3:52:13] Trustee Colbourne: that discussion for every single island in every single context the idea is to put some language

[3:52:17] Trustee Colbourne: that has been workshopped in the housing working group we receive feedback from planners to kind

[3:52:23] Trustee Colbourne: of revise this make it more in line with what directive policies would be and it it gets at

[3:52:27] Trustee Colbourne: the idea that hey you've got for market profit housing there's x amount that's already been

[3:52:33] Trustee Colbourne: approved that's sitting maybe it hasn't been developed yet but that's on the map and then

[3:52:37] Trustee Colbourne: there's the lack of housing options and a lack of a path to equitable housing that that would

[3:52:48] Trustee Colbourne: both protect the environment and lead to better health outcomes for the human populations there's

[3:52:53] Trustee Colbourne: also the the um so the the language gets at the fact that you have to limit um some of the for

[3:53:02] Trustee Colbourne: market market housing for-profit market housing and and um find creative solutions um that are

[3:53:11] Trustee Colbourne: environmentally um have an impact on the environment in a positive way and deal with the situations

[3:53:17] Trustee Colbourne: that gabriel and salt spring face so you know you don't have to as the committee as a trust i like

[3:53:23] Trustee Colbourne: the idea and it received kind of a favorable response in the housing working group in terms

[3:53:29] Trustee Colbourne: of looking at different approaches for different islands within the policy statement itself

[3:53:40] Voice 7: okay thank you uh trustee colburn um director marler did you want to comment on this

[3:53:47] Voice 7: at this stage see him on screen um okay

[3:54:01] Voice 8: uh now i saw trustee langer eyes his hand up but also saw

[3:54:06] Voice 8: I saw Trustee Morrison's hand go back up.

[3:54:09] Voice 8: Trustee Longeraz, did you want to talk on this item

[3:54:12] Voice 8: or did you have something else you wanted to talk about?

[3:54:15] Voice 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk about maybe Chair Morrison

[3:54:18] Voice 2: should go first because of her time constraint.

[3:54:22] Voice 2: Okay, thank you, that's very polite.

[3:54:24] Voice 2: Chair Morrison.

[3:54:25] Trustee Morrison: Thank you very much, Case.

[3:54:28] Trustee Morrison: So, you know, I've not been a fan historically

[3:54:34] Trustee Morrison: historically, of having housing explicitly in the trust policy statement. But I have to admit that

[3:54:42] Trustee Morrison: through the working group process, I'm seeing more where there is some need to connect housing

[3:54:49] Trustee Morrison: into the issues of sustainability broadly in the trust area. I don't know that I'm for specific

[3:54:59] Trustee Morrison: language as per some of the staff comments for Gabriela and Salt Spring, but I do think that I

[3:55:08] Trustee Morrison: am for trying to say more explicitly across, and maybe it's a more general statement that needs to

[3:55:17] Trustee Morrison: be at a policy level, for kind of like what is suggested here, the idea of,

[3:55:27] Trustee Morrison: of, and I think I would frame it in a fully positive way,

[3:55:32] Trustee Morrison: like for sustainable ecological preservation

[3:55:36] Trustee Morrison: or protection in the trust area,

[3:55:39] Trustee Morrison: we need to ensure equitable and secure

[3:55:43] Trustee Morrison: and appropriate housing options.

[3:55:45] Trustee Morrison: Like I kind of would state it in a positive way like that,

[3:55:49] Trustee Morrison: because these issues are entwined

[3:55:50] Trustee Morrison: with ecological integrity

[3:55:52] Trustee Morrison: and and each sort of local trust committee would be required to incorporate that in their OCP and

[3:56:05] Trustee Morrison: their bylaws like that kind of statement because I do think it it lends to the idea of sustainable

[3:56:13] Trustee Morrison: communities in the context of our land use planning so like what it are we actually planning

[3:56:20] Trustee Morrison: for affordable housing as part of our effort to protect ecosystems. So some way where we are like

[3:56:28] Trustee Morrison: naming that, I would love to see a more explicit statement. I don't think I'm for the general state

[3:56:35] Trustee Morrison: or the specific island statements because I think it's appropriate like for LTCs to figure out what's

[3:56:41] Trustee Morrison: appropriate for their islands, but I do think that all islands should be thinking about it and should

[3:56:46] Trustee Morrison: be directed toward that and that context of what looks like in their communities so i think i'll

[3:56:52] Trustee Morrison: leave it at that um and i will just say that that is coming a long way from where i started on

[3:56:57] Trustee Morrison: thinking about housing so uh yeah i'll leave it there okay

[3:57:04] Voice 2: thank you trustee longer us yeah okay

[3:57:07] Voice 2: yeah thank you yeah yeah looking at the the first section easy to include i certainly i agree with

[3:57:13] Voice 2: with trying to refine the definition

[3:57:15] Voice 2: of precautionary approaches in some matter.

[3:57:21] Voice 2: Also the commitment to place-based

[3:57:23] Voice 2: multi-generational solutions.

[3:57:25] Voice 2: I have more difficulty with the CMHC.

[3:57:29] Voice 2: It talks about 30% of income

[3:57:32] Voice 2: and that's a fixed definition in that agency.

[3:57:40] Voice 2: And I'm supposedly subject to change.

[3:57:42] Voice 2: and then we would then just be subject to that their change as well so I'm a little nervous about

[3:57:47] Voice 2: another agency's fixed definition that's subject you know to change and so specific so I'm a little

[3:57:56] Voice 2: more concerned about that um carrying capacity yeah I uh I think ideally it should still be in

[3:58:04] Voice 2: there I did talk about uh maybe not using the terminology because it sometimes it has a

[3:58:11] Voice 2: emotional content to it but i still think that that is a is a something that's is within the

[3:58:20] Voice 2: framework i think of the trust uh mandate the object that we are talking about what's the

[3:58:25] Voice 2: capacity of the environment ecosystem to contain all the parts of the ecosystem which includes

[3:58:32] Voice 2: humans it's just our propensity and our capacity to overwhelm the other aspects of the ecosystem so

[3:58:39] Voice 2: So I'm in support of keeping it in, if we can, in some fashion.

[3:58:46] Voice 2: The specific ones to Salt Spring, Gabriola,

[3:58:50] Voice 2: I'm not really in favor of that.

[3:58:52] Voice 2: I mean, I agree with Chair Morrison.

[3:58:55] Voice 2: It's something that locally can be addressed.

[3:58:58] Voice 2: It's locally.

[3:58:59] Voice 2: And it's, you know, yeah, we have more people living on Gabriola

[3:59:03] Voice 2: and there's even more on Salt Spring.

[3:59:04] Voice 2: So proportionately, we have a greater issue around, you know,

[3:59:09] Voice 2: poverty just by virtue of population as well so I'm not sure that the difference on in terms of

[3:59:17] Voice 2: that is Gabriela versus say Hornby or Denman is it that much different or not I don't I don't get

[3:59:24] Voice 2: the sense that it is that we are worse off we just have more people so we have a greater presence of

[3:59:30] Voice 2: that of those issues so that's my initial comments thanks okay

[3:59:37] Voice 8: thank you I see a couple more hands up

[3:59:39] Voice 8: but I also see David Marler's back and I wonder, Director Marler, do you want to

[3:59:45] Voice 8: speak to the part six directive policies applicable to Gabriel and Salt Spring?

[3:59:52] Voice 1: Sure, I can speak to that. So your legislation allows for

[4:00:00] Voice 1: different um policies for different areas so that's you know that part of it is not a problem

[4:00:06] Voice 1: the the biggest problem though from my point of view from reading this is well salt spring and

[4:00:13] Voice 1: gabriola probably have the larger populations i think the issues around housing you'll find

[4:00:18] Voice 1: are very similar in other islands so i'd be concerned about um putting something in that's

[4:00:26] Voice 1: specific to Salt Spring and Gabriela in respect to housing that appears on the surface anyway to

[4:00:32] Voice 1: put the housing ahead of say the environment and other issues and you know kind of wondering why

[4:00:41] Voice 1: why are we not doing that for other trust committees like what is the big difference

[4:00:44] Voice 1: so you know I'm just I'm just thinking from an an implementation point of view that it could

[4:00:52] Voice 1: probably be problematic um to do that i'm not really sure how we would make that work

[4:00:59] Voice 1: so yeah i don't have much more to say other than you know i could i can certainly see what you know

[4:01:07] Voice 1: what the issue is but i really think um the issue is it's beyond salt spring gabriel like the issues

[4:01:14] Voice 1: could be go beyond that so i'll just leave it at that okay

[4:01:24] Voice 8: thank you i see trustee rogers and then

[4:01:27] Voice 8: And I see Trustee Colburn again.

[4:01:29] Voice 8: And Trustee Langerhuis, did you want to speak again?

[4:01:33] Voice 8: So, Trustee Rogers.

[4:01:34] Trustee Rogers: Thanks.

[4:01:36] Trustee Rogers: I'm glad the director, because I was going to make this point.

[4:01:39] Trustee Rogers: This is not a radical proposition.

[4:01:42] Trustee Rogers: Our legislation actually contemplates that there might be different policies for different areas of trust.

[4:01:48] Trustee Rogers: And if I could channel my inner trusty Brent, he would tell you that Saterna is an entirely different place than Salisbury.

[4:02:00] Trustee Rogers: Now, are there common issues? For sure. But they have different considerations.

[4:02:06] Trustee Rogers: um in my local trust area housing issues are are not anywhere near the same issues as they are

[4:02:14] Trustee Rogers: uh in in uh on south spring or gabriola so i i really don't i mean if we're talking about

[4:02:22] Trustee Rogers: directive policies i think we need to be careful that the directive policies suit the need of the

[4:02:29] Trustee Rogers: community and so i i i'm not i'm not we trustee colburn's right we talked about that because we

[4:02:37] Trustee Rogers: talked about at the housing working group because we talked about well if we did this that may not

[4:02:44] Trustee Rogers: go over very well on on uh maine or south tender but it is maybe a necessary directive policy for

[4:02:52] Trustee Rogers: saturna and i'm sorry for salt spring and gabriola uh because of the nature of their

[4:02:58] Trustee Rogers: development issues and where they're at um so um i am am attracted to that possibility i

[4:03:07] Trustee Rogers: frankly don't quite understand the staff commentary around this and that's not a criticism

[4:03:12] Trustee Rogers: i just don't understand it around this reasonableness i think that's an over a term

[4:03:17] Trustee Rogers: that's often misunderstood and i think there there can be we're given specific authority to do that

[4:03:23] Trustee Rogers: So the other thing I wanted to say is I really would encourage people not to say that in any of these proposals around housing or communities or healthy communities that we're giving them, quote, priority, end of quote, over the environment or indigenous matters.

[4:03:47] Trustee Rogers: because no one is using that language to give them priority.

[4:03:52] Trustee Rogers: What we've been saying is that those issues need to be given emphasis

[4:04:02] Trustee Rogers: and be part of the discussion and be given a sense of emphasis

[4:04:09] Trustee Rogers: in the trust policy statement and be part of the work that we're working on

[4:04:14] Trustee Rogers: along with the the frankly um uh very i i'm quite supportive of the lot most of the environmental

[4:04:23] Trustee Rogers: of new environmental pieces and ecosystem pieces that are in the trust policy statement

[4:04:29] Trustee Rogers: so along with that an enhanced emphasis on the ecosystems uh it but it's not about anyone

[4:04:36] Trustee Rogers: saying that we need to give those community issues priority over the environment so i

[4:04:43] Trustee Rogers: I would encourage people not to use that language

[4:04:45] Trustee Rogers: because that's not the message we've been given

[4:04:47] Trustee Rogers: that some of us have been using, thanks.

[4:04:53] Voice 8: Okay, thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[4:04:55] Voice 8: I see Trustee Colburn again,

[4:04:57] Voice 8: and then Chair Leckham after that.

[4:05:03] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you, and thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[4:05:07] Trustee Colbourne: I'll just say ditto, I thank you for that, what you said.

[4:05:11] Trustee Colbourne: And I would really like to,

[4:05:14] Trustee Colbourne: I don't see in referencing housing is is somehow overcoming or is not a priority on the environment

[4:05:23] Trustee Colbourne: these things are intertwined and linked if you are not going to have a presence in housing

[4:05:29] Trustee Colbourne: decisions that landowners make that land use decisions are made you're not going to be able

[4:05:33] Trustee Colbourne: to protect the environment that's the that's the reality and the trust's failing and I say this in

[4:05:39] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not trying to cast blame or anything else, but here's the reality.

[4:05:44] Trustee Colbourne: It hasn't been willing to tell people what can and should be done with the properties

[4:05:50] Trustee Colbourne: for the betterment of the ecosystem.

[4:05:53] Trustee Colbourne: And using traditional knowledge, there hasn't been the trust buildup.

[4:05:57] Trustee Colbourne: And we're doing some of that work now.

[4:05:59] Trustee Colbourne: We haven't had those connections to place that would allow us to work together in a

[4:06:07] Trustee Colbourne: a safe, respectful way in terms of traditional knowledge of place. And the science of ecosystems

[4:06:14] Trustee Colbourne: and land use have not informed enough of what we're doing. So you have to be active in how

[4:06:20] Trustee Colbourne: you're regulating housing and residential land use. That is the primary, like the Islands Trust

[4:06:28] Trustee Colbourne: has limited development of industry. There aren't bridges there, you know, it has limited development

[4:06:33] Trustee Colbourne: in in certain ways but it has not been active enough in in how these islands have been developed

[4:06:40] Trustee Colbourne: and it's left um equity off the table too often and so that's that's the result is that you know

[4:06:48] Trustee Colbourne: we need multi-generational place-based integrated solutions that that tie the ecosystem to the human

[4:06:55] Trustee Colbourne: action in a relevant way that's where that's where the ecosystem protection comes from

[4:06:59] Trustee Colbourne: and i'm all for other islands saying hey you're gabriel assault spring we face those issues as

[4:07:06] Trustee Colbourne: well denman galliano will be part of a directed policy and allows islands who maybe have dealt

[4:07:13] Trustee Colbourne: with this with their ltcs in a different way and have different outcomes and different pressures

[4:07:16] Trustee Colbourne: and different voices in the in the community who um you know uh to have a different approach i think

[4:07:23] Trustee Colbourne: think the policy statement is the place to do that and empower local solutions that protect

[4:07:29] Trustee Colbourne: the environment while taking into consideration the human health impacts as well. In terms of

[4:07:36] Trustee Colbourne: caring capacity, if you're looking to limit development and limit the number of people,

[4:07:41] Trustee Colbourne: that's okay. How are you making decisions is the nitty gritty of that. Caring capacity doesn't

[4:07:47] Trustee Colbourne: allow you to do that in a way, it's a values-based decision. It's trying to cloak it in some science

[4:07:52] Trustee Colbourne: and you can use different qualifiers

[4:07:57] Trustee Colbourne: and different parts of that formula

[4:07:59] Trustee Colbourne: and come up with different responses

[4:08:00] Trustee Colbourne: because the impact of human behavior is different.

[4:08:02] Trustee Colbourne: And it kind of, what I'm trying to say is

[4:08:06] Trustee Colbourne: carrying capacity is not,

[4:08:08] Trustee Colbourne: especially if you leave it up to LTCs

[4:08:10] Trustee Colbourne: to define what that is over a period of years,

[4:08:12] Trustee Colbourne: it is not a check and balance of overdevelopment.

[4:08:15] Trustee Colbourne: It is setting numbers of who is here now,

[4:08:20] Trustee Colbourne: how much they've used

[4:08:21] Trustee Colbourne: and pulling up a drawbridge to deal with some of the equity issues or reconciliation or anything

[4:08:26] Trustee Colbourne: else it the the unintended consequences of that sort of quasi-scientific approach you could get

[4:08:34] Trustee Colbourne: carrying capacities of 40 50 000 people for some of these islands like that's that's the reality

[4:08:39] Trustee Colbourne: and other jurisdictions have used to have moved away from it for that exact reason because it's

[4:08:44] Trustee Colbourne: unqualifiable so if you're going to have a limit let's talk about what that means and and have a

[4:08:49] Trustee Colbourne: shared understanding of it. Caring capacity isn't it, folks. And that's quite a, I've shared a piece

[4:08:58] Trustee Colbourne: from an environmental ecologist. And, you know, if you want to do checks and balances, please show

[4:09:06] Trustee Colbourne: me the work. Show me what you're talking about. And we can have a community conversation. I'll

[4:09:10] Trustee Colbourne: push that work down the road and have it undefined. It could have really serious unintended consequences.

[4:09:17] Trustee Colbourne: consequence okay

[4:09:22] Voice 7: thank you uh chair luckham thank

[4:09:29] Trustee Luckham: you i had to catch my breath there trustee colburn

[4:09:34] Trustee Luckham: um i don't uh disagree with anybody um but the depth and breadth of this conversation

[4:09:44] Trustee Luckham: um is only probably something that we've scratched the surface of and i don't know that we're gonna

[4:09:53] Trustee Luckham: resolve it here um i'm going to kind of start off at the end actually about but i wanted to

[4:10:03] Trustee Luckham: talk about some other things but just starting at the end to talk about carrying capacity

[4:10:08] Trustee Luckham: um even more complex than any of the other aspects of it is to try and figure out what

[4:10:14] Trustee Luckham: that actually means because i always think about carrying capacity as a biological

[4:10:18] Trustee Luckham: physiological, physical, environmental sort of a measurement. We talked about that a lot in

[4:10:26] Trustee Luckham: Bain Sound with respect to how much shellfish harvesting can you do, how much seaweed

[4:10:32] Trustee Luckham: harvesting can you do, how much urchin harvesting can you do with a constant volume of nutrients,

[4:10:41] Trustee Luckham: Right. So for me, that's what carrying capacity is. And so that said, I think it's probably impossible to determine the kind of carrying capacity of the Gulf Islands if you're measuring it against surrounding urban areas, because we can't use the

[4:11:02] Trustee Luckham: carrying capacity of downtown Vancouver on Salt Spring Island or Gabriela and I'm not saying that

[4:11:08] Trustee Luckham: anybody's saying that you would or could or should but there's some real difficulty in figuring that

[4:11:15] Trustee Luckham: out and I'm going to be bold here and I'm going to say that it's not a matter of figuring out

[4:11:21] Trustee Luckham: how many more people we can get into the Gulf Islands because quite honestly I think we've

[4:11:26] Trustee Luckham: exceeded that capacity already. Water, forests, species at risk, it just goes on. So I think we

[4:11:39] Trustee Luckham: need to think about it in that context. So now I'll come back to what my original thoughts were

[4:11:43] Trustee Luckham: here. As many of you know, I'm a real advocate of the United Nations Biosphere Initiative,

[4:11:49] Trustee Luckham: initiative, because you define what it is you want to protect, what the, I lost the word now,

[4:11:57] Trustee Luckham: but you define what it, the protected area, what it is that the values and the places that you want

[4:12:02] Trustee Luckham: to protect, and then you look outside of that circle, and circles are just easy to define,

[4:12:07] Trustee Luckham: you look outside of that circle and figure out what the human impact potentials are and how

[4:12:13] Trustee Luckham: you're going to balance that and so i kind of think well i'll just leave that there for a moment

[4:12:21] Trustee Luckham: and then i'll just speak to trying to define uh trust area wide uh concept on this or or whether

[4:12:31] Trustee Luckham: or not it's a local uh initiative that contributes to it um the same rationale about carrying

[4:12:38] Trustee Luckham: capacity defined by local trust committees which would that would be a mistake um versus

[4:12:42] Trustee Luckham: as local ideas about what growth looks like may also be a mistake because, and I'm not going to

[4:12:52] Trustee Luckham: mention any islands here because that might terrify people. I think that there are many

[4:12:59] Trustee Luckham: islands within the Islands Trust here that are at risk of explosions in population that you might

[4:13:06] Trustee Luckham: might not think because of market forces, values of properties. Guess what? It's cheaper to buy

[4:13:13] Trustee Luckham: land on some islands and more significantly, climate change. I always said that I would never

[4:13:21] Trustee Luckham: live north of Courtney Comox because the weather wasn't that great up there, although it's lovely,

[4:13:26] Trustee Luckham: I'm sure. But you know what? That part of Canada, the Southern Gulf Islands and the West Coast of

[4:13:33] Trustee Luckham: British Columbia generally which is such a attraction for people across the nation and

[4:13:39] Trustee Luckham: across the world is expanding further north to further islands and so I think we have to take

[4:13:48] Trustee Luckham: that into consideration is although there are population centers at the moment that have

[4:13:52] Trustee Luckham: all of these demands it isn't exclusive to those and we will see those demands being placed

[4:13:57] Trustee Luckham: in other places, especially as regulations and other contributing factors, and of course,

[4:14:06] Trustee Luckham: property values make it even less accessible than it is now to the broad spectrum of people

[4:14:14] Trustee Luckham: that we are trying to embrace. So that kind of brings me to my point, is that I think

[4:14:22] Trustee Luckham: that we need to include language, concepts about all of this growth, population,

[4:14:29] Trustee Luckham: sustainability, diversity in our community. We need to capture the elements of that conversation

[4:14:34] Trustee Luckham: without having the specifics so that if it's a directive, it applies to all the islands because

[4:14:43] Trustee Luckham: it's a truth, right? That this is what we've decided is the measure or however it is you

[4:14:50] Trustee Luckham: you want to define it so i'm very keen on including uh some language that advances the primary concepts

[4:14:59] Trustee Luckham: of what it is that we're trying to do and i think that would be universally i would like to think it

[4:15:03] Trustee Luckham: could be universally embraced by many if we are able to define that and therein lies the challenge

[4:15:10] Trustee Luckham: but one last thing is i'd like to know um and trustee colburn um you said something about we

[4:15:17] Trustee Luckham: we, you know, I don't know if you said failed, but we've been unable to manage property owner,

[4:15:23] Trustee Luckham: landowner development. Development permit areas are the tool. What we failed in is not implementing

[4:15:32] Trustee Luckham: development permit areas broadly across the Islands Trust for all of the aspects for which

[4:15:37] Trustee Luckham: they can manage tree cutting, hazardous areas, shoreline protection. The opportunity for defining

[4:15:45] Trustee Luckham: Finding those and spelling it out is there.

[4:15:48] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, I will say that North Pender Island, as an example, has some of the most sophisticated

[4:15:54] Trustee Luckham: development permit areas anywhere in the Island's Trust.

[4:15:56] Trustee Luckham: And guess what?

[4:15:57] Trustee Luckham: We tell property owners what they can do.

[4:15:59] Trustee Luckham: You can't cut down that tree.

[4:16:01] Trustee Luckham: You can't do this.

[4:16:02] Trustee Luckham: You can't do that.

[4:16:02] Trustee Luckham: You've got to hire a QEP.

[4:16:03] Trustee Luckham: You've got to hire a biologist, an arborist.

[4:16:06] Trustee Luckham: The list goes on.

[4:16:08] Trustee Luckham: Water specialists and also on Salt Spring.

[4:16:10] Trustee Luckham: and so that said there's problems with that because of course that only drives the whole

[4:16:16] Trustee Luckham: thing of cost of development but if we need to do more it's around development permit areas

[4:16:25] Trustee Luckham: that's it for me this is great conversation and there's a real there's a there's a real

[4:16:32] Trustee Luckham: future in a place that we can be where we can stand proudly on the work that this committee

[4:16:36] Trustee Luckham: and Council are doing.

[4:16:42] Voice 8: Okay, thank you, Peter.

[4:16:44] Voice 8: I'm just going to share a couple of thoughts.

[4:16:49] Voice 8: I see that, I mean, carrying capacity, of course,

[4:16:53] Voice 8: has got some issues as far as being

[4:17:01] Voice 8: the term that we use,

[4:17:04] Voice 8: but I think it's important that the concept is important.

[4:17:08] Voice 8: And so, although I see the staff report,

[4:17:11] Voice 8: you know it'd be relatively easy to remove the term i just wonder what how can we better define

[4:17:18] Voice 8: the concept um i'd rather reframe or rename it rather than remove it um because i think it's

[4:17:27] Voice 8: important that we're mindful of that concept and there's definitely there's some problems with that

[4:17:32] Voice 8: term and uh i i don't have an answer as as to a better alternative term at this moment but i

[4:17:38] Voice 8: I think it's important for us to keep thinking about.

[4:17:42] Voice 8: And then just one other quick note, which was

[4:17:46] Voice 8: when Trustee Colborne was talking about islands,

[4:17:52] Voice 8: other islands being able to opt into the

[4:17:55] Voice 8: Gabriel and Salt Springs specific directive policies.

[4:17:59] Voice 8: And my concern about that is that it may sort of create

[4:18:10] Voice 8: an idea that directive policies can be opted into

[4:18:13] Voice 8: and then potentially perhaps opted out of.

[4:18:16] Voice 8: And I just wanted to raise that

[4:18:17] Voice 8: as something that jumped out at me as a concern.

[4:18:23] Voice 8: I'm going to go to Director Frater next

[4:18:26] Voice 8: and then I see Delaney Hippler is up there too.

[4:18:30] Voice 8: So I'm going to start with Claire.

[4:18:32] Voice 10: Okay, thank you, Vice Chair Peterson.

[4:18:36] Voice 10: My question, I had a question around the suggestions

[4:18:39] Voice 10: from trustee Colburn around housing.

[4:18:41] Voice 10: And I think it would help staff to better understand

[4:18:43] Voice 10: specifically what he sees as inadequate in section 6.2

[4:18:47] Voice 10: and specifically policy 6.2.4.

[4:18:51] Voice 10: Cause I'm not sure based on what's been said

[4:18:53] Voice 10: that we're clear yet is the intention to remove

[4:18:57] Voice 10: the constraints in 6.2.4 to allow for unlimited development

[4:19:01] Voice 10: that doesn't respect those three kinds of constraints

[4:19:04] Voice 10: that we've added, or was there a different intent

[4:19:06] Voice 10: that we're, I just think a little bit more explanation as it speaks specifically to what's

[4:19:10] Voice 10: already been drafted might help us in responding to that concern or providing advice around it.

[4:19:18] Trustee Colbourne: Okay. I hear that. And can you give me a few minutes?

[4:19:21] Voice 10: Sure. That would be great.

[4:19:23] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah. I'm

[4:19:24] Trustee Colbourne: just, this agenda package doesn't have the specific area in it and I can't quite read that

[4:19:29] Trustee Colbourne: on the screen. So I'm just going to go

[4:19:30] Voice 10: ahead. Yeah. So page 31 of your package. Right. So that

[4:19:37] Voice 10: was my request at this point um and as you know you staff have said we can certainly um work to

[4:19:44] Voice 10: um around the words carrying capacity certainly we've noted in your briefing that we'll look

[4:19:48] Voice 10: towards a different way of addressing that topic great

[4:19:56] Voice 8: and uh scott if it's okay i'm gonna um go to

[4:20:00] Voice 8: uh delaney while you're looking that up oh

[4:20:03] Trustee Colbourne: absolutely please do

[4:20:05] Voice 8: delaney

[4:20:06] Voice 7: please thank you

[4:20:08] Voice 17: Thank you, Chair. So I thought it would be just helpful to give a bit of an overview of how we approached 6.2 and because we, as Claire mentioned, we'd be grateful for feedback on what is lacking here that that wouldn't be appropriate for Gabriela.

[4:20:23] Voice 17: um so in in um the first two parts we can we've identified that residential development across

[4:20:33] Voice 17: the trust area should be compact energy efficient and appropriately situated and that is with

[4:20:40] Voice 17: regards to um that equity consideration that we were told by housing advocates um that we need

[4:20:46] Voice 17: to address development writ large not just development for affordable housing and that's

[4:20:52] Voice 17: That's reflected in identifying floor area and lot coverage limits for new residential

[4:20:57] Voice 17: development.

[4:20:59] Voice 17: It's also reflected in assessing the impacts of short-term rentals.

[4:21:02] Voice 17: So we felt like we addressed that equity issue through those policies to the extent that

[4:21:08] Voice 17: it was possible, as well as through the advocacy policies to other government agencies.

[4:21:13] Voice 17: And then in terms of the specific policy 6.2.4, this policy is essentially directing local trust committees and island municipalities to identify areas that are appropriate for affordable housing developments within the constraints of the within the limitations of how we're sort of defining carrying capacity.

[4:21:37] Voice 17: And that is that they not jeopardize protected area networks, Indigenous cultural heritage, or freshwater sustainability.

[4:21:46] Voice 17: And I have taken a lot of the feedback about carrying capacities, but the no compromise zones is essentially what that means.

[4:21:56] Voice 17: So drawing limitations according to those three parameters.

[4:21:59] Voice 17: So one of our concerns with the proposed language was that those constraints have been taken out, and we weren't clear if the intention is that this policy would not apply to Salt Spring and Gabriola, or if those policies would be in addition.

[4:22:16] Voice 17: I wasn't quite clear about that.

[4:22:18] Voice 17: And the other thing I'd just highlight is that there was some really useful language

[4:22:22] Voice 17: in there, sort of preamble language, that certainly could strengthen the document, and

[4:22:27] Voice 17: we could include both in the earlier sections and in the preamble to Section 6.

[4:22:33] Voice 17: But we just would like more clarity about what is lacking here in terms of the Salt

[4:22:40] Voice 17: Spring and Gabriela context.

[4:22:42] Voice 17: text okay

[4:22:43] Trustee Colbourne: so thank you for that and again I as an editor and writer you know I we don't express

[4:22:51] Trustee Colbourne: our gratitude enough or awe at the work that's being done and it's it's difficult work my issue

[4:22:57] Trustee Colbourne: is 6.2.4 is it speaks only to housing development in terms of affordable housing in terms of

[4:23:02] Trustee Colbourne: multi-family dwellings and it it it leaves out the options of more innovative modern planning

[4:23:11] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of clusters of low impact housing, secondary accommodation on existing lots where

[4:23:24] Trustee Colbourne: there is the capacity to extend the number of humans, not necessarily coming from off islands,

[4:23:31] Trustee Colbourne: but just to recognize that there are a lot of people living in conditions that are

[4:23:34] Trustee Colbourne: termed illegal right now, and that there's an inability to appropriately and safely,

[4:23:40] Trustee Colbourne: safely affordably house people who are on the island so this this you've what's happened is

[4:23:45] Trustee Colbourne: and it also doesn't limit for market private housing it doesn't impose the same limitations

[4:23:50] Trustee Colbourne: on those as it does to affordable housing developments that's that's what we're trying

[4:23:55] Trustee Colbourne: to say is that it doesn't it sort of puts things into different categories depending on

[4:24:00] Trustee Colbourne: the user as opposed to the use okay

[4:24:05] Voice 16: that's not right

[4:24:06] Trustee Colbourne: and okay yeah oh i know that and so the

[4:24:10] Trustee Colbourne: the and and this would still this this is again about um how are you if you're looking at real

[4:24:18] Trustee Colbourne: checks and balances in terms of number of people and i agree with chair luckham you know it'd be

[4:24:23] Trustee Colbourne: better to sort of have um um real checks and balances um this doesn't get at some of the

[4:24:33] Trustee Colbourne: elements of the market forces and the fact that a lot of the islands are already carved up into

[4:24:38] Trustee Colbourne: to pieces that have an expectation or a build-out of the same type of housing that that um and so

[4:24:46] Trustee Colbourne: the the other the this wouldn't be left out the pieces that have been put forward for gabriel

[4:24:50] Trustee Colbourne: insults would be in addition to this um and uh this needs to be more uh broadly defined

[4:25:00] Trustee Colbourne: find and and so it's not just for what is a kind of common assumption that that affordable housing

[4:25:08] Trustee Colbourne: is an only multi-family condominium like development that that type of thing it's more

[4:25:13] Trustee Colbourne: a community responsibility and it's it's the fact that because of the equity and inclusion issues

[4:25:20] Trustee Colbourne: that have been endemic in the way the islands have been and or the lack of development permit

[4:25:24] Trustee Colbourne: areas or everything else that there's an imbalance in the current housing options okay

[4:25:36] Voice 8: uh thanks scott

[4:25:38] Voice 8: um i i saw delaney and i saw claire did either one of you to want to follow up on any of that

[4:25:44] Voice 8: before i move on and chair luck is your hand still up for real

[4:25:48] Trustee Luckham: oh well no i'm not but i am

[4:25:52] Trustee Luckham: posing a question that i'd like to ask if that would be all right and i'll lower my hand okay

[4:25:59] Trustee Luckham: it. So I'll go ahead with my question.

[4:26:05] Voice 7: Sure, go ahead.

[4:26:08] Trustee Luckham: I guess I'm grappling with, Scott,

[4:26:13] Trustee Luckham: what does that housing look like? Because I really struggle with some of the notions that

[4:26:23] Trustee Luckham: are out there. In fact, there was a great article in Atlantic Magazine, I think it was just recently

[4:26:27] Trustee Luckham: about tiny homes as being really inadequate long-term solutions to housing for people.

[4:26:33] Trustee Luckham: And not affordable, which is interesting enough and a two by four used to cost a buck 50 now seven bucks. So, what does that look like, I just need some help there to understand that it

[4:26:49] Trustee Colbourne: looks like the cooperative housing project on

[4:26:52] Trustee Colbourne: denman that's kind of you know um that it looks like places um and there are practical examples

[4:27:07] Trustee Colbourne: on the islands and i think the denman island one is the most practical in terms of cooperative

[4:27:11] Trustee Colbourne: approaches and low impacts um it looks like multi-generational being able to have caregivers

[4:27:19] Trustee Colbourne: and family close together to allow people to age in place with dignity it looks like housing that

[4:27:27] Trustee Colbourne: would allow for elders and residents from First Nations. It allows for solutions to come from the

[4:27:37] Trustee Colbourne: community in terms of how and where an increase in housing options or a movement of the ability

[4:27:46] Trustee Colbourne: to build residential units away from sites with cultural heritage, away from sites with low water

[4:27:53] Trustee Colbourne: capacity. We haven't mapped well enough to be able to do some of the planning to match the science

[4:27:59] Trustee Colbourne: them to match the the respectful space required for the remains of loved ones and cultural heritage

[4:28:07] Trustee Colbourne: sites and so you know i think the solutions are there what we're trying to avoid is a document

[4:28:18] Trustee Colbourne: that puts up barriers to solutions that come from the community and what's being identified here is

[4:28:24] Trustee Colbourne: that you don't need to do a you don't need to spell out specific solutions but at least provide

[4:28:29] Trustee Colbourne: a canvas and a framework where there's regional trust-wide support for that type of integrated

[4:28:40] Trustee Colbourne: solution this the 6.2.4 in isolation is too limiting okay

[4:28:51] Trustee Luckham: well thank you that's helped me

[4:28:53] Trustee Luckham: understand and that's terrific i'm not sure how we implement it in reality but it certainly allowed

[4:28:59] Trustee Luckham: me to grasp the concept and i agree with everything that you said that's a place to be so hopefully

[4:29:04] Trustee Luckham: Hopefully that's helped staff a little bit understand better.

[4:29:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for that.

[4:29:10] Voice 8: Yeah, thank you.

[4:29:11] Voice 8: And there's a bunch of hands up.

[4:29:14] Voice 8: I'm also conscious of we're at 1.30 and we're scheduled to 2 o'clock.

[4:29:18] Voice 8: So I'm going to go to the staff members that have their hands up first.

[4:29:22] Voice 8: So I'm going to go Director Frater, CAO Hudson-Piller, SIPA, Wilcox,

[4:29:30] Voice 8: and then I'll go to David Marler, and then Rogers and Crishley.

[4:29:36] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:29:36] Voice 10: I'll keep my short I just listening to Trustee Colburn I would say it's my view and I won't speak for all of the staff this is a real team effort that all of the things described as intentions was our intention that were already captured under 6.2.4 with the exception of the limitation on for market housing and within that that is somewhat addressed within the protected area network concept that we've put forward that

[4:30:00] Voice 10: Of course, we haven't got into the specific planning tools that could be applied there,

[4:30:03] Voice 10: but of course, downzoning is always an option to an LTC at any point in time, regardless

[4:30:07] Voice 10: of whether or not the policy statement is updated.

[4:30:09] Voice 10: So at any point, an LTC can initiate a project to implement some downzoning.

[4:30:14] Voice 10: There's, of course, a variety of other tools as well, ranging from development permit areas

[4:30:17] Voice 10: to some of the conservation tools available to the Conservancy and so on, that would act

[4:30:23] Voice 10: as a constraint on for-market housing and offer options to communities.

[4:30:27] Voice 10: communities but everything that I heard and I'll let the director of planning and perhaps Delaney

[4:30:32] Voice 10: and others who have more background I thought could be accomplished within the intention of

[4:30:36] Voice 10: 6.2.4 at this point we were not intending to limit it to class you know to multi-family or

[4:30:41] Voice 10: anything to that extent it was

[4:30:43] Voice 10: meant to be inclusive of secondary suites and cottages and

[4:30:46] Voice 10: all types of housing that could be made available as desired and leaving the options open to the

[4:30:51] Voice 10: local trust committees or other municipalities to implement locally okay

[4:30:59] Voice 8: great thanks Claire I'm

[4:31:01] Voice 8: I'm going to go to CEO Hudson-Pillar next.

[4:31:04] Voice 19: Thanks.

[4:31:05] Voice 19: Yeah, certainly, staff.

[4:31:06] Voice 19: Thanks, Mr. Chair.

[4:31:07] Voice 19: I've been really thinking this over.

[4:31:11] Voice 19: And, you know, almost every day what I do is I flip my mind around and pretend I'm a citizen and ask myself, how is whatever we're doing now going to end up rolling out?

[4:31:22] Voice 19: so I'm almost going to ask the staff a question the sentence in part six directive policies where

[4:31:28] Voice 19: it says no the OCPs shall be amended to not allow the increase of stock for for profit market

[4:31:37] Voice 19: housing did you get the public speaking to that issue and providing that direction in because

[4:31:47] Voice 19: that's a fairly profound concept and the other concept associated with that is quite often

[4:31:51] Voice 19: and the provision of different forms of housing is bundled with market housing so where would we

[4:31:58] Voice 19: end up with some proposal uh are we talking about where zoning comes forward to divide

[4:32:04] Voice 19: a piece of property in the and we return to this document that says no because the

[4:32:08] Voice 19: the ocps would not allow a market based solution so i think that's a fairly profound

[4:32:15] Voice 19: um i understand where it comes from but that's a significant consideration

[4:32:19] Voice 19: duration um in the two areas so i just want to see what depth of analysis from that perspective

[4:32:27] Voice 19: is that in our scope or out of scope or how how does that appear in this document all of a sudden

[4:32:32] Voice 19: um and get realized so i'd ask any of the staff if they've had

[4:32:40] Voice 17: perhaps i can speak to that and maybe david can weigh in as well um so this did come this was

[4:32:47] Voice 17: was proposed by Trustee Colburn and perhaps jointly with Trustee Rogers as part of the

[4:32:53] Voice 17: Affordable Housing Working Group. Planners Kojima and Director Marler explained some of the

[4:33:00] Voice 17: difficulties in enacting these and felt that they might actually be contrary to the intended goal

[4:33:06] Voice 17: of increasing the stock of affordable housing options. And so we, in the draft, the first draft

[4:33:14] Voice 17: that has been put before you, we refined it to hopefully address the intent of increasing the

[4:33:22] Voice 17: stock of available housing options and also addressing some of the other broader issues

[4:33:29] Voice 17: about development and footprints writ large. We have not received this feedback or recommendation

[4:33:35] Voice 17: from anyone in the public. It came solely from the working group. And Director Marla, perhaps you can

[4:33:42] Voice 17: can speak a bit more to that oh

[4:33:45] Voice 19: that helps me because i haven't read through every public

[4:33:48] Voice 19: submission but that's certainly a significant directive policy uh

[4:33:55] Voice 8: director marler would you

[4:33:56] Voice 8: like to weigh in here uh

[4:33:58] Voice 1: sure just on this particular um proposed policy the the problem

[4:34:05] Voice 1: i see with it right now is written is that in the local government act there is a requirement that

[4:34:11] Voice 1: local trust committees have to consider the housing needs over a five-year period. So we'd

[4:34:18] Voice 1: have to think about how this would work with that requirement. And, you know, I think I'm not sure

[4:34:26] Voice 1: how we would implement this through the LCPs to be consistent with the Local Government Act and

[4:34:34] Voice 1: also consistent with the Islands Trust Policy Statement. So if this does go in, I'd recommend

[4:34:39] Voice 1: I would recommend obviously a legal review of this particular policy and it may require tweaks to address that.

[4:34:46] Voice 1: And while I have the floor I just want to just comment generally on what I'm hearing.

[4:34:51] Voice 1: I heard a comment that, you know, the policy is taken by itself is problematic or it doesn't work, but none of the policies in the policy statement should be taken individually.

[4:35:06] Voice 1: They need to be read as part of the larger document and how it's meeting the goals.

[4:35:11] Voice 1: There's going to be conflicts between policies, and it will be up to local trust committees to determine how it would like to address those conflicts and then obviously convince trust counsel or the executive committee in this case, acting for trust counsel, that that still meets the analyst trust policy statement and is an appropriate way to go.

[4:35:29] Voice 1: And then finally, I just echo what Director Freighter said, is that 624, I don't read

[4:35:36] Voice 1: anything in this, and again, it's interpretive, that limits it to multifamily.

[4:35:41] Voice 1: So it does, I think, address everything that I heard from Trustee Coburn with respect to

[4:35:48] Voice 1: the different types of housing.

[4:35:50] Voice 1: It's in here, my understanding, is to raise up the whole issue of affordability or equity

[4:35:58] Voice 1: and housing and put it in the policy statement to provide that spotlight and say this is important

[4:36:04] Voice 1: and it is part of what we're about at the islands trust so yeah i think it covers what you're trying

[4:36:11] Voice 1: to do there okay thank you uh

[4:36:16] Voice 7: thank you director barler so i'm going to go next to trustees

[4:36:20] Voice 8: langer eyes then rogers then critchley yeah

[4:36:25] Voice 2: yeah thank you yeah no i was going to comment on 6.24

[4:36:28] Voice 2: for i did i as well didn't read it as just limited to multi-family affordable housing

[4:36:33] Voice 2: i think it's maybe the word developments it talks about where density increase to support

[4:36:39] Voice 2: safe secure and affordable housing developments would not adversely affect would the term just

[4:36:45] Voice 2: development in the sense of just talking about development as opposed to you know trust

[4:36:50] Voice 2: development as opposed to developments in a sense in the plural sense and that may ease that

[4:36:56] Voice 2: at a lack of clarity, I don't know.

[4:36:59] Voice 2: The other of course is, I don't know if it fits in or not,

[4:37:03] Voice 2: instead of saying development, saying options.

[4:37:11] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[4:37:12] Voice 8: Keys on to Trustee Rogers next.

[4:37:16] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, I won't repeat.

[4:37:18] Trustee Rogers: I was going to suggest that some form like options.

[4:37:21] Trustee Rogers: And I think the word of the focus on the word

[4:37:24] Trustee Rogers: on the term density is also probably where that conclusion,

[4:37:29] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to speak for Trustee Colburn but when the words development and density are there

[4:37:34] Trustee Rogers: it sort of is looking only at those kinds of options that might be available and there may

[4:37:42] Trustee Rogers: be others as Trustee Colburn wanted to say if I could just take one minute I want to

[4:37:47] Trustee Rogers: just sort of synthesize a thought that came up in the housing working group so you can understand

[4:37:53] Trustee Rogers: where some of this sentiment is coming from is if you look at the zoning that we have and the

[4:38:02] Trustee Rogers: OCPs and the land use bylaws, what you see is what becomes clear is there could be lots of

[4:38:11] Trustee Rogers: development on these islands that is the same as what we've already experienced. The old saying

[4:38:17] Trustee Rogers: goes if you do what you if you do what you've done you'll get what you got and so uh the reality is

[4:38:27] Trustee Rogers: is if we leave all of that zoning in place we often hear an argument um on a couple of the

[4:38:33] Trustee Rogers: islands against that are people who are opposed to uh housing development affordable housing

[4:38:39] Trustee Rogers: projects that oh well there's all these other lots over here that haven't been developed yet

[4:38:44] Trustee Rogers: and all their water rights will be affected as well.

[4:38:47] Trustee Rogers: And I'm going, so all those future people

[4:38:49] Trustee Rogers: have the right over the people

[4:38:52] Trustee Rogers: who might be actually in need of affordable housing.

[4:38:57] Trustee Rogers: So I think that's part of the sentiment

[4:38:59] Trustee Rogers: and the frustration that you're hearing

[4:39:01] Trustee Rogers: is I think we're trying to express

[4:39:06] Trustee Rogers: that there needs to be a different lens

[4:39:08] Trustee Rogers: so that it doesn't continue the type of development

[4:39:12] Trustee Rogers: because I think the concern is,

[4:39:15] Trustee Rogers: it's just going to carry on in the trajectory

[4:39:17] Trustee Rogers: that's going on right now.

[4:39:19] Trustee Rogers: And I heard Chair Luckham talk about,

[4:39:21] Trustee Rogers: you know, housing booms and increases in population.

[4:39:25] Trustee Rogers: I'm hearing a lot on provincial committees

[4:39:27] Trustee Rogers: about people wanting the desire to come.

[4:39:31] Trustee Rogers: We need to identify the areas we want to protect,

[4:39:34] Trustee Rogers: the interests and the rights of Indigenous people

[4:39:37] Trustee Rogers: that need to be protected,

[4:39:37] Trustee Rogers: and then consider what kind of development we want to see in the future so that's where some

[4:39:44] Trustee Rogers: of this is coming from

[4:39:49] Voice 8: thanks trustee rogers i'm going to go to uh staff member lisa wilcox next

[4:39:55] Voice 8: and then i will go to um david critchley and uh and case is your hand up again or or is that a

[4:40:04] Voice 8: a holdover okay lisa wilcox please um

[4:40:11] Voice 16: i'm actually not sure how to address the comments some of the

[4:40:16] Voice 16: comments that were made um i think when we look at what's happened on the islands

[4:40:23] Voice 16: there hasn't been any engagement with first nations where they said we want more housing

[4:40:27] Voice 16: it didn't really it didn't really make any difference what form it came in um having

[4:40:35] Voice 16: Having been forcibly removed from the islands, I know that nations may, in future, as their treaty, as they reach final agreements on treaty and receive land back through disposition and accommodation on islands,

[4:40:52] Voice 16: they may want to enter into doing market housing on the islands with partners.

[4:41:00] Voice 16: And that's something that the Islands Trust will need to look at and address.

[4:41:05] Voice 16: And so I don't see concerns in how the clause is written in being able to create secondary suites or secondary housing or clustered housing or allowing for elders to live with people that, you know, in homes with their loved ones.

[4:41:32] Voice 16: However, I would caution that those are some of the things that have created the most harm to Indigenous communities.

[4:41:43] Voice 16: The density on lots is not just one house on most properties.

[4:41:49] Voice 16: It's multiple houses spread out with impacts to the land.

[4:41:53] Voice 16: So this, any impact to the land is impacting First Nations.

[4:42:00] Voice 16: I think this ensures that these things are addressed and identified through the initiatives that we have planned and in cooperation with First Nations to ensure that we are making these things identifiable so that people can feel and have certainty when they are building or planning to develop, whether it's affordable housing or other forms of housing,

[4:42:27] Voice 16: that the property and what they're doing is situated appropriately in relation to these

[4:42:33] Voice 16: aspects and that we reduce or eliminate the destruction of cultural heritage in the area

[4:42:42] Voice 16: but it it requires us to identify and that was told to us back in 1970 that we were required

[4:42:49] Voice 16: to identify these values and we didn't do a particularly good job of it. So I would be

[4:42:58] Voice 16: concerned that the term carrying capacity, even though we as staff say we can remove it,

[4:43:04] Voice 16: is a term that came to us from First Nations. They said that the islands have reached carrying

[4:43:11] Voice 16: and capacity they feel that further settlement of settlers on the islands is impacts them greatly

[4:43:22] Voice 16: and and actually makes it so that they can't go back to where they want to go but obviously

[4:43:30] Voice 16: there's balances and so that's what we've tried to create in these housing policies is the balance

[4:43:35] Voice 16: between what nations are hoping and their desires and also that protection and also how other people

[4:43:45] Voice 16: want to live on the islands so thank

[4:43:52] Voice 7: you lisa um trustee critchley next thank

[4:43:58] Trustee Critchley: you first of all i'd

[4:44:01] Trustee Critchley: like to thank chair luckham for his remarks of some while back now but speaking to the

[4:44:09] Trustee Critchley: issues that we are currently facing in terms of market forces. I share his view that we

[4:44:17] Trustee Critchley: maybe as an organization are a little naive to how quickly this change can occur. The pressures

[4:44:29] Trustee Critchley: that are on us are on the land, on development. These forces I would describe as hydraulic.

[4:44:38] Trustee Critchley: hydraulic they create tremendous irresistible force and we have to be aware of that we're on

[4:44:47] Trustee Critchley: the threshold now of momentous change that will be irreversible we do not start tearing down

[4:44:56] Trustee Critchley: houses or developments it's never been done growth is is one directional so um i'm very

[4:45:07] Trustee Critchley: That's where I'm coming from, first of all. And I'm hearing from various, a number of people increasingly, that there are islands within our trust area that are at or past or near capacity right now.

[4:45:23] Trustee Critchley: So we're not talking about looking five years or 10 years into the future. We're talking about the present. And what can we do about it? What can we do to stop it getting worse?

[4:45:35] Trustee Critchley: anyway um that's that's leads me to this issue of carrying capacity but before i want before i go to

[4:45:44] Trustee Critchley: carrying capacity i want to just back up to the affordable housing uh provision there 6.2.4

[4:45:51] Trustee Critchley: and um i see it being well intentioned but i have some concerns about unintended consequences from

[4:46:00] Trustee Critchley: it for because it's talking about identifying appropriate locations uh for affordable housing

[4:46:07] Trustee Critchley: essentially and so what is the inference from that that if if a property is not on the list

[4:46:15] Trustee Critchley: so to speak um then it's excluded from consideration it won't it won't get to first

[4:46:23] Trustee Critchley: base in terms of a rezoning for affordable housing purposes um that that actually puts

[4:46:30] Trustee Critchley: it's more constraints in the way of developing affordable housing. My observation, and I've

[4:46:39] Trustee Critchley: worked with some committees before becoming a trustee on affordable housing, the biggest problem

[4:46:44] Trustee Critchley: is finding some piece of land that, you know, A, is affordable, and B, is not in the agricultural

[4:46:54] Trustee Critchley: cultural land reserve uh that's a big problem on denman and if you can find a donor who will

[4:47:03] Trustee Critchley: donate the land or make a partial donation or swap some densities and things like that that's

[4:47:11] Trustee Critchley: what we have been looking at recently in terms of getting projects off the ground is through

[4:47:17] Trustee Critchley: density swapping and i think that if you put constraints on where it's going to be and there

[4:47:25] Trustee Critchley: There are two fine constraints.

[4:47:27] Trustee Critchley: You limit affordable housing opportunities.

[4:47:32] Trustee Critchley: For example, looking at the carrying capacity of groundwater regions.

[4:47:36] Trustee Critchley: Well, if we are required to do that, first of all, we're going to involve staff in a lot more work, which will take away from other things.

[4:47:48] Trustee Critchley: If we're just looking at carrying capacity of groundwater for, say, multifamily affordable housing developments.

[4:47:58] Trustee Critchley: Also, to what use?

[4:48:02] Trustee Critchley: I mean, if you've got a project that comes forward like the one did on Denman for Denman Green, it was entirely based on rainwater harvesting.

[4:48:12] Trustee Critchley: So the carrying capacity of the groundwater region becomes irrelevant in that context. If we are prepared to continue with that, which was a bit of an ad hoc policy at the time, to say that, yes, captured rainwater is fresh water for the purposes of the trust policy statement.

[4:48:34] Trustee Critchley: uh you know i i put forward motions on that i'm not sure that that's the right way we should go

[4:48:41] Trustee Critchley: uh you know it was useful for the moment for that project and for affordable housing a very good

[4:48:48] Trustee Critchley: well-intentioned project but is it the right thing for the trust overall that's a different question

[4:48:55] Trustee Critchley: and i know staff have traditionally looked upon the limitations of groundwater as being

[4:49:01] Trustee Critchley: being a natural barrier to excessive development. And I think there's legitimacy to that point of

[4:49:09] Trustee Critchley: view. Anyway, from those points, I want to move to carrying capacity. I mentioned earlier that

[4:49:15] Trustee Critchley: I'm concerned about that because it's something that I don't well understand. However, the idea

[4:49:23] Trustee Critchley: of having some defined term or concept that will not merely guide us, but create some visible

[4:49:33] Trustee Critchley: barriers, you know, guardrails, places where we can go no further. If it's well spelled out,

[4:49:45] Trustee Critchley: then I'm fine with having carrying capacity. But what I'm hearing from other people, like

[4:49:51] Trustee Critchley: Director Margaret said, well, it can mean many things to many people. But well, can we come up

[4:49:55] Trustee Critchley: with a definition that's acceptable to us in the context of the Islands Trust? Maybe we can. So I'm

[4:50:02] Trustee Critchley: not absolutely opposed to this idea of carrying capacity. Maybe we need an in-house definition

[4:50:09] Trustee Critchley: of carrying capacity. But for me, it has to be a very bright line kind of definition so that we

[4:50:18] Trustee Critchley: we can understand it. Apart from that, what other, you know, lines in the sand can we draw?

[4:50:26] Trustee Critchley: I've suggested a couple in my paper, which you won't have had the benefit of reading,

[4:50:31] Trustee Critchley: but, you know, one of which, and it's alluded to in the section, is talking about appropriate

[4:50:37] Trustee Critchley: floor area. And, you know, can we agree? Can we put something in that would be trust-wide?

[4:50:46] Trustee Critchley: I I conceptually uh abhor the idea of treating islands differently within the trust area I think

[4:50:56] Trustee Critchley: we have one trust area one mandate to preserve and protect it's to preserve and protect all of

[4:51:02] Trustee Critchley: them we don't give up on on one um our policy should be throughout the trust in my view that's

[4:51:09] Trustee Critchley: fundamental. So a floor area, can we say 250 square meters, you know, thou shalt not go beyond

[4:51:18] Trustee Critchley: that. That would have some effect, I think, on market, you know, that the super wealthy would

[4:51:27] Trustee Critchley: not be coming here to build their 10,000 square foot, 20,000 square foot, or in Bill Gates case,

[4:51:32] Trustee Critchley: case 66 000 square foot residents um so that's one thing we could do also what about the number

[4:51:42] Trustee Critchley: of dwellings per hectare of trust area you know maybe it's an outrageous concept but it's a simple

[4:51:53] Trustee Critchley: one and you know is there a biological basis for it i suspect there is you know we could get

[4:51:59] Trustee Critchley: biologists involved and inform the decision making on that where we would draw a line

[4:52:04] Trustee Critchley: but it would be a very bright line and it would be a signal to everyone this you know thou shall

[4:52:10] Trustee Critchley: go no further you know you know developing this precious area anyway those are kind of core

[4:52:19] Trustee Critchley: concepts for me and uh that's all i want to throw out for your consideration at the moment thank

[4:52:23] Trustee Critchley: you thank

[4:52:28] Voice 8: you david uh just i'm just going to make a couple quick comments myself here uh before we

[4:52:34] Voice 8: we move on um did you know the pressures of the market development on islands um you know in a

[4:52:42] Voice 8: lot of ways uh liskiti has often felt like we've dodged the bullet but i'll tell you right now

[4:52:49] Voice 8: there's a number of properties that are for sale on the island here that are going for big bucks

[4:52:56] Voice 8: and and that only accelerates the whole thing and you know even with Liskiti's 10 acre minimum

[4:53:05] Voice 8: a lot of us here are are looking at the potential of what could happen based on these market forces

[4:53:10] Voice 8: and it's it's really pretty alarming and eye-opening the other thing I wanted to say

[4:53:16] Voice 8: quickly is that thanks Lisa for sharing that the carrying capacity

[4:53:23] Voice 8: came to us from the First Nations

[4:53:26] Voice 8: because that definitely changes the way I'm thinking about it.

[4:53:29] Voice 8: And in that sense, I think that it might be useful for us to,

[4:53:37] Voice 8: as David Crishley said, to better define it

[4:53:41] Voice 8: in a way that satisfies more of our concerns

[4:53:45] Voice 8: and that also um you know can be uh referred to first nations and make sure that we're

[4:53:55] Voice 8: we're working together on that definition that we're we're both we're we're all understanding

[4:54:00] Voice 8: it from a similar place um that's all i'm going to say for now i'm going to point out we're at

[4:54:06] Voice 8: five minutes to two we're scheduled to two o'clock um i know some people are going to have

[4:54:12] Voice 8: other other things they need to do and so I'm mindful of that and I just like

[4:54:19] Voice 8: to before I go on to the rest of the speakers list I'm just going to mention

[4:54:26] Voice 8: that if anybody has any specific direction or bird you know resolutions

[4:54:31] Voice 8: they want to put on the table to give staff some direction out of this

[4:54:35] Voice 8: discussion you know prior to our next meeting I think that staff would

[4:54:40] Voice 8: would probably like to have some of that if anybody's there i understand you know there's a

[4:54:46] Voice 8: lot a lot going on here and uh it's been a great discussion however onward so i'm going to go to

[4:54:51] Voice 8: lisa wilcox and then delaney and then i see trustee colburn after that yeah

[4:55:03] Voice 16: i just think

[4:55:03] Voice 16: oh i had my hand raised but i think it's supposed to be down now so i don't have any additional

[4:55:08] Voice 16: comments other than really thanking all of the trustees that we have read through each and every

[4:55:16] Voice 16: every comment. And we will be going back and making changes and making amendments and that

[4:55:25] Voice 16: we are here. I'm here to support providing extra understanding about the engagement with First

[4:55:33] Voice 16: Nations. I'm always available if you'd like to call or send me a note to discuss some of the

[4:55:41] Voice 16: difficult and more challenging aspects that may have that arise sometimes on these discussions so

[4:55:48] Voice 16: and especially about reconciliation so that it supports always there to provide to you

[4:55:57] Voice 16: thank

[4:56:00] Voice 7: you for that lisa um the lani yes

[4:56:06] Voice 17: uh thank you so just in the interest of time i was trying

[4:56:09] Voice 17: to think of like what might effectively move us forward and give staff the necessary guidance

[4:56:14] Voice 17: uh to bring back a draft a next draft to you so obviously we've only talked about one mate or one

[4:56:21] Voice 17: or two major uh recommendations here but this was the one that was most difficult for staff

[4:56:27] Voice 17: um based on what we've heard from the committee so far and i really thank you for the discussion

[4:56:33] Voice 17: it's helpful to understand your thinking more um i think what what we like what feels possible

[4:56:40] Voice 17: as a drafter at this stage would be to look at this content,

[4:56:45] Voice 17: take a lot of the preamble notions

[4:56:49] Voice 17: and insert that into the preambles

[4:56:51] Voice 17: and the document to strengthen it.

[4:56:54] Voice 17: Some of this language is really useful

[4:56:55] Voice 17: in terms of just identifying the issues around housing.

[4:56:59] Voice 17: The directive policies themselves,

[4:57:02] Voice 17: with the exception of this one,

[4:57:04] Voice 17: like, so this we feel is already addressed

[4:57:08] Voice 17: addressed in what is presented. And doesn't this does not contain the constraints. And so it would

[4:57:16] Voice 17: not be an integrated approach in that in that respect. So I'm not sure how this would sit alone

[4:57:21] Voice 17: in addition to the other policies that are in there. So I think we would need specific motions

[4:57:27] Voice 17: from the committee to around these. But broadly speaking, I think one of the ways that we can

[4:57:34] Voice 17: could address some of the concerns is perhaps to put in a broader commitment of trust council

[4:57:39] Voice 17: that gets at the overall sort of strategic approach that I'm hearing is being called for

[4:57:46] Voice 17: and we've done that in some of the other stewardship policies so we could perhaps use

[4:57:51] Voice 17: some of that language to to sort of indicate a trust-wide commitment to addressing this issue

[4:57:57] Voice 17: and I would just also highlight and I think we need to bring more information to you at your

[4:58:04] Voice 17: next meeting that the creation of protected area networks would include a number of planning tools

[4:58:11] Voice 17: that would address some of what has been discussed today including possibilities of density transfer

[4:58:17] Voice 17: and um clustering and down zoning because that has been proposed by the working group as well

[4:58:26] Voice 17: so these trustee critchley talked about needing to identify guardrails lines in the sand these

[4:58:34] Voice 17: are the guardrails and lands in the sand that we have identified based on all the feedback

[4:58:39] Voice 17: that we have received so this represents our version of an a truly integrated approach

[4:58:45] Voice 17: and i think we can strengthen it based on what we've heard today but if there is a will

[4:58:49] Voice 17: from the committee to include these directive policies I think we would need specific direction

[4:58:57] Voice 17: as it doesn't fall in line with our overall approach and we would also need to seek legal

[4:59:02] Voice 17: review so I just highlight those two things thank

[4:59:08] Voice 7: you I'm gonna go uh Colburn Luckham Fenton

[4:59:13] Trustee Colbourne: thank you everybody um so just to own the fact I'm not a land use planner and involved in the

[4:59:20] Trustee Colbourne: workshop pro in the in the work in the housing working group you know put forward the first time

[4:59:26] Trustee Colbourne: these two director policies they are linked before they were linked to indigenous housing and as well

[4:59:32] Trustee Colbourne: and that's that was removed in subsequent drafts they were linked to housing needs assessments and

[4:59:38] Trustee Colbourne: basing it on data so if your island is in core housing need then this is the way you respond so

[4:59:43] Trustee Colbourne: they we've adapted them in the course of a week you know and and we're not land use planners and

[4:59:47] Trustee Colbourne: we look to staff, here's our intent, here's what we're trying to get at, you know the regulatory

[4:59:51] Trustee Colbourne: framework better, please help us get to the outcomes that we're talking about. So I'm not

[4:59:57] Trustee Colbourne: going to put these forward today in this process now.

[5:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: as something that i think we need to vote on i i hope you hear the intent and it's translated i i

[5:00:05] Trustee Colbourne: want to speak to um trust rogers really nailed something for me here it was um the unrealized

[5:00:12] Trustee Colbourne: potential of already zoned already committed to types of housing that are single-family

[5:00:19] Trustee Colbourne: for-profit market housing and to speak to the fact that if we get into carrying capacity when you're

[5:00:26] Trustee Colbourne: counting the number of humans there's a real potential to get to to get in the way of

[5:00:31] Trustee Colbourne: reconciliation and other equity diversity inclusion measures because that number may be what's already

[5:00:38] Trustee Colbourne: here and there's an imbalance in the housing options there's an imbalance in the demographics

[5:00:42] Trustee Colbourne: there's an imbalance in generations there's there's some imbalances and my concern is that

[5:00:50] Trustee Colbourne: that would then be a barrier to nation's decision making we're not in a space where we're making

[5:00:56] Trustee Colbourne: these decisions with nations. I think we need to go to the province and ask for that space to be

[5:01:01] Trustee Colbourne: created. We're seeing some irreconcilable differences in what the outcomes are and

[5:01:08] Trustee Colbourne: the tools that we have. The mandate of the Islands Trust needs to be interpreted.

[5:01:15] Trustee Colbourne: Some of the letter writers have gotten at unique amenities and defining it and we're going back

[5:01:19] Trustee Colbourne: and debating ourselves and you know what this is the province's mandate. It's an era of

[5:01:23] Trustee Colbourne: of reconciliation. We know more than we did. We know the science better. We need to know these

[5:01:28] Trustee Colbourne: places better and ground our decisions in the place. So my concern with caring capacity is that

[5:01:33] Trustee Colbourne: it could be used for inequitable purposes instead of being a more ecological footprint and size of

[5:01:42] Trustee Colbourne: houses and everything else is still an increase. So my concerns with caring capacity come down to

[5:01:47] Trustee Colbourne: and equity issues there's already um capacity of a certain types of housing for certain folks

[5:01:54] Trustee Colbourne: you know what that that is not the direction to equity diversity inclusion and my conclusion from

[5:02:02] Trustee Colbourne: this process is we need to go to province i'm going to go to the province i'm going to ask

[5:02:06] Trustee Colbourne: others to go with me to to ask that um some of these broader issues be addressed so we can

[5:02:12] Trustee Colbourne: make a safe respectful space for for how we do this planning and i just thank everyone for the

[5:02:17] Trustee Colbourne: the conversation and um um for the for the learning that we're continuing to do together

[5:02:26] Trustee Colbourne: hey thank you peter

[5:02:29] Trustee Luckham: luckham oh gosh uh thank you um so many things to think about um you know um

[5:02:38] Trustee Luckham: in many respects we're talking about global social change which um i think is outside of

[5:02:45] Trustee Luckham: the mandate but nonetheless very worthy aspirations. Okay so I'm just recalling now

[5:02:56] Trustee Luckham: the reason I put my hand up is because I have talked at this committee and I talked at RPC

[5:03:01] Trustee Luckham: and I've talked for years about artificial reefs and I will apologize to everybody I have yet to

[5:03:07] Trustee Luckham: submit something to Delaney and but I got great support yesterday at RPC and so my question is

[5:03:14] Trustee Luckham: should I be raising that now? Do you need a motion to adapt, provide, you know, provide edits around

[5:03:22] Trustee Luckham: the artificial reef concept, or can I get that into you and that'll become somehow merge into

[5:03:29] Trustee Luckham: whatever you've got going? And I think I articulated the message better yesterday,

[5:03:34] Trustee Luckham: and so maybe I'll just say that right now, is that the artificial reefs in my mind is a flawed

[5:03:39] Trustee Luckham: odd restriction. The restriction should be around ocean dumping and that if there's a necessity

[5:03:45] Trustee Luckham: for artificial reefs, it needs to be ecologically sound and out of natural materials in my mind

[5:03:51] Trustee Luckham: and have a rational justification before other than just tourism. Anyway, I'd like staff to

[5:04:01] Trustee Luckham: comment on, have I missed the boat here? What should I do?

[5:04:04] Voice 17: Through the chair, perhaps I could

[5:04:06] Voice 17: respond yeah okay um yeah so uh chair luckham that would be it would be fine uh we don't need

[5:04:15] Voice 17: a motion for that unless anybody in this committee has um opposition for any reason to changing uh

[5:04:21] Voice 17: refining that policy we uh uh chair luckham raised that at rpc there was some broad support so uh we

[5:04:29] Voice 17: feel like we can refine that and bring it back to you in the next draft great

[5:04:35] Voice 8: thanks delaney um

[5:04:37] Voice 8: Trustee Fenton, please.

[5:04:39] Trustee Fenton: Thank you, Chair.

[5:04:41] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, this whole conversation brings me back to a struggle with that.

[5:04:45] Trustee Fenton: Back to the title of this section is housing, which to me is an affordable housing.

[5:04:56] Trustee Fenton: It's ill-named, and it doesn't encompass this conversation for the most part.

[5:05:02] Trustee Fenton: but so what I'm suggesting is what if we were potentially

[5:05:05] Trustee Fenton: changing this to equity and sustainable housing?

[5:05:11] Trustee Fenton: So it opens the door to a broader conversation,

[5:05:17] Trustee Fenton: you know, and equity being social, economic

[5:05:19] Trustee Fenton: and the environment as one thing,

[5:05:22] Trustee Fenton: or does it need to stay housing for something,

[5:05:26] Trustee Fenton: a reason I don't understand at this point in time.

[5:05:29] Trustee Fenton: any

[5:05:34] Voice 8: staff want to comment on that or should we keep moving here keep moving uh i see lisa

[5:05:42] Voice 8: oh

[5:05:43] Voice 16: well i think if we were addressing issues of equity we we really need to take time and

[5:05:50] Voice 16: consideration to to think about what that means because for us to define that um we haven't gone

[5:06:00] Voice 16: gone out and done any form of engagement with the public or with groups that are concerned

[5:06:09] Voice 16: about equity, inclusion, diversity, disability. All of these things are things that we would need

[5:06:17] Voice 16: to go and talk to people about and groups and organizations because for us to define these

[5:06:25] Voice 16: things and to assume that we know what it is and what it means is really difficult. It falls under

[5:06:32] Voice 16: the same process that we did with reconciliation in the past. We might have assumed or thought we

[5:06:38] Voice 16: knew what First Nations wanted or desired, but we never actually went out and engaged with them

[5:06:44] Voice 16: until this first new draft year. So those things would take time and expertise where we would have

[5:06:52] Voice 16: have to go out and focus our specialized attention on that to ensure that we are getting it right

[5:06:59] Voice 16: and actually allowing the space for that voice and versus just assuming that we understand what

[5:07:07] Voice 16: that voice is and we never had that focus on this reiteration of the policy statement and I think

[5:07:15] Voice 16: that's why we want to make sure that we're not uh reconciliation is not the same as equity and

[5:07:23] Voice 16: inclusion and diversity those are two separate concepts so we may have done a very um

[5:07:33] Voice 16: you know humble meaningful and respectful engagement on reconciliation but it that

[5:07:41] Voice 16: that didn't mean that we did that on equity, inclusion, and diversity. And Indigenous people

[5:07:50] Voice 16: don't fall into that category. They don't feel that they fall into that category themselves.

[5:07:56] Voice 16: They are sovereign nations and people that feel they have inherent rights protected under the

[5:08:03] Voice 16: Constitution. So we wouldn't want to mix the two, and we wouldn't want to assume that because we

[5:08:08] Voice 16: had done one form of engagement that it covers over the other form of engagement as well we would

[5:08:14] Voice 16: want to be meeting with each of those um each of those islanders and population to ensure that we

[5:08:24] Voice 16: are getting it right um and being respectful um of that voice so yeah

[5:08:34] Voice 8: thank you thank you lisa that's

[5:08:36] Voice 8: that was very thoughtfully put um i'm just going to note that we're now at 10 after two

[5:08:42] Voice 8: We do have a couple more things on our agenda and I just want to get a sense of uh where people are

[5:08:49] Voice 8: at um do you want to continue to plow on um on this or or do we feel like we're gonna does anyone

[5:08:59] Voice 8: have any specific direction for staff they want to propose um Doug

[5:09:07] Voice 7: will you say something no yeah

[5:09:11] Trustee Fenton: No, I was just, I'm just saying thank you to this whole, that whole explanation, because what I'm trying to say, or I was trying to do, is open the door for the conversation that we need to have that we haven't had yet.

[5:09:22] Trustee Fenton: So what you're saying is this is a purposeful restraint based on the information and homework done to date, and we can come back to that and express that at that time, once we've done the groundwork.

[5:09:34] Trustee Fenton: So that's great. It explains and fills in the void. I'm happy with it now. Thank you.

[5:09:44] Voice 8: Okay. So I'm just going to ask if there's anybody with any resolutions or direction for staff or,

[5:09:55] Voice 8: okay, I'm not seeing any. And then how are we feeling for continuing this conversation? We

[5:10:06] Voice 8: I feel like we've spent a lot of time on this so far and I would like us to

[5:10:12] Voice 8: move on, but so if there's anyone strongly needs to say anything else on

[5:10:17] Voice 8: this, at this point,

[5:10:21] Voice 8: I see Scott is your hand still up or is it up again?

[5:10:26] Trustee Colbourne: My hand is, it should be down. I've said way too much.

[5:10:30] Trustee Colbourne: It's difficult

[5:10:30] Voice 3: to group all these

[5:10:31] Trustee Colbourne: comments together. I do agree with Lisa.

[5:10:33] Trustee Colbourne: sometimes we say things back to back and it wasn't to connect them it was to bring up points that we

[5:10:38] Trustee Colbourne: have to do in a very concise way and we're already past time so i'll stop yeah stop

[5:10:43] Voice 8: okay well that

[5:10:46] Voice 8: being the case i'm going to move us on to new business i don't see any new business we do have

[5:10:52] Voice 8: a a bunch of we have a fair bit of correspondence about 21 pages of correspondence is there

[5:11:00] Voice 8: there anything specific anyone wants to address in the correspondence at this time? Okay.

[5:11:17] Voice 8: That being the case, it could move on to 12.1, the Trust Programs Committee Work Program.

[5:11:28] Voice 8: And Claire?

[5:11:29] Voice 10: I'm happy to speak to this. This is your

[5:11:31] Voice 10: work program as it stood at your last meeting. We just want to check if this is how you would

[5:11:36] Voice 10: like it to be presented to Trust Council. Staff do not have any changes to recommend at this point

[5:11:42] Voice 10: except for perhaps amending some of the completion dates but I believe the priorities represent what

[5:11:49] Voice 10: we're working on.

[5:11:52] Voice 8: Any questions for the Director on the work program? No. And Claire did you

[5:12:00] Voice 8: did you need a resolution for us to forward this to Trust Council? Yes please.

[5:12:08] Voice 8: and anyone ready to make that motion for us i'll

[5:12:11] Trustee Rogers: move that uh trust program

[5:12:13] Voice 8: rogers yes i'll move

[5:12:14] Trustee Rogers: that uh trust program committee forward its work program to trust council

[5:12:22] Voice 8: excellent do i have a

[5:12:23] Voice 8: second trustee longer eyes and so motion is made and seconded any further discussion on the motion

[5:12:34] Voice 8: I'll call for the vote

[5:12:36] Voice 8: electronic hands please all in favor

[5:12:38] Voice 8: okay thank you

[5:12:47] Voice 8: hands down please

[5:12:49] Voice 8: and any opposed

[5:13:00] Voice 8: excellent so that

[5:13:01] Voice 8: carries thank you very much

[5:13:03] Voice 8: that brings us on

[5:13:07] Voice 8: to next meeting which

[5:13:10] Voice 8: we have a

[5:13:11] Voice 8: special meeting

[5:13:13] Voice 8: so Friday

[5:13:15] Voice 8: June 15th is not our next meeting

[5:13:17] Voice 8: we're going to be meeting on

[5:13:18] Voice 8: on, sorry, we're going to be meeting on June 15th.

[5:13:25] Voice 3: I

[5:13:26] Voice 8: said, I don't have it on my calendar yet.

[5:13:28] Voice 8: So June 15th will be our next meeting, special meeting.

[5:13:34] Voice 8: And that looks like we have got to adjournment.

[5:13:43] Voice 8: Excellent conversation, thank you everyone.

[5:13:46] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair.

[5:13:48] Voice 8: I move we adjourn.

[5:13:49] Voice 8: Okay, okay, any objections to adjournment?

[5:13:55] Voice 8: okay well we'll thank you during the meeting then thank you thank you everybody for your

[5:13:59] Voice 2: good conversations thank you okay

[5:14:04] Voice 10: thank you everyone thank you