Islands Trust Programs Committee regular meeting, June 15, 2021

[0:00:06] Voice 14: And we're now done. We are live streaming and broadcasting.

[0:00:10] Trustee Morrison: Perfect. Thank you so much.

[0:00:13] Trustee Morrison: All right. So good morning, trustees and members of the public.

[0:00:18] Trustee Morrison: I see we have a number of folks here.

[0:00:21] Trustee Morrison: We're broadcasting and prepared to start the meeting.

[0:00:24] Trustee Morrison: I'd like to call this meeting of the Trust Programs Committee this June 15th, 2021 to order.

[0:00:33] Trustee Morrison: I'd like to begin by acknowledging with respect that we're grateful to be able to gather together

[0:00:38] Trustee Morrison: within the locations across the traditional and treaty territories of the Coast Salish

[0:00:43] Trustee Morrison: people.

[0:00:43] Trustee Morrison: I offer members of the trustees and staff opportunity to name in the chat where they

[0:00:51] Trustee Morrison: are coming in from to acknowledge the treaty and territorial areas.

[0:00:56] Trustee Morrison: If they go ahead and do that in the chat and make sure you're doing it so the attendees

[0:01:00] Trustee Morrison: can see too that would be great thank you um i'm deb morson chair of the trust programs committee

[0:01:06] Trustee Morrison: elected here on north pender island um joined today by members of the trust programs committee

[0:01:12] Trustee Morrison: and staff of the islands trust um and i will just do a quick whip around if i can um if folks can

[0:01:21] Trustee Morrison: unmute when i call your name so be prepared for that um and just name who you are and your island

[0:01:26] Trustee Morrison: and trustee peterson hi

[0:01:33] Voice 19: uh tim peterson from luskete island and uh territories of many coast

[0:01:38] Voice 19: salish peoples and the treaty territory of the tlaman nation thank

[0:01:43] Trustee Morrison: you trustee fenton

[0:01:44] Trustee Fenton: hi doug fenton uh thetis island uh traditional territories of penelope and lilacson

[0:01:52] Trustee Morrison: thank you trustee kale uh

[0:01:55] Voice 26: michael kale uh from bowen island and i'm also a municipal

[0:02:00] Voice 26: Councilor on the island.

[0:02:02] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Rogers. Yes. Did you say

[0:02:09] Voice 27: me? Oh, sorry. That's

[0:02:13] Trustee Rogers: okay. We're maybe the same. Maybe people mistake us, Casey. Privileged to be joining you from the

[0:02:21] Trustee Rogers: traditional territory. I'm from the Lactines, Keats Island in Howe Sound, Alcott. Trustee

[0:02:27] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langerheis.

[0:02:29] Voice 27: Case Langerheis from Gabriola Island, the territory of the Sinema First Nation.

[0:02:36] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Colburn.

[0:02:39] Voice 11: Yeah, Scott Colburn, Gabriola Local Trust Area and Sinema First Nation is where I'm joining from.

[0:02:45] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Critchley.

[0:02:49] Trustee Critchley: That's David Critchley on Denman Island, also known as Klaasdaich.

[0:02:55] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Brent.

[0:02:57] Voice 9: Saterno Island, known as Tektexin to the Senchausen Speaking Peoples.

[0:03:04] Trustee Morrison: thank you um chair luckham good

[0:03:07] Trustee Luckham: afternoon uh here on uh thetis island and uh that is uh

[0:03:11] Trustee Luckham: laxon and penelope territory thank you thank

[0:03:14] Trustee Morrison: you ceo hodson's pillar hi

[0:03:18] Voice 13: it's russ hodson pillar

[0:03:19] Voice 13: i'm speaking to you from lakongan speaking people's area thank

[0:03:23] Trustee Morrison: you director marler hi

[0:03:26] Voice 25: good afternoon i'm uh in victoria in the lagongan territory nice to see you thank you thank you

[0:03:33] Voice 21: Director Prater. Good afternoon. I'm coming from the Victoria office in the territory of the

[0:03:38] Voice 21: Lekwungen-speaking peoples. Thank you.

[0:03:43] Voice 16: Lisa Wilcox.

[0:03:52] Voice 3: I'm muted, sorry. Cheqmahath,

[0:03:55] Voice 3: Queensland, coming to you from the Lekwungen-speaking peoples territory.

[0:04:01] Voice 3: My name is Lisa Wilcox. I'm the senior intergovernmental policy advisor.

[0:04:10] Trustee Morrison: Hi

[0:04:11] Voice 4: there and good afternoon everyone, Delaney Hipla, Senior Policy Advisor with Islands Trust.

[0:04:16] Voice 4: Grateful to be joining today from the territory of the Tlahoos, Pla'Aman and Hamalko Nations.

[0:04:23] Voice 4: Thank you and Robert Barlow.

[0:04:28] Voice 14: Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk and your recorder

[0:04:31] Voice 14: today for the meeting and I'm grateful to be living and working in the territory of

[0:04:37] Voice 14: to the speaking people.

[0:04:41] Trustee Morrison: Thank you all.

[0:04:45] Trustee Morrison: We're grateful for the ability to have electronic meetings.

[0:04:47] Trustee Morrison: We're reducing our carbon footprint

[0:04:49] Trustee Morrison: that trustees and staff and the public also

[0:04:53] Trustee Morrison: don't have to travel as we're honoring the provincial health

[0:04:55] Trustee Morrison: orders and guidelines during the pandemic.

[0:04:58] Trustee Morrison: Like members of our staff who are now working from home,

[0:05:00] Trustee Morrison: all of you are connecting to this meeting today,

[0:05:02] Trustee Morrison: have different types of equipment and connections.

[0:05:04] Trustee Morrison: The meeting may have challenges, though they're getting fewer

[0:05:07] Trustee Morrison: and farther between.

[0:05:08] Trustee Morrison: tweet. And we're learning and improving as we go. So if we need to, you know, have any technical

[0:05:17] Trustee Morrison: challenges, we hope that you understand and are supportive. I ask that everyone mute their mics

[0:05:23] Trustee Morrison: when they're not speaking to reduce the risk of audio disruptions during the meeting. We appreciate

[0:05:28] Trustee Morrison: and understand your assistance in this meeting situation, and we apologize in advance for any

[0:05:33] Trustee Morrison: technical issues that may come up, though we know it's the reality of our digital world these days.

[0:05:38] Trustee Morrison: I also want to add that this is a place of employment and public gathering despite the fact that many trustees, staff and others are in their homes, everyone has a right to a safe and respectful workplace and that will be deeply respected.

[0:05:51] Trustee Morrison: Thank you for your patience today and we appreciate any understanding that may be needed in these unprecedented times.

[0:05:58] Trustee Morrison: All right. So we have before us an agenda. Are there any new items for the agenda or any reordering?

[0:06:12] Voice 16: OK. Seeing

[0:06:13] Trustee Morrison: no digital hands, no waving hands.

[0:06:18] Trustee Morrison: Did I get Director Breder? I think I got Director Breder introducing.

[0:06:24] Trustee Morrison: Yes, I did. OK. Sorry. I just wanted to check. I had a note.

[0:06:27] Trustee Morrison: so okay um but thanks for checking um okay so new items for reordering seeing none i will go ahead

[0:06:38] Trustee Morrison: and ask for approval of the agenda by consent if there's no opposition to that okay we'll go um

[0:06:47] Trustee Morrison: chair luckham did you have anything to add no

[0:06:50] Trustee Fenton: okay you

[0:06:51] Trustee Morrison: unmuted so i like immediately just leaned in

[0:06:54] Trustee Morrison: And it's like leaning forward in a meeting when you unmute.

[0:06:57] Trustee Morrison: All right, adoption of the minutes for prior meetings.

[0:07:03] Trustee Morrison: We have a meeting from May 14th.

[0:07:05] Trustee Morrison: Are there any changes to the meeting minutes?

[0:07:11] Trustee Morrison: Okay, seeing no changes,

[0:07:13] Trustee Morrison: we'll go ahead and adopt those minutes by consent.

[0:07:17] Trustee Morrison: All right, since I'm looking on two screens,

[0:07:20] Trustee Morrison: I assume if you have dissent,

[0:07:22] Trustee Morrison: you will wave me down or like speak up

[0:07:24] Trustee Morrison: in this particular moment.

[0:07:25] Trustee Morrison: it all right so no resolutions without me no resolution without meeting it's been a long day

[0:07:33] Trustee Morrison: today sorry town hall um we do have a number of folks here and i'm just wondering if any of um

[0:07:41] Trustee Morrison: the people here would like to speak so if you can raise your hand if you'd like to speak in

[0:07:46] Trustee Morrison: our town hall portion of the meeting um robert barlow will be happy to move you into a speaking

[0:07:53] Trustee Morrison: ability. So I see we have Mr. Sketch.

[0:08:00] Voice 14: That's correct. There's only one that has put up their

[0:08:02] Voice 14: hand, Michael Sketch. Would you like me to promote him to be a panelist? Yes, please.

[0:08:12] Trustee Morrison: All right. And to ensure that we get through all our meetings, we will have about three minutes or

[0:08:19] Trustee Morrison: so for each speaker. And I will flag you down. But I think people are pretty good at that. Okay,

[0:08:25] Trustee Morrison: go ahead. If you can unmute.

[0:08:31] Voice 23: Can you hear me?

[0:08:32] Trustee Morrison: Perfect. Go ahead. Thank you.

[0:08:35] Voice 23: i have to get my screen up sorry right trust programs committee and staff current revision

[0:08:47] Voice 23: 2.0 for the trust policy statement was published four days ago and this is the first opportunity

[0:08:53] Voice 23: for public comment following from my oral delegation submission to council a week ago

[0:08:59] Voice 23: i have four overview comments in three quarters of a page point one the 37 page version 2.0 document

[0:09:09] Voice 23: is a valuable workbook which will inform staff

[0:09:12] Voice 23: and public advice givers and land use decision makers

[0:09:17] Voice 23: as to ongoing council commitments, advocacy

[0:09:21] Voice 23: and preserve and protect intentions.

[0:09:24] Voice 23: The very best policy material can be used

[0:09:27] Voice 23: in a compact statement of general policies

[0:09:30] Voice 23: to carry out the object of the trust.

[0:09:32] Voice 23: That is as required at section 15 of the act.

[0:09:36] Voice 23: Act. Please see the appendix to my submission to council a week ago. Draft 2.0 gives no policy

[0:09:46] Voice 23: clarity to the word environment. The public understands that a rationale for the Act is

[0:09:53] Voice 23: the relationship between 1. the predominantly rural built environment, 2. a more dense urban

[0:10:01] Voice 23: urban built environment, and three, the natural environment.

[0:10:06] Voice 23: My third point, I argue that draft 2.0 is ineffective

[0:10:12] Voice 23: when trust policies won't direct the day-to-day staff advice

[0:10:16] Voice 23: and land use decisions in local trust areas.

[0:10:20] Voice 23: My point four, please direct revision

[0:10:24] Voice 23: of the policy statement by-law

[0:10:25] Voice 23: before any consideration of first reading.

[0:10:29] Voice 23: Thank you.

[0:10:30] Voice 23: Thank

[0:10:31] Trustee Morrison: you. All right. We have Alex Hodson, if you'd like to move him over for comments.

[0:10:53] Voice 16: All right. Can

[0:10:54] Voice 29: you hear me? Yes. Yes. I have to say that I don't think that policy or the

[0:11:02] Voice 29: amendment 2.0 is any better than the 1.0 in that it doesn't protect the very things that are being

[0:11:10] Voice 29: threatened um there's i have problems with unique amenities still i don't know it hasn't been

[0:11:18] Voice 29: defined what they are uh what context they're in are they incinerators and or airports are they

[0:11:24] Voice 29: or are they the natural environment uh is it the environment is not defined to be natural so it

[0:11:32] Voice 29: could mean build out or man-made the carrying capacity has been taken out of without any

[0:11:38] Voice 29: definitive replacement or measurable framework instead the wording when you say advancing the

[0:11:45] Voice 29: island's trust object is preeminent duty of the trust council again preserving and protecting

[0:11:51] Voice 29: the unique amenities and the environment in the trust area well i refer back to my last comment

[0:11:56] Voice 29: you have not defined unique amenities nor the environment is not is it man-made or natural

[0:12:03] Voice 29: If the carrying capacity is removed, what will replace it as a definitive and measurable framework, individual and collective, to all the islands?

[0:12:17] Voice 29: because one impact on one island maybe is disastrous on another um the there should be

[0:12:27] Voice 29: no increases on some of the islands that are in at the place of uh environmental health at that

[0:12:34] Voice 29: point the tipping point uh there should be no decreases there should be a moratorium placed

[0:12:40] Voice 29: on numbers carrying capacity should be uh maybe tied to population or um scientific

[0:12:53] Voice 29: assessment each island must have a cap on population and a plan to limit capacity by nature

[0:12:59] Voice 29: islands have limited resources and we're seeing this we're seeing destruction and we're seeing

[0:13:06] Voice 29: being that the water situation is a constant concern.

[0:13:12] Voice 29: There is a lack of scientific data, which is driving policy.

[0:13:16] Voice 29: Trustees may have an understanding of housing,

[0:13:18] Voice 29: but few have scientific environmental knowledge or training.

[0:13:23] Voice 29: Trustees are being asked to make major decisions

[0:13:25] Voice 29: that involve fragile ecosystems, forest, water recharge area,

[0:13:30] Voice 29: and these decisions are contributing to the destruction of the natural environment.

[0:13:33] Voice 29: Many are simply not qualified and do not have the skill set to make these important decisions.

[0:13:41] Voice 29: We need an independent team of environmental scientists, biologists, protection officers, and so on to be involved in the final decision on whether density increases should be made.

[0:13:51] Voice 29: As it stands, important decisions right now are being made based on fuzzy, old, or incomplete data provided by professionals that are being paid by the applicant or the developer.

[0:14:05] Voice 29: Last, the precautionary principle has always been the guiding principle of the trust and is wholly supported and encouraged by the Trust Act.

[0:14:14] Voice 29: And yet to date, this has mostly been ignored.

[0:14:16] Voice 29: This principle should always be a deciding factor when it comes down to protecting the fragile ecosystems and each rezoning decision and increasing density must be guided by environmental scientists, fact-based data, a natural environment checklist or a framework.

[0:14:35] Voice 29: work. As it stands, the trust appears to be involving themselves in technical issues that

[0:14:42] Voice 29: they have no jurisdiction over, such as the size of houses or the building code. Moreover, they do

[0:14:49] Voice 29: not provide any means for enforcing any of the policy statements or seem to understand and follow

[0:14:55] Voice 29: them. They mistakenly follow the professional reliance model and report surveys that are paid

[0:15:01] Voice 29: for by the developer or the proponent, rather than involving specialists who reports are based

[0:15:07] Voice 29: on feet on the ground, measurable and current scientific data. Important decisions are being

[0:15:13] Voice 29: made on land use from self-centered developer-centric reports in which the data is fuzzy,

[0:15:18] Voice 29: out of date, and frequently incorrect. And other professionals are not allowed to criticize these

[0:15:25] Voice 29: reports. Trustees are then making important decisions to rezone based on this input.

[0:15:32] Voice 29: The ITE has no jurisdiction to override senior legislation unless given written permission.

[0:15:39] Voice 29: Trustees continue to make uneducated and emotional mistakes that affect the natural

[0:15:44] Voice 29: environment in all the islands. The problem lies with the ambiguity of the policies. There is no

[0:15:50] Voice 29: measurability and no accountability. It does appear that the only power the Trust holds

[0:15:59] Voice 29: is in the creation of new densities. The only way we can stop the destruction of the natural

[0:16:05] Voice 29: environment on the islands is to stop creating densities and make the environment over all else

[0:16:13] Voice 29: an absolute priority.

[0:16:16] Voice 29: The Canadian Environmental Protection Act, Bill C-28,

[0:16:20] Voice 29: is the first environmental law that recognizes the right

[0:16:24] Voice 29: to a healthy environment.

[0:16:26] Voice 29: Thank you.

[0:16:27] Trustee Morrison: Thank you, Alex.

[0:16:30] Trustee Morrison: Prince Attorp, please.

[0:16:45] Voice 2: Hello, hello, can you hear me?

[0:16:47] Trustee Morrison: Yes, go ahead, Prince.

[0:16:49] Voice 2: Okay, sorry, I'm not a very good technician here.

[0:16:52] Trustee Morrison: That's okay.

[0:16:53] Trustee Morrison: okay

[0:16:53] Voice 2: um i don't have everything nicely written but here i go uh 3.1.2 uh it says trust council

[0:17:02] Voice 2: commits to place priority on preserving and protecting the integrity of the environment

[0:17:07] Voice 2: and indigenous cultural heritage and all decision making i think by now everybody realizes that

[0:17:13] Voice 2: environment standing alone uh can mean either the bill for the natural environment this has

[0:17:18] Voice 2: has to be clarified you need the word natural in there uh otherwise it renders everything pretty

[0:17:25] Voice 2: much meaningless um you can't separate the natural environment from indigenous cultural heritage

[0:17:32] Voice 2: um i mean called an indigenous cultural heritage is more than just middens petroglyphs or burial

[0:17:40] Voice 2: grounds because like where did those shells come in the middens they came from clams and clam beds

[0:17:49] Voice 2: and crustaceans in the ocean and if that ocean health is compromised well that's not indigenous

[0:17:58] Voice 2: culture protecting indigenous cultural heritage so it goes beyond symbols it goes into the whole

[0:18:05] Voice 2: natural environment they're married at the hip um michael sketch has been put some good stuff

[0:18:13] Voice 2: together about the balance there needs to be a balance between the built and the natural

[0:18:18] Voice 2: environment but when overall ecosystem health is in decline natural environment must have priority

[0:18:24] Voice 2: so i think what michael sketch something along those lines needs to be considered

[0:18:31] Voice 2: Yes, as Alex just stated, there needs to be scientific data on ecosystem health.

[0:18:41] Voice 2: Let's take this Fulford Harbor development that just have been...

[0:18:45] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to ask, actually, that we not discuss specific pieces in

[0:18:49] Voice 2: the commentary.

[0:18:50] Voice 2: Okay, let's just talk about general development in Fulford Harbor then.

[0:18:54] Voice 2: In general, you cannot look at any specific development without looking at the overall health of the whole harbor.

[0:19:05] Voice 2: So what I believe David Rapport, he's a consultant who is consulted for the Islands Trust.

[0:19:14] Voice 2: He uses the words individual and cumulative effects.

[0:19:22] Voice 2: effects so individual and cumulative effects those are important words and i think they should be put

[0:19:29] Voice 2: in the trust policy statement somehow because just to tell um ltcs that they have to look beyond just

[0:19:38] Voice 2: each individual application it has to look at the whole ecosystem go back 100 years or before

[0:19:46] Voice 2: before settler times, and look at Fulford Harbour.

[0:19:52] Voice 2: The life there must have been just stunning, just stunning.

[0:19:56] Voice 2: And yet, you know, the life there is, there's a shellfish closure there.

[0:20:03] Voice 2: And in other parts of Salt Spring too.

[0:20:06] Voice 2: Why is there a shellfish closure?

[0:20:08] Voice 2: Because the ecosystem is not healthy.

[0:20:11] Voice 2: So how can you add even more burden, human burden, to an ecosystem that is already failing?

[0:20:19] Voice 2: This is the point.

[0:20:21] Voice 2: And this is why the trust must study the individual and cumulative effects of human activities.

[0:20:29] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:20:30] Voice 2: And Michael also talks about, sorry, last point here.

[0:20:33] Voice 2: um the notion that a local jurisdiction can pick and choose trust area policies to suit

[0:20:41] Voice 2: and set aside those that don't with reason okay that should not be allowed uh you know this type

[0:20:50] Voice 2: of federal governance model um so i would say no i support michael on that point too

[0:20:57] Voice 2: and uh yeah thanks for listening to me i will continue writing to you and uh that's all thank

[0:21:05] Voice 2: you thank

[0:21:06] Trustee Morrison: you so much france and if we can have jennifer margeson moved over go ahead jennifer

[0:21:22] Voice 16: and unmute here we go

[0:21:35] Voice 5: sorry looked a little different than before can you go

[0:21:39] Voice 5: ahead yep we

[0:21:40] Voice 5: can hear you thank

[0:21:41] Voice 5: you um i i i do concur with what i heard from the last two speakers and i

[0:21:48] Voice 5: I would just like to add, as a relatively new student

[0:21:51] Voice 5: over the past three years of this crucial topic

[0:21:54] Voice 5: of the trust policy statement,

[0:21:56] Voice 5: it has been a challenge on my island, Galliano,

[0:21:59] Voice 5: to understand how the natural environment

[0:22:01] Voice 5: is being prioritized over the built environment.

[0:22:04] Voice 5: As I had always understood was the mandate

[0:22:07] Voice 5: of the Islands Trust since its inception in 1974.

[0:22:11] Voice 5: And as someone born on the coast,

[0:22:13] Voice 5: I've been very aware of the Islands Trust all my life,

[0:22:16] Voice 5: or since 1974 anyway not that young but however in reviewing the the draft 2.0 of the new policy

[0:22:26] Voice 5: statement I am unable to find definitive policies that make clear the difference between the natural

[0:22:32] Voice 5: and the built environments and where the natural environment is given priority. Problem one is

[0:22:40] Voice 5: being witnessed in actuality on many islands I hear including my own as development pressures

[0:22:45] Voice 5: continue to escalate and we probably haven't seen anything yet there is

[0:22:51] Voice 5: little understanding in the way of any development and the trustee and planners

[0:22:57] Voice 5: little there's little standing in the way of any development and the trustees

[0:23:02] Voice 5: and planners role appears appears to facilitate that problem two seems to be

[0:23:08] Voice 5: that trust planning and the planners do not appear to have placed an emphasis on

[0:23:15] Voice 5: having requisite environmental education and expertise and that the Victoria Street planning

[0:23:23] Voice 5: staff appear to be in charge. There is no regional manager of trust area environmental protection

[0:23:31] Voice 5: for example as far as I know or any environmental protection staff other than the freshwater

[0:23:38] Voice 5: specialists again as far as I've been able to ascertain. As I saw recently from the three

[0:23:45] Voice 5: planner's job descriptions where only in planning officer n27 is there any mention of the role in

[0:23:52] Voice 5: environmental protection and even then it only states including and i'm quoting evaluating

[0:23:58] Voice 5: impacts on environmental and socio-economic resources end of quote page one and another

[0:24:08] Voice 5: Another quote, undertakes reviews of topical policy issues related to island communities, such as ecological protection, foreshore management, home occupations, short-term vacation rentals, tourism, and economic development, climate change, and affordable housing.

[0:24:27] Voice 5: Unquote, page two.

[0:24:29] Voice 5: The environment hardly seems to have any priority when included in that last long list of such topics.

[0:24:36] Voice 5: Over the past three years of attending Galliano LTC meetings, I have been disabused of my original naive assumption that the number one accountability of the regional planner, the local planner, or the LTC would be to protect the natural environment above all, when considering proposed built developments.

[0:24:59] Voice 5: For the immediate attention of this meeting, it does seem to me that Michael Sketch, in his recent presentation to Trust Policy Council, came up with a very good draft for 1.1.4 that would help, I believe, correct the course of this big shift towards a more precautionary principle.

[0:25:20] Voice 5: and that is when considering changes in island trust use which would augment the built environment

[0:25:27] Voice 5: at the expense of the natural environment trust policies should give priority to the preservation

[0:25:33] Voice 5: and protection of the natural environment simple and straightforward not too many words to be

[0:25:41] Voice 5: misunderstood or misinterpreted and clear and specific direct directives should be in place

[0:25:48] Voice 5: in the TPS to support that as was supported

[0:25:53] Voice 5: by the public engagement process results for this review.

[0:25:58] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:25:59] Trustee Morrison: Thank you, Jennifer.

[0:26:03] Trustee Morrison: All right, if there are no other first time speakers,

[0:26:07] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to ask that we go ahead and move from the hall

[0:26:12] Trustee Morrison: to our next item on the agenda,

[0:26:14] Trustee Morrison: but I'll just give it a second.

[0:26:16] Trustee Morrison: And I just want to thank those of you who were able,

[0:26:23] Trustee Morrison: Oh, I see one more person here. David Bird. David's moving over into the speakers.

[0:26:30] Trustee Morrison: I do want to thank folks for being able to come and talk to us. This is a great opportunity to

[0:26:36] Trustee Morrison: discuss specifically details around the trust policy statement. So Robert, if we can give David

[0:26:41] Trustee Morrison: Bird over. All

[0:26:53] Trustee Morrison: right, David, if you can go ahead. There you go. You're unmuted. Go ahead.

[0:26:57] Trustee Morrison: Thank

[0:26:57] Voice 6: you very much. I read with some confusion, I think, of the draft policy statement and the avoidance of using definitions.

[0:27:09] Voice 6: definitions. It could be that I simply misunderstand what the statement is, but my understanding

[0:27:18] Voice 6: or my interpretation is that there was an avoidance to provide definitions because that

[0:27:25] Voice 6: is a colonial or non-Indigenous way of thinking. However, having a common set of commonly understood

[0:27:35] Voice 6: terms what does this mean and have all parties understand equally what it should mean is more

[0:27:42] Voice 6: important I think in fact essential for a document like this for everyone to understand its meaning

[0:27:47] Voice 6: it shouldn't be contextual in the sense that each person can provide it their own interpretation of

[0:27:52] Voice 6: a term because then we would each leave the policy statement having a different understanding of what

[0:28:00] Voice 6: it means and that would be highly uh it would lead to more conflict and confusion and lack of

[0:28:08] Voice 6: common movement all

[0:28:13] Trustee Morrison: right thank you for sharing all right so we will go ahead and continue at

[0:28:22] Trustee Morrison: this time um thank you all for being able to come and share your thinking um we have no delegations

[0:28:34] Trustee Morrison: and I'm going to move on to trust council business here which for this meeting is primarily around

[0:28:42] Trustee Morrison: the new policy statement and all right so I'm going to ask actually for a second I'm juggling

[0:28:54] Trustee Morrison: like four documents here I'm going to ask for a second if Director Frater would introduce us a

[0:29:01] Trustee Morrison: little bit into this briefing. I do want to just say, and I don't know if Vice Chair Peterson wants

[0:29:07] Trustee Morrison: to add anything to this, but in terms of thinking about how we're engaging in this conversation,

[0:29:13] Trustee Morrison: I do want us to think about what is going to move us forward to the best possible first reading

[0:29:20] Trustee Morrison: object for people to be able to take and think about, particularly at our June or July 8th

[0:29:27] Trustee Morrison: meeting. So that's kind of our goal. At the end of this meeting, whatever's kind of going out the

[0:29:31] Trustee Morrison: door is hopefully something that can be productive for conversations on the July 8th meeting.

[0:29:38] Trustee Morrison: So we should hash out any other areas of disagreement we may have if they look like

[0:29:43] Trustee Morrison: they'll be in conflict in that space. Trustee Peterson, did you want to add anything before

[0:29:47] Trustee Morrison: Director Rader leads us in?

[0:29:51] Voice 19: Yeah, thank you, Chair. Yeah, I just wanted to, I mean, thank

[0:29:57] Voice 19: I want to thank everybody for their contributions.

[0:30:00] Voice 19: far the public and all the members of of this committee um trustees in general and especially

[0:30:05] Voice 19: staff for their hard work and in terms of process and where we are and where we're going i just want

[0:30:10] Voice 19: to remind the committee and everybody really like that um first reading is is uh uh it's a big

[0:30:19] Voice 19: milestone but it's actually the space between first reading and second reading is actually a

[0:30:26] Voice 19: a really important time for more substantive amendments.

[0:30:33] Voice 19: And that we have done a lot, there's been a lot of input

[0:30:37] Voice 19: and staff has taken a lot of effort to try

[0:30:40] Voice 19: and incorporate all the input so far.

[0:30:47] Voice 19: And that really, my hope is that we're gonna get

[0:30:52] Voice 19: to the july uh special meeting and and proceed with first reading and and it's you know just

[0:31:00] Voice 19: that people understand that the process first reading is the beginning of the rest of the

[0:31:06] Voice 19: process there's there's a lot of um there's a lot of uh uh room there's gonna be a lot more public

[0:31:15] Voice 19: engagement coming up here so uh this the state that this draft is in that 2.0 before first

[0:31:21] Voice 19: reading i think is actually really um really tremendous there's just the amount of work that's

[0:31:28] Voice 19: gone into it and this is before first reading so there's you know the process is still unfolding

[0:31:34] Voice 19: here so let's just have faith in in the process a bit too uh and it's uh we're

[0:31:40] Voice 18: not writing anything

[0:31:40] Voice 18: in stone at this point so thank you all

[0:31:46] Trustee Morrison: right before director freighter goes i just want to

[0:31:48] Trustee Morrison: welcome in trustee mcconkey i see he's joined nice to see you thanks ben for for being here and

[0:31:53] Trustee Morrison: And sorry, we couldn't get it late enough for school day.

[0:31:55] Trustee Morrison: So thanks for being here.

[0:31:59] Trustee Morrison: Trustee, or sorry, director, look at you, you're trustee now.

[0:32:01] Trustee Morrison: Director

[0:32:02] Voice 21: Frater, go ahead.

[0:32:04] Voice 21: Thank you very much.

[0:32:05] Voice 21: I'm going to be turning this over to our senior policy advisor, Hippola, to do the detailed

[0:32:10] Voice 21: introduction for you.

[0:32:11] Voice 21: But just wanted to say that there's been a great deal of listening happening.

[0:32:15] Voice 21: We've really been hearing from a diverse point of views and trying to integrate all those

[0:32:20] Voice 21: views into the document and bring them together.

[0:32:22] Voice 21: And I would also echo what we heard from Vice Chair Peterson around there's a long runway ahead of us to hear from diverse perspectives, including you will see in the briefing, the public referral agencies and nations.

[0:32:36] Voice 21: So there's a lot more discussion and input to come. But we've done our very best to provide you with a draft that reflects what we've heard so far.

[0:32:45] Voice 21: And there's been a great deal of work happening.

[0:32:47] Voice 21: I just want to acknowledge that for trustees in terms of the staff effort that's gone into this

[0:32:51] Voice 21: to get us to this point and we're just this is a very exciting time for me as some of you know

[0:32:55] Voice 21: it's been more than a decade that I've been striving towards us getting an updated document

[0:33:00] Voice 21: that more reflects our current values and realities of the trust area so I'm really

[0:33:05] Voice 21: pleased to see this and I think it could be a very big step forward and putting our

[0:33:09] Voice 21: money where our mouth is around reconciliation and really you know meaning what we say

[0:33:13] Voice 21: and really doing some really good work so with that i think i'll hand over to our senior policy

[0:33:19] Voice 21: advisor and i'm happy to support as necessary or answer any questions thank

[0:33:25] Voice 4: you director freighter

[0:33:26] Voice 4: um thank you trustees and thanks to all the members of the public who are joining us today

[0:33:32] Voice 4: and for your um words in the town hall uh we always appreciate your feedback and as director

[0:33:38] Voice 4: Frater mentioned, we have been listening for some months now to a number of sources of input. So

[0:33:46] Voice 4: the draft that is before you, Trust Programs Committee, today is draft 2.0, which reflects

[0:33:53] Voice 4: over 18 months of engagement with First Nations, the public, as well as substantive policy analysis,

[0:34:01] Voice 4: research and discussion at the Trust Programs Committee level, at this committee level,

[0:34:05] Voice 4: level inside of the working groups that were established

[0:34:08] Voice 4: on reconciliation, climate change, and affordable housing,

[0:34:11] Voice 4: and at executive committee and trust council.

[0:34:14] Voice 4: So this is our best attempt at reflecting all of that feedback

[0:34:20] Voice 4: in an integrated way.

[0:34:23] Voice 4: And it also reflects, this most recent draft

[0:34:25] Voice 4: reflects similarly feedback from committees

[0:34:28] Voice 4: that we received since draft 1.0.

[0:34:31] Voice 4: And so it reflects some of the feedback

[0:34:34] Voice 4: back from trustees within this committee,

[0:34:37] Voice 4: within executive committee and regional planning committee.

[0:34:41] Voice 4: And we also shared draft 1.0

[0:34:43] Voice 4: with the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[0:34:45] Voice 4: So it reflects some of that discussion as well.

[0:34:48] Voice 4: I won't go over all the changes in detail.

[0:34:50] Voice 4: They're noted in your draft.

[0:34:51] Voice 4: I'm assuming you've all, or sorry, in your briefing,

[0:34:54] Voice 4: I'm assuming you've all read that.

[0:34:57] Voice 4: So at this stage, I just say that we feel very confident

[0:35:00] Voice 4: that this draft reflects the engagement we've received to date and we're now keen to send it

[0:35:07] Voice 4: back out into the public realm so that we can get engagement on the specifics because our engagement

[0:35:13] Voice 4: to date has been very broad on sort of values and policy directions now we actually want to get to

[0:35:20] Voice 4: a stage where we have a draft that we can seek more specific feedback on and so that we can

[0:35:25] Voice 4: provide an engagement platform that solicits a wide array of voices from the public, from nations,

[0:35:34] Voice 4: as well as all our over 100 referral agencies and partners. And so I really thank Vice Chair

[0:35:40] Voice 4: Peterson for your words about the process. I would agree that the phase between first reading

[0:35:46] Voice 4: and second reading is actually the most substantive and we want to ensure that there's

[0:35:50] Voice 4: adequate time and proper process so that we we really hear this next round of of feedback

[0:35:58] Voice 4: so this is the draft that we'll be presenting to executive committee on June 23rd and I think at

[0:36:06] Voice 4: this stage we'd just be happy to answer any questions that you might have and go from there

[0:36:12] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:36:18] Voice 16: And just

[0:36:20] Trustee Morrison: to clarify, um, director Freider and Delaney, um, I feel like I need a staff

[0:36:25] Trustee Morrison: member. Delaney is not quite the right way to frame it, but the amazing Delaney, um, um, just

[0:36:32] Trustee Morrison: to clarify if there are particular changes either that we've been hearing for the last few weeks

[0:36:37] Trustee Morrison: related to, um, input from our communities or, um, that we've heard today, are there,

[0:36:46] Trustee Morrison: There is there, I mean, to my understanding, there is a process we can do that here, but

[0:36:52] Trustee Morrison: we need to be cautiously limited in how we apply that process would be my sort of guidance

[0:36:58] Trustee Morrison: for today that it's, it would, I would try to keep it to things that are sort of major

[0:37:03] Trustee Morrison: items that we feel are going to be contentious at trust council and that we want to resolve

[0:37:07] Trustee Morrison: here or that are in that nature.

[0:37:12] Trustee Morrison: so I think that would be my caveat on no changes today I'm not saying there would be no changes

[0:37:18] Trustee Morrison: today just to keep them to things that we really would need um is that true or is that not true

[0:37:26] Voice 21: I'm happy to speak to that I think we've brought you a document that integrates all that we've

[0:37:30] Voice 21: heard from a whole variety of perspectives so as I think we're happy to support you through those

[0:37:35] Voice 21: discussions um as as suggestions come up we're happy to provide advice about how it might integrate

[0:37:40] Voice 21: great with the document that's you know to be read as a whole document um so we'll support you

[0:37:44] Voice 21: through those discussions and see um what the suggestions might be and how they might fit into

[0:37:48] Voice 21: the document or whether they might need analysis to provide you with really thoughtful input around

[0:37:53] Voice 21: how they might fit in okay

[0:37:56] Trustee Morrison: that's terrific um all right so trustee brent would you like to start us

[0:38:01] Trustee Morrison: off i

[0:38:03] Voice 9: would indeed so i'm uh quite concerned and i don't share the same uh opinion as trustee

[0:38:11] Voice 9: Peterson. I think bringing a document that was released for the first time seven weeks ago

[0:38:17] Voice 9: to first reading in under three weeks without having that document viewed by our public

[0:38:26] Voice 9: is inappropriate. I think we live in a participatory democracy. We've had 18 months

[0:38:34] Voice 9: of discussing broad concepts starting with what do you feel about what how the islands would look

[0:38:41] Voice 9: in 2050 given that we have a declared uh we have a statement of reconciliation and declared a climate

[0:38:48] Voice 9: emergency so little wonder that we got back a lot of feedback on that i've shared this second draft

[0:38:56] Voice 9: with a number of people on our islands plural and and they're shocked they're they're shocked at

[0:39:05] Voice 9: how much change there is and i i am frankly very worried that we go to first reading which in

[0:39:13] Voice 9: effect embeds the document before we take this out to our public so i'm going to make a motion

[0:39:19] Voice 9: and i'm going to move that trust programs committee recommends to trust council that

[0:39:24] Voice 9: that the first reading of the draft policy statement

[0:39:26] Voice 9: scheduled for the trust council special meeting July 8th

[0:39:29] Voice 9: be deferred until such time as the actual draft document

[0:39:33] Voice 9: be presented to all local trust areas

[0:39:36] Voice 9: and Bowen Island municipality

[0:39:38] Voice 9: for public consultation and feedback.

[0:39:42] Voice 16: Can I have a seconder?

[0:39:45] Trustee McConchie: Yes.

[0:39:46] Trustee McConchie: Okay,

[0:39:49] Trustee Morrison: I have a seconder and Trustee McConkie

[0:39:51] Trustee Morrison: and if I can just ask folks

[0:39:53] Trustee Morrison: to just raise hands or wave on that one.

[0:39:56] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so give me one second,

[0:39:57] Trustee Morrison: and I just have to get a grip of our speakers list

[0:39:59] Trustee Morrison: before we move on to this.

[0:40:00] Trustee Morrison: And

[0:40:01] Voice 9: who would I email?

[0:40:02] Trustee Morrison: Hold on, hold on one second.

[0:40:03] Trustee Morrison: Who would I

[0:40:03] Voice 9: email that to, Deb?

[0:40:06] Trustee Morrison: Robert Barlow.

[0:40:07] Voice 9: Okay, I will do that right now.

[0:40:09] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:40:11] Trustee Morrison: All right, so, and if you can also

[0:40:14] Trustee Morrison: just drop it in the chat to him,

[0:40:15] Trustee Morrison: he can pick it out of the chat if you have it.

[0:40:18] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so right now I have Trustee Brent on a motion

[0:40:21] Trustee Morrison: and then Trustee Critchley,

[0:40:22] Trustee Morrison: I'm gonna just put you on the list to come back to you.

[0:40:25] Trustee Morrison: You may wanna also speak on this,

[0:40:26] Trustee Morrison: but I'm just going to mark you as the next speaker after this round of things. Thank you.

[0:40:32] Trustee Morrison: Okay. And then, Trustee Colburn, I'm understanding that you're going to want to speak on this motion.

[0:40:37] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So, Trustee Brandt, if you want to go ahead and speak to your motion.

[0:40:44] Voice 9: Well, I think I have to, to a large degree. But yeah, it's a concern that we are a democracy.

[0:40:53] Voice 9: It's a participatory democracy. The devil is in the details. We've discussed broad concepts, and now we have a 37-page draft with a lot of specificity. We've heard today, and we've heard from a number of people, this has not been a broadly shared document. We all know that. It was just released to Trust Programs Committee, and it was released on Friday after 5.

[0:41:18] Voice 9: I think it's appropriate and responsible to let the public look at this before we go to first reading.

[0:41:28] Voice 9: It appears we're rushing things. Here's another thing.

[0:41:31] Voice 9: We've just finished pretty much 18 months of pandemic or we're in the process of finishing.

[0:41:38] Voice 9: We're in stage two now. Stage three requires 70 percent of British Columbians to be vaccinated the first time.

[0:41:46] Voice 9: and for dropping case counts and hospitalizations were there now.

[0:41:51] Voice 9: The only trigger is it can't be done before July 1st.

[0:41:55] Voice 9: We have the opportunity for appropriate personal consultation on our islands.

[0:42:03] Voice 9: We don't seem to be wanting to do it.

[0:42:05] Voice 9: We seem to be rushing this.

[0:42:06] Voice 9: So that's all I say.

[0:42:08] Voice 9: I see no reason why this couldn't be delayed until the next Trust Council meeting.

[0:42:14] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:42:15] Voice 9: you

[0:42:16] Trustee Morrison: trustee colburn thank

[0:42:20] Voice 11: you there are all kinds of reasons why it would be inappropriate to delay

[0:42:23] Voice 11: this because we've got a timeline we've we've lived up to that we've published that we've

[0:42:29] Voice 11: talked to first nations in our engagement process and our communities it's an iterative process i

[0:42:34] Voice 11: completely agree with vice chair peterson there are opportunities uh after first reading to make

[0:42:41] Voice 11: some substantive responses to the broader number of people who will engage with this. This has been,

[0:42:49] Voice 11: it is a participatory democracy, and it has to continue to move according to the timelines that

[0:42:55] Voice 11: we've committed to. And it's going to have to be out there at some point. You can't continue to

[0:43:00] Voice 11: delay this. Any delay at this point basically means we're not going to get this done by the

[0:43:06] Voice 11: end of this term. That's what that means. Or you're compressing it. The change is going to

[0:43:10] Voice 11: to happen. It's up to us as an organization, as representatives to get the conversations going in

[0:43:17] Voice 11: the community, to make sure there's all kinds of voices raised and input selected. I think staff

[0:43:23] Voice 11: have done an excellent job to this point of incorporating that into a draft that's ready

[0:43:28] Voice 11: to go to the next stage that we've already committed to. I think the constant battle to

[0:43:33] Voice 11: delay this um it's it's counterintuitive i don't think um that pandemic is it's out of our control

[0:43:42] Voice 11: it's not a it's not an issue that comes um in terms of our timeline this is something that we

[0:43:49] Voice 11: have to respect the timelines we put forward and the nations who have engaged with this we're

[0:43:53] Voice 11: expecting to get this back that these next stages are going to take time and i think we step into it

[0:43:58] Voice 11: boldly thank

[0:44:00] Trustee Morrison: you and as we go ahead and add to our comments i want us to acknowledge that we

[0:44:05] Trustee Morrison: also want to talk about detail in the statement today so if you've heard your your sort of points

[0:44:11] Trustee Morrison: made please don't repeat them just a name if you're agreeing or disagreeing and add to the

[0:44:15] Trustee Morrison: conversation um trustee lang rice yeah

[0:44:18] Voice 27: i wanted to get a point of clarification is the motion to

[0:44:22] Voice 27: to cancel the meeting of July the 8th?

[0:44:26] Voice 27: It's not-

[0:44:26] Trustee Morrison: No, the

[0:44:26] Trustee Morrison: motion, if we can have Robert Barlow

[0:44:30] Trustee Morrison: read it back, please, or put it up on the screen.

[0:44:35] Trustee Morrison: Can we get it up on the screen?

[0:44:37] Voice 14: I thought I have it on the screen.

[0:44:38] Voice 27: It is on the screen.

[0:44:39] Trustee Morrison: Oh, sorry,

[0:44:40] Trustee Morrison: I must not have, sorry.

[0:44:41] Voice 27: Delayed first reading.

[0:44:43] Voice 27: So what the motion is proposing then is that this draft

[0:44:45] Voice 27: would go to the meeting on July the 8th,

[0:44:48] Voice 27: but just not as a draft bylaw.

[0:44:51] Voice 27: Is that correct?

[0:44:51] Trustee Morrison: Not as the first reading, necessarily.

[0:44:55] Voice 27: Yeah, that deferred the first reading of the draft policy statement.

[0:45:00] Voice 27: But so on July the 8th, then, is it proposing, then, that the Trust Council would look at the version 2 of this policy statement, rather than as a bylaw, per se?

[0:45:13] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, yeah.

[0:45:15] Trustee Morrison: As it stands, that meeting would still be in play.

[0:45:17] Trustee Morrison: We would look at it as a policy piece.

[0:45:20] Trustee Morrison: and then the September meeting which would be the next meeting would be when the first reading would

[0:45:24] Trustee Morrison: occur is what I'm seeing in the motion is that correct trustee Brent

[0:45:30] Voice 9: what's correct is that we

[0:45:33] Voice 9: would have a full public participation before we got to first reading the intention that that

[0:45:40] Voice 9: meeting would continue on this is an incredibly important document and yeah we'd have to have

[0:45:47] Voice 9: discussions then I'd like to see discussions on our islands because we preserve and protect for

[0:45:52] Voice 9: for residents and British Columbians generally.

[0:45:55] Voice 9: So it's important we hear from them.

[0:45:58] Voice 27: So this would provide all trustees an opportunity

[0:46:01] Voice 27: to provide feedback on July the 8th on the version two.

[0:46:05] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and that doesn't,

[0:46:07] Trustee Morrison: this motion wouldn't interfere with that.

[0:46:08] Voice 27: Just defers at first reading, that's it.

[0:46:12] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[0:46:14] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Peterson.

[0:46:18] Voice 19: Yeah, so first on that last point,

[0:46:24] Voice 19: just hypothetically if trust council chose to give this first reading July 8th then this motion

[0:46:31] Voice 19: wouldn't have any you know if somebody made a motion on a fly to to go ahead and give first

[0:46:38] Voice 19: reading at trust counselor that meeting on the 8th and it went ahead then this motion would be

[0:46:42] Voice 19: meaningless that's sort of a side point but I just wanted to draw all trustees attention to page 10

[0:46:50] Voice 19: the project timeline, which really lays out how the process has been and is going to continue

[0:46:59] Voice 19: to unfold before deciding to add further delay. If you look at the length of the timeline and the

[0:47:09] Voice 19: public input, the consultations to agencies and First Nations, this is not a fast project. We're

[0:47:16] Voice 19: are not speeding along. I don't feel that in any way there's going to be a lack of time for public

[0:47:26] Voice 19: input here at all. So, I mean, I just, I won't be voting in favor of the motion. Thank you.

[0:47:31] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. Trustee Cahill.

[0:47:33] Voice 26: Yes, thank you. I've had a chance fairly recently because of council

[0:47:38] Voice 26: meetings to really study this document, but only in great detail in the last day and a half.

[0:47:45] Voice 26: and I see the word shall is now frequently used in this document. It's a very much more of a

[0:47:54] Voice 26: you will as opposed to you might and also it is very all-encompassing and introduces the

[0:48:04] Voice 26: affordable properties of affordable housing which is a new addition. I cannot accept that

[0:48:12] Voice 26: just because someone has written a timeline that that necessarily dictates a wise course of action

[0:48:20] Voice 26: when asking around my jurisdiction or our jurisdiction on bowen i would say there is

[0:48:26] Voice 26: little or no understanding of this practice at all neither is there any understanding of the possible

[0:48:34] Voice 26: implications and i quite frankly myself would like longer i would like to speak to our municipal

[0:48:39] Voice 26: municipal planners, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:48:41] Voice 26: I support this motion because I think this process

[0:48:45] Voice 26: will be viewed as being rushed.

[0:48:49] Voice 26: And whether or not we have written up a timetable,

[0:48:52] Voice 26: fair enough, but that should not dictate good practice.

[0:48:57] Voice 26: So absolutely, I support this motion.

[0:48:59] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:49:00] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Fenton.

[0:49:05] Trustee Fenton: I don't speak in favor of this motion.

[0:49:09] Trustee Fenton: I just can't support it.

[0:49:10] Trustee Fenton: I think ditto to Colburn and Peterson's comments and that we just need to further get the process

[0:49:20] Trustee Fenton: moving and carry on with the conversation and not let all of this hard work and enlightenment to

[0:49:29] Trustee Fenton: to date um he yeah he missed or uh lost in uh in this sort of yeah delaying yeah just don't see it

[0:49:42] Trustee Fenton: changing anything so i'll leave it there thank you sorry

[0:49:45] Trustee Morrison: trustee fenton i i am a little bit

[0:49:47] Trustee Morrison: confused if you can clarify you're in favor of delaying the the reading or not delaying the

[0:49:53] Trustee Morrison: not

[0:49:54] Trustee Fenton: delaying as i just don't see it that you know making changing the outcome favorably so

[0:50:02] Trustee Fenton: carry forth as we plan thank

[0:50:05] Trustee Morrison: you so just to be clear that would be not in favor of this motion

[0:50:09] Trustee Morrison: okay thank you um trustee rogers um

[0:50:16] Trustee Rogers: thanks and with your permission um madam chair i'd actually

[0:50:20] Trustee Rogers: like to ask a question of staff and i'll just put it a little bit in context bit before i speak to

[0:50:26] Trustee Rogers: the motion is is at times at ltc's we receive a draft bylaw as opposed to giving it first reading

[0:50:33] Trustee Rogers: they'll the draft bylaw is brought and then further consideration is given and and we wait

[0:50:39] Trustee Rogers: some time before we give it first reading because we want some more work done on it but we receive

[0:50:43] Trustee Rogers: the actual draft of the bylaw. And I assume that process is available to Trust Council as well as

[0:50:51] Trustee Rogers: to local trust committees, but it's very rare we get a bylaw coming to, or something like this,

[0:50:57] Trustee Rogers: like coming to Trust Council. But I would appreciate it, you know, I mean, I totally

[0:51:02] Trustee Rogers: agree that this has to go out for consultation and we should keep to our timeline. I'm just not

[0:51:08] Trustee Rogers: clear I can see much difference between receiving the draft bylaw and sending it out for consultation

[0:51:15] Trustee Rogers: and giving it first reading I think there's often been people that see a message from first reading

[0:51:22] Trustee Rogers: and I know it's a step along the way but I wondered if either the director of planning

[0:51:27] Trustee Rogers: could clarify that we can just receive the bylaw and then I would like to know from the director

[0:51:33] Trustee Rogers: or whether there is a difference in the minds of trust programs committee or not the programs

[0:51:44] Trustee Rogers: committee the trust area services

[0:51:45] Trustee Rogers: services trust area services between just us simply receiving

[0:51:50] Trustee Rogers: the bylaw discussing it as has been talked about and then sending it out to consultation

[0:51:55] Trustee Rogers: rather than giving it first reading and sending it out for consultation so those are my two questions

[0:52:02] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to um I'm going to actually ask Director Frater first if she'd like to comment on that and

[0:52:08] Trustee Morrison: then go to Director Marler.

[0:52:11] Voice 21: I think perhaps go to Director Marler first might be best so you

[0:52:14] Voice 21: can provide the LTC experience and I can weigh in. Director Marler?

[0:52:19] Voice 25: Yeah thank you and that's true

[0:52:22] Voice 25: with local trust committees often you'll receive the draft and then you would like to probably have

[0:52:29] Voice 25: a you know community information meeting or something before you go to fish reading and

[0:52:33] Voice 25: you know that can happen the um the issue of course that does drag out the timelines

[0:52:39] Voice 25: but usually you've planned those timelines in advance so um and you haven't done usually a

[0:52:45] Voice 25: lot of work previous to that where you have not gone out and done a lot of public consultations

[0:52:52] Voice 25: so you're just wanting to get some early work in there. In this case, the way I see this is

[0:52:59] Voice 25: you could do that, however there are obligations between first and second reading that you're

[0:53:04] Voice 25: committed to and that is engagement with the First Nations, with provincial agencies, with

[0:53:11] Voice 25: regional districts. There's also a referral to all of the local trust committees and Bowen

[0:53:17] Voice 25: municipality so all that will still have to happen and that would happen after first reading

[0:53:23] Voice 25: the whole point of first reading is to signal that council would like to advance the bylaw

[0:53:31] Voice 25: and that they've read it and they feel that this is appropriate but they recognize that

[0:53:37] Voice 25: there could be changes so you will be receiving feedback and you have every opportunity to make

[0:53:44] Voice 25: whatever changes you want however substantive that second reading and then you can decide at

[0:53:50] Voice 25: that point what you want to do whether you go to third reading or you do more consultation

[0:53:56] Voice 25: so this was you know there's no legislative process for the policy statement so what we

[0:54:04] Voice 25: have done is use the LCP process as close as possible recognizing that we're dealing with a

[0:54:10] Voice 25: huge area uh with many local trust committees and with a large council and lots of different

[0:54:16] Voice 25: interests so that is the way it's set up but to answer the question you could uh just

[0:54:24] Voice 25: endorse it whatever you want to call it because right now as a draft this is just the staff

[0:54:29] Voice 25: interpretation of what we've heard and it does not yet have any endorsement from trust council

[0:54:34] Voice 25: Okay,

[0:54:37] Trustee Morrison: Director Prater.

[0:54:40] Voice 21: So in response to the question of whether we could do it of course

[0:54:45] Voice 21: Council could just review the document but by not contemplating first reading we really put

[0:54:51] Voice 21: the timeline in jeopardy. Certainly the project charter and the engagement planning has all been

[0:54:57] Voice 21: premised on the idea that Council would endorse a first reading draft that would then provide the

[0:55:02] Voice 21: public with it and local trust committees which are of course a referral agency or referral

[0:55:06] Voice 21: partner as listed in the engagement plan to provide substantive feedback on the policies

[0:55:12] Voice 21: provided in the first reading draft. So that's been how it's been contemplated since the beginning.

[0:55:16] Voice 21: I would suggest we don't currently have the resources to do, I think what I'm hearing is

[0:55:21] Voice 21: the request for yet another public engagement round. So that currently is not contemplated

[0:55:26] Voice 21: in the project timeline or budget. We already added in an additional, you might remember,

[0:55:31] Voice 21: executive committee amended their project charter to add in the policy directions report. And that

[0:55:36] Voice 21: round of engagement that was added to the project sort of midstream so at this point we're not

[0:55:41] Voice 21: resourced for that so I would offer caution there we would really need to contemplate that and I

[0:55:46] Voice 21: would just caution that really our you know eye on the horizon here is to get this through this

[0:55:52] Voice 21: term of council because to carry it over the term offers significant jeopardy in terms of needing

[0:55:57] Voice 21: to educate a new a new set of trustees and a new trust council and so really that has been sort of

[0:56:04] Voice 21: of what we've been striving very hard towards

[0:56:06] Voice 21: to enable you to have this concluded,

[0:56:08] Voice 21: if that's the will of council by the end of this term.

[0:56:12] Voice 21: I'm happy to answer further if necessary.

[0:56:15] Trustee Morrison: No, I'm going to move us on actually right now.

[0:56:18] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Fenton, did you already go

[0:56:20] Trustee Morrison: or is your hands still up?

[0:56:23] Trustee Morrison: Oh, thank you.

[0:56:24] Trustee Morrison: Okay, Trustee Cushley.

[0:56:25] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Rogers did want to speak to the motion.

[0:56:28] Trustee Morrison: Oh, sorry.

[0:56:30] Trustee Morrison: Did he?

[0:56:31] Trustee Morrison: No,

[0:56:31] Trustee Rogers: I'm okay.

[0:56:32] Trustee Rogers: I wanted my questions answered.

[0:56:34] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[0:56:36] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Rogers, can I ask you if you are in favor

[0:56:39] Trustee Morrison: or not of this motion?

[0:56:40] Trustee Morrison: It would be helpful to have that stated.

[0:56:42] Trustee Rogers: I think given the answer that I got

[0:56:45] Trustee Rogers: and particularly the part about the referral part,

[0:56:48] Trustee Rogers: I'm not in favor of the motion.

[0:56:49] Trustee Rogers: I think, thank you.

[0:56:51] Trustee Morrison: Thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[0:56:55] Trustee Critchley: Thank you, I speak in favor of the motion.

[0:56:58] Trustee Critchley: I think largely for the reasons that were set out

[0:57:01] Trustee Critchley: by Trustee Cahill, but from my own experience

[0:57:05] Trustee Critchley: of receiving several calls from very concerned people

[0:57:10] Trustee Critchley: about an inadequacy of consultation

[0:57:14] Trustee Critchley: in advance of getting this to a first reading.

[0:57:19] Trustee Critchley: There is a concern that is being rushed through,

[0:57:24] Trustee Critchley: and that's never a good look,

[0:57:26] Trustee Critchley: especially with a document of this importance.

[0:57:31] Trustee Critchley: I have been concerned for some time

[0:57:33] Trustee Critchley: about appearing to go too quickly with this in these last stages, you know, sort of sprinting

[0:57:41] Trustee Critchley: to the finish line at the expense of what I would call, you know, mature and reflective

[0:57:49] Trustee Critchley: consideration of this very complex document. This isn't something that one digests at one sitting,

[0:57:57] Trustee Critchley: and i've really had one sitting uh well two at it and um it's it's highly complicated i was very

[0:58:06] Trustee Critchley: concerned to hear early the discussion from staff today the the message that i took was well here is

[0:58:15] Trustee Critchley: the second draft and it's basically unless there's something really serious that you object to

[0:58:19] Trustee Critchley: we want you to run this through and it'll just go off to executive committee and then and then

[0:58:27] Trustee Critchley: to the special meeting of trust council and I was shocked by that because that wasn't my idea

[0:58:34] Trustee Critchley: of attending this meeting of trust programs committee today. My expectation was that we

[0:58:42] Trustee Critchley: were going to review this document in detail. I don't see any point in passing along a document

[0:58:48] Trustee Critchley: that we are not completely happy with or at least a majority of this committee. Perhaps we will not

[0:58:55] Trustee Critchley: find unanimity or true consensus in this process, even within this committee. But I think that we

[0:59:03] Trustee Critchley: have not really gone far down that line to trying to get it. And as I said, I'm just shocked that

[0:59:10] Trustee Critchley: the idea was that, well, here we've done a second version. We've taken into consideration all you

[0:59:17] Trustee Critchley: told us in the first one, and this is it. There's a lot of nuance in this document. There's a lot of

[0:59:23] Trustee Critchley: word choices. Maybe I'm just too fussy, but I think we need to take more time in reviewing

[0:59:32] Trustee Critchley: this carefully. I come from a background of multiple drafts of documents, of very complex

[0:59:38] Trustee Critchley: documents, you know, leases that are hundreds of pages long. And even on Denman, we had a

[0:59:45] Trustee Critchley: green burial, and the agreement between the Conservancy and the green burial people took

[0:59:52] Trustee Critchley: 16 drafts. And that was a relatively simple matter. Now, I'm not suggesting I would hate to go through

[1:00:00] Trustee Critchley: 316 drafts. But we're only on version 2.0. And anyway, I think we're going too fast and we need

[1:00:09] Trustee Critchley: to slow down.

[1:00:10] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. And I have myself next and then Trustee McConkie. I am going to ask that

[1:00:16] Trustee Morrison: we make sure that we only repeat ourselves, we only speak again if we have something new to add

[1:00:22] Trustee Morrison: to the conversation, because I also want to get to what Trustee Critchley is talking about, where

[1:00:28] Trustee Morrison: we're actually talking about the work and not just our timeline for the work so um i do want to make

[1:00:33] Trustee Morrison: sure we get to that today so please let's try for that all right i am not in favor of this motion

[1:00:39] Trustee Morrison: for the perspective that i think we have had a long timeline i don't think this is a one and done

[1:00:48] Trustee Morrison: situation that we're going to never revisit this because if we have the process that we are looking

[1:00:53] Trustee Morrison: at doing we're going to revisit this every year or two going forward and it's wildly out of date

[1:00:59] Trustee Morrison: so I want to make sure that it gets updated and in place in some form and I'm not looking for

[1:01:06] Trustee Morrison: perfect actually I'm looking for better than it was before so that's what I'm seeking at this

[1:01:13] Trustee Morrison: point better and done it's kind of like a dissertation so that's that's what I'm kind

[1:01:18] Trustee Morrison: working toward. I, of course, would like to make sure that we have consultation. We have had

[1:01:23] Trustee Morrison: multiple phases of consultation. We have a whole process. It seems to me the sticking point here

[1:01:28] Trustee Morrison: is first reading versus not first reading. And to me, first reading, as long as we understand

[1:01:34] Trustee Morrison: clearly that we can make substantive changes as we go forward and that there's editorial processes,

[1:01:39] Trustee Morrison: that doesn't seem to be a problem to me. So, however, there is a communication challenge

[1:01:44] Trustee Morrison: challenge that we appear to be facing even among trustees about what first reading means in this

[1:01:48] Trustee Morrison: case and the actual intent of being able to ensure that we have editorial, wide editorial range

[1:01:55] Trustee Morrison: afterwards. So we're trustees, trustees. So we can make changes as we go along between phases.

[1:02:03] Trustee Morrison: That's in our legal powers. So I'm not worried about that. So I will be voting against this

[1:02:09] Trustee Morrison: motion and um but not necessarily against changes to the trust policy statement today

[1:02:14] Trustee Morrison: if we ever get to it so um trustee mcconkey everyone

[1:02:22] Trustee McConchie: i'm going to speak in favor of the motion

[1:02:24] Trustee McConchie: um mainly because i don't even know what reality is anymore and like i'm yelling at a computer

[1:02:31] Trustee McConchie: screen all the time and i need to see people i i'm starting to emerge from talking to people

[1:02:37] Trustee McConchie: in the community uh they don't know what's going on and i noticed that all the folks that spoke

[1:02:43] Trustee McConchie: against the motion didn't address the most important point which i thought trustee brent

[1:02:47] Trustee McConchie: mentioned which is that the public doesn't understand what's going on that's key guys

[1:02:53] Trustee McConchie: because that could have ramifications for the next election cycle you could elect a bunch of trustees

[1:02:59] Trustee McConchie: that think that we're overreaching or we're not properly explaining things we're not doing

[1:03:04] Trustee McConchie: we've rushed things through during the pandemic and that's a that's a political reality at least

[1:03:09] Trustee McConchie: that i feel on pender island um now that said i i really appreciate sorry that's the school bell

[1:03:16] Trustee McConchie: it's in g major not

[1:03:19] Voice 29: that loud sorry

[1:03:20] Trustee McConchie: um so uh you know i i really wish we could address that point

[1:03:26] Trustee McConchie: it's not about uh clear uh director freighter i'm not i'm not talking about a round of public

[1:03:31] Trustee McConchie: consultation i'm talking about a round of going out to the community and talking to people

[1:03:35] Trustee McConchie: you know like i go out and do the rounds at the schoolyard here of parents you know i talk to

[1:03:40] Trustee McConchie: about 50 parents a day they have no idea what we're doing they have no idea what this means

[1:03:45] Trustee McConchie: how it affects their lives um i have no they are talking to two affordable housing groups on

[1:03:51] Trustee McConchie: tender they don't know what this means how this will impact them they didn't even realize we

[1:03:55] Trustee McConchie: were doing this and i'm not saying that that's a failure of anybody or staff it's not a criticism

[1:04:02] Trustee McConchie: it's just a reality that we need to address so i actually appreciate uh trustee brent's motion

[1:04:08] Trustee McConchie: and i am reminded of some of the teachings i've had some from first nations uh friends

[1:04:13] Trustee McConchie: various communities that have both reiterated the important point that they they talk things through

[1:04:17] Trustee McConchie: and timelines and getting things done and da da da in some circumstances it works

[1:04:24] Trustee McConchie: but in a lot of very important policy circumstances um taking our time and talking

[1:04:31] Trustee McConchie: things through, even if it takes another term, I've started to realize that perhaps there's some

[1:04:35] Trustee McConchie: merit. There's a lot of merit to that lesson. So I just, that's why I'm speaking in favor of the

[1:04:42] Trustee McConchie: motion.

[1:04:43] Trustee Morrison: All right. And I have trustee Cale and trustee, oh, sorry. And also staff member

[1:04:49] Trustee Morrison: Hotzmiller, C.A. Hotzmiller. So I have Cale, Bryce and C.A. Hotzmiller. And again, if I can

[1:04:56] Trustee Morrison: ensure that people are only seeing something new to the conversation, please.

[1:05:00] Voice 26: Yes. Thank you,

[1:05:01] Voice 26: chair um i've listened very carefully to the recent uh statements made by director freighter

[1:05:08] Voice 26: just a few minutes ago and this this is videotaped and if that is to be forwarded in isolation

[1:05:17] Voice 26: what she just told us it will further convince me and others that this process is totally time

[1:05:26] Voice 26: time driven. And exactly everything she said, points in that direction. And I think it's totally

[1:05:33] Voice 26: wrong. And I go back to Trustee Brent, who said, if you put this in the first reading,

[1:05:39] Voice 26: whether you like it or not, there's a degree that this is embedded. And it's hard to get away. I

[1:05:45] Voice 26: thought Trustee Rogers actually came up with, I thought it was a very diplomatic and sensible

[1:05:50] Voice 26: possible solution to an impasse here. And I compliment him for that, because there could

[1:05:57] Voice 26: be a way forward. But everything I've heard recently tells me that this process is absolutely

[1:06:03] Voice 26: based upon getting it done to a timeline. And people are really going to push back if that's

[1:06:09] Voice 26: the case. And it is the case. Sorry,

[1:06:28] Voice 27: I didn't realize you called my name.

[1:06:31] Voice 27: sorry go ahead yeah

[1:06:32] Voice 27: when I originally spoke I was sitting on the fence about it because I wanted to

[1:06:37] Voice 27: really think about and hear what other people had to say and I've come around to the conclusion that

[1:06:42] Voice 27: I do support the motion there is a timeline it talks about minister's approval by the summer of

[1:06:50] Voice 27: 2022 but do we need minister's approval by summer 2022 third reading in the fall is that not

[1:06:59] Voice 27: sufficient I mean is that going to jeopardize it it's going to go to the minister the minister of

[1:07:05] Voice 27: science is going to come back is a new council going to say oh no sorry we disagree I doubt that

[1:07:10] Voice 27: very much so I I am I I'm starting to get concerned about the the timeline being the main issue and

[1:07:17] Voice 27: so I'm going to support the motion um

[1:07:21] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to go to CAO Hudson-Pillar I'm also putting my

[1:07:24] Trustee Morrison: name on the um a second time just to deal with two things that have come up since go ahead

[1:07:29] Trustee Morrison: well thanks

[1:07:30] Voice 13: madam chair the the first thing is that um you can be in first reading for four years

[1:07:39] Voice 13: you've got lots of time after first reading in fact this isn't a rush process um the public will

[1:07:45] Voice 13: have ample time to to discuss something and the something is in front of you um we've gone through

[1:07:54] Voice 13: the document and fairly roundly a trust council had support for its direction and indeed out of

[1:07:59] Voice 13: this committee as well support for generally the direction. This motion perhaps should have come

[1:08:05] Voice 13: at the end of the day when you looked at the document and seen what pieces you think really

[1:08:11] Voice 13: need a reconsideration or not. We've done about 18 months of work in the community. Committees have

[1:08:18] Voice 13: spoken quite a bit and you've expensed monies. One of the key criticisms of the trust is around

[1:08:24] Voice 13: efficiency and making a commitment a leadership commitment to get something done get it done in

[1:08:32] Voice 13: a reasonable timeline and be responsive to people

[1:08:35] Trustee McConchie: can i make a point of order

[1:08:38] Trustee McConchie: yes no i

[1:08:39] Trustee McConchie: feel like sorry cao hawson tell you're making political statements

[1:08:43] Trustee McConchie: can we allow the discussion to take place right now please well

[1:08:48] Voice 13: i'd just like to finish i don't

[1:08:50] Voice 13: feel they're political i think so i'm going

[1:08:53] Trustee Morrison: to i'm going to just

[1:08:54] Trustee Morrison: ask that ceo hudson heller keep

[1:08:56] Trustee Morrison: his comments to staff related and efficiency things which i

[1:09:00] Trustee Morrison: think is what's being said we

[1:09:02] Voice 13: have expensed significant funds associated with this so you're we're also in the position of

[1:09:08] Voice 13: having to refund or reconsider some budgetary elements if this is extended beyond a reasonable

[1:09:16] Voice 13: point of view and I think that much of the feedback we've had in the document is that

[1:09:21] Voice 13: those expenses have been made wisely and that there's a document in front of you that you could

[1:09:26] Voice 13: go out and see what the community wants to see about it but you would have something to go in

[1:09:32] Voice 13: front and speak to so certainly you could go to first reading and you could sit there for some

[1:09:40] Voice 13: period of time this would this is the the other consideration you have to think of madam chair

[1:09:45] Voice 13: is the meeting on the on the July 8th is to consider first reading that was the premise by

[1:09:53] Voice 13: which that decision was made it was not um premise to have a round table on on the document

[1:10:01] Voice 13: certainly trustees um are putting information in um but any extension beyond that means that

[1:10:08] Voice 13: those hundred referral agencies and nations and community is being extended to a certain point

[1:10:16] Voice 13: of time so we'd have to really rethink the the basis of getting it done as presented i think you

[1:10:21] Voice 13: can get to community quite readily over the next period of time to see what they think of the

[1:10:25] Voice 13: document and any changes you need thank you all

[1:10:28] Trustee Morrison: right i have one other question just of staff

[1:10:30] Trustee Morrison: before we go on and then i have a couple comments um and then a couple more speakers um so one other

[1:10:36] Trustee Morrison: question I had just for clarity was if we if this motion passed right now as it stands we can't we

[1:10:49] Trustee Morrison: have to talk about the July 8th meeting but if this motion passed as it is my understanding is

[1:10:57] Trustee Morrison: that it would be presented to local trust areas and Bowen Island municipality for public

[1:11:04] Trustee Morrison: consultation and feedback, that does not mean that we're asking for additional funds for a

[1:11:09] Trustee Morrison: trust-wide public consultation in between, just that it would go out to LTCs. They would put it

[1:11:14] Trustee Morrison: on their own agendas for public meeting or whatever. So, and I mean, maybe this is a clarity

[1:11:22] Trustee Morrison: from Trustee Brent and his intent too, because there's a whole budgetary issue that is in between

[1:11:28] Trustee Morrison: if we have a separate round of trust-wide consultation

[1:11:32] Trustee Morrison: before we go to first reading

[1:11:35] Trustee Morrison: where there's more of a formal process of referrals.

[1:11:38] Trustee Morrison: So I need some clarity on that

[1:11:40] Trustee Morrison: because I am super not interested in additional costs.

[1:11:45] Trustee Morrison: So hot trust, say a hot supply

[1:11:47] Trustee Morrison: first on that,

[1:11:48] Trustee Morrison: maybe trustee Brent too.

[1:11:49] Trustee Morrison: Well,

[1:11:49] Voice 13: the first consideration we've got, Madam Chair,

[1:11:51] Voice 13: is that trust counsel thinks that it's said

[1:11:55] Voice 13: we're going to consider at least first reading

[1:11:58] Voice 13: and has and has made a motion to that effect so we're we're having a meeting on july 8th for that

[1:12:04] Voice 13: consideration if this motion was to be effective the first piece of business would be this motion

[1:12:12] Voice 13: is is my is my way of seeing it there still would be that meeting the meeting would have this

[1:12:16] Voice 13: document on it for first reading and then trust council would discuss the recommendation made by

[1:12:23] Voice 13: trust programs committee um so that's just the mechanics of getting to get getting this

[1:12:30] Voice 13: if this passed to get this realized as I see it um as it stands right now in terms of any

[1:12:36] Voice 13: extended cost I couldn't really answer that question I'd have to sit with Claire and the

[1:12:39] Voice 13: team and figure out what does that mean is that an additional public consultation phase

[1:12:45] Voice 13: um or is it um bringing the the one that was anticipated forward okay

[1:12:51] Trustee Morrison: um that's helpful to

[1:12:53] Trustee Morrison: to understand a little bit and my understanding too is that if this motion is the first to be

[1:13:01] Trustee Morrison: considered it could potentially be deferred like I should have potentially done at the beginning

[1:13:04] Trustee Morrison: of this meeting until the other information is considered because I feel like we're not making

[1:13:11] Trustee Morrison: a very considered conversation because we're talking about timelines without actually talking

[1:13:15] Trustee Morrison: about the material of the actual trust policy statement and indeed this does go to

[1:13:20] Voice 13: EC as well

[1:13:21] Voice 13: Well, this goes to executive committee for its consideration as well, and it will deliberate.

[1:13:25] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so to specifically address the issue of the trust policy statement, the structure of it, somehow there's something about it that becomes embedded.

[1:13:38] Trustee Morrison: I don't see that in going to first reading. I think it can be substantively changed between first and second reading.

[1:13:46] Trustee Morrison: and so I don't have concerns about that in terms of consultation being done or not being done

[1:13:55] Trustee Morrison: to me that is what first reading does it triggers a whole ton of consultation in a really formal way

[1:14:02] Trustee Morrison: and so I think that was trustee McConkey's concern that we weren't addressing the issue

[1:14:08] Trustee Morrison: of that consultation would actually be done. So to me that consultation is fundamentally part of

[1:14:16] Trustee Morrison: what gets triggered with with the it goes out to all the LTCs it does exactly what this motion

[1:14:22] Trustee Morrison: saying is it goes and it it instigates all of that work. So I feel that there's either some

[1:14:29] Trustee Morrison: kind of lack of communication or something I'm not understanding and why we would need to have

[1:14:35] Trustee Morrison: that kind of consideration done before first reading if first reading literally triggers

[1:14:40] Trustee Morrison: that kind of consultation and process on a wide scale. I do want to name that it is problematic

[1:14:47] Trustee Morrison: with our relationships with First Nations if we don't actually keep to the timeline that we have

[1:14:54] Trustee Morrison: set before us. Because part of that timeline is part of our reconciliation efforts that we've

[1:15:00] Trustee Morrison: been in conversation around this trust policy statement and updating it to include reconciliation

[1:15:05] Trustee Morrison: pieces. So I think it's extremely problematic to not go to first reading and have that next

[1:15:12] Trustee Morrison: set of processes kick in trust-wide. So I will definitely not be going for this. I have currently

[1:15:22] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Luckham, Peterson, and Brent on my list, if we can try to wrap that up. And Director

[1:15:29] Trustee Morrison: Frater. Okay go ahead. You're welcome.

[1:15:33] Trustee Luckham: Thank you Chair Morrison. You know historically there's

[1:15:40] Trustee Luckham: always been this misconception about first reading in our community and by our community members

[1:15:46] Trustee Luckham: and a first reading is simply first reading and the opportunity to go out for consultation.

[1:15:53] Trustee Luckham: The motion, and I'm speaking about process, the motion as presented it talks about going out for

[1:15:59] Trustee Luckham: consultation that is the intention of first reading which consults with everybody in order

[1:16:05] Trustee Luckham: to bring back information um if first reading happens in uh in july and of course that's a

[1:16:11] Trustee Luckham: decision of council at the time um it's not unheard of for first reading to be rescinded

[1:16:17] Trustee Luckham: if there's significant amendments and the council would want to choose to go out to public

[1:16:23] Trustee Luckham: public consultation a second time. So there's no door being closed. There's no consultation

[1:16:30] Trustee Luckham: that will not be conducted. Three months of opportunity for other agencies in the public

[1:16:38] Trustee Luckham: and LTCs to provide feedback, which will be incorporated prior to it going to second reading

[1:16:47] Trustee Luckham: and less. It's so dramatically different that it's necessary to rescind. So I would like to

[1:16:55] Trustee Luckham: stick to a process which is well understood in local governments and something that indeed we

[1:17:02] Trustee Luckham: need to promote as this is how business is conducted. First reading is simply just first

[1:17:06] Trustee Luckham: reading. We're serious about what we're doing and this is our indication that tell us now what you

[1:17:13] Trustee Luckham: you think

[1:17:14] Trustee Morrison: um trustee peterson and then brent uh

[1:17:23] Voice 19: thank you chair i just first i'll just echo what

[1:17:25] Voice 19: uh what uh mr lockham said there i've certainly had experiences several of them where first reading

[1:17:33] Voice 19: um was what triggered public interest in a topic uh this is specifically an

[1:17:40] Voice 19: ltc but until first

[1:17:42] Voice 19: first reading no one sort of really knew what was much about the topic understood it and it was

[1:17:48] Voice 19: after first reading and before second reading the public actually truly became engaged

[1:17:52] Voice 19: and and informed the other thing i just want to note to um this committee is that the decision

[1:18:00] Voice 19: to have the july 8th meeting to consider first reading of the draft um was a decision of trust

[1:18:11] Voice 19: And part of me just feels that it's not really appropriate

[1:18:16] Voice 19: for us as a committee to even propose

[1:18:22] Voice 19: that we're going to decide what Trust Council

[1:18:24] Voice 19: is going to do at a meeting that it, Trust Council,

[1:18:28] Voice 19: has decided to hold for this purpose.

[1:18:30] Voice 19: So I'll just leave it at that.

[1:18:32] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[1:18:34] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Brent.

[1:18:37] Voice 9: I'm going to point out something.

[1:18:39] Voice 9: thing. We heard from Director Marler that it's often the case that we go and the bylaw is received

[1:18:46] Voice 9: before it goes to first reading. Often the case. And yet I hear Chair Luckum saying, oh no, it's

[1:18:53] Voice 9: always, you know, that's the way we do our process. It goes to first reading. So there's a disconnect

[1:18:59] Voice 9: between Chair Luckum and what David Marler said. In respect of what Trustee Peterson has just said,

[1:19:06] Voice 9: the decision by uh trust council was made by uh rwm which means that's supposed to be things that

[1:19:16] Voice 9: aren't important they're just scheduling so i don't think that was um particularly valid that

[1:19:23] Voice 9: we have a decision by trust council to choose

[1:19:26] Trustee Morrison: this point of order on that it is a decision

[1:19:29] Trustee Morrison: of trust council i don't it is a

[1:19:31] Voice 9: decision of trust council and they're generally kept

[1:19:33] Voice 9: to very, very insignificant things like date changes and the like. That's what I understand.

[1:19:39] Voice 9: I heard from CAO Hudson Pillar that we've had a lot of feedback that we spent dollars

[1:19:46] Voice 9: responsibly on this so far. Well, that's interesting because I don't have feedback.

[1:19:51] Voice 9: I haven't heard any feedback from anybody in my communities because they don't know what's going

[1:19:58] Voice 9: going on. So these are just some points that are being made to justify the fact that we must go to

[1:20:04] Voice 9: first reading, and I think they're irrelevant. Thank you.

[1:20:08] Trustee Morrison: Okay, I really do need us to try to

[1:20:12] Trustee Morrison: wrap this up soon so that we can either vote yes or vote no and actually talk about the trust

[1:20:18] Trustee Morrison: policy statement. That would be terrific. So Director Frater, do you have anything new, Tad?

[1:20:27] Voice 21: I wondered if the committee would like to hear the plans for public engagement between first

[1:20:31] Voice 21: and second reading if that would be helpful for discussion. I

[1:20:34] Trustee Morrison: don't know that that's necessary

[1:20:37] Trustee Morrison: at this moment. Can I have a, just because I think they're in the document and we have discussed them

[1:20:43] Trustee Morrison: before, if you want to give like the two-minute clipped version that would be fine but not a

[1:20:50] Trustee Morrison: detailed version at this moment I don't think.

[1:20:52] Voice 21: Okay simply noting we would the plan was the

[1:20:55] Voice 21: intention was to really invest in getting public engagement after first reading as has been the

[1:21:01] Voice 21: plan through the project which would involve a major advertising campaign we're also measuring

[1:21:09] Voice 21: that against doing mail outs as we did on some islands for the policy directions report at the

[1:21:13] Voice 21: request of local trustees in addition we're looking at hiring a survey forum to help us

[1:21:17] Voice 21: promote an online platform and then hosting virtual open houses at various times of days

[1:21:23] Voice 21: in order to help the public learn more about it and then of course the referral process itself

[1:21:27] Voice 21: would draw attention through it being on every agenda so that was the initial plan but of course

[1:21:32] Voice 21: we're open to feedback around that and certainly would like to hear ideas about how we could make

[1:21:37] Voice 21: everyone you know aware of this project and certainly encourage you as trustees to assist

[1:21:41] Voice 21: with that so that was the that was the intention so i just wanted to make that clear thank you

[1:21:47] Trustee Morrison: trustee mcconkey i

[1:21:49] Trustee McConchie: just want to mention i'm really uncomfortable with the way the conversation just

[1:21:52] Trustee McConchie: unfolded we were having a good discussion and i felt our cao inputted a political opinion

[1:21:57] Trustee McConchie: and it shifted the conversation um i also want to mention that the motion uh it is that has not

[1:22:05] Trustee McConchie: been addressed in the motion is that the public doesn't understand what's going on and that

[1:22:10] Trustee McConchie: setting this first reading is like it's like laying down a bass track and drums like it it

[1:22:16] Trustee McConchie: sets the the vibe of the song right like it's we are sending out the message to the community that

[1:22:24] Trustee McConchie: we're playing reggae or whatever right but what trustee Brent's point is that are we sure we want

[1:22:32] Trustee McConchie: to send out reggae music because I have a lot of questions and I'm I agree that this is being

[1:22:39] Trustee McConchie: timeline driven and this is critical work and I think we can still get it done but I want

[1:22:45] Trustee McConchie: trustees to be sure right that that we're really sending the right groove to the community because

[1:22:51] Trustee McConchie: because it will set the tone for whether or not

[1:22:53] Trustee McConchie: people leave the bar because they don't like reggae music.

[1:22:57] Trustee McConchie: Analogy is going weird, but I just want to mention that.

[1:23:00] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[1:23:03] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[1:23:05] Trustee Morrison: So I think that we need to call the question on this vote.

[1:23:10] Trustee Morrison: Again, this motion as it appears on the screen

[1:23:13] Trustee Morrison: is that Trust Programs Committee recommend

[1:23:15] Trustee Morrison: to Trust Council that the first reading

[1:23:17] Trustee Morrison: of the draft policy statement scheduled for Trust Council

[1:23:19] Trustee Morrison: special meeting of July 8th be deferred until such time

[1:23:23] Trustee Morrison: as the actual draft document be presented to all local trust areas in bone island municipality for

[1:23:29] Trustee Morrison: public consultation feedback um all right i'm going to call the vote all those in favor hands

[1:23:36] Trustee Morrison: up digital hands please i'm going to have this as a recorded vote please i'm going to request

[1:23:45] Trustee Morrison: to be recorded so i have kale langerice and conkey and brent in favor are you okay with that robert

[1:23:57] Trustee Rogers: And Critchley.

[1:23:57] Trustee Morrison: Oh, and Critchley.

[1:23:58] Trustee Morrison: Sorry, thank you for pointing that out.

[1:24:00] Trustee Morrison: You have very light sky behind you, David.

[1:24:05] Trustee Morrison: Robert, did you get that?

[1:24:12] Voice 14: Yes, I do.

[1:24:13] Voice 14: I have Trustees Kale, Long, Rice, McConkie, Brent, and Critchley.

[1:24:17] Voice 14: Is that correct?

[1:24:18] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[1:24:19] Trustee Morrison: All hands down, please.

[1:24:22] Trustee Morrison: All those opposed, please raise your digital hands.

[1:24:29] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so we have Morrison, Peterson, Rogers, Benton, and Colburn.

[1:24:35] Trustee Morrison: Can somebody clarify for me what we do in a tie?

[1:24:41] Voice 13: It fails.

[1:24:43] Voice 13: it fails it

[1:24:45] Trustee Morrison: fails okay so hands down that motion fails all right so we will go ahead

[1:24:56] Trustee Morrison: and move into a discussion of the trust policy statement itself um i do actually encourage people

[1:25:07] Trustee Morrison: to dig in if they have substantive things they want to say about the trust policy statement

[1:25:13] Trustee Morrison: we are trustees it is our legal and political responsibility to make sure that we are happy

[1:25:18] Trustee Morrison: with this so if you are not be specific okay and so i would encourage people to actually

[1:25:27] Trustee Morrison: figure out if there are things that um there are are concerned about this i have a couple

[1:25:34] Trustee Morrison: that i do want to name and try to figure out how to address trustee colburn thank you um

[1:25:43] Voice 11: Um, I am, um, largely, um, content with, with where we're at.

[1:25:52] Voice 11: It's interesting in the, in the town hall today and some of the correspondence, the,

[1:25:55] Voice 11: uh, the emphasis on natural environment versus built environment.

[1:25:59] Voice 11: And that's an assumption that I had been making in my head.

[1:26:01] Voice 11: And I do think it needs to be spelled out.

[1:26:03] Voice 11: I'd like to thank them for that contribution and believe that that, um, could be amended

[1:26:07] Voice 11: either after first reading, uh, or prior to, um, just to, just to be clear that it's

[1:26:14] Voice 11: the natural environment uh um and and so there's no confusion that people understand the environment

[1:26:19] Voice 11: in the mandate of the island struts it's a clear priority it's important that we communicate that

[1:26:24] Voice 11: in all the various ways it's more important that we act on it however and that's you know um i i

[1:26:30] Voice 11: hear and feel that the the potential of that 1974 mandate and including the environment in it has

[1:26:37] Voice 11: been lived up to in some islands and in some official community plans and in some bylaws but

[1:26:41] Voice 11: for the large part development pressures we've outsourced um subdivision approvals um you know

[1:26:49] Voice 11: largely single family dwellings rural sprawl um resource extraction forestry zones like

[1:26:55] Voice 11: we there's a lot of decision making and and regulations and legislation that needs to be

[1:27:02] Voice 11: updated that's and the injustice that's at the heart of this is the lack up to this point of

[1:27:09] Voice 11: First Nations involvement in decision-making. This document goes some way towards living up to

[1:27:17] Voice 11: our obligations that we've committed to under the Reconciliation Declaration and that's one of the

[1:27:22] Voice 11: major reasons that I hope we can, I know we can get it done this term. There's one sentence that

[1:27:27] Voice 11: I wanted to draw attention to and there's some divisiveness, there's some back and forth around

[1:27:33] Voice 11: whether or not preserving protected communities versus environment and a lot of it to me is kind

[1:27:38] Voice 11: of a misunderstanding i think we're all a lot of us are saying the same things i want to draw

[1:27:42] Voice 11: attention to page 19 it's in the second paragraph um and it says trust council understands mandate

[1:27:51] Voice 11: to include the preservation and protection of healthy inclusive communities that are dependent

[1:27:55] Voice 11: on sustainable energy efficient and appropriately located housing transportation infrastructure

[1:28:00] Voice 11: you know what if there's one sentence that i would change today it would be that one

[1:28:04] Voice 11: because i think it's sort of it's trying to interpret some of the confusing motions that

[1:28:08] Voice 11: that have come through in our Trust Council discussions

[1:28:11] Voice 11: as we attempt to sort of, you know,

[1:28:13] Voice 11: provide that context and that broad view.

[1:28:16] Voice 11: I would change that sentence to this.

[1:28:18] Voice 11: Trust Council understands its preserve and protect mandate

[1:28:21] Voice 11: is strengthened by healthy, inclusive communities

[1:28:24] Voice 11: that are dependent on sustainable, energy efficient

[1:28:26] Voice 11: and appropriately located housing,

[1:28:28] Voice 11: transportation and infrastructure.

[1:28:31] Voice 11: To me, that's the interconnectedness of this.

[1:28:34] Voice 11: It's not that we're preserving, protecting the communities

[1:28:36] Voice 11: as they as they are right now because we didn't step in as a as an entity as a as an institution

[1:28:43] Voice 11: as a political um representative representative um institution into that preserve and protect

[1:28:49] Voice 11: on the basis of of the environment and so there's some corrected measures that have to be undertaken

[1:28:54] Voice 11: um that's the one sentence that i would change and i'm ready for this to be discussed both within

[1:29:00] Voice 11: within the trust council context and going to referral,

[1:29:05] Voice 11: going back to each and every local trust committee,

[1:29:07] Voice 11: being on the agenda.

[1:29:08] Voice 11: And as we roll out and have the opportunity

[1:29:10] Voice 11: to discuss this with communities,

[1:29:11] Voice 11: I'm looking forward to those discussions

[1:29:13] Voice 11: and doing it with kindness and compassion

[1:29:16] Voice 11: and a real environment priority to it.

[1:29:20] Voice 11: So I'd like to congratulate staff on getting to that point.

[1:29:23] Voice 11: That's my one piece of substantive change I would make,

[1:29:26] Voice 11: because I think it helps interpret

[1:29:28] Voice 11: what we've been saying as a trust council.

[1:29:29] Voice 11: I also really appreciate the idea of equity, diversity and inclusion project. I'll be putting that forward to this committee or regional planning committee. That's, I think, a review that needs to happen of colonial Western systems that are not very mature in their age and the way that we go about this decision making has been really market forces dependent and developer responsive,

[1:29:58] Voice 11: As opposed to really.

[1:30:00] Voice 11: looking at some of the scientific values and having a place in the decision-making process

[1:30:06] Voice 11: for First Nations and respecting and recognizing that. And so those are my comments. I would also

[1:30:15] Voice 11: like to make clear that equity, diversity, inclusion is not a path to reconciliation.

[1:30:20] Voice 11: That's a way to measure Western systems of land use regulation. We still have to make that safe,

[1:30:26] Voice 11: respectful space to engage and do and meaningfully consult with first nations

[1:30:31] Voice 11: um and that's something that this document lays the the roadmap for um and i'd like to thank

[1:30:38] Voice 11: everyone for the opportunity to address this today and for the work christy

[1:30:42] Trustee Morrison: colburn can i ask you to

[1:30:44] Trustee Morrison: um email that sentence change to robert varlo i think i would like any changes in this version

[1:30:50] Trustee Morrison: of the document and committee to actually be motioned so that they're documented

[1:30:53] Trustee Morrison: Sure.

[1:30:54] Voice 11: I will email that. Thank you, Chair.

[1:30:57] Trustee Morrison: All right. Is that okay, Clare, if we do it by motions just so we're super clear about what it is?

[1:31:02] Trustee Morrison: I just want to make sure that given it doesn't seem like we have uniform agreement across the community, I just want to make sure the changes are clear.

[1:31:10] Trustee Morrison: All right. I also, so we'll come back to you in a second, Trustee Coburn, when that becomes a motion form.

[1:31:15] Trustee Morrison: um I also feel that um there were a number of points iterated in the town hall and at the

[1:31:25] Trustee Morrison: trust council meeting conversations with various community members in um June and in conversations

[1:31:32] Trustee Morrison: that I've had in community um around a couple issues one that the natural environment like

[1:31:41] Trustee Morrison: the idea of naming the natural environment I actually think is really important because

[1:31:44] Trustee Morrison: there is some confusion around this issue of built environment it's really bugging me a lot

[1:31:48] Trustee Morrison: um so that's one thing um i am a little bit interested in sort of being more explicit

[1:31:59] Trustee Morrison: in the area of 1.4 where we talk about the object of the trust and i feel that um

[1:32:08] Trustee Morrison: uh mr sketch's submission to the trust council in june actually provided some good language there

[1:32:15] Trustee Morrison: for being able to think about things like duty of care, or duty to consult. And so I would like to

[1:32:23] Trustee Morrison: see some of that language. And I think it would land in section 1.4, just to be more explicit,

[1:32:31] Trustee Morrison: because I am a little worried about the shells versus the like bust situation and establishing

[1:32:37] Trustee Morrison: some basic principles. And somebody said it earlier today, too, about the precautionary

[1:32:42] Trustee Morrison: principle i think it was alex mentioned it um and i think somebody else um franz maybe

[1:32:49] Trustee Morrison: talked about cumulative effects like having the language of precautionary principle sort of named

[1:32:56] Trustee Morrison: um in duty to consult would be something that i would want to see as well so i'm trying to figure

[1:33:02] Trustee Morrison: out how to put some language together for emotion around that um but those are the things that stuck

[1:33:07] Trustee Morrison: stuck out to me as potential um changes um yeah so I'll come back to the idea of natural in a

[1:33:20] Trustee Morrison: second and think about how to handle that with the idea of reconciliation and not interfering with

[1:33:25] Trustee Morrison: like what constitutes like if if the other statements that we've made in the context of

[1:33:32] Trustee Morrison: indigenous heritage and rights in the space um address issues of natural or not we have to think

[1:33:38] Trustee Morrison: um okay trustee langrace yeah

[1:33:45] Voice 27: i uh when i read this doc when i read this we read this document

[1:33:50] Voice 27: i came up with new points that are rules for me one of which i sent on in an email which is

[1:33:55] Voice 27: surrounding the section 1.2 establishment of the islands trust when i i was focused more in on the

[1:34:02] Voice 27: directives rather than on the introductory section and i realized that where it says in the 1.2

[1:34:09] Voice 27: without any meaningful form of local government for non-incorporated island communities and we're

[1:34:15] Voice 27: talking about regional districts right i'm not sure why you know so my sense is we should be

[1:34:20] Voice 27: clear as to what was occurring at the time in prior to 74 and as well between 74 and 77 because

[1:34:28] Voice 27: there was a an instrumental change to the whole structure of the island's trust in 77 when we

[1:34:35] Voice 27: we were given land use regulation.

[1:34:37] Voice 27: And the way it reads now,

[1:34:40] Voice 27: someone would not realize that in 1974,

[1:34:44] Voice 27: local trust committees did not have

[1:34:46] Voice 27: land use regulation authority,

[1:34:49] Voice 27: that they were given it at that point in time.

[1:34:51] Voice 27: So it's sort of just, it's not clear to me

[1:34:56] Voice 27: that someone reading it would actually understand that.

[1:34:59] Voice 27: So my sense is that rather than saying something like

[1:35:03] Voice 27: without any meaningful form of local government,

[1:35:05] Voice 27: we should just say that Gulf Island residents whose islands were under the jurisdiction of

[1:35:11] Voice 27: regional districts at the time began expressing widespread concern that etc etc etc and that just

[1:35:18] Voice 27: makes clear that the genesis of it was basically local government management of the area at the

[1:35:25] Voice 27: time and that there wasn't enough of a focus on the environmental integrity of the of the trust

[1:35:31] Voice 27: area and the overdevelopment and the rapid population growth was impacting the trust area.

[1:35:37] Voice 27: The other part is that where it talks about special purpose government, really we're a trust

[1:35:48] Voice 27: and so what I'm suggesting is in the sentence where it says in response to the committee's

[1:35:53] Voice 27: recommendations, the government of the British Columbia enacted the Islands Trust Act in 1974.

[1:35:57] Voice 27: the act established the islands trust it says as a special purpose government well it wasn't a

[1:36:04] Voice 27: special purpose government in 1974 it was a trust a trust that vetted the bylaws of regional

[1:36:11] Voice 27: districts so i just my sense it should say a trust not a special purpose government they had

[1:36:17] Voice 27: no land use regulation in 74 no authority to establish it they could only vet it and then

[1:36:24] Voice 27: And the third one is in the later where it talks about between 1974 and 1987, where the population increased.

[1:36:34] Voice 27: And then several amendments were made to the Island Trust Act.

[1:36:37] Voice 27: And here's where it glosses over the 1977 changes, which really set the framework for the Island's Trust.

[1:36:46] Voice 27: The 1989 changes were the administrative improvement, just as well as a number of the other changes throughout the years.

[1:36:53] Voice 27: But that is the real start of Islands Trust and local trust committees as we operate now, you know, with land use regulation.

[1:37:02] Voice 27: So a trust that has the authority under local government.

[1:37:04] Voice 27: So I put forward some not specific wording, but just to sort of point out the fact of what actually changed at that point in time.

[1:37:15] Voice 27: I think that's important for people to understand.

[1:37:18] Voice 27: The other comment I have is I did a run through.

[1:37:22] Voice 27: we use the term protected area networks and we don't define it now when i read it i think of

[1:37:29] Voice 27: in terms of parks i don't know if it's intended to include development permit areas or not

[1:37:34] Voice 27: and that's a question i guess for for staff does that mean uh development approval area

[1:37:43] Voice 27: or is it really talking about parks can

[1:37:47] Trustee Morrison: we get clarity on that last one

[1:37:53] Voice 4: claire could you navigate to the beginning of part four please

[1:37:57] Voice 4: um yes we

[1:38:02] Voice 21: have a page number to get me there and otherwise i'll just give everyone a little bit of

[1:38:08] Voice 21: seasickness here there we are

[1:38:10] Trustee Morrison: it's okay um and robert i forwarded case's um uh communication

[1:38:18] Trustee Morrison: his comments to you i didn't know if you got them directly so i just forwarded you the file with

[1:38:23] Trustee Morrison: that language the case just talked through i

[1:38:27] Voice 14: have received your email okay

[1:38:30] Trustee Morrison: um if we can pull his um

[1:38:34] Trustee Morrison: comments into a document with potentially trustee Colburn's that are we're going to need to make

[1:38:39] Trustee Morrison: them into motions for changes so I just want to make sure we can see them at some point

[1:38:44] Trustee Morrison: we're not urgent but we'll get back to them I have a list of them

[1:38:48] Trustee Morrison: okay um go ahead so the clarification case again was related to the um protected area networks

[1:38:57] Voice 27: which is what trust committees are supposed to establish uh I'm not sure if that means

[1:39:03] Voice 27: development permit areas or whether that's just talking about parks or designated areas where you

[1:39:08] Voice 27: want to have parks okay

[1:39:11] Voice 4: so i'll just say um what we have said here in the preamble to part four

[1:39:15] Voice 4: uh in the trust area um so i'll start off with the preceding sentence an ecosystem has

[1:39:22] Voice 4: environmental integrity when its dominant characteristics natural composition structure

[1:39:27] Voice 4: function and processes occur within their natural ranges of variation and can withstand and recover

[1:39:33] Voice 4: cover from most disruptions imposed by human activity or environmental dynamics such as

[1:39:38] Voice 4: climate change. In trust area, the establishment of networks of protected areas and unfragmented

[1:39:44] Voice 4: forest reserves that are large enough to contain and sustain native trust area species is essential

[1:39:51] Voice 4: to environmental integrity. So as you'll recall in part three, we've prioritized the environmental

[1:39:56] Voice 4: mental integrity of the area. This is one of the tools and approaches to managing that process.

[1:40:03] Voice 4: The specific planning tools, there's quite a range of them, which would include

[1:40:07] Voice 4: development preliminaries, the possibilities of down zoning. We have decision support tools that

[1:40:15] Voice 4: the Conservancy has developed to use all the mapping that we have of both the natural and

[1:40:21] Voice 4: built environment and I presented this to the committee on May 3rd as an introduction and so

[1:40:27] Voice 4: if this approach is approved it's been in the policy statement since the very first draft of

[1:40:34] Voice 4: the policy statement but hasn't been taken up so we in the implementation process feel that a toolkit

[1:40:40] Voice 4: would serve trust council in defining how this would be carried out but it would involve a number

[1:40:46] Voice 4: number of different planning tools that the policy statement doesn't get into that level of detail.

[1:40:51] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:40:52] Voice 27: Well, thank you for that. That helps. But what I did was I went through the draft and I

[1:40:59] Voice 27: searched for protected area networks and I searched for environmental integrity. That's the

[1:41:05] Voice 27: other term that we use throughout. And I looked at for protected area networks, there are basically

[1:41:12] Voice 27: four directives related to that, and that's in housing under 618, 612, 624, and 635. The rest

[1:41:26] Voice 27: are commitments or coordination. And then I did a search on environmental integrity,

[1:41:31] Voice 27: and I found three directives related to local trust committees. 416, which requires

[1:41:40] Voice 27: to maintain the protected area networks to preserve the environmental integrity of the ecosystem

[1:41:47] Voice 27: and in forests to prioritize environmental integrity by protecting unfragmented forest

[1:41:55] Voice 27: ecosystem. And then 4.6.12, which is that in the coastal marine area, not compromise environmental

[1:42:03] Voice 27: integrity of coastal and marine environment. So I looked at those and then if those are the

[1:42:10] Voice 27: the directions for local trust committees on environmental integrity and in housing it's

[1:42:16] Voice 27: protected area networks i'm not sure what's the difference between the two other than

[1:42:22] Voice 27: development permit areas so

[1:42:24] Voice 4: maybe it can clarify i'm not quite sure um so this context at the

[1:42:29] Voice 4: beginning of part four speaks to environmental integrity i would say that the whole draft so

[1:42:34] Voice 4: when we're talking about the policy statement it's the whole document it's very hard to silo

[1:42:39] Voice 4: into kind of specifics like this addresses this the whole document is intended to um support the

[1:42:47] Voice 4: integrity of the natural environment in the trust area um and so this gives an understanding at a

[1:42:53] Voice 4: high level and then claire if you can scroll down to the next page please um so in directive policy

[1:43:00] Voice 4: 4.1.6 this hasn't changed since the last policy statement local trust committees and island

[1:43:06] Voice 4: municipalities shall in their official community plans and regulatory bylaws identify establish

[1:43:12] Voice 4: and maintain a network of protected areas of sufficient size and distribution to preserve

[1:43:18] Voice 4: the environmental integrity of ecosystems in their planning area this is exactly a policy that has

[1:43:24] Voice 4: been in the policy statement for however many years and has not been taken up and so what we've

[1:43:31] Voice 4: done throughout the document is provide some more supportive language such that this is actually

[1:43:36] Voice 4: implemented and in the implementation process what we would be doing is fleshing out a toolkit

[1:43:41] Voice 4: with planning tools decision support tools that already exist with the conservancy that could be

[1:43:48] Voice 4: that could guide local trust committees and island municipalities in that process of how to do that

[1:43:53] Voice 4: in a more meaningful way and then I'd also say that throughout the document you'll see a sort of

[1:44:00] Voice 4: recurring refrain of prioritizing the safeguarding of networks of protected areas,

[1:44:08] Voice 4: freshwater sustainability, a healthy marine environment, and Indigenous cultural heritage.

[1:44:15] Voice 4: And we sort of have kind of coined that the no compromise list. If we are going to maintain a

[1:44:21] Voice 4: focus on upholding the island's trust object, those considerations should be guiding all

[1:44:26] Voice 4: decision-making in a trust area. So that's why you'll see it recurring. But I wouldn't characterize

[1:44:31] Voice 4: it as environmental integrity being just in one or two policies. I would say this whole draft

[1:44:37] Voice 4: is an attempt to define how environmental integrity is prioritized and protected.

[1:44:43] Voice 4: So

[1:44:44] Voice 27: environmental integrity is the overarching policy. That's right.

[1:44:49] Voice 27: That's right.

[1:44:50] Voice 27: Okay. See, what happens is when you read a document, you know, trust policy

[1:44:55] Voice 27: you say for so many years you read it you you go to day to day you don't necessarily pick up on

[1:44:59] Voice 27: things a new document comes in it changes things dramatically you pick up on certain things but

[1:45:06] Voice 27: over time as you reread it you read it you pick up on new things and that's why sometimes well

[1:45:11] Voice 27: for myself anyway time is needed to pick up on some of these nuances so thank you okay trustee

[1:45:22] Trustee Morrison: rogers thanks

[1:45:28] Trustee Rogers: i just have two um points i want to make first is that um as with trustee colbert i

[1:45:35] Trustee Rogers: agree about the natural environment and i would propose and will be make when you want to have a

[1:45:40] Trustee Rogers: motion to have a motion that simply says that we add a line in the death in the trust policy

[1:45:47] Trustee Rogers: statement that says wherever we refer to the environment we were we are referring to the

[1:45:51] Trustee Rogers: a natural environment yeah

[1:45:53] Trustee Morrison: i'm going to cautious caution us on doing that right now just i think

[1:45:57] Trustee Morrison: there's a little bit more discussion before we put a motion like that on the table no

[1:46:00] Trustee Rogers: i didn't put it

[1:46:01] Trustee Rogers: on the table that's what i'm thinking of and the reason i just so i can tell you why i think that's

[1:46:06] Trustee Rogers: the appropriate motion is i don't think we want to go in and add the word natural throughout the

[1:46:11] Trustee Rogers: document because the trust section three refers to the environment and we don't want to be we don't

[1:46:16] Trustee Rogers: want to be mixing new language into that um my other comment is is um and we heard a comment from

[1:46:25] Trustee Rogers: trustee kale um and i think we'll hear from other people about uh the use of the word shall

[1:46:32] Trustee Rogers: throughout the document um and it's it's noticeable uh and um it and and i'm not a i'm

[1:46:42] Trustee Rogers: not concerned about the word shall, to be honest, because I think we've had enough discussion about

[1:46:48] Trustee Rogers: how directive it will be. We'll see what Trust Council thinks. It's always what follows that

[1:46:53] Trustee Rogers: that concerns me. What is it you shall do? And that's where, as Trustee Brent said,

[1:47:01] Trustee Rogers: that's the key. And I have a lot of time for you shall do plans or you shall create this in your

[1:47:10] Trustee Rogers: in your OCP.

[1:47:12] Trustee Rogers: What I do have some difficulty with is a couple of occasions

[1:47:16] Trustee Rogers: where, and in particular in 4.2.7 and 4.2.8,

[1:47:22] Trustee Rogers: which is where it was most noticeable for me,

[1:47:26] Trustee Rogers: where it said, we shall ensure

[1:47:31] Trustee Rogers: that there's adequate water on the islet,

[1:47:34] Trustee Rogers: effectively what it says, if you look at 4.2.7.

[1:47:37] Trustee Rogers: um and uh or that it's that's that the islands are self-sufficient in the supply of

[1:47:46] Trustee Rogers: fresh water i have to say i have real strong concerns about creating um uh obligations on

[1:47:55] Trustee Rogers: a local trust committee that they can't possibly uh meet and may set them up for liability concerns

[1:48:02] Trustee Rogers: in the future and i would much prefer if there was language that said something like

[1:48:07] Trustee Rogers: uh shall uh endeavor to ensure or make best efforts to ensure um in both 4.2.7 and 4.2.8

[1:48:17] Trustee Rogers: where we're talking about physical um uh assets that in a that we only have very partial control

[1:48:25] Trustee Rogers: around up about so i'll probably be making a motion on those two there may be a couple of

[1:48:32] Trustee Rogers: others i did those are the two that stood out for me um where i went how are we going to do that

[1:48:37] Trustee Rogers: uh but um but those but those are the two that stood out for me so um i'll just stop there thank

[1:48:45] Trustee Rogers: you thank

[1:48:47] Trustee Morrison: you um and i just wanted to i figured out what my thought was and like the processing

[1:48:54] Trustee Morrison: and looking back on the natural environment um issue so the natural environment challenge was

[1:49:00] Trustee Morrison: was around the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that using the word natural

[1:49:08] Trustee Morrison: is problematic because it's a settler perspective on the environment. And so thinking about

[1:49:14] Trustee Morrison: including it or not including it complicates other issues in the statement. So it's a little bit

[1:49:20] Trustee Morrison: challenging to figure that out. And that's something that can be named as a question

[1:49:25] Trustee Morrison: as we refer things out to First Nations?

[1:49:28] Trustee Morrison: How do we protect the ecosystems

[1:49:30] Trustee Morrison: and that type of component

[1:49:36] Trustee Morrison: of our preserve and protect mandate

[1:49:39] Trustee Morrison: in language that still allows

[1:49:41] Trustee Morrison: for the protection of indigenous heritage

[1:49:43] Trustee Morrison: and places such as Mitten,

[1:49:45] Trustee Morrison: such as a built environment by indigenous communities

[1:49:49] Trustee Morrison: historically and potentially currently and in the future.

[1:49:53] Trustee Morrison: So that's the sort of tension that we have

[1:49:55] Trustee Morrison: with some of the language we're using. I had Rogers, I had Colburn next, but I don't see his

[1:50:02] Trustee Morrison: hand up. I see, I don't know who went first. Sorry about that. Caleb, I think, and then Lacham.

[1:50:12] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair. Just two points. Firstly, thank you, Trustee Rogers, for the shall, because

[1:50:17] Voice 26: surely the acid test is if I'm being told I shall do something, then my answer is, well,

[1:50:24] Voice 26: well, tell me exactly what I shall do. And if you can't answer that question in terms of tell me

[1:50:31] Voice 26: exactly what you should, I shall do, then please change the language. Because if you're going to

[1:50:37] Voice 26: use directive terms, then you must be able to quantify and be specific in terms of exactly

[1:50:44] Voice 26: what it is you expect. And I appreciate Trustee Rogers' alternative language that if you cannot

[1:50:51] Voice 26: not be specific, kindly change it to language he suggested, because otherwise, it just it just

[1:50:58] Voice 26: loses all credibility. I wonder on page 37. And 38. At the bottom of the page, I saw something,

[1:51:08] Voice 26: and I really wish I'd had longer to review this document. And there are two references there to

[1:51:14] Voice 26: private docks limited to boat access only properties new and a very similar remark on page

[1:51:24] Voice 26: 28 prohibit private docks except where properties are boat access new. Now could someone please

[1:51:33] Voice 26: explain to me with 450 islands are we now suggesting a moratorium on private docks?

[1:51:41] Voice 26: I just trying to understand, can someone tell me exactly what does this language mean?

[1:51:48] Voice 26: Because if we're saying there's going to be a moratorium on all private docks and that's the island trust position, I sure would like to know that.

[1:51:56] Voice 26: And today. So could someone just explain to me exactly what the intent is of this of this seeming moratorium on private docks?

[1:52:06] Voice 26: I

[1:52:07] Trustee Morrison: mean I'll take that one first because I actually asked about that too when that was coming by in

[1:52:13] Trustee Morrison: different places so and just to be clear it's not a moratorium on private docks it's no private

[1:52:19] Trustee Morrison: docks except where there's boat access so it's asking if there's road access to have private

[1:52:25] Trustee Morrison: docks that's the difference that I would make and I do think that's what it's saying that there

[1:52:32] Trustee Morrison: there would be no docks in places where there's road access,

[1:52:35] Trustee Morrison: except in clustered areas where it's approved that are zoned for marinas.

[1:52:41] Trustee Morrison: And part of the rationale, there's two rationales that I was given around that.

[1:52:46] Trustee Morrison: One is that the province does not necessarily wish to have docks everywhere

[1:52:51] Trustee Morrison: because they are problematic from an environmental perspective

[1:52:55] Trustee Morrison: to have docks all over the place.

[1:52:58] Trustee Morrison: and then the other one was that it and I might be wrong that might be the feds but the the docks

[1:53:05] Trustee Morrison: generally are not seen like the proliferation of docks in private spaces is not seen to be

[1:53:10] Trustee Morrison: a beneficial thing to the environment and then the second piece is through my own understanding

[1:53:17] Trustee Morrison: of the environmental health of the oceans that limiting docks into specific zones or areas where

[1:53:25] Trustee Morrison: there is minimal damage that they can do is better because we're protecting and preserving

[1:53:32] Trustee Morrison: the marine environment just as much as the terrestrial. So that was the idea. And if I

[1:53:37] Trustee Morrison: can just ask for clarity on, I don't know who would offer that if I'm off base, because that's

[1:53:43] Trustee Morrison: just my interpretation of it. Is there other clarity, Claire or others that needs to be had

[1:53:47] Trustee Morrison: there?

[1:53:53] Voice 21: I'm waiting to see if my team is popping in. I was

[1:53:57] Voice 4: waiting for you, Claire. I would say,

[1:53:59] Voice 4: Yeah, that's a good characterization. When we looked at the document, we looked through the lenses of climate change, reconciliation and affordable housing.

[1:54:09] Voice 4: And from a perspective of preserving and protecting a healthy marine environment, as well as First Nations concerns around the marine environment and cultural heritage along the shorelines, this was recommended along those lines.

[1:54:26] Voice 4: so you'll see it's um it should be both green and blue it's hard the color coding is not a

[1:54:32] Voice 4: direct science i

[1:54:34] Voice 26: i understand chair about putting them in areas designated where they will do no

[1:54:40] Voice 26: damage but you're telling 450 islands that unless their their properties are water access only

[1:54:49] Voice 26: only the the trust world is really opposing a private doc and i i just shuddered to believe

[1:54:56] Voice 26: that where did this come up we've never discussed this this has never been part of any discussion

[1:55:03] Voice 26: at all this is a very very draconian measure if you intend to put this because i really want to

[1:55:09] Voice 26: know and get this out to the public if this is really what you intend to do because honestly

[1:55:15] Voice 26: Firstly, get us out because because this is this is just this is just dictatorial establishing areas where docs can do no harm.

[1:55:27] Voice 26: So I back that any time and creating doc safe areas.

[1:55:32] Voice 26: Absolutely. However you want to phrase it. But what you've done here is you've just eliminated docs throughout the trust area unless that.

[1:55:40] Voice 26: And how many houses do we have?

[1:55:43] Voice 26: Well, we probably do, but certainly on Bowen, we don't.

[1:55:46] Voice 26: Very few, which are water access only.

[1:55:49] Voice 26: So, I mean, if you're going to bring this on, I sure want to know about it in its present form.

[1:55:54] Voice 26: But I could only counsel that this wording needs very serious thoughts because this is absolute dictatorship.

[1:56:02] Voice 26: And that's how it's

[1:56:03] Voice 26: supposed to be seen.

[1:56:04] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Kale, I'm going to ask you to be solution oriented and suggest a rewording if you don't

[1:56:10] Trustee Morrison: like the wording of it.

[1:56:10] Voice 26: If I may, and it will take some time, and I will absolutely do that.

[1:56:16] Voice 26: I won't do it on the fly, if I may, Chair, because I would want to give it thoughts to

[1:56:20] Voice 26: our own planners of how we might count this, because I understand the intent.

[1:56:25] Voice 26: I support the intent, because uncontrolled docs brawl is something we don't want to see.

[1:56:34] Voice 26: But surely, for the passage of what we're trying to achieve here, this, without consideration, would be a definite stumbling block, and you're just going to get enormous pushback, and people will just see it as an undue measure of control.

[1:56:52] Voice 26: So I will come up, but I would ask for a little time to consider that.

[1:56:56] Voice 26: Yeah, yeah.

[1:56:57] Trustee Morrison: I'll add

[1:56:58] Voice 26: it

[1:57:00] Trustee Morrison: to the list of various pieces.

[1:57:02] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. And again, I think another thing to consider here in this space, because we haven't had a lot of time with the document, is this conversation is helping us lift particular things that might be of concern that we can bring into very specific recommendations that you've run by staff or thought about together, now in the July 8th meeting as well.

[1:57:22] Trustee Morrison: so I there's no like tension to like have to get every detail in today into this because we can

[1:57:30] Trustee Morrison: bring those forward as edits at the July 8th meeting as well and that will allow you a little

[1:57:34] Trustee Morrison: bit of time to be able to think through that language if you need it so I don't want us to

[1:57:39] Trustee Morrison: be rushed today but I am keeping track of them so that when we come back to this either later

[1:57:45] Trustee Morrison: today or on the July 8th meeting that we will actually address these particular issues that

[1:57:49] Trustee Morrison: that have been named.

[1:57:51] Trustee Morrison: I think it's actually Chair Luckow

[1:57:55] Trustee Morrison: and then we'll go back to Trustee Langeres.

[1:57:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[1:58:00] Trustee Luckham: I was trying to review that section

[1:58:03] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Cahill was talking about.

[1:58:05] Trustee Luckham: Certainly we need some clarity around that.

[1:58:10] Trustee Luckham: I'm not a voting member and subsequently

[1:58:14] Trustee Luckham: nor can I make a motion, I would believe,

[1:58:18] Trustee Luckham: leave, but I have actually sent some wording to Robert Barlow in the event that if anybody

[1:58:28] Trustee Luckham: agrees with them to say that they might want to consider making a motion. I'm not going

[1:58:34] Trustee Luckham: to touch on environment or housing or any of these other things. It's just some subtleties

[1:58:39] Trustee Luckham: in the language. Actually, right in the present context part of the document and maybe a little

[1:58:45] Trustee Luckham: little further along there's three areas that I'd like to make a remark on and one is on page 17

[1:58:53] Trustee Luckham: of the document and that's of the entire document not of the policy itself so page 17 of the agenda

[1:59:02] Trustee Luckham: I guess I'll call it and it's the first paragraph which is in purple and about one two three four

[1:59:08] Trustee Luckham: four lines down. It says, comma, prevalence of illegal housing. I know I've never really liked

[1:59:17] Trustee Luckham: the phrase illegal housing or legal anything and wonder whether or not we might change that in some

[1:59:25] Trustee Luckham: way. I would be happier with the word not legal as opposed to illegal. But what I have, what I'd

[1:59:33] Trustee Luckham: prepared to propose as an amendment to that section is as follows in replacing illegal housing

[1:59:40] Trustee Luckham: with not permitted comma unsafe and unhealthy housing with no permanence or security for

[1:59:50] Trustee Luckham: individuals and families and so that and I can bring this up at council if nobody wants to make

[1:59:59] Trustee Luckham: the motion here.

[2:00:00] Trustee Luckham: I just thought it was appropriate for me to raise the thought here to see whether or not

[2:00:08] Trustee Luckham: TPC is prepared to support it or not. So that's the first one. And Chair, if you like, I can go

[2:00:16] Trustee Luckham: to the other two, not too complex. And then if anybody wants to consider them, that would be

[2:00:24] Trustee Luckham: be terrific. And like I say, Robert has something. So on page 17 also, the second paragraph, which is

[2:00:34] Trustee Luckham: in yellow, fabulous paragraph. However, I think it falls short. And what I would like to suggest

[2:00:45] Trustee Luckham: is that adding at the end of the paragraph following, but also for many generations to come,

[2:00:52] Trustee Luckham: I would like to say, including First Nations who wish to come home or have access to traditional

[2:01:02] Trustee Luckham: uses. There's some fundamental language earlier on that is recognizing the necessity for access

[2:01:08] Trustee Luckham: for First Nations. And for me, one of those aspects to that is providing the language around

[2:01:15] Trustee Luckham: the opportunity that we are interested in the opportunity for First Nations to come back home,

[2:01:19] Trustee Luckham: of which I think it's 38,000 individuals consider the trust area their home. So for

[2:01:29] Trustee Luckham: your consideration. The final one is on page 20 in yellow. Oh, I don't think it's that page 20.

[2:01:45] Trustee Luckham: um this was the trick um in fact it's where it says quietude um thank you robert sorry for the

[2:02:00] Trustee Luckham: that it

[2:02:02] Voice 14: may be uh oh

[2:02:03] Trustee Luckham: thank you page 19 you're correct absolutely correct um where it says

[2:02:14] Trustee Luckham: as quietude. I'm not seeing it there. Just pull it up on my

[2:02:21] Trustee Luckham: screen. I think I had it listed. Environmental. Bear with me. And

[2:02:28] Trustee Luckham: I do apologize.

[2:02:31] Voice 4: They're

[2:02:32] Trustee Fenton: in the right.

[2:02:34] Voice 4: It's highlighted on the screen. Claire has highlighted on the

[2:02:37] Voice 4: screen for you.

[2:02:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay, and so that is indeed page six of the policy. Page 19 of

[2:02:43] Trustee Luckham: of the agenda. So thank, oh yeah, you're perfect. You've grabbed that. So that's a lovely word,

[2:02:49] Trustee Luckham: quietude. I'm just going to introduce the word silence. And that word silence is the way

[2:02:58] Trustee Luckham: Henry Thoreau characterizes it. And he says, if I misquote him, I apologize,

[2:03:05] Trustee Luckham: in the silence, you can hear the unspeakable. And that isn't any topic or philosophy. It's just you

[2:03:12] Trustee Luckham: in the silence you can hear anything and I think that when we're sitting outside on a quiet evening

[2:03:21] Trustee Luckham: and we hear the silence it's stunning and that's one thing that is so very different than other

[2:03:28] Trustee Luckham: places that we travel to so we'd like to consider adding the word silence before the word quietude

[2:03:34] Trustee Luckham: not replacing it because quietude has its own characteristic opportunity for reflection

[2:03:40] Trustee Luckham: election. But that may be a little too dreamy for some. I think that I carry that phrase with me

[2:03:48] Trustee Luckham: all my life. So thank you. Those are my changes. I'd just like to make a couple of quick remarks.

[2:03:54] Trustee Luckham: In section 100 in general, it actually talks about where development is permitted.

[2:04:00] Trustee Luckham: And there's just so much insignificance around whatever we do, we can do as long as it's

[2:04:05] Trustee Luckham: permitted. And that's what our zoning is meant to do. It also says, I think, later on, it talks

[2:04:13] Trustee Luckham: about that we have the responsibility to carefully manage and requires limitation. Those are really

[2:04:22] Trustee Luckham: important elements. And I think one thing that I've enjoyed on this particular, well, on both

[2:04:27] Trustee Luckham: versions of the draft, it's more obvious in this version of the draft, is that it embraces the

[2:04:32] Trustee Luckham: the future for the island's trust area, but it also embraces some historic documents for us to

[2:04:39] Trustee Luckham: reflect back on and strengthen, and maybe where we've lost our way in some things. I really

[2:04:45] Trustee Luckham: appreciated going back to those original documents and enhancing the language that's there. And

[2:04:51] Trustee Luckham: finally, I just want to note from one of the speakers in town hall, cumulative effects and

[2:04:57] Trustee Luckham: or cumulative impact, depending on how you phrase it, is referenced five times in this document.

[2:05:03] Trustee Luckham: It is not devoid of it. It's in Section 1.3. It's in Part 3. It's in Part 4. It's in Section 4.1.4

[2:05:12] Trustee Luckham: and Section 6.2.6. I encourage you to search for it. Cumulative effects, important topic,

[2:05:18] Trustee Luckham: and is included. Thank you very much.

[2:05:20] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. I'm going to keep going with

[2:05:23] Trustee Morrison: first speakers, and then I'll come back to second speakers if that's okay. Trustee Fenton.

[2:05:31] Trustee Fenton: excellent thank you um so i would um yeah i'm think this has been a great deal of effort gone

[2:05:40] Trustee Fenton: into this um trying to bring in and nuance things uh realizing that um i love how the drafts evolve

[2:05:50] Trustee Fenton: so um yeah good effort and thank you everybody who's participated in this so far um

[2:05:56] Trustee Fenton: I would like to come and I brought, sent this in, you know, where's I, what was I at here? One point.

[2:06:05] Voice 16: I was following the, what's it here? Six. There we

[2:06:13] Trustee Fenton: go. So on page six of the document, and I guess it'd be 19 of the overall package, second paragraph, the last sentence in green.

[2:06:24] Trustee Fenton: um the one thing that's always i was struggling with just because it's i've always had a tough

[2:06:31] Trustee Fenton: time trying to figure out carbon footprint but then there's a whole bunch of other stuff

[2:06:35] Trustee Fenton: associated with that and it's best explained with the ecological footprint and with that

[2:06:46] Trustee Fenton: so they explain on their site about the notion that actually carbon is it counts for 60 percent

[2:06:54] Trustee Fenton: of the actual impact and the other 40 percent of all of us you know not just the carbon footprint

[2:07:00] Trustee Fenton: but all of us the processes of milling and traveling to and taking the resources out of

[2:07:05] Trustee Fenton: wherever that's another and then the consumptive sort of human traits as we live in work and uh

[2:07:15] Trustee Fenton: yeah live within the amongst the other species is the other 40 so it's an important piece to capture

[2:07:21] Trustee Fenton: I've sent that to Robert, I sent that to Deb and Delaney on Sunday and or Monday, I guess.

[2:07:31] Trustee Fenton: And so, yeah, I just think if we were to rephrase that, I sent a suggested rephrasing stating that we commit to fostering a lower ecological footprint by reducing greenhouse gas emissions and strive to find a new path to conserve a finite

[2:07:52] Trustee Fenton: or finite natural resources and seeking that our nature-based solutions to climate change

[2:07:58] Trustee Fenton: um but anyways it's just a suggestion i think the uh make us more inclusive and that is truly one

[2:08:05] Trustee Fenton: of the pieces that we're missing in the bigger last 20 years is that we are busy taking out

[2:08:10] Trustee Fenton: resources but really not accounting for the other 40 percent of what we're doing and that's uh yeah

[2:08:17] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, I'm listening to the other comments

[2:08:19] Trustee Fenton: and yeah, thank you for the hard work.

[2:08:24] Trustee Fenton: It's been great, thank you.

[2:08:26] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[2:08:27] Trustee Morrison: All right, I have, I think Trustee Peterson

[2:08:31] Trustee Morrison: for the first time on this go through

[2:08:34] Trustee Morrison: and then we'll come back to Trustee Langerheis and Colburn.

[2:08:39] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[2:08:41] Voice 19: So yeah, I just want to echo what I've heard a little bit

[2:08:45] Voice 19: in terms of making it really clear

[2:08:50] Voice 19: that would be in the natural environment.

[2:08:52] Voice 19: I did hear from Chair Morrison that we need to be thoughtful

[2:08:58] Voice 19: about how we address that and so I'm mindful of that.

[2:09:05] Voice 19: I think it is important that we are able to have the public

[2:09:12] Voice 19: understand that we're addressing natural environment

[2:09:18] Voice 19: and not built environment and stuff like that

[2:09:21] Voice 19: when we use that word.

[2:09:23] Voice 19: On the shall,

[2:09:28] Voice 19: this is sort of right at the heart of what directive policies

[2:09:35] Voice 19: and the policy statement, what effect they actually have.

[2:09:39] Voice 19: Believe in the previous draft shall and must

[2:09:43] Voice 19: were sort of both views and perhaps

[2:09:46] Voice 19: not perfectly consistency.

[2:09:47] Voice 19: And I think unless I've missed it,

[2:09:49] Voice 19: I think that this is sort of, this draft has regularized them all so that they say shall rather than some saying shall and some saying must.

[2:10:01] Voice 19: And the important thing, of course, is that directive policies are the way that the policy statement and thereby trust council make an impact on what happens to local trust areas.

[2:10:17] Voice 19: From my point of view, the reality is that a lot of the distress we hear from constituents

[2:10:22] Voice 19: about tree cutting or other types of environmental degradation that are happening or overpopulation

[2:10:29] Voice 19: or stresses on water resources really come down to LTCs having been permissive in terms

[2:10:42] Voice 19: of the type of development that has been allowed to happen up to this time on many, many islands.

[2:10:49] Voice 19: And that's really sort of the crucial thing here, because without robust local bylaws,

[2:11:04] Voice 19: and it's true, there's not a huge amount of tools in our toolkit to really do this.

[2:11:10] Voice 19: but there are things like development permit areas

[2:11:13] Voice 19: and I hear from stories of new concepts

[2:11:22] Voice 19: of how to use development permit areas

[2:11:25] Voice 19: to address some of these issues.

[2:11:27] Voice 19: And then of course, my old saw again

[2:11:29] Voice 19: and I'll bring it back

[2:11:30] Voice 19: but is the minimum lot size at subdivision.

[2:11:35] Voice 19: And if I heard one of the first people in town

[2:11:41] Voice 19: Town Hall talking about moratorium on further development, if we continue to allow subdivision

[2:11:52] Voice 19: of small lots in the trust area, we're going to continue to permit further degradation

[2:12:00] Voice 19: of the environment and uh and and so i'm very um you know when when people express concerns that

[2:12:12] Voice 19: that density is being allowed to increase the development is continuing and uh more trees are

[2:12:18] Voice 19: being cut and more devastation we have some tools um and so it's either the ltcs need to be stepping

[2:12:27] Voice 19: up and using those tools to fulfill the mandate or the policy statement needs to address them

[2:12:32] Voice 19: in directive policies by demanding that the LTCs do it and if neither the LTCs are doing it or the

[2:12:40] Voice 19: policy statement directives are doing it then we're not doing it and so that's that's a serious

[2:12:48] Voice 19: tension in terms of are we actually working towards fulfilling the object of the trust or not

[2:12:54] Voice 19: so i just wanted to flag that as uh some

[2:12:58] Voice 16: of my thoughts thank you thank you and i think trustee

[2:13:07] Trustee Morrison: probably will respond to that directly but i i think that there also was an issue in those two

[2:13:13] Trustee Morrison: instances that were raised which i think was uh 4.2.7 and 4.2.8 that that those it wasn't so much

[2:13:21] Trustee Morrison: about the shell it was more about are they doable like are the is the rest of the clause doable

[2:13:27] Trustee Morrison: doable. So I think that was more of the concern.

[2:13:31] Voice 19: If I may, Tara, I just finished that thought.

[2:13:35] Trustee Morrison: Because

[2:13:35] Voice 19: it's absolutely appropriate that we look at what we're saying LTCs shall do and think about

[2:13:42] Voice 19: whether that is doable, A, and whether it's appropriate and that's what we want to require

[2:13:48] Voice 19: LTCs to do. So I'm not quibbling with that at all. Yeah.

[2:13:52] Voice 19: I'm just, yeah, thanks. Yeah. No,

[2:13:55] Trustee Morrison: No, thank you. I think I would echo to your statement that like shall is a good thing to do

[2:14:00] Trustee Morrison: in our directive policies, simple, clear, but then if we have, if we don't think that the next phase

[2:14:05] Trustee Morrison: is doable, that we, we change that. Like that's, that seems to me the better solution to be

[2:14:12] Trustee Morrison: consistent in the shell and our directive policies and to change the thing if we don't think it's

[2:14:16] Trustee Morrison: doable um okay i let me figure out where i'm at here i have i think all second speakers so

[2:14:26] Trustee Morrison: trustee colburn i think uh yeah so trustee colburn and then trustee kale oh trustee mcconaughey i

[2:14:33] Trustee Morrison: don't think i've heard you yet no i haven't so let's take you and then we'll come back to

[2:14:37] Trustee Morrison: trustee colburn and trustee kale okay

[2:14:42] Trustee McConchie: uh thanks for everyone's thoughts um here are my thoughts

[2:14:46] Trustee McConchie: I don't know how they'll fly but whatever I'm just going to share my personal political thoughts

[2:14:53] Trustee McConchie: based on comments I've heard from the community the purple sections get rid of them and replace

[2:15:00] Trustee McConchie: it with trust council will encourage other governments to do their job with regards to

[2:15:06] Trustee McConchie: housing section 3.1.1 the primary responsibility of trust councils provide leadership for the

[2:15:13] Trustee McConchie: preservation and protection get rid of the word unique amenities and just put environment of the

[2:15:18] Trustee McConchie: trust area um i would also i'm also concerned that um while obviously this intent of engaging

[2:15:27] Trustee McConchie: first nations is amazing um you know they first nations don't have a vote on our trust council

[2:15:35] Trustee McConchie: right so it's no matter what at the end of the day what's going to happen is or we have a policy

[2:15:42] Trustee McConchie: statement that has the intent of wanting to collaborate but we're taking our colonial

[2:15:47] Trustee McConchie: government we're saying hey you know what do you think of us rather than our first nations

[2:15:53] Trustee McConchie: members and counselors being voting members of trust council so um those are my those are my

[2:16:02] Trustee McConchie: basic um thoughts and i i i don't know maybe they're helpful i have no idea thanks thank

[2:16:09] Trustee Morrison: trustee mcconaghy that was actually one of the reasons i voted for the select review because

[2:16:13] Trustee Morrison: because maybe they'll suggest we should have a change in the act and we should actually have

[2:16:16] Trustee Morrison: co-government. Anyway, just a thought. All right, Trustee Colburn, you've been very patient. I keep

[2:16:22] Trustee Morrison: almost calling on you and backing off. Let's go for it.

[2:16:25] Voice 11: No, I think Trustee McConkie just voiced

[2:16:28] Voice 11: what came up in the reconciliation working group. We were basically talking about how do we get rid

[2:16:32] Voice 11: of some of the powers we have and make this more, you know, really step into the cooperative

[2:16:37] Voice 11: cooperative shared decision making. And the policy statement, you know, is kind of the

[2:16:41] Voice 11: intermediate layer. I would love to step into that more boldly. And I think the province has to

[2:16:46] Voice 11: change the trust object and change the trust act. And basically all these things that are happening

[2:16:51] Voice 11: within the context of the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. We've jumped

[2:16:56] Voice 11: ahead in some ways and it's not far enough in my opinion. But, you know, we're still with this

[2:17:02] Voice 11: document stepping into a space that I don't think any other special purpose trust local government

[2:17:07] Voice 11: has um and so i think i think that's an important step i want to uh put forward um uh trustee

[2:17:15] Voice 11: luckham's uh motions i completely agree that i had made notes of things uh for today's meeting

[2:17:22] Voice 11: and just you know for myself but uh just leaving illegal housing i think um um is is not reflective

[2:17:29] Voice 11: i thought his wording was perfect it kind of echoed what what i was thinking also the word

[2:17:33] Voice 11: silence um i so i've just got raising a question of process for today you know given the time you

[2:17:40] Voice 11: know i we put we've heard some things trustee kale i'm all for telling people not to have dogs

[2:17:45] Voice 11: you know we have to ask people bring people along there are sacrifices to be made for the

[2:17:51] Voice 11: environment we're stepping into that more boldly i'm not in favor of of of changing that at this

[2:17:56] Voice 11: point i'd like that to go to community have a discussion about things things of that nature

[2:18:00] Voice 11: exactly but I've heard I put forward some language to Robert Barlow and I

[2:18:06] Voice 11: would like to second or put forward Trustee Luckum's motions.

[2:18:11] Trustee Morrison: Okay I'm gonna

[2:18:12] Trustee Morrison: actually just pause for us for a second. Delaunay and Claire what is the most

[2:18:18] Trustee Morrison: like expeditious issue? Would you like motions so we're super clear on

[2:18:24] Trustee Morrison: everything? I would like a very

[2:18:27] Voice 4: specific list of the specific language in each specific location.

[2:18:33] Voice 4: That

[2:18:34] Trustee Morrison: sounds great. So I'm going to ask Robert Barlow to just pull up, I'm sure you have a mass,

[2:18:39] Trustee Morrison: is it compiled in one spot or is it all in everybody's emails?

[2:18:45] Voice 14: I have collected some of the materials here.

[2:18:49] Trustee Morrison: Thank you so much.

[2:18:51] Voice 14: Allow me to

[2:18:52] Voice 14: change my screen.

[2:18:54] Trustee Morrison: And that is lovely. Oh, I'm trying to scroll on your screen. Not helpful.

[2:19:00] Trustee Morrison: If I might, Chair Morrison?

[2:19:03] Voice 21: Say it. Yes, go ahead.

[2:19:05] Voice 21: I understand there's a practice at Regional Planning Committee of trying to bundle in bullet form the essence of each idea into one such as has been set up there, as you see on your screen here.

[2:19:17] Voice 21: This has been how Regional Planning Committee has offered recommendations on documents that they have.

[2:19:22] Voice 21: they try to bundle it into one motion that is not required, but I understand it has typically

[2:19:26] Voice 21: worked well for that committee.

[2:19:29] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so I think what I would like to do to make that expeditious

[2:19:35] Trustee Morrison: is if we could have a look through all the proposed changes so far that people want to

[2:19:43] Trustee Morrison: put forward, and if there's any like great dissent on them, then we can kind of pull them out and

[2:19:48] Trustee Morrison: separate them, that would be my suggestion. So what I have from what Trustee Colburn just said

[2:19:56] Trustee Morrison: is that he would want to put forward something around the

[2:20:01] Trustee Morrison: Luckum's words. Okay, there we go. So okay, so let's just start from the top and work through

[2:20:11] Trustee Morrison: these. So Trustee Colburn, the highlighted on the screen right now is section 1.4 that we

[2:20:18] Trustee Morrison: We have, okay, unfortunately, I'm just going to have to look at section 1.4 to ensure what the change is.

[2:20:30] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so that is just to get away from the illegal housing.

[2:20:34] Trustee Morrison: That's the illegal housing change.

[2:20:37] Trustee Morrison: No?

[2:20:38] Trustee Rogers: No, that's a different.

[2:20:40] Voice 11: That's a different one.

[2:20:41] Voice 11: that's that's um the current sentence reads that the preservation and protection of communities

[2:20:47] Voice 11: and i wanted to move away from that and get at um that that the mandate is strengthened by those

[2:20:54] Voice 11: right

[2:20:54] Trustee Morrison: thank you trustee culver and i remember

[2:20:57] Voice 11: now okay but i and i

[2:20:58] Voice 11: believe um trustee luckham's

[2:21:00] Voice 11: emotions are below a little bit on that screen so okay so

[2:21:04] Voice 11: i understand he's not a member of the

[2:21:05] Voice 11: the committee so that's okay

[2:21:06] Voice 11: that's

[2:21:07] Trustee Morrison: okay so the first one that we have there if i can get a

[2:21:11] Trustee Morrison: thumbs down on screen here if anybody is opposed to that motion or to that change because then

[2:21:19] Trustee Morrison: we'll start to bundle the things that we have no dissent about okay can i get a thumbs up if you're

[2:21:31] Trustee Morrison: okay with this proposed motion or this proposed change can i get just a thumbs up on your hands

[2:21:39] Trustee Morrison: if you're okay with this suggestion so trustee kale and trustee mcconkey okay okay not for you

[2:21:56] Trustee Morrison: okay so we'll we'll put that in robert if we can put that in it by itself in a motion by itself

[2:22:01] Trustee Morrison: um okay so let's go to the the um trustee fenton suggestion and trustee fenton that was around the

[2:22:12] Trustee Morrison: going from carbon footprint to ecological footprint um is anybody opposed to this one

[2:22:21] Trustee Morrison: okay no opposition can i get a thumbs up that we're all good with this one

[2:22:26] Voice 11: sure i don't have the response i only have rays in my lower hand sorry

[2:22:30] Trustee Morrison: i'm like literally your

[2:22:31] Trustee Morrison: physical thumb yeah

[2:22:32] Voice 11: okay just

[2:22:34] Trustee Morrison: because it's gonna help me just to sort of and we'll we'll go to

[2:22:36] Trustee Morrison: official voting on these in a second but i'm just gonna get a

[2:22:39] Trustee Morrison: general okay i'm gonna move that one

[2:22:42] Trustee Morrison: into the bundled motions, Robert? Thank you. And that one will be bundled. Yeah. Thank you.

[2:23:00] Trustee Morrison: All right. And then Trustee Langerice's motions that there were changes in the history.

[2:23:09] Trustee Morrison: Are there any that are in opposition to those? There was some corrections around some of the

[2:23:15] Trustee Morrison: historical wording. Okay. So let's put those ones in the bundle as well.

[2:23:28] Trustee Morrison: And then Chair Luckham's motions, any opposition to the changes in illegal housing, adding the piece about First Nations who wish to come home for traditional uses, and the word silence.

[2:23:46] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Langreis?

[2:23:47] Voice 27: I have a question.

[2:23:49] Voice 27: Not permitted housing, but unsafe and unhealthy, that assumes that all illegal housing that's not permitted is unsafe or unhealthy.

[2:24:01] Voice 27: i mean there are legal illegal quote-unquote suites probably around that are are safe and

[2:24:09] Voice 27: you know well-built but just well

[2:24:12] Trustee Morrison: that's interesting because i i read that slightly

[2:24:14] Trustee Morrison: differently trustee langreis i said not permitted as the ones that not permitted might be healthy

[2:24:20] Trustee Morrison: and and safe okay so then you also had to do unsay health so it could be permitted but unsafe

[2:24:27] Trustee Morrison: now i guess it wouldn't be then it would be permitted so i

[2:24:31] Trustee Luckham: i thought of it as three

[2:24:32] Trustee Luckham: discrete rather than yeah i took

[2:24:35] Voice 11: it as three discrete yeah

[2:24:36] Trustee Luckham: okay and maybe the

[2:24:40] Voice 19: language could

[2:24:40] Voice 19: be calm after unsafe yeah

[2:24:43] Trustee Morrison: calm after unsafe that

[2:24:44] Voice 19: would be better yeah yeah

[2:24:45] Trustee Morrison: okay so let's put that

[2:24:47] Trustee Morrison: one in the bundle and then um trustee mcconkey's suggestion about deleting unique amenities

[2:24:57] Trustee Morrison: any opposition to that okay so that would be an individual motion and

[2:25:09] Trustee Luckham: chair i think the

[2:25:09] Trustee Luckham: robert might like direction about all three of those yeah okay yeah i think he

[2:25:14] Trustee Morrison: caught it yeah

[2:25:15] Trustee Morrison: thank you for that all right and then if we can just scroll down okay was i feel like there was

[2:25:23] Trustee Morrison: um oh peterson mentioned density but no specific motion on that though some interesting food for

[2:25:30] Trustee Morrison: about on that one i'm gonna have to think about um trustee mcconkey did you have another one that

[2:25:34] Trustee Morrison: i

[2:25:34] Trustee McConchie: guess is getting rid of all the purple oh

[2:25:36] Trustee Morrison: right so um getting rid of all the purple highlighted

[2:25:40] Trustee Morrison: areas which i believe

[2:25:41] Trustee McConchie: are emphasizing that the that we need to advocate or support the

[2:25:48] Trustee McConchie: jurisdictional governments that actually deal with subsidized housing

[2:25:51] Trustee Morrison: okay so um the motion

[2:25:54] Trustee Morrison: would be to or the the idea would be to delete all the purple pieces related to housing and and

[2:26:02] Trustee Morrison: emphasize they are for folks with jurisdictional control of that

[2:26:07] Voice 7: like to encourage

[2:26:10] Voice 7: jurisdictions that actually have power to do stuff through their job i don't know how else to word

[2:26:15] Voice 7: that okay and that

[2:26:17] Trustee Morrison: looks like it's an individual motion i can see hands already on that one

[2:26:21] Trustee Morrison: um to emphasize the jurisdictions um i don't i don't know trustee mcconkie you're gonna have to

[2:26:35] Trustee Morrison: help with the wording that

[2:26:40] Voice 7: trust council encourages regional

[2:26:45] Trustee McConchie: districts and the province

[2:26:47] Trustee McConchie: in collaboration with local trust committees to encourage subsidized housing stop

[2:27:05] Trustee Morrison: subsidized

[2:27:07] Trustee Morrison: housing and and if we can go ahead and take out the jurisdiction that the jurisdiction

[2:27:16] Trustee Morrison: after emphasize thank you okay and that's an individual one all right um and kaylee rogers

[2:27:34] Trustee Morrison: um we did not deal with rogers 4.2.7 or 4.2.8 um i would actually that seems a little bit more

[2:27:45] Trustee Morrison: of a complex issue i'm wondering or you said you sent language trust you rogers okay so um

[2:27:51] Trustee Morrison: robert can have a look for that language in the stack here um and then uh

[2:28:01] Trustee Morrison: colburn no langerice also had a couple things that i don't think got in here did we see the

[2:28:08] Trustee Morrison: the Langer ice ones? Oh, no, we did. We already got those. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right.

[2:28:25] Trustee Morrison: So I'm going to pull the last one as an individual motion because I want to talk to that one. Okay.

[2:28:30] Trustee Morrison: So if I could have everything that was, we're going to take a moment, give Robert a moment. So

[2:28:35] Trustee Morrison: get up, take a bio break for like three minutes and give Robert a second to just bundle these

[2:28:41] Trustee Morrison: motions all right and then we'll be back for some votes on them awesome

[2:28:48] Trustee Luckham: thank you chair morrison

[2:28:52] Trustee Morrison: sorry it was so long people need to give me a little beat because

[2:28:55] Trustee Morrison: i'm used to sitting all day and

[2:33:44] Trustee Morrison: um if we can come back and turn cameras on if you're back at your desk so i can see everybody

[2:33:50] Trustee Morrison: i want to get us voting before we all have to disappear into the ether here

[2:34:05] Voice 16: you rain on the roof all

[2:34:08] Trustee Morrison: right um mr barlow do we have synthesized bundled motions no i'm still

[2:34:16] Voice 14: working on it oh

[2:34:17] Trustee Morrison: sorry about that all right so while you're finishing that up i'm gonna just

[2:34:22] Trustee Morrison: finish out my speakers list because i had um uh i had trustee kaylee on my list and i see trustee

[2:34:29] Trustee Morrison: mcconkey too so trustee kaylee

[2:34:31] Voice 26: hi thanks chair um i just wonder if i could ask you to look at page

[2:34:37] Voice 26: page 43, 6.1.2, and also at the same time, page, that was 43, page 46, at the top, 6.2.1.

[2:34:58] Voice 26: Now, the reason I mention it, if I take the page 43, 6.1.2, it says, it is trust council's policy, all development in the trust area of any scale of purpose should be compact, energy efficient and sustainable.

[2:35:18] Voice 26: That word compact appears again on page 46 at the 6.2.1.

[2:35:29] Voice 26: Again, asking for some clarification here.

[2:35:32] Voice 26: I'm not quite sure what is compact.

[2:35:35] Voice 26: What does compact mean?

[2:35:37] Voice 26: mean and also it in the one which was which was housing housing policies that that all housing in

[2:35:48] Voice 26: the trust area should be compact are you are you saying what is compact on a 10 acre site

[2:35:56] Voice 26: would it be also viewed or another house would be on a on a half acre site would be compact

[2:36:06] Voice 26: within that confines are we trying to put a limit on the size of housing and it's going to cause an

[2:36:14] Voice 26: awful lot of questions if anyone could throw some clarification on that i i would be grateful

[2:36:19] Voice 26: compact compact to you might mean something different to me or anybody else uh here this

[2:36:26] Voice 26: afternoon so

[2:36:28] Trustee Morrison: what are we

[2:36:28] Voice 26: what are we talking about here if you if you could assist me with that one

[2:36:32] Voice 26: um

[2:36:33] Trustee Morrison: dalani can you help out with that sure

[2:36:38] Voice 4: um so yeah so one of the things that we have um

[2:36:42] Voice 4: learned over this long process of engagement and analysis is that in light of climate change in

[2:36:48] Voice 4: light of housing in light of reconciliation uh we need to really um chart forward a new

[2:36:54] Voice 4: planning paradigm that addresses um the cumulative effects of um of development um as well as

[2:37:02] Voice 4: the risk the climate vulnerability of development and so a recurring kind of engagement theme was

[2:37:11] Voice 4: the need for new housing to be more compact new development in general to be more compact such

[2:37:17] Voice 4: that its emissions profile is lower and such that affordability that that would be supportive of

[2:37:27] Voice 4: affordability as well um further down claire if you can just scroll down a little bit on that page

[2:37:34] Voice 4: um we've identified in 6.2.6 a directive policy for all local trust committees and island

[2:37:40] Voice 4: municipalities to identify appropriate floor area and lock coverage limits for residential

[2:37:45] Voice 4: development and so that would be something that would be determined locally in accordance with

[2:37:50] Voice 4: like as part of a community conversation um and in accordance with the unique circumstances

[2:37:55] Voice 4: on each island and the the way that it's framed is in order to effectively minimize greenhouse

[2:38:03] Voice 4: gas emissions cumulative effects biodiversity loss climate vulnerability and destruction of

[2:38:09] Voice 4: indigenous cultural heritage so those are the that's the rationale and perhaps director merler

[2:38:15] Voice 4: may have more to say on this topic as well

[2:38:17] Voice 25: um yeah the mystery through the chair yeah and i

[2:38:22] Trustee Morrison: I really want to keep you everybody at this moment to be short and concise to the question asked which

[2:38:27] Trustee Morrison: is what is compact?

[2:38:29] Voice 25: Yeah I was going to respond to that so this is a policy document and it will

[2:38:35] Voice 25: guide the policies of local trust committees and other municipalities so as Delaney said it's going

[2:38:41] Voice 25: to depend on the local situation so each local trust committee through its community planning

[2:38:47] Voice 25: planning, will come up with some concept of what compact means and aim to meet the overall

[2:38:55] Voice 25: objective of the Islands Trust Policy Statement, which is obviously laid out here.

[2:39:01] Voice 25: So it's not specific, it's more of a policy directive to get local communities to think

[2:39:13] Voice 25: in that direction but it's going to be something different for each local trust area depending on

[2:39:17] Voice 25: what's happening there so

[2:39:20] Trustee Morrison: i'm going to paraphrase for a second to see if i'm clear

[2:39:22] Trustee Morrison: there is no definition of compact there is an idea that it would be defined locally and

[2:39:28] Trustee Morrison: but that there's a spirit of the the idea of energy efficiency and sort of minimal impact

[2:39:34] Trustee Morrison: on the land um to it as part of what's guiding the local definition yes okay

[2:39:41] Voice 26: fair enough thank

[2:39:42] Voice 26: Thank you very much, Chair.

[2:39:43] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[2:39:45] Trustee Morrison: I'm gonna just check with Robert Barlow again for a second.

[2:39:50] Trustee Morrison: How are we doing?

[2:39:53] Voice 14: Not finished, but it's getting closer.

[2:39:56] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[2:40:01] Trustee Rogers: I just wanna make sure I have some clarity

[2:40:05] Trustee Rogers: about the intentions at the moment.

[2:40:10] Trustee Rogers: The trust policy statement is a product

[2:40:14] Trustee Rogers: and is owned by the the trust council so are we proposing to make recommendations to this

[2:40:22] Trustee Rogers: to amend this draft or is it the trust policy trust programs committee members view that we

[2:40:32] Trustee Rogers: can amend it ourselves so

[2:40:36] Trustee Morrison: my suggestion would be that we would be making recommendations because we

[2:40:42] Trustee Morrison: We have been asked by trust council to look at and pull forward the best

[2:40:47] Trustee Morrison: possible version of the document to the July 8th meeting.

[2:40:52] Trustee Morrison: So my understanding is that we would make recommendation.

[2:40:56] Trustee Morrison: We're voting for edits. The question is, do we,

[2:41:01] Trustee Morrison: then my understanding would be that a report would go forward to trust

[2:41:05] Trustee Morrison: council with those edits integrated, but named that they were edits,

[2:41:09] Trustee Morrison: that they were changes that were made in the document so it's transparent and clear

[2:41:13] Trustee Rogers: it's

[2:41:14] Trustee Rogers: awkward and then we found this with the finance for the financial planning committee when we

[2:41:20] Trustee Rogers: amended the budget and sent it back to and trying to get clarity about what were our what was the

[2:41:27] Trustee Rogers: actual budget being proposed as opposed to what were the edits from the fine fpc so anyway i just

[2:41:34] Trustee Rogers: wanted to raise is that they'll make a difference as to how you amend this and and and um although

[2:41:46] Trustee Rogers: 90 of this work has been done by the tpc if you look at these unless i've unless i've completely

[2:41:52] Trustee Rogers: forgotten the the actual trust council policy says that the amendment of the trust policy statement

[2:41:58] Trustee Rogers: work is in the hands of the ec work in collaboration with the tpc so i just want to make

[2:42:05] Trustee Rogers: sure we're very clear on what process is about to unfold yeah

[2:42:08] Trustee Morrison: so i'm gonna i'm gonna just name

[2:42:11] Trustee Morrison: what i think the process is because the tpc has been revising and moving through this process for

[2:42:18] Trustee Morrison: the better part of a year and a half or two years now and um there is nothing yet that the trust

[2:42:26] Trustee Morrison: council owns as a revised statement until the july 8th meeting so we're not amending a draft

[2:42:34] Trustee Morrison: that is owned by council necessarily.

[2:42:36] Trustee Morrison: We are amending a draft that we are owning as a committee

[2:42:40] Trustee Morrison: working towards the draft for the council

[2:42:42] Trustee Morrison: to own on July 8th.

[2:42:44] Trustee Morrison: That's my understanding.

[2:42:45] Trustee Morrison: Is that incorrect?

[2:42:49] Trustee Morrison: Go ahead, Claire.

[2:42:50] Voice 16: Thank you, sir.

[2:42:51] Voice 16: I'm struggling

[2:42:52] Voice 20: with you a little bit.

[2:42:53] Voice 20: So the project, the resolution about the initiation

[2:42:56] Voice 20: of this project assigned the project

[2:42:58] Voice 20: to executive committee with input as required

[2:43:01] Voice 20: or something to that effect from trust programs committee.

[2:43:04] Voice 20: So a procedure might make sense for you to recommend these changes to the Executive Committee

[2:43:08] Voice 16: and

[2:43:09] Voice 20: then have them consolidate all the input in the version that goes to Trust Council.

[2:43:14] Voice 20: But I'm certainly open to hearing. There's two Executive Committee members on this call.

[2:43:18] Voice 20: We certainly could take the approach of consolidating things now.

[2:43:20] Voice 20: I'm also just aware that agenda package has to go by Friday.

[2:43:23] Voice 20: So we're a little bit tight at staff hours to make that happen, to incorporate things from recommendations

[2:43:28] Voice 20: from this committee in the version that goes to the Executive Committee.

[2:43:31] Voice 20: So

[2:43:31] Trustee Morrison: I have no preference personally about recommendations to executive or recommend or like edits that we just say, you know, integrate these and note them to executive, depending on what the what's possible for the executive package.

[2:43:45] Trustee Morrison: I think that the executive committee will have a hard time not taking the recommendations of the trust program committee and justifying that to council.

[2:43:56] Trustee Morrison: So because we have been working through this whole thing,

[2:43:59] Trustee Morrison: but it's up to them if they want to do that.

[2:44:01] Trustee Morrison: So I'm happy if the motions right now

[2:44:05] Trustee Morrison: are just recommendations for these edits,

[2:44:09] Trustee Morrison: because we haven't actually made motions on edits before.

[2:44:12] Trustee Morrison: The reason we're doing motions now is just for clarity

[2:44:15] Trustee Morrison: to make sure that those edits are done.

[2:44:17] Trustee Morrison: I don't really care at what point to get done.

[2:44:20] Trustee Morrison: It's just that they should get done, they're recommended.

[2:44:22] Trustee Morrison: so my understanding then from that is that we would be recommending to the motion should say

[2:44:30] Trustee Morrison: something to the effect of that trust programs committee recommends the following edit to

[2:44:36] Trustee Morrison: executive committee and then the edit okay that sounds good and doable and

[2:44:46] Trustee Rogers: i'm not thanks chair

[2:44:47] Trustee Rogers: morris i just didn't want to run into a all good

[2:44:50] Trustee Rogers: miscommunication later yeah

[2:44:52] Trustee Morrison: the uh intricacies

[2:44:57] Trustee Morrison: these bureaucracies astound me sometimes but I am working through the machinations of it all

[2:45:02] Trustee Morrison: as long as something comes out the other end I'll be super happy all right so all right

[2:45:11] Trustee Morrison: can we have the bundled motion just so we

[2:45:15] Voice 16: can start with that one all right I

[2:45:26] Trustee Morrison: am not

[2:45:29] Trustee Morrison: going to read this out loud because this is a very complicated set of things to read out loud

[2:45:34] Trustee Morrison: and we've talked them through but i am going to note what's in the bundle so i'm going to go down

[2:45:41] Trustee Morrison: it and note what the intent of the bundle is the exact language that's in it will be printed with

[2:45:47] Trustee Morrison: the notes so um do i have a mover for this first of all just to read the first part of the motion

[2:45:54] Trustee Morrison: and then we can sort of paraphrase each of the things go ahead trustee colburn uh

[2:46:01] Voice 11: i'll move that

[2:46:03] Voice 11: trust programs committee request it should be executive committee to make the following

[2:46:07] Voice 11: amendments to the draft two of the new policy statement bylaw and then as stated as stated

[2:46:14] Voice 11: below in the bullets following

[2:46:20] Trustee Morrison: amendments to draft two point yeah the fault that's that's okay

[2:46:23] Trustee Morrison: so the trust programs committee request executive to make to make committee to make the following

[2:46:29] Trustee Morrison: amendments to draft 2.0 in the new policy draft wow that's hard to say for some reason

[2:46:36] Trustee Morrison: new policy statement bylaw okay all right so the and do I have a seconder for that

[2:46:44] Trustee Morrison: uh Fenton seconder for Fenton okay can

[2:46:49] Trustee Rogers: we scroll down a little bit yeah or

[2:46:51] Trustee Morrison: make it bigger or

[2:46:53] Trustee Rogers: something yeah

[2:46:53] Trustee Morrison: so just one second so I'm gonna I'm gonna do this systematically so the the bundled

[2:46:58] Trustee Morrison: edits are um the first one is about going from um carbon footprint to ecological footprint

[2:47:05] Trustee Morrison: The next one is to deal with edits that were in the history related to things that trustee Langerice noted.

[2:47:21] Trustee Morrison: So it was a historical correction. The one after that is another historical correction just in the history documents or rewording.

[2:47:31] Trustee Morrison: and the one after that is also so those are the three ones that are just corrections in some of

[2:47:36] Trustee Morrison: the history language okay and then after that oh there was four I didn't catch four is that right

[2:47:44] Trustee Morrison: case there was four changes and oh yeah okay yeah no I see it I see it all right sorry about that

[2:47:55] Trustee Morrison: okay so there's four of those types of amendments and then the page 17 first paragraph is changing

[2:48:02] Trustee Morrison: changing the illegal housing to non-permitted unsafe and unhealthy housing with no permanency

[2:48:08] Trustee Morrison: or security for individuals and families.

[2:48:12] Trustee Morrison: Page 17, second paragraph was adding some language to acknowledge First Nations who

[2:48:18] Trustee Morrison: want to come home as part of the next generations.

[2:48:22] Trustee Morrison: Page 19, second paragraph was going from quietude to silence and that's it.

[2:48:32] Trustee Morrison: okay any comments on those those yes case i

[2:48:36] Voice 27: just want to clarify it so

[2:48:39] Voice 27: you're deleting and rewriting right i just i just couldn't see that in one of those screens yeah i

[2:48:45] Trustee Morrison: saw it put in

[2:48:46] Voice 1: i gave an

[2:48:46] Voice 27: extract extract and then i had a suggested amendment as follows which was the

[2:48:51] Voice 27: yeah

[2:48:52] Trustee Morrison: it's there graph

[2:48:53] Voice 27: okay that's fine i just couldn't see it so yeah okay

[2:48:57] Voice 27: i was looking for

[2:48:58] Trustee Morrison: for that too case so no thanks for clarifying i was checking for that yeah perfect thank you

[2:49:03] Trustee Morrison: okay i'm going to call the vote on all of those all those in favor digital hands

[2:49:08] Trustee Morrison: three okay hands down those all pass unanimously thank you all right so this was the unique

[2:49:30] Trustee Morrison: can sorry where are we at okay yeah okay pause so this one who was this this was

[2:49:42] Voice 11: it was me i think go

[2:49:44] Trustee Morrison: ahead and move it i

[2:49:46] Voice 11: move that trust programs committee request executive

[2:49:49] Voice 11: committee to make the following amendment to draft two of the new policy statement bylaw

[2:49:54] Voice 11: edit section 1.4 page 19 of agenda second paragraph two trust council understands preserve

[2:50:01] Voice 11: preserve and protect mandate is strengthened by healthy, inclusive communities that are

[2:50:04] Voice 11: sustainable, energy efficient, and appropriately located housing, transportation, and infrastructure.

[2:50:09] Trustee Morrison: Okay, can I have a second on that? I got Rogers. Okay, any comment? Do you want to speak to the

[2:50:18] Trustee Morrison: motion, Trustee Pilgrim?

[2:50:19] Voice 11: Oh, just that it gets away from the idea of preserving and protecting

[2:50:23] Voice 11: in community and and more ties it to the impacts um and and how it works in in an integrated way

[2:50:31] Voice 11: to to um strengthen or support the the object and the mandate of the trust council all right

[2:50:38] Trustee Morrison: any other comments on this motion all right i'm going to go ahead and call the vote all those in

[2:50:46] Trustee Morrison: favor? Digital hands raised. Okay. All hands down. Trustee Kaley and Langerice, are you opposed?

[2:51:11] Voice 27: Abstaining.

[2:51:12] Trustee Morrison: Abstaining and Trustee Gale opposed? Yes.

[2:51:16] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Do you want your opposition noted?

[2:51:18] Voice 26: Please.

[2:51:19] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So and Trustee Langerice, do you want your abstention noted? Okay. So that passes.

[2:51:29] Trustee Morrison: is um trustee caley opposed and trying to stay langerized um abstained which is a vote for i

[2:51:36] Trustee Morrison: here yeah yeah

[2:51:38] Voice 18: yeah i was just going to point that out that that uh there is no real such thing

[2:51:43] Voice 18: as abstention in this process okay

[2:51:45] Trustee Morrison: so it's just trustee caley opposed that we can note okay and

[2:51:50] Trustee Morrison: um i can't remember robert barlow if i did the right thing and said those first set of motions

[2:51:56] Trustee Morrison: were carried but i sometimes forget to say that so they were um thank you look at you you didn't

[2:52:03] Trustee Morrison: do it because i forgot to say i'm sorry about that okay um all right this next one uh that was

[2:52:13] Trustee Morrison: trustee mcconkey you want to move that uh

[2:52:17] Trustee McConchie: yeah i'd like to move that a local that the trust programs

[2:52:20] Trustee McConchie: committee request the executive committee to make the following amendment to draft 2.0 of the new

[2:52:24] Trustee McConchie: policy statement bylaw amend uh by deleting all references to unique amenities okay

[2:52:30] Trustee Morrison: a second on

[2:52:31] Trustee Morrison: that trustee langerice do you want to speak to the motion trustee mcconkie i

[2:52:37] Trustee McConchie: i feel like for

[2:52:38] Trustee McConchie: 40 years or whatever this unique amenities term has just just totally got the trust away from

[2:52:46] Trustee McConchie: protecting the environment here because it's been misinterpreted we all know the conversation

[2:52:52] Trustee McConchie: It's been going on for decades, right?

[2:52:54] Trustee McConchie: Let's get rid of it and let's just focus on the environment, which is our job, is my point.

[2:53:00] Trustee McConchie: Unique amenities infuses everything.

[2:53:03] Trustee McConchie: And we've debated it forever.

[2:53:05] Trustee McConchie: So let's get to work on protecting just the environment, which is our job, and get out of the way of everything else.

[2:53:14] Trustee McConchie: That's the reason for this motion.

[2:53:17] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[2:53:18] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to put myself on the speaker's list and ask everybody to be brief.

[2:53:21] Trustee Morrison: I'm opposed to this motion just because I don't think we have any control over it since it's in the Islands Trust Act.

[2:53:28] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Cayley?

[2:53:32] Voice 26: Sorry, is it Lorraine still? No.

[2:53:36] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Colburn?

[2:53:38] Voice 11: I'm not going to vote for it. I agree unique amenities is a problem in terms of its vagueness.

[2:53:44] Voice 11: We've attached protecting cultural heritage sites to the unique amenities that we've defined as this Trust Council.

[2:53:50] Voice 11: I think that's an important step.

[2:53:51] Voice 11: I believe the province needs to change the mandate of the islands trust I think it's outdated

[2:53:56] Voice 11: unique amenities is too vague they need to

[2:53:59] Voice 11: be more bold so we can be more bold I would support

[2:54:01] Voice 11: trustee McConkie and the whole trust council in stating to the province you need to change the

[2:54:06] Voice 11: mandate I've stated that many times but I can't vote for this motion because it is in the mandate

[2:54:11] Voice 11: now and we've attached some very important things to it all

[2:54:14] Trustee Morrison: right trustee Langreis anything else

[2:54:16] Trustee Morrison: dad yeah

[2:54:17] Voice 27: just I supported because we need to be talking about the trust area that we're protecting

[2:54:22] Voice 27: not just unique amenities and getting into the dialogue

[2:54:25] Voice 27: of what is and what isn't a unique amenity.

[2:54:29] Voice 27: I mean, the object says protect and preserve the trust area

[2:54:34] Voice 27: and its unique amenities and environment.

[2:54:37] Voice 27: Well, we're talking about the whole area

[2:54:39] Voice 27: and we're focusing too much on one aspect of it.

[2:54:43] Trustee Morrison: All right, Trustee Peterson, anything to add?

[2:54:49] Voice 19: Nothing new, but just that I would support,

[2:54:51] Voice 19: for absolutely support advancing this question

[2:54:54] Voice 19: to the province and thanks.

[2:54:59] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I agree.

[2:55:00] Trustee Morrison: All right, I'm going to go ahead and call the vote.

[2:55:02] Trustee Morrison: All those in favor with this motion.

[2:55:09] Trustee Morrison: Okay, hands down please.

[2:55:13] Trustee Morrison: All those opposed, my hands up, sorry.

[2:55:20] Trustee Morrison: Okay, that is defeated.

[2:55:23] Trustee Morrison: Do you, does anybody there on the for

[2:55:25] Trustee Morrison: or opposed side want their motion registered uh so trustee langras was for the motion trustee

[2:55:36] Trustee Morrison: mcconkey was for the motion trustee fenton did you have something to say or is your hand just

[2:55:41] Trustee Morrison: reminently up okay okay thank you all right the next motion that is trustee mcconkey okay

[2:55:59] Trustee McConchie: i i'm

[2:56:00] Trustee McConchie: going to have to just reword this because purple pieces uh i think

[2:56:04] Trustee Morrison: it's the housing related text

[2:56:06] Trustee Morrison: i think it's yeah

[2:56:07] Voice 7: uh

[2:56:13] Trustee Morrison: yeah sections highlighted in pink primarily housing related amendments

[2:56:19] Trustee Morrison: that's what it's defined as delete

[2:56:29] Trustee McConchie: all text related to housing so let's try that i'd like

[2:56:34] Trustee McConchie: to move that uh the trust pretty sorry the trust programs committee request executive committee to

[2:56:40] Trustee McConchie: to make the following amendments to draft 2.0

[2:56:42] Trustee McConchie: of the new policy statement bylaw.

[2:56:43] Trustee McConchie: The legal text related to housing and emphasize

[2:56:45] Trustee McConchie: that trust council encourages regional districts

[2:56:47] Trustee McConchie: and the province in collaboration with local trust

[2:56:49] Trustee McConchie: communities to encourage subsidized housing.

[2:56:53] Trustee Morrison: Okay, a second for that?

[2:56:54] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Lange-Weiss?

[2:56:56] Trustee Morrison: All right, do you want to speak any more to that?

[2:56:58] Trustee Morrison: Yeah,

[2:56:59] Trustee McConchie: I'll try and be as brief here more

[2:57:00] Trustee McConchie: so I know it's getting- It's okay.

[2:57:04] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I'm concerned that the public thinks

[2:57:08] Trustee McConchie: that the Islands Trust can do something about subsidized housing and affordable housing

[2:57:14] Trustee McConchie: beyond its jurisdictional powers, and that the policy statement will give the wrong impression

[2:57:21] Trustee McConchie: to folks. And what I mean by that is I'm thinking about the Plum Tree Court group here on North

[2:57:27] Trustee McConchie: Pender and the Anglican Church housing project. They come and ask me, hey, can you help me with

[2:57:36] Trustee McConchie: this and i say yeah you're zoned already what else do you want me to do because what these folks need

[2:57:43] Trustee McConchie: is they need money from the province and they need support from the cap the regional districts

[2:57:48] Trustee McConchie: that's that's where that's how it works so this policy statement that says we're all

[2:57:53] Trustee McConchie: about housing like of course we should be all about housing everyone here should be

[2:57:57] Trustee McConchie: concerned about what's happening to our communities rich people are taking it over

[2:58:01] Trustee McConchie: it's i'm concerned that it will be misinterpreted by the general public i know we've discussed this

[2:58:08] Trustee McConchie: before that's why i'm throwing this hail mary pass and hope that you just try and just hear me

[2:58:14] Trustee McConchie: out on this you know i i i really don't i want the environment to be emphasized

[2:58:21] Trustee McConchie: the most in this policy statement along with our relationship with first nations that's that's to

[2:58:27] Trustee McConchie: me the important work that we're doing but so that's all i'll say about that thanks

[2:58:31] Trustee McConchie: Thank

[2:58:31] Trustee Morrison: you. Trustee Colburn. Oh, sorry. Is there somebody else that just bumped in there? No. Trustee Colburn, go ahead.

[2:58:40] Trustee Morrison: There

[2:58:41] Voice 11: are times when doing the best by the environment also has the added benefit of creating low cost, low impact options for people who are stressed by the housing crisis that we have a responsibility to play our part.

[2:59:02] Voice 11: it is not just other jurisdictions it's we're supposed to work in coordination the trust has

[2:59:06] Voice 11: barriers to it that's my pager going off because it's fire practice in a few minutes trustee

[2:59:12] Voice 11: mcconkey step into your your our shared responsibility for this and we can help the

[2:59:17] Voice 11: environment and reduce the stress on ecosystems and the human populations as well thank you

[2:59:23] Trustee Morrison: trustee rogers i'll

[2:59:26] Trustee Rogers: just say of course this was the topic of of at least two full motions at trust

[2:59:31] Trustee Rogers: Council in March, and the Trust Council gave clear direction that this all be included in

[2:59:37] Trustee Rogers: the Trust Policy Statement and that work continue. So I would say that this motion is completely

[2:59:44] Trustee Rogers: contrary to the decisions that were made in March at Trust Council. So I'll be voting against it.

[2:59:50] Trustee Morrison: All right, Trustee McConkie.

[2:59:55] Trustee McConchie: The discussion wasn't finished as far as I was concerned.

[3:00:00] Trustee McConchie: trustee rogers and and of course trustee colburn i agree with what you're saying please like address

[3:00:06] Trustee McConchie: my logic like just like just help me out here we don't have any more power other than to zone

[3:00:14] Trustee McConchie: community service for subsidized housing are we not giving the wrong impression to our community

[3:00:20] Trustee McConchie: through the policy statement that housing is the is this big thing we can solve i don't understand

[3:00:28] Trustee McConchie: that i haven't been able to get that that's why i'm just bringing hope i can maybe learn um trustee

[3:00:36] Trustee Morrison: colburn thank

[3:00:37] Voice 11: you for voicing it and i've struggled in the housing working group to get it exactly

[3:00:41] Voice 11: that because i've been asking staff and senior staff to here's the intention and come back to us

[3:00:46] Voice 11: we need to have a discussion about what is our shared responsibility as community representatives

[3:00:52] Voice 11: as elected representatives and the broader communities as well you're absolutely right

[3:00:57] Voice 11: right but you can't stop the discussion and say we don't have responsibility for it your your

[3:01:02] Voice 11: basic assumption trustee mcconkie is wrong we do have powers we haven't stepped into it in the same

[3:01:09] Voice 11: way we haven't stepped into protecting the environment they're interconnected don't step

[3:01:13] Voice 11: away from one at no point are someone going to ask an elected representative in the future how

[3:01:18] Voice 11: did you deal with the climate crisis and they're going to say oh we completely put up barriers and

[3:01:22] Voice 11: and eradicated low cost, low impact housing options.

[3:01:26] Voice 11: They're not gonna say that.

[3:01:27] Voice 11: So you're right.

[3:01:29] Voice 11: You're identifying some of the communications stuff

[3:01:31] Voice 11: and the policy things that we need to explain better.

[3:01:34] Voice 11: And that's part of the process we're gonna go through

[3:01:36] Voice 11: in this policy statement and bylaw.

[3:01:40] Voice 11: And the senior levels of government do need to step up.

[3:01:43] Voice 11: Absolutely, because it's a shared responsibility

[3:01:47] Voice 11: and it has a direct impact on ecosystems

[3:01:50] Voice 11: and the communities.

[3:01:53] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Cayley.

[3:01:55] Voice 26: Yeah, I support this because for all the common sense things that have been said and all the

[3:02:01] Voice 26: emotion around housing and housing issues right now, if Islands Trust intend to step

[3:02:09] Voice 26: into this arena, which is only partially theirs in terms of zoning, and then you create expectations

[3:02:17] Voice 26: that Islands Trust is going to make a difference, then be prepared to deal with the enormous

[3:02:23] Voice 26: enormous disappointment that follows. So I think this is absolutely right. This needs to be dealt

[3:02:29] Voice 26: with. It's a very real issue in terms of housing. Islands Trust, no. It's a charge of the light

[3:02:37] Voice 26: brigade for the trust. Go down that hill if you must, but just be prepared of the consequences

[3:02:43] Voice 26: for enormous disappointment if you come high profile in this issue.

[3:02:50] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to add myself

[3:02:51] Trustee Morrison: myself to the speakers list on this one. So I've really struggled with housing being included in

[3:02:57] Trustee Morrison: the policy statement. I've really struggled with it. And trying to understand like exactly what

[3:03:03] Trustee Morrison: you're saying, Trustee Colburn, like where is our responsibility to think about environmental

[3:03:09] Trustee Morrison: protection related to housing? And yet, where is not our responsibility related to raising

[3:03:16] Trustee Morrison: expectations that we're going to solve the housing crisis. So I'm not convinced that all of the

[3:03:24] Trustee Morrison: language in the trust policy statement as it is, is what I want, but I'm not willing to remove it

[3:03:30] Trustee Morrison: yet. So I basically need more time to think it through and to go item by item and figure out

[3:03:38] Trustee Morrison: where I think those things are really in conflict. So while I actually completely agree with Trustee

[3:03:45] Trustee Morrison: Trustee McConkie, that I do not wish to raise expectations about the fact that we're and

[3:03:51] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Kalia wrote that we're going to like advance, you know, affordable housing as part

[3:03:55] Trustee Morrison: of our responsibility. I also think I need a little bit more time on this particular issue

[3:04:01] Trustee Morrison: just to read more carefully and think about like which pieces I think are or aren't like going to

[3:04:06] Trustee Morrison: do that for us. And so hopefully I'll be able to bring that more clearly into the July 8th meeting

[3:04:11] Trustee Morrison: because I am worried about going into first reading without having the really serious clarity

[3:04:17] Trustee Morrison: on how to respond to community members that say this is out of our jurisdiction. So I'm going to

[3:04:22] Trustee Morrison: vote down on this one, like vote no on this one, but I do think that there is some need here for

[3:04:27] Trustee Morrison: a change. All right, trustee, sorry, not trustee. Yes, I never know what to call you. Trustee Luckom.

[3:04:36] Trustee Luckham: Just call me Peter. That'd be fine. You know, I'm just, I feel that there's an element of the

[3:04:43] Trustee Luckham: conversation that's missing that I hope that you might reflect upon. And in no way, shape, or form

[3:04:49] Trustee Luckham: am I quoting Trustee Patrick on Salt Spring Island and Vice Chair. She often brings to this

[3:04:57] Trustee Luckham: conversation, and I may summarize it wrong, so just take it as my words, but this is the, and

[3:05:02] Trustee Luckham: And Trustee Patrick, if you're listening, I apologize if I mess it up.

[3:05:06] Trustee Luckham: But Trustee Pat, so I think what I want to do is bring your attention to all housing.

[3:05:12] Trustee Luckham: All housing, not just affordable housing or sustainable housing or anything else.

[3:05:16] Trustee Luckham: But, you know, we are a land use planning agency.

[3:05:18] Trustee Luckham: The reason we're a land use planning agency is because guess what?

[3:05:21] Trustee Luckham: People build houses.

[3:05:23] Trustee Luckham: And if we are silent on housing, then we are abdicating a responsibility to protect the environment.

[3:05:30] Trustee Luckham: Because I think in my experience, regional districts come to us, especially on affordable housing projects and say, hey, you support this or how can you help, can you help us in some way, or there's always some back and forth.

[3:05:44] Trustee Luckham: And if they if the regional districts come to us and say hey we've got this project and what do you think and what about your zoning, and we get, and we would respond no, not our jurisdiction that wouldn't be serving our communities.

[3:05:56] Trustee Luckham: And so it's, you know, we clear land to build houses. Houses are fundamental to what we do, because people live here. And I think we need to reflect on that in our work is my thoughts there. So I just want to share that with you.

[3:06:13] Trustee Luckham: thank

[3:06:15] Trustee Morrison: you trustee langerice yeah

[3:06:17] Voice 27: yeah i'm speaking in favor of it we're getting back to the whole

[3:06:23] Voice 27: issue what's the purpose of the trust in terms of the trust object and the local government act

[3:06:29] Voice 27: purpose to me it's like our role here is as a trust as opposed to local government at the local

[3:06:35] Voice 27: trust committee level is to look at the impact of development on the area that's the trust for all

[3:06:42] Voice 27: that was in 1974 that's what the trust did they looked at the impact of development and 77 we're

[3:06:50] Voice 27: given that the other addition so local trust committees i think yeah it's appropriate they

[3:06:54] Voice 27: need to look at housing but then we need to pry the lens of the trust object to that housing and

[3:07:00] Voice 27: that should be the focus not the purpose of the local government act that's the local residents

[3:07:05] Voice 27: through the local government act that's their voice our voice as a trust should be what's its

[3:07:10] Voice 27: its impact so that's my position

[3:07:12] Trustee Morrison: trustee fenton and then i'm not then me again and then trustee

[3:07:16] Trustee Morrison: mcconkey

[3:07:17] Trustee Fenton: guys okay i just like to i've expressed in the past that i struggle with this the affordable

[3:07:23] Trustee Fenton: housing because it just drags us down into a silo that has been battled with for years rightfully so

[3:07:30] Trustee Fenton: in some respects but at the same time we're in that situation because as a society um in a very

[3:07:37] Trustee Fenton: privileged society we've made it so that you have to have affordable housing organizations to be

[3:07:43] Trustee Fenton: able to have a house over your head for many people um but really it should be about housing

[3:07:48] Trustee Fenton: it should be about how they fit into a sustainable community and so to say i can't speak on behalf of

[3:07:57] Trustee Fenton: this because this this also threads into the equity and all the other issues that we've talked

[3:08:02] Trustee Fenton: about that aren't part of this project um outside of the scope of this project but they're still

[3:08:07] Trustee Fenton: important pieces of the puzzle that we haven't solved um the other thing i want to comment on

[3:08:13] Trustee Fenton: or sort of clarity is that our role is to coordinate so and to advocate with other

[3:08:19] Trustee Fenton: government agencies so the very thing that you're asking or wanting us to do is actually what we're

[3:08:26] Trustee Fenton: doing in 6.2.7 um coordination policies the trust council i mean that is what housing that's how we

[3:08:35] Trustee Fenton: are going to affect any change if we're not at the table having that conversation on behalf of the

[3:08:41] Trustee Fenton: trust area then how can we be part of that conversation if we just wash our hands and say

[3:08:48] Trustee Fenton: say, no, we don't do housing. I'm just, I don't know how that works. So anyways, we'll leave it

[3:08:57] Trustee Fenton: there. I am necessarily not in support of it because of that.

[3:09:01] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. And I think the one

[3:09:03] Trustee Morrison: thing I would add that's been said in between is that many of these things I think are challenging

[3:09:11] Trustee Morrison: for me, but then other pieces are much broader. So like 6.2.1, which would be eliminated by this

[3:09:19] Trustee Morrison: motion says things like that all housing in the trust area should be compact energy efficient

[3:09:25] Trustee Morrison: sustainable and appropriately situated and I wouldn't want to eliminate that so that type of

[3:09:30] Trustee Morrison: thing I'd want to keep but then other pieces about it's the trust council's policy that

[3:09:36] Trustee Morrison: community sustainability and resilience is supported by availability of divorced and

[3:09:39] Trustee Morrison: affordable housing I mean I agree with that in principle I think that's not a directive

[3:09:44] Trustee Morrison: or it's it's a commitment so maybe maybe it's okay in the commitment um but in directive policies

[3:09:49] Trustee Morrison: there's like 6.2.5 that we should in our community plans identify um you know where short-term impact

[3:09:58] Trustee Morrison: short-term rentals and dwellings on affordable safe and secure and affordable housing you know

[3:10:04] Trustee Morrison: that that starts to get a little bit more questionable to me is that an advocacy policy

[3:10:09] Trustee Morrison: versus a directive policy because it's not really in our jurisdiction or is it so that those are the

[3:10:13] Trustee Morrison: the things that i just need more time to look at trustee mcconkey so

[3:10:19] Trustee McConchie: um this my motion doesn't

[3:10:21] Trustee McConchie: ignore the issue it directs the policy statement to say hey let's get all the director freighter

[3:10:29] Trustee McConchie: and the advocacy train cranking up to tell the people who have the money and the actual stuff

[3:10:35] Trustee McConchie: to build the thing you know tell them to get their act together that's where we should be focusing

[3:10:40] Trustee McConchie: our attention right rather than confuse the public and say we're in charge of subsidized or affordable

[3:10:46] Trustee McConchie: housing which is not accurate is my point the other point is chair morrison i mean if you're

[3:10:53] Trustee McConchie: if you're uh i'm not sure why you didn't vote in favor of trustee brent's motion if you need

[3:10:57] Trustee McConchie: to re-look at some of these things this we're sending this to the public for first draft now

[3:11:02] Trustee McConchie: so my or sir excuse me we're sent to that we're sending it to the um july 15th mississippi i'm

[3:11:08] Trustee McConchie: entire so what what I'm saying is that that this I mean this is the time we're reviewing it this is

[3:11:14] Trustee McConchie: the time to do it right now and this sends a strong message to advocate the people in charge

[3:11:20] Trustee McConchie: is is my point anyways I'll I made my point I appreciate the conversation and what's refreshing

[3:11:25] Trustee McConchie: is to hear that trustees actually are struggling struggling with this issue how

[3:11:29] Trustee McConchie: to address it so

[3:11:30] Trustee McConchie: I'm I'm actually really glad we had the conversation uh and I'll just leave it at that uh chair thank

[3:11:35] Trustee McConchie: all

[3:11:38] Trustee Morrison: right can

[3:11:40] Trustee Rogers: we call can we call the vote yes

[3:11:42] Trustee Morrison: we can call the vote i'm just trying to decide

[3:11:45] Trustee Morrison: what i would vote before i call the vote all right all right let's go ahead and call the vote

[3:11:53] Trustee Morrison: all those in favor with this motion convinced all right hands down all those in favor

[3:12:04] Trustee Morrison: or

[3:12:05] Voice 16: sorry all those opposed okay

[3:12:11] Trustee Morrison: and i somebody's going to have to remind me uh trustee kaylee

[3:12:15] Trustee Morrison: you were in favor okay where's

[3:12:18] Trustee Rogers: trustee Fenton gone oh there he is

[3:12:21] Trustee Morrison: Fenton's there okay only eight

[3:12:25] Trustee Morrison: right now three four five yeah we're only eight okay so and can somebody remind me again in a tie

[3:12:32] Trustee Morrison: it fails it fails okay so this motion fails defeated um does anybody want to be recorded

[3:12:45] Trustee Morrison: for their vote on this one?

[3:12:47] Voice 11: I want to be recorded as being opposed to that motion.

[3:12:49] Voice 11: Absolutely, thank you.

[3:12:50] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[3:12:51] Voice 26: And I would re-record it as being in favor of it.

[3:12:58] Trustee Morrison: Trustee McConkie in favor?

[3:13:01] Trustee Morrison: Anybody else?

[3:13:04] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Langreis, you were in favor or opposed?

[3:13:08] Trustee Morrison: In favor?

[3:13:09] Trustee Morrison: In

[3:13:09] Voice 27: favor of the motion, yeah.

[3:13:11] Trustee Morrison: And

[3:13:11] Voice 27: I was opposed.

[3:13:12] Trustee Morrison: Hold on a second, hold on a second.

[3:13:14] Trustee Morrison: We're not keeping up with this.

[3:13:15] Voice 27: Could you clarify?

[3:13:16] Voice 14: i yeah

[3:13:17] Trustee Morrison: i'm sorry robert i realized okay let me just do that one more time can i have all the

[3:13:22] Trustee Morrison: hands down please um and can i have all those who in favor of the motion put their hands back up

[3:13:29] Trustee Morrison: please that's going to be much more helpful for robert thank you okay so it's mcconkey morrison

[3:13:33] Trustee Morrison: langerice and kaylee in favor sorry

[3:13:41] Voice 14: could you repeat that again please sorry

[3:13:45] Trustee Morrison: mcconkey morrison

[3:13:49] Trustee Morrison: lang rice and kaylee um and then um trustees opposed would be peterson um rogers

[3:14:08] Trustee Morrison: colburn and fenton thank you um and yeah thank you very much and i think it's a good argument

[3:14:22] Trustee Morrison: that we're not actually removing housing completely it's about it's about moving it

[3:14:27] Trustee Morrison: to advocacy all right so an executive committee does with that what they will um all right so if

[3:14:36] Trustee Morrison: i can have hands down for a second i needed to just do a process check for us it is 6 15 we are

[3:14:43] Trustee Morrison: and it's over our meeting and time and i need to acknowledge that um robert can you just let

[3:14:49] Trustee Morrison: me know how many other motions there were is it just that last one that's it so i'm going to ask

[3:14:57] Trustee Morrison: permission of the committee to move to our last motion and get that one cleared and then just

[3:15:02] Trustee Morrison: check in our date if that's okay and get us sort of done with the day okay so i believe that was

[3:15:10] Trustee Morrison: trustee rogers do you want to go ahead and move that or

[3:15:14] Trustee Rogers: i'll move the trust programs committee

[3:15:16] Trustee Rogers: request that executive committee make the following amendments to draft 2.0 of the new

[3:15:21] Trustee Rogers: policy statement by amending 4.27 and 4.28 to read shall and then to probably highlight

[3:15:29] Trustee Rogers: endeavor to ensure rather than just shall ensure.

[3:15:35] Trustee Morrison: Shall endeavor to assure. Yeah. Okay.

[3:15:39] Trustee Morrison: Second for that motion? Trustee Langerais? All right. Do you want to say anything further to

[3:15:47] Trustee Morrison: that?

[3:15:47] Trustee Rogers: I think I spoke to it earlier in the day. Thanks.

[3:15:51] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Does anybody else wish to speak

[3:15:53] Trustee Morrison: to that motion um i think i'm going to speak to that one i actually will vote against this motion

[3:16:03] Trustee Morrison: not because i don't agree with the intent but because i actually think it's the clause after

[3:16:07] Trustee Morrison: that probably needs to be corrected not the clause about endeavor to ensure and i really want our

[3:16:12] Trustee Morrison: policies to be clear i really want them all to be shall endeavor so that we're clear and enforceable

[3:16:18] Trustee Morrison: if the piece that's not enforceable is the later piece i think that should be corrected and we

[3:16:23] Trustee Morrison: should work between now and july 8th to get that corrected um so that's just my thought on it but

[3:16:29] Trustee Morrison: i like the intent that it needs to be measurable okay any other speakers to this motion uh trustee

[3:16:38] Trustee Morrison: lang rice yeah

[3:16:39] Voice 27: yeah i su i support the motion other than the second paragraph of 4.27 which

[3:16:44] Voice 27: says that neither the density or intensity land use increased that to me applying it to fresh

[3:16:50] Voice 27: fresh water quality is maintained is appropriate, I think.

[3:16:54] Voice 27: The island is self-sufficient and supply their fresh water.

[3:16:57] Voice 27: We can't guarantee that,

[3:16:58] Voice 27: but that second bullet is really about our capacity

[3:17:02] Voice 27: to make decisions around management.

[3:17:05] Voice 27: So I think that should be a shall,

[3:17:08] Voice 27: but so the other parts I agree with just not that one part.

[3:17:10] Voice 27: So

[3:17:11] Trustee Rogers: I hear both of you and I'm prepared

[3:17:13] Trustee Rogers: to defer this motion to executive committee

[3:17:16] Trustee Rogers: to look at those comments

[3:17:18] Trustee Rogers: and see if we can come up with a slightly amended way

[3:17:21] Trustee Rogers: of looking at it,

[3:17:21] Trustee Rogers: if that's an acceptable compromise for this committee.

[3:17:25] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I-

[3:17:25] Trustee Rogers: Refer this suggestion to EC and we can give it some thought.

[3:17:31] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so the question is, would we vote this motion down

[3:17:34] Trustee Morrison: and then you would just take that forward

[3:17:36] Trustee Morrison: as an edit that executive committee might move?

[3:17:40] Trustee Morrison: I think that's what we would do.

[3:17:43] Trustee Rogers: I'm happy to take advice on process at this point,

[3:17:45] Trustee Rogers: whether we can just simply refer the motion make a motion to refer it to ec um

[3:17:51] Trustee Morrison: anybody know how

[3:17:53] Trustee Rogers: about you ross you're still here claire do

[3:17:58] Voice 19: they have to amend the motion or vote it down i think

[3:18:02] Voice 24: i don't again i can't say i'm knowledgeable but i don't believe the committee can refer

[3:18:08] Voice 24: a motion to another committee okay

[3:18:11] Trustee Morrison: so so in

[3:18:13] Voice 1: this claire your audio is really

[3:18:15] Voice 1: yeah challenging it's coming out like a loudspeaker yeah

[3:18:20] Trustee Morrison: my my suggestion as chair

[3:18:22] Trustee Morrison: would actually be to vote this motion down and to remake the motion in executive as a change if

[3:18:26] Trustee Morrison: that's um something that and then rework that with staff um trustee peterson yeah

[3:18:34] Voice 19: i was actually

[3:18:35] Voice 19: just going to suggest that uh that it's worthy of having all of those directive policies sort of

[3:18:43] Voice 19: of reviewed at executive council,

[3:18:46] Voice 19: because I don't think we have time

[3:18:47] Voice 19: to go through the rest of them today.

[3:18:50] Voice 19: Just for that kind of clarity on what we can,

[3:18:53] Voice 19: let's not say we shall do anything

[3:18:54] Voice 19: we can't actually ensure that we can do.

[3:18:57] Voice 19: So I support the voting this motion down

[3:19:01] Voice 19: and referring the EC.

[3:19:05] Voice 19: I'm fine with that.

[3:19:06] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and call the vote.

[3:19:09] Trustee Morrison: All those in favor with this motion?

[3:19:12] Trustee Morrison: Look at us, we're going to be unanimous in defeat.

[3:19:14] Trustee Morrison: feet um all those opposed all right that's defeated thank you um and i do think that like

[3:19:24] Trustee Morrison: having executive committee really think through those measurable aspects of it will be helpful

[3:19:28] Trustee Morrison: and for all trustees to think about as we work towards the july 8th date um also trustee kaylee

[3:19:34] Trustee Morrison: i noticed that we don't have a necessarily uh rewrite on the doc thing but i do encourage you

[3:19:40] Trustee Morrison: to think that through and to bring that either like toss that over to executive if you think

[3:19:44] Trustee Morrison: about language for that um and for us to potentially have staff consider that more deeply

[3:19:50] Trustee Morrison: like what other language we could have around docs if if that's something different i'm personally

[3:19:56] Trustee Morrison: am happy with no talks in the trust area except those areas um okay trustee mcconkey and trustee

[3:20:04] Trustee Morrison: fenton nope okay nope i got no uh lisa um

[3:20:14] Voice 3: yes chair i'd be happy to work with trustee kale

[3:20:18] Voice 3: about the docks. I did do all the dock areas in the house and before so I'd be happy to help him

[3:20:25] Voice 3: with wording or or work with his wording that he'd like to suggest.

[3:20:30] Voice 20: That'd be great. Thank you.

[3:20:33] Voice 20: Thank

[3:20:33] Voice 3: you. All right Trustee

[3:20:36] Trustee Morrison: Rogers. Just

[3:20:37] Trustee Rogers: the last point we we got bogged down in the I think

[3:20:40] Trustee Rogers: we're all the same view about the quote-unquote natural environment but so we need to I guess at

[3:20:46] Trustee Rogers: some point we need to come back get some advice about what's acceptable or not in terms of or

[3:20:51] Trustee Rogers: what's the appropriate language in that for that because i think we're all pretty at edam about

[3:20:56] Trustee Rogers: that we wanted to make clear that when we said the environment we meant in our context

[3:21:00] Trustee Rogers: the ecosystem so um and so i i see i wonder if lisa could help with that or somebody could help

[3:21:09] Trustee Rogers: with that at some point

[3:21:10] Trustee Morrison: yeah and i'm also wondering if that's perhaps even just like

[3:21:13] Trustee Morrison: more information for us in the public in our communications and how to deal with that.

[3:21:18] Trustee Morrison: Lisa, do you want to add to that?

[3:21:21] Voice 3: Chair, I'd be happy to work with you just to review that to see if there's a solution

[3:21:28] Voice 3: or just a definition that's required or some other mechanism that would create more clarity

[3:21:34] Voice 3: so that we weren't going against the TRC calls to action.

[3:21:38] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I think that's the need.

[3:21:40] Trustee Morrison: And so I would love to work with you on that, Lisa.

[3:21:42] Trustee Morrison: and then just think like it might be that as we get toward first reading one of the things we

[3:21:47] Trustee Morrison: could do is actually pose it as a specific question forward for our consultations with

[3:21:52] Trustee Morrison: First Nations so that we're like offer some options potentially okay that sounds good

[3:21:59] Trustee Morrison: um I think that we are at next meeting and I believe that there is an idea that we wouldn't

[3:22:06] Trustee Morrison: need the next meeting of June 25th because the and Claire can you refresh my memory on why that

[3:22:15] Trustee Morrison: might be possibly

[3:22:19] Voice 21: can you test audio working now yeah there we go all right sorry I must have

[3:22:23] Voice 21: bumped something so I wanted to just check in with the committee as you know we've been

[3:22:29] Voice 21: very focused on the policy statement amendment project and I've been off on some leave

[3:22:33] Voice 21: so we're somewhat behind in preparing for your next meeting which would have been largely non-policy

[3:22:38] Voice 21: statement focus so we were proposing that we would discuss potentially stewardship education

[3:22:43] Voice 21: programming but given that we don't have a program coordinator and we won't have a lot of material

[3:22:48] Voice 21: for you i wondered if you would be interested in cancelling that meeting we can continue to work

[3:22:52] Voice 21: in the background but we're still missing the community communication specialist role as well

[3:22:57] Voice 21: so we can continue i think we understand your intentions we could continue to work as we have

[3:23:01] Voice 21: resources available and bring something back to you at the next meeting or we could continue with

[3:23:05] Voice 21: the meeting and simply have i would suggest a primarily verbal based discussion because we're

[3:23:10] Voice 21: simply not going to be able to get you a great deal of briefing materials in time for that agenda

[3:23:14] Voice 21: timeline so i thought i said

[3:23:16] Trustee Morrison: the conference of the committee thank you and and the in the

[3:23:21] Trustee Morrison: conversation with um claire and um trustee and the the idea would be that we would potentially

[3:23:27] Trustee Morrison: not have that meeting and then that content would go into our later meeting understand that in

[3:23:33] Trustee Morrison: canceling a meeting we've had a lot of additional meetings this year as the trust programs committee

[3:23:38] Trustee Morrison: so it's not a crisis that we get a break on one trustee peterson i

[3:23:46] Voice 19: was just going to go ahead and

[3:23:48] Voice 19: move that uh trust programs committee uh canceled the uh june 25th meeting thank

[3:23:57] Trustee Morrison: you a second from

[3:23:58] Trustee Morrison: from trustee langerice um apparently i always see trustee langerice waving at me first sorry

[3:24:04] Trustee Morrison: for everyone else who tries to second motions um any other conversation about that

[3:24:10] Voice 19: uh you know

[3:24:12] Voice 19: unless there's uh uh a strong will of the committee to not do so then it seems like that

[3:24:20] Voice 19: prudent action let's vote before michael kale let's

[3:24:24] Trustee Morrison: go ahead and vote so all those

[3:24:27] Voice 26: us in favor. We

[3:24:28] Trustee Morrison: all are getting laid here. Sorry for being so off on time. Okay. That all hands

[3:24:36] Trustee Morrison: down. That passes unanimously. And I'm going to adjourn our meeting. Do I need a motion to adjourn?

[3:24:43] Voice 26: No, I think everybody leaves.

[3:24:45] Trustee Morrison: Everybody just leaves and we're done with quorum.

[3:24:47] Trustee Morrison: Thanks

[3:24:48] Trustee Rogers: all. See you, Case and Scott, on Thursday. See you then.

[3:24:54] Voice 19: Bye. Bye, everybody.

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Trust Programs Committee 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
June 15, 2021 
Electronic Zoom Meeting 
 
Members Present: Deb Morrison, North Pender Island Local Trustee (Chair) 
Timothy Peterson, Lasqueti Island Local Trustee (Vice Chair) 
Paul Brent, Saturna Island Local Trustee 
Scott Colbourne, Gabriola Island Local Trustee 
David Critchley, Denman Island Local Trustee 
Doug Fenton, Thetis Island Local Trustee 
Michael Kaile, Bowen Island Municipal Trustee 
Kees Langereis, Gabriola Island Local Trustee 
Benjamin McConchie, North Pender Island Local Trustee  
Dan Rogers, Gambier Island Local Trustee (EC Representative) 
Peter Luckham, Islands Trust Council Chair (Ex Officio) 
 
Staff Present: Russ Hotsenpiller, CAO 
Clare Frater, Director, Trust Area Services 
    David Marlor, Director, Local Planning Services 
Dilani Hippola, Senior Policy Advisor 
Lisa Wilcox, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor 
Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder 
 
Others Present: Approximately thirteen members of the public  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
The meeting was called to order at 3:01 p.m.  Chair Morrison acknowledged that attendees of 
the meeting were on the traditional and treaty territories of several Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
2.1 New Items and Re-Ordering of the Agenda 
 
None 
 
2.2 Approval of Agenda 
 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. ADOPTION OF MINUTES/COORDINATION 
 
3.1 Minutes of Meeting 
 
3.1.1 Trust Programs Committee draft minutes of May 14, 2021 

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By general consent the minutes were approved as presented. 
 
3.2 Resolutions Without Meeting 
 
None 
 
4. TOWN HALL 
 
Michael Sketch, Alix Hodson, Frants Attorp, Jennifer Margison and David Bird spoke individually 
to the Committee.  All spoke in regards to the Policy Statement Amendment Project and 
specifically in regards to drafts of the new policy statement.  Comments included: 
 the word “environment” needs clarification to avoid confusion between the “natural” 
environment and the “built” or “developed” environment; 
 edits to the current version (2.0) should be done prior to first reading at a Trust Council 
meeting; 
 definition of “unique amenities” needs clarification; 
 “carrying capacity” is a useful concept and needs to be incorporated; 
 there is a lack of scientific data to help develop effective land use policy and therefore 
there is a need for an independent “team” of environmental scientists; 
 the precautionary principle needs to be included; 
 the professional reliance model is problematic; 
 individual and cumulative effects of development needs to be assessed; 
 individual Local Trust Committees should not be allowed to “pick and choose” policies 
that suit their local trust area; 
 planners need environmental education and expertise; 
 a directive policy needs to be included to indicate that when considering land use which 
would augment the built environment at the expense of the natural environment, trust 
policies should give priority to the preservation and protection of the natural 
environment; 
 definitions of terms need to be clear. 
 
5. DELEGATIONS 
 
None 
 
Trustee McConchie joined the meeting at approximately 3:30 p.m. 
 
6. TRUST COUNCIL BUSINESS 
 
6.1 Draft 2.0 of New Policy Statement Bylaw 
 
It was noted that the current version presented reflects discussion, research and 
analysis of the public, trustees and staff over the last eighteen months.  Trust Council is 
expected to consider First Reading at the July 8, 2021 Trust Council special meeting.  
First Reading will trigger more opportunities for public engagement and referral to other 
agencies and First Nations for review.  The draft version 1.0 has been presented to the 

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Executive Committee, the Regional Planning Committee, the Trust Programs Committee 
and the Islands Trust Conservancy Board and their feedback has been incorporated into 
the current draft version 2.0. 
 
TPC-2021-034 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee recommend to Trust Council that the First 
Reading of the draft Policy Statement scheduled for the Trust Council Special 
Meeting of July 8th be deferred until such time as the actual draft document be 
presented to all Local Trust Areas and Bowen Island Municipality for public 
consultation and feedback. 
DEFEATED 
Trustees Brent, Critchley, Kaile, Langereis and McConchie were In Favour 
Trustees Colbourne, Fenton, Morrison, Peterson and Rogers were Opposed 
 
Trustee Brent left the meeting at 4:50 p.m. 
Trust Critchley left the meeting at 5:00 p.m. 
 
TPC-2021-035 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to make the 
following amendments to Draft 2.0 of the New Policy Statement Bylaw: 
 Insert in the last sentence of paragraph 2 on page 19 of the June 15, 2021 
agenda: “...commitment to fostering lower ecological footprints by reducing 
greenhouse gas emissions, striving to find new paths to conserve finite 
natural resources, and...” 
 Delete: “Without any meaningful form of local government for non-
incorporated island communities at the time, Gulf Island residents began 
expressing widespread concern that the area’s highly-valued and fragile 
environment could be irreversibly damaged by unrestrained development. 
In 1969, the provincial government responded by instituting a temporary 
freeze on the subdivision of land until island communities could adopt plans 
and regulations to control growth.”  
and replace with: “Gulf Island residents, whose islands were under the 
jurisdiction of Regional Districts at the time, began expressing widespread 
concern that the area’s highly-valued and fragile environment could be 
irreversibly damaged by unrestrained development. In 1969, the provincial 
government responded by instituting a temporary 10-acre minimum lot size 
freeze on the subdivision of land until island communities could adopt plans 
and regulations to control growth.”  
 Delete: “The Act established the Islands Trust as a special-purpose 
government with a conservation-oriented responsibility to preserve and 
protect the Islands Trust Area for the benefit of residents of the Trust Area 
and of British Columbia more broadly.”  
and replace with: “The Act established the Islands Trust as a trust with a 
conservation-oriented responsibility to preserve and protect the Islands 
Trust Area for the benefit of residents of the Trust Area and of British 
Columbia more broadly.” 

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 With reference to this paragraph: “In the years following the establishment 
of Islands Trust, pressure for development of the Trust Area islands 
continued. Between 1974 and 1987, the Area’s resident population 
increased by sixty per cent, far exceeding the growth rate of adjacent areas. 
Several amendments were made to the Islands Trust Act during this period, 
giving the Islands Trust community planning and land-use authority 
comparable to that of a regional district under the Local Government Act. 
Aware of the urgent need for plans to guide decisions on growth 
management and land-use, Trust Area communities developed official 
community plans. Nonetheless, pressure for residential development 
continued, as did public concern for the future of the Trust Area.” 
add the following after the sentence beginning “Several amendments....” 
stating that: “From 1974 to 1977, trust committees vetted regional district 
bylaws for compliance with the Trust Object. In 1977 in response to 
concerns about administrative inefficiencies the ITA was amended to 
transfer land use regulation from Regional Districts to trust committees.  
 Page 17, 1
st
 paragraph: change “illegal housing” to "Not permitted, unsafe, 
and unhealthy housing with no permanency or security for individuals and 
families.”  
 Page 17, 2
nd
 paragraph: add the following words “generations to come 
including First Nations who wish to come home or have access to traditional 
uses.” 
 Page 19, 2
nd
 paragraph: add “silence,” before the word “quietude”. 
CARRIED 
 
TPC-2021-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to make the 
following amendment to Draft 2.0 of the New Policy Statement Bylaw: edit 
Section 1.4 (page 19 of agenda, second paragraph) to:  "Trust Council 
understands its preserve and protect mandate is strengthened by healthy and 
inclusive communities that are dependent on sustainable, energy efficient, and 
appropriately located housing, transportation, and infrastructure." 
CARRIED 
Trustee Kaile Opposed 
 
TPC-2021-037 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to make the 
following amendment to Draft 2.0 of the New Policy Statement Bylaw: delete all 
references to “unique amenities”. 
DEFEATED 
Trustee Langereis and McConchie were In Favour 
 
TPC-2021-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to make the 
following amendment to the Draft 2.0 of the New Policy Statement Bylaw: 

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delete all text related to housing and emphasize that Trust Council encourages 
regional districts and the Province, in collaboration with Local Trust 
Committees, to encourage subsidized housing. 
DEFEATED 
Trustee Kaile, Langereis, McConchie and Morrison and were in Favour 
Trustee Colbourne, Fenton, Peterson and Rogers were Opposed 
 
TPC-2021-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request Executive Committee to make the 
following amendment to Draft 2.0 of the New Policy Statement Bylaw: amend 
4.2.7 and 4.2.8 to read “shall endeavor to ensure...’. 
DEFEATED 
 
7. NEW BUSINESS 
 
None 
 
8. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
None 
 
9. NEXT MEETING 
 
TPC-2021-040 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee cancel the June 25, 2021 meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
Next meeting is Friday, August 27, 2021, starting at 9:00 a.m. 
 
10. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 6:25 p.m. 
 
 
 
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Deb Morrison, Chair 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder