Islands Trust Council community information meeting, July 7, 2021

[0:00:24] Voice 49: Lori, I see that Cameron Thorne's over in the attendees.

[0:00:28] Voice 50: Thank you.

[0:00:35] Trustee Luckham: So good evening, everyone.

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: We're just waiting for the 6.30 arrival, and we will begin.

[0:00:45] Trustee Luckham: Bear with us a few moments.

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham: 6, 7, 10 minutes.

[0:01:31] Trustee Luckham: Okay, good evening, everyone.

[0:01:33] Trustee Luckham: everyone. I want to thank you for joining us ahead of the town hall component that starts at

[0:01:42] Trustee Luckham: seven o'clock this evening. And this is an information session to begin with. My name is

[0:01:52] Trustee Luckham: Peter Luckham. I am elected in the Thetis Island Trust area, which is in the Penelope and Laxon

[0:01:59] Trustee Luckham: territory. I'm grateful to live on Thetis Island and be the chair of the Islands Trust Council.

[0:02:07] Trustee Luckham: So I'm just monitoring the number of attendees and people that are joining us and don't want to

[0:02:13] Trustee Luckham: get too far ahead of the majority of folks that are attempting to join us tonight. Really grateful

[0:02:20] Trustee Luckham: to have a good number of people here. So before we start this evening, I want to acknowledge that

[0:02:27] Trustee Luckham: that we are meeting across the Salish Sea

[0:02:29] Trustee Luckham: in what is Coast Salish Territory.

[0:02:33] Trustee Luckham: These islands are the homeland to the many First Nations

[0:02:37] Trustee Luckham: that have lived and thrived here since time immemorial.

[0:02:44] Trustee Luckham: These are, as you know, very sad times,

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham: a time of truth, a time of pain and of loss.

[0:02:54] Trustee Luckham: I want to acknowledge the grief, pain and loss

[0:03:00] Trustee Luckham: of those who have suffered and are suffering

[0:03:05] Trustee Luckham: through these very difficult times.

[0:03:09] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for listening.

[0:03:13] Trustee Luckham: If this is your first time joining us,

[0:03:16] Trustee Luckham: I want you to know that Islands Trust Council

[0:03:18] Trustee Luckham: is made up of 26 trustees elected

[0:03:21] Trustee Luckham: from across the Islands Trust.

[0:03:23] Trustee Luckham: The Islands Trust area extends from Denman and Hornby Island

[0:03:27] Trustee Luckham: in the north to Saturna Island in the south.

[0:03:33] Trustee Luckham: It encompasses the waters and islands of the Salish Sea between southern Vancouver Island and the mainland and includes Howe Sound and Bowen Island Municipality.

[0:03:45] Trustee Luckham: There are 13 local trust areas and one municipality.

[0:03:50] Trustee Luckham: Except for the Bolinas-Wentchelsea local trust area, each local trust area is represented on trust council by two trustees elected by the people in their local trust area for Bowen Island.

[0:04:04] Trustee Luckham: Trust Council meets four times a year. We meet to work on matters related to the whole

[0:04:09] Trustee Luckham: trust area. Committees of Council meet between these periods to prepare work for Trust Council

[0:04:16] Trustee Luckham: to consider. I'm going to introduce those trustees by the area they are elected in,

[0:04:23] Trustee Luckham: and trustees please, if you're inclined, provide a greeting when I call your name. Gambier Island

[0:04:32] Trustee Luckham: is Kate Louise Stamford.

[0:04:42] Voice 15: Hello, from Gambier

[0:04:44] Voice 15: Island, known as Chaldolchowich.

[0:04:49] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, and Dan Rogers, Keeps Island.

[0:04:54] Voice 20: Greetings from Alcath, somehow sound.

[0:04:57] Trustee Luckham: Bowen Island is Sue Ellen Fast, and you're muted there, Sue Ellen, thank you though.

[0:05:05] Trustee Luckham: Michael Kael, I'm going to go to Hornby Island, Alex Allen, and Grant Scott.

[0:05:21] Trustee Luckham: Scott. Denman Island is Laura Beshaken. Hello from Clayton.

[0:05:33] Trustee Luckham: And David Critchley.

[0:05:38] Trustee Luckham: Bolinas-Winchelsea Islands are the Executive Committee. Gabriola Island is Scott Colburn.

[0:05:47] Voice 34: Hello everybody from Wissamilatsin Twin Beaches on the island now called Gabriola.

[0:05:52] Voice 34: And Case Longerice.

[0:05:53] Voice 16: Welcome from Gabriola Island, the territory of the Sanemo First Nation.

[0:06:00] Trustee Luckham: Galeano Island is Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:06:04] Voice 22: Hello from Galeano

[0:06:06] Voice 42: and the land of the Coast Salish people.

[0:06:08] Trustee Luckham: And Jane Wolverton.

[0:06:10] Voice 42: Also from Galeano and the land of the Coast Salish peoples.

[0:06:15] Trustee Luckham: Mesquite Island is Peter Johnson and Tim Peterson.

[0:06:25] Voice 55: Greetings from

[0:06:26] Voice 55: Mesquite and the territory of many Coast Salish peoples and the treaty territory of the Tlayama Nation.

[0:06:31] Voice 55: Thank

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: you. Thetis Island is Doug Fenton and myself, Peter Luckham. Salt Spring Island is Peter Grove.

[0:06:46] Voice 29: Good evening. Thank you for joining us.

[0:06:48] Trustee Luckham: And Laura Patrick.

[0:06:51] Voice 53: Good evening from Salt Spring, home of many Coast Salish nations.

[0:06:56] Trustee Luckham: Main Island is Janine Dodds.

[0:07:00] Voice 39: Hello. Glad you can join us. Home of the Coast Salish people and reserve lands of the Sarlat people.

[0:07:06] Voice 39: people.

[0:07:07] Trustee Luckham: And David Maud.

[0:07:11] Trustee Luckham: North Pender Island is Ben

[0:07:15] Trustee Luckham: McConkie. Hello from Stace or

[0:07:18] Trustee Luckham: North Pender Island. And Deb Morrison.

[0:07:22] Voice 49: Thanks. Welcome from

[0:07:25] Voice 49: Stace, land of the sonnets. South

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: Pender Island is Cameron Thorne.

[0:07:31] Trustee Luckham: And Steve Wright.

[0:07:38] Trustee Luckham: Saturna Island is Paul Brent.

[0:07:42] Voice 21: Hello from sunny Saturna, also known as

[0:07:46] Voice 21: TechTexan. And Lee Middleton.

[0:07:50] Voice 1: Hello, thank you for joining us from Saturna and traditional territories,

[0:07:55] Voice 1: the territory of the Saanich people. Thank you.

[0:07:59] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, trustees, for being here tonight.

[0:08:02] Trustee Luckham: I can't thank you enough, all of you, for joining us today and writing to us in the last few weeks

[0:08:07] Trustee Luckham: and throughout this process. We're inspired by the degree of interest in the policy statement

[0:08:13] Trustee Luckham: and welcoming dialogue and opportunities

[0:08:16] Trustee Luckham: to further talk about this work in the coming months.

[0:08:20] Trustee Luckham: We're going to focus this half an hour information session

[0:08:23] Trustee Luckham: on introducing the new policy statement draft.

[0:08:29] Trustee Luckham: I will be as brief as possible,

[0:08:32] Trustee Luckham: considering the importance of this work

[0:08:33] Trustee Luckham: and respecting that you want to speak to us.

[0:08:37] Trustee Luckham: Deb Morrison, Chair of Trust Programs Committee

[0:08:39] Trustee Luckham: will also provide some details following me.

[0:08:42] Trustee Luckham: We know many of you have concerns about the draft new policy statement, and these have been expressed through emails, letters, and social media.

[0:08:51] Trustee Luckham: I want to thank you for your remarks and concerns.

[0:08:55] Trustee Luckham: At this session, we want to provide you information about what the policy statement is, why it needs updating, how we're getting the work done, how we have sought public input to date, and how we will provide opportunities for much more engagement in the months to come.

[0:09:14] Trustee Luckham: Something I feel necessary to say right off the top is that the draft new policy statement

[0:09:22] Trustee Luckham: is just a draft. I can't stress this enough. First reading is the recognized legislative start

[0:09:32] Trustee Luckham: of a formal public engagement. Under no circumstances could this draft be adopted

[0:09:41] Trustee Luckham: opted tomorrow or even over the next over the coming months. Referrals and public engagement

[0:09:48] Trustee Luckham: are the next steps as many of you have indeed demanded of us. Further it is important to know

[0:09:57] Trustee Luckham: that this document does not change the mandate of the trust. The provincial government has provided

[0:10:05] Trustee Luckham: us with our mandate and only they can change it. We've heard a lot of concern that we are rushing

[0:10:13] Trustee Luckham: the process and that moving to first reading of the document means there is no opportunity to

[0:10:18] Trustee Luckham: change the draft. That is not

[0:10:21] Trustee Luckham: at all true. Public engagement on the draft policy statement has been

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham: built into the process from the beginning and we are listening and will be listening and will be

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham: amending. We fully anticipate changes and expect the draft new policy statement to change

[0:10:37] Trustee Luckham: significantly before second reading. Trust Council is not in a hurry and can amend the project

[0:10:46] Trustee Luckham: timeline as necessary. We, like you, want to get it right. For clarity, the policy statement,

[0:10:57] Trustee Luckham: although technically a bylaw, is a policy document. It is not regulation. It can and

[0:11:03] Trustee Luckham: and should be updated regularly as required over time.

[0:11:06] Trustee Luckham: It does not compromise the autonomy

[0:11:09] Trustee Luckham: of each local trust committee.

[0:11:14] Trustee Luckham: More than 10 years ago, trustees identified

[0:11:16] Trustee Luckham: that an absence of, and indeed silence,

[0:11:20] Trustee Luckham: on important topics in the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[0:11:23] Trustee Luckham: required us to consider updating the policy statement

[0:11:26] Trustee Luckham: to reflect current priorities and realities.

[0:11:31] Trustee Luckham: Early attempts at securing funding and support

[0:11:33] Trustee Luckham: to make amendments run successful.

[0:11:36] Trustee Luckham: The need or desire to amend the document has not changed.

[0:11:41] Trustee Luckham: And now with climate change, reconciliation

[0:11:43] Trustee Luckham: and continued habitat loss, the need remains.

[0:11:47] Trustee Luckham: This council at the beginning of the term

[0:11:49] Trustee Luckham: reflected on the need to conduct this update

[0:11:51] Trustee Luckham: and established a three-year timeline

[0:11:54] Trustee Luckham: with executive committee and trust programs committee

[0:11:57] Trustee Luckham: to amend the policy statement.

[0:11:59] Trustee Luckham: This process has been organized into seven stages.

[0:12:04] Trustee Luckham: Up until recently, this work focused on creating a draft new policy statement for the committees

[0:12:10] Trustee Luckham: and subsequently Trust Council, the public, First Nations, and referral agencies to review and provide comment.

[0:12:20] Trustee Luckham: This work has involved analysis and research, including public and First Nations engagement about values, interests, and policy directions.

[0:12:29] Trustee Luckham: This is the first time in the history of the Islands Trust that we have asked First Nations about values, interests, and policy directions, despite this being one of the original intents of the province in the creation of the Islands Trust.

[0:12:45] Trustee Luckham: Trust. Earlier this year, after receiving advice and comments from the broader communities and

[0:12:50] Trustee Luckham: First Nations, the writing of the draft new policy statement got underway and Trust Council

[0:12:56] Trustee Luckham: committees have been preparing the document for first reading. Our intention was for first reading

[0:13:03] Trustee Luckham: to signal the beginning of a three to five month public review of the draft new policy statement

[0:13:09] Trustee Luckham: and referred to more than 100 agencies and First Nations.

[0:13:16] Trustee Luckham: At this point, the pandemic is causing us to reflect on how we will continue this process.

[0:13:23] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, we recognize the need for more public engagement.

[0:13:29] Trustee Luckham: But due to the inability to meet in person over the last 16 months, we need to reflect on that.

[0:13:38] Trustee Luckham: Leading up to this point, we have had several public committee meetings to discuss versions of the draft new policy statement.

[0:13:45] Trustee Luckham: Because these meetings are public and the documents made available to the public, there are various versions of the draft new policy statement circulating.

[0:13:55] Trustee Luckham: I want to address some of the rumors and information going around.

[0:13:59] Trustee Luckham: Firstly, I encourage you to read not only the draft new policy statement, cover to cover, but the old one as well.

[0:14:08] Trustee Luckham: And just for clarity, if council wishes tomorrow to amend that document, there will be another third version.

[0:14:15] Trustee Luckham: And I encourage you to seek out that third version if it exists.

[0:14:21] Trustee Luckham: I would like to capture a few significant elements of the policy statement.

[0:14:25] Trustee Luckham: The policy statement does not centralize governance.

[0:14:30] Trustee Luckham: Diminish our commitment to the environment. Cause or allow the island's trust to work outside of its jurisdiction.

[0:14:38] Trustee Luckham: Result in less support for healthy and inclusive communities or cause anyone to take out existing infrastructure such as docks and seawalls.

[0:14:50] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to repeat myself to be clear. I apologize.

[0:14:54] Trustee Luckham: First reading is not the adoption of the policy statement.

[0:14:58] Trustee Luckham: Adoption is more than a year away and changes will be made before then.

[0:15:03] Trustee Luckham: First reading is part of the democratic process that triggers public and First Nations engagement.

[0:15:09] Trustee Luckham: Engagement includes the residents of the islands and citizens of British Columbia,

[0:15:14] Trustee Luckham: all of whom the Islands Trust is responsible to through our provincial mandate and the Islands Trust Act.

[0:15:22] Trustee Luckham: out. First reading is government's way of saying, and in the case of this council, we have a document

[0:15:30] Trustee Luckham: that reflects trustees' thoughts and public ideas, and we think these ideas are ready for public

[0:15:39] Trustee Luckham: feedback. Tell us what you think. The draft new policy statement can change a lot after first

[0:15:51] Trustee Luckham: reading, and the expectation is it will change significantly during the months ahead once

[0:15:57] Trustee Luckham: Once everyone has had an opportunity to provide input through the mail, email, and formal public engagement opportunities like local trust committee meetings, surveys, and webinars, the formal engagement process will start later this summer and go into the fall.

[0:16:14] Trustee Luckham: Ideally, at the same time, the over 100 agencies, organizations, and governments, including First Nations, will also have the opportunity to review and comment on the draft new policy statement.

[0:16:25] Trustee Luckham: this is why we need to formally refer it the provincial islands trust act requires trust

[0:16:33] Trustee Luckham: council to have a policy statement the islands trust policy statement contains the vision

[0:16:38] Trustee Luckham: principles and policies that guide how islands trust implements its provincial mandate to

[0:16:44] Trustee Luckham: preserve and protect the unique amenities and environment of the trust area it has not been

[0:16:50] Trustee Luckham: updated for more than 25 years. We are amending it now to strengthen our preserve and protect

[0:16:58] Trustee Luckham: mandate and reflect current realities like reconciliation, climate change, and the lack

[0:17:05] Trustee Luckham: of affordable housing in the region. Reconciliation is one of the three new priorities in the policy

[0:17:12] Trustee Luckham: statement. It has been a Trust Council priority since 2015. We unanimously supported working

[0:17:19] Trustee Luckham: working government to government with First Nations to build meaningful and mutually respectful

[0:17:25] Trustee Luckham: relationships. Through these relationships, we are working to acknowledge treaty and territorial

[0:17:32] Trustee Luckham: rights of title of First Nations that encompass the trust area, concede historical wrongs that

[0:17:39] Trustee Luckham: have occurred in the trust area, protect cultural heritage and sacred sites that we are overdue to

[0:17:46] Trustee Luckham: to protect and learn new ways of knowing.

[0:17:55] Trustee Luckham: I am ashamed that this is the first time

[0:17:59] Trustee Luckham: the First Nations have been part

[0:18:01] Trustee Luckham: of our policy statement discussions.

[0:18:04] Trustee Luckham: We have learned the previous versions

[0:18:06] Trustee Luckham: contain offensive language, is derogatory and inaccurate

[0:18:11] Trustee Luckham: and contains incomplete content

[0:18:15] Trustee Luckham: with respect to First Nations.

[0:18:18] Trustee Luckham: As we've prepared the new draft policy statement

[0:18:20] Trustee Luckham: for public review, we have been guided by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls to

[0:18:26] Trustee Luckham: action, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and the Murdered

[0:18:32] Trustee Luckham: and Missing Indigenous Women and Girls Calls to Justice. If you have not read these important

[0:18:37] Trustee Luckham: documents, I encourage you to take the time to do so. Another priority is climate change. The

[0:18:45] Trustee Luckham: Islanders Trust committed to responding to the climate crisis and updating the Islanders Trust

[0:18:50] Trustee Luckham: policy statement is an important part of our response. There

[0:18:54] Trustee Luckham: is a need to be more proactive

[0:18:56] Trustee Luckham: in the face of widespread risks, vulnerabilities, and uncertainties around the rate and scale

[0:19:02] Trustee Luckham: of climate change. Islands are particularly vulnerable to climate change. Islands are a

[0:19:08] Trustee Luckham: last place of refuge or first place in local extinction, have significant water supply

[0:19:13] Trustee Luckham: constraints, and are vulnerable to the impacts of drought and saltwater intrusion. Habitat and

[0:19:17] Trustee Luckham: migration corridors. In addition, they are coastal and marine ecosystems where First Nations

[0:19:23] Trustee Luckham: archaeological sites and shoreline harvesting are all highly vulnerable to climate change impacts

[0:19:28] Trustee Luckham: associated with sea level rise and ocean acidification. Along with our concern for nature,

[0:19:34] Trustee Luckham: we have concern for people. Many islands in the Trust Area are facing a lack of safe, secure,

[0:19:40] Trustee Luckham: and affordable housing. Without affordable, safe, secure, and diverse housing options,

[0:19:45] Trustee Luckham: some seniors are finding it difficult to age in place an increasing percentage of island workers

[0:19:50] Trustee Luckham: must commute off island locations and first nations community members continue to be alienated

[0:19:57] Trustee Luckham: from their homelands and opportunities to live on the islands trust council understands community

[0:20:02] Trustee Luckham: sustainability and resilience is supported by diverse and affordable housing so affordable

[0:20:07] Trustee Luckham: housing is also a priority the trust council desires to respond to affordable housing needs

[0:20:14] Trustee Luckham: using tools within the trust's jurisdiction.

[0:20:17] Trustee Luckham: To summarize, the drafting policy statement was revised

[0:20:21] Trustee Luckham: to strengthen the Island's Trust Preserve and Protect mandate,

[0:20:24] Trustee Luckham: reflect the current realities and priorities of reconciliation,

[0:20:27] Trustee Luckham: climate change, and the need for affordable housing.

[0:20:29] Trustee Luckham: These are not simple topics,

[0:20:31] Trustee Luckham: and an integrated approach is needed to bring about meaningful amendments

[0:20:35] Trustee Luckham: so there are changes to both structure and policies in the document.

[0:20:40] Trustee Luckham: To keep everything in the trust area exactly as it is today

[0:20:43] Trustee Luckham: would be impossible. Changes will occur, but priorities must be defined if the trust area's

[0:20:49] Trustee Luckham: unique amenities and environment are to be preserved for future and current generations.

[0:20:54] Trustee Luckham: Please help us do that. First reading is simply first reading, triggers a formal public

[0:20:59] Trustee Luckham: consultation that will last several months, including First Nations, local trust communities,

[0:21:04] Trustee Luckham: Bowen Island Municipality, and a host of regional and provincial federal agencies.

[0:21:08] Trustee Luckham: seat. Please be part of that process. We want you to be involved and part of the planning to

[0:21:14] Trustee Luckham: respond to the future challenges. Thank you for listening to me. I will now pass the presentation

[0:21:19] Trustee Luckham: over to Deb Morrison, Chair of Trust Programs Committee.

[0:21:25] Voice 49: Thank you. As Chair of Trust Programs

[0:21:29] Voice 49: Committee, I've been honored to work with many

[0:21:32] Voice 48: different trustees across the process

[0:21:33] Voice 48: of guiding the trust policy statement for the Trust Council. This work is not mine. It is not

[0:21:40] Voice 48: not staffs. It belongs to the Trust Council. In some of the communications we have recently seen

[0:21:46] Voice 48: about the policy amendment process, our staff have been criticized and blamed for having their

[0:21:51] Voice 48: own agendas and leading the process. I truly hope this kind of discussion will end. All along staff

[0:21:57] Voice 48: work has been directed by Trust Council and they have committed many evenings and weekends to being

[0:22:03] Voice 48: responsive to our requests for changes, research and analysis. They are doing their jobs, doing it

[0:22:09] Voice 48: very well and working within a timeline and budget set by trust council i hope you'll be respectful

[0:22:16] Voice 48: and kind as we continue this work

[0:22:18] Voice 49: i would appreciate comments oh

[0:22:27] Trustee Luckham: deb

[0:22:31] Voice 53: you're frozen i see

[0:22:33] Trustee Luckham: that we'll just give deb a moment our

[0:22:37] Voice 39: power just went out oh

[0:22:40] Trustee Luckham: and who is that windy here

[0:22:41] Voice 39: so i yeah

[0:22:42] Voice 39: my signal's not great so um yeah i see

[0:22:46] Voice 53: ben's disappeared too yeah

[0:22:47] Voice 39: so pender probably went

[0:22:49] Voice 39: It's very, very windy here, so that's what's happening.

[0:22:51] Voice 39: Our power

[0:22:51] Voice 53: just flickered on, Galeano.

[0:22:53] Voice 39: Yeah.

[0:22:54] Voice 53: It's not really a bad day.

[0:22:57] Trustee Luckham: Well, apologies to everybody.

[0:22:59] Trustee Luckham: Wouldn't you know it.

[0:23:01] Trustee Luckham: Word out on us as well.

[0:23:04] Trustee Luckham: Such are the weaknesses of depending upon technology.

[0:23:09] Voice 55: And I notice our participants' numbers are dropping rapidly.

[0:23:15] Trustee Luckham: Correct.

[0:23:15] Trustee Luckham: um so let me ask then jane wolverton are you were the first to report that is your power off

[0:23:26] Trustee Luckham: or just it blinked

[0:23:30] Voice 42: no that way it was joanne uh it was um janine dodds who reported that

[0:23:36] Voice 42: but uh

[0:23:39] Voice 42: trustee trustee rockefeller mentioned a um a flickering i don't have any lights on so i

[0:23:45] Voice 42: I haven't noticed that.

[0:23:47] Voice 19: So Turner is off, dead for the last minute and a half.

[0:23:51] Voice 19: Okay,

[0:23:51] Trustee Luckham: thank you, Trustee Brent.

[0:23:54] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, we're down to 93 attendees.

[0:23:59] Trustee Luckham: I'll just consult with our IT people here.

[0:24:02] Trustee Luckham: What do you see out there, Mark or Lori?

[0:24:05] Voice 31: We're still at 95 total attendees.

[0:24:09] Voice 31: So I think we're stable at this point.

[0:24:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:24:13] Voice 11: So you may just want to consider waiting till seven.

[0:24:19] Trustee Luckham: I think that that's a reasonable suggestion.

[0:24:23] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, CAO Hudson-Piller.

[0:24:25] Trustee Luckham: The town hall session was scheduled to begin at seven o'clock.

[0:24:30] Trustee Luckham: And what I would propose we do is just pause here and start again at seven o'clock with

[0:24:38] Trustee Luckham: whomever and how many we have able to attend.

[0:24:42] Trustee Luckham: And in an ideal situation, if Chair Morrison is even able to join us by phone, she could

[0:24:49] Trustee Luckham: could resume her final remark.

[0:24:52] Voice 11: Yeah, that gives her a couple of minutes to try

[0:24:53] Trustee Luckham: and solve that.

[0:24:54] Trustee Luckham: So let's maybe flash up on the screen, Laura,

[0:24:58] Trustee Luckham: if that's possible, that we, due to power outages in the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:25:02] Trustee Luckham: we have recessed until seven o'clock today.

[0:25:09] Trustee Luckham: And that we should pop.

[0:25:15] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, it may or

[0:25:17] Trustee Luckham: may not be possible to send them email messages,

[0:25:19] Trustee Luckham: but we could send a message out to trustees

[0:25:21] Trustee Luckham: to ask them to connect by phone

[0:25:24] Trustee Luckham: and indeed try to reach Deb Morrison directly

[0:25:30] Trustee Luckham: to allow her to reach by phone.

[0:25:31] Trustee Luckham: So apologies to everybody.

[0:25:32] Trustee Luckham: I see that numbers are increasing as we reach seven o'clock.

[0:25:35] Trustee Luckham: So that's certainly good news

[0:25:38] Trustee Luckham: that we've got a number of people joining us,

[0:25:42] Trustee Luckham: but let's recess for six minutes here until seven o'clock.

[0:25:45] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:25:46] Trustee Luckham: due

[0:27:23] Voice 32: to power outages and grief.

[0:30:53] Voice 48: Hey, Mark.

[0:30:54] Voice 31: Yes, Deb, I can hear you now.

[0:30:55] Voice 31: Great, thank you.

[0:30:57] Voice 31: I can't move you over to the panelist list, probably because you're a phone number.

[0:31:02] Voice 31: I'm not sure, but I can keep you, I can

[0:31:09] Voice 31: allow you to speak.

[0:31:11] Voice 48: Okay, can you rename me?

[0:31:14] Voice 31: Okay.

[0:31:23] Voice 48: And can you let Peter know that I'm here?

[0:31:25] Voice 48: I don't know if he might be aware right now.

[0:31:30] Voice 31: Lori's aware that you're in now.

[0:31:34] Voice 48: Can you let me know where they left off?

[0:31:36] Voice 48: Did Tim take over?

[0:31:37] Voice 48: uh

[0:31:38] Voice 31: no they took a recess and they're waiting till seven o'clock to to reconvene thank

[0:31:43] Trustee Luckham: you

[0:31:43] Trustee Luckham: we're on hey

[0:31:45] Voice 47: dad glad you could rejoin us

[0:31:47] Trustee Luckham: um so we recessed and um because we lost a number

[0:31:52] Trustee Luckham: of trustees and presumably also lost a number of residents from probably pender maine and saturn

[0:31:57] Trustee Luckham: um so we felt that it was appropriate for you to for us to recess till seven and then we'll start

[0:32:05] Trustee Luckham: up again and allow you to continue off um where you left off which was virtually at the beginning

[0:32:11] Trustee Luckham: so you may as well just start from the beginning and um and try and keep it uh short to respect the

[0:32:18] Trustee Luckham: time and maybe we'll run 10 minutes over in order to make sure um that um that everybody has a

[0:32:25] Trustee Luckham: chance to speak that they can okay that

[0:32:29] Voice 47: sounds good did we get the trustees back from the outer

[0:32:31] Voice 47: island

[0:32:32] Trustee Luckham: i'm not sure of the status of that um but we'll be coming back here in fact now there's

[0:32:40] Trustee Luckham: probably one that um and maybe laurie can give me an idea of how many trustees you've got but

[0:32:46] Trustee Luckham: 30 panelists so

[0:32:49] Voice 12: you minus six or so staff so you've got 20 some trustees logged in okay

[0:32:56] Trustee Luckham: um

[0:32:59] Trustee Luckham: I think your colleague, Ben McConkie, is probably not with us.

[0:33:06] Trustee Luckham: I do see Cameron Thorne.

[0:33:08] Trustee Luckham: I don't see Steve Wright.

[0:33:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:33:12] Trustee Luckham: Nor Janine Dodds, nor David Maude.

[0:33:20] Trustee Luckham: But we're here primarily to hear the public today.

[0:33:24] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, it will be recorded.

[0:33:25] Trustee Luckham: And so trustees will be able to see and hear all those that wish to speak today.

[0:33:33] Voice 48: That sounds great. Okay, let me know and I'll continue.

[0:33:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so welcome back, everybody.

[0:33:43] Trustee Luckham: No surprise to all of you that are Gulf Islanders that a windstorm has come through and it's taken up the power.

[0:33:51] Trustee Luckham: It would appear to be focused on the Southern Gulf Islands and that being Pender, Maine, and Saterna probably the most affected.

[0:33:59] Trustee Luckham: some trustees are able to come in with phones and indeed some attendees have also presumably

[0:34:06] Trustee Luckham: been able to join us by phone we will continue and as some of you may have heard that of course

[0:34:15] Trustee Luckham: this is being recorded and so anybody and everybody will be able to view it after the fact

[0:34:22] Trustee Luckham: and hopefully the power comes back on for tomorrow and of course that's not always a given as well

[0:34:30] Trustee Luckham: on my island anyway so we decided on the fly that we would recess at about 10 minutes to

[0:34:41] Trustee Luckham: seven there and allow trustee or chair vice chair of trust programs committee to restart her

[0:34:49] Trustee Luckham: introduction to the policy statement review process of which I started us off with.

[0:34:56] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to turn it back to Deb Morrison, and then I will pick it up from there and

[0:35:02] Trustee Luckham: just make some opening remarks about the town hall portion of the meeting, where the

[0:35:08] Trustee Luckham: opportunity will be for you, the citizens of the Islands Trust area, and even broader

[0:35:15] Trustee Luckham: other than that, citizens in the province of British Columbia and otherwise, to address us.

[0:35:20] Trustee Luckham: So Deb Morrison, back over to you.

[0:35:23] Voice 48: Thank you. All right. I will pick it up where I was just

[0:35:27] Voice 48: about to talk about the draft policy statement. So the draft policy statement reflects many of

[0:35:33] Voice 48: the strong themes Trust Council has been hearing about this term, which the Islands Trust needs

[0:35:39] Voice 48: continued effort towards preventing and responding to the climate change emergency

[0:35:43] Voice 48: and working to support the provision of diverse and affordable housing options.

[0:35:48] Voice 48: It also responds to the Trust Council's reconciliation declaration, as Chair Luckum has talked about.

[0:35:55] Voice 48: It aligns our guiding document, the new policy statement, to the Truth and Reconciliation Calls for Action

[0:36:01] Voice 48: and the Declaration of Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act.

[0:36:04] Voice 48: As a non-Indigenous person, I want to model for all who speak to this draft policy statement

[0:36:10] Voice 48: that I can speak to my responsibility about reconciliation,

[0:36:13] Voice 48: but I cannot speak for Indigenous peoples or First Nations.

[0:36:17] Voice 48: Over the next six months, there will be additional consultation with First Nations

[0:36:21] Voice 48: to ensure their voices are heard directly.

[0:36:23] Voice 48: The draft policy statement reflects and integrates diverse perspectives and values.

[0:36:28] Voice 48: Is it perfect? No.

[0:36:30] Voice 48: Will it be changed in response to feedback? Yes, it will.

[0:36:34] Voice 48: Trustees and staff are listening to feedback

[0:36:36] Voice 48: and are looking forward to hearing more in the months ahead.

[0:36:38] Voice 48: had. Specific feedback is incredibly helpful, and I've sent many emails responding to that,

[0:36:45] Voice 48: so thank you. In general, the draft document respects that each island within the trust area

[0:36:51] Voice 48: has unique characteristics and has developed its own unique ways over the years. For the most part,

[0:36:57] Voice 48: this document allows for high-level policies to be implemented in ways that meet the needs of

[0:37:01] Voice 48: islands as guided by open, consultative public participation. Good public engagement requires

[0:37:08] Voice 48: good information, and we look forward to providing more information during the upcoming public

[0:37:13] Voice 48: engagement phase. I think it's important to note that there has been some confusion about the three

[0:37:19] Voice 48: different types of policies in the draft. I think it's important to clarify that only the directive

[0:37:24] Voice 48: policies in the policy statement affect land use planning. The Trust Council commitment policies

[0:37:32] Voice 48: policies and coordination policies are not regulatory. They provide direction to Trust

[0:37:37] Voice 48: Council itself regarding its coordination, offer interpretive context, and guide advocacy

[0:37:43] Voice 48: activities. Once the draft new policy statement is adopted, which would occur more than a year

[0:37:50] Voice 48: from now based on the current project timeline, the Trust will support local trust committees

[0:37:54] Voice 48: and Bone Island Municipality to update official community plans and land use bylaws. After

[0:38:00] Voice 48: After adopting the new policy statement, local trust committees and Bone Island Municipality will be able to decide upon how and when to incorporate the revised policy statement into official community plans and land use by-laws.

[0:38:12] Voice 48: Any changes to these documents will go through regular local, public, and First Nations engagement processes.

[0:38:18] Voice 48: Executive Committee and Trust Programs Committee have implemented the policy statement process according to the decisions and budgets set by Trust Council.

[0:38:27] Voice 48: This is a political process informed by many voices and values, and we and staff, like trustees and staff, will assist and advance the project as requested.

[0:38:40] Voice 48: It is wonderful that so many people are interested in participating in the discussion about how the Islands Trust can prepare to meet the future challenges and improve how it accomplishes its preserve and protect mandate.

[0:38:50] Voice 48: I really encourage those of you responding and giving feedback to be very specific and

[0:38:56] Voice 48: not throw everything out, but really give clear understanding of how to improve the

[0:39:01] Voice 48: process or the actual content of the policy.

[0:39:04] Voice 48: Thank you for joining us tonight.

[0:39:06] Voice 48: I'll now pass it back to Chair Luckum as we prepare to open the trust council meeting

[0:39:10] Voice 48: and move to the town hall portion of the meeting.

[0:39:12] Voice 48: uh

[0:39:15] Trustee Luckham: thank you um uh chair of trump's programs committee uh deb morrison on north pender island

[0:39:22] Trustee Luckham: thank you so we're going to now uh turn open up the uh the meeting to uh members of the public

[0:39:30] Trustee Luckham: and we have a participants list in front of us and uh um you will be promoted to a speaker

[0:39:38] Trustee Luckham: speaker status as we move along and as I call out people's names that I see whose hands are up

[0:39:48] Trustee Luckham: in the attendees list. And you can raise your hand via a button at the bottom of your screen

[0:39:57] Trustee Luckham: if you're joining us on the web as an attendee. If you're actually listening on the live streaming

[0:40:05] Trustee Luckham: portion of it, you actually have to move over from live streaming to attendee, to apply to be an

[0:40:11] Trustee Luckham: attendee, which you can do by going back to the web page where you clicked on the link for live

[0:40:16] Trustee Luckham: streaming and click the link to join as an attendee. If you have joined us by telephone,

[0:40:26] Trustee Luckham: and I see a number of you have joined us by telephone, you can hit the keys on your phone,

[0:40:32] Trustee Luckham: pound six nine sorry pound nine and that will allow you to raise a digital hand for us to

[0:40:40] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge you so before i do that um what's really important to me and trustees and all of

[0:40:51] Trustee Luckham: you that are out there um today that have joined us is that this meeting um is a safe place

[0:40:58] Trustee Luckham: This meeting is a workplace for trustees, staff, and is a community meeting place for all of our

[0:41:07] Trustee Luckham: friends and families out there. It's important that it be a safe environment for all of us to

[0:41:14] Trustee Luckham: speak and be heard. I ask you to be respectful and kind. Please consider your words, how they

[0:41:24] Trustee Luckham: may affect or impact others, how they may inadvertently judge or demean.

[0:41:35] Trustee Luckham: It's unfortunate that in, well, you know, it's unfortunate for some time that it appears

[0:41:44] Trustee Luckham: to be okay to make remarks about staff, that staff are leading the process, and staff are

[0:41:57] Trustee Luckham: doing this, and I don't agree with staff.

[0:42:03] Trustee Luckham: that's intimidating and hurtful. It's important that we speak to the issue, not the individuals.

[0:42:13] Trustee Luckham: If you have something you don't agree with, speak to the issue, what it is. Let's not blame anybody.

[0:42:21] Trustee Luckham: Our staff do excellent professional work and provide us excellent professional advice.

[0:42:26] Trustee Luckham: We, the trustees, make the decisions and provide the direction. So I just ask you, please, to do that.

[0:42:33] Trustee Luckham: I'm inclined to adopt what I'm calling a zero tolerance policy.

[0:42:44] Voice 42: And if

[0:42:45] Trustee Luckham: I hear something that I feel is offensive, I will ask you to be cut off because it's unacceptable practice to behave or speak in that way.

[0:43:01] Trustee Luckham: And so I know for the majority of you, it's not a concern.

[0:43:07] Trustee Luckham: you would never consider conducting yourself that way.

[0:43:10] Trustee Luckham: Sometimes somehow in the emotion of a moment,

[0:43:13] Trustee Luckham: other things happen.

[0:43:15] Trustee Luckham: So please, I'm not gonna say anything further.

[0:43:18] Trustee Luckham: And I will be, I'm gonna ask council for general consent

[0:43:23] Trustee Luckham: that you're satisfied that if I hear something untoward

[0:43:27] Trustee Luckham: that I will mute that person.

[0:43:30] Trustee Luckham: And if any of you hear something that I have missed

[0:43:33] Trustee Luckham: that you feel is offensive,

[0:43:34] Trustee Luckham: offensive, I will ask you to raise, please call the point of order in order for us to maintain

[0:43:41] Trustee Luckham: this as a safe place for everyone to be able to participate. So I'm going to start calling names

[0:43:49] Trustee Luckham: as I see them coming up on our list. And I'll probably do a couple ahead so that you can know

[0:43:53] Trustee Luckham: that you need to prepare yourself to speak. And the first person on the list, and I apologize if

[0:44:00] Trustee Luckham: I get your names wrong in some occasions, but I see Maya Reid as the first speaker and Flavia Fogatti and then Susan Yates.

[0:44:10] Trustee Luckham: So, Maya Reid, you have the floor.

[0:44:13] Trustee Luckham: And please, we're going to constrict speakers to two minutes in order to be able to provide the opportunity for everyone that wishes to speak within the two-hour framework that we have today,

[0:44:25] Trustee Luckham: which I would say is going to go to let's say 9 15 um tonight although nine o'clock was the

[0:44:32] Trustee Luckham: official cutoff but we had some difficulties with technology so may I read over to you for your two

[0:44:37] Trustee Luckham: minutes thank you hi

[0:44:38] Voice 46: thank you moreth boland saturn island um I'd like to say that I find it

[0:44:45] Voice 46: very extraordinary that you know this town hall session which was to gather feedback is continuing

[0:44:53] Voice 46: continuing in light of the fact that many people are unable to participate a recording is fine but

[0:45:00] Voice 46: it's passive they cannot actually speak so in this was a very short period with a very contentious

[0:45:07] Voice 46: issue and you're continuing even though many trustees can't be there and many people who

[0:45:14] Voice 46: might wish to speak cannot participate and it's really symptomatic of the problem that many people

[0:45:20] Voice 46: will have on many islands who are already excluded before this power power outage occurred

[0:45:26] Voice 46: the second thing i'd like to point out is that the new website july the 7th is no longer clearly

[0:45:33] Voice 46: visible so the links to these meetings are not front and center on your meeting calendar you

[0:45:39] Voice 46: have to actually go into the filter mechanism and go back a day to try and find it and there may be

[0:45:45] Voice 46: many people who are frustrated by this. So I think your kickoff of feedback and engagement

[0:45:52] Voice 46: is off to a very shaky, rocky start. Okay, that's it. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

[0:45:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank

[0:46:00] Trustee Luckham: you very much and I understand that. So the next speaker will be Flavia

[0:46:07] Trustee Luckham: Flavia Fogatti, and then Susan Yates.

[0:46:15] Voice 51: Sorry, I was on mute.

[0:46:18] Voice 51: I agree with the last input from our colleague,

[0:46:25] Voice 51: our resident at Saturna.

[0:46:28] Voice 51: First of all, I would like to thank for the opportunity

[0:46:32] Voice 51: to be able to speak.

[0:46:35] Voice 51: And again, I think a meeting over Zoom

[0:46:40] Voice 51: is not necessarily what we need right now

[0:46:45] Voice 51: to be able to express our position.

[0:46:49] Voice 51: Another thing that called my attention

[0:46:52] Voice 51: to Trustee Morrison's speech was that,

[0:46:58] Voice 51: regarding this respectful comments,

[0:47:02] Voice 51: I have been following most of the letters

[0:47:06] Voice 51: And I have been sending also letters to the trust and my family, and we're directly affected by the STVR's regulations.

[0:47:20] Voice 51: One thing is that I think to express democratic views, and you're talking about safe environment.

[0:47:30] Voice 51: I think safe environment is when we can express our views and our criticism in our full democratic capacity.

[0:47:40] Voice 51: And this is democracy. Sometimes you just don't agree and you have to express your opinion.

[0:47:47] Voice 51: So that's pretty much my point. I don't see any disrespect going on.

[0:47:52] Voice 51: I see a lot of people frustrated with the way this process is going.

[0:47:57] Voice 51: I also see the process, according to one of the documents you submitted, the process is already in the seventh stage, fifth stage, I'm sorry.

[0:48:09] Voice 51: And I am very, very surprised that even a draft is proposed without, in my view, proper consultation.

[0:48:20] Voice 51: I read today a letter.

[0:48:22] Trustee Luckham: Your two minutes is up.

[0:48:26] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm going to have to move on to another speaker, given how many speakers we have.

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham: You can come back later if there's another opportunity at the end of those that have not spoken the first time.

[0:48:43] Trustee Luckham: Susan Yates, you have the floor.

[0:48:45] Trustee Luckham: And then Bowie Kiefer is next.

[0:48:52] Voice 5: Can you hear me, Chair Luckham?

[0:48:54] Voice 5: Yes,

[0:48:54] Trustee Luckham: I can. Thank you.

[0:48:55] Voice 5: Thank you. Good evening, trustees. I come to you this evening from the traditional and unceded

[0:49:03] Voice 5: territory of the Snuneymuxw people. I urge you to make every attempt to get this draft revised

[0:49:10] Voice 5: policy statement to first reading in the next few weeks, if not at your special council meeting

[0:49:17] Voice 5: tomorrow, July 8th. I understand and I have been part of the revision process for the past

[0:49:24] Voice 5: 22 months. I've had many opportunities for input, as has every person in the Trust area.

[0:49:32] Voice 5: If this draft policy statement goes to first reading, I know there will be more opportunities

[0:49:38] Voice 5: for public comment. I believe that the excellent revision work to date done by Trust Programs

[0:49:45] Voice 5: Committee members, all of you, and staff will continue until we have a policy statement worthy

[0:49:53] Voice 5: of the Islands Trust Act and all that this act encompasses.

[0:49:57] Voice 5: I don't want to see this work derailed or unduly delayed.

[0:50:02] Voice 5: In March, 2019, Trust Council adopted

[0:50:05] Voice 5: the two most important declarations in the Trust's history,

[0:50:09] Voice 5: the Reconciliation Declaration

[0:50:12] Voice 5: and the Climate Emergency Declaration.

[0:50:15] Voice 5: The parallel revision process that has been done

[0:50:18] Voice 5: to incorporate the exigencies of climate change

[0:50:21] Voice 5: and reconciliation is worthy of full support from Trust Council and from the public.

[0:50:29] Voice 5: I cannot commend highly enough the five-page report entitled Truth Precedes Reconciliation

[0:50:36] Voice 5: compiled for the Trust Program Committee's work on the policy statement with the help of Lisa

[0:50:42] Voice 5: Wilcox, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor. This report is an exemplary outline for

[0:50:49] Voice 5: reconciliation at any level of government or public process i have referred to it many times

[0:50:55] Voice 5: on my own path to understanding and acting for reconciliation i could say the same for

[0:51:02] Voice 5: susan

[0:51:03] Trustee Luckham: i apologize but i also have to advise you that your two minutes has expired okay

[0:51:08] Voice 5: i have this in writing chair luckham and i'm

[0:51:11] Voice 5: very happy to send it to you who shall i address it to

[0:51:16] Trustee Luckham: 2050. Islands 2050.

[0:51:18] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you very much. And thank you for your time this evening.

[0:51:21] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much for joining us today. My next speaker is, I'm counting trustees and panelists

[0:51:31] Trustee Luckham: and attendees. I apologize. My

[0:51:34] Voice 1: next speaker is

[0:51:35] Trustee Luckham: Bowie Kiefer. And then I see a phone number here

[0:51:38] Trustee Luckham: that ends with 2691. That will be the next speaker. Before you go, Bowie, just let folks

[0:51:44] Trustee Luckham: folks know that it appears that we have 22 trustees participating, and we have 131 attendees

[0:51:51] Trustee Luckham: participating, as well as those that may be joining us by live streaming, of which I do not have

[0:51:55] Trustee Luckham: a number. So Bowie Keeper, over to you, and then 2691, and that would be terrific.

[0:52:06] Trustee Luckham: You're on mute, Bowie Keeper.

[0:52:12] Voice 29: Am I audible now?

[0:52:14] Trustee Luckham: Yes, sir, you are.

[0:52:16] Voice 29: Good. I'd like to start by

[0:52:17] Voice 29: by thanking the trustees for the work you do.

[0:52:21] Voice 29: I'm an environmental technology scientist on Galliano Island

[0:52:25] Voice 29: and my point tonight is,

[0:52:27] Voice 29: my points tonight are basically technical.

[0:52:31] Voice 29: I've worked on various topics to do with water supply,

[0:52:35] Voice 29: sea level rise, renewable energies.

[0:52:37] Voice 29: And I want to comment on desalination,

[0:52:42] Voice 29: which is condemned in the draft report

[0:52:46] Voice 29: part as being energy as consuming too much energy and causing too much environmental impact

[0:52:50] Voice 29: and if you're dealing with very large-scale desalination in the persian gulf you are indeed

[0:52:56] Voice 29: dealing with effluence of chemicals and high concentration brine and large energy consumption

[0:53:02] Voice 29: but if you're dealing with our situation we're we're we're surrounded by water which is much

[0:53:10] Voice 29: less concentrated than the open ocean and when you remove 10% of the water from a small stream

[0:53:20] Voice 29: of seawater you are causing essentially no environmental impact. You're not discharging

[0:53:25] Voice 29: any chemicals and the modern equipment is very energy efficient and I've run it on solar power

[0:53:32] Voice 29: or manually so it's actually not a problem it may be a solution when we're looking for water

[0:53:42] Voice 29: my next comment is on a sea level rise there's a comment that we shouldn't have any

[0:53:50] Voice 29: armoring of the shoreline any sea walls and i agree with that today but in 50 years we may be

[0:53:56] Voice 29: facing some sea level rise that may be appreciable, significant. And my last point is on private

[0:54:05] Voice 29: docks. I suggest that we encourage docks to be designed to provide marine habitat rather

[0:54:12] Voice 29: than be offensive. But I would urge that we not try to outlaw docks because they're extremely

[0:54:19] Voice 29: useful. And you need, it's a good point of supply for your desalination plant to bring

[0:54:24] Voice 29: your water from your dock so thank you very much oh

[0:54:28] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much uh mr keeper for your

[0:54:31] Trustee Luckham: points today um and so the uh particip the attendee here whose number phone number ends

[0:54:38] Trustee Luckham: with 2691 if you don't mind introducing yourself and uh you have the floor the person on the phone

[0:54:53] Trustee Luckham: ending two six nine one star

[0:54:56] Voice 42: six hello can you hear me yes i

[0:55:00] Trustee Luckham: can hear you

[0:55:01] Voice 3: okay this is

[0:55:02] Voice 3: Harleen Holm calling from Denman Island. My request today is the same as in my June submission,

[0:55:09] Voice 3: stop rushing trust policy statement 2.0 into first reading and a bureaucratic process

[0:55:15] Voice 3: wherein public input is both proscribed and circumscribed. None of

[0:55:21] Voice 3: us, no matter the letters

[0:55:22] Voice 3: behind our names, has any idea of the carrying capacity of these islands. Yet 2.0 lays the

[0:55:28] Voice 3: the basis for growth by promoting densification, embedding conflicts that will render preserve

[0:55:33] Voice 3: and protect meaningless, and with silence on key issues.

[0:55:37] Voice 3: The trust policy statement needs to clearly set limits of growth based on the worst-case

[0:55:42] Voice 3: estimate of carrying capacity, protect the natural environment, including watershed and

[0:55:48] Voice 3: wetland areas, address commodification of natural resources and housing, and commit

[0:55:54] Voice 3: to aligning government, ministries, and agencies with the object of the trust.

[0:55:59] Voice 3: Use of wording and terminology is critical for this clarity.

[0:56:02] Voice 3: The precautionary principle is not precautionary approach.

[0:56:09] Voice 3: And strive to weaken statements.

[0:56:11] Voice 3: For example, if I arrive at 7, it's not the same as I will strive to arrive at 7.

[0:56:16] Voice 3: Compact development runs counter to rural characteristics,

[0:56:20] Voice 3: which, by the way, should include islander values, self-reliance,

[0:56:24] Voice 3: and support for the common good look forward to a concisely written trust policy statement that

[0:56:31] Voice 3: reflects the best of island residents local residents ideas and advice i thank you for

[0:56:37] Voice 3: your time thank

[0:56:39] Trustee Luckham: you very much um our next speaker is uh nancy heatherington pierce i'm sorry for not

[0:56:46] Trustee Luckham: not giving you advance notice.

[0:56:47] Trustee Luckham: I'm following Nancy will be Bob Andrew.

[0:56:58] Voice 38: Thank you.

[0:57:02] Voice 38: I'm Nancy Hetherington Pierce from Gabriel Island.

[0:57:06] Voice 38: I'll be very brief.

[0:57:07] Voice 38: I would just like to say that I encourage the trustees

[0:57:11] Voice 38: to give first reading to the proposed trust policy statement

[0:57:15] Voice 38: at the meeting tomorrow.

[0:57:18] Voice 38: My reason has been already and very eloquently stated

[0:57:22] Voice 38: by Susan Yates.

[0:57:25] Voice 38: In the plan process, the public consultation has

[0:57:29] Voice 38: and will be ample, and I encourage you to continue

[0:57:35] Voice 38: the process and pass first reading tomorrow.

[0:57:37] Voice 38: Thank you.

[0:57:40] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:57:41] Trustee Luckham: The next speaker is Bob Andrew, and following Bob

[0:57:47] Trustee Luckham: will be Sue Spencer.

[0:57:52] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:57:54] Voice 12: Bob Andrew from Gabriola. It looks like you're getting a lot from Gabriola tonight.

[0:57:59] Voice 12: I too want to encourage you to give first reading to this bylaw and allow us to give even more

[0:58:07] Voice 12: for the comments over the coming months. I had a bit of a shock over the past couple of days of

[0:58:14] Voice 12: some news I'm sure most if not all of you heard about the one billion plus sea creatures that

[0:58:20] Voice 12: that were decimated in the Salish Sea.

[0:58:24] Voice 12: And I was a little bit stunned by that.

[0:58:26] Voice 12: And so I walked down to my own beach

[0:58:28] Voice 12: to see if I could see any effects.

[0:58:30] Voice 12: Well, I did.

[0:58:32] Voice 12: The effects were dramatic.

[0:58:34] Voice 12: There was an entire muscle bed down near where I live,

[0:58:37] Voice 12: which was completely wiped out.

[0:58:39] Voice 12: No, I'm sorry, about 99% wiped out.

[0:58:41] Voice 12: There were a few that were hidden away from the sun

[0:58:44] Voice 12: that weren't wiped out.

[0:58:45] Voice 12: No, I'm not an alarmist type of person,

[0:58:48] Voice 12: but this really got me and I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that

[0:58:55] Voice 12: although I haven't gone through in great detail I've gone through a fair amount

[0:58:59] Voice 12: of detail of the new policy statement the draft is that I would like to

[0:59:04] Voice 12: encourage the trustees to make it even stronger when it comes to our eco

[0:59:10] Voice 12: ecosystem protection at the very best and even above the best whatever that

[0:59:15] Voice 12: that means that you can possibly do.

[0:59:17] Voice 12: I'll have more further to say on that

[0:59:20] Voice 12: when we get into the public input.

[0:59:23] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:59:25] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Bob, for drawing our attention

[0:59:28] Trustee Luckham: to the impacts of this heat wave.

[0:59:31] Trustee Luckham: I've noted that myself on my own island.

[0:59:34] Trustee Luckham: Sue Spencer, you're next,

[0:59:37] Trustee Luckham: and then following Sue will be Rob Brockley.

[0:59:49] Voice 55: Sue Spencer.

[0:59:51] Voice 55: There you are.

[0:59:52] Voice 55: It's Ron Spencer on Sue's iPad.

[0:59:55] Voice 55: Okay.

[0:59:56] Voice 55: Yeah.

[0:59:57] Voice 55: So, Salt Spring Island.

[1:00:00] Voice 55: And, uh, what I would like to do is encourage you not to, uh, have the first reading, uh, uh, tomorrow on this, uh, I'm just getting involved in on Salt Spring Island.

[1:00:12] Voice 55: and uh uh you you've been working on this for a long time but you know uh uh i'm fully aware that

[1:00:21] Voice 55: a lot of people especially landowners and uh uh people on salt spring aren't aware of uh what is

[1:00:29] Voice 55: in the trust uh policy statement it's quite heady and it's quite deep and there's a lot to it i am

[1:00:36] Voice 55: I'm also a member of the Salt Spring Island Contractors Association

[1:00:42] Voice 55: and also an Indigenous person.

[1:00:47] Voice 55: But we are only getting wound up now

[1:00:51] Voice 55: because it's been brought to our attention.

[1:00:53] Voice 55: We'd like to spend a little more time organizing

[1:00:58] Voice 55: to be able to have thoughtful input into this.

[1:01:04] Voice 55: And we don't need to hurry.

[1:01:06] Voice 55: I mean, I don't think that we're going to be gone in 12 years.

[1:01:10] Voice 55: I don't agree with that, but it is a big deal.

[1:01:14] Voice 55: This is not something small and it has long reaching effects on landowners and our rural community, the use of our rural community.

[1:01:29] Voice 55: And thank you for your time. And I will go with that.

[1:01:36] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for joining us this evening.

[1:01:39] Trustee Luckham: Rob Brockley is the next speaker and followed by Steve McLean.

[1:01:45] Trustee Luckham: My

[1:01:47] Voice 17: name is Rob Brockley and I'm the president of Gabriola Land and Trails Trust.

[1:01:52] Voice 17: Our organization believes there are many exciting additions and revisions to this much needed comprehensive update to the Islands Trust policy statement.

[1:02:01] Voice 17: We enthusiastically endorse wide ranging new commitments and policies regarding meaningful engagement and cooperation with First Nations.

[1:02:11] Voice 17: including recognition of Indigenous cultural heritage as a unique amenity.

[1:02:18] Voice 17: We also strongly support the many new policies aimed to protect and restore land,

[1:02:23] Voice 17: freshwater and marine environments, and the Trust's adoption of a precautionary approach

[1:02:28] Voice 17: to preservation and protection in response to the added pressure being applied to our ecosystems

[1:02:33] Voice 17: and communities by a changing climate. Emphasizing the need for cooperation and

[1:02:41] Voice 17: and collaboration between the Islands Trust Council

[1:02:43] Voice 17: and various levels of government is important,

[1:02:46] Voice 17: but doesn't adequately address the real problem.

[1:02:49] Voice 17: That is the trust lack of legislative authority

[1:02:51] Voice 17: to effectively preserve and protect its unique amenities.

[1:02:55] Voice 17: Therefore, we strongly endorse the trust commitment

[1:02:57] Voice 17: to move from encourage to advocate

[1:03:00] Voice 17: when dealing with other government agencies

[1:03:02] Voice 17: on several issues.

[1:03:04] Voice 17: Trust Council's new commitment

[1:03:06] Voice 17: to advocate to the provincial government

[1:03:08] Voice 17: for the necessary jurisdictional authority to regulate forestry operations and tree cutting

[1:03:14] Voice 17: is particularly encouraging. GALT also strongly supports the protection of unfragmented forest

[1:03:21] Voice 17: ecosystems from the impacts of human disturbance. Unfortunately, the policy is not accompanied by

[1:03:28] Voice 17: any specific targets for conservation. Many islands in the trust area currently fall far

[1:03:34] Voice 17: far short of Canada's stated conservation commitments for lands and waters,

[1:03:38] Voice 17: and this shortcoming must be addressed by setting specific conservation targets for the trust area.

[1:03:46] Voice 17: And finally, GALT is pleased the policy statement clearly acknowledges the key role

[1:03:51] Voice 17: of the Islands Trust Conservancy in fulfilling the Islands Trust mandate,

[1:03:56] Voice 17: and its reference to recent published findings that some islands in the trust area

[1:04:01] Voice 17: are already reaching or surpassing accepted thresholds

[1:04:05] Voice 17: of human disturbance,

[1:04:06] Voice 17: above which ecosystem health is known to decline.

[1:04:09] Voice 17: Missing, however, are any trust commitments

[1:04:12] Voice 17: or policies that specify the maximum amount

[1:04:15] Voice 17: of human disturbance that will be tolerated.

[1:04:19] Voice 17: We believe safeguarding the trust's unique amenities

[1:04:22] Voice 17: requires establishing density limits

[1:04:24] Voice 17: in combination with caps on human disturbance.

[1:04:27] Voice 17: Otherwise, and despite strong policies and commitments, human disturbance to the trust's lands and waters will relentlessly continue until those unique amenities are irreparably damaged. Thank you.

[1:04:42] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:04:43] Trustee Luckham: So Steve McLean is next and then Colleen Doughty.

[1:04:52] Voice 10: Hi, can you hear me?

[1:04:54] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[1:04:54] Voice 10: Yes, I'm Steve McLean. I'm Gabrielle Island. So I've read the policy change draft, but I need more time to analyze it.

[1:05:06] Voice 10: I have a person with disabilities. I have a cognitive impairment. So it's it's a little bit hard for me to process all of this.

[1:05:13] Voice 10: But I also remember meeting with someone who I think was a trustee on the ferry a couple of years ago.

[1:05:19] Voice 10: He was sitting by a display. He wasn't trying to engage anybody, but I asked him what was up.

[1:05:24] Voice 10: but when I started expressing some opinions on the matter he kind of looked away like he wasn't

[1:05:31] Voice 10: interested and said oh that won't be a very popular opinion or something like that so I don't feel

[1:05:35] Voice 10: like there was really like engagement that included me I don't know of anybody else and I watched the

[1:05:41] Voice 10: meeting of the committee it took me a couple days to get through it but and I thought there were

[1:05:46] Voice 10: some political remarks made by staff with all due respect so I'm a little bit concerned about the

[1:05:50] Voice 10: process and I'm just wondering what the current term in office has to do with the timeline if

[1:05:56] Voice 10: it's the will of the people it will happen at its own pace.

[1:06:05] Trustee Luckham: Okay thank you sir I'm going to now go

[1:06:10] Trustee Luckham: to Colleen Dottie and then although I see Mayor Reid has her hand up I'm not sure if that's left

[1:06:17] Trustee Luckham: over from before or not but I do want to respect that others that have not spoken once will have

[1:06:22] Trustee Luckham: have the opportunity to speak a first time and may we'll we'll come

[1:06:27] Trustee Luckham: back to you um after we've

[1:06:29] Trustee Luckham: heard people speak a first time calling dottie over to you and then richard friesen all right

[1:06:36] Voice 14: well good evening trustees uh can you hear me yes

[1:06:39] Trustee Luckham: we can okay

[1:06:40] Voice 14: thank you my name is calling dottie

[1:06:42] Voice 14: i along with three generations of my family am a resident of what is now known as galliano

[1:06:48] Voice 14: In addition to working full-time, I work the equivalent of a part-time job as a volunteer across two different affordable housing boards that are both engaged in active rezoning applications on Galliano.

[1:07:02] Voice 14: The status quo is not working.

[1:07:05] Voice 14: Our communities are suffering from a lack of diverse housing.

[1:07:09] Voice 14: We need policy changes that support and give energy to healthy, diverse communities.

[1:07:16] Voice 14: I support the work Islands Trust Council is doing to modernize and update the language of the Trust Policy Statement to reflect the pressing and overwhelming challenges of our time.

[1:07:30] Voice 14: The Trust Policy Statement should not stay ossified in the last iteration of the Policy Statement.

[1:07:37] Voice 14: We need a trust policy statement that recognizes the interconnectedness of all the components of social justice, reconciliation, recognizing and adapting to climate change, protecting the environment, and ensuring supportive bylaw frameworks that facilitate the development of affordable and diverse housing.

[1:07:59] Voice 14: I encourage Trust Council to continue work that is attentive to those

[1:08:05] Voice 14: interconnections that support social justice in all its dimensions. I have had

[1:08:11] Voice 14: several opportunities to provide my input on this on the draft policy

[1:08:15] Voice 14: statement and the upcoming potential changes and idea generations. In 2019 I

[1:08:22] Voice 14: attended two in-person Islands 2015 meetings. I was interviewed on the ferry

[1:08:29] Voice 14: by Trust Area Services staff.

[1:08:31] Voice 14: I filled out an online survey.

[1:08:33] Voice 14: I have given feedback to my local trust committee

[1:08:36] Voice 14: and I am present now.

[1:08:38] Voice 14: I am comfortable with you moving forward on first reading.

[1:08:41] Voice 14: There's certainly more work to be done.

[1:08:44] Voice 14: It's not perfect, but let's move forward

[1:08:47] Voice 14: and continue the momentum.

[1:08:49] Voice 14: So thank

[1:08:49] Voice 14: you for your hard work.

[1:08:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Colleen.

[1:08:53] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to note here before I go to Richard Friesen

[1:08:57] Trustee Luckham: that we are still at 22 trustees that are still with us.

[1:09:02] Trustee Luckham: And I'm assuming that the remaining trustees

[1:09:05] Trustee Luckham: are not with us because of the power outage

[1:09:07] Trustee Luckham: on what appears to be focused

[1:09:09] Trustee Luckham: on the Southern Gulf Islands, Maine,

[1:09:11] Trustee Luckham: Saterna and Pender, the Penders.

[1:09:16] Trustee Luckham: And we do have 137 attendees at this time,

[1:09:20] Trustee Luckham: but just want to acknowledge that those voices

[1:09:23] Trustee Luckham: will be missing in the opportunity to speak

[1:09:27] Trustee Luckham: to council at this time, and I will say that we will consider what other options might be

[1:09:34] Trustee Luckham: available to us. We do have a meeting tomorrow that, you know, if the power is restored to those

[1:09:40] Trustee Luckham: locations, we may be able to, but that would be a decision of council tomorrow. But I'm cognizant

[1:09:49] Trustee Luckham: of this fact, and we will try to write it in some way. It's not clear to me in this sort of

[1:09:56] Trustee Luckham: crisis management situation that that would be, and how we might do that in the future. So

[1:10:01] Trustee Luckham: just want to acknowledge that there may be an absence of those voices at the table today. And

[1:10:07] Trustee Luckham: so let us continue this time with Colleen Friesen, and then we'll follow up with Jacinthe Eastick.

[1:10:15] Voice 33: Okay, I suspect it's Richard Friesen. Can you hear me?

[1:10:18] Trustee Luckham: Oh, yes. Sorry. Did I get that wrong?

[1:10:20] Voice 33: Well, I'm not Colleen, but I'd like to be. I'm transitioning, maybe.

[1:10:26] Voice 33: Okay. Yes, Richard Friesen from South Pender Island. And if I get cut off, both myself and

[1:10:32] Voice 33: Shaw Cable are on backup power system because we're dead as a doornail. So if I seem to cut

[1:10:41] Voice 33: off, then that's great. Peter, personally, could you work on that opening for safe and dignified

[1:10:52] Voice 33: meetings and maybe cut it down a bit i found it very uh irritating to be talked down to like that

[1:11:01] Voice 33: perhaps a simple statement that this is a workplace it's uh everybody should have the

[1:11:07] Voice 33: right to feel safe and anybody not talking will be cut off that should be about all that's all

[1:11:13] Voice 33: all that's needed there.

[1:11:16] Voice 33: I'd like to speak towards page 12 of the document

[1:11:22] Voice 33: that you will be considering where it talks about regional

[1:11:27] Voice 33: and localized approaches.

[1:11:30] Voice 33: Within the statement, it says where the preeminent duty

[1:11:33] Voice 33: of all locally elected officials is to uphold

[1:11:36] Voice 33: the islands trust object and regional mandate

[1:11:42] Voice 33: mandate in all aspects of local planning I'm wondering how much room and perhaps you could

[1:11:49] Voice 33: clarify in meetings subsequent to this how much wiggle room do and autonomy do local trustees

[1:11:55] Voice 33: actually have and lastly talking about expanding jurisdiction over forest lands please please

[1:12:04] Voice 33: please develop technical and forestry practices from forest professionals expertise before you

[1:12:14] Voice 33: ask the government to grant you powers over forestry operations on the island. There's a

[1:12:23] Voice 33: lot of expertise available on that. Managed forest license persons would like to work with Islands

[1:12:30] Voice 33: trust, but we have to be working, speaking the same language. So perhaps you could consider that

[1:12:36] Voice 33: when applying to get jurisdiction over managed forest lands. And that's it for me. Thank you.

[1:12:43] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you,

[1:12:44] Trustee Luckham: Richard. And thank you for your remarks. I'm going to now go to Jacinthe Eastick

[1:12:53] Trustee Luckham: and the next speaker following Jacinthe will be Jim Mabson.

[1:12:58] Voice 9: Good evening.

[1:13:00] Voice 9: Jacinthe from Gabriela Island.

[1:13:03] Voice 9: First reading is given when there is general agreement

[1:13:08] Voice 9: with the format and the content of a draft.

[1:13:13] Voice 9: I agree with a lot of the policies in this draft,

[1:13:17] Voice 9: and some, of course, I do not,

[1:13:20] Voice 9: but that's something that we will be discussing

[1:13:22] Voice 9: over the few months coming up.

[1:13:25] Voice 9: but i'm not at all happy with the format it's too long too bulky too wordy what i would suggest

[1:13:35] Voice 9: pull all of the directives policies that you are proposing and bunch them together pull all the

[1:13:44] Voice 9: advocacy policies and put them in the schedule of the island's trust policy statement bylaw

[1:13:51] Voice 9: Retrieve the implementation of the Trust Policy Statement by-law from its disconnected closet

[1:13:58] Voice 9: and make it a schedule of the Alliance Trust Policy Statement by-law.

[1:14:03] Voice 9: Add a definition section.

[1:14:07] Voice 9: I also ask you to consider not to give first reading to the draft by-law at this time.

[1:14:14] Voice 9: To send an amended draft by-law because no doubt there will be some amendments made tomorrow.

[1:14:20] Voice 9: tomorrow, hopefully with my suggested formats, for consultation with First Nations, affected

[1:14:29] Voice 9: the islanders, property electors and the province generally by way of legal notices in provincial

[1:14:37] Voice 9: publication and the like.

[1:14:40] Voice 9: To hold off sending referrals to 100 agencies at this time, but to send it to the regional

[1:14:45] Voice 9: districts, just as per the Islands Trust Act. Remember, we were assured that substantive

[1:14:53] Voice 9: changes were possible post-first reading. Referring twice to the masses of agencies

[1:15:01] Voice 9: seems a waste of human resources to me. Furthermore, sending it now would just reinforce

[1:15:07] Voice 9: the notion that few or very few changes can be made post-public first reading, sorry.

[1:15:14] Voice 9: And then I ask you to consider to give consideration the first reading post-consultation amended draft to refer the proposed island trust policy statement then to the agencies, and to follow with the regular process of bylaw approval.

[1:15:33] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[1:15:33] Voice 9: you,

[1:15:34] Trustee Luckham: Jacinthe. Your two minutes is expired. I'm sorry.

[1:15:38] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:15:39] Trustee Luckham: Jim Madsen, and then Gio Leroux.

[1:15:44] Trustee Luckham: uh

[1:15:48] Voice 4: hello chair uh can you hear me yes okay uh good evening uh trustees and chair uh thank you for

[1:15:54] Voice 4: holding the meeting tonight uh a few comments from a review of the uh the draft and from the opening

[1:16:01] Voice 4: comments that were made tonight again thank you for giving us this opportunity uh what i what i

[1:16:07] Voice 4: gather from uh from from the review and from the comments uh from the from the overall proposal

[1:16:12] Voice 4: is that we're really considering a number of big themes here.

[1:16:19] Voice 4: What I've written down are climate change, environmental impacts,

[1:16:25] Voice 4: UN DRIP for Indigenous Peoples, affordable housing, water supply,

[1:16:32] Voice 4: and then the pandemic was also mentioned at the tail end of the opening.

[1:16:37] Voice 4: What I see these folks as being as a large grouping of loosely connected issues, loosely connected topics.

[1:16:50] Voice 4: Some are connected, but many are not, but very, very big issues and very big topics being considered in the creation of this draft.

[1:17:00] Voice 4: draft. From my perspective and from my experience to take a scope of issues of that breadth and that

[1:17:07] Voice 4: depth and to consider all of them in one large sweeping change in a comprehensive, to use your

[1:17:15] Voice 4: own words, in a comprehensive document and a change proposal as you've put together is

[1:17:24] Voice 4: is considerable and is fraught with potential risk.

[1:17:29] Voice 4: If you were to take one of those issues

[1:17:31] Voice 4: and tackle it and roll it out properly,

[1:17:34] Voice 4: you would have lots of,

[1:17:35] Voice 4: we would have lots to do and lots to think about.

[1:17:38] Voice 4: That's the first thing.

[1:17:40] Voice 4: Thank you, Jim.

[1:17:42] Trustee Luckham: Your two minutes is also up

[1:17:43] Trustee Luckham: and you're welcome to get your name back on the list

[1:17:46] Trustee Luckham: after others have spoken first.

[1:17:48] Trustee Luckham: I will, thank you.

[1:17:49] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:17:49] Trustee Luckham: And Gio Leroux, you have the floor for two minutes.

[1:17:54] Voice 30: Good evening.

[1:17:55] Voice 30: It's George Leroux, actually, Peter.

[1:17:57] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see.

[1:17:57] Voice 30: I'm on Pender Island.

[1:18:00] Voice 30: I'm a farmer.

[1:18:02] Voice 30: I've spent my whole life in the agri-food business.

[1:18:06] Voice 30: Today, we run a small hobby farm where we employ locals, mostly women, growing food

[1:18:11] Voice 30: for the community.

[1:18:13] Voice 30: It seems to me pretty clear the policy statement discussion has exposed some philosophical

[1:18:18] Voice 30: differences among us. People don't generally feel as though they've been informed or fully

[1:18:25] Voice 30: or transparently before this goes to first reading. I think this is probably fair and you

[1:18:31] Voice 30: should be very thoughtful in how you respect the requests coming from some members of the public.

[1:18:37] Voice 30: Let me talk on content. I'd like to focus on agriculture. Why is agriculture being curtailed?

[1:18:44] Voice 30: You protest. No, it is not being curtailed. But let me explore the devils in the details.

[1:18:51] Voice 30: Why will the trust no longer support inclusion of land into the ALR? That seems counterintuitive

[1:18:59] Voice 30: if you support agriculture. What does it mean to farming not adversely affecting or impacting

[1:19:06] Voice 30: environmental integrity or indigenous food security? Most farming is about producing food.

[1:19:12] Voice 30: food, most activity has an impact, and agriculture is no exception. What does it mean? There was a

[1:19:20] Voice 30: comment made by a trustee at the Trust Program Committee meeting. Farmers don't listen to us,

[1:19:25] Voice 30: just do what they want. We have to tell them what to do. Is that indicative of the attitude to

[1:19:31] Voice 30: farmers? I hope not. What does it mean to establish, maintain, and protect continuous

[1:19:38] Voice 30: What does continuous Ag for Embedded Forests mean when it's applied to farmers? Can we no longer expand our farms or orchards?

[1:19:45] Voice 30: What does it mean that LCC shall ensure freshwater use is not detrimental? Does this mean I can't build a pond or a dugout for irrigation or water for livestock?

[1:19:56] Voice 30: These are just a few questions that I have, and I think it's important that these be considered before it goes into the formal process of first reading.

[1:20:05] Voice 30: Thank you for your time.

[1:20:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, George Laro.

[1:20:10] Trustee Luckham: Brian E. Penn is my next speaker

[1:20:13] Trustee Luckham: and then followed by Miles Parker.

[1:20:19] Voice 41: Hello, it's Brian E. Penn speaking

[1:20:21] Voice 41: from Salt Spring Island.

[1:20:22] Voice 41: I just wanted to thank the chair and council

[1:20:26] Voice 41: for this draft and support a reading as soon as possible.

[1:20:33] Voice 41: Just to reiterate that these issues are all connected

[1:20:36] Voice 41: and this is the time to tackle them not later. I just wanted to provide a short historical

[1:20:46] Voice 41: anecdote just to give to give everyone a sense of how long we've been waiting for policy that are

[1:20:52] Voice 41: are tackling these egregious issues that have been outstanding for well I looked at it was my

[1:20:59] Voice 41: I was pregnant with my second child so that was 1995 and in the I was on the focus group

[1:21:05] Voice 41: environment committee working on all of these issues and many of these issues were shot down

[1:21:12] Voice 41: in that draft and i just wanted to encourage the trustees to have the courage and to to really get

[1:21:22] Voice 41: these issues on the table so that we can as a community discuss them because if we can't even

[1:21:28] Voice 41: get them on the table we lack that ability to look deeply and also to really understand the

[1:21:35] Voice 41: the deep connections between these issues,

[1:21:37] Voice 41: between affordable housing and water availability

[1:21:42] Voice 41: and conservation and climate change.

[1:21:45] Voice 41: In fact, these are all important, important issues.

[1:21:48] Voice 41: And I wanted to really specifically point to some of the,

[1:21:53] Voice 41: you know, some of these issues that we tried to get in,

[1:21:56] Voice 41: like in the directive 6.2.6,

[1:22:00] Voice 41: which I think sends a really strong message

[1:22:02] Voice 41: to young people that we are concerned about how we're going to afford their housing because it

[1:22:11] Voice 41: it sets a limit on the upper end of housing and I think that that is a an issue we tried to bring

[1:22:16] Voice 41: in 30 years ago and it was going to bring with it a some kind of trust fund to support affordable

[1:22:24] Voice 41: housing it never happened and if it had we probably would have had about 20 million dollars

[1:22:28] Voice 41: to help create affordable housing.

[1:22:31] Voice 41: So I don't want to see any more delays.

[1:22:33] Voice 41: I've been waiting nearly 30 years.

[1:22:36] Voice 41: Thank you.

[1:22:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:22:40] Trustee Luckham: Miles Parker is the next speaker.

[1:22:43] Trustee Luckham: And then Flavivia, I see that you have your hand up still,

[1:22:47] Trustee Luckham: but I'm going to go to Jeff Green as a first speaker,

[1:22:50] Trustee Luckham: and we can pick you up at the end if there's time.

[1:22:54] Trustee Luckham: So Miles Parker and then Jeff Green.

[1:22:56] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[1:22:58] Voice 23: you for your time tonight and for giving me the opportunity to talk.

[1:23:03] Voice 23: I would like to strongly encourage all trustees to delay presenting this as first reading for three months to allow for further public consultation.

[1:23:12] Voice 23: And I base that on the fact that there has been a lot of discussions, a lot of heated discussions that have come on since the policy statement was issued.

[1:23:19] Voice 23: and it appears that there are many of us who are not clearly clear to us why some of the policy

[1:23:26] Voice 23: statements changes have been made and i think public consultation to allow us the population

[1:23:31] Voice 23: to understand the reasons behind some of these more detailed points would be greatly appreciated

[1:23:37] Voice 23: as an example the desalination plant we have just heard tonight that um that maybe desalination is

[1:23:45] Voice 23: not such a bad thing on a certain scale but I think a three-month period to allow the trustees

[1:23:51] Voice 23: to discuss with the population the reasons for some of these changes I think would be very helpful

[1:23:57] Voice 23: and would allow the population to be engaged and to encourage and move forward with your policy

[1:24:03] Voice 23: statement. Thank you very much for your time.

[1:24:06] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much. Now go to Jeff Green and

[1:24:12] Trustee Luckham: And then we're going to go with Kevin Ross following Jeff Green.

[1:24:16] Voice 57: Hi, Jeff Green from North Pender Island.

[1:24:20] Voice 57: I agree with many of the thrusts of the policy and do applaud the overall thrust of the policy and also the engagement of Indigenous people that's long overdue.

[1:24:33] Voice 57: But I'll try and cover three things that are bothering me, which is your public engagement process, the content of the policy and jurisdiction.

[1:24:44] Voice 57: I'm not going to spend long on public engagement, except to say that based on your own documents, you engage 2.1% of the trust population on the ID exchange.

[1:24:53] Voice 57: That was your best result.

[1:24:54] Voice 57: So if you think public engagement involving 2.1% of 36,000 people is adequate, I would beg to differ.

[1:25:03] Voice 57: So I think going forward, you have to do a much better job in advertising and helping people that are not digitally connected.

[1:25:12] Voice 57: In terms of the content, I agree with, I think it was Justine that said the document is wordy.

[1:25:18] Voice 57: It's very long. There's like overly long and I think opinionated context.

[1:25:24] Voice 57: And for a legal document that's going to serve as a regulatory guideline, it needs to be very clear.

[1:25:31] Voice 57: And I agree that I think you should strip much of the superfluous content out, get down to the directives, and please include a glossary.

[1:25:41] Voice 57: You use many terms without defining them.

[1:25:44] Voice 57: I use different terms in different sections for the same thing.

[1:25:47] Voice 57: Choose a glossary and work with it, please, because it's a regulatory document and it needs to be accurate.

[1:25:54] Voice 57: and easily understood.

[1:25:56] Voice 57: The last is the jurisdiction of the trust

[1:25:59] Voice 57: is stated very clearly in the Islands Trust Act.

[1:26:03] Voice 57: And I would really like the trust to justify

[1:26:07] Voice 57: why they are expanding well beyond what their mandate is.

[1:26:10] Voice 57: The act defines islands as land.

[1:26:13] Voice 57: They don't define islands as including all the water.

[1:26:17] Voice 57: Schedule A refers to islands

[1:26:19] Voice 57: as well as the high water mark.

[1:26:21] Voice 57: and you're I'm not against creating an initiative for marine environments for example but it's not

[1:26:28] Voice 57: really your jurisdiction so I think you need to explain to us why you think it is the objective

[1:26:34] Voice 57: of the trust is to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment and

[1:26:39] Voice 57: again you're going well beyond that statement you were really initially a conservation organization

[1:26:45] Voice 57: And,

[1:26:46] Trustee Luckham: sir, your two minutes is up. I'm sorry.

[1:26:49] Voice 57: Thank you.

[1:26:50] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. I apologize to those that I've had to cut off.

[1:26:54] Trustee Luckham: The speaker's list is quite lengthy, and we do want to try and hear from everybody that we can tonight.

[1:27:02] Trustee Luckham: So, Kevin

[1:27:02] Trustee Luckham: Ross, you're the next speaker, and then Gordie is following Kevin Ross.

[1:27:08] Voice 11: Good evening, and thank you for the opportunity of speaking to the council.

[1:27:12] Voice 11: and I live on Salt Spring Island

[1:27:16] Voice 11: and I've got three points which I have found

[1:27:20] Voice 11: that would impact me directly.

[1:27:22] Voice 11: And I'm trying to understand why these points have been made.

[1:27:27] Voice 11: So they refer to docs.

[1:27:29] Voice 11: What information is available to show

[1:27:32] Voice 11: that the current permitting process is not working?

[1:27:35] Voice 11: It is extensive, it's costly,

[1:27:37] Voice 11: and as far as we can tell, it is working.

[1:27:41] Voice 11: So what is driving this whole movement to ban docks?

[1:27:47] Voice 11: What information is there available?

[1:27:51] Voice 11: Tree felling.

[1:27:52] Voice 11: And I certainly take up the suggestion of one of the previous speakers about utilizing the knowledge to manage trees and forests.

[1:28:06] Voice 11: They have to be managed.

[1:28:07] Voice 11: And to say that no trees can be chopped down without a permit when normal maintenance needs to be carried out on our properties, we have trees all over the place.

[1:28:18] Voice 11: So I really don't understand what is the rationale to justify that extensive reach.

[1:28:24] Voice 11: And then the third one, which I still don't understand, is to do with silence, where people are able to, it's suggested that people have a right to silence.

[1:28:37] Voice 11: I'm afraid we all coexist.

[1:28:39] Voice 11: If we want a right to silence, we should move out of this area.

[1:28:43] Voice 11: Silence in antisocial hours and to a certain level,

[1:28:47] Voice 11: I think is certainly can be understood and is valid.

[1:28:51] Voice 11: But to say there's total silence so that anybody with a grudge

[1:28:54] Voice 11: can just make a complaint about somebody's dogs or mowing a lawn

[1:28:58] Voice 11: or anything that goes on in the property

[1:29:01] Voice 11: is certainly overreaching and overarching.

[1:29:04] Voice 11: overarching and so I would like to see and I think the population would like to see what is

[1:29:10] Voice 11: the justification for some of these moves some of them are perfectly logical and understandable

[1:29:14] Voice 11: and have wide support but there are others which just do not meet that criteria and we are

[1:29:22] Voice 11: wondering to wanting to know what is the rationale behind these moves thank you and thank you very

[1:29:28] Trustee Luckham: much um gordy is my next speaker here and then following gordy will be dan o'donnell

[1:29:37] Voice 21: uh thank you gordy duncan from south pender island and um i'm hoping my ups will hold in before

[1:29:44] Voice 21: uh get finished um i want to voice my strong opposition to this draft being passed into first

[1:29:53] Voice 21: reading tomorrow. I have many concerns.

[1:30:00] Voice 21: about the long-term and far-reaching effect of what we're seeing being presented to us in this

[1:30:06] Voice 21: draft i'd like to remind the trust that their mandate is land used and preserve and protect

[1:30:15] Voice 21: within that purview clearly i believe that environmental recon reconciliation affordable

[1:30:21] Voice 21: housing belong in the realm of the federal and provincial governments and the trust should be

[1:30:28] Voice 21: taking their guidance from those people in developing their bylaws the three above portfolios

[1:30:38] Voice 21: that i just mentioned concern everyone and there is no one for or against this that would be saying

[1:30:46] Voice 21: that the environment should be left the way it is and that we don't need to make changes

[1:30:50] Voice 21: but the trust misguided attempts to mandate itself as the determining governance

[1:30:57] Voice 21: on how these complex portfolios will be applied to residents and their properties is not acceptable.

[1:31:08] Voice 21: The particular case where particularly the trust lacks the expertise to do this,

[1:31:14] Voice 21: let alone on any one of those, let alone all three portfolios.

[1:31:19] Voice 21: And I, as a taxpayer, am not interested in seeing the trust hire many more additional

[1:31:27] Voice 21: staff to deal with and administer these changes that they're proposing in the draft. With respect

[1:31:35] Voice 21: to reconciliation of First Nations, we've recently learned that there's First Nations on

[1:31:43] Voice 21: Galliano, known as the Coast Salish of Galliano. And it's my understanding that the Trust doesn't

[1:31:52] Voice 21: recognize this group and has not consulted with them at all so i have some questions as to how

[1:32:00] Voice 21: much uh consultation even in the reconciliation process has taken place thank

[1:32:08] Trustee Luckham: you gordy um

[1:32:09] Trustee Luckham: two minutes is up thank you thank you sir um next speaker is marjan jackman and then a telephone

[1:32:17] Trustee Luckham: phone number by the looks of it that ends in 7226 so or did i miss dan o'donnell sorry dan

[1:32:25] Trustee Luckham: o'donnell is actually my next speaker i apologize and then uh marjan jackman and then uh 7226 go

[1:32:33] Trustee Luckham: ahead dan o'donnell hello

[1:32:36] Voice 32: this is dan uh dan o'donnell salt spring island i am a co-salish

[1:32:42] Voice 32: person from salt spring island there my family how do we get off

[1:33:00] Voice 50: um

[1:33:01] Trustee Luckham: so dan have you lost your connection okay i can hear you now we've actually had some

[1:33:09] Trustee Luckham: thunder strikes here and lightning possibly

[1:33:12] Trustee Luckham: go

[1:33:13] Voice 32: ahead i'm uh dan o'donnell salt spring island

[1:33:16] Voice 32: I'm a Coast Salish person from Salt Spring Island.

[1:33:22] Voice 32: I have the privilege of being able to say that my family has never not been on Salt Spring Island.

[1:33:31] Voice 32: I have a number of questions that I have that end up being for the Trust.

[1:33:39] Voice 32: there is first of all is when i hear i've constantly heard uh this is the unseated

[1:33:47] Voice 32: land of the coast salish people what does that mean for anybody and you know i don't know it

[1:33:52] Voice 32: doesn't seem to it doesn't seem to make any difference that he just it just ends up saying

[1:33:58] Voice 32: that but um a lot of the uh um trust policies that are being brought forward are going to

[1:34:09] Voice 32: directly affect not only my family but my colleagues in how we go about our way of life

[1:34:20] Voice 32: on Salt Spring, working in forestry and fishing and all of that.

[1:34:27] Voice 32: that so that uh i think that this um uh trust policy is probably not not the best thing for

[1:34:39] Voice 32: for our people and uh not none of us were were consulted by in in any of this and there's a

[1:34:48] Voice 32: number of of our coast salish people the salt spring on on these islands here they're uh

[1:34:55] Voice 32: uh, the, the, I've worked in the forest industry on Salt Spring all my life. And, uh, I've joked

[1:35:04] Voice 32: with people that I said, I, that I, um, cry myself to sleep at night because I can't keep up with the

[1:35:11] Voice 32: tree, keep up with being able to cut down the trees. There's, there's, uh, they just keep growing

[1:35:17] Voice 32: and growing. So as far as with the trust going, thinking that they need to control tree cutting

[1:35:25] Voice 32: and all that and and docs and everything like this I don't I'm trying to understand

[1:35:32] Voice 32: um what it's all about okay uh

[1:35:37] Voice 32: thank you Dan

[1:35:37] Trustee Luckham: um I would like to move on to another speaker um

[1:35:43] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go to Marjan Jackman as my next speaker and then follow with the phone number

[1:35:50] Trustee Luckham: ending in 7226. Marjan, Jacqueline, you have the floor.

[1:35:56] Voice 35: Thank you. I wanted to first thank you for having, for going ahead with this meeting

[1:36:03] Voice 35: following the power outages, even though it's unfortunate that that happened, but

[1:36:08] Voice 35: we canceled other very important commitments to be here today. So I really appreciate the meeting

[1:36:15] Voice 35: continuing. And second, I wanted to comment on the availability of information as well as the

[1:36:22] Voice 35: consultation on this policy statement. We moved to Thetis full-time beginning of 2020. We've had

[1:36:31] Voice 35: family connections to the island for many years, but we moved in beginning of 2020. And while we

[1:36:37] Voice 35: were becoming familiar with the island, its politics and our representatives, as well as the

[1:36:43] Voice 35: local policies, obviously, we ended up on the Islands Trust website. And it was very easy for

[1:36:49] Voice 35: me to find information about Islands 2050, as well as information on the consultations that were held

[1:36:58] Voice 35: in 2019, as well as consultations that happened in 2021. I know that there was a survey that ran

[1:37:08] Voice 35: for, I think, three weeks beginning of this year, and then it was extended, a survey that I

[1:37:13] Voice 35: participated in. And then in addition to that, there was also an open house earlier this year,

[1:37:20] Voice 35: I believe, in March. So there's been multiple opportunities for myself and other members of

[1:37:26] Voice 35: the public to contribute. And as you mentioned earlier, the first reading is the official start

[1:37:34] Voice 35: of public consultation and this isn't going to be final.

[1:37:39] Voice 35: So public input can continue to come in

[1:37:41] Voice 35: and policies can be changed.

[1:37:43] Voice 35: This is not going to be final.

[1:37:45] Voice 35: So I want to put my support in the Islands Trust

[1:37:50] Voice 35: and with going forward with this policy statement

[1:37:53] Voice 35: for first reading.

[1:37:55] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[1:37:57] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to go to the caller with number 7226.

[1:38:02] Trustee Luckham: If you don't mind introducing yourself, please.

[1:38:04] Trustee Luckham: and then the next speaker will be Sean Adol.

[1:38:24] Trustee Luckham: Are you there, 7226?

[1:38:30] Voice 20: Hello?

[1:38:31] Trustee Luckham: Yes, hello.

[1:38:32] Voice 20: I'm sorry, I'm not really 7226, but that's okay.

[1:38:36] Voice 20: I have a question.

[1:38:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay, go ahead.

[1:38:40] Voice 20: And for the trustees, it'll be brief,

[1:38:42] Voice 20: but I would like a response to the question.

[1:38:45] Voice 20: It's not a comment.

[1:38:47] Voice 20: As everyone knows, there is a regulatory duty

[1:38:52] Voice 20: to consult with the community and communities

[1:38:55] Voice 20: prior to finalizing and preparing a new policy

[1:39:00] Voice 20: to go to first reading.

[1:39:02] Voice 20: And I guess my question to the trustees is as follows.

[1:39:07] Voice 20: Other than tonight, which as I understand

[1:39:10] Voice 20: was fairly recently orchestrated,

[1:39:14] Voice 20: what other public events, town halls,

[1:39:20] Voice 20: opportunities for public input,

[1:39:23] Voice 20: have occurred what were the dates of those sessions and who all participated in those

[1:39:31] Voice 20: thank you oh

[1:39:36] Trustee Luckham: thank you and I want to acknowledge your question you and your request to have that

[1:39:41] Trustee Luckham: question answered that information is available on our website in the islands 2050 it's a complex

[1:39:51] Trustee Luckham: answer because there were many meetings and many people involved and as this project continues if

[1:39:59] Trustee Luckham: council wishes it to continue that information will become more apparent and so your question

[1:40:06] Trustee Luckham: will be answered with time I'm afraid it would be it would take up not that it should be an

[1:40:13] Trustee Luckham: excuse but it would take up a lot of time this evening to deliver that content to you in this

[1:40:18] Trustee Luckham: format. So thank you for your question. This meeting is being recorded and your question

[1:40:25] Trustee Luckham: will go into the questions that we need to be sure will be answered as we advance through this

[1:40:31] Trustee Luckham: project. So I'm going to go to the next speaker, Sean Adol. And then indeed, I apologize if these

[1:40:37] Trustee Luckham: numbers don't match up somehow, but the number I have here is the last four digits is 0942.

[1:40:44] Trustee Luckham: work too and so uh that would be the speaker to follow shauna doll over to you shauna doll

[1:40:51] Voice 2: can you hear me

[1:40:51] Trustee Luckham: yes okay

[1:40:53] Voice 2: perfect so my name is shauna doll and i'm the gulf islands forest

[1:40:56] Voice 2: project coordinator with raincoast conservation foundation and i'm calling in from treaty 8

[1:41:00] Voice 2: territory in northern alberta though the lands of lagunquin speaking people are my home

[1:41:04] Voice 2: as advocates for the ecosystems and species of coastal british columbia raincoast's role is to

[1:41:08] Voice 2: mobilize peer-reviewed science rigorous policy review and other ways of knowing to influence

[1:41:12] Voice 2: better environmental management and policy and I'm calling today in support of an operational

[1:41:17] Voice 2: trust policy statement. Throughout this review process, Raincoast has been advocating for a

[1:41:21] Voice 2: final policy statement that one, upholds the trust preserve and protect mandate and two,

[1:41:25] Voice 2: is operational and enforceable at the local planning level. To be clear, we are in support

[1:41:31] Voice 2: of this review. The 1994 version of this document is outdated and fails to operationalize the mandate

[1:41:36] Voice 2: of the trust in a meaningful way. Further, it does not recognize the cultural history of these

[1:41:40] Voice 2: islands and the people who lived on and stewarded them for thousands of years prior to settler

[1:41:44] Voice 2: arrival we acknowledge that our correspondence with the trusted date has repeatedly encouraged

[1:41:47] Voice 2: urgency and political bravery from trustees and staff in light of the twin biodiversity

[1:41:51] Voice 2: and climate crises that are having detrimental impacts on the fragile island ecosystems within

[1:41:56] Voice 2: the trust area however we also acknowledge that if the revised tps is not carefully crafted with

[1:42:00] Voice 2: clear and intentional language and objectives those sensitive island ecosystems and the

[1:42:04] Voice 2: populations they support could be at risk of further degradation despite some strong additions

[1:42:08] Voice 2: and amendments to directive policies in the current TPS draft, the policy 1.3.1 policy

[1:42:15] Voice 2: statement implementation continues to govern the TPS's implementation and directive policies,

[1:42:19] Voice 2: regardless of their strength, can be avoided and ignored at the local level, as they often have

[1:42:23] Voice 2: been since the last TPS was ratified. After considerable research and reflection, it has

[1:42:28] Voice 2: become clear that without immediate actionability written directly into the TPS, the revision

[1:42:31] Voice 2: process will be a wasted opportunity. A strong TPS will not only allow for greater adherence to

[1:42:36] Voice 2: the trust's mandate but also aid in the fulfillment of the trust's climate emergency declaration and

[1:42:40] Voice 2: reconciliation declaration as such we support slowing the revision process i.e pausing first

[1:42:45] Voice 2: reading until actionability is embedded into the tps we hope that this input provides guidance to

[1:42:50] Voice 2: strengthen the resulting tps and aids in our collective objective to preserve and protect

[1:42:54] Voice 2: these islands for this generation and those of the future thank you thank

[1:42:58] Trustee Luckham: you very much shauna

[1:43:00] Trustee Luckham: a lot of information in two minutes well done um i'm going to go on to the phone number

[1:43:06] Trustee Luckham: at zero nine four two and if you don't mind introducing yourself and then we're going to go

[1:43:11] Trustee Luckham: to helen shilliday and do you need to unmute yourself there um zero nine four two star six

[1:43:35] Voice 53: to unmute star

[1:43:37] Trustee Luckham: six is unmute sometimes there's a mute button on your phone i will come back to you

[1:43:51] Trustee Luckham: but I think the technology is not supporting us at this moment and I'm going to go with

[1:43:57] Trustee Luckham: Helen Shilliday and oh there we go Helen Shilliday you know how the floor and 8 0 9 4 2 if you can

[1:44:08] Trustee Luckham: try to resolve your mute issue there and maybe even just phoning back in might be a good approach

[1:44:15] Trustee Luckham: but you might lose your place on the speakers list which I'll make an effort to try and acknowledge

[1:44:20] Trustee Luckham: you if I can. Helen Shilliday, over to you. I'm hoping the problem isn't at our end.

[1:44:39] Trustee Luckham: So Helen Shilliday. Okay, so we'll make a note of this as we keep rolling along. All I can do

[1:44:52] Trustee Luckham: at this end is see if somebody else is able to speak.

[1:44:56] Voice 1: So I'm going to go

[1:44:57] Trustee Luckham: to another phone number

[1:44:59] Trustee Luckham: ending in 5205 I think is the one that it shifts around but I also not sure who

[1:45:13] Trustee Luckham: is active here at

[1:45:14] Trustee Luckham: the moment we have Helen Chiladay is still active on the list with a hand up and I also have 5205

[1:45:21] Trustee Luckham: that would appear to be active and now 5205 you have the floor if you can introduce yourself I

[1:45:32] Voice 56: Yes. Okay. Thank you. I've got two computers here. Sorry. The echo.

[1:45:39] Trustee Luckham: If you could

[1:45:40] Voice 56: mute the computer,

[1:45:41] Trustee Luckham: that would be helpful.

[1:45:44] Voice 56: Yeah. There. Okay. It's Jim Allen, Salt Spring Island.

[1:45:49] Voice 56: Hello, Jim.

[1:45:51] Voice 56: Good evening. Thank you very much for having us on board here for this discussion.

[1:45:56] Voice 56: uh i'm um i guess i'd like to dislodge my uh position and that is uh uh to follow along with

[1:46:05] Voice 56: a number of people it seems tonight that would like to see this uh this process delayed uh and

[1:46:12] Voice 56: it's certainly not because i have i dispute any climate change issues or or certainly acknowledge

[1:46:18] Voice 56: of any first nation uh issues in the reconciliation process uh but i think it's more for me it's the

[1:46:26] Voice 56: It's the process and having people involved in the process.

[1:46:30] Voice 56: And so I'm not going to, I think the people that have spoken for slowing the process down a little bit

[1:46:37] Voice 56: to, I think, get more involvement from more people.

[1:46:42] Voice 56: I think many of them, whether it's desalination or the agricultural side,

[1:46:47] Voice 56: they've spoken well on a number of these things in the docs.

[1:46:49] Voice 56: So I'm not going to focus on anything in particular.

[1:46:51] Voice 56: I'd just like to make my point, or I'd like to support the slowdown issue, or slowdown position.

[1:47:00] Voice 56: And I guess I follow what you said in the beginning, Peter, in quotes.

[1:47:05] Voice 56: You said there is no rush when you were discussing this process.

[1:47:11] Voice 56: And the fact that, so no rush, okay, thank you very much for mentioning it, putting it that way.

[1:47:16] Voice 56: And it's also the fact that we've been working on this, or you've been working on this with your other people, your other trustees, et cetera, for three years, or for 18 months, excuse me.

[1:47:25] Voice 56: And it's supposed to be a three-year process, and we're already at stage five of seven stages.

[1:47:33] Voice 56: I commend the people that have responded tonight that seem to have been involved with this for ages.

[1:47:39] Voice 56: I mean, people that are phoning in and say they know all about it, and they think there's been a lot of public involvement.

[1:47:45] Voice 56: However, I think one of the fellows said that it must have been one of the meetings or a survey that there was 2.1% of people filled in the survey or got involved in whatever it was.

[1:47:57] Voice 56: And I think citing whether there's 130 or 40 people as attendees tonight, I would think 130 or 40 attendees on an issue like this with so many big statements and big moves, that's very little public involvement.

[1:48:13] Voice 56: involvement which either means complete apathy or people just don't know about it and I think

[1:48:20] Voice 56: that's maybe something the the trustees should take to heart if you can only raise that many

[1:48:26] Voice 56: people I understand the problems with with the zoom calls and and all the rest of it but still

[1:48:32] Voice 56: that that's an incredibly low number thank

[1:48:36] Trustee Luckham: you Jim

[1:48:37] Trustee Luckham: your two minutes has expired I'm afraid

[1:48:41] Voice 56: Okay, I'll expire now. Thank you.

[1:48:43] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you then. I'm going to try going back to Helen Schilladay, who I see a microphone there that would appear that you're unmuted. Helen Schilladay, can you hear us? And you have the floor for two minutes if you can.

[1:49:01] Trustee Luckham: can well i give uh helen shilliday a moment i just want to acknowledge that um that trustee

[1:49:11] Trustee Luckham: mcconkey has managed to join us on uh um on a found data coverage link of some kind and so

[1:49:18] Trustee Luckham: thank you thank

[1:49:20] Voice 36: you chair luck i'm listening in from a far place on the road somewhere

[1:49:26] Trustee Luckham: oh thank helen that's great thank you i can hear you now

[1:49:30] Trustee Luckham: Well, we could. Well, that's interesting. Okay. I'm going to have to continue to try and respect the time that we have here. It's 818. Just acknowledge that we've been here over an hour with the public.

[1:49:58] Trustee Luckham: and I know that this is difficult although this is short by comparison to many local trust committee

[1:50:04] Trustee Luckham: meetings it is tiring and difficult for some to sit for so long in front of their computer so

[1:50:09] Trustee Luckham: please bear with us as we continue to work through the speakers list. Helen one last time I will try

[1:50:16] Trustee Luckham: to come back to you so you're just unmuted and now you're back live must be a microphone issue

[1:50:24] Trustee Luckham: all right I'm gonna go down to Sandra oh Helen I heard something can you hear me I can hear you

[1:50:36] Trustee Luckham: that's fantastic thank you good

[1:50:38] Voice 54: that's brilliant thank goodness for that that's why I was meeting

[1:50:42] Voice 54: and unmuting and thank you very much so um my issue here is with process and with community

[1:50:50] Voice 54: engagement. I received your kind letter through my postbox yesterday and I just want to point

[1:50:59] Voice 54: out that it does say that in one place that the engagement has been going on for 18 months

[1:51:05] Voice 54: and then in another it says that this is just the beginning. I think I want to point out

[1:51:10] Voice 54: that that kind of contradiction is one of the things that's causing confusion and making

[1:51:16] Voice 54: people worried. With regards to the number of people that have managed to be engaged so far,

[1:51:23] Voice 54: it is minuscule. I'm an educator, and if I was to tell my principal and my parents

[1:51:30] Voice 54: that only two children in my class of 30 understood a topic, and so it was fine for me to go ahead and

[1:51:36] Voice 54: move on to the next one, I'd rightly be deeply criticized. It would be my job as that leader,

[1:51:42] Voice 54: as that educator to ensure that my pupils understood to reach them all and

[1:51:48] Voice 54: I think that that's also the trust's responsibility while there is a level of

[1:51:54] Voice 54: personal responsibility we're the ones that need to make that outreach happen I

[1:52:00] Voice 54: think that the way it's been done so far clearly has been ineffective it's been

[1:52:04] Voice 54: patchy it hasn't satisfied the expectation of the effort or the results

[1:52:08] Voice 54: that should um that this process deserves that this document deserves and i think it's been

[1:52:14] Voice 54: discriminatory to people who have english as a second language people who have disabilities um

[1:52:19] Voice 54: people who uh through covid have had massively increased issues in their personal and work lives

[1:52:26] Voice 54: and that doesn't seem to have been really taken into account during this consultation process at

[1:52:31] Voice 54: at all. I really think that this first reading ought to be delayed while communities are engaged

[1:52:40] Voice 54: properly and actually have time to talk this through because just reading this document it's

[1:52:46] Voice 54: very weighty, it's very difficult, it's very dense. That is just not enough for some people. They will

[1:52:53] Voice 54: not understand the import or the content to the level of their own personal lives and how it's

[1:53:00] Voice 54: going to affect them and i think it's vital that that happens and that question period needs time

[1:53:06] Voice 54: a lot of time and it needs in-person engagement so now restrictions are down i would like to see that

[1:53:14] Voice 54: meetings held in person on islands thank

[1:53:17] Trustee Luckham: you helen um i'm going to now go to the next speaker

[1:53:23] Trustee Luckham: which would be Sandra Treetech.

[1:53:27] Trustee Luckham: And then Jacinthe, I see that your hand is up again,

[1:53:30] Trustee Luckham: but I do want to allow first speakers to speak first.

[1:53:33] Trustee Luckham: So DG Courtney is after Sandra Treetech.

[1:53:49] Voice 46: Hello?

[1:53:54] Voice 46: Hello?

[1:53:55] Trustee Luckham: Yes,

[1:53:55] Voice 43: I can hear you.

[1:53:57] Voice 43: Hi, this is Sandra Treedeck calling

[1:53:59] Voice 43: from North Pender Island.

[1:54:01] Voice 43: Hello Sandra.

[1:54:02] Voice 43: Hi there.

[1:54:03] Voice 43: So I'm relatively new to the islands

[1:54:05] Voice 43: as uh during covid i'm sure a lot of people are um i was aware of the island's 2050 process um i

[1:54:15] Voice 43: i did participate in the survey earlier this year but i was uh kind of surprised when i actually

[1:54:22] Voice 43: read the draft policy statement um about the some of the changes that weren't like the survey did

[1:54:31] Voice 43: not prepare me to expect many of the changes that I saw in the finalized draft policy statement

[1:54:40] Voice 43: and I know there was we received a mail out just this week from chair luckham islands trust

[1:54:48] Voice 43: and I'm curious to know why there wasn't an earlier mail out to all of the land owners

[1:54:57] Voice 43: and residents of the trust area to inform them and engage people earlier I mean everything was

[1:55:04] Voice 43: from what I understand done through advertisements and news releases and that sort of thing so I mean

[1:55:12] Voice 43: the people who are most directly going to be affected by the policy statement are the residents

[1:55:18] Voice 43: and landowners here and we should have had more attempts made to approach us in to engage us in

[1:55:28] Voice 43: the process these pros these changes will affect many people's livelihoods and daily lives and

[1:55:33] Voice 43: i just want to encourage the trust to delay first reading and give time for community engagement

[1:55:42] Voice 43: thank you thank

[1:55:44] Trustee Luckham: you very much um i got dg courtney next followed by dale henning hi

[1:55:57] Voice 36: peter can you

[1:55:58] Voice 36: hear me it's david courtney

[1:55:59] Trustee Luckham: yes uh

[1:56:01] Voice 36: thank you very much for coming out tonight and and all the

[1:56:04] Voice 36: trustees all 22 um i'm salt spring island um i think what i'm hearing tonight the people on

[1:56:11] Voice 36: Gabriella and Galeano seem to be a lot more apprised about the issues than here on Salt

[1:56:18] Voice 36: Spring. Most of the people that have talked here tonight on behalf of the people of Salt Spring

[1:56:24] Voice 36: have stated that the process, while it's been there, nobody has been really apprised. And

[1:56:33] Voice 36: in my case, something showed up in my mailbox, right? And I don't know how it got in my mailbox,

[1:56:40] Voice 36: box but it was in my mailbox about three weeks ago and so I really just got apprised that the

[1:56:46] Voice 36: issue is about three weeks ago maybe that's my problem because I'm not paying attention but I

[1:56:52] Voice 36: am concerned and I've talked about well I've written both Peter and Patrick or Laura and

[1:57:00] Voice 36: they're amazing they are great trustees on behalf of the Salt Spring people and I'm concerned I'm

[1:57:08] Voice 36: concerned of the weight of the document you've got everything in this proposal and what I would

[1:57:16] Voice 36: like to see you tomorrow is basically hold off on voting on your first draft take your first draft

[1:57:24] Voice 36: and pare it down to things that are really important and things try to decide what's

[1:57:31] Voice 36: really important and what's a nice thing to have there's way too much in this document

[1:57:36] Voice 36: And just to give you an example, in Salt Spring, we're not incorporated.

[1:57:43] Voice 36: We've been basically talking about a fire hall for the better part of 10 years, and we're still not there.

[1:57:50] Voice 36: An issue like a laundromat, every community has a laundromat.

[1:57:54] Voice 36: We're just reestablishing a laundromat after five years.

[1:57:59] Voice 36: And you're talking about issues as great as climate change, Indigenous peoples, housing.

[1:58:07] Voice 36: These are huge issues.

[1:58:09] Voice 36: And what I'm encouraging for the folks, get back to the preserve and protect and focus on the issues that are important to people and that you can do.

[1:58:21] Voice 36: Because there's so many cross jurisdictions in your proposals here.

[1:58:25] Voice 36: We have a federal government.

[1:58:27] Voice 36: We have a provincial government.

[1:58:28] Voice 36: We have an MPP.

[1:58:31] Voice 36: So,

[1:58:31] Trustee Luckham: David, I'm afraid that your two minutes is up.

[1:58:34] Trustee Luckham: I apologize for that.

[1:58:36] Voice 36: Thank you for allowing me to talk.

[1:58:38] Voice 36: Appreciate it.

[1:58:39] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you for being here.

[1:58:42] Trustee Luckham: Dale Henning and Tom Hennessy are my next two speakers.

[1:58:47] Voice 19: Good evening.

[1:58:47] Voice 19: Can you hear me?

[1:58:48] Voice 19: Yes.

[1:58:49] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:58:50] Voice 19: The comments and opinions expressed are my own and are provided as permitted by the Canadian

[1:58:54] Voice 19: Constitution granting me the right of freedom of speech and opinion in relation to the Islands

[1:59:00] Voice 19: Trust new policy statement of June 25, 2021. To support my comments and opinions, I have read

[1:59:08] Voice 19: other public documents and may quote from them. Peter Luckin, Chair, Islands Trust Council's

[1:59:15] Voice 19: comments regarding the information session added to a news release have been considered

[1:59:21] Voice 19: considered condescending and demonstrate a bias against constituents of the island's trust

[1:59:26] Voice 19: and also viewed as demeaning. His statements are felt to have violated his role and lends

[1:59:33] Voice 19: little credibility as a neutral chair. Honorable Pat McCarney, senator retired from Saturna Island,

[1:59:40] Voice 19: wrote, states that the current document is deeply flawed and lacks meaningful public consultation

[1:59:47] Voice 19: has created a mistrust of the island's trust to the point where it is not ready for first reading

[1:59:53] Voice 19: and should be drawn. It should be noted that when speaking of First Nations and Indigenous people

[2:00:00] Voice 19: The word count on the document, indigenous 72 times, non-indigenous zero times.

[2:00:05] Voice 19: First Nations 55 times, ways of knowing 16 times, indigenous knowledge holders seven times.

[2:00:12] Voice 19: There's no definitions to permit an understanding of this.

[2:00:16] Voice 19: Item 6.2.8, foster safe, secure, and affordable housing for indigenous people.

[2:00:23] Voice 19: I like that.

[2:00:24] Voice 19: That's great.

[2:00:24] Voice 19: However, there's no mention of the same for non-indigenous people,

[2:00:28] Voice 19: people, which is a clear bias against non-Indigenous people and rules out support for seniors that

[2:00:33] Voice 19: may require other housing.

[2:00:40] Voice 19: In conclusion, keeping in with my two minutes, many have commented that the island stress

[2:00:47] Voice 19: has outlived its usefulness and it should be disbanded.

[2:00:50] Voice 19: I support that.

[2:00:51] Voice 19: Other people have said that Chair Leckham and Chair Patrick suggest that it is in the

[2:00:56] Voice 19: the best interest of the island's trust to submit and accept their resignations. And in conclusion,

[2:01:02] Voice 19: I say, using both languages of Canada's official languages, thank you very much. Merci beaucoup.

[2:01:10] Voice 19: Thank

[2:01:10] Trustee Luckham: you very much, sir. Tom Hennessy, our next speaker, and then I have a couple of people that

[2:01:18] Trustee Luckham: have had their opportunity already, and I'm going to then go to Shara Wilson, Coast Salish Peoples

[2:01:24] Trustee Luckham: of Galeano Island is the speaker to follow, Tom Hennessey.

[2:01:29] Trustee Luckham: Okay,

[2:01:30] Voice 25: can you hear me?

[2:01:30] Trustee Luckham: We can,

[2:01:31] Voice 25: sir. Thank you.

[2:01:32] Voice 25: Good. Thank you very much.

[2:01:34] Voice 25: Tom Hennessey from Galeano.

[2:01:35] Voice 25: I'm a 50-year resident of Galeano

[2:01:38] Voice 25: and have been a strong supporter of the Islands Trust from day one.

[2:01:43] Voice 25: The two issues I'd like to discuss mostly here

[2:01:47] Voice 25: is the mandate and the process.

[2:01:50] Voice 25: process. When the Islands Trust was first formed, their mandate was to preserve and protect.

[2:01:58] Voice 25: And of course, everybody gets behind that. It's a great idea. And then I think the trust

[2:02:04] Voice 25: realized that they were not considering the people who are living here well enough. So they

[2:02:10] Voice 25: changed their mandate from preserve and protect to protecting communities, culture, and the

[2:02:16] Voice 25: the environment well that sounded pretty good I was very much in favor of that and then recently

[2:02:23] Voice 25: understand there's been another change and I may not have this exactly right but it's something

[2:02:28] Voice 25: like protecting communities first nations and affordable housing well that's also good but

[2:02:34] Voice 25: you know what it shows me is that the trust really is is um conflicted in what they're

[2:02:43] Voice 25: really supposed to be doing. And so I must say that I only got this Islands 2050 in the mail

[2:02:52] Voice 25: today and I've only had a chance to read over it twice. But so I've made a few notes here and I

[2:03:00] Voice 25: hope they're clear. First of all, I really don't think we should go to first reading on this. I

[2:03:08] Voice 25: think that if you take the number of people in the in the islands, and I don't know how many

[2:03:13] Voice 25: thousands there are. And if there's 131 or 100 people listening, that comes out to maybe

[2:03:20] Voice 25: five people per trust area, which is not really representative. I think that the process

[2:03:30] Voice 25: really is going off the rails here. I think that it's really nice for the trustees

[2:03:36] Voice 25: trustees to not have to come to islands and attend meetings, ride on the ferry, and they just have to

[2:03:43] Voice 25: turn on their computer. But this is not a democratic process. Islanders are used to going to their

[2:03:50] Voice 25: community hall and listening and commenting, and maybe more than once. I think that the selection

[2:03:58] Voice 25: process of who gets to speak, I know you're doing this in order, but I'm supposing that everybody,

[2:04:05] Voice 25: Well, maybe everybody's going to get a chance to speak here, but these people, a lot of them are not digitally literate.

[2:04:12] Voice 25: A lot of people won't read everything and they won't learn how to participate in this system.

[2:04:19] Voice 25: So I really think we need to go back to in-person meetings.

[2:04:23] Voice 25: Okay.

[2:04:24] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Tom.

[2:04:26] Trustee Luckham: I let you run on a bit there because you were making an important point.

[2:04:30] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[2:04:31] Voice 25: you very much.

[2:04:32] Trustee Luckham: So

[2:04:32] Voice 25: thank you, sir,

[2:04:33] Trustee Luckham: for that.

[2:04:35] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to note now, it looks like I've just been notified that power has been reconnected to most of the Southern Gulf Islands that were affected by the line cut.

[2:04:43] Trustee Luckham: So I don't know what that means by most, but certainly it would be wonderful if there was an opportunity for those that haven't spoken from those islands that didn't have power.

[2:04:53] Trustee Luckham: Unfortunately, there's no way for me to identify you directly.

[2:04:59] Trustee Luckham: And so I would be very pleased to hear from you.

[2:05:03] Trustee Luckham: So let's keep rolling here. We're at 833. I think I said we would go to 915, given that we started late because of the power outage and stuff. So welcome, everybody that has had the opportunity to join us. I think we've had a little over 30 speakers so far, and we've got quite a few more to go here.

[2:05:22] Trustee Luckham: So Char Wilson, Coast Salish People's Galley on our Island is the next speaker. And then that would be followed by Jennifer Margason.

[2:05:34] Voice 18: Hello. Thank you for making space for me today. I'm calling from the Galliano Islands,

[2:05:39] Voice 18: the unceded territories of the Coast Salish peoples of Galliano Island.

[2:05:42] Voice 18: We live on Galliano where our ancestors have worked and lived in harmony with nature since

[2:05:47] Voice 18: time immemorial, but we have a documented nine generations on these islands. So I'm calling,

[2:05:55] Voice 18: speaking to you today because I wanted to address all of you to inform you that we do exist and that

[2:06:00] Voice 18: we are human beings and that we are not invisible. We have informed the Islands Trust of our

[2:06:04] Voice 18: existence on this island and we formed a society so that we may have a voice but that voice has

[2:06:10] Voice 18: been left largely unheard so we would like going forward that you recognize us as a people and just

[2:06:18] Voice 18: as human beings to start off with we understand that you're that you're a you're a authority does

[2:06:25] Voice 18: not extend to reserves and and we uh follow our section 35 rights so um in terms of uh listening

[2:06:36] Voice 18: to us and going forward in a meaningful way i i would like to uh say that you know pipeline has

[2:06:44] Voice 18: uh for huge projects like the pipeline have been have fallen for far less i think that you should

[2:06:51] Voice 18: slow down and listen to the people and understand that what you're talking about is a lot of

[2:06:58] Voice 18: like really big subjects and when you talk about reconciliation with first people please don't use

[2:07:03] Voice 18: us as a way to push anything through meaningful reconciliation means that you actually are

[2:07:08] Voice 18: indigenous and sitting down with us and having lunch with us and having tea with us nobody has

[2:07:14] Voice 18: stopped by our office once even though we've told you that we are their trustee rockefeller

[2:07:19] Voice 18: and we've seen trustee Wolverton two days ago so that is it I haven't seen

[2:07:23] Voice 18: trustee Rogers at our door at all either so I just wanted you to have a little

[2:07:29] Voice 18: respect for our neighbors and let you know that we're here and but our doors

[2:07:34] Voice 18: are always open and we're more than welcome you on our on our beachhead so

[2:07:38] Voice 18: thank you very much oh thank you one thing is like we've never left so thank

[2:07:43] Voice 18: you very much okay

[2:07:46] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much uh for joining us today um char uh wilson um jennifer

[2:07:53] Trustee Luckham: margason is our next speaker and then i'm gonna go down i see a few people that have already spoken

[2:07:59] Trustee Luckham: once john cowick yes

[2:08:05] Voice 52: good evening can you hear me yeah

[2:08:07] Trustee Luckham: thank

[2:08:08] Voice 52: you very much for your work all of you

[2:08:11] Voice 52: I would like to join the last few speakers from my island, Galliano, in asking for a delay of the first reading of this draft policy statement.

[2:08:24] Voice 52: I do believe that this last year and a half of COVID has actually been a great distraction for many people who have had a lot of other things to cope with.

[2:08:34] Voice 52: And I think we're at normal times, perhaps the time and the process that you have put in place and defended would be appropriate, but I think we don't live in normal times.

[2:08:49] Voice 52: And I believe people from the communication that I've seen on various social media sites, there's a great deal of education and information that has yet to be provided to the people.

[2:09:03] Voice 52: I am a strong supporter of the trust, but I'm a strong supporter of the trust as it could be, not as I have observed it currently is.

[2:09:13] Voice 52: I'd like to refer you to to part of the draft 2.0 that states talks about the establishment

[2:09:22] Voice 52: of the trust resulted from Gulf Islands residents expressing widespread concern that the area's

[2:09:30] Voice 52: highly valued and fragile environment could be irreversibly damaged by unrestrained and

[2:09:36] Voice 52: development. And so the trust was created as a special purpose government with a conservation

[2:09:43] Voice 52: oriented responsibility. And the draft goes on to talk about the importance of fostering more

[2:09:52] Voice 52: precautionary and adaptive approaches to decision making. I can only say from my experience of the

[2:10:01] Voice 52: the last few years that I have seen little in the way of conservation-oriented responsibility

[2:10:08] Voice 52: and a precautionary approach and an overall concern with the highly valued and fragile

[2:10:16] Voice 52: environment. I have seen, in contrast, what I would characterize as quite a development-centric

[2:10:26] Voice 52: approach where development seems to be driving the agenda and I am very concerned about the

[2:10:33] Voice 52: inclusion of housing in this draft and that is not because I don't recognize that housing

[2:10:39] Voice 52: is an important issue I do and I know it's an important issue on our

[2:10:44] Voice 52: island but I

[2:10:45] Voice 52: just quickly

[2:10:47] Voice 52: finish I'm very concerned that human need may come to dominate the conservation oriented

[2:10:54] Voice 52: oriented responsibility of the trust. Thank you.

[2:10:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. John Cowig and then Sybil Fry,

[2:11:04] Trustee Luckham: I think it is.

[2:11:08] Voice 27: Hello, can you hear me? Yes.

[2:11:10] Voice 27: Yes, thank you. My name is John Cowig. I'm from

[2:11:14] Voice 27: Salt Spring Island. And it's all complicated. And so I respect the position the trustees are in

[2:11:21] Voice 27: different voices with different opinions and you have a very big responsibility and everyone

[2:11:28] Voice 27: respects your original mandate to preserve and protect and so on you're certainly sincere but

[2:11:35] Voice 27: in the 16 years i've lived on salt spring all that i've experienced is that you accomplish your

[2:11:42] Voice 27: mandate mainly by restricting more and more what people can do on the island and particularly what

[2:11:49] Voice 27: they can do with their private property. As you heard tonight from people in the forestry and

[2:11:54] Voice 27: agriculture industry, even what they can do for their livelihood. I recently did a simple lot

[2:11:59] Voice 27: line adjustment. It took two and a half years and $110,000 to get it through the trust.

[2:12:06] Voice 27: And the feeling I've always gotten is that in your ideology and worldview, which I know you're

[2:12:12] Voice 27: sincere about, you treat private property owners as though they are unwelcome party crashers,

[2:12:19] Voice 27: as though they're the the nuisance the bad people that have to be contained but please remember look

[2:12:26] Voice 27: into your hearts private property for most people is all they have it's where we we raise our family

[2:12:32] Voice 27: it's where we can relax from the world it's the only equity most of us have so i don't know if

[2:12:39] Voice 27: you realize that you create a lot of fear in people what are they going to take away next and

[2:12:44] Voice 27: And you're dividing our harmonious islands.

[2:12:47] Voice 27: You know, we're going to be fractured like the U.S.

[2:12:50] Voice 27: So I really implore you to look into your hearts, your good people, but find ways to accomplish your mandate, your mission, that are win-win, that don't take away from the rights and privileges of ownership and living on these beautiful islands.

[2:13:08] Voice 27: So please, please have more heart and consider more people than theory. Thank you.

[2:13:17] Voice 27: Thank you

[2:13:18] Trustee Luckham: very much. Sybil Fry is my next speaker, and then following Sybil will be Toby Elliott.

[2:13:27] Trustee Luckham: Leah.

[2:13:28] Voice 45: Thank you very much. I appreciate a chance to add my input to this discussion. I particularly

[2:13:38] Voice 45: firstly want to express that I'm grateful to be living on the unceded territory of the

[2:13:44] Voice 45: Sineamuk First Nation called Gabriola Island, or known as Gabriola Island, and I really want to

[2:13:51] Voice 45: thank the Trust Council for engaging so many of the First Nations on whose lands we are living.

[2:13:58] Voice 45: and in integrating their cultural heritage and ways of knowing into this draft policy statement

[2:14:04] Voice 45: i know some people are uncertain about that being part of the mandate of the islands trust

[2:14:12] Voice 45: but as a white settler living in canada on unseated territory i think it's all of our

[2:14:18] Voice 45: mandate and therefore the islands trust has to take a role in that so i'm really glad to see

[2:14:23] Voice 45: that deeply integrated into the draft changes and for the same reasons i think looking at how

[2:14:30] Voice 45: climate change and affordable housing can be directly addressed in the policy statement

[2:14:36] Voice 45: is part of what brings the policy statement into the current day we can't leave it at where it was

[2:14:43] Voice 45: yet we need to and i believe that the draft has done to make sure that these issues are brought

[2:14:50] Voice 45: brought forward while being underpinned by careful attention to the environment and sustainability

[2:14:57] Voice 45: within the trust area.

[2:15:00] Voice 45: There will be time, I believe, in the draft of the proposed process for necessary changes.

[2:15:06] Voice 45: I encourage the trust committee, trust council to go to first reading tomorrow and I also

[2:15:13] Voice 45: I also encourage local trustees to hold local in-person meetings as soon as possible after first reading so that we can talk in our own communities face-to-face with our local trust committees, learn more, and look at the things that are really going to be needed to be changed maybe for all islands and certainly for our own specific islands.

[2:15:37] Voice 45: because I know there are, and we all know, and we've heard some tonight, read in letters, et cetera,

[2:15:42] Voice 45: other problems and things that will need to be tweaked. But I really would like to thank the

[2:15:47] Voice 45: Trust Council for this hard work at trying to integrate many different things that we need to

[2:15:54] Voice 45: address in the current day and looking to the future. Thanks very much.

[2:15:59] Voice 45: much thank

[2:16:00] Trustee Luckham: you um civil fry so toby elliott is my next speaker and again recognizing some who've

[2:16:08] Trustee Luckham: spoken before and i'm going to go down to bob cooper on my list and and then elizabeth fitzelen

[2:16:16] Trustee Luckham: and then i see a few others that haven't spoken yet as the list continues go ahead toby thank you

[2:16:24] Voice 22: Thank you, Chair Luckham. Can you hear me okay?

[2:16:26] Voice 22: You

[2:16:26] Trustee Luckham: can hear me, yes.

[2:16:27] Voice 22: Okay, I'm calling in from Gabriela Islands,

[2:16:30] Voice 22: in the name of Conceited Territories.

[2:16:33] Voice 22: I'm just here to encourage everyone, trustees and the public,

[2:16:37] Voice 22: to act with courage in this very difficult time,

[2:16:41] Voice 22: to keep listening to each other and to continue to work collaboratively

[2:16:45] Voice 22: on what is actually a historic document.

[2:16:48] Voice 22: I see a great first draft policy statement here.

[2:16:52] Voice 22: There are policies that are inclusive of every element in our ecosystems, from people to biodiversity, secure and safe housing, protection of land and waters, social equity, conservation of sacred spaces.

[2:17:06] Voice 22: And of course, which is coming out as more and more a primary consideration, our relationships with and commitment to First Nations.

[2:17:16] Voice 22: And I think this is an amazing start.

[2:17:19] Voice 22: none of the priorities or values that have been articulated in this draft policy statement should

[2:17:24] Voice 22: be neglected it's not perfect but it can and should be refined through the next stages of

[2:17:30] Voice 22: public engagement i really encourage trustees to move this draft to first reading so that

[2:17:35] Voice 22: communities can start to grapple with what the terms and ideas can mean in practice for their

[2:17:41] Voice 22: communities we're in a time of immense transition and change many of us and that's myself included

[2:17:47] Voice 22: we are experiencing some fear as we see our islands losing biodiversity and there are

[2:17:53] Voice 22: challenges to access to equitable housing in communities there's a sense of grief and loss

[2:17:58] Voice 22: for the world that is in fact gone and i think we need to accept that no policies of the islands

[2:18:04] Voice 22: trust can ever restore the islands bring back the ancient forests or make them completely immune to

[2:18:10] Voice 22: commercialization so there's a big

[2:18:12] Trustee Luckham: you have used up your two minutes okay

[2:18:14] Voice 22: i'll send in my statement

[2:18:16] Voice 22: thank you so much for your time thank

[2:18:18] Trustee Luckham: you please do send it in that'd be great um now i see bob

[2:18:25] Trustee Luckham: cooper there if you haven't spoken the first time um then please take the floor um it's hard for me

[2:18:32] Trustee Luckham: to remember all the names at this point but bob over to you uh

[2:18:36] Voice 37: can you hear me yes okay thank you

[2:18:40] Voice 37: uh i just want to start off by saying thank you for the opportunity to speak

[2:18:44] Voice 37: week. I appreciate the time slot. I know there's a lot of people lined up. I guess my question

[2:18:52] Voice 37: for everyone listening and for the trust committee is how did we get here? It seems to me that

[2:19:03] Voice 37: we, you know, we have a federal government, we have a provincial government, we have

[2:19:08] Voice 37: regional governments. I understand why the trust was maybe set up, but it seems to me that

[2:19:16] Voice 37: we're asking the trust to tackle issues that, quite frankly, haven't even been able to be

[2:19:24] Voice 37: resolved at way higher levels with way more consultation. I think that government not

[2:19:34] Voice 37: Not fulfilling its mandate isn't a reason to then produce other levels of government.

[2:19:42] Voice 37: And I honestly believe that what we have is a group of people who are working very hard on issues that are much bigger than the trust.

[2:19:53] Voice 37: I think that it may be time, and this is probably not a popular thing to say, but it may be time for the trust to not exist.

[2:20:01] Voice 37: I think it's time for the governments that exist already to step up and take their place and to tackle the issues in front of them.

[2:20:10] Voice 37: We seem to be spending a lot of time and energy trying to answer and trying to maybe push back on issues that are, quite frankly, frustrating.

[2:20:27] Voice 37: trading i've been on the island on pender island for 15 years and it seems to me that the the trust

[2:20:33] Voice 37: mandate has expanded and expanded and expanded i've been told that i have to go to the island's

[2:20:41] Voice 37: trust now for things

[2:20:42] Voice 37: like property line and setbacks and i'm trying to understand how we

[2:20:48] Voice 37: went how we got here we have a crd we have a provincial government we had a federal we have

[2:20:55] Voice 37: have a federal government.

[2:20:57] Trustee Luckham: Do we really need her?

[2:20:59] Trustee Luckham: Your time has also expired here. Thank you very

[2:21:03] Voice 50: much.

[2:21:03] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you for your words today. The next speaker would be Elizabeth Fitzseland,

[2:21:12] Trustee Luckham: and following Elizabeth is 151 Parmenter.

[2:21:18] Voice 8: Hello there. Can you hear me? Yes. Great.

[2:21:22] Voice 8: Great. My name is Elizabeth Salen. I'm here today on Salt Spring Island, and I'm here on behalf

[2:21:31] Voice 8: of Salt Spring Solutions. I'm a volunteer with that grassroots organization here.

[2:21:37] Voice 8: And first, I'd like to really thank all of you for the work that you've been doing

[2:21:41] Voice 8: and the balancing act that you're doing, hearing so many different perspectives and voices and

[2:21:46] Voice 8: values. I know it's a really tough job and I think that you are all here for the best interest of

[2:21:53] Voice 8: your island communities in the region as a whole and I just want to acknowledge that. I was in

[2:22:00] Voice 8: front of you last time I think in September as a delegation from Salt Spring Solutions when we

[2:22:05] Voice 8: expressed concern for the islands 2050 process and the what we heard report that came out at that

[2:22:12] Voice 8: time. Our concern was that there is many parts of the population, especially those

[2:22:18] Voice 8: who are traditionally hard to reach, such as working people, people with children,

[2:22:24] Voice 8: youth who are in the younger part of their life, better young adults,

[2:22:29] Voice 8: people with disabilities and so on, that those folks weren't adequately consulted

[2:22:33] Voice 8: despite attempts perhaps to have an inclusive process, it didn't actually

[2:22:38] Voice 8: reach those people and so I would like to encourage the Islands Trust that

[2:22:45] Voice 8: rather it goes to first reading tomorrow or not but to really look at your

[2:22:49] Voice 8: consultation approach and to consider hiring a third party with expertise in

[2:22:55] Voice 8: consultation to really look to create an inclusive and equitable process so that

[2:23:01] Voice 8: you can reach the hard to reach and bring in more voices so that you

[2:23:06] Voice 8: really get the diversity that's on this island represented in these decisions. I would also

[2:23:11] Voice 8: counsel that policy is really dry, it's really dry for people who aren't in it day in and day out,

[2:23:17] Voice 8: and to really look at the language you use that might be more engaging than, you know, policy

[2:23:22] Voice 8: review statement might make a lot of people's eyes gloss over. I'd like to echo many of the voices

[2:23:28] Voice 8: we've already spoken, where I think that it is behooven on the Islands Trust to look at all the

[2:23:35] Voice 8: the issues and I think that the draft policy statement the latest draft begins to do that

[2:23:40] Voice 8: but you really look at all all of our issues and values on the island and and look to ways that we

[2:23:47] Voice 8: can plan these things integrative in an integrative manner across the region here on salt spring um

[2:23:54] Voice 8: we're hearing a lot of that community versus environment um false dialogue

[2:24:00] Voice 8: dialogue. Elizabeth,

[2:24:03] Trustee Luckham: your time has also expired. I apologize. Thank

[2:24:07] Voice 15: you very much.

[2:24:08] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you

[2:24:09] Trustee Luckham: very much for joining us today. Now, 151 Parmenter, perhaps you could introduce yourself there. And

[2:24:15] Trustee Luckham: the next speaker will be the phone number that ends with 0942 after 151 Parmenter. Go ahead.

[2:24:24] Voice 51: Oh, yes. This is Flavia Foggiato. I don't know how it came up to be 151 Parmenter,

[2:24:30] Voice 51: but I've already spoken tonight. I'm glad to hold and wait for my turn again.

[2:24:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Well, thank you very much for that. And I will go on to other speakers. Thank you very much.

[2:24:45] Trustee Luckham: The next speaker then is the number 0942. So I apologize. I think you tried to get in earlier.

[2:24:55] Trustee Luckham: so I'm glad that you've come back and I see that you've unmuted and so you have the floor please

[2:25:08] Trustee Luckham: yeah that doesn't seem to be successful again okay I uh there's so many more people to speak and

[2:25:20] Trustee Luckham: uh quite honestly I think we've got about 20 can

[2:25:23] Voice 13: you hear me

[2:25:24] Trustee Luckham: oh excellent thank you we can now

[2:25:27] Trustee Luckham: Now,

[2:25:27] Voice 13: my name is Michael Sketch. I'm on North Pender Island.

[2:25:33] Voice 13: Counselors, I'll use TPS for council's trust policy statement bylaw.

[2:25:38] Voice 13: The gist of my constructive criticism of TPS structure is that both the current 2003 bylaw and its 2021 draft revision bylaw fail to implement.

[2:25:52] Voice 13: that is to carry out the object of the trust within the bylaw. At least the draft TPS bylaw

[2:26:00] Voice 13: acknowledges that policy implementation is subject to a separate council implementation policy.

[2:26:07] Voice 13: That implementation policy is flexible. Out of bylaw, flexible implementation doesn't make

[2:26:14] Voice 13: for secure preserve and protect. I don't think the significance is appreciated. I'll use an

[2:26:20] Voice 13: analogy to explain. Consider the essential preserve and protect policies as a car engine.

[2:26:27] Voice 13: The rear wheel transfers policy power to the road. Then imagine a salesman demonstrating the 2003

[2:26:35] Voice 13: model of Islands Trust car. The public swarms the car with attention to headlights, fenders,

[2:26:42] Voice 13: and tinted windows. The salesman waits, then explains that this is a demonstration model.

[2:26:48] Voice 13: It has no driveshaft. You can order a driveshaft, but delivery is estimated for 2022.

[2:26:57] Voice 13: Without effective implementation within the bylaw, the TPS has no driveshaft for preservation and protection in local trust areas.

[2:27:06] Voice 13: Indeed, who would knowingly buy a car without a driveshaft?

[2:27:11] Voice 13: Please refuse first reading to the draft TPS bylaw and wait for the driveshaft.

[2:27:18] Voice 13: In anticipation, thank you for your attention to the structure and content

[2:27:23] Voice 13: of my draft TPS by-law in your deliberations tomorrow. Thank you.

[2:27:29] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Mr. Skagg. The next speaker on my list I believe is Michael Cohen

[2:27:37] Trustee Luckham: and then followed by David Dunison.

[2:27:42] Voice 34: Hello. My name is Michael Cohen.

[2:27:45] Voice 34: I'm on North Pander Island. I'm assuming you can all hear me?

[2:27:47] Voice 34: Yes. Okay.

[2:27:49] Voice 34: Okay, so I don't expect the trust to be all things to all people, but I do expect it to be inclusive.

[2:27:55] Voice 34: And this process is not inclusive.

[2:27:58] Voice 34: The fact that people are getting mail outs yesterday and today about meetings that are happening today and tomorrow is a perfect example of how uninclusive it is right now.

[2:28:10] Voice 34: There's too much at stake.

[2:28:11] Voice 34: These are complex issues and involve extensive systems change.

[2:28:15] Voice 34: I am respectfully requesting that tomorrow you stop the process and that a comprehensive and inclusive public engagement should happen and that you should move forward with that.

[2:28:29] Voice 34: I encourage you to read Pat Carney's letter in greater detail, and I propose that you withdraw the proposed policy document and cancel the first reading.

[2:28:41] Voice 34: And I also really want to express my displeasure at all of you right now.

[2:28:45] Voice 34: pender island is still without power both pender islands there were other islands without power

[2:28:49] Voice 34: over 10 of your population was unable to participate tonight express any opinions

[2:28:54] Voice 34: and yet you continued with the meeting and quite frankly i'm disgusted by that that's not a

[2:29:00] Voice 34: democratic process especially when you're saying that this is something that doesn't need to be

[2:29:04] Voice 34: rushed forward yet you're rushing this forward so i'd really like you to reflect on that for a bit

[2:29:10] Voice 34: because you're not being respectful to your constituents you're not being respectful to

[2:29:14] Voice 34: the residents who live here. Thank you very much.

[2:29:20] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, sir. David Dennison,

[2:29:24] Trustee Luckham: followed by Maxine Leichter.

[2:29:32] Voice 16: Can you hear me? Yes.

[2:29:35] Voice 16: Oh, yes. Okay. Thank you very much.

[2:29:37] Voice 16: Appreciate the opportunity to speak here. I was wondering how I was going to unmute myself,

[2:29:41] Voice 16: but it wonderfully popped up on my screen. I'd like to echo the statements of a number of folks.

[2:29:51] Voice 16: I appreciated very much Michael's point about no driveshaft and Michael Sketch and then Michael Cohen's suggestion.

[2:30:00] Voice 16: that I think most forcefully expressed thus far

[2:30:04] Voice 16: to cancel the first reading

[2:30:07] Voice 16: and move to a strong public engagement process.

[2:30:12] Voice 16: I'm confused by the proposed policy in a number of ways.

[2:30:19] Voice 16: And there does appear to be distinct overreach

[2:30:23] Voice 16: and particularly with how affordable housing may not be addressed actually by the enactment of

[2:30:31] Voice 16: this policy. The restriction on docks and wharves where we're all islands and that just seems

[2:30:38] Voice 16: complete counterintuitive. The points were made on desalification were very well found

[2:30:48] Voice 16: particularly on cost. I've spent the last number of decades in the solar PV industry, and I'm not

[2:30:57] Voice 16: selling but explaining, but I think I can offer myself as an expert in this area where

[2:31:06] Voice 16: globally the cost of PV solar is probably one-tenth to one-twentieth what we're going

[2:31:13] Voice 16: to see out of Site C. It can be deployed at a scale on any of the islands that the islands

[2:31:18] Voice 16: could more than adequately leverage, and desalification technology itself has been

[2:31:26] Voice 16: advancing rapidly, including some homegrown companies in Vancouver. So I don't know why

[2:31:32] Voice 16: we would completely strike these things off when, you know, if we go back to JFK and has put a man

[2:31:38] Voice 16: on the moon in 10 years, solutions to these already exist. We don't even need 10 years to

[2:31:45] Voice 16: figure it out. But I guess to really drive my point home or my concern home, I read with interest

[2:31:54] Voice 16: Lee Middleton's letter to the Driftwood. Sir,

[2:31:57] Trustee Luckham: I think that your time has expired at two minutes

[2:32:00] Trustee Luckham: and so I apologize for that. I need to move on to the next speaker. Maxine Leichter and then Ryan

[2:32:08] Trustee Luckham: Hello.

[2:32:12] Voice 15: I'm from Salt Spring.

[2:32:14] Voice 15: My voice is poor, so I'll be brief.

[2:32:18] Voice 15: Please delay giving first reading.

[2:32:22] Voice 15: But regardless, please consult with the public

[2:32:26] Voice 15: on how public outreach is conducted.

[2:32:31] Voice 15: There should be a venue where people can speak without

[2:32:35] Voice 15: their time being limited, where they can have an

[2:32:39] Voice 15: in exchange with trustees and staff,

[2:32:42] Voice 15: get their questions answered, clarify misunderstandings,

[2:32:48] Voice 15: so everyone leaves the meeting

[2:32:51] Voice 15: with an accurate understanding

[2:32:53] Voice 15: of what the trust statement does and does not do.

[2:33:02] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:33:03] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for joining us today, Maxine Leichter.

[2:33:08] Trustee Luckham: The next speaker is Ryan O'Donnell.

[2:33:12] Trustee Luckham: over to you hi

[2:33:16] Voice 28: there uh yeah it's ryan o'donnell uh seventh generation documented born on salt

[2:33:22] Voice 28: spring island uh i it seems to be a reoccurring thing with uh my friends and family on galliano

[2:33:31] Voice 28: and salt spring and maine uh they they haven't been talked to indigenous people on those islands

[2:33:40] Voice 28: haven't been talked to uh so it seems like a lot of lip service when you guys say that you have

[2:33:47] Voice 28: consulted us because we're not consulted um i'd like to like i'm i'm a young man here uh i'd like

[2:33:57] Voice 28: to be able to live here work here uh continue raise a family as i have for generations or my

[2:34:03] Voice 28: family has for generations i have no problem finding a job working on a seven million dollar

[2:34:10] Voice 28: house but i can't build a cabin i can't you guys stop any anything like that for me and my family

[2:34:19] Voice 28: uh when it comes down to uh industry and forestry and fishing i think that it needs to be recognized

[2:34:29] Voice 28: that under section 35 of the canadian charter rights uh indigenous people have first claim

[2:34:37] Voice 28: on those industries and and we need to be able to continue our our lives if you guys are going

[2:34:47] Voice 28: to say you're protecting the islands you should be protecting the families that have been here

[2:34:52] Voice 28: for generations i i'd like to question whether there's anybody that's indigenous on on on the

[2:35:02] Voice 28: Islands Trust I don't I don't I don't know it just all this seems like a lot of lip service

[2:35:08] Voice 28: in my mind that's all I have to say okay

[2:35:13] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much for your words I appreciate that

[2:35:16] Trustee Luckham: um the next speaker um is uh Alison Marr and then followed Alison will be Juanita Evans

[2:35:32] Voice 40: Good evening. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to speak. I have a long history of a grandparent owning property on Salt Spring, my parents owning property for a long, long time on Gabriola. And now I'm a resident of Salt Spring of the last 11 years. I'm a private property owner and business owner on Salt Spring.

[2:35:52] Voice 40: I am proud to be part of this community and contribute what I can as an employer of people

[2:35:58] Voice 40: that live and require a livelihood on these islands. I also have a great respect for the

[2:36:05] Voice 40: environment and the very special and diverse ecosystems that we live with and appreciate

[2:36:12] Voice 40: and try to protect on these islands. What I want to say tonight is I think we all have a very hard

[2:36:18] Voice 40: and long task ahead of us to try to listen to all these voices and to communicate together

[2:36:24] Voice 40: to try to form a plan where the Islands Trust is not the enemy, where the public do not feel like

[2:36:32] Voice 40: they're being marginalized and put at risk, as you've heard many people speaking of their

[2:36:38] Voice 40: Indigenous background and their concerns. I think we're all concerned. I believe the trustees are

[2:36:44] Voice 40: concerned, but please respect the fact that us, the members of the public who live here and own

[2:36:49] Voice 40: property and want to enjoy the best of the Salt Spring and the Outer Islands lifestyle while

[2:36:59] Voice 40: respecting it, we need to dialogue, we need to work together. If we don't do that, people,

[2:37:04] Voice 40: this is going to be a very severe failure and we're not going to know a way forward. So please,

[2:37:10] Voice 40: Please, let's all listen to each other.

[2:37:12] Voice 40: Your scope on this trust act is too large and too complex at this time, and I very much

[2:37:18] Voice 40: appreciate if you would please delay the first reading tomorrow.

[2:37:21] Voice 40: Thank you very much.

[2:37:25] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Alison Mars.

[2:37:30] Trustee Luckham: Juanita Evans is my next speaker, and please, the floor is yours.

[2:37:37] Trustee Luckham: words.

[2:37:40] Voice 7: Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. I really appreciate the tremendous

[2:37:45] Voice 7: amount of time and effort that the trustees have committed to this process to date.

[2:37:50] Voice 7: I'm a part-time resident of North Pender Island, and I've been a property owner here for 14 years.

[2:37:55] Voice 7: My husband and I plan to spend much of our time here within the next couple of years upon

[2:37:59] Voice 7: retirement. As a part-time resident, I have not encountered opportunities to engage in any public

[2:38:06] Voice 7: engagement. They contributed to the laying the ground and direction for this updated policy.

[2:38:11] Voice 7: I was not aware of the island's 2050 survey. I became aware of this island's trust draft policy

[2:38:17] Voice 7: and it was recommended for first reading only in the past two weeks. For policy revisions of this

[2:38:23] Voice 7: magnitude and breadth, I believe that a survey should have been circulated by mail that included

[2:38:28] Voice 7: all island residents and property owners prior to presenting a draft policy for first reading.

[2:38:33] Voice 7: I am certainly not suggesting only residents and property owners, but certainly ensuring that every effort was made to ensure they had knowledge of this process and were invited to engage in it.

[2:38:44] Voice 7: I feel that part-time residents have been at a disadvantage in this process.

[2:38:48] Voice 7: Should I assume that the input of property owners who are not part-time residents, who are part-time residents, is not valued?

[2:38:54] Voice 7: We have been discouraged from visiting our property over much of the past 16 months because of COVID, and my husband and I have tried to honour that.

[2:39:02] Voice 7: I can only assume that this is the reason that we seem to have missed opportunities to become aware of and take park in the part in the creation of this document.

[2:39:09] Voice 7: I agree with an earlier speaker who recommends that another two to three months prior to first reading be taken to provide input by those of us who have not had that opportunity so far.

[2:39:20] Voice 7: I'd like to add that I noticed that at least some of those who have spoken this evening feel confident in the draft policy moving to first reading, that they have had the opportunity to be engaged in this process leading to this point.

[2:39:30] Voice 7: Many of us who have not had that opportunity do not have that same confidence and that's request to pause the process to allow us to offer our input and that that input be considered for inclusion in this first draft prior to first reading.

[2:39:43] Voice 7: There's already momentum and the tone has already been set in this draft policy, and yet many of us have not have had the opportunity to contribute to that tone.

[2:39:52] Voice 7: It's been 25 years since the last policy was written.

[2:39:55] Voice 7: Is it not wise,

[2:39:57] Voice 7: especially given the additional complications

[2:39:58] Voice 7: brought about by COVID,

[2:39:59] Voice 7: to take an additional two or three months

[2:40:01] Voice 7: to be inclusive and respectful of those of us

[2:40:03] Voice 7: who want the opportunity to contribute

[2:40:06] Voice 7: to the tone of this first draft?

[2:40:08] Voice 7: I think the trustees would argue

[2:40:10] Voice 7: that there will be plenty of opportunity

[2:40:11] Voice 7: for public engagement after first reading.

[2:40:13] Voice 7: I propose that the tone of the first draft itself

[2:40:16] Voice 7: may have been different

[2:40:17] Voice 7: had more of us had the opportunity to provide input.

[2:40:19] Voice 7: And thus I request the trustees

[2:40:21] Voice 7: Do you delay giving first reading?

[2:40:22] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:40:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you very much, Juanita.

[2:40:28] Trustee Luckham: We are running out of time here.

[2:40:31] Trustee Luckham: We have time for a few more speakers

[2:40:33] Trustee Luckham: and certainly we've had a variety

[2:40:36] Trustee Luckham: of very diverse number of points of view

[2:40:41] Trustee Luckham: and we would like to hear more

[2:40:42] Trustee Luckham: and would just suggest that if you have something new

[2:40:46] Trustee Luckham: to offer that we haven't heard, that would be terrific.

[2:40:49] Trustee Luckham: But if you want to repeat something that has been said, I'm not discouraging you, but it would be great to hear all of the points of view.

[2:40:57] Trustee Luckham: And I do want to continue to acknowledge that a couple of islands without power, North Pender, probably South Pender without power.

[2:41:06] Trustee Luckham: And we're certainly going to consider what opportunities there might be available to provide some inclusion there.

[2:41:13] Trustee Luckham: It's in a long reaching planned processes.

[2:41:16] Trustee Luckham: It's difficult to anticipate power outages

[2:41:19] Trustee Luckham: on top of everything else.

[2:41:20] Trustee Luckham: And I apologize for those that think we should have stopped.

[2:41:25] Trustee Luckham: So the next speaker, sorry, Nema Ghermodi.

[2:41:30] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry if I've pronounced your name wrong.

[2:41:33] Trustee Luckham: And then following Nema will be John Hoff.

[2:41:38] Voice 24: Hello to all the trustees.

[2:41:40] Voice 24: this is a really interesting format and as much as I would like to say that I feel engaged right

[2:41:49] Voice 24: now I don't I am on Salt Spring and I'm passionate about housing and affordable housing being a

[2:41:58] Voice 24: low-income mom working mother family woman also working with community services on Salt Spring

[2:42:05] Voice 24: and I definitely see that we have you know kind of missed the mark here as far as public engagement

[2:42:15] Voice 24: for sure and I think that that's as it's been said that I think that that really needs to be

[2:42:20] Voice 24: taken into consideration but I also want to say how isolating this feels that I feel like I'm all

[2:42:24] Voice 24: looking at you and if this was a true town hall I would be sitting with my community and not having

[2:42:31] Voice 24: that and also having chat disabled i find that this is creating a very um strange um i don't know

[2:42:40] Voice 24: strange energy of how we are you know it's creating more suspicion i think the community

[2:42:46] Voice 24: is feeling more suspicious of the trust because of these ways of engaging so perhaps there are

[2:42:52] Voice 24: ways that moving forward like as soon as possible after delaying first reading hopefully that we

[2:42:57] Voice 24: We can actually move towards some truly, you know, just being more in our integrity with how we connect and how you all connect with all of us to make us feel as though we're a part of this process.

[2:43:12] Voice 24: But I did read through the draft and I see so many great points, but it does feel very dispersed and a little muddled and could definitely be refined.

[2:43:23] Voice 24: So, so I would really ask the trust to, to, to, to back down and recognize all the factors that perhaps have created an opportunity here for you to, to make this change account and, and be a participatory process that doesn't end in, you know, bad feelings and, you know, so, but thank you.

[2:43:50] Voice 24: Okay, thank

[2:43:51] Voice 24: you. Thank you very much.

[2:43:55] Trustee Luckham: We'll be taking all of the input into consideration as we

[2:43:58] Trustee Luckham: move forward. John Hoff is our next speaker, and then following John will be, oh, for some reason

[2:44:09] Trustee Luckham: name has disappeared here. I don't know if that's a loss of connection. Yeah, so Sandy Pottle will

[2:44:19] Trustee Luckham: we'll follow John Hoff. Go ahead, John. Ruth Simons

[2:44:23] Trustee Luckham: actually was next. Ruth Simons is next

[2:44:25] Trustee Luckham: and then Sandy Pottle. So,

[2:44:26] Voice 6: John, go ahead. Can you hear me? Yes, sir.

[2:44:29] Voice 6: Yes. Thank you for

[2:44:31] Voice 6: allowing me to speak. I want to encourage the trust to delay the first reading, mainly due to

[2:44:37] Voice 6: the fact that there has not been sufficient public input to date. Sorry for my weakness in my voice

[2:44:44] Voice 6: because I've just got out of the hospital a couple of days ago. Also due to the fact that

[2:44:51] Voice 6: COVID restrictions over the last year and a half have really eliminated a lot of people

[2:45:00] Voice 6: from putting their voices into this process. The document is much too complex and wordy.

[2:45:07] Voice 6: It needs to be greatly simplified.

[2:45:11] Voice 6: In this case, being the only speaker from Main Island, I want to emphasize the fact that we need the Island Trust.

[2:45:21] Voice 6: The Island Trust role is extremely important in order to protect the natural environment of these unique islands.

[2:45:31] Voice 6: I believe if the trust over-complicates this process and brings too many policy issues into the realm of what they're supposed to be doing, they put themselves in a situation of conflict.

[2:45:47] Voice 6: The issue of protecting and preserving the natural environment and providing sufficient housing, affordable housing for anyone that wants to come here is in absolute conflict.

[2:46:02] Voice 6: And I think in the long term, if you don't back off on some of these new environments or mandates you're trying to get yourself into, you're going to self-destruct.

[2:46:13] Voice 6: Thank you

[2:46:14] Trustee Luckham: very much, John. Now, Ruth Simons was my next speaker here. And I think at this point, close to 9.15, I think will be our last speaker. So, Ruth Simons.

[2:46:34] Voice 31: Sorry, Peter, I don't see Ruth in the list.

[2:46:37] Trustee Luckham: Oh, yeah, she got disconnected or something. For some reason, it shuffled down.

[2:46:44] Voice 31: Got it. Got it.

[2:46:45] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I don't know why that happened.

[2:46:47] Voice 44: Hi, good evening, Trust Council, and I've been listening in, and I don't really have

[2:46:52] Voice 44: anything new to add, but I am calling in from Akatsum, Howe Sound, so I thought it would

[2:46:57] Voice 44: be good for a voice from this part of the region to just support many things we've heard

[2:47:03] Voice 44: about the need, obviously, for more people to engage now that COVID is enabling people

[2:47:12] Voice 44: to get together. I think there's many great ideas for how to try and get people to have attention

[2:47:18] Voice 44: to this opportunity to comment, but I do think that I would encourage you not to delay first

[2:47:27] Voice 44: reading tomorrow. I think there needs to be a reiteration of the understanding that first

[2:47:32] Voice 44: reading actually starts that process for consultation. And so I consulted my grandchildren

[2:47:39] Voice 44: children about how much longer do we think we should be delaying on on these important issues

[2:47:46] Voice 44: and even though they're really too small to understand it I I think of them when in several

[2:47:52] Voice 44: years from now and they'd be wondering what's took us so long so I think first reading the process to

[2:47:59] Voice 44: really begin in earnest and I'd be more than happy to help ensure that people are engaging as much as

[2:48:05] Voice 44: as possible.

[2:48:06] Voice 44: So thank you for your work today.

[2:48:13] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Ruth.

[2:48:16] Trustee Luckham: So council, we've got a number of speakers

[2:48:21] Trustee Luckham: and a number more that want to speak a second time.

[2:48:24] Trustee Luckham: I did commit to concluding at 9.15.

[2:48:27] Trustee Luckham: I think I need to respect the fact that many of you

[2:48:30] Trustee Luckham: have been here for two and a half hours.

[2:48:32] Trustee Luckham: Our staff have been here all evening

[2:48:34] Trustee Luckham: and even members of the public have also been here

[2:48:37] Trustee Luckham: for two more hours and I think there's an expectation that we will respect the time

[2:48:42] Trustee Luckham: that we've committed and so I would like to adjourn this or I would like to close this

[2:48:49] Trustee Luckham: town hall session and we will convene and open our meeting tomorrow. Certainly I am interested

[2:48:59] Trustee Luckham: to hear from trustees about what we might do with respect to those that were disconnected

[2:49:05] Trustee Luckham: connected. And I apologize to those of you that have joined us here and have not had an opportunity

[2:49:16] Trustee Luckham: to speak. We've tried to be fair to try and keep everybody on the right time to be able to hear

[2:49:22] Trustee Luckham: everybody, but we've been unsuccessful in that regard. So please write to us, join us at our

[2:49:30] Trustee Luckham: next opportunity and you can be certain that there is a consultation process coming to your islands

[2:49:36] Trustee Luckham: through your ltc and i too want these meetings to be in person and we are doing what we can

[2:49:43] Trustee Luckham: to get there as we come out of covid um so we've heard a lot today uh and all of what we've heard

[2:49:51] Trustee Luckham: will will be uh considered and included in what way we can as we move forward so thank you very

[2:49:58] Trustee Luckham: very much for the opportunity to hear from you all.

[2:50:02] Trustee Luckham: And trustees, thank you for joining us.

[2:50:04] Trustee Luckham: And so let's close this session

[2:50:08] Trustee Luckham: and we will convene as a council tomorrow

[2:50:14] Trustee Luckham: in a full meeting.

[2:50:19] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, everybody.

[2:50:21] Trustee Luckham: This chat, I'm sorry.

[2:50:27] Trustee Luckham: sorry.

[2:50:34] Voice 50: Yeah, I lost her. Okay.