Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 27, 2021

[0:00:20] Trustee Luckham: Good morning. Just found that I needed a light on. Just wait a moment while people have the

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to join us.

[0:00:33] Voice 7: We are recording and live streaming. Chair, it's yours to lead the meeting.

[0:00:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Rob. Appreciate all the work you do for us. So good morning, everyone. Welcome to the

[0:00:53] Trustee Luckham: Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting of July 27th. I want to start off by

[0:01:02] Trustee Luckham: acknowledging the honor and privilege of living here on the Coast Salish Territory of a

[0:01:13] Trustee Luckham: broad number of First Nations people that have been here since the beginning

[0:01:16] Trustee Luckham: of a time, and it's very fortunate to live in this culturally rich historic place.

[0:01:27] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, there have been some very sad times in the past, and we hope to work towards

[0:01:37] Trustee Luckham: reconciling those issues as time goes on.

[0:01:41] Trustee Luckham: So my thoughts, our thoughts are with all the communities out there in this ongoing period of grieving over the children that are being found across the nation.

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham: And I mean, let us move along.

[0:02:01] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to start with introductions.

[0:02:03] Trustee Luckham: My name is Peter Luckman, the chair of the Sultry Mountain Local Trust Committee, also chair of council.

[0:02:08] Trustee Luckham: I'm elected on Thetis Island in the Laiaks and Penelope territory.

[0:02:12] Trustee Luckham: territory. And really wonderful to be able to live here and call this my home. So we have

[0:02:18] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick with us today. Good morning, Laura. And we have Trustee Grove here this morning,

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham: both locally elected on Salt Spring. Good morning. And we have a contingent of staff with us today.

[0:02:31] Trustee Luckham: Louisa Garbo is our Acting Regional Planning Manager today. Thank you, Louisa, for stepping up.

[0:02:36] Trustee Luckham: We have Rob Pringle, our technology Zoom management. Thank you for your work, Rob.

[0:02:44] Trustee Luckham: We have Christine Mays, planner. We have Geordie Gordon, planner. Jason Yeomans, planner.

[0:02:52] Trustee Luckham: And also there we have Sarah Sugar looking after us with our minutes in the background. Good morning, Sarah.

[0:02:59] Trustee Luckham: So just a couple of remarks at this moment with respect to a safe and respectful

[0:03:10] Trustee Luckham: environment and workplace. As the chair of this committee, I'm committed to ensuring that all

[0:03:15] Trustee Luckham: people who speak at this meeting are treated fairly and respectfully and that language we use

[0:03:19] Trustee Luckham: will reflect that. No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated. We will all take

[0:03:26] Trustee Luckham: responsibility to create a safe, inclusive environment for everyone to participate and

[0:03:30] Trustee Luckham: be respected. Members of this committee may call point of order if a speaker's language is not

[0:03:36] Trustee Luckham: respectful. The chair may mute the speaker and ask that their language be adjusted before continuing.

[0:03:43] Trustee Luckham: Comments that include criticism or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory

[0:03:47] Trustee Luckham: and are not allowed. All comments should be accurate and direct. Thank you for helping

[0:03:53] Trustee Luckham: and helping make this a safe environment

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham: and workplace for everyone.

[0:04:00] Trustee Luckham: With that, we have an agenda before us

[0:04:03] Trustee Luckham: and I'll ask if there's any additions or deletions

[0:04:06] Trustee Luckham: to the agenda from staff or from trustees.

[0:04:10] Trustee Luckham: Nothing from Peter Grove, Laura Patrick, I see your hand up.

[0:04:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sorry, I was tuning out there for a second.

[0:04:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, I was wondering if we could add item 8.3,

[0:04:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a verbal update on the Coastal Douglas

[0:04:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): for an associated ecosystem protection.

[0:04:31] Trustee Luckham: Update Coastal CDF. Okay and so presumably

[0:04:40] Trustee Luckham: Louisa you could assist us in having a staff member available to assist us with

[0:04:45] Trustee Luckham: that. Anything else? Acting Regional Planning Manager Garbo anything else to

[0:04:53] Trustee Luckham: add to the agenda today? No? Okay. So let us then adopt the agenda as amended by

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham: by general consent and let us begin.

[0:05:04] Trustee Luckham: The first item being at 3.11,

[0:05:07] Trustee Luckham: draft minutes of June the 29th,

[0:05:09] Trustee Luckham: South town local trust committee regular meeting

[0:05:11] Trustee Luckham: are here for adoption.

[0:05:13] Trustee Luckham: Are there any changes to those minutes?

[0:05:15] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[0:05:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's my question.

[0:05:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's probably something I didn't see before,

[0:05:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I see like Warren Digman's title is,

[0:05:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's described in the attendees list

[0:05:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then the acronym bcem is added to it um and then the first time it shows up in the minutes

[0:05:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): which is 9.1.1 it just bcem digman it just i'm wondering if the first time it arrives it should

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): be fully spelled it just it looks funny i mean it's not that his name is funny it just it it

[0:05:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): caught me it took me a minute to go what is that and i you know and if i didn't think to go back

[0:05:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and look at the attendees until later i'm wondering if the general public reading it

[0:05:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): gets confused you know doesn't go back and look at the attendees list to see what this bcem so i

[0:06:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): was just going to ask that perhaps at 9.1 it could just be defined what the bcem is and then it can

[0:06:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): be an acronym because it shows up in like the next three sections i think it just helped the

[0:06:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): readability of of the minutes to the general public yeah

[0:06:20] Trustee Luckham: i think that's uh fair um sarah can

[0:06:22] Trustee Luckham: Can you look after that?

[0:06:25] Voice 17: Yes, I can, thank you.

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, anything else in the minutes?

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then let us then adopt the draft minutes

[0:06:36] Trustee Luckham: of June the 29th as amended by general consent.

[0:06:40] Trustee Luckham: So we'll move along through to draft minutes

[0:06:44] Trustee Luckham: of the advisory planning commissions.

[0:06:46] Trustee Luckham: They're here for our information

[0:06:49] Trustee Luckham: and just want to express my gratitude

[0:06:52] Trustee Luckham: to the members, significant number of members

[0:06:55] Trustee Luckham: in your community that have stepped up to be on these task force task forces of the local trust

[0:07:03] Trustee Luckham: committee i want to appreciate that and it certainly appears to be some lively conversations

[0:07:08] Trustee Luckham: of both of those and i'm i'm glad for that so um well if there's unless there's some comments from

[0:07:15] Trustee Luckham: the trustees we'll just receive that 3.31 draft minutes for june 17th um for information all right

[0:07:23] Trustee Luckham: and then also at 3.32 the housing action program task force meeting minutes also received for

[0:07:31] Trustee Luckham: information and we'll be having verbal updates later on today on both of those committees

[0:07:39] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to go now to business arising from the minutes to follow up action list and i'll

[0:07:45] Trustee Luckham: just turn to acting regional planning manager garbo to see if she has any late updates to that

[0:07:51] Trustee Luckham: list otherwise um we'll ask trustees if they have any questions uh

[0:07:57] Voice 16: there is no new update here

[0:07:59] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you so trustees do you have any questions for the acting regional planning

[0:08:04] Trustee Luckham: manager nothing from peter and nothing from trustee patrick thank you trustee grove trustee

[0:08:12] Trustee Luckham: patrick all right then so we'll receive that for information so this moves us on through policies

[0:08:19] Trustee Luckham: season standing resolutions list uh primarily there for information so unless there's any

[0:08:27] Trustee Luckham: remarks or potential changes um i would ask that we receive those information anything different

[0:08:34] Trustee Luckham: than that from trustees no okay so we'll keep moving along then to work program top priorities

[0:08:42] Trustee Luckham: priorities report that's dated July the 21st presuming that we'll be continuing on this

[0:08:51] Trustee Luckham: stream for a bit yet are any questions or remarks on the top priorities list

[0:08:55] Trustee Luckham: no okay thank you and then the projects list any questions on that one trustee Patrick

[0:09:04] Trustee Luckham: I

[0:09:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): was wondering North Pender which I chair was can is considering a soil removal

[0:09:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): removal bylaw and the staff had done a review of all the soil removal bylaws that exist in the

[0:09:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust area and had said that there were a number of recommendations to improve the soil removal

[0:09:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): bylaw for salt spring so I thought we should probably capture that on the project list and

[0:09:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): make reference to you know I think the regional planning manager can probably speak to the

[0:09:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional planning manager for the local for the southern gulf islands to get the details of

[0:09:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): the opportunities to improve the soil removal bylaw but I think we should add that to the list

[0:09:50] Trustee Luckham: I see well that's not unreasonable um trustee grove do you have any thoughts on that thumbs

[0:09:59] Trustee Luckham: up so trustee Patrick you want to make a motion to add uh update soil removal sure

[0:10:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll move that we add a soil removal bylaw uh review and update to the projects list

[0:10:11] Trustee Grove: i'll second that

[0:10:12] Trustee Luckham: seconded by trustee grove uh any discussion i'll

[0:10:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): just add for staff's sake to just

[0:10:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh there's a staff report for the north pender local trust committee recent the

[0:10:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional planning manager kojima can help link you to that report okay

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham: so we'll just let that

[0:10:33] Trustee Luckham: be record recorded in the minutes and the projects report would just have that item listed on it

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: So Sarah, are you, did you manage to capture that?

[0:10:45] Voice 17: For the motion, I have to add a soil removal bylaw review

[0:10:50] Voice 17: and update to the projects list.

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham: Yes, and then just remark in the minutes

[0:10:57] Trustee Luckham: as per North Pender Island Regional Planning Manager reference.

[0:11:04] Voice 17: Okay, I've got that, thank you.

[0:11:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[0:11:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so let us keep going then.

[0:11:11] Trustee Luckham: You

[0:11:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): didn't call the vote,

[0:11:12] Trustee Luckham: sorry, Mr. Chair.

[0:11:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, I'm sorry.

[0:11:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): All

[0:11:14] Trustee Luckham: those in favor?

[0:11:17] Trustee Luckham: And that carries?

[0:11:19] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:11:21] Trustee Luckham: Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[0:11:22] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, let's go to the applications and status report.

[0:11:28] Trustee Luckham: It always is remarkable how long this list of applications is.

[0:11:35] Trustee Luckham: It goes back a number of years.

[0:11:37] Trustee Luckham: And so I'll just ask it for the regional planning manager.

[0:11:40] Trustee Luckham: Is there anything new in terms of updates?

[0:11:43] Trustee Luckham: other than what we're seeing in our package today

[0:11:45] Trustee Luckham: on the application status reports?

[0:11:49] Voice 16: No, they're pretty much up to date.

[0:11:51] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:11:53] Trustee Luckham: So trustees, do you have any questions

[0:11:54] Trustee Luckham: on the applications report?

[0:11:59] Voice 20: I do not, no.

[0:12:00] Trustee Luckham: Okay, great.

[0:12:01] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:12:02] Trustee Luckham: That's good.

[0:12:04] Trustee Luckham: So then the next item is we have an expense report before us

[0:12:09] Trustee Luckham: for dated May 2021.

[0:12:11] Trustee Luckham: 2021 it's it's interesting that that's it i was reflecting on why it didn't look like we'd spent

[0:12:17] Trustee Luckham: much money in the first quarter and of course that's back from may and now we're at the end

[0:12:23] Trustee Luckham: of july so it's not necessarily reflective of work that's not been ongoing so that's uh there

[0:12:29] Trustee Luckham: for information um any questions any questions need to go to nancy rogers typically but trustee

[0:12:35] Trustee Luckham: grove

[0:12:35] Trustee Grove: i'm just wondering why may i mean i would have thought we should be a little bit more up

[0:12:39] Trustee Grove: to date than this?

[0:12:41] Trustee Luckham: Well, you might indeed be right, except that there has been some disruption in

[0:12:46] Trustee Luckham: staffing in finance, and the audit and the like, I think, ended up taking some precedence, and

[0:12:54] Trustee Luckham: I think some other internal resource management there, probably. So we'll just receive that for

[0:13:06] Trustee Luckham: information, and we'll look forward to seeing the next one, which maybe we'll even see at our next

[0:13:10] Trustee Luckham: meeting. So the Allens Trust Conservancy Board report, we don't have anything today. I'm grateful

[0:13:16] Trustee Luckham: for the work that they do in the boots on the ground, the preservation and protection of

[0:13:24] Trustee Luckham: ecosystems and land. I'm grateful for that. So 7.7, 7.7.1, we don't have, this is Salt Spring

[0:13:32] Trustee Luckham: Island Watershed Protection Alliance, we don't have a coordinator's report today.

[0:13:36] Trustee Luckham: day. We do have some correspondence to the LTC regarding, concerning ecosystems resilience

[0:13:46] Trustee Luckham: mapping. That's here for our consideration. And perhaps that was authored, that letter's authored

[0:13:52] Trustee Luckham: by our very own Trustee Laura Patrick. So perhaps I'll just turn this to Trustee Patrick for

[0:13:58] Trustee Luckham: any comment and what you would like us to do specifically.

[0:14:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): well first I'll just mention on the there was no coordinator's report but just to let you know that

[0:14:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): SWPA is helping to coordinate a meeting of all the water purveyors on the island just to get

[0:14:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): them together to see if they're interested in you know formalizing a relationship across all the

[0:14:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): water purveyors not necessarily to join SWPA but maybe either their own group or a subgroup of

[0:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): of SWPA, but that's underway.

[0:14:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll probably, I think it's probably,

[0:14:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think this was more of a request

[0:14:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): that came through the technical working group

[0:14:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I'd probably, I'm wondering if William Shulba

[0:14:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): perhaps could speak to what this request is

[0:14:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): far better than I could.

[0:14:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): This was a request that came through SWPA

[0:14:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): just to bring to the local trust committee's attention.

[0:14:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[0:15:01] Trustee Luckham: and I see that William Shuba has indeed joined us

[0:15:04] Trustee Luckham: and it looked like he was keen to tell us something here

[0:15:07] Trustee Luckham: about this request.

[0:15:09] Trustee Luckham: So William Shuba, thank you for joining us.

[0:15:11] Trustee Luckham: Freshwater specialist, over to you.

[0:15:14] Voice 29: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[0:15:16] Voice 29: And thank you, Chair Patrick of SOPA for writing the letter.

[0:15:22] Voice 29: So I have presented to the technical working group

[0:15:27] Voice 29: the watershed ecosystems resiliency mapping

[0:15:30] Voice 29: Mapping that was developed as part of the Healthy Watersheds Initiative funding that Islands Trust received this year.

[0:15:40] Voice 29: We have done watershed resiliency mapping on Oranbee and a select watershed on Laskete.

[0:15:49] Voice 29: um and it's um through the conversations with the technical working group it it seemed that

[0:15:59] Voice 29: the watershed ecosystems resiliency mapping would work really well in salt spring um and it would

[0:16:06] Voice 29: um perhaps um benefit or or at least um be be a um an asset to the work that dr

[0:16:19] Voice 29: Tara Martin has been undertaking in the island's forest and climate resiliency mapping.

[0:16:27] Voice 29: And to narrow it down, instead of doing an island-wide ecosystem resiliency map,

[0:16:38] Voice 29: perhaps the LTC would find interest in undertaking this work this year for the

[0:16:45] Voice 29: the Westin Watershed and the Cushion Lake Watershed,

[0:16:49] Voice 29: which are the two largest drinking water lakes

[0:16:53] Voice 29: outside of the North Salt Spring Water Works District.

[0:16:57] Voice 29: And as the LTC knows through SWPA,

[0:17:03] Voice 29: the Islands Trust is collaborating and coordinating

[0:17:08] Voice 29: with this capital regional district

[0:17:10] Voice 29: to undertake a water availability study on Westin Lake.

[0:17:14] Voice 29: and it's a potential that the watershed ecosystem resiliency mapping could help facilitate some of

[0:17:23] Voice 29: that work and just for clarity in the general consent resolution here it mentions groundwater

[0:17:33] Voice 29: recharge mapping and precipitation interception potential that's part of another project that

[0:17:41] Voice 29: I'm working on and just to update the LTC that the regional planning committee has we have budget

[0:17:51] Voice 29: to continue on the water or the groundwater recharge mapping project which is trust-wide

[0:17:58] Voice 29: and I have prioritized salt spring to be completed this year so that will happen before the end of

[0:18:07] Voice 29: the fiscal year. So that work will already be underway, which is what's not underway or

[0:18:14] Voice 29: doesn't have a business case or a project charter is the watershed ecosystem resiliency mapping.

[0:18:24] Voice 29: I hope I made sense out of that.

[0:18:26] Trustee Luckham: Thanks. Sure. So I'll ask Chair Patrick,

[0:18:34] Trustee Luckham: Ripper chair Patrick and or William is is there a decision that or is there a recommendation for

[0:18:42] Trustee Luckham: a decision or in terms of some action here from the LTC or is this work ongoing in some nature

[0:18:52] Trustee Luckham: that will be funded in a future budget or something like this I

[0:18:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): have no I have no recommendation I'm

[0:18:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've I've been trying to capture and make sure that Salt Spring has been included in the overall

[0:19:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): all regional planning manage or manage um programs for um for the the water mapping that's occurring

[0:19:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): across the islands because salt spring kind of fell off the list so i note it is being included

[0:19:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): now as being an outstanding island in that budget planning so i would be hoping staff would be

[0:19:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): addressing that and all the various uh planning exercises that are about to commence um okay

[0:19:31] Voice 29: Chair, may I comment on that? So I spoke with Planner Yeomans this morning. So the regional groundwater budgets for the Southern Gulf Islands were paid for through LTC budget, and they'll continue to be the mechanism to take on those projects.

[0:19:51] Voice 29: projects um the the groundwater recharge mapping is a project of the regional planning committee

[0:19:59] Voice 29: and that's an island's trust wide and i'm hoping to have all of the islands covered

[0:20:05] Voice 29: by the end of term if if not by the end of this fiscal but we'll see how it goes

[0:20:12] Voice 29: salt spring island was the first island to have the recharge mapping done but that was the first

[0:20:19] Voice 29: methodology and it's gone through two iterations so now we will finalize the recharge mapping on

[0:20:25] Voice 29: Salt Spring Island using the newest and up-to-date methodology which is really exciting

[0:20:30] Voice 29: but that falls short of doing the regional groundwater budgets which would have to be

[0:20:35] Voice 29: a project of the LTC and so Planner Yeomans and I talked about perhaps seeing the LTC's interest

[0:20:46] Voice 29: in that. And if there is interest, then we will put a business case forward to take on that work

[0:20:51] Voice 29: for the next fiscal year to be completed. And if all goes well with procurement to be completed

[0:20:59] Voice 29: before the end of term.

[0:21:03] Trustee Luckham: Okay, very good. Thank you. So it's, and I'll just maybe turn to Planner

[0:21:07] Trustee Luckham: Yeomans. No direction is required at this time by the sounds of it.

[0:21:12] Voice 28: Well, so when William and

[0:21:15] Voice 28: and I were chatting this morning staff are very cognizant at this time that it is budget cycle

[0:21:20] Voice 28: season and we should be getting business cases together for any projects that we anticipate

[0:21:26] Voice 28: will have annual costs in excess of five thousand dollars and it sounds to me that the regional

[0:21:32] Voice 28: groundwater availability or regional groundwater budget study that William is advocating would be

[0:21:38] Voice 28: a five thousand dollar plus project I understand from William let's say somewhere in the neighborhood

[0:21:43] Voice 28: of 10 to $20,000. So if the LTC is interested in funding this work as part of its work program in

[0:21:52] Voice 28: 22-23, a resolution to have us develop a business case and a project charter to come back to you

[0:22:00] Voice 28: with for your August 31st meeting would be valuable as we would be looking to have that

[0:22:05] Voice 28: business case included in FPC's October meeting where the sort of preliminary budget is hashed

[0:22:12] Voice 28: out so if this project is of interest to the ltc now is the time to signal that to us so we can

[0:22:19] Voice 28: develop the uh the business case and project charter to support it

[0:22:23] Voice 20: okay thank you that's the

[0:22:28] Voice 29: sorry chair may have just provide some clarity to that just um so so as as planner yeomans was

[0:22:36] Voice 29: was saying that he was discussing

[0:22:38] Voice 29: the regional groundwater availability.

[0:22:42] Voice 29: I will say that the watershed ecosystem resiliency mapping

[0:22:48] Voice 29: has no home right now and no direction.

[0:22:51] Voice 29: And there is a young contractor

[0:22:56] Voice 29: who's been working with the Islands Trust

[0:22:57] Voice 29: who just graduated and he's the one who created

[0:23:00] Voice 29: the watershed ecosystem resiliency mapping

[0:23:02] Voice 29: for the CRD water service.

[0:23:04] Voice 29: and that's and we expanded up on that and we find it for the gulf islands and that was used for

[0:23:09] Voice 29: hornby and and um liskiti um and it's and it's possible that that that watershed ecosystem

[0:23:16] Voice 29: resiliency mapping can be done on cushion and westin uh this fall like coming up in the next um

[0:23:23] Voice 29: uh quarter and that would um be less than five thousand dollars so it wouldn't have to it would

[0:23:30] Voice 29: just be a smaller LTC project, but staff would need direction from the LTC to come back with

[0:23:38] Voice 29: a project charter if they choose to undertake that work. And it was signaled by the technical

[0:23:46] Voice 29: working group that this was a good thing to do. And then SWPA steering committee passed this

[0:23:53] Voice 29: resolution describing that further. And now it's in front of you through this correspondence from

[0:23:57] Voice 29: from SWPA Chair Patrick.

[0:24:00] Voice 29: Okay,

[0:24:03] Trustee Luckham: so I'm hearing two things.

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham: One is some support direction from the LTC

[0:24:08] Trustee Luckham: for future budget to bring back a business case,

[0:24:12] Trustee Luckham: and then also some direction to create a charter

[0:24:16] Trustee Luckham: for work that you anticipate might be able to be done

[0:24:18] Trustee Luckham: through the fall with existing budget.

[0:24:22] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[0:24:23] Trustee Luckham: So Trustee Patrick, over to you.

[0:24:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, this is part of, I've been an advocate,

[0:24:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): as you know for this uh freshwater strategic planning at the at the trust area trust area

[0:24:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): wide basis that's occurring and then now we've got hopefully the watershed strategic planning

[0:24:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): getting started here on salt spring so i'm concerned that you know there are a whole bunch

[0:24:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): of lots of competing and interesting things that we should be spending money on uh that's why i've

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): thought of either adding a budget conversation i know that you know the solutions lab for housing

[0:24:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and water uh on salt spring i think is something that's of high need potentially as well so i would

[0:24:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): only be in supportive of a very minor you know test of this at this time while we allow these

[0:25:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): strategic planning exercises to um you know

[0:25:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): get get going and organize uh our actions going forward

[0:25:17] Trustee Luckham: okay so do you have a uh some direction that you would like to seek from the ltc in

[0:25:24] Trustee Luckham: in the way of a motion?

[0:25:26] Trustee Luckham: I

[0:25:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't have one.

[0:25:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then I think then at this time

[0:25:41] Trustee Luckham: we'll receive the reporting that we've heard

[0:25:43] Trustee Luckham: and if there's potential for that to arise

[0:25:47] Trustee Luckham: in the future here, then we'll look for that.

[0:25:53] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then-

[0:25:56] Trustee Luckham: I

[0:25:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): was gonna say perhaps staff could either report back

[0:26:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): back on options or on what approaches

[0:26:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): at the August meeting?

[0:26:06] Trustee Luckham: That would be a good idea, yeah.

[0:26:08] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to make a motion to that effect?

[0:26:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sure, that would be a good,

[0:26:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:26:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): requests staff to report back options for,

[0:26:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): where's the word here?

[0:26:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Watershed ecosystem resilience mapping at our next meeting.

[0:26:29] Trustee Grove: Okay.

[0:26:30] Trustee Grove: I second that.

[0:26:32] Trustee Luckham: so we'll just turn to minute taker sarah sugar did you capture that uh

[0:26:38] Voice 17: yes i did i could read

[0:26:39] Voice 17: that back that

[0:26:41] Trustee Luckham: would be great thank you okay

[0:26:43] Voice 17: that the salt spring island local trust committee

[0:26:45] Voice 17: direct staff to report back regarding options for watershed ecosystem resilience mapping at the next

[0:26:53] Voice 17: ltc meeting all

[0:26:56] Trustee Luckham: right thank you um just thinking whether or not that should be options and

[0:27:04] Trustee Luckham: recommendations just a kind of a friendly amendment there is that okay Laura it hasn't

[0:27:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): been seconded yet or yes it did oh yes

[0:27:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's a friendly amendment yeah

[0:27:15] Trustee Luckham: all right so I just

[0:27:16] Trustee Luckham: add the word recommendations so moved and seconded um any further discussion all those in favor

[0:27:23] Trustee Luckham: then that carries okay very good thank you um to staff for supporting that conversation and thank

[0:27:29] Trustee Luckham: you uh uh uh trustee patrick for your uh guidance and leadership there so let

[0:27:39] Trustee Luckham: us now get down to uh

[0:27:43] Trustee Luckham: trustee committee projects the first being uh we're going to get two verbal updates here well

[0:27:48] Trustee Luckham: three verb updates i guess the first one being the ganges village planning task force and

[0:27:54] Trustee Luckham: regional planning manager acting regional planning manager garbo um are you going to provide that

[0:28:00] Trustee Luckham: report to us uh

[0:28:02] Voice 16: yes chair um is that okay if i share a powerpoint with you i thought that

[0:28:07] Voice 16: absolutely to present the update um are you able to see it maybe i'll turn it into a slideshow

[0:28:31] Voice 16: are you seeing the

[0:28:32] Trustee Luckham: whole slide no we're just seeing um well in theory we're seeing what

[0:28:38] Trustee Luckham: you're seeing which is on the left-hand side ganges village plan area and the right-hand

[0:28:43] Trustee Luckham: hand side is a picture of the next slide probably you want to get rid of that next slide

[0:28:48] Voice 16: sorry about

[0:28:49] Voice 16: that let me see if i remember how to do that no

[0:28:58] Trustee Luckham: if you go up to from beginning click on from

[0:29:02] Trustee Luckham: beginning uh

[0:29:03] Voice 16: -huh yeah

[0:29:05] Trustee Luckham: resume no interesting um sorry

[0:29:10] Voice 16: about that let me just try oops well we can

[0:29:15] Trustee Luckham: I can see that if that's all that you can do,

[0:29:18] Trustee Luckham: but there should be a full screen mode.

[0:29:20] Voice 16: Yeah, it's on my other monitor.

[0:29:23] Voice 16: I did not expect that.

[0:29:24] Voice 16: Usually I don't have a problem.

[0:29:27] Voice 29: Hi chair, just under monitors,

[0:29:30] Voice 29: it has click use presenter view.

[0:29:32] Voice 29: If you click that off, it should work.

[0:29:35] Voice 16: Where do I see that?

[0:29:37] Voice 29: In the top ticker, it says monitors.

[0:29:41] Voice 29: If you go down on the actual and move to your right,

[0:29:46] Voice 12: okay i

[0:29:49] Voice 29: it's just right above the word ganges of your song yeah

[0:29:52] Voice 29: you use presenter

[0:29:53] Voice 29: above

[0:29:54] Trustee Luckham: the word village yeah your slide use presenter

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham: interview click

[0:30:00] Voice 29: that off just

[0:30:03] Trustee Luckham: scroll up uh

[0:30:05] Voice 16: i have a box in front of me i can't see

[0:30:08] Voice 16: oh here yeah

[0:30:09] Trustee Luckham: right there click that box that

[0:30:13] Voice 29: should work is

[0:30:15] Voice 16: it working well

[0:30:16] Voice 29: no no click

[0:30:17] Voice 29: from beginning on the left hand side and it should work is

[0:30:22] Voice 16: it working that's good

[0:30:30] Voice 20: let's just go with

[0:30:31] Voice 20: what we've got yeah

[0:30:32] Voice 16: sorry about that uh just when i thought it would be better

[0:30:35] Voice 16: are you able to see this yep okay so uh just to briefly uh the the 8.1 is again just uh village

[0:30:47] Voice 16: area plan and they this is a kind of a flow chart that we are using on the web page to give

[0:30:54] Voice 16: the community a sense of where we are at as we propose so we're really into the phase two

[0:31:01] Voice 16: we're a little bit behind schedule but it's still pretty good on track as far as the project

[0:31:06] Voice 16: goals. What we have shared with the task force so far is we work on a proposed boundary map.

[0:31:14] Voice 16: If I recall correctly, I think we shared that with the LTC once. At that time, it was really

[0:31:20] Voice 16: preliminary. It still is. Everything is really much of a draft. The task force member asked

[0:31:28] Voice 16: to explain why we pick certain boundary. So in the map, we actually provide some explanation

[0:31:35] Voice 16: at each corner or each area that we feel can explain better why we pick certain section

[0:31:44] Voice 16: or, you know, it looks so irregularly shaped.

[0:31:48] Voice 16: This is just give a sense of how far we go in this area of plan.

[0:31:54] Voice 16: And it's just a dialogue for conversation.

[0:31:56] Voice 16: It's not a passing stone, certainly.

[0:32:00] Voice 16: And we have to take it out to the community.

[0:32:03] Voice 16: And through the public engagement process, all of that will continue to change. And we also share that with the agencies just to make sure they feel whether we should expand or reduce the boundary.

[0:32:18] Voice 16: boundary and just really quickly for the benefit of the public the blue area is the larger area of

[0:32:25] Voice 16: the area plan where we will do our analysis and study and the green line is the containment area

[0:32:33] Voice 16: and between the green and the blue is really the kind of we're calling it the transition transition

[0:32:39] Voice 16: transition zone where between the density happen and the less dense or even worn protection area

[0:32:49] Voice 16: and the red boundary is the village area. Again all of that will continue to reshape and change

[0:32:57] Voice 16: through the community dialogue but this will just get a sense of where our research area will be.

[0:33:03] Voice 16: We also share three to four, maybe even five area plan with the task force from other jurisdictions to give them a sense of what the end product will look like.

[0:33:17] Voice 16: And from there, we propose certain framework.

[0:33:20] Voice 16: We have a conversation with the task force at their second meeting, I believe, and they identify some of the elements to be included.

[0:33:30] Voice 16: And those are in red, highlighted in red to show them where they suggest that we should include.

[0:33:36] Voice 16: Again, this is just really preliminary.

[0:33:39] Voice 16: We continue to throughout the meetings with the task force, we keep reshaping the framework.

[0:33:46] Voice 16: work and we talk about vision statement for the area plan and the task force they each kind of

[0:33:55] Voice 16: provide us with what they envision the village will be through the use of a single word what

[0:34:02] Voice 16: they envision to see and we created a word cloud and kind of draft a proposed statement using those

[0:34:09] Voice 16: words again it's really draft through the community process that's going to change

[0:34:15] Voice 16: The community may feel they need to see more or something is missing or how we should reshape it.

[0:34:22] Voice 16: So this is what the three things that we're working on the boundary, the vision statement and the framework is currently what staff brought forward to the task force to work on.

[0:34:32] Voice 16: And so we're still in progress right now.

[0:34:38] Voice 16: And one thing we mentioned to LTC, but I just really like this map.

[0:34:44] Voice 16: I think it's really cool.

[0:34:45] Voice 16: It was produced by the school children at the center school, and that was the end product.

[0:34:52] Voice 16: They provided a map, and they talk about how they envision what the village will look like.

[0:34:58] Voice 16: We have this map actually put in our front lobby right now, so when people come in, they can see it.

[0:35:03] Voice 16: We also think it may be a good idea to use it in the area plan as well.

[0:35:09] Voice 16: So that's kind of where we are at on the Ganges Village.

[0:35:13] Voice 16: One thing, there are a couple of things to share, one is two members have resigned and

[0:35:20] Voice 16: they said that they just cannot keep up with what they are working on in their other life,

[0:35:28] Voice 16: their professional life, so they cannot keep up with the obligation, so they resigned.

[0:35:33] Voice 16: And we'd like to ask if LTC1 has to, I guess, recruit new members, we can certainly do that,

[0:35:42] Voice 16: that we can post and then maybe invite new member to apply.

[0:35:48] Voice 16: The other thing is Ganges Village Group

[0:35:51] Voice 16: definitely want to see to have more meetings

[0:35:54] Voice 16: and that with the 8.2 update with the housing,

[0:35:58] Voice 16: I can give you more update on where we are at

[0:36:01] Voice 16: as far as the frequency of task force meeting.

[0:36:04] Voice 16: So this is for 8.1 for the Ganges.

[0:36:07] Voice 16: Before I move on to the housing,

[0:36:09] Voice 16: just want to see if there's any questions.

[0:36:11] Voice 16: We will be providing a more in-depth report next month, a written report, but right now just not to give you a verbal report on where we're at.

[0:36:23] Trustee Luckham: Right. Thank you, Louisa. So because we're not able to really see this fully here, can you provide us this, obviously draft our presentation to us so we can review it offline?

[0:36:34] Trustee Luckham: Yes. Yes. And

[0:36:36] Voice 16: I apologize for that.

[0:36:37] Voice 20: Peter, do you have a question?

[0:36:37] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:36:41] Trustee Grove: thanks. Not so much a question as a comment. And basically, it'll be a similar

[0:36:46] Trustee Grove: comment to the Housing Action Program report. Hearing from some of the members of those

[0:36:56] Trustee Grove: committees, there's significant frustration. Lisa mentioned they want to have more meetings,

[0:37:02] Trustee Grove: and that is so. They don't see how, between now and the end of two years from now,

[0:37:10] Trustee Grove: they will be able to conclude this very significant task.

[0:37:14] Trustee Grove: And so I have suggested to those groups or their chairs that if they do indeed,

[0:37:23] Trustee Grove: if the committees do indeed have concerns, they should address those to the LTC formally,

[0:37:30] Trustee Grove: having presumably discussed the issue in public.

[0:37:34] Trustee Grove: But it's something we need to pay attention to, but I wait to hear from them as to what they need.

[0:37:40] Trustee Grove: but right now there is some significant frustration thanks okay

[0:37:47] Trustee Luckham: uh trustee patrick

[0:37:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah and i echo i've heard similar uh concerns and um i want to kind of go back i think

[0:37:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): in ganji's village i think it's a it's a it's a big thing with lots of moving parts and i think

[0:38:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know i look at all the groups i think getting people in a room with a big whiteboard is so

[0:38:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): needed to draw i'm a picture drawer those that know me and uh where are we now who are all the

[0:38:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): players what are we doing because i think i think i think zoom is is also hurting some of these

[0:38:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations because um uh it's just it's it's difficult when this is such a tactile thing we

[0:38:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to be in the village we want to touch it and see it and where where things are going um i think

[0:38:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's some i think the map really needs to have some deep thought put into it before it goes out

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): in public because the map you're showing now is quite a bit different from the map we have today

[0:38:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've got islands of village up the up so are those being proposed to be removed out um you

[0:38:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): know because up the hill where where um salt spring community um services is in that area

[0:38:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's an island of village and that's outside the boundary of what's being shown now so i'm just

[0:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): um yeah i i think there's there needs to be some deeper thought put into the boundaries

[0:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): with with conversations as to what makes sense um because if those islands are intended to stay

[0:39:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): there then i think that that i know to me is a problem having islands of village um so i think

[0:39:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): i encourage i think i think we have to really recognize you know the task force members um i'm

[0:39:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): sad to hear that two are leaving and certainly um i would i would look i think that's a conversation

[0:39:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the task for who's missing at the table i think those are good exercises to do to look at

[0:39:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): at each other and say, what voice are we missing? What voice would we benefit from and get their

[0:39:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): input into who should be recruited? Is it youth? Is it, you know, who's missing? What skill is

[0:39:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): missing at the table that would help the conversation and engage the task force in that

[0:39:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversation? As well as, I mean, I understand the open meeting rules. I think the three of us

[0:39:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): elected live in the open meeting rules every day. We're very well aware of it. I think these

[0:40:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): volunteers and task forces I think we have to trust the intent of the of the reasons that

[0:40:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're getting together and and and I think they they I you know we have to trust them and um and

[0:40:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I and I trust them so um you know to to to do what they need to do so um I really want to see

[0:40:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): this successful and I want to see us work this out and I know you do too all the staff so I'm

[0:40:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): hopeful we can work through I think any group comes together what's the old saying storming

[0:40:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): forming norming and uh performing you know so we might be stuck in the storming phase here but we

[0:40:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to move into the uh norming and uh performing as quick as we as we can so thank you thank you

[0:40:48] Trustee Luckham: for those good words uh trustee patrick um um so uh planet garbo in this case um um do you have

[0:40:58] Trustee Luckham: anything further to add to the ganges village planning task force otherwise we'll move to

[0:41:03] Trustee Luckham: to housing?

[0:41:04] Trustee Luckham: We

[0:41:05] Voice 16: can move to housing.

[0:41:06] Voice 16: Okay, thank you then.

[0:41:08] Voice 16: Okay, so for the housing action program,

[0:41:13] Voice 16: I have similar timeline because both projects

[0:41:16] Voice 16: kind of start around the same time.

[0:41:18] Voice 16: So this is just to give you an idea.

[0:41:21] Voice 16: The housing started a bit late,

[0:41:24] Voice 16: but actually progressing quite fast.

[0:41:28] Voice 16: And this is just an idea of where it is.

[0:41:30] Voice 16: Again, this snapshot is posted on the project page.

[0:41:36] Voice 16: Right now, the task force decided to identify what needs to be done.

[0:41:42] Voice 16: They want to create a strategic priorities matrix because of the comprehensiveness of the project chartered with Housing Action Program.

[0:41:51] Voice 16: There's so many things involved to create a complete, safe community.

[0:41:57] Voice 16: So they want to put a matrix together and talk about objectives, the goals, and manual spy law, OCP update, pilot projects, and even any other ideas.

[0:42:12] Voice 16: So they just started this process.

[0:42:14] Voice 16: And I think the next meeting, they will start reviewing it as a group.

[0:42:19] Voice 16: Members are still contributing to the matrix.

[0:42:22] Voice 16: tricks. And similar to what I said before, with the Ganges, both groups want to meet more

[0:42:33] Voice 16: frequently. And right now, staff is actually looking at the project budget and believe we can

[0:42:39] Voice 16: actually, one thing that's the most challenging is to get the minute ticker to make sure that

[0:42:45] Voice 16: provide a recorded meeting minutes. So right now, we are actually recruiting a minute ticker just

[0:42:53] Voice 16: for that just for the projects and so hopefully we can bring in someone and things it's not going

[0:43:00] Voice 16: to happen right away but we already started the recruitment process so I think we can accommodate

[0:43:04] Voice 16: additional meetings it's just not going to start right away and those meetings frequency will be

[0:43:10] Voice 16: up to the task force and the project budget is going to cover facilities rental facilities and

[0:43:18] Voice 16: and all the other administrative costs.

[0:43:20] Voice 16: So that's where we are at.

[0:43:22] Voice 16: And housing also have one member resign.

[0:43:26] Voice 16: Again, it's the obligation that the person,

[0:43:30] Voice 16: the member has right now unable to continue.

[0:43:34] Voice 16: So if the trustee LTC wants,

[0:43:38] Voice 16: we can recruit for both task force.

[0:43:42] Voice 16: So with that being said, I can actually stop sharing

[0:43:48] Voice 16: and we'll be happy to answer any questions

[0:43:50] Voice 16: on the housing action program task force.

[0:43:57] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[0:44:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Listening in and seeing and all the work

[0:44:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the housing group in particular,

[0:44:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that group could value.

[0:44:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know they had the subcommittee conversation.

[0:44:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that was the wrong words.

[0:44:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think working groups,

[0:44:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): some of these concepts could be broken

[0:44:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): into some working groups that they could

[0:44:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): could in small groups work on and then report publicly through the shorter meetings so that

[0:44:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): they can prevail because there's some real clear groups of interest that could really dig into the

[0:44:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): weeds on some of these topics. I would hope that we could facilitate that meeting the public meeting

[0:44:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): rules and so forth, that they could work in a smaller working group on a topic of tiny homes

[0:44:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): for particular and then come back and you know report through the public process so i would

[0:44:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): encourage that type of of uh of work because there's so much uh

[0:45:01] Trustee Luckham: peter grove uh

[0:45:04] Trustee Grove: thanks uh laura

[0:45:05] Trustee Grove: meeting the the public meeting rules is is where the problem is arising in terms of the numbers of

[0:45:11] Trustee Grove: meetings in terms of staffing and that's where the frustration is coming because uh they believe

[0:45:16] Trustee Grove: believe that, or I have been told that members believe that there's no reason why they shouldn't

[0:45:22] Trustee Grove: meet privately if they form less than a quorum. So it's a bit of a delicate balance,

[0:45:30] Trustee Grove: but we need to facilitate them. Again, I have encouraged them to express their concerns

[0:45:36] Trustee Grove: directly to the LTC so that we can all work together on how to resolve these things.

[0:45:43] Trustee Grove: And by the way, you mentioned earlier, Laura, I mean, these Zoom meetings for this kind of thing really do not work.

[0:45:50] Trustee Grove: I would have thought, bearing in mind the number of people involved, that we could now have meetings in person.

[0:45:55] Trustee Grove: Is that not so? That was a question.

[0:46:05] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Planner Garbo, do you want to address that meeting in person question?

[0:46:13] Voice 16: Chair, so right now for both task force, the meeting in August will be in person.

[0:46:18] Voice 16: And to just concur with Trustee Grove, yes, having a regular so-called subcommittee meeting will not meet the Local Government Act, Community Charter, sorry.

[0:46:32] Voice 16: So what we propose is, hopefully that's going to work.

[0:46:35] Voice 16: We actually sent out the polling for the members of the task force.

[0:46:40] Voice 16: they can tell us how often they want to meet and what day and what time so that we can get the

[0:46:46] Voice 16: majorities get a sense of when they want to meet we can if we do get the minute ticker we can

[0:46:52] Voice 16: actually accommodate them weekly if they want so as often as they want that's why we decided to

[0:46:59] Voice 16: take that approach that way we can give them the opportunity we did hear comment from members that

[0:47:05] Voice 16: they are concerned about splitting in groups because they won't get the chance to hear the

[0:47:10] Voice 16: conversation so there's always both sides of the uh and like you said finding the balance is

[0:47:16] Voice 16: challenging so we hope this will work just having someone to to record the meetings to maintain the

[0:47:22] Voice 16: transparency we also post those schedules so people will know they are aware of those meetings

[0:47:28] Voice 16: any

[0:47:36] Trustee Luckham: additional questions or thoughts no okay so then louisa that concludes that report

[0:47:47] Trustee Luckham: um we brought in a new item of business here at 8.3 update on the coastal douglas fir

[0:47:53] Trustee Luckham: um are you or one of your other staff members able to provide us an update on that project

[0:47:58] Trustee Luckham: uh i would

[0:47:59] Voice 16: defer that to my colleague planner yeoman okay

[0:48:03] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much uh planner

[0:48:04] Trustee Luckham: yeomans over to you okay

[0:48:07] Voice 28: thank you chair luck um all right verbal update on the cdf project

[0:48:12] Voice 28: as previously reported the static infographics that the ltc procured earlier in this project

[0:48:18] Voice 28: are now complete uh and we're just exploring ways to get them out there into the public you'll have

[0:48:23] Voice 28: seen some positive press from the gulf islands driftwood on the completion of these infographics

[0:48:28] Voice 28: and their impending use it's my understanding that transition salt spring and the local forest watch

[0:48:34] Voice 28: group are intending to disseminate some of this infographic information at some tables that

[0:48:40] Voice 28: they'll have set up in some public places over the course of the summer. And then we, of course,

[0:48:46] Voice 28: internally are looking at how best to disseminate these through our own channels. You know, I take

[0:48:52] Voice 28: zero credit for any of this because it has nothing to do with Islands Trust, but it does dovetail

[0:48:56] Voice 28: quite nicely with the CDF project, which is the Transition Salt Spring, has been hosting a number

[0:49:01] Voice 28: of forest-oriented talks and discussions over the past couple months, which of course

[0:49:07] Voice 28: is very much related to some of the aspects that the Local Trust Committee is looking to

[0:49:12] Voice 28: explore as part of its CDF protection project. Our Coastal Douglas First Science Working Group

[0:49:20] Voice 28: has continued to meet. It's concluded its meetings for the time being until such time as they're able

[0:49:25] Voice 28: to meet with the LTC in a special meeting, as the LTC has requested. The last couple meetings

[0:49:32] Voice 28: of the science working group were essentially to prepare for this upcoming special meeting with the

[0:49:38] Voice 28: LTC. I'm not sure when we'll be able to host that, hopefully toward the end of August or into early

[0:49:44] Voice 28: September, so we can do it in a timely fashion. The science working groups meetings concluded with

[0:49:50] Voice 28: the development of a very interesting and useful analytical and decision-making tool, and this was

[0:49:55] Voice 28: developed through Dr. Tara Martin of UBC's Conservation Decision Lab and one of her students,

[0:50:00] Voice 28: Riley Finn, and they put in a lot of very thoughtful time and work on developing a tool

[0:50:05] Voice 28: that the LTC can deploy when it's ready to, to identify the areas of the island that achieve

[0:50:14] Voice 28: the sort of greatest outcome relative to the conservation objectives of this particular

[0:50:21] Voice 28: project. So this decision-making tool layers several important pieces of information. It takes

[0:50:28] Voice 28: sensitive ecosystem mapping, it takes watershed recharge potential, it takes tall tree mapping,

[0:50:33] Voice 28: and it takes forest contiguity, puts it all together, sets some parameters of the various

[0:50:39] Voice 28: conservation levels of each of those types of information that the LTC might seek to protect,

[0:50:44] Voice 28: and through that can be used to identify the areas of the island of greatest conservation

[0:50:50] Voice 28: concern relative to the objectives of this project. And finally the LTC has asked staff

[0:50:57] Voice 28: to include in its request for proposals for a consultant to develop a watershed plan for the

[0:51:02] Voice 28: island, some element of community engagement or community discussion around forests. And we are

[0:51:09] Voice 28: doing that. There is a draft of that RFP that's been completed. It's been reviewed by the regional

[0:51:15] Voice 28: planning manager and is just undergoing some tweaks now to make it posting ready. Ultimately,

[0:51:22] Voice 28: Ultimately, however, you know, I must admit that I feel like the project has reached a point of stasis for the time being, as we don't have a clear sense of what, at this point, the LTC is looking to achieve through this project.

[0:51:37] Voice 28: Staff had presented to the LTC a draft project charter for the next phase of the project at both your April and your May meetings, and that draft project charter was not endorsed.

[0:51:49] Voice 28: So I must admit, I've sort of reached a point where we're looking for direction, and obviously that direction will come through your endorsement for Project Charter.

[0:52:00] Voice 28: So maybe it's a matter of getting one of those back in front of you as soon as possible so that we can get a clear sense of where you would like this project to head next.

[0:52:09] Voice 28: Thank you.

[0:52:12] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Planner Yeomans.

[0:52:14] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick?

[0:52:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we're having great success.

[0:52:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): The fact that we're partnering and have various organizations that, you know, that there was a group of people with a table set up in the Tuesday market last week with all those pictures that are up.

[0:52:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think the communication and education piece is up and running and working, like I said, exactly what I wanted to see, working with partners.

[0:52:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think that's a super good outcome of where we are today.

[0:52:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that there was a meeting or presentation week before last with the CRD and the Salt

[0:52:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Spring Island Fire Department on living with wildfire.

[0:53:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): It was Jonathan Reimer from the CRD and Mitchell Sharon from Salt Spring.

[0:53:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Really fantastic information.

[0:53:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): It really worked fairly well with what Richard Hebda had talked about the week before with the presentation on Salt Spring and relating very similar to what has come out of the science group.

[0:53:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's like I said, to see things coming from different angles and coming together is exciting.

[0:53:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): exciting and i was gonna i have a proposed motion i was gonna ask i know that mitchell sharon that

[0:53:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): they are upgrading their fire maps and that he has uh created a working group uh to help inform

[0:53:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): the fire department on on their fire smart and all of that and and i know they they have uh taken

[0:53:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): some of your science members into that group so it's uh it's the cross pollinating is great and

[0:53:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think there's value in you um you know listening in closely because i think i think there's some

[0:53:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): some potential directions coming here

[0:53:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): that will be much needed and welcomed and well-supported.

[0:54:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'm going to put a motion on the floor

[0:54:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:54:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): endorses a planner to participate in Salt Spring Fire

[0:54:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): and rescues wildfire resiliency planning,

[0:54:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): recognizing the intersection of wildfire mitigation,

[0:54:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): coastal Douglas forest protection

[0:54:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): and freshwater sustainability.

[0:54:26] Trustee Grove: I'll second that to get it on the table.

[0:54:29] Trustee Luckham: very good thank you uh trustee patrick for the motion and interest to go for seconding

[0:54:36] Trustee Luckham: um do you just speak uh further to your motion sure

[0:54:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just think it's um like i said i think

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's good that if staff can participate in those working groups and uh you know be looking for

[0:54:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): those opportunities of the synergies of what where is the next phasing of the project so that we can

[0:54:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): be continue this coordinated fashion that we're having these conversations in the community

[0:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[0:55:00] Trustee Luckham: Peter Grove, do you have any questions or comments or thoughts on the motion?

[0:55:05] Trustee Luckham: I think one

[0:55:06] Trustee Grove: can't argue against this. I'm delighted these conversations are happening

[0:55:10] Trustee Grove: also. I am also very much aware of staffing issues, so I'm happy to refer this motion to staff and

[0:55:21] Trustee Grove: get some feedback from our regional planning manager rather than get some feedback from him

[0:55:28] Trustee Grove: as to what the reality is

[0:55:30] Trustee Grove: and just where we should be putting our resources.

[0:55:34] Trustee Grove: This is all part of the overall CDF plan

[0:55:38] Trustee Grove: that we were looking at earlier.

[0:55:41] Trustee Grove: And quite frankly, since so much has happened,

[0:55:44] Trustee Grove: I would like to see that plan back at the table,

[0:55:49] Trustee Grove: maybe with some amendments or not,

[0:55:51] Trustee Grove: as staff see fit.

[0:55:53] Trustee Grove: But I'd like to have another look at it at this point

[0:55:56] Trustee Grove: to see where we can go because I think there's an awful lot

[0:56:00] Trustee Grove: that can be done, is being done,

[0:56:02] Trustee Grove: and I'd like to just give that a gentle shove

[0:56:05] Trustee Grove: in the right direction, thanks.

[0:56:07] Trustee Grove: So at this point, yeah, I'm not prepared

[0:56:10] Trustee Grove: to version favor of this particular motion.

[0:56:12] Trustee Grove: I would just refer it to our regional planning manager

[0:56:16] Trustee Grove: and for comment.

[0:56:21] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Grove.

[0:56:24] Trustee Luckham: So Trustee Patrick, you want to respond to that?

[0:56:26] Trustee Luckham: then?

[0:56:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think wildfire planning was very much part of what was brought to the table with the

[0:56:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): science working group, and that we'll be meeting with the science working group about advancing

[0:56:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): what comes next. And I know, you know, many of that group is involved with Mitchell Sharon on

[0:56:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): this work that's happening with the fire department. And I think having the fire department

[0:56:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): as a partner in any work that we do going forward with the Coastal Douglas Fire is

[0:56:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): is crucially important and that endorsing staff

[0:56:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): to participate with Mitchell, Sharon and this working group

[0:56:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): would be only to the benefit of the Coastal Douglas fir

[0:57:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): and next steps that we want to take.

[0:57:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it's important that we encourage staff

[0:57:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be able to go.

[0:57:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, of

[0:57:12] Trustee Luckham: course I agree.

[0:57:14] Trustee Grove: Before

[0:57:14] Trustee Luckham: I come to you, Peter,

[0:57:16] Trustee Luckham: can I get Sarah, can you put this motion up on the screen

[0:57:20] Trustee Luckham: so that we can be certain that we understand what we're talking about and then the public also knows

[0:57:25] Trustee Luckham: what we're talking about and i want to thank you laura for circulating that earlier in an email

[0:57:30] Trustee Luckham: let's get it up on the screen and then um let's let's go let's go to peter just waiting for that

[0:57:41] Trustee Luckham: can

[0:57:48] Voice 17: you see that now i i think that i'm if

[0:57:51] Trustee Luckham: you could make it larger um where that is

[0:57:56] Trustee Luckham: at 8.3 there now that's better thank you so the motion then is that the salt spring island local

[0:58:08] Trustee Luckham: trust committee endorsed a planner to participate in salt spring island fire and rescues wildfire

[0:58:13] Trustee Luckham: resiliency planning recognizing intersection of wildfire mitigation coastal douglas for

[0:58:18] Trustee Luckham: forest protection and fresh water sustainability um so that's the motion and then peter we're

[0:58:26] Trustee Luckham: actually only endorsing that this happen I I think it would be up to the regional planning manager to

[0:58:34] Trustee Luckham: actually make it so but well if I'm not mistaken Laura what you're wanting to demonstrate is your

[0:58:40] Trustee Luckham: support for having a planner involved in those conversations yeah so

[0:58:45] Trustee Luckham: Peter over to you um of

[0:58:48] Trustee Grove: course I agree with this um it was always part of the uh the the work plan was to involve and work

[0:58:55] Trustee Grove: closely with the fire department and the CRD, obviously. But my understanding is that we do

[0:59:02] Trustee Grove: have some serious staff issues. And I would like to hear from the regional planning manager before

[0:59:08] Trustee Grove: we do anything more in this regard. And by the way, I mean, what we really need, of course,

[0:59:14] Trustee Grove: is the report from the science group, which I'm sure will endorse this. I just don't want to

[0:59:20] Trustee Grove: um force anybody's hand at this point right

[0:59:26] Trustee Luckham: okay um i don't see it as being forcing a hand i'll

[0:59:31] Trustee Luckham: just comment um and then uh unless trustee patrick has something else to say i would like to actually

[0:59:39] Trustee Luckham: just offer some thoughts here what which is not specifically to do with this motion but

[0:59:44] Trustee Luckham: i think it actually supports the idea that we need to have we need to somehow be more involved in

[0:59:50] Trustee Luckham: the broad conversations. You know, I've said, and I believe that the LTC supports that this

[1:00:00] Trustee Luckham: Douglas fir work needs to be a collaborative conversation with everybody. There is clearly

[1:00:09] Trustee Luckham: different points of view on protecting that coastal Douglas fir and implications of

[1:00:20] Trustee Luckham: what might be considered a preserve and protection of coastal Douglas fir

[1:00:26] Trustee Luckham: with respect to vulnerabilities that may or may not arise as a result of that work.

[1:00:37] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm actually pleased to see that this conversation is happening.

[1:00:42] Trustee Luckham: And I can't help but, as I'm sure all of you are too, in monitoring all of this activity

[1:00:49] Trustee Luckham: activity uh in forestry and wildfires um through this season um there's quite a bit of conversation

[1:00:58] Trustee Luckham: about um that and i'll just characterize what is being said in the media is look at what all of

[1:01:08] Trustee Luckham: this forest protection has has brought us which is uh that protection is being blamed for uh

[1:01:18] Trustee Luckham: wildfires, because there's more fuel on the ground, because the forests aren't being managed

[1:01:22] Trustee Luckham: and that sort of thing. So I think that there's a really important conversation here to have to

[1:01:27] Trustee Luckham: understand those points of view. And indeed, I'm very pleased to see that the Salt Spring Island

[1:01:35] Trustee Luckham: Fire and Rescue is wanting to be involved in that resiliency planning, because they certainly have

[1:01:40] Trustee Luckham: a valid perspective on fuel load and all those sorts of things. And of course, the CDF is

[1:01:47] Trustee Luckham: actually only a very small portion of the forest in the province of British Columbia and most of

[1:01:53] Trustee Luckham: it that's burning probably isn't in the coast of Douglas fir but nonetheless that conversation

[1:01:58] Trustee Luckham: embraces it because we're talking about protection trees and forestry management so I do find myself

[1:02:05] Trustee Luckham: in support of this motion because I don't think we're forcing anybody's hand here where the word

[1:02:13] Trustee Luckham: is in endorsing a planner to participate and um obviously the regional planning manager can

[1:02:19] Trustee Luckham: consider how that would unfold i would expect um so over to trustee grove and um and we'll

[1:02:28] Trustee Luckham: see if we want to debate this any further i'm

[1:02:32] Trustee Grove: sorry i don't want to be heavy-handed on this but

[1:02:34] Trustee Grove: um it has been this has been brought to my attention that um this may not be that easy to uh

[1:02:41] Trustee Grove: respond to at this point in time. I mean, maybe it's the word. Endorse, according to my

[1:02:48] Trustee Grove: handy little dictionary here, means to declare one's public approval or support of. And yeah,

[1:02:57] Trustee Grove: I think it's probably a good idea, but it's only a good idea in terms of what's possible and what

[1:03:01] Trustee Grove: isn't. So I request once again that we hold off and table this until we hear from our regional

[1:03:10] Trustee Grove: planning manager who has some who has some thoughts on this issue thank you

[1:03:20] Trustee Luckham: trustee patrick

[1:03:21] Trustee Luckham: i love

[1:03:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): the definition peter and i fully support that's exactly what i want to do i think it's

[1:03:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): important in our community today and the concerns that we're having that we be seen as supporting

[1:03:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): the work that the salt spring fire is doing on the the wildfire resiliency i can assure you that

[1:03:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): mitchell sharon and the work that i'm hearing they are extremely respectful and understand that

[1:03:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the healthy forests play a vital role

[1:03:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): in the protection of the island.

[1:03:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think the more that our staff are able to work

[1:03:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): with these type of other staff initiatives

[1:03:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are happening on the island,

[1:04:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it's to the staff's decision as to what level and so forth

[1:04:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): and whether or not they're even invited to be there.

[1:04:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): But I think us showing our support

[1:04:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we think the Salt Spring Fire's work is important

[1:04:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): important and there is a link with what we're doing I think is an important public thing to do.

[1:04:23] Trustee Grove: And believe me I support the fire department 100 percent. I'm just asking I'm repeating myself

[1:04:29] Trustee Grove: that this be put on hold until we can hear from our regional planning manager on the subject because

[1:04:34] Trustee Grove: his I think he has a lot on his plate. So I will not vote in favor of this but I can see myself

[1:04:40] Trustee Grove: of, I mean, I'm certainly going to be supporting in the future, I assume, working very closely

[1:04:46] Trustee Grove: with the fire department. But right now, I would like this to be put on hold until we can hear

[1:04:50] Trustee Grove: from Stefan Cermak.

[1:04:54] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Peter. So I'll just ask, Laura, do you feel that there's

[1:04:59] Trustee Luckham: an urgency here that this can't wait till our next meeting?

[1:05:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): I understand that the work is

[1:05:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): undergoing now with the fire department. And I think that they are having the meetings and

[1:05:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): They're receiving quite a bit of public, you know, demand in this area, and they're interested in it.

[1:05:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think this doesn't, this doesn't in any way go around our regional planning manager and that he will continue to decide what the level of staffing is and, but I think

[1:05:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): showing interest now I think is important because I know there are holding meetings.

[1:05:36] Trustee Luckham: Right. Okay. Thank you. So clearly the regional planning manager is away at the moment. I'm not

[1:05:42] Trustee Luckham: sure of his return date. Obviously, it's going to take time for him to make a decision on the

[1:05:48] Trustee Luckham: commitment he's prepared to make with his staff and, of course, what staff's availability is in

[1:05:53] Trustee Luckham: the short term. So I'm struggling a little bit with the urgency and the absence of the regional

[1:06:01] Trustee Luckham: planning manager and the acting regional planning manager and his in our planning managers stead

[1:06:08] Trustee Luckham: do you have the ability to make any remarks on the availability of staff to participate in these

[1:06:16] Trustee Luckham: discussions if you're invited

[1:06:18] Trustee Luckham: chair

[1:06:20] Voice 16: I would not be comfortable to make that decision but I was just

[1:06:27] Voice 16: I was wondering would Trustee Patrick

[1:06:30] Voice 16: consider changing the motion to give more flexibility?

[1:06:41] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[1:06:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think the flexibility is there.

[1:06:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is simply saying that we think this is important

[1:06:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): as the trustees and that we're providing direction to staff

[1:06:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): how staff choose to fill this out is up to them.

[1:06:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're not getting into the weeds.

[1:06:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is simply saying, we think this is important.

[1:06:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm willing to say today that I think this is important.

[1:07:04] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:07:05] Trustee Luckham: Is there any further discussion on the motion on the table?

[1:07:09] Trustee Luckham: Moved and seconded.

[1:07:12] Trustee Luckham: Nope.

[1:07:13] Trustee Luckham: Then Trustee Grove.

[1:07:15] Trustee Luckham: So I'll call the vote then.

[1:07:17] Trustee Luckham: Oh, go ahead.

[1:07:19] Trustee Luckham: You've just unmuted yourself.

[1:07:22] Trustee Grove: Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of Teresa Garbo's.

[1:07:27] Trustee Grove: So, I mean, we want to encourage participation

[1:07:32] Trustee Grove: in meetings with the Salt Spring Island Fire and Rescue.

[1:07:36] Trustee Grove: This is asking for a staff member to attend that,

[1:07:41] Trustee Grove: which really does tie Stefan Cermak's hands.

[1:07:46] Trustee Grove: I mean, he could respond and say no,

[1:07:49] Trustee Grove: but there are different ways of doing this.

[1:07:52] Trustee Grove: And I'm sorry, but I feel obliged.

[1:07:56] Trustee Grove: I have a strong loyalty to staff.

[1:07:58] Trustee Grove: I'm trying to give you a message,

[1:08:00] Trustee Grove: and I don't pick up on your receiving of that message

[1:08:04] Trustee Grove: but we're going to do the best we can with this

[1:08:08] Trustee Grove: and I just ask that it be postponed

[1:08:10] Trustee Grove: and you can have a separate meeting if you like

[1:08:12] Trustee Grove: to endorse it once we hear from Stefan.

[1:08:15] Trustee Luckham: So Peter and then I'll ask Laura if,

[1:08:21] Trustee Luckham: because it's her motion,

[1:08:22] Trustee Luckham: well, it's actually the committee's motion now

[1:08:24] Trustee Luckham: but simply changing the word endorse to encourage,

[1:08:28] Trustee Luckham: would that make you your support for this motion work more palatable Peter I

[1:08:34] Trustee Grove: think encourage is

[1:08:36] Trustee Grove: is a probably a more gentle word yes okay

[1:08:40] Trustee Luckham: and Laura Patrick would you accept that if I was to

[1:08:44] Trustee Luckham: make a motion to change that would you second that no

[1:08:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think I think the wording is is fine

[1:08:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're not dictating the level of participation we just said participate to me there's tons of

[1:08:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): flexibility in here i i liked how the definition that peter read out this is us saying this is

[1:09:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): important an endorsement is saying it's important and i think there is value in saying it's important

[1:09:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): and not just words i think it's actions that we have created this participatory action that's

[1:09:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): occurring right now with coastal douglas for exactly what we needed to do it is fantastic

[1:09:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): fantastic. And staff can decide what level they wish to participate. It's just getting their

[1:09:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): fingers into this process so that, you know, the fire department and all the work that continues

[1:09:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): to work together in its related stance. This isn't, I don't see any limits in this.

[1:09:39] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So if there's no further discussion, then I will call a vote. And there's no doubt that the

[1:09:47] Trustee Luckham: the regional planning manager will return from vacation

[1:09:49] Trustee Luckham: and make a decision on what he feels is necessary here.

[1:09:53] Trustee Luckham: So if there's no further discussion, I'll call the vote.

[1:09:56] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[1:09:59] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[1:10:01] Trustee Luckham: Peter, you're opposed.

[1:10:03] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much.

[1:10:04] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[1:10:05] Trustee Luckham: And we will await the regional planning manager's return.

[1:10:11] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[1:10:12] Trustee Luckham: So that's the Coastal Douglas fir update.

[1:10:14] Trustee Luckham: If there's nothing further on that,

[1:10:16] Trustee Luckham: then I will move to other business and what we have here is a closure of dormant files let me

[1:10:27] Trustee Luckham: just pull that up on my screen that's from staff regional planning manager Cermak so

[1:10:34] Trustee Luckham: acting regional planning manager Louisa Garbo are you going to introduce this report for us

[1:10:40] Trustee Luckham: uh

[1:10:41] Voice 16: chair i'll do my best uh my understanding is that uh the first resolution was already adopted

[1:10:49] Voice 16: am i correct and the today is to ask ltc to consider the second one the first one is um

[1:10:58] Voice 16: and i'm not sure when at which meeting ltc adopted the first resolution is to close the four

[1:11:06] Voice 16: four bylaw file, amendment file, and to continue.

[1:11:13] Voice 16: And the second one is to continue to pursue the one

[1:11:17] Voice 16: to amend the OCP of Pierce Island.

[1:11:22] Voice 16: So do you want me to go into detail a little bit more

[1:11:27] Voice 16: of the four different ones

[1:11:29] Voice 16: that was already presented to you?

[1:11:33] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, thank you for raising that

[1:11:35] Trustee Luckham: that because this did echo to me as something we had certainly had discussion about but it may be

[1:11:43] Trustee Luckham: that it just came to us in a report that there would be a motion later for us to endorse and so

[1:11:50] Trustee Luckham: does either of the other trustees recall the details of that conversation earlier trustee

[1:11:56] Trustee Luckham: Patrick there

[1:11:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): was a different set of bylaws but I see

[1:12:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Rob Pringle's hand up

[1:12:05] Trustee Luckham: Rob Pringle do you

[1:12:08] Trustee Luckham: have some advice on some previous minutes yes

[1:12:11] Voice 7: chair happy to share it was presented as such

[1:12:16] Voice 7: as I helped was helping devise the the meeting package and it was noticed that yeah I sort of

[1:12:27] Voice 7: notice. So in your May 25th minutes, uh, you did endorse and carry the first, uh, set of

[1:12:35] Voice 7: recommendations. It was the second set, uh, the second recommendation, uh, what you moved and

[1:12:42] Voice 7: carried was that the Salt Spring Island local trust committee deferred the motion in the staff

[1:12:46] Voice 7: report dated May 12th, 2021 regarding Piers Island official community plan bylaw number 493

[1:12:52] Voice 7: and request staff to communicate with the Piers Island rate payers association.

[1:12:57] Voice 7: That has been done, so they have advance notice that there is this need to continue as recommended in the original report, which is presented to you on page 89.

[1:13:16] Trustee Luckham: Right, I see that. In fact, yes, it's dated May 25th.

[1:13:19] Trustee Luckham: So thank you for that clarification. That is what I recall.

[1:13:23] Trustee Luckham: So then, therefore, thank you, Region Plan Manager Garbo, for helping us understand that.

[1:13:28] Trustee Luckham: So indeed, I don't know that we necessarily need to hear

[1:13:33] Trustee Luckham: the rationale behind item number,

[1:13:35] Trustee Luckham: the recommendation number two here.

[1:13:37] Trustee Luckham: We, the staff have conducted the activity

[1:13:39] Trustee Luckham: that we wanted to do to give them the Pierce Island

[1:13:43] Trustee Luckham: Rape Pairs Association the heads up.

[1:13:45] Trustee Luckham: So unless there's new information,

[1:13:48] Trustee Luckham: I would just go to trustees to see if they have any questions

[1:13:50] Trustee Luckham: or want to make a motion.

[1:13:52] Voice 16: Chair, I do want to point out that the plan

[1:13:56] Voice 16: plan is to bring back a report later in the year for the second resolution yeah

[1:14:03] Trustee Luckham: understood so uh

[1:14:05] Trustee Luckham: that would be terrific it'd be nice to get that off our plate trustee grove

[1:14:10] Trustee Grove: a bit confuses so

[1:14:11] Trustee Grove: what we're doing thanks for pointing out that this is a may 25th recommendation i haven't

[1:14:15] Trustee Grove: realized that so what is it precisely we're being asked to do here and now um

[1:14:20] Trustee Luckham: recommendation number

[1:14:21] Trustee Luckham: Number two,

[1:14:24] Trustee Grove: regarding bylaw number four, nine, three. That's correct.

[1:14:33] Trustee Grove: And sorry, where are you getting that information from that page 89?

[1:14:38] Trustee Grove: Is that that's what we're being asked to do, right?

[1:14:43] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, but this came to us back in May, as Rob Pringle has just indicated.

[1:14:47] Trustee Luckham: And we already moved and carried the first recommendation.

[1:14:52] Trustee Luckham: And what's remaining is the second recommendation because it was deferred to a future meeting.

[1:14:57] Trustee Luckham: and this is the future meeting.

[1:14:59] Trustee Grove: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:15:00] Trustee Grove: That wasn't clear to me.

[1:15:02] Trustee Grove: So I will move that the Salt Spring Island

[1:15:03] Trustee Grove: Local Trust Committee direct staff

[1:15:04] Trustee Grove: to amend bylaw number 493 cited as

[1:15:07] Trustee Grove: Peers Island official community plan bylaw 1980

[1:15:10] Trustee Grove: amendment number 126 by including

[1:15:12] Trustee Grove: numerical GHG reduction targets.

[1:15:16] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Peter.

[1:15:17] Trustee Luckham: And seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[1:15:20] Trustee Luckham: Do you wish to speak to the motion, Peter?

[1:15:24] Trustee Luckham: No.

[1:15:25] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, do you have any discussion?

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah. Well, I saw we got one piece of the correspondence back from Piers Island. So I will have to, I know they're not keen on this, so we're still going to have to have a conversation with Piers Island. Maybe we'll have to go back and have a meeting there in the fire hall with them in the near future.

[1:15:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sure.

[1:15:48] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I think there will be a requirement for a public hearing, probably because we're

[1:15:53] Trustee Luckham: changing and planner acting regional planners manager Garbo you might be able to advise

[1:15:58] Trustee Luckham: us but I'm presuming this will have to go back to public hearing.

[1:16:02] Voice 16: Correct.

[1:16:03] Voice 16: If it is amending the OCP.

[1:16:06] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[1:16:07] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[1:16:08] Trustee Luckham: So yeah, we'll have a lovely trip to Pierce Island hopefully in store.

[1:16:17] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that's moved and seconded.

[1:16:19] Trustee Luckham: any other discussion then i'll call for the vote all those in favor none opposed that carries thank

[1:16:26] Trustee Luckham: you uh regional planning manager garbo and

[1:16:29] Voice 16: i want to thank rob for saving the day

[1:16:36] Trustee Luckham: okay so at this point we're scheduled to go to our break and we'll be returning at noon

[1:16:42] Trustee Luckham: so um i thank everybody for a great morning we got through all that good stuff and we've got some

[1:16:48] Trustee Luckham: some public engagement coming up

[1:16:50] Trustee Luckham: and some important applications.

[1:16:51] Trustee Luckham: So we'll see everybody at noon

[1:16:53] Trustee Luckham: and I'm trusting, Rob,

[1:16:54] Trustee Luckham: that you will put a note on the screen

[1:16:56] Trustee Luckham: that says returning at noon.

[1:17:00] Trustee Luckham: Bye.

[2:29:32] Trustee Grove: Could someone please defreeze me?

[2:29:35] Trustee Grove: I look as if I've been frozen in time.

[2:29:43] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[2:30:15] Trustee Luckham: Gary Holman thank you for joining us.

[2:30:18] Voice 25: Hi Peter.

[2:30:22] Trustee Luckham: Is it fair for me to presume that you will

[2:30:26] Trustee Luckham: stick around through the Cypress Land Services application?

[2:30:35] Voice 25: I'll try Peter that's

[2:30:40] Voice 25: immediately after the town hall.

[2:30:42] Trustee Luckham: That's correct yeah just that there may be questions from

[2:30:53] Trustee Luckham: trustees with respect to the delivery of the

[2:30:57] Trustee Luckham: across emergency services aspect of it which I know that you're

[2:31:02] Trustee Luckham: interested and concerned about.

[2:31:04] Voice 25: Yeah thanks I think I can

[2:31:05] Voice 25: and you're right I should.

[2:31:15] Trustee Luckham: Okay well we are

[2:31:16] Trustee Luckham: at noon and so let us reconvene our meeting welcome

[2:31:23] Trustee Luckham: everybody my name is Peter Luckum thank you

[2:31:26] Trustee Luckham: the chair of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee thank you for

[2:31:30] Trustee Luckham: joining us today for the afternoon portion of the LTC meeting. Indeed, we looked after

[2:31:37] Trustee Luckham: some administrative matters this morning and provided some direction on a few items. Now

[2:31:42] Trustee Luckham: this is the more public facing aspect of our meeting along with applications and referrals

[2:31:50] Trustee Luckham: that have come to us today.

[2:31:53] Trustee Luckham: We have a couple of delegations,

[2:31:58] Trustee Luckham: Leichter and Atorp will be speaking to us

[2:32:03] Trustee Luckham: prior to the town hall.

[2:32:05] Trustee Luckham: And firstly, however, we are going to go to trustee reports.

[2:32:10] Trustee Luckham: So just want to acknowledge that a great pleasure

[2:32:13] Trustee Luckham: for me to be able to live on the west coast

[2:32:15] Trustee Luckham: of British Columbia, the Coast Salish territory

[2:32:18] Trustee Luckham: of many nations since the beginning of time.

[2:32:22] Trustee Luckham: Our hearts and thoughts go out to the communities

[2:32:24] Trustee Luckham: in this very difficult time of grieving

[2:32:28] Trustee Luckham: and the truth becoming apparent to all of us

[2:32:32] Trustee Luckham: and undeniably what has happened across Canada

[2:32:38] Trustee Luckham: with respect to residential schools.

[2:32:41] Trustee Luckham: And so our thoughts and hearts go out

[2:32:44] Trustee Luckham: to everyone that is impacted with these events.

[2:32:51] Trustee Luckham: I just want to, well, I will mention about meeting decorum

[2:32:57] Trustee Luckham: when we get to the town hall and delegation section.

[2:32:59] Trustee Luckham: So just going to forego that at this moment

[2:33:02] Trustee Luckham: and let's go to trustees for your local reports.

[2:33:06] Trustee Luckham: And I see a trust, who wants to go first today?

[2:33:09] Trustee Luckham: Actually, I think I leave that up to you guys to decide.

[2:33:11] Trustee Luckham: I

[2:33:11] Trustee Grove: believe I, well, Gloria, you're pointing in the wrong direction.

[2:33:15] Trustee Grove: You're pointing at Gary Hillman.

[2:33:19] Trustee Luckham: Depends on how your screen is shuffled.

[2:33:21] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, Peter Grove, over to you.

[2:33:23] Trustee Grove: Thank you very much.

[2:33:25] Trustee Grove: Since we last met, I've attended the Trust Council Town Hall on the policy statement.

[2:33:32] Trustee Grove: That was a lively and an interesting discussion following a lot of concern raised by members

[2:33:38] Trustee Grove: members of the community with regard to that to the process and the contents of that first draft

[2:33:46] Trustee Grove: and we will be addressing those issues I'm quite sure. I attended meetings of the village planning

[2:33:52] Trustee Grove: committee and the housing action committee we talked about those earlier today and they were

[2:33:59] Trustee Grove: interesting and including very competent and hard-working individuals. A meeting of the local

[2:34:07] Trustee Grove: trust committee with the local agricultural group they had concerns about how the the draft policy

[2:34:14] Trustee Grove: statement which has been circulating and it appeared to them not to really pay enough weight

[2:34:20] Trustee Grove: to the agricultural needs of our community um i like everyone i suspect when day what 41 is or

[2:34:30] Trustee Grove: is it 42 now without um rain that's a serious concern not only and i've become more and more

[2:34:38] Trustee Grove: aware every day of the motto make every drop count and I really we strive to do that in my

[2:34:45] Trustee Grove: household and as I'm sure everybody else does and of course fire concerns and basically I've

[2:34:54] Trustee Grove: been surviving nine members of family living in our house for 10 days including a two and a four

[2:35:01] Trustee Grove: four-year-old. So it's been quite an exhausting adventure. But thank you. That is my report.

[2:35:07] Trustee Grove: And over to you, Laura Patrick.

[2:35:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you. Thank you, Peter. I thought, yes, I'll start with the

[2:35:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): federation level trust policy statement and just repeat some things that I put in the article that

[2:35:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I put the driftwood a couple of weeks ago. So again, the policy statement is the high level

[2:35:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): federation document that's meant to be a high level guiding principles for our policies for

[2:35:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): all of our local trust committees or all the work that uh islands trust does um i have heard a

[2:35:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): number of things as i've met with various uh groups and people and um you know i i am hearing

[2:35:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that people would like to see the policy statement written in plain plain language to you know be

[2:35:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand kind of goal-driven even possibly inspirational um there's concern would like to

[2:35:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): see the removing of the prohibition on docks. I think people understand and know the restrictions

[2:36:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we have today and highly respect those. Again, agricultural and local food production

[2:36:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): are vital. And I absolutely fundamentally agree. And I really thank, again, the Ag Alliance for

[2:36:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): their June 22nd letter and fully intend to support the requests that they've made for adding in two

[2:36:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): policies that had been in the previous policy statement also have heard about removing the

[2:36:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): prohibition on desalination of desalination plants and also lots of questions of saying

[2:36:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): why wasn't i consulted and i know island stress fully intended and will do engagement coming

[2:36:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): coming and we have stopped both peter luckham and i are on the executive committee

[2:36:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we just passed a motion this week asking staff to look at an engagement process that

[2:36:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): is a participatory democracy that public input is integral to the next draft of the policy statement

[2:37:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that engagement be tailored to the different islands so we are expecting an engagement plan

[2:37:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): will come to the september trust council meeting which is late i think september 21st or so and

[2:37:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): is when they're meeting again and that they'll decide on the next steps of engagement and i know

[2:37:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Now, I believe that the engagement is more important than schedule, that we want to make sure we have an engagement process that truly does listen and help shape where we're going.

[2:37:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so stay tuned. More to come. But in the meantime, if you do want to make comments on the draft that is out there, it is out there.

[2:37:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's available on our website. So if you if you'd like to, please like the Agricultural Alliance, be specific, make comments that are helpful.

[2:37:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): and um and you can send those to the islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca i've attended a number of

[2:37:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): events uh transition salt spring had brought in dr richard hebda and dr andy mckinnon to talk about

[2:38:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): the changes to our island ecosystems um and it was really fascinating just talking about what we

[2:38:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): each of us can do on our land is uh as we um see changes that are occurring how to recognize those

[2:38:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): those changes and what to do to keep moisture in the ground as much as

[2:38:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): possible. So if I think, I don't know if that's available by tape,

[2:38:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): but if it is, I really encourage you to,

[2:38:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): both of those doctors are extremely interesting to listen to.

[2:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): The CRD and Salt Spring Fire Rescue had an event called Living with Wildfire.

[2:38:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): Again, very informative, very interesting.

[2:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): interesting um Jonathan Reimer from the CRD and Mitchell Sharon from the fire department both

[2:38:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): extremely knowledgeable on what they do I thought they really helped the community understand

[2:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): fire behavior how to be prepared and what to do next I think that it has been taped and will be

[2:38:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): available to look at highly encourage that you do watch that um and Mitchell also has some programs

[2:39:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): where he's happy to come to your house

[2:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): and help you make sure

[2:39:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): that you've done what you can

[2:39:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be fire smart.

[2:39:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think there's also a program

[2:39:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): for your communities and neighborhoods.

[2:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): So get active in that area.

[2:39:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've been to a number of Islands Trust

[2:39:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Federation level meetings.

[2:39:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've had two executive meetings.

[2:39:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): We had a joint executive meeting

[2:39:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the Trust Conservancy Board.

[2:39:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): We do that annually.

[2:39:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): And Trust Council itself

[2:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): had the special meeting there in July

[2:39:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): to talk about the trust policy statement.

[2:39:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'm sure you've heard

[2:39:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): We delayed first reading. I've met with the Maracaibo Strata members and the policy statement,

[2:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I'm happy to meet with any group that wants to meet to talk about the policy statement or

[2:39:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other matters. So please, please reach out to me. For the Local Trust Committee, we had the

[2:39:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Joint Ag Alliance Agriculture Advisory Committee meeting with the Local Trust Committee, and we

[2:40:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): directed staff to come back with some options to amend bylaws to accommodate the ALC's

[2:40:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): july 12th announcement on the residential flexibility in consideration of the 2020

[2:40:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): area farm plan so that was a good announcement to see and hopefully i think the ag alliance are

[2:40:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): and ag members in our community are looking forward to what we can do to implement those

[2:40:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): i also want to thank all the task force members that are working on the committees and

[2:40:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, um, um, I'm, you know, it's always bumpy starts.

[2:40:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's what, that's, that's how groups come together, storm form, norm perform.

[2:40:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, uh, I'm looking forward to getting to the performing stage.

[2:40:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know we can do it.

[2:40:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I know we all care so deeply about the Island and the Ganges village and our housing

[2:40:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): action issues.

[2:40:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'm really looking forward to, um, those are groups working, um, are moving, moving

[2:40:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): things forward.

[2:40:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Um, and I know we can, um, other Island's trust committees.

[2:41:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've chaired both the Saturna and South Pender meetings.

[2:41:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've got North Pender Thursday and Theta's next week.

[2:41:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's always busy with the other islands,

[2:41:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I always learn so much.

[2:41:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's my report.

[2:41:17] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Laura.

[2:41:22] Trustee Luckham: I don't want to sound much like a broken record,

[2:41:25] Trustee Luckham: but indeed I've attended a number of similar meetings

[2:41:30] Trustee Luckham: the other local trustees have.

[2:41:32] Trustee Luckham: have. Indeed, however, though, I would like to remark on our July 7th and 8th meeting

[2:41:42] Trustee Luckham: including the Town Hall on the Wednesday evening. Unfortunately, the power did go out for quite

[2:41:55] Trustee Luckham: a number of the Southern Gulf Islands and that affected a number of people that wished

[2:42:00] Trustee Luckham: to participate. But I chose to continue on, given the number of people that remained apparently

[2:42:09] Trustee Luckham: online during that power outage, which represented a significant contingent of staff and trustees,

[2:42:19] Trustee Luckham: as well as a significant number of people across the trust area. I think 145 people that were on

[2:42:27] Trustee Luckham: the participants list and the google analytics later uh uh did indicate to us that there was

[2:42:33] Trustee Luckham: over 300 people that were viewing and uh probably uh only 10 percent of that the total um were

[2:42:39] Trustee Luckham: actually disconnected during that time and it is our full intention to continue to do this outreach

[2:42:45] Trustee Luckham: um and to uh engage with the community and hear um everything that there is to be said about the

[2:42:52] Trustee Luckham: policy statement and and then indeed incorporate and act accordingly. And then as many of you will

[2:42:59] Trustee Luckham: know we did defer that first reading and I'm just having to think here it's entirely likely

[2:43:08] Trustee Luckham: that that will be deferred even further to allow for a really full in-depth conversation with

[2:43:16] Trustee Luckham: community and the ability to make adjustments to the policy statement draft as it is presently.

[2:43:23] Trustee Luckham: many of you will have noticed and know as we do that no amendments were made to the policy

[2:43:30] Trustee Luckham: statement of the July 8th meeting there was certainly lots of desire to do that but given

[2:43:36] Trustee Luckham: the amount of dialogue at the council table the we simply ran out of time and that's not a bad

[2:43:47] Trustee Luckham: thing although we running out of time was a bad thing not having made the amendments is not so

[2:43:52] Trustee Luckham: so much a bad thing because the document continues to live on as it is and we will now through the

[2:43:57] Trustee Luckham: engagement process that we're participating in ideally get more input into what's right and

[2:44:03] Trustee Luckham: what's wrong with that document and we will embrace all of that in the next version so

[2:44:10] Trustee Luckham: it's not perfect in many people's minds mine included however it is a working document that

[2:44:18] Trustee Luckham: that we're gonna continue to work with.

[2:44:19] Trustee Luckham: So grateful for everybody that has communicated

[2:44:22] Trustee Luckham: with us on this and we look forward

[2:44:24] Trustee Luckham: to more of that conversation.

[2:44:26] Trustee Luckham: So moving on from that, the Governance Committee

[2:44:29] Trustee Luckham: met on the 12th,

[2:44:32] Trustee Luckham: the Governance and Management Review Committee,

[2:44:34] Trustee Luckham: we've brought in a third party consultant

[2:44:35] Trustee Luckham: to look at how it is that we're doing better

[2:44:37] Trustee Luckham: in order to provide advice on how it is

[2:44:41] Trustee Luckham: that we might do better on delivering

[2:44:43] Trustee Luckham: on the preserve and protect mandate

[2:44:45] Trustee Luckham: and that work is undergoing.

[2:44:46] Trustee Luckham: going uh interviews with uh all trustees are underway and uh and local and other government

[2:44:53] Trustee Luckham: agencies and we expect that report to come um late much later in the year with the final report

[2:45:02] Trustee Luckham: being delivered early uh next year so we look forward to that outcome um

[2:45:08] Trustee Luckham: uh there was an executive committee and island trust conservancy meeting um also that week um

[2:45:16] Trustee Luckham: that was an opportunity for the Conservancy to dialogue with the Executive Committee

[2:45:20] Trustee Luckham: about priorities and topics of importance for both of us to be working together on advancing

[2:45:28] Trustee Luckham: the interests of the Conservancy. I really enjoyed the meeting at near the end of the week there on

[2:45:36] Trustee Luckham: the Thursday with the Ag Alliance and the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission.

[2:45:42] Trustee Luckham: Those are really meaningful and helpful conversations, dialogue, where we get to have the opportunity to hear what the priorities are on Salt Spring for agriculture.

[2:45:54] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, I appreciate the message that sustainable agriculture, as characterized in some of our documents, is not necessarily supportive of local food production.

[2:46:05] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, what we want to do is support local food production.

[2:46:09] Trustee Luckham: So, appreciate that messaging, frequent and often, and we will do what we can to support agriculture on Salt Spring, as Trustee Patrick has suggested, with respect to policy statement amendments.

[2:46:27] Trustee Luckham: There's been a lot of other things ongoing. Certainly, drought and wildfire are of great concern. Drought, particularly, a lot of attention being drawn to it.

[2:46:37] Trustee Luckham: My message to everybody is conserve, make sure any vulnerabilities in your water systems are looked after, because if we have water and we lose it because of a failure of a pipe, which I know happens, it has happened even on my own island, where pipes have heated up on these hot days and burst, and an entire water tank is drained.

[2:47:01] Trustee Luckham: we can't afford that kind of loss of water and of course it's not just about water for people

[2:47:08] Trustee Luckham: to drink it's about water that's so critically environment environmentally important to keep

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham: this endangered species in the habitat including the coastal douglas fir zone healthy and integral

[2:47:23] Trustee Luckham: so that they too can survive through this drought period which is but it looks a bit far from over

[2:47:30] Trustee Luckham: So conserve every drop. If you're visiting the islands, I recommend bringing your own water

[2:47:36] Trustee Luckham: because it will be in short supply. The only other thing I note, just not within the jurisdiction of

[2:47:45] Trustee Luckham: the Islands Trust, is COVID infections are going up and the message from the federal government

[2:47:50] Trustee Luckham: today is less than 0.5% of all those that are infected have had a vaccination. So the message

[2:47:59] Trustee Luckham: just continues to be let's get vaccinated let's reach 100 let's reach something above and beyond

[2:48:06] Trustee Luckham: where we are because the number of people getting ill is overwhelming our health care system

[2:48:12] Trustee Luckham: and my thoughts actually go out to the health care system on salt spring because i know there's

[2:48:16] Trustee Luckham: some difficulties with the facility managing the facility there with labor and resources and

[2:48:22] Trustee Luckham: hopefully we can all continue to survive through these difficult times and absolutely thanking all

[2:48:27] Trustee Luckham: the frontline workers that continue to have to practice safe procedures. That's enough for me,

[2:48:33] Trustee Luckham: for sure. Let's go to Gary Holman, Director of the Capital Regional District.

[2:48:39] Voice 25: Thank you, Peter, and again, thanks for allowing me to participate. As all of the trustees have

[2:48:51] Voice 25: indicated, we are living in some difficult times from a whole number of perspectives,

[2:48:57] Voice 25: And it's challenging, not just to our residents, but governments at all levels about how to respond. And certainly with respect to drought and fire risk, these aren't, you know, they are regular occurrences, but it seems every summer the situation gets progressively more severe.

[2:49:24] Voice 25: and and we can look forward to uh to that trend continuing and we need to respond uh as as local

[2:49:33] Voice 25: governments uh just a few comments uh the the rogers uh crest tower is on later on the agenda

[2:49:41] Voice 25: and i'll stay in the meeting to uh participate if that's helpful and any discussion around that

[2:49:48] Voice 25: that as the local trust committee knows,

[2:49:51] Voice 25: I support this proposal.

[2:49:53] Voice 25: I do understand concerns of nearby residents,

[2:49:58] Voice 25: of others with health concerns.

[2:50:00] Voice 25: I understand and acknowledge those,

[2:50:02] Voice 25: but I'm still of the belief given all things considered

[2:50:07] Voice 25: that this proposal is in the broad public interest.

[2:50:11] Voice 25: And as you know, all of the first responders,

[2:50:15] Voice 25: all of the emergency responders on Salt Spring

[2:50:17] Voice 25: have individually communicated with the trust

[2:50:20] Voice 25: indicating their support,

[2:50:22] Voice 25: particularly for the crest component of the proposal.

[2:50:27] Voice 25: I wanted to make just a quick comment about water.

[2:50:30] Voice 25: There have been public comments by North Salt Spring,

[2:50:36] Voice 25: the chair of North Salt Spring regarding

[2:50:37] Voice 25: the ongoing discussions, hopefully ongoing discussions

[2:50:43] Voice 25: discussions um between the water district the province and CRD about the possibility of North

[2:50:50] Voice 25: Salt Spring converting to a CRD entity and also the possibility of an island-wide utility uh

[2:50:57] Voice 25: the the chair of North Salt Spring has indicated um their concern about um CRD not supporting a

[2:51:08] Voice 25: a so-called independent entity within the CRD,

[2:51:13] Voice 25: which is a bit of an oxymoron,

[2:51:14] Voice 25: but I just want to inform the local trust committee and the public that as

[2:51:19] Voice 25: far as I'm concerned, as far as CRD is concerned,

[2:51:22] Voice 25: and the province is concerned we're hoping these discussions can continue.

[2:51:27] Voice 25: And in fact,

[2:51:28] Voice 25: the province has sent an email to North Salt Spring urging them to continue

[2:51:34] Voice 25: discussions to try and address their concerns around local control the north salt spring is

[2:51:40] Voice 25: is is worried about losing local control to the the crd um i don't believe i believe we can address

[2:51:49] Voice 25: those concerns and also uh regarding commitments um for infrastructure funding which in my view

[2:51:57] Voice 25: is really the probably the most important um implication of of conversion which it means

[2:52:03] Voice 25: North Salt Spring would be eligible for infrastructure funding which they aren't now

[2:52:07] Voice 25: and they have as with other water districts on Salt Spring including those leaky distribution

[2:52:13] Voice 25: systems that Chair Luckum alluded to earlier. North Salt Spring has some significant

[2:52:22] Voice 25: infrastructure requirements going out into the future and eligibility for infrastructure funding

[2:52:29] Voice 25: would be very important so bottom line is we're hoping those discussions can continue and that

[2:52:35] Voice 25: we can address north salt springs uh concern i did want to mention the booth canal pathway

[2:52:40] Voice 25: uh trustees may have been either hearing of or being directly contacted about safety concerns

[2:52:48] Voice 25: around the the pathway and i won't get into the devil in the detail but the transportation

[2:52:52] Voice 25: commission has been very clear and they've directed staff to come back with uh suggestions

[2:52:58] Voice 25: to address those concerns the design for the the pathway passed through three levels of engineering

[2:53:06] Voice 25: our local engineer the consulting engineer Stantec who designed the pathway and MOT engineers

[2:53:14] Voice 25: nevertheless there there are still some concerns and the commission has directed staff to to deal

[2:53:22] Voice 25: deal with them and come back with a report at our September meeting. A couple of other

[2:53:28] Voice 25: transportation related items. The Transportation Commission and staff are working with their

[2:53:37] Voice 25: proponent to develop a bus shelter on Salt Spring, a 3D printed bus shelter on Mowbray and Vesuvius

[2:53:47] Voice 25: Road, I believe the first 3D printed shelter in Canada. So that's received approval by the

[2:53:55] Voice 25: commission. We've approved funding. Staff are working with the proponent, which is a private

[2:54:01] Voice 25: engineering consulting firm. We received our report from BC Transit regarding the review of

[2:54:08] Voice 25: our transit system. And BC Transit has come back to the commission with recommendations for five

[2:54:16] Voice 25: improvements which range from low cost to no cost to improvements that would require a couple of

[2:54:23] Voice 25: additional buses and substantial uh additional costs on an ongoing uh basis so the commission

[2:54:30] Voice 25: will be considering those uh proposals also um at its uh september meeting uh the commission

[2:54:38] Voice 25: the transportation commission has also now approved uh funding and support to hire a

[2:54:45] Voice 25: consultant to develop a transportation plan for Ganges Village as part of the Ganges Village

[2:54:52] Voice 25: planning process that has been initiated by the trust. We're applying for grant funding,

[2:54:58] Voice 25: but regardless, we'll find a way to fund that work. It's essential. It's an essential part of

[2:55:03] Voice 25: a Ganges Village plan. And the consultant will work not just with the commission, but also with

[2:55:09] Voice 25: with the trust advisory committee and with the public

[2:55:12] Voice 25: to develop an overall plan for the village.

[2:55:16] Voice 25: This is how the North Ganges transportation plan started

[2:55:19] Voice 25: with the hiring of a consultant to do a concept plan

[2:55:23] Voice 25: and initiate a public consultation

[2:55:26] Voice 25: and then you proceed through to final designs.

[2:55:31] Voice 25: I did wanna mention on the affordable housing front,

[2:55:37] Voice 25: front i i note that uh there is an application for first reading uh of uh for the dragonfly

[2:55:48] Voice 25: affordable housing proposal on drake road and for the record i i want the trust committee to know

[2:55:53] Voice 25: that i i support this application in in principle i know there are concerns around water and other

[2:55:59] Voice 25: issues but but I I hope the local Trust Committee can find its way to provide

[2:56:05] Voice 25: first reading I think it's just there's two bylaws involved and just one

[2:56:11] Voice 25: requires rescinding and first reading and I hope the Trust Committee can can

[2:56:17] Voice 25: move forward on that and and we will get into the devil in the detail obviously

[2:56:21] Voice 25: on water transportation other issues as we move forward through the process

[2:56:27] Voice 25: related to housing the electoral area committee

[2:56:34] Voice 25: for the CRD now has recommended to staff,

[2:56:37] Voice 25: to CRD staff to come back with a report

[2:56:41] Voice 25: on the implications of business licensing

[2:56:45] Voice 25: for tourism accommodation in the Southern Gulf Islands

[2:56:49] Voice 25: that would include both Salt Spring

[2:56:51] Voice 25: and Southern Gulf Islands electoral areas.

[2:56:54] Voice 25: And this was a request brought to the CRD by the trust.

[2:56:58] Voice 25: So the electoral area committee has supported that request and asked for a

[2:57:02] Voice 25: staff report on that. That will be coming back. I mean, it were, you know,

[2:57:06] Voice 25: we're adding to their workload. I'm not sure when it will come back.

[2:57:11] Voice 25: I expect before the, before the new year, but that, that, that,

[2:57:15] Voice 25: that staff report will be forthcoming.

[2:57:19] Voice 25: I did want to mention the change in agricultural land reserve policy regarding cottages, and the province has announced that those, I believe those changes will be implemented the 1st, January 1st, 2022.

[2:57:37] Voice 25: And that does have some positive implication, not just for farmers to support them and their operations, but also regarding affordable housing on Salt Spring.

[2:57:49] Voice 25: And my understanding is I believe local government and this would be the trust still play a role in approving that provision.

[2:58:00] Voice 25: And so I'm not sure what that approval process involves, but I'm very supportive of those changes and hope we can find a way to facilitate them on Salt Spring.

[2:58:14] Voice 25: And just finally, one affordable housing related issue.

[2:58:20] Voice 25: I contacted the Greater Victoria Social Planning Council, who on a pilot project basis are operating what's called a rent bank.

[2:58:31] Voice 25: And Salt Spring is actually eligible for support under that program.

[2:58:39] Voice 25: uh it it's uh i believe it goes until the until march of next year and then uh hopefully it can

[2:58:47] Voice 25: be continued the funding is always an issue but hopefully we can find a way to extend funding

[2:58:53] Voice 25: but uh for now renters uh who are experiencing short-term difficulty can apply to the greater

[2:59:01] Voice 25: victoria social planning council for short-term financial assistance uh there are several partners

[2:59:08] Voice 25: on Salt Spring who've been alerted and who will work with the rent bank and that's our local

[2:59:14] Voice 25: community services society, Islanders Working Against Violence and also Copper Kettle so they

[2:59:22] Voice 25: they're all connected now with the the community council and their email is community or you can

[2:59:30] Voice 25: find their website communitycouncil.ca and for renters experiencing difficulty

[2:59:35] Voice 25: difficulty, you can go to the website for details about how to apply for that program.

[2:59:44] Voice 25: So hopefully that may be of assistance to some folks on Salisbury, and hopefully we

[2:59:49] Voice 25: can find a way to fund it in the long term.

[2:59:51] Voice 25: Thanks very much for allowing me to report that.

[2:59:57] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Gary, for a very

[3:00:00] Trustee Luckham: fulsome, interesting report. Appreciate that. Lots going on in your world, I can see.

[3:00:05] Trustee Luckham: All right, then. So at this juncture, I'm going to go to delegations in town hall,

[3:00:12] Trustee Luckham: and would just like to make the following remarks, I guess. In order to ensure a safe and respectful

[3:00:21] Trustee Luckham: environment and workplace, as chair of this committee, I am committed to ensuring that

[3:00:28] Trustee Luckham: that all people who speak at this meeting

[3:00:29] Trustee Luckham: are treated fairly, respectfully,

[3:00:31] Trustee Luckham: and that language we use will reflect that.

[3:00:34] Trustee Luckham: No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated.

[3:00:37] Trustee Luckham: We will all take responsibility

[3:00:39] Trustee Luckham: to create a safe, inclusive environment

[3:00:41] Trustee Luckham: for everyone to participate and be respected.

[3:00:45] Trustee Luckham: Members of this committee may call a point of order

[3:00:49] Trustee Luckham: if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[3:00:52] Trustee Luckham: The chair may mute the speaker

[3:00:54] Trustee Luckham: and ask that their language be adjusted before continuing.

[3:00:57] Trustee Luckham: Comments that include criticism or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory and are not allowed.

[3:01:04] Trustee Luckham: All comments should be accurate and direct.

[3:01:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for helping make this a safe environment for all.

[3:01:14] Trustee Luckham: So we have two delegations, Maxine Leichter, concerning the vortex development.

[3:01:21] Trustee Luckham: And so we'll turn the floor over to her.

[3:01:24] Trustee Luckham: And I understand that she has a slide that she is going to show as well.

[3:01:29] Trustee Luckham: Is that correct, Rob?

[3:01:33] Voice 7: That is correct.

[3:01:34] Voice 7: She is a panelist here.

[3:01:37] Voice 7: We have our Maxine.

[3:01:38] Voice 7: Just let me know when you'd like me to start screen sharing.

[3:01:45] Trustee Luckham: You'll have to turn on your microphone, Maxine.

[3:01:55] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:01:55] Voice 14: There you go.

[3:01:56] Voice 14: I wasn't prepared to put the slide on the screen.

[3:01:59] Voice 14: When you said you couldn't post it, I emailed it to the trustees.

[3:02:05] Voice 14: aha that's

[3:02:09] Voice 14: it yeah

[3:02:10] Trustee Luckham: perfect okay so over

[3:02:14] Voice 14: to you Maxine okay so this presentation is about the

[3:02:19] Voice 14: vortex development at the Fulford Insight at the head of Fulford Harbor and this map I'm showing

[3:02:28] Voice 14: you is what will happen with a half a meter sea level rise according to CRD's coastal sea level

[3:02:35] Voice 14: level rise risk assessment report and if you look at that you can see that the water is coming over

[3:02:42] Voice 14: the main highway I hope you can tell and it intrudes into the site that we're talking about

[3:02:53] Voice 14: so I don't think we can pass this off as something happening in the distant future

[3:02:58] Voice 14: recent heat waves show that extreme effects of climate change are right here now

[3:03:02] Voice 14: and that we just heard this week that the Greenland ice sheet is melting much faster than

[3:03:08] Voice 14: as predicted. So sea level rise will be here soon, first occasionally and then more often.

[3:03:14] Voice 14: Now, Fulford Harbor is already under environmental stress. Fisheries and Oceans Canada tell us they

[3:03:20] Voice 14: test the water five times a year and the result has been shellfish harvesting closure since 1995

[3:03:27] Voice 14: due to coliform in the harbor.

[3:03:30] Voice 14: The question is, will the Local Trust Committee

[3:03:33] Voice 14: protect the environment or will you allow this project,

[3:03:37] Voice 14: which in my opinion, could further harm the environment?

[3:03:41] Voice 14: The staff report on August of 2019

[3:03:45] Voice 14: clearly recommended against this proposal.

[3:03:48] Voice 14: And I quote, staff do not support this variance request

[3:03:53] Voice 14: and consider it to be contrary to land use bylaw

[3:03:57] Voice 14: and ocp provisions for water quality protection the reasons they gave were it's adjacent to a

[3:04:04] Voice 14: fish-bearing stream and a sensitive estuarine ecosystem the project is subject to climate

[3:04:10] Voice 14: change-induced flooding the presence of the recorded presence of archaeological site

[3:04:15] Voice 14: so all in all i just really don't understand why these warnings were not heeded the trust

[3:04:23] Voice 14: Trust bylaw regulations require a minimum setback of 30 meters, a safety margin based on scientific research.

[3:04:32] Voice 14: But staff reports stated even this setback is outdated due to sea level rise projections.

[3:04:39] Voice 14: But local trust committee gave a variance to allow the septic system closer even than even the current inadequate setbacks allow.

[3:04:50] Voice 14: allow. The reason? The developer's consultants said it would be fine. Our staff stated, quote,

[3:05:00] Voice 14: the proposed development site may also be impacted by other climate change hazards,

[3:05:09] Voice 14: including increased wave action and slope instability. There's quite a steep slope

[3:05:13] Voice 14: behind the site. This is supported by the map before you, which shows the majority of the lot,

[3:05:21] Voice 14: including all the road in front will be covered by seawater. The same trust staff report states

[3:05:27] Voice 14: that according to the trust senior freshwater specialist, the site is sensitive to quote

[3:05:33] Voice 14: potentially tidal dominated groundwater table. That means saltwater coming in underneath the

[3:05:41] Voice 14: ground. That's why the trust staff gave trustees the option of asking for a hydrology study along

[3:05:48] Voice 14: along with a professional biologist report and an environmental protection plan that addresses

[3:05:53] Voice 14: the impact on the wetland, shoreline estuary, and freshwater systems, it's really shocking

[3:05:59] Voice 14: that you chose to skip these steps. You had the choice to deny, but instead you approved the

[3:06:06] Voice 14: variance. Can anyone really think a septic system will function adequately when seawater is coming

[3:06:13] Voice 14: in underneath it or it is flooded? Who is looking out for the marine life in and around

[3:06:19] Voice 14: Colport Harbour as our OCP requires? Why have you not adopted the precautionary principle

[3:06:27] Voice 14: as specified in our OCP? I want to point out one more consideration.

[3:06:32] Voice 14: The zoning allows the units developed here to be sold as timeshares. The developer may sell

[3:06:39] Voice 14: the units to 17 families who will eventually be flooded and lose their investment. They will buy

[3:06:46] Voice 14: this thinking that the local trust committee would not allow a development subject to flooding.

[3:06:53] Voice 14: Lots of people here think their government is looking after them until they find out it isn't.

[3:07:00] Voice 14: We hear over and over how much the trustees care about the environment.

[3:07:04] Voice 14: Now is the time to turn those words into action.

[3:07:08] Voice 14: This project will be coming back to you again soon.

[3:07:12] Voice 14: If you really care about the environment,

[3:07:14] Voice 14: the health of Wolfwood Harbor,

[3:07:16] Voice 14: the security of future investors,

[3:07:19] Voice 14: I urge you to find a way to get this development

[3:07:22] Voice 14: and its systems, septic system,

[3:07:24] Voice 14: out of the tidal influence and flood prone area.

[3:07:28] Voice 14: Great sounding declarations need to be backed up by action,

[3:07:32] Voice 14: even when that action is hard to take. Will the development of this property hurt or hinder the

[3:07:38] Voice 14: health of Fort Worth Harbor? It's up to you. Thank you.

[3:07:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for your presentation. Thank you

[3:07:46] Trustee Luckham: for the slide. So our next speaker here is Mr. Atorp, concerning the Vortex development also.

[3:07:57] Trustee Luckham: And you have five minutes as a delegate to speak. So go ahead, sir.

[3:08:08] Voice 7: just promoting him now chair thank

[3:08:11] Voice 20: you can you hello um go ahead i

[3:08:36] Voice 23: can't hear anything

[3:08:39] Trustee Luckham: uh well we can hear you okay

[3:08:42] Voice 23: well i'll read what i've got then thank you

[3:08:44] Voice 23: uh i don't know technical difficulties um if you can hear me that's all that matters

[3:08:51] Trustee Luckham: we can hear thank you go ahead

[3:08:53] Voice 23: okay sorry to keep you waiting um yeah one of the i'm just

[3:08:59] Voice 23: I've been have similar concerns as Maxine uh now my one of my big concerns is the contaminants in

[3:09:07] Voice 23: the septic effluent and I go on the internet and I find all kinds of stuff like from environmental

[3:09:13] Voice 23: science and technology for example wastewater effluent is the primary source of pharmaceuticals

[3:09:21] Voice 23: hormones consumer product chemicals and other organic wastewater compounds commonly detected

[3:09:27] Voice 23: in surface water, groundwater and drinking water.

[3:09:31] Voice 23: To maximize the removal of these compounds,

[3:09:33] Voice 23: onsite treatment systems, land use

[3:09:36] Voice 23: and water waste management planning

[3:09:39] Voice 23: should ensure adequate vertical separation

[3:09:42] Voice 23: between leach lines and seasonally high water tables

[3:09:46] Voice 23: and maximize lateral distances

[3:09:49] Voice 23: between septic systems and water bodies.

[3:09:52] Voice 23: And of course, these setbacks have all been reduced,

[3:09:57] Voice 23: even though the setbacks are already deemed outdated.

[3:10:02] Voice 23: Climate change may exacerbate OWC discharges from septic systems,

[3:10:08] Voice 23: particularly in coastal zones with rising water tables.

[3:10:12] Voice 23: So that's from environmental science and technology.

[3:10:17] Voice 23: Okay, what about the, Maxine mentioned the fisheries,

[3:10:20] Voice 23: but it must be noted in the harbor,

[3:10:23] Voice 23: while fisheries and oceans monitor the harbor for all coliform,

[3:10:27] Voice 23: form, they do not test for organic wastewater compounds, such as pharmaceuticals, hormones,

[3:10:33] Voice 23: cleaners, and personal care products. Nor do they monitor fish populations and other marine life in

[3:10:39] Voice 23: the harbor, including bird populations. The fact that the overall health of the harbor was not

[3:10:45] Voice 23: given full consideration shows that the LTC was not looking at the application through a peephole,

[3:10:51] Voice 23: rather, was looking at the application through a peephole rather than a wider lens. Indeed,

[3:10:58] Voice 23: Some of those attending the LTC meeting when the variances were approved reported that fish were not even discussed at the meeting.

[3:11:08] Voice 23: There's the Fisheries Act, the new one.

[3:11:10] Voice 23: The new Fisheries Act requires the minister to consider whether proposed development projects give priority to the restoration of degraded fish habitats.

[3:11:20] Voice 23: Since the property has clearly been degraded by previous owners who imported fill to create a building site,

[3:11:28] Voice 23: why did trustees not make ecosystem restoration a priority, rather than bend over backwards to

[3:11:36] Voice 23: accommodate a development proposal that warranted so many red flags from trust staff? Okay, trust

[3:11:44] Voice 23: climate emergency. On March 25th, 2019, the Islands Trust joined local governments around

[3:11:53] Voice 23: the world in declaring a climate change emergency. That was on March 25th. The Salt Spring LTC

[3:12:00] Voice 23: The LTC issued the septic variants on December 17th, 2019,

[3:12:05] Voice 23: nine months after the climate emergency was declared.

[3:12:08] Voice 23: So where are the actions to back up the words,

[3:12:12] Voice 23: where's the precautionary principle, et cetera.

[3:12:17] Voice 23: One other point, trustees use unfettered power

[3:12:22] Voice 23: to bypass the OCP.

[3:12:23] Voice 23: It says in the staff report,

[3:12:25] Voice 23: the LTC has unfettered discretion

[3:12:27] Voice 23: discretion with respect to the DVP issuance.

[3:12:31] Voice 23: However, the OCP states that the OCP will be implemented

[3:12:35] Voice 23: through the existing processes by which the LTC considers

[3:12:39] Voice 23: applications for temporary commercial

[3:12:42] Voice 23: and industrial use permits, development variance permits

[3:12:46] Voice 23: and strata conversions.

[3:12:47] Voice 23: So that's how the OCP is implemented.

[3:12:52] Voice 23: But we see that trustees use unfettered discretion

[3:12:56] Voice 23: just to override the whole thing.

[3:12:59] Voice 23: uh yeah what happened to our ocp and all its guidelines finally last point this is not a rural

[3:13:07] Voice 23: development uh it is an urban development in every sense it's got 17 motels or tourist accommodations

[3:13:15] Voice 23: restaurant retail space blah blah blah i mean it's an urban development with a massive septic field

[3:13:24] Voice 23: and I feel it's going to pollute the harbour and it's going to get flooded I don't know an

[3:13:31] Voice 23: insurance company on the planet who's going to go near that something that's going to be

[3:13:37] Voice 23: underwater but anyway thank you for listening today guys well

[3:13:43] Trustee Luckham: thank you Mr. Atrop for your

[3:13:45] Trustee Luckham: presentation and concerns about the fish habitat and marine environment appreciate that okay so

[3:13:52] Trustee Luckham: So now we're going to go to town hall and questions.

[3:13:55] Trustee Luckham: And we have a few members of the public here with us today.

[3:13:59] Trustee Luckham: I'll just advise some of the names I recognize as applicants today.

[3:14:03] Trustee Luckham: It's not necessary for applicants to speak to the application here.

[3:14:07] Trustee Luckham: You'll be provided an opportunity when we come to your application.

[3:14:11] Trustee Luckham: But I'm going to ask now for anybody that wishes to address the local trust committee

[3:14:16] Trustee Luckham: with respect to issues within its jurisdiction.

[3:14:20] Trustee Luckham: if you could raise your digital hand which is at the bottom of the screen if you move your mouse

[3:14:25] Trustee Luckham: down there there'll be a raised hand icon and if you're coming in by phone as an attendee then you

[3:14:32] Trustee Luckham: can also hit pound nine I believe it is to to get our attention and we'll come to you in due course

[3:14:42] Trustee Luckham: so the I have a list of speakers here now I have Wayne Hewitt Hubert Court and Lynn and so I'm

[3:14:49] Trustee Luckham: to go with Wayne Hewitt first over to you Wayne for two minutes if you don't mind can

[3:14:59] Voice 21: you hear me

[3:15:00] Voice 4: yes we

[3:15:00] Voice 4: can first of all I support the Crest Tower application but what I'm going to talk about a bit

[3:15:09] Voice 4: is 570 Blackburn Road the temporary use permit I hope when you do your that you do not approve

[3:15:17] Voice 4: this temporary use permit I have great concerns that basically we spent four years doing a

[3:15:23] Voice 4: watershed management plan and a lot of community effort and volunteers and we were also working

[3:15:30] Voice 4: with dev apps who came down here for every meeting in the evenings and we did that for four years and

[3:15:35] Voice 4: it was a lot of work and then we come around and nobody basically pays any attention to it

[3:15:40] Voice 4: so that's my first thing we tried to register the drink water protection act and the government has

[3:15:45] Voice 4: never registered a watershed management plan done so i do have real concerns one of my big concerns

[3:15:52] Voice 4: is now okay it's great I'm really glad to hear that he moved the fuel tanks and I hope you turn

[3:15:56] Voice 4: down this application for temporary use permit but if you decide because it's your decision

[3:16:02] Voice 4: that to move forward on this that what about all the materials and oil and all the things that are

[3:16:10] Voice 4: required basically to run a successful excavating business and keep your machines operating and

[3:16:16] Voice 4: and without a lot of maintenance and breakdown.

[3:16:19] Voice 4: And I have a real concern about any of these being spilt

[3:16:22] Voice 4: on the property or any kind of work being done

[3:16:25] Voice 4: and you're storing stuff in bigger quantities.

[3:16:29] Voice 4: I'm sure they're not going to be in little port cans.

[3:16:32] Voice 4: They'll be in big quantities

[3:16:33] Voice 4: because that's the only way it can economically viable

[3:16:35] Voice 4: for a business to operate.

[3:16:38] Voice 4: But if you go back to, it's sitting on top of ACFER 722.

[3:16:45] Voice 4: 722 is a crucial aquifer. It stretches all the way up from Seymour Heights all the way down into

[3:16:52] Voice 4: the project we were talking about at DeSantis on Drake Road and it needs all the protection it can

[3:16:59] Voice 4: get. It can't afford to have that aquifer contaminated by land use and this is why I

[3:17:07] Voice 4: think if you go back and look very carefully you will see even under bylaw 66 before the

[3:17:13] Voice 4: the Islanders Trust was formed, this zones where watershed islet and watershed protection,

[3:17:19] Voice 4: they had the same kind of land uses. You could not, basically, they're very restrictive compared

[3:17:27] Voice 4: to other zones. And we have to stop these people from continually, and it seems to be getting worse,

[3:17:33] Voice 4: purchasing properties that are much cheaper because of the restricted uses. And then they

[3:17:39] Voice 4: turn around and then they try to get temporary instruments and then they rezone and we go

[3:17:43] Voice 4: dragging this on forever and we seem to be getting this more and more

[3:17:47] Trustee Luckham: can i get you to wrap up

[3:17:49] Voice 4: yeah and i think the trust has to take a position that this cannot continue if you really care about

[3:17:55] Voice 4: preserving protecting this island thank you very much thank you mr hewitt um

[3:18:02] Trustee Luckham: our next speeder

[3:18:03] Trustee Luckham: speaker um well that's interesting we must have the sequence for some reason changed here

[3:18:08] Trustee Luckham: i'm gonna follow what i said at the outset herbert uh court uh was next he had his hand up and then

[3:18:15] Trustee Luckham: lynn and then followed by maxine lichter if there obviously you spoke as a delegate already

[3:18:23] Trustee Luckham: but anyway uh go ahead uh herbert you have to unmute your microphone herbert court i'm herbert

[3:18:41] Voice 3: I live, do you hear me now?

[3:18:45] Voice 3: Yes, I can, go ahead.

[3:18:47] Voice 3: I live on campus back, Channel Ridge,

[3:18:53] Voice 3: and I want to comment on the proposed cell tower.

[3:19:01] Voice 3: I am opposed to the location of the proposed cell tower.

[3:19:09] Voice 3: That is my main concern.

[3:19:11] Voice 3: and I want to give several reasons.

[3:19:14] Voice 3: I want to start with the argument

[3:19:19] Voice 3: that has been put forward by Gary Holmes and others

[3:19:22] Voice 3: that the tower should be located there

[3:19:26] Voice 3: because there already exists another tower,

[3:19:30] Voice 3: the Toulouse Tower.

[3:19:33] Voice 3: However, I want to say that this justification

[3:19:35] Voice 3: identification assumes the propriety or correctness of the location of the existing tower.

[3:19:45] Voice 3: It seems to me that no cell tower should ever be located as close to any residencies according to

[3:19:57] Voice 3: current guidelines and our scientific knowledge as to the potential risk. The second point is

[3:20:07] Voice 3: is probably the most important one,

[3:20:11] Voice 3: and that is we do not presently have

[3:20:17] Voice 3: incontrovertible scientific evidence

[3:20:20] Voice 3: that establish beyond a reasonable doubt

[3:20:24] Voice 3: that there will be no negative effects on people's health

[3:20:30] Voice 3: if they live near such a facility.

[3:20:33] Voice 3: The appropriate attitude to adopt here

[3:20:38] Voice 3: is one of humility.

[3:20:41] Voice 3: After all, the history of science and medicine

[3:20:44] Voice 3: is replete with examples of expert recommendations

[3:20:49] Voice 3: and assurances of safety that turned out to be false

[3:20:55] Voice 3: in some cases with disastrous consequences.

[3:21:00] Voice 3: So when faced with the possibility,

[3:21:03] Voice 3: however small, of future negative effects

[3:21:07] Voice 3: on people's health.

[3:21:09] Voice 3: It is morally obligatory, I think,

[3:21:12] Voice 3: to adopt a precautionary standpoint

[3:21:15] Voice 3: and to consider alternative options,

[3:21:18] Voice 3: even if those options should turn out

[3:21:21] Voice 3: to be less cost effective.

[3:21:26] Voice 3: So I'll ask you to wrap up, Mr. Court.

[3:21:29] Voice 3: The next point is that the onus is on the side

[3:21:36] Voice 3: of those who wish to have the tower there

[3:21:40] Voice 3: to prove that no other site on Salt Spring

[3:21:44] Voice 3: would be available for that.

[3:21:46] Voice 3: And I think that is not the case.

[3:21:49] Voice 3: They have not established that.

[3:21:51] Voice 3: And let me perhaps make one small point.

[3:21:55] Voice 3: I want to ask you to wrap up, Mr. Court,

[3:21:58] Voice 3: because you've been three and a half minutes.

[3:22:00] Voice 3: I will wrap up now.

[3:22:02] Voice 3: We have, as a community up here,

[3:22:04] Voice 3: had no opportunity during COVID to avail ourselves

[3:22:09] Voice 3: of the normal channels of communication,

[3:22:13] Voice 3: communications to deal with this kind of decision making.

[3:22:18] Voice 3: And I think given that situation,

[3:22:21] Voice 3: we should perhaps not,

[3:22:23] Voice 3: or perhaps postpone the decision on this

[3:22:25] Voice 3: until we as a community here can have town hall meetings

[3:22:30] Voice 3: and get independent expert advice

[3:22:35] Voice 3: and make a decision that is surely important

[3:22:37] Voice 3: because health is the most important thing that we have.

[3:22:41] Voice 3: And I also want to say I'm pro-science,

[3:22:44] Voice 3: but I made earlier the point about not having any evidence,

[3:22:49] Voice 3: scientific evidence that there will be no, that it is safe.

[3:22:54] Voice 3: That is a scientific fact.

[3:22:56] Voice 3: You can check that on the internet.

[3:22:58] Voice 3: net. So thank you for allowing me to make my point.

[3:23:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for joining us today. So the

[3:23:07] Trustee Luckham: next speaker is Lynn. If you don't mind, you could introduce yourself with your last name would be

[3:23:12] Trustee Luckham: helpful to the LTC. And you have two minutes and you have the floor.

[3:23:17] Voice 27: Okay, my name is Lynn Steiner.

[3:23:20] Voice 27: And I am speaking regards to the proposed site of the 5G tower. I canvassed the entire neighborhood

[3:23:28] Voice 27: of canvas back and i received an overwhelming response in the negative everybody is very

[3:23:34] Voice 27: concerned that live in this neighborhood that move to this neighborhood based on the nature

[3:23:40] Voice 27: and sanctuary that in which we live and have come to know and we feel threatened by having this 5g

[3:23:47] Voice 27: tower location at this point my house is 100 meters from the site as is several other houses

[3:23:55] Voice 27: and we are very, very concerned

[3:23:57] Voice 27: and I echo Herbert's concerns as well

[3:24:01] Voice 27: and I think you'll find

[3:24:04] Voice 27: you've been given the petition

[3:24:07] Voice 27: I've handed it in to you

[3:24:08] Voice 27: showing all the people that are very concerned

[3:24:11] Voice 27: and I think that the Island Trust

[3:24:14] Voice 27: should delay this important decision

[3:24:16] Voice 27: on this matter

[3:24:18] Voice 27: as there's a lot of undiscussed business

[3:24:21] Voice 27: in regards to this site

[3:24:23] Voice 27: and that's all I want to say

[3:24:25] Voice 27: I'm at work right now and I have to leave so I've said my my part thank you thank

[3:24:32] Trustee Luckham: you for joining us

[3:24:33] Trustee Luckham: uh Lynn uh Maxine Leichter um you're the next speaker uh

[3:24:45] Voice 14: can you hear me yes

[3:24:47] Trustee Luckham: we can uh if there

[3:24:49] Voice 14: are other people that haven't spoken yet I could go after them well

[3:24:53] Trustee Luckham: I've got you queued up now so

[3:24:54] Trustee Luckham: you go ahead okay

[3:24:55] Voice 14: well two things first I am opposed to the cell tower location I want to

[3:25:01] Voice 14: back up all the other people speaking about that. It's not proven to be safe. And the best course

[3:25:07] Voice 14: of action is not to risk somebody's health. And I don't think it's really necessary from a safety

[3:25:13] Voice 14: standpoint either. So the other thing I want to talk about is 570 Blackburn Road.

[3:25:20] Voice 14: Please do not approve a TUP for this industrial use in the watershed. It's completely inappropriate.

[3:25:27] Voice 14: appropriate. The watershed zone was created specifically to exclude this type of activity

[3:25:32] Voice 14: and the welfare of the entire watershed needs to come before the needs of a particular business.

[3:25:39] Voice 14: So thank you. That's all I have to say.

[3:25:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Maxine. Jenny McLean is our next speaker

[3:25:48] Trustee Luckham: on the list.

[3:25:53] Voice 12: Hi, can you hear me? Yes.

[3:25:56] Voice 12: I really wish that you can give a vote of

[3:26:02] Voice 12: of non-concurrents to the Rogers Tower near Channel Ridge.

[3:26:07] Voice 12: I don't think that it's a very good idea

[3:26:10] Voice 12: for Salt Spring Island.

[3:26:12] Voice 12: And I just feel very strongly about this.

[3:26:16] Voice 12: There's a lot of information you've already been provided.

[3:26:18] Voice 12: So there's nothing I can really provide you

[3:26:20] Voice 12: beyond just putting my name forward to ask,

[3:26:24] Voice 12: please give a vote of non-concurrents for this.

[3:26:28] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:26:29] Voice 12: Do you wanna speak?

[3:26:33] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you very much jenny so that concludes our speakers list provide a moment for any last

[3:26:41] Trustee Luckham: speaker otherwise we'll continue on with our meeting okay well thank you everybody for joining

[3:26:49] Trustee Luckham: us and i'm going to continue on with the meeting now and indeed the uh we're applications and

[3:26:55] Trustee Luckham: referrals and the first application is salt spring cella 2020.1 uh uh uh ms varigan of cyprus land

[3:27:06] Trustee Luckham: services inc is the um applicant here for proposed item in telecommunications facility

[3:27:11] Trustee Luckham: at section 13 range 2 west north salt spring island staff report um and so the staff report

[3:27:20] Trustee Luckham: is going to be provided to us by Christine Mays.

[3:27:25] Trustee Luckham: And I'm assuming the applicant is with us.

[3:27:29] Trustee Luckham: I know that he had a slide show he wanted to present

[3:27:32] Trustee Luckham: after we've heard the staff report.

[3:27:35] Trustee Luckham: And so let's just want to acknowledge

[3:27:38] Trustee Luckham: that we'll provide that opportunity.

[3:27:40] Trustee Luckham: And then there'll be a discussion at the LTC table

[3:27:45] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps questions about staff and the applicant.

[3:27:48] Trustee Luckham: So, Christine Mays, do you want to start us off?

[3:27:53] Planner Mayes: Sure do. Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[3:27:56] Planner Mayes: So, this report addresses a request from Rogers for a statement of concurrence from the Saltsbury and Local Trust Committee for the proposed location of a telecommunications facility.

[3:28:06] Planner Mayes: This tower also proposes to co-locate the Capital Region Emergency Services telecommunications or CREST equipment to improve communications in the area for first responders.

[3:28:21] Planner Mayes: So the subject area considered in this concurrence request is located in North Salt Spring Island and the area is zoned rural.

[3:28:27] Planner Mayes: rule. So Rogers is seeking to improve network performance in the immediate area with the

[3:28:33] Planner Mayes: installation of a proposed telecommunications facility, which will be in close proximity to

[3:28:38] Planner Mayes: an existing TELUS tower. The proposed facilities consist of a 40-meter self-support structure,

[3:28:44] Planner Mayes: tower structure with nine Rogers panel antennas, two microwave antennas, and a one-meter lightning

[3:28:50] Planner Mayes: rod, as well as a shelter for equipment enclosed by a secure chain link fence.

[3:28:55] Planner Mayes: CREST is also proposing to co-locate their equipment and that's for emergency service

[3:29:00] Planner Mayes: communication improvements. So you know a note in the absence of a telecommunications policy

[3:29:08] Planner Mayes: Cypress Land Services which is they're acting on behalf of Rogers has undertaken a public

[3:29:13] Planner Mayes: consultation process that includes public newspaper notices to surrounding landowners.

[3:29:19] Planner Mayes: The proponents are requesting to construct antenna systems are required to consult with land use authorities and obtain either a statement of concurrence or non-concurrence.

[3:29:33] Planner Mayes: So just a couple of photos. This road is the access to the proposed communications tower, as well as a view of the surrounding area,

[3:29:43] Planner Mayes: as well as the location of the proposed communications tower and you can see the existing telus tower in that lower photo.

[3:29:52] Planner Mayes: So again, the location of proposed towers in the top photo you'll see it's proposed to be on the left hand side.

[3:30:00] Planner Mayes: And there's the existing communication towers and the dwelling units that are in proximity to the proposed telecommunications tower.

[3:30:08] Planner Mayes: So the staff report in the agenda package explores various issues and opportunities, which includes the model strategy for antenna systems, Crest co-location, 5G technology and the Channel Ridge Village.

[3:30:20] Planner Mayes: In respect to correspondence, 439 pieces of correspondence were received in response to the concurrence request at time of publishing of the staff report.

[3:30:31] Planner Mayes: Of those, approximately 71 were in support and 227, including petition forms, were in opposition to the proposal.

[3:30:39] Planner Mayes: Subsequent to the publishing of the report, 39 additional pieces of correspondence were received, including petition forms.

[3:30:46] Planner Mayes: I do want to note a thank you to both Rob Pingel and Daniela Murphy for their work in processing that application. It was quite a task for them, so thank you there.

[3:31:02] Planner Mayes: Staff are recommending that the LTC concur with the proposed siting of the telecommunications facility, as the request is not contrary to or variance with Salt Spring Island Official Community Plan objectives and policies.

[3:31:13] Planner Mayes: The relevant definitions and regulations within the Land Use By-law permit the siting of public utilities, or in this case telecommunication towers, in every zone, with height restrictions for buildings and structures not applicable to telecommunication antenna.

[3:31:27] Planner Mayes: In the absence of an adopted telecommunications and consultation protocol, a proponent undertook an enhanced consultation process,

[3:31:36] Planner Mayes: Using the default Innovation Science and Economic Development Canada CPC 203 protocol as well as guidelines extracted from the Model Strategy for Antenna Systems, which provided an opportunity for comment from the public.

[3:31:50] Planner Mayes: The co-location of the CREST equipment will benefit the greater population and provide emergency responders with increased coverage, and that's a valuable benefit in consideration of recent emergency events on the island.

[3:32:00] Planner Mayes: staff note that this request as well as the 2019 crest tower and model strategy antenna systems

[3:32:07] Planner Mayes: applications and and project have garnered a considerable amount of concern from the community

[3:32:11] Planner Mayes: regarding safety concerns regarding 5g technology and it's a note just to say that the local trust

[3:32:17] Planner Mayes: committee is a land use authority doesn't have jurisdiction over health in respect to commit

[3:32:21] Planner Mayes: telecommunication facility that responsibility rests with the federal government which in this

[3:32:26] Planner Mayes: case is Health Canada. And so happy to answer any questions. We do have three people who may

[3:32:33] Planner Mayes: speak to this application, Tawny, Chad, and Gord Hoth from CREST.

[3:32:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, thank you for that

[3:32:43] Trustee Luckham: heads up. I noted, I saw those names there, and I wasn't sure who they were. And so Tawny

[3:32:51] Trustee Luckham: Vera, again, I hope I've got that pronunciation correct. You're the name on the, as the proponent

[3:32:57] Trustee Luckham: here. So I'll let you handle if you want your other team members to speak to us or not. But

[3:33:05] Trustee Luckham: we'll turn it over to Tani and go from there.

[3:33:13] Voice 8: Hi, it's Chad here. I don't think Tani is

[3:33:16] Voice 8: attending and I'm attending on her behalf.

[3:33:19] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see. I saw a

[3:33:20] Trustee Luckham: name up there that said that,

[3:33:21] Trustee Luckham: but that's okay. So Chad,

[3:33:23] Voice 8: welcome. Nice to see you again. Yeah, thank

[3:33:26] Trustee Luckham: you. Go ahead.

[3:33:28] Voice 8: Yeah, and I do have a short presentation. I don't know if staff have it to bring up.

[3:33:32] Voice 8: go over it okay

[3:33:34] Voice 8: sure a lot of it uh staff gave a really good summary there of the project

[3:33:40] Voice 8: and the consultation that took place so i could go through uh our presentation rather quickly

[3:33:47] Voice 8: maybe skim over some of the stuff and then answer any questions you folks may have

[3:33:51] Voice 8: uh

[3:33:53] Voice 7: chair just noting that it is uh screen shared and if the applicant could just let me know when

[3:33:59] Voice 7: when they want me to move forward,

[3:34:00] Voice 7: I can move through the slideshow for them.

[3:34:03] Voice 8: Okay, sounds good.

[3:34:04] Voice 8: Okay, you copy that, Chad?

[3:34:05] Voice 8: Yeah, got that.

[3:34:06] Voice 8: So go ahead and move to the next slide.

[3:34:12] Voice 8: So I'm just gonna give an overview of the project

[3:34:15] Voice 8: and a bit of the background to wireless itself

[3:34:17] Voice 8: and the specifics of our consultation here.

[3:34:20] Voice 8: So wireless itself is an important part

[3:34:23] Voice 8: of any community safety network,

[3:34:25] Voice 8: and even more so with this project

[3:34:26] Voice 8: as CREST is involved to improve their service

[3:34:30] Voice 8: to emergency service providers.

[3:34:34] Voice 8: In addition to that, most 911 calls, in fact, 80% or more,

[3:34:39] Voice 8: typically come from mobile devices.

[3:34:42] Voice 8: So therefore, it is a very strong and important fact

[3:34:45] Voice 8: to a community safety network.

[3:34:49] Voice 8: And beyond that, users and community members do kind of expect

[3:34:55] Voice 8: wireless services to be more of a basic utility these days.

[3:35:00] Voice 8: Service providers are building hundreds of sites a year to augment and improve service to communities.

[3:35:06] Voice 8: More and more community members are using it, not just for voice calls and texting folks, but for data.

[3:35:15] Voice 8: Whether it's used for work, for email, or for video and sharing with friends and family, stuff like that.

[3:35:22] Voice 8: It is becoming more and more important that community members are connected.

[3:35:26] Voice 8: And it's a bigger drain on an existing network that provides service to communities so therefore new infrastructure needs to go up on a regular basis to keep up with that demand.

[3:35:41] Voice 8: Next slide.

[3:35:46] Voice 8: You go to the next slide.

[3:35:48] Voice 8: Thanks. This is just aerial of the area that we looked at. Some of the considerations that we take into when we're looking for a cell site or if there's any existing structures we could use and obviously there's a telus structure there and a water tower and we often do use those types of structures.

[3:36:08] Voice 8: In this instance, given that Rogers and Crest would be adding equipment, there wasn't enough capacity in the Telus Tower and the Telus Tower is too low in elevation to add more equipment to it.

[3:36:21] Voice 8: So both engineering, it couldn't handle it from a structural perspective and from a height perspective, the Rogers and Crest equipment would be shooting down into the trees.

[3:36:31] Voice 8: the antennas at the top near need clear line of sight to service a community so they need to be

[3:36:37] Voice 8: above that tree line and the water tower on site is again too low to utilize uh because it's below

[3:36:44] Voice 8: the tree line uh we did look at some other sites in the area including across uh st mary's uh lake

[3:36:52] Voice 8: but uh no other sites were really suitable this site is already utilized by a communications

[3:36:59] Voice 8: It has line of sight that Rogers could use effectively, as well as Crest, their main areas of concern are along the western part of the island and improving service there.

[3:37:11] Voice 8: So this was closer for them and better aligned with their service requirements.

[3:37:19] Voice 8: Next slide. This is Rogers coverage maps.

[3:37:28] Voice 8: maps. On the left is the existing coverage on sort of the central north end of Salt Spring.

[3:37:35] Voice 8: So this project is really to improve services in the central to north end of the island.

[3:37:42] Voice 8: Anything in green is areas of reliable, higher quality service. So sort of along the west

[3:37:50] Voice 8: coast of the island, you're getting better service from a tower over on Vancouver Island

[3:37:55] Voice 8: shooting across the water. This tower will also, I should mention, improve

[3:38:00] Voice 8: services out on the waterways as well for Rogers and Rogers users. So you can

[3:38:06] Voice 8: see on the right the service is quite drastically improved from this tower in

[3:38:12] Voice 8: the central northern portion of Salt Spring and primarily the the eastern

[3:38:19] Voice 8: areas west of Channel Ridge Hill, or sorry east of Channel Ridge Hill. Next

[3:38:25] Voice 8: Next slide.

[3:38:27] Voice 8: This is the Crest existing coverage in the area.

[3:38:31] Voice 8: And you can see they've kind of depict theirs on roadways.

[3:38:36] Voice 8: Anything in green is a fairly good level of connection

[3:38:40] Voice 8: and service for Crest.

[3:38:42] Voice 8: And if there is a Crest representative coming on,

[3:38:44] Voice 8: they could probably explain it a lot better than I do.

[3:38:46] Voice 8: But, and then any areas in red

[3:38:50] Voice 8: are areas they need to improve service in.

[3:38:53] Voice 8: And this tower will be improving services

[3:38:56] Voice 8: is in sort of the just south of where the tower goes and then along the western coast of Salt

[3:39:03] Voice 8: Spring Island. I'm not too sure down in the south you'll see a couple red patches there if it will

[3:39:09] Voice 8: be improved from this tower. I wouldn't think so but I'd let the CREST representative speak to that

[3:39:16] Voice 8: but there will be some good service improvements from CREST and emergency service providers

[3:39:22] Voice 8: out of this. Next slide. This is just a site plan of the location of the tower. So you can see the

[3:39:32] Voice 8: in the bold is the tower's location just east of the water tower. TELUS is on the north end.

[3:39:44] Voice 8: Access is existing, power is existing to the site. There's a good amount of tree cover around this

[3:39:53] Voice 8: that you know there's about between the homes and nearest homes in the area about 60 to 100 meters

[3:40:00] Voice 8: away between the homes and the tower the existing tower on site the water tower and this tower

[3:40:07] Voice 8: you've got 40 or 50 meters worth of trees that screen most of the tower the trees are roughly

[3:40:14] Voice 8: 20 to 26 meters in height so they screen a good portion of the tower and the fact that there's a

[3:40:21] Voice 8: good buffer of trees between the homes and the tower. It's quite it's quite difficult to see

[3:40:28] Voice 8: the tower when you're immediately adjacent to it in one of the homes. As you move away three or

[3:40:34] Voice 8: 500 meters away then the tower the top of the tower and the antennas become more visible and

[3:40:40] Voice 8: that's just necessary to provide the service from the cell site. Next slide. This is just a profile

[3:40:48] Voice 8: profile of the tower. It's essentially the same tower as the one that TELUS has on site.

[3:40:54] Voice 8: And the top section of the tower, the top four meters, is the crest equipment. It's

[3:41:01] Voice 8: pretty innocuous. It's not really that big. And they've kind of got the optimal position

[3:41:07] Voice 8: on the tower to provide services to the area. Next slide. This is a close-up of the tower

[3:41:16] Voice 8: compound. So got the tower itself right to the right of it is the Crest equipment shelter and

[3:41:24] Voice 8: generator for Crest and Rogers next to that. And then just to the northwest of the tower

[3:41:32] Voice 8: is the Rogers equipment shelter. Both of those equipment shelters are used to operate the

[3:41:40] Voice 8: antennas on top of the tower. Next slide. So this is a just a

[3:41:47] Voice 8: quick summary of our consultation process. I know

[3:41:50] Voice 8: staff did get more input from the public than we did. So our

[3:41:56] Voice 8: numbers might not totally be aligned. But in November, we

[3:42:00] Voice 8: started the formal consultation for the tower by submitting

[3:42:05] Voice 8: application to Islands Trust. In March of this year, we notified

[3:42:10] Voice 8: everybody within 400 meters in writing of the proposal.

[3:42:16] Voice 8: And in March, we also ran advertisements in the local paper.

[3:42:21] Voice 8: Consultation ended probably towards the end of April.

[3:42:26] Voice 8: It says April 16th, it probably ran into May a bit.

[3:42:29] Voice 8: During that period, we received 218 comments from the public.

[3:42:37] Voice 8: 163 expressed concerns about the project.

[3:42:41] Voice 8: 52 provided support for the project. So this is obviously, as you folks know, a very vocal

[3:42:48] Voice 8: community. It's unusual to get this much interest in cell tower applications, but probably not that

[3:42:59] Voice 8: unusual for the Gulf Islands. Next slide. So a summary of the concerns. Basically, there were

[3:43:10] Voice 8: were, you know, different concerns, but generally speaking, the theme was either a health and safety

[3:43:15] Voice 8: concern or a concern that were too close to residential homes or residential zone properties.

[3:43:23] Voice 8: So we did do a safety code six calculation. As you're probably aware, health and safety concerns

[3:43:31] Voice 8: are regulated by Health Canada through safety code six. They have exclusive jurisdiction over this.

[3:43:39] Voice 8: We took into consideration the pressed equipment, the Rogers equipment, and the existing TELUS equipment that's on site.

[3:43:48] Voice 8: When we did the calculation, Rogers engineers did the calculation, it's only 2.3% of the allowable limit at the nearest home, and it obviously dissipates with distance so it gets much lower as you move away.

[3:44:01] Voice 8: way. So the amount of RF energy off this and any cell site is really extremely low. Next slide.

[3:44:12] Voice 8: The other main health concern brought forward was related to 5G. And I'm sure, you know,

[3:44:19] Voice 8: 90% of the comments received of concern were related to 5G. The impetus for this tower is

[3:44:26] Voice 8: definitely not 5G. If TELUS or any carrier wants to upgrade their network to 5G, they're going to

[3:44:34] Voice 8: to have to roll it out across their entire network, which means all cell sites providing

[3:44:39] Voice 8: service to Salt Spring. And if you really wanted to have a robust network, you'd need a lot more

[3:44:45] Voice 8: as well, a robust 5G network. They would all need to be upgraded. It's not just this single tower.

[3:44:51] Voice 8: This tower will have 5G on it. It's basically using the same radio frequencies as 3 and 4G

[3:44:59] Voice 8: technologies that they utilize now. So it's in that same frequency range. There's nothing new

[3:45:07] Voice 8: being used on this tower. There's no millimeter waves or nothing like this that typically folks

[3:45:13] Voice 8: are having, or there's a global debate on right now. So there's really no new frequencies being

[3:45:22] Voice 8: utilized on this tower. And again, I'll just focus on the driver is not 5G for the tower at all.

[3:45:31] Voice 8: Next slide. And when we're talking about proximity to residential properties, it's not uncommon.

[3:45:40] Voice 8: Most Canadians live in close proximity to cell sites. That might not be the norm on Salt Spring or the Gulf Islands, but that is the norm across most communities.

[3:45:54] Voice 8: And when we are talking about proximity, we're talking about how are we impacting, really impacting a residential property.

[3:46:01] Voice 8: Are we building a tower that's visible from somebody's front window and they're staring at it day in, day out?

[3:46:08] Voice 8: Is it making a lot of noise or any other noxious pollutions that would be causing them lack of enjoyment of their property?

[3:46:17] Voice 8: We're really not.

[3:46:18] Voice 8: The amount of noise that's contributed from a cell tower is equivalent to a residential air conditioner or a fan or something like that.

[3:46:28] Voice 8: given that this is quite a ways away there will be no noise heard from any

[3:46:33] Voice 8: neighbors. Construction and noise and traffic really the site gets utilized or

[3:46:41] Voice 8: visited about once every two months so there's it's not a driver of traffic

[3:46:46] Voice 8: it's far less than any single residential home that would be built in

[3:46:51] Voice 8: the area and construction itself and disruption from construction is really

[3:46:56] Voice 8: just a couple of months. Again, less than building a home in the area. As I mentioned earlier,

[3:47:04] Voice 8: and there's some photo renderings, but there's obviously a large amount of trees separating the

[3:47:10] Voice 8: tower from view of the immediate homes around it. In addition to that, it's an existing,

[3:47:18] Voice 8: it's utilized by existing utilities, whether it's the water tower or the

[3:47:22] Voice 8: the Telus Tower on site.

[3:47:23] Voice 8: So we feel it's a very appropriate

[3:47:25] Voice 8: to improve Rogers service to Islanders from this location.

[3:47:31] Voice 8: Next slide.

[3:47:36] Voice 8: This is just further, this is giving you some perspective

[3:47:39] Voice 8: and this was prepared by the engineer of record.

[3:47:42] Voice 8: And there's a photo sim in the right-hand photo.

[3:47:47] Voice 8: You can see the tower just above the tree line.

[3:47:50] Voice 8: And this is given that there's a large amount of trees.

[3:47:53] Voice 8: It's a bit of a plateau when the tower is set back on this plateau, so it's not visible directly.

[3:47:59] Voice 8: This is taken from the entrance to the property.

[3:48:03] Voice 8: So it's not overly visible as you're close to the site.

[3:48:06] Voice 8: It will be more visible as you move away from the site, but again, it'll be similar to the Telus Tower, and it'll just be visible above the tree line.

[3:48:16] Voice 8: Next slide.

[3:48:18] Voice 8: And that's it.

[3:48:19] Voice 8: and I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns board members may have. Thanks for giving me the

[3:48:26] Voice 8: opportunity to speak as well.

[3:48:29] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Chad. So was there a necessity or desire to hear from

[3:48:35] Trustee Luckham: one of the other representatives, the Crest representatives, I suppose, to begin with?

[3:48:45] Voice 6: Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I'm happy to just echo some of the comments from Chad or just elaborate on

[3:48:52] Voice 6: some of the questions that maybe emerged from a coverage standpoint. We too are looking

[3:48:58] Voice 6: to make improvements on the west side and to the north in Salt Spring to augment some

[3:49:04] Voice 6: of the other sites we have on some of the other islands and at the south end of Salt

[3:49:08] Voice 6: Spring itself. I think Chad covered the bulk of it. The map that he showed was a recent

[3:49:14] Voice 6: drive test of where we do have coverage and where we don't. He was right that at the south

[3:49:21] Voice 6: end where there were some red this this facility will not help it it will help in the north and

[3:49:28] Voice 6: the west but i'm i'm available to answer any questions you might have from either staff or

[3:49:33] Voice 6: the trustees so thank you okay

[3:49:36] Trustee Luckham: thank you for joining us gordon so let's go then uh to trustees

[3:49:40] Trustee Luckham: um do you have any questions or comments with respect to this and there are a number there's

[3:49:48] Trustee Luckham: a there's a recommended motion there if you're interested in advancing that so trustees who would

[3:49:55] Trustee Luckham: like to go first Laura Patrick go ahead sure

[3:49:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll have I have a few questions I'll just start with

[3:50:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Gord I'm I can't recall I remember the crest location in town we were considering and there

[3:50:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): was a conversation about the telus tower is there a reason why you didn't co-locate on the on the

[3:50:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Tellus Tower?

[3:50:15] Voice 6: I think that, Mr. Chairman, the Tellus Tower is full. And for the same reasons

[3:50:23] Voice 6: that Rogers made the determination to build their own facility, we have the ability to go to the

[3:50:29] Voice 6: top. If you remember the diagram, perhaps in the agenda package, it clears the tree line and

[3:50:34] Voice 6: maximize our coverage. And we appreciate Rogers valuing the public safety aspect of it. They have

[3:50:42] Voice 6: a little more flexibility with the placement of their antennas but we couldn't get that placement

[3:50:46] Voice 6: on the TELUS tower. Obviously we approached TELUS several years ago to look at that opportunity

[3:50:53] Voice 6: and we were told the only way we could get on a tower was if TELUS built a secondary tower

[3:51:00] Voice 6: or another telco like Rogers or someone else built something and so here we are.

[3:51:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you very much.

[3:51:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): how tall is the telus tower and so that i have a relationship is it is it the same height 40

[3:51:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): meters is there do we know how tall is the telus tower i chad

[3:51:20] Voice 6: might know yeah

[3:51:21] Voice 8: i don't know the

[3:51:22] Voice 8: exact height but it's relatively the same height so i'd say within five meters i

[3:51:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think i i would

[3:51:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): like to know that answer because you can see the telus tower from behind the houses that are

[3:51:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): there and i think from a relationship standpoint and your simulation drawings

[3:51:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): having a having it in relation to the uh to that tower would be helpful because it's um it's um

[3:51:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm you know that your simulation drawing shows it just kind of peeking from that one angle but

[3:51:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's there's other angles up there where like so you can see the telus tower quite clearly if

[3:51:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): you just drive past and turn around and come back the telus tower sticks out strong um yeah

[3:52:02] Voice 8: Yeah. Yeah. I would, you know, again, I don't have the exact, but I, something like 36,

[3:52:08] Voice 8: 38 meters stands out in my mind is a number that I saw in regards to it. Um, whatever that height

[3:52:15] Voice 8: is, I mean, Rogers is really trying to do the minimal height that they need as did tell us

[3:52:22] Voice 8: actually in providing the service. So if it's, uh, like, like we mentioned, it'll be, uh, it will

[3:52:28] Voice 8: be visible above the tree line that's just the nature fortunately or unfortunately of the

[3:52:36] Voice 8: technology and then the need to provide the service to the area um

[3:52:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): i was that were info

[3:52:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): packages i'm like said i only got to see the info package for the very first time this you know with

[3:52:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): the attachment to the agenda this is the first time i saw it but did was it uh shared with the

[3:52:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): first nation any first nations not

[3:53:00] Voice 8: to my knowledge it wasn't though i don't know if staff shared it

[3:53:04] Voice 8: uh i don't think there's a requirement to and i don't think they did but i'll let staff

[3:53:08] Voice 8: know so

[3:53:12] Planner Mayes: that that process would have been driven by iscd's consultation process as we don't have

[3:53:17] Planner Mayes: to commit telecommunications policy um what i will note is that um at present the model strategy is

[3:53:24] Planner Mayes: is with Lisa Wilcox, who is our Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor.

[3:53:30] Planner Mayes: So she is working on that with some inclusion for First Nations language.

[3:53:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I know, I understand it's a federal process,

[3:53:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I would hope there's some recognition of First Nations

[3:53:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): and their interests, especially in these mountaintops.

[3:53:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): um it said uh there's a uh it says at one point it talks about the the environmental assessment

[3:53:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): requirements the federal environmental assessment requirements but there wasn't an environmental

[3:54:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): assessment conducted on this site was there no

[3:54:05] Voice 8: there was not there's not a requirement to

[3:54:08] Voice 8: okay i mean this is a you know it is a clear disturbed area that we're utilizing already

[3:54:15] Voice 8: already typically if we're within a say a 30 meter radius or area of a water course we typically do

[3:54:29] Voice 8: when we're not in this instance

[3:54:31] Voice 21: who owns this land who's the land do we know who the land owner is

[3:54:36] Voice 21: it's

[3:54:37] Voice 8: owned by ani

[3:54:38] Voice 21: property they

[3:54:40] Voice 8: took it over from channel ridge developments when they went

[3:54:43] Voice 8: into receivership.

[3:54:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know you showed some pictures of distances from homes that are

[3:54:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): sort of typical more the urban setting but in rural residential areas I take it the access

[3:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): road there it looks like there's two vacant lots on both sides of the access road so those could

[3:55:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): potentially be two more homes that would be constructed there. I know because of the view

[3:55:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): those homes are built quite up high on about the same bench of the almost the same elevation as

[3:55:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): where the towers are um i mean in the rural settings what is it our towers typically that

[3:55:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): close to homes uh

[3:55:26] Voice 8: yeah they often are i mean we do we actually do quite a few uh at water tower

[3:55:32] Voice 8: locations because they're typically and we're doing a few on the north shore of vancouver right

[3:55:36] Voice 8: now. They're typically on higher ground close to primarily suburban or rural residential areas

[3:55:46] Voice 8: and so it's not uncommon for towers to be situated like this. I think you know I do work on

[3:55:54] Voice 8: you know I've probably done a hundred different projects around the province in rural communities

[3:56:00] Voice 8: providing wireless internet services where there's no high speed internet service and

[3:56:07] Voice 8: Ultimately, for the towers to operate effectively they need to be closer to the users of the technology and that means the towers are anywhere from, you know, 40 to 400 meters within close proximity of residential properties, often right in the middle of a community.

[3:56:29] Voice 8: if they really want the service improved.

[3:56:33] Voice 8: Sometimes they're on the edge of the community

[3:56:36] Voice 8: as we are in this instance,

[3:56:37] Voice 8: not in the middle, but on the edge.

[3:56:40] Voice 8: But yeah, more and more so,

[3:56:42] Voice 8: they're closer to the end users of the technology.

[3:56:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know we've had the pandemic

[3:56:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I've been involved in Shaw Tower,

[3:56:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Crest Tower and the Telus Tower on different islands.

[3:56:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we've all had,

[3:56:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): they've always had a public community information meeting

[3:57:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that typically part of the process to have a public meeting?

[3:57:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's no,

[3:57:07] Voice 8: in most cases, no, it's not very common that we do them.

[3:57:11] Voice 8: Gulf Islands, yes, we have been doing, we've been doing some, you know, I'd say at least

[3:57:19] Voice 8: half of the time, I think in this instance, it was partly to do with the pandemic because

[3:57:26] Voice 8: because the pandemic was a little more relevant

[3:57:30] Voice 8: when we were doing the consultation.

[3:57:33] Voice 8: That was part of the reason we didn't do it.

[3:57:35] Voice 8: I think, I don't know if it would resolve any concerns.

[3:57:40] Voice 8: There seems to be a strong community concern

[3:57:47] Voice 8: over 5G and health related concerns.

[3:57:50] Voice 8: I don't think, we did share a lot of information with them.

[3:57:53] Voice 8: We did the health code, the safety code six calculation.

[3:57:56] Voice 8: I don't think we can share any more information as Rogers to the public so I don't know if there

[3:58:05] Voice 8: would be a great deal of benefit from having another meeting I think you've got a great

[3:58:10] Voice 8: sense of what the community concerns are and you know you had an unusual amount of support

[3:58:16] Voice 8: for a project it's it's often the folks that don't want it that speak out and that's you know

[3:58:23] Voice 8: we do lots of these consultations and that's usually the folks that speak out.

[3:58:27] Voice 8: In this instance you did get 50 or 50 plus folks that were in support and that is unusual and that

[3:58:33] Voice 8: kind of does say a lot about the project.

[3:58:39] Voice 21: I'll let others have questions for now, I may have more.

[3:58:44] Trustee Luckham: Hey Peter Grove, do you have any questions?

[3:58:48] Trustee Grove: No I've had lots of questions and they've

[3:58:50] Trustee Grove: been answered to the most degree. I'm comfortable with what's being proposed so I'm prepared to

[3:58:58] Trustee Grove: listen to others at this point.

[3:59:01] Trustee Luckham: Okay thank you. Maybe I'll just take the opportunity to ask a

[3:59:07] Trustee Luckham: couple of questions. You know I'll just say I've done a lot of reading and research on this not

[3:59:13] Trustee Luckham: just on this item but on other items because we certainly had these conversations before and

[3:59:20] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, I'll acknowledge there's a lot of concern about 5G.

[3:59:24] Trustee Luckham: And the applicant has said that there's no planned rollout of a 5G network, although there will be 5G on the tower.

[3:59:36] Trustee Luckham: But 5G is often thought of as a new technology when, in fact, the methodology both with TELUS and with Rogers is actually to use existing frequencies that are 3G and 4G.

[3:59:50] Trustee Luckham: which is prevalent in our communities already.

[3:59:53] Trustee Luckham: And admittedly, another tower adds another level of...

[4:00:00] Trustee Luckham: increased level of exposure. However, the 600 megahertz frequency range is considerably less

[4:00:08] Trustee Luckham: than even some other networks, which are up into the 800 or 900 megahertz range,

[4:00:13] Trustee Luckham: definitely well below, if I'm not mistaken, the 30 gigahertz that millimeter wave

[4:00:19] Trustee Luckham: frequencies are. And I think the applicant has said that there is no plan for millimeter wave

[4:00:28] Trustee Luckham: and or no expectation you'd be delivering millimeter wave and maybe I'll just before I

[4:00:34] Trustee Luckham: go on I'll just confirm that that is the case no plan for millimeter wave transmission that's

[4:00:42] Voice 8: correct yeah okay

[4:00:44] Trustee Luckham: so then let's just speculate that if there was a continued interest in 5g

[4:00:50] Trustee Luckham: and a continued interest in millimeter wave as a as detrimental to public health and that went

[4:00:58] Trustee Luckham: and Health Canada agreed, and let's say deregulated that or regulated that in some way

[4:01:05] Trustee Luckham: above and beyond the present measures, that would potentially restrict any expansion of that

[4:01:12] Trustee Luckham: on that antenna in the future. Would that also be correct?

[4:01:16] Voice 8: That would be

[4:01:16] Trustee Luckham: correct. Okay.

[4:01:19] Trustee Luckham: So now on a little bit more subtle, you've indicated, if my reading is right,

[4:01:25] Trustee Luckham: is that the level of transmission that you're proposed for this tower in that I'm going to

[4:01:31] Trustee Luckham: call it sub millimeter wave range is about two percent of the maximum allowable under health

[4:01:39] Trustee Luckham: code safety six is that correct that's

[4:01:41] Voice 8: correct okay

[4:01:43] Trustee Luckham: so I would say quite low is how that would

[4:01:48] Trustee Luckham: be reflected. I actually have a lot of faith in a document from the Royal Society of Canada,

[4:02:03] Trustee Luckham: which admittedly was done in 2013. But in 2013, the 600 megahertz and 900 megahertz frequencies

[4:02:11] Trustee Luckham: that we're talking about here were analyzed in the review of the Safety Code 6, which was

[4:02:16] Trustee Luckham: was instituted by Health Canada.

[4:02:19] Trustee Luckham: And all of the remarks that are contained in there

[4:02:24] Trustee Luckham: reflect that there is no substantive evidence

[4:02:29] Trustee Luckham: of public health, although they do recognize

[4:02:33] Trustee Luckham: that some people appear to have sensitivities or have,

[4:02:38] Trustee Luckham: no, I apologize for the use of that word appear.

[4:02:42] Trustee Luckham: Some members of the public do have sensitivities

[4:02:45] Trustee Luckham: to RF radiation, but did not believe that it caused a health risk. So my final question is,

[4:02:54] Trustee Luckham: in the sighting, because this is the important part, especially because you can't help but feel

[4:02:58] Trustee Luckham: for the people that are immediately adjacent to the antenna. And so given the physical location,

[4:03:06] Trustee Luckham: given the height that the transmitter equipment is at, given the transmission cone from the

[4:03:12] Trustee Luckham: spreading out across the island are the people that are immediately adjacent to this antenna

[4:03:18] Trustee Luckham: notwithstanding the view of the antenna but are the people at the base of the antenna

[4:03:22] Trustee Luckham: subjected to more or less radiation than what the rest of the population would be

[4:03:29] Voice 8: yeah i would say they're you know it's slightly more but really it dissipates quickly

[4:03:36] Voice 8: with distance like i'm talking yeah as

[4:03:39] Voice 8: soon as you move a few meters away it dissipates quickly

[4:03:41] Voice 8: So

[4:03:42] Trustee Luckham: it's okay. And that is at the 2% of the, of the maximum recommended. That's correct. Okay.

[4:03:54] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. Okay. Well, those are my questions. I actually support providing concurrence,

[4:04:02] Trustee Luckham: particularly because our jurisdiction and the request that we have is not to address health

[4:04:09] Trustee Luckham: health and safety concerns.

[4:04:11] Trustee Luckham: And I have said over and over again to everybody

[4:04:14] Trustee Luckham: that if you wanna change this,

[4:04:17] Trustee Luckham: you need to write to Health Canada

[4:04:19] Trustee Luckham: and convince them to change the regulations

[4:04:22] Trustee Luckham: to make the standards better than what they are now.

[4:04:26] Trustee Luckham: But at the moment, I think we're okay.

[4:04:28] Trustee Luckham: So I'll ask if there's any other questions

[4:04:31] Trustee Luckham: from any of the trustees.

[4:04:33] Trustee Grove: No, and I'm

[4:04:34] Trustee Luckham: prepared to make a motion.

[4:04:37] Trustee Luckham: Then make a motion.

[4:04:38] Trustee Luckham: But

[4:04:39] Trustee Grove: I'm curious, do we have to spell out those reasons? Surely we can end the recommendation

[4:04:43] Trustee Grove: at Channel Ridge, can we not?

[4:04:48] Trustee Luckham: Let me get the package back up here. I had the Society of Canada

[4:04:53] Trustee Luckham: thing. I think you need to read that out as it is in order to be fair to everybody that what we're

[4:05:01] Trustee Luckham: doing is what we're doing.

[4:05:02] Trustee Grove: So our move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee concurs

[4:05:05] Trustee Grove: with the proposed siting of the telecommunications facility W2176 on Channel Ridge for the following

[4:05:12] Trustee Grove: reasons. Colon A, Salt Spring Island land use by law number 355 permits the siting of public

[4:05:17] Trustee Grove: utilities, that is telecommunication towers, in every zone. B, the tower is located in close

[4:05:23] Trustee Grove: proximity to an existing telecommunications facility. C, the tower is in part an upgrade

[4:05:29] Trustee Grove: to the emergency communication system on Salt Spring Island and will benefit the general

[4:05:33] Trustee Grove: population and d the proponent proponent has undertaken the necessary communication consultation

[4:05:39] Trustee Grove: and provided opportunity for comment from the public and for the salt stream island

[4:05:43] Trustee Grove: local trust committee i'll

[4:05:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): second for discussion purposes okay

[4:05:50] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee patrick um you

[4:05:53] Trustee Luckham: wish to speak to your motion um trustee grove uh

[4:05:57] Trustee Grove: it's been said that i bearing in mind um our

[4:06:00] Trustee Grove: geography and the population distribution and the growth of our population you know good wireless

[4:06:06] Trustee Grove: communication is becoming increasingly essential and i see this as a small step towards that

[4:06:14] Trustee Luckham: thank you peter trustee patrick i'm

[4:06:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to be voting against this for the following reasons one

[4:06:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): is i put a lot of a lot into the simulation drawings and i have to say this is one of the

[4:06:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): the worst I've seen I'm sorry I mean it just wasn't helpful in that that one angle that it

[4:06:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): was looked at as to what it would look like especially in relationship to the other tower

[4:06:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was there because I think of the homes in that area and I want to know what this is going

[4:06:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): to look like this is a 40 meter tall structure that's closer by a little bit than where the

[4:06:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): the existing tower is at least you know toward the front of the of that little piece of property

[4:06:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the second reason is i i you know while i understand the health and safety concerns and i

[4:07:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): that that is an issue that's just going to always be present on every tower we talk about

[4:07:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): but i do look at the the the the the neighborhood and i and i don't know if should be the landowner

[4:07:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): and rogers or whom that could have could have taken the effort i think to speak with the

[4:07:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): neighborhood and crest as well and talk to the people that live on that street um i think they're

[4:07:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're well connected. It's a, it's a, it's a, you know, a strong neighborhood. I think there

[4:07:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): are neighborhood pods that they have in that area that I think they, they would have benefited by

[4:07:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): having, you know, been given special attention on, on this topic and at least listened to.

[4:07:45] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Anything further? Yeah. You know, I, I hear Laura, what you said there, and I guess if I was

[4:07:55] Trustee Luckham: to message something to cypress communications i guess land services is somehow indeed a better job

[4:08:04] Trustee Luckham: needs to be done um with this outreach and um trustee patrick has hit on a significant point

[4:08:15] Trustee Luckham: there in how that is presented to the community to uh i think to at the end the proponents benefit

[4:08:23] Trustee Luckham: to have

[4:08:24] Voice 18: more

[4:08:25] Trustee Luckham: clear information out there.

[4:08:29] Trustee Luckham: It doesn't change my support for the project.

[4:08:33] Trustee Luckham: But you know, Islands Trust is criticized

[4:08:35] Trustee Luckham: for being poor communicators.

[4:08:38] Trustee Luckham: I think that Cypress could and Telus and Rogers

[4:08:42] Trustee Luckham: and all these telecommunications folks

[4:08:44] Trustee Luckham: could do a better job and think a little bit more

[4:08:48] Trustee Luckham: out of the box in order to get some better outcomes here.

[4:08:52] Trustee Luckham: because this is a difficult decision for this LTC, all of the sitting members.

[4:08:59] Trustee Luckham: So I want to thank Laura for that position. Is there anything else? Actually, I had one

[4:09:09] Trustee Luckham: final question, and that's unusual in a voting situation. Do we know how long the Dallas Tower

[4:09:17] Trustee Luckham: has been there? How old is that facility?

[4:09:21] Voice 8: I don't know. Gord, do you know? It's

[4:09:25] Voice 8: It's probably been maybe even a couple of decades, but I don't know.

[4:09:29] Voice 8: How old is

[4:09:30] Voice 8: this subdivision up there?

[4:09:32] Voice 6: Looking at just the way it's weathered, I would say 15 years at least, perhaps a little

[4:09:40] Voice 6: bit longer, but it's certainly not recent by any stretch of the imagination.

[4:09:43] Voice 6: We've been looking at that.

[4:09:45] Voice 6: I've worked for Crest for 15 years and we've been looking at it since then.

[4:09:48] Voice 6: So at least 15 years, it would be my guess.

[4:09:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[4:09:52] Trustee Luckham: And how old are the homes that are in that immediate area?

[4:09:55] Trustee Luckham: Do we know that?

[4:09:58] Voice 8: how old did you say yes

[4:10:02] Trustee Luckham: how long have they been there

[4:10:03] Voice 8: i'd have to defer to staff i don't know

[4:10:07] Voice 8: just

[4:10:08] Planner Mayes: pulling up historical imagery to see if i can uh

[4:10:10] Trustee Luckham: planner maze do you have any idea

[4:10:12] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[4:10:13] Planner Mayes: so it looks like um in 2002 or historical imagery shows that telus tower to

[4:10:18] Planner Mayes: uh be sited there uh one of the closest buildings is indeed uh shown on that aerial imagery as well

[4:10:27] Planner Mayes: that same area imagery with a lot of the surrounding buildings not being there right

[4:10:33] Trustee Luckham: okay

[4:10:34] Trustee Luckham: well um is there any further questions or remarks or comments on this uh motion that's on the floor

[4:10:41] Trustee Luckham: then i'm going to call for the vote all those in favor and those opposed so that's one opposed

[4:10:50] Trustee Luckham: and that does carry so um thank you everybody for a very difficult conversation and uh i would

[4:10:59] Trustee Luckham: honestly look forward to more wholesome but not that people aren't informed but

[4:11:07] Trustee Luckham: more clarity on some of the details. So thank the applicants for coming here today and

[4:11:15] Trustee Luckham: that does it staff will be in touch with you about the process at our end.

[4:11:22] Trustee Luckham: No

[4:11:23] Voice 8: just thanks so we know it's a difficult decision we know they're not easy especially

[4:11:27] Voice 8: especially on Gulf Islands, and we know it's been difficult, so we do appreciate it. Thanks.

[4:11:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. So we're going to move on on our agenda. Then we're going to, are we okay to

[4:11:41] Trustee Luckham: continue? We're at 1.41. We've been a little over an hour and 40 minutes here. Do you want to have

[4:11:46] Trustee Luckham: a break, or do you want to continue on with Blackburn Road?

[4:11:50] Trustee Grove: Just press on. If

[4:11:51] Trustee Luckham: you want a

[4:11:52] Trustee Luckham: break for five minutes or not. I'm not seeing any hands, so I'm going to continue then. So page

[4:11:59] Trustee Luckham: page 274. And Planner Mays, it looks like you're on the driver's seat here again. So I presume that

[4:12:10] Trustee Luckham: the applicant is with us. And I think they're familiar with the process. You will provide the

[4:12:16] Trustee Luckham: report and the applicant will have an opportunity to speak to the recommendations. And then the

[4:12:21] Trustee Luckham: discussion will happen at the LTC table. So over to you, Planner Mays. Thank you for your report.

[4:12:29] Planner Mayes: Thank you, Chair Luckham. So the purpose of this application is for a temporary use permit for commercial excavating business on the subject property.

[4:12:37] Planner Mayes: And this exceeds your contravene several Salt Spring Island land use bylaw number 355 regulations.

[4:12:43] Planner Mayes: And so those two images show the property in question.

[4:12:48] Well,

[4:12:50] Planner Mayes: I move. All right. So this report follows a staff report to the April 27, 2021 meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee,

[4:12:58] Planner Mayes: where they deferred consideration of this application and requested the applicant submit

[4:13:02] Planner Mayes: a report from a qualified professional demonstrating compliance with applicable

[4:13:06] Planner Mayes: codes for the temporary fuel system. Since this application was last considered, the applicant

[4:13:11] Planner Mayes: has provided the noise assessment as per the DAI bylaw and advised that the fuel tanks have been

[4:13:17] Planner Mayes: removed from the property and are now located at a GE3 zone property on Rainbow Road. So this report

[4:13:25] Planner Mayes: The report explores various issues on opportunities, specifically noise and fuel tanks.

[4:13:30] Planner Mayes: The applicant noted that the requested report was difficult to obtain as various professionals noted that the tank containment systems should be sufficient to certify the safety of those fuel tanks.

[4:13:41] Planner Mayes: As such, the applicant has moved the fuel tanks to a different property which permits bulk fuel storage.

[4:13:48] Planner Mayes: just note that should the local trust committee wish to consider issuance of the temporary use

[4:13:53] Planner Mayes: permit for a period of 60 days in accordance with the alternative recommendation staff have provided

[4:13:58] Planner Mayes: an amended permit which addresses noise the bulk fuel storage as well as hours of operation

[4:14:04] Planner Mayes: so staff are recommending denying issuance of the temporary use permit for the following

[4:14:10] Planner Mayes: non-exclusive reasons the proposal meets none of the temporary use permit objectives the proposal

[4:14:17] Planner Mayes: The proposals at variance with more than half of the TUP guidelines. The proposals at variance with several OCP policies and objectives, which includes the property's watershed land use designation, subject properties located within a community water supply watershed.

[4:14:31] Planner Mayes: The land use bylaw prohibits the repair of automobiles, which excludes auto body repair as a home-based business occupation within rural watershed zones.

[4:14:39] Planner Mayes: Zones. Proposals at variance with decades of community planning efforts to remove incompatible

[4:14:44] Planner Mayes: uses within the rural watershed zones, which includes the LTC's most recent efforts to exclude

[4:14:50] Planner Mayes: intensive agriculture from this land use designation. The high impact use was transferred

[4:14:55] Planner Mayes: from a more suitable location, which was a GE1 zone property, and is not representative of a

[4:15:00] Planner Mayes: temporary transitional industry in accordance with the UP objective G.1.2.3, as well as the

[4:15:06] Planner Mayes: business has been in operation for over 18 years. At least one

[4:15:10] Planner Mayes: or two of the two buildings posed to be used in the

[4:15:13] Planner Mayes: commercial exgiving business was likely constructed without a

[4:15:16] Planner Mayes: building permit. Historic use of the subject property for the

[4:15:19] Planner Mayes: home based business for commercial purposes may have

[4:15:22] Planner Mayes: been unlawful. And also eight pieces of correspondence,

[4:15:25] Planner Mayes: including one additional piece of correspondence that was

[4:15:28] Planner Mayes: received after publishing the staff report were received in

[4:15:32] Planner Mayes: opposition to the proposed temporary use permit. So that

[4:15:35] Planner Mayes: that recommendation is there. I'm happy to answer any questions and I believe the applicant will be

[4:15:39] Planner Mayes: with us shortly.

[4:15:42] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Planner Mays. So the applicant, are they here and do

[4:15:50] Trustee Luckham: they wish to speak? Rob, do we have an applicant here?

[4:16:03] Voice 7: Yes, Chair Mia Cahill is promoted to

[4:16:07] Voice 7: panelists and is off mute, working on video.

[4:16:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, audio is fine. We don't necessarily

[4:16:14] Trustee Luckham: need the video. But Mia, over to you.

[4:16:18] Voice 15: Okay, good afternoon. I think we would.

[4:16:24] Voice 15: Can everyone hear me? Yep. Okay, excellent. I think we would just like to start by saying that

[4:16:33] Voice 15: we would like to clarify how we're actually operating. Just based on the public feedback,

[4:16:40] Voice 15: back. We just feel like there's a misconception. We're not storing machines on site at 570 Blackburn

[4:16:50] Voice 15: Road. And what we mean by machines is excavators. And we haven't for some time.

[4:17:00] Voice 15: We would also like to just clarify that our machines are serviced on the sites that we're

[4:17:06] Voice 15: working. And also in response to the oils and lubes that we use to maintain these machines,

[4:17:21] Voice 15: that can be stored at our new location on Rainbow Road. So just further clarification,

[4:17:34] Voice 15: we're actually operating truck storage, pipe storage, and an office.

[4:17:45] Voice 15: I think, you know, we just wanted to recap at our last meeting that we had discussed a year extension to the permitting that we have in place at this time.

[4:18:02] Voice 15: And this was due to us still meeting our community need in regards to our commitment to the I-Wave Crofton Book 3 project, which addresses a few issues.

[4:18:26] Voice 15: We're on that project until approximately January 2022. It is a low-cost housing project.

[4:18:35] Voice 15: um we just wanted to reiterate that the reason we're on that project is due to the size of

[4:18:44] Voice 15: um charlie's excavating the size of this company it's the only company on the island that can do

[4:18:53] Voice 15: a project of this size which again meets a community need in that we are keeping jobs

[4:19:01] Voice 15: on Salt Spring and we're not bringing another company off-island to do this work. And again,

[4:19:10] Voice 15: bringing a company off-island, it's the impact to the ferry service is certainly one consideration.

[4:19:21] Voice 15: consideration. Other than that, we also just wanted to keep in mind that commercial truck

[4:19:37] Voice 15: and parking and storage is still on the long list as it's been identified that we don't have enough

[4:19:46] Voice 15: to service businesses on Salt Spring.

[4:19:50] Voice 15: So we just wanted to bring that again to the attention.

[4:19:58] Voice 15: Yeah, I think we've just, this is our third time around,

[4:20:03] Voice 15: and sometimes maybe we've kind of forgotten through the process,

[4:20:10] Voice 15: through the process of us starting the temporary use permit,

[4:20:13] Voice 15: the changes that we've made and how we're actually operating at this time.

[4:20:17] Voice 15: time. So over to you.

[4:20:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you. So I'll go to trustees now to say, do you have any

[4:20:32] Trustee Luckham: questions of the applicant or the planning staff? And Peter Grove, I see your hand up.

[4:20:39] Trustee Luckham: When

[4:20:39] Trustee Grove: you say third time around, explain that, please.

[4:20:44] Voice 15: Oh, I just mean it's been our third meeting. It's been our third meeting in front of that

[4:20:48] Voice 15: it in this forum.

[4:20:52] Trustee Grove: And what are you doing? I'm not quite sure where your Rainbow Road property is,

[4:20:58] Trustee Grove: and what do you do there?

[4:21:00] Voice 15: Okay, the Rainbow Road property, we're referring to where we've moved

[4:21:04] Voice 15: the bulk fuel storage. It's

[4:21:06] Voice 10: the cement plant.

[4:21:10] Trustee Grove: And so why not move everything down there?

[4:21:17] Voice 10: Well, our equipments are generally on other properties, so we don't need to move them

[4:21:21] Voice 10: anywhere. They're all on a property working somewhere. The only stuff we're actually storing

[4:21:25] Voice 10: is fuels and lubes.

[4:21:28] Trustee Grove: So why do you need the Blackburn property?

[4:21:32] Voice 10: Oh, for an office.

[4:21:36] Trustee Grove: And I

[4:21:37] Voice 10: have a barn and I'm going to use the barn.

[4:21:40] Trustee Grove: But you could just use the Blackburn property as

[4:21:42] Trustee Grove: for an office, right? Correct. Looks to me as if you're wanting to do more there than just be an

[4:21:50] Trustee Grove: office.

[4:21:51] Voice 15: Oh, well, it is the truck and pipe storage as well.

[4:21:57] Trustee Grove: And I'm thinking though on

[4:21:59] Trustee Grove: On Rainbow Road, you've got a lot of room.

[4:22:00] Trustee Grove: Couldn't you store the pipe and truck storage there?

[4:22:05] Voice 10: No, it needs to be undercover.

[4:22:08] Voice 10: I can't build something there.

[4:22:13] Trustee Grove: Okay, thanks.

[4:22:13] Trustee Grove: I may have to get back to you.

[4:22:15] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[4:22:18] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[4:22:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you very much.

[4:22:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): I do understand that we do have a shortage of places to do things.

[4:22:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know it's difficult, you moved before with what was allowed, and I think we would like

[4:22:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): to see you in a place that makes sense, and I do very much appreciate you removing the

[4:22:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): fuel storage tanks.

[4:22:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know the containment was one question, I think there were other issues regarding the

[4:22:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): codes that were there beyond containment um the on the temporary use permit as it sits right now

[4:23:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's on page 299 of the so of the things that it says there that uses that it would be allowed

[4:23:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): under the temporary use permit it says the workshop office ccans parking and general site layout as

[4:23:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): shown in schedule one and then it had the indoor repair and service of equipment machinery and

[4:23:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): vehicles for commercial excavation business is permitted. What equipment are you maintaining and

[4:23:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): repairing it on site? Is that with the equipment indoor repair and service?

[4:23:40] Voice 10: Occasionally we'll bring small machines around if I'm working at my house somewhere

[4:23:44] Voice 10: with a piece of equipment then it's an easy place to pop up and do an oil change on.

[4:23:49] Voice 10: But generally for bigger pieces we're doing them on site.

[4:23:52] Voice 10: Okay,

[4:23:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): we got the next one says that bulk is not allowed, power washing not allowed,

[4:24:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): outdoor storage.

[4:24:02] Voice 18: Seized both of those activities.

[4:24:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, that's thanks. So then that's, so it's pretty much what's written in this

[4:24:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): temporary use permit is reflective of what you're doing on site now?

[4:24:23] Voice 10: Yes, generally.

[4:24:24] Voice 10: okay

[4:24:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think that's really all my questions are at this time um other than i guess for staff i mean

[4:24:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i mean they have the office it's it's really would an office for this nature of business be

[4:24:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): considered a home-based business or is it just the parking of equipment and so forth that takes

[4:24:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): it over the home-based business i'm just reminding initially

[4:25:02] Voice 10: initially it was number of employees

[4:25:05] Voice 10: and I think for an office you're supposed to have it attached to a house as this was already

[4:25:16] Voice 10: in office there is easier just using the existing office thank

[4:25:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): you for that clarity

[4:25:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's all I have

[4:25:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): for questions right now I'm

[4:25:27] Trustee Grove: sorry I haven't I have another question

[4:25:29] Trustee Grove: number six the plant permit is valid for a period of 60 days what happens after that so this

[4:25:40] Planner Mayes: This is under the alternative recommendation, so that's the approval of issuance of a temporary

[4:25:48] Planner Mayes: permit for a period of 60 days, and that is an opportunity for the business to be relocated

[4:25:56] Planner Mayes: to a more suitable location.

[4:25:58] Planner Mayes: Certainly, that time can be increased or decreased up to a period of three years, and that recommendation

[4:26:09] Planner Mayes: is in accordance with the TEP guidelines.

[4:26:12] Planner Mayes: But

[4:26:12] Trustee Grove: the applicant's request, presumably, is longer than that.

[4:26:19] Trustee Luckham: Well, three years is the maximum.

[4:26:22] Trustee Grove: So what is the applicant requesting?

[4:26:26] Trustee Luckham: Three years.

[4:26:28] Voice 10: Oh, three years. Yes, sure. Excellent.

[4:26:32] Trustee Grove: Sorry. Christine, is that your understanding?

[4:26:36] Planner Mayes: Certainly from your discussions from the last meeting

[4:26:39] Planner Mayes: and also what me and Charlie had said just a little previously,

[4:26:43] Planner Mayes: and i don't want to paraphrase that there's a contract for about a year um so you know it is

[4:26:49] Planner Mayes: the discretion of local trust committee uh for how long they wish to grant a permit if that's

[4:26:54] Planner Mayes: the route they wish to go sorry

[4:26:56] Trustee Grove: to keep going on but does 60 days uh do anything for you k hills

[4:27:04] Voice 10: um yeah i'm just not sure what we're going to uh like in just terms of trucking truck parking

[4:27:09] Voice 10: relocating uh we're probably not going to find that in 60 days

[4:27:13] Voice 15: we feel that that it's an

[4:27:18] Voice 15: unreasonable time frame for us to find i mean we can certainly find parking but is is it going to

[4:27:27] Voice 15: be parking that is going to be lawful so

[4:27:33] Trustee Luckham: what is a reasonable time from your perspective a year

[4:27:38] Voice 10: would be really convenient and and then what well hopefully at that point in time uh there's more uh

[4:27:49] Voice 10: legal permitted uh places for commercial trucks well i

[4:27:55] Trustee Luckham: must think that the motion the alternative

[4:27:58] Trustee Luckham: motion is pretty clear that if we issue a approval of a temporary use permit for a shorter period

[4:28:05] Trustee Luckham: than the three years that it would be to allow the applicant time to relocate the business

[4:28:10] Trustee Luckham: So, ostensibly all those things that are an offence of the TUP and the guidelines would have to be moved or gone and Planner Mace, perhaps you can assist here, that if they wanted to run an office only at that location, that would be a different application.

[4:28:30] Planner Mayes: So currently under a land use bylaw as a home-based business, somebody who lives on the property can operate an office or professional offices.

[4:28:40] Planner Mayes: Now that has to occur, that use has to occur either in a dwelling unit or in a permitted accessory building.

[4:28:46] Planner Mayes: These buildings that are considered in this application, one of them was permitted as a farm building.

[4:28:52] Planner Mayes: building. Whether or not that permit was completed is sort of, you know, up to the CRD to determine.

[4:28:59] Planner Mayes: And one of those buildings is potentially unpermitted. And so home-based businesses

[4:29:05] Planner Mayes: cannot occur within a farm building. So the use of those buildings to continue as an office

[4:29:11] Planner Mayes: would require that or a change of use.

[4:29:17] Trustee Luckham: Right. Okay. So maybe I'll just ask a question

[4:29:23] Trustee Luckham: here it it strikes me that you know i totally appreciate what you're trying to do and you're

[4:29:29] Trustee Luckham: trying to survive and you're delivering a service to the island and the island i'm absolutely certain

[4:29:33] Trustee Luckham: is appreciative of that service and that um this kind of thing has already disrupted your day-to-day

[4:29:39] Trustee Luckham: business affairs and obviously um is has potential to disrupt it even more um when you're in the

[4:29:46] Trustee Luckham: middle of a project with a deadline and all that kind of stuff just want to say that appreciate

[4:29:50] Trustee Luckham: that but then the staff report what is brought to our attention is a number of

[4:29:55] Trustee Luckham: issues that need to somehow be resolved

[4:30:00] Trustee Luckham: I would say it would be difficult for us to approve a temporary use permit under the present

[4:30:04] Trustee Luckham: circumstances, but that is up to the trustees to decide. And so if we were to do the alternative,

[4:30:12] Trustee Luckham: I would be in favor of giving a bigger period of time because there's no way these folks are

[4:30:19] Trustee Luckham: going to be able to shut down their business and move it in 60 days. So I'm sympathetic to that,

[4:30:23] Trustee Luckham: for sure. I think that one of the main issues here is about protecting that watershed that

[4:30:28] Trustee Luckham: that property is in and that's been on the books for some time and I think that we you know we get

[4:30:35] Trustee Luckham: more and more pressure over time to do the environmentally right thing and that has been

[4:30:41] Trustee Luckham: a long-term plan of the LCC and it's something that I think we have to consider seriously

[4:30:48] Trustee Luckham: and if we've lost focus or track of what it is that we're actually doing and how we're doing it

[4:30:54] Trustee Luckham: then in that period of time that if we do offer a temporary use permit i think we need to stop

[4:31:00] Trustee Luckham: and rethink that and i know that you've been busy and that this has been a distraction from

[4:31:03] Trustee Luckham: your business and so totally appreciate that it would be easy it'd be easy for me to get lost

[4:31:08] Trustee Luckham: you so um i think we need to provide a temporary use permit or a change of use on that property

[4:31:18] Trustee Luckham: that is less offensive to the long-term goals of environmental protection of that particular

[4:31:23] Trustee Luckham: piece of property those are my two cents and i'm going to go over to trustee patrick one

[4:31:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): possibility is i know they offered that bulk of the oils and so forth or you know that could be

[4:31:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): an amendment to the temporary use permit so that it's clear that the bulk um oils or whatever the

[4:31:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): term would be is not um stored on site um i'm i'm i could be i'm supportive of a one year i i don't

[4:31:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think they need to look at, you know, the full business, how to operate it and what avenues they wish to make to make the accessory building legal and so forth.

[4:32:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So there's a number of things that could potentially occur.

[4:32:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I don't think I want to specify which route they have to go.

[4:32:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think they can come back in a year.

[4:32:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I think they have shown good faith to remove the issues that were causing the greatest noise

[4:32:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so forth to the neighbours and I would hope as well that you continue that relationship with

[4:32:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): the neighbour because you may be here back in a year's time wishing more time and having your

[4:32:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): neighbour's support makes a huge, huge difference.

[4:32:41] Trustee Luckham: Well said Trustee Patrick, thank you.

[4:32:44] Trustee Luckham: you. Peter Grove, anything else?

[4:32:46] Trustee Grove: No, I'm happy to support a one-year temporary use permit,

[4:32:52] Trustee Grove: but on the understanding that I certainly will not be inclined to renew it at the end of the year.

[4:32:59] Trustee Grove: So this is the last kick of the cap.

[4:33:05] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so maybe let's ask Planner Mays for a suggestion

[4:33:10] Trustee Luckham: here I was inclined to want to say at the end of that motion and that it not be renewed um or that

[4:33:18] Trustee Luckham: renewal not be an option is that a possibility there Christine uh planner maze uh

[4:33:25] Planner Mayes: you know I

[4:33:27] Planner Mayes: guess I would ask uh regional acting regional planning manager Louisa Gerb if she had any

[4:33:31] Planner Mayes: thoughts about that certainly that renewal is um within our local government act oh we've got

[4:33:38] Planner Mayes: I've got Director Marler down below, so he should be able to answer that question.

[4:33:44] Voice 13: Yeah, if I may, through the chair.

[4:33:46] Voice 13: Oh, sorry.

[4:33:47] Voice 13: If I may, through the chair, thank you.

[4:33:49] Voice 13: Yeah, you probably shouldn't be fettering a future Trust Committee's decision, but you could make a statement that the intention of the temporary use is one year to allow for the business to find another location and leave it at that.

[4:34:06] Trustee Luckham: All right, thank you.

[4:34:07] Trustee Luckham: um thank you for being there david and thank you louisa also um so trustees what would you like to

[4:34:14] Trustee Luckham: do so

[4:34:15] Trustee Grove: i'm happy to move that the salts wait

[4:34:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): a minute um should we amend do we want to amend

[4:34:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): the permit about the bulk fuels first is our bulk uh whatever it's called is that necessary christine

[4:34:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): the bulk um whatever you want to call it bulk oils bulk well

[4:34:31] Trustee Luckham: that would be a wise and prudent

[4:34:34] Trustee Luckham: thing to do yeah

[4:34:37] Planner Mayes: so so certainly you know this references bulk fuel um and and maybe i'll ask

[4:34:43] Planner Mayes: the applicants what what exactly is the material how would you reference it most commonly would

[4:34:50] Planner Mayes: it be oil hydraulic fluid fluid

[4:34:53] Voice 10: lubes lube

[4:34:57] Planner Mayes: and oil lube

[4:34:58] Voice 10: and oil lube

[4:34:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): and oil lubrication oil yeah

[4:35:01] Voice 21: yeah

[4:35:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): um so oops excuse me if i may

[4:35:08] Trustee Grove: yeah

[4:35:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): i

[4:35:11] Trustee Grove: don't understand the concern because 4.3

[4:35:13] Trustee Grove: spells it out no

[4:35:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): it only says bulk fuel

[4:35:18] Trustee Luckham: yeah so this is lubricant and oils it's not fuel

[4:35:21] Trustee Luckham: so

[4:35:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think we can amend 4.3 just to say storage of bulk fuel lubes and oil perfect

[4:35:28] Trustee Luckham: so

[4:35:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm i'm

[4:35:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): happy to make that i moved to amend um uh temporary use permit sstup 2020.4

[4:35:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): by amending 4.3 to add lube and oil and i don't know if we have to say so that it reads

[4:35:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): storage of bulk fuel lube lubes and oils uh for the commercial excavation business is not permitted

[4:36:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): i

[4:36:09] Trustee Luckham: might use the word lubricants because okay

[4:36:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): lubricants and oil and

[4:36:17] Planner Mayes: perhaps sarah can bring

[4:36:18] Planner Mayes: that up just to make sure it's exactly how you wish it

[4:36:21] Trustee Luckham: absolutely thank you planner maids okay

[4:36:35] Trustee Luckham: so there it is is that what we're expecting folks under 4.3 so that sounds like that's moved

[4:36:50] Trustee Luckham: and seconded uh trustee grove did you second it yeah any further discussion no okay so then let's

[4:37:00] Trustee Luckham: call the vote on the amendment to the temporary use permit all those in favor none opposed that

[4:37:07] Trustee Luckham: carries so now do you want to issue this amended temporary use permit yes

[4:37:14] Trustee Grove: please uh take us to

[4:37:16] Trustee Grove: that alternative that you had up on the screen sarah

[4:37:21] Trustee Luckham: can you scroll that up i

[4:37:22] Planner Mayes: will say yeah

[4:37:23] Planner Mayes: it's right underneath carried she's so quick right

[4:37:26] Trustee Luckham: okay perfect okay

[4:37:28] Trustee Grove: so i'm happy to move

[4:37:29] Trustee Grove: that salt spring island local trust committee approve issuance of temporary use permit sstup

[4:37:34] Trustee Grove: 2020.4 uh 570 blackburn road for a period of 365 days in order to allow the applicant time

[4:37:46] Trustee Grove: to relocate sorry

[4:37:49] Planner Mayes: a point of process we'll want to say it as amended thank

[4:37:54] Trustee Luckham: you thank you sarah

[4:38:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): before it's seconded do we want to do we want to say you know because like i said part of the

[4:38:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): business could not necessarily be relocated but made legal so i i think i'm just questioning how

[4:38:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): much we want to better what

[4:38:22] Trustee Luckham: relocated or made made uh uh compliant something like that so that

[4:38:32] Trustee Luckham: yeah yeah so i allow

[4:38:36] Trustee Grove: the african to become compliant yeah

[4:38:39] Trustee Luckham: um i i would like to keep the

[4:38:48] Trustee Luckham: word relocate some things need to be relocated

[4:38:53] Trustee Grove: relocate and become compliant yes

[4:38:56] Trustee Luckham: okay so that's

[4:39:07] Trustee Luckham: moved by trustee grove is that seconded i'll

[4:39:11] Voice 21: second okay you

[4:39:14] Trustee Luckham: want to speak to it peter grove

[4:39:16] Trustee Luckham: no

[4:39:17] Trustee Grove: i think it's um all being said thank you so what

[4:39:21] Trustee Luckham: are you thinking uh laura

[4:39:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah no it's i mean

[4:39:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's i just understand that they could potentially make the office and so forth the you know

[4:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): legal and or they may need a permit to operate the office which is a very different operation

[4:39:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): than so

[4:39:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's just i just don't want to i mean allow them to figure out their path i don't want

[4:39:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be overly restrictive it's just my concern is to make sure that they can who knows what path

[4:39:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): that they'll have to take well

[4:39:55] Trustee Luckham: i think they're free to come back to us with a new plan which i

[4:39:59] Trustee Luckham: would encourage and that could be any number of options so could we have that in writing

[4:40:17] Trustee Luckham: what do we want in writing can

[4:40:19] Voice 15: we have that in writing we can come back oh

[4:40:23] Trustee Luckham: i no i think you have

[4:40:24] Trustee Luckham: the freedom to do that at any point in time anybody does because when the permit expires it

[4:40:30] Trustee Luckham: will expire um and

[4:40:32] Trustee Luckham: uh you can uh you know quite honestly i would suggest that when you get this

[4:40:37] Trustee Luckham: this big project that you're working on, and I totally understand that, that you need to take

[4:40:42] Trustee Luckham: a break and think about this so that we can all be clear about where you're going and what you're

[4:40:47] Trustee Luckham: doing, and ideally with a successful outcome.

[4:40:52] Voice 10: Excellent. Sounds good.

[4:40:55] Trustee Luckham: And does anybody, staff, do you disagree with what I'm suggesting is that they can come to the LTC

[4:41:02] Trustee Luckham: see with a proposal at any time.

[4:41:04] Planner Mayes: Indeed. So prior to, you know, I'd probably say four months prior

[4:41:10] Planner Mayes: to expiry of this permit, if the LDC decides to issue it, they can certainly come back. There's

[4:41:16] Planner Mayes: also an opportunity to go through the CRD to do a change of use on that farm building or to obtain

[4:41:22] Planner Mayes: permits to make those buildings lawful. The size of this building allows for 185 square meters of

[4:41:28] Planner Mayes: of accessory building floor area.

[4:41:30] Planner Mayes: So as long as that isn't taken up anywhere else

[4:41:33] Planner Mayes: on any buildings of the property,

[4:41:35] Planner Mayes: yeah, there's certainly some options.

[4:41:38] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, and I think a year,

[4:41:40] Trustee Luckham: if what you indicated earlier was that you expect

[4:41:43] Trustee Luckham: to wrap up that project that you're working on,

[4:41:46] Trustee Luckham: not to say that you're not gonna have another one lined up,

[4:41:47] Trustee Luckham: but if you wrap that up in January,

[4:41:49] Trustee Luckham: that gives you fairly good amount of time

[4:41:51] Trustee Luckham: to actually think about the next step,

[4:41:54] Trustee Luckham: because obviously you've got a going concern there, so yeah.

[4:41:58] Trustee Luckham: all right is there any further discussion then i'm going to call the vote are you okay laura on

[4:42:05] Trustee Luckham: the motion on the floor okay so the motion on the floor all those in favor any opposed none opposed

[4:42:12] Trustee Luckham: that carries okay i wish you success with your projects and look forward to seeing you some

[4:42:21] Trustee Luckham: time between january and july thank

[4:42:25] Voice 21: you thank you

[4:42:26] Trustee Luckham: all right i think that concludes that tup

[4:42:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Planner Mays, for working with us.

[4:42:31] Trustee Luckham: And we're now going to go to, if we're okay to continue, 16.3 on page 302.

[4:42:41] Trustee Luckham: Pull that up here.

[4:42:50] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[4:42:50] Trustee Luckham: And Planner Mays, you just seem to win the lottery on all these challenging permits.

[4:42:59] Trustee Luckham: So here we have a development variance permit 2021, Van Hals at 241 Roland Road.

[4:43:04] Trustee Luckham: and so is the applicant with us yes

[4:43:08] Planner Mayes: i did see judy in the audience so rob will have

[4:43:12] Trustee Luckham: her put up

[4:43:12] Trustee Luckham: so then um i see stephen bell host has got his hand up so we're going to ask staff to provide

[4:43:19] Trustee Luckham: their report and uh mr van house you can uh advise us if you're in concurrence or not of the

[4:43:26] Trustee Luckham: the of the um recommendation and um over to you planner maze thank

[4:43:34] Planner Mayes: you very much you're welcome

[4:43:35] Planner Mayes: all right um so this development variance permit application is seeking to uh vary the salt spray

[4:43:40] Planner Mayes: on land use bylaw number 355 to make lawful the siting of an unpermitted existing 42 square meter

[4:43:46] Planner Mayes: dwelling unit which is proposed to be converted to an accessory structure and for proposed future

[4:43:51] Planner Mayes: building in the front lot line setback as well as an existing stair structure within the setback to

[4:43:55] Planner Mayes: natural boundary of the sea. The subject property is located in South Salt Spring Island. The 0.17

[4:44:02] Planner Mayes: hectare lot is zoned rural and shoreline 6 along the foreshore and you can see the zoning map and

[4:44:08] Planner Mayes: the ortho 2017 orthophoto below. So the subject property currently consists of a 42 square meter

[4:44:17] Planner Mayes: dwelling unit with a deck which is constructed partially in a Ministry of Transportation

[4:44:21] Planner Mayes: infrastructure right-of-way, assorted accessory buildings which includes a woodshed as well as

[4:44:26] Planner Mayes: another shed another shed that's located entirely within the ministry of transportation infrastructure

[4:44:31] Planner Mayes: right-of-way as well as a structure that connects uh the bench where the house is located down to

[4:44:38] Planner Mayes: the beach which is has a short trail to the foreshore the property's planning history includes

[4:44:46] Planner Mayes: a 1984 border variance application potentially related to a capital regional district building

[4:44:51] Planner Mayes: inspection application in the same year for the construction of a new single-family dwelling which

[4:44:56] Planner Mayes: was cancelled. There are sequential DVP applications for this property in 1993, 1995 and 1997 for the

[4:45:04] Planner Mayes: relaxation front lot line and exterior line lot line setbacks to one meter. This was to permit

[4:45:11] Planner Mayes: the construction of a single family dwelling. All these permits have subsequently lapsed.

[4:45:16] Planner Mayes: So you can see in front of you a site plan for the subject property that was submitted by the

[4:45:22] Planner Mayes: applicant and then extracted the proposed permit as requested by the applicant which is to the

[4:45:26] Planner Mayes: right and those are included within the two DVPs that are attached to the staff report.

[4:45:34] Planner Mayes: So some context, you'll see the photos of Rowland Road along the subject property looking north and

[4:45:40] Planner Mayes: south as well as a view of the single family dwelling from Rowland Road which is obscured

[4:45:44] Planner Mayes: by some blackberry bushes. There's also at the bottom photo show the parking access of the

[4:45:49] Planner Mayes: subject property Roland Road as well as the northern extent of the subject property.

[4:45:54] Planner Mayes: The proposed variance area is adjacent to Roland Road and it can be seen on the top photo

[4:45:59] Planner Mayes: as well as the woodshed and existing buildings and structures currently on the property.

[4:46:05] Planner Mayes: This is the stair structure that is going down towards the foreshore of the property

[4:46:10] Planner Mayes: as well as some photos of the shoreline there. So this staff report that the LTC was provided

[4:46:18] Planner Mayes: provided explores various issues and opportunities, and this includes the concept of the development

[4:46:24] Planner Mayes: permit area 6 exemption, as well as the development history and future development on the subject

[4:46:28] Planner Mayes: property. In terms of consultation, statutory notice of the proposed variance was mailed

[4:46:34] Planner Mayes: out on July 7, 2021. In that time, one piece of correspondence in support of the application

[4:46:41] Planner Mayes: and one piece of correspondence in opposition to the application have been received. Staff

[4:46:47] Planner Mayes: Staff are recommending issuance of an amended variance permit that permits the existing staircase and a relaxation of the front lot line setback from 7.5 metres to 1 metre.

[4:46:57] Planner Mayes: Staff are not recommending varying the setback area for the existing dwelling unit that crosses into the Ministry of Transportation right of way, as the structure could be reasonably accommodated within the proposed 1 metre front lot line setback.

[4:47:09] Planner Mayes: and the applicant has not received permission yet from the ministry of transportation infrastructure

[4:47:13] Planner Mayes: for an encouragement permit and that's within that right of way as well as in consideration

[4:47:19] Planner Mayes: of salt spring island official community plan number 434 objective c.2.1.1.4 so that recommendation

[4:47:27] Planner Mayes: is there in front of you for consideration and hopefully the applicant will be there soon oh and

[4:47:32] Planner Mayes: i see them okay

[4:47:37] Trustee Luckham: very good thank you so um let's go over to the applicant and um look for your

[4:47:43] Trustee Luckham: comments on the um recommendation from staff you'll have to unmute your microphone sorry about

[4:47:56] Voice 24: that you think you think we'd all be familiar with unmute by now um we just just uh appreciate the

[4:48:04] Voice 24: help on the process you know the one meter setback was what we were seeking we bought the property

[4:48:09] Voice 24: property 23 years ago, and we had hoped to build something then, and it seems like things take

[4:48:15] Voice 24: longer to get to than you hope. So the one slight difference from the development recommendation was

[4:48:22] Voice 24: we were hoping to leave the existing cabin and use it as an artist studio. We did talk to the

[4:48:30] Voice 24: Minister of Transportation representative, and they had no concerns about that. We don't have

[4:48:36] Voice 24: a formal approval. We have an email from them confirming that. It would be harder to move

[4:48:42] Voice 24: because the septic field is right in front and it wouldn't be an easy thing to move that very

[4:48:48] Voice 24: old cabin. So that's the only, you know, the only wrinkle I think to this.

[4:48:52] Trustee Luckham: When you say cabin,

[4:48:54] Trustee Luckham: sir, do you mean as labeled on the drawing as house or the shed?

[4:48:59] Voice 24: It's the 450 square foot

[4:49:01] Voice 24: it uh dwelling um okay it's i i don't call it a house i call you know it's a lovely little cabin

[4:49:08] Voice 24: okay

[4:49:09] Trustee Luckham: yeah it says house on the drawing that's fine yeah

[4:49:12] Voice 24: any

[4:49:15] Trustee Luckham: other remarks no all right so

[4:49:20] Trustee Luckham: trustees um do you have any questions for staff or the applicant uh laura patrick i

[4:49:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): get i i guess

[4:49:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the only what development permit areas do we have in here is it just this is it the steep slope and

[4:49:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just trying to understand you don't have the development permit area picture in relationship to

[4:49:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): the existing cottage overlay do we we sure do let me pull that

[4:49:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): up yeah I'm just trying to find the

[4:49:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): right picture there oh so but that doesn't show the house no the comment where the um yeah and

[4:50:11] Planner Mayes: And so I guess what I'll note is that this particular property, being in Map 23, is actually exempt from Development Permit Area 6.

[4:50:19] Planner Mayes: So we'd be looking for Maps 14 and 13, and this is shown outside of that.

[4:50:25] Planner Mayes: So you'll see that those maps are located across the road, across Rowland Road.

[4:50:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): So what development permit areas apply to this property?

[4:50:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Development Permit Area 3.

[4:50:37] Planner Mayes: which

[4:50:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): is the shore only the shoreline which is the blue on this drawing that's

[4:50:42] Planner Mayes: right the purple

[4:50:43] Planner Mayes: the

[4:50:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): art i'm sorry purple

[4:50:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): blue lavender potato potato okay so then it is a very steep property

[4:50:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't i drove i guess there's a bit of a shelf so where is where are you anticipating

[4:51:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): build your new house in relationship to the existing cottage

[4:51:09] Voice 24: there's a good drawing here we go so the top left corner is where we would envision building with a

[4:51:19] Voice 24: one meter setback from the road and as far back from the the bank and

[4:51:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's a fairly heavily

[4:51:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): treed area but no

[4:51:34] Voice 24: it's not heavily there's there's some trees on the edge I wouldn't call it densely

[4:51:42] Voice 24: tree pull

[4:51:45] Planner Mayes: up a photo of that too i see you there

[4:51:53] Voice 21: okay so

[4:51:55] Voice 24: those those trees are more at the property

[4:51:57] Voice 24: line with the neighboring uh the neighboring property anyway

[4:52:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): as far as i'm concerned i'm

[4:52:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm satisfied with the one meter setback and i you know as far as the building's concerned i think

[4:52:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's between moti and it is clearly not on your property and in the in the setback a setback in

[4:52:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): the in the right away could

[4:52:37] Voice 24: could we agree if if mot grants the permission to keep it in place that

[4:52:43] Voice 24: we can leave the structure in place as a as an artist studio yeah

[4:52:59] Trustee Luckham: i think you need to get a

[4:53:00] Trustee Luckham: permit like that's the minimum um to allow that encroachment um and then we would want to consider

[4:53:09] Trustee Luckham: what we would call that because we wouldn't want to see it extensively renovated and turned into

[4:53:16] Trustee Luckham: into something else, I think.

[4:53:17] Trustee Luckham: Planner Mayes, can you assist us with some language there?

[4:53:20] Planner Mayes: Sure, so that's certainly offered

[4:53:22] Planner Mayes: as an alternative recommendation.

[4:53:24] Planner Mayes: In this case, there is a three-fold

[4:53:28] Planner Mayes: sort of jurisdictional poll

[4:53:29] Planner Mayes: on this particular dwelling unit and that request.

[4:53:34] Planner Mayes: Firstly, the building is located

[4:53:38] Planner Mayes: within the Ministry of Transportation right away,

[4:53:40] Planner Mayes: so they would need to obtain a encroachment permit

[4:53:43] Planner Mayes: from the Ministry of Transportation.

[4:53:45] Planner Mayes: Secondly, they would need to address the Capital Regional District Building Inspection Office.

[4:53:50] Planner Mayes: They have a notice on title.

[4:53:52] Planner Mayes: And so for any permits that would need to be issued for this building, which would require a change of use,

[4:54:00] Planner Mayes: and that's in order for them to get the building permit for the next or the new dwelling,

[4:54:05] Planner Mayes: because this one's currently classified as a dwelling, so that this building would require a change of use.

[4:54:10] Planner Mayes: the CRD building inspection manager has said that they will not issue a permit

[4:54:13] Planner Mayes: until the CRD notice on title is dealt with which requires both Islands Trust to permit it and that's

[4:54:21] Planner Mayes: via that zero meter variance just for that portion of the building and as well as a MOT

[4:54:25] Planner Mayes: encouragement permit and so our variance permit language requires applicants to obtain any other

[4:54:34] Planner Mayes: permissions.

[4:54:38] Trustee Grove: If I may it seems to me that that's what has to happen before we can move forward with

[4:54:44] Trustee Grove: with this so

[4:54:50] Trustee Luckham: planner mays can we issue a zero uh meter setback for the existing dwelling with the

[4:55:00] Trustee Luckham: remainder being one meter is that covered in the uh alternatives or have you thought about language

[4:55:07] Trustee Luckham: for that indeed

[4:55:08] Planner Mayes: so there is an alternate um so this this particular proposed permit provides

[4:55:14] Planner Mayes: provides that DVP request. So you can see that in yellow, that's that proposed setback for the

[4:55:19] Planner Mayes: front lot line, which is only reduced to zero meters. The remainder would be one meter.

[4:55:24] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So that's covered in the original motion?

[4:55:30] Planner Mayes: That would be one of our alternative recommendations.

[4:55:33] Trustee Grove: On what page, Christine?

[4:55:35] Planner Mayes: I can pull that up for you.

[4:55:36] Planner Mayes: Which one? That is, so that's this guy right here. So number one.

[4:55:50] Trustee Luckham: that's why i didn't see it because it was oh here we are and what page is what page number is that

[4:55:55] Trustee Luckham: sorry

[4:55:57] Planner Mayes: 306.

[4:56:01] Trustee Luckham: oh i see so i've gone past it no wonder i can't find it

[4:56:03] Trustee Grove: i was having the same

[4:56:04] Trustee Luckham: okay thank

[4:56:08] Trustee Luckham: you and

[4:56:16] Trustee Grove: append sorry appendix number six is on what page and

[4:56:29] Planner Mayes: that'll be on page 326.

[4:56:35] Voice 20: okay so

[4:56:42] Planner Mayes: HAB-Masyn Moyer- So that particular section is under B, so this section, right here.

[4:56:47] Planner Mayes: HAB

[4:56:51] Trustee Luckham: -Terry Palmos- Okay Okay, thank you so trustee Patrick you're mute.

[4:57:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): HAB-Terry Palmos- i'm inclined just to do the one meter I think they are being so far over the property line going to it's you know that I understand their desire to want to keep it, it is a small piece of property and and I don't know how they can get cars off.

[4:57:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): that i think your driveway really needs to go down through the existing building if you're going to

[4:57:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): be able to park on your property um due to the steepness and so forth so i i'm only inclined

[4:57:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): to do the one meter yeah so

[4:57:33] Trustee Grove: what do you want to what do you want to do uh laura as as recommended

[4:57:40] Trustee Luckham: on page one of the report yeah and

[4:57:52] Trustee Luckham: i'll just say i'm inclined to support what laura's thinking here

[4:57:55] Trustee Luckham: because to be honest it's a bit of a mess it's uh yeah

[4:58:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm happy to move that motion that we

[4:58:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): can discuss i move that the salt spring island local trust committee approve issuance of

[4:58:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): development variance permit ssdvp 2021.10 as shown in appendix 5 of the staff report dated july 13

[4:58:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): 2021.

[4:58:20] Trustee Luckham: okay i'll second that

[4:58:21] Trustee Luckham: okay um you want to speak to the motion further trustee patrick no

[4:58:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think this is the right path is to move toward, you know, a structure that is completely on the property for the future and will work.

[4:58:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I can understand the attachments to the existing structure, but it is very complicated.

[4:58:45] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[4:58:46] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Grove?

[4:58:47] Trustee Grove: No, that's fine.

[4:58:49] Trustee Grove: It is an unfortunate situation that we should press on.

[4:58:54] Trustee Luckham: yeah i i tend to think that if you can make that a whole cleaner title and no encumbrances it

[4:59:00] Trustee Luckham: actually makes the future for that property much better than something that's in this situation

[4:59:08] Trustee Luckham: it's unfortunate that the building was built there and that you've got a lovely piece of property

[4:59:13] Trustee Luckham: that's worth protecting so any further discussion then i'm going to call for the vote all those in

[4:59:20] Trustee Luckham: favor so that carries unanimously so you've got a permit to move on thank you very much

[4:59:27] Trustee Luckham: all right then i'm gonna now go on to uh 16.4 this is another development variance permit 2021.11

[4:59:41] Trustee Luckham: issue would at 106 mckenzie crescent piers island um as a visit to piers island in our future i'm

[4:59:49] Trustee Luckham: sure so 16.4 and geordie gordon this is your uh report so uh let's turn it over to you and i'll

[4:59:58] Trustee Luckham: ask you

[5:00:00] Trustee Luckham: property owner in the audience here yes

[5:00:02] Voice 26: i believe that

[5:00:03] Trustee Luckham: yes

[5:00:04] Voice 26: i believe it's kevin there who's the

[5:00:06] Voice 26: applicant okay

[5:00:07] Trustee Luckham: great so uh kevin uh staff will provide the report you'll have an opportunity to

[5:00:12] Trustee Luckham: speak to it and then we'll discuss it at the ltc go ahead planner gordon thank

[5:00:18] Voice 26: you chair i'm just

[5:00:19] Voice 26: going to bring up the presentation here and hopefully everyone can see that all right there

[5:00:27] Voice 20: yep looks

[5:00:28] Voice 26: like um yes so as you said this is a development variance permit application on piers

[5:00:33] Voice 26: island uh the application is to increase the height of a proposed accessory building uh by

[5:00:39] Voice 26: 1.2 meters um to 5.8 meters um proposed to be a workshop and you see plans of it in front of you

[5:00:50] Voice 26: so the height as proposed as i mentioned is 5.8 meters which is beyond the maximum of 4.6

[5:00:57] Voice 26: for accessory buildings on piers island um so the drawing on the left is the grade of the building

[5:01:05] Voice 26: and i've just highlighted on the right um the difference in floor area versus lot coverage and

[5:01:12] Voice 26: that's detailed a little bit further in the staff report but i just wanted to bring that to the

[5:01:16] Voice 26: attention that um accessory buildings are capped at uh 70 or sorry 37 square meters on piers island

[5:01:24] Voice 26: and this is sort of read up against it and in consideration of how floor area is defined.

[5:01:32] Voice 26: So these drawings show the location of the proposed building in relation to the rest of the

[5:01:40] Voice 26: property. As a result of the proximity to the shoreline and the proximity to a registered

[5:01:48] Voice 26: archaeological site, staff did request that the applicant get comment from the BC Archaeology

[5:01:54] Voice 26: branch on requirements for any necessary permits, which the applicant did do. They received comment

[5:02:01] Voice 26: that it was recommended that the applicant retain an eligible consulting archaeologist to determine

[5:02:09] Voice 26: if there's any impact to the registered archaeological site and that's the recommendation

[5:02:17] Voice 26: of staff is to sort of solidify this request from the recommendation from the ARC branch to

[5:02:23] Voice 26: retain that eligible Consulting Archaeologist and submit the findings to the Local Trust

[5:02:30] Voice 26: Committee before further consideration of the variance permit. I should note too that with

[5:02:37] Voice 26: regard to the actual variance permit, relatively minor in staff size and would be supportable

[5:02:44] Voice 26: pending this confirmation that there's going to be no disturbance of the area and staff haven't

[5:02:50] Voice 26: received any uh correspondence as of this meeting uh from neighbors which in a case like this would

[5:02:57] Voice 26: probably be the primary consideration um in terms of visual impact on surrounding properties so

[5:03:02] Voice 26: having heard non-stop don't have any significant concerns with with the request itself then i'll

[5:03:10] Voice 26: leave it there i'm happy to take any questions obviously okay

[5:03:13] Trustee Luckham: thank you planner gordon so um

[5:03:17] Trustee Luckham: kevin did we lose you here or you've switched over there you are so your opportunity to speak

[5:03:22] Trustee Luckham: to the ltc go ahead okay

[5:03:26] Voice 5: thank you for having me i appreciate it um this is the first time

[5:03:32] Voice 5: working with me sort of process like this um i don't know if there's too much for me to speak to

[5:03:40] Voice 5: i appreciate the report my majority is um just regarding the actual site uh and the archaeological

[5:03:49] Voice 5: data that's collected there there's not really much um information having reached out to the

[5:03:53] Voice 5: archaeological branch throughout the report and we're based on the report we're far enough back

[5:03:59] Voice 5: we're not really considered part of what is the area of concern in on-site and then the areas of

[5:04:09] Voice 5: concern extend further to the west to the property and we're sort of just hitting the corner of it

[5:04:15] Voice 5: on the very northwest corner of our property it does appear to be quite quite minor the site that

[5:04:22] Voice 5: we are proposing to occupy was previously occupied by a work shed in the 70s and

[5:04:28] Voice 5: having cleared that site myself it's quite I mean I don't anticipate finding any archaeological data

[5:04:40] Voice 5: there at all but of course I appreciate the planned permit recommendations.

[5:04:47] Trustee Luckham: Okay thank you

[5:04:48] Trustee Luckham: sir. So trustees do you have any questions for staff or the applicant? Peter Grove. I'll start

[5:04:55] Trustee Grove: quick one, Kevin, I couldn't really hear you very clearly because there's some sort of an echo.

[5:05:00] Trustee Grove: Bottom line, are you in support of what staff is recommending?

[5:05:07] Voice 5: I don't think it's necessary to get an archaeological report on the site,

[5:05:13] Voice 5: so on that I would say no, I'm not necessarily in support of proceeding with the archaeological

[5:05:19] Voice 5: information.

[5:05:21] Trustee Grove: Yeah, unfortunately I'm not an expert either, so we have to listen to what

[5:05:26] Trustee Grove: the archaeological branch has to say anyway thank you

[5:05:29] Trustee Luckham: trustee trustee patrick do you have anything

[5:05:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): well i think it's as as we hope kevin we hope that um that it is um overly protective but it is

[5:05:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the the drawings and the maps that were made or are you know nothing is perfect um so the site

[5:05:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): could be larger than where it's mapped and it could be smaller than where it's mapped and so

[5:05:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think getting this information, two things.

[5:06:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): One is I highly encourage you to be present when the archaeologist is on site because

[5:06:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): you learn an immense amount about what to look for, what to recognize and those things.

[5:06:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And it'll just help your respect for your own property.

[5:06:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, it can be quite a fascinating thing.

[5:06:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I would encourage you to take it as that approach and really learn.

[5:06:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I would hope your site is as clean as you expect it to be and then you've got that added

[5:06:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): knowledge that it is absolutely. So it's peace of mind and respect to do this. I would highly support

[5:06:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): it.

[5:06:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So indeed, thank you, Trustee Patrick. We have been surprised before about what has been

[5:06:47] Trustee Luckham: been found and the, you know, the population that lived and existed in the Gulf Islands

[5:06:56] Trustee Luckham: is significant and we just must take an abundance of caution on these things because a great

[5:07:05] Trustee Luckham: deal of harm can be done.

[5:07:07] Trustee Luckham: So therefore, I'm going to go back to trustees and ask you to make a motion.

[5:07:16] Trustee Grove: Happy to unless you would like to, Laura.

[5:07:18] Trustee Grove: I

[5:07:21] Trustee Luckham: move that

[5:07:23] Trustee Grove: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request that the applicant submit

[5:07:26] Trustee Grove: to the Islands Trust an assessment report completed by an eligible consulting archaeologist

[5:07:31] Trustee Grove: which determines whether the proposed development activities presented in SSDBP 2021.11 are

[5:07:39] Trustee Grove: likely to damage or alter any unrecorded portions of the protected archaeological site on the

[5:07:44] Trustee Grove: subject property.

[5:07:45] Trustee Luckham: moved seconded any other uh discussion trustee patrick i

[5:07:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): would encourage us the i mean i i know

[5:07:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): some of the language maybe it's from the policy statement that we're also another site where we've

[5:08:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): been recognizing um um indigenous knowledge keepers equality i don't know what the term is so

[5:08:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): perhaps i think you could standing with this motion perhaps inquire with our island stress staff

[5:08:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): if there's a there's archaeology consultants but there's also um indigenous knowledge keepers that

[5:08:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): i believe are you know qualified for this work as well so but i say speak to staff they can give

[5:08:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): you that information okay

[5:08:33] Trustee Luckham: any further discussion all those in favor so that carries also so thank

[5:08:43] Trustee Luckham: you for joining us kevin and good luck with that uh project you've got there

[5:08:47] Voice 19: let us now

[5:08:49] Trustee Luckham: move on results been rezoning 2017.2 that's uh fernando santos uh 221 drake road on page 359.

[5:09:02] Trustee Luckham: all right and planner gordon this is your report also this application has been around for a while

[5:09:14] Trustee Luckham: and so Mr. DeSantos I think you're familiar with our process so I'll turn

[5:09:20] Trustee Luckham: it over to planner Gordon and then you'll have your opportunity to speak to

[5:09:23] Trustee Luckham: the recommendation go ahead planner Gordon thank

[5:09:26] Voice 26: you chair yes as you as

[5:09:28] Voice 26: you've mentioned this is an application that the LTC is likely already familiar

[5:09:33] Voice 26: with so I'll keep my comments fairly brief really this is an update to the

[5:09:38] Voice 26: LTC that's required due to some more information coming from the applicants and that sort of

[5:09:47] Voice 26: resulted in a change I would say a change of mechanism by which they want to achieve the 30

[5:09:52] Voice 26: densities on the subject property so just as a reminder previously the rezoning was to amend

[5:10:00] Voice 26: the land use bylaw to reduce the size of a lot required for subdivision quite substantially

[5:10:05] Voice 26: Essentially, instead, the applicant is no longer pursuing a bare land subdivision, and the amendments to the land use by-law reflect that.

[5:10:16] Voice 26: Instead, they're just seeking the 30 affordable housing units outright, and that's reflected in the draft by-law.

[5:10:24] Voice 26: Other significant changes to perhaps consider with that are the fact that by not going through the conventional subdivision process, they will be pursuing a building strata and that sort of bypasses approval requirements of local government.

[5:10:42] Voice 26: So, considerations such as, I think primarily in this case, the condition of Drake Road, as might be commented on by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, comments wouldn't be provided at the same time at subdivision.

[5:11:02] Voice 26: as well changes to the bylaw the provision of a common house with some guest bedrooms

[5:11:10] Voice 26: I'm happy to go into more detail on that too if the LT says questions on that essentially they

[5:11:15] Voice 26: would be available for use to residents of the property for the guests as opposed to having

[5:11:21] Voice 26: guest bedrooms in each of the individual units and so another significant movement on this

[5:11:28] Voice 26: application has been the granting of the water license which is discussed in the staff report

[5:11:35] Voice 26: and something to key in on that is the provision that it allows 800 liters per day throughout the

[5:11:44] Voice 26: year for each unit I'm happy to go into more detail again on exactly how the water license

[5:11:49] Voice 26: was granted and what that means but because of that staff have recommended that the LTC look

[5:11:55] Voice 26: for water management plan as reflected in the resolutions here which would further identify

[5:12:03] Voice 26: water sources and how they might be serviced and lastly the need for housing agreement remains

[5:12:13] Voice 26: the ltc has previously endorsed a cost recovery agreement however that process was stopped and

[5:12:19] Voice 26: it's sort of been with the funds have been withdrawn so there's a need to enter into a

[5:12:24] Voice 26: a housing agreement or a cost recovery for review legal review of the housing agreement again

[5:12:30] Voice 26: so really what um what staff are recommending here at this point is to is to rescind the previous

[5:12:37] Voice 26: land use bylaw which uh which put forward the reduced lot sizes for subdivision um to amend it

[5:12:46] Voice 26: um as presented in the staff report which would allow for the 30 units outright

[5:12:51] Voice 26: right um and then to give that first reading and then to refer it once again to the agencies for

[5:12:57] Voice 26: comment um as the intent of the vial has changed significantly as well there is the um the

[5:13:05] Voice 26: recommendation for the uh water management plan and as well the uh cost recovery agreement so we

[5:13:13] Voice 26: have uh seven recommendations uh in front of you there and i'm gonna leave it there i'm happy to

[5:13:18] Voice 26: take any questions i know um fernando likely has some comments to share with you as well

[5:13:26] Trustee Luckham: thank you planning gordon so uh mr dos santos um do you have any comments with regards to the

[5:13:33] Trustee Luckham: recommendations of your project overall that you'd like to share with the ltc welcome thank you very

[5:13:39] Voice 2: much uh no i appreciate the staff's work on this and we're completely in support of what they've

[5:13:44] Voice 2: suggested i think all those measures are reasonable and doable the only thing i'd like to

[5:13:50] Voice 2: to share with you is that we've got some fairly we've been working quite hard on this project

[5:13:55] Voice 2: lately and we've got we're making some good headway with regard to once we got our water

[5:14:00] Voice 2: license things changed we're now in the position to try and negotiate something with north salt

[5:14:04] Voice 2: spring and they've uh they've um passed a motion to apply for a grant as a co-applicant with us

[5:14:12] Voice 2: through canada mortgage housing society commission cmhc and um it's for 75 000 and i've been working

[5:14:20] Voice 2: on it for the last two weeks. As you know, these grant applications are complicated,

[5:14:25] Voice 2: but it looks really favorable. It looks likely we're going to be able to get it and that would

[5:14:29] Voice 2: be $75,000 that could be applied to a fair amount of the pre-development work for this project,

[5:14:36] Voice 2: which would really help us. And then they have a further pool of $38 million available to those 30

[5:14:42] Voice 2: applicants for development costs, which could go a long way to help this project actually be

[5:14:48] Voice 2: be affordable. So we're very excited about that. And we're working quite hard to make that happen

[5:14:53] Voice 2: along with the work Geordie has done to prepare this application for your consideration. And

[5:14:59] Voice 2: T-Sci has been incredibly helpful. I've got a shout out to her for all the help she's provided to us.

[5:15:07] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, thank you very much. And thank you for that good information. So trustees,

[5:15:14] Trustee Luckham: do you have any questions for staff or the applicant? Trustee Patrick?

[5:15:20] Trustee Luckham: Mine

[5:15:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): is more a comment. I really want to thank you for everything you've done and I'm so grateful

[5:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): for Kisai and others that are so supportive of one another for moving these projects forward and

[5:15:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): really appreciate your dedication to hanging in there and trying to move this over the finish

[5:15:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): line. So thank you.

[5:15:44] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, thank you. Peter Grove.

[5:15:47] Trustee Luckham: no

[5:15:48] Trustee Grove: i just want to i'm so pleased to see this where it's at there's so much energy and effort

[5:15:53] Trustee Grove: has gone into it by so many people particularly the dos santos tammy and fernando and uh so pleased

[5:15:59] Trustee Grove: to see it moving ahead so um i'll move to the salt spring island local trust committee rescind first

[5:16:03] Trustee Grove: reading of bylaw number 505 besides the salt spring island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number

[5:16:10] Trustee Grove: before 27.

[5:16:12] Trustee Luckham: so that's moved and seconded any discussion all those in favor that carries

[5:16:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i move that the salt spring island local trust committee and then bylaw number 505 cited as salt

[5:16:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): spring island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number 4 2017 as presented in appendix 1 of the staff

[5:16:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): report dated july 27 2021 second

[5:16:37] Trustee Grove: moved

[5:16:39] Trustee Luckham: and seconded any discussion all those in favor

[5:16:44] Trustee Luckham: that carries and

[5:16:46] Trustee Grove: i move that the salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number 505

[5:16:49] Trustee Grove: cited the salt spring island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number 4 2017 as amended be read a first

[5:16:56] Trustee Grove: time moved

[5:16:58] Trustee Luckham: and seconded any discussion all those in favor that carries and

[5:17:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll move that the

[5:17:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): salisbury island local trust committee request staff refer bylaw number 505 to agency organizations

[5:17:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and first nations as identified in the staff report dated july 27 2021 second

[5:17:19] Trustee Grove: moved and

[5:17:21] Trustee Luckham: seconded any discussion all those in favor that carries and

[5:17:28] Trustee Grove: i'll move the salisbury island local

[5:17:29] Trustee Grove: trust committee has reviewed the directives only policy checklist and determined that proposed

[5:17:34] Trustee Grove: draft bylaw number 505 is not contrary to or at variance with the islands trust policies

[5:17:39] Trustee Grove: moved

[5:17:42] Trustee Luckham: and seconded any other discussion all those in favor that carries

[5:17:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): peter did this on purpose

[5:17:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i get the long one um i know that the salt spring island local trust committee requests

[5:17:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the applicant submit to the Islands Trust

[5:17:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): a water management report prepared

[5:18:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): by a professional engineer or geoscientist providing

[5:18:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): identification of all proposed water sources,

[5:18:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): identification of how each type of water use,

[5:18:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): identification of water quality analysis

[5:18:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): and treatment options,

[5:18:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): and identification of small water systems operator,

[5:18:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): identification of small water systems operator

[5:18:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): operator for water supply systems, a system that just didn't seem to speak English,

[5:18:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): an estimate of the total number of occupants the available groundwater will support based on the

[5:18:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): sustainable yield of the well and use of supplementary water resources.

[5:18:50] Trustee Luckham: Are

[5:18:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): there more? Oh, sorry, it kept going on the next page.

[5:18:54] Trustee Luckham: Sorry about that.

[5:18:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): an estimate of how many dwelling units the proposed water supply system would service based

[5:19:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): on occupancy rates consistent with prevent provincial design guidelines for rural residential

[5:19:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): community water systems or the bc census and a continuous monitoring plan for the water levels

[5:19:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): in the source groundwater well and an observation well i'll

[5:19:19] Trustee Grove: second that all

[5:19:21] Trustee Luckham: right very good and for

[5:19:22] Trustee Luckham: for the benefit of the members of the public,

[5:19:25] Trustee Luckham: that is recommendation number six on page 359 and 360.

[5:19:31] Trustee Luckham: And thank you, Laura, for getting through that.

[5:19:35] Trustee Luckham: Is there any discussion on the motion?

[5:19:39] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:19:41] Trustee Luckham: That carries unanimously.

[5:19:44] Trustee Luckham: So we have one more, Peter, I think.

[5:19:46] Trustee Grove: So last but not least,

[5:19:47] Trustee Grove: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:19:49] Trustee Grove: Committee endorse staff entering into a cost recovery agreement with the applicant for

[5:19:55] Trustee Grove: file SSRZ 2017.2 pursuant to the Trust Council Policy and Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[5:20:01] Trustee Grove: Committee By-law number 428 required for Islands Trust legal review of all covenants related

[5:20:06] Trustee Grove: to the subject application.

[5:20:08] Trustee Grove: Okay,

[5:20:12] Trustee Luckham: moved and seconded.

[5:20:13] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, any discussion?

[5:20:16] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:20:19] Trustee Luckham: That also carries.

[5:20:21] Trustee Luckham: So I do believe that completes that body of work and I'm very pleased to see this here

[5:20:27] Trustee Luckham: and want to thank the applicant for their work in the community, this is significant.

[5:20:33] Trustee Luckham: And I also want to recognize that Planner Gordon, I think you've got some kudos there

[5:20:37] Trustee Luckham: for working with the applicant and that's nice to have also, so thank you Planner Gordon.

[5:20:44] Trustee Luckham: so i think that concludes the applications and referrals today if i'm not mistaken and um

[5:20:53] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much everybody and so we'll continue on to the next meeting which is 9 30

[5:20:59] Trustee Luckham: august 31st um and i'm guessing we're still going to be online at that point but certainly look

[5:21:07] Trustee Luckham: forward to having some in-person meetings in your community um anything else from uh anybody

[5:21:15] Trustee Luckham: otherwise i'll think of the meeting as concluded trustee patrick and the trust well i

[5:21:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): guess i just

[5:21:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): wanted to when is our is it 90 days we were okay to continue or do we want to i guess is it well

[5:21:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): i guess we'll just assume we are maybe the september meeting would be in person

[5:21:34] Trustee Luckham: yeah i

[5:21:35] Trustee Luckham: I think that's quite likely, and we will have to wait for an update from the CAO as much

[5:21:41] Trustee Luckham: as from anybody on that, unless Planet Garbo had some advice to share with us at this time.

[5:21:47] Voice 16: No, you're correct.

[5:21:48] Voice 16: My understanding is we're recommending the trustee or LTC to continue electronic meetings

[5:21:54] Voice 16: in August.

[5:21:56] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:21:59] Trustee Grove: With regard to additional meetings, if and when we need to meet with Pierce Island, that

[5:22:05] Trustee Grove: would be a logical one to do electronically even if public meetings are allowed i would strongly

[5:22:11] Trustee Grove: support that you

[5:22:13] Trustee Luckham: don't want to go for a golf cart right around the island not

[5:22:17] Trustee Grove: not for not for a

[5:22:19] Trustee Grove: second time we did it and it was great and it was lovely to meet everybody but for that decision i

[5:22:23] Trustee Grove: don't think it's really helpful for us to go over there i

[5:22:27] Trustee Luckham: i think we should just keep that open

[5:22:30] Trustee Luckham: community building is always worth doing happy

[5:22:33] Trustee Grove: to keep it open but let's bear that in mind

[5:22:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So, if there's no further business today, I'll ask one of you to move for adjournment.

[5:22:43] Trustee Grove: So moved.

[5:22:45] Trustee Luckham: Moved by Trustee Groves, seconded by Trustee Patrick. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, staff.

[5:22:50] Trustee Luckham: Louisa, for filling in for Stefan and all of the support.

[5:22:54] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for going on me.

[5:22:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Ciao.