Islands Trust Executive Committee regular meeting, July 29, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, I'm going to start, and hopefully, if there are people that are wanting to join us, I may want to remind you that if you want to participate in the meeting, you should not go to the live broadcast, but rather go to the webinar.

[0:00:17] Trustee Rogers: There are separate links on the webpage, and that will bring you in as what's known as an attendee, and it will allow you to raise your hand.

[0:00:27] Trustee Rogers: and then we can if you're watching on the broadcast however we don't we don't know that

[0:00:33] Trustee Rogers: you're there um and can't you know put you in the meeting so in any case we're going to start

[0:00:40] Trustee Rogers: and if there's other people that wish to join us they will continue to come in so good morning and

[0:00:45] Trustee Rogers: and welcome to the uh gabriola local uh trust committee meeting for a uh continuingly dry and

[0:00:54] Trustee Rogers: beautiful July the 29th of 2021. I want to welcome you all to this regular meeting.

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers: As always, I wish to start by acknowledging the fact that we're privileged and

[0:01:09] Trustee Rogers: very grateful for the fact of living in the traditional territory of the

[0:01:17] Trustee Rogers: Hussailish peoples and, in particular, the traditional territory of the Sonamik First

[0:01:23] Trustee Rogers: First Nation, as we continue through this journey of both the trust and our personal

[0:01:30] Trustee Rogers: journeys of reconciliation and understanding and listening, and as we try, as there are

[0:01:38] Trustee Rogers: stories of the pain of the unveiling of the types of activities of previous generations

[0:01:47] Trustee Rogers: generations and the ongoing activities that affect in such a meaningful and dramatic and

[0:01:53] Trustee Rogers: negative way the First Nations people of this country. It gives us pause for reflection and I

[0:01:59] Trustee Rogers: give you and I suggest you all take the time to just think about what that means for you

[0:02:03] Trustee Rogers: today and on going forward and how your life is affected and how you can be a partner in

[0:02:15] Trustee Rogers: reconciliation. I often at this moment give Trustee Colburn and Trustee Longer as a moment

[0:02:21] Trustee Rogers: if they'd like to say anything in relation to the land acknowledgement. So do either of you wish to

[0:02:28] Trustee Rogers: indicate anything? Yeah,

[0:02:31] Voice 23: I would like to also acknowledge my feeling of privilege to be able

[0:02:35] Voice 23: to live on the island of the Sanemo First Nation Territory and an island that they have for so many

[0:02:42] Voice 23: many generations and thousands of years preserved and protected in the way and I'm hoping that we

[0:02:46] Voice 23: can do the same or mirror what they have achieved over the years and continue to do so.

[0:02:55] Trustee Colbourne: I'm here

[0:02:56] Trustee Colbourne: at Wasumi Letsun, closer together Twin Beaches, Gibraltar Sands. I want to

[0:03:02] Trustee Colbourne: thank Elders Geraldine and Gary Manson for the learning in terms of place names and I echo

[0:03:10] Trustee Colbourne: what both of you have said and you know there's a lot of things to celebrate, there's a lot of

[0:03:15] Trustee Colbourne: things to think about and to really dig deeper into but there's an announcement yesterday that

[0:03:20] Trustee Colbourne: the federal government, the provincial government has signed a tripartite agreement

[0:03:25] Trustee Colbourne: and so you know that 1854 treaty, we are all treaty people and it feels like senior levels

[0:03:31] Trustee Colbourne: of government are stepping up as we are to live within those treaties and to respect where we are

[0:03:37] Trustee Colbourne: and how they have been cared for in ways of knowing that go back thousands of years.

[0:03:43] Trustee Colbourne: Thank

[0:03:45] Trustee Rogers: you, Trustee Coburn and Trustee Langer. I appreciate that. So this is the continuation of our electronic meetings. If the progress with COVID and the health outcomes for the province continue, we are very hopeful and are actually planning towards moving back into some form of an in-person meeting come the fall, come September.

[0:04:14] Trustee Rogers: I would very much like to be once again on, on, uh, Gabriola, uh, as I haven't been there since

[0:04:21] Trustee Rogers: at least March may have been February since the last time we actually had an in-person meeting

[0:04:26] Trustee Rogers: on Gabriola. Um, and it's, um, uh, Oh, I've got to know it's not September. I guess we don't have

[0:04:34] Trustee Rogers: a meeting in September. It must be early, very early October. If that's our next meeting.

[0:04:44] Trustee Rogers: well no no we uh we uh may very well that that'll be a discussion that we have at this meeting there

[0:04:50] Trustee Rogers: are some local trust committees that are going back so we'll um you're right the end of the 90

[0:04:59] Trustee Rogers: days of the two in order to go back to fully um uh elect fully in-person meetings is probably

[0:05:07] Trustee Rogers: beginning of october however um it's really at this point up to local trust committees as to

[0:05:12] Trustee Rogers: wish them what they wish to do. So this is a Zoom meeting. People are joining us by webinar. I see

[0:05:22] Trustee Rogers: we now have 11 attendees. The process you'll see is you'll see the participants from the Local Trust

[0:05:28] Trustee Rogers: Committee and from staff on your camera throughout the meeting. I'm going to take a moment and

[0:05:33] Trustee Rogers: introduce the people you're seeing on your screen. Some of them will turn their cameras off until

[0:05:38] Trustee Rogers: until they're needed or part of the process.

[0:05:43] Trustee Rogers: But in the meantime,

[0:05:45] Trustee Rogers: I'll just start with just people you're seeing.

[0:05:47] Trustee Rogers: You're seeing nine people on your screen at the moment.

[0:05:49] Trustee Rogers: First of all, you have your local trustees,

[0:05:51] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Scott Colburn and Trustee Case Longrise.

[0:05:55] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure you know both of them.

[0:05:57] Trustee Rogers: We have RPM Heather Cower.

[0:05:59] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you, Heather.

[0:06:01] Trustee Rogers: We have Island Planner.

[0:06:03] Trustee Rogers: There she is, Sonia Zupanich, Sonia Zupanich.

[0:06:06] and

[0:06:08] Trustee Rogers: nice to see you Sonia and we also have planner Ian Cox with us today and we have

[0:06:17] Trustee Rogers: planner Teresa Mejiqua nice to see you Teresa we'll see both of them all of them as we go

[0:06:22] Trustee Rogers: through the process as well you'll see our recorder as always Nadine Moreau hi Nadine

[0:06:28] Trustee Rogers: as always lovely to see you and Will Cottingham who is the planning assistant I think that's your

[0:06:35] Trustee Rogers: title um maybe i've got that wrong i get confused but anyway will is the person whom you'll see hear

[0:06:42] Trustee Rogers: me speak from time to time because she's running um spaceship trust council the local trust committee

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers: behind the scenes she's running the controls and and uh i thank her for all of her work through

[0:06:53] Trustee Rogers: this particularly i want to thank will because she stepped in some of the southern gulf islands uh

[0:06:58] Trustee Rogers: local trust committees as well and so i've had the pleasure of working on there as we've lost

[0:07:02] Trustee Rogers: as we've had a staff member go on this appointment will has become becoming more familiar with how we

[0:07:09] Trustee Rogers: do work how the work is unfolding in the local trust of the southern gulf islands as well as

[0:07:14] Trustee Rogers: on gabriel and all of the northern islands um so what will occur is we will be on on this zoom

[0:07:21] Trustee Rogers: webinar throughout the morning and the afternoon for as long as the meeting goes uh you will be

[0:07:26] Trustee Rogers: able to observe as all of our discussions between the the uh on the local of the local trust

[0:07:31] Trustee Rogers: committee and as the staff reports we will have a number of applications we'll have a few moments

[0:07:37] Trustee Rogers: where there will be time for people to participate in in commentating on on items that we are working

[0:07:46] Trustee Rogers: on that are on our agenda in other words we have a town hall at the beginning if you're an applicant

[0:07:50] Trustee Rogers: you'll have an opportunity to speak to the application when we reach that um and you'll

[0:07:56] Trustee Rogers: I'll flag those opportunities for you when we get to them, and you'll have an opportunity to be unmuted, turn your camera on if you wish, and you can also put your hand up at any point during those moments if you wish to speak.

[0:08:13] Trustee Rogers: there's a raise hand button uh the technology is not perfect we occasionally lose connectivity and

[0:08:20] Trustee Rogers: we apologize for that in advance but we've been doing this for a while and for the most part it

[0:08:24] Trustee Rogers: seems to work for people so we very much appreciate the ability to do that um so uh with that uh

[0:08:32] Trustee Rogers: that's the way the the meeting will unfold we have an agenda which is on our oh and i should add that

[0:08:37] Trustee Rogers: that the meeting is being recorded

[0:08:40] Trustee Rogers: and it will be available on the website

[0:08:42] Trustee Rogers: within a matter of days.

[0:08:44] Trustee Rogers: You can watch it at your leisure

[0:08:47] Trustee Rogers: at a time that's more convenient for you

[0:08:49] Trustee Rogers: or watch parts of it, you can move through it.

[0:08:53] Trustee Rogers: And so that's the other aspect of the agenda,

[0:08:57] Trustee Rogers: sorry, the process that you should be aware of.

[0:09:00] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for joining us.

[0:09:02] Trustee Rogers: And as I said, you'll hear us as we go along through this.

[0:09:06] Trustee Rogers: so first of all up on the agenda is we do have a couple of items we have the agenda that we need to

[0:09:14] Trustee Rogers: approve and i know there are at least two items we need to discuss related to the order of the agenda

[0:09:22] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to raise them first i'm going to ask i know that trustee colburn has asked

[0:09:27] Trustee Rogers: for a report slash discussion on i think you want to know about

[0:09:34] Trustee Rogers: enforcement on commercial vacation rentals. Is that what it is you're looking for, Trustee Colbert?

[0:09:39] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, that's right. With the manager of bylaw compliance and enforcement, Warren Dingman.

[0:09:45] Trustee Colbourne: And I just wanted to give us an opportunity for him to give us the public information on files

[0:09:50] Trustee Colbourne: and a report on that.

[0:09:51] Trustee Rogers: So where do you want that? And I only asked that because we could put it

[0:09:57] Trustee Rogers: under new business or under projects, but I wondered if you wanted to have that discussion

[0:10:02] Trustee Rogers: prior to any one of the applications that relates to a tup application yeah

[0:10:08] Trustee Colbourne: i think i think before

[0:10:10] Trustee Colbourne: that application would make sense just so we have a clear understanding that um of which files are

[0:10:15] Trustee Colbourne: open and how many and that sort of thing um but maybe just i don't know about manager digman's

[0:10:21] Trustee Colbourne: time either if it makes sense to do that earlier in the meeting as opposed to coming back later

[0:10:27] Trustee Colbourne: right before

[0:10:28] Trustee Rogers: the well why don't we why don't we why don't we do this why don't we do it

[0:10:34] Trustee Rogers: um why don't we do it uh right after item six so if we can so right after the business

[0:10:44] Trustee Rogers: arising from the meetings uh what if we did it at 6.4 uh we'll just put in um report on

[0:10:53] Trustee Rogers: on conversional vacation rental enforcement.

[0:10:59] Trustee Rogers: And that would probably be within the first 45 minutes.

[0:11:04] Trustee Rogers: Is that okay, Warren?

[0:11:06] Trustee Rogers: Yes, it is, yeah.

[0:11:07] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, so we'll give you a quick flag,

[0:11:09] Trustee Rogers: but if you're monitoring us,

[0:11:10] Trustee Rogers: it shouldn't take us that long to get to that.

[0:11:13] Trustee Rogers: Most of the reports up until that time

[0:11:17] Trustee Rogers: should be relatively short compared to other applications.

[0:11:22] Trustee Rogers: And then the other item I wanted to just discuss with, although it may not be as relevant given, I had somewhat anticipated that we would have a lot of people here to speak to us, but I see we have 11 attendees at the moment, some names that I recognize.

[0:11:43] Trustee Rogers: eyes uh and i say that because we got so much correspondence related to uh tup 2021.1 that i

[0:11:53] Trustee Rogers: anticipated a number of people would come to speak at town hall but i don't see them because i wanted

[0:11:58] Trustee Rogers: to ask the trustees as to how they wish to deal with that uh as to as to whether i should and i

[0:12:03] Trustee Rogers: but i'm now leaning towards just leaving it to be people to speak to it in town hall uh rather than

[0:12:09] Trustee Rogers: and try and set up a special time but I'm open to the discussion my view is that's where they

[0:12:13] Trustee Rogers: usually go other than the applicant is in the town hall but occasionally I've heard trustees

[0:12:19] Trustee Rogers: say well we'd like to hear them in the context of the actual application yeah my preference would

[0:12:25] Voice 23: be to just to keep it where it is at this point in time because people would be looking at the

[0:12:29] Voice 23: agenda and signing in at this time and then if we were to change it potentially some of them may not

[0:12:35] Voice 23: be able to attend because of other commitments assuming that it would occur you know early in

[0:12:40] Voice 23: the meeting so that's just my preference trustee

[0:12:43] Trustee Colbourne: colbert so trustee long as you're saying do the

[0:12:46] Trustee Colbourne: do the do the town hall and have any um comments regarding the the tup application within the town

[0:12:53] Trustee Colbourne: hall yes

[0:12:54] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay yep that makes sense so that's fine i'm fine with that as i said if there had

[0:12:59] Trustee Rogers: been 30 people here i might have suggested we segregated out but i'm fine with that um

[0:13:05] Trustee Rogers: anyway that's good we'll just keep the uh the agenda as it is on that score are there any other

[0:13:11] Trustee Rogers: changes either of you'd like to make or additions either of you'd like to make nothing from trustee

[0:13:16] Trustee Rogers: line guys uh

[0:13:17] Trustee Colbourne: i have a question regarding the governance and management review and the

[0:13:21] Trustee Colbourne: interviews and and and who is on the list of interviews and who isn't and how to put forward

[0:13:25] Trustee Colbourne: names. I don't know if Trustee Langeras is the Gabriola representative on the select committee

[0:13:31] Trustee Colbourne: overseeing that, but I don't quite know the process for putting forward, say, a staff member's name or

[0:13:37] Trustee Colbourne: someone for the interview process.

[0:13:40] Voice 23: Yeah, well, the staff member names are being put forward by staff,

[0:13:45] Voice 23: by Russ, and we're all getting the invitations,

[0:13:52] Voice 23: all 26 trustees to participate in the interview.

[0:13:58] Voice 23: Okay,

[0:13:58] Trustee Rogers: so rather than discuss that now,

[0:14:01] Trustee Rogers: why don't I just put under 3.5,

[0:14:04] Trustee Rogers: I'll just put a question regarding governance

[0:14:07] Trustee Rogers: and governance report interviews,

[0:14:09] Trustee Rogers: and we can just have a very brief discussion.

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers: I can tell you what I know as well,

[0:14:13] Trustee Rogers: over but i probably don't know as much as trustee or so we'll put that as 3.5 anything else

[0:14:21] Trustee Rogers: anybody wishes to put on the agenda no then we'll take as amended uh we'll take the approval of the

[0:14:29] Trustee Rogers: agenda just give me a second um i have a rise in report from uh the last meeting of the in-camera

[0:14:38] Trustee Rogers: section and I had it on my other computer which is very slow this morning close let me find it

[0:14:50] Trustee Rogers: but it the effectively what it was was that there it is that the we adopted in camera meetings from

[0:15:01] Trustee Rogers: May the 13th of 2021 we appointed the synthetic to the Gabriel housing advisory planning commission

[0:15:09] Trustee Rogers: And we approved a motion to write to the Development Approval Officer of the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, Modi, regarding the center stage subdivision.

[0:15:20] Trustee Rogers: So you can find that RISD report in the minutes from the last meeting.

[0:15:25] Trustee Rogers: However, our process has become, because we go into camera almost always at the end of the meeting,

[0:15:33] Trustee Rogers: and uh and then um uh there's most people and the meeting is locked and closed we don't have

[0:15:40] Trustee Rogers: an opportunity to report out to the the uh the the community so that's we do that at the beginning

[0:15:47] Trustee Rogers: of the next meeting so that was our rise and report from june the 17th 2021 um so if there's

[0:15:55] Trustee Rogers: nothing further on that we're at the trustee reports and i'll go to uh the trustees first

[0:16:01] Trustee Rogers: and ask you for your report to the community.

[0:16:07] Voice 23: Who

[0:16:07] Trustee Rogers: would like to go first?

[0:16:08] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langeras, I saw you on mute first.

[0:16:10] Voice 23: Okay, yeah, I'll start first.

[0:16:12] Voice 23: I don't have a lot to report other than,

[0:16:17] Voice 23: we attended this special trust council meeting, of course,

[0:16:22] Voice 23: and we made that decision on the moving forward or not

[0:16:27] Voice 23: on the revised trust policy statement

[0:16:30] Voice 23: draft bylaw so that's that's the process that we're in now of course is that local trustees

[0:16:37] Voice 23: will be trying we'll be putting things out to the community on the trust policy statement until the

[0:16:41] Voice 23: September meeting and you know I'm in the midst and I have posted one document which provides a

[0:16:51] Voice 23: all of the local trust committee directives that exist in the revised policy statement

[0:16:58] Voice 23: statement with the existing trust policy statement directives so it's only about the directives

[0:17:04] Voice 23: because those are the the key policies that affect how local trust committee bylaws operate i mean

[0:17:11] Voice 23: you know executive committee gets a bylaw from us they have to look at the trust policy statement

[0:17:16] Voice 23: directives and make sure that it's consistent with whatever is there so i just provided factual

[0:17:21] Voice 23: information i did in this document i tried to describe what i see as some of the difference

[0:17:26] Voice 23: in wording. I didn't input any personal opinions on it. It was just strictly factual information

[0:17:32] Voice 23: that I hope will assist the public in understanding what the difference is between

[0:17:38] Voice 23: the policies and hopefully reduce some of the anxiety about the massive changes that have

[0:17:44] Voice 23: occurred. You know, that seems to be in the public for some people anyway. So I've done that. I'm

[0:17:50] Voice 23: I'm doing another couple of documents also

[0:17:52] Voice 23: and comparing the commitments of Trust Council

[0:17:58] Voice 23: with the local Trust Committee directives

[0:18:01] Voice 23: and seeing where they mesh and where they are different.

[0:18:04] Voice 23: And that'll be coming out shortly as well.

[0:18:06] Voice 23: So I'm doing that.

[0:18:10] Voice 23: Locally, it seems to be ferry overloads and water.

[0:18:14] Voice 23: You know, the lack of water is one of the key issues

[0:18:17] Voice 23: happening on the island right now.

[0:18:19] Voice 23: we're certainly getting a lot of comments made about about the water the lack of water and i

[0:18:27] Voice 23: know that a local purveyor apparently is going over three times a day to haul water from the

[0:18:32] Voice 23: nymo as opposed to drawing from local wells so it's it's becoming an issue well obviously with

[0:18:37] Voice 23: this change in weather that we're experiencing um i also attended an interesting webinar by

[0:18:44] Voice 23: held by Raincoast Forest Foundation on pre-cutting permits.

[0:18:53] Voice 23: And what can and can't be done was by local trust committees.

[0:18:58] Voice 23: And it was attended, Sean Adol was there as well as trustee Deb Morrison.

[0:19:02] Voice 23: And it was interesting.

[0:19:04] Voice 23: It was worthwhile watching.

[0:19:07] Voice 23: Another video I watched that was quite interesting is one that was held up

[0:19:11] Voice 23: up and Courtney a while ago on development permit areas.

[0:19:15] Voice 23: It was by two lawyers, I think it was equal justice

[0:19:19] Voice 23: talking about how you use

[0:19:21] Voice 23: and how you can use development permit area rules.

[0:19:25] Voice 23: And what are some of the pitfalls to follow?

[0:19:28] Voice 23: It's about a two hour video

[0:19:29] Voice 23: but it's well worth while watching.

[0:19:31] Voice 23: So I think I'll leave it at that for now, thanks.

[0:19:38] Voice 19: Okay, Trustee Colbert.

[0:19:40] Trustee Colbourne: Excellent, I believe we have a policy statement

[0:19:43] Trustee Colbourne: public engagement section in the agenda.

[0:19:45] Trustee Colbourne: So I'll leave that to that.

[0:19:47] Trustee Colbourne: I'm gonna be making myself available

[0:19:50] Trustee Colbourne: at the Wednesday farmer's market.

[0:19:52] Trustee Colbourne: That working title is food for thought.

[0:19:53] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not gonna rhyme that with Scott,

[0:19:55] Trustee Colbourne: no matter makes up some posters and be out there

[0:19:58] Trustee Colbourne: thinking about doing a paddling event as well

[0:20:00] Trustee Colbourne: and getting at some of the boating community

[0:20:01] Trustee Colbourne: and recreational users.

[0:20:03] Trustee Colbourne: Remember I'm doing some online events.

[0:20:06] Trustee Colbourne: In terms of meetings, I attended as per sort of protocol,

[0:20:10] Trustee Colbourne: a meeting with Tsunamik First Nation,

[0:20:12] Trustee Colbourne: just sort of joined in the first part

[0:20:14] Trustee Colbourne: and then Chair Rogers joined later.

[0:20:17] Trustee Colbourne: And so that's just sort of part of the meeting protocol

[0:20:21] Trustee Colbourne: and I'm looking forward to Chair Rogers report

[0:20:22] Trustee Colbourne: on the outcomes from that meeting or what happened later.

[0:20:27] Trustee Colbourne: The Gabriel Arts Council,

[0:20:29] Trustee Colbourne: I'm involved in an equity, diversity and inclusion project

[0:20:32] Trustee Colbourne: and review continues there.

[0:20:34] Trustee Colbourne: And I did some input on their first report

[0:20:36] Trustee Colbourne: And I'll be taking part in the Haven educational institution here is also doing an equity diversity and inclusion. And there's some interviews and involved with that.

[0:20:46] Trustee Colbourne: I'm part of the climate caucus it's a national group of elected officials looking at things that led are leading to and causing changes in weather and all sorts of other things.

[0:20:57] Trustee Colbourne: and I've been able to present a proposal to them for rural and remote communities

[0:21:05] Trustee Colbourne: and looking at budgeting for special forms of government such as the trust looking at

[0:21:11] Trustee Colbourne: improvement districts water and fire suppression trying to get out of some of those silos and

[0:21:17] Trustee Colbourne: that's been picked up by the race to zero folks former mayor of Toronto David Miller

[0:21:22] Trustee Colbourne: are leading that initiative thousands of communities around the world involved so

[0:21:27] Trustee Colbourne: we'll be looking at um doing some meetings in the fall for that and other than that i think i'll

[0:21:33] Trustee Colbourne: leave it there

[0:21:33] Voice 19: thanks very much

[0:21:41] Trustee Rogers: for uh all your work and i know that both of you work uh on a lot

[0:21:45] Trustee Rogers: of committees and and also work within your communities and and uh with other groups as well

[0:21:51] Trustee Rogers: as you do as you go forward um it's um uh it's always inspiring uh yeah maybe i'll as i as with

[0:22:00] Trustee Rogers: trustee colbert and i'll leave my some comments related to the special meeting we did have of

[0:22:05] Trustee Rogers: course the july 8th and i'm sure many of you are aware one day six hour i guess we sort of ended

[0:22:11] Trustee Rogers: pretty quickly pretty promptly at three o'clock just after three on um and uh on the uh the day

[0:22:20] Trustee Rogers: day of the meeting to discuss the trust policy statement and the then winding and where we're

[0:22:24] Trustee Rogers: going to go from here and and you're right it's on the agenda number uh i've i've added in the

[0:22:30] Trustee Rogers: these news releases and we can probably talk about what the next steps related to that

[0:22:34] Trustee Rogers: um when we go through the news releases and i can report on what the executive committee we've had

[0:22:40] Trustee Rogers: uh one um full executive committee we bumped it back a week it's it's sort of what it's what it's

[0:22:48] Trustee Rogers: with that particularly the work around the trust policy statement is done and of course being in

[0:22:52] Trustee Rogers: the middle of summer and that people needed some time is it's made it difficult to um

[0:22:59] Trustee Rogers: it's made it's challenging i should say to do

[0:23:03] Trustee Rogers: substantive amounts of work as we try and work around applications of people who've been working

[0:23:08] Trustee Rogers: extremely hard that need some time off um and so we did have the meeting in the 21st to sort

[0:23:14] Trustee Rogers: debrief about about next steps in relation to the trust policy statement and how we get ourselves

[0:23:21] Trustee Rogers: ready for the trust council which will come along very quickly even though it seems a couple months

[0:23:26] Trustee Rogers: away which it is it's in september uh we'll come along very very quickly and um it's uh and those

[0:23:33] Trustee Rogers: you know and and those involve a number of other things including the trying to find some

[0:23:39] Trustee Rogers: of third-party assistance to assist with some of the engagement plan but again maybe i'll save some

[0:23:45] Trustee Rogers: of those comments for uh when we get to the um the section at the end related to uh to uh the

[0:23:53] Trustee Rogers: trust policy statement itself uh i have had actually two opportunities to meet with the

[0:23:59] Trustee Rogers: tsunami first nation which has been um uh which has been a very um um uh i want to say worthwhile

[0:24:09] Trustee Rogers: while but that's not the right word um it's uh uh it's it's been a very heartening experience and

[0:24:15] Trustee Rogers: and a very uh informative experience for me to meet with uh representatives from the the first

[0:24:22] Trustee Rogers: nation because i've heard of course much about them and we discussed them but i hadn't had an

[0:24:26] Trustee Rogers: opportunity to meet him but i've had now had an opportunity twice with the assistance of

[0:24:30] Trustee Rogers: uh planner zupanich and planner um uh and sorry lisa wilcox to meet with them uh our discussions

[0:24:37] Trustee Rogers: are cordial and productive

[0:24:42] Trustee Rogers: related to development on Gabriel Island,

[0:24:46] Trustee Rogers: development issues.

[0:24:47] Trustee Rogers: And it's very clear to me, I can say this,

[0:24:50] Trustee Rogers: I think without revealing any of the confidences,

[0:24:53] Trustee Rogers: is that there's a very strong working relationship

[0:24:55] Trustee Rogers: between our local staff and the Gabriel local staff

[0:24:59] Trustee Rogers: and Lisa and the staff from the Squamish First Nation.

[0:25:04] Trustee Rogers: We were very well received and welcomed

[0:25:06] Trustee Rogers: than we had good discussions on two occasions that I've had and I think I'll leave it at that

[0:25:15] Trustee Rogers: other than it's as I said it's been it's been very heartening for me to to see that I saw the

[0:25:22] Trustee Rogers: notice come in this morning related to the the agreement with the province and the federal

[0:25:28] Trustee Rogers: government but I haven't had a chance to read it yet so that's sort of an interesting development

[0:25:33] Trustee Rogers: and we i i'd heard about it that there was that it was that it was um um that there was uh it was

[0:25:40] Trustee Rogers: pending or that there was a lot of indication that it was it was uh you know in it pending and so uh

[0:25:47] Trustee Rogers: but i had no details at all so it'll be interesting to see how that uh plays out in terms of the

[0:25:52] Trustee Rogers: innumerable issues related to uh the um uh the synemic and and how that plays out in relation

[0:26:00] Trustee Rogers: relation to Gabriel Island and what their interests are and how that how that how the

[0:26:04] Trustee Rogers: community's involved with each other. I too sat in on the Raincoast webinar yesterday. I'm thinking

[0:26:13] Trustee Rogers: there's probably were a number of people that sat in on it. I must say I was a little puzzled about

[0:26:19] Trustee Rogers: it but that's fine. It had some interesting information. I think the end of the day the

[0:26:26] Trustee Rogers: the message that I got from it was that there are a number of groups that think that the trust

[0:26:37] Trustee Rogers: should have wider authority around forests and trees. I always find listening to Trustee

[0:26:45] Trustee Rogers: Morrison to be very enlightening because she sometimes puts things in a context that

[0:26:50] Trustee Rogers: that um uh is different than i might have heard from other people or thought of myself so it was

[0:26:57] Trustee Rogers: always it was useful for me to hear for her and as she said in that meeting uh it's not really

[0:27:02] Trustee Rogers: about the individual trees it's about the forest and um i i thought that was a very good way to

[0:27:08] Trustee Rogers: look at it because it's about the ecosystem and how

[0:27:11] Trustee Rogers: it's at and of course there's lots of

[0:27:12] Trustee Rogers: focus on forest these days with a couple of um well publicized uh new books of around

[0:27:19] Trustee Rogers: around the trees and mother trees, et cetera,

[0:27:23] Trustee Rogers: and how they interconnect, et cetera.

[0:27:25] Trustee Rogers: And so it's interesting to hear,

[0:27:26] Trustee Rogers: but it is about the forest and the ecosystems, et cetera.

[0:27:30] Trustee Rogers: So that was good.

[0:27:32] Voice 1: And

[0:27:32] Trustee Rogers: it's also interesting to listen to MLA Olson

[0:27:35] Trustee Rogers: when he talks about his role and trying to,

[0:27:39] Trustee Rogers: and yet that he apparently has some form

[0:27:41] Trustee Rogers: of a private member's bill,

[0:27:42] Trustee Rogers: but I didn't quite get what it was that he's working on.

[0:27:46] Trustee Rogers: We have one more executive committee meeting next week.

[0:27:52] Trustee Rogers: The agenda will be out tomorrow.

[0:27:55] Trustee Rogers: It's not the last one of the term, obviously,

[0:27:57] Trustee Rogers: but we have one more before the end of August.

[0:28:01] Trustee Rogers: We've added an extra executive committee meeting in September

[0:28:04] Trustee Rogers: to try and get ourselves ready to move the engagement process,

[0:28:08] Trustee Rogers: the trust policy statement, plus all of the other work that's going on.

[0:28:13] Trustee Rogers: and it's a busy time and particularly busy as I said earlier and challenging because of course

[0:28:24] Trustee Rogers: this is the traditional time when people in municipal government take their vacation

[0:28:29] Trustee Rogers: and you may notice that most local trust committees don't operate most of August and

[0:28:35] Trustee Rogers: that's because that's when people try and get their vacation time in while all of our other

[0:28:39] Trustee Rogers: staff and our research staff etc etc uh and our senior managing staff are also booking their

[0:28:46] Trustee Rogers: vacation so it's challenging to sort of work this forward as we move forward but we're so we've added

[0:28:51] Trustee Rogers: an executive committee at the very beginning of september um specifically to deal with uh the

[0:28:57] Trustee Rogers: engagement process and uh um and we have one on on the fourth also we're trying to work on

[0:29:06] Trustee Rogers: on how do we move into a hybrid meeting model,

[0:29:09] Trustee Rogers: which I was talking about a little while ago,

[0:29:11] Trustee Rogers: because we have to figure out the technicalities of that.

[0:29:15] Trustee Rogers: And a lot of our staff is involved

[0:29:18] Trustee Rogers: in the governance view right now too.

[0:29:20] Trustee Rogers: So it's all, there's a lot going on in the trust.

[0:29:23] Trustee Rogers: I'm happy to answer any questions from the fellow trustees.

[0:29:28] Trustee Rogers: So that's my chair's report for the moment.

[0:29:32] Trustee Rogers: I have a report from Director Craig, who could not join us.

[0:29:39] Trustee Rogers: I'm hoping at some point it would get up on the website.

[0:29:42] Trustee Rogers: I think it came to everybody and not just myself.

[0:29:46] Trustee Rogers: And so I know that the staff occasionally eventually gets it up on the website, but I don't think it's there yet.

[0:29:53] Trustee Rogers: I'll just give you some of the highlights. She wasn't able to join us today.

[0:29:58] Trustee Rogers: day. It's too bad.

[0:30:00] Trustee Rogers: She points out that work on the parks and trails strategy is continuing with the goal of launching a public engagement for the second phase of the strategy this fall.

[0:30:09] Trustee Rogers: It was originally planned for 2020 but was adversely affected by COVID.

[0:30:15] Trustee Rogers: The Huxley Park project is still planned to begin this fall.

[0:30:19] Trustee Rogers: I've been working with Consultant Radius Contracting to finalize details and make adjustments given that the tender bid came in higher than the budget.

[0:30:28] Trustee Rogers: Project will not begin until we are outside the breeding bird window and the weather conditions

[0:30:32] Trustee Rogers: allows the use of equipment as per the fire chief. The Electoral Area Service Committee

[0:30:38] Trustee Rogers: meeting received a bylaw enforcement report between June and, sorry, January 1st and June

[0:30:44] Trustee Rogers: 15th. RDN received 34 complaints within area B, three of which were investigated but were either

[0:30:50] Trustee Rogers: determined to not be within RDN jurisdiction. 11 complaints were animal control, eight were

[0:30:54] Trustee Rogers: building regulation five noise four unsightly premises two nuisance control and one complaint

[0:30:59] Trustee Rogers: about activity in a park um backlog and work and staff recruiting a new bad bylaw officer

[0:31:06] Trustee Rogers: where have i heard that before um the rdn has uh receiving a significant number of building permit

[0:31:13] Trustee Rogers: applications a backlog of those they've examined their process to streamline have hired additional

[0:31:18] Trustee Rogers: building inspectors and are actively recruiting additional inspectors, province-wide shorter

[0:31:24] Trustee Rogers: of inspectors and it's highly competitive to be able to hire them. RDN is creating a

[0:31:31] Trustee Rogers: community wildlife resiliency plan for each of the electoral areas, a webinar plan for August 26th

[0:31:41] Trustee Rogers: at 7 p.m. provide more information about CWRPs and more information about the CWRPs and the

[0:31:49] Trustee Rogers: fuel management prescriptions project that is occurring for the 707 park and to sign up for

[0:31:56] Trustee Rogers: the webinar visit www.getinvolved.rdn.ca that's getinvolved.rdn.ca they're launching a public

[0:32:05] Trustee Rogers: engagement process the RDN is on the draft solid waste bylaws which requires mandatory separation

[0:32:10] Trustee Rogers: of garbage recycling compost for businesses

[0:32:13] Trustee Rogers: and multifamily dwellings

[0:32:15] Trustee Rogers: and a new mandatory waste hauler licensing program.

[0:32:18] Trustee Rogers: Feedback's accepted until October 1st.

[0:32:20] Trustee Rogers: Two webinars on the bylaws will be held,

[0:32:22] Trustee Rogers: one on August 19th and one on September 9th.

[0:32:26] Trustee Rogers: You can register again and find information

[0:32:29] Trustee Rogers: at getinvolved.rdn.ca.

[0:32:31] Trustee Rogers: And on the board agenda this week

[0:32:33] Trustee Rogers: was an emergency management plan

[0:32:34] Trustee Rogers: that the board had reviewed

[0:32:35] Trustee Rogers: and decided to continue discussing

[0:32:37] Trustee Rogers: at the next EA's SC meeting.

[0:32:39] Trustee Rogers: meeting, lays out information about how the RDM will respond in emergency and includes

[0:32:43] Trustee Rogers: information about potential partners, communication strategies, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:32:48] Trustee Rogers: The document is meant to help clarify to the public the current approach to emergencies.

[0:32:53] Trustee Rogers: The living document that will be regularly updated.

[0:32:55] Trustee Rogers: If you have any thoughts on the document to inform our discussion, I'd be happy to hear

[0:32:59] Trustee Rogers: them.

[0:33:00] Trustee Rogers: Upcoming, the board does not meet in August.

[0:33:03] Trustee Rogers: All meetings can be held online, it can be viewed live.

[0:33:06] Trustee Rogers: The IAC's board meetings are September 7th and September 28th, and the next Electoral

[0:33:12] Trustee Rogers: Area Service Committee meeting is on September 9th at 1 p.m.

[0:33:15] Trustee Rogers: So that's from Vanessa Craig.

[0:33:18] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for Vanessa.

[0:33:20] Trustee Rogers: She's always very informative and engaged with our local trust committee.

[0:33:26] Trustee Rogers: First Nations reports.

[0:33:29] Trustee Rogers: I did report already on the two meetings I've had with the Tsunami First Nation, and I don't

[0:33:35] Trustee Rogers: know do either of the other trustees wish to uh report on any first nations act trustee goldberg

[0:33:43] Trustee Colbourne: uh no no i um i just wanted to ask just a quick question going back to director craig's report

[0:33:49] Trustee Colbourne: whether or not it's a protocol meeting uh between the rdn and the trust um i know we had one sort of

[0:33:55] Trustee Colbourne: 2019 2018 and i'm just wondering if it's time for another sort of you know elected official

[0:34:01] Trustee Colbourne: and staff to staff protocol meeting as as per the as per the plan there

[0:34:06] Trustee Rogers: that's probably a good

[0:34:08] Trustee Rogers: question for either the rpm or and or the plant the island planner um i remember going to that

[0:34:16] Trustee Rogers: meeting because i ended up i think i ended up sharing it unknowingly to me and uh um and i i

[0:34:22] Trustee Rogers: agree with you it's probably good i i'm setting up one in my my regional district for my own trust

[0:34:27] Trustee Rogers: trust area. And I wondered if either the RPM, either Sonia or Heather have any indication as

[0:34:33] Trustee Rogers: to whether they'd like to, or that this was going to, it was

[0:34:37] Voice 19: time to do that again. Or we did just

[0:34:42] Voice 19: follow our direction.

[0:34:45] Voice 18: We tend to follow your direction. I'm actually going to be looking to

[0:34:49] Voice 18: Will because we have been setting up protocol meetings for the other LTCs. Will, has this been

[0:34:55] Voice 18: been on our radar to do a protocol meeting uh

[0:34:59] Voice 12: no i don't think so haven't haven't heard anything and

[0:35:04] Voice 12: and didn't have any kind of reminder for a timeline i can certainly look at um when the

[0:35:11] Trustee Rogers: last

[0:35:12] Voice 12: one was but yeah

[0:35:13] Trustee Rogers: i think trustee coldren is correct it was um shortly after covid started

[0:35:18] Trustee Rogers: because we were online for it uh for sure so i would have said it was the spring of 2020

[0:35:24] Trustee Rogers: 20 um would make sense to me it was like april may 2020 so if the trustees would like to have that

[0:35:31] Trustee Rogers: uh i think a short motion to that effect to ask staff to set that up uh would be appropriate and

[0:35:37] Trustee Rogers: they would go ahead and do that so trustee forward yeah

[0:35:40] Trustee Colbourne: i'll make that motion um that the local trust

[0:35:42] Trustee Colbourne: committee directs staff i asked staff to um inquire regarding a protocol meeting between the

[0:35:50] Trustee Colbourne: Gabriel local trust committee and the regional district of Nanaimo

[0:35:56] Trustee Colbourne: for this fall just just to recognize that it probably won't take place in august

[0:36:02] Voice 23: I'll second that okay any

[0:36:04] Trustee Rogers: further discussion I'll call the vote all in favor that's great

[0:36:09] Trustee Rogers: good idea and just for the people watching a lot of these are just our meetings where we

[0:36:13] Trustee Rogers: talk about issues that are common that where we don't get an opportunity because we only we don't

[0:36:17] Trustee Rogers: actually get a lot of opportunity to engage as rltc with their board but the last time i'm

[0:36:23] Trustee Rogers: pretty sure a fair number of their board members came the directors came i don't think all of them

[0:36:29] Trustee Rogers: were there but there were a number of them there so it was a good meeting um okay anything else

[0:36:36] Trustee Rogers: from uh those reports or are the first nations reports no trustee longer has nothing okay

[0:36:42] Voice 23: other than uh still continue to read on the uh residential school statements made by various

[0:36:50] Voice 23: members you know first nations peoples i'm continuing to learn about that disheartening

[0:36:55] Voice 23: as it is to to hear what had occurred right

[0:36:59] Trustee Rogers: um one of the things that just just for general

[0:37:04] Trustee Rogers: information that i'm doing and some of you may have already done this is i'm taking a

[0:37:07] Trustee Rogers: i'm doing a it's a i think it's a 10-week course in total with through the university of alberta

[0:37:13] Trustee Rogers: about indigenous history in canada from an indigenous point of view through their indigenous

[0:37:19] Trustee Rogers: school i may have that wrong i think it's the department of the university of alberta it's

[0:37:24] Trustee Rogers: online it's free uh it is a time commitment because each that each of the the courses takes

[0:37:30] Trustee Rogers: about um about two hours to do and there's i think there's 10 different uh weeks of it but

[0:37:36] Trustee Rogers: but it's all free and it's been very,

[0:37:39] Trustee Rogers: I'm only about four weeks in,

[0:37:41] Trustee Rogers: so I've only got through the treaty making process

[0:37:43] Trustee Rogers: and haven't gotten into more recent stuff,

[0:37:46] Trustee Rogers: but it's actually very informative and useful to hear.

[0:37:51] Trustee Rogers: If you look it up, if you look it up, it's easy to find.

[0:37:54] Trustee Rogers: It's through the University of Alberta.

[0:37:56] Trustee Rogers: It's on a program called Corsa, whatever that is.

[0:38:00] Trustee Rogers: So I highly recommend it to anybody

[0:38:02] Trustee Rogers: that wants to get a good foundation,

[0:38:04] Trustee Rogers: at least of the history and the and from an Indigenous point of view as to the history of

[0:38:10] Trustee Rogers: Canada for those of us that were brought up in a settler education system which is probably most

[0:38:17] Trustee Rogers: of us if not all of us it gives you a very different view of the history that you took in

[0:38:23] Trustee Rogers: in grade seven and onwards, and it's quite informative.

[0:38:34] Trustee Rogers: So next, we're gonna have a brief discussion

[0:38:36] Trustee Rogers: about the governance report,

[0:38:39] Trustee Rogers: and you had a couple of questions, Trustee Colburn,

[0:38:41] Trustee Rogers: regarding the governance review and interviews, et cetera.

[0:38:45] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I caught just a bit of the last executive committee.

[0:38:48] Trustee Colbourne: I wasn't able to attend the governance

[0:38:50] Trustee Colbourne: and management review select committee meeting,

[0:38:53] Trustee Colbourne: but I'm unclear in terms of it sounds like only senior management are included in the interview

[0:39:00] Trustee Colbourne: lists and and I was trying to figure out if there's a role for the LTC I think an island planner

[0:39:05] Trustee Colbourne: or some of the direct service planning staff should be part of those interviews there's no

[0:39:11] Trustee Colbourne: public consultation as part of this you know comprehensive review so I just want to make

[0:39:19] Trustee Colbourne: sure as many voices representing the island and it's uh who are very conversant in the ocp lub's

[0:39:24] Trustee Colbourne: that um and and how the the trust runs from a staff point of view so it would it be a motion

[0:39:30] Trustee Colbourne: from the ltc i'm unclear in terms of process my

[0:39:34] Voice 23: well my set what we had uh headquarter staff

[0:39:38] Voice 23: decide who among them would be uh interviewed uh i don't see there's anything wrong with contacting

[0:39:46] Voice 23: acting Russ Hottenspiller and suggest making a suggestion like that I mean I suppose we could

[0:39:51] Voice 23: do a motion to that effect asking if any local planning staff could be included in the interviews

[0:39:58] Voice 23: but at this point in time it was it left to headquarter staff to decide who would be interviewed

[0:40:05] Trustee Colbourne: yeah I think that's flawed I really do I I think it's really important in every professional

[0:40:11] Trustee Colbourne: context I've been in you know full 360 reviews include up and down the staff ladder and also

[0:40:18] Trustee Colbourne: include some form of public consultation so I will make a motion and I'll put forward

[0:40:24] Trustee Colbourne: I moved that the LTC request that island planners Sonia Zupanich if willing

[0:40:31] Trustee Colbourne: received an interview for the governance and management review process. Okay

[0:40:40] Trustee Rogers: so that's been

[0:40:41] Trustee Rogers: and second it. I just want to, I mean, I'm not on the committee, but I just want to say

[0:40:48] Trustee Rogers: two things. First of all, I think Sonia is a remarkable planner and has a lot of deep history

[0:40:56] Trustee Rogers: about how the organization works and et cetera, et cetera. And I would want to make sure she was

[0:41:04] Trustee Rogers: was willing uh the second thing the second thing is um i i think it's probably incorrect to call

[0:41:13] Trustee Rogers: this a 360 review um and that's maybe one of the the challenges in the review uh i think the the um

[0:41:24] Trustee Rogers: uh the consultants have sort of said that they've put a and i i expect it's not a hard and fast

[0:41:31] Trustee Rogers: number but they've sort of said they're going to interview about 50 people um and uh and of those

[0:41:40] Trustee Rogers: 50 26 will be trustees um and then there'll be a certain number of seniors of staff that are

[0:41:47] Trustee Rogers: interviewed um and i'm trying to remember i know that uh cao hodson pillar put out his list of

[0:41:54] Trustee Rogers: he sort of mentioned a number of people and i actually noticed one that was missing that i

[0:41:59] Trustee Rogers: I wrote him and said, I think you should interview RPM Cowher, for example.

[0:42:04] Trustee Rogers: And because she wasn't on that, I didn't hear him say her name.

[0:42:08] Trustee Rogers: And maybe it was just an oversight.

[0:42:10] Trustee Rogers: So there is a certain limitation on how many people get interviewed, because then there is also an indication.

[0:42:15] Trustee Rogers: But you're absolutely right.

[0:42:17] Trustee Rogers: It is not intended to be a public consultation process.

[0:42:22] Trustee Rogers: process. There will be a limited number of people that are non-trust people that are

[0:42:29] Trustee Rogers: interviewed. The process to choose those is a bit opaque. Not sure how that's going to get chosen,

[0:42:37] Trustee Rogers: but it'll be up to the consultants, I think, with names that are suggested. One of the things that

[0:42:41] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to be doing is suggesting names when I'm interviewed. But I mean, there's nothing wrong

[0:42:47] Trustee Rogers: with making a suggestion that you want a planner interview so I think that's yeah

[0:42:52] Voice 19: I don't want

[0:42:54] Trustee Rogers: people to think that this is a 360 I don't think it is no yeah

[0:42:58] Voice 23: once the review is done and reported

[0:43:01] Voice 23: then that would certainly be taken out to the community I mean this is this is sort of looking

[0:43:06] Voice 23: at internal governance structure we're going to get some feedback from staff from trustees and

[0:43:12] Voice 23: some outside people and that's going to be a report to trust council as to whatever recommendations

[0:43:17] Voice 23: they make and then that will be that's not the end of the process there's you know trust council's

[0:43:23] Voice 23: going to have to look at what they're offering as suggestions um so the other thing is the

[0:43:30] Voice 23: interviews for uh trustees are supposed to start on august the second and i said that we were asked

[0:43:35] Voice 23: to do it for the week next week sometime i haven't received a notice yet as to a time

[0:43:42] Voice 23: and at that point in time I was certainly putting forward names of some people that I think might be

[0:43:48] Voice 23: you know locally or not we weren't limited to just local people you know from each trustee so

[0:43:58] Trustee Rogers: anyway there's a motion on the table I don't know we could speak to the motion and if

[0:44:04] Trustee Rogers: do anybody want to speak any further to the motion and then and I guess Sonia do you have anything

[0:44:10] Trustee Rogers: Anything you'd like to say before we take a vote on this?

[0:44:14] Planner Zupanec: No, that's fine.

[0:44:15] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:44:16] Trustee Rogers: OK.

[0:44:18] Trustee Rogers: Then does anybody wish to speak to the motion, first of all?

[0:44:21] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[0:44:22] Voice 23: Just that this is all we're doing

[0:44:24] Voice 23: is suggesting to headquarter staff.

[0:44:26] Trustee Rogers: So it's a good recommendation.

[0:44:28] Trustee Colbourne: I think it's important that the Northern Islands and the Gabriel

[0:44:31] Trustee Colbourne: Local Trust area, specifically in this community and its OCPs

[0:44:35] Trustee Colbourne: and LUBs, have a spokesperson who's non-political and not

[0:44:38] Trustee Colbourne: in management as well.

[0:44:39] Trustee Colbourne: I think that's a that's a void in in the list that I've seen so far and I'm not comfortable with

[0:44:45] Trustee Colbourne: simply kind of informally going into the interview process and saying you should also talk to this

[0:44:50] Trustee Colbourne: person when it's a limited number of engagement possibilities so that's why I put out the motion

[0:44:56] Trustee Colbourne: and thank you to Sonia for accepting.

[0:44:58] Trustee Rogers: Okay so then the thing out on the vote on the motion and

[0:45:02] Trustee Rogers: how are we going to do this is it just going to be an email or just will you just ask we'll just

[0:45:07] Trustee Rogers: will i just write a motion write an email to um to russ and and the executive committee saying

[0:45:13] Trustee Rogers: this is a motion that was passed at our ltc is that okay with you guys yeah

[0:45:17] Trustee Colbourne: i would like to be

[0:45:18] Trustee Rogers: more formal than that no

[0:45:20] Trustee Colbourne: i think that's fine i think you'd have to include the chair of the

[0:45:22] Trustee Colbourne: select committee as well yes that's

[0:45:24] Trustee Rogers: fine i mean that's fine okay well then i'll call the vote

[0:45:28] Trustee Rogers: all in favor uh if somebody's willing to do it that's fine i think it's a good that's um

[0:45:33] Trustee Rogers: a useful voice okay anything else related to that just so you know i haven't received my invite

[0:45:38] Trustee Rogers: either so um uh and uh but i'm guessing they're they're trying to figure that out

[0:45:45] Voice 23: probably tomorrow

[0:45:47] Voice 23: i suspect um

[0:45:50] Trustee Rogers: okay anything else related to the governance um uh reported interviews from uh

[0:45:57] Trustee Rogers: trustee colburn or trustee langaris anything okay then we'll move on so we're now at the stage in

[0:46:02] Trustee Rogers: in the meeting where we're having our town hall.

[0:46:05] Trustee Rogers: So this is your opportunity for all of those people

[0:46:08] Trustee Rogers: that are, and I see there's two hands up already,

[0:46:11] Trustee Rogers: who wish to speak to the local trust committee

[0:46:13] Trustee Rogers: related to an item on our agenda or not on our agenda

[0:46:17] Trustee Rogers: or an item within our jurisdiction

[0:46:19] Trustee Rogers: or something that we can assist with for you to speak to us.

[0:46:23] Trustee Rogers: I wanna just, I wanna say a couple of things

[0:46:26] Trustee Rogers: before we get to this,

[0:46:27] Trustee Rogers: cause I see there's a number of hands.

[0:46:29] Trustee Rogers: So first of all,

[0:46:30] Trustee Rogers: Well, applicants don't need to speak at this point, you'll have an opportunity during your application, and there are two there actually, that we, you'll have an opportunity to speak during your actual application.

[0:46:45] Trustee Rogers: And what I want to remind folks is that we, we asked for the type of the, the, the respectful communication is what I'll call it.

[0:46:57] Trustee Rogers: and and what that involves in my view is please speak to issues and not people or personalities

[0:47:04] Trustee Rogers: so this is not an opportunity to discuss somebody's individual actions we ask you to be

[0:47:11] Trustee Rogers: respectful in your language what I used to say was speak in a way that your children and your

[0:47:16] Trustee Rogers: grandparents would be proud of you that you've been speaking good good litmus test in my view

[0:47:21] Trustee Rogers: You can say things and have them be proud of you

[0:47:25] Trustee Rogers: in terms of the way you're addressing them.

[0:47:27] Trustee Rogers: Please, so please be respectful in relation to those

[0:47:30] Trustee Rogers: and please address the local trust committee.

[0:47:33] Trustee Rogers: If you have a particular question

[0:47:35] Trustee Rogers: that only staff can answer,

[0:47:38] Trustee Rogers: we'll direct the question to staff eventually,

[0:47:41] Trustee Rogers: but please address it originally

[0:47:42] Trustee Rogers: to the local trust committee.

[0:47:43] Trustee Rogers: So speak to us, speak to issues, not people,

[0:47:46] Trustee Rogers: and please speak respectfully.

[0:47:48] Trustee Rogers: So I see a number of hands up today

[0:47:50] Trustee Rogers: and I'm going to go in order. You'll be unmuted and you'll have the opportunity to turn your

[0:47:56] Trustee Rogers: mic on, your camera on if you wish. You do not have to. We'll be, hopefully they'll be there

[0:48:01] Trustee Rogers: anyway. So the first person on the list is Susan Yates. Nice to see you, former trustee Yates,

[0:48:08] Trustee Rogers: as always. And you should be able to unmute yourself and turn your camera on if you wish.

[0:48:21] Voice 19: okay yes thank you

[0:48:22] Voice 19: i'm

[0:48:29] Voice 13: i'm sorry about the echo i'm at um former trustee deborah farron's house

[0:48:34] Voice 13: and we have a little echo problem here um and thank you trustee longrise and trustee colburn

[0:48:40] Voice 13: for your time i i would like to address something that i wrote a letter about a few days ago it is

[0:48:48] Voice 13: on the agenda it's for the temporary use permit at tinson point and i am requesting that you deny

[0:48:56] Voice 13: this application for several reasons this particular neighborhood the twin beaches neighborhood

[0:49:02] Voice 13: is one where small houses and cabins have long been in existence as homes for families

[0:49:09] Voice 13: who contribute much to the social fabric of gabriola this application if you look at the

[0:49:18] Voice 13: the advertising online is for a development that's described on the website as a modern luxury home

[0:49:25] Voice 13: with huge potential. The conversion of homes and cabins for families, seniors, singles, and young

[0:49:34] Voice 13: people to luxury vacation rentals is very alarming, especially if you care about living in a place you

[0:49:41] Voice 13: want to call home. The Islands Trust is partly at fault here for having such weak conservation

[0:49:47] Voice 13: measures as to allow temporary use permits for short-term vacation rentals in the first place.

[0:49:56] Voice 13: Local trust committees across the trust area need to focus on ways to find and promote affordable

[0:50:02] Voice 13: housing for the very people who support every single business and public agency on the islands.

[0:50:10] Voice 13: We already have terrible stories from Salt Spring to Hornby about no one being left to work in

[0:50:16] Voice 13: retail stores, restaurants, medical clinics, ambulance stations, and on volunteer fire crews

[0:50:23] Voice 13: because their homes have been sold and changed from modest family rental spaces to places turned

[0:50:30] Voice 13: into short-term vacation rentals. Yesterday at the market, I had yet another meeting with a long-time

[0:50:38] Voice 13: farmer looking for a home to live. We value our farmers who feed us, our artists, our musicians,

[0:50:46] Voice 13: and our creators who enrich our lives so beautifully. We need their energy, their skills

[0:50:52] Voice 13: and their aspirations and they need homes to live in. No one is desperate for a luxury vacation

[0:51:00] Voice 13: but many people here are in dire need of affordable stable housing. All of the above is to say please

[0:51:12] Voice 13: Please do not approve temporary use permit 2021.1 and please work on strengthening Gabriela's OCP and zoning bylaws so that applications like this do not take up the time that is needed for the real work of preserving and protecting.

[0:51:29] Voice 13: And since the policy statement is currently under revision, now is also the time to ensure that guidance and limitations regarding STVRs across the trust area are put firmly into place.

[0:51:44] Voice 13: This should be the first step towards the provision of affordable housing in the trust area.

[0:51:51] Voice 13: Thank you so much for your time.

[0:51:56] Trustee Rogers: thank you and um and i i should have said at the outset of course we have read the um

[0:52:02] Trustee Rogers: over 40 letters related to that application so we do have that information in front of us

[0:52:07] Trustee Rogers: uh and uh i'll ask people to if they can keep their comments to two to three minutes thank

[0:52:14] Trustee Rogers: you very much our next person is uh just synthetic uh

[0:52:19] Voice 19: we can promote justin okay can you hear me

[0:52:35] Voice 19: we can hear you can't see you but we can hear you but that's fine

[0:52:38] Voice 2: okay thanks um yeah i don't

[0:52:41] Voice 2: don't trust this okay maybe i can it's

[0:52:44] Voice 6: fine you don't have to whatever you're most comfortable

[0:52:47] Voice 6: okay

[0:52:48] Voice 2: um in regards to the gabriola island recycling organization application

[0:52:56] Voice 2: um first of all i want to point out that the trial the stuff the staff report is erroneous

[0:53:01] Voice 2: I was a volunteer on this organization for 12 years.

[0:53:05] Voice 2: They do have a well.

[0:53:06] Voice 2: I'm not sure if they are using it or not,

[0:53:09] Voice 2: but the staff report says they have no wells, and they do.

[0:53:13] Voice 2: So, okay, so that's just one little bit.

[0:53:17] Voice 2: But what I want to say is that to add an industrial use

[0:53:21] Voice 2: to a permitted use...

[0:53:23] Voice 7: So,

[0:53:23] Trustee Rogers: Jacinthe, I'm going to ask you to stop

[0:53:25] Trustee Rogers: only because Trustee Langeras...

[0:53:27] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, I should have mentioned this.

[0:53:29] Trustee Rogers: trustee langaris has recused himself on that matter um so uh i i think it's probably better

[0:53:36] Trustee Rogers: if we have these these comments if you're going to speak on that and i should have said that if

[0:53:40] Trustee Rogers: you're going to speak on those applications uh at the end of town hall and we'll come back to you if

[0:53:46] Trustee Rogers: that's okay and we'll just ask trustee langaris to step down for a moment while we hear the town hall

[0:53:51] Trustee Rogers: comments related to that and that would go for anybody else who wishes to speak related to the

[0:53:56] Trustee Rogers: the uh the land use bylaw amendments and particularly in relation to the recycling

[0:54:01] Trustee Rogers: sector is that okay jason that's quite fine thank you thanks we'll put you at the end of the meeting

[0:54:06] Trustee Rogers: we'll just ask at that moment of the town hall and we'll ask trustee longares to step aside for

[0:54:10] Trustee Rogers: just a moment while we do that so the next person on our list is then um uh i see your name twice

[0:54:17] Trustee Rogers: but it's carol goodes and i'm sorry if i'm mispronouncing that but i do see your name and

[0:54:24] Trustee Rogers: your hand up twice but

[0:54:26] Voice 19: i guess we can clarify that in a second if you unmute yourself carol

[0:54:42] Trustee Rogers: you should be able to unmute yourself now bottom left hand corner of your screen

[0:54:47] Trustee Rogers: there should be an

[0:54:48] Voice 19: unmute mute unmute button there you

[0:55:01] Trustee Rogers: go now you're unmuted okay

[0:55:03] Voice 11: that's great

[0:55:05] Voice 11: well thank you thank you very much uh trustees and for giving us uh the neighborhood a chance

[0:55:10] Voice 11: chance to weigh in. I'm speaking to the temporary use permit application on Tinson Road and I won't

[0:55:18] Voice 11: go, I mean I've been one of the letter writers and that's talked to a lot of the neighbors

[0:55:22] Voice 11: and I won't go into the content of the letters because as you've pointed out you've already read

[0:55:28] Voice 11: them but I do hope that the trustees take into account the neighborhood opposition to the

[0:55:37] Voice 11: application and um clearly like based on the correspondence um and the people that i've talked

[0:55:47] Voice 11: to uh the neighborhood is i mean just the majority is far far majority is in opposition to the

[0:55:57] Voice 11: application the few supporting letters uh the majority were people that don't live here

[0:56:07] Voice 11: and but the thing that I mainly would like to speak to you about is the fact that we have a

[0:56:14] Voice 11: number of illegal short-term vacation rentals that are already operating in the neighborhood

[0:56:20] Voice 11: and that are problematic or potentially problematic and I'm aware of another property

[0:56:26] Voice 11: on the waterfront that was changed hands about two years ago and the new owners are in the process of

[0:56:33] Voice 11: of putting in an illegal suite

[0:56:36] Voice 11: for what they have told some other neighbors

[0:56:39] Voice 11: for the purpose of yet another short-term vacation rental.

[0:56:42] Voice 11: I don't know if, I can imagine they'll be applying

[0:56:45] Voice 11: for a permit because the suite in itself is illegal.

[0:56:49] Voice 11: So my question is, and I'm glad to see

[0:56:51] Voice 11: that the item has been added to the agenda,

[0:56:54] Voice 11: is what will we do with the illegal operations

[0:56:58] Voice 11: that are already in play?

[0:57:00] Voice 11: And I understand, I've been told,

[0:57:03] Voice 11: and I don't know if this is true so the trustees may wish to ask the applicant is whether they are

[0:57:10] Voice 11: already operating and taking rentals I've been told that they have and that the rental rate is

[0:57:17] Voice 11: five thousand dollars a week I would like to know if that's the case and if it is the case and if it

[0:57:23] Voice 11: is the case that the trustees listen to the neighborhood opposition will the trustees be

[0:57:28] Voice 11: taking action or will the islands trust or will through bylaw enforcement be taking action should

[0:57:36] Voice 11: this operator continue to operate uh with a disregard to the neighborhood and the bylaws

[0:57:42] Voice 11: and also what will the enforcement be around the other illegal vacation rentals that are in

[0:57:48] Voice 11: the neighborhood and are popping up uh with another one that i've just referenced so those

[0:57:53] Voice 11: are my questions for consideration by the trustees and thank you very much thank

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers: you miss good to now

[0:57:59] Trustee Rogers: i could you answer questions you know why your name appears twice on our list

[0:58:03] Voice 11: uh probably because

[0:58:05] Voice 11: i inadvertently i'll

[0:58:07] Trustee Rogers: put myself on twice yeah okay so i don't need to call on you your hand is still

[0:58:12] Trustee Rogers: there enough thank you uh we'll put

[0:58:14] Trustee Rogers: you over maybe what i'll just just say is we'll um maybe address

[0:58:20] Trustee Rogers: address those questions that you just asked us when we have that item which is now 6.4 on our

[0:58:26] Trustee Rogers: agenda about bylaw enforcement and and how we go about bylaw enforcement on commercial vacation

[0:58:33] Trustee Rogers: thanks thank you very

[0:58:35] Trustee Rogers: much thank you thank you um the next person on my list is uh duncan mcfee

[0:58:42] Voice 19: just there you go can you hear

[0:59:05] Voice 19: me okay yep i

[0:59:09] Voice 3: um sent in a petition of 478 names

[0:59:12] Voice 3: uh oh

[0:59:14] Trustee Rogers: this is a

[0:59:14] Voice 3: relation to silva bay right exactly yeah right got it sorry yeah yeah and uh

[0:59:21] Voice 3: for the preserving the silva bay shipyard uh in the middle of the new redevelopment and um

[0:59:28] Voice 3: I think that, I know that the trust can't dictate or involve itself in the issue in ways that really would affect it, I don't think, because this petition basically is directed to the developers.

[0:59:53] Voice 3: And I wanted it on record with the...

[1:00:00] Voice 3: local trust committee because um i think it would have more weight and uh i would hope that uh the

[1:00:08] Voice 3: developers would be more likely to react to it to the petition uh with that kind of uh with that

[1:00:16] Voice 3: kind of um support with that kind of uh uh fact that it's on record with the lands trust the long

[1:00:25] Voice 3: the short of it is is that there's been a boat yard at Silva Bay since 1945, 76 years.

[1:00:33] Voice 3: It's offered professional competent services and it's been a basically a godsend and a huge

[1:00:40] Voice 3: convenience to local boaters. Also it has been a lifesaver to transient boaters who need emergency

[1:00:48] Voice 3: services and replacement equipment. It's a modest operation but it generates

[1:00:57] Voice 3: economic benefits that go well beyond just the shipyard. It makes Gabriola a

[1:01:03] Voice 3: destination, it brings in boaters when they know that they can shop, when

[1:01:09] Voice 3: they can, when there's a chandlery to replace equipment, when they can get

[1:01:14] Voice 3: professional services and so on. And it also provides employment to fellow islanders.

[1:01:24] Voice 3: What's under discussion right now is the demolition of the travel lift dock and its

[1:01:32] Voice 3: non-replacement. And non-replacement would mean that the shipyard could no longer function.

[1:01:41] Voice 3: it might not go out of business immediately but in the long run it would disappear it's just a

[1:01:48] Voice 3: matter of time it's critical for the recreational boating committee anyway that a shipyard have

[1:01:54] Voice 3: a travel lift dock to lift boats out of the water where they can be worked on on land my

[1:02:05] Voice 3: what i would try what i'm trying to do is present a case to the developers that in fact

[1:02:13] Voice 3: this boatyard could be shouldn't be looked at as a nuisance it should be looked at as a possible

[1:02:20] Voice 3: asset a big asset to the to the redevelopment itself it's been done before uh think of

[1:02:30] Voice 3: granville island there's a cement plant at the very in the very middle of granville island you

[1:02:35] Voice 3: can combine industry and tourism. Or Steveston, another example is Fisherman's Wharf at Steveston.

[1:02:45] Voice 3: There's all kinds of businesses that are servicing the commercial fishing industry,

[1:02:52] Voice 3: non-tourist businesses, actual industrial businesses that are serving an industry.

[1:03:00] Voice 3: And another local, fairly local example would be Pike's Place Market in Seattle.

[1:03:08] Voice 3: It avoided demolition 50 years ago by a citizen's initiative.

[1:03:15] Voice 3: All three of these developments have been wildly successful.

[1:03:21] Voice 3: I don't think there's any argument to that.

[1:03:23] Voice 3: And on a smaller scale, I would try and argue that it could be an asset to the

[1:03:33] Voice 3: the Silva Bay Resort redevelopment to have a small working harbor that would also, that

[1:03:41] Voice 3: would incorporate tourist type shops, but also an actual working boat yard.

[1:03:48] Voice 3: It has this kind of, this kind of installation has authenticity, it interests people, people

[1:03:57] Voice 3: respond to this kind of authenticity.

[1:04:02] Voice 3: also having the boat yard there would attract would be another attraction to bring in boaters

[1:04:10] Voice 3: who are generally many of the ones who show up at silver bay anyway are well they're a well-heeled

[1:04:16] Voice 3: crowd they would stay at the resort they would dock at the marina they would shop at the

[1:04:25] Voice 3: proposed grocery store so

[1:04:27] Trustee Rogers: mr mcphee i don't want to cut you off but i'm i'm wondering if i could

[1:04:31] Trustee Rogers: to ask you to wrap it up and also maybe make take a moment your your petition is on our agenda

[1:04:36] Trustee Rogers: in the correspondence so it's been made public is there something specific that you would like

[1:04:42] Trustee Rogers: the to ask the trust for the local trust committee to do it would be my question for you

[1:04:47] Voice 3: to um make

[1:04:49] Voice 3: sure that it gets to the developers i assume that you're in contact with them fairly close

[1:04:53] Voice 3: contact with them and coming from you I think it would be more effective than uh coming from

[1:05:01] Voice 3: from me I'm an individual I'm

[1:05:03] Trustee Rogers: too easily ignored that's debatable

[1:05:05] Trustee Rogers: I think members of the public have a lot of a lot of sway with the uh anyway but okay thank you for

[1:05:14] Trustee Rogers: that that sort of clarifies for me you're asking us to sort of forward on the fact I was getting

[1:05:20] Voice 3: I was getting to it, but to make that request, yes.

[1:05:27] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:05:27] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that, and I appreciate a recognized number of names

[1:05:31] Trustee Rogers: on your petition as I went through it.

[1:05:33] Trustee Rogers: So people I know that are voters on Gabriola.

[1:05:37] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for – is there anything – I didn't mean to cut you off.

[1:05:40] Trustee Rogers: No, it's fine.

[1:05:41] Voice 3: I realize

[1:05:42] Trustee Rogers: that – no,

[1:05:43] Voice 3: it's just trying to get the developer

[1:05:46] Voice 3: to reimagine a bit that part of the development,

[1:05:50] Voice 3: and it would be a small

[1:05:52] Trustee Rogers: part of the development.

[1:05:54] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:05:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. Appreciate it.

[1:05:56] Trustee Rogers: Nice to meet you.

[1:05:57] Voice 19: Nice to meet you.

[1:06:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay, the next

[1:06:02] Voice 19: person on my list is Kay Louise Vincent.

[1:06:21] Voice 19: You need to unmute.

[1:06:24] Voice 19: There you go.

[1:06:25] Voice 6: There you go.

[1:06:26] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:06:27] Voice 17: Thank you trustees for all your work.

[1:06:29] Voice 17: I know it's often a thankless

[1:06:31] Voice 17: and also an endless responsibility.

[1:06:35] Voice 17: I'll be brief.

[1:06:36] Voice 17: I've lived on the DeCourcy Peninsula for 15 years.

[1:06:42] Voice 17: In respect to Chair Rogers' comment

[1:06:44] Voice 17: expecting more residents to attend this town hall,

[1:06:48] Voice 17: and out of respect for your time,

[1:06:50] Voice 17: I and a few other speakers have been asked

[1:06:53] Voice 17: to speak on behalf of more than 30 residents

[1:06:57] Voice 17: of this neighborhood.

[1:06:58] Voice 17: We ask that you don't approve this application

[1:07:02] Voice 17: submitted for 376 Tinson Road.

[1:07:05] Voice 17: my neighbors have been in uh respectful dialogue and identified many critical concerns as clearly

[1:07:12] Voice 17: identified in letters recently submitted we are to date representing closer more than 70 percent

[1:07:20] Voice 17: of this neighborhood as opposed to this application i've heard no acrimony toward the

[1:07:27] Voice 17: new owners of this property we welcome them to the neighborhood our concerns are principled

[1:07:33] Voice 17: and focus on the dire implications of overall impact on housing safety ecology as well as

[1:07:42] Voice 17: historical and current responsibilities to land relationship the temporary use

[1:07:51] Voice 17: of short-term vocational rentals are not we believe the way to steward this island into the

[1:07:59] Voice 17: the future we don't understand how this application can benefit the integrity of this community

[1:08:08] Voice 17: so we're asking if ian cox the planner who recommended this application could kindly speak

[1:08:15] Voice 17: to this given the evidence of how this application will adversely affect the integrity of this

[1:08:23] Voice 17: neighborhood and the wider island community by degrading safety, housing, and essential

[1:08:30] Voice 17: environmental stewardship principles and practices. And just briefly, this is not a dream come true

[1:08:38] Voice 17: for this neighborhood. The devastating impact of converting luxury vocational rentals is evidential

[1:08:46] Voice 17: as proven in the housing crisis itself um why do we allow off-island investors to maximize

[1:08:54] Voice 17: their profits at such costs to this island um this is not a way of preserving a future for

[1:09:03] Voice 17: families to live on this island nor is it a way to steward traditional and shared land into a

[1:09:12] Voice 17: viable future so again as a group um we ask you to refuse this off this application and thank you

[1:09:23] Voice 17: for these moments um for for having uh my chance with many behind me to comment on this application

[1:09:33] Voice 17: thank you thank

[1:09:34] Trustee Rogers: you very much and and just to be clear i don't want to sometimes people

[1:09:38] Trustee Rogers: misunderstand my words i didn't i wasn't being at all critical about people not showing up this

[1:09:42] Trustee Rogers: speak i just i just had sort of anticipated that they would there would be more that's all

[1:09:47] Trustee Rogers: um and sometimes i'm wrong and it turns out i was i see carol uh goods again but i'm guessing

[1:09:55] Trustee Rogers: um that that's the same at carol again that we just have and although i

[1:10:02] Trustee Rogers: yes but it's gone now so that's kind of fine so maybe what we could do is um

[1:10:09] Trustee Rogers: Um, uh, the trustee long grass, if you want to take a brief break and we'll bring just

[1:10:14] Trustee Rogers: since back to speak to the, uh, to the issue related to the land use bylaw amendments.

[1:10:21] Trustee Rogers: Um, and, uh, we'll now, now I see, oh, and now I see Debra, sorry.

[1:10:27] Trustee Rogers: I now see Debra Ferren's hand up and Carol Gu's hands up again.

[1:10:33] Trustee Rogers: Um, not sure what to do with this.

[1:10:35] Trustee Rogers: uh now i see carol goo's hands up twice but i'm going to go to deborah farrens and maybe

[1:10:41] Trustee Rogers: we'll address her first before i come back to jacinth because i i know we got an email from

[1:10:47] Trustee Rogers: deborah last night and she may have something she wishes to add that's not in relation to the

[1:10:53] Trustee Rogers: language bylaw amendment deborah

[1:10:55] Voice 19: deborah please i'm not sure why but

[1:11:10] Voice 12: it is the system

[1:11:12] Voice 12: doesn't seem to want to promote deborah so perhaps i'll try just allowing her to talk

[1:11:18] Voice 12: shall we give that okay

[1:11:19] Trustee Rogers: okay

[1:11:21] Voice 12: whichever

[1:11:22] Trustee Rogers: if you unmute deborah you should be free but for

[1:11:27] Trustee Rogers: whatever reason we can't seem to get you to put your let's put your camera on

[1:11:31] Voice 1: um can you hear me

[1:11:33] Voice 1: we

[1:11:34] Trustee Rogers: can oh

[1:11:35] Voice 1: great okay thank you uh thank you trustees um it's deborah ferencz from uh 387

[1:11:41] Voice 1: and Lynn Gale grateful to be on the traditional territory of this first nations on this beautiful

[1:11:48] Voice 1: summer day and yes this is in relation to the letter that I did send out to the trustees and

[1:11:54] Voice 1: planners from last night so I really I was just going to make some points from it if that is

[1:12:00] Voice 1: okay with all of you

[1:12:02] Trustee Rogers: sure although I'm sure we've read it but go ahead okay

[1:12:06] Voice 1: so just some points

[1:12:07] Voice 1: It's concerning the staff report on the Gabriel housing options and impacts review project, and I do have some concerns and I do have some cheerleading, and my concerns are three and they.

[1:12:19] Voice 1: The first one is the draft business case which I'm concerned that a significant business case for a multi year land use planning to be taken or suggested to be taken to the September 2021 Islands Trust financial planning is rushed lacks the time for

[1:12:36] Voice 1: community review and understanding and more significantly pushes down the road

[1:12:41] Voice 1: the concrete and important short-term initiatives in table one. My second concern is duplication of

[1:12:49] Voice 1: services. I do appreciate the intent to wrap biodiversity and freshwater protection into a

[1:12:55] Voice 1: housing options review but I do believe fundamentally it is the trustees duty of care

[1:13:01] Voice 1: to look at the impacts of all development, whether it is housing, affordable housing,

[1:13:07] Voice 1: transportation, waste management, ferry terminals, cannabis production, any of those things that

[1:13:13] Voice 1: should have a priority on preserving the integrity of the environment and protection of valuable

[1:13:17] Voice 1: resources. And my third concern is the eventual replacement of the Housing Advisory Planning

[1:13:24] Voice 1: Commission with a joint task force. And I believe there's a significant benefit for a local trust

[1:13:30] Voice 1: project with a laser eye on Gabriel as OCP and LUB supported by an APC and opportunities to

[1:13:38] Voice 1: for direct community input and is there a bylaw that creates a task force with the range of powers

[1:13:45] Voice 1: proposed in the report and what would the terms of reference be for such a task force that can

[1:13:51] Voice 1: both advise a consultant and collaborate with intergovernmental initiatives if that would be

[1:13:57] Voice 1: the purpose um and on my cheerleading front um i do support the short-term um huap recommended

[1:14:06] Voice 1: actions uh specifically promoting the voluntary dedication of densities let's do it it's a short

[1:14:13] Voice 1: term uh success story is critical and can set the bar for future midterm and long-term actions

[1:14:21] Voice 1: and the next two short-term action items the water conservation public education and strengthening

[1:14:29] Voice 1: multi-dwelling affordable housing criteria have no staff comments in the staff report to garner

[1:14:36] Voice 1: further understanding of why they're included in the short term in the short-term table

[1:14:41] Voice 1: I understand they are part of the HUAP recommendations but I do believe some

[1:14:47] Voice 1: trustee attention and staff reports would be would be helpful and I I think I'll just end

[1:14:56] Voice 1: by saying and asking a question why isn't assessing and restricting short-term vacation

[1:15:02] Voice 1: rentals in in the short-term actions in table one according to the staff report and figure one on

[1:15:09] Voice 1: page 98 it is a low resource project so it wouldn't take too many resources with possible

[1:15:16] Voice 1: possible positive impacts and stvrs are intensely topical right now and so I will end by respectfully

[1:15:24] Voice 1: asking the trustees to consider including uh short-term vacation rentals in the short-term

[1:15:31] Voice 1: action list and that you decide to move forward with those short-term actions in table one so

[1:15:38] Voice 1: thank you very much and for all the work you're doing thank

[1:15:43] Voice 19: you Debra you're muted chair Rogers

[1:15:57] Trustee Rogers: I was saying that I see Carol Gutz with her hand up twice still but I see Mr. Phelps and Mr. Phelps

[1:16:05] Trustee Rogers: we do have your correspondence but you're welcome to speak briefly if you wish so we could promote

[1:16:09] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Phelps and Debra if

[1:16:12] Voice 19: you could put your hand down that would help me thank you I don't know

[1:16:41] Voice 19: what's happened to Mr. Phelps I

[1:16:46] Voice 12: don't know either I promoted him oh

[1:16:48] Trustee Rogers: there he is there he is he just

[1:16:50] Voice 12: just

[1:16:50] Trustee Rogers: showed up yes if you unmute yourself there mr phelps uh you i see you yes if you unmute

[1:16:57] Trustee Rogers: yourself and if you want to turn your camera on feel free i can hear you yes okay now we can't

[1:17:12] Trustee Rogers: hear you so whatever microphone you're using we can't hear you at all no you're very muffled you

[1:17:19] Trustee Rogers: sound like you're in the bottom of a fishbowl that's fine if you want to try and phone in

[1:17:40] Trustee Rogers: you can do that but uh i whatever microphone you're using is not working very well we can't

[1:17:45] Trustee Rogers: really make it out we can hear the odd word but it's not very good um

[1:17:56] Voice 19: okay

[1:17:58] Trustee Rogers: i still have carol

[1:18:00] Trustee Rogers: goods carol i assume you're you haven't put your hand up again have you and you're just having

[1:18:05] Trustee Rogers: trouble putting it down can you unmute carol and see if there's some if the reason her hand is

[1:18:10] Trustee Rogers: still there hello

[1:18:14] Voice 27: i'm not carol goose i happen to be using the same ip address i

[1:18:18] Trustee Rogers: see okay um

[1:18:23] Trustee Rogers: then that's confusing.

[1:18:24] Trustee Rogers: But if you go, maybe we can promote you then.

[1:18:27] Trustee Rogers: And if you wish to turn your camera on

[1:18:29] Trustee Rogers: or you just want to speak to us this way.

[1:18:33] Voice 27: I have my camera turned on.

[1:18:35] Voice 27: I can see.

[1:18:36] Trustee Rogers: We haven't promoted you yet.

[1:18:37] Trustee Rogers: We'll promote you to the point where we can see you.

[1:18:40] Trustee Rogers: Hold on a minute.

[1:18:42] Voice 19: Okay, so they're working it out.

[1:18:43] Voice 19: That's good.

[1:18:55] Voice 19: So I

[1:18:56] Trustee Rogers: apologize, people, for the wait.

[1:18:57] Trustee Rogers: The system seems to be very slow today for whatever reason.

[1:19:00] Trustee Rogers: There you are.

[1:19:01] Trustee Rogers: Now you should be able to turn your camera on.

[1:19:04] Trustee Rogers: uh yeah

[1:19:06] Voice 21: your

[1:19:07] Trustee Rogers: camera's not on your your microphone is on i had

[1:19:16] Voice 27: i had my camera on before when i

[1:19:17] Voice 27: started but and

[1:19:19] Trustee Rogers: and sir sir i think there's another computer operating that you should

[1:19:23] Trustee Rogers: if you mute that right now we're getting an echo yeah that would be there

[1:19:32] Voice 27: okay i see myself on my

[1:19:35] Voice 27: own camera but i don't understand

[1:19:37] Voice 6: why we cannot see you we can hear you there

[1:19:45] Voice 27: you go okay all

[1:19:48] Voice 27: All right, thank you.

[1:19:48] Voice 27: I hope I don't start getting a lot of Google ads

[1:19:52] Voice 27: meant for Carol Goose.

[1:19:54] Voice 27: My name is Merrick Domski.

[1:19:56] Voice 27: I've written letters in opposition to the TUP

[1:19:59] Voice 27: at 376 Tinson Road.

[1:20:03] Voice 27: And I would just like to make sure that two issues

[1:20:07] Voice 27: that I think are very important are addressed.

[1:20:09] Voice 27: One is, well, the acquisition of potable water

[1:20:16] Voice 27: and the other is the disposition of wastewater.

[1:20:20] Voice 27: I have to say I'm quite disappointed in what I could perceive as the lack of due diligence in the staff report regarding this application.

[1:20:32] Voice 27: It's described as being a robust water collection system.

[1:20:35] Voice 27: The applicants are lauded for their addressing of their rainwater harvesting system, and I just don't see how that stands up to scrutiny.

[1:20:47] Voice 27: For instance, there is nothing special that makes this water collection system robust.

[1:20:54] Voice 27: The system uses a rubber membrane. Most people who collect water in Gabriola use a metal roof.

[1:21:01] Voice 27: Just on the simple principle of rock, paper, scissors, I would suggest that metal is more robust than rubber.

[1:21:09] Voice 27: The filtration system is standard. There's nothing special about it.

[1:21:14] Voice 27: But there is rather an interesting verification of the water level in the cistern, the digital aspect of it.

[1:21:23] Voice 27: It's a surface. It sounds kind of neat. And at first I wanted to investigate it.

[1:21:27] Voice 27: But then it struck me that a dipstick works just as well. And a dipstick, well, it's not subject to calibration errors and it's not subject to power failure.

[1:21:39] Voice 27: So I think I'll stick with my dipstick. Now, I live on the peninsula.

[1:21:45] Voice 27: on decoursing. We rely simply solely on rainwater harvesting. And I would like to point out that the

[1:21:55] Voice 27: cistern size is not very large. In fact, it is misrepresented as being 15,000 gallons simply by

[1:22:03] Voice 27: the use of a U.S. gallon conversion factor. It is in fact only 12, well less than 12 and a half

[1:22:09] Voice 27: 1,000 gallons. Our own cistern is 22,000 gallons. It was full in February. By May 11th, it was at

[1:22:19] Voice 27: 57% capacity. Since then, there have been exactly seven days of rain on the peninsula. And our level

[1:22:26] Voice 27: has fluctuated between a low of 52% to a high of 59%. It has never filled up. It has only recovered

[1:22:33] Voice 27: the use that has taken place since May 11th. Now, since June 15th, the level has been dropping and

[1:22:39] Voice 27: dropping because there has been no more rain. So I fail to see how a 12,500-gallon sister

[1:22:47] Voice 27: is going to supply four people at 50 gallons each per day. We've had two people with the

[1:22:56] Voice 27: occasional third-person visitor and toilets that are actually 20% more efficient than the

[1:23:04] Voice 27: so-called state-of-the-art toilets quoted in the application, which, by the way, are the

[1:23:10] Voice 27: least efficient toilets that you can legally buy, and we worry about our water supply. You simply

[1:23:18] Voice 27: will not be able to supply rental capacity water use with the system that is in place at 376

[1:23:26] Voice 27: Tinson. So that leaves us a question of how is it going to be augmented? Well, there's a well on

[1:23:32] Voice 27: site. It's either not there, according to one page, you know, of the wastewater report, or it

[1:23:41] Voice 27: is there within 25 meters it is used for irrigation only or it is non-operational there are also two

[1:23:49] Voice 27: distinct plans of the property that cannot agree on the position of the well with regards to the

[1:23:55] Voice 27: position of the house with regards to the position of the septic field or in fact with regards to the

[1:24:01] Voice 27: position of the the ocean or even possibly the north pole now i

[1:24:06] Voice 6: failed can i get you to go to

[1:24:07] Voice 6: to your second point about wastewater because we are short on time?

[1:24:10] Voice 27: Certainly. Even if this well

[1:24:12] Voice 27: is not used, its mere existence in proximity to the septic field allows it to be a vector for

[1:24:19] Voice 27: contamination of the groundwater. This is not a problem for the site alone because contamination

[1:24:26] Voice 27: does not stop at the property line. If someone happens to be accessing the same water table

[1:24:32] Voice 27: as this property with a contaminated well they're in trouble and there's no telling where

[1:24:39] Voice 27: that contaminated water ends up it could be next door it could be further away so i'm sorry i i

[1:24:48] Voice 27: don't understand why this was recommended at all i would respectfully ask island trust planning to

[1:24:55] Voice 27: withdraw their recommendation or barring that i i would welcome some explanation of why all of

[1:25:02] Voice 27: of these issues were not considered.

[1:25:06] Voice 27: And I would ask the local trustees

[1:25:08] Voice 27: to please reject this application outright.

[1:25:12] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:25:13] Voice 6: And thank you for your,

[1:25:14] Voice 6: I did

[1:25:14] Trustee Rogers: read your letter last night

[1:25:18] Trustee Rogers: and raising many of those issues.

[1:25:20] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much for your comment.

[1:25:22] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:25:26] Trustee Rogers: So I see, I don't know whether Deborah Farran

[1:25:30] Trustee Rogers: still has her hand up and I see Carol Goots

[1:25:33] Trustee Rogers: still has her hand up um could you just unmute carol's second name and see whether or not

[1:25:40] Trustee Rogers: she really does wish to speak again or she just can't get her hand down hi carol hi

[1:25:51] Voice 10: no um no

[1:25:52] Voice 10: thank you very much i i don't need to speak again we were just trying to merrick was trying to get

[1:25:57] Voice 10: in so that thank

[1:25:57] Trustee Rogers: you okay

[1:25:58] Voice 10: thank

[1:25:59] Trustee Rogers: you okay so then that that would seem to me that we do not have any

[1:26:05] Trustee Rogers: more speakers uh other than just since wishes to speak so why don't you take a brief break

[1:26:10] Trustee Rogers: uh uh trustee langros and uh and we'll maybe come back in in three minutes and we'll uh

[1:26:18] Trustee Rogers: we'll hopefully just since we'll be finished by then just since if you're still there if you

[1:26:21] Trustee Rogers: if you could promote the synth and we'll get her to finish her commentary

[1:26:26] Trustee Rogers: appreciate your patience hello

[1:26:29] Voice 2: hi in

[1:26:30] Voice 2: regards to the uh gabriel island recycling organization

[1:26:34] Voice 2: application to add an industrial use to the permitted uses in their institutional zone.

[1:26:40] Voice 2: I concur with the original assessment of the island planner. This matter should require

[1:26:49] Voice 2: a bylaw amendment process, including the community information meeting and a public hearing.

[1:26:56] Voice 2: The expression that everybody knows, if it looks like a dock, if it quacks like a dock,

[1:27:03] Voice 2: it must be a duck comes to mind when attempts are made in the language of the amendment to disguise

[1:27:12] Voice 2: the nature of the use applied for so that a public hearing may be waived second point an ltc can

[1:27:26] Voice 2: initiate a bylaw amendment whenever it wishes to piggyback on the gabriela island recycling

[1:27:34] Voice 2: recycling application with LTC initiative changes to all institutional one zone is procedurally

[1:27:44] Voice 2: incorrect in my view.

[1:27:47] Voice 2: To consider waiving the requirement of a public hearing for both the Gabriela Island Recycling

[1:27:53] Voice 2: Organization and the LTC initiated land use by law 177 amendments is procedurally incorrect

[1:28:03] Voice 2: in my view.

[1:28:04] Voice 2: to exclude the participation of a locally elected trustee from matters unrelated to

[1:28:12] Voice 2: the matters for which he voluntarily recused himself from by piggybacking and putting both

[1:28:19] Voice 2: issues in proposed by law 310 is robbing that trustee from his legal rights and is procedurally

[1:28:27] Voice 2: incorrect in my view for your consideration.

[1:28:37] Voice 19: Are you finished?

[1:28:41] Trustee Rogers: Yes. Oh okay sorry I just wasn't

[1:28:44] Trustee Rogers: clear you to finish. Can I just ask you a question Jacinthe? I'm not quite

[1:28:48] Trustee Rogers: sure I'm sure not I'm not

[1:28:49] Trustee Rogers: I'm not quite sure what the duck is that you're referring to. I understand the expression but

[1:28:54] Trustee Rogers: what is it it's supposed to look like and quack like that we are not but that we

[1:28:59] Trustee Rogers: are disguising

[1:29:00] Trustee Rogers: because i don't the way this

[1:29:02] Trustee Rogers: came up is we the issue was raised we put it on our uh our work

[1:29:07] Trustee Rogers: project agenda we asked staff to do a staff report related to amending the doc so it's actually our

[1:29:13] Trustee Rogers: project so what's the what's the duck that we're apparently disguising the

[1:29:20] Voice 2: duck that you're

[1:29:20] Voice 2: disguising is an industrial zoo industrial use proposed disguising to an institutional zone

[1:29:28] Voice 2: and institutional use and that is what the local planner Sonia Zubanex expressed and the very first

[1:29:37] Voice 2: day that this application from the gyro organization was presented at the local press

[1:29:43] Voice 2: committee meeting I believe in June so that I believed I agreed with her and it this it does

[1:29:50] Voice 2: require a final process and uh you know yes it's timely yes it's costly but I'm afraid that you

[1:29:58] Voice 2: you are procedurally.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: incorrect in proceeding the way you are and perhaps staff has to ask for a legal opinion about

[1:30:06] Voice 2: the issues that i've raised thank you okay

[1:30:11] Trustee Rogers: thank you um okay well i see no other hands

[1:30:17] Trustee Rogers: uh so hopefully mr trustee uh so we'll close the town hall i thank you for all of your commentary

[1:30:24] Trustee Rogers: chair and uh we'll wait two minutes for trustee langer has to come back and then we'll move into

[1:30:32] Trustee Rogers: the uh items five and six on the agenda um sorry

[1:30:38] Trustee Colbourne: chair i believe we might have skipped 3.5 which

[1:30:41] Trustee Colbourne: we added to the agenda with with manager dingman and um no

[1:30:44] Trustee Rogers: that's actually 6.4

[1:30:46] Trustee Colbourne: 6.4 sorry i had

[1:30:48] Trustee Colbourne: the wrong number now thank you

[1:30:49] Voice 19: yeah we are okay um so we're at uh

[1:30:57] Trustee Rogers: now that's 6.4 3.5 was the

[1:31:01] Trustee Rogers: governance review um 5.1 is the local trust committee minutes from so we're back on the

[1:31:07] Trustee Rogers: agenda for those following along which is our pink four of the of the uh of the package are

[1:31:14] Trustee Rogers: there any changes amendments or comments related to the minutes from either trustee

[1:31:19] Voice 19: yeah trustee

[1:31:20] Voice 19: longer yeah yeah

[1:31:25] Voice 23: okay uh go ahead now on page uh nine there there is it was mentioned and i

[1:31:33] Voice 23: noted as well at the bottom where it says there is no intention to use the well the water quality

[1:31:39] Voice 23: is poor they have decommissioned the well that i believe is inaccurate because i i as i recall i

[1:31:45] Voice 23: think it was said it was decommissioned but then it was verified that it wasn't decommissioned

[1:31:50] Voice 23: that it was only by agreement i guess between the rowp and the owner that they wouldn't use it so

[1:31:57] Voice 23: i think that should be altered to say that they have not decommissioned the well well maybe we

[1:32:03] Trustee Rogers: could just take out that all together um my recollection is the same as yours is that it

[1:32:11] Trustee Rogers: had not been decommissioned uh but i i don't know if trustee colburn remembers it differently or

[1:32:18] Trustee Rogers: no that matches my um it's a

[1:32:21] Trustee Rogers: good catch point yeah okay

[1:32:22] Voice 23: so then we can add the

[1:32:23] Trustee Rogers: word not yes

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: yeah i don't

[1:32:26] Trustee Rogers: know what the technical term decommissioned means but um but that doesn't

[1:32:31] Trustee Rogers: matter they it was clear it had not been it was not in use but was not been decommissioned yeah

[1:32:37] Voice 24: okay

[1:32:40] Trustee Rogers: so will that work anything else anything from trustee colburn no okay so with that amendment

[1:32:46] Trustee Rogers: will adopt the minutes from June the 17th, we have a public hearing record, which is here just for our receipt on, which is on page 16 and 17 from our public hearing on June the 17th unless there's anything from the trustees I'll just those are just here for our information.

[1:33:07] Trustee Rogers: And then we're at the, there is a resolution without meeting two of them actually.

[1:33:11] Trustee Rogers: actually, one from June 25th, and again, and one from June, oh, the one from June 2nd would

[1:33:20] Trustee Rogers: have been before the last meeting, but anyway, the one from June the 25th is related to the

[1:33:27] Trustee Rogers: Pages Resort, Marina, we've adopted those bylaws, so that's there for the information,

[1:33:33] Trustee Rogers: and now we're at the follow-up action report, so I guess my question is, first of all, to

[1:33:41] Trustee Rogers: to whichever planner wishes to,

[1:33:43] Trustee Rogers: or I'll turn to the trustees.

[1:33:45] Trustee Rogers: Are there any questions on any of the follow-up

[1:33:47] Trustee Rogers: action report matter?

[1:33:49] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Langeis.

[1:33:50] Voice 23: Yeah, just to get a sense of what the replanting

[1:33:55] Voice 23: in regards to the Huxley Park,

[1:33:58] Voice 23: the plan that was submitted,

[1:34:00] Voice 23: just curious as to what the parameters were

[1:34:03] Voice 23: or what the wording is.

[1:34:05] Voice 7: And so which planner is that?

[1:34:07] Voice 7: that? That would be Bronwyn Sawyer.

[1:34:11] Trustee Rogers: Oh, yeah. And Bronwyn's not with us. Is anybody able to

[1:34:17] Trustee Rogers: answer that question?

[1:34:20] Planner Zupanec: Unfortunately, I don't have that information available, but I could

[1:34:23] Planner Zupanec: look it up before the end of the meeting and get back to you.

[1:34:27] Trustee Rogers: That would be great. Thank you.

[1:34:29] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much. Anything else from any of the trustees on the follow-up action list?

[1:34:35] Trustee Rogers: no so that just for them again for people members of the the community that are watching this is

[1:34:41] Trustee Rogers: the report that we get every meeting uh after every meeting matters that we have passed motions

[1:34:46] Trustee Rogers: on or have asked for action to be taken or listed on this action report and as they're done their

[1:34:51] Trustee Rogers: mark is completed and then they're taken off the follow-up action so these are the ones that are

[1:34:55] Trustee Rogers: completed recently or are um uh or needed to be so then we are are still active uh there are no

[1:35:05] Trustee Rogers: apc minutes um i'm sorry we've already done that so we're now at the uh social needs assessment we

[1:35:12] Trustee Rogers: uh the rdn uh presentation do we actually have someone from the rdn presenting or is this just

[1:35:17] Trustee Rogers: a memoranda oh

[1:35:19] Voice 12: i've just uh promoted kim fowler from the rdn and she'll be present has a

[1:35:24] Voice 12: a presentation for you great

[1:35:26] Voice 19: thank you very much welcome um welcome uh miss fowler hi sorry i was

[1:35:42] Voice 9: just finding my how to unmute here i

[1:35:45] Trustee Rogers: can hear you but i can't see you yet yeah how's that no uh no

[1:35:51] Trustee Rogers: i can see your screen uh i i see two screens but i can't see you have you got a camera uh

[1:35:59] Voice 9: uh there

[1:36:07] Trustee Rogers: you are all

[1:36:08] Voice 9: right now can you see the presentation which is more important i can see

[1:36:11] Trustee Rogers: us i can see a presentation okay

[1:36:13] Voice 9: i'm not sure

[1:36:15] Trustee Rogers: who's if it's yours yes yeah yes well okay

[1:36:20] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee me okay

[1:36:23] Voice 9: so um thank you and it said we were requested to come and provide an

[1:36:30] Voice 9: overview uh on the process and the results that we've got and where we currently are with the

[1:36:35] Voice 9: social needs assessment um and I'm hoping you can see that properly and if it's not full screen I'll

[1:36:41] Voice 9: it sometimes changes uh

[1:36:47] Trustee Rogers: I can see two pages okay

[1:36:50] Voice 9: and I think that's fine I'll just leave it that

[1:36:52] Voice 9: way because it sometimes does that when you have two screens um uh but essentially uh there you

[1:37:00] Voice 9: have most of a lot of these slides actually in your agenda so I won't spend a whole bunch of

[1:37:05] Voice 9: time on them because you've already you know had an opportunity to review them but it's just to

[1:37:09] Voice 9: give you an overview of the process. And so this was actually, I think, initially initiated by

[1:37:17] Voice 9: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee. And because there was a provincial grant that came

[1:37:25] Voice 9: out, and if you did it individually, I think each local government, you got $25,000 or $50,000.

[1:37:34] Voice 9: Instead, what we chose together is to come together as a group of partners and got,

[1:37:39] Voice 9: I believe, $125,000. So that allowed us to expand the scope and take a look at this. But it is

[1:37:45] Voice 9: through the provincial government's poverty reduction program is where this funding is

[1:37:49] Voice 9: coming from. And so when we started this project, we said that really the purpose is to assess the

[1:37:55] Voice 9: social needs and services within the region to guide future planning and programming to improve

[1:38:00] Voice 9: access to social supports for all citizens. So while the province's focus was on poverty

[1:38:06] Voice 9: reduction we intentionally broadened that because we didn't want solely a focus on poverty there's a

[1:38:12] Voice 9: greater need to be believed in the region and it is a region-wide study uh with with the with our

[1:38:18] Voice 9: partners so the objectives really for recommendations for local governments to

[1:38:22] Voice 9: improve access to services for those living in poverty or at risk of poverty recommendations

[1:38:27] Voice 9: for new or expanded local government initiatives to help reduce or prevent poverty identify where

[1:38:33] Voice 9: other local levels of local government or non-governmental organizations may play a

[1:38:38] Voice 9: leadership or a partnership role in filling those identified gaps and um we've really done an

[1:38:46] Voice 9: assessment of existing research conversations with community-based organizations so it's not just

[1:38:52] Voice 9: local governments and people with lived experience uh was really what we were trying to do um

[1:38:57] Voice 9: through this process.

[1:39:00] Voice 9: And I'll get the next slide talks about the partners.

[1:39:03] Voice 9: So the local governments are city of Nanaimo,

[1:39:08] Voice 9: Lanceville, District of Lanceville,

[1:39:10] Voice 9: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee,

[1:39:13] Voice 9: Town of Colican Beach,

[1:39:14] Voice 9: and all the electoral, seven electoral areas

[1:39:18] Voice 9: within the regional district of Nanaimo.

[1:39:20] Voice 9: We also have partnered with our Oceanside Health

[1:39:24] Voice 9: and Wellness Network, the Nanaimo Area Health Network,

[1:39:27] Voice 9: and the Gabriela Health and Wellness Collaborative.

[1:39:31] Voice 9: So essentially, particularly from those community partners,

[1:39:35] Voice 9: we said those partners already have established processes

[1:39:37] Voice 9: and contacts and information,

[1:39:40] Voice 9: and they really were the ones

[1:39:41] Voice 9: who coordinated this work to date.

[1:39:44] Voice 9: And as you can see in the bottom,

[1:39:46] Voice 9: we're now reviewing the final draft of the report

[1:39:49] Voice 9: that will be finalized and sent to the board in October,

[1:39:53] Voice 9: the RDN board,

[1:39:53] Voice 9: board as we were selected through that discussion to be the lead in the grant so that we're going

[1:40:00] Voice 9: to do when submitting the report back to the province key priority areas of this project

[1:40:06] Voice 9: aligned with the bc's poverty reduction strategy as i said this is the funding has come from the

[1:40:12] Voice 9: province for this access to housing and homelessness supports programs for families children and youth

[1:40:18] Voice 9: social supports and services, access to healthy and affordable food, safe affordable transportation, and discrimination and stigma.

[1:40:29] Voice 9: And these areas were also reviewed by the steering committee for the project so that we made sure that it fit for the region.

[1:40:40] Voice 9: engagements um so 390 319 respondents or participants in the community survey 11

[1:40:48] Voice 9: interviews 21 sharing circles 19 previous engagement reports reviewed and i do note that

[1:40:54] Voice 9: gabriela the participants on gabriela said please do not repeat or duplicate already quite extensive

[1:41:01] Voice 9: amount of work and surveys and reports that are done so our consultant uh has spent quite a lot

[1:41:08] Voice 9: of time reviewing that information so that it was put into this process not duplicated um 30 game

[1:41:14] Voice 9: 30 participants in the game changer workshop and then um elected officials um core themes from

[1:41:21] Voice 9: findings um not this is not surprising but housing is a core issue uh housing continuing has gaps

[1:41:29] Voice 9: housing is unaffordable homelessness is increasing and becoming more acute people are experiencing

[1:41:35] Voice 9: influencing isolation and exclusion in public spaces.

[1:41:39] Voice 9: Health services, including mental health

[1:41:41] Voice 9: and substance use treatment, are not meeting people's needs.

[1:41:44] Voice 9: And primary care, like family doctors, are unavailable while

[1:41:49] Voice 9: extended services such as glasses are unaffordable.

[1:41:56] Voice 9: And I also wanted to make sure we had the others said I have also a list of all

[1:42:05] Voice 9: the participants who've been there, but it said it's it's basically in terms

[1:42:09] Voice 9: of doing this review and discussion it's with people who do provide the services and i do um

[1:42:14] Voice 9: probably share some of the concerns that are stated is that what is really the role of local

[1:42:18] Voice 9: government and in particular in this circumstance for both the local trust committee and the rdn we

[1:42:24] Voice 9: don't provide a social planning service so um how it's all within the land use planning uh scope so

[1:42:30] Voice 9: how can we actually work with this uh but it is such a significant issue in our communities that

[1:42:35] Voice 9: that is why we participated and chose to lead this study.

[1:42:41] Voice 9: So the priority areas, housing and homelessness,

[1:42:44] Voice 9: I won't read all of that,

[1:42:45] Voice 9: but essentially 15% of people responding to the survey

[1:42:48] Voice 9: said they often or almost always struggled

[1:42:51] Voice 9: to meet basic needs.

[1:42:53] Voice 9: And so statistical analysis, top three areas,

[1:42:57] Voice 9: social connectedness, housing and recreation.

[1:43:02] Voice 9: Overall cost of living is a big issue

[1:43:04] Voice 9: followed by lack of social connection and mental health and addictions another priority area is

[1:43:11] Voice 9: families children and youth that again has been identified in both the health networks that we

[1:43:19] Voice 9: work with in the in the NIMO region is that the childhood vulnerabilities are linked to poverty

[1:43:23] Voice 9: housing challenges and food insecurity we actually have a much greater need than the provincial

[1:43:28] Voice 9: average in this region so 45 percent of respondents felt child care was not affordable an option for

[1:43:35] Voice 9: for their family, but 50% felt childcare was unaffordable.

[1:43:39] Voice 9: And there have been announcements made on that,

[1:43:41] Voice 9: but it's a very big need.

[1:43:45] Voice 9: And they also need wraparound supports

[1:43:47] Voice 9: to address all of those aspects,

[1:43:50] Voice 9: health, financial stability, child development and safety,

[1:43:52] Voice 9: and a lack of integration essentially of those services.

[1:43:59] Voice 9: Priority area and social support services,

[1:44:02] Voice 9: I'm sorry, social support and services was also an area.

[1:44:04] Voice 9: The systems are incomplete or not available

[1:44:07] Voice 9: available to everyone, but a quarter of the respondents felt it was challenging to find

[1:44:10] Voice 9: information on social programs, and 28% found of those experiencing poverty experienced

[1:44:15] Voice 9: challenge in accessing this information.

[1:44:18] Voice 9: Their language barriers and other sorts of barriers that are in there and they've been

[1:44:23] Voice 9: identified needs to be further work done to address navigation of services and access

[1:44:29] Voice 9: routes to care along the continuum of service, and access is just not transportation, it's

[1:44:35] Voice 9: also methods to get those. Another priority area, access to healthy and affordable food.

[1:44:42] Voice 9: 38% of respondents and 66% of those who live in poverty indicated that they have

[1:44:47] Voice 9: had to choose between healthy foods and household costs. Access to food banks or social serving

[1:44:54] Voice 9: organizations delivering food is critical. And people without private transportation and working

[1:45:00] Voice 9: individuals had trouble accessing food bank and yeah they said basically there's not much left

[1:45:06] Voice 9: for groceries and you have to decide between medications or you know supplements and food.

[1:45:14] Voice 9: Another priority area is safe affordable transportation. Lack of accessible transit

[1:45:19] Voice 9: is a barrier and 34 percent indicated that transit does not meet their current needs.

[1:45:25] Voice 9: Top reasons were transit service gaps, lack of infrastructure and information gaps on those

[1:45:31] Voice 9: available sort of and really the big one was almost half said they have to go to other communities to

[1:45:39] Voice 9: get the services they need so if they need mental health services and they live in electoral area a

[1:45:44] Voice 9: they have to figure out how to get downtown city of Nanaimo for example another priority area is

[1:45:51] Voice 9: discrimination stigma based on gender age visible minority of the LGBTQA UIA pardon me mental health

[1:46:00] Voice 9: substance abuse, experiencing homelessness, drug abuse, and having a disability. So those still

[1:46:06] Voice 9: feel unsafe in the community and safety in general is the top three concerns identified in the City

[1:46:13] Voice 9: of Nanaimo's review of the official community plan called the Reimagine Nanaimo for engagement. So

[1:46:18] Voice 9: we've also linked with those processes underway as well to experiences of exclusion, anxiety,

[1:46:25] Voice 9: depression, and feelings of powerlessness and prevents access to public spaces, recreation,

[1:46:30] Voice 9: And other services oops sorry so what's next steering committee in the Community partners are reviewing the draft report prepared by our consultants.

[1:46:50] Voice 9: On now until August 16 you do have a steering committee Member is your planning staff person that's on the steering committee.

[1:46:59] Voice 9: committee and be reviewing this report. And then Urban Matters, which is our consultant

[1:47:06] Voice 9: for the project, will revise based on the comments received. And I think we have a set

[1:47:12] Voice 9: of about 12 reviewers. So that's going to be a challenge in terms of putting together

[1:47:16] Voice 9: all the comments from those reviewers. But then we'll be doing a final draft to be completed

[1:47:22] Voice 9: in early September and hopefully to a presentation to the board in October.

[1:47:28] Voice 9: The key piece about this is that the province has stated that this is initial funding and

[1:47:33] Voice 9: really this study is a precursor or a requirement for additional funding.

[1:47:39] Voice 9: So if within the Gabriola Island community, if you want to do sub-regional continual work

[1:47:45] Voice 9: within your own community, there is expected to have additional funding that's going to

[1:47:50] Voice 9: to come out as a result of this program. So we've done this study, which then allows additional

[1:47:56] Voice 9: funding to be applied for. And as I said, it's through the province of BC, through UBCM as a

[1:48:04] Voice 9: standard approach in doing that. And Jemay Shilla is our project manager, and I'm just filling in

[1:48:10] Voice 9: for her today. I think that's, I'll leave it there. If there's any questions, if you have time,

[1:48:16] Voice 9: I know you're over time, so I'll leave that to your discretion. Mr. Chair.

[1:48:23] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, Ms. Fowler. Questions from trustees to you, Ms. Fowler? Yeah, go ahead,

[1:48:29] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langdon.

[1:48:30] Voice 23: Yeah, I'm just curious, will you be providing the data by electoral areas

[1:48:34] Voice 23: potentially? Like what are the distinctions between Gabriel and say other electoral areas

[1:48:39] Voice 23: as in terms of the three sections of connection housing and mental health and health access

[1:48:48] Voice 23: or it will all be amalgamated into an average like this the percentages that were given are

[1:48:54] Voice 23: they reflective of gabriola input or not because i know that gabriola had a fairly large uh um

[1:49:01] Voice 23: participation rate Mr.

[1:49:05] Voice 9: chair through to the trustee there um if there is sub-regional data

[1:49:11] Voice 9: that has been collected it will be provided in the report um some areas are yes and some

[1:49:17] Voice 9: areas are no you did point out that actually uh gabriel had the second highest participation rate

[1:49:22] Voice 9: in the online survey and so we were able to parse out that information uh based on on sub-area so

[1:49:29] Voice 9: So if it's possible, yes, it will be done.

[1:49:31] Voice 9: I don't think we have it for all areas

[1:49:33] Voice 9: given the wide scope of the study

[1:49:36] Voice 9: and all of the areas that were reviewed.

[1:49:38] Voice 9: Mr. Chair.

[1:49:41] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:49:43] Trustee Rogers: Does that answer your question, Trustee Langer?

[1:49:45] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn, over to you.

[1:49:46] Trustee Colbourne: I'm just wondering if some of the recommendations

[1:49:48] Trustee Colbourne: because the local trust committee amongst the partners

[1:49:52] Trustee Colbourne: has a distinct structure and responsibilities.

[1:49:56] Trustee Colbourne: If some of the recommendations go down into different recommendations for different forms of government if that makes sense, having not seen the draft report I want to make sure there is a rural remote island perspective on this, which is why the local trust

[1:50:11] Trustee Colbourne: committee was one of the founding partners of this.

[1:50:15] Voice 9: yes um mr chair if i made through to the trustee uh that really is the secondary uh portion or said

[1:50:23] Voice 9: a follow-up study or grant application or of work that comes out of this um if there is again i said

[1:50:30] Voice 9: the sub regional data it will be given sub-regional recommendations but really i don't

[1:50:35] Voice 9: it it's not going to come out with a list of uh this agency should do this and this agency to do

[1:50:40] Voice 9: this and this one should do that that's not the intent because uh that actually i think would

[1:50:45] Voice 9: probably damage some partnerships because most of the responsibility as we do know is provincial

[1:50:50] Voice 9: uh for these health matters and uh so it is a very much a struggle as we know for local

[1:50:55] Voice 9: governments to address some of these issues but they are uh such a significant issue in most of

[1:51:00] Voice 9: our communities that that is why we're now uh participating in the in this study um we don't

[1:51:06] Voice 9: provide a social planning service so it's really stretches our resources and our capability to

[1:51:11] Voice 9: to to do this type of study uh but it is its intent is to say uh what are the issues uh what

[1:51:19] Voice 9: are the gaps and at least identify those that so that there there can be follow-up done on this

[1:51:24] Voice 9: i hope that answers your question mr chair thank

[1:51:29] Trustee Rogers: you very much uh anything further from either of

[1:51:31] Trustee Rogers: the trustees i really appreciate your the report and the update i know it came up and we're this

[1:51:37] Trustee Rogers: This was one of our projects from, I forget how long ago,

[1:51:41] Trustee Rogers: how long ago we made it, we approved the funding.

[1:51:45] Trustee Rogers: I can remember the meeting.

[1:51:46] Trustee Rogers: So it had to be in person.

[1:51:47] Trustee Rogers: So I think it was the fall of 2019

[1:51:49] Trustee Rogers: if my recollection is right.

[1:51:51] Trustee Rogers: So I'm really glad to see this

[1:51:54] Trustee Rogers: and I'm proud of Gabriel and to see

[1:51:56] Trustee Rogers: such extensive involvement.

[1:51:59] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much.

[1:52:02] Trustee Rogers: There's nothing further.

[1:52:03] Trustee Rogers: I'll just thank you for your presentation.

[1:52:04] Trustee Rogers: We do have the, it's not exactly the same,

[1:52:07] Trustee Rogers: but many components of that presentation

[1:52:08] Trustee Rogers: are in the materials that are in our package.

[1:52:11] Trustee Rogers: Yes, RPM Car.

[1:52:13] Voice 18: I was just showing up if you wanted me to talk,

[1:52:16] Voice 18: speak to the memo at all.

[1:52:18] Voice 18: I don't really have anything to add to Kim's presentation,

[1:52:21] Voice 18: but I'm here to,

[1:52:23] Trustee Rogers: which was

[1:52:26] Voice 18: the next agenda item.

[1:52:27] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I certainly, yeah, that's true.

[1:52:30] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[1:52:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much, Ms. Fowler.

[1:52:35] Trustee Rogers: we really appreciate you coming and speaking to us so the the uh the next um item was the memo

[1:52:43] Trustee Rogers: on page 22 which has the matter attached and i just want to do either trustees have any questions

[1:52:50] Trustee Rogers: or comments or you don't have anything to add related to the memo i didn't think so i think

[1:52:56] Trustee Rogers: the presentation covered off most of it so we appreciate the update and uh good to have that

[1:53:01] Trustee Rogers: information not only for us as a local trust community but for the community at large so

[1:53:06] Trustee Rogers: thanks very much so i don't think there's anything further um i think what i'm going

[1:53:10] Trustee Rogers: to suggest is that we uh uh first of all i'm going to go to uh planner uh zupanich who has

[1:53:16] Trustee Rogers: the information related to the question from trustee langaris regarding tree planting and

[1:53:21] Trustee Rogers: then we'll have warren dingman and then we'll take our lunch break great

[1:53:26] Planner Zupanec: thank you so in terms of the

[1:53:30] Planner Zupanec: replanting plan that the regional district of Nanaimo submitted in order to have their

[1:53:35] Planner Zupanec: development variance permit issued for Huxley Park this is the tree removal and tree replacement

[1:53:40] Planner Zupanec: schedule that was submitted and that triggered the issuance of the permit because this condition was

[1:53:47] Planner Zupanec: considered to be met so you'll see in the first table the trees categorized as being removed due

[1:53:56] Planner Zupanec: to their condition or due to the design of the new skate park so 100 trees due to the design

[1:54:03] Planner Zupanec: 64 trees to be retained and then the second table is the tree replacement table and those are to be

[1:54:13] Planner Zupanec: cited at the rollo mcclay community park in the fall of this year or spring of next year

[1:54:22] Planner Zupanec: so the planner for this file is actually off today so we're not able to ask any specific

[1:54:27] Planner Zupanec: specific questions but I can take them for you and forward them to her go

[1:54:34] Voice 19: ahead trustee yeah just

[1:54:36] Voice 23: curious uh what trees what uh type of trees are being replanted it could be a mix or yeah there's

[1:54:43] Planner Zupanec: three varieties so I'm going to be scrolling a little bit there's three or four varieties listed

[1:54:51] Planner Zupanec: in the report and I'll just show you the site plan oh

[1:54:56] Voice 19: that's not the right one I'm going to

[1:55:08] Planner Zupanec: stop sharing so i can not make everybody dizzy there are species listed in this report let me

[1:55:17] Planner Zupanec: just to get up for you and here they are i'll

[1:55:23] Trustee Colbourne: just i'll fill the dead time by promoting trees

[1:55:26] Trustee Colbourne: for tomorrow fall planting so that's the uh program that we started here and we've got a

[1:55:32] Trustee Colbourne: bunch of douglas firs and some acorns growing um some other uh fun replacement trees so that's

[1:55:40] Trustee Colbourne: It's open to land owners who have land that they want to reforest, restore, and it's also

[1:55:46] Trustee Colbourne: open to donations if you want to fund, get actual trees planted.

[1:55:51] Trustee Colbourne: We planted 1,080 this spring, and we're hoping to get a lot more this fall.

[1:55:55] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you for your commercial time.

[1:55:58] Trustee Colbourne: Perfect.

[1:55:59] Planner Zupanec: So the three varieties listed in the report are the common names, the Arbutus, the Dogwood,

[1:56:06] Planner Zupanec: and the Douglaswood.

[1:56:11] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:56:12] Trustee Rogers: Thanks for that.

[1:56:13] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that nimble finding of the report

[1:56:17] Trustee Rogers: when the planner is involved not here.

[1:56:19] Trustee Rogers: So maybe, yeah, anyway, thanks for that.

[1:56:24] Trustee Rogers: So the next item on the agenda is the report

[1:56:29] Trustee Rogers: on the CBR enforcement.

[1:56:31] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to invite if manager Dingman

[1:56:33] Trustee Rogers: is with us still hopefully.

[1:56:35] Trustee Rogers: And I think the question was just a sort of a generic report

[1:56:39] Trustee Rogers: as to how much enforcement's going on on Gabriola

[1:56:42] Trustee Rogers: related to CVRs and yeah so why don't we go over to you Warren and then there may be some questions

[1:56:50] Trustee Rogers: afternoon

[1:56:53] Voice 26: chair and local trust committee currently there's 13 open files and sorry

[1:57:02] Trustee Rogers: I should have introduced you of course you're the manager of bylaw enforcement for the trust and

[1:57:06] Trustee Rogers: I believe we have you have three bylaw enforcement officers working with you

[1:57:11] Voice 26: yes our latest bylaw

[1:57:13] Voice 26: enforcement office david worthington is now in the southern office so daniel schneider's in the

[1:57:18] Voice 26: the northern office or region ethan's on salt spring and david will be the southern gulf islands

[1:57:24] Voice 26: thank

[1:57:25] Trustee Rogers: you sorry i i neglected to introduce you so thank you very much thank you

[1:57:30] Voice 26: so for gabriola

[1:57:33] Voice 26: uh there's currently 13 open files for the commercial vacation rentals or short-term

[1:57:40] Voice 26: vacation rentals as we generically call them

[1:57:44] Voice 26: i've actually reviewed all of the airbnb ads approximately 10 days ago

[1:57:52] Voice 26: and opened up for new files for enforcement there are three dozen plus ads on gabriola

[1:58:03] Voice 26: many of them are considered lawful their bed and breakfast or just renting out a room within the

[1:58:09] Voice 26: home while the property owner appears to be residing in the residence but we do have these

[1:58:15] Voice 26: 13 other files that are open and these are from 2019 on and with these 13 files there's been a

[1:58:24] Voice 26: total of 10 bylaw violation notices issued the bylaws are currently working on them believes

[1:58:32] Voice 26: that approximately five of them are either compliant but there are maybe in compliance

[1:58:38] Voice 26: but he's still monitoring them and several of these they'll have to be escalating enforcement

[1:58:44] Voice 26: which means that there'll be more violation notices issued because they're not coming into

[1:58:50] Voice 26: compliance they're not indicating that they're going to close the operation or run a bed and

[1:58:55] Voice 26: breakfast there are currently three temporary use permit applications for commercial vacation

[1:59:03] Voice 26: rentals on Gabriola. Two of those applications are for open files. The current application

[1:59:12] Voice 26: you have on your agenda today is not subject to bylaw enforcement. It's not one that we

[1:59:17] Voice 26: had an open file for. And the notes from Daniel indicate that these two of those subject to

[1:59:25] Voice 26: enforcement, so V2 in addition to the current three TUP applications, are intending to file

[1:59:33] Voice 26: temporary use permit applications for their commercial vacation rental and that provides

[1:59:40] Voice 26: the overall summary of what we have done in august on all the islands now that i have a

[1:59:48] Voice 26: full complement of officers there'll be additional short-term vacation rental enforcement as you

[1:59:53] Voice 26: know we're now in the peak season the peak tourist season are there any questions and we

[2:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Just to finish that picture for people observing,

[2:00:02] Trustee Rogers: we have proactive bylaw enforcement

[2:00:05] Trustee Rogers: regarding secret art on Gabriola.

[2:00:07] Trustee Rogers: We passed a motion some time ago asking.

[2:00:11] Trustee Rogers: So it's not, while it can easily be complaint-based,

[2:00:15] Trustee Rogers: people can make complaints and bring things.

[2:00:17] Trustee Rogers: The other way is as the bylaw enforcement

[2:00:20] Trustee Rogers: does what the manager indicated,

[2:00:22] Trustee Rogers: which is they review ads to try and determine

[2:00:25] Trustee Rogers: what the scenarios where there hasn't necessarily

[2:00:29] Trustee Rogers: been a complaint, but to try and find them and etc. The cleanest, cleanest, I shouldn't call it

[2:00:35] Trustee Rogers: cleanest, the easiest way for bylaw enforcement to find them is if somebody flags them for bylaw

[2:00:40] Trustee Rogers: enforcement as opposed to having to do this. Questions from trustees? Yeah, Trustee Lange.

[2:00:46] Voice 23: Yeah, just curious about the bylaw enforcement. Is there quite a difference in numbers between

[2:00:52] Voice 23: absentee landowners and ones where there's a resident who may be renting a cottage or

[2:00:58] Voice 23: or some dwelling on their property

[2:01:01] Voice 23: as a short-term vacation rental?

[2:01:03] Voice 26: So the majority of these will be non,

[2:01:07] Voice 26: basically empty house rentals.

[2:01:09] Voice 26: There's no operator on site.

[2:01:11] Voice 26: That's what the majority of these will be.

[2:01:15] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:01:16] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn, do you have any questions?

[2:01:18] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[2:01:18] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I'm just wondering,

[2:01:19] Trustee Colbourne: you just listed Airbnb,

[2:01:21] Trustee Colbourne: but there's a number of services

[2:01:22] Trustee Colbourne: for different geographic areas.

[2:01:24] Trustee Colbourne: How robust or how many services are you sort of auditing

[2:01:29] Trustee Colbourne: uh for the islands where proactive enforcement which includes gabriel i'll

[2:01:33] Voice 26: also take a look at

[2:01:34] Voice 26: vrbo to see what's advertised on that website but they're usually just duplicates of airbnb

[2:01:41] Voice 26: once someone starts an operation like this they they use primarily airbnb and vrbo and if there's

[2:01:49] Voice 26: ads on both platforms they're usually almost identical so but i will review vrbo to see what

[2:01:57] Voice 26: else you know there will be some who who now know that we check airbnb so they'll just try and use

[2:02:05] Voice 26: exclusively vrbo or they'll do something private but i will follow up on that as well

[2:02:12] Trustee Rogers: so and and

[2:02:14] Trustee Rogers: just to the trustee colburn's part uh point uh as you many many of you know i sat on the short-term

[2:02:20] Trustee Rogers: um vacation rental or commercial began provincial advisory body which is preparing its report that

[2:02:25] Trustee Rogers: It should be out probably next month or September.

[2:02:28] Trustee Rogers: It's actually at UBCM for review right now.

[2:02:31] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, one of the presentations we had related to the various services that are online,

[2:02:36] Trustee Rogers: and you're absolutely right, Trustee Colburn, there's lots of new services.

[2:02:42] Trustee Rogers: They're all pretty small so far.

[2:02:45] Trustee Rogers: However, as often happens, and Airbnb has had something like 77% of the market

[2:02:52] Trustee Rogers: or something like that, and Expedia was the next biggest.

[2:02:54] Trustee Rogers: um however uh you can guess you can count on the fact and it was very made very clear that

[2:03:02] Trustee Rogers: like all many of these technological industries the new startups a number of them will be

[2:03:07] Trustee Rogers: successful and will start to eat into that uh into that business dominance and so they'll end

[2:03:13] Trustee Rogers: up being a number of other options that will make your life more complicated in terms of having to

[2:03:19] Trustee Rogers: to check other websites and referral organizations,

[2:03:25] Trustee Rogers: whatever you want to call them,

[2:03:26] Trustee Rogers: short-term rental organizations.

[2:03:27] Trustee Rogers: But Airbnb was clearly the biggest by far.

[2:03:37] Voice 19: I

[2:03:37] Trustee Rogers: have no other questions.

[2:03:38] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate the update and the information

[2:03:40] Trustee Rogers: to either of you, if not, we'll thank you for your report.

[2:03:44] Trustee Rogers: Gives us some valuable information

[2:03:45] Trustee Rogers: for us to know what the status is.

[2:03:47] Trustee Rogers: And we had a couple of comments

[2:03:49] Trustee Rogers: in the town hall about this issue.

[2:03:51] Trustee Rogers: um i just want to point out that you know it's it's not like nothing is being done but it's a

[2:03:57] Trustee Rogers: process so um and uh we did pass and i wanted to make sure everybody heard we did pass a motion

[2:04:04] Trustee Rogers: a while ago to make it proactive enforcement so that it's not simply um relying upon uh reports

[2:04:11] Trustee Rogers: or or complaints so thank you for that and uh thank you for hanging

[2:04:16] Trustee Rogers: around i'm going to um

[2:04:20] Trustee Rogers: suggest it's 12 38 that we take our break for the for the lunch is um 1 15 makes sense is that

[2:04:29] Trustee Rogers: enough time for trustees and staff okay so what we're going to do is thank you staff and we're

[2:04:36] Trustee Rogers: going to come back and we'll start with the applications and referrals at 7.1 uh at 1 15

[2:04:41] Trustee Rogers: and uh we'll uh i'm sure will you put a sign up to that effect and we'll see everybody that wishes

[2:04:47] Trustee Rogers: to be here back at that point thanks very much uh okay anyway thank you um and i see you nadine

[2:04:54] Trustee Rogers: welcome back and i'm sure will is here welcome back and i see rpm tower so thank you all for

[2:05:03] Trustee Rogers: returning it's uh one now 116. uh we're going to carry on with the agenda and we're into item

[2:05:11] Trustee Rogers: We're into area seven, part seven of the agenda, which is applications, referrals, and bylaws.

[2:05:19] Trustee Rogers: And the first matter up is item 7.1, which starts at page 52 of the agenda, which is

[2:05:26] Trustee Rogers: the return to the cannabis regulations, which have been on our agenda for quite some time.

[2:05:35] Trustee Rogers: uh we have a uh you would have seen earlier in the day if you were with us that the uh the bylaw

[2:05:44] Trustee Rogers: number 303 uh went to public hearing on um uh june of whatever date that was june 17th

[2:05:52] Trustee Rogers: and uh and the minutes of that meeting were are in our package and so we're at the stage where we

[2:06:01] Trustee Rogers: We are giving consideration to further readings, and that's to you, RPM Cowher.

[2:06:06] Trustee Rogers: So over to you.

[2:06:07] Trustee Rogers: Your report starts at page 55.

[2:06:10] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[2:06:12] Voice 18: so as you say, this bylaw has gone through public hearing, and the LTC declined to consider

[2:06:23] Voice 18: third reading at that same meeting, having had some indication from a synonymic that

[2:06:29] Voice 18: they would like to review it.

[2:06:31] Voice 18: I haven't gotten any further comments from the First Nation and they I did communicate with them that this meeting would be occurring that you might consider third meeting and, and I, and I didn't hear any concerns.

[2:06:46] Voice 18: concerns. After that, so staff is bringing forward some recommended minor grammatical punctuation type type amendments and recommending that you move it forward that you pass third reading and move it forward to the executive committee.

[2:07:05] Voice 18: That's it for me.

[2:07:06] Voice 18: thank

[2:07:07] Trustee Rogers: you very much and i i will say that did not come up in either of the meetings i had with this

[2:07:12] Trustee Rogers: although i would not expect it to because those are different fabrics and this would be a stop

[2:07:17] Trustee Rogers: to stop response if there was going to be one uh trustees how do you want to pursue who would like

[2:07:24] Trustee Rogers: to speak to the trustee longer yeah

[2:07:26] Voice 23: i got one question on the minor amendments that were made

[2:07:31] Voice 23: I just noticed I think there might be one comma missing and that is in the uh let me just find

[2:07:40] Voice 23: it here on my document here uh the definition of cannabis production which is on page 58

[2:07:51] Voice 23: I

[2:07:52] Planner Zupanec: think

[2:07:53] Voice 23: there should be a comma after act uh regulations under that act comma it's the

[2:07:59] Voice 23: offsetting comma for the one after develop okay

[2:08:05] Voice 21: that's

[2:08:06] Voice 23: all that so that was in terms of the minor

[2:08:07] Voice 23: amendments um and

[2:08:12] Voice 18: uh so i would suggest yeah that it would be a motion similar to the one on your

[2:08:17] Voice 18: screen 1a um here i've added a comma after the word production so you might want to just yeah

[2:08:23] Voice 18: add a motion to that effect so

[2:08:26] Trustee Rogers: we can do that um i guess my question for the trustees is more from a

[2:08:31] Trustee Rogers: larger point we've been around this a number of times and come back and revisit and brought it

[2:08:36] Trustee Rogers: back uh are we ready to move it forward or how do you feel about that just yeah

[2:08:43] Voice 23: i'm a little bit

[2:08:44] Voice 23: reluctant i know they've been very busy with a lot of things and it may be just a time a factor for

[2:08:50] Voice 23: them and uh if we were to defer to september you're

[2:08:56] Trustee Rogers: talking about this to name it first nation

[2:08:58] Trustee Rogers: you're talking about the first name yes

[2:08:59] Voice 23: yes i am yeah yeah just giving them a little more time

[2:09:02] Voice 23: the letter was sent to them or emailed July the 8th, I think it was, that was sent and

[2:09:09] Voice 23: I don't know if we just, I mean there's nothing more occurring on this until you know we move

[2:09:19] Voice 23: ahead and then they come forward and say well they had some concerns it doesn't get around

[2:09:23] Voice 23: to it you know within our time frame it makes it a bit awkward especially if you have some

[2:09:29] Voice 23: of serious concern because i understand it's regarding water there's some comment around

[2:09:35] Voice 23: water concerns with the bylaw yeah

[2:09:39] Voice 18: i think if i can respond to that to the chair um the comment

[2:09:43] Voice 18: i i did actually meet with their referrals um staff person who said that generally they're

[2:09:49] Voice 18: looking at anything that might impact water um at the time lacy said that she understood that

[2:09:55] Voice 18: a bylaw at this stage does not directly impact water that they understood that

[2:10:01] Voice 18: um that water doesn't get impacted until further down the road when somebody actually develops

[2:10:06] Voice 18: something um so i i i kind of took from her comments that um that there wasn't a great concern

[2:10:16] Voice 18: um and that they understood that this wouldn't impact water directly at least not in the

[2:10:21] Voice 18: immediate term okay i i assume

[2:10:25] Voice 23: i assume there's something to do with cannabis production and the

[2:10:28] Voice 23: use of water um with it with the issue i

[2:10:33] Voice 18: think we talked about it in generalities you know that

[2:10:37] Voice 18: generally they they're they're interested in looking at things that we're doing and and how

[2:10:43] Voice 18: they might impact water yeah

[2:10:45] Voice 23: hydroponics might be a factor if they use that form of cannabis

[2:10:49] Voice 23: of its production right and what happens you know with the uh the liquid that they use the

[2:10:55] Voice 23: hydroponic fluid

[2:10:56] Trustee Rogers: trustee colburn do you have any thoughts about that i mean the suggestion from

[2:11:01] Trustee Rogers: trustee langreis is i mean i understand the motivation is we don't want to feel like we're

[2:11:06] Trustee Rogers: ever rushing a referral to a first nation given how much they have on their plate uh to deal with

[2:11:14] Trustee Rogers: and that they can't always refer and if they're still considering i don't i'm not

[2:11:21] Trustee Rogers: we haven't heard anything yet so yeah

[2:11:26] Trustee Colbourne: i um i share the sentiments uh of trustee long rice i'd rather

[2:11:31] Trustee Colbourne: give this more time um it's it the only issue is it's it's you know i didn't really support

[2:11:36] Trustee Colbourne: moving it past the last stage i oppose that so i'm in a kind of an awkward situation here you know

[2:11:41] Trustee Colbourne: know and I um so you know if I do recognize that we want to move this off our project list and

[2:11:50] Trustee Colbourne: free up staff time for other things as well so um moving it to September feels like a respectful

[2:11:59] Trustee Colbourne: thing to do but you know with the with the eye toward once we do um definitively receive word

[2:12:07] Trustee Colbourne: heard, you know, one way or the other, or we can adapt, then, you know, I can see this

[2:12:15] Trustee Colbourne: moving because there's been very little public interaction or engagement with this work,

[2:12:22] Trustee Colbourne: or the topic or whatever it was, we've held several public hearings and have had minimal

[2:12:27] Trustee Colbourne: to zero interaction. So, you know, it's kind of one of those things that it has the potential

[2:12:33] Trustee Colbourne: to sit on a project list for an inordinate amount of time and take over something that could happen

[2:12:38] Trustee Colbourne: but you know if if if we definitively do not hear word in september and then we do several readings

[2:12:44] Trustee Colbourne: and and that that

[2:12:46] Voice 29: could be the way to to move us along a

[2:12:49] Voice 23: part of my reasoning too is that if

[2:12:51] Voice 23: we defer to september does if there's no response by september there's no further staff work really

[2:12:57] Voice 23: involved it just sits there right it's it's parked sort of and so i i see that it's not in you know

[2:13:05] Voice 23: that deferring it it creates more work unless there's a response from uh first uh the first

[2:13:12] Voice 23: nations can

[2:13:14] Trustee Rogers: we uh can we at least do the amend the minor amendments yeah although they can be done

[2:13:22] Trustee Rogers: they can also be done in september um i mean this whole this report would if we just deferred this

[2:13:27] Trustee Rogers: the report will come back exactly as it is an update on anything from the CINAMIC in September

[2:13:33] Trustee Rogers: and it will take us an extra 40 seconds to deal with the amendments at that stage so it's not

[2:13:40] Trustee Rogers: really a big deal one

[2:13:41] Voice 23: way or the other

[2:13:42] Trustee Rogers: if you'd like to be if you'd like to provide some more

[2:13:44] Trustee Rogers: time for CINAMIC I suggest we just I just suggest we just defer this yeah

[2:13:48] Voice 23: yeah I agree because it

[2:13:50] Voice 23: does nothing prevent staff from and putting it in the common themselves as part of the update

[2:13:56] Voice 23: it's just so minor but it does affect the wording so yeah

[2:14:00] Trustee Colbourne: the comma is you have to close off that

[2:14:02] Trustee Colbourne: phrase i i agree with that comma usage but um i'm fine just deferring this at this point

[2:14:08] Trustee Rogers: okay so um i guess we should have a motion to that effect okay oh

[2:14:14] Planner Zupanec: i'll find it okay

[2:14:16] Planner Zupanec: just need a motion yeah

[2:14:20] Voice 24: to defer i'll

[2:14:22] Voice 23: move uh sorry i'll move that uh ltc requests staff to

[2:14:28] Voice 23: defer uh further readings of gabriel isla local trust committee bylaw 303 to the next local trust

[2:14:36] Voice 23: committee meeting in

[2:14:40] Trustee Rogers: september 2021 yes

[2:14:43] Voice 23: yeah okay in september 2021 okay

[2:14:46] Trustee Rogers: i assume you got that dean

[2:14:48] Trustee Rogers: is there a seconder that's seconded and any further discussion thank you for all your work

[2:14:54] Trustee Rogers: on this uh planner car you won't have to do anything more i don't think maybe just an email

[2:15:00] Trustee Rogers: to the uh the it's the name i'm saying we've deferred and if they have any comments and

[2:15:05] Trustee Rogers: be nice we get a no we don't have any just a one-liner okay i'll call the vote all in favor

[2:15:12] Trustee Rogers: so that passes thanks very much all right so the next matter on the agenda is tup 2021.1

[2:15:18] Trustee Rogers: which is the Tinson Road application and Planner Cox and I think I saw

[2:15:27] Trustee Rogers: Mr. someone I saw Nadine Plotnikoff here I see her twice so I assume that means that both she and

[2:15:37] Trustee Rogers: and her husband are here I'm sorry I've forgotten his first name I apologize anyway

[2:15:44] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, so we're going to get,

[2:15:47] Trustee Rogers: what we'll do is we'll shortly promote you

[2:15:50] Trustee Rogers: to the panelists section

[2:15:54] Trustee Rogers: and we'll have a report from Planner Cox

[2:15:57] Trustee Rogers: and then trustees will ask him any questions they wish to

[2:16:03] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll turn to you, the applicants

[2:16:08] Trustee Rogers: for your concurrence or comments related to the application.

[2:16:13] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Over to you, Planner Cox.

[2:16:16] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you, Chair.

[2:16:18] Voice 5: I believe the confusion with the applicants joining was they had a bit of an issue.

[2:16:24] Voice 5: So I think they signed off and signed back on.

[2:16:26] Voice 5: There's probably just some technical glitch there.

[2:16:30] Voice 5: So obviously this application has received just a few public responses from the notification, as the Chair mentioned earlier, about 40 in total.

[2:16:42] Voice 5: with obviously legitimate and ongoing community concerns and staff feels that the LTC should

[2:16:50] Voice 5: consider these in the way it sees fit you know as you've heard much of or many of those comments

[2:16:58] Voice 5: in town hall just prior so the applicant has also sent an email which the LTC should have

[2:17:03] Voice 5: received yesterday with some comments and responses to those public comments as well

[2:17:10] Voice 5: well. So staff's task has been to review this application against the current OCP guidelines

[2:17:17] Voice 5: for TUPs and whether those are met. And the question of whether to amend LTC bylaws to

[2:17:24] Voice 5: change the types of uses that are permitted for TUP applications. And of course, the information

[2:17:30] Voice 5: required for a given application, such as water cistern capacity or, you know, based on actual

[2:17:38] Voice 5: projected rainfall data or stipulation of exact flow rates for low flow appliances and so forth

[2:17:44] Voice 5: is sort of a larger discussion of course though these applications are discretionary and and

[2:17:51] Voice 5: should be considered on on each under their own their own merit so in your staff report

[2:17:58] Voice 5: this time around you'll find the information that the LTC requested at its last business meeting

[2:18:06] Voice 5: regarding possible licensing from the health authority for rainwater systems so that's

[2:18:13] Voice 5: presented in the staff report which includes some both the legislative review sort of the

[2:18:19] Voice 5: jurisdiction over licensing as well as a recent water quality test that was supplied by the

[2:18:25] Voice 5: applicant i think staff can take any questions you have at this time okay

[2:18:33] Trustee Rogers: before we get turned

[2:18:34] Trustee Rogers: to the applicant i'll turn to trustees do you have questions for staff no

[2:18:41] Trustee Colbourne: i i we um i'm glad

[2:18:43] Trustee Colbourne: we asked for additional information on water and rainwater catchment i think that's an important

[2:18:46] Trustee Colbourne: piece of this i just wanted to note i mean i kind of replied to some people this whole idea of like

[2:18:52] Trustee Colbourne: the planner recommends this you know i think that gets caught up sometimes in some of the you know

[2:18:57] Trustee Colbourne: all of the comments um should be directed at the ltc obviously this the planner uh plays a role in

[2:19:04] Trustee Colbourne: of looking at the application and and how it fits within the current regulations that's where the

[2:19:09] Trustee Colbourne: recommendation comes from i found some of this language that we use to present planner work

[2:19:14] Trustee Colbourne: um can can lead to some antagonistic pieces so um i just want to kind of comment on that that

[2:19:21] Trustee Colbourne: some of that feedback you know you should have recommended this shouldn't have done that i mean

[2:19:24] Trustee Colbourne: this should all come to us as the decision maker of collating all that and then combining it so

[2:19:29] Trustee Colbourne: So I just want to thank staff for the work.

[2:19:31] Trustee Colbourne: And I did learn quite a bit from the follow-up work

[2:19:35] Trustee Colbourne: with the questions we had regarding rainwater catchment.

[2:19:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks, Trustee Colburn.

[2:19:41] Trustee Rogers: You took some of my words out of my mouth.

[2:19:43] Trustee Rogers: So I'll, yes, Trustee Langer.

[2:19:44] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[2:19:44] Voice 23: no, I agree with what Trustee Colburn has said about staff.

[2:19:49] Voice 23: I mean, they're doing it.

[2:19:50] Voice 23: The key issue here, there's two sort of aspects to an application.

[2:19:53] Voice 23: One is the listing of water notices, et cetera.

[2:19:58] Voice 23: and all the technical kind of issues that you know need to be addressed and it's applied to a

[2:20:03] Voice 23: particular application and then there's the other part which is the impact on the integrity of the

[2:20:10] Voice 23: neighborhood that that and i guess that is more of a political decision based on feedback from

[2:20:15] Voice 23: the neighborhood that's my understanding of the process and that uh and i know at the last meeting

[2:20:23] Voice 23: that we had a few letters you know not not not to the extent that we have now on on this application

[2:20:30] Voice 23: from uh neighbors you know speaking to the to the issue whether they're in support or not in support

[2:20:35] Voice 23: and um so my sense of my understanding is that now i guess it's a it's a for us to determine

[2:20:42] Voice 23: what does integrity of the neighborhood mean okay

[2:20:48] Trustee Rogers: so before we get into the discussion of the outcome

[2:20:51] Trustee Rogers: i guess i wanted to make sure we get the if there's any technical questions for the planner

[2:20:55] Trustee Rogers: or if not, I'll invite the applicant to come forward and did you have any, because we had

[2:21:02] Trustee Rogers: a series of questions about water and rainwater catchment and licensing last time around.

[2:21:09] Trustee Rogers: To the extent that we really didn't get into the bigger issue of the exercise of our discretion,

[2:21:14] Trustee Rogers: that's sort of what happened.

[2:21:16] Trustee Rogers: So do you have any more questions for the planner related to his report?

[2:21:23] Trustee Rogers: Do either of you have any questions?

[2:21:26] Trustee Rogers: the staff i mean i mean the trustees no i'm not seeing any so what i'll do what i think we'll do

[2:21:33] Trustee Rogers: now is um i'll turn to the uh the applicant uh and uh thank you for joining us uh nice to see

[2:21:42] Trustee Rogers: you again and um and siegfried and uh we're we have you've seen the staff reports there's two

[2:21:50] Trustee Rogers: two of them. And then there are, you've heard, I expect, I don't know if you were able to watch

[2:21:57] Trustee Rogers: the town hall commentary. I didn't see you on the attendees list, but if you were able to watch

[2:22:04] Trustee Rogers: you've obviously been able to see the some 30 odd, actually more than that, there's 40 odd

[2:22:13] Trustee Rogers: broad letters in relation to your application and so we have the staff report we're what we'll do

[2:22:20] Trustee Rogers: is we'll I'll give you some time if you wish to address part of this we can do it within a few

[2:22:26] Trustee Rogers: minutes five minutes that would be great if you want to address and make some comments to us

[2:22:30] Trustee Rogers: we have your letters there's a three-page letter that you wrote and then there's also a copy of

[2:22:37] Trustee Rogers: the i think a notice you put up on the local notice board that you sent a copy to us as well

[2:22:44] Trustee Rogers: um so we've read that uh got over to you and give your comments and then we may have some questions

[2:22:50] Trustee Rogers: for you sure

[2:22:54] Voice 4: um good afternoon uh counselors i am just um you know i listened to the um

[2:23:01] Voice 4: town hall section there and i took a little exception to saying that our water system was

[2:23:06] Voice 4: ordinary and um yeah so it's it's pretty well detailed what we have the pre-filtration system

[2:23:12] Voice 4: going in it's probably not about the water at this point but uh the capacity we also have a satellite

[2:23:19] Voice 4: tank on the property uh we've been very open what we have we still have plenty of water we've been

[2:23:24] Voice 4: going through this drought we still have in our main cistern 61 percent and that's actually i

[2:23:30] Voice 4: just checked with the tape measure as well and my app's telling me that's full full water capacity

[2:23:36] Voice 4: and it's not about water i know that some some people have uh felt strongly about this application

[2:23:42] Voice 4: uh we entered this in good faith uh you know we saw this process later in in our finishing up

[2:23:50] Voice 4: with this project we realized we spent more money than we expected we spent well over 600 000

[2:23:54] Voice 4: building this home and you know we thought maybe to augment a bit of our income this way and we

[2:23:59] Voice 4: can retire here sooner. I mean, if we're not going to retire, we're going to probably move here in

[2:24:03] Voice 4: three to five years. I mean, it's in our letters. We have no ill intent. We're not investors. We've

[2:24:08] Voice 4: talked to our immediate neighbours. They have fully joined us with this and I've even bumped

[2:24:15] Voice 4: into some of the opposition on the road and there was no ill intent after we parted ways with them.

[2:24:23] Voice 4: so um you know i i do think that uh we're not gonna withdraw our application based on any of

[2:24:30] Voice 4: the feedback we got but uh we're looking to you guys for guidance on this and we plan to comply

[2:24:35] Voice 4: we have been very open about everything so i'll let madeen speak on this um

[2:24:40] Voice 15: yeah i mean i guess

[2:24:43] Voice 15: you know we we bought here because we we we have friends here we grew to know the island and

[2:24:49] Voice 15: and we loved it here. So Siegfried's a builder. It was a nice opportunity for us

[2:24:55] Voice 15: as middle-aged newlyweds to have a home together and take advantage of his skills. And there's

[2:25:02] Voice 15: been some mention of the website and the intent behind it. And the reality is it's a business

[2:25:07] Voice 15: card for Siegfried. He's, you know, he spent the better part of a work year here and he did a

[2:25:12] Voice 15: beautiful job. And it's a chance for other people who might want a builder on a Gulf Island to see

[2:25:18] Voice 15: what can be done so that that website is to promote him and his work well

[2:25:24] Voice 4: that that just

[2:25:25] Voice 4: interject a little bit here i mean

[2:25:27] Voice 4: that said we i didn't realize after covid that so many people

[2:25:31] Voice 4: wanted uh you know

[2:25:32] Voice 4: the trades to pick up like they have and i i've been fully fully booked and i will

[2:25:36] Voice 4: take on some small jobs here still and i want to stay here in the home when we do that um but you

[2:25:42] Voice 4: know we have some nice big projects that are just returning clients of mine that uh came online

[2:25:47] Voice 4: after this pandemic and we've been really busy but again that was funded only by me by my company

[2:25:54] Voice 4: this website only to promote because we couldn't share pictures any other way and it's been linked

[2:25:59] Voice 4: to my webmaster he's done that it was no purpose of advertising it never was advertised uh we

[2:26:04] Voice 4: learned it was on the community bulletin board at one point but uh never got clarification how it

[2:26:08] Voice 4: got on there but uh other than that it's never been advertised this property for rentals yeah so

[2:26:16] Voice 15: So, I mean, I guess what to fill in, I mean, um, I think it's important to stress that our

[2:26:22] Voice 15: immediate neighbors are in full support. And I feel that that's been downplayed, um, even

[2:26:28] Voice 15: incorrectly by some of the people who spoke at town hall, our immediate neighbors are,

[2:26:32] Voice 15: have written, you guys have those letters and they're, they're, they're comfortable with this.

[2:26:38] Voice 15: Um, our, our on island point of contact had also clarified at some point that he took this

[2:26:44] Voice 15: responsibility seriously there were mentions made that this was sort of not serious but he

[2:26:51] Voice 15: he has written in and unfortunately i i don't see his letter um got published there um i think what

[2:26:59] Voice 15: we what we see is that we know housing is a big topic on gabriola you know there's the topic of

[2:27:04] Voice 15: not enough long-term rentals um the whole concept of the tup it seems there's people don't like that

[2:27:12] Voice 15: there's of course the illegal rentals which have been obviously a big problem and it was great to

[2:27:17] Voice 15: hear the report from your staff member about some proactive actions i think that's really great

[2:27:23] Voice 15: and i kind of feel like some of those topics are getting mixed up in this the process was here

[2:27:31] Voice 15: we didn't create it we applied for it and for sure those are all other issues but they're

[2:27:38] Voice 15: sort of being intermingled in what is a very specific application that was done with the

[2:27:44] Voice 15: process as it was when we applied and what we've heard is that we've met the requirements um

[2:27:50] Voice 15: obviously some further feedback was required after the June meeting but we've heard that we put

[2:27:55] Voice 15: forward a good application so we sort of want to stick to the point at hand I suppose and um

[2:28:03] Voice 15: Um, uh, you know, there's also a lot of, um, concern about what sort of people might be

[2:28:10] Voice 15: renters and fair enough, but I think we're guessing on something that we don't know.

[2:28:15] Voice 15: And if we have poor renters, obviously there's a process to, to deal with that and to deal

[2:28:21] Voice 15: with us.

[2:28:22] Voice 15: And from our end, um, you know, I think in our, some of our correspondence, we've talked

[2:28:27] Voice 15: about our dream home and that seems to have upset people.

[2:28:31] Voice 15: but our point is that we didn't buy this in a teardown state renting it until we could improve

[2:28:37] Voice 15: it we improved it we do not want people in here who won't treat our home properly so um and the

[2:28:44] Voice 21: neighbors

[2:28:44] Voice 15: you know we want to live here full time so you know if if we're approved our intention is

[2:28:51] Voice 15: to have a minimum renter age of 40 um to screen all our applicants there's a way to do that you

[2:28:58] Voice 15: You don't have to accept renters.

[2:28:59] Voice 15: You can ask them some pointed questions.

[2:29:03] Voice 15: It's been recommended that you get a photo ID of each renter that's in the home.

[2:29:08] Voice 15: So there are decent processes there that we intend to take full advantage of it because it is our home and it's precious to us.

[2:29:16] Voice 15: So I hope that those are sort of the big concerns.

[2:29:22] Voice 15: And we also heard that this project or this home would be harder on the neighborhood and we're a bit confused about that. Some of that may be some of the language of the Islands Trust documents that make it look like it's a resort or that there is camping or what have you.

[2:29:38] Voice 15: And I mean, the home, if it's rented is the same as when Siegfried and I are here. You know, we're here with two vehicles. We're in and out of the gates and that would be no different.

[2:29:51] Voice 15: So we don't see how the neighborhood, the road systems,

[2:29:56] Voice 15: things like that would be worsened.

[2:30:00] Voice 15: by having occasional guests here will have more of an impact when we live here full-time so i would

[2:30:07] Voice 4: maybe at one point i know it's going to come up um as far as well i did some research i mean we

[2:30:13] Voice 4: in good faith um hired a septic people to do our well and uh do

[2:30:18] Voice 4: our septic based on where the well

[2:30:20] Voice 4: was he asked me about the wallets it's going to be used for gardening for water for the garden

[2:30:24] Voice 4: possibly and we never recommissioned it it's decommissioned and i've actually since have called

[2:30:30] Voice 4: um uh Dan Windecker on the island driving guide to fill it in so it's gonna be filled in he said

[2:30:37] Voice 4: he can do it in about a week to two weeks so it's gonna be filled in that's gonna be off topic we

[2:30:41] Voice 4: don't want the well it's never going to be hooked up to our house and we've been irrigating by the

[2:30:45] Voice 4: way as well a thousand liters a week in our new planting beds and it's been heavier taxing than

[2:30:52] Voice 4: washing our windows regularly to keep the house looking sharp for ourselves and um you know we

[2:30:58] Voice 4: We feel, you know, I'm not saying we never will have to truck in a water tanker if we run out in a month and a half, two months from now at this rate.

[2:31:09] Voice 4: But we don't know.

[2:31:11] Voice 4: We're doing everything we can to be a very low footprint on this island and complying with all the regulations set forth as well.

[2:31:19] Voice 4: So that's us.

[2:31:22] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:31:22] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:31:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you for those comments.

[2:31:26] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to turn to Trustee.

[2:31:27] Trustee Rogers: Do you have any questions for the applicant?

[2:31:29] Trustee Rogers: did i see your hand up trustee colbert uh

[2:31:32] Trustee Colbourne: just a question just to clarify whether or not um because

[2:31:35] Trustee Colbourne: there's been some confusion and um if it's already been advertised or hasn't been advertised could

[2:31:41] Trustee Colbourne: you just clarify that there's some confusion personal website promoting a business activity

[2:31:45] Trustee Colbourne: which is not rentals just just to be sure that that um question's been asked it

[2:31:49] Voice 4: has never been

[2:31:50] Voice 4: advertised no no has not has not been advertised

[2:31:53] Voice 15: yeah we've

[2:31:55] Voice 4: had family stay here and that's all

[2:31:56] Voice 4: we've had here and

[2:31:57] Voice 15: we're here for longer than when we've both actually sort of blocked off

[2:32:01] Voice 15: for more vacation this summer because we thought you know we're

[2:32:05] Voice 4: waiting for the application we're

[2:32:06] Voice 15: here you may not get a chance to be here for three weeks again in the summer so we're here

[2:32:11] Voice 15: but no it's not rented okay

[2:32:13] Trustee Colbourne: thank you for clarifying that and thank you for um putting

[2:32:17] Trustee Colbourne: forward your application thank you thank you

[2:32:19] Trustee Rogers: trustee langras you have any questions

[2:32:23] Voice 23: No, not specific questions. I've listened to what they had to say about their intention and about the well, etc. So I think I need to get into the discussion about the, you know, the community feedback I think at this point in time.

[2:32:43] Trustee Rogers: I guess my question is more of a query and a bit of feedback.

[2:32:48] Trustee Rogers: I watched your video, the drone video.

[2:32:52] Trustee Rogers: I'd be hard-pressed to conclude that that was an advertising vehicle for Siegfried

[2:32:58] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to for the house when it ends with come and visit us.

[2:33:03] Trustee Rogers: um so you know

[2:33:06] Trustee Rogers: i um anyway i just i just wanted to give you a little reflection on that i thank

[2:33:12] Trustee Rogers: you for thank you for your clarification but that that i as i said i watched it and i was

[2:33:18] Trustee Rogers: as i said although it did not say this is for rent um and it did not uh i certainly would have

[2:33:25] Trustee Rogers: concluded that that that was the intent of it you

[2:33:28] Voice 15: know we um we've had a lot of people in our life

[2:33:32] Voice 15: who wanted to come see the house.

[2:33:34] Voice 15: I mean, it was sort of our baby for two years of our life.

[2:33:37] Voice 15: And COVID, our intention was always to have

[2:33:40] Voice 15: like a housewarming or an open house.

[2:33:42] Voice 15: And even a lot of people on the island,

[2:33:44] Voice 15: people from the building supply store,

[2:33:46] Voice 15: a lot of people wanted to see it when it was done.

[2:33:49] Voice 15: And it didn't get done until during COVID.

[2:33:51] Voice 15: So, you know, it wasn't realistic to host people.

[2:33:56] Voice 15: So Siegfried's web guy felt very strongly

[2:34:00] Voice 15: that we needed to get some presence of this big project of his online it's it's a big piece of

[2:34:05] Voice 15: work for him and it's you know there aren't that many builders in this area so you know we did that

[2:34:11] Voice 15: sort of also to to share with our family and friends you know and

[2:34:15] Voice 15: a lot of people say where

[2:34:16] Voice 15: is gabriola how do i get to gabriel kind of get tired of asking and answering the question it's

[2:34:21] Voice 15: just easier to sort of give them some basic information we

[2:34:25] Voice 4: we have flat out turned down

[2:34:26] Voice 4: people who

[2:34:27] Trustee Rogers: wanted to rent her home so that's so can i just ask you another couple of questions

[2:34:31] Trustee Rogers: because these are points that were raised in a few of the letters uh um just to make and i i agree

[2:34:39] Trustee Rogers: with say freed water is not really the bigger issue right now but the point was made that in

[2:34:44] Trustee Rogers: fact your storage is more like 12 000 imperial gallons not 15 000 i i i i took that to be

[2:34:52] Trustee Rogers: accurate i want to make sure you had a chance to comment on that if you you needed to um well

[2:34:57] Voice 4: the exact number in liters is 54 000 liters under my deck under our back and that's a number and

[2:35:04] Voice 4: then we have another 10 000 liters which is 25 000 imperial gallons or 2500 2500 sorry 2500 imperial

[2:35:13] Voice 4: gallons or 3 000 us a gallons in that one tank we have on the property if we feel we are short

[2:35:20] Voice 4: next this year we might add an extra tank we felt we needed that but we want to be very little

[2:35:25] Voice 4: impact we have plenty of overflow water happening in the winter time that yeah well we

[2:35:32] Trustee Rogers: all do yeah

[2:35:32] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay um and uh you mentioned about watering what what are you using to irrigate with

[2:35:40] Trustee Rogers: we

[2:35:41] Voice 4: have a separate pump that's plugged into an outlet that is designed for that area it's you

[2:35:46] Voice 4: know it has a separate pump it's on a timer with um but is it the rain water catchment

[2:35:53] Voice 4: it's a tank outside that we just filled with a garden hose i have a gardener coming by once

[2:35:57] Voice 4: a week he fills it up it's a thousand meters i've programmed it for to take out of that tank

[2:36:01] Voice 4: thank

[2:36:01] Trustee Rogers: you i don't want to distract myself by the trustees too much with that because i think

[2:36:06] Trustee Rogers: there's another conversation coming so thank you very much and thank you for your commentary i did

[2:36:11] Trustee Rogers: read your three-page letter and um i just wanted i want to um i do want to say one thing more to

[2:36:19] Trustee Rogers: you is is that even a number of the the uh the letters that were that did not approve or oppose

[2:36:26] Trustee Rogers: your application uh did recognize that it was it was um a positive that you had applied um as

[2:36:34] Trustee Rogers: opposed to operating in a different way so i just wanted to reckon recognize that that those people

[2:36:39] Trustee Rogers: people had and I think it was trustee Colburn said thank you for your application so thank you so

[2:36:45] Trustee Rogers: well maybe he'll ask you to put on mood and then we'll talk amongst oh did you have a question for

[2:36:50] Trustee Rogers: the applicants before we actually

[2:36:52] Voice 23: uh to in terms of prior to applying uh to what extent did you

[2:36:58] Voice 23: canvas the neighborhood on the idea who did you the number of people that you contacted prior to

[2:37:05] Voice 23: applying yeah or consider that did you uh canvass the neighborhood we

[2:37:10] Voice 4: did not go around canvassing

[2:37:12] Voice 4: i personally didn't go around canvassing prior to applying though yeah no i

[2:37:15] Voice 23: mean we mentioned it to

[2:37:17] Voice 4: uh our friends that are on the island and they said you know what probably it's a good idea

[2:37:21] Voice 4: and yeah that's about it i mean we canvass now we saw this this uh this coming up we we we were

[2:37:28] Voice 4: you know we went canvassing during their process time and uh once the application we talked to our

[2:37:33] Voice 4: our neighbors about it and they said they're fine with it and you know I talked to Dave one more

[2:37:38] Voice 4: time I said Dave would you mind writing a letter he said you know I would love to write a letter

[2:37:41] Voice 4: and he's done that I guess so yeah no

[2:37:44] Voice 15: I would disagree a little bit with you Sigrid um we we

[2:37:48] Voice 15: know our immediate neighbors quite well on either side and they were well aware that we were going

[2:37:53] Voice 15: to to apply and there was no there was no negative feedback at all from that and then during our time

[2:38:00] Voice 15: here we made a point of just walking around in in our immediate little cul-de-sac and and speaking

[2:38:06] Voice 15: to some others and yeah

[2:38:07] Voice 4: you did that yeah who

[2:38:09] Voice 15: who said oh okay yeah we have absolutely no problem

[2:38:12] Voice 15: with this and and um and and some later letters came came forward at the point we didn't view

[2:38:18] Voice 15: this as an election like we didn't go door to door like an election campaign um so we we trusted

[2:38:25] Voice 15: that those who wanted to wrote in and then I tried to summarize how what what I saw were the general

[2:38:31] Voice 15: topics of concern from from the other letters that were submitted yeah

[2:38:38] Voice 4: Dave was fully aware

[2:38:39] Voice 4: our immediate neighbor who lives beside us he was aware I told him right away it was going to apply

[2:38:43] Voice 4: before we applied he

[2:38:44] Voice 15: actually said he said to us that it's it's lonely here on the point in the

[2:38:49] Voice 15: winter and I'd love it if there were some other people around so I think our neighbors have seen

[2:38:55] Voice 15: that we're not partiers um that we we've had we have siblings we've had lots of friends who've

[2:39:01] Voice 15: come to visit and we're pretty quiet people so yeah

[2:39:05] Voice 23: i've not heard anything in terms of who you

[2:39:08] Voice 23: are as people you know that definitely that's not been an issue yeah from what

[2:39:12] Voice 23: i've read that's in

[2:39:13] Voice 23: fact has been positive comments about who you are so good thank you

[2:39:17] Trustee Colbourne: and i'll just

[2:39:19] Voice 23: make one comment

[2:39:20] Trustee Colbourne: um just

[2:39:20] Trustee Colbourne: there's been a tendency towards anonymous um you know sort of interactions both within the

[2:39:25] Trustee Colbourne: policy statement we had sort of a mail out with a lot of disinformation with funding unsaid and

[2:39:29] Trustee Colbourne: there's been some i live nearby so obviously you know the community bulletin board is not just a

[2:39:34] Trustee Colbourne: facebook thing it's literally by the mailbox there's things put up you know i think if you

[2:39:37] Trustee Colbourne: can see by this process we're having a community discussion it's respectful it was a process we're

[2:39:42] Trustee Colbourne: following and there's a lot of other conditions that applied so i would hope that people can see

[2:39:46] Trustee Colbourne: that this is a process for community discussion we can be respectful and kind to staff and each

[2:39:49] Trustee Colbourne: other and the the

[2:39:51] Trustee Colbourne: tendency towards anonymity kind of comes from the social media sphere and it

[2:39:54] Trustee Colbourne: doesn't lead to that same sort of just respectful communication that's just something i like to

[2:39:58] Trustee Colbourne: observe okay

[2:40:00] Trustee Rogers: okay so thank you for that i'll put you on mute and you're welcome to stay on camera

[2:40:05] Trustee Rogers: if you wish uh but i could ask you to mute yourself because we're going to now have a

[2:40:09] Trustee Rogers: discussion if there's any reason for us to come back to you uh we will um and we'll uh talk

[2:40:15] Trustee Rogers: amongst ourselves um so trustees uh and and of course if you have any questions or comments to

[2:40:21] Trustee Rogers: the planner as well trustees uh we have a staff report and a recommendation and um so what what's

[2:40:29] Trustee Rogers: your thoughts trustee colbert

[2:40:32] Trustee Colbourne: so i'm i i i do thank thank them for the application it's obviously

[2:40:37] Trustee Colbourne: come at a time where it's caught up in a lot of other things a lot of kind of crisis happening

[2:40:41] Trustee Colbourne: at the same time i'm going back into the agenda package for the last um meeting on june the 17th

[2:40:47] Trustee Colbourne: I'm going to put forward a motion. I've emailed it to Nadine, the minute taker, that in response to the ongoing ecological and housing crisis on Gabriel Island, the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee is deferring further consideration of GBTUP 2021.1 until such a time that a comprehensive review of official community plan policies and guidelines pertaining to the issuance of temporary use permits for commercial vacation rentals is completed.

[2:41:11] Trustee Colbourne: it so i'm going to put forward that motion it kind of cuts off the discussion on this application

[2:41:16] Trustee Colbourne: specifically but it defers it and i've also put forward a notice of intent to actually

[2:41:22] Trustee Colbourne: um do some of the things that this the second part of the motion says uh sorry i'm speaking

[2:41:26] Trustee Colbourne: to the motion i'll just i'll just put that forward okay

[2:41:31] Trustee Rogers: i haven't seen that um i heard it just now

[2:41:34] Trustee Rogers: and uh i guess um you've sent it to the dean do we have a capacity to put motions up on the screen

[2:41:46] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if Nadine can do that or not.

[2:41:51] Voice 25: I don't know.

[2:41:53] Voice 25: Hold on.

[2:41:56] Trustee Colbourne: I could e-mail it to Will as well.

[2:41:59] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:42:00] Voice 12: I can share my screen if you e-mail it to me.

[2:42:03] Trustee Colbourne: Sure.

[2:42:04] Trustee Colbourne: And I'll just share the page number from the agenda package

[2:42:07] Trustee Colbourne: from the June 17th meeting.

[2:42:09] Trustee Colbourne: It's on page 179.

[2:42:12] Trustee Colbourne: So, and it's a staff recommendation.

[2:42:14] Trustee Colbourne: Oh, I see.

[2:42:15] Trustee Rogers: Sorry.

[2:42:16] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:42:16] Trustee Rogers: okay i beg your pardon if it's in the if it's in if it's somewhere that we can access it that's

[2:42:20] Trustee Rogers: great so

[2:42:21] Trustee Colbourne: that's also also put it forward to um to um will so it can be put up on the screen for the

[2:42:27] Trustee Colbourne: viewers oh so

[2:42:28] Trustee Colbourne: it's in the last package it's in the last package that's right

[2:42:34] Trustee Rogers: did it get

[2:42:34] Voice 19: seconded i think you need to see it first maybe just send it

[2:42:42] Voice 19: to will there

[2:42:55] Voice 19: oh there it is no that's not it i

[2:43:00] Voice 5: was just trying to share my screen with a copy of that report but

[2:43:03] Voice 5: Will's got it.

[2:43:05] Voice 19: Are you able to see that all right?

[2:43:17] Voice 19: I can see, yes.

[2:43:32] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:43:32] Voice 19: There's

[2:43:33] Trustee Rogers: a motion that's been made.

[2:43:34] Trustee Rogers: Do we have a seconder?

[2:43:39] Voice 23: I'll second for discussion.

[2:43:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:43:43] Trustee Rogers: So it's been moved and seconded.

[2:43:45] Trustee Rogers: So who wants to discuss it?

[2:43:48] Trustee Rogers: I moved it.

[2:43:49] Trustee Colbourne: So I'll quickly sort of discuss it.

[2:43:52] Trustee Colbourne: It comes out of the previous report as well.

[2:43:55] Trustee Colbourne: we've obviously got a a housing and ecological crisis they're intermingled um and part of what

[2:44:03] Trustee Colbourne: the report recommends is is going into and this will come up later in this discussion as well

[2:44:09] Trustee Colbourne: later in this meeting with the on the agenda with the housing project and whether or not short-term

[2:44:14] Trustee Colbourne: rentals could be a short-term project that came up from the town hall but um there's um a lot of

[2:44:20] Trustee Colbourne: of these bits and pieces within the official community plan

[2:44:22] Trustee Colbourne: and land use bylaws that we need to work on and change.

[2:44:27] Trustee Colbourne: Right now, the islands trust both at the local level here

[2:44:32] Trustee Colbourne: at the local trust committee and the local trust area

[2:44:34] Trustee Colbourne: and the broader broad is we're kind of responding

[2:44:37] Trustee Colbourne: to developers and builders needs.

[2:44:39] Trustee Colbourne: And what I heard from the community response

[2:44:44] Trustee Colbourne: is a lack of affordable housing options

[2:44:47] Trustee Colbourne: and or the stvr the cvr connection to that and then impact on neighborhoods um from an ecological

[2:44:54] Trustee Colbourne: point of view and also from a lived experience point of view so um i feel like we're putting

[2:45:03] Trustee Colbourne: and but there are still um tup applications that could come forward in the near term that could

[2:45:10] Trustee Colbourne: um either be by their location or a connection as like an ancillary income source for

[2:45:18] Trustee Colbourne: farmers and for for agriculture because you know there are some flexibility in this case

[2:45:25] Trustee Colbourne: i feel like this is caught up in those larger issues and that's why i feel like it should be

[2:45:29] Trustee Colbourne: deferred until we deal with those larger issues as a community in a community engaged way so i'm

[2:45:35] Trustee Colbourne: kind of joking that's the end of my preamble um

[2:45:41] Trustee Rogers: trustee langaris you want to speak and i do want

[2:45:43] Trustee Rogers: to speak to this motion as well

[2:45:45] Voice 23: yeah i i i somewhat concerned about the idea of deferring

[2:45:52] Voice 23: based on something that's not in in under under construction this point in time was talking about

[2:45:59] Voice 23: a future step you know doing an ocp review on that so i'm a little bit concerned about that that is

[2:46:06] Voice 23: that a reason within the scope of the current ocp that we can actually action this i mentioned that

[2:46:12] Voice 23: at the last meeting as well I believe not sure that can we say that we're going to do this and

[2:46:18] Voice 23: so at this point we're not going to do uh approve or actually what you're saying is deferring right

[2:46:24] Voice 23: not not approving and I'm just not certain about that how that how that would work legally

[2:46:34] Trustee Rogers: so not to cut you off trustee Langeris but here's my question trustee Fulber and because and this

[2:46:39] Trustee Rogers: This is, I think it echoes a little bit of Trustee Langeras'.

[2:46:48] Trustee Rogers: So these types of applications of course are a bit odd

[2:46:52] Trustee Rogers: because we've set out a series of criteria

[2:46:57] Trustee Rogers: by which we can grant effectively a,

[2:47:01] Trustee Rogers: we can grant an exception to what the zoning says, okay?

[2:47:07] Trustee Rogers: Zoning doesn't allow commercial vacation rentals

[2:47:10] Trustee Rogers: in this area.

[2:47:10] Trustee Rogers: So the TUP is an exceptional process, trying to find a way, and then set out a series of guidelines by which we give, these are the things we'll take into account, we may take into account when deciding to exercise our discretion.

[2:47:25] Trustee Rogers: question. So I'm wondering why you're tying the two things together. I mean, I have many

[2:47:38] Trustee Rogers: thoughts about why you might just deny this application based on some of the submissions

[2:47:45] Trustee Rogers: we've received and the objective of temporary use permits clause. But I don't want to cut off

[2:47:53] Trustee Rogers: off your thought if you think it's important to defer rather than deny why you would think that

[2:47:58] Trustee Rogers: would be and then and then proceed to take this step to try and move us along resolving this

[2:48:06] Trustee Rogers: issue so what's your thinking about that um

[2:48:08] Trustee Colbourne: yeah so that i believe from the from the staff report

[2:48:13] Trustee Colbourne: in the previous meeting is that this this is language that was put forward um because i do

[2:48:19] Trustee Colbourne: believe that each and every application at this point for an STVR and for a commercial

[2:48:25] Trustee Colbourne: vacation rental conflicts with the housing project review and our ongoing work to basically

[2:48:31] Trustee Colbourne: look at housing options and not just options for developers of housing and builders of

[2:48:35] Trustee Colbourne: housing but options for people who currently don't have options.

[2:48:38] Trustee Colbourne: And also the ecological impact and water and everything else.

[2:48:41] Trustee Colbourne: So that's where this is coming from.

[2:48:45] Trustee Colbourne: It's the fact that each specific application, although they have their merits and there could be exceptions, at this point, I believe this conflicts with the project work that's ongoing and that I believe we need to start proactively changing in the short term.

[2:49:02] Trustee Colbourne: So deferring it is a form of tying it to a community project that's already underway.

[2:49:10] Trustee Colbourne: And because this language was put forward and it deals with section 462 of the Local Government Act,

[2:49:18] Trustee Colbourne: it allows us that time as a community and as an LTC to come to grips with what is a pandemic related housing crisis.

[2:49:27] Trustee Colbourne: It has played a role. There has been a construction boom, and there has been a corresponding loss of rental housing specifically for large numbers of individuals, we were already in a precarious state so I believe that the the process we have for to

[2:49:46] Trustee Colbourne: TUPs now is is in conflict with the ongoing project work and I'd like us to get that work done

[2:49:51] Trustee Colbourne: in in the short term and that's part of the reason I put forward this sort of um

[2:49:57] Trustee Colbourne: that

[2:49:57] Voice 6: is my question why not deny it and get that project work started I

[2:50:03] Trustee Colbourne: believe deferring it is

[2:50:04] Trustee Colbourne: is a fairer response to the work that's gone into it on the behalf of the applicants and the staff

[2:50:09] Trustee Colbourne: with the current um it's an outright rejection i believe um it you know we can have that discussion

[2:50:18] Trustee Colbourne: after this but i want to put forward a deferment and tie it to the larger project work before we

[2:50:24] Trustee Colbourne: rejected it on other grounds according to the ocp i hope that makes sense i've

[2:50:30] Voice 23: got one question

[2:50:32] Voice 23: on that is if you defer this one and the next one comes along what would be the reasons to not defer

[2:50:39] Voice 23: defer that as well are you now like that's what I'm not clear on because there are you know certain

[2:50:46] Voice 23: criteria set out in the OCP on applications and the question of an of uh you know the integrity

[2:50:53] Voice 23: of their neighborhood so if we say no or say defer now on this one when the next one comes along

[2:51:01] Voice 23: what would be the rationale to approve it as opposed to also deferring it

[2:51:07] Trustee Colbourne: i put forward some issues from examples where if it's an ancillary economic benefit to a farming

[2:51:13] Trustee Colbourne: operation to a small-scale farming operation which is we have a tup for that

[2:51:17] Voice 20: type of operation

[2:51:17] Trustee Colbourne: i want to be have some

[2:51:19] Trustee Colbourne: flexibility however it there's an incredibly high bar um and we're

[2:51:25] Trustee Colbourne: seeing in the community response but also in in the work that's been done in the project

[2:51:29] Trustee Colbourne: to approving intensification of you know use on properties half acre properties close proximity

[2:51:40] Trustee Colbourne: lack of water and then and then there's a connection i believe to a housing crisis that's

[2:51:46] Trustee Colbourne: having a clear and immediate effect that the trust we're spending far too much time dealing with

[2:51:54] Trustee Colbourne: people needing to get value out of their homes as opposed to the what we're supposed to be doing

[2:51:59] Trustee Colbourne: which is preserve protecting the ecological values and and some of the community values

[2:52:04] Trustee Colbourne: which is a duty of care for neighbors and renters and we're losing that balance here that's why this

[2:52:12] Trustee Colbourne: this is a response to the ongoing ecological and housing crisis so to answer your question i can

[2:52:18] Trustee Colbourne: see future applications having some um positive benefits um so i wouldn't but i you know i would

[2:52:27] Trustee Colbourne: probably put forward this motion to to other uh tup applications for commercial vacation rentals

[2:52:33] Trustee Colbourne: for the reasons i put forward this yeah yeah

[2:52:35] Voice 23: one of the common threads for all applications

[2:52:38] Voice 23: of course will be the question of the neighborhood you know the impact on the neighborhood and i mean

[2:52:43] Voice 23: that's this that's the one of the key questions that will flow you know to each application

[2:52:49] Voice 23: and uh that's why my sense is that we you know what if we deferred we're deferring it for

[2:52:57] Voice 23: what specific reason besides looking at the ocp guidelines because that's what we're supposed to

[2:53:05] Voice 23: be refusing now i know i and i agree with a lot of what you're saying about the the larger picture

[2:53:11] Voice 23: but I'm just a little concerned about drawing the larger picture in on something a very local issue

[2:53:16] Voice 23: at this point in time um you know which is the neighborhood uh question yeah a little bit and

[2:53:24] Voice 23: that would be that would

[2:53:25] Trustee Colbourne: be a discussion for the on the specific application yeah you know this

[2:53:28] Trustee Colbourne: is a half acre

[2:53:29] Trustee Colbourne: lot surrounded by other half acre lots there's close proximity

[2:53:31] Trustee Colbourne: so other you know

[2:53:33] Trustee Colbourne: there could be another application where it's a five acre no neighbors on either side and then

[2:53:38] Trustee Colbourne: and the neighborhood impact argument isn't there

[2:53:41] Trustee Colbourne: and yet it still can have other implications for housing.

[2:53:44] Trustee Rogers: And frankly, we've already had that discussion

[2:53:46] Trustee Rogers: because we've had two or three TUPs this term

[2:53:50] Trustee Rogers: that were pretty non-controversial and we approved them.

[2:53:55] Trustee Rogers: Now there's

[2:53:56] Trustee Rogers: a different discussion going on

[2:53:57] Trustee Rogers: about whether TUPs are a good format

[2:54:01] Trustee Rogers: that is coming to the floor.

[2:54:03] Trustee Rogers: And I think that's what you're talking about,

[2:54:04] Trustee Rogers: So, Trustee Colburn, whether TUPs, our commercial vacation rentals should be basically part of the package or not anymore.

[2:54:14] Trustee Rogers: Whether it should be a different type of, you have your commercial rentals and your B&Bs and then you have a short-term vacation rentals are different.

[2:54:23] Trustee Rogers: And

[2:54:24] Trustee Colbourne: the nature of the housing crisis has escalated significantly.

[2:54:28] Trustee Colbourne: The

[2:54:28] Trustee Rogers: amount of development

[2:54:29] Trustee Colbourne: activity of market real estate has, you know,

[2:54:33] Trustee Colbourne: These are, we've got a very outdated OCP

[2:54:37] Trustee Colbourne: and things have changed in six months.

[2:54:40] Voice 23: So I

[2:54:41] Trustee Rogers: do want me to slow down for a minute.

[2:54:44] Trustee Rogers: And I apologize for this

[2:54:45] Trustee Rogers: because I know we've got more things to discuss today.

[2:54:47] Trustee Rogers: But you've said a couple of times

[2:54:49] Trustee Rogers: that this motion was in the last agenda package.

[2:54:52] Trustee Rogers: And I can't find it.

[2:54:55] Trustee Rogers: And you've implied that it was a staff recommendation

[2:54:59] Trustee Rogers: or something like that.

[2:55:00] Trustee Rogers: And I can't find it.

[2:55:01] Trustee Rogers: So could we find that so that I know what it is we're referring to so that we can get some sense around that motion being somehow staff initiated or something of that nature?

[2:55:11] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, it's page 179 and 180 from the June 17th agenda package.

[2:55:21] Voice 23: We actually passed a motion to that effect?

[2:55:24] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, we said we would consider it.

[2:55:26] Trustee Colbourne: And so I've considered it for the past month.

[2:55:28] Trustee Colbourne: And this is my response.

[2:55:30] Trustee Colbourne: so

[2:55:30] Voice 23: so it wasn't the actual motion that passed it was no

[2:55:33] Trustee Colbourne: but it was a it was a it was

[2:55:36] Voice 23: a hey you need

[2:55:36] Voice 23: to take

[2:55:36] Trustee Colbourne: a look at this and so

[2:55:38] Trustee Colbourne: that we passed a motion on that i've gone back in and i've reread

[2:55:41] Trustee Colbourne: that and reread some of the reports uh okay

[2:55:43] Trustee Rogers: yeah staff uh yeah sonja can i help so

[2:55:48] Planner Zupanec: just to clarify

[2:55:48] Planner Zupanec: that was a recommendation as part of the housing options and impacts review project not planner

[2:55:54] Planner Zupanec: or Cox's report on the TUP itself so

[2:55:58] Trustee Rogers: let me go back and find that and

[2:56:01] Planner Zupanec: it was a generic

[2:56:02] Planner Zupanec: staff recommendation not specific to any particular temporary use permit application

[2:56:07] Planner Zupanec: it was part of a suite of options for the LTC to consider moving forward in the short-term

[2:56:14] Planner Zupanec: medium-term long-term right things that you could do to address various aspects of the housing

[2:56:23] Planner Zupanec: options and impacts review project so that's where that wording comes from the insertion of the

[2:56:30] Planner Zupanec: specific tup permit in this case was done for the purposes of your discussion right now by the

[2:56:36] Planner Zupanec: trustee that wasn't part of the original staff report thank you

[2:56:43] Trustee Colbourne: for clarifying that i didn't do

[2:56:44] Trustee Colbourne: a good job of introducing this okay

[2:56:46] Trustee Rogers: so sorry this is on page 179 and where it says we can address

[2:56:50] Trustee Rogers: us CVRs in a number of ways conduct

[2:56:52] Trustee Rogers: and one of them is consider whether

[2:56:54] Trustee Rogers: issuance of new or renewal TUPs

[2:56:56] Trustee Rogers: is in direct conflict with the housing options

[2:56:58] Trustee Rogers: and impacts review and if so withhold

[2:57:00] Trustee Rogers: issuance until such time that a review

[2:57:02] Trustee Rogers: is completed.

[2:57:03] Trustee Rogers: That's where this is coming from.

[2:57:05] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:57:09] Trustee Rogers: I see.

[2:57:10] Trustee Rogers: Well, okay. I'm going to be

[2:57:12] Trustee Rogers: if I could, I'm going to be a little bit

[2:57:15] Trustee Rogers: blunt

[2:57:16] Trustee Rogers: about this. I am totally

[2:57:19] Trustee Rogers: fine with setting some sort of parameters

[2:57:21] Trustee Rogers: around further two UPs.

[2:57:28] Trustee Rogers: I think that a deferral on this case,

[2:57:31] Trustee Rogers: on this basis is basically the same as a denial

[2:57:34] Trustee Rogers: because it's going to be a while

[2:57:35] Trustee Rogers: until we get that work done.

[2:57:39] Trustee Rogers: And frankly, as I've examined this

[2:57:42] Trustee Rogers: and listened to the community myself,

[2:57:44] Trustee Rogers: and I don't live on Gabriola,

[2:57:45] Trustee Rogers: so I always understand I'm not on Gabriola.

[2:57:48] Trustee Rogers: I'm not speaking from an island perspective

[2:57:50] Trustee Rogers: And you probably hear more than I do, but I've never seen the kind of community response that I saw in this case in any of the TUPs I've seen on any of the islands that I've been on.

[2:58:00] Trustee Rogers: Now, that doesn't mean there haven't been them.

[2:58:02] Trustee Rogers: That just means I haven't seen this kind of response.

[2:58:04] Trustee Rogers: And I'm very mindful of the fact, I think this did hit all the guidelines, this particular application hit all the guidelines.

[2:58:12] Trustee Rogers: I think all the guidelines are satisfied, but the guidelines are different.

[2:58:15] Trustee Rogers: They're just guidelines, right?

[2:58:17] Trustee Rogers: they say we may take into account but what so the piece that continues to stick out for me is

[2:58:23] Trustee Rogers: is objective of the temporary use permits and objective two which is to ensure that the

[2:58:29] Trustee Rogers: integrity of an existing neighborhood would not be adversely disrupted could an application for

[2:58:34] Trustee Rogers: a temporary commercial or industrial use permit be approved i'm having trouble getting my head

[2:58:39] Trustee Rogers: around it when we're hearing so many people that are saying you know what this will adversely

[2:58:44] Trustee Rogers: affect this community um and and this neighborhood and uh for a variety of reasons and and this is a

[2:58:54] Trustee Rogers: particularly unique neighborhood in my view um when you look at it it's sort of separated from

[2:59:01] Trustee Rogers: the rest of the island by that little stretch of land that you live on and uh i remember walking

[2:59:06] Trustee Rogers: around and i never really looked at it from the map but it's quite unique in the sense anyway

[2:59:10] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, I was sort of thinking that would allow us to,

[2:59:14] Trustee Rogers: that that would provide me some foundation for saying,

[2:59:17] Trustee Rogers: you know, given this, deny it.

[2:59:19] Trustee Rogers: And I don't know why, I'm still trying to get my head around

[2:59:22] Trustee Rogers: why we would defer rather than deny

[2:59:24] Trustee Rogers: and then address your issue about future applications

[2:59:27] Trustee Rogers: in a different way.

[2:59:30] Trustee Rogers: That's my thinking, but I'm hoping to be persuaded.

[2:59:35] Voice 23: Yeah,

[2:59:35] Trustee Rogers: go ahead.

[2:59:37] Voice 23: I was going to say, I'm sort of a similar view

[2:59:39] Voice 23: with Trustee Rogers on that.

[2:59:43] Voice 23: this is a very except it is a very discreet uh community small generally small half acre lots

[2:59:51] Voice 23: geographically very divine and as you mentioned if there's a

[2:59:54] Voice 23: a tup on a five acre subdivision it's a much different sense

[3:00:00] Voice 23: a community there and this is a long-term residents who have a lot a strong connection

[3:00:05] Voice 23: i think among themselves which is why i think we got such a response because they are they

[3:00:11] Voice 23: are in communications right now so it is it is them speaking as a community to a large

[3:00:15] Voice 23: and the majority anyway but okay

[3:00:18] Trustee Colbourne: so i feel like we've moved off my motion which is attaching this

[3:00:21] Trustee Colbourne: to the larger issues into the into the rationale so maybe

[3:00:24] Trustee Rogers: we should call it why i know i don't

[3:00:26] Trustee Rogers: understand your the rationale for your motion that's what i'm saying um and so i i don't know

[3:00:33] Trustee Rogers: why we would defer it as opposed to deny it and but but i and that was why i asked my question

[3:00:39] Trustee Rogers: in the beginning and you thought it you thought it'd be fair to the applicant to defer i'm going

[3:00:43] Trustee Rogers: to suggest to you that deferring is going to be the equivalent of denial because it's going to be

[3:00:49] Trustee Rogers: years before well i i don't i don't want to overstate it but it's going to be some time

[3:00:53] Trustee Rogers: before we we resolve the issue of the short-term vacation rentals i mean it's going to be that's

[3:00:59] Trustee Rogers: kind of that

[3:01:00] Trustee Colbourne: is the attempt i'm trying to make here is that um i'm not comfortable within those

[3:01:06] Trustee Colbourne: larger issues um with the process that we have so that's that's what i was trying to get at with

[3:01:15] Trustee Colbourne: this i i understand what both of you are saying um and i do feel like we've moved into a discussion

[3:01:20] Trustee Colbourne: Mayor Mrakas, I so maybe we call the question on on this one and move into that into that next part, I want to get this on the table in advance for exactly reasons

[3:01:30] Voice 19: i've stated okay

[3:01:36] Trustee Rogers: trustee longer is, do you have any further comments related to the motion that's on the table.

[3:01:40] Voice 23: Mayor Mrakas, I know I don't know that's fine okay.

[3:01:44] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, And then, if there's nobody else has any further comments related to that motion and and I just want to be clear that I think we're a lot of us, we're not going to be able to get to that motion, but we're going to be able to get to it.

[3:01:54] Trustee Rogers: all three of us are saying many of the same things we're just trying to figure out what the best

[3:01:58] Trustee Rogers: process is to get where we want to get to so if this boat looks like it's it's divided i don't

[3:02:03] Trustee Rogers: think it really is as divided as it makes sense no no

[3:02:06] Trustee Colbourne: and the other point i want to make just

[3:02:08] Trustee Colbourne: quickly sorry is that it does send us it gives some clarity to other applicants that this is a

[3:02:12] Trustee Colbourne: high bar and that this is you know if you have other options you know that this may be the time

[3:02:18] Trustee Colbourne: to exercise them so it is a it is a it is a connection of individual applications to larger

[3:02:23] Trustee Colbourne: um community work but it does to me it rejecting an individual application that comes down to some

[3:02:31] Trustee Colbourne: of the individual components of where the neighborhood is located and other things

[3:02:33] Trustee Colbourne: this to me is tying it to the shared endeavor of changing some of these up the um current

[3:02:39] Trustee Colbourne: processes given the the crisis the ecological crisis in the housing crisis so

[3:02:43] Trustee Colbourne: Mayor Mrakas, Okay,

[3:02:46] Trustee Rogers: I think we've had the discussion unless somebody else for i'm going to call the vote all in favor and that's one and all opposed.

[3:02:56] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, And I think trustee langaris and I are opposed to the deferral concept, although I want to reiterate what I said earlier earlier trustee long garris do you want to make a motion related to the actual application relate a as opposed to sort of a more conceptual application.

[3:03:25] Voice 19: I can't hear you, Casey, you're speaking.

[3:03:29] Voice 23: Okay, I moved at the local trust committee.

[3:03:33] Voice 23: Hold on a second.

[3:03:36] Voice 23: I'm losing all my documents.

[3:03:46] Voice 23: Okay, I moved at the local trust committee,

[3:03:49] Voice 23: deny application GBTUP 2021.1,

[3:03:54] Voice 23: brackets Plotnikoff and Penner,

[3:03:56] Voice 23: dash 376, Tinson Road,

[3:03:58] Voice 23: for the reasons based on the feedback

[3:04:01] Voice 23: from the local community

[3:04:02] Voice 23: on the impacts on the integrity

[3:04:04] Voice 23: of their neighborhood okay

[3:04:09] Trustee Rogers: so that's a there's some extra language in there um so we'll have

[3:04:13] Trustee Rogers: to make sure that the recorder has that extra language you don't want to just make those

[3:04:19] Trustee Rogers: reasons yourself you want those contained in the motion uh

[3:04:23] Voice 23: well do we not put forward reasons for

[3:04:25] Voice 23: denial yeah but

[3:04:26] Voice 23: you know just

[3:04:27] Trustee Rogers: what you usually do is you give reasons as part of i mean you can put

[3:04:31] Trustee Rogers: them in the motion that's fine um i mean i'm gonna get if i vote in favor i'm going to make my

[3:04:37] Trustee Rogers: reasons known but sure we can

[3:04:39] Trustee Rogers: put places so no no that's fine so let's make sure nadine's got it

[3:04:44] Voice 25: uh the ltc deny application of the issuance of a temporary use permit gbtup 2021.1 for the reasons

[3:04:55] Voice 25: based on feedback from the local community

[3:04:57] Voice 25: on impacts on their community?

[3:05:02] Voice 23: Neighborhood.

[3:05:03] Voice 25: Neighborhood, thank you.

[3:05:07] Trustee Rogers: That's the motion.

[3:05:08] Trustee Rogers: Is there a seconder for that motion?

[3:05:12] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I'll second for discussion.

[3:05:14] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so let's have this discussion.

[3:05:18] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langeris, you made the motion.

[3:05:20] Trustee Rogers: Do you wish to speak to it?

[3:05:21] Voice 23: Yeah, just, I mean, there's a large majority.

[3:05:24] Voice 23: this is a small neighborhood of about 80 properties.

[3:05:29] Voice 23: They have spoken fairly consistently

[3:05:32] Voice 23: about the concerns around the impact on the roads,

[3:05:35] Voice 23: the impact on having an absentee landlord,

[3:05:40] Voice 23: their experience in the past

[3:05:41] Voice 23: with previous short-term vacation rentals.

[3:05:46] Voice 23: They have some concerns about the,

[3:05:49] Voice 23: it's a small lot community.

[3:05:51] Voice 23: community. So there's not been a concern about the applicants themselves. It's more about

[3:05:59] Voice 23: the concern about who would actually come. And you can never guarantee who you will rent

[3:06:05] Voice 23: to. You can ask questions, but you never necessarily know who they are. And there's a difference

[3:06:10] Voice 23: between a short-term vacation rental and a B&B. The key ones being, one is the number

[3:06:17] Voice 23: number of people it's a you're and there's a resident property owner you're actually inviting

[3:06:24] Voice 23: people into your home so the monitoring effect of a B&B is much greater than a short-term vacation

[3:06:29] Voice 23: rental and I think that's been expressed by the neighbors as well about you know you have an

[3:06:35] Voice 23: manager living elsewhere on the island when issues arise at whatever time of night or day

[3:06:40] Voice 23: they how does that get dealt with we have no capacity to cancel temporary use permit as i

[3:06:47] Voice 23: understand it that once we've issued it we may have some bylaw enforcement actions but i'm not

[3:06:53] Voice 23: sure how effective that is would be on that so so for a lot of the reasons that have been expressed

[3:06:59] Voice 23: i'm i'm not in support of the top just people but

[3:07:05] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:07:07] Trustee Colbourne: i don't disagree um i think the nature of the

[3:07:10] Trustee Colbourne: the of the neighborhood and and i do make a real distinction between a permitted use of a bed and

[3:07:16] Trustee Colbourne: breakfast where you have you know sort of on-site guides or or you know to water conservation to the

[3:07:22] Trustee Colbourne: to the island and and also sort of that uh the chaperone piece for for guests as a inflatable

[3:07:28] Trustee Colbourne: unicorn peers into view uh um and i don't mean to lay light of it this is a difficult um decision

[3:07:36] Trustee Colbourne: decision because of the nature of all the other things going on my only issue is putting the

[3:07:41] Trustee Colbourne: reasons um for denying this in in the body of the motion itself um because i think it's i think

[3:07:49] Trustee Colbourne: it's broader than that obviously there's a ocp impact on the community but to me there's there's

[3:07:55] Trustee Colbourne: other components involved in this so you know i personally would just have a motion that denies

[3:08:01] Trustee Colbourne: the application and then in this discussion we provide the rationale to me it's the ocp regarding

[3:08:06] Trustee Colbourne: a community impact the nature of the way this was subdivided is problematic it's you've got

[3:08:11] Trustee Colbourne: small very small close together um lots with a with a minimal amount of water what's exciting

[3:08:18] Trustee Colbourne: to me about this application i want to congratulate the uh the owner and builder is is being able to

[3:08:23] Trustee Colbourne: make decisions where rainwater catchment is part of of the discussion i think that's obviously

[3:08:28] Trustee Colbourne: something we need to move toward and that's really why um we asked for more information

[3:08:33] Trustee Colbourne: the last meeting but um because of the ocp and the impact on the community i'm not in favor of

[3:08:39] Trustee Colbourne: this i would ask that we change the wording of the motion to simply deny it and then to um have

[3:08:44] Trustee Colbourne: this discussion and be the rationale i

[3:08:46] Trustee Rogers: am i ask yeah i see planner cox with his hand up i i and

[3:08:50] Trustee Rogers: that's a good question because frankly it doesn't you know you often you don't see a lot of denials

[3:08:56] Trustee Rogers: and then there's always language that says insert the reasons here and i and so planner cox over to

[3:09:01] Trustee Rogers: you yeah

[3:09:03] Voice 5: thank you i think i think staff would um recommend that that some that some reasons

[3:09:10] Voice 5: are included in

[3:09:12] Voice 7: the motion itself

[3:09:13] Voice 5: i think so and perhaps um i mean it's it's totally understood

[3:09:18] Voice 5: what what the trustee is um saying about broader broader topics i think in this case i can put

[3:09:24] Voice 5: put this up on the screen if you want to perhaps tie the motion to the objective of the tup and the

[3:09:30] Voice 5: ocp right as i believe cherry you were mentioning yeah

[3:09:35] Trustee Rogers: so maybe we could um can

[3:09:37] Voice 5: i share my screen

[3:09:37] Voice 5: yes

[3:09:38] Trustee Rogers: uh that's i have no control over that but i'm guessing yeah bill can just

[3:09:43] Voice 5: would you like

[3:09:43] Voice 5: me to share my screen yes please okay okay yeah okay can you see that uh

[3:09:49] Trustee Rogers: i see a i see

[3:09:53] Trustee Rogers: I see the guidelines.

[3:09:56] Voice 5: Right.

[3:09:57] Voice 5: So there is this cumulative effect,

[3:10:03] Voice 5: neighborhood effects, guideline one.

[3:10:05] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, but that's a tougher one.

[3:10:07] Trustee Rogers: I'm

[3:10:07] Voice 5: not sure the guidelines are the issue.

[3:10:10] Trustee Rogers: I think the objective is the issue.

[3:10:11] Voice 5: Okay, so which number is that?

[3:10:14] Voice 5: It's at the beginning.

[3:10:15] Voice 5: It's at the beginning of

[3:10:17] Trustee Rogers: the temporary use.

[3:10:18] Trustee Rogers: Up at the very beginning of the, there.

[3:10:20] Trustee Rogers: there there it's see it's temporary use objective number two that's the one that a couple of writers

[3:10:31] Trustee Rogers: have and that's the one that i a little higher oh

[3:10:35] Voice 5: sorry i'm just looking at right here we go

[3:10:40] Trustee Rogers: but what i think we need to do now if we're going to consider amending the motion we need to put the

[3:10:44] Trustee Rogers: motion up and then work on it so if we could find a way to get it up on the screen um we should be

[3:10:51] Trustee Rogers: be able to do that all the time actually but just yeah feedback um is it possible will to

[3:11:00] Trustee Rogers: i don't know how to do it you can't share your scheme with screen with nadine can you

[3:11:07] Voice 12: unfortunately no i think it's because nadine's other um um i think she's on an ipad or something

[3:11:16] Voice 12: that's not compatible with screen sharing and that's why she's not able to but if it's something

[3:11:21] Voice 12: something that we're you know cutting and pasting from something else or if Nadine emails it to me

[3:11:27] Voice 12: I can I can certainly um share whatever she emails well

[3:11:34] Trustee Rogers: let's we need to get it up if we're going to

[3:11:36] Trustee Rogers: amend it so let's let's just take a moment and find it I

[3:11:55] Voice 25: just sent it to you Will yeah I apologize

[3:12:25] Voice 5: I would have had this but I don't actually have that that motion as part of the you know I would

[3:12:31] Voice 5: have gone and found it but sorry about that well thank

[3:12:34] Voice 19: you though um can

[3:12:46] Voice 12: you see that i can

[3:12:49] Trustee Rogers: it says for reasons based on feedback from local community and the impact of neighborhoods

[3:12:54] Trustee Rogers: uh and and maybe could we uh could we um and what what are we thinking is that adding words of and

[3:13:06] Trustee Rogers: And that it's considered in conflict with the objectives of TUPs under the OCP, something

[3:13:16] Trustee Rogers: like that, of TUPs under the OCP, in the OP or under the OCP, something like that.

[3:13:26] Trustee Rogers: Would you consider that an amendment to your motion, Trustee Langer?

[3:13:30] Trustee Rogers: I

[3:13:44] Voice 6: can't hear you, Casey.

[3:13:45] Voice 23: Oh, we can take out for the reasons based on the feedback and just recite the part of

[3:13:51] Voice 23: the ocp that's really where it flows from okay

[3:13:56] Trustee Rogers: so what if we just went for the reason that it's

[3:13:58] Trustee Rogers: considered in conflict with the objectives tup under the of tup's under the ocp yeah

[3:14:04] Voice 24: okay you

[3:14:07] Trustee Rogers: okay with

[3:14:07] Trustee Colbourne: that trustee colburn yeah it's uh for the reason for the reason that it is considered

[3:14:14] Trustee Rogers: yeah just yeah dramatically it could be cleaned up let's have a writer come in here and do this yeah

[3:14:20] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, no ask on reasons, Will.

[3:14:25] Trustee Rogers: It's just a reason.

[3:14:27] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'll consider that an amendment

[3:14:30] Trustee Rogers: without going through the motions of moving to amend

[3:14:34] Trustee Rogers: if the trustees are acceptable.

[3:14:36] Trustee Rogers: That's a motion that was made by Trustee Langeras.

[3:14:40] Trustee Rogers: And that was seconded for discussion.

[3:14:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay, any other further discussion

[3:14:45] Trustee Rogers: related to this particular motion?

[3:14:47] Trustee Colbourne: I'm more comfortable with this

[3:14:49] Trustee Colbourne: because it it goes to the specifics of the um of the tup and the objective so it's correct to me

[3:14:56] Trustee Colbourne: okay yeah

[3:14:57] Trustee Rogers: okay so that's been moved in second is there any further discussion before uh you know

[3:15:01] Trustee Rogers: why i'm just gonna say that that's exactly the reason why i was considering and i want to thank

[3:15:06] Trustee Rogers: the i want to just say one thing is uh there was a comment from um in one of the letters we

[3:15:12] Trustee Rogers: received is well this is the reason why people don't apply and and frankly um you know that may

[3:15:19] Trustee Rogers: be true uh the the feedback the pushback from the community but it always needs to be remembered

[3:15:25] Trustee Rogers: that that of course these particular there's been an official community plan process to designate

[3:15:31] Trustee Rogers: that the neighborhoods to have certain activities that are allowed and certain that aren't that goes

[3:15:36] Trustee Rogers: goes through a lengthy community process.

[3:15:39] Trustee Rogers: And temporary use permits and variations, et cetera,

[3:15:43] Trustee Rogers: are exceptions to those agreements

[3:15:46] Trustee Rogers: that the community has come through.

[3:15:48] Trustee Rogers: And so in deciding whether an exception is to be granted,

[3:15:53] Trustee Rogers: we have to listen to the community

[3:15:55] Trustee Rogers: as well as the applicant and all the rest of those things.

[3:15:59] Trustee Rogers: And often we agree to grant the exception,

[3:16:01] Trustee Rogers: but sometimes we don't.

[3:16:04] Trustee Rogers: and that doesn't mean that the they you know the application wasn't well founded

[3:16:09] Trustee Rogers: but it doesn't mean there should be an assumption that if you apply and you meet

[3:16:13] Trustee Rogers: all of what you think are the criteria that it'll be granted because that discretion still

[3:16:19] Trustee Rogers: rests with us and we have a number of things we're taking into place so I'm going to support this

[3:16:22] Trustee Rogers: so anything further from trustees if not I'll call the vote all in favor so that passes I'm sorry

[3:16:32] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, Ms. McClutnikoff, your application has been denied.

[3:16:37] Trustee Rogers: I expect you may have seen that coming.

[3:16:40] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for joining us.

[3:16:43] Trustee Rogers: I can't hear you, but that's okay.

[3:16:45] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for joining us,

[3:16:46] Trustee Rogers: and we appreciate

[3:16:47] Voice 19: the quality of your application.

[3:17:00] Trustee Rogers: I can't hear Ms. McClutnikoff any further,

[3:17:03] Trustee Rogers: so we can move her out of the panelist section.

[3:17:08] Trustee Rogers: And I encourage you, Trustee Colburn,

[3:17:10] Trustee Rogers: that we can work on a motion

[3:17:11] Trustee Rogers: that achieves what you want to achieve when we get to perhaps the housing options but we need to

[3:17:16] Trustee Rogers: move on and it's um and the next application the next item on the agenda is silva bay um

[3:17:27] Trustee Rogers: and uh we're page 74 i don't know if ms podcop is frozen or she's still on my screen uh and but her

[3:17:36] Trustee Rogers: her eyes don't seem to be moving anymore so i'm guessing she's frozen so

[3:17:40] Trustee Rogers: So are you having trouble getting her off our screen, Will?

[3:17:44] Voice 12: Yeah, I've actually moved her over twice and it's just not moving.

[3:17:48] Voice 12: So I think it's a Zoom update issue, something like that.

[3:17:54] Voice 12: I don't think she can, if she's frozen in the picture,

[3:17:58] Voice 12: I think she's probably disappeared in real life, but I'll try one more time.

[3:18:04] Trustee Rogers: She's still

[3:18:04] Trustee Rogers: showing on my screen, although Trustee Colburn has disappeared off my screen,

[3:18:09] Trustee Rogers: but he may have just taken a brief break and we'll move on to uh dp 2020.2 again this is uh planner

[3:18:18] Trustee Rogers: cox stop report um and this oh i have to go back to this application uh we are now at page uh 74

[3:18:29] Trustee Rogers: of the package for those of you who are following the package um do you know is oh trustee colburn

[3:18:38] Trustee Rogers: and just turned his camera off that's fine um hopefully he's still with us there he is okay

[3:18:47] Trustee Rogers: you that's fine as long as i know you're there okay go ahead uh planner cop okay

[3:18:51] Voice 5: thank you chair

[3:18:52] Voice 5: um so the app the um consultant for the owner applicant is here okay

[3:18:57] Trustee Rogers: i was gonna ask about that

[3:18:58] Trustee Rogers: who is that

[3:18:59] Voice 5: that is laura white in your attendees list

[3:19:02] Trustee Rogers: okay so there she is so if we could promote

[3:19:07] Trustee Rogers: out laura white please that's someone different than what's here last month it

[3:19:15] Voice 5: is um her associate

[3:19:17] Voice 5: um yari was here last time in their stead and she's now back okay

[3:19:24] Trustee Rogers: thank you welcome ms white

[3:19:25] Trustee Rogers: uh we will um get our staff report and have questions for the planner and then we'll turn

[3:19:32] Trustee Rogers: to you if you want do you mind turning your camera your microphone off for a moment sure so

[3:19:37] Trustee Rogers: So if there's any background noise and we'll come to you in a moment, thank you over to you find a problem.

[3:19:43] Voice 5: Okay, thank you chair, so this is the second staff report that brings forward more information that was requested by the LTC at the last meeting on the piling replacement specifically in the water usage for the demolition works.

[3:20:02] Voice 5: That which this dp would authorize.

[3:20:04] Voice 5: so it's it's there in in the agenda package in your report and there is a bit of new information

[3:20:10] Voice 5: the consultant Hemera has notified staff that they've also recommended that the applicant use

[3:20:17] Voice 5: steel pilings exclusively and that is you know in addition to staff's the addition of the condition

[3:20:26] Voice 5: of the DP that were that would also require steel piles staff is recommending that in the amended

[3:20:35] Voice 5: If it's the decision of the LTC to issue this permit, it would need to be amended because the applicant has, since the report was written, just for a number of timing reasons, has requested that a small electrical shed that is slightly over the natural boundary

[3:20:56] Voice 5: also be included in this DP and that's required.

[3:20:59] Voice 5: There are no exceptions for the requirement

[3:21:03] Voice 5: to obtain the DP below the natural boundary.

[3:21:06] Voice 5: So this little shed, I can show you a photograph

[3:21:08] Voice 5: in a moment or a plan in a moment,

[3:21:11] Voice 5: but it does extend slightly past the natural boundary.

[3:21:14] Voice 5: And for that reason, it needs to be included.

[3:21:17] Voice 5: So staff has, we've drafted some amendments to the DP

[3:21:21] Voice 5: which includes a schedule as well.

[3:21:25] Voice 5: Well, I think what I should do is show that now

[3:21:32] Voice 5: so that you can see that.

[3:21:35] Voice 5: And just let me know if that is on screen at this stage.

[3:21:40] Voice 5: Do you see a plan?

[3:21:45] Voice 5: Yes.

[3:21:46] Voice 5: Okay.

[3:21:49] Trustee Rogers: And it keeps switching.

[3:21:52] Trustee Rogers: Pardon me.

[3:21:53] Trustee Rogers: That's okay.

[3:21:54] Trustee Rogers: So where is the natural boundary of the sea in that drawing?

[3:21:57] Trustee Rogers: drawing is that run right through the middle diagonally across the shed so

[3:22:01] Voice 5: this uh if you

[3:22:03] Voice 5: can see this cursor the outermost dotted line that looks like a property line is the natural

[3:22:08] Voice 5: boundary here the shed is in the black circle what's it sitting

[3:22:13] Voice 5: on it's sitting on it's sitting

[3:22:16] Voice 5: on a um a piece of the wharf actually i just what i believe um and the applicant could probably

[3:22:23] Voice 5: perhaps answer that the consultant but it is sitting on part of a little wharf i

[3:22:27] Trustee Rogers: see but it

[3:22:28] Trustee Rogers: actually but it's sitting on the wharf but it extends out into the yeah

[3:22:31] Voice 5: that's right it's on

[3:22:33] Voice 5: top of some footings but it's it extends just there yeah okay thank

[3:22:40] Trustee Rogers: you um do you have anything

[3:22:43] Trustee Rogers: else before i ask trustee these when they have questions no

[3:22:47] Voice 5: i'm i can be finished thanks uh

[3:22:51] Trustee Rogers: trustee colburn your questions about water and something else last month do you have other

[3:22:55] Trustee Rogers: questions yeah

[3:22:56] Trustee Colbourne: it would be a like like for like replacement so just just to clarify it was

[3:23:01] Trustee Colbourne: something in the order of 121 steel pilings and then they're going to be six creosote pilings is

[3:23:06] Trustee Colbourne: now is the recommendation all steel pilings or is there still going to be the replacement of

[3:23:13] Trustee Colbourne: creosote with creosote so

[3:23:15] Voice 5: for what's being put forward in the application through the chair

[3:23:17] Voice 5: it's all the recommendation is all steel from staff and actually from the consultants for the

[3:23:23] Voice 5: applicant as well no thank

[3:23:24] Trustee Colbourne: you and then which

[3:23:26] Voice 5: is not so which is actually not something that's

[3:23:27] Voice 5: required by dfo um which staff was quite surprised to learn in um in researching this info to bring

[3:23:34] Voice 5: back to the ltc um and um there's a number of other pieces of information but anyway suffice to

[3:23:40] Voice 5: say that's yes that's a recommendation of staff and of the consultant to their client okay

[3:23:47] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, excellent. Water, it simply states, I believe, and maybe we can get clarification, that the contract provider is going to provide their water. It doesn't indicate a source of that.

[3:24:00] Trustee Colbourne: that. So again, I'm very concerned with the water sustainability related. I understand that this

[3:24:10] Trustee Colbourne: relates to activities on a separate part of the property, but I want some clarification in terms

[3:24:15] Trustee Colbourne: of if you're leaving up the contact provider, where is that water going to come from? Is that

[3:24:20] Trustee Colbourne: part of the plan at this point?

[3:24:25] Voice 5: So is that a question for staff and partly for the applicant?

[3:24:30] Voice 5: or both

[3:24:31] Trustee Colbourne: both if you can't answer because i didn't see um a response in terms of it was just you know

[3:24:37] Trustee Colbourne: someone will bring water it it doesn't really say from from where right

[3:24:42] Voice 5: so the contractor is to

[3:24:43] Voice 5: provide water and there has been no clarification whether that's from a tanker truck which is

[3:24:47] Voice 5: usual for other construction projects or yeah but that hasn't been clarified explicitly okay uh

[3:24:58] Trustee Rogers: Before we get to you, Ms. White, about that question, actually, why don't we turn to you?

[3:25:03] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure your role in all this, but if you'd like to introduce yourself and if you can answer that question, that would be great.

[3:25:10] Voice 22: Thanks. I was itching to try and touch the button.

[3:25:12] Voice 22: Good afternoon. I'm Laura White. I'm an environmental consultant with Hemera.

[3:25:16] Voice 22: I've been working with Silver Bay on the marine portion of their project since inception.

[3:25:20] Voice 22: To answer the question directly, the elected contractor will bring to site tanked water.

[3:25:29] Voice 22: This hasn't been confirmed, but the understanding at this point is it will be barged because the works for the marine portion will be barged based from the marine environment.

[3:25:37] Voice 22: We've done this on lots of other projects. The Nanaimo waterfront walkway is an example where they bring the water in to run the equipment in the marine environment.

[3:25:46] Voice 22: and so the fresh water would be coming from off Gabriola,

[3:25:50] Voice 22: wouldn't be using a local source.

[3:25:57] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, thank you for that.

[3:26:00] Trustee Colbourne: This is a question maybe for the planner

[3:26:03] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of reasons for approval or denial at this point.

[3:26:12] Trustee Colbourne: Are the water issues

[3:26:17] Trustee Colbourne: related to the other portions of the property

[3:26:20] Trustee Colbourne: um part of this decision making process does that make sense whether whether or not that can be

[3:26:27] Trustee Colbourne: you know do we can we ask that those water um issues be clarified or or um finalized

[3:26:41] Trustee Colbourne: before work such as this is which is part of a project um um whether or not we can we can

[3:26:49] Trustee Colbourne: use that as a rationale through the denying or approving this particular portion of that project

[3:26:56] Voice 5: so through the chair my understanding and the senior planner um and perhaps planning manager

[3:27:02] Voice 5: can confirm this if they find it to be inaccurate is that um dps are development permits distinct

[3:27:10] Voice 5: from development variances or temporary use for which you just considered are not

[3:27:16] Voice 5: discretionary in the same way and um if pltc fine if the local government finds that the guidelines

[3:27:23] Voice 5: for the dp area have been met then they're somewhat bound to issue that permit unless

[3:27:29] Voice 5: a specific reason is given why the application does not meet those guidelines so distinct from

[3:27:36] Voice 5: just to use an example the temporary use from which is just considered so in that way in this

[3:27:43] Voice 5: situation um i would say no um not specifically um especially if if if that reason like was included

[3:27:53] Voice 5: in the resolution but you know the ltc does have the option to defer of course um this is the

[3:28:00] Voice 5: second time it's been on an agenda package and so there's a question there and that that might

[3:28:05] Voice 5: be something for the senior planner to answer further or or the rpm depending you know just

[3:28:09] Voice 5: on process um does that yeah

[3:28:13] Trustee Colbourne: i would like that i would like that question answered in terms of

[3:28:17] Trustee Colbourne: deferral because there are outstanding questions with water that are litigious in nature um so

[3:28:23] Trustee Colbourne: whether or not we can defer this until those have been clarified is is a process question

[3:28:29] Trustee Colbourne: so staff absolutely

[3:28:30] Voice 5: recognizes that there are those issues um but of course the development

[3:28:35] Voice 5: development can't, I mean, the LTC through this development permit is not authorizing the whole

[3:28:41] Voice 5: development as a whole, right? It's these demolition works. And so, you know, presumably

[3:28:45] Voice 5: the development couldn't proceed further until this upland water piece is resolved at any rate.

[3:28:52] Voice 5: But can

[3:28:54] Trustee Rogers: I, can I, can I help a little bit? And I'm sorry to intervene because this is,

[3:28:57] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure Sonia has far more expertise in this than I do. But I, it's interesting you ask that

[3:29:04] Trustee Rogers: question um i there's a secondary question that you're what you're asking trusted fulbright is

[3:29:10] Trustee Rogers: whether you can utilize another issue of controversy related to a property to deny

[3:29:14] Trustee Rogers: an application related and i i've asked that question myself myself a number of times is

[3:29:19] Trustee Rogers: if there's litigation regarding setbacks can you somehow deny a building permit or something like

[3:29:25] Trustee Rogers: that and i've always been told no but i i asked director marler almost that exact question what's

[3:29:32] Trustee Rogers: the discretion around development permits and he actually sent me an email this afternoon

[3:29:36] Trustee Rogers: uh interesting or late this morning i'm going to just read to what he said he said the ltc is

[3:29:41] Trustee Rogers: limited by the development permit guidelines in relation to a development permit a development

[3:29:47] Trustee Rogers: permit area some guidelines require a professional report that may lack any detail about methodology

[3:29:53] Trustee Rogers: or qualifications within reason the ltc could disagree with the landowner on those points

[3:30:00] Trustee Rogers: i.e. the professional report and refuse to accept the report specifying specifically what the

[3:30:05] Trustee Rogers: applicant would need to do to bring the report to a level that would be acceptable. Sometimes staff

[3:30:10] Trustee Rogers: will receive a report that staff do not think is appropriate. However, if the applicant insists we

[3:30:15] Trustee Rogers: must present that to the LTC as part of the application, those staff would likely highlight

[3:30:21] Trustee Rogers: the deficiencies and recommend they not accept it and require X in its place. Either of these

[3:30:27] Trustee Rogers: could lead to the applicant disagreeing.

[3:30:30] Trustee Rogers: That's why you often have development approval information

[3:30:33] Trustee Rogers: bylaws to avoid this situation,

[3:30:35] Trustee Rogers: which lays out methodology, et cetera.

[3:30:38] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, so the answer is, you know, development,

[3:30:41] Trustee Rogers: as Planner Cox said, as I understand it,

[3:30:44] Trustee Rogers: is, you know, you have the development permit guidelines.

[3:30:47] Trustee Rogers: And if the applicant meets the guidelines,

[3:30:50] Trustee Rogers: then the development permit is supposed to issue.

[3:30:53] Trustee Rogers: But I'll turn it over to Planner Zupanich

[3:30:55] Trustee Rogers: who may want to clarify that in more more authority no

[3:31:02] Planner Zupanec: not much more to add there just to

[3:31:04] Planner Zupanec: be really clear the for example if you're wanting to defer because you're hoping to see a copy of a

[3:31:12] Planner Zupanec: water license for example um prior to consideration of this file for provision of water not just to

[3:31:20] Planner Zupanec: the marine portion but to the upland portion or one or the other that wouldn't be something that

[3:31:26] Planner Zupanec: we could recommend that you can do because that's not part of this particular development permit

[3:31:32] Planner Zupanec: guideline so in this case there's there isn't much you can defer for unless you're not satisfied with

[3:31:40] Planner Zupanec: the information that's trying to support concurrence with the guidelines themselves

[3:31:48] Trustee Colbourne: thank you that that matches my understanding as well the question was raised publicly and

[3:31:52] Trustee Colbourne: and by nearby residents as well so i wanted to make sure that we we had this discussion

[3:31:57] Trustee Colbourne: but that does match with what I've learned as well.

[3:32:00] Trustee Colbourne: I do have some concerns with that,

[3:32:02] Trustee Colbourne: but that's a larger fish.

[3:32:06] Voice 23: Yeah, it really gets down to what is in the DPA

[3:32:11] Voice 23: and the development approval information bylaws

[3:32:14] Voice 23: and they work together.

[3:32:15] Voice 23: And we need to really look carefully

[3:32:18] Voice 23: at what we actually put into them when we develop them.

[3:32:23] Voice 23: Right.

[3:32:23] Voice 23: I have one question around the pilot.

[3:32:26] Voice 23: go

[3:32:26] Voice 7: ahead yeah the

[3:32:27] Voice 23: pilot the new section 3.3 which says will not include creosoted law uh creosoted

[3:32:34] Voice 23: peers but now they're saying it's going to be steel only should we be amending that to say it

[3:32:39] Voice 23: should only be steel because an alternative could be some other chemically treated uh log

[3:32:50] Voice 23: thank you i was going to raise that same point yeah i just wondered about that that's absolutely

[3:33:00] Voice 5: absolutely yep that's an option absolutely um if the lcc if you want me to bring up the amended

[3:33:08] Voice 5: permit because there is the issue with the shed as well and the addition of a schedule to the

[3:33:14] Voice 5: permit as well as that language you're talking about i'll just do that now okay

[3:33:20] Trustee Rogers: and are there

[3:33:21] Trustee Rogers: any other questions before i turn uh before we do that for um ms white do you wish to say anything

[3:33:27] Trustee Rogers: Anything else, or do you just we're here to respond to questions,

[3:33:32] Voice 22: just just add that if

[3:33:34] Voice 22: there's any other questions that you have for me I'm here, and thank you all for your

[3:33:38] Voice 22: time today.

[3:33:38] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:33:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay, then we're going to unless the trustees have any questions for their representative

[3:33:47] Trustee Rogers: America will go to the actual permit language itself.

[3:33:54] Trustee Rogers: So we're talking about, as I understand it just keep us moving forward we're talking

[3:33:58] Trustee Rogers: about two things one is whether there needs to be further amendments to 3.3 and uh to read that um

[3:34:07] Trustee Rogers: it should shall not be used as replacement pilings but rather um steel or the equivalent piling uh

[3:34:15] Trustee Rogers: shall be used for something like that is that what we're talking about i mean i think it's

[3:34:20] Trustee Rogers: good idea to have a provision that says you can't use creosite timber um well

[3:34:26] Voice 5: that was actually

[3:34:27] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, Sorry, so chair, that was one of the things that we'd actually discussed I discussed staff and discussed it with the with the consultant that you know it would be, it would be great if if.

[3:34:40] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, You know, per the objectives of the flat tops dpa area if that was included that was probably not considered at that time, but that would be nice if that was in the bylaw.

[3:34:51] Voice 5: well

[3:34:51] Trustee Rogers: i'm fine with with a suggestion from trustee langier is to add the fact that they'll use steel

[3:34:56] Trustee Rogers: instead but i would be great if it says that creosote pilings will not be used um because

[3:35:02] Trustee Rogers: then we have a public statement that says that that's not a very good that's not a an appropriate

[3:35:07] Trustee Rogers: thing to put into the ocean so

[3:35:09] Trustee Colbourne: perhaps it could start 3.3 could be that creosote pilings not be

[3:35:13] Trustee Colbourne: be used, and instead steel be used as a replacement

[3:35:19] Trustee Colbourne: for the store's deck and wharfhead reconstruction.

[3:35:22] Trustee Rogers: Right, who's amending this as we go?

[3:35:27] Voice 5: Me,

[3:35:28] Trustee Rogers: I'm the only

[3:35:28] Voice 5: one with the amended

[3:35:29] Voice 5: because this was late in the game,

[3:35:32] Voice 5: so I'm the only one with it.

[3:35:33] Voice 5: Okay, I

[3:35:34] Trustee Rogers: just didn't know who was doing it

[3:35:35] Trustee Rogers: and I wasn't sure who was operating it.

[3:35:38] Voice 5: Right, right.

[3:35:39] Trustee Rogers: This is version control.

[3:35:40] Voice 5: Would somebody like to dictate that again?

[3:35:43] Voice 5: Again, so creosote pilings should not be used as

[3:35:46] Trustee Rogers: a replacement pilings.

[3:35:50] Voice 5: As replacement pilings?

[3:35:53] Trustee Rogers: But rather, the applicant should be limited to steel.

[3:36:01] Trustee Rogers: Steel or equivalent.

[3:36:03] Trustee Rogers: Or equivalent for the Storrs deck and wharfhead reconstruction.

[3:36:07] Voice 5: So I would say I hesitate to put should be limited to.

[3:36:10] Voice 5: It should be more prescriptive.

[3:36:12] Trustee Rogers: No, shall.

[3:36:12] Trustee Rogers: shall

[3:36:13] Voice 5: be limited

[3:36:15] Voice 5: to

[3:36:18] Trustee Rogers: steel

[3:36:20] Trustee Rogers: or the equivalent, because I

[3:36:22] Trustee Rogers: don't know. I'm not an alloy

[3:36:24] Trustee Rogers: metal person. I'm not

[3:36:27] Trustee Rogers: sure if they're actually steel.

[3:36:36] Voice 5: Used as...

[3:36:37] Voice 5: No,

[3:36:38] Voice 6: or the equivalent for replacement

[3:36:40] Voice 6: filings

[3:36:40] Voice 5: for the public.

[3:36:42] Trustee Rogers: For

[3:36:44] Trustee Rogers: filings. I think that's fine.

[3:36:47] Trustee Rogers: And then what's your other amendment?

[3:36:51] Voice 5: The other one is that

[3:36:52] Voice 5: just this is so this is the addition of the electrical shed right so if you can see oh i see

[3:36:57] Voice 5: this is adding language to say so it would read demolition of storage deck etc adding the item

[3:37:04] Voice 5: demolition of an electrical shed in accordance with and then it goes on to list that and add

[3:37:10] Voice 5: schedule d electrical shed location all is attached to the permit and this would be

[3:37:17] Voice 5: schedule d would be added onto the last part of the permit showing the location of that shed right

[3:37:24] Voice 5: and

[3:37:25] Trustee Rogers: and i just could you scroll up a minute we saw the schedule related to the tsunamic

[3:37:30] Trustee Rogers: first nations week did we see that last meeting so yeah

[3:37:33] Voice 5: yeah i can bring that up that's in a pdf

[3:37:36] Voice 5: version this is a word version

[3:37:37] Trustee Rogers: i thought i was pretty sure we saw it and we talked about it

[3:37:40] Trustee Rogers: a fair amount um i just and i think everybody was comfortable with it so so uh do we make need to

[3:37:48] Trustee Rogers: make a motion to make those amendments or can we just approve the uh the permit as amended

[3:37:54] Voice 5: there should be a motion to amend it in this way because it's not in your agenda package so

[3:37:58] Voice 5: we need to say as i believe yeah

[3:38:02] Trustee Rogers: that's probably right so all i'm gonna just i'm just trying to

[3:38:05] Trustee Rogers: keep us moving because it's almost three o'clock is i'm gonna say uh we i move that we amend the

[3:38:10] Trustee Rogers: the development permit.

[3:38:12] Trustee Rogers: Is that what it's called, the development permit?

[3:38:14] Trustee Rogers: What's the number?

[3:38:16] Voice 5: GB, DP 2020.2.

[3:38:22] Voice 6: Right, 2020.2 by adding the words,

[3:38:26] Voice 6: quote, demolition

[3:38:28] Trustee Rogers: of an electrical shed,

[3:38:32] Trustee Rogers: and quote, and schedule D of electrical shed location

[3:38:37] Trustee Rogers: to paragraph two,

[3:38:40] Trustee Rogers: and by changing 3.3 condition 3.3 to read as as it's there right now and and and Nadine can just

[3:38:52] Trustee Rogers: add the language that's there. Increasing piling shall not be used as a replacement piling but

[3:38:58] Trustee Rogers: rather their applicant shall be limited to a steel or equivalent for replacement piling for

[3:39:02] Trustee Rogers: the store direction and more. So that's my motion.

[3:39:08] Trustee Rogers: Okay so that's been seconded. Is there any further

[3:39:10] Trustee Rogers: the discussion related to that okay i'll call the vote we've amended the development permit so back

[3:39:17] Trustee Rogers: to the trustees uh your idea your um your thoughts are a motion related to the uh recommendation of

[3:39:27] Trustee Rogers: approval of missions we haven't actually talked about the bigger picture about this but over to

[3:39:31] Trustee Rogers: you to make a motion or not yeah

[3:39:34] Voice 23: okay i'll make the motion uh where is it oh sorry it's on page

[3:39:41] Voice 23: I moved that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GBDB 2020.2, subject to the conditions imposed herein as amended.

[3:40:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay, is there a seconder?

[3:40:04] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's been seconded. Any further discussion, trustees, related to this report?

[3:40:10] Voice 23: No, other

[3:40:11] Voice 23: than to say thanks for Scott for his keen eye on those pilings.

[3:40:16] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i

[3:40:18] Trustee Colbourne: used to have stained creosote pants it's bad stuff

[3:40:23] Trustee Rogers: okay well if there's no further discussion i'm going to call the vote on that motion

[3:40:26] Trustee Rogers: all in favor so that passes but i just want to emphasize as as uh i think it was sonja who said

[3:40:34] Trustee Rogers: or maybe it was planner cox who said this is not related to the bigger issue of the of the

[3:40:39] Trustee Rogers: upland development this is related simply to the application that's here um i i also want to uh

[3:40:46] Trustee Rogers: thank Mr. actually we're that's coming up on our agenda I'll deal with them so thank you very much

[3:40:52] Trustee Rogers: Ms. White for joining us you can carry on with your day and unless you'd like to stay with us

[3:40:58] Trustee Rogers: thank

[3:40:58] Voice 14: you have a great afternoon

[3:41:03] Voice 14: bye

[3:41:04] Trustee Rogers: -bye all right we're going to move on now we're now do

[3:41:07] Trustee Rogers: people need a break it's now almost three o'clock should we take five minutes and we'll come back

[3:41:12] Trustee Rogers: to the land use bylaw amendments oh now this is the one year that uh okay never mind we'll

[3:41:17] Trustee Rogers: wait till we come back we'll be back at uh

[3:41:22] Voice 19: at three o'clock thanks very much welcome back

[3:41:29] Voice 23: do i need to uh recuse myself now well

[3:41:32] Trustee Rogers: okay so there's something i'm trying to recall something

[3:41:36] Trustee Rogers: here um there are a couple of aspects to this particular bylaw one is about the recycling

[3:41:42] Trustee Rogers: and the other is not.

[3:41:44] Trustee Rogers: And did you recuse yourself from the whole application?

[3:41:47] Trustee Rogers: You did?

[3:41:47] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I did, yeah.

[3:41:48] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[3:41:52] Voice 23: Should I just leave the meeting

[3:41:54] Voice 23: or turn off the video and walk away or?

[3:41:57] Trustee Rogers: I would just turn off the video and walk away.

[3:41:59] Trustee Rogers: We'll trust you.

[3:42:00] Voice 23: Yeah, yeah, and as long as I don't have my headphones on,

[3:42:03] Voice 23: I can't hear anything.

[3:42:04] Voice 23: It doesn't transmit off the computer.

[3:42:07] Trustee Rogers: So we'll be, I don't know how long this is going to take,

[3:42:10] Trustee Rogers: but we'll maybe, should we text you

[3:42:12] Trustee Rogers: or how do we get you back?

[3:42:14] Voice 23: I can, I can just peek in and see what's

[3:42:17] Trustee Rogers: happening. Okay, thank you.

[3:42:19] Trustee Rogers: We're at 8.1 of the application land use bylaw amendments to expand community uses in the

[3:42:25] Trustee Rogers: I am.

[3:42:28] Trustee Rogers: Someone's own.

[3:42:29] Trustee Rogers: This is now yours planner.

[3:42:33] Trustee Rogers: Over to you.

[3:42:35] Voice 14: Thank you, Chair, just making sure you can hear me on this microphone.

[3:42:38] Trustee Rogers: I can.

[3:42:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay, great.

[3:42:40] Voice 14: Great. So, following the June LTC meeting, with respect to the IN1 zone update project, staff have drafted an LUB amendment, By-law 310, for the LTC's discussion and consideration today.

[3:42:54] Voice 14: me to summarize the two drafted amendments include firstly permitting community resource

[3:43:02] Voice 14: centers to exist on any ion one zoned lot instead of just one specific lot as is currently permitted

[3:43:10] Voice 14: and the second amendment is a site-specific amendment for the gyro only which would add

[3:43:17] Voice 14: an accessory use to permit gyro to repair and process used items into usable goods that they

[3:43:23] Voice 14: could then sell. So staff have made four recommendations as noted on page one of the

[3:43:30] Voice 14: staff report, which is page 83 of your agenda, including considering giving first reading to

[3:43:37] Voice 14: the bylaw and referring it for review and comment. The recommendation on page one of the report lists

[3:43:45] Voice 14: five different referrals, so Stenamook First Nation, the Regional District of Nanaimo,

[3:43:51] Voice 14: Moe, Flynn Rourke, Moe Tee, and the Gabriel APC.

[3:43:55] Voice 14: So just speaking to those real quick,

[3:43:58] Voice 14: since writing the report,

[3:43:59] Voice 14: planning staff was able to connect

[3:44:01] Voice 14: with Highlands Trust staff member, Lisa Wilcox,

[3:44:05] Voice 14: regarding the potential referral of this by-law

[3:44:07] Voice 14: to Sonoma First Nation.

[3:44:09] Voice 14: And staff concluded after that discussion

[3:44:12] Voice 14: that since these by-law LUB amendments

[3:44:16] Voice 14: would result in no direct or immediate impacts to lands,

[3:44:19] Voice 14: So no construction, our understanding is there's no construction or disturbance of or near

[3:44:25] Voice 14: any ARC sites proposed with the gyro site specifically, or water.

[3:44:32] Voice 14: So there's no nearby streams, no impacts to any groundwater use, etc.

[3:44:38] Voice 14: That Stenamook would likely see a referral like this, for an amendment like this, as an additional business change of use.

[3:44:46] Voice 14: So staff recognize that the LTC also has a standing resolution regarding reconciliation with local First Nations, and it's important to try and find that balance between referring everything to Stenamook for review, and at the same time recognizing that they also have limited capacities and time and resource for review as well.

[3:45:11] Voice 14: so therefore just referring those things that we understand would be of high concern or interest to

[3:45:16] Voice 14: them so my discussion with lisa was that deciding not to refer this particular bylaw 310 to sunny

[3:45:25] Voice 14: milk in this case would would still conform to the ltc's standing resolution so after that discussion

[3:45:31] Voice 14: uh with lisa staff are comfortable now advising that uh sfn not be referred by law 310 in this

[3:45:38] Voice 14: case but of course final discretion of whether to refer the bylaw out to SFN or any other agencies

[3:45:46] Voice 14: either is always up to the discretion of the LTC. Regarding the other referral agencies staff

[3:45:56] Voice 14: felt that referring to the RDN, Flynnward and MOTI are standard referrals that the LTC ultimately

[3:46:03] Voice 14: may or may not decide to refer to in this case but staff do advise referring bylaw 310 at least

[3:46:11] Voice 14: to the gabriella apc who will likely provide the ltc with a better sense of the community's thoughts

[3:46:18] Voice 14: and identify any issues before the bylaw goes to further readings so i was told that a representative

[3:46:26] Voice 14: from gyro would be in attendance i'm not sure i see them on the attendee list anymore

[3:46:32] Voice 14: But of course I can try and address any questions that the LTC might have for staff at this time. Thanks.

[3:46:39] Voice 14: I

[3:46:43] Trustee Rogers: only see three attendees, so I don't know if any of them are here as a representative.

[3:46:48] Trustee Rogers: I

[3:46:48] Voice 14: don't believe so. I don't

[3:46:50] Trustee Rogers: recognize the name as being part of that.

[3:46:52] Trustee Rogers: that um okay uh it's interesting um i have a question just a process is um are we just

[3:47:05] Trustee Rogers: referring the is this a referral to if the suggestion to send it to the apc just for

[3:47:10] Trustee Rogers: comment is that just the the basic i mean it's a relatively simple bylaw but we're just

[3:47:15] Trustee Rogers: trying to get community comment from the agencies okay trustee colbert yeah

[3:47:22] Trustee Colbourne: this is good i did

[3:47:23] Trustee Colbourne: I did receive some concerns from people for healthy community regarding the distinctions between community center and community resource center so I'm glad to see that's been caught.

[3:47:34] Trustee Colbourne: I don't have any additional.

[3:47:37] Trustee Colbourne: This is a good report.

[3:47:39] Trustee Colbourne: Good work, and, you know, any concerns related from the town hall to to participation and conflicts of interest they should be directed I believe to the individual trustee.

[3:47:50] Trustee Colbourne: um right just to kind of speak to process um that is a that is an individual decision of each

[3:47:56] Trustee Colbourne: elected official to define their level of conflict of duty of interest or whatever so

[3:48:01] Trustee Colbourne: that's um that should be directed to trustee longaris um this is a minimal change i agree with

[3:48:09] Trustee Colbourne: that um i'm just thinking through the referrals um and maybe maybe yeah i don't have any specific

[3:48:21] Trustee Colbourne: I think what I'll just do is just move the first one

[3:48:23] Trustee Colbourne: and we can discuss the referrals when I get to that.

[3:48:25] Trustee Colbourne: So I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:48:27] Trustee Colbourne: has reviewed the Island's Trust Policy Statement

[3:48:29] Trustee Colbourne: direct as only checklist and determined

[3:48:30] Trustee Colbourne: that bylaw number 310 cited as Gabriel Island

[3:48:33] Trustee Colbourne: land use bylaw 1999 amendment number 2, 2021

[3:48:36] Trustee Colbourne: is not contrary to your advance

[3:48:37] Trustee Colbourne: with the Island's Trust Policy Statement.

[3:48:40] Trustee Rogers: I'll second that.

[3:48:42] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:48:42] Trustee Rogers: Do you wish to discuss it?

[3:48:44] Trustee Rogers: No.

[3:48:46] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you for the checklist.

[3:48:47] Trustee Rogers: I agree, it's not contrary.

[3:48:49] Trustee Rogers: So I'll call the vote. All in favor?

[3:48:53] Trustee Colbourne: Okay.

[3:48:55] Trustee Colbourne: Moved that the Gabriel Island

[3:48:57] Trustee Colbourne: Local Trust Committee bylaw number 310

[3:48:59] Trustee Colbourne: cited as Gabriel Island Land Use Bylaw

[3:49:01] Trustee Colbourne: 1999, Amendment number 2

[3:49:02] Trustee Colbourne: 2021 be read a first time.

[3:49:04] Trustee Colbourne: And

[3:49:05] Trustee Rogers: I'll second that.

[3:49:06] Trustee Rogers: Do you

[3:49:07] Trustee Rogers: wish to discuss it?

[3:49:08] Trustee Rogers: No.

[3:49:10] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. This is the first reading

[3:49:12] Trustee Rogers: and I'll call the vote. All in favor?

[3:49:15] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[3:49:19] Trustee Colbourne: I'll move that the

[3:49:19] Trustee Colbourne: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee waive the requirement

[3:49:21] Trustee Colbourne: for a public hearing on bylaw number 310 cited as gabriel on land use bylaw 1999 amendment number

[3:49:26] Trustee Colbourne: 2 2021 is the bylaws consistent with the gabriel island official community plan number 166 1997

[3:49:32] Trustee Colbourne: and request and request staff to receive the public public notification as per section 467

[3:49:37] Trustee Colbourne: of the local government act

[3:49:39] Trustee Rogers: and i'm going to uh second that and i'm just going to ask the staff

[3:49:44] Trustee Rogers: whether you have any comments related to did you hear the comments in town hall related to waving

[3:49:49] Trustee Rogers: Oh, you didn't you were effectively

[3:49:51] Trustee Rogers: there was some commentary that we should not waive a public hearing it's an amendment to the bylaw we should always do a public hearing and community information meeting and we should go through a full process.

[3:50:05] Trustee Rogers: I think your report addresses the issue that we have the authority in section, I think it's when a bylaw amendment is relatively minor and doesn't conflict with the OCP. Is that the standard?

[3:50:20] Trustee Rogers: It's

[3:50:21] Voice 14: consistent with the official community plan. You can waive a public hearing for a land use bylaw amendment, not for an OCP amendment.

[3:50:28] Voice 14: Right.

[3:50:29] Trustee Rogers: And so what is the, just so we all know what the, so we know for the public comment, the process for public notification as per Section 467, what is that?

[3:50:41] Voice 14: I believe it's a notification that goes out in like the public, in a public newspaper, at least advertised once, maybe, maybe it goes out twice, I'm not sure about that, but at least, I believe, 10 days before the next readings would be considered.

[3:50:56] Voice 14: and

[3:50:57] Trustee Rogers: that and that allows and that gives people the opportunity to comment in writing as opposed

[3:51:01] Trustee Rogers: to having a public hearing process and i think we did this for um we did that for uh pages marina

[3:51:11] Trustee Rogers: didn't we yeah

[3:51:12] Voice 21: yeah again because

[3:51:14] Trustee Rogers: yeah right okay yeah uh okay thanks for the answers my question i

[3:51:18] Trustee Rogers: have no further comment do you wish anything from the trustee yeah

[3:51:21] Trustee Colbourne: we we raised there was the word

[3:51:23] Trustee Colbourne: industrial used and and in discussions with the um and looking at this report and and the actual

[3:51:30] Trustee Colbourne: impacts on water and what the activities are that they it does not meet the um the impacts of

[3:51:37] Trustee Colbourne: something like industrial so this is a this is a uh net benefit um so uh i uh i support the way

[3:51:45] Trustee Colbourne: that this is is being conducted in terms of um being responsive to changing community needs given

[3:51:51] Trustee Colbourne: the the um given the state of the ocp in the land use bylaws so i support this motion and and not

[3:51:58] Trustee Colbourne: having a public hearing on this okay

[3:52:00] Trustee Rogers: so i'll call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously

[3:52:04] Trustee Rogers: there's one more uh motion suggested here uh well

[3:52:07] Trustee Rogers: no we need to talk about referrals yeah

[3:52:10] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i i completely agree it should go having said you know public hearing and all that that

[3:52:16] Trustee Colbourne: that. But I do believe that the the APC could provide some

[3:52:21] Trustee Colbourne: valuable sort of a community conduit for discussion on this

[3:52:24] Trustee Colbourne: and also just to make sure that people understand and give us

[3:52:26] Trustee Colbourne: gyro a chance to, and PhD to discuss their plans and and make

[3:52:32] Trustee Colbourne: sure people understand it. So I completely agree with the APC.

[3:52:36] Trustee Colbourne: And I do agree that you know, we so name of First Nation, RDN,

[3:52:44] Trustee Colbourne: Flynn row and ministry of transportation could be left off in cases like this in this specific case

[3:52:51] Trustee Colbourne: um but i i still believe the the apc could provide some community engagement and computer

[3:53:00] Trustee Colbourne: so you're

[3:53:01] Trustee Rogers: are you effectively saying that it simply be referred to the apc yeah and then

[3:53:07] Trustee Rogers: and okay not even the rdn i was thinking the rdn and the apc but i don't know

[3:53:12] Trustee Rogers: like the but uh maybe it doesn't even know that you need to go there yeah the rdn makes sense

[3:53:20] Trustee Rogers: yes planner um

[3:53:21] Voice 14: so my understanding is gyro um gets funding through the rdn so

[3:53:27] Voice 14: i think there's some funding for their textile projects might

[3:53:31] Voice 14: might be wise to just send it to them to see if they have any thoughts yeah

[3:53:36] Trustee Colbourne: that's a good

[3:53:36] Trustee Colbourne: suggestion okay and

[3:53:38] Voice 20: i think i think

[3:53:38] Trustee Colbourne: with solid waste being you know one of the services that

[3:53:41] Trustee Colbourne: this this that that makes sense it's the it's the provincial side and in this case with direction

[3:53:47] Trustee Colbourne: from the senior government policy analyst in terms of how referrals work specifically with

[3:53:51] Trustee Colbourne: cinema um i'm confident in the advice that we receive there through the planner okay so i'm

[3:53:57] Trustee Rogers: gonna i'll i'll just help out by on 310 site is gabriella land use bio amendment number two 2021

[3:54:03] Trustee Rogers: be referred to the regional district of nanaimo and the gabriola island advisory planning committee

[3:54:12] Trustee Rogers: yeah second okay well that's been moved and seconded and i think we've already discussed

[3:54:18] Trustee Rogers: it so i'll call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously thank you very much uh

[3:54:21] Trustee Rogers: finally for this report and i think that's all you need from us on this is that correct

[3:54:28] Voice 14: yeah i'll see you at the next meeting or october thanks

[3:54:33] Trustee Rogers: a lot okay uh so the next item is uh

[3:54:37] Trustee Rogers: because we've got the housing options so we have to somehow wave to case the trustee

[3:54:45] Trustee Rogers: lawyer has to get him back and we'll get planners open a job and we're at now we're at 8.2 of the

[3:54:55] Trustee Rogers: agenda which is page 95 for anybody watching and how do we get a case back I can

[3:55:05] Voice 12: give them a quick

[3:55:06] Voice 12: call if you like yeah

[3:55:08] Trustee Rogers: if we could get him back then we can move our way through this as well

[3:56:01] Trustee Rogers: am i correct for you uh gabriel island residents that um water on tinson point would be an issue

[3:56:13] Trustee Rogers: yes yeah i

[3:56:16] Trustee Rogers: i was struck by i can't remember who it was but somebody said they also had a purely

[3:56:19] Trustee Rogers: early rainwater collection in the system and I and I anyway here we are let's let's not get

[3:56:26] Trustee Rogers: distracted um yeah uh thank you uh plan to simply inch over you we've got your report thank you

[3:56:34] Trustee Rogers: starting at page 95 so I'll

[3:56:37] Trustee Rogers: keep the introductory

[3:56:38] Planner Zupanec: comments short this was deferred from your June

[3:56:41] Planner Zupanec: 2021 meeting and all the above recommendations in the staff report are simply being reintroduced

[3:56:48] Planner Zupanec: for your discussion today um so there's no new information in here other than there would be no

[3:56:54] Planner Zupanec: business case provided for the september meeting it would have to likely be october as

[3:56:59] Planner Zupanec: was mentioned in town hall comments earlier but that there isn't a public opportunity

[3:57:06] Planner Zupanec: for comment on that particular piece it would be something that the local trust committee would

[3:57:10] Planner Zupanec: consider so i'm here to answer any questions that you have about contemplating this and i

[3:57:16] Planner Zupanec: can also provide you with just a brief update on the density donation outreach program status if

[3:57:23] Planner Zupanec: you wish before we start that or after however you'd like to proceed let's

[3:57:28] Trustee Rogers: let's do it now while

[3:57:30] Trustee Rogers: we're still fresh sure

[3:57:32] Planner Zupanec: so what we've done is referred a draft outline to your housing advisory

[3:57:37] Planner Zupanec: planning commission on the density donation outreach program elements that we're considering

[3:57:44] Planner Zupanec: as part of a public outreach package so the hapc met yesterday for one hour we had a great

[3:57:50] Planner Zupanec: discussion about potential improvements to the outline and the engagement that we're going to do

[3:57:56] Planner Zupanec: with landowners in the fall in concert with the galt nature stewards program outreach so there's

[3:58:04] Planner Zupanec: lots of synchronicities that we're going to build on and they provided staff with some great

[3:58:08] Planner Zupanec: great critiques and possible suggestions that we can include so we'll be doing that in September, and possibly re referring to them, a methodology for an actual donation clinic, which would be a one stop event for folks to come and get information about all

[3:58:27] Planner Zupanec: the options for density donations as well as conservation of private property so we're pretty

[3:58:33] Planner Zupanec: excited that that's going to be moving forward in the fall and we're making great progress but

[3:58:39] Planner Zupanec: there'll be a bit of a

[3:58:39] Planner Zupanec: stall during august for the summer break and we'll start up again in september

[3:58:44] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[3:58:50] Trustee Rogers: We also had some comments related to this program from Deb Farrans, and we also had, of course, Trustee Colburn's motion or proposed motion related to TUPs to discuss as part of this.

[3:59:13] Trustee Rogers: but with those contacts and the staff report trustees uh comments questions how would you

[3:59:19] Trustee Rogers: like to proceed uh

[3:59:21] Trustee Colbourne: can i ask the the island planner about um two questions um the draft

[3:59:28] Trustee Colbourne: business case and just sort of could you just i think at the end of last meeting as we you know

[3:59:32] Trustee Colbourne: kind of sadly had to kind of rush through some of these things and and triage a bit um i asked

[3:59:37] Trustee Colbourne: a question about the process of whether or not this could be deferred until this meeting so

[3:59:41] Trustee Colbourne: So can you just take me through what the timing parameters of that might look like and the opportunities for community input?

[3:59:52] Planner Zupanec: Can you clarify which you mean this report or the draft business case, for example, the

[3:59:58] Trustee Colbourne: draft business case?

[4:00:01] Planner Zupanec: So that's a document that staff would prepare for the local trust committee to

[4:00:05] Planner Zupanec: review and possibly our HAPC through that mechanism.

[4:00:12] Planner Zupanec: It's public,

[4:00:13] Planner Zupanec: but there would be no specific consultation or engagement on that because it is

[4:00:19] Planner Zupanec: a business case to trust council based on a local trust committee's priorities

[4:00:23] Planner Zupanec: or objectives to implement a specific program.

[4:00:27] Planner Zupanec: So you've heard,

[4:00:28] Planner Zupanec: heard you've had quite a bit of engagement that happened earlier this year that informed

[4:00:34] Planner Zupanec: the recommendations of the HAPC which informed the recommendations that you're looking at today

[4:00:39] Planner Zupanec: in terms of how to leverage a very different type of program in order to achieve multiple

[4:00:49] Planner Zupanec: land use planning priorities in a way that may be more effective and efficient than the way that

[4:00:54] Planner Zupanec: we currently operate under the local trust body project priorities and fiscal year restraints and

[4:01:01] Planner Zupanec: budgets so that's kind of where all this has come from is that the public has had um an opportunity

[4:01:08] Planner Zupanec: to weigh in on these issues and your hapc has developed an option for you to consider that

[4:01:15] Planner Zupanec: may be able to address these issues in a more comprehensive way thank

[4:01:19] Trustee Colbourne: you that's that's yeah

[4:01:21] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I'll bring up some points you raised there. Regarding the short-term vacation rentals,

[4:01:26] Trustee Colbourne: commercial vacation rentals, and whether or not they can have a short-term impact or where that's

[4:01:30] Trustee Colbourne: placed within the matrix of decision-making in terms of short-term, near-term, long-term,

[4:01:37] Trustee Colbourne: is there a benefit in doing, I mean, we're obviously having these discussions as each

[4:01:42] Trustee Colbourne: application comes up and the conditions are changing. So do you still put it in the matrix

[4:01:48] Trustee Colbourne: of where it is currently or could that be something

[4:01:52] Trustee Colbourne: that could have more of an impact

[4:01:53] Trustee Colbourne: if it's done on the short term?

[4:01:54] Trustee Colbourne: Are

[4:01:58] Voice 19: you referring to this matrix that we used?

[4:02:00] Voice 19: That's right, yeah.

[4:02:04] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, so this was in an attempt to sort of identify

[4:02:12] Planner Zupanec: resource limitations, but possible impacts

[4:02:14] Planner Zupanec: that these little individual discrete pieces could have

[4:02:16] Planner Zupanec: because you had identified this as one of the six things

[4:02:19] Planner Zupanec: or five things that you were specifically interested in.

[4:02:23] Planner Zupanec: So if you wanted to tease any of these out

[4:02:25] Planner Zupanec: as a discrete individual projects that was always identified as an option that's the way we operate

[4:02:31] Planner Zupanec: for most of your top priority projects so if the ltc wish to do that you that's what you've done

[4:02:37] Planner Zupanec: with the density donation outreach is we identified that as a high impact project so we're dedicating

[4:02:45] Planner Zupanec: the resources to that another small project such as the stvr review um you know likely could

[4:02:55] Planner Zupanec: be contemplated as well if you're adjusting your project list later today or in the next

[4:03:01] Planner Zupanec: month or two with the cannabis project wrapping up perhaps for the in1 um yeah because that would

[4:03:11] Planner Zupanec: likely be done in-house for example yeah small

[4:03:14] Planner Zupanec: stvr review project would be in-house where is this

[4:03:18] Planner Zupanec: project and program that you're looking at under this staff report is multi-year consultant based

[4:03:26] Planner Zupanec: you know there's internal staff requirements to execute those first steps but ultimately it would

[4:03:33] Planner Zupanec: be funded differently and resourced differently and

[4:03:37] Trustee Colbourne: and stvr reviewers a reviewer cvrs would be

[4:03:40] Trustee Colbourne: part of that process as well right it would feed into that it wouldn't be a discrete project item

[4:03:45] Trustee Colbourne: it would be fed into the broader discussion and bring it into other considerations in terms of

[4:03:48] Trustee Colbourne: ecology and and housing crisis yeah

[4:03:51] Trustee Colbourne: and that that was the idea is that

[4:03:52] Planner Zupanec: that all these would therefore

[4:03:54] Planner Zupanec: therefore fall under a larger lens for review so that the final outcome or the bylaw changes that

[4:04:00] Planner Zupanec: the community would then be contemplating had all those factors built in versus you know single

[4:04:06] Planner Zupanec: issue lens okay

[4:04:10] Trustee Colbourne: and my final question i kind of put forward an intent to um to put forward a motion

[4:04:15] Trustee Colbourne: regarding a ocp review and i'm just wondering if um if that project that's the with the business

[4:04:22] Trustee Colbourne: case if it were a full OCP review could that be more effective than um doing it with um more

[4:04:32] Trustee Colbourne: limited in terms of the silos that we're opening up if that makes sense like instead of sort of

[4:04:37] Trustee Colbourne: asking for a because these things are so interrelated that um I'm wondering if if the

[4:04:43] Trustee Colbourne: business case should be for an OCP review for the reasons and with these outcomes with the

[4:04:48] Trustee Colbourne: of community engagement work that's led into it yep

[4:04:52] Planner Zupanec: that's another option absolutely it's always

[4:04:55] Planner Zupanec: there denman island most recently put together a business case network is still putting together

[4:05:02] Planner Zupanec: the business case for that exact reason is that it's they're looking to address a number of

[4:05:07] Planner Zupanec: competing issues and project priorities and they feel that that ocp lub comprehensive review will

[4:05:15] Planner Zupanec: achieve a desired result of tying in all the community priorities and discussions on some

[4:05:20] Planner Zupanec: timely topics. So if you feel that that is the approach that you'd like to take, then that would

[4:05:29] Planner Zupanec: that would be the direction we would go with.

[4:05:32] Voice 23: Okay, thank you for that.

[4:05:35] Voice 23: Trustee Colburn, can I clarify, the OCP review, you're talking about everything other than the

[4:05:42] Voice 23: short-term vacation rental and the density, what do you call it, the voluntary density reduction

[4:05:49] Voice 23: program? No,

[4:05:52] Voice 23: it'd

[4:05:54] Trustee Colbourne: be comprehensive. So it would include, I mean, the first one is a project,

[4:05:58] Trustee Colbourne: but it would definitely include short-term vacation rentals and how they interact with

[4:06:03] Trustee Colbourne: other components of the regulations.

[4:06:06] Voice 23: So you're talking about the voluntary density being the

[4:06:09] Voice 23: the one now and then the OCP review taking on the rest of the components.

[4:06:16] Trustee Colbourne: Exactly. I would expect that the budget for the OCP review would be

[4:06:23] Trustee Colbourne: larger than it currently under this project outline, but I don't know if you'd be willing to.

[4:06:33] Voice 23: Well, I think it would be based on what I've been told about OCP reviews,

[4:06:38] Voice 23: is the costs involved you know a complete ocp review let

[4:06:42] Trustee Rogers: me uh i put a little context in there

[4:06:45] Trustee Rogers: we're doing um an ocp review on gambier right now which is probably a two and a half to three year

[4:06:53] Trustee Rogers: project um and it's targeted it's not exactly a comprehensive in the same sense that i think

[4:07:00] Trustee Rogers: you're talking about in the sense that it covers off forest land marine zones and um

[4:07:07] Trustee Rogers: reconciliation issues and docs so those are the four things we identified so it's a little it's

[4:07:12] Trustee Rogers: a little narrower and we currently have a we're currently proposing a budget of about uh forty

[4:07:19] Trustee Rogers: to fifty thousand dollars i would think a comprehensive uh ocp review on gabriola would be

[4:07:25] Trustee Rogers: three times that i mean depending

[4:07:29] Trustee Rogers: on how much external you do but the reality is as rpm tower

[4:07:33] Trustee Rogers: can tell us and probably a plan is that um is that ocp reviews uh outside of the trust are almost

[4:07:43] Trustee Rogers: always done by consultants and as my understanding they because the staff time and the amount of

[4:07:50] Trustee Rogers: resources involved in something especially on a community which is as complicated and as and as

[4:07:56] Trustee Rogers: large as gabriel would be i may be wrong about three times let's say double anyway um it would

[4:08:02] Trustee Rogers: be um it would be a very it would be a big project yeah there's nods on you if you dream

[4:08:10] Voice 23: and the the estimate on in this chart here says uh five thousand to fifty thousand dollars

[4:08:16] Voice 23: and i guess that's reliant upon the cost of a uh consultant a planning consultant it seems to be

[4:08:23] Voice 23: a good low well

[4:08:26] Trustee Rogers: you're you're talking about the working yeah

[4:08:30] Voice 23: yeah i mean the

[4:08:32] Trustee Rogers: the task force aren't

[4:08:33] Trustee Rogers: isn't this about the task force or is there something else

[4:08:35] Voice 23: yeah this is about i guess about

[4:08:36] Voice 23: the task force i'm assuming that's what so we're what we seem to be talking about now is an ocp

[4:08:42] Voice 23: review that's basically supplanting the task force we're not are we going to be doing ocp review and

[4:08:49] Voice 23: the task force i'm

[4:08:51] Trustee Colbourne: i'm trying to put forward the you know what's the most effective way to get at

[4:08:55] Trustee Colbourne: all these interrelated sections of this if we're going piecemeal project by project um you know

[4:09:02] Trustee Colbourne: and there's other things that need to be updated as well we've got a project list that has a number

[4:09:07] Trustee Colbourne: of things that are lub and ocp related yeah whether or not you know if the best benefits

[4:09:14] Trustee Colbourne: that that could work that could move out of this project into a broader review and allow us to move

[4:09:21] Trustee Colbourne: some of those items from the project list that are community priorities from sawmills you know

[4:09:26] Trustee Colbourne: to all kinds of things that we sort of parked for a very long time so if we're going to spend x

[4:09:32] Trustee Colbourne: amount of dollars or do tax requisitions or do business cases what i'm trying to ask is is this

[4:09:37] Trustee Colbourne: the most efficient way to do it or should we just connect all these things and and still with a

[4:09:44] Trustee Colbourne: focus on these as because the works that's gone into it um that's what i'm trying to get at in

[4:09:50] Trustee Colbourne: this decision making

[4:09:51] Voice 21: so

[4:09:52] Voice 23: yeah my inclination when i've been reading through the report again and

[4:09:58] Voice 23: And one of my concerns is this 10-year commitment to a project, a commission.

[4:10:05] Voice 23: I think that's – and one of the questions I've got is,

[4:10:07] Voice 23: what's the impact on other work that would arise during this time?

[4:10:13] Voice 23: Would we still – like, are we going to – if we started this commission

[4:10:16] Voice 23: and it's done locally, then what else can we do besides that?

[4:10:22] Voice 23: And that's, I guess, a question for the planner

[4:10:24] Voice 23: or for maybe the regional planning tower.

[4:10:27] Voice 23: car i have a concern about that so in

[4:10:31] Planner Zupanec: terms of projects or application processing or

[4:10:34] Voice 23: projects i'm just talking about projects not applications yeah sure

[4:10:39] Planner Zupanec: so you know ideally this

[4:10:41] Planner Zupanec: program is addressing many of the top priority projects that you or the in the community feel

[4:10:48] Planner Zupanec: need to be addressed the time sensitive addressing housing addressing the environment water

[4:10:55] Planner Zupanec: conservation that's the point of this project is that it hopefully takes all those projects

[4:11:00] Planner Zupanec: and focuses an action plan for implementation and the 10-year time frame is you know this is

[4:11:07] Planner Zupanec: this is the the best yes in terms of how robust this project might be and how long it might take

[4:11:14] Planner Zupanec: to roll out multiple amendments and enact those desired outcomes so if you have one-off projects

[4:11:23] Planner Zupanec: that are coming up, such as, you know,

[4:11:26] Planner Zupanec: a commercial zoning amendment for sites

[4:11:30] Planner Zupanec: or institutional zone amendment for site-specific tweaks

[4:11:33] Planner Zupanec: that you need to make, those might still be able

[4:11:36] Planner Zupanec: to be captured as you currently are doing right now,

[4:11:40] Planner Zupanec: as it's been leveraged.

[4:11:42] Planner Zupanec: But any of the larger projects would likely be parked

[4:11:46] Planner Zupanec: under that program where they fit

[4:11:49] Planner Zupanec: because they're being dealt with in a comprehensive way again.

[4:11:53] Planner Zupanec: So hopefully there wouldn't be a parallel process of multiple little projects watering down the efforts of a larger program that's addressing the critical land use issues in the island.

[4:12:05] Planner Zupanec: But, again, this is, this is all new and

[4:12:08] Voice 23: uncharted territory.

[4:12:11] Voice 23: So there's like a puzzle, all these pieces that we've got.

[4:12:15] Voice 23: on and what you're describing then if I understand it correctly is you're going to work on all the

[4:12:21] Voice 23: pieces and then at the end put it together into a comprehensive amendment because if if you're

[4:12:29] Voice 23: going to do it you know do one part and then do that it's no different than if we have local

[4:12:33] Voice 23: projects we do one aspect then we go on to another and so what you're talking about is the work to

[4:12:39] Voice 23: try to draw all the pieces together into a cohesive whole so that to me it sounds like it's going to be

[4:12:46] Voice 23: up to it's a 10-year project with a rollout at that point in time of a comprehensive review

[4:12:54] Voice 23: of everything you know that's listed here is that right

[4:12:58] Planner Zupanec: possibly that the strategic approach to it

[4:13:02] Planner Zupanec: would would from what i understand and the way i've worked with your hgpc on this is that it

[4:13:07] Planner Zupanec: It would be far more strategic in terms of identifying the desired outcomes of all the partners and the roles that they can play to impact, positively impact those areas of housing, environment, freshwater conservation.

[4:13:23] Planner Zupanec: And when you identify in that strategic plan what needs to happen, then it might take some time for those things to happen, but everybody's agreed in advance.

[4:13:31] Planner Zupanec: These are the things that we're working on from the RDN, Sinebuk, Violence Trust, versus right now, which is we don't have a strategic plan.

[4:13:41] Planner Zupanec: We definitely don't address growth management.

[4:13:44] Planner Zupanec: We're just going to kind of go piece by piece and hope that each political term builds on the efforts of the last or see some follow through.

[4:13:53] Planner Zupanec: So that planning supersedes the political term and fiscal sort of constraints and says this is the objective.

[4:13:59] Planner Zupanec: And everybody that comes in and acts as a player for that program then knows that this is, you know, how we're going to make choices.

[4:14:10] Planner Zupanec: So

[4:14:11] Voice 23: the partners are going to create sort of a framework for change, but not the change itself.

[4:14:17] Voice 23: And then as they do each component, then they have to fit the components together as well, right?

[4:14:22] Voice 23: right

[4:14:23] Planner Zupanec: yeah and that accountability and and reporting back and working more collaboratively

[4:14:28] Planner Zupanec: then allows hopefully for the plan to actually be implemented versus right now it's it's all just

[4:14:35] Planner Zupanec: not just but it's it's really your top priority project

[4:14:39] Voice 24: is what

[4:14:41] Planner Zupanec: dictates that and there's no real

[4:14:43] Planner Zupanec: input from any other agencies on what your top priority projects are we rely

[4:14:48] Planner Zupanec: on on the politicians

[4:14:49] Planner Zupanec: to to bring that to the table and reflect the needs of the community that way but this would

[4:14:55] Planner Zupanec: be a little bit different so again because we don't have a model to showcase how that works

[4:15:00] Planner Zupanec: the closest thing we have locally is the the mount aerosmith round table the biosphere region round

[4:15:08] Planner Zupanec: table and that's been in operation for a long time and they're they're making significant headway and

[4:15:15] Planner Zupanec: addressing a number of competing priorities in the Mount Aerosmith region but I mean it's not

[4:15:20] Planner Zupanec: an exact template that we can follow but that's sort

[4:15:23] Planner Zupanec: of what we were looking at in terms of

[4:15:25] Planner Zupanec: success of multi-agency strategic planning that could impact land use and the well-being of the

[4:15:33] Planner Zupanec: residents of an area.

[4:15:35] Voice 23: Yeah personally my inclination is and this is my own personal view on it is that

[4:15:42] Voice 23: we've got a number of issues to deal with and the basic framework I think for all of our land use

[4:15:48] Voice 23: bylaws has to be the environmental protection. I mean my sense is that if you go into a large

[4:15:55] Voice 23: project let's set the baseline of protection of the environment, the ecology, CDF, etc.

[4:16:01] Voice 23: Establish that base and then add on to it the other components. That's anyway that's my preference.

[4:16:07] Voice 23: uh i'm some of the uh and i i actually had some questions on some of the options

[4:16:14] Voice 23: and i don't maybe i'll i'll bring it up after we have this discussion but so

[4:16:19] Trustee Rogers: i i'm just trying to get some understanding of the discussion here because i'm trying and i

[4:16:25] Trustee Rogers: understood trustee colburn to say he's trying to figure out the best way forward what's the

[4:16:30] Trustee Rogers: most efficient way to to move us forward and this proposal around a all of the top of task force

[4:16:37] Trustee Rogers: um i think that's what's called in here is i see that as more of a process uh a collaborative

[4:16:45] Trustee Rogers: process where you get together and people discuss the issues and it's a way to to vet the various

[4:16:51] Trustee Rogers: things that are are necessary or are deemed seem to be necessary to be addressed on the island

[4:16:57] Trustee Rogers: uh and come up with maybe a strategy or recommendations or strat or suggestions to the

[4:17:04] Trustee Rogers: the LTC and or and maybe to others to say here's how you address these various issues around

[4:17:10] Trustee Rogers: housing I think it's housing water and biodiversity or something like that

[4:17:16] Trustee Rogers: biocultural and housing diversity so that that's sort of a process that that is attractive from

[4:17:23] Trustee Rogers: the point of view that it is it is it fits into our working with others mandate because we bring

[4:17:32] Trustee Rogers: bring together stakeholders and community people

[4:17:35] Trustee Rogers: and other groups.

[4:17:36] Trustee Rogers: The other thing that Colburn is talking about

[4:17:40] Trustee Rogers: as another alternative is because whatever they do,

[4:17:44] Trustee Rogers: whatever that task force does is the work of the change

[4:17:48] Trustee Rogers: actually has to still be done

[4:17:49] Trustee Rogers: by the local trust committee.

[4:17:51] Trustee Rogers: They may have done a lot of the groundwork

[4:17:53] Trustee Rogers: to bring it to us, but they may say,

[4:17:55] Trustee Rogers: you guys should go and do X in relation

[4:17:57] Trustee Rogers: to short-term vacation rentals.

[4:18:00] Trustee Rogers: You guys should do X in terms of identifying areas where there should be rezoning to allow X, or you guys should do what Trustee Langeras is talking about, which is identifying a baseline of environmental protection before you consider any of that.

[4:18:16] Trustee Rogers: Who knows what they'd say?

[4:18:18] Trustee Rogers: But I see that as a process.

[4:18:20] Trustee Rogers: The other one is a project, and that may sound like a distinction without a difference, but it strikes me that it is a difference.

[4:18:28] Trustee Rogers: difference in that an OCP review is basically saying okay we're going to go and we're going

[4:18:34] Trustee Rogers: to do a community consultation and engagement process and we're going to look at our OCP

[4:18:38] Trustee Rogers: we're going to identify what the needs in the community are and you'll set up some structure

[4:18:44] Trustee Rogers: to do that and a group of people or maybe that would be the task force but at the end of the

[4:18:51] Trustee Rogers: day you would do you would then go and say okay what we're going to do is we're now going to

[4:18:56] Trustee Rogers: identify all the things that that the ocp uh need we need to amend to the ocp to bring it into so

[4:19:04] Trustee Rogers: that it's more much more serves the needs of the community better and then the land use and of

[4:19:09] Trustee Rogers: course you can't but we're what we the realization is you can't really doesn't really make a lot of

[4:19:14] Trustee Rogers: sense to amend the ocp unless you amend the land use bylaws because that's where the rubber hits

[4:19:18] Trustee Rogers: the road right um so uh and and i'm wondering trustee colburn are you talking about both of

[4:19:25] Trustee Rogers: them happening at the same time or alternatives or how do you envision this going forward yeah

[4:19:30] Trustee Colbourne: what i'm wondering if if the process that's envisioned here which is a task force which has

[4:19:35] Trustee Colbourne: you know um representation and works in a collaborative way if the outcome is an ocp

[4:19:41] Trustee Colbourne: review and a land use bylaw review if that's a more effective way that the the process that

[4:19:48] Trustee Colbourne: that laid out here in is, and I agree with trustee Longaris completely in terms of establishing the

[4:19:55] Trustee Colbourne: environmental baselines. What, what the problem is here is that we've got a huge number of sort of,

[4:20:00] Trustee Colbourne: um, let's call them bank densities of market real estate of single family,

[4:20:05] Trustee Colbourne: single family dwellings. That's the, that's the issue that's sort of pushing against this. And

[4:20:14] Trustee Colbourne: as opposed to, and some of the items in this limit, subdivision potential limit the number

[4:20:21] Trustee Colbourne: of those single user dwellings. And it's a question of environmental conservation as the

[4:20:29] Trustee Colbourne: priority. And if you do that in a comprehensive way, then the OCP and the land use bylaws will

[4:20:35] Trustee Colbourne: need to be changed pretty significantly as well. And if there's a reconciliation aspect and a seat

[4:20:41] Trustee Colbourne: at the table with with first nations then you know we're we're moving towards a lot of the bigger

[4:20:48] Trustee Colbourne: goals that we've set as a trust in a local trust committee so it's the process i think is a good

[4:20:54] Trustee Colbourne: one it's a collaborative one i'm i'm just trying to wrestle with are we limiting it too much um

[4:21:00] Trustee Colbourne: by in the way that it's come out of a project and are we limiting its potential impacts on on a

[4:21:07] Trustee Colbourne: situation right now where you know we're basically responding to the developer of

[4:21:16] Trustee Colbourne: what there already is the predominant option in terms of of housing forms here

[4:21:21] Voice 23: so my sense

[4:21:23] Voice 23: then what you're talking about really is trying to change the single family dwelling market housing

[4:21:30] Voice 23: into other forms is that right trying to yeah

[4:21:35] Trustee Colbourne: it's not I don't think growth management is the

[4:21:37] Trustee Colbourne: way i would look at it it really is it is a redirection of of um of the way that this this

[4:21:46] Trustee Colbourne: place was subdivided before the trust came along and there needs to be some tough political

[4:21:50] Trustee Colbourne: decisions around limiting um limiting a form of housing that has a direct benefit to a few

[4:21:56] Trustee Colbourne: and the cost to the environment in the in the wider community and that's what we're seeing and

[4:22:01] Trustee Colbourne: it's it's it's not getting slower it's getting faster so um whether or not we want to do this

[4:22:07] Trustee Colbourne: in a in a piecemeal way you know i i'm i'm saying you know if we we're going to bite this carrot

[4:22:12] Trustee Colbourne: let's let's bite the carrot it's a terrible analogy it's getting late in the day

[4:22:22] Voice 23: i've got a number of questions on some of the options and i would like to ask them i had time

[4:22:31] Voice 23: to think about it some more one of the questions i had was in the options strengthen multi-dwelling

[4:22:37] Voice 23: affordable housing criteria i'm not sure exactly what that means what's what the intent is behind

[4:22:43] Voice 23: that i was wondering if i could get clarification on that sure so the the

[4:22:48] Planner Zupanec: original hapc report or

[4:22:51] Planner Zupanec: the gabriel housing working group report and

[4:22:54] Voice 23: this this report here just says strengthen multi

[4:22:56] Voice 23: dwelling affordable housing criteria that's

[4:22:59] Planner Zupanec: based on on a recommendation from the survey

[4:23:01] Planner Zupanec: responses that were received by the gabriel housing working group and endorsed by the hapc

[4:23:07] Planner Zupanec: that those criteria that were queried the community was queried on the existing criteria

[4:23:13] Planner Zupanec: that's in your ocp and there was i can't remember how

[4:23:18] Planner Zupanec: many people responded to that question

[4:23:19] Planner Zupanec: specifically looking for more flexibility to make sure that individuals requiring affordable

[4:23:25] Planner Zupanec: housing weren't excluded so it was simply looking at your existing criteria and possibly tweaking

[4:23:33] Planner Zupanec: though so that they would be the language would be uh more flexible and that's the term

[4:23:39] Planner Zupanec: strengthening really means that right now they're they're a little bit um they were considered that

[4:23:43] Planner Zupanec: there's room for improvement well

[4:23:45] Voice 23: i remember that there was a prioritization of the various

[4:23:49] Voice 23: components of the uh the current multiple affordable housing you know development policies

[4:23:56] Voice 23: i mean there was i can't remember the exact priority requirement i think location was one

[4:24:01] Voice 23: of the lower ones as I recall and I think the income level is one of the top ones but so is

[4:24:08] Voice 23: that what you're talking about but changing it what to make one a higher priority because they're

[4:24:15] Voice 23: all components are you talking about dropping some of them or potentially

[4:24:19] Planner Zupanec: adding or expanding on them

[4:24:21] Planner Zupanec: it seemed that that was there was interest in expanding on the current provisions that are

[4:24:26] Planner Zupanec: there that they're limited okay

[4:24:30] Voice 23: uh the other one the other question that puzzled me was under the

[4:24:33] Voice 23: medium term it says review requiring new zoning approvals resulting in subdivision to contribute

[4:24:40] Voice 23: to affordable housing units i'm not i i'm grasping with that one because it sounds like you're

[4:24:47] Voice 23: saying you can require a subdivision to provide affordable housing units but we can't under the

[4:24:53] Voice 23: current local government act do that we can only negotiate at time of rezoning so are you talking

[4:24:58] Voice 23: then about when someone applies to rezone to a higher density that we would require a contribution

[4:25:08] Voice 23: of some sort of affordable housing correct it

[4:25:11] Planner Zupanec: would be at the time of a rezoning not at the

[4:25:13] Planner Zupanec: time of a subdivision that's not that wasn't the intent of that to specify subdivision only it

[4:25:18] Planner Zupanec: It would have to be through an application

[4:25:20] Planner Zupanec: for a bylaw amendment for an increase in density

[4:25:23] Planner Zupanec: that would result in a subdivision.

[4:25:25] Planner Zupanec: And that's at that point in time

[4:25:27] Planner Zupanec: that the official community plan could guide

[4:25:30] Planner Zupanec: and direct those types of applications

[4:25:33] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that there is a provision and consideration

[4:25:37] Planner Zupanec: for the affordable housing component.

[4:25:40] Planner Zupanec: So

[4:25:40] Voice 23: it's not a rezoning, it's an amendment to a zone then?

[4:25:44] Voice 23: I'm not sure what the term rezoning means.

[4:25:47] Voice 23: To me, rezoning means you're going from one zone

[4:25:48] Voice 23: to another an amendment a

[4:25:51] Planner Zupanec: bylaw amendment application correct so somebody's applying

[4:25:53] Planner Zupanec: making an application to change the zone from large rural residential to something else yeah

[4:26:01] Planner Zupanec: small

[4:26:01] Voice 23: small rural residential would be the most likely so they would then increase their potential

[4:26:06] Voice 23: density so so then it would have to be the rezoning would have to occur in such a way that

[4:26:13] Voice 23: that the new zone would have a new density limit,

[4:26:17] Voice 23: which is less than what was possible

[4:26:19] Voice 23: if they had approved it without that requirement.

[4:26:23] Voice 23: Is that right?

[4:26:24] Planner Zupanec: And the OCP would guide what that would look like.

[4:26:28] Voice 23: Yeah.

[4:26:28] Voice 23: So

[4:26:28] Planner Zupanec: right now we're silent on that.

[4:26:30] Planner Zupanec: We have to sort of rely on the creativity of a developer

[4:26:34] Planner Zupanec: or their planner conversations before they apply to say,

[4:26:39] Planner Zupanec: you know, here's the community's got a lot of interest

[4:26:41] Planner Zupanec: in these things.

[4:26:41] Planner Zupanec: maybe you should incorporate this into your application. They

[4:26:45] Voice 23: can take it or leave it

[4:26:46] Planner Zupanec: because the OCP is silent on it. So a

[4:26:49] Voice 23: density transfer would be the other example that I could

[4:26:52] Voice 23: I could come up with you know like the recent density transfer that had been a policy although

[4:26:57] Voice 23: I'm not sure how many more density transfers we'll get because a lot of the I don't know how many

[4:27:03] Voice 23: more large lots we have left in forestry. So the rainwater harvesting collection that would be like

[4:27:12] Voice 23: like a DPA then that would be applied areas area-specific or island-wide staying that uh

[4:27:20] Voice 23: that would be affecting the uh building construction then when somebody applies for

[4:27:25] Voice 23: building code it could be

[4:27:27] Planner Zupanec: a DP it could be through the site-specific zoning you currently

[4:27:30] Planner Zupanec: have one zone the RR2 zone that requires connectivity of the

[4:27:35] Voice 24: residential problem

[4:27:36] Voice 24: yeah yeah so

[4:27:38] Planner Zupanec: we tried not to get too much into the very specific solutions we're identifying

[4:27:43] Planner Zupanec: options in general terms so you know we didn't really get a

[4:27:47] Planner Zupanec: chance to do it on

[4:27:49] Planner Zupanec: this yeah yeah

[4:27:51] Voice 23: the one the other question i got is setting affordable housing targets so is that like

[4:27:58] Voice 23: putting the ocp that we have to have to have so many units developed within a certain time

[4:28:03] Voice 23: Because right now the OCP talks about there's so many undeveloped lots, and it's meant, you know, the increase would potentially fall within those densities.

[4:28:14] Voice 23: But is that what you're talking about, or is it more specific than that?

[4:28:19] Planner Zupanec: It could be a number of things, but the whole point of articulating some targets, the same as with conservation, is what percentage of a land base do you need to support biodiversity, for example?

[4:28:30] Planner Zupanec: so there's there's data and science on that um you might want 12 18 22 same with housing

[4:28:37] Planner Zupanec: is that right now if we're going to continue ahead with no targets we have nothing to measure

[4:28:42] Planner Zupanec: whether or not you're actually achieving or making any headway in terms of addressing housing

[4:28:47] Planner Zupanec: options so your your current status of you know 68 of your lots are one acre or less

[4:28:54] Voice 24: if

[4:28:55] Planner Zupanec: that's a target you've met it is that you want to continue to perpetuate that that number

[4:29:02] Planner Zupanec: increases to 75 or 80 that's what will happen if the subdivision potential is realized according

[4:29:09] Planner Zupanec: to the development map that we've prepared for you so by setting targets you are through a

[4:29:15] Planner Zupanec: community process articulating what the desired outcome is and right now there are none to say

[4:29:21] Planner Zupanec: say on the housing spectrum, this number of units, or this percentage of units would address

[4:29:27] Planner Zupanec: the need versus just being silent on it and hoping that, you know, somebody will build

[4:29:34] Planner Zupanec: it.

[4:29:35] Planner Zupanec: So,

[4:29:35] Voice 23: so it's a hopeful target then, because we can't, I think all the

[4:29:41] Trustee Rogers: OCPs are objectives

[4:29:43] Trustee Rogers: and value as opposed to specific requirements, right?

[4:29:49] Trustee Rogers: And they talk about, I mean, yeah.

[4:29:52] Trustee Rogers: And they give, and OCPs provide the guidance

[4:29:56] Trustee Rogers: for you to make for the decision-making in the future.

[4:29:59] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[4:30:00] Trustee Rogers: until they change it again yeah

[4:30:03] Voice 23: and the other one the one the one i struggle with the most

[4:30:08] Voice 23: actually is the flex housing to me it reads as if it is secondary suites based on

[4:30:14] Voice 23: individuals needs so it'd be a lot specific zone we'd be creating and in the report the

[4:30:23] Voice 23: survey report talked about using a temporary use permit because there is the issue of you

[4:30:28] Voice 23: you allow for a density increase based on a need,

[4:30:32] Voice 23: and that need may or may not continue,

[4:30:34] Voice 23: or the property could get sold,

[4:30:36] Voice 23: in which case then, what happens?

[4:30:39] Voice 23: So I struggle with that one.

[4:30:42] Voice 23: That one I'm not keen on at all, to be quite honest.

[4:30:44] Voice 23: I think secondary suites is secondary suites,

[4:30:47] Voice 23: and we right now use lot size,

[4:30:51] Voice 23: and now to get into the potentially temporary

[4:30:55] Voice 23: prairie uh you know individual need on something yeah i think that's problematic so uh those are

[4:31:04] Voice 23: just some of my views um there was oh okay let's see thank you so

[4:31:13] Voice 23: yeah i'll take a break here for

[4:31:15] Voice 23: a second that's no

[4:31:16] Trustee Rogers: well i guess i just wanted to ask about i mean we've got a recommendation from

[4:31:20] Trustee Rogers: the uh from the planner but uh we've also had a number of ideas that go forward i just want to

[4:31:27] Trustee Rogers: i mean here's the i think we're trying to do it a little differently this this year and about i

[4:31:34] Trustee Rogers: think the idea was from the proposal as i understand it about putting a business case

[4:31:40] Trustee Rogers: for was to try and have it before uh the financial planning committee and and uh early in the process

[4:31:48] Trustee Rogers: rather than later in the process you may recall that the big ask from salt spring came actually

[4:31:54] Trustee Rogers: one of them came a little earlier, but one of them came quite late. It came in the package in

[4:32:00] Trustee Rogers: February or March, I can't remember when. Anyway, it wasn't in the original package,

[4:32:05] Trustee Rogers: but they both got approved. But I think the idea is there's probably going to be other LTCs. It

[4:32:11] Trustee Rogers: sounds like Denman may be one of them. There may be others that have seen this as a way forward to

[4:32:16] Trustee Rogers: try and get what they see as very important needs get addressed in some fashion. So the idea is to

[4:32:24] Trustee Rogers: to get your business case up and worked on earlier in the process rather than later,

[4:32:29] Trustee Rogers: probably to make it into the financial planning committee process probably in October, November.

[4:32:34] Trustee Rogers: So it makes it to December.

[4:32:35] Trustee Rogers: And actually, the trust council in December is very early this year.

[4:32:38] Trustee Rogers: I think it starts on November 30th.

[4:32:41] Trustee Rogers: And so that's the idea, is to get something ready and get it signed off by us,

[4:32:47] Trustee Rogers: get it to the financial planning committee and through the senior staff

[4:32:50] Trustee Rogers: and headed off to the financial planning committee

[4:32:53] Trustee Rogers: whenever their schedule is.

[4:32:55] Trustee Rogers: So that gives you, if there is going to be an ask,

[4:32:59] Trustee Rogers: that gives you basically two and a half months

[4:33:04] Trustee Rogers: to get something together and get signed off, right?

[4:33:08] Trustee Rogers: Tell me if I'm wrong, Sonia.

[4:33:09] Trustee Rogers: I know you won't hesitate.

[4:33:12] Trustee Rogers: But to get something signed off,

[4:33:14] Trustee Rogers: or maybe not that long, maybe two months

[4:33:16] Trustee Rogers: to get it together and get it off and out of the LTC.

[4:33:20] Trustee Rogers: And so that's the proposal. But I'm hearing some other ideas.

[4:33:23] Trustee Rogers: I'm not quite sure how this plays into all of the short term, medium term, long term objectives, because this is a very specific proposal regarding a work, a task force.

[4:33:37] Trustee Rogers: I've told you before, I have some, I don't know what the right word is, skepticism about getting a multi-year project approved by the Trust Council, as opposed to a, because we do our budget year at a time.

[4:33:53] Trustee Rogers: It's not a very good way to do it, but that's the way we do it. And the Trust Council is going to change in 2022. And who knows what the priorities are going to be then.

[4:34:01] Trustee Rogers: in but um uh those are just my thoughts but i'm i'm happy to support the way that the local

[4:34:07] Trustee Rogers: trustees in the community would like to move this work forward because i think it's important work

[4:34:11] Trustee Rogers: and we chose one short-term project i've heard trustee uh colburn suggest perhaps another project

[4:34:18] Trustee Rogers: um uh but i think we're trying to find a comprehensive way to go forward and

[4:34:24] Trustee Rogers: i think that's that's important so let's let's think about what that might look like

[4:34:29] Trustee Rogers: um in terms of whether it's this task force or something else and i have no magic solution

[4:34:40] Trustee Rogers: because as as planners lupinich says you know this is a bit of uncharted territory there

[4:34:46] Trustee Rogers: you know you

[4:34:47] Trustee Rogers: can look at salt spring and they've got a they've they're trying to model a little

[4:34:51] Trustee Rogers: bit their their housing work on the work that was done on gabriola and they're struggling because

[4:34:55] Trustee Rogers: because because um a it's a bigger community and b uh they don't have necessarily the volunteer

[4:35:03] Trustee Rogers: resources to do it uh that that we had on gabriola and every other island is sort of looking at and

[4:35:09] Trustee Rogers: the default often becomes well let's do an ocp review because we can roll everything into that

[4:35:15] Trustee Rogers: because that's a process we know at the trust right it's not remaking the wheel we know how

[4:35:21] Trustee Rogers: how that works and we know it's time consuming and it but it does always involve a lot of

[4:35:27] Trustee Rogers: community consultation and it also involves a lot of uh a lot of um uh thoughtful work

[4:35:34] Trustee Rogers: by staff and often by consultants but it's a way we know this way forward

[4:35:38] Voice 21: this

[4:35:39] Trustee Rogers: is a very

[4:35:40] Trustee Rogers: unique way yeah yeah and

[4:35:44] Trustee Colbourne: it shares some of the responsibility with with other players

[4:35:47] Trustee Colbourne: in this um because that's the the regional district of Nanaimo holds part of it items

[4:35:52] Trustee Colbourne: trust conservancy holds part of it so name up first nation and then and then the you know the

[4:35:57] Trustee Colbourne: the mechanism that we've set up which is the housing advisory planning commission here

[4:36:00] Trustee Colbourne: of island residents um so that's why we're sharing it a bit but it has to be funded like if we do

[4:36:07] Trustee Colbourne: piecemeal sort of parts of this and we get into staff capacity issues and then we're not funding

[4:36:13] Trustee Colbourne: it or we can no longer rely on the on the you know benefit of the community volunteers who led to us

[4:36:20] Trustee Colbourne: to this point so um i i just wanted to ask about tax requisition as a funding source because that

[4:36:28] Trustee Colbourne: would come up year on year for approval or like if there's an election and people change then that

[4:36:36] Trustee Colbourne: that's something that would have an annual component to it in terms of is this is this

[4:36:40] Trustee Colbourne: process adding up to what we were hoping for um and then that would be the annual funding right so

[4:36:47] Trustee Colbourne: i'm just wondering if that would be a decision that's made as the business cases put together

[4:36:52] Trustee Colbourne: is that something we should contemplate here well

[4:36:55] Trustee Rogers: that's an option i mean i'll just i'll tell you

[4:36:57] Trustee Rogers: the only place i know that it's happened is on salt spring with swipa where they came up with

[4:37:01] Trustee Rogers: a vision of managing a function that the trust so basically what happens is the trust council has a

[4:37:07] Trustee Rogers: has the ability to do something uh and they delegate it to the to the local trust committee

[4:37:14] Trustee Rogers: and then they prove and that's why the trust council has to approve the tax fund um and uh

[4:37:21] Trustee Rogers: and they do and they and generally if the local trust committee uh supports it uh the trust

[4:37:27] Trustee Rogers: council is not going to turn it down because it's your taxpayers who are going to pick up the bill

[4:37:31] Trustee Rogers: exactly and

[4:37:32] Trustee Rogers: um and just just so you know just so it's we're clear uh it's the whole of the local

[4:37:38] Trustee Rogers: trust area that that pays into that function not not you can't i tried to find a way to hive it

[4:37:45] Trustee Rogers: off into a group that was going to benefit we're trying to buy a dock and and it meant that the

[4:37:50] Trustee Rogers: whole local trust area had to pay into it and that was never going to work so um so uh you know that

[4:37:56] Trustee Rogers: that's the best and i i don't know the mechanics much beyond that but we staff probably knows how

[4:38:02] Trustee Rogers: to do it or or i think or certainly david marley the director we know how to do that uh but that's

[4:38:08] Trustee Rogers: an option but it does mean that your that your your local trust area then has is there's a tax

[4:38:14] Trustee Rogers: requisition you know

[4:38:15] Trustee Rogers: but what do they pay they pay ninety thousand dollars a year i think on

[4:38:20] Trustee Rogers: salt spring and so it's probably like less than ten dollars a property that they pay into that

[4:38:26] Trustee Rogers: and so that's the kind of dollars we're talking about when you spread it out across your four

[4:38:33] Trustee Rogers: thousand taxpaying residents on your island if you need you know four thousand residents so if

[4:38:39] Trustee Rogers: there's two thousand properties i'm just doing some quick math that you know that's that's like

[4:38:43] Trustee Rogers: fifty not even not even that it's like forty dollars a property so that's kind of money

[4:38:48] Trustee Rogers: you're talking about depending on how much the budget was but that would that's a different kind

[4:38:53] Trustee Rogers: of of business case you put together for that so

[4:38:57] Voice 23: one thing i just want to get clear in my mind is

[4:39:00] Voice 23: that you were talking about being the the voluntary density project like a short-term one and we're

[4:39:07] Voice 23: also talking about this other you know putting forward this proposal to trust council so are you

[4:39:13] Voice 23: in proposing that we not start the density volunteer density until the proposal is put

[4:39:21] Voice 23: forward is completed because it

[4:39:23] Voice 23: said you couldn't do both

[4:39:24] Trustee Rogers: who said we couldn't

[4:39:26] Voice 23: do that in the report

[4:39:27] Voice 23: that's what i got from the report is that that we could still

[4:39:30] Voice 23: move forward on the density yeah

[4:39:35] Planner Zupanec: that's right this this project the density donation outreach program project is is underway

[4:39:41] Planner Zupanec: way the intent is that it can be substantially completed before the end of this fiscal whereas

[4:39:48] Planner Zupanec: the submission of a business case and preparation of that business case and final decision on that

[4:39:54] Planner Zupanec: business case likely wouldn't happen until the spring 2022 anyway so there would be significant

[4:40:01] Planner Zupanec: work to put that business case together and but that density donation project would still be

[4:40:09] Planner Zupanec: underway and that's a short-term immediate high potential impact project that we're we're happy

[4:40:16] Planner Zupanec: to prioritize that could be just that could be the singular focus for the remainder of the term

[4:40:22] Planner Zupanec: the recommendation from your hapc and from staff was to consider addressing this other gaping hole

[4:40:30] Planner Zupanec: which is all those other pieces of the housing options impacts review project being advanced in

[4:40:36] Planner Zupanec: in some way before the end of the term.

[4:40:41] Voice 23: Yeah, and this, what do you call it?

[4:40:47] Voice 23: There's a, what do you call it?

[4:40:49] Voice 23: The round table, then there's a task force,

[4:40:52] Voice 23: there's the HGPC, and there's the commission

[4:40:55] Voice 23: or whatever it is.

[4:40:56] Voice 23: I get confused sometimes with who's doing what

[4:40:59] Voice 23: or who is who is who.

[4:41:02] Voice 23: So the

[4:41:04] Voice 24: temporary

[4:41:07] Voice 23: round table then is that work

[4:41:10] Voice 23: that trustee rogers was talking about framing up sort of the approach to it right that's my

[4:41:16] Voice 23: understanding and then that would be then followed by a task force and that's the 10-year project

[4:41:24] Voice 23: part of this task force but then and they would be working with the local trust committee and with

[4:41:33] Voice 23: the other parties over all of these other and the prioritization of what occurs would be determined

[4:41:40] Voice 23: by the local trust committee or who?

[4:41:43] Planner Zupanec: Well, the strategic plan that would be developed

[4:41:46] Planner Zupanec: would have to be endorsed by all the partners.

[4:41:49] Planner Zupanec: So you would have

[4:41:50] Planner Zupanec: the opportunity to weigh in

[4:41:51] Planner Zupanec: on the strategic plan and the stated outcomes

[4:41:56] Planner Zupanec: that you have jurisdiction over in comparison

[4:41:59] Planner Zupanec: with the stated outcomes for other partners

[4:42:03] Planner Zupanec: and see that there's

[4:42:05] Planner Zupanec: some dovetailing of these things.

[4:42:07] Planner Zupanec: So if you don't do your part,

[4:42:08] Planner Zupanec: that might impact another agency's area of interest or responsibility to further the housing the

[4:42:15] Planner Zupanec: ecology biodiversity and water um puzzle pieces so at any point the ltc of course can say you know

[4:42:23] Planner Zupanec: what we're just we're not going to be able to do this yeah and

[4:42:26] Planner Zupanec: that could hinder the the success of

[4:42:29] Planner Zupanec: the project if any one partner isn't going to participate in doing that piece of the puzzle

[4:42:34] Planner Zupanec: that they're they've been identified as having jurisdiction over yeah

[4:42:38] Voice 23: um yeah and there's a

[4:42:41] Voice 23: cultural heritage issue in all of this too in terms of all well

[4:42:46] Trustee Rogers: and here and here's the here's

[4:42:49] Trustee Rogers: the challenge of all this i mean it's very it's a very great esoteric conversation and but trying

[4:42:54] Trustee Rogers: to figure out a practical way forward is the task force is focused on a few things i mean it's it's

[4:43:00] Trustee Rogers: not it's not focused on everything but it is focused on a lot of things um and those are the

[4:43:06] Trustee Rogers: things that we they've been identified as as crucial but um um may not focus for example on

[4:43:14] Trustee Rogers: an active transportation plan although it might um and then you would presumably they would come

[4:43:19] Trustee Rogers: up with recommendations a strategic plan and and they would say okay in this dynamic for nation

[4:43:23] Trustee Rogers: you've got to do this and the rdn you've got to do this and the local trust committee you've got

[4:43:27] Trustee Rogers: got to do that and the trust council we need you to do this whereas the ocp potentially could look

[4:43:36] Trustee Rogers: at everything and and you know you may very well get and it may very well be the task force in a

[4:43:42] Trustee Rogers: year and a half comes to the or comes where the round table comes to us in eight months and says

[4:43:47] Trustee Rogers: you know what you need to do an ocp review because you're you have these gaping holes now that would

[4:43:53] Trustee Rogers: be some of the work that we might have to do if we start with the ocp at the beginning in the sense

[4:43:59] Trustee Rogers: that somebody's already looked at where the gaps are and they've done a gap analysis and sort of

[4:44:04] Trustee Rogers: made some recommendations but we you know and so some of the work of of of an ocp review in terms

[4:44:10] Trustee Rogers: of sort of looking at all that might have already been done so we might be farther down the line so

[4:44:14] Trustee Rogers: there might not be a a um a waste i was thinking that there might be sort of we've lost eight

[4:44:21] Trustee Rogers: eight months but maybe not because the task force or the ground people may have identified a bunch

[4:44:25] Trustee Rogers: of stuff for us and i wonder you know i'm as i said i'm a little skeptical about funding for a

[4:44:32] Trustee Rogers: multi-year project that from the trust council unless i misread the trust council um but uh

[4:44:39] Trustee Rogers: and you may be able but you may be able to find other funding sources for it right maybe the

[4:44:44] Trustee Rogers: province thinks this is a brilliant idea and says we're going to pony up x amount of dollars every

[4:44:49] Trustee Rogers: we're here for this or the RDN says we're going to if the problem matches that but I wonder if

[4:44:55] Trustee Rogers: it might be where I just don't want to I hear trustee Colburn's frustration that he said it

[4:45:01] Trustee Rogers: I want to say for a year but maybe longer that what we really need to do is an OCP review and

[4:45:08] Trustee Rogers: I know you talked about when we were talking about the um um what were we calling about it

[4:45:15] Trustee Rogers: it wasn't the the the protected spaces it was the um the project that we shelved um

[4:45:24] Voice 7: you

[4:45:25] Trustee Rogers: said what we really need to do is go back and do an ocp and and fair enough absolutely right

[4:45:31] Trustee Rogers: you've said that about a few things as we've been going along this is we shouldn't be doing this

[4:45:35] Trustee Rogers: here we should be doing an oscar so i guess the question i have is for you planners if you have

[4:45:40] Trustee Rogers: have any great ideas and so with and i'm also conscious five after four but this is a very

[4:45:45] Trustee Rogers: important conversation because it's going to sort of set the tone for the next year of what we ask

[4:45:51] Trustee Rogers: people in the community to do and what we what we work on is what do we want to do how do we move

[4:45:57] Trustee Rogers: this work forward uh in a way that makes some sense is it asking i mean i even hate to wait

[4:46:05] Trustee Rogers: If this is going to lead to an OCP review, I hate to wait until the budget approved in March of 2022, because that's seven to eight months from now.

[4:46:15] Trustee Rogers: Should we be working on something to get some of these recommendations together or this process going even earlier?

[4:46:22] Trustee Rogers: But I don't know how

[4:46:22] Trustee Rogers: to do that, given that I think we've probably blown our project budget barrier by adding an extra $4,000 into the first project we've already approved.

[4:46:38] Trustee Rogers: I mean, we've sort of pushed the envelope a little bit with that.

[4:46:42] Trustee Rogers: I haven't got any pushback, I should tell you, like zero.

[4:46:45] Trustee Rogers: So I'm confident we're going to be okay with it.

[4:46:48] Trustee Rogers: so um but you know we've sort of pushed the project barrier budget barrier a little bit

[4:46:54] Trustee Rogers: already but so we're setting ourselves up for next year i guess is the reality um so what's

[4:47:01] Trustee Rogers: the best thing what's our best objective if march 15th has occurred and trust council has approved

[4:47:07] Trustee Rogers: the money what do we want it to go to because trustee colburn and i and trustee langaris have

[4:47:15] Trustee Rogers: come and admit a compelling case that gabriel is desperately need of all of this and you should

[4:47:21] Trustee Rogers: really invest in this community and make it happen because this is the work we want to do and it's

[4:47:26] Trustee Rogers: and it is inspirational and aspirational and important work so what do we want them to approve

[4:47:33] Trustee Rogers: um we don't forget the money for a moment what do we what is conceptually what we want them to

[4:47:38] Trustee Rogers: overall

[4:47:39] Voice 23: or just like for me the this is my brother what i i sort of envision is that we could move

[4:47:47] Voice 23: forward to deal with forestry issues and the water issues in can in tandem with sunamo first nation

[4:47:56] Voice 23: and the island trust conservancy look at what we can do on the island to set this sort of framework

[4:48:03] Voice 23: work on that as the first step that would be my druthers and would

[4:48:08] Voice 29: the ocp and lub's need to be

[4:48:10] Voice 29: oh yeah they would they would be that would be right to make it real you'd have to have those

[4:48:16] Trustee Colbourne: opened up and yeah

[4:48:17] Voice 23: yeah yeah so

[4:48:19] Trustee Colbourne: you know the process the process those are the partners you

[4:48:22] Trustee Colbourne: want to work with and i would include the rdn there as well and that's exactly what kind of

[4:48:25] Trustee Colbourne: we have in front of us which is a you know a task force to kind of do some of that preliminary work

[4:48:31] Trustee Colbourne: I'll also point out that the social needs assessment talked about that is sort of a precursor to funding down the road and housing is already being identified within that so there may be other funding sources for that kind of collaborative project.

[4:48:44] Voice 29: And it would

[4:48:44] Voice 23: be incorporating indigenous knowledge as well.

[4:48:47] Voice 23: Yeah, I

[4:48:48] Voice 23: mean, informing how we deal with forests, you know, and they would, that would impact upon cultural heritage as well I would think they would introduce that.

[4:48:58] Voice 21: yeah

[4:48:58] Voice 23: yeah and here's

[4:48:59] Trustee Rogers: part and here and i know we're talking a little bit and now i'm really

[4:49:03] Trustee Rogers: i'm wishing it was two o'clock and we could do this for hours but it i mean i'm really now

[4:49:09] Trustee Rogers: how frustrating it is because even even within the trust we've got a bunch of stuff happening right

[4:49:14] Trustee Rogers: but the

[4:49:15] Trustee Rogers: water project going on right and you know that's at various stages on various parts

[4:49:21] Trustee Rogers: of the islands right we've got the the forestry and the coastal douglas fir but we've also got

[4:49:25] Trustee Rogers: the forestry projects going on and we all and and those are getting more or less traction depending

[4:49:31] Trustee Rogers: on where we go we've got we've got some of the work uh on some islands related to housing going

[4:49:36] Trustee Rogers: on we've got ecosystem protect we now have an ecosystem um an endangered species coordinator

[4:49:43] Trustee Rogers: with the uh with the but but it's hard to pull them all together um and bring and that's really

[4:49:51] Trustee Rogers: what our frustration is is we want to find a way to pull all those things together and sort

[4:49:55] Trustee Rogers: of bring this as and i hear christy longer

[4:49:58] Trustee Rogers: so you'd like it to be uh almost well not exclusively

[4:50:01] Trustee Rogers: but from an ecological protection point of view ecosystem protection point of view and i think

[4:50:06] Trustee Rogers: we all agree on that yeah and then later on some of the societal issues because we saw from the

[4:50:11] Trustee Rogers: poverty reduction strategy um a report that we just saw is a very clear identification that

[4:50:17] Trustee Rogers: you know that the zoning and bylaws related to housing makes a difference to how how accessible

[4:50:23] Trustee Rogers: housing is and so that's our role that's our job and that's what we do and so how do we bring all

[4:50:30] Trustee Rogers: these things together and that's i know what this the the housing advisory planning commission has

[4:50:35] Trustee Rogers: been thinking about and good for them they they've given it some great thought and they do some

[4:50:40] Trustee Rogers: amazingly smart there's this amazingly smart people so how do we honor that work even if you

[4:50:46] Trustee Rogers: don't agree with all of it how do we honor that work and the vision that they have uh in a way

[4:50:51] Trustee Rogers: that that uh will move the the pieces down the board and i think that's exactly what planner

[4:50:57] Trustee Rogers: zupanich is talking about is and that's what this proposal is proposing but it doesn't have to be

[4:51:02] Trustee Rogers: that but it could but it should be something to move that process and

[4:51:06] Trustee Colbourne: i'll remove an agenda item

[4:51:08] Trustee Colbourne: from later because i did put forward i i chair rogers you know you and and and trustee critchley

[4:51:15] Trustee Colbourne: kind of did have a notice of intent for a motion and gave people so that's kind of do with the

[4:51:19] Trustee Colbourne: OCP because we've also got public engagement you know going on all these different things

[4:51:24] Trustee Colbourne: and the policy statement is going to be an intensification of public engagement and a lot

[4:51:28] Trustee Colbourne: of that feedback is going to come in and in the policy statement the water is water section is

[4:51:32] Trustee Colbourne: about this long and then you've but a lot of the feedback is going to actually feed into what the

[4:51:36] Trustee Colbourne: OCP and what the land use bylaws are so you know as we're getting all this public feedback it'd be

[4:51:42] Trustee Colbourne: good to sort of say well this should go in the ocp and this goes in the policy statement to do this

[4:51:46] Trustee Colbourne: like in a way all 21 official community plans should be opened in with all these different

[4:51:53] Trustee Colbourne: crises going on and we should take a pause on the you know responding to developer um

[4:52:01] Trustee Colbourne: needs and and um really kind of get at some of the conservation things and the and the and the um

[4:52:07] Trustee Colbourne: um but it is four o'clock 4 12 so for purposes

[4:52:12] Trustee Colbourne: of of moving forward um i'm going to kind of ground

[4:52:16] Trustee Colbourne: my work in the in the in the community in the community process we've had so far and if it's

[4:52:21] Trustee Colbourne: okay as a chair i'll move that the gabriel and local trust committee request staff to prepare

[4:52:25] Trustee Colbourne: a draft business case for ltc consideration for submission to the island's trust financial

[4:52:28] Trustee Colbourne: planning committee by september 2021 for a new multi-year land use planning program based on

[4:52:35] Trustee Colbourne: on the June 7th, 2021 outline by the HAPC

[4:52:38] Trustee Colbourne: to replace the housing options and impacts review project

[4:52:41] Trustee Colbourne: with biocultural housing diversity programs

[4:52:43] Trustee Colbourne: specifically designed to increase the islands

[4:52:44] Trustee Colbourne: biodiversity housing diversity and fresh water production

[4:52:46] Trustee Colbourne: over the next 10 years with the following elements A and B

[4:52:50] Trustee Colbourne: as presented.

[4:52:52] Trustee Rogers: Before I ask for a second or that,

[4:52:54] Trustee Rogers: I just wanna ask planners,

[4:52:56] Trustee Rogers: did I hear something early on in this discussion

[4:53:00] Trustee Rogers: that September, 2021 was not possible anymore?

[4:53:05] Trustee Rogers: I did

[4:53:06] Trustee Colbourne: pause when I read that I wasn't sure yeah

[4:53:08] Planner Zupanec: thanks for catching that because I'm actually not

[4:53:11] Planner Zupanec: sure what date uh their meeting is and I would not be able to if it's you know early mid-September

[4:53:19] Planner Zupanec: we just don't have the capacity in-house to have something prepared for them

[4:53:23] Planner Zupanec: I think

[4:53:25] Trustee Rogers: October is fine for the financial planning I'm just looking at the FPC meets in

[4:53:31] Trustee Rogers: on our meeting oh no sorry i'm wrong uh our meeting is um september 9th

[4:53:41] Voice 23: 9th yeah and then

[4:53:43] Trustee Rogers: october 21st which is the day after fpc oh no but fpc meets again on november the 10th

[4:53:50] Trustee Rogers: so it could make it into an fpc yeah that's

[4:53:56] Planner Zupanec: far more doable based on the resources that we have

[4:54:00] Planner Zupanec: have available this summer and fall.

[4:54:04] Voice 23: So this would come back to the,

[4:54:07] Voice 23: you would do the proposal and then come back

[4:54:09] Voice 23: to the trust committee and then

[4:54:12] Voice 23: submit to support it.

[4:54:15] Voice 23: And then it goes to financial planning committee.

[4:54:18] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, correct.

[4:54:19] Planner Zupanec: And then you have the option of referring it

[4:54:21] Planner Zupanec: to the housing advisory planning commission,

[4:54:23] Planner Zupanec: if you wish for comments,

[4:54:24] Planner Zupanec: I can do that before it comes to you.

[4:54:27] Planner Zupanec: That could be part of the direction,

[4:54:30] Planner Zupanec: although they you know they've already formulated a lot of the details that would form part of the

[4:54:35] Planner Zupanec: plan so i don't know that they would need to see it beforehand um you could just be the

[4:54:43] Planner Zupanec: the eyes on it before it goes to fpc so

[4:54:47] Voice 23: late in the october ltc meeting then it would come back

[4:54:51] Voice 23: to the local trust committee with whatever is developed so we'd have an opportunity to see

[4:54:56] Voice 23: because i'm quite frank i'm not keen on this 10-year project to be quite honest i think that's

[4:55:01] Voice 23: too long yeah

[4:55:02] Trustee Rogers: and i well and i've expressed my concern about so

[4:55:05] Voice 23: i i i'm willing to you know if

[4:55:07] Voice 23: we can continue with the voluntary density program i'm willing to see what comes up at the october

[4:55:13] Voice 23: meeting that's but but i you know i have my reservations about it and you know a number of

[4:55:19] Voice 23: other issues but that's where i sort of stand at this point in time your

[4:55:24] Trustee Rogers: reservations are noted

[4:55:25] Trustee Rogers: uh yeah as as as uh and um but you know uh i the work is is an important work and i think

[4:55:36] Trustee Rogers: the planner has heard all of our considerations today is as uh um as the work is carried out and

[4:55:43] Trustee Rogers: and if we bring up a business case that makes sense we'll see where it goes so i i did it did

[4:55:49] Trustee Rogers: i get you that you seconded that motion then uh with the with the change to it reading uh

[4:55:56] Trustee Rogers: October, 2021, not September.

[4:55:58] Voice 23: I'll second it.

[4:56:00] Voice 23: Actually one comment I've got too is in this,

[4:56:03] Voice 23: at the last meeting,

[4:56:05] Voice 23: I said I would meet with Diane Dunsmuir-Farley and I did.

[4:56:08] Voice 23: We didn't have a long discussion,

[4:56:10] Voice 23: but I came out with a couple key points that she said

[4:56:15] Voice 23: was there in the report that to me, wasn't apparent.

[4:56:18] Voice 23: One is that they recognize that the community said

[4:56:21] Voice 23: they want a density decrease overall.

[4:56:23] Voice 23: all you know the 53 percent and that was their their approach would be consistent with that so

[4:56:29] Voice 23: that's sort of a thread that needs to be in whatever is put forward in whatever group is

[4:56:35] Voice 23: you know the the task force or whatever and what we have to look at is because if we're moving

[4:56:40] Voice 23: forward on the survey and the results of the survey that was one of the key things and i for

[4:56:47] Voice 23: me when i read it i didn't read it in the survey result or the report that it was there but she

[4:56:53] Voice 23: said that was you know they were they recognized that that would be part of it so that was uh

[4:56:58] Voice 23: can i just

[4:56:59] Trustee Rogers: clarify because we've talked about this a few times my understanding of that is

[4:57:03] Trustee Rogers: when you say density you mean potential then um you don't know

[4:57:08] Trustee Rogers: going from the 4200 current

[4:57:10] Trustee Rogers: residents down to 3800 you mean that there's a potential build-out of 6300 and that people

[4:57:16] Trustee Rogers: would like to see a lower number than that

[4:57:18] Voice 23: yeah my calculation is 84 but yeah well whatever the

[4:57:23] Trustee Rogers: number yeah yeah yeah but they want to see a whatever the low they want they would like to

[4:57:27] Trustee Rogers: see not as great an increase uh the potential bill an

[4:57:31] Trustee Rogers: absolute decrease from right now that's

[4:57:33] Trustee Rogers: the way i've always read the report

[4:57:34] Voice 23: yeah yeah it's uh that there would be no growth management i mean

[4:57:40] Voice 23: the term growth management you have to sort of define what you mean by that and i got confused

[4:57:44] Voice 23: in that report but is

[4:57:46] Trustee Rogers: there another thing from your discussion from her that you've got oh no

[4:57:49] Trustee Rogers: know if

[4:57:50] Voice 23: oh that there that there was no what's the term called now when you adjust data based on

[4:57:59] Voice 23: a difference in oh I forgot the term it's a survey calculation where you've got a

[4:58:07] Voice 23: one group highly represented and a lower a smaller group represented you adjust the data

[4:58:14] Voice 23: based on the difference in like for men and women reporting on a survey there's an adjustment

[4:58:21] Voice 23: factor anyway it was mentioned twice it wasn't it wasn't actually you she said it was uh and so

[4:58:27] Voice 23: it's just miswording and uh so um we didn't get through all of it but we got just a couple things

[4:58:34] Voice 23: and okay okay okay one

[4:58:36] Trustee Colbourne: so we got a point yeah go ahead i just wanted i just wanted to see if if

[4:58:41] if

[4:58:41] Trustee Colbourne: there would be some opportunity, because, you know, we don't want to break that kind of rule,

[4:58:48] Trustee Colbourne: no work about us without us, but is there an opportunity before we get to the decision-making

[4:58:53] Trustee Colbourne: phase, and I'm glad it's coming back to us for some of the reasons that Trustee Langer says as

[4:58:57] Trustee Colbourne: well, is there an opportunity to connect with Sinewik First Nation and Regional District of

[4:59:01] Trustee Colbourne: Nanaimoa and the Islands Trust Conservancy around being an interest in participating or where it

[4:59:07] Trustee Colbourne: might meet some of their goals or so that they sort of um we get some sense of of participation

[4:59:13] Trustee Colbourne: in the earliest formation of this um or are we going to kind of say that this is what it looks

[4:59:19] Trustee Colbourne: like and then go to them later what at what point we'll be talking to them

[4:59:22] Voice 23: i i would hope it would

[4:59:24] Voice 23: be sooner than later as well because the report here said september we couldn't do it because you

[4:59:29] Voice 23: know getting the contact but if we're looking at october you know at least to get indication that

[4:59:34] Voice 23: the rdn the island trust conservancy and sunemu you would want to participate and

[4:59:40] Trustee Colbourne: we could have

[4:59:40] Trustee Colbourne: staff to staff and and elected official to elected official conversations along those lines i think

[4:59:45] Trustee Rogers: that was a question for the planner too yeah

[4:59:47] Trustee Colbourne: yeah so

[4:59:49] Planner Zupanec: originally the hapc had recommended

[4:59:52] Planner Zupanec: exactly that is that the first phase of this what would be to to have a

[5:00:00] Planner Zupanec: opportunity to discuss this with the potential stakeholders to inform the business case

[5:00:04] Planner Zupanec: yeah

[5:00:05] Voice 24: and

[5:00:07] Planner Zupanec: i'm drawing a blank um i think there's reference of it in the report as to why that we

[5:00:13] Planner Zupanec: that was not recommended uh even though ultimately that's exactly what needs to happen is the

[5:00:20] Planner Zupanec: business case could be informed by the partner's input um so i see rpm cowers joined us so maybe

[5:00:27] Planner Zupanec: she remembers why i had to take that out yeah

[5:00:32] Voice 18: that was actually my recommendation because um

[5:00:35] Voice 18: because getting partners together and communicating with partners is work by staff that has to be done

[5:00:43] Voice 18: that we don't even know is going to be funded yet um so the business case is the funding for

[5:00:50] Voice 18: the project and um and and presumably we aren't working on the project until it gets funded

[5:01:00] Trustee Rogers: that's how the product so let me be clear about can i just follow up on that if i could just

[5:01:05] Trustee Rogers: before we get too far down this rabbit hole the business case is how you convince the trust to

[5:01:10] Trustee Rogers: fund something it

[5:01:12] Trustee Rogers: sort of lays out the not the actual work plan uh it is the here's what we'd

[5:01:18] Trustee Rogers: like to do uh here's what we think it's going to look like and here's who we'd like to work with

[5:01:24] Trustee Rogers: and here's what we think it's going to cost and and can you give us a lot of money for this and

[5:01:31] Trustee Rogers: if they say yes then they go away and define the terms of reference the people they work it out

[5:01:36] Trustee Rogers: the work plan with the other folks it doesn't mean you don't show it to your potential partners

[5:01:40] Trustee Rogers: beforehand but i

[5:01:42] Trustee Rogers: would think you would not want to go through despite what um i'm sorry

[5:01:47] Trustee Rogers: former uh former trustee ference i think she was a trustee wasn't she uh uh

[5:01:52] Trustee Rogers: said i don't think we

[5:01:55] Trustee Rogers: can do a full community consultation on a business case particularly when we have time frames that

[5:02:00] Trustee Rogers: are are before us we've we've got our report so anyway that's my take on it anyway

[5:02:05] Voice 21: yeah there's

[5:02:06] Trustee Colbourne: a lot of community consultation that led to it but um and and sometimes you rpm car you're talking

[5:02:12] Trustee Colbourne: about staff to staff and and there could be an opportunity here at the political level as well

[5:02:16] Trustee Colbourne: well and again this this does dovetail into the social needs assessment and some of the funding

[5:02:20] Trustee Colbourne: work that that's a precursor to so um yeah i i i would feel very comfortable um i would hope that

[5:02:29] Trustee Colbourne: there'd be some discussions leading as many as possible let's just put it that way

[5:02:33] Trustee Rogers: okay so we've

[5:02:35] Trustee Rogers: gone uh we've got a motion that's been seconded uh that with amendment that slight amendment is

[5:02:42] Trustee Rogers: the motion that's on our paper is there any further discussion from trustees before i call it

[5:02:46] Trustee Rogers: uh

[5:02:48] Voice 4: no okay

[5:02:49] Trustee Rogers: so i'll call the vote all in favor so that there's two are you voting against trustee

[5:02:55] Trustee Rogers: uh

[5:02:55] Voice 23: yes i am yeah yeah okay because

[5:02:58] Voice 23: the term yeah okay

[5:03:00] Trustee Rogers: um okay that's fine so that's is there

[5:03:06] Trustee Rogers: anything else on this trustee link to colburn did you want to discuss this issue of uh of short-term

[5:03:12] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, vacation rentals or certain tps etc and your motion that was defeated or at the during the continuation of the action consideration of the actual.

[5:03:24] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, tp application.

[5:03:26] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, know

[5:03:28] Trustee Colbourne: it's if it's a discrete project happening now out of context with the rest of the work i'd prefer that it would.

[5:03:36] Trustee Colbourne: you know i i did want to raise the issue of whether or not it could be something that could

[5:03:40] Trustee Colbourne: be done in the short term but you know it's there's a high barrier for um that decision

[5:03:47] Trustee Colbourne: and we saw that today so um that's that's part of the reason i put forward the motion in the

[5:03:50] Trustee Colbourne: first place is whether or not there's a mechanism to defer that until this work is done

[5:03:54] Voice 21: um

[5:03:55] Trustee Colbourne: but i i

[5:03:56] Trustee Colbourne: don't see it as a discrete project if that makes sense because it doesn't have the impact of a

[5:04:00] Trustee Colbourne: voluntary density reduction.

[5:04:03] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to read another part of the memo that I got from

[5:04:10] Trustee Rogers: Director Marler about because I also asked him the question can we pass a moratorium on

[5:04:18] Trustee Rogers: TUP's SDDRs and he says the Local Government Act requires the LTC consider all land use

[5:04:24] Trustee Rogers: applications if the LTC is working on a new polo direction they can advise that is likely not going

[5:04:30] Trustee Rogers: to consider issues of any new periods for a specific time until the completion of that project

[5:04:35] Trustee Rogers: the idea is the issuance of such a permit could conflict with the upcoming policy

[5:04:39] Trustee Rogers: while the ltc must consider all applications there is no time limit on doing so the ltc could defer a

[5:04:45] Trustee Rogers: decision to a later date regardless there is no requirement for the local trust committee to issue

[5:04:50] Trustee Rogers: any temporary use permit so just so you know that because i was a little confused because we put a

[5:04:57] Trustee Rogers: moratorium on TUPs on Galliano on new TUPs. And then I

[5:05:02] Trustee Rogers: understood planning staff in the northern office to say, well,

[5:05:05] Trustee Rogers: you can't do that. It's it's somewhere in the in that gray

[5:05:08] Trustee Rogers: middle ground is you can't really but you can, if you get

[5:05:12] Trustee Rogers: my drift,

[5:05:12] Trustee Colbourne: that was the most to defer until the until the issue

[5:05:16] Trustee Colbourne: has been changed in the OCP or the process.

[5:05:18] Voice 23: If there's a project live on that specific topic, I can

[5:05:22] Voice 23: understand that. Yeah,

[5:05:29] Trustee Rogers: you're muted.

[5:05:30] Trustee Rogers: Mayor

[5:05:31] Voice 21: Mrakas, In myself again.

[5:05:34] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, You guys can consider how you'd like to address that going forward, but in the meantime.

[5:05:40] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Is there anything else on the housing options or impacts review project, I see miners infinite just left us so i'm going to assume she has nothing more to say.

[5:05:50] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Anything else we trustees i'm not seeing anything.

[5:05:53] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Then let's go on, we have no delegation, but we have a couple of pieces of correspondence.

[5:05:59] Trustee Rogers: One from Mr. Colford, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, who is about a pathway, which I read, from Dengen Bay to Maple Lane.

[5:06:10] Trustee Rogers: Do trustees wish to do anything related to that?

[5:06:13] Voice 23: No, I've actually been in contact with the National Marine Protection Program.

[5:06:18] Voice 23: And in fact, I mentioned some of the comments that was made about what was happening in Dengen Bay with Moorage.

[5:06:26] Voice 23: and they actually they've responded and asked me to provide some pictures and maybe some more

[5:06:31] Voice 23: information so it's a it may be active in terms of they're responding to the moorage and anchorage

[5:06:39] Voice 23: issues but it's not related to the uh the walkway okay

[5:06:45] Trustee Rogers: yeah and i was reading it and i couldn't

[5:06:47] Trustee Rogers: picture it but i it seemed more to be a moorage issue or water issue marine issue than anything

[5:06:52] Trustee Rogers: anything else so we'll just receive that unless there's something else trustees want to do with

[5:06:57] Trustee Rogers: that I

[5:06:58] Trustee Colbourne: responded to the letter writer as well and received some more information so um there

[5:07:04] Trustee Colbourne: part of this goes back to one of the earlier decisions we had regarding uh or his last term

[5:07:09] Trustee Colbourne: as well regarding a community doc that has uh has having commercial operations as well there's been

[5:07:15] Trustee Colbourne: an intensification of use uh of that laneway and and and and merge area uh it's it's there's a lot

[5:07:22] Trustee Colbourne: more people using it than we're two two three years ago that's that's very clear so i'm happy

[5:07:27] Trustee Colbourne: to hear that trustee andreas has done some outreach there and i'd love to hear more about that yeah

[5:07:32] Trustee Colbourne: okay

[5:07:33] Trustee Rogers: if if there's something you think the ltc should do you should flag it for um for the

[5:07:38] Trustee Rogers: planners or myself and then if there is we can try to figure out a way yeah okay uh we received

[5:07:47] Trustee Rogers: received the comments from Mr. McPhee and his delegation, sorry, not his delegation,

[5:07:53] Trustee Rogers: his petition. Do you think there's anything we need to do? He sort of asked us that we,

[5:08:00] Trustee Rogers: I think he sort of, what his ask was, was that we forward the correspondence on to the

[5:08:05] Trustee Rogers: developers. That's what I understood, but maybe the developer is already well aware of this.

[5:08:11] Voice 23: I think he was passing, he was going to take it to them and he was passing it on to us,

[5:08:16] Voice 23: So be on the public record is on our website about the issue.

[5:08:20] Voice 23: And I think he was trying to raise the profile of it, but through this,

[5:08:25] Voice 23: that was my take on it.

[5:08:26] Trustee Rogers: I think I was quite serious with it when I said,

[5:08:30] Trustee Rogers: I think coming from the public is probably more effective than coming from

[5:08:34] Trustee Rogers: us. And I, but I mean, I, I could,

[5:08:40] Trustee Rogers: we could pass it on on his behalf,

[5:08:42] Trustee Rogers: but I would expect he's probably all you've done.

[5:08:44] Trustee Rogers: is there any action the other trustee thinks we need to take on their list no no okay uh thanks

[5:08:50] Trustee Rogers: then we'll move on we've got okay so now we have the island trust policy statement engagement for

[5:08:55] Trustee Rogers: discussion um and i just want to point out before we have this discussion you go a little later in

[5:09:01] Trustee Rogers: the agenda page 139 i included i asked to be included there are the um uh the the five pages

[5:09:09] Trustee Rogers: of documents, four pages of documents

[5:09:12] Trustee Rogers: from the trust itself.

[5:09:15] Trustee Rogers: One is the decisions item,

[5:09:18] Trustee Rogers: decision items from the July 8th meeting.

[5:09:22] Trustee Rogers: And the other is just a report on that meeting

[5:09:25] Trustee Rogers: and who to write to.

[5:09:28] Trustee Rogers: And so trustees over to you.

[5:09:32] Trustee Rogers: I know that you reported slightly out

[5:09:34] Trustee Rogers: in Trustee Longer's eyes at the beginning of the meeting.

[5:09:36] Trustee Rogers: so I'm going to let Trustee Colburn speak to this item right now if you'd like to.

[5:09:41] Trustee Colbourne: Well I would like an update from the Executive Committee in terms of what other engagement.

[5:09:46] Trustee Colbourne: My concern here is that we've got you know all these engagement things kind of blossoming out

[5:09:51] Trustee Colbourne: and I also wasn't able to and at some point they have to feed back into the document itself

[5:09:58] Trustee Colbourne: and it's if it's a politicized process you've got trustees and I appreciate Trustee Langeris

[5:10:03] Trustee Colbourne: saying earlier you know i i'm doing a document but i'm not putting any sort of like him providing

[5:10:08] Trustee Colbourne: the facts which i think is a is a good information thing but in the end it has to feed back into it

[5:10:14] Trustee Colbourne: somehow which means staff is involved who are involved in the process and we don't because

[5:10:18] Trustee Colbourne: what's happened on other islands has been informal process trustees have been invited to attend

[5:10:23] Trustee Colbourne: community events they've gone either have or have not been able to answer questions and they go to

[5:10:27] Trustee Colbourne: staff and ask those questions but there's no one there to sort of monitor or to get that feedback

[5:10:32] Trustee Colbourne: back. And that's not how community engagement works at a professional level. So I just want

[5:10:36] Trustee Colbourne: to have some clarification in terms of what's, what's the engagement is going to come from the

[5:10:40] Trustee Colbourne: trust. There's an expectation that trustees are going to do some engagement. I talked about some

[5:10:44] Trustee Colbourne: of the things that I'm looking at doing, which is being at the farmer's market, responding to

[5:10:47] Trustee Colbourne: invitations for events, including from Sustainable Gabriola. So I know Trustee Langeras attended a

[5:10:53] Trustee Colbourne: meeting that I couldn't this weekend. So I look forward to hearing from that. And then basically

[5:10:57] Trustee Colbourne: just trying to make sure that we're not having 26 different things none of which feeds back into the

[5:11:03] Trustee Colbourne: actual document also i put forward an intent of motion around the ocp for reasons that why we got

[5:11:08] Trustee Colbourne: into that last discussion we're going to see a lot of feedback you know it'd be nice to capture it

[5:11:13] Trustee Colbourne: for the different layering regulations that we have you know and so um some of the things that

[5:11:20] Trustee Colbourne: you know haven't been mentioned that are in there that uh end of life you know the community

[5:11:24] Trustee Colbourne: cemetery has sort of reached its capacity we've had a submission from mary and gary hold grapher

[5:11:30] Trustee Colbourne: and a community group who have done some research and some work into looking at end of life options

[5:11:34] Trustee Colbourne: there's also uh repatriation of remains of first nations and cultural heritage there's a lot of

[5:11:39] Trustee Colbourne: elements that go to an ocp review that might not be if they're captured in very broad terms

[5:11:43] Trustee Colbourne: in a policy statement but then when they get to the ocp you know we're going to be hearing a lot

[5:11:48] Trustee Colbourne: so how are we capturing that so i thought putting it forward an intent of motion to review the ocp

[5:11:53] Trustee Colbourne: would allow us to be able to capture some of this engagement so it's not simply going into

[5:11:57] Trustee Colbourne: somewhere that it doesn't end up so those are my thoughts i'd really like to hear what happened

[5:12:01] Trustee Colbourne: the sustainable gabriola meeting um because there's other and there are other um attempts or

[5:12:07] Trustee Colbourne: um you know people out there who are looking for engagement but i'm just trying to have some

[5:12:11] Trustee Colbourne: coordination to it yeah

[5:12:13] Voice 23: they changed the agenda i didn't i didn't attend they were just going to

[5:12:17] Voice 23: talk themselves about how they could support trustees this is what i was told you know

[5:12:21] Voice 23: in the rollout and they were talking about having some meetings uh in in the coming weeks with

[5:12:28] Voice 23: involvement with with the trustees and uh so that's that's what happens so i didn't i didn't

[5:12:35] Voice 23: attend deb ferens attended the meeting so she may know more i was told that but so but yeah my

[5:12:42] Voice 23: intention is to sort of go out i'm still working on it i've done one document i've got two more to

[5:12:47] Voice 23: to go and really what i'm trying to do is just provide some basically try to dispel some of the

[5:12:52] Voice 23: anxiety i think about what the changes are you know that you know because i mean i think that

[5:12:58] Voice 23: the uh the flash points has been desalination and and docks i mean i think that's sort of blown it

[5:13:04] Voice 23: up a lot and you know and so people have gotten are i think are suspicious that's a lot of other

[5:13:11] Voice 23: things that are being put in that they're not aware of. So in trying to show what's current,

[5:13:18] Voice 23: what's new, what's the wording changes. So you can see sometimes it's just strictly rephrasing

[5:13:24] Voice 23: of things. Other times it does change from a should to a shall, you know, and I tried to

[5:13:31] Voice 23: highlight that as well. So just trying to give basic information. This is the preliminary to

[5:13:36] Voice 23: the rollout as the trust as a whole going out to the community but at least what I'm trying to do

[5:13:42] Voice 23: just say here's this here's some information here's a way of just trying to pull apart this

[5:13:47] Voice 23: large document which has been restructured quite you know dramatically and it's hard to follow

[5:13:51] Voice 23: you know when you just read this whole new structure and it's not just a couple words

[5:13:55] Voice 23: here and there it's a rewording so trying to break it apart a bit in pieces so you can look at it and

[5:14:04] Voice 23: say okay what is this is these are all the directives these are the old directives how do

[5:14:11] Voice 23: they match you know what's the change something visual that they can see and then read and not

[5:14:17] Voice 23: and piece at a time come up with an understanding or their own you know interpretation i guess i

[5:14:24] Voice 23: mean sometimes wording changes is is you know changes interpretation and i try to avoid any

[5:14:32] Voice 23: the positional statements in the document all i'm trying to provide is just some information to give

[5:14:37] Voice 23: them something to start with that will then inform and as the motion said we have to then ask them to

[5:14:43] Voice 23: provide that information to islands trust 2050 so that's that's sort of the approach that i'm taking

[5:14:49] Voice 23: on this okay

[5:14:55] Trustee Rogers: well thanks for that i can give you a bit of an update um yes there's different things

[5:14:59] Trustee Rogers: things happening in different local trust committees.

[5:15:03] Trustee Rogers: I think people, if you go to the actual motion,

[5:15:06] Trustee Rogers: I think people, different trustees

[5:15:07] Trustee Rogers: have interpreted it differently.

[5:15:10] Trustee Rogers: You may recall that the motion was made

[5:15:12] Trustee Rogers: that to defer the request that the trustees take it out

[5:15:18] Trustee Rogers: to their communities by September

[5:15:23] Trustee Rogers: until there was a, I forget what the word was,

[5:15:27] Trustee Rogers: but I'm going to say a cohesive plan

[5:15:28] Trustee Rogers: that had been developed, but that was defeated.

[5:15:31] Trustee Rogers: And that was what was carried was that, where is it?

[5:15:37] Trustee Rogers: Trying to find it here.

[5:15:39] Trustee Rogers: Was that, sorry,

[5:15:47] Voice 19: there,

[5:15:51] Trustee Rogers: that asked trustees

[5:15:54] Trustee Rogers: to share the draft trial policy statement

[5:15:57] Trustee Rogers: with their local trust area constituents

[5:15:59] Trustee Rogers: between now and September.

[5:16:01] Trustee Rogers: I would share it between now and September.

[5:16:03] Trustee Rogers: and then ask the feedback to be provided to Islands 2050.

[5:16:09] Trustee Rogers: And so my interpretation is that is simply ask to get the information out

[5:16:15] Trustee Rogers: and ask people if they have comments to send it to this area.

[5:16:18] Trustee Rogers: But some trustees have taken this to mean they're going to have community meetings.

[5:16:21] Trustee Rogers: And so you go to, I know that on Main Island, for example,

[5:16:25] Trustee Rogers: they had two large community meetings out in the open

[5:16:29] Trustee Rogers: and took feedback and questions and information, et cetera, et cetera.

[5:16:33] Trustee Rogers: They may have done something similar on other islands where they've organized, you know, more or less formal issues.

[5:16:42] Trustee Rogers: But I think most trustees are taking it that they'll just do exactly what Trustee Colburn was talking about until there is a cohesive consultation campaign,

[5:16:53] Trustee Rogers: attempting effectively to get the draft policy out to the community.

[5:16:58] Trustee Rogers: um so here's what's going on at the uh at the executive committee in terms of this uh so uh

[5:17:09] Trustee Rogers: we did pass a motion which i don't have in front of me and i wish i did so i'm paraphrasing but

[5:17:15] Trustee Rogers: effectively our discussion was that we've authorized and and asked to take the steps to

[5:17:21] Trustee Rogers: engage a third-party consultant to come up to help with the strategy of in terms of developing

[5:17:28] Trustee Rogers: developing and implementing a consultation program.

[5:17:32] Trustee Rogers: I can tell you that from my discussions with the CAO,

[5:17:37] Trustee Rogers: they think they may have somebody

[5:17:38] Trustee Rogers: that they may have on board.

[5:17:41] Trustee Rogers: I mean, it's only been three weeks

[5:17:43] Trustee Rogers: and they hope to have something to propose to us next week

[5:17:46] Trustee Rogers: at our next EC meeting.

[5:17:48] Trustee Rogers: But the idea is that,

[5:17:50] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to take credit for this,

[5:17:52] Trustee Rogers: but here's my view of it is that if we,

[5:17:55] Trustee Rogers: if as the CAO said,

[5:17:59] Trustee Rogers: We thought we did a pretty fulsome engagement process, but the community has told us we didn't, and the community's right.

[5:18:07] Trustee Rogers: Whatever we thought, if they don't think that's what happened, then they're right.

[5:18:11] Trustee Rogers: We've got to do something a little different.

[5:18:13] Trustee Rogers: I said, if we do what we did, we'll get what we got, which is a lot of people that aren't happy with our engagement process.

[5:18:20] Trustee Rogers: We need to do something a little different.

[5:18:22] Trustee Rogers: We understand that it may look different on Gabriel and Salt Spring than it does in Gambier or Thedas.

[5:18:27] Trustee Rogers: um uh and so we need to create the correct resources uh to to provide that both the

[5:18:35] Trustee Rogers: materials and the um and the uh uh and the uh the outreach and the consultation process to make that

[5:18:44] Trustee Rogers: work i should tell you that um the the and this didn't come from the executive committee uh

[5:18:51] Trustee Rogers: originally, but the executive committee sort of, I'll say, bought into it, or at least

[5:18:58] Trustee Rogers: agreed in principle, is that there will probably be a proposal that the outreach and that the

[5:19:05] Trustee Rogers: proposed first reading be deferred until March rather than December. It just doesn't seem like

[5:19:13] Trustee Rogers: enough time to do the kind of consultation we're talking about. That hasn't been finalized,

[5:19:19] Trustee Rogers: but there'll probably be a suggestion that that that the trust council consider that and we looked

[5:19:25] Trustee Rogers: how that timeline would work in terms of uh the objective of this project and so um and it could

[5:19:33] Trustee Rogers: still work uh so um i should say the director of trust area services wasn't there at the ec last

[5:19:40] Trustee Rogers: week so we didn't get her input on that she was on vacation but uh we'll we'll this we had the cao

[5:19:46] Trustee Rogers: and the director of planning was sitting in for and so we'll see what the they say about that but

[5:19:51] Trustee Rogers: that there is a sense that we should not try and jam this too much um so that we we create enough

[5:19:59] Trustee Rogers: space to do it right and still create enough space to get what we need to get to so those are the

[5:20:05] Trustee Rogers: main things i can update you we should have as i said uh um at least some at the initial stages of

[5:20:11] Trustee Rogers: of a proposal to get some consultants in

[5:20:18] Trustee Rogers: to help with the drafting and the development of the plan

[5:20:20] Trustee Rogers: at our executive committee next week.

[5:20:23] Trustee Rogers: As I told you, we have a,

[5:20:24] Trustee Rogers: we've added an executive committee meeting

[5:20:26] Trustee Rogers: for September the 2nd that wasn't on our agenda.

[5:20:30] Trustee Rogers: And that's specifically to deal with,

[5:20:33] Trustee Rogers: because we all have another one on the 8th,

[5:20:36] Trustee Rogers: and specifically to deal with wherever we're at

[5:20:40] Trustee Rogers: and the development of the outreach program so we have enough time so that we can consider it

[5:20:45] Trustee Rogers: so that we can bring it to trust council on the 21st of september so that's the that's where we're

[5:20:52] Trustee Rogers: at since that special meeting any questions i'm happy to answer

[5:20:55] Trustee Colbourne: no from a professional

[5:20:57] Trustee Colbourne: communication standpoint you know the budget is always i've i've i have to kind of laugh at some

[5:21:02] Trustee Colbourne: of this because you know in the earlier stages we've talked about community engagement and there

[5:21:06] Trustee Colbourne: was a real pushback against doing it at all or doing it at a budget you've got 24 000 residents

[5:21:12] Trustee Colbourne: on islands you've got 26 000 coast salish peoples and first nations you've got you know a mandate

[5:21:18] Trustee Colbourne: that requires you to work in collaboration on behalf of all of british columbia so you know

[5:21:24] Trustee Colbourne: that's how how much is the how much is the budget is kind of the the question for me because the

[5:21:30] Trustee Colbourne: The Islands Trust budget, you know, this costs money to do it well.

[5:21:36] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I

[5:21:37] Trustee Rogers: mean, what do we have?

[5:21:39] Trustee Rogers: We had $22,000, and now we've allocated another $75,000.

[5:21:43] Trustee Rogers: It still is probably not nearly enough.

[5:21:46] Trustee Rogers: That's exactly where we're at, and it may be that we're going to be looking at that

[5:21:52] Trustee Rogers: or be looking to the province to try and help us with that.

[5:21:54] Trustee Rogers: I should say the other motion we passed, by the way, just so you know,

[5:21:59] Trustee Rogers: is we passed a motion at EC to allocate $15,000 up to up to $50,000 for capacity funding for

[5:22:09] Trustee Rogers: First Nations engagement on the press policy statement. And that that's, that's just capacity

[5:22:15] Trustee Rogers: funding for them. So for the First Nations, so that that was also a motion that was made and

[5:22:22] Trustee Rogers: and passed and you know you're absolutely right trustee colburn um you know we're trying to do

[5:22:30] Trustee Rogers: it i could get go on i still cannot in my mile to figure out why the trust council 10 years ago

[5:22:37] Trustee Rogers: turned down 275 000 in gas tax funding to do this uh and we're trying to do it on half of that

[5:22:45] Trustee Rogers: yeah 10 years later um i mean it's crazy so anyway but enough of that

[5:22:54] Trustee Rogers: anyway happy to answer any other questions but that's an update from anybody watching and that's

[5:22:58] Trustee Rogers: that's where we're at uh for the for the thing um more information coming i'll know more on next

[5:23:05] Trustee Rogers: wednesday on the fourth when we have our executive committee because i'm guessing that'll be

[5:23:09] Trustee Rogers: the main topic on the agenda because we have no bylaws or anything else to consider we just have

[5:23:15] Trustee Rogers: that so okay thanks very much uh did you say that you're going to reconsider or think about your 11.2

[5:23:25] Trustee Rogers: motion trustee culprit did i catch that yeah

[5:23:27] Trustee Colbourne: exactly i think it's tied up with some of my um

[5:23:30] Trustee Colbourne: the questions i had and i just want to be sure that i'm capturing some of the feedback we're

[5:23:34] Trustee Colbourne: getting in other engagements water subdivisions patterns of of development um i would strongly

[5:23:41] Trustee Rogers: I strongly

[5:23:41] Trustee Rogers: suggest you talk to Plana Zipanich

[5:23:44] Trustee Rogers: about drafting that message

[5:23:45] Trustee Rogers: because she's probably working with Denman

[5:23:46] Trustee Rogers: and she knows how to move these matters forward.

[5:23:54] Trustee Rogers: So yeah,

[5:23:54] Trustee Colbourne: I'm happy to help

[5:23:55] Trustee Rogers: if you want as well.

[5:23:56] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[5:23:57] Trustee Colbourne: I'm looking

[5:23:57] Trustee Rogers: for some community involvement.

[5:24:00] Trustee Rogers: 12.1, climate change action update.

[5:24:03] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything, I mean,

[5:24:04] Trustee Rogers: I mean, is there anything going on related to climate change?

[5:24:07] Trustee Rogers: Hardly anything in the world these days,

[5:24:09] Trustee Rogers: but uh is there anything about action steps that are taking place in your island you'd mentioned

[5:24:15] Trustee Rogers: the thousand trees and more in the fall anything else you'd like to bring to our attention

[5:24:19] Trustee Colbourne: uh no there's some there's some trust council level work uh the race to zero is leading into

[5:24:24] Trustee Colbourne: the next climate uh meeting um that's happening around targets and there's a regional approach

[5:24:31] Trustee Colbourne: that rural and remote communities can can adapt and get some funding through that so

[5:24:34] Trustee Colbourne: i just found out about this a couple days ago in the climate caucus meeting

[5:24:37] Trustee Colbourne: so i'll be doing some more research into that and seeing if the islands trust as a region

[5:24:41] Trustee Colbourne: i think it would be too onerous or um on on local trust areas or ltcs but it could be a regional

[5:24:48] Trustee Colbourne: project that's that's leading into the next sort of international uh conversations around climate

[5:24:54] Trustee Colbourne: targets and action actual action um

[5:24:57] Trustee Rogers: and i i assume you both know that the outreach from the province

[5:25:02] Trustee Rogers: on the climate action plan is is open until is it august 12th one of you probably knows as well as

[5:25:08] Trustee Rogers: i

[5:25:09] Voice 23: do it's

[5:25:10] Trustee Rogers: something like august something like

[5:25:12] Voice 23: that yeah so

[5:25:14] Trustee Rogers: they're they are seeking public

[5:25:16] Trustee Rogers: input yeah um uh we've talked a fair amount about first nations relationship building

[5:25:26] Trustee Rogers: um i know that we've always focused on our relationship with this name i i never really

[5:25:32] Trustee Rogers: I know we have other referral First Nations and I just don't know if we have are doing any

[5:25:36] Trustee Rogers: relationship building with any of the rest of them is that uh that the ones the other referral

[5:25:42] Trustee Rogers: nations that we have maybe we can talk about that sometime whether there's something else going on

[5:25:46] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[5:25:46] Trustee Colbourne: the standing resolution calls for an annual letter that goes to so that could be a conversation

[5:25:50] Trustee Colbourne: topic there and it's mostly related to Mudge and Dikorsi and some of the

[5:25:54] Trustee Colbourne: flat top islands um right

[5:25:56] Trustee Colbourne: and Leaxon and some of the other more southern nations oh

[5:25:59] Trustee Rogers: and by the way speaking of that

[5:26:01] Trustee Rogers: that um you guys assumed you heard about satarina island and and all of i don't i don't know if you

[5:26:12] Trustee Rogers: heard about it before it happened i don't know if you did or not um i didn't and uh i uh i

[5:26:20] Trustee Rogers: investigated a fair amount about it and um because i was a little concerned that there was this

[5:26:26] Trustee Rogers: dedication of an island that we didn't know about that was in our local trust area

[5:26:31] Trustee Rogers: and uh that involves the islands trust conservancy because they're going to be the so just so you

[5:26:36] Trustee Rogers: know and one of the reasons i bring up in this section is because my understanding is there was

[5:26:41] Trustee Rogers: a representative of the tsunami first nations there as from their council that was there for

[5:26:46] Trustee Rogers: part of this process um but as i understand it just is and this is going to be this is a work

[5:26:52] Trustee Rogers: in progress is is that the islands trust conservancy is going to be the manager of that

[5:26:57] Trustee Rogers: island they're going to get some sort of 99-year lease or something and they're going to develop

[5:27:03] Trustee Rogers: the the management plan in cooperation with um i think they're called the bt parks foundation and

[5:27:12] Trustee Rogers: the tsunami first nation so um that's the that's the next step in that process that was just a big

[5:27:18] Trustee Rogers: announcement to because of the money was there and they purchased it so um that's a yet to be seen

[5:27:25] Trustee Rogers: and how that'll work in terms of our work is uh can we dedicate all

[5:27:30] Trustee Colbourne: the other islands in the

[5:27:31] Trustee Colbourne: local trust committee and we can just take the rest of the term off

[5:27:36] Voice 7: yeah i don't think

[5:27:37] Trustee Rogers: they'll get we'll get much to course here uh gabriel about perhaps all the

[5:27:41] Trustee Rogers: other ones uh

[5:27:42] Voice 23: acorn someday

[5:27:43] Trustee Rogers: we'll hear about acorn island again i don't know i keep asking

[5:27:48] Trustee Rogers: wanting to ask but i don't want to i know that covid has made it impossible to do some of the

[5:27:52] Trustee Rogers: work there uh we have the trust conservancy report and the heron and i'll just say for the

[5:27:58] Trustee Rogers: record i find the heron to be a much better publication than their previous publications

[5:28:03] Trustee Rogers: i quite enjoy it

[5:28:05] Trustee Colbourne: excellent i'm glad it's in the agenda package it makes for good reading there

[5:28:08] Trustee Colbourne: should never be pictures of snakes in agenda package however and i will bring a motion to

[5:28:12] Trustee Colbourne: the next meeting saying that okay

[5:28:15] Voice 7: i like snakes there you go so we can have a debate about that

[5:28:21] Voice 7: next time we can have a motion with somebody disagrees i'll have to break the tie again

[5:28:26] Voice 7: um anyway i i i

[5:28:29] Trustee Rogers: told them we had the other thing i did i didn't mention it we had our

[5:28:32] Trustee Rogers: we every year we have an executive committee itc board uh joint meeting and i i did make the point

[5:28:38] Trustee Rogers: i made two points to them one is they should come to every local trust committee at least once a

[5:28:42] Trustee Rogers: year and just present uh to talk about themselves to get their profile up and the second was thing

[5:28:48] Trustee Rogers: i told them was i thought the heron was a much better publication than what i'd ever seen before

[5:28:53] Trustee Rogers: and i think it was really great that we had it in our agenda package so um and hopefully they'll

[5:29:00] Trustee Colbourne: take

[5:29:00] Trustee Rogers: me up on the first offer

[5:29:01] Trustee Colbourne: i'm really thinking about doing um you know sort of a donation push

[5:29:05] Trustee Colbourne: push leading into the next holiday season you know i i think that presentation at trust council is

[5:29:10] Trustee Colbourne: excellent around their their conservation and their protection activities and how real it is so

[5:29:15] Trustee Colbourne: So, you know, I think it's a real opportunity

[5:29:18] Trustee Colbourne: to give back to these islands.

[5:29:21] Trustee Colbourne: Yep.

[5:29:22] Trustee Rogers: It's so tangible.

[5:29:23] Trustee Rogers: What they do is so tangible, right?

[5:29:25] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[5:29:26] Trustee Rogers: Because they either use that money

[5:29:27] Trustee Rogers: to help the on-the-ground groups

[5:29:29] Trustee Rogers: that are so impactful in all our islands and communities,

[5:29:32] Trustee Rogers: or they use it directly themselves

[5:29:34] Trustee Rogers: to do the work they're doing on the islands

[5:29:36] Trustee Rogers: and on the nature of it.

[5:29:38] Voice 23: And a lot of overhead taken out of that money.

[5:29:42] Voice 23: Well, no.

[5:29:44] Voice 23: You know, other organizations sometimes, administrative costs.

[5:29:48] Voice 23: Okay.

[5:29:49] Voice 23: We're going

[5:29:50] Voice 7: to go into overtime here if we don't stop soon.

[5:29:52] Voice 7: I know.

[5:29:52] Voice 7: Any questions related to

[5:29:54] Trustee Rogers: the applications report?

[5:29:56] Trustee Rogers: No?

[5:29:57] Trustee Rogers: Any questions related to the...

[5:30:00] Trustee Rogers: local trustee report any questions related to the adopted policies and standing resolutions

[5:30:07] Trustee Rogers: uh no questions related to the committee local trust committee web page then uh where we have our

[5:30:15] Trustee Rogers: our top paul top priorities report uh which includes the housing options to develop the

[5:30:22] Trustee Rogers: cannabis regulations and the active transportation uh grant application and now the in1 zoning review

[5:30:29] Trustee Rogers: those are our four as somebody said can't remember which planner said it one of these or two of these

[5:30:37] Trustee Rogers: will hopefully drop off our agenda sometime and we may be able to get a small project back on it well

[5:30:42] Trustee Rogers: yeah probably get a project back on for the rest of this term so you might want to think about what

[5:30:47] Trustee Rogers: that would look like for you guys because we have basically 12 months left and uh the the only major

[5:30:54] Trustee Rogers: piece of work is the uh housing options impact review project so we probably should think about

[5:30:58] Trustee Rogers: but another project that we wanna do with this,

[5:31:01] Trustee Rogers: try and do this.

[5:31:02] Trustee Rogers: And we have a list of 19 of them, 20 of them.

[5:31:08] Trustee Rogers: So you might wanna think about that.

[5:31:09] Voice 23: Yeah, maybe the time to bring

[5:31:11] Voice 23: the ecological protection zone back on.

[5:31:14] Voice 23: It's halfway there.

[5:31:19] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so the only other item,

[5:31:21] Trustee Rogers: we don't have a closed meeting.

[5:31:22] Trustee Rogers: There's an information item.

[5:31:23] Trustee Rogers: There's the news releases I mentioned.

[5:31:25] Trustee Rogers: uh is the next meeting of september the 9th uh and uh trustees it really is up to you

[5:31:33] Trustee Rogers: that's the message from from the management as to whether you want to continue this process

[5:31:39] Trustee Rogers: as of today we do not have a plan in place to do a hybrid meeting that will be

[5:31:45] Trustee Rogers: fully interactive we could broadcast but we do not as of the as today's meeting have an option

[5:31:51] Trustee Rogers: to do that and it probably will not be ready for implementation until sort of mid-September but I

[5:31:58] Trustee Rogers: do know Galeano said theirs is a week before or no it's the same week as yours they agreed to go

[5:32:05] Trustee Rogers: to do Zoom Maine wants to go to fully in person but they're at the end of September it's really

[5:32:12] Trustee Rogers: up to you to what you think yeah

[5:32:14] Voice 23: it's pretty questionable right now I think with the variants

[5:32:17] Voice 23: of concern that are breaking out like in Kelowna I'm not sure I would like to go back to an in-person

[5:32:23] Voice 23: meeting but if we do and it's with September the 9th isn't it yeah

[5:32:30] Trustee Rogers: it's right after Labor Day

[5:32:32] Trustee Rogers: it's like that week after Labor Day yeah

[5:32:34] Voice 23: so

[5:32:35] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[5:32:36] Trustee Colbourne: I think we'll know more by the next meeting to

[5:32:38] Trustee Colbourne: make the decision for the next meeting so

[5:32:40] Trustee Rogers: let's just plan and we do have until so Will was

[5:32:43] Trustee Rogers: absolutely right we have until the end of the 90 days came started on June July 1st and so we

[5:32:49] Trustee Rogers: have until the end of september that we're still under the emergency order to continue to do this

[5:32:53] Trustee Rogers: this way without any special consideration so yeah uh let's do it that way um i'll just flag

[5:32:59] Trustee Rogers: one thing for you guys i will and i will be um out of the province for a few weeks in august uh so

[5:33:06] Trustee Rogers: just in case anything arises you need uh i may not be as responsive as i'm going to be on a

[5:33:12] Trustee Rogers: regular basis i because i will be in some places that don't have very good um uh internet or cell

[5:33:18] Trustee Rogers: whole service thank goodness uh change sorry yeah that's true

[5:33:23] Trustee Colbourne: no

[5:33:24] Trustee Rogers: it's even worse so we're gonna well

[5:33:29] Trustee Colbourne: safe safe travels everybody yeah

[5:33:31] Trustee Rogers: okay thank you

[5:33:32] Trustee Colbourne: are there

[5:33:33] Trustee Rogers: any other business from either trustee nothing no i'm gonna be a jerk

[5:33:37] Trustee Rogers: have a great say goodbye to staff are any of our staff still with us uh see you in the

[5:33:45] Trustee Rogers: say bye to dean she will thank you uh heather

[5:33:49] Voice 29: take care have

[5:33:50] Trustee Rogers: a wonderful safe time on a long

[5:33:53] Trustee Rogers: weekend on uh gabriola if it's like any other island it'll be rocking and rolling so

[5:34:01] Voice 21: okay bye