North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 24, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Patrick: good morning if you're just joining us just going to give it a moment to let the system

[0:00:03] Trustee Patrick: get up and running all right looks like everything's up and running trustees you're

[0:00:25] Trustee Patrick: ready to go all right super well good morning everyone i'd like to call uh this meeting of

[0:00:32] Trustee Patrick: the north pender island local trust committee to order this meeting is being recorded and live

[0:00:37] Trustee Patrick: stream i always open the meeting by acknowledging how fortunate we are to be able to gather

[0:00:44] Trustee Patrick: today in locations all across the traditional territories of the coast salish people

[0:00:48] Trustee Patrick: But I'd be also remiss in saying how the news coming out of Ukraine today is horrifying and on all of our minds.

[0:01:02] Trustee Patrick: And we can just hope that peace can be found.

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick: I don't know what else to say.

[0:01:11] Trustee Patrick: Anyway, on that heavy note, I am Laura Patrick, elected on Salt Spring Island and chair of this local trust committee.

[0:01:19] Trustee Patrick: I'm joined today by Trustee Ben McConkie.

[0:01:21] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Ben.

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Deb Morrison.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Deb.

[0:01:25] Trustee Patrick: Together we make up your local trust committee.

[0:01:27] Trustee Patrick: This meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about

[0:01:30] Trustee Patrick: land use planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:33] Trustee Patrick: I also want to add that despite the fact that some of our employees may be coming from their

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: own homes, they have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:42] Trustee Patrick: This is an electronic meeting.

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick: Sometimes we have technical difficulties and we will work our hardest to overcome them.

[0:01:49] Trustee Patrick: I want to introduce the staff that are joining us today.

[0:01:55] Trustee Patrick: We have Robin Elchuk, who is behind the scenes making this meeting run smoothly.

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Robin. We have Lauren Edwards, our minute taker.

[0:02:03] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Lauren. And our planner is Kim Stockdell.

[0:02:07] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Kim.

[0:02:09] Trustee Patrick: So, trustees, we have an agenda before us.

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: are there any additions or changes that need to be made to this agenda no so can we approve the

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: agenda through general sorry apologize go ahead trustee mcconkey can

[0:02:25] Trustee McConchie: you hear me yes now we can

[0:02:27] Trustee McConchie: okay sorry about that um yeah i

[0:02:29] Trustee McConchie: just just i wanted to touch on two um issues and i'm not sure how to

[0:02:33] Trustee McConchie: put this in the agenda they're part of the correspondence we received correspondence from

[0:02:37] Trustee McConchie: crd director dave howe uh and we also received public correspondence from uh don corbin and i'd

[0:02:43] Trustee McConchie: Should we just discuss the issues raised in that correspondence at the time of the correspondence in the agenda, or should we put it as a separate discussion item?

[0:02:56] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if I've seen the correspondence from Dave Howe.

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: Dave

[0:03:02] Trustee McConchie: made comments about a temporary use permit application in an

[0:03:06] Trustee McConchie: email, and I'd like to discuss that.

[0:03:09] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:03:12] Trustee Patrick: Did you want to do that through correspondence?

[0:03:14] Trustee Patrick: Does that make that place?

[0:03:16] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I

[0:03:17] Voice 6: think I'm looking at nods.

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick: So let's just, when we have correspondence,

[0:03:21] Trustee Patrick: I'll note those items then Ben, how about that?

[0:03:25] Trustee Patrick: Or trust in the county.

[0:03:27] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[0:03:28] Voice 14: any other changes?

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick: If not, can we, well, just approve the agenda

[0:03:34] Trustee Patrick: through general consent.

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:03:36] Trustee Patrick: All right, thanks.

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so this is your time.

[0:03:41] Trustee Patrick: So this is a trustee reports who'd like to go first.

[0:03:44] Planner Stockdill: chair Patrick if I will quickly we just we do have a rise in report oh

[0:03:48] Trustee Patrick: yes I told you to remind

[0:03:50] Trustee Patrick: me for

[0:03:50] Planner Stockdill: jumping over that I even

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick: have a big star on the agenda and what do I do jump over it so

[0:03:54] Trustee Patrick: thank you uh planners doctor um yes we did have a rise in report from an in-camera session on

[0:04:00] Trustee Patrick: January 27th um by general consent the local trust committee agreed to rise and report

[0:04:06] Trustee Patrick: our at this meeting that we had appointed and uh Stevenson and Burdette Barbara Johnson

[0:04:12] Trustee Patrick: George LaRue and Martha McMahon

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick: to the North Pender Island Agricultural Advisory

[0:04:17] Trustee Patrick: Planning Commission commencing immediately

[0:04:19] Trustee Patrick: for a term ending in July of 22.

[0:04:24] Trustee Patrick: And really grateful for these people

[0:04:26] Trustee Patrick: for putting their names forward

[0:04:27] Trustee Patrick: and really appreciate the work

[0:04:29] Trustee Patrick: that this Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[0:04:31] Trustee Patrick: are doing.

[0:04:33] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you, Planner Stockdell.

[0:04:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so moving on, trustee reports,

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick: who'd like to go first?

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick: Do

[0:04:40] Trustee McConchie: you want to go ahead, Trustee Morrison?

[0:04:42] Trustee McConchie: Okay, I'll go.

[0:04:43] Trustee McConchie: I'm just going to read from my report I wrote in the Pender Post.

[0:04:50] Trustee McConchie: So one of the most important lessons I've learned being the youngest trustee during my three and a half years is the importance of small local newspapers and newsletters on informing our island communities about local governance.

[0:05:00] Trustee McConchie: in this inconsistent era of social media posts and virtual data publications such as the pender

[0:05:06] Trustee McConchie: post are more critical than ever to inform islanders in a calm consistent and non-divisive

[0:05:10] Trustee McConchie: way um i appreciate all the work that the folks at the pender post have done uh so this trustee

[0:05:16] Trustee McConchie: report is basically a reflection on what i wrote there uh from march 8th to 10th i believe trustees

[0:05:22] Trustee McConchie: will attend trust council in the naimo uh they also have the option to attend virtually at this

[0:05:27] Trustee McConchie: meeting the most important issue trustees face is passing the budget i plan to speak on behalf

[0:05:33] Trustee McConchie: of many of the concerns i've heard and read from folks on north pender i'm hopeful that trustees

[0:05:37] Trustee McConchie: will make an effort to reduce the budget create a governance committee reallocate funds from

[0:05:42] Trustee McConchie: advocacy work and cut funding to programs within the strategic plan that are not relevant nor near

[0:05:47] Trustee McConchie: completion during trust council trustees will also discuss the policy statement at the last trust

[0:05:53] Trustee McConchie: programs committee meeting in early february i observed a lack of strong desire from my fellow

[0:05:59] Trustee McConchie: trustees to complete the policy statement during this term the next municipal elections are october

[0:06:05] Trustee McConchie: 15th the work on the policy statement will continue however i'm highly doubtful any policy

[0:06:11] Trustee McConchie: statement will pass before the end of the term uh don't just a reminder that on saturday march 12th

[0:06:17] Trustee McConchie: the north pender local trust committee will host a community information meeting regarding to

[0:06:21] Trustee McConchie: discuss the land use bylaw review uh staff will give a short presentation last month uh followed

[0:06:26] Trustee McConchie: mainly by your questions and comments uh we i believe the last community information meeting

[0:06:30] Trustee McConchie: which was held virtually was highly successful and there were great comments at that meeting

[0:06:35] Trustee McConchie: uh we're hopeful that the on march 24th the province uh and uh paul's trust policies will

[0:06:41] Trustee McConchie: allow the north pender trust committee to have its meetings uh in person at the anglican hall

[0:06:46] Trustee McConchie: all. Of course, there's lots of work ahead for our trustee committee before we wrap up this term,

[0:06:53] Trustee McConchie: but I just want to note that I and I know Trustee Morrison and Chair Patrick take considerable time

[0:06:58] Trustee McConchie: and effort to be available to the public in order to be transparent and democratic, and all of our

[0:07:03] Trustee McConchie: efforts during this term have been to improve the democratic process of our island's governance,

[0:07:07] Trustee McConchie: and that work continues. In final closing note, I just want to mention that all the islanders,

[0:07:12] Trustee McConchie: especially Ukrainian Canadians that live in our islands want to send a note of concern and

[0:07:19] Trustee McConchie: solidarity and support of what they're having to deal with right now. So I'd like to note that as

[0:07:25] Trustee McConchie: well, Chair Patrick. Thanks. That's all I have to report.

[0:07:28] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Trustee McConkie.

[0:07:30] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison.

[0:07:31] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. So I have a couple things. So I've been slow to respond in the last

[0:07:39] Trustee Morrison: months to various things and I want to just kind of name to our community that for me that has been

[0:07:47] Trustee Morrison: just a result of personal family issues that I've been juggling and working through so I apologize

[0:07:53] Trustee Morrison: if it seems like I've been a little non-responsive. The other issue is of course I'm the chair of the

[0:08:01] Trustee Morrison: Trust Programs Committee and that is taking up a considerable amount of time and energy as we

[0:08:06] Trustee Morrison: we think about how to navigate the trust policy statement in ways that are really authentic to

[0:08:11] Trustee Morrison: what we're hearing from community and to, you know, the sentiment among trustees and our

[0:08:19] Trustee Morrison: commitments and responsibilities to reconciliation in First Nations. So there's a lot of different

[0:08:25] Trustee Morrison: things that we're trying to juggle and balance. And I actually am at a slightly different mind

[0:08:33] Trustee Morrison: than Trustee McConkie, I think that we actually potentially do have a desire to pass some version

[0:08:39] Trustee Morrison: of a very simple policy statement, but not what we're seeing right now necessarily. So we'll see

[0:08:45] Trustee Morrison: how that unfolds at the March meeting. And I really do encourage folks in our local community

[0:08:51] Trustee Morrison: to listen and attend to that meeting and give us feedback coming out of the March meeting to

[0:08:56] Trustee Morrison: understand like how we're representing in that space um uh in terms of other things locally and

[0:09:04] Trustee Morrison: in this region um there's some really interesting moves in in british columbia broadly and i think

[0:09:11] Trustee Morrison: they're going to start influencing the islands trust areas pretty heavily with respect to

[0:09:17] Trustee Morrison: climate change efforts and mobilization so it does seem like there's efforts now to be more

[0:09:23] Trustee Morrison: coordinated about helping everyone understand what's going on uh in our region and how we can

[0:09:30] Trustee Morrison: act and shift and change our our behaviors i think a lot of that is beyond what specifically

[0:09:36] Trustee Morrison: is within the islands trust mandate um but i do think that there are some places where as a

[0:09:42] Trustee Morrison: community we can learn and grow and and think and actually i think there's lots of places where

[0:09:46] Trustee Morrison: others in the province are learning and growing from us so um really great to see that happening

[0:09:51] Trustee Morrison: So thanks to all those who've been working a long time in that space.

[0:09:56] Trustee Morrison: And I think that that is it for now.

[0:09:59] Trustee Morrison: I do appreciate the correspondence, even though I haven't really been as responsive to it as I like to be.

[0:10:06] Trustee Morrison: And thank you for those of you who have been reaching out by text, because it's a lot easier for me to manage that on the fly.

[0:10:11] Trustee Morrison: So thanks.

[0:10:15] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:10:15] Trustee Patrick: you and uh just uh i'll i'll repeat that uh the next trust council is uh in nanaimo from march

[0:10:23] Trustee Patrick: 8th through 10th it will be a hybrid meeting so you'll be able to um participate and communicate

[0:10:30] Trustee Patrick: in in that meeting on the evening of march 8th there is a town hall that's planned from 7 till

[0:10:37] Trustee Patrick: 9 and on march 1st there will be a webinar about the trust policy statement engagement

[0:10:44] Trustee Patrick: engagement process that is kicking off. It's always, if you want to keep up on all these

[0:10:49] Trustee Patrick: things, please subscribe to the Islands Trust website. That way you'll get notification of

[0:10:54] Trustee Patrick: all these things and reminders so that you can participate when you would like to. So thank you.

[0:11:02] Trustee Patrick: Okay. We're going to move back to the agenda. This is now your opportunity to speak.

[0:11:09] Trustee Patrick: week uh so as as i know we i always ask that um uh your comments and and uh you are important to us

[0:11:19] Trustee Patrick: if you are an applicant today we will be talking you'll have an opportunity to speak to us when we

[0:11:24] Trustee Patrick: consider application please direct your comments to the local trust committee not to the audience

[0:11:28] Trustee Patrick: or staff speak about issues not individuals be clear concise and respectful as you always are

[0:11:36] Trustee Patrick: I do not keep a timer running, but if you are carrying on, I will ask that you wrap up your thoughts so that more people will have a chance to speak.

[0:11:49] Trustee Patrick: If you want to speak to us today, you just have to raise your hand.

[0:11:52] Trustee Patrick: It's at the lower end of the screen.

[0:11:53] Trustee Patrick: If you raise your hand, Robin will help activate your microphone so that you can speak to us.

[0:11:59] Trustee Patrick: Is there anyone that would like to address us today?

[0:12:02] Voice 6: I see Rhonda Porter has raised her hand.

[0:12:08] Voice 6: for hand hello ronda

[0:12:15] Voice 3: hello i have a question that's related to something that's been appearing

[0:12:19] Voice 3: on social media and i notice it's probably tangentially part of one of the temporary

[0:12:26] Voice 3: use permits um we've been talking about maximum house size is there any minimum size for dwellings

[0:12:34] Voice 3: on tender and if you have two small dwellings that are less than the maximum size are there

[0:12:45] Voice 3: any provisions to allow for mini houses if they can be accommodated on one septic system

[0:12:53] Voice 3: using one of the proper treatment plants because that might be something that could help address

[0:13:03] Voice 3: address the housing issue if you know you're looking at floor area for maximum floor area

[0:13:10] Voice 3: how about two small houses that come up to less than the maximum allowed well

[0:13:17] Trustee Patrick: that's a very good

[0:13:18] Trustee Patrick: question i'll look i do i think we can discuss that during our land use bylaw conversation i'm

[0:13:23] Trustee Patrick: looking at this uh thank you rana that is very relevant and we'll be talking about the land use

[0:13:27] Trustee Patrick: bylaws so we'll uh we'll touch on that in a bit if that's okay well thank

[0:13:34] Voice 6: you the next person is

[0:13:36] Voice 6: Sandra? Sandra Trajcik?

[0:13:43] Voice 6: Hi.

[0:13:44] Voice 6: I

[0:13:45] Voice 1: was trying to unmute.

[0:13:46] Voice 6: That's all right.

[0:13:48] Voice 1: Hi. I'd just like to speak to the land use bylaw review.

[0:13:53] Voice 1: And I would like to ask the trustees to reconsider the need to rezone all of the shoreline of North Pender Island from W1 to W3,

[0:14:03] Voice 1: considering four things one that the ministry of forest lands natural resource operations and

[0:14:09] Voice 1: rural development already has a thorough vetting process in place to review dop applications in

[0:14:16] Voice 1: our region which has already has special requirements even though they're currently

[0:14:20] Voice 1: on a moratorium and this process that they do already includes consultation with first nations

[0:14:28] Voice 1: and opportunity for public input from neighbors and residents we do have you do have to put a sign

[0:14:36] Voice 1: a development permit sign on your on your property during the process not all and a second

[0:14:42] Voice 1: consideration is not all shoreline around north pender island is created equal have you considered

[0:14:50] Voice 1: the use of development permit areas for these sensitive shoreline areas third point there

[0:14:56] Voice 1: there doesn't seem to be much support among North Pender Island residents and property owners

[0:15:00] Voice 1: for the proposed rezoning. And fourthly, there is no clarity around how rezoning will impact

[0:15:10] Voice 1: the 11 in-stream applications that are currently sitting with the ministry. And I know that six of

[0:15:17] Voice 1: those 11 already have docks in place, and at least one other has an expired tenure with a partially

[0:15:25] Voice 1: built dock so all of these property owners are trying to do the right thing but with the rezoning

[0:15:31] Voice 1: they would be penalized both monetarily and with increased uncertainty because there's no clarity

[0:15:39] Voice 1: around how that process will work if you proceed with the rezoning so rezoning water and and how

[0:15:46] Voice 1: it will impact our in-stream applications so just in closing rezoning waterfront to w3 will

[0:15:53] Voice 1: We'll really do nothing to prevent what I understand is the big issue here,

[0:15:58] Voice 1: which is preventing illegal docks and the problems of derelict docks.

[0:16:04] Voice 1: Thanks for your consideration.

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Sandra.

[0:16:07] Trustee Patrick: And again, we'll be discussing the land use bylaw on that issue momentarily.

[0:16:11] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[0:16:13] Trustee Patrick: Anyone else that would like to address us?

[0:16:19] Voice 6: I see Rhonda's hand's still up, but I think that

[0:16:21] Trustee Patrick: was just a lucked up.

[0:16:27] Trustee Patrick: No one else would like to address us today.

[0:16:29] Trustee Patrick: Your comments are really important

[0:16:31] Trustee Patrick: to the Local Trust Committee.

[0:16:32] Trustee Patrick: And so please, oops, I see another hand is coming up.

[0:16:35] Trustee Patrick: Peter Owens.

[0:16:42] Voice 6: Hi there, can you hear me?

[0:16:44] Voice 6: Yes, I can.

[0:16:45] Voice 11: Yeah, I'm not sure if, because I'm very new to this

[0:16:47] Voice 11: and I'm applying for a development permit,

[0:16:52] Voice 11: is this the time where I would speak up or would I wait?

[0:16:55] Trustee Patrick: If your application is on today, if you can just wait,

[0:16:58] Trustee Patrick: we will give you an opportunity.

[0:17:00] Trustee Patrick: We'll promote you right up to the screen here

[0:17:02] Trustee Patrick: and we'll engage with you at that time, if that's okay.

[0:17:04] Trustee Patrick: okay?

[0:17:05] Voice 11: For sure. Okay. Thank you,

[0:17:06] Trustee Patrick: Peter. Is there anyone else? No. So your comments are very

[0:17:16] Trustee Patrick: important to us. So please always reach out through email, text, phone calls. We do want to

[0:17:22] Trustee Patrick: hear from you. And so please, please do that. And there'll be an opportunity later today if you

[0:17:29] Trustee Patrick: have additional comments. Okay. With that, I'm going to move on to our agenda. We have

[0:17:39] Trustee Patrick: minutes here from our january 27th meeting are there any additions or changes that need to be

[0:17:45] Trustee Patrick: made to those minutes no so we can adopt those minutes through general consent excellent uh we

[0:17:54] Trustee Patrick: also had a special meeting on february 5th and those minutes are here for adoption are there

[0:18:01] Trustee Patrick: any changes that need to be made to those minutes all right we can approve those minutes through

[0:18:07] Trustee Patrick: general consent we have a follow-up action list here on page 21 of our agenda package

[0:18:15] Trustee Patrick: are there any questions for staff or any items that staff want

[0:18:20] Voice 6: to bring to our attention

[0:18:26] Voice 6: trustee mcconkie i

[0:18:28] Trustee McConchie: want to know if there's any word from the ministry regarding our short-term

[0:18:32] Trustee McConchie: vacation rental bylaw uh

[0:18:36] Planner Stockdill: thank you trustee mcconkie for that question i did receive word

[0:18:39] Planner Stockdill: within the last two weeks that it's in the final process of being signed and they said they would

[0:18:44] Planner Stockdill: hope to get it get the signed bylaw to the ltc by end of this month but to date we have not received

[0:18:52] Planner Stockdill: anything quite hopeful that we it will be placed on the march 24th agenda or backlog

[0:19:00] Trustee McConchie: of like a

[0:19:01] Trustee McConchie: time frame on backlog for this right now that you're getting a sense of might not be able to

[0:19:05] Trustee McConchie: answer that but uh

[0:19:06] Planner Stockdill: from my understanding there was an issue with turnover with staff at the

[0:19:10] Planner Stockdill: ministry and there was backlog due to that okay

[0:19:14] Trustee Patrick: thank you and any other questions on the follow-up

[0:19:18] Trustee Patrick: action list all right well then moving on um this does bring us to correspondence and there were a

[0:19:31] Trustee Patrick: couple of items of correspondence uh trustee mcconkie that you wanted to address yeah that's

[0:19:35] Trustee McConchie: great um just getting my stuff up here so uh the first correspondence was i just wanted to address

[0:19:42] Trustee McConchie: from don corbin um he wrote our trust committee uh and expressed concern over the fact that we're

[0:19:49] Trustee McConchie: holding our meetings virtually and that we should not have this meeting um and he called

[0:19:56] Trustee McConchie: he stated that we were being deceitful in his email and i just want to say that this type of

[0:20:03] Trustee McConchie: rhetoric is not accurate it's not helpful uh and it's there's no evidence to to support it

[0:20:11] Trustee McConchie: So I just wanted to use that correspondence as an example of the way to not communicate to your local trust committee.

[0:20:20] Trustee McConchie: We are working extraordinarily hard to try and make your local government as democratic and transparent as possible.

[0:20:28] Trustee McConchie: I've heard nothing but positive reviews from folks who are not able to get out of their house because it's snowed today or whatever.

[0:20:34] Trustee McConchie: They can log into the meeting. It certainly doesn't replace in-person meetings.

[0:20:39] Trustee McConchie: But there is nothing, I don't even know what deceitful, it just doesn't make any sense. So I just wanted to mention that. But when you write your local trust committee, do so in a kind and neighborly way. That's important to healthy dialogue.

[0:20:56] Trustee McConchie: The other comment I wanted to make about correspondence was the local trust committee received correspondence from direct CRD director Dave Howe, where he expressed his feelings on a temporary use permit application that the local trust committee denied.

[0:21:13] Trustee McConchie: denied um and uh it was the first correspondence we've received as far as and it made me realize

[0:21:23] Trustee McConchie: like we've written the crd on several occasions and i know one in particular we've received no

[0:21:29] Trustee McConchie: response so i just don't i just would like to find out what's going on and that particular

[0:21:34] Trustee McConchie: correspondence is uh i can just uh point out here i mean i passed i create i i uh the local trust

[0:21:43] Trustee McConchie: committee passed the motion that i put forward on the floor uh that the uh this is in a previous

[0:21:48] Trustee McConchie: meeting that the uh north trend of trust committee directs staff to write the capital regional

[0:21:53] Trustee McConchie: district electoral area director and magic lake water and sewer management commission to advocate

[0:21:58] Trustee McConchie: for in species invasive species management environment environmental management and water

[0:22:03] Trustee McConchie: quality improvements for magic lake so this was done last november right and then if i look at

[0:22:09] Trustee McConchie: the update from the staff from the staff report sorry the um the action list uh staff so we back

[0:22:15] Trustee McConchie: in october 28th staff direct a letter to the crd we've been so the staff ends up writing the letter

[0:22:21] Trustee McConchie: um and we wanted so basically we were trying to advocate for something you know to improve

[0:22:27] Trustee McConchie: magic lake because as far as i'm concerned it's a it requires major environmental attention

[0:22:32] Trustee McConchie: um and we've received no response from the crd director except for this random comment out of

[0:22:37] Trustee McConchie: nowhere about what he feels about a temporary use application but it just spoke to me like

[0:22:44] Trustee McConchie: the current state of collaboration between the crd and the islands trust needs to be dramatically

[0:22:49] Trustee McConchie: improved and i would say it starts with the crd director uh we've written them uh we've received

[0:22:55] Trustee McConchie: no response and i just i don't quite understand who's running the crd right now uh it it's very

[0:23:02] Trustee McConchie: confusing uh to to me and i'm hearing that a lot from islanders so i just wanted to get an update

[0:23:07] Trustee McConchie: on Magic Lake

[0:23:08] Voice 7: and the-

[0:23:11] Trustee Patrick: Oh, you're fading out.

[0:23:13] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, you have to look right at the mic.

[0:23:16] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, yeah.

[0:23:17] Trustee McConchie: So I just wanted to hear an update

[0:23:18] Trustee McConchie: on Magic Lake with that letter.

[0:23:20] Trustee McConchie: And in conclusion, just wanted to know about areas

[0:23:23] Trustee McConchie: of improvement for communication and collaboration

[0:23:25] Trustee McConchie: with the CRD, which maybe might be a bigger issue

[0:23:29] Trustee McConchie: than we can solve in conversation today.

[0:23:32] Trustee McConchie: Thanks, that's it.

[0:23:33] Trustee McConchie: Well,

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick: thanks for raising that, Ben.

[0:23:35] Trustee Patrick: Actually, I had in the work we're doing here

[0:23:38] Trustee Patrick: on salt spring went and dove back into what we have called protocol agreements with the crd

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: and so forth and realized that a lot of the protocol agreements that we have are are rather

[0:23:49] Trustee Patrick: old and uh regional district in an imo is right now partaking in updating their protocol agreements

[0:23:55] Trustee Patrick: with gabriola island and their um their basis for for cooperation is much broader like participating

[0:24:03] Trustee Patrick: in community planning and all of these items that are listed in the regional district in the nimos

[0:24:08] Trustee Patrick: most, where ours are very specific. It's about building permits and park dedications. And I think

[0:24:14] Trustee Patrick: there's an opportunity to revisit these old protocol agreements, and especially in today

[0:24:22] Trustee Patrick: with reconciliation and so forth, how we work together as a group of government. So that's

[0:24:28] Trustee Patrick: something I just recognized. Trustee Morrison, did you want to add something?

[0:24:32] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I'll add a

[0:24:33] Trustee Morrison: little bit to that so i've been um when i can work it out i've been attending the southern

[0:24:38] Trustee Morrison: gulf islands forum as well which is a space that is really like established for us um to be able

[0:24:45] Trustee Morrison: to have intergovernmental conversations and try to build some of this coordination and um you know

[0:24:52] Trustee Morrison: it's been really great to be able to see you know province sometimes the feds at the table um you

[0:24:59] Trustee Morrison: know first nations um other trustees from other islands and um gary holman from salt spring often

[0:25:08] Trustee Morrison: attends um so i've been struggling to understand the space for our own representative because we

[0:25:18] Trustee Morrison: see paul brent stepping in a lot which i understand is an alternate alternate is this role

[0:25:22] Trustee Morrison: but it's a complicated role he's a trustee on another island and being also in the role of an

[0:25:30] Trustee Morrison: alternate for the um as this email that actually been referencing reflects it like also being in

[0:25:37] Trustee Morrison: the alternate for the crd is a it's a complicated space from my perspective of like are you a

[0:25:44] Trustee Morrison: colleague or are you like from a trustee colleague or are you a crd collaborative colleague that

[0:25:52] Trustee Morrison: we're trying to work with and so um because if you're a trustee colleague like rtps are our

[0:25:58] Trustee Morrison: business on north pender and like you know leave it alone if you're a crd colleague i would argue

[0:26:04] Trustee Morrison: that like okay get into the conversation about what other options there are for licensing or

[0:26:08] Trustee Morrison: business or the other things that we've asked for like around this space um so i'm struggling with

[0:26:14] Trustee Morrison: that and just the the again i think what ben is naming the sort of lack of communication on that

[0:26:21] Trustee Morrison: front overall so um yeah i had a response to that one too um or just around like wow if this is the

[0:26:30] Trustee Morrison: first time working communication for a long time um from this direction like this is not the one

[0:26:35] Trustee Morrison: that i want to be picking as like the thing that i need response on um so really happy to see it

[0:26:42] Trustee Morrison: raised and hopefully to have better and more consistent conversations going forward would

[0:26:47] Trustee Morrison: would encourage people to ask for that in the fall.

[0:26:51] Trustee Patrick: No, thank you.

[0:26:52] Trustee Patrick: And as I always say,

[0:26:53] Trustee Patrick: as we look at the mandate of the Islands Trust,

[0:26:55] Trustee Patrick: we talk about the three words, preserve and protect,

[0:26:57] Trustee Patrick: but I look at those three words in cooperation with,

[0:27:01] Trustee Patrick: as being vitally important to the work that we do.

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: Okay, are there any other comments on correspondence?

[0:27:10] Trustee Patrick: Not, we'll move on.

[0:27:12] Trustee Patrick: Now we'll move to the applications.

[0:27:14] Trustee Patrick: And we have the first application is 13.1.

[0:27:17] Trustee Patrick: it's a temporary use permit uh for white and the staff report begins on page 27 and i guess that

[0:27:26] Trustee Patrick: will be over to you planner stockton

[0:27:28] Planner Stockdill: thank you chair patrick yes i will present on this application

[0:27:31] Planner Stockdill: on planner testamels behalf as he couldn't make it to the meeting today uh so this is a temporary

[0:27:39] Planner Stockdill: use permit application for a short-term vacation rental in an existing dwelling unit the house is

[0:27:46] Planner Stockdill: approximately 400 square feet and has one bedroom and one bathroom and the applicant is proposing a

[0:27:54] Planner Stockdill: maximum number of guests of four the applicant this is her principal residence and she's proposing

[0:28:02] Planner Stockdill: to rent the house out to two or three people approximately primarily targeting couples families

[0:28:09] Planner Stockdill: and friends with one child the applicant has provided a letter of purpose that includes the

[0:28:16] Planner Stockdill: rationale for the use and that's attached as attachment number three in the staff report

[0:28:21] Planner Stockdill: i'm just going to touch briefly on some of the issues and opportunities for the application

[0:28:27] Planner Stockdill: so in terms of this application meeting the proposed guidelines in bylaw number 222

[0:28:36] Planner Stockdill: there are no other stvr permits in the immediate neighborhood and i think the closest

[0:28:42] Planner Stockdill: is a short-term vacation rental tup is about 440 meters away from the um the subject property uh

[0:28:51] Planner Stockdill: currently there are 11 tups issued for short-term for short-term vacation rentals and uh proposed

[0:28:59] Planner Stockdill: bylaw number 222 limits those that number to 20. so if this was approved uh this would be number

[0:29:05] Planner Stockdill: 12. One item to note is the draft TUP when circulated allowed for a maximum of 60 days

[0:29:15] Planner Stockdill: to rent the SDVR from May 1st to September 30th and the draft or proposed bylaw 222

[0:29:24] Planner Stockdill: has a policy that states that there should be no more than 30 days. So the applicant has requested

[0:29:32] Planner Stockdill: the 60 days and she's provided her rationale that she feels the home is very small and that a

[0:29:38] Planner Stockdill: maximum of three to four guests will have little negative impacts on the island and in addition

[0:29:45] Planner Stockdill: the LTC has the option to amend this condition to actually reduce that to 30 days if the LTC

[0:29:51] Planner Stockdill: would like to and that could be done under alternative number two. At the time actually

[0:29:58] Planner Stockdill: Actually, to date, we've only received

[0:30:00] Planner Stockdill: received one piece of correspondence for this application and that was in favor so staff have

[0:30:06] Planner Stockdill: made the recommendation to the LTC to approve the issuance of this tup for a term of three years and

[0:30:15] Planner Stockdill: the draft permit is on page 60 for the agenda and I believe the applicant is also here and

[0:30:22] Planner Stockdill: and if the LVC has any questions for the applicant.

[0:30:27] Planner Stockdill: Thank you.

[0:30:28] Trustee Patrick: Yes, I know the applicant, I think it's Jamie there.

[0:30:32] Trustee Patrick: Robin, if you could promote Jamie, it's the J-A-I-M-E.

[0:30:38] Trustee Patrick: I believe that's the applicant.

[0:30:42] Trustee Patrick: You're being promoted over to panel.

[0:30:44] Trustee Patrick: You should be able to turn on your video

[0:30:47] Trustee Patrick: and microphone if you would like.

[0:30:51] Trustee Patrick: Video.

[0:30:52] Trustee Patrick: Hi,

[0:30:55] Voice 17: can you hear me?

[0:30:56] Voice 17: We can. Hello. How are you?

[0:30:58] Voice 17: Hi. Sorry, I'm trying to get my video to work and it's not. Oh, there we are.

[0:31:03] Voice 17: There you are.

[0:31:03] Voice 17: Hi.

[0:31:04] Voice 17: Hello.

[0:31:05] Voice 17: Good morning, everyone.

[0:31:06] Trustee Patrick: Thank you for joining us. And do you have anything that you'd like to add to the staff report at this time? And then we may, we'll discuss and may have some questions, but this is your chance to speak.

[0:31:16] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:31:17] Voice 17: So the only reason I added the 60 days, I spoke with Ben the other day,

[0:31:22] Voice 17: was when I'm using the short term as Airbnb, it's mainly when my daughter is on break from school

[0:31:31] Voice 17: as we live here full time. So we'd be going into the city. So a lot of the time that I would want

[0:31:37] Voice 17: to utilize this as an Airbnb would be through that summer kind of period. So that's kind of

[0:31:43] Voice 17: why I've asked for those 60 days in addition to what was just spoken all

[0:31:50] Trustee Patrick: right well thank you very

[0:31:51] Trustee Patrick: much and at this time we're going to open the floor for the trustees to have questions for

[0:31:54] Trustee Patrick: staff or you and discuss this application so trustees

[0:31:59] Voice 7: trustee Morrison any questions

[0:32:02] Voice 7: sorry

[0:32:05] Trustee Morrison: I got multiple things going on here um so um no I don't have any questions off the top of my

[0:32:10] Trustee Morrison: head the my Jamie just to the the comment you just made and my understanding from reading the

[0:32:15] Trustee Morrison: materials. This is slightly different than other STBRs that we've dealt with in terms of the

[0:32:22] Trustee Morrison: timelines, because often we're dealing with people who aren't here in the winter and are looking to

[0:32:27] Trustee Morrison: like just offset the cost of having a second property here with an STBR. But you're actually

[0:32:32] Trustee Morrison: in the opposite situation where you are here all year and you're actually trying to use more of the

[0:32:38] Trustee Morrison: time during the summer. And because this is a really small building, we're not talking a lot

[0:32:44] Trustee Morrison: of people and we're not you know and it so i i'm actually for this extended time period where i

[0:32:50] Trustee Morrison: normally wouldn't be but i am actually for it just from the perspective of it it allows somebody

[0:32:56] Trustee Morrison: who's resident here to make the use of their place in a way that helps them offset the cost of living

[0:33:00] Trustee Morrison: here so exactly yes well

[0:33:03] Trustee Morrison: thank you for that

[0:33:04] Trustee Patrick: trustee mcconkey anything to add yeah

[0:33:07] Trustee McConchie: i just have

[0:33:07] Trustee McConchie: a couple uh comments and then justification why i'm going to support this application uh but the

[0:33:13] Trustee McConchie: The first one that I was concerned about that actually doesn't really relate to the application in particular, but just our STVR policy, because I've been discussing with the fire department about them doing checks on short term vacation rentals to ensure that fire safety is, you know, being properly addressed.

[0:33:32] Trustee McConchie: I know I'd spoken to the deputy chief there and the chief about making that kind of standard policy.

[0:33:39] Trustee McConchie: And I was just wondering, Jamie, if you can speak to just maybe, because we don't have that in place right now, what precautions do you have in place? I do need a notice from your application. And by the way, the application you have, I mean, speaking of the CRD, they could have saved a lot of money and used your photos and the way you promoted the environmental tourist thing much better than they did, in my opinion.

[0:34:02] Trustee McConchie: But I'm just curious to know what you're doing about fire safety and just that to address that.

[0:34:08] Voice 17: uh yeah so um we've definitely we're gonna have a lot of signage with you know no smoking uh

[0:34:15] Voice 17: reinforcing that um we've been doing a lot of cleanup in our yard just in general so you know

[0:34:21] Voice 17: it's never going to be a fired hazard of you know debris that's around on the yard um there's going

[0:34:26] Voice 17: to be no um fire you know pit or any kind of fire you know where it looks like someone could build a

[0:34:33] Voice 17: fire so that's it's going to be very clear um to people staying here um it's a smoke-free zone no

[0:34:40] Voice 17: candles no you know anything like that so low on the hazard yeah

[0:34:45] Trustee McConchie: so that's great so uh planner

[0:34:48] Trustee McConchie: stockville i'm wondering is that we're going to be part of the the bylaw addressing the fire

[0:34:53] Trustee McConchie: department's concerns in the future yeah

[0:34:55] Planner Stockdill: so uh we we have noted that and we were going i know that

[0:34:59] Planner Stockdill: but Planner Tessimel has been in contact with the CRD

[0:35:02] Planner Stockdill: and they're, I believe, setting up a meeting

[0:35:04] Planner Stockdill: and we're going to report back with options

[0:35:06] Planner Stockdill: when we bring back bylaw number 222.

[0:35:09] Planner Stockdill: Okay.

[0:35:10] Planner Stockdill: So yeah, it's on the list of things to do.

[0:35:12] Trustee McConchie: Great.

[0:35:13] Trustee McConchie: So that's not necessarily related to the application,

[0:35:15] Trustee McConchie: but you see how it's kind of something

[0:35:15] Trustee McConchie: the fire department's requested

[0:35:16] Trustee McConchie: and I just

[0:35:18] Voice 7: wanted to address it.

[0:35:18] Trustee McConchie: The other thing that I know is

[0:35:20] Trustee McConchie: we had a short-term vacation rental

[0:35:22] Trustee McConchie: that was taken off our agenda,

[0:35:24] Trustee McConchie: mainly because the neighbors,

[0:35:25] Trustee McConchie: they all realized that they didn't want that

[0:35:28] Trustee McConchie: in their neighborhood um and it seems to be kind of self-policing itself and and that's a good thing

[0:35:35] Trustee McConchie: when neighbors are communicating with each other about the shape and form and character of their

[0:35:39] Trustee McConchie: neighborhood in this particular circumstance there's a letter of support and it's a quiet

[0:35:44] Trustee McConchie: neighborhood uh and it's a small house i see the impacts as being minimal as noted uh in the staff

[0:35:51] Trustee McConchie: report the cumulative impacts of stbr use from approval the tup would be small given the

[0:35:56] Trustee McConchie: neighborhood and island context uh which is why i support i'll vote in favor of supporting this

[0:36:01] Trustee McConchie: temporary suffocation all right

[0:36:04] Trustee Patrick: any further questions

[0:36:06] Trustee Morrison: yeah can i have one additional thing

[0:36:08] Trustee Morrison: um i i actually did want to comment on the materials as well i was i was looking at and

[0:36:14] Trustee Morrison: i'm laughing because i'm just like um i think we need to hire a u.s designer for all of the like

[0:36:20] Trustee Morrison: public communication materials because like i just really appreciated the way that you're

[0:36:25] Trustee Morrison: you're highlighting local places, you're highlighting, you know,

[0:36:30] Trustee Morrison: you're making visible local businesses and the practices that we have as a

[0:36:36] Trustee Morrison: community around water conservation,

[0:36:37] Trustee Morrison: around smoking and inference and septic systems.

[0:36:41] Trustee Morrison: So like, I think that it's really helpful and nice and clear,

[0:36:44] Trustee Morrison: and it's actually friendly in a way that people want to read it.

[0:36:47] Trustee Morrison: So I think it actually draws people into it,

[0:36:50] Trustee Morrison: which I know that that's not what this TUP is about, but it's just helpful.

[0:36:53] Trustee Morrison: helpful. And so, Planner Stockdale, I know that we talked about keeping like a log of different

[0:36:59] Trustee Morrison: examples that people could look at. And I'm wondering about just adding the materials for

[0:37:05] Trustee Morrison: this specifically to that kind of resource for folks. Absolutely.

[0:37:09] Planner Stockdill: Yes, we can.

[0:37:10] Trustee Morrison: Okay, thank you.

[0:37:11] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. I was just gonna add, I do a great deal of research on short term vacation rentals.

[0:37:18] Trustee Patrick: um i've been one of the advocates for the crd considering a business license program across

[0:37:23] Trustee Patrick: the region because i see this is a region when people are looking for things and one of the

[0:37:30] Trustee Patrick: there's a new toolkit that's been made available through gen squeeze here at ubc and principal

[0:37:37] Trustee Patrick: residences are one of the primary things that they they recommend for you know managing short-term

[0:37:43] Trustee Patrick: vacation rentals of being the right type.

[0:37:47] Trustee Patrick: So I too am in support of this temporary use permit.

[0:37:51] Trustee Patrick: Who would like to move with a motion?

[0:37:54] Trustee McConchie: I'd like to make a motion that the local trust committee

[0:37:56] Trustee McConchie: approve issuance of temporary use permit application

[0:37:59] Trustee McConchie: MPT-UP 2021.10, do I?

[0:38:03] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[0:38:04] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Morrison.

[0:38:05] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:38:08] Trustee Patrick: If not, I will call the vote then.

[0:38:10] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:38:12] Trustee Patrick: And that is carried.

[0:38:14] Trustee Patrick: All right, so thank you for taking the time to do a good job

[0:38:17] Trustee Patrick: on bringing an application forward and being here today, Jamie.

[0:38:20] Trustee Patrick: Thank you all so much. Appreciate it.

[0:38:22] Trustee Patrick: All right, thank you.

[0:38:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay, trustees, the next permit is a development permit,

[0:38:29] Trustee Patrick: and there's a staff report on page 66 of the agenda package,

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick: and it's back over to you, Planner Stockdell.

[0:38:36] Planner Stockdill: Thank you.

[0:38:37] Planner Stockdill: Again, I will be presenting on Planner Testimel's behalf.

[0:38:40] Planner Stockdill: half. This is a development permit for land alteration within the Sydney Island Geotechnical

[0:38:47] Planner Stockdill: Development Permit Area, and the proposed land alteration is actually to do with an existing

[0:38:53] Planner Stockdill: septic system. The property owners plan to reuse an existing septic field,

[0:39:02] Planner Stockdill: slightly change one of the tanks, and add a new septic tank within the DPA.

[0:39:07] Planner Stockdill: There's an existing cottage within the DPA which they do plan to demolish and remove and they're

[0:39:13] Planner Stockdill: planning to build their dwelling unit outside of the DPA. So it's really the septic field and tank

[0:39:21] Planner Stockdill: that require the development permit. And you can see this on the site plan which is on page 69 of

[0:39:29] Planner Stockdill: the staff report it's figure two the area in green is the DPA area B and the red long line

[0:39:40] Planner Stockdill: is the septic field and the two dots are where the septic tanks will be located you can also see

[0:39:45] Planner Stockdill: the proposed location of the new dwelling unit so in support of this application the applicants have

[0:39:52] Planner Stockdill: submitted a geotechnical report and this report um states that the the septic field will not be

[0:40:00] Planner Stockdill: at risk for any seismic or erosion-based geohazards the geotechnical report also

[0:40:09] Planner Stockdill: provides an analysis on the level 10 report and also provides some geological conditions

[0:40:16] Planner Stockdill: conditions on the subject property.

[0:40:19] Planner Stockdill: So staff do are recommending approval

[0:40:21] Planner Stockdill: of this development permit based

[0:40:23] Planner Stockdill: on the fact that the application

[0:40:24] Planner Stockdill: is based on the professional advice

[0:40:28] Planner Stockdill: from a geotechnical assessment.

[0:40:30] Planner Stockdill: In addition,

[0:40:31] Planner Stockdill: all recommendations of that assessment

[0:40:32] Planner Stockdill: have been incorporated into the

[0:40:35] Planner Stockdill: the draft DP and the siting of the

[0:40:39] Planner Stockdill: existing septic tank and the new

[0:40:41] Planner Stockdill: tank is based on recommendations

[0:40:44] Planner Stockdill: from the from a professional

[0:40:45] Planner Stockdill: professional wastewater practitioner. I also believe the applicant is here to answer any

[0:40:51] Planner Stockdill: questions from the LTC. And that's the very short summary for this application. Thank you.

[0:40:57] Trustee Patrick: Yes, Peter is here. Peter Ohms, if Robin, if you could promote Peter.

[0:41:20] Voice 6: Peter, if you're there,

[0:41:21] Voice 6: I can.

[0:41:28] Voice 11: Hi there. Can you see me or hear me?

[0:41:30] Voice 6: We can hear you.

[0:41:32] Voice 11: Okay, I'm think I'm probably

[0:41:33] Voice 11: pressing the wrong buttons here. Do

[0:41:36] Trustee Patrick: I hit the

[0:41:37] Voice 11: participants icon?

[0:41:40] Trustee Patrick: No, onto the left side of your

[0:41:44] Trustee Patrick: screen there's a camera picture and you can click that if you want to activate your video. Otherwise

[0:41:53] Trustee Patrick: we can just, we're hearing

[0:41:55] Voice 14: you. There you are.

[0:41:57] Trustee Patrick: It's all working great. Is there anything you

[0:41:59] Trustee Patrick: wish to add on the uh staff report at this time yeah

[0:42:02] Voice 11: um so i i just want to reiterate that um

[0:42:06] Voice 11: there there have been other uh properties on the island that have uh had their dp

[0:42:14] Voice 11: uh zone changed as a result of uh rising engineering coming to their property

[0:42:19] Voice 11: um in our our case uh i don't know if you uh read the the report on what the

[0:42:26] Voice 11: the property looks like, but it's largely an open field.

[0:42:32] Voice 11: There would be no tree removal or tree displacement.

[0:42:37] Voice 11: It's minimal ground disturbance,

[0:42:40] Voice 11: keeping the septic system where it is,

[0:42:43] Voice 11: which is in the DP zone, the current DP zone

[0:42:47] Voice 11: we're talking about.

[0:42:51] Voice 11: I'm also, one thing I failed to mention to Phil

[0:42:55] Voice 11: is I'm also looking to put a solar array somewhere on there with consultation with a geotechnical

[0:43:02] Voice 11: engineer. The other alternative where we could put the solar array on that property would be

[0:43:08] Voice 11: on the other side of the new build, which would involve tree removal to have solar power. So it

[0:43:17] Voice 11: just makes nothing but sense putting it sort of in that area where the solar array could catch the

[0:43:23] Voice 11: sun in as well as our septic engineer has said that the current place of the septic field is

[0:43:33] Voice 11: ideal for for a gravity system and if we couldn't put the field there then we would be switching

[0:43:42] Voice 11: where the the new cottage would be built in that we'd have to pump above for a field up high

[0:43:50] Voice 11: So in closing, I just want to say that I think this is the least groundwork that's required in our development of this property.

[0:44:06] Voice 11: And, you know, we're looking to have a light hand on the land.

[0:44:12] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:44:13] Trustee Patrick: I just want to before so are you considering um that there would I guess I'll look to Planner

[0:44:21] Trustee Patrick: Stockdale if a solar array was built is that another development permit or what would just

[0:44:26] Trustee Patrick: from a technical standpoint there you're muted if

[0:44:35] Planner Stockdill: the solar panel is constructed within the DPA

[0:44:38] Planner Stockdill: sorry yes yes and potentially that could be a requirement for a new development permit

[0:44:46] Trustee Patrick: Okay, I just wanted to ask that question before we get going. All right, trustees, any questions for applicant or the planner?

[0:44:56] Trustee McConchie: I've got one. Thanks, Peter, for being here today and taking the time to sensitively think about your development on your property.

[0:45:05] Trustee McConchie: So just so I'm understanding, just while the public's listening, we have this development permit area.

[0:45:10] Trustee McConchie: It's geotechnical. And that's basically there to ensure that people don't build homes on land that is likely to erode or it's a check to ensure that the engineer passes this from what I'm understanding.

[0:45:24] Trustee McConchie: So and then you're here for the trustees to kind of consider is there any last last thing that the engineer missed or or what when the planners go through the checklist.

[0:45:33] Trustee McConchie: So thank you for following all those steps to approach this.

[0:45:37] Trustee McConchie: um don't i think i was reading this and everything was going great until and maybe plan or stock

[0:45:43] Trustee McConchie: deal or i see even um william shilbaugh who's a groundwater engineer there's a sentence in

[0:45:49] Trustee McConchie: page 81 that they throw in there in your staff report on page one bottom paragraph

[0:45:54] Trustee McConchie: and it says while it is unlikely that the total erosional slope regression and seismically induced

[0:46:01] Trustee McConchie: slope regression would occur simultaneously and here's the kicker there is a possibility that

[0:46:06] Trustee McConchie: that that rate of erosion could increase in the future with the anticipated

[0:46:10] Trustee McConchie: effects of climate change and sea level rise. And I'm like, okay,

[0:46:16] Trustee McConchie: so everything's fine now, but then they throw this sentence in that says,

[0:46:20] Trustee McConchie: Oh, by the way,

[0:46:21] Trustee McConchie: climate change is happening and things are eroding.

[0:46:26] Trustee McConchie: You know, it's just this, it's an unsettling sentence, you know?

[0:46:31] Trustee McConchie: But that said, they go on to say, you know, after a couple of sentences,

[0:46:35] Trustee McConchie: given this in our discussion above we conclude that the current proposed location for residents

[0:46:39] Trustee McConchie: and the associated septic field will not be at risk of seismic or erosion-based geohazards

[0:46:44] Trustee McConchie: so they're

[0:46:45] Voice 8: saying we'll

[0:46:47] Trustee McConchie: climate change we don't quite know what's going to happen but then on the

[0:46:49] Trustee McConchie: other hand if i'm understanding correctly they're saying but it's actually okay do you see what i'm

[0:46:55] Trustee McConchie: saying maybe yeah it's just a point of clarification right

[0:47:00] Voice 11: so and so i i i have had

[0:47:05] Voice 11: some discussions about that a geotechnical engineer will will always um put something

[0:47:13] Voice 11: in a report they they can't foresee the future no one can um they they can measure what's happened

[0:47:20] Voice 11: into ground shift in the last 25 years look at look at evidence with vegetation look at the

[0:47:26] Voice 11: the bank make measurements of how much property has sloughed off the bank the original levelton

[0:47:35] Voice 11: report that was used to develop the island was very conservative and ryzik was hired by

[0:47:43] Voice 11: the previous owners of this property um to to have another look at it and they're confident

[0:47:53] Voice 11: that with with a life cycle of 75 years there is uh they're they're confident that even building

[0:48:01] Voice 11: in that zone that it would be safe to build in that zone which is why they put their stamp on

[0:48:07] Voice 11: it they're just talking about you know who really knows what's going to happen with climate change

[0:48:12] Voice 11: but they are they have forecasted with recognized modeling um uh for the for the industry uh based

[0:48:23] Voice 11: on the geotechs uh of that piece of land they have done the modeling that uh they that they can back

[0:48:32] Voice 11: up that they they see that there's no problem for 75 year lifespan for develop for any kind

[0:48:39] Voice 11: of development in that zone. Does that make sense

[0:48:45] Trustee McConchie: kind of? Well yeah, I understand from your

[0:48:49] Trustee McConchie: perspective. I'm just curious also to know from an engineer's perspective if you're maybe willing to

[0:48:53] Trustee McConchie: offer some thoughts.

[0:48:56] Voice 12: Yeah, through the chair, thank you Tristan McConkie. I'm actually a

[0:49:00] Voice 12: geoscientist, not an engineer and definitely not a

[0:49:02] Voice 12: geotechnical engineer. I think probably on the

[0:49:06] Voice 12: the top of page three there of the report it was says will not be at risk maybe likely not be at

[0:49:13] Voice 12: risk would have been a softer language for that i guess my comment on the effects of climate change

[0:49:19] Voice 12: is just look at what happened to the coca-cola over the past few months there's an unprecedented

[0:49:26] Voice 12: amount of damage that occurred during a climate driven event and the coca-cola was built to last

[0:49:35] Voice 12: and so in that case it was engineers need to engineer not only to the requirements of the

[0:49:44] Voice 12: land but the requirements of of of the like the the the budget or the expectations of the lifespan

[0:49:53] Voice 12: of the system and and so if they were to do climate modeling and show over 75 years that

[0:49:59] Voice 12: that the proposed location is likely not to be at risk.

[0:50:04] Voice 12: We did have a seismic event not too long ago,

[0:50:07] Voice 12: a few months ago at 6.5 magnitude underneath Galliano Island.

[0:50:15] Voice 12: So, you know, we do live in a high risk area.

[0:50:19] Voice 12: And so the best that we can do is model for that.

[0:50:22] Voice 12: And so I think for the most extreme events,

[0:50:25] Voice 12: they're actually difficult to model.

[0:50:26] Voice 12: and so in the hazard of not over building that I think that that would

[0:50:37] Voice 12: make sense I just think says will not be at risk they are at risk of seismic and

[0:50:43] Voice 12: erosion based hazards they're just mitigated to to not have them fail

[0:50:48] Voice 12: because of them it's definitely a high risk so that's why it's in that DPA

[0:50:59] Trustee McConchie: Yeah,

[0:51:00] Trustee Morrison: so I think, so thank you very much, Peter, for being here today and for the conversation

[0:51:08] Trustee Morrison: and the materials.

[0:51:09] Trustee Morrison: I think it's really clear what you're asking for.

[0:51:13] Trustee Morrison: We always are going to have this challenge now, like of thinking about into the future

[0:51:18] Trustee Morrison: of all these changes.

[0:51:19] Trustee Morrison: And a lot of these zones that we've had have not necessarily been, I mean, they weren't really even created with climate change in mind, right?

[0:51:28] Trustee Morrison: So, and any solid geotechnical engineer is going to have to put that kind of line in there now because it's the

[0:51:37] Trustee Morrison: reality that we're facing now.

[0:51:40] Trustee Morrison: But it's still a little bit unpredictable where those things are.

[0:51:43] Trustee Morrison: um and to to william's point about sort of the life of the system issue um you know i think in

[0:51:52] Trustee Morrison: the situation that you have here it's the least disruptive to put the field where you're suggesting

[0:51:58] Trustee Morrison: um and understanding that you know 40 years from now you might actually have to like you rip it

[0:52:07] Trustee Morrison: out and move it if there's instability starting to creep into that region. And so but you would

[0:52:14] Trustee Morrison: do that anyway, because it would be on you as a homeowner not to be causing any kind of damage

[0:52:20] Trustee Morrison: and pollution in the area. So I actually feel like this is okay, because of, you know, the

[0:52:27] Trustee Morrison: alternatives for where you might put it could end up cutting more trees or causing more damage. And

[0:52:33] Trustee Morrison: and you know, does look reasonably stable.

[0:52:36] Trustee Morrison: I do want you to be a little careful.

[0:52:38] Trustee Morrison: I saw in some of the photos that there was a heavy machinery

[0:52:42] Trustee Morrison: driving along the boundary of the DPA

[0:52:44] Trustee Morrison: and just like, that's gonna be your bigger issue,

[0:52:47] Trustee Morrison: I think, in putting in the system

[0:52:48] Trustee Morrison: and being careful about that

[0:52:50] Trustee Morrison: because heavy machinery in the DPA

[0:52:52] Trustee Morrison: should be really highly regulated and controlled.

[0:52:54] Trustee Morrison: So just

[0:52:55] Trustee Morrison: be careful about that.

[0:52:57] Trustee Morrison: Can

[0:52:57] Voice 11: I speak to that?

[0:52:58] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[0:52:59] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[0:52:59] Voice 11: Okay. So, um, there, so I'm not sure, maybe it's not fully clear here, but there is a current

[0:53:08] Voice 11: septic system in there. It had to, it, it was not, uh, it did not have the blessing of island health.

[0:53:17] Voice 11: Okay. So, but it has not been used. It was, it's only being used maybe a few days in the lifespan

[0:53:23] Voice 11: span of the system. So

[0:53:25] Voice 11: the septic engineer, Elliot Proctor, he exposed the system by hand digging

[0:53:31] Voice 11: and to pass through Island Health, we needed an excavator to dig test holes so he could

[0:53:40] Voice 11: show that there's enough proper sediment for PERC. And then he performed PERC tests in the area.

[0:53:48] Voice 11: So aside from what you saw in the picture, there won't be any excavators there.

[0:53:54] Voice 11: Most of the system is in, and the only thing left to install is another cannonball septic tank, which is very close to, it's between where the end of the house, the future house will be, and the start of the DP zone.

[0:54:14] Voice 11: All

[0:54:18] Trustee Morrison: right. So I don't actually have any concerns about this. I think that it's okay. And understanding too, which is always a challenge with these DP zones, that DP zones are really made to have us take a closer look at any one area and understand what the combination of circumstances are for any one area.

[0:54:38] Trustee Morrison: So in this area I don't have any problems with approving this permit because I think the geotechnical person like really clearly named anything and covered it, and the, you're not cutting more trees you're not just like disturbing something that radically.

[0:54:54] Trustee Morrison: It's actually the lesser of disturbing if you were to put it somewhere else. So I think all of that means this is actually a, I'm happy to support this.

[0:55:02] Trustee Morrison: thank you

[0:55:04] Trustee Patrick: thank you uh i just wanted to catch william i don't i think you said a 6.5 magnitude

[0:55:09] Trustee Patrick: earthquake the december earthquake was in the threes i think it was 3.8 or something

[0:55:16] Trustee Patrick: make sure that oh

[0:55:17] Voice 12: yeah right that was um that was the 2018 earthquake was 6.5 there

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: we go right

[0:55:23] Voice 12: that correction i did

[0:55:25] Voice 12: feel it though on salt spring island that's for sure yeah

[0:55:29] Trustee Patrick: yeah we are

[0:55:31] Trustee Patrick: in a seismic zone i absolutely agree okay um if there are no further comments there is a resolution

[0:55:37] Trustee Patrick: on page 66. i'll

[0:55:42] Trustee Morrison: go ahead um

[0:55:44] Trustee McConchie: go ahead sorry trustee no

[0:55:46] Trustee Morrison: i'll go ahead and put the motion on the table

[0:55:48] Trustee Morrison: okay

[0:55:49] Trustee McConchie: um

[0:55:51] Trustee Morrison: did the north pender island local trust committee approve issuance and development permit

[0:55:54] Trustee Morrison: npdp 2021.9 rooms is there a second i'll

[0:56:00] Trustee McConchie: second second

[0:56:00] Trustee Morrison: by trustee mcconkey

[0:56:01] Trustee Patrick: any discussion

[0:56:02] Trustee Patrick: just

[0:56:03] Trustee McConchie: quickly yes sorry

[0:56:05] Trustee McConchie: to interrupt i'm not sure if i want the record to i i'm not sure how to put

[0:56:10] Trustee McConchie: this but like it concerns me that the engineer wrote that in the report and that climate while

[0:56:18] Trustee McConchie: we don't know the future um we certainly know that erosion is going to happen and sea levels

[0:56:25] Trustee McConchie: levels are going to rise so um well I right now in 2022 I certainly support this uh but it is

[0:56:34] Trustee McConchie: concerning uh what potentially could happen uh to Sydney Island and uh but I'm certain Peter uh

[0:56:41] Trustee McConchie: will he's taking a you know he's he's comfortable with this decision and uh I appreciate you

[0:56:46] Trustee McConchie: listening to our our discussion about this thank you

[0:56:49] Trustee Patrick: sorry go ahead well I was just going to say

[0:56:54] Trustee Patrick: as we need to look at all the development permit areas

[0:56:58] Trustee Patrick: that have been created with that lens of climate change

[0:57:02] Trustee Patrick: and update and predict,

[0:57:03] Trustee Patrick: because a lot of them are dated at a time

[0:57:05] Trustee Patrick: when the rate of climate change wasn't as known.

[0:57:10] Trustee Patrick: So we have a lot of work cut out for us.

[0:57:13] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison.

[0:57:14] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and I think that's sort of my thought

[0:57:17] Trustee Morrison: is we are in the process of trying to understand that

[0:57:19] Trustee Morrison: through local land use bylaws,

[0:57:21] Trustee Morrison: through other types of measures more broadly across the trust.

[0:57:23] Trustee Morrison: and hopefully within the next four or five years we actually have a kind of rethink across the

[0:57:28] Trustee Morrison: region about what this looks like and what these impacts are um and so yeah i feel okay about this

[0:57:35] Trustee Morrison: right now but yeah it's it's definitely something that everyone in the trust area needs to be

[0:57:40] Trustee Morrison: thinking about how we pull back a bit from the sea so thank you well

[0:57:43] Trustee Patrick: thank you any further discussion

[0:57:46] Trustee Patrick: i'll call the vote then all those in favor and that's carried so thank you peter for being here

[0:57:52] Trustee Patrick: here today and good luck on your project on Sydney.

[0:57:55] Voice 11: Okay, thank you very much, trustees.

[0:57:57] Voice 11: Have a good day.

[0:57:58] Trustee Patrick: All

[0:57:58] Voice 11: right, thank you.

[0:58:00] Trustee Patrick: All right, trustees, how we doing?

[0:58:01] Trustee Patrick: Everyone want to keep going?

[0:58:03] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to trustees if there's a break ever needed,

[0:58:05] Trustee Patrick: but at this time we're going to move into

[0:58:08] Trustee Patrick: our land use bylaw review project.

[0:58:10] Trustee Patrick: So it's 14.1

[0:58:11] Voice 8: on the end.

[0:58:12] Trustee Patrick: We lost Deb.

[0:58:13] Trustee Patrick: We just lost Deb.

[0:58:15] Voice 8: Maybe let's take, let's take three.

[0:58:18] Voice 8: Oh, she back.

[0:58:19] Voice 8: Want to take three minutes?

[0:58:20] Voice 8: oops

[0:58:22] Trustee Patrick: yeah she somehow

[0:58:23] Trustee Patrick: trustee morrison was pushed over to the attendee side

[0:58:28] Trustee Patrick: so uh robin if you could just see somehow accidentally trustee morrison was moved over

[0:58:35] Trustee Patrick: she is here she was just degraded downgraded i don't

[0:58:42] Trustee McConchie: know if you're downgrading

[0:58:43] Trustee McConchie: that's

[0:58:44] Trustee Patrick: not the right word i'm choosing bad words today that's all right

[0:58:47] Trustee Patrick: i hope you enjoyed your

[0:58:49] Trustee Patrick: trip to the attendee side of the uh a little virtual tour sorry that's all right thanks thank

[0:58:55] Trustee Patrick: you robin um okay uh did you want a quick break or we keep going keep going then

[0:59:02] Trustee Patrick: all right so

[0:59:03] Trustee Patrick: we're on the land use bylaw report and uh on page 94 the agenda package and over to you planner

[0:59:08] Trustee Patrick: stockville thank

[0:59:09] Planner Stockdill: you so this uh this staff report is is to provide further information to the ltc

[0:59:15] Planner Stockdill: regarding the land use bylaw review project and there's three major topic areas today

[0:59:21] Planner Stockdill: the first one is maximum floor area and lot coverage the second is commercial tourist

[0:59:28] Planner Stockdill: accommodation which is also known as c2 zoning and the third is in stream dock applications with

[0:59:37] Planner Stockdill: the province so and then also I guess the fourth is also about the timeline for the project so if

[0:59:44] Planner Stockdill: the ltc is an agreeance what i'll do is i'll just speak to each major topic first and then we can

[0:59:49] Planner Stockdill: have a discussion afterwards okay thank you so the first item we'll speak to is with regards

[0:59:53] Planner Stockdill: to maximum floor area and lot coverage so currently the land use bylaw they're the draft

[1:00:00] Planner Stockdill: use bylaw as it's currently written includes lot coverage and lot coverage is correlated with lot

[1:00:06] Planner Stockdill: size and what that means that the smaller lot you have the smaller maximum floor area you'd be

[1:00:13] Planner Stockdill: permitted the larger lot the higher maximum floor area so there is that correlation there

[1:00:18] Planner Stockdill: also the amendment to the land use bylaw we've added impermeable surfaces to the calculation

[1:00:26] Planner Stockdill: So that would add a further restrictions to the massing or build out of properties and those would be primarily, you'll see the most impact to smaller lot sizes so a magic like estates, but at the December 4 LTC meeting the LTC requested to provide

[1:00:47] Planner Stockdill: for staff to provide some information based on total maximum floor area restrictions for all

[1:00:55] Planner Stockdill: buildings and structures and this is similar similar to what south pender land use bylaw

[1:01:00] Planner Stockdill: contains so for south pender the land use bylaw does not have lot coverage but rather restricts

[1:01:08] Planner Stockdill: total maximum floor area so one thing i just wanted to make clear is it's it's either one or

[1:01:15] Planner Stockdill: the other either a land use bylaw has lot coverage or a land use bylaw regulates total floor area of

[1:01:23] Planner Stockdill: all buildings and structures so the ltc may want to make should make a decision which would best

[1:01:30] Planner Stockdill: achieve uh the intent or the goal um so staff have made the recommendation to retain the current

[1:01:39] Planner Stockdill: regulations to keep lot coverage in and to continue to add the impervious services

[1:01:46] Planner Stockdill: to the lot coverage calculation. In terms of speaking to impermeable services or material,

[1:01:56] Planner Stockdill: staff have provided a draft definition that can be added to the land use bylaw

[1:02:01] Planner Stockdill: and that's on page 97 of the agenda so staff would be looking for direction from the LTC to add that

[1:02:09] Planner Stockdill: that definition this would just provide more clarity of what is impermeable material what

[1:02:14] Planner Stockdill: does that mean and the third item is cottage floor floor area we've discussed this before

[1:02:21] Planner Stockdill: and the draft land use bylaw the amendments were were actually changing the definition of a cottage

[1:02:27] Planner Stockdill: to take out the maximum floor area and actually put the maximum floor of a cottage within the

[1:02:35] Planner Stockdill: bylaw uh so that allows property owners then to vary maximum floor air for cottage because

[1:02:41] Planner Stockdill: cottages because currently the land use bylaw you cannot vary a definition but there has been

[1:02:47] Planner Stockdill: discussion about increasing the maximum floor area currently it's 56 square meters which is

[1:02:53] Planner Stockdill: approximately i believe 600 square feet um south pender land use bylaw regulars regulates cottages

[1:02:59] Planner Stockdill: that have a maximum floor area of 70 square meters,

[1:03:03] Planner Stockdill: which is about 750 square feet.

[1:03:06] Planner Stockdill: So if that's something the LTC is interested in,

[1:03:09] Planner Stockdill: including in this project,

[1:03:12] Planner Stockdill: then clear direction would be required for that.

[1:03:15] Planner Stockdill: So those are the three items I'm going to speak to.

[1:03:18] Planner Stockdill: So in terms of direction from the LTC that I'm looking for,

[1:03:23] Planner Stockdill: it's one, retaining the lot coverage

[1:03:27] Planner Stockdill: and the land use bylaw.

[1:03:28] Planner Stockdill: two if the ltc is interested in increasing the maximum flurry of cottages from 56 square meters

[1:03:35] Planner Stockdill: to another amount and three adding impermeable material to the uh the draft land use bylaw

[1:03:42] Planner Stockdill: thank

[1:03:44] Trustee Patrick: you partner over to you trustees for questions and comments on this portion um

[1:03:51] Trustee McConchie: my quick comments yeah i want to increase the size of cottages uh to reflect uh changing

[1:03:57] Trustee McConchie: demographics so we need to discuss that and come up with a number that would be appropriate i believe

[1:04:05] Trustee McConchie: um the other comment i had was just about impermeable surfaces um i i spoke there was

[1:04:11] Trustee McConchie: a couple questions i had from uh as well from constituents so uh like garages how are they

[1:04:17] Trustee McConchie: impacted by by these potential changes um and are secondary suites to be included in the um

[1:04:24] Trustee McConchie: calculation of the total floor area uh and yeah and just the discussion of um

[1:04:33] Trustee McConchie: that just for if you have any clarification just quickly yeah

[1:04:37] Planner Stockdill: so secondary suites yes it's included

[1:04:40] Planner Stockdill: in the the calculation of the maximum floor area of a dwelling unit so if you have a dwelling unit

[1:04:46] Planner Stockdill: that's 100 square feet and you have a secondary suite that's 500 square feet that's 1500 you'd

[1:04:53] Planner Stockdill: still be under the allowance of 2500 square feet so yes it's it's calculated in that in terms of

[1:05:00] Planner Stockdill: a garage is the question regarding uh maximum floor area yeah yeah

[1:05:07] Planner Stockdill: if it's attached to the house

[1:05:08] Planner Stockdill: yes okay if

[1:05:10] Planner Stockdill: your garage is attached to the house you'd be included in the um the calculation of

[1:05:15] Planner Stockdill: the maximum floor area for your dwelling unit yeah

[1:05:18] Trustee McConchie: i'm just wondering if there's this consequence of

[1:05:20] Trustee McConchie: of folks if we include that you know uh the secondary suite into this are we discouraging

[1:05:27] Trustee McConchie: people from potentially building secondary suites is the kind of hypothetical that i was going

[1:05:33] Trustee McConchie: through my mind because i'd like to encourage people as much as possible i think secondary

[1:05:37] Trustee McConchie: suites are a really good answer to a lot of our housing issues on the island and we've only had

[1:05:41] Trustee McConchie: one or maybe two building permits taken out uh according to the building inspector uh to build

[1:05:46] Trustee McConchie: a secondary suite and uh that strikes me as a as rather than building you know uh dense

[1:05:52] Trustee McConchie: densification of houses you can certainly uh or a cluster of houses or whatever's been proposed

[1:05:58] Trustee McConchie: by the islands uh community groups uh you can encourage secondary suite development uh that

[1:06:04] Trustee McConchie: would be that's that's really needed so i'm wondering if this will impact these changes

[1:06:07] Trustee McConchie: may impact that

[1:06:08] Trustee Morrison: yeah i i have a couple of thoughts on that so i i think one of the challenges we have

[1:06:15] Trustee Morrison: is we have really crude tools for for land use planning and management and we don't necessarily

[1:06:21] Trustee Morrison: we're we're in this tension between you know having really big houses that could potentially

[1:06:27] Trustee Morrison: like start to seep into our community versus managing for people who live here and trying

[1:06:32] Trustee Morrison: to help them live here in like economical and realistic ways and like address the housing

[1:06:37] Trustee Morrison: challenge that we're having so a couple thoughts one is that um depending on what we determine is

[1:06:44] Trustee Morrison: appropriate like having this 2500 square feet for instance um as a maximum floor area so that's

[1:06:51] Trustee Morrison: actually pretty close to what my house is i have a um i have a home office and this house was built

[1:06:57] Trustee Morrison: with the intent of potentially being able to secondary suite one corner of the house and it's

[1:07:02] Trustee Morrison: totally big enough for that so and for this area so i think that for many many people that's going

[1:07:08] Trustee Morrison: to be enough if it's if they want a bigger one because they have a bigger family in the main

[1:07:13] Trustee Morrison: house or whatever then we're not saying you can't do that we're just saying you have to apply for it

[1:07:18] Trustee Morrison: and show us how you're doing it um and you have to vary it so we we can't make the like default rule

[1:07:25] Trustee Morrison: so broad that it allows every possibility but we can allow for the fact that people can apply for

[1:07:31] Trustee Morrison: a variance on that um and change it based on a design that fits with the community that fits

[1:07:37] Trustee Morrison: with their neighbors that all of those things so i think that this that the limits we've we've

[1:07:43] Trustee Morrison: shifted our thinking around what even is the maximum floor area given lot size. And I think

[1:07:48] Trustee Morrison: because of these things, because of garages, because of home offices, because of secondary

[1:07:52] Trustee Morrison: suites. And I think that these numbers are much more reflective of a reality that allows for all

[1:07:58] Trustee Morrison: these things already. And in the rare case that it is more than that, then I think we're quite

[1:08:04] Trustee Morrison: reasonable at being able to like look at a variance and think about that in the context of

[1:08:08] Trustee Morrison: the community and gives the neighbors a little bit of chance to weigh in on that and like a bunch of

[1:08:12] Trustee Morrison: things like that. So, um, so I think that we're okay with that. The garage thing is always a

[1:08:20] Trustee Morrison: challenge because garages take up a lot of space if they're attached to the house. And especially

[1:08:26] Trustee Morrison: with, you know, preserving trees and having trees dump stuff on your nice car. Like I totally

[1:08:30] Trustee Morrison: understand that problem. Um, so, you know, if folks are feeling like they don't have enough

[1:08:37] Trustee Morrison: capacity for garages i think it's something we could revisit as we go forward like maybe you

[1:08:43] Trustee Morrison: know it does look like it's too tight again i i actually still don't think it's necessarily too

[1:08:48] Trustee Morrison: tight for for garages right now um i don't know i'd have to see some clear argument about that

[1:08:55] Trustee Morrison: um but again i i just don't think we can make the sort of default rule too expansive to be able to

[1:09:03] Trustee Morrison: meet the other things that we're trying to balance which is like the retention of forest cover the

[1:09:07] Trustee Morrison: the retention of of um you know the sort of park-like feel that pender is um and you know

[1:09:14] Trustee Morrison: keeping that sort of rural space um there was something else you've mentioned then that i

[1:09:22] Trustee Morrison: cottages

[1:09:23] Trustee McConchie: oh

[1:09:23] Trustee Morrison: the cottages so i have gone back and forth a bit on the issue of like um and it was

[1:09:30] Trustee Morrison: something else that was ronda i think mentioned at the beginning here about two buildings versus

[1:09:35] Trustee Morrison: is one for the same floor area. I go back and forth on that issue because I think it actually

[1:09:40] Trustee Morrison: could really help resolve some of our housing challenges, right? Like we've seen that on one

[1:09:46] Trustee Morrison: of the short-term vacation rentals in Magic Lake. They're somehow amazing. The person got

[1:09:53] Trustee Morrison: permission to have a legal second dwelling on the lot. And I was like, I looked at that and I was

[1:09:58] Trustee Morrison: like, wow, you know, if those houses that actually been a little bit more equal sized or like

[1:10:03] Trustee Morrison: like designed in a different way, what harm is that actual clustering of houses in that space

[1:10:08] Trustee Morrison: doing in this context? Like, and it's allowing additional housing in ways that don't cluster it

[1:10:14] Trustee Morrison: as a giant 30 unit effort somewhere else, right? It allows it to be sprinkled across the landscape

[1:10:20] Trustee Morrison: a little more. And, you know, it's a tension I have because it increases density, right? It

[1:10:27] Trustee Morrison: it increases density in one area, but I also think if we limit sort of density with house size,

[1:10:35] Trustee Morrison: maybe we allow for a little bit more flexibility of how that density unfolds on the landscape.

[1:10:42] Trustee Morrison: And so, I don't know, I'm a little bit torn about this idea. And I think it relates to the

[1:10:48] Trustee Morrison: cottage comment you made that maybe we allow people to have up to two dwellings, you know,

[1:10:55] Trustee Morrison: on any of the places on pender not necessarily limiting it to three acres or more and they divide

[1:11:01] Trustee Morrison: the square footage as they wish um in that space and i know that totally throws a wrench in this

[1:11:07] Trustee Morrison: kim but i just like i don't know i'd love to hear your thoughts on it then because i do think that

[1:11:12] Trustee Morrison: that might actually address some of our longer term both ability for actual everyday working

[1:11:18] Trustee Morrison: people to own a house here and having some housing stock that's actually reasonable for people to

[1:11:26] Trustee Morrison: rent.

[1:11:28] Trustee Patrick: I was going to say I'll jump in because I just spent four days the week before last

[1:11:34] Trustee Patrick: studying this 24 hours a day on exactly this question and there is a BC Housing has a document

[1:11:42] Trustee Patrick: called Accessory Dwelling Units Case Studies and Best Practices from BC Communities so a good

[1:11:47] Trustee Patrick: resource to uh to take a take a look at that talks about all of this it's a it's a brand new i think

[1:11:53] Trustee Patrick: it's a 2021 um resource so good document uh because we're we're having the same conversation

[1:11:59] Trustee Patrick: here on salt spring as um you know i i looked at i looked at your census today uh and you have a 1.95

[1:12:08] Trustee Patrick: uh residents per dwelling you know is using your population divided by dwellings that are noted as

[1:12:16] Trustee Patrick: being you know resident use now the census a dwelling in the census doesn't necessarily mean

[1:12:21] Trustee Patrick: a house it's what the person can fulfilling the census declared as being their dwelling so it's a

[1:12:27] Trustee Patrick: it could be any anything um but you know when we look at a family house of houses built for

[1:12:36] Trustee Patrick: a family to be living there but you know most of our houses have you know one to two people in them

[1:12:43] Trustee Patrick: how is having a suite whether it's in the main building or an accessory building

[1:12:50] Trustee Patrick: be different if it's the total impact and i think i think you're on you know by using

[1:12:55] Trustee Patrick: floor area to sort of say you're you have some more choices on how you orient your property

[1:13:01] Trustee Patrick: that if those houses are being used for permanent rental basis versus uh uh you know short-term

[1:13:09] Trustee Patrick: vacation rental how they're hard to manage but it does give us more options to consider for for

[1:13:16] Trustee Patrick: housing people in a flexible way and

[1:13:19] Trustee Morrison: then one follow-up comment to that turn patrick the one

[1:13:22] Trustee Morrison: issue that i can see clearly um where there is a problem is potentially increases the amount of

[1:13:28] Trustee Morrison: forest coverage reduction right because you have to space the buildings um and that spacing of

[1:13:35] Trustee Morrison: buildings creates a bigger opening of of where so that's the issue that i think um and you'd

[1:13:42] Trustee Morrison: already have to prove that you have enough water and sewer capacity all all of that would already

[1:13:46] Trustee Morrison: have to be in place but um that would be the biggest issue is that you're potentially impacting

[1:13:51] Trustee Morrison: forest canopy um yeah

[1:13:54] Trustee Patrick: yeah now we're on salt spring we're trying to look at ways of managing

[1:13:57] Trustee Patrick: that but putting that into the bylaw of managing you know the reduction of the environmental impacts

[1:14:01] Trustee Patrick: is what we're challenging staff to come up with we like to challenge staff sorry sorry kim um

[1:14:08] Trustee Patrick: any other i see narissa chadwick has uh raised her hand hi hello this is our other staff member

[1:14:16] Trustee Patrick: narissa chadwick welcome

[1:14:17] Voice 18: hi i just happened to be in the meeting because i'll be presenting later

[1:14:20] Voice 18: and uh so i was listening to the conversation here and um i just want to um identify that

[1:14:26] Voice 18: But what you're talking about here with respect to the potential of having a maximum floor area divided between a number of buildings or two buildings is exactly what Maine is currently looking at through their flexible housing project.

[1:14:45] Voice 18: So that project, all of the information is on the website.

[1:14:50] Voice 18: So if you'd like to have a look, I'm happy to send it to all of you as well.

[1:14:56] Voice 18: the most recent report is pretty detailed, so it just sounds very similar to the direction that

[1:15:04] Voice 18: you're sort of talking about right now, so just thought I'd point that out. Thank you for sharing

[1:15:09] Voice 18: that.

[1:15:12] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, so further to the conversation, I mean, I guess I'm just trying to, yeah, this can

[1:15:18] Trustee McConchie: go so many different ways. Here's what my goal is, if I'm thinking about after all this conversation,

[1:15:25] Trustee McConchie: My goal is, I've had three separate folks say to me on three different properties, I have a big home. I don't want to live in it. I'm a senior who wants to stay on the property. The size of cottages are too small. So, does that address that? Perhaps, like what we're discussing, the flexible housing.

[1:15:45] Trustee McConchie: closing uh the other issue uh is um sorry let's start there so um just for a conversation because

[1:15:54] Trustee McConchie: i i would like to increase the size of a cottage to allow for that type of thing to happen i don't

[1:16:01] Trustee McConchie: want to lose folks on pender uh you know who can be taken care of by their family and who have lived

[1:16:06] Trustee McConchie: here forever i hope that that happens to me you know i want to die here and you know have marika

[1:16:10] Trustee McConchie: and my kids like make sure i'm i'm still able to live here so like you know i'm curious to know

[1:16:18] Trustee McConchie: what your thoughts are on that right there yeah

[1:16:21] Trustee Morrison: so from my perspective increasing the size of a

[1:16:24] Trustee Morrison: cottage um on bigger properties like ones that are already allowed to have cottages i don't see that

[1:16:31] Trustee Morrison: as really problematic like and naming that so like if if what we what if what we were to do is say

[1:16:37] Trustee Morrison: like on any place where you're allowed cottages already we increase it to like 750 or something

[1:16:43] Trustee Morrison: like that we'd have to think about what those numbers are like that to me seems reasonable

[1:16:47] Trustee Morrison: so long as we understand that that is it's still on the same land it's not subdividable

[1:16:52] Trustee Morrison: suddenly like all of those things it's an it's a cottage um when we're talking about how other

[1:17:00] Trustee Morrison: places that don't allow an additional cottage the question i would have is can we put like what is

[1:17:06] Trustee Morrison: the language that we put in that says this is not a separate cottage necessarily it's just the

[1:17:11] Trustee Morrison: existing floor area for the allowed um main building that you can split it and i think

[1:17:21] Trustee Morrison: kim this gets a little confusing because what happens if you're like in on three acres you

[1:17:26] Trustee Morrison: already have a cottage you like now want to build a house and you're allowed say 4 000 square feet

[1:17:33] Trustee Morrison: and can you split that 4,000 square feet into two bits and now you have three buildings on the same

[1:17:38] Trustee Morrison: acreage that's a bit of a question I have too not sure if I'm helping any you're

[1:17:45] Trustee McConchie: totally helping so

[1:17:45] Trustee McConchie: that's good to know what if we what if I've been discussing this you know with folks 950 square

[1:17:52] Trustee McConchie: feet start there increase the size of cottages and then the ratio of the and that's for 10 acre

[1:17:58] Trustee McConchie: acre lots, or whatever the maximum law and then create a ratio that shrinks that size based on

[1:18:04] Trustee McConchie: the size of the lot. So you so so folks can still build it because it's a 600 square foot cottage

[1:18:11] Trustee McConchie: isn't I mean, it's, it's not enough for I've been that's what I'm hearing from from, you know,

[1:18:16] Trustee McConchie: these seniors, but it's not big enough for them. Like they just need a little bit more and 900

[1:18:21] Trustee McConchie: apparently is or 950 is the perfect size according to a couple architects I've talked to who I mean,

[1:18:27] Trustee McConchie: it's it's sort of a nebulous numerical value that's ascribed to this but still um i want to

[1:18:34] Trustee McConchie: know your thoughts on that if we presented that to the next cim it's

[1:18:38] Trustee Patrick: not a nebulous number it's

[1:18:39] Trustee Patrick: actually in if you look to the accessory building it's what's defined as uh being sort of the

[1:18:44] Trustee Patrick: maximum number so i think

[1:18:45] Voice 1: it comes out to

[1:18:46] Trustee Patrick: 968 square feet is the uh i forget the metric i can't

[1:18:51] Trustee Patrick: do that on my uh over over top here um anyway yes oh

[1:18:57] Trustee Patrick: the other oh the other thing you were

[1:18:59] Trustee Patrick: talking about that we

[1:19:01] Trustee Patrick: were talking about on salt spring was um you can limit and say it's you get

[1:19:06] Trustee Patrick: a total of of you know one additional accessory dwelling unit whether it's a secondary suite in

[1:19:13] Trustee Patrick: the house or a cot you know so it's you choose where that structure is rather than ending up

[1:19:19] Trustee Patrick: with three um it's you the max is you know the primary house and uh one uh accessory dwelling

[1:19:27] Trustee Patrick: unit whether it's in the house in an accessory building or a cottage it's it's just you get one

[1:19:31] Trustee Patrick: um and that's and the other is some jurisdictions because i went out and read like every jurisdiction

[1:19:39] Trustee Patrick: i could find what they're doing some use the section 219 covenants uh to to uh prevent strata

[1:19:48] Trustee Morrison: i have no idea what that is and that sounds awesome can you say more about that i'll be

[1:19:54] Trustee Patrick: turned to kim about this section 219 covenants because that kind of relates to the next topic

[1:19:59] Trustee Patrick: we were going to have but um good to have a primer in those so

[1:20:03] Planner Stockdill: well to a section 2 219

[1:20:07] Planner Stockdill: covenant aside um our land use bylaws it states you can't actually subdivide uh through the strata

[1:20:13] Planner Stockdill: a property act a secondary street a secondary suite sorry from the dwelling unit so you can't

[1:20:19] Planner Stockdill: legally um make them two individual units where they have their separate ownership um um and i'm

[1:20:27] Planner Stockdill: just going to put the section 219 uh point on hold because i just want to clarify so land the

[1:20:34] Planner Stockdill: north pender land use bylaw for properties that are less than 1.2 hectares which is less than

[1:20:40] Planner Stockdill: three acres you're only permitted a dwelling unit and a secondary suite so you're not permitted a

[1:20:46] Planner Stockdill: cottage on properties less than three acres for anything greater than three acres you get your

[1:20:53] Planner Stockdill: you could potentially have a house a cottage and a secondary suite so you know one of the ways to

[1:21:00] Planner Stockdill: address the concern of restricting maximum floor area of a dwelling unit on those properties that

[1:21:07] Planner Stockdill: are less than three acres. Currently one to three acres is 3,000 square feet and those properties

[1:21:16] Planner Stockdill: that are less than one acre is 2,500 square feet in the land use bylaw. The LTC may want to

[1:21:22] Planner Stockdill: consider increasing that amount in order to support the creation or not to restrict

[1:21:30] Planner Stockdill: restrict someone from creating a secondary suite. Another option is keep the amounts as is. There's

[1:21:38] Planner Stockdill: also an amending OCP bylaw that outline points that the LTC reviews when reviewing a variance

[1:21:48] Planner Stockdill: permit for maximum floor area. So if a property owner comes forward and wants to increase their

[1:21:53] Planner Stockdill: maximum floor area the LTC has a number of points that they review to to try to support the

[1:22:01] Planner Stockdill: application and one of those could be the creation of a secondary suite so if somebody's coming

[1:22:06] Planner Stockdill: forward and states that well the 2,500 square feet isn't enough we would like a maximum square

[1:22:12] Planner Stockdill: footage of 3,000 square feet but the rationale for that is is to incorporate a secondary suite

[1:22:18] Planner Stockdill: suite so that could be a reason for the ltc to um to support the application that's

[1:22:24] Trustee McConchie: i think i guess

[1:22:25] Trustee McConchie: that's what i'm getting the kind of crux of my original point thanks fire sector was like okay

[1:22:29] Trustee McConchie: so is that an impediment still that they have to go through this process you know like right now

[1:22:35] Trustee McConchie: i'm hearing from folks that's just a bit of a pain in the butt to get a secondary suite built

[1:22:39] Trustee McConchie: you know and then you're saying oh and by the way if you want to build a secondary suite not only

[1:22:43] Trustee McConchie: you have to get the building permits pay them whatever 10 grand it is to soup it up then go

[1:22:47] Trustee McConchie: go through that process then go to the trust and then ask for permission to increase the maximum

[1:22:53] Trustee McConchie: size of their uh the floor area and you know you know what i mean like it's i can see people being

[1:22:59] Trustee McConchie: like ah what's the point so i'm wondering if we just need to say right away in the bylaw a change

[1:23:05] Trustee McConchie: definition that hey if you apply for a secondary suite uh you automatically get an extra bit of

[1:23:10] Trustee McConchie: space and so that's kind of my conversation point that i just wanted to bring up just i just want

[1:23:17] Trustee McConchie: want to encourage people to build secondary suites. I really, I'm talking to some Islanders

[1:23:20] Trustee McConchie: that really know their thing about housing here. It just seems like it's a, it's a really quick

[1:23:25] Trustee McConchie: and easy solution that this trust committee has worked hard on to promote at the beginning of our

[1:23:29] Trustee McConchie: term. And I just want to encourage that. And I'm not seeing, you know, the keeners building those

[1:23:34] Trustee McConchie: things yet. So, so

[1:23:36] Planner Stockdill: if, if we were to work through that scenario, so if the maximum is 2,500 square

[1:23:40] Planner Stockdill: foot and the bylaws says, well, you can get an additional 900 square feet if you create a

[1:23:45] Planner Stockdill: secondary suite okay so somebody comes forward provides building plans with a secondary suite

[1:23:51] Planner Stockdill: they're now permitted i do the math correctly 3,400 square feet you know they they rent out

[1:23:57] Planner Stockdill: their secondary suite for a few years then they decide no we actually want to take over right

[1:24:02] Planner Stockdill: what happens then if they take out

[1:24:05] Planner Stockdill: the suite then that then they're in a situation there where

[1:24:09] Planner Stockdill: it'd be exceeding the maximum floor area well

[1:24:13] Trustee McConchie: then they they i mean yeah what do they do

[1:24:16] Trustee McConchie: they have to tear down their house you know well

[1:24:18] Planner Stockdill: they would have to come back and apply for a

[1:24:21] Planner Stockdill: variance then so it's trying to trying to find a solution that wouldn't be as onerous to property

[1:24:29] Planner Stockdill: owners to encourage secondary suites but to do it in yeah a situation where there wouldn't be

[1:24:36] Planner Stockdill: we're not creating legal non-conforming or we're not creating non-conforming buildings

[1:24:41] Planner Stockdill: and you know

[1:24:42] Planner Stockdill: that may be something that i have to report back on at the march 12th meeting

[1:24:45] Planner Stockdill: okay or um or on the march 24th regular meeting yeah okay

[1:24:51] Planner Stockdill: that'd be great yeah if

[1:24:52] Trustee McConchie: you don't know

[1:24:53] Trustee McConchie: yeah no this is great reporting so

[1:24:55] Trustee Patrick: you still want feedback on whether uh we use a maximum

[1:25:01] Trustee Patrick: maximum floor area or lot percentage?

[1:25:05] Planner Stockdill: We could put a hold on that discussion until after

[1:25:10] Planner Stockdill: I report back. I can bring that forward with the discussion on secondary suites and potentially

[1:25:17] Planner Stockdill: increasing cottage floor area because I think this all really ties in. You're really trying to

[1:25:21] Planner Stockdill: get at the same issue potentially, but that's up to the LTC unless you want to make a decision now

[1:25:26] Planner Stockdill: on that.

[1:25:27] Trustee McConchie: I'd like to hear a report back. I think that's a good idea. I don't know about you,

[1:25:31] Trustee McConchie: trustee morrison also she tried uh our um mr chair patrick had his hand up

[1:25:38] Trustee Patrick: who i'm sorry was that

[1:25:40] Trustee Patrick: william william yeah

[1:25:41] Trustee Patrick: sorry well yeah

[1:25:42] Voice 12: sure patrick may i just um state something about water and

[1:25:46] Voice 12: secondary speeds that we've been processing through because we're going i'm there's some

[1:25:51] Voice 12: other ltcs like south spring island that we've been discussing secondary speeds in depth

[1:25:56] Voice 12: as a affordable housing strategy and through the technical working group of SWPA we've been

[1:26:03] Voice 12: talking about what would be a volume requirement or if there would be water requirement and

[1:26:09] Voice 12: I believe we're coming to a consensus that a secondary suite is within an existing dwelling

[1:26:15] Voice 12: and if that definition stands that a secondary suite is within a dwelling then it's within the

[1:26:23] Voice 12: that 2,000 liters per day deemed right

[1:26:26] Voice 12: of under the Water Sustainability Act as a dwelling.

[1:26:29] Voice 12: So then if there were to be a secondary suite

[1:26:33] Voice 12: that is developed, then there wouldn't necessarily need

[1:26:37] Voice 12: to be a proof of water requirement.

[1:26:41] Voice 12: On Salt Spring Island, they're looking to see

[1:26:43] Voice 12: where on the island secondary suites should be,

[1:26:49] Voice 12: I guess, engaged in.

[1:26:51] Voice 12: and and so the technical working group is is providing comment on areas where there could

[1:26:57] Voice 12: be maybe some water stresses and so secondary suites may belong or be more i guess beneficial

[1:27:05] Voice 12: elsewhere but um i think just going back to the proof of water requirement to lower the burden

[1:27:12] Voice 12: on the islander who wants to put a secondary suite that they wouldn't necessarily need to

[1:27:18] Voice 12: to proof water if it's in an existing ground.

[1:27:21] Voice 12: So it's just kind of one of them.

[1:27:22] Trustee McConchie: Stay at that.

[1:27:23] Trustee McConchie: That's great, thanks.

[1:27:25] Trustee McConchie: And then, thanks for that comment, William.

[1:27:29] Trustee McConchie: I'm just wondering, you know,

[1:27:31] Trustee McConchie: what planner Chadwick is thrown out here today.

[1:27:33] Trustee McConchie: They're doing something different on Maine

[1:27:35] Trustee McConchie: and should the North Bender Trust Committee

[1:27:37] Trustee McConchie: consider that as well?

[1:27:38] Trustee McConchie: Like, does that seem like a professional opinion

[1:27:42] Trustee McConchie: that that's something that North Bender

[1:27:43] Trustee McConchie: would benefit from reviewing

[1:27:45] Trustee McConchie: and maybe bringing to the community as well

[1:27:48] Trustee McConchie: all in this discussion no

[1:27:54] Planner Stockdill: it's not a question for myself it's

[1:27:56] Trustee McConchie: for planner chadwick yeah planner

[1:27:58] Trustee McConchie: chadwick threw out this idea that main island's got it going on and i'm wondering what uh you know

[1:28:03] Trustee McConchie: how that would impact north pender if it's something that the local trust committee should

[1:28:08] Trustee McConchie: seriously consider um

[1:28:10] Voice 18: so just like um following your conversation here it seems like there's a

[1:28:14] Voice 18: decision um for the ltc to be made around whether you choose to go for a maximum square footage or

[1:28:21] Voice 18: a lot coverage um and I'm thinking like within so it's clear that um you know I mean there could be

[1:28:29] Voice 18: an opportunity for Kim to come back uh to you with a an option which would um kind of identify what

[1:28:35] Voice 18: what the concept around uh Maine's flexible housing is um you know and yet just picking up on

[1:28:41] Voice 18: um oh mostly what I've been hearing from Trustee Morrison this idea of a divided square footage so

[1:28:47] Voice 18: So the basic idea around flexible housing for Maine is that there is a maximum square footage.

[1:28:55] Voice 18: So on smaller lots, well, their project originally was looking primarily at smaller lots.

[1:29:01] Voice 18: So lots that were under 0.6 hectares, basically, to allow for an additional small dwelling.

[1:29:12] Voice 18: And it has expanded to look at larger lots as well.

[1:29:15] Voice 18: but under the scenario basically there's a maximum square footage and I think what we're

[1:29:20] Voice 18: looking at is 2,000 on smaller lots or 2,500 I think they've yet to define it but flexible

[1:29:27] Voice 18: housing will allow for that to be divided between two dwellings on the smaller lots

[1:29:34] Voice 18: and then on larger lots it sort of goes up incrementally can be up to three depending on

[1:29:43] Voice 18: zoning um what we're looking at as part of that um project it's going to be a pilot project so

[1:29:51] Voice 18: not not being expanded throughout the whole island but just looking at particular areas

[1:29:57] Voice 18: and what we've i've been working quite closely with will

[1:30:00] Voice 18: around looking at the groundwater implications of what that potential extra density would have.

[1:30:09] Voice 18: And that's what's allowed us to sort of identify areas that would be ideal for that kind of a scenario.

[1:30:14] Voice 18: So, like I said, I mean, if you're thinking of going down that route where, you know,

[1:30:19] Voice 18: you're thinking, you know, do we need to be looking at cottage size specifically?

[1:30:25] Voice 18: specifically, or is it something where you want to maybe have a dwelling that's, you know, maybe

[1:30:30] Voice 18: two 1,200 square foot dwellings, or you'll be able to divide a maximum, that then, you know,

[1:30:39] Voice 18: I would encourage you to have a look at what Maine is doing.

[1:30:47] Trustee Morrison: And thanks very much.

[1:30:49] Voice 18: Yeah, thanks

[1:30:51] Trustee Morrison: very much for that. Because one of the things that I think too

[1:30:54] Trustee Morrison: too, is, you know, we're creating a separate zone for Magic Lake, for instance. And, you know,

[1:31:00] Trustee Morrison: Magic Lake has, according to the water study, it's a very different situation than it is up in Port

[1:31:06] Trustee Morrison: Wash, or, you know, some of the other places on the eastern side of the island. And so one of the

[1:31:12] Trustee Morrison: things that we could suggest in this moment is that, you know, if you are in that zone of the

[1:31:22] Trustee Morrison: the magic lake area that you could potentially divide your property size and or maybe if you're

[1:31:29] Trustee Morrison: under four acres or hectares i don't know i think it's best to do it in areas that we designate as

[1:31:36] Trustee Morrison: like water rich areas relatively speaking um that you know in balancing all the different

[1:31:43] Trustee Morrison: things that we're trying to balance um that you know water rich areas are more likely to

[1:31:49] Trustee Morrison: to be able to handle the divided square footage option,

[1:31:53] Trustee Morrison: as opposed to what William just talked about

[1:31:55] Trustee Morrison: with secondary suites,

[1:31:56] Trustee Morrison: because secondary suites are like integral in the building

[1:31:59] Trustee Morrison: and like under that, just one second, really.

[1:32:02] Trustee Morrison: And so in thinking about that,

[1:32:05] Trustee Morrison: it might be helpful to specify it

[1:32:08] Trustee Morrison: into Magic Lake more directly.

[1:32:11] Trustee Morrison: The challenges that we have is that

[1:32:13] Trustee Morrison: because of the high density already in the Magic Lake area,

[1:32:18] Trustee Morrison: we are potentially impacting forest coverage in a pretty serious way when we start doing that

[1:32:25] Trustee Morrison: and that becomes more of an issue um so it's it's a it's a dilemma and it's a balancing because

[1:32:33] Trustee Morrison: we're trying to get a lot of different things in play here um but i i would be open to that in that

[1:32:39] Trustee Morrison: that's that zone in particular.

[1:32:41] Trustee Morrison: Sorry.

[1:32:44] Trustee Patrick: William, should I?

[1:32:46] Voice 12: Yeah, sorry, just to, through the chair,

[1:32:48] Voice 12: to clarify my point about 2000 liters per day,

[1:32:52] Voice 12: that's, oh, I'm sorry,

[1:32:54] Voice 12: my mind goes to the single family domestic dwelling

[1:32:58] Voice 12: on a groundwater well, that's like my first thought.

[1:33:04] Voice 12: But if the consideration is that

[1:33:07] Voice 12: if there's a surface water license that someone is using,

[1:33:10] Voice 12: a personal like a one for domestic use and if that satisfies a dwelling it's usually not less

[1:33:16] Voice 12: than 2 000 liters per day however if you're in a water system that you're getting a share of a

[1:33:22] Voice 12: water license that is then being distributed to you in the manner in which that water system

[1:33:29] Voice 12: sees fit so for example in the north salt spring waterworks district there's a moratorium

[1:33:34] Voice 12: and there was an application for a secondary suite in one of the dwellings that it was already

[1:33:41] Voice 12: existing uh north salt spring waterworks district said no and so that um lot that property then

[1:33:48] Voice 12: drilled a well for the purposes of that secondary suite to provide additional water and there has

[1:33:56] Voice 12: been also talk about rainwater harvesting being a potential alternative supply for secondary

[1:34:03] Voice 12: So I would suggest that if there is a water distribution system like Magic Lake, then really there would need to be some type of, I don't know if assurance is the right word, but permission from that water district to increase that density in their region.

[1:34:26] Voice 12: because i imagine there are some smaller water systems on on north pender especially really on

[1:34:33] Voice 12: maine for sure where their water system is totally allocated and they wouldn't want to increase

[1:34:39] Voice 12: not density but intensity of use so that's something to consider when

[1:34:45] Voice 12: when describing this within a water service area yeah thank you thank you um

[1:34:51] Trustee Patrick: and before i go to

[1:34:53] Trustee Patrick: planner stock i also want to point out that we're not we're not talking about everyone doing this

[1:34:58] Trustee Patrick: so um i think that's something we have to we always fear those cases but we're looking at

[1:35:04] Trustee Patrick: trying to provide the people who want to do these things um how to allow them to do that

[1:35:09] Trustee Patrick: um planner stock bill i

[1:35:11] Planner Stockdill: thank you chair beckrick um yes i appreciate william's uh comments greatly

[1:35:16] Planner Stockdill: because yes the water district would certainly have a say and they may be concerned if uh density

[1:35:22] Planner Stockdill: is potentially doubling a magic lake and again most magic lake estates or properties are under

[1:35:30] Planner Stockdill: an acre and they're only permitted a dwelling unit in the secondary suite so they're not even

[1:35:34] Planner Stockdill: permitted a cottage right now so that that could be if you're if the LTC is seriously looking at

[1:35:41] Planner Stockdill: that it may have to become its own separate project because I think there would be a lot

[1:35:44] Planner Stockdill: of work that would need to be done to deal with that certainly worthwhile to do it to take a look

[1:35:50] Planner Stockdill: at it but i would fear that that would certainly delay uh the timeline of this project all right

[1:35:58] Trustee Patrick: um well i guess uh do you you wait for the next report and then but you still want a direction on

[1:36:05] Trustee Patrick: the definitely did you need direction on the definition of um your

[1:36:10] Trustee McConchie: impermeable services yeah

[1:36:12] Trustee Patrick: which is on page 97 yeah general consent oh sorry yeah

[1:36:17] Trustee Patrick: before we leave something to see

[1:36:18] Trustee Morrison: sorry yeah and I don't want to move on to impermeable services until we like wrap up

[1:36:23] Trustee Morrison: anything we need to give guidance on on the other one sorry go ahead Nerissa

[1:36:29] Trustee Patrick: Nerissa

[1:36:30] Voice 18: yeah I just I just wanted to mention that on on on main island um our the flexible

[1:36:35] Voice 18: housing project is um excluding the um the areas that are um where there are water water service

[1:36:42] Voice 18: areas because we've heard we've had a lot of pushback well we did some initial consultation

[1:36:46] Voice 18: and there was a lot of concern and the other thing I just wanted to note is that um um is that uh so

[1:36:54] Voice 18: the the report that's going to main for their meeting on Monday is looking at a whole variety

[1:37:00] Voice 18: of criteria to identify areas so if you do decide to move in that direction um and and it you know

[1:37:08] Voice 18: would likely be a separate project um um then uh you know I'd encourage you to have you know to

[1:37:15] Voice 18: define the criteria that you're interested in looking at um we have you know like i said i

[1:37:19] Voice 18: have been working with william so we've got some very detailed mapping that um that has been very

[1:37:24] Voice 18: effective in in sort of identifying some of those variables around water um and um uh yeah so just

[1:37:31] Voice 18: wanted to mention that all right uh trustee mcconkey

[1:37:36] Trustee McConchie: just so that's great thanks for this

[1:37:37] Trustee McConchie: conversation uh i just want to state my goal before the end of the term i'd like a baseline

[1:37:43] Trustee McConchie: line or the maximum size of a dwelling on North Pender. The current baseline is inappropriate

[1:37:51] Trustee McConchie: and that's our goal here. So whatever helps us expedite that before the end of the term

[1:37:59] Trustee McConchie: is something that I've promised the community that we'd address. The current regulation is

[1:38:06] Trustee McConchie: inappropriate. So if that means that we need to proceed without going into further projects,

[1:38:11] Trustee McConchie: I feel like it's important that we just continue the path

[1:38:14] Trustee McConchie: of the LTC that has been on so far.

[1:38:17] Voice 6: All right, thank you.

[1:38:21] Voice 6: Trust,

[1:38:22] Trustee Patrick: trust, I'm going to promote you, Planner Stockdell.

[1:38:26] Trustee Patrick: Oh, go ahead.

[1:38:30] Trustee McConchie: I just wanted to look

[1:38:31] Trustee Patrick: again to make sure Planner Stockdell,

[1:38:33] Trustee Patrick: do we have, do you have enough direction

[1:38:34] Trustee Patrick: or need any clarification on what you're reporting back on?

[1:38:39] Planner Stockdill: No, and I'll do my very best to have at the bare minimum

[1:38:43] Planner Stockdill: a brief report for march 12th and if we need to if i need to follow up then we can do that for

[1:38:47] Planner Stockdill: march 24th but i have enough here um thank you chair patrick um

[1:38:52] Trustee Morrison: so so sorry kim so you are okay

[1:38:57] Trustee Morrison: with it because the the one comment i saw on page um 95 96 uh is like the removal of lock coverage

[1:39:05] Trustee Morrison: and then just going to square footage of all buildings on the property as a second column

[1:39:10] Trustee Morrison: um that that seems great to me like i think it's simpler for people to plan that because it doesn't

[1:39:15] Trustee Morrison: require a survey of the lot if they get close it's just the buildings themselves that need to be

[1:39:20] Trustee Morrison: measured um is that okay like is that enough information and is that okay with ben laura

[1:39:28] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:39:29] Planner Stockdill: it's really a decision up to the ltc but in terms of a survey for lot coverage it's rare that

[1:39:34] Planner Stockdill: where we ever have a situation like that it may become more common if the ltc keeps lot coverage

[1:39:40] Planner Stockdill: and starts to include impervious services then yes we'd start to require um um sorry surveys

[1:39:49] Planner Stockdill: um but that being said uh if you're starting if you're looking at total flare floor area of

[1:39:55] Planner Stockdill: buildings and so forth there may be circumstances where we need surveys for that as well

[1:39:59] Planner Stockdill: as well as building plans so okay

[1:40:04] Trustee Patrick: anything else on that topic otherwise move to the definition

[1:40:08] Trustee Patrick: of impervious surfaces on page 97

[1:40:11] Trustee McConchie: you're one chair patrick we're on page 95 of the staff report

[1:40:16] Trustee McConchie: where you've got 8.2.5 maximum floor area i mean this this to me this looks great you know

[1:40:21] Trustee McConchie: the only thing we need to decide i suppose what i'm understanding is um uh what how if we're

[1:40:29] Trustee McConchie: including impermeable materials in this definition correct and whether we're going to increase

[1:40:35] Trustee McConchie: cottage am i understanding where where you guys are heads heads up correct no

[1:40:41] Trustee Morrison: i saw i had one

[1:40:42] Trustee Morrison: other thing that i thought so so so one i like the figure two like ben so i think we're good on that

[1:40:48] Trustee Morrison: two i think the question of all coverage on the lot is still a little bit unclear on how

[1:40:55] Trustee Morrison: how we're representing that. So like, I see on figure two on page 96 here, that there are some

[1:41:01] Trustee Morrison: just suggestions on total floor area. And I don't know if you need guidance on that. That's what I'm

[1:41:08] Trustee Morrison: kind of asking for.

[1:41:10] Planner Stockdill: And I'm hearing two different things. I'm hearing from trustee McConkie that he

[1:41:14] Planner Stockdill: prefers figure one, if I'm not mistaken, and trustee Morrison, you like figure two. So it's

[1:41:19] Planner Stockdill: the lot coverage versus total maximum floor area. Am I getting that correct? I just want to

[1:41:25] Trustee McConchie: yeah that's right so

[1:41:28] Planner Stockdill: that's a discussion that the ltc has to have it is should that should it

[1:41:34] Planner Stockdill: should the land use bylaw only focus on lot coverage have a lot coverage of 25 or another

[1:41:39] Planner Stockdill: number or get rid of lot coverage and deal strictly with total floor area for all buildings

[1:41:46] Planner Stockdill: and structures which direction it should it's one or the other really yeah

[1:41:52] Trustee Morrison: and i like figure one

[1:41:54] Trustee Morrison: I just think it needs an additional column that is total floor area of all buildings as well.

[1:42:01] Planner Stockdill: And figure one, though, includes lot coverage. So that would be removed. 8.2.4.1 would be removed.

[1:42:09] Planner Stockdill: Yeah.

[1:42:09] Trustee Morrison: Yes, you're right. Yes. But I like the values that are in there for floor area. I didn't

[1:42:14] Trustee Morrison: see them in the figure two value. Oh, no, I see them on the far column there. Sorry,

[1:42:19] Trustee Morrison: just the way it was organized. I was looking for area first. Sorry.

[1:42:21] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:42:22] Planner Stockdill: so figure one it only includes the floor area for a dwelling unit and figure two has

[1:42:28] Planner Stockdill: examples or a scale of what potential total floor area for all buildings and structures

[1:42:35] Planner Stockdill: yeah

[1:42:36] Trustee Morrison: so it is actually figure two that i like with the the i don't know which one of the middle scale

[1:42:43] Trustee Morrison: or top scale i'm not sure if i care i

[1:42:45] Trustee McConchie: have to think about that how about this we have a community

[1:42:48] Trustee McConchie: We have a community information happening in March.

[1:42:52] Trustee McConchie: I'm wondering, Planner Stock Deal, there's two figures here we have.

[1:42:56] Trustee McConchie: Is it possible for us to hear from the community on what they think?

[1:43:01] Trustee McConchie: The LTC has decided, from what I'm hearing, we're going to move ahead with creating this bylaw.

[1:43:09] Trustee McConchie: I haven't heard arguments against this.

[1:43:14] Trustee McConchie: It's an opportunity on March 12th.

[1:43:16] Trustee McConchie: then at the end of march when we have an ltc meeting for folks to really tell us what they

[1:43:21] Trustee McConchie: think but the conversation i believe should be shaped around those two figures benefits uh does

[1:43:28] Trustee McConchie: that help you okay that's what

[1:43:30] Trustee McConchie: i'm thinking that's how i think this yeah that'd be great

[1:43:32] Trustee McConchie: conversation okay all

[1:43:34] Trustee Patrick: right well there we go um so that doesn't get us past though the definition

[1:43:40] Trustee Patrick: of impervious surfaces there on page 97 that's next

[1:43:45] Trustee Morrison: and and then had one other thing on those

[1:43:49] Trustee Morrison: tables that the cottage area would be increased in size yes

[1:43:53] Trustee McConchie: discussion of cottages for eight

[1:43:55] Trustee McConchie: three acres or more as planner stock deal yeah what number do we come up with that's that's

[1:44:01] Trustee McConchie: appropriate because i i do believe and it sounds like i'm hearing from patrick trustee morrison

[1:44:05] Trustee McConchie: and that they're they're likely to support a change in increasing the size of cottages

[1:44:09] Trustee McConchie: which would be new from that point okay thank you um and then impermeable material it looks like

[1:44:16] Trustee McConchie: just i'm rambling here hopefully not rambling hopefully trying to make sense

[1:44:21] Trustee McConchie: uh that uh you guys borrowed from the city of edmonton the city of delta for your definitions

[1:44:26] Trustee McConchie: uh the only question i had was uh because the staff have recommended and this is on page

[1:44:31] Trustee McConchie: page uh 97 of the staff report here at the bottom uh that the following definition uh of impermeable

[1:44:39] Trustee McConchie: material to the draft land use bylaw amendment bylaw that impermeable material means buildings

[1:44:44] Trustee McConchie: structures asphalt concrete brick stone and wood routed pavers and other surfaces is where i want

[1:44:52] Trustee McConchie: to find out what that means and other surfaces that prevent water from penetrating into the

[1:44:57] Trustee McConchie: ground beneath what are other surfaces what are they like that's sort of like with this this this

[1:45:02] Trustee McConchie: and some other stuff really

[1:45:05] Planner Stockdill: the emphasis i think shouldn't be on other surfaces but the emphasis

[1:45:09] Planner Stockdill: is on other service well surfaces that prevent water from penetrating into the ground beneath

[1:45:15] Planner Stockdill: so that's what we're looking for there could be a maraud of other surfaces out there that can't

[1:45:20] Planner Stockdill: be listed in there really the focus is where water can't re-enter back into the ground that's what

[1:45:27] Planner Stockdill: we're looking for that would be included in the impermeable material yeah

[1:45:33] Trustee McConchie: so you like the looks

[1:45:35] Trustee McConchie: of the the city of delta one relative to the city of edmonton right it's

[1:45:39] Planner Stockdill: a long list the city of

[1:45:40] Planner Stockdill: edmonton but the benefit of the city of edmonton is it really does spell it out what's included

[1:45:46] Planner Stockdill: what is not so that could be an option as well and makes it even more clear um one item that

[1:45:52] Planner Stockdill: isn't included in the city of delta um uh definition which i know we will get asked is

[1:45:59] Planner Stockdill: decks what happens to wood decks yeah you

[1:46:03] Planner Stockdill: know would that be and and so that so in the city of

[1:46:07] Planner Stockdill: edmonton um wood decks is not considered um impermeable material because the rain can still

[1:46:15] Planner Stockdill: pass through the gaps between the wood decking

[1:46:17] Voice 15: so

[1:46:19] Planner Stockdill: that one i could actually we can leave we don't

[1:46:24] Planner Stockdill: need to make a decision or the ltc does not have to make a decision right now i can tweak the

[1:46:28] Planner Stockdill: definition a little bit more so it's more it's more clear yeah

[1:46:33] Trustee Morrison: i really like the the city of

[1:46:36] Trustee Morrison: delta one because it leaves open some space for other surfaces that prevent water but i actually

[1:46:42] Trustee Morrison: do like the part of the city of edmonton that lists all the things that are okay because that

[1:46:46] Planner Stockdill: that'll

[1:46:46] Trustee Morrison: like stop a bunch of people from like worrying that those things

[1:46:48] Trustee Morrison: are okay so perhaps

[1:46:50] Planner Stockdill: i could just combine the two i'll come back with an edited version combining the two definitions

[1:46:56] Voice 7: yeah it's always good to be more specific i think yeah i guess you know but yeah fair enough

[1:47:01] Voice 7: that's great and

[1:47:03] Trustee Morrison: i really like kick him to like help people see not just what not to do but what

[1:47:07] Trustee Morrison: to do yes because we want people to have driveways and everything else and all that kind of stuff i

[1:47:12] Trustee Morrison: I know it's muddy.

[1:47:13] Trustee Morrison: We get it here too.

[1:47:14] Trustee Morrison: But like gravel's better than pavement

[1:47:15] Trustee Morrison: is basically what we're saying.

[1:47:19] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:47:20] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:47:21] Trustee Patrick: Is that enough direction, Planner Stockville?

[1:47:23] Planner Stockdill: Yes.

[1:47:23] Planner Stockdill: Thank you.

[1:47:24] Planner Stockdill: I appreciate that.

[1:47:25] Trustee Patrick: When Delta meets Edmonton.

[1:47:28] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:47:29] Trustee Patrick: Weird

[1:47:29] Planner Stockdill: combo of cities.

[1:47:31] Planner Stockdill: It was hard to find an example out there.

[1:47:35] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I understand.

[1:47:36] Trustee Morrison: That's interesting in itself, actually.

[1:47:38] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[1:47:40] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:47:41] Trustee Patrick: I will move on to the next item then,

[1:47:43] Trustee Patrick: commercial tourist accommodation commercial

[1:47:45] Planner Stockdill: tourist accommodation this again perhaps is

[1:47:49] Planner Stockdill: is one that we may have to report back on starting with the mckinnon road property so

[1:47:56] Planner Stockdill: where we left it is the ltc asked if the two property owners were interested in

[1:48:02] Planner Stockdill: registering a section 219 covenant and the staff report outlines what that process would look like

[1:48:10] Planner Stockdill: but we haven't received clear comment from the two property owners if they're interested or not

[1:48:17] Planner Stockdill: and I actually did receive two pieces of correspondence one from each property and

[1:48:22] Planner Stockdill: just this morning so I haven't had a chance to actually read it over

[1:48:25] Planner Stockdill: so really the decision the LTC needs to make is one waiting for the two property owners to

[1:48:36] Planner Stockdill: to register that section 219 or if they do not register that section 219 covenant is the other

[1:48:44] Planner Stockdill: option to simply I shouldn't say simply but to down zone the property and then the property

[1:48:50] Planner Stockdill: owners would have to go through a rezoning process for that increased density down the road

[1:48:56] Planner Stockdill: and so the staff report I've asked that staff write to each property owner and ask in writing

[1:49:03] Planner Stockdill: the following by a certain date a their plans for build out so how many commercial accommodation

[1:49:09] Planner Stockdill: units are they thinking about a building a total number also proposed and current methods

[1:49:17] Planner Stockdill: on what they have done or planning to do to protect groundwater and we have received that

[1:49:23] Planner Stockdill: from one property owner to date and also confirmation that they'll work with staff

[1:49:28] Planner Stockdill: to register a section 219 covenant and I think there's a concern from the property owners because

[1:49:34] Planner Stockdill: I think they'd like to see a draft covenant in place before they're willing to sign that

[1:49:39] Planner Stockdill: so what I could do is put something together in the next week or two just so the LTC and the

[1:49:45] Planner Stockdill: property owners can see what that section 219 would actually look like because I think there's

[1:49:51] Planner Stockdill: that concern them agreeing to something that they don't fully they haven't seen yet so although

[1:49:58] Planner Stockdill: Although I've recommended that I'd like to recommended that the property owners should report back by March 7, perhaps that which should be bumped back later in March, will staff will invite them to the March 12 CIM and hopefully at that point I can have a draft

[1:50:14] Planner Stockdill: section 219 covenant the ltc and property owners can look at and then we can continue this

[1:50:21] Planner Stockdill: discussion at the cim and the potentially at the march 24th meeting the ltc would have further

[1:50:26] Planner Stockdill: information on how they like to proceed with those mckinnon road properties and in terms of

[1:50:33] Planner Stockdill: the driftwood center at the december 4th ltc meeting uh the ltc said that they'll postpone

[1:50:40] Planner Stockdill: a decision on the rental housing zoning for that property until they have had a time to meet with

[1:50:45] Planner Stockdill: the property manager and report back at a subsequent LTC meeting I have attached correspondence from

[1:50:53] Planner Stockdill: the property manager I think it's attached as attachment number four and I believe Dorothy

[1:50:59] Planner Stockdill: may also be in attendance today if the LTC wanted to have that I don't see her here unfortunately so

[1:51:07] Planner Stockdill: So that's one item that the LTC,

[1:51:11] Planner Stockdill: that staff's looking for direction from the LTC

[1:51:13] Planner Stockdill: on how to proceed with the Driftwood Center.

[1:51:19] Trustee Patrick: All right, any comments?

[1:51:21] Trustee Patrick: Trustee McConkie?

[1:51:22] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I just have a couple of comments.

[1:51:23] Trustee McConchie: Thanks for the work on that, Planner Stockbrook.

[1:51:26] Trustee McConchie: So the current McKinnon Road,

[1:51:29] Trustee McConchie: the current zoning is, in my opinion, not appropriate.

[1:51:35] Trustee McConchie: However, I think it's important to work

[1:51:37] Trustee McConchie: with the property owners.

[1:51:38] Trustee McConchie: i don't have a uh an idea of what their resort that they want to do or put in looks like that's

[1:51:48] Trustee McConchie: really lacking for me as a trustee and and i've actually requested this um you know like write up

[1:51:55] Trustee McConchie: a simple thing hey we're thinking of actually only doing 10 units and it's all going to be

[1:52:01] Trustee McConchie: off the grid or whatever but right now i i have a correspondence that states the that the they

[1:52:09] Trustee McConchie: have addressed some water concerns they think they've addressed the concerns about and i'd be

[1:52:14] Trustee McConchie: curious to know from william uh if he has any comments yet about that uh and i just don't know

[1:52:21] Trustee McConchie: what their plan is right i think that's important if we're going to proceed to have them because

[1:52:27] Trustee McConchie: Because I talked to Trustee Dodds about the history, because she's the longest-serving trustee in the history of the island.

[1:52:35] Trustee McConchie: Oh, no, maybe it's John Mooney.

[1:52:37] Trustee McConchie: I can't remember, but she's been around a long time, and she was part of the process on Main Island.

[1:52:43] Trustee McConchie: They had all this old zoning on Main Island, and correct me if I'm wrong, Planner Chadwick, where it was a whole bunch of resorts.

[1:52:49] Trustee McConchie: and and the trust committee at the time you know either got rid of them uh because they

[1:52:56] Trustee McConchie: deemed them not appropriate or they uh worked with the property owners uh to to scale back

[1:53:03] Trustee McConchie: the size and as a result i think main island is positively impacted in the preserve and protect

[1:53:08] Trustee McConchie: concept so want to know your guys's thoughts and i just maybe i'll stop there uh william if you

[1:53:14] Trustee McConchie: had any comments or wanted to make comments on that

[1:53:18] Voice 15: specifically

[1:53:20] Trustee McConchie: is like do you have are you

[1:53:24] Trustee McConchie: going to formally make comments to the local trust committee about the impacts of current zoning on

[1:53:30] Trustee McConchie: groundwater uh in the mckinnon road area if that makes sense um

[1:53:38] Voice 12: well i think well maybe this is a

[1:53:44] Voice 12: question to uh for planners stockdale um it's more of a process question

[1:53:52] Voice 12: indeed i can especially if the ltc makes that resolution um the the one consideration of

[1:54:00] Voice 12: of anything to do with um commercial or non-domestic water use on the island is

[1:54:05] Voice 12: that a groundwater license is needed

[1:54:07] Voice 6: and

[1:54:08] Voice 12: and that that's is going to be a process and

[1:54:12] Voice 12: for the existing use currently on those on those lots that um there needs to be a existing

[1:54:20] Voice 12: groundwater application for for authorized use through a license and and to be granted that

[1:54:28] Voice 12: existing use they have one two three four days to get in that application and i encourage

[1:54:34] Voice 12: hunter stockville to reach out to the owners to make sure that they are doing so and

[1:54:39] Voice 12: and if that has not gained traction i would encourage the ltc maybe to reach out to them

[1:54:46] Voice 12: or a trustee individually i should say um but if they were to apply for expansion and new use it'd

[1:54:52] Voice 12: be a new use um under the water sustainability act and that would then go through water

[1:54:59] Voice 12: authorizations and not only would staff gets the referral but also I imagine the

[1:55:10] Voice 12: LTC can provide comment as well based on staff's recommendation to water

[1:55:15] Voice 12: authorization so that is a considerable I guess process in in the case of

[1:55:25] Voice 12: changing zoning I think if it's I wouldn't just provide that comment to the LTC without

[1:55:33] Voice 12: direction if the LTC wants it so I guess that again I want to go back to planner Stockdale

[1:55:43] Voice 12: to kind of understand that process but of course if the LTC makes a resolution to have

[1:55:48] Voice 12: we send a one-off staff report regarding groundwater implications of certain parcels

[1:55:55] Voice 12: of land or zones and that matter or the entire island in general like we've been going down

[1:56:00] Voice 12: this road for several years now of increasing the amount of data that I have at my you know

[1:56:10] Voice 12: disposal or use not disposal it's not the right word but that I can then have an evidence-based

[1:56:18] Voice 12: process to inform my comment so yeah i think i'll just turn that back so rambling thanks

[1:56:26] Voice 12: thank

[1:56:27] Planner Stockdill: you william so yes i did reach out to the two property owners uh this week um and asked uh

[1:56:34] Planner Stockdill: where they are in the process with the province um one property owner wasn't aware so i will follow

[1:56:41] Planner Stockdill: up with um an information on that and the other property owner um i believe is in process uh with

[1:56:48] Planner Stockdill: the province and they are both in attendance today as well the ltc has further questions

[1:56:54] Planner Stockdill: um otherwise we can always invite them to the march 12th meeting to discuss this further i'd

[1:57:02] Trustee McConchie: be happy to hear from them on march 12th because we've got a lot of topics to cover and we've

[1:57:06] Trustee McConchie: brought this issue up um there's concerns and and we want to the trust committee is interested in

[1:57:13] Trustee McConchie: and uh working together to uh appropriately plan this this highly dense area of north pender

[1:57:20] Trustee McConchie: yeah i

[1:57:21] Trustee Patrick: mean it was well i

[1:57:23] Trustee Patrick: mean it was i the conversations we had i thought were favorite

[1:57:26] Trustee Patrick: i thought the moving toward the section 219 was a great resolution for this because it sounded like

[1:57:32] Trustee Patrick: the initial conversations we heard were quite uh you know they were looking for a good

[1:57:39] Trustee Patrick: would, you know, a sustainable use, I guess, would be the term of those densities on their

[1:57:45] Trustee Patrick: properties from what I recall. So any other comments on this?

[1:57:54] Trustee Morrison: Yep. So I think the last

[1:57:58] Trustee Morrison: thing I would say on this is that we really, it's a little bit, I feel like we're having a little

[1:58:04] Trustee Morrison: bit of chicken and egg challenge um and we do need some understanding that there is a water

[1:58:13] Trustee Morrison: management plan going to be in place like not just some understanding like a handshake but like an

[1:58:18] Trustee Morrison: actual agreement before we go ahead and and finish our bylaw um project because we have a timeline

[1:58:25] Trustee Morrison: we do have a timeline that ben's alluded to it it's on our documents it's been on there for years

[1:58:29] Trustee Morrison: so like we have a timeline to finish this project and in that timeline we will either

[1:58:35] Trustee Morrison: see a covenant registered as part of this process or we will shift what the current zoning is on

[1:58:42] Trustee Morrison: the space to make it sort of required that people go through the whole process to figure out and

[1:58:47] Trustee Morrison: name a water management plan that has been named by our community that there's concerns about water

[1:58:52] Trustee Morrison: up in that region and that we need to make sure that we have addressed that so we have to see

[1:58:57] Trustee Morrison: it addressed like legally before we kind of make decisions about what the zoning looks like 100%

[1:59:03] Trustee Morrison: in that area. So and William, to your comments, my understanding was as part of the next phase

[1:59:11] Trustee Morrison: of the water management plan that we approved sometime in the fall, or maybe even last spring

[1:59:15] Trustee Morrison: is that we are actually asking for some feedback from you on like land use bylaw or bylaw generally

[1:59:23] Trustee Morrison: really kind of um suggestions in this next phase of how to implement the the water management so

[1:59:30] Trustee Morrison: i'm quite surprised to hear from you that you need a specific request from us to do that is that just

[1:59:36] Trustee Morrison: because of the zoning specific related to this particular piece because i thought that's what

[1:59:40] Trustee Morrison: we're getting back oh

[1:59:42] Voice 12: yeah through the chair um uh for particular applications like this one i've

[1:59:49] Voice 12: I've been working with Planner Stockdale.

[1:59:51] Voice 12: So that's been her process and we've had discussions

[1:59:57] Voice 12: with these two properties and I've given.

[2:00:00] Voice 12: feedback on them um uh planner chadwick is bringing forward um the process in which we're

[2:00:06] Voice 12: engaging the uh water sustainability strategy and so yes that implementation has been occurring and

[2:00:12] Voice 12: we're looking at um well we'll have that

[2:00:16] Voice 12: discussion when it comes so it's we we are bringing forward

[2:00:19] Voice 12: some options they are more island-wide options rather than specific so i i apologize to say

[2:00:26] Voice 12: say in the island in general, because we are doing that.

[2:00:31] Voice 12: It's just this for a particular application,

[2:00:34] Voice 12: I don't have those resolutions, but yes,

[2:00:38] Voice 12: that the resolution for providing land use by-law

[2:00:42] Voice 12: and OCP changes, we are bringing those forward

[2:00:44] Voice 12: for the LTC's consideration.

[2:00:47] Voice 12: And we've been doing that work and processing

[2:00:50] Voice 12: since we've received the data

[2:00:51] Voice 12: of the groundwater recharge potential,

[2:00:54] Voice 12: as well as the groundwater availability assessments.

[2:00:58] Voice 12: And to the point of a water management plan

[2:01:00] Voice 12: and all the respect to the correspondence

[2:01:02] Voice 12: that has been given to the LTC regarding these properties,

[2:01:05] Voice 12: that is not a water management plan.

[2:01:06] Voice 12: And I've been working with Planner Smith

[2:01:10] Voice 12: on several water management plans

[2:01:13] Voice 12: for affordable housing strategies on Galliano.

[2:01:18] Voice 12: And indeed there are different projects for sure,

[2:01:21] Voice 12: sure but water management plans have the same bones and so those should be reaching the Galliano

[2:01:28] Voice 12: LTC agenda packages I imagine in the near future as part of that approach application story and

[2:01:36] Voice 12: those can be shared with the LTC as well the applicant to to demonstrate what a water management

[2:01:41] Voice 12: plan looks like and and the amount of work that staff has put in with the applicants and their

[2:01:47] Voice 12: consultants to develop a water management plan that addresses climate change emergency supply

[2:01:52] Voice 12: storage um the type of water use etc all

[2:02:01] Trustee Patrick: right so then this is a wait till march 12th

[2:02:06] Trustee Patrick: issue as well i understand and then so the next is the driftwood was there any further

[2:02:12] Trustee Patrick: conversation on the driftwood

[2:02:15] Trustee McConchie: quickly uh just reading over the correspondence from

[2:02:20] Trustee McConchie: from Hartle Management, while rental housing,

[2:02:22] Trustee McConchie: so just a review, I mean, we asked,

[2:02:27] Trustee McConchie: basically, why don't you guys change your zoning from,

[2:02:32] Trustee McConchie: oh, Dorothy's here, I just see a note.

[2:02:35] Trustee McConchie: I'm not sure if Dorothy wants to be a part of conversation.

[2:02:38] Trustee McConchie: Rental housing and designation is a good idea.

[2:02:40] Trustee McConchie: We strongly feel this should be a permitted use

[2:02:42] Trustee McConchie: added to C2 zoning rather than a change.

[2:02:46] Trustee McConchie: They want to build a campsite there instead.

[2:02:48] Trustee McConchie: So they want to keep the zoning the same.

[2:02:51] Trustee McConchie: And I guess, I mean, the original intent of when I proposed the motion to change the C2 zoning to rental housing is to see if there was any, you know, interest from management companies, particularly landowners, in getting on top of this.

[2:03:11] Trustee McConchie: maybe especially for staff accommodation it sounds to me as though uh they would rather

[2:03:17] Trustee McConchie: they're more interested in building a campsite uh so i guess we're at the point now with the

[2:03:22] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee where we we either you know say well too bad we want you your zone to rental

[2:03:29] Trustee McConchie: housing um or we continue to um you know just allow the zoning as is uh which is the request

[2:03:38] Trustee McConchie: of the property owner so curious to know your guys's thoughts on where you stand on this

[2:03:43] Trustee McConchie: particular issue all

[2:03:48] Trustee Patrick: right i don't know trustee morrison did you have anything or did you want to

[2:03:52] Trustee Patrick: dorothy

[2:03:53] Trustee Morrison: yeah i dorothy is her hand up if we take her first and i'll collect my thoughts on this i

[2:04:00] Trustee Morrison: have some thoughts on this but i'm curious what dorothy is to say

[2:04:03] Trustee Patrick: robin can you um promote the

[2:04:05] Voice 6: Dorothy please we're all in here oh there she is yep can

[2:04:24] Trustee Patrick: you hear me yes we can hello Dorothy

[2:04:27] Trustee Patrick: hi good morning or

[2:04:29] Voice 4: afternoon I should say uh yes I just wanted to um add to to the letter um

[2:04:35] Voice 4: you know we don't have any problems with the rental housing but that's not what we want to

[2:04:40] Voice 4: do on the property at this stage um you know I I think I actually also said that there are

[2:04:47] Voice 4: alternatives at Driftwood on housing with the second level on the old portion of Driftwood

[2:04:55] Voice 4: Centre. It was designed originally that we could put a second level up there and feel that there's

[2:05:02] Voice 4: room for about six little apartments up there. So that's something that we could look at.

[2:05:09] Voice 4: And we can certainly look at the other 10 acres. One and a half acres has been donated to New to

[2:05:16] Voice 4: on the rural residential property um that belongs to driftwood and there's another 10 acres there

[2:05:25] Voice 4: that we could certainly look at that for rental housing but the c2 we don't really want change no

[2:05:31] Voice 4: all

[2:05:35] Trustee Morrison: right so so my thinking on that is that um yeah i i think i just want it not done as part

[2:05:43] Trustee Morrison: of this land use bylaw i want it done as uh like specifically as you think about um

[2:05:50] Trustee Morrison: potentially including it because I do have a little bit of concern for increased

[2:05:55] Trustee Morrison: residential capacity there just in terms of water. Like I know that water is an issue and

[2:05:59] Trustee Morrison: it's a challenge in that space. And I just would rather like think about it as a singular

[2:06:05] Trustee Morrison: application as opposed to inside this larger effort. And I think all of those things are

[2:06:11] Trustee Morrison: interesting and like open to conversation, particularly actually the sort of smaller

[2:06:16] Trustee Morrison: move of not a lot of apartments but like on an existing footprint of buildings so like on the

[2:06:22] Trustee Morrison: second story of the the driftwood that seems really interesting um it would just be a question

[2:06:27] Trustee Morrison: of like what is the strategy for summer water like in that context um like it's and and i don't need

[2:06:34] Trustee Morrison: the answer right now just to it would be like a longer term conversation to have um and then so

[2:06:40] Trustee Morrison: So, yeah, so I'm not actually a big fan of generally like clustered apartment housing on Pender because I worry about how that impacts the sort of rural character of the region.

[2:06:51] Trustee Morrison: And I think we have some other strategies like with secondary suites with potentially splitting, you know, square

[2:06:56] Trustee Morrison: footage with some other things that maintain the character of the region, but don't, or but do allow us some affordable housing options.

[2:07:07] Trustee Morrison: I think, so maybe I'll just pause there.

[2:07:09] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[2:07:13] Trustee McConchie: And if I can add some comments, I mean, so first of all, the driftwood is the economic center of the island. It's a critical, it's turned into critical infrastructure for our local island economy.

[2:07:24] Trustee McConchie: What is not clear to me, and, you know, I'm starting to think as our term ends, is it's become our downtown core on the island. And what is the plan? I hear the new to you wants to go in there.

[2:07:39] Trustee McConchie: you know there is a campsite there's there's lots of these plans and so the basically the question

[2:07:44] Trustee McConchie: i'm wondering dorothy and hardell management is you know for future trust committees to discuss

[2:07:49] Trustee McConchie: is um how much is the community uh how much of the community do you want involved in this decision

[2:07:55] Trustee McConchie: making about the future of your of your property and how it's going to serve islanders sounds to

[2:08:01] Trustee McConchie: me like right now you have potential for what you'd like to do uh you'd like to keep things

[2:08:06] Trustee McConchie: the way they are with the potential to changing rural residential zoning on the adjacent 10.5

[2:08:13] Trustee McConchie: acre property and that to include rental housing. So I guess what I'm wondering maybe Dorothy is do

[2:08:18] Trustee McConchie: you want us to address this right now in our term or would you think it's a part of a future

[2:08:23] Trustee McConchie: conversation you know to have for future trust committees?

[2:08:28] Voice 4: I think you're right Ben. I think it

[2:08:31] Voice 4: It is a future discussion.

[2:08:34] Voice 4: We certainly don't plan to do anything tomorrow or even in the next year.

[2:08:39] Voice 4: We've got a couple of projects already with our tourist signs, you know, that we're working

[2:08:44] Voice 4: on, just waiting to get a crew back for that one.

[2:08:48] Voice 4: We're pretty well finalized with New to You, and that's, you know, that's definitely going

[2:08:52] Voice 4: to go ahead.

[2:08:53] Voice 4: head so um right now we're also working on the plans for the campground and should have a proposal

[2:09:04] Voice 4: sometime this year put together for that um and so everything else is really long term yeah for

[2:09:12] Voice 4: sure and yes we would like the community involved of course i mean it's driftwood as you say is the

[2:09:19] Voice 4: central part and i don't think we would really try and do anything um that um wouldn't benefit

[2:09:26] Voice 4: the community well

[2:09:31] Trustee McConchie: it sounds to me like um you know trustee morrison chair patrick uh

[2:09:36] Trustee McConchie: the idea of moving ahead to rezone you know is not uh in the interests of the community right now

[2:09:43] Trustee McConchie: and this is perhaps something we just need to drop all

[2:09:51] Trustee Patrick: right looking trustee morrison you agree

[2:09:54] Trustee Patrick: well that's good and i can just say i i know dorothy we have a one you know downtown but we

[2:10:01] Trustee Patrick: have a major center grocery store and center and i know i was encouraging the owner there to

[2:10:07] Trustee Patrick: consider sort of a overall master plan because it it helps to you know where where is that

[2:10:13] Trustee Patrick: developing over time on the on a such a large you know concentrated area something something

[2:10:20] Trustee Patrick: something to think of that puts the you in control yeah well

[2:10:27] Voice 7: that's your planner check

[2:10:28] Voice 7: Dr. Lacey Kaiser had it oh

[2:10:30] Planner Stockdill: thank you um so at the October meeting of last year the LTC

[2:10:36] Planner Stockdill: by resolution gave direction to staff to change the zoning for that property from C2 to rental

[2:10:43] Planner Stockdill: residential so if that's not being proposed anymore uh I'd like direction from the LTC

[2:10:50] Planner Stockdill: what you'd like to do with that CT portion because currently the permitted number of units

[2:10:56] Planner Stockdill: allowed there by zoning is 27. That doesn't mean that there should be 27 there or that they could

[2:11:04] Planner Stockdill: go that they get the approval through the the province through the licensing for groundwater

[2:11:10] Planner Stockdill: for that amount but the LTC want to consider if you want to retain the 27 or potentially reduce

[2:11:16] Planner Stockdill: Well,

[2:11:17] Trustee McConchie: that's the question. Dorothy, do you want to build 27 commercial units on your property, on Hartle management?

[2:11:25] Trustee McConchie: No,

[2:11:25] Voice 4: we're looking at a campground right now. And yeah, we're not looking at building any units. We're looking at a campground.

[2:11:34] Voice 4: I don't think physically, well, the only way you could build 27 units is probably some sort of hotel situation.

[2:11:44] Voice 4: situation um but nevertheless i i mean i think at this point we don't really want

[2:11:49] Voice 4: anything changed um you know if we could get 27 count round uh units in there uh that would be

[2:11:56] Voice 4: great okay

[2:11:59] Voice 7: so then i mean leaving the numbers

[2:12:03] Voice 4: be great yeah

[2:12:05] Trustee McConchie: i the thing is is i mean yeah it's

[2:12:07] Trustee McConchie: just kind of like uh we're going on the word of your plan right whereas there's a concern over

[2:12:12] Trustee McConchie: you could sell let's i'm talking about a hypothetical universe right dorothy where

[2:12:17] Trustee McConchie: hardell management sells the property right yeah then uh you know what i you know what i mean and

[2:12:22] Trustee McConchie: then and then they're there the zoning still exists for people to put in 27 units there's

[2:12:27] Trustee McConchie: concerns over the density impacts of that on the island right so i'm just wondering what you'd say

[2:12:32] Trustee McConchie: to that well

[2:12:36] Voice 4: i think it would be with all the rules and regulations it would be very difficult

[2:12:39] Voice 4: to put 27 units in there so

[2:12:43] Voice 8: would you be okay with us

[2:12:44] Trustee McConchie: uh down zone these uh reducing the number

[2:12:49] Trustee McConchie: of available units on that property are you your so your stance is to to keep no no

[2:12:55] Voice 4: i i think i

[2:12:58] Voice 4: think we we prefer to leave the c2 zoning as is um because 27 units can refer to 27 campgrounds

[2:13:09] Voice 4: and that's what we would like to try and put in there um yeah point of you know little 27 pads

[2:13:15] Trustee Patrick: planner stock bill yeah

[2:13:17] Planner Stockdill: point of clarity so the the campground regulations have to be in compliance

[2:13:22] Planner Stockdill: with a subsection 316 of the land use bylaw so there is different density calculations for

[2:13:29] Planner Stockdill: campgrounds so what might be helpful is if i actually report back with the density calculations

[2:13:36] Planner Stockdill: for a campground in that location and what the LTC could consider is actually removing the tourist

[2:13:43] Planner Stockdill: accommodation use which allows for you know little cabins or cottage or hotel type structure

[2:13:49] Planner Stockdill: and perhaps only permit a campground with um and I could provide the calculation on how many

[2:13:57] Planner Stockdill: campground um I'm not sure the technical definition but campground spots or sites

[2:14:02] Planner Stockdill: would be allowed on that portion of the property.

[2:14:07] Trustee Morrison: I think that would be very helpful

[2:14:08] Trustee Morrison: because my understanding too, Kim,

[2:14:10] Trustee Morrison: is that the tourist accommodation spots

[2:14:13] Trustee Morrison: does not equate to campgrounds.

[2:14:15] Trustee Morrison: And so Dorothy, by changing the amount

[2:14:18] Trustee Morrison: of tourist accommodations

[2:14:20] Trustee Morrison: and allowing for campsites in a different way

[2:14:23] Trustee Morrison: or some combination of that in that space,

[2:14:26] Trustee Morrison: that's just, it has to be stated

[2:14:28] Trustee Morrison: in two different ways right now,

[2:14:29] Trustee Morrison: the way things are written.

[2:14:30] Trustee Morrison: So it would be helpful to see that

[2:14:32] Trustee Morrison: because one of the things I would not want to do is I would not want to approve a campground with

[2:14:36] Trustee Morrison: existing additional 27 allowed tourist units in the same location. So to me, like the time is now

[2:14:45] Trustee Morrison: to be able to change those tourist accommodations into campgrounds if that is the intent, like

[2:14:50] Trustee Morrison: moving forward.

[2:14:55] Voice 4: Yeah, I just don't really see the reason for changing it. You know, we've had,

[2:15:00] Voice 4: there's very little c2 zoning on this island and at this point we would be against changing

[2:15:07] Voice 4: anything on the c2 zoning anybody

[2:15:21] Trustee Morrison: else have to kim do you have direction from do you need

[2:15:25] Trustee Morrison: no

[2:15:25] Planner Stockdill: i don't need any formal direction but what i will do is i'll bring this item back

[2:15:30] Planner Stockdill: also with calculations for a campground in that location and

[2:15:34] Trustee McConchie: what that would look like i'm just

[2:15:35] Trustee McConchie: confused i'm super confused right now your intent dorothy is to build a campsite but you want to

[2:15:41] Trustee McConchie: retain commercial to zoning i don't but those two things don't make sense to me i don't so you do

[2:15:47] Trustee McConchie: want to keep the potential to have c2 zoning to potentially build 27 yeah i mean now

[2:15:53] Voice 4: who knows

[2:15:54] Voice 4: down the line and right now our plans is looking at

[2:15:57] Voice 4: a campground i don't think for one minute that

[2:16:01] Voice 4: we would ever consider because the cost of building solid buildings is just ridiculous,

[2:16:08] Voice 4: so the point of it, but nevertheless I think there is no reason to change it.

[2:16:16] Voice 4: Who knows what's going to happen down the line, but right now we're looking at a campground

[2:16:22] Voice 4: because that is affordable to build and um you know would certainly help the tourist um industry

[2:16:32] Voice 4: on pender and that was that what we see right now is the best way forward what

[2:16:40] Trustee Patrick: about considering the

[2:16:42] Trustee Patrick: the section 219 covenant like the mckinnon road properties i'm

[2:16:50] Voice 4: not familiar with it i didn't

[2:16:52] Voice 4: actually pay too much attention to that i'll

[2:16:56] Trustee Patrick: just look is that a conversation trustees would want

[2:16:59] Trustee Patrick: planner stockfield to have perhaps with dorothy in

[2:17:02] Trustee McConchie: the meeting now there's a couple if you sort

[2:17:05] Trustee McConchie: of interrupt here patrick so there's a

[2:17:06] Trustee McConchie: couple things um first of all you we i i'm just confused

[2:17:11] Trustee McConchie: so there's you want to build a campsite but you also state there's no but so so building a

[2:17:17] Trustee McConchie: commercial accommodation units is too expensive and burdensome and unlikely to happen

[2:17:23] Trustee McConchie: um but you want to maintain the current zoning yes that's what i just don't understand but

[2:17:29] Trustee McConchie: because the and so then they also state there's no reason it's not reasonable i think that was

[2:17:36] Trustee McConchie: your words dorothy to to change it so i'm wondering maybe plan or stock deal can you

[2:17:42] Trustee McConchie: explain briefly what the reasons why we reviewed the amount of commercial accommodation units on

[2:17:48] Trustee McConchie: pender and its cumulative impacts on the island like what was the concern we were addressing if

[2:17:53] Trustee McConchie: if you can recall from our discussions over the past three years?

[2:17:58] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, the concern is there has been a large amount of sleeping density on North Pender

[2:18:04] Planner Stockdill: with regards to the C2 zoning where there hasn't been full build out.

[2:18:08] Planner Stockdill: And so staff saw an opportunity to reduce the density specifically with the concern

[2:18:14] Planner Stockdill: for groundwater.

[2:18:16] Planner Stockdill: This is one way that the LTC could address concerns with quality and quantity of groundwater

[2:18:23] Planner Stockdill: water to ensure that there's sufficient quality and quantity um prior to allowing the use as the

[2:18:31] Planner Stockdill: right now the ltc or the alliance trust would have no mechanism to regulate that or comment on it

[2:18:41] Planner Stockdill: so if the land use bylaw permits a certain amount of tourist accommodation units the property owner

[2:18:48] Planner Stockdill: owner has the right to construct that as long as they have a license from the province to do so

[2:18:54] Planner Stockdill: for in terms of groundwater there would also be a process they would have to apply for a development

[2:19:01] Planner Stockdill: permit in these areas but as we know we can only comment on the certain guidelines in those dps

[2:19:07] Planner Stockdill: and those don't involve groundwater and also they would have to go through the the building

[2:19:12] Planner Stockdill: pro permit process and i believe william has just uh is here to comment as well

[2:19:20] Voice 12: yeah thanks through the chair yeah we do have um the ability to formally comment on groundwater

[2:19:26] Voice 12: license applications to water authorizations so um that there is that's the mechanism to

[2:19:34] Voice 12: to do so outside of like say a rezoning application but you know if it's a new

[2:19:40] Voice 12: groundwater we do have that mechanism and it can be formal as in the form of a letter or just

[2:19:48] Voice 12: through our referral process and i've been involved in both and also i have also been

[2:19:54] Voice 12: involved in this was in the gambier local trust area where islands trust worked with the province

[2:20:03] Voice 12: to create a terms of reference for development but that was through rezoning application

[2:20:09] Voice 12: Thanks.

[2:20:12] Trustee McConchie: It's kind of first time we've had a real good solid conversation with Dorothy who's representing hurdle management about this.

[2:20:18] Trustee McConchie: I think it'd be good, Dorothy, if we went offline and had a conversation further about this.

[2:20:24] Trustee McConchie: And I really appreciate you taking the time to address some of our questions and comments, unless there's any other questions for trustees.

[2:20:33] Trustee McConchie: I look forward to contacting you soon, Dorothy. Okay.

[2:20:36] Voice 4: Sounds good. Sounds good.

[2:20:38] Trustee Patrick: thank you thank

[2:20:40] Trustee McConchie: you all

[2:20:43] Trustee Patrick: right so that uh that item will sit so that our how's everyone doing

[2:20:47] Trustee Patrick: do you want to move on to the docs or

[2:20:49] Trustee McConchie: let's finish the land use bylaw review thing and then and then

[2:20:52] Trustee McConchie: get on to william and narissa's presentation but after can we take a break after this land use

[2:20:57] Trustee McConchie: bylaw just a five minute that

[2:20:59] Trustee Patrick: would sound good all right so i guess on to the docs

[2:21:03] Trustee Patrick: Yes,

[2:21:05] Planner Stockdill: so in terms of the docs, the LTC passed a resolution that all those properties that

[2:21:13] Planner Stockdill: have in-stream applications with the province, those foreshore areas that are zoned W1 would

[2:21:21] Planner Stockdill: be rezoned to W3, and the W3 zone does not permit private docs.

[2:21:27] Planner Stockdill: And so I believe there was a property owner who has a concern with this who spoke earlier,

[2:21:32] Planner Stockdill: uh because she has an in-stream application with the province and as we know the province is taking

[2:21:38] Planner Stockdill: a few years to process these applications and so with the ltc um would you like to actually

[2:21:46] Planner Stockdill: retain the w1 zoning for those properties or would you like to move forward with your resolution to

[2:21:52] Planner Stockdill: rezone to

[2:21:54] Trustee Morrison: water three yeah thanks for finding this resolution kim for whatever reason i had

[2:21:58] Trustee Morrison: it the opposite way of what this resolution indicates in my head so i'm not sure if it was

[2:22:04] Trustee Morrison: just like not fully present i'm not like thinking about that but i had it in my head that this

[2:22:09] Trustee Morrison: resolution would actually allow us to make sure that those that were in stream if they were

[2:22:16] Trustee Morrison: approved by the province would have zoning under operations but i don't know how ben feels about

[2:22:21] Trustee Morrison: that or if like that was the conversation in that moment that's what i had in my head though

[2:22:26] Trustee Morrison: Well,

[2:22:26] Trustee McConchie: yeah, like the concern I have is if someone has started a process based on the rules that were in place at the time, I think it's logical to to to continue to allow them to continue with their application, because now that we are we are creating a new bylaw, we're going through public hearing processes, you know, we're making it really clear, like, from now on, this is what is happening.

[2:22:52] Trustee McConchie: whereas the folks who have started the whole process which is costly uh weren't privy to that

[2:22:57] Trustee McConchie: information or didn't even know that that was taking place so all

[2:23:02] Trustee Patrick: right well trustees then

[2:23:02] Trustee Patrick: a resolution is necessary kim what kind of resolution would that be to rescind this one or

[2:23:07] Trustee Patrick: to change i

[2:23:09] Planner Stockdill: would say to change it that the ltc requests staff to um retain the water one zoning

[2:23:18] Planner Stockdill: zoning for the 11 in stream private mortgage applications with the province yeah

[2:23:25] Trustee Morrison: I would like

[2:23:25] Trustee Morrison: to go ahead and move that because that's more what I was thinking so sorry about that if we've gone

[2:23:30] Trustee Morrison: back and forth about on this a little bit or if it's just because there's so many pieces to this

[2:23:35] Trustee Morrison: that we got confused on that one okay

[2:23:39] Trustee Patrick: I was gonna say I'll look to Lauren um give you a minute Lauren

[2:23:44] Trustee Patrick: to see if you got that motion before it's seconded maybe put it up on the screen or read it back but

[2:23:53] Trustee Patrick: lauren you're muted yeah

[2:23:54] Voice 22: just a moment i'm

[2:23:55] Voice 22: trying to um make you that

[2:23:57] Voice 22: big again i've been struggling

[2:23:58] Voice 22: quite uh quite a bit and trying to keep up with with where you are at uh in terms of where you

[2:24:04] Voice 22: are actually in the uh in my template of the uh minutes so i've just kind of been trying to as

[2:24:10] Voice 22: best i can keep up with the the discussion um i'm grateful for the fact that we're going to have a

[2:24:16] Voice 22: recording of this because that's going to absolutely be necessary to help me so i'm not

[2:24:21] Voice 22: I'm not sure, to be quite frank, exactly where we're at,

[2:24:25] Voice 22: but I know I started taking down this motion,

[2:24:27] Voice 22: although I don't know where it is on my template per se,

[2:24:30] Voice 22: because as I said, there's been,

[2:24:32] Voice 22: it's kind of, I'm looking at a single page.

[2:24:35] Trustee Patrick: That's okay.

[2:24:37] Trustee Patrick: So

[2:24:37] Voice 22: what I've got is that the LTC requests

[2:24:39] Voice 22: to have to retain the water one zoning for the 11,

[2:24:42] Voice 22: I think in province.

[2:24:44] Voice 22: In

[2:24:45] Trustee Patrick: stream, private mortgage applications.

[2:24:48] Trustee Patrick: applications in

[2:24:48] Voice 22: stream private mortgage applications with the province

[2:24:53] Voice 22: private

[2:24:56] Voice 22: application private mortgage application oh in stream private mortgage application

[2:25:02] Voice 22: in province okay can you tell me if this sounds uh correct can we please have it on the screen

[2:25:12] Voice 22: yes ma'am

[2:25:13] Trustee Morrison: um

[2:25:15] Voice 22: i'm just gonna what i'm gonna do is i'm just gonna put the text there because

[2:25:19] Voice 22: the rest of it looks so terrible uh here so i'm gonna put that if i can if i can share it i don't

[2:25:25] Voice 22: know if i'm i've never tried to share but i will try to uh hang on what am i sharing here uh i think

[2:25:33] Voice 22: it's this and share not bad i did it if i can do you see anything yes yes i

[2:25:42] Trustee Morrison: don't see anything

[2:25:43] Trustee Morrison: anything

[2:25:43] Voice 22: I got it okay I don't know how to even exit how to hear okay

[2:25:49] Trustee Morrison: so that so the uh change

[2:25:52] Trustee Morrison: that I would make is that the north pender uh the direct staff to retain the owner one zoning

[2:26:00] Trustee Morrison: and do you need Kim to amend the zoning in the draft land use bylaw um

[2:26:09] Planner Stockdill: I think no I think that's

[2:26:12] Planner Stockdill: straightforward go

[2:26:14] Trustee Patrick: ahead the

[2:26:16] Planner Stockdill: only thing i would amend is it says application in province it's

[2:26:20] Planner Stockdill: application with the province okay so instead of in it's with the province okay and

[2:26:29] Trustee Patrick: an s on the

[2:26:29] Trustee Patrick: end of applications okay

[2:26:33] Voice 22: more applications with the province okay sorry i i'm really i'm not even

[2:26:38] Voice 22: sure where i'm at um what section you're on i've been just

[2:26:41] Trustee Patrick: trying it's okay lauren um thank you we

[2:26:43] Trustee Patrick: are we are uh firmly in uh 14.1 of the agenda okay and we're on page 100 of the agenda package is

[2:26:54] Trustee Patrick: where we're speaking okay

[2:26:56] Voice 22: yeah i i as i'm taking minutes i cannot follow the agenda package at all

[2:27:01] Voice 22: that's the possibility so

[2:27:03] Trustee Morrison: i'd like to make a suggestion that we just take a few minute break

[2:27:06] Trustee Morrison: while we get the motion organized okay and just make sure that we have those couple edits that is

[2:27:12] Trustee Morrison: north pender ltc with the province um and the s yeah

[2:27:16] Trustee Patrick: are you able to make those changes on

[2:27:20] Trustee Patrick: this screen here robin are

[2:27:26] Voice 22: you talk are you talking to me yes oh you said robin lauren

[2:27:29] Trustee Patrick: sorry i apologize yeah

[2:27:31] Voice 22: i'm just trying i'm trying to i i'm trying to uh work with my screen here

[2:27:35] Voice 22: or I have low resources and also I'm not sure.

[2:27:39] Voice 22: I've got to pause the share, maybe that'll help.

[2:27:42] Voice 22: Okay, I see where I can do that.

[2:27:43] Voice 22: And I've got this little screen there, okay.

[2:27:46] Voice 22: So the LTC request staff to retain water one zoning

[2:27:49] Voice 22: for 11 in stream private mortgage applications

[2:27:52] Voice 22: with the province.

[2:27:54] Trustee Patrick: And you've got the North Tender Local Trust Committee.

[2:27:58] Voice 22: Yes, I would have put that.

[2:28:00] Voice 22: This is just a reference.

[2:28:02] Voice 22: I've got you.

[2:28:03] Voice 22: Mortgage applications with the province, okay.

[2:28:04] Voice 22: Okay,

[2:28:06] Trustee Patrick: and then we can't see your changes there.

[2:28:10] Voice 22: Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry.

[2:28:13] Trustee Patrick: I'll let you work on that. I'm going to just take a quick break here. I'm just going to run away from

[2:28:19] Trustee Patrick: the screen for a moment myself. I'll be okay.

[2:28:21] Voice 22: And I'll see if I can find this where it is as

[2:28:23] Voice 22: exactly in my.

[2:28:25] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you, Lauren. You're welcome.

[2:33:10] Trustee Patrick: all right i think uh i i'm we're waiting for trustee morrison but i saw she typed notes

[2:33:14] Trustee Patrick: right before um that one more change was the instead of saying water one just w1 a capital

[2:33:21] Trustee Patrick: w lauren oh there's trustee morrison no

[2:33:28] Voice 13: no that was actually before we have this motion in front

[2:33:30] Voice 13: of us oh

[2:33:31] Trustee Patrick: okay so you're okay with just saying water one is it sir all right trust uh uh if

[2:33:37] Trustee Patrick: that looks good i can i have that motion seconded i

[2:33:48] Trustee Patrick: moved it yep no i know trustee mcconkey can you

[2:33:50] Trustee Patrick: second motion second

[2:33:52] Voice 6: the most i'm

[2:33:53] Trustee Patrick: sorry i didn't hear you okay

[2:33:54] Voice 6: any

[2:33:55] Trustee Patrick: any discussion i'll call the

[2:33:59] Trustee Patrick: vote then all those in favor and that's carried all right so is there any other things that you

[2:34:07] Trustee Patrick: need on the docs than uh planners doctor i

[2:34:10] Planner Stockdill: know i'm fine the rest is just um information based

[2:34:14] Planner Stockdill: uh an approximate timeline for the project is in the staff report and also another plug or reminder

[2:34:20] Planner Stockdill: reminder for the March 12th CIM that will be happening on Zoom on Saturday the 12th at 10 a.m

[2:34:29] Trustee Patrick: all right any other questions from staff of staff from

[2:34:34] Trustee Patrick: trustees I'm awake here I need another coffee

[2:34:39] Trustee Patrick: okay so then if uh just a reminder to everyone then March 12th will be that community information

[2:34:45] Trustee Patrick: meeting it will be on Zoom uh please pay attention to that again I always encourage you to subscribe

[2:34:51] Trustee Patrick: to the Islands Trust and click North Pender on that subscription and you'll get notices of these

[2:34:57] Trustee Patrick: things as well. All right, so that moves us on then to the next item, which is 14.2, the Groundwater

[2:35:07] Trustee Patrick: Sustainability Implementation Project. And I believe Nerissa Chadwick and William Shulba will

[2:35:13] Trustee Patrick: be joining us and giving us that report, which begins on page 116 of the agenda package. Over to

[2:35:19] Trustee Patrick: you uh

[2:35:21] Voice 18: yeah hi um i'm gonna just try and share my screen here um can everybody see that yeah

[2:35:37] Voice 18: okay good um yeah so um i have to just uh just wanted to say it's it's really exciting to be

[2:35:44] Voice 18: able to um engage the all the mapping work that's that that that we've got um and uh i've been

[2:35:52] Voice 18: working very closely with william on this and um you know as you've heard william's also been able

[2:35:57] Voice 18: able to um has been working working with other planners on more specific um specifically focused

[2:36:03] Voice 18: um on work work and uh and it is um you know as we move through these processes uh we as planners

[2:36:09] Voice 18: begin to understand more and more um the intricacies of the mapping itself and and its value to the

[2:36:16] Voice 18: work that we do so it is really exciting um it's also exciting to be able to be engaging um the

[2:36:22] Voice 18: the actions that were identified

[2:36:25] Voice 18: in the freshwater sustainability strategy as well.

[2:36:30] Voice 18: So what I'm providing to you today

[2:36:34] Voice 18: are the staff report identifies

[2:36:37] Voice 18: some of the proposed OCP amendments

[2:36:39] Voice 18: and some of the LUB amendments

[2:36:42] Voice 18: that are related specifically to the mapping work

[2:36:47] Voice 18: and what we've learned from that

[2:36:48] Voice 18: and how we can, things that can be implemented

[2:36:52] Voice 18: to protect groundwater recharge and also to focus on areas where we need to be conscious

[2:37:08] Voice 18: and where we need to enact provisions to ensure that the vulnerability of some of the areas

[2:37:17] Voice 18: areas that are are critical on that are are in a sort of a critical um uh circumstance with

[2:37:25] Voice 18: respect to groundwater are um are supported and protected so focusing first on uh the proposed

[2:37:32] Voice 18: ocp amendments the biggest uh the biggest uh proposal here is uh is the creation of a critical

[2:37:40] Voice 18: aquifer recharge development permit area so this is based so we based it on galliano's

[2:37:50] Voice 18: their elevated groundwater catchment development permit areas which was developed in in 2019 so

[2:37:57] Voice 18: it's sort of been a bit of a basis for it although we've updated based on on the work that we've done

[2:38:05] Voice 18: and also the the the the freshwater sustainability strategy actions and I just wanted to identify

[2:38:17] Voice 18: that it's what it's really focusing on is is recharge and so that's really

[2:38:24] Voice 18: looking at how we can protect the the land to enable the you know absorption

[2:38:31] Voice 18: of the water etc and of course the details of that William would have much

[2:38:36] Voice 18: more information on but I'll show you in terms of DPA so what you've been

[2:38:41] Voice 18: been provided with is is uh the guidelines related to the the dpa and the dpa boundaries will be based

[2:38:49] Voice 18: on the recharge mapping potential that uh the groundwater recharge potential mapping that's

[2:38:55] Voice 18: been done so we um we started to have some discussion about that internally with william

[2:39:01] Voice 18: and we're looking at how to represent those boundaries um in and and we will be coming

[2:39:07] Voice 18: back with some options. So we don't have those options specifically for you now, but

[2:39:12] Voice 18: you can, you know, they will be informed by this map. So the areas that are,

[2:39:21] Voice 18: that are, you know, threatened in terms of recharge, so I guess the lower recharge areas

[2:39:30] Voice 18: would be the lighter colored areas, would be the areas that we'd be focusing on for

[2:39:36] Voice 18: DPA boundaries. So other changes that are being proposed for the OCP or updates and sections,

[2:39:45] Voice 18: there's some sort of minor updates that relate to objectives, like just ensuring that we've got

[2:39:51] Voice 18: objectives that are specifically related to groundwater. There are, I mean, there is quite

[2:39:56] Voice 18: a bit in the North Pender OCP. So in some cases, it's just aligning the language with where we're

[2:40:02] Voice 18: at now and the information that we've got um there's um you know some um looking at uh goals

[2:40:12] Voice 18: and objectives and and that sort of thing so they're they're fairly um minor in in nature

[2:40:19] Voice 18: and then of course there'll be some map updates so um there is right now schedule

[2:40:31] Voice 18: Schedule F, the water systems and water licenses map is fairly relevant and outdated, as that

[2:40:40] Voice 18: information can be sort of attained through a provincial website if we need it.

[2:40:47] Voice 18: We'll have to update the, we'll have to provide a map with the DPA boundaries, and we also

[2:40:56] Voice 18: want to include a map that shows the the groundwater regions so those are the the

[2:41:02] Voice 18: main OCP amendments that's the that would be the overview there um are there

[2:41:08] Voice 18: any questions related to the proposed OCP amendment amendments go ahead

[2:41:18] Trustee Patrick: trustee

[2:41:19] Trustee Morrison: McConkie Oh

[2:41:20] Trustee McConchie: trustee Morrison was first go ahead trustee

[2:41:22] Trustee McConchie: I

[2:41:22] Trustee Morrison: actually had to take one step back before I answer the question about the

[2:41:28] Trustee Morrison: the OCP amendments, the rationale for thinking about the coastal Douglas fir and associated

[2:41:34] Trustee Morrison: ecosystem protection, or like just sort of forest cover more generally kind of protection related

[2:41:42] Trustee Morrison: to aquifers. I wonder if you can kind of unpack that rationale. Let me get into that. Sorry.

[2:41:48] Trustee Morrison: That was a significant

[2:41:49] Voice 18: part of this. So we did think about it as staff, the proposal that was

[2:41:55] Voice 18: or the what had been sort of asked of us previously was to look at how we could uh you

[2:42:01] Voice 18: know the integrating the the coastal dung for protection with the the the could clock for

[2:42:07] Voice 18: recharge and and so there's sort of some key reasons why we think that um it's it's better

[2:42:13] Voice 18: to focus primary primarily on groundwater protection for now um and that is because

[2:42:19] Voice 18: although there would be some overlap um clearly there would be some alignment um some of the

[2:42:25] Voice 18: the guidelines within the development permit area for groundwater protection are different

[2:42:32] Voice 18: than they would be for CDF protection. And in fact, the CDF protection guidelines would be

[2:42:37] Voice 18: much more in line with those related to ecosystem protection. And so looking at the DPAs that

[2:42:47] Voice 18: North Pender had, there are a number of DPAs that relate specifically to sensitive ecosystems. And

[2:42:54] Voice 18: And as far as I understand, there's been some talk about looking at those and updating those.

[2:43:02] Voice 18: And I understand North Pender Conservancy has indicated interest in updating the wetland mapping and the raptor nest mapping.

[2:43:12] Voice 18: Now, raptor's nest, for example, would need to be an independent DPA.

[2:43:17] Voice 18: But things like wetlands and other sensitive areas, it could be part of one larger development permit areas, potentially, and coastal Douglas fir ecosystem mapping would be more, and a DPA that would relate to, that would be more in line with sensitive areas.

[2:43:39] Voice 18: So that's one of the sort of key factors.

[2:43:43] Voice 18: Also, there's a feeling that by separating

[2:43:49] Voice 18: the critical aquifer recharge areas

[2:43:51] Voice 18: from the Coast Douglas fir mapping considerations,

[2:43:57] Voice 18: you would be placing emphasis

[2:43:59] Voice 18: on the importance of groundwater sustainability,

[2:44:01] Voice 18: which I think is a really important factor in this

[2:44:04] Voice 18: because because you know um the importance of supporting groundwater is really rising in

[2:44:11] Voice 18: prominence for the trust and so that would you know enable a really clear focus and also in

[2:44:17] Voice 18: terms of timing because we are moving forward um at the moment in tandem with galliano there

[2:44:23] Voice 18: there is the opportunity um that you know this provides um significant efficiencies with respect

[2:44:30] Voice 18: respect to how staff time is used. If we were going to look at the sensitive or the Coastal

[2:44:38] Voice 18: Douglas for mapping and sort of a combined DPA, it would be a different process. And

[2:44:44] Voice 18: the mapping itself would require a bit more, like substantially more time to figure out.

[2:44:51] Voice 18: So from a time perspective, there's much more opportunity to move this forward within the

[2:44:59] Voice 18: existing term. But if you add the other layer, it will take longer.

[2:45:09] Voice 18: Thanks,

[2:45:11] Voice 12: Chair Patrick. Just add some color commentary here. Just going back to the

[2:45:17] Voice 12: comment about the recharge mapping and what critical for recharge areas would be.

[2:45:24] Voice 12: It's not looking at the low recharge that's kind of the discharge zones. It's incorporating the

[2:45:31] Voice 12: the highest recharge potential areas with to moderate to high and and to kind of group those

[2:45:40] Voice 12: together in a methodological way to find critical areas and and that is being informed by the

[2:45:48] Voice 12: Department of Ecology from Washington State where they identified what they call critical groundwater

[2:45:55] Voice 12: water critical aqua recharge areas and so um i'm undertaking that analysis right now for for pender

[2:46:03] Voice 12: for north pender as well as galliano and to um to comment on the cdf um uh combination of

[2:46:14] Voice 12: recharge and coastal douglas fir a lot of my thinking of this has been informed by the work

[2:46:21] Voice 12: I've been doing on Salt Spring Island where there has been dedicated efforts to Coastal Douglas fur

[2:46:26] Voice 12: protection and an analysis from Dr. Tara Martin from UBC and really like a lot of their study

[2:46:37] Voice 12: is looking at big trees and sensitive ecosystems that kind of glue together that contiguous forest

[2:46:43] Voice 12: And those areas could be on what we consider non-basins, so like the steep slopes that look out towards the ocean that may not have a significant recharge, as well as more marginal areas within the island, say in the lower-lying areas where we have identified as discharge areas.

[2:47:09] Voice 12: So they can look very different on the map, even though contiguous forest and the ecosystems approach that we did take to recharge addresses that.

[2:47:23] Voice 12: that so within our methodology for recharge we have taken a deep consideration of the vegetation

[2:47:31] Voice 12: resource inventory from the province and have used that to identify or help identify these areas of

[2:47:38] Voice 12: of critical recharge indeed the forest is what supports recharge on these islands and so

[2:47:45] Voice 12: I'm just afraid that there would be too much of a give and take between protecting recharge and

[2:47:52] Voice 12: protecting significant coastal Douglas fir. And if we wanted to identify particular areas to have

[2:48:01] Voice 12: a DPA defined, I think that those lines are too blurred and it just be the entire island.

[2:48:08] Voice 12: Where if we continue on the path of looking at critical for recharge areas, staff can provide

[2:48:18] Voice 12: like a map that can inform a dpa and it could be a scheduled map and then we can do the same

[2:48:24] Voice 12: for coastal douglas fir and of course there'll be overlap as there is the the issue would be is that

[2:48:31] Voice 12: um you know dpas are only as good as when they're being used and and the dpa um for galliano for the

[2:48:39] Voice 12: elevated groundwater catchment areas was only used once in a decade because it was well-defined

[2:48:46] Voice 12: project but the map the resulting map was a poor map and so I just want to stick with the

[2:48:53] Voice 12: with with the science that we've been following thus far and and just engage a map to the LTC

[2:49:00] Voice 12: and then it'd be up to the LTC to consider that map and then if we were to do a coastal

[2:49:05] Voice 12: locus for DPA then just add that on I

[2:49:08] Voice 12: think that's how I see it thanks can

[2:49:17] Voice 7: I can I make a

[2:49:17] Voice 7: comment no go ahead

[2:49:19] Trustee McConchie: yeah so i got a bad feeling about the october 15th election um and that's

[2:49:26] Trustee McConchie: politics right and that's different and i want to get as much done as i can in this term right so

[2:49:32] Trustee McConchie: what i'm hearing is uh you know not not to include that from staff this uh postal douglas first thing

[2:49:41] Trustee McConchie: so

[2:49:41] Voice 7: what

[2:49:42] Trustee McConchie: i want to get this in play i want to get as much as i possibly can in place to protect

[2:49:47] Trustee McConchie: groundwater between now and October 15th, right? What's your advice to me as a trustee and how to

[2:49:54] Trustee McConchie: proceed? Because

[2:49:57] Voice 14: we're

[2:49:58] Trustee McConchie: in the, sorry to interrupt, we're in a really privileged position right now

[2:50:01] Trustee McConchie: with a trust committee that's really, really cares about groundwater and cares about the

[2:50:06] Trustee McConchie: environment right now, you know? So that's kind of, you can read between the lines on what I'm

[2:50:12] Trustee McConchie: i'm saying here yeah

[2:50:14] Voice 12: um through the chair i i yeah i i agree and and i am forever grateful that

[2:50:20] Voice 12: uh there's ltcs like yourself and and galliano who have um really been the forefront of carrying

[2:50:28] Voice 12: this grammar work forward and implementing the science because uh as trustee morrison and trustee

[2:50:36] Voice 12: patrick know uh there's a lot of people on this planet that want to do the science it's it's

[2:50:41] Voice 12: implementing is the hardest part of it and so what what we want to do is to provide a

[2:50:48] Voice 12: a straightforward land use development permit area map that protects recharge and what that

[2:50:58] Voice 12: means is that it's it's protecting the intrinsic properties of the landscape whereas the the the

[2:51:06] Voice 12: The other side of this for the LUB amendments, looking at groundwater availability assessments

[2:51:15] Voice 12: and perhaps proof of water, that is more of looking at density.

[2:51:22] Voice 12: It's not really a mapping tool per se.

[2:51:25] Voice 12: It's more regional where I believe that this groundwater recharge potential area map has

[2:51:34] Voice 12: has scientific rigor behind it and I think is our best way forward to protect this precious

[2:51:43] Voice 12: resource because it's the input that really counts here. We can always change our behavior

[2:51:50] Voice 12: and our relationship to water and encourage efficiency and conservation as well as down

[2:51:58] Voice 12: zoning and all those things to protect the demand side but um we're really on the on the front lines

[2:52:05] Voice 12: of climate change by protecting recharge um because our ecosystems are changing under under

[2:52:11] Voice 12: uh climate change and so if we have the ability to influence that in a mitigating way i think

[2:52:19] Voice 12: this is the way forward i can't really comment on the process of getting this through dpa before

[2:52:24] Voice 12: for October and that's, I'll leave that to Planner Chadwick,

[2:52:27] Voice 12: but I can tell you that my computer that I built for myself

[2:52:31] Voice 12: has been running over time, running analysis on QGIS,

[2:52:35] Voice 12: trying to get maps for North Pender and Galliano

[2:52:40] Voice 12: to consider in the real short term, I've been accelerating.

[2:52:45] Voice 12: This has been my, the majority of my focus right now, so.

[2:52:49] Trustee McConchie: Fair enough, yeah, and thanks for that, William.

[2:52:52] Trustee McConchie: William. So maybe I'll get my question really specific. Can we create a temple development

[2:52:59] Trustee McConchie: permit area? Can

[2:53:01] Voice 8: we update

[2:53:03] Trustee McConchie: the addition to the land use bylaw amendment, addition of cistern

[2:53:08] Trustee McConchie: requirements? Can we update subdivision regulations related to potable water? Can we change the

[2:53:15] Trustee McConchie: regulations in critical areas before October 15th? Nerissa?

[2:53:24] Voice 18: Well, I mean, the intention is to move

[2:53:26] Voice 18: move this forward as quickly as we can um and the the um the time that the time consuming work has

[2:53:35] Voice 18: been done um that's taking us to where we are now the next piece of time consuming work is what

[2:53:40] Voice 18: william's speaking to um with respect to identifying the um the boundaries for the dpa

[2:53:47] Voice 18: and that's you know that's being done that's what he what william's engaged in right now with the

[2:53:52] Voice 18: intention of being able to provide those boundaries to you as soon as we can. It's a priority right

[2:53:57] Voice 18: now. So if you were wanting to go with trying to integrate the CDF mapping, well, that would

[2:54:06] Voice 18: require another methodology. So right now, you know, we're working on Galliano as well. So

[2:54:14] Voice 18: by working on Galliano and North Pender in a similar way, we can move forward with a similar

[2:54:20] Voice 18: methodology and again i mean developing the methodology um i mean it takes time um to really

[2:54:25] Voice 18: understand what how we can most effectively use the maps um and um you know as you know it's taken

[2:54:31] Voice 18: time to get to where we are and um you know i've really um begun to understand all of the details

[2:54:36] Voice 18: and and what and why i mean it's been really necessary for that time for for that time to to

[2:54:42] Voice 18: pass and all the all the work that that's been been done to this point is it's like i said it's

[2:54:48] Voice 18: very exciting so um now we are in a position that we can move that forward so that's that's where

[2:54:52] Voice 18: where we're

[2:54:53] Trustee McConchie: going so i'll ask the question again because i understand how busy you guys are like

[2:54:58] Trustee McConchie: i get it that's why i'm asking a straight up question can we get what i just listed off done

[2:55:04] Trustee McConchie: before the october 15th term election like if if not then do we can what can we do to set up

[2:55:12] Trustee McConchie: or make it a an election issue you understand i got on our perspective we have to think of the

[2:55:17] Trustee McConchie: politics of this right and uh

[2:55:19] Trustee McConchie: sorry go ahead chair patrick i

[2:55:22] Trustee Patrick: i like i said i prefer not to

[2:55:24] Trustee Patrick: think of politics i prefer to think of let's end up in a place that's best for north pender um and

[2:55:29] Trustee Patrick: one of the i know one of the ways of of moving quickly is partnerships and i look at and i did

[2:55:38] Trustee Patrick: go read all the washington state uh documentation on critical critical whatever the term is here

[2:55:45] Voice 14: um

[2:55:46] Trustee Patrick: and and it's the reasons for designating these and a big one is working with water systems

[2:55:53] Trustee Patrick: who have a direct motivation to ensure that their the sustainability of their systems and i think

[2:55:59] Trustee Patrick: that's an opportunity on on north pender to work with the two major systems to to um spend some

[2:56:07] Trustee Patrick: some time with them you know now so that they they would be there to stand with you on on this idea

[2:56:16] Trustee Patrick: going forward um rather than being you know just the ones here because i think they're they've got

[2:56:21] Trustee Patrick: strong motivations to see their systems um protected i'm

[2:56:27] Trustee McConchie: just concerned that all this hard

[2:56:29] Trustee McConchie: work could be thrown out of the thrown out with the baby in the bath water the next term there's

[2:56:35] Trustee McConchie: an assumption right now that there's going to be continuity between government and i'm quite

[2:56:40] Trustee McConchie: concerned about that i'm just expressing that in a public meeting if that makes sense right yeah if i

[2:56:48] Voice 12: may chair patrick um and um i don't know if staff should say this but i do share that same concern

[2:56:54] Voice 12: trust in the coffee for sure yeah um just globally as well this populist movement um and anti-science

[2:57:02] Voice 12: sentiment that is happening so i really appreciate this ltc as well as the galliano ltc uh to to see

[2:57:12] Voice 12: the science for what it is is that um the science is has been reviewed and robust but it's only as

[2:57:19] Voice 12: good as it is if it's implemented so in my opinion i think that looking at water budget

[2:57:25] Voice 12: water demand controlling density is a decadal process okay and i think that this ltc has done

[2:57:34] Voice 12: a really great job on facilitating work to get us somewhat of a baseline study at 2020 baseline of

[2:57:42] Voice 12: what maybe not how much water we have but what science do we have to establish how much water

[2:57:49] Voice 12: we have with respect to the recharge potential dpa i believe we're ready to go we're ready to

[2:57:58] Voice 12: put in a regulation that can last a decade so then we finally catch up to the water budget

[2:58:05] Voice 12: science that we're we're in really good shape and so i would say let's work backwards from october

[2:58:14] Voice 12: what do we need to do to say when October happens that there is a DPA in the OCP

[2:58:21] Voice 12: and I think that's a planner question if it's possible so I guess that would be like third

[2:58:27] Voice 12: reading or I'm just embarrassing myself with planner speak here but I think that's the best

[2:58:33] Voice 12: way to do it can we have a DPA by September and then what are the steps and what are the

[2:58:38] Voice 12: meetings that need to occur exactly so moving back

[2:58:42] Voice 12: to now and so say if i get you that map

[2:58:45] Voice 12: in march what what do we have to do to get there bingo

[2:58:50] Trustee McConchie: so so what do i guess the question we should

[2:58:52] Trustee McConchie: be having is what do you need from us to help you implement this is the fundamental question

[2:58:57] Trustee McConchie: what do you need from us and direction from the ltc just the recommendations you put in the staff

[2:59:01] Trustee McConchie: report as written right now okay yeah

[2:59:04] Voice 18: uh sorry go ahead

[2:59:05] Voice 18: um yeah through the chair so um i the

[2:59:09] Voice 18: updated work plan does identify um us being able to move to first reading by april um so you know

[2:59:20] Voice 18: the the intention is is to to move this through um by the end of term as best we can yeah it's

[2:59:27] Trustee McConchie: It's just, I just saw implementation on that calendar as well as being.

[2:59:32] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think the map is going to determine a lot of speed.

[2:59:36] Trustee Patrick: How big is it and where is it and how many, you know, what,

[2:59:42] Trustee Patrick: what's impacted. I think I, you know, without seeing the map,

[2:59:45] Trustee Patrick: it's difficult to say what, what your, what the concerns could be.

[2:59:52] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[2:59:52] Trustee Patrick: I would encourage working with potential partners of, of the,

[2:59:56] Trustee Patrick: of the two major water areas to see.

[3:00:00] Trustee Patrick: their interest to improve likelihood um and another as we look at the guidelines and so forth

[3:00:14] Trustee Patrick: of what we're looking for i know i'm encouraging a lot of um like common land or large landholders

[3:00:21] Trustee Patrick: to look at fire management plans and what's involved in creating the healthy forests within

[3:00:26] Trustee Patrick: those fire management plans and i think that's something um that needs to be accounted for

[3:00:32] Trustee Patrick: because i think there's going to be a lot more motivation for people to understand and and and

[3:00:36] Trustee Patrick: manage the ecosystem you know in a way that's improving the health of the forest and that might

[3:00:41] Trustee Patrick: contradict with what's here so but without the map you don't know how much areas included but yeah i

[3:00:49] Trustee Patrick: mean this

[3:00:51] Trustee McConchie: is what we got right now like i i mean i'm ready to move forward i want to encourage our

[3:00:55] Trustee McConchie: staff that they've done great work and that that we certainly have a timeline that is a concern

[3:01:00] Trustee McConchie: I don't want any of this work to go to waste this is important that we see so that's kind of where I'm at. And as from what I'm hearing the staff recommendations at the top of the staff report exactly what they need in order to get this implemented.

[3:01:14] Trustee McConchie: okay so on that spirit i'd like to move that number one uh if the if we have lauren if you're

[3:01:20] Trustee McConchie: ready what i'm going to do is i'm going to read out the um recommendations on page um whatever

[3:01:28] Trustee McConchie: it is of the staff report 116 we're on page 116 and

[3:01:33] Trustee Patrick: i'm just gonna read it yeah she should have

[3:01:34] Trustee Patrick: those in her template for this

[3:01:36] Trustee McConchie: it's 14

[3:01:37] Trustee Patrick: .2 in the agenda correct

[3:01:39] Trustee McConchie: yeah i'm just explaining that i'm

[3:01:40] Trustee McConchie: I'm going to verbally say them out loud and not change them on the staff

[3:01:43] Trustee McConchie: report for just for, it sounded like we were, you know,

[3:01:46] Trustee McConchie: she's not used to the crazy pace of this LTC.

[3:01:49] Trustee McConchie: And we really appreciate what Lauren's doing today. Cause Shannon,

[3:01:52] Trustee McConchie: we've Shannon's moved on to the ambulance.

[3:02:00] Trustee McConchie: You got to face

[3:02:01] Trustee Patrick: your, we can't hear you.

[3:02:02] Trustee McConchie: I'd like to move that the North Pender Island local trust committee

[3:02:06] Trustee McConchie: request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend the North Pender Island

[3:02:08] Trustee McConchie: official community plan bylaw number one, seven, one, 2007,

[3:02:12] Trustee McConchie: and seven to include

[3:02:13] Trustee McConchie: critical aquifer recharge development

[3:02:15] Trustee McConchie: permit area guidelines, map updates, and minor updates

[3:02:18] Trustee McConchie: to relevant sections as identified

[3:02:20] Trustee McConchie: in the February 24th, 2022 staff report.

[3:02:24] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[3:02:25] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Morrison.

[3:02:26] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[3:02:29] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I would just like to, like I said,

[3:02:33] Trustee Patrick: the map is going to base some of the comments

[3:02:35] Trustee Patrick: that I would have based on what areas are captured

[3:02:38] Trustee Patrick: and what's there on the map.

[3:02:44] Trustee Patrick: what would affect you know some of the comments I think may affect we need to see that the map

[3:02:48] Trustee Patrick: is going to be a critical piece to to this and looking forward to seeing that John William

[3:02:56] Voice 12: yeah just to comment on that indeed the map is going to be a concert conversation piece

[3:03:03] Voice 12: but I think so will the guidelines as well like you mentioned fire risk and things like that and

[3:03:09] Voice 12: And perhaps that the development permit area can also speak to the, like the landowners who may not put in an application that would engage a permit, right?

[3:03:23] Voice 12: That it would say in these critical after recharge areas, we can provide either best management practices or fire smart or something like that.

[3:03:33] Voice 12: So I think that could be maybe information notes.

[3:03:36] Voice 12: I don't really know the OCP term for that, but I guess what we are trying to do here is just provide the LTC with a full package to say this is what the DPA would need to go forward, and of course, we can make amendments from that.

[3:03:55] Trustee Patrick: All right. Any further discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor? That's carried.

[3:04:03] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:04:04] Trustee McConchie: move that the North Penner Island Local Trust Committee

[3:04:06] Trustee McConchie: request staff to prepare a draft by-law to amendment.

[3:04:11] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, that's incorrect.

[3:04:12] Trustee McConchie: Just speak

[3:04:12] Trustee Patrick: English, to amend.

[3:04:14] Trustee McConchie: To amend the land use by-law to include updates

[3:04:17] Trustee McConchie: to definitions, addition of cistern requirements

[3:04:19] Trustee McConchie: for all new builds and updates to subdivision regulations

[3:04:22] Trustee McConchie: related to potable water.

[3:04:26] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[3:04:27] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Morrison.

[3:04:29] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[3:04:32] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[3:04:36] Trustee Patrick: That's carried.

[3:04:37] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:04:37] Trustee McConchie: move that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[3:04:39] Trustee McConchie: request staff to identify options for changes

[3:04:42] Trustee McConchie: to zoning regulations informed by GW Solutions 2021

[3:04:46] Trustee McConchie: Groundwater Availability Assessment Data.

[3:04:51] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second by Trustee Morrison?

[3:04:54] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to ask a question here as these trustees

[3:04:57] Trustee Patrick: have been working on some land use changes,

[3:05:01] Trustee Patrick: is this potentially going to impact the other project?

[3:05:09] Voice 12: it's a good uh through

[3:05:10] Voice 12: the chair yeah that's a great question actually um we might have to ask

[3:05:16] Voice 12: planner stockdale and i imagine that um that perhaps the options are are wider reaching than

[3:05:24] Voice 12: an individual project but yeah indeed it might be included i'm not sure oh there's planner stockdale

[3:05:30] Voice 12: hello

[3:05:31] Planner Stockdill: i've been listening um so i mean in a perfect world we would have would have had this

[3:05:37] Planner Stockdill: all this fantastic mapping information a few years ago right before we started the land use bylaw

[3:05:42] Planner Stockdill: review but in light of that in light of how you know that that wasn't the case when we started

[3:05:47] Planner Stockdill: this project I'd still like to see this project move on as is if there's anything that we could

[3:05:52] Planner Stockdill: make minor tweaks the land use bylaw at the next meeting we can do that but I would like to try to

[3:05:58] Planner Stockdill: keep the two projects as separate as possible and as Nerissa mentioned there will be an opportunity

[3:06:04] Planner Stockdill: to amend the land use bylaw again through this process um um but with the nurse and i will work

[3:06:13] Planner Stockdill: together as um it's hard to know which actually land use bylaw amendment would be approved first

[3:06:18] Planner Stockdill: so that's more of a technical um exercise if anything but um yeah those are my comments on

[3:06:25] Planner Stockdill: the two projects okay

[3:06:26] Trustee Patrick: because i mean just wanting to you know for steven conkey you're asking what

[3:06:31] Trustee Patrick: What can you get done by October?

[3:06:32] Trustee Patrick: You know, this is potential zoning changes that you just went through the land use.

[3:06:36] Trustee Patrick: You know how long we've been working on that other project.

[3:06:39] Trustee Patrick: This could be some new ones.

[3:06:41] Trustee Patrick: So I'm just flagging this for your attention.

[3:06:44] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, because, I mean, as you look in the staff report that I prepared for the land use bylaw, really we're hoping for first reading sometime this spring.

[3:06:53] Planner Stockdill: and if this project moves on unfortunately I haven't checked the the project charter I'm not

[3:06:59] Planner Stockdill: sure when first reading is proposed for this project but if there's any items that are

[3:07:07] Planner Stockdill: simple technical amendments that we can include in the land use bylaw review that I'm working on

[3:07:11] Planner Stockdill: then certainly we can do that and I can I can talk to nurse over the next week or two there's

[3:07:16] Planner Stockdill: a few things that we can flag but in terms of a full review of the subdivision regulations I think

[3:07:21] Planner Stockdill: that's out of scope for the for the project i'm working on um but there may be a few like

[3:07:26] Planner Stockdill: amendments to definitions and so forth that we can include okay

[3:07:31] Trustee Patrick: uh william yeah

[3:07:33] Voice 12: um well yeah thank

[3:07:36] Voice 12: you to the ltc for posing these great questions for staff to really deliberate on we need to

[3:07:41] Voice 12: connect on this um because with respect to uh number two uh recommendation number two

[3:07:47] Voice 12: updates to the subdivision regulations related to potable water we do have a swap out bylaw that

[3:07:57] Voice 12: we will be proposing um for uh related to potable water which has gone through man we're in like

[3:08:07] Voice 12: year two and a half of doing that on salt spring island so and that's been in in cooperation

[3:08:15] Voice 12: and coordination with the province to update the proof of water to meet the Water Sustainability

[3:08:22] Voice 12: Act and so forth. So I would say that staff will connect on that to ensure that perhaps

[3:08:30] Voice 12: that can be a possibility for the LTC if they wish to carry that forward.

[3:08:35] Voice 12: For number three, for zoning changes, I think what our intention is to identify the options

[3:08:44] Voice 12: for changes. And like I said, that might be a long-term solution just to identify areas of

[3:08:51] Voice 12: issue. However, it would be up to the LTC to identify if they're able to undertake any of

[3:08:58] Voice 12: those options within the 11th hour of the term. So the way that I see it is that number one is

[3:09:06] Voice 12: the immediate thing that we are committed to undertaking and completing by the end of term.

[3:09:12] Voice 12: number two is is related to the LUB update so I would nurse that our planner Chadwick and Stockton

[3:09:19] Voice 12: and I have to discuss that and then plan and number three is like setting forward the future

[3:09:24] Voice 12: and then number four is just enabling us to do all this stuff so so that that's how I how I see it

[3:09:34] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[3:09:35] Voice 18: yeah and I just say um I as you can see that the land use bylaw isn't specifically named in

[3:09:42] Voice 18: number two because um that's assuming that there is that potential option to integrate with um

[3:09:49] Voice 18: with the land use bylaw amendment that that are moving forward so it does open it up to that

[3:09:56] Voice 18: option or to be integrate or to be the amendment to the amended bylaw um um but i think um i think

[3:10:02] Voice 18: william characterized it very well is that we are at this point in a very good position to start to

[3:10:08] Voice 18: to actually draft the amendments for, you know,

[3:10:11] Voice 18: so the first two recommendations there,

[3:10:14] Voice 18: and we will be coming, we will have to come back to you

[3:10:17] Voice 18: with the options for those additional changes.

[3:10:19] Voice 18: So it may be that we can move forward with the,

[3:10:25] Voice 18: you know, those things that are identified,

[3:10:28] Voice 18: you know, in recommendation number two, you know,

[3:10:31] Voice 18: with the existing bylaw amendment process,

[3:10:34] Voice 18: if that process moves well, let's say.

[3:10:40] Voice 18: If we have to move this forward faster,

[3:10:43] Voice 18: then we can sort of figure out how best to do that.

[3:10:49] Trustee Patrick: All right, any further discussion on this motion?

[3:10:52] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[3:10:53] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[3:10:55] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[3:10:58] Trustee McConchie: North Bender Island Local Trust Committee

[3:11:00] Trustee McConchie: enforce the revised project charter

[3:11:02] Trustee McConchie: for the groundwater sustainability implementation project.

[3:11:07] Trustee Patrick: is there a second second by trustee morrison i'm just i'm just going to comment i mean i i know

[3:11:14] Trustee Patrick: we're we're quickly i'm encouraging you know as we look at the project charter it's the what are

[3:11:25] Trustee Patrick: the objectives and i i i'm always opposed you know objectives to regulate it's what you know what are

[3:11:32] Trustee Patrick: we trying to achieve and and those type of of language so we just have to be aware that we're

[3:11:37] Trustee Patrick: We're kind of moving in with a set of tools at the moment.

[3:11:40] Trustee Patrick: And always have that in your mind as to what are we trying to achieve.

[3:11:45] Trustee McConchie: What

[3:11:46] Trustee Patrick: we're trying to

[3:11:46] Trustee McConchie: achieve is protection of our groundwater, limited groundwater resources,

[3:11:51] Trustee McConchie: which me growing up on Pender, you know, I've known about since when I was a baby.

[3:11:56] Trustee McConchie: You know, there's not very much water here.

[3:11:58] Trustee McConchie: And if anything, the regulations are for the benefit of the islanders

[3:12:05] Trustee McConchie: and for the long-term sustainability of our of our island community you know it's it's a no-brainer

[3:12:11] Trustee McConchie: but i certainly appreciate the staff understanding the urgency uh of this uh and i understand how

[3:12:20] Trustee McConchie: busy staff is so i really appreciate the time and effort that was put into this report putting this

[3:12:26] Trustee McConchie: plan in place and now recognizing that this ltc i believe i speak on behalf of chair patrick and

[3:12:33] Trustee McConchie: and Trustee Morrison is very interested in the implementation part and is ready to work with

[3:12:39] Trustee McConchie: you guys. We need to just know how to help you best. All right. Any further discussion?

[3:12:47] Trustee Morrison: I would just echo that, that, you know, like whatever we can do to support the moving of this,

[3:12:52] Trustee Morrison: because, you know, water especially was, I think, one of the first things we named, right,

[3:12:58] Trustee Morrison: way back in the term. And it is something that's critical for us to see through in this term.

[3:13:03] Trustee Morrison: it is a lot harder for people to undo things politically than to do things and so for us to

[3:13:11] Trustee Morrison: get further along on this pathway and show what what leadership in this area can look like would

[3:13:16] Trustee Morrison: really really beneficial so thanks for all your hard work on this and I know I can I can be a

[3:13:21] Trustee Morrison: hard one to deal with sometimes about like where is the maps but like I really just because I want

[3:13:28] Trustee Morrison: want to see this like through so uh

[3:13:31] Voice 12: yeah thank you for that trustee morrison and just to maybe

[3:13:35] Voice 12: quote trustee mcconkey i would really like to get you a map so you can sit down with you know

[3:13:40] Voice 12: the islanders over a beer and you know get

[3:13:43] Voice 12: it out on the pub table and that's exactly right

[3:13:46] Voice 12: and you

[3:13:47] Voice 12: know because you know as a hydrogeologist i have 20 years in the business and i always get humbled

[3:13:55] Voice 12: when I speak to, you know, like the backhoe operators on the islands and, you know, the

[3:14:00] Voice 12: people that have been around and know the water, you know, it's, it's, and so getting that feedback,

[3:14:06] Voice 12: maybe just soft feedback to you. And then of course, since it's going to be a DPA process,

[3:14:14] Voice 12: there's going to be community involvement, of course, but I think, you know, the, as soon as

[3:14:19] Voice 12: we get you the maps, I imagine we're going to go and soft launch them. And so that'd be really

[3:14:22] Voice 12: helpful and yeah i appreciate it i i mean i love north pender i got my campsites for prior

[3:14:29] Voice 12: centennial this uh this summer and stoked to go and spend a week on pender and yeah so thanks for

[3:14:37] Voice 12: all your support appreciate it

[3:14:38] Trustee Patrick: all right um then i shall call the vote all those in favor and that's

[3:14:44] Trustee Patrick: carried all right thank you thank

[3:14:47] Trustee McConchie: you thank you thank you william and thank you planner stockdale

[3:14:50] Trustee McConchie: for that all

[3:14:53] Trustee Patrick: right um so moving on then we have our top priorities uh list here and projects list

[3:15:07] Trustee Patrick: on page 134.

[3:15:09] Trustee McConchie: is there anything planners doctor that you see an application that might be uh

[3:15:14] Trustee McConchie: challenging uh in for the march meeting

[3:15:16] Planner Stockdill: um i would i i couldn't comment on that right now

[3:15:21] Planner Stockdill: I'm

[3:15:21] Trustee McConchie: not sure where

[3:15:21] Planner Stockdill: the list is since Planner TestML generally does all the processing of the

[3:15:25] Trustee Patrick: application.

[3:15:26] Planner Stockdill: Are you

[3:15:29] Trustee Patrick: hoping for an easy meeting?

[3:15:31] Trustee McConchie: Well no I do see no but yeah yeah kind of because

[3:15:34] Trustee McConchie: I do see the land use bylaw being a big discussion point next and some decisions being made and you

[3:15:41] Trustee McConchie: know it's maybe some community feedback coming our way and so I just wanted to know if there's

[3:15:47] Trustee McConchie: anything i need to do my homework on before uh yeah yeah

[3:15:52] Planner Stockdill: um when um when robert puts the agenda

[3:15:56] Planner Stockdill: together uh he's aware the land use bylaw is on for the march 24th so generally he'll

[3:16:01] Planner Stockdill: only put on a few applications on that agenda as well okay um

[3:16:07] Voice 13: i'm seeing on here the

[3:16:09] Voice 13: sorry we're okay to talk about applications we're there

[3:16:13] Voice 13: okay sorry i was thinking you're one

[3:16:15] Voice 13: before that but um okay so i do see the

[3:16:19] Trustee Morrison: application by uh scott elliott on here and that it was

[3:16:24] Trustee Morrison: created an agenda packet on february 11th i'm confused why that's not in here is that it's a

[3:16:30] Trustee Morrison: board of variance okay so it went to board of variance instead of here i didn't i don't see

[3:16:40] Trustee Morrison: that

[3:16:40] Voice 13: it's in the file name

[3:16:42] Trustee Morrison: oh i see it okay okay if we could have it a little clearer that it's

[3:16:47] Trustee Morrison: requesting a variance through the board of variance or something maybe i just know that

[3:16:50] Trustee Morrison: now and in the future but um that's helpful to know okay thank you any other questions on

[3:16:58] Trustee Patrick: applications uh we have the trustee expense reports here for your information your policy

[3:17:06] Trustee Patrick: standing resolutions and then nothing's there under a new business there was the

[3:17:12] Trustee Patrick: governance study by the magic lake property owners society that was yeah

[3:17:18] Trustee McConchie: it looks like they requested well i don't know how to proceed yeah

[3:17:27] Trustee Patrick: i can bring that in

[3:17:29] Trustee Patrick: yeah have you got something on that trustee more center yeah

[3:17:33] Trustee Morrison: the specific question that we had

[3:17:36] Trustee Morrison: with relation to that was about the province actually was really curious for us to be able to

[3:17:45] Trustee Morrison: and actually I think the CRD too was curious about it for us to be able to say if we had an opinion

[3:17:51] Trustee Morrison: about the as an LTC about that government study being asked for just because that would help them

[3:17:58] Trustee Morrison: in making their decisions and thinking what the local government feels about that issue so I didn't

[3:18:05] Trustee Morrison: know if we wanted to just talk about that briefly. I don't have a particular motion to put on the

[3:18:09] Trustee Morrison: table one way or the other yet, but I thought it might be helpful if we do want to discuss that

[3:18:14] Trustee Morrison: and have a more like LTC opinion about it, if we have any kind of consensus. If we don't have

[3:18:20] Trustee Morrison: consensus, I would rather not put a motion on the table, but if we find we have consensus, maybe we

[3:18:25] Trustee Morrison: do.

[3:18:25] Trustee Patrick: Well, I thought the question that was worthy of potentially a resolution was to request the

[3:18:30] Trustee Patrick: province to explain the process um that may involve islands trust in in in in this as it

[3:18:38] Trustee Patrick: goes forward so i thought um that that that was you know we didn't

[3:18:43] Trustee Patrick: need to necessarily express

[3:18:44] Trustee Patrick: an opinion at this point but we could ask the province to inform us as to the process

[3:18:48] Trustee Patrick: i

[3:18:50] Trustee McConchie: listened into the whole crd meeting uh where alternate director paul brent

[3:18:57] Trustee McConchie: the trustee from saturn arguing in favor of a governance management review and then

[3:19:03] Trustee McConchie: eric holland plant who's the chair of the crd um you know he he had a good point he's he's like

[3:19:11] Trustee McConchie: well and mike hicks the the electoral director also chimed in is is the it's the idea that

[3:19:17] Trustee McConchie: there it's a it's a governance study that may or may not lead to anything it's it's it's basically

[3:19:23] Trustee McConchie: paid by the province to study how the government government is and make recommendations or not

[3:19:31] Trustee McConchie: uh to the public so you know even if they and mike hicks pointed out in juan de fuca in the

[3:19:38] Trustee McConchie: electoral area he said they did a big study and then they had a big talk in the community

[3:19:43] Trustee McConchie: and then they ended up going back and not changing anything but it was good to go through the process

[3:19:47] Trustee McConchie: of having the discussion of how to what the state of the government is where you know the

[3:19:53] Trustee McConchie: the, the magic lake folks, the property owners association passed a resolution, right. With a,

[3:19:58] Trustee McConchie: with a small number of folks attending that, that meeting. Um, and they're mainly interested

[3:20:03] Trustee McConchie: in incorporation, but, but the study has nothing to do with promoting incorporation or not. It's

[3:20:10] Trustee McConchie: a general study of, of governance in the islands. So, um, they may not come back with any

[3:20:17] Trustee McConchie: recommendations having to do with incorporation so it's kind of like what what does the ltc think

[3:20:23] Trustee McConchie: well i mean i'm in favor anytime you get an idea of how to improve the government but that said i

[3:20:29] Trustee McConchie: have my own political beliefs about how i think the government should be structured and i think

[3:20:33] Trustee McConchie: it's kind of a waste of time to like keep asking how should it be structured how should it be

[3:20:37] Trustee McConchie: restructured when i actually know you know like i have my political idea and i think i've got other

[3:20:43] Trustee McConchie: folks in the community that think the same we're

[3:20:45] Voice 8: getting studied to death and

[3:20:47] Trustee McConchie: it's like when are

[3:20:48] Trustee McConchie: we going to actually change our governance structure to really reflect the climate crisis

[3:20:53] Trustee McConchie: we're dealing with to change us to the first nation's reconciliation declarations and uh you

[3:20:59] Trustee McConchie: know when's that going to happen how many more studies do we need so that's kind of where my

[3:21:04] Trustee McConchie: option my my concern comes from so blah blah blah but i just wanted to lay that out there

[3:21:12] Trustee McConchie: so um i i don't know uh it's hard for me to logically oppose a study of governance

[3:21:20] Trustee McConchie: that's paid for by the province i mean hard to find an argument against that unless you

[3:21:25] Trustee McConchie: have one chair patrick or trustee well

[3:21:26] Trustee Patrick: i was gonna say i don't think we need i don't think

[3:21:28] Trustee Patrick: we as a local trust committee need to have a where i don't think we need to go on record of any you

[3:21:35] Trustee Patrick: know in favor or against any method um well

[3:21:39] Trustee McConchie: if we are against it though we should probably let

[3:21:41] Trustee McConchie: the crd board know i mean we should let them know that we're not in favor of it if we are against it

[3:21:46] Trustee McConchie: is the point

[3:21:50] Trustee Patrick: perhaps so that's the yeah i think that's the question is what's the process

[3:21:56] Trustee Morrison: well i don't know if it's the process or not like honestly because i mean yeah i guess part of it is

[3:22:03] Trustee Morrison: the process I guess part of it is like to something Ben said like I have a reluctance even

[3:22:10] Trustee Morrison: going down the governance study level because maybe the province is paying for it but somewhere

[3:22:15] Trustee Morrison: I'm sure that's my money paying for it and so like you know at some level I just want people to even

[3:22:22] Trustee Morrison: know more about it before there's any study done like I don't think that there's and that is

[3:22:29] Trustee Morrison: is literally the lesson of the last four years,

[3:22:31] Trustee Morrison: if anybody missed it.

[3:22:33] Trustee Morrison: It's like, make sure that we are constantly

[3:22:36] Trustee Morrison: sharing information with our community

[3:22:39] Trustee Morrison: before anything happens even,

[3:22:40] Trustee Morrison: before anything's really even considered to happen,

[3:22:43] Trustee Morrison: so that we're deeply sure

[3:22:45] Trustee Morrison: that everybody understands what's going on,

[3:22:47] Trustee Morrison: so we don't get the like telephone game going.

[3:22:52] Trustee McConchie: So, Chair Patrick, your comment about what's the process,

[3:22:55] Trustee McConchie: I mean, great, let's ask them that.

[3:22:57] Trustee McConchie: So do we make a formal resolution

[3:22:59] Trustee McConchie: asked them to explain the process of what's happening i

[3:23:05] Trustee Patrick: guess so yes well

[3:23:07] Voice 8: i mean i don't

[3:23:09] Voice 8: know you're on the executive like you tell us oh

[3:23:11] Trustee Patrick: we haven't this isn't this was a came out of a

[3:23:13] Trustee Patrick: conversation from the southern gulf island forum it was where we had um heard this and where the

[3:23:22] Trustee Patrick: conversation was and it was just one of the recommendations was that it was a fair question

[3:23:26] Trustee Patrick: to ask what the process was especially in

[3:23:30] Trustee Patrick: relationship to the island's trust and in that

[3:23:34] Trustee Patrick: regard but right

[3:23:36] Voice 8: well

[3:23:38] Trustee McConchie: uh it sounds to me like they're moving ahead with it whether they like

[3:23:41] Trustee McConchie: want our opinion or not that's and

[3:23:43] Trustee Patrick: it would and it would be we would be asking the province about

[3:23:46] Trustee Patrick: the problem you know what is

[3:23:47] Trustee McConchie: let's ask the process what's going on

[3:23:49] Trustee Patrick: yeah so that's fine

[3:23:50] Trustee Patrick: sure yeah so i

[3:23:52] Trustee McConchie: need to make a formal resolution that we write a letter to the ministry of you know uh the ministry

[3:23:57] Trustee McConchie: the municipal

[3:23:58] Trustee Patrick: municipal affairs municipal

[3:24:00] Trustee McConchie: affairs yeah and and ask them what's what's going on let's

[3:24:03] Trustee McConchie: do that there

[3:24:04] Trustee Patrick: to explain the to explain the process or yeah

[3:24:08] Trustee McConchie: that'd be great please explain

[3:24:10] Trustee McConchie: the process what's going on so we then we can say back to islanders what's happening according to

[3:24:14] Trustee McConchie: the ministry all

[3:24:15] Trustee Patrick: right let's help lauren with this resolution i know

[3:24:17] Trustee McConchie: i move that the north

[3:24:19] Trustee McConchie: pender island local trust committee write the minister of municipal affairs for the province

[3:24:25] Trustee McConchie: of BC to explain the process of the governance review proposed by the Magic Lake Property Owners

[3:24:37] Trustee McConchie: Association at the CRD board.

[3:24:43] Voice 22: Just a moment here because you cut out. Okay.

[3:24:47] Trustee Patrick: Sorry. No, take your

[3:24:49] Trustee Patrick: time. Okay.

[3:24:50] Voice 22: Did you write the Minister of Municipal Affairs of the province of BC to explain the

[3:24:54] Voice 22: process of that and then you cut out? I couldn't hear you. I

[3:24:57] Trustee Patrick: think to request them to explain the

[3:25:00] Trustee Patrick: process uh

[3:25:01] Voice 22: right to the right to the minister of municipal affairs of the province bc to request

[3:25:09] Voice 22: them to explain the process of the go

[3:25:14] Voice 6: ahead study

[3:25:16] Trustee Patrick: governance study

[3:25:17] Voice 22: by

[3:25:20] Trustee Patrick: the magic lake property owners society okay

[3:25:25] Voice 14: i

[3:25:26] Trustee McConchie: mean that's clear enough there's

[3:25:27] Trustee McConchie: someone in a ministry office is going to hopefully understand what that means

[3:25:36] Voice 22: all

[3:25:37] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second to that motion seconded by trustee morrison any discussion

[3:25:44] Trustee Patrick: call the vote then all those in favor and that's carried all right any other discussion on that

[3:25:52] Trustee Patrick: it's not we um uh we'll um our next meeting will be march 24th we do have the community

[3:26:00] Trustee Patrick: information meeting coming on march 12th and at this time there'll be a second town hall we do

[3:26:04] Trustee Patrick: not rework any decisions that we made but again uh please uh use respect when when speaking so this

[3:26:15] Trustee Patrick: is the second town hall i see already a hand up by bob colson well

[3:26:27] Voice 6: bob if you take yourself off mute

[3:26:29] Voice 6: there

[3:26:34] Voice 10: did that work yes hello hello yeah i was trying to get in there and then i so i took my

[3:26:40] Voice 10: hand down and put it back up again because i was having trouble getting noticed um i actually sent

[3:26:46] Voice 10: text here saying hey let me talk let me talk um now i'm trying to remember what i wanted to say

[3:26:52] Voice 10: hang on anyway the uh i just wanted to mention to you we're watching this process unfold up in

[3:26:59] Voice 10: the central okanagan and the way that it seems to be working is they had a study like what these

[3:27:07] Voice 10: guys are talking about five years ago and now they're just going on to their second study five

[3:27:14] Voice 10: years later and it seems to be the process that the ministry wants to go through um our concerns

[3:27:20] Voice 10: are as much to do with day-to-day living and also with how the property taxes work here

[3:27:28] Voice 10: um but as much to do with no speed limit signs um the things that can be probably tweaked by this

[3:27:35] Voice 10: this committee that by this study that we can get some i mean where i live along this and deb lives

[3:27:42] Voice 10: you know this is this is actually a practice route for formula one racing some days

[3:27:48] Voice 10: and uh you know we have a tight corners on both ends of this road and they love to come screaming

[3:27:54] Voice 10: down the hill around and flying down here it's the school bus route and it has small children

[3:27:59] Voice 10: you know toddlers and stuff being walked around by moms and dads and strollers and we have people

[3:28:06] Voice 10: drive around really faster and we don't have one real speed limit sign in magic lake um so there's

[3:28:12] Voice 10: things we need to get done here just to make the place more livable. And also we're watching these

[3:28:19] Voice 10: assessments, BC assessment assessments go through the roof, and they seem to us to be going through

[3:28:26] Voice 10: the roof at a considerably faster rate than they are for the rest of the Southern Gulf Islands

[3:28:30] Voice 10: jurisdiction on which the tax rate is set. That's something else this study might be able to

[3:28:36] Voice 10: accomplish. So anyway, that's a couple of the things I wanted to talk about. I've done a few

[3:28:45] Voice 10: studies as far as in my master's program, or got involved in a couple in my master's program when

[3:28:52] Voice 10: I was back in those days, and a couple in school settings. And it's always been get the study

[3:28:58] Voice 10: arranged and funded before you go talking to anybody because you may not get it. You know,

[3:29:04] Voice 10: It just may not happen, and you spend a lot of time discussing stuff that doesn't take place.

[3:29:10] Voice 10: So that's why we wanted to get the study approved before we actually started,

[3:29:17] Voice 10: and we wanted to get the consultants involved in dealing with the community

[3:29:23] Voice 10: because none of us are trained in that.

[3:29:25] Voice 10: None of us, you know, I in particular think too slowly to really get a fast-moving,

[3:29:32] Voice 10: keeping up in a fast-moving discussion.

[3:29:35] Voice 10: And so we wanted to get that in place.

[3:29:37] Voice 10: I noticed when the CRD was doing their transportation meetings and stuff online that on the right hand side was Justine Stark, who's taking care of that transportation integration.

[3:29:48] Voice 10: And the left hand side up in the corner was the consultant who deals with the PR end of things and how the discussion with the public goes.

[3:29:56] Voice 10: And we just or I just personally don't feel.

[3:30:00] Voice 10: competence in doing that kind of thing myself as deb had mentioned that we really need to get the

[3:30:04] Voice 10: community involved before we start this kind of thing first of all i think we might have wasted

[3:30:09] Voice 10: the community time if the study if the because the ministry when we first contacted them was

[3:30:13] Voice 10: very negative they didn't think we qualified they didn't think this they didn't want to do any more

[3:30:18] Voice 10: uh uh under 5 000 population because it was too expensive for the government

[3:30:24] Voice 10: you know you don't have to pay your own policing costs or any of that stuff

[3:30:28] Voice 10: anyway so we just weren't sure if we were going to get the study or not it looks like we still

[3:30:33] Voice 10: aren't sure i mean all they've done is that crd has contacted them but we don't know for sure that

[3:30:37] Voice 10: it will happen the ministry could still shoot us down although they are sounding more receptive

[3:30:41] Voice 10: than they were at the beginning anyway that's about all i wanted to throw out there uh appreciate

[3:30:47] Trustee Patrick: that bob

[3:30:48] Voice 10: for

[3:30:49] Voice 8: the record that's

[3:30:51] Trustee McConchie: right rep bob is representing bob your comments you're representing

[3:30:56] Trustee McConchie: the magic lake property owners association just for the record i'm just clarifying is that right

[3:31:00] Trustee McConchie: bob yeah

[3:31:02] Voice 10: i'm representing yeah i suppose i am yeah i'm just telling you how the process went along

[3:31:06] Voice 10: yeah and

[3:31:07] Voice 10: we've been doing i

[3:31:08] Trustee McConchie: bob i think anytime islanders get to discuss if i can respond uh you

[3:31:13] Trustee McConchie: know how our government works it's always a work in progress uh i always think it's important to

[3:31:18] Trustee McConchie: have that dialogue so thank you for taking the time to take an interest in that all right thank

[3:31:24] Trustee Patrick: you i see the next ann

[3:31:25] Voice 6: has her hand up hello

[3:31:34] Voice 21: ann hi i i have a couple of questions um under

[3:31:40] Voice 21: uh the minor amendments on page 109 of the land use bylaw review stuff it says uh allow one

[3:31:50] Voice 21: accessory building structure of 100 square feet uh is that on like what what type of lots is that

[3:32:01] Voice 21: sure

[3:32:06] Planner Stockdill: if i may um so that's it

[3:32:07] Planner Stockdill: yeah that's in relation to um for a bare land piece of property

[3:32:12] Planner Stockdill: i the uh land use bylaw amendment would allow the property owner to construct one accessory

[3:32:20] Planner Stockdill: building no greater than 100 square feet on that property prior to the um primary use which is the

[3:32:29] Planner Stockdill: a dwelling unit or or uh or cottage okay

[3:32:32] Voice 21: um so three okay so um the reason why I guess I'm asking

[3:32:39] Voice 21: it is because with the lot size um say in the ALR you're allowed 5,382 square feet and I'm just

[3:32:52] Voice 21: I'm going to use my house as an example I didn't build my house I would never have built a house

[3:32:59] Voice 21: this size it is far too large to clean and maintain just saying but here i am uh so our house

[3:33:08] Voice 21: is 4,600 square feet uh and we have a garage a separate garage that's 600 square feet

[3:33:17] Voice 21: um that which leaves us 182 and then we have a paved driveway so we would i'm assuming

[3:33:29] Voice 21: we would be over our allotted 5,382 square feet I'm finding the whole thing uh complicated so

[3:33:40] Voice 21: um so I guess what I'm asking is would we once we get over that would we have to then apply for

[3:33:49] Voice 21: like if we wanted to build a another a second chicken because we've got chicken coops and

[3:33:55] Voice 21: and a garden shed, and a horse stall, and a donkey stall. So do I then have to go and apply

[3:34:04] Voice 21: for those buildings? Like if I wanted to build a hundred square foot garden shed,

[3:34:12] Voice 21: would I have to apply for it?

[3:34:16] Planner Stockdill: I think the calculations, or perhaps we're referring to

[3:34:21] Planner Stockdill: two different things. So you mentioned a 5,000 and something square foot. Well,

[3:34:27] Voice 21: Well, when you look at the list of the, in the ALR, you're allowed 5,000, you're allowed a house size of 5,382 square feet.

[3:34:38] Voice 21: That's

[3:34:38] Planner Stockdill: right. Yeah. And so that's just your house. That wouldn't include any accessory buildings.

[3:34:43] Planner Stockdill: That wouldn't include a detached garage or detached barn. That's only for your house.

[3:34:49] Voice 21: Okay. So the other ones are, are you, are looked at as outbuildings?

[3:34:53] Voice 21: They're

[3:34:54] Planner Stockdill: outbuildings, that's right. It's a lot right now in the land use bylaw as long as you're within your law coverage.

[3:35:01] Planner Stockdill: Okay, okay.

[3:35:03] Voice 21: Just, it was the hundred square foot, when I saw them in the minor amendments, the hundred square foot building, it wasn't clear to me that all of a sudden you were only going to be allowed one.

[3:35:16] Voice 21: Yeah,

[3:35:17] Trustee Patrick: that helps because that helps, I think, helps Kim prepare for the community information meeting of what type of questions could come.

[3:35:23] Trustee Patrick: And so thanks, Anne, for that.

[3:35:26] Voice 6: I

[3:35:26] Trustee Patrick: have a second question.

[3:35:28] Voice 21: Yep.

[3:35:29] Voice 21: On page 106, this is in the industrial portion of the Land Use By-law Review.

[3:35:38] Voice 21: you it

[3:35:38] Voice 21: says um okay so um i'm just wondering you're going to rezone a couple of properties

[3:35:46] Voice 21: um and i'm just wondering do they not will they not require professional reports

[3:35:54] Voice 21: not

[3:35:58] Planner Stockdill: for their rezoning not through this process no so

[3:36:01] Voice 21: they're they're just going to get their

[3:36:03] Voice 21: zoning and not have to require any professional reports sweet so

[3:36:09] Trustee Morrison: just to be clear so what what

[3:36:12] Trustee Morrison: we are rezoning what we're talking about rezoning as far as i can see across the various things

[3:36:18] Trustee Morrison: so far is actually down zoning are there any what are the things that we're actually rezoning and

[3:36:24] Trustee Morrison: as new zoning kim

[3:36:27] Planner Stockdill: pardon me it would be um don't have that right list in front of me let me pull

[3:36:33] Planner Stockdill: it up. I'm just going to pull up the maps of the portion along Port Washington. Most of the

[3:36:48] Planner Stockdill: properties that are being rezoned are either legalizing a temporary use permit

[3:36:55] Planner Stockdill: or there are the Otter Bay split properties. Let me just bring them up. Would it be helpful

[3:37:12] Planner Stockdill: to show on my screen? Sure. Okay. I always find it helpful to look at a map and we know we're

[3:37:28] Planner Stockdill: talking about the same property. So these maps can be found on the project website

[3:37:34] Planner Stockdill: under draft bylaw. I'm just scrolling to the area. Sorry for the, there we go. Okay so the

[3:37:50] Planner Stockdill: this first section here um is along port washington um this these rezonings here are

[3:38:00] Planner Stockdill: i'm going

[3:38:00] Trustee Morrison: to pause you for a second okay so i thought we had pulled all the industrial out of

[3:38:06] Trustee Morrison: this round of changes i thought that happened at one point i

[3:38:14] Planner Stockdill: don't believe there was direction to

[3:38:15] Planner Stockdill: do that okay make

[3:38:18] Trustee McConchie: a suggestion just a second

[3:38:19] Trustee McConchie: we're getting into like an agenda item yeah

[3:38:22] Voice 15: We've

[3:38:22] Trustee McConchie: heard a question from Anne. Anne's raised great questions. These

[3:38:26] Trustee McConchie: questions should be considered. The March 12th meeting, we should be able to address them better at the March 12th meeting rather than get into a conversation about industrial.

[3:38:35] Trustee McConchie: i think i really appreciate what ann is raising right now and we need to work to get a proper

[3:38:40] Trustee McConchie: answer and feedback because ann thinks this stuff through she's been involved with the islands trust

[3:38:45] Trustee McConchie: for far too long in her opinion and uh and i think uh we we had a conversation and i think

[3:38:52] Trustee McConchie: we should continue this conversation and address at the march 12th meeting that's okay patrick

[3:38:57] Trustee Patrick: yes if that's yep nope and i think you're helping uh shape the shape the next community and feel

[3:39:02] Planner Stockdill: free to give me a call as well and we can rather

[3:39:04] Trustee McConchie: than wing it here yeah

[3:39:06] Voice 21: it i i find it easy i've

[3:39:08] Voice 21: found it kind of easier to get in touch with people during meetings yeah um yeah okay i'll

[3:39:18] Voice 21: i'll wait till the community information meeting thanks sorry i was gonna bring this up i just met

[3:39:23] Voice 21: the missed the first part town hall earlier so sorry about that yeah

[3:39:29] Trustee Morrison: no no worries um kim i would

[3:39:32] Trustee Morrison: like to know though maybe for the maybe it is march 12th meeting related to that um if there

[3:39:38] Trustee Morrison: are things that we're adding zoning to because my understanding is that we we're just changing

[3:39:44] Trustee Morrison: zoning in terms of potentially down zoning stuff but that not actually i can't think of places

[3:39:49] Trustee Morrison: where we're adding zone so that might be just some miscommunication along the way

[3:39:57] Trustee Patrick: okay

[3:39:58] Voice 6: um

[3:40:00] Voice 6: Um, right. I see the next person, Kathy. Hi, can you hear

[3:40:09] Voice 20: me? Yes. Oh, hi there. Um, I I've written

[3:40:13] Voice 20: this in, so this is just a short little thing because after listening to the other town hall,

[3:40:18] Voice 20: I'm, I'm a dedicated attendee and actually I'm sitting in the ferry lineup right now in Schwartz

[3:40:23] Voice 20: Bay listening to this meeting. Um, anyway, um, I, I don't believe that you guys are being deceitful

[3:40:31] Voice 20: having these zoom meetings because obviously i like thank

[3:40:34] Voice 20: you and i would appreciate actually

[3:40:40] Voice 20: being able to have those continued even if they're in person i did come to the in-person meeting at

[3:40:46] Voice 20: the you know the church hall uh but it's like uh you know you know the agendas are big right so i

[3:40:53] Voice 20: mean it's going to be long so not all the agenda items do i want to listen to um but so it's hard

[3:41:00] Voice 20: because you can't really keep on track you know because it's it's so hard it's uh it depends so

[3:41:06] Voice 20: anyway i'm just saying that you guys are not deceitful and i love the zoom meetings and it

[3:41:12] Voice 20: uh lets me you know connect and be a part of it uh wherever i am so thank you thank

[3:41:19] Trustee Patrick: you thank you

[3:41:20] Trustee Patrick: kathy uh our intent when we do have the in-person meetings will be to have at least live streamable

[3:41:26] Trustee Patrick: um some sometimes it doesn't work but it will be record always be recorded and available

[3:41:32] Trustee Patrick: afterwards if uh if the live stream didn't didn't work for some reason anyway thank you

[3:41:37] Trustee Patrick: uh next one is

[3:41:38] Voice 6: michael sketch hello

[3:41:47] Voice 2: can you hear me yes we can

[3:41:48] Voice 2: um thank you for advancing the

[3:41:51] Voice 2: groundwater recharge mapping project um it's it's a fundamental concern to uh the trust area

[3:41:59] Voice 2: And I do share Mr. Shulba's and at least one trustee's concern that there could well be a political shift at the next election, judging from the trust policy statement feedback.

[3:42:16] Voice 2: And this is so important that please get the mapping through and pass the DPA mapping.

[3:42:24] Voice 2: mapping uh and on that same note um the trust policy statement um there is talk amongst some

[3:42:34] Voice 2: councillors at trust council that uh perhaps the amendment of the trust policy statement will be

[3:42:40] Voice 2: left to the next turn or turned it into a an election issue please you have gifted councillors

[3:42:49] Voice 2: who understand the um the process um and if there is is a lag on staff uh rewriting of the essential

[3:43:00] Voice 2: parts structure and or content of the trust policy statement um in the old days um the trust policy

[3:43:08] Voice 2: statement was or trust policy was written by councillors sitting around a table you have the

[3:43:14] Voice 2: abilities um perhaps you don't have the leadership and please form that leadership and move that

[3:43:21] Voice 2: project forward it is i'm addressing 10 of trust council now um it needs a firm resolve

[3:43:30] Voice 2: on march the 8th 9th or 10th please thank you

[3:43:36] Trustee Patrick: thank you michael not seeing any other hands

[3:43:40] Trustee Patrick: We still have an in-camera session to get to here.

[3:43:44] Trustee Patrick: So I want to thank everyone for being here today

[3:43:46] Trustee Patrick: and that your comments are important

[3:43:50] Trustee Patrick: and please reach out and let us know

[3:43:53] Trustee Patrick: and do come to the community information meeting on March 12th.

[3:43:56] Trustee Patrick: It will be a virtual meeting and come with your questions

[3:44:00] Trustee Patrick: and we'll do our best to get them answered

[3:44:02] Trustee Patrick: and it'll inform the project going forward.

[3:44:05] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[3:44:07] Trustee Patrick: so with that uh trustees i do we do have a motion on page three of the agenda package that needs to

[3:44:13] Trustee Patrick: be read to go into camera um

[3:44:15] Trustee McConchie: i don't have it in front of me i just closed my other computer

[3:44:17] Trustee McConchie: sorry

[3:44:19] Trustee Patrick: that's okay okay i got it yep thank you okay

[3:44:24] Trustee Morrison: that the meeting be closed to the public

[3:44:27] Trustee Morrison: in accordance with the community charter part four division 3 s 90 parentheses one

[3:44:36] Trustee Morrison: for the purpose of considering adoption of in-camera meeting minutes

[3:44:41] Trustee Morrison: dated January 27th, 2022, an appointment of APC members

[3:44:45] Trustee Morrison: and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:44:48] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second? Seconded by...

[3:44:50] Trustee Patrick: Yep, all those in favor?

[3:44:55] Trustee Patrick: And great, we're going to close.

[3:44:57] Trustee Patrick: So thank you everyone for being here today.

[3:45:01] Trustee Patrick: We're going to be closing the meeting to the public.

[3:45:04] Trustee Patrick: and i'll wait for robin to uh uh and we remain here right chair yes

[3:45:10] Voice 6: yeah okay

[3:45:11] Trustee Patrick: robin will shut

[3:45:13] Trustee Patrick: everything down

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
February 24, 2022 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Benjamin McConchie, Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Trustee  
  
Staff Present: Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 William Shulba, Senior Freshwater Specialist 
 Lauren Edwards, Recorder 
  
 There were approximately 11 members of the public attending the 
Zoom 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 10:10 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations.  She commented on the news 
coming out of Ukraine. 
2. RISE AND REPORT - In-camera January 27, 2022 Meeting 
By general consent the LTC agreed to rise and report at the next regular meeting that the LTC 
appointed Ann Stephenson, Anne Burdett, Barbara Johnstone, George Leroux, and 
Martha McMahon to the North Pender Island Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission, 
commencing immediately for a term ending July 30, 2022.   
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
Added to Item 12:   
 Email correspondence from David Howe, CRD Director for Southern Gulf Islands; and 
 Public correspondence from Donn Korbin. 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
4. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee McConchie read from his Pender Post article that:   
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 Local newspapers help inform islanders of local governance in a non-divisive way in an era 
of social media posts and virtual data; 
 He will attend the Trust Council meeting scheduled for March 8
th
 to 10
th
 and will speak on a 
number of concerns on behalf of the North Pender community as well as several issues 
including budget reduction, governance, and reallocation of program funds in the Strategic 
Plan;   
 He believes the Policy Statement will likely not be passed during this term and before the 
municipal election in October; 
 On Saturday, March 12
th,  
2022, the LTC will hold a Community Information Meeting 
regarding the Land Use Bylaw Review; 
 He hopes for an in-person meeting on March 24
th
, 2022; 
 Trustees continue to make efforts to be available to the community and to improve 
democratic governance; and 
 He offered a note of concern, solidarity and support to Ukrainian Canadians at this time.   
Trustee Morrison reported that:  
 The Trust Programs Committee, which she chairs, has focussed on navigating the Trust 
Policy Statement and the commitment and responsibilities to First Nations reconciliation; 
 She would like to pass a simple policy statement and encouraged the public to attend the 
Trust Council meeting and provide feedback on how they are being represented in that 
space; 
 Efforts will be more coordinated in British Columbia to help communities better understand 
climate change and how we can act to shift our behaviour and learn from each other; and 
 She appreciates receiving communication through text.   
5. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Patrick reported that the Trust Council will be a hybrid meeting in Nanaimo on March 8
th
 
to 10, 2022 and that there will be a Town Hall on March 8
th
 from 7:00 to 9:00 pm.  She asked 
that the public subscribe to the Islands Trust website for notifications and reminders.   
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Ronda Porter questioned whether there is a minimum size for dwellings or two small dwellings 
less than maximum size and whether there is any provision for tiny houses if they can be 
accommodated on a septic system using one of the treatment plants.   
Sandra Tretick asked trustees to reconsider the rezoning of all of the North Pender shoreline 
from W1 to W3 and provided reasons being that:  (1) the Ministry of FLNRO has a current 
vetting process including consultation, (2) not all shoreline around North Pender is equal. She 
suggested use of Development Permit for sensitive areas. (3) She also felt that there is a lack of 
support from property owners and (4) that there is uncertainty about the impact on the 11 
instream applications.  She added that rezoning will not address the issue of illegal and derelict 
docks.    
Chair Patrick responded that these questions would be answered during the Land Use Bylaw 
discussion.   

 
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7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
8. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated January 27, 2022 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of January 27, 2022 
were adopted as presented. 
9.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes Dated February 5, 2022 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes February 5, 2022 were 
adopted as presented. 
9.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated Feb 2022 
9.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Feb 2022 
Planner Stockdill reported that the short term rental bylaw may be on the March 24 
meeting agenda. 
11. DELEGATIONS - None 
12. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
 It was reported that a letter was received which stated that it is deceptive to hold LTC 
meetings by Zoom.  In response, it was commented that this examples the way not to 
communicate to the LTC and that Zoom meetings are convenient for residents and ensures 
attendance during bad weather; 
 It was reported that the LTC received correspondence from David Howe, CRD Director for 
Southern Gulf Islands, concerning his feelings on a decision made by the LTC.   
 Trustee McConchie requested an update to the October correspondence sent to the CRD 
regarding Magic Lake; and 
 Discussion arose regarding collaboration with the CRD, updating and expanding the protocol 
agreement; and information about the SGI Forum. 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 NP-TUP-2021.10 (White) - Staff Report  
 Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the report and provided information 
which included that the draft TUP maximum is 60 days from May 1
st
 to 
September 30th, that there is one letter of support and that the recommendation is 
for three years; 

 
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 The applicant (Jaime), a fulltime resident, stated that the reason for the 60-day 
request is to allow utilization during the summer school break and that fire safety 
measures in place are:  no smoking signs, no yard debris, no fire pit and no candles; 
and 
 The applicant was commended for her public communication materials and 
Planner Stockdill agreed they could be used as resource material.   
   NP-2022-022 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Temporary Use Permit application NP-TUP-2021.10 (White).   
 CARRIED 
 
13.2 NP-DP-2021.9 (Ooms) - Staff Report  
 Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the land alteration permit for the 
installation of a new septic system in an existing septic field within the DPA.  The 
applicant submitted a geotechnical report; 
 Applicant Peter Ooms stated that the site as an open field requiring minimal ground 
disturbance and that he is also looking to put a solar array on the site with 
consultation from a geotechnical engineer.  He reported that a septic engineer said 
that the current field is ideal for a gravity system;  
 Planner Stockdill stated that if the solar array is constructed within the DPA, 
potentially, a new DP may be required; and   
 Aspects of the geotechnical report were discussed and trustees discussed the need 
to consider the effects of climate change as it relates to future development. 
 
   NP-2022-023 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Permit NP-DP-2021.9 (Ooms).    
 CARRIED 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 LUB Review Project – Staff Report  
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of discussion topics which were:  maximum floor 
area/lot coverage, C2 zoning, in-stream dock applications with the Province and timeline 
for the project.   
Discussion occurred on the following topics:  Retaining lot coverage of LUB; increasing 
maximum floor area of cottages; and adding impermeable material to LUB. 
Discussed lot coverage and floor area, including: 
 Planner Stockdill confirmed that secondary suites and attached garages are 
included in the maximum floor area calculation;  

 
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 Secondary suites and cottages as a response to the residential housing shortage; 
 A Development Variance Permit application process option to allow a greater than 
the default of allowable square footage;  
 Housing density, disbursement and lower square footage as a response to housing 
affordability and availability; 
 Consideration for environmental impacts; 
 Chair Patrick suggested the 2021 BC Housing document on accessory dwelling units 
as an available resource;   
 Planner Chadwick reported that Mayne Island’s Flexible Housing Project is looking at 
maximum floor area being divided between buildings and that information and a 
recent report is available on the website;   
 Trustees discussed increasing cottage size as well as the allowable number of 
separate accommodations based on lot size and the restriction of stratas;   
 Planner Stockdill confirmed that secondary suites cannot legally be subdivided for 
separate ownership and that North Pender LUB does not permit a cottage on 
properties less than 1.2 ha;   
 Planner Stockdill provided options and also mentioned the possibility of creating a 
non-conforming situation should a secondary suite be removed; and 
 Discussion will be put on hold until March 12
th
 or March 24
th
.   
Discussed water concerns, including: 
 William Shulba, Islands Trust Senior Freshwater Specialist,  provided input on an 
evidence-based process where there is likely to be water stress and vulnerability; 
 Planner Chadwick reported that the Mayne Island Housing Project is looking at the 
implications of density on groundwater;   
 Planner Chadwick reported that the Flexible Housing Project excluded water service 
areas and that a report to identify criteria will be available;  
 Planner Stockdill will try to have a brief report ready for March 12
th
 Community 
Information Meeting;   
 Trustees determined that community members can provide their feedback at the 
March 12
th
 Community Information meeting;   
 Trustees confirmed that the size of cottages could be increased; and 
 Planner Stockdill will edit the impermeable surfaces definitions and return for 
decision.   
Discussed commercial tourist accommodation (C2 Zoning):  
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the status of the two McKinnon Road 
properties and stated she had written to property owners for their build out plans and 
that she could prepare a draft section 219 covenant in two weeks and invite the 
property owners to the March 12
th
 Community Information Meeting.   
 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the Driftwood Centre property which included 
that the LTC had decided to postpone the decision on rental housing zoning until they 
met with the property manager and report back.  LTC were asked to decide on how to 
proceed.   

 
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McKinnon Road properties were discussed, including:   
 
 Plans were not provided; 
 Licensing applications are necessary for current commercial groundwater use and 
expanded usage requires authorization within the Water Sustainability Act; 
 The property owners can attend the March 12
th
 Community Information Meeting to 
discuss zoning;   
 It should be understood and agreed that a water management plan is in place 
before a zoning decision and within the timeline of the LUB project; and   
 Examples of a water management plan will be shared with the LTC and the 
applicant.   
 
The Driftwood property was discussed, including: 
 
 The property owner does not wish to change C2 zoning and is only looking to build a 
campground at this time;   
 Property Manager (Dorothy) commented that rental housing on Driftwood property 
may be for future discussions; 
 Dorothy stated that any developments on the property would benefit the 
community and community input would be sought; 
 Planner Stockdill stated that LTC direction is required if property is not to be 
rezoned and that 27 commercial units are permitted within the present zoning;   
 Planner Stockdill stated she will report back with options based on campground 
regulations; and  
 Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the concerns and reasons for the review 
of commercial accommodation with C2 zoning and its cumulative impacts on Pender 
Island.   
 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the issues regarding instream dock 
applications with the Province. 
 
NP-2022-24 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Local Trust Committee request staff to retain the Water 1 
zoning for the 11 instream private moorage applications with the Province.    
 
 CARRIED 
 
14.2 Groundwater Sustainability Implementation Project – Staff Report 
Planner Chadwick provided an overview of the staff report and discussion occurred, 
including:   

 
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 William Shulba reported on the mapping for Critical Aquifer Recharge Areas  that 
could inform a DPA; 
 Planner Chadwick reported that the intention is to move this forward to identify 
potential boundaries of a Critical Aquifer Recharge DPA.  She stated that coastal 
Douglas-fir integration mapping would require another methodology  therefore 
combining the two projects would be more time consuming; and 
 Chair Patrick commented on the value of partnering with the two major water 
districts and the importance of managing fire risk.   
 
NP-2022-25 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a 
draft bylaw to amend the “North Pender Island Official Community Plan Bylaw 
No. 171, 2007” to include Critical Aquifer Recharge Development Permit Area 
guidelines, map updates and minor updates to relevant sections as identified in 
the February 24, 2022 staff report.   
 CARRIED 
 
NP-2022-26 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a 
draft bylaw to amend the Land Use Bylaw to include updates to definitions, 
addition of cistern requirements for all new builds and updates to subdivision 
regulations related to potable water.    
 CARRIED 
 
NP-2022-27 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to identify 
options for changes to zoning regulations informed by GW Solutions (2021) 
groundwater availability assessment data.    
 CARRIED 
Planner Chadwick stated that staff will report backwith groundwater amendments that 
can be incorporated into the Land Use Bylaw Project. 
 
NP-2022-28 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee endorse the revised Project 
Charter for the Groundwater Sustainability Implementation Project.    
 CARRIED 
  

 
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15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Report (attached) 
15.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated Feb 2022 
Planner Stockdill reported that the LUB is on the agenda for the March 24 
Regular LTC meeting 
15.1.2 Projects List Report Dated Feb 2022 
15.2 Applications Report Dated Feb 2022 
15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Dec 2021  
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report - None 
16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 Governance Study by the Magic Lake Property Owners’ Society 
Discussed the request for response to the Province’s and CRD’s request for an opinion.  
NP-2022-29 
  It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee write to the Minister of Municipal 
Affairs of the Province of British Columbia to request them to explain the process of the 
Governance Study by the Magic Lake Property Owners Society.    
           CARRIED 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Meetings Scheduled  
The next regular meeting is scheduled for March 24, 2022, at the Anglican Church Hall 
Pender Island. 
An electronic Community Information Meeting is scheduled for March 12, 2022. 
18. TOWN HALL  
Bob Coulson, on behalf of Magic Lake Property Owners Assoc., stated that their concerns relate 
to property tax increases and the lack of speed limit signs in school zones.  He stated that they 
would like a consultant to communicate with the community.   
Anne questioned what type of lot under the minor amendment of the LUB relates to the 
allowance of a 100 sq. ft. building and whether professional reports are required for the 
rezoning in the industrial portion of the LUB Review.  Planner Stockdill provided her the 
information including that maps are available on the project website.   

 
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Kathi D stated she would appreciate having Zoom meetings continue as it allows attendance 
wherever she is and for as long as she wishes.  Chair Patrick responded that the intent is to live-
stream and make a recording available. 
Michael Sketch thanked the LTC and staff for the groundwater mapping project.  He stated that, 
if there is a lag to rewriting the Trust Policy Statement, trustees should lead to move the project 
forward.  He also stated that it needs a firm resolve on March 8
th
, 9
th
 or 10
th
.   
Chair Patrick invited the public to the March 12
th
 virtual meeting. 
 
19. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
19.1 Motion to Close Meeting 
NP-2022-30 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, Part 
4, Division 3 s. 90(1) (a)(d) for the purpose of considering: 
 Adoption of In-Camera Meeting Minutes Dated January 27, 2022 
 Appointment of APC Members 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.   
 CARRIED 
19.2 Recall to Order 
19.3 Rise and Report 
20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:48. 
 
 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lauren Edwards, Recorder