Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 22, 2022

[0:00:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There's not many

[0:00:29] Chair Fast: chairs, so I'm going to take the other one back.

[0:00:32] Chair Fast: That would be, I don't know.

[0:00:33] Voice 9: Let's see if it's better.

[0:00:34] Voice 8: Yeah, let's see if it's better first.

[0:01:40] I'm going

[0:03:25] Chair Fast: to go in because we've got a big agenda today.

[0:03:34] Chair Fast: So thanks everybody for joining us in what, according to my notes, is the first in-person

[0:03:39] Chair Fast: meeting on denman of the local trust committee since december 7th 2019.

[0:03:46] Voice 8: all

[0:03:46] Chair Fast: that time we've been on zoom so it's great to see people in person um i just want to

[0:03:53] Chair Fast: at the beginning of the meeting here acknowledge with respect that this meeting is being held on

[0:03:57] Chair Fast: the unceded territory of the co-ops first nation and uh some of us are here from other parts of

[0:04:03] Chair Fast: the Salish Sea. I'm here from Aukitsa, Aukitsa in the territory of the Squamish nation.

[0:04:09] Chair Fast: I'm the off-island chair of the local trust committee and I'd just like to

[0:04:14] Chair Fast: introduce your local trustees. They've got the name tags. This is Laura Roschenkin

[0:04:18] Chair Fast: and Trustee David Critchley and I'm vice chair Sue Ellenfast so I'm also a vice chair of the

[0:04:25] Chair Fast: the trust council of 26 trustees and I wanted to let you know that the meeting is being

[0:04:34] Chair Fast: recorded that's what this gadget is in the middle it's a camera so this is just so the

[0:04:39] Chair Fast: three of us are the only ones that are being recorded plus any sounds that people make

[0:04:44] Chair Fast: and it will be posted on the line as a recording so anybody can watch it later if they weren't

[0:04:49] Chair Fast: able to come today or if you want to refer to it later but I want to let everybody know

[0:04:53] Chair Fast: in case some people don't want to be recorded that it'll catch your voice so just so you know

[0:05:00] Chair Fast: i want to uh uh introduce the staff also that are with us today this is vicki bachman she's

[0:05:08] Chair Fast: our professional minute taker and uh this is planner sonja zupanets who some of you will

[0:05:14] Chair Fast: know and we'll um also have another planner probably zooming in or phoning in and that's

[0:05:21] Chair Fast: uh theresa mahiqua and uh so if we get to that part of the agenda before 12 45. so just to uh

[0:05:29] Chair Fast: introduce the program here this is um uh starting out 10 30 we'll be going until a lunch break

[0:05:35] Chair Fast: scheduled for 1 30. it can change a little bit and we'll see what um things get added to the agenda

[0:05:42] Chair Fast: here but then we need to be done by uh 3 30. um that's what our room booking and fairies and all

[0:05:49] Chair Fast: that means that we need to move on and uh i want to invite everybody to help me uh run a safe and

[0:05:58] Chair Fast: inclusive meeting today so that all voices are welcome masks are welcome too i'm wearing an n95

[0:06:06] Chair Fast: in case people are wondering what this is you get them at

[0:06:09] Chair Fast: london drugs i have a carbon dioxide

[0:06:12] Chair Fast: monitor here so if i don't know how people feel there might be some people here who are concerned

[0:06:17] Chair Fast: about the pandemic that we're in. And if this gets to 1500, I'm going to open all the doors and windows and if it gets higher, we might need to take a break. It started out at about 600 just so you know, it looks like it'll probably be okay. So this is just for people's health information, and for my information, trying to run a safe meeting.

[0:06:42] Chair Fast: you. So this is a participatory democracy setting. These are your elected

[0:06:50] Chair Fast: representatives, these are the professional staff, and you are the

[0:06:55] Chair Fast: public who know more about the island and we welcome your participation. This

[0:07:00] Chair Fast: is a participatory democracy that I'm feeling especially sympathetic to these

[0:07:07] Chair Fast: these days I'm wearing my scarf that I ordered on Etsy from the Ukraine and the

[0:07:13] Chair Fast: shop owner has written on a shop post temporarily but we're going to win

[0:07:18] Chair Fast: so I

[0:07:19] Chair Fast: just want to let you know both my grandparents come from the Ukraine to

[0:07:23] Chair Fast: Canada back in the 1920s and I'm feeling hopeful about participatory democracy in

[0:07:30] Chair Fast: Canada that so many Canadians have fought for in wars overseas and that

[0:07:36] Chair Fast: that we're working with today in this meeting and in the laws that the Island Trust works

[0:07:45] Chair Fast: under which is the Local Government Act and the Community Charter which are the laws of

[0:07:49] Chair Fast: the province and of course the Island Trust Act which mandates us to preserve and protect

[0:07:55] Chair Fast: the special amenities of the Island Trust area.

[0:08:00] Chair Fast: Now I think I've covered most of that except to say besides being a safe and welcome place

[0:08:06] Chair Fast: where all voices are welcome it's also a place of employment for staff so one of

[0:08:11] Chair Fast: the laws of British Columbia is that you have a safe workplace for staff and that

[0:08:16] Chair Fast: means some level of meeting decorum and people being respectful to each other in

[0:08:21] Chair Fast: the meeting and not taking it out on staff I'm hoping that as passionate as

[0:08:28] we all are about our island homes and about what we care about our islands

[0:08:32] this is

[0:08:33] Chair Fast: wonderful I'm hoping we can be hard on the issues and easy on each

[0:08:38] Chair Fast: other today and I appreciate you helping helping us all with this so with that

[0:08:44] Chair Fast: I'm going to call the meeting to order and yeah we might change some things on

[0:08:51] Chair Fast: the agenda I've got the approval of the agenda as a number two on these agenda

[0:08:55] Chair Fast: sheets their cover sheets are at the back there the rest of the agenda which

[0:08:59] Chair Fast: is a big one is online if you would like to be following along okay and there's one big fat copy

[0:09:08] Chair Fast: of the whole agenda back there so if anybody needs to look it up you could pass it around and share

[0:09:16] Chair Fast: um proof of the agenda trustees uh what do you think about the agenda is anything to add

[0:09:22] Chair Fast: trustee critchley thank

[0:09:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): you yes i have an additional item to be added uh i would

[0:09:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): entitled Orphan Crown Lands, and it arises out of a piece of correspondence that we've received

[0:09:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): in subsequent to the package being prepared. It's a letter from the Denman Conservancy Association.

[0:09:43] Chair Fast: Okay, let's put that down as 11.5 then, under correspondence, since you're referring specifically

[0:09:47] Chair Fast: to the letter about crown land parcels, orphan crown land parcels, from the Denman Conservancy

[0:09:59] Chair Fast: the association okay thank you we'll have that 11.5

[0:10:03] Chair Fast: justine um

[0:10:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah just a couple things um i don't want to change it for today

[0:10:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because we advertise this but i'm thinking maybe in the future we should

[0:10:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): put the reports after town hall and delegations because people come here

[0:10:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you know they come they maybe leave their work or they park their kids

[0:10:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): somewhere and they don't necessarily want to hear

[0:10:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): our reports so i think that would be just a more

[0:10:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): more fair way so that's just a note but I don't want to change it because there

[0:10:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): could be people saying oh 10-15 that's when that happens. Secondly also just this

[0:10:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): challenge as you talk about the participatory democracy that this is our

[0:10:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): business meeting and we're participatory democracy and this is you know partly

[0:10:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for people here the primary reason we're here today is so we can get our

[0:10:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): decision-making done and there's people waiting on that and important issues

[0:10:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): waiting on that so we need to balance it and I appreciate that we always do our

[0:11:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): best with that but I would like just that we have a delegation that's got a

[0:11:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): lot of research behind it so I see we've given 15 minutes which is you know longer

[0:11:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): than we usually do but just I think that a bit of a heads up if it seems like

[0:11:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): more time is needed for a town hall or I'd like to give some feedback or maybe

[0:11:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): my colleagues have a little flexibility I hear you yeah I

[0:11:29] Chair Fast: also want to get to

[0:11:30] Chair Fast: business though well we

[0:11:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have a lot of business

[0:11:32] Chair Fast: because we have been

[0:11:34] Chair Fast: continuing along and there's a lot on our agenda today including a couple of

[0:11:40] Chair Fast: affordable housing projects so I'm with that then just letting people know town

[0:11:49] Chair Fast: town hall is when you can speak. We've got 10 minutes set aside for that, so approximately

[0:11:55] Chair Fast: one or two minutes each is what's usually done, and then 15 minutes for the delegation,

[0:12:00] Chair Fast: which is re-end this over housing as a human right. And we're then going to approve the

[0:12:07] Chair Fast: agenda. Can I have a motion? I move that we approve the agenda as amended. Thank you.

[0:12:13] Chair Fast: Seconders? I approve. Thank you. All in favour? Aye. Thank you. I'm doing this partly for

[0:12:18] Chair Fast: for the camera and the recording in case there's a need

[0:12:23] Chair Fast: to look at it later so everybody on this line

[0:12:25] Chair Fast: can understand that that was three hands up,

[0:12:27] Chair Fast: that passes, thank you.

[0:12:29] Chair Fast: Okay, and rise and report.

[0:12:32] Chair Fast: We held an in-camera meeting on November the 2nd

[0:12:35] Chair Fast: and we adopted minutes from the earlier meeting.

[0:12:41] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[0:12:42] Chair Fast: Okay, reports, trusting reports, go ahead.

[0:12:46] Chair Fast: This is partly just so people in the community

[0:12:48] Chair Fast: know what we've been up to and we can keep it brief if we'd like to.

[0:12:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Who would like to start? Trustee Koscielka?

[0:12:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sure. Well, the main thing is attending Trust Council, which was a couple of weeks ago. It was a pretty intense three days and

[0:13:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah, there's lots of reporting on them. I don't need to say more. Otherwise, I've been doing things like attending the Regional Planning Committee,

[0:13:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): which is still working on getting the review of planning services and how we structure that to make it more efficient and be able to get our OCPs renewed.

[0:13:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Really learning how complex that is given 20 different OCPs and 13 local trust committees and the complexity of creating actual institutional structural change.

[0:13:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But it is happening and that's a good group.

[0:13:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've been meeting fairly regularly with an informal network called DirtCon, just a network of community groups that meets primarily to talk about responding to COVID, but we talk about other things.

[0:13:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've started doing every two weeks tea with your trustee, which I hope everyone knows about.

[0:13:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I set up my guest house. I'm going to try and get to the Abraxas Cafe sometime to switch it up, and that's a time that anyone can talk to me.

[0:14:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm not able to get it set up on a regular schedule because it's Saturdays and life is not regular,

[0:14:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but it will be always on the back page of Flagstone, come by, talk to me.

[0:14:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And that's going really well, I have lots of people, questions, ideas, requests, lobbying, all of it.

[0:14:27] Also I took part in

[0:14:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the ILS 2050 info tent outside, lots of people came, lots of spirited discussion, as you say hard on issues, but no one was hard on people, that was really nice, the staff were great, lots of information, and I've been doing some of the online stuff around that.

[0:14:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and also this is I mean this might come up later but at the last meeting

[0:14:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): before I had a task to take care of a letter from the LTC to the CVRD I did

[0:15:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not write that because our wonderful staff member Will came up with

[0:15:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well you wrote a letter a couple years ago so I just passed that letter on again

[0:15:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): simply to our regional director and I've had quite a bit of conversation with him

[0:15:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): around this it's around um getting the cbrd uh to or them deciding to do uh feasibility studying to

[0:15:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): me housing service yes um and that is actually going forward uh and they're going to be in touch

[0:15:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): with us about working with us on that so there wasn't a need for a new letter but there it did

[0:15:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): prompt me to communicate thank you and that's that very good thank

[0:15:43] Chair Fast: you uh trustee critchley

[0:15:44] Chair Fast: Yes,

[0:15:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): thank you. So, first of all, I'll report that I am one of the delegates to the Ferry Advisory Committee,

[0:15:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): which is an organization that's actually structured through BC Ferries, and BC Ferries approves the appointments to that.

[0:16:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, we generally meet a couple of times a year. We haven't had a meeting for quite some time.

[0:16:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): There are the major problems that are being looked at, of course, are the extremely long

[0:16:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): delays that are occurring at Buckley Bay in the summertime and also at Gravely Bay for

[0:16:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): the Hornby Ferry.

[0:16:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): The Hornby Ferry situation has been made worse because they have a 40-year-old ferry, which

[0:16:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): which is undersized for the route, and it is now even more undersized because of apparently some listing of the vessel

[0:16:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): that's being resurveyed and the capacity is being reduced by 10% from what it was.

[0:16:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): So this means that on some sailings they only have maybe a gravel truck, because it's weight related.

[0:16:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): You take a gravel truck with a pup and maybe a couple of cars and that's it.

[0:16:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): So it's obviously an unacceptable situation. BC Fair's presentation said that the earliest thing that they were proposing to do would be in 2026, which of course was completely unacceptable.

[0:17:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): And really the solutions to the situation wouldn't be planned until 2035.

[0:17:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): In

[0:17:23] Voice 8: addition,

[0:17:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): they were supposed to have in attendance a senior BC Ferries person specifically

[0:17:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): to deal with this and with the budgeting aspects.

[0:17:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): That person did not appear, was apparently involved in an emergency meeting.

[0:17:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): So we were, needless to say, quite upset about that.

[0:17:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): What resulted was that we agreed to meet offline as it were, well actually BC

[0:17:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): Ferries invited us to do so and we continued our meeting after BC Ferries

[0:17:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): left the virtual meeting. So we resolved to have further meetings offline in the

[0:18:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): absence of BC Ferries and because we're doing things basically outside the ferry

[0:18:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): advisory commission committees remit, we styled ourselves as a different group and

[0:18:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): called ourselves the Fair Users Committee of Hornby and Denman. Now we

[0:18:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): composed a letter to our MLA seeking a meeting with the minister involved. What

[0:18:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): happened was that our MLA would have been the minister, but she got a transfer

[0:18:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): right about that time. So long story short we did succeed in getting a

[0:18:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): meeting with Josie Osborne. She gave us an hour of her time. It was an electronic

[0:18:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): meeting and she had already spoken with Rob Fleming, the minister involved, on a

[0:18:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): very casual and formal basis. We're still waiting to get a formal response back to

[0:19:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): our concerns. We would like to have a meeting with that minister and it

[0:19:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): continues so that's the current state of play on that. March 8th to 10th I was an

[0:19:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): attendance at Trust Council in Nanaimo as was mentioned. Quite an important meeting

[0:19:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): because we dealt with the Governance Review Project, a report that we

[0:19:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): received from consultants. You can find that within the agenda package for that

[0:19:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): meeting that would be on our website if you're interested.

[0:19:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): We had a very good discussion with the consultants on that topic.

[0:19:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): We also had budget which was a very extended,

[0:19:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): abnormally extended session on our budget and

[0:19:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): pared it down I think as much as could reasonably be expected.

[0:20:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes March 11th I had a meeting with the Department of Fisheries and

[0:20:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): Oceans an electronic meeting that was set up for local government people

[0:20:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): generally. There were about 33 attendees on that call, many mayors and elected

[0:20:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): officials of municipalities and regional districts in areas which are affected by

[0:20:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): DFO regulations pertaining to aquaculture and this is not just shellfish

[0:20:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): aquaculture but also fin fish. I found it to be a very useful meeting, probably one of the most

[0:20:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): useful that I've attended involving DFO bringing us up to date on what they are doing, what they

[0:20:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): are, what they have done and what they are planning to do. They have much change in the wind

[0:20:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): with regard to terms and conditions for shellfish aquaculture which is of course concerned here

[0:21:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): and there are things happening. So if anybody's interested in that, I can send you more information on it.

[0:21:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): I just mentioned March 18th, we had the Trust Policy Statement Review, I guess, traveling road show, we might call it,

[0:21:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): where we had a pop-up canopy set in front of the hardware store, and so I attended that.

[0:21:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): according to staff, I think they believe there was around 50-55 people attended

[0:21:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): on that Friday, Friday morning and afternoon. Then on the Saturday evening I

[0:21:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): attended the public engagement held at the community hall. I think there was a

[0:21:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): rather disappointing turnout to that, probably on the order of I'm guessing

[0:21:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): 15 to 20 people. Strangely enough, talking to staff who had attended, they'd done the

[0:22:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): same thing on Hornby, only in reverse. Their pop-up attracted very few people,

[0:22:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): but their community hall meeting had a lot. So anyway, that continues and that's

[0:22:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): that's my report, thank you. Okay,

[0:22:19] Chair Fast: thank you trustees. I'll keep my

[0:22:21] Chair Fast: My Chair's report brief, just Trust Council has been mentioned

[0:22:27] Chair Fast: where we passed a budget that was reduced

[0:22:30] Chair Fast: from what it was estimated to going to be,

[0:22:33] Chair Fast: and your trustees can fill you in on the details for that,

[0:22:38] Chair Fast: but it was reduced.

[0:22:40] Chair Fast: We also heard from the governance report

[0:22:43] Chair Fast: as Trustee Critchley has mentioned,

[0:22:46] Chair Fast: and more from the consultants that we brought in

[0:22:48] Chair Fast: help with the trust policy statement amendment project which

[0:22:51] Chair Fast: is what the pop-up was about

[0:22:53] Chair Fast: and uh anyway next trust council is in june i believe um i just trust conservancy meant last

[0:23:01] Chair Fast: week this is the other arm of the islands trust that protects significant properties through

[0:23:08] Chair Fast: either as nature reserves or as conservation covenants and they also do stewardship education

[0:23:13] Chair Fast: and have a conservation plan for the whole land trust area all those things

[0:23:20] Chair Fast: I'm the vice chair of that committee which also has a few appointed people

[0:23:25] Chair Fast: from that the province appoints and we've got a report later in the agenda

[0:23:30] Chair Fast: but I just wanted to let you know that I participated in that meeting another

[0:23:36] Chair Fast: thing that came out of that meeting was a species at risk workshop which was

[0:23:40] Chair Fast: held as a kind of a sharing and networking opportunity of good practice

[0:23:47] Chair Fast: among many different conservancies in British Columbia. So that was fascinating

[0:23:52] Chair Fast: and I learned things about butterflies and shark-tailed snakes and things that

[0:23:59] Chair Fast: I was not aware of and it was fascinating. Catching up with that world

[0:24:05] Chair Fast: as somebody who started in wildlife biology long ago okay um lost my spot here uh i've got

[0:24:14] Chair Fast: executive committee tomorrow so as a vice chair i sit with the other vice chairs there's uh three of

[0:24:21] Chair Fast: them uh including me and then the chair of the analyst trust peter luckham and together we make

[0:24:26] Chair Fast: up the analyst trust executive committee so that's where uh significant uh land use decisions that

[0:24:33] Chair Fast: are made by this committee go to that committee to be sent on to the minister

[0:24:37] Chair Fast: if executive committee doesn't have questions about them and and they run

[0:24:42] Chair Fast: this sort of day-to-day business of the trust and I've got a Bowen on municipal

[0:24:49] Chair Fast: council meeting next week but we're still part of the islands trust and

[0:24:53] Chair Fast: Gambier keeps next week local trust committee that I also chair and that's

[0:24:59] Chair Fast: that so i think uh uh daniel arbour electric director's report uh sorry electoral director's

[0:25:04] Chair Fast: report uh he might be electric too um uh he's not able to join us today so uh however um we've got

[0:25:13] Chair Fast: a little bit of news about the housing service study uh that related to the letter and sonia

[0:25:19] Chair Fast: maybe you'll cover that in one of your reports or do you

[0:25:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): have anything to report no no other than

[0:25:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): the funding for the feasibility which she received of course last month

[0:25:31] Chair Fast: yes so

[0:25:32] Chair Fast: that's good so that's the funding for a housing service study was was passed by

[0:25:39] Chair Fast: the Comox Regional District Board and so we'll see what happens from this point

[0:25:45] Chair Fast: that was just last month okay now we're getting into the town hall session so

[0:25:50] Chair Fast: So this is where everybody's got a chance to share your ideas and your concerns and your suggestions with the local trust committee.

[0:26:02] Chair Fast: And can you give me a show of hands who'd like to speak?

[0:26:05] Chair Fast: We've got ten minutes.

[0:26:07] Chair Fast: One, two, three, four, five.

[0:26:08] Chair Fast: Okay, so six.

[0:26:09] Chair Fast: Let's do, let's give everybody two minutes, okay?

[0:26:13] Chair Fast: And if you'd like to come up and join us up here, I want to make sure that your voice is captured on the table and at the whole table.

[0:26:19] Chair Fast: So who'd like to go? Can I come first? And say your name and your connection to the island.

[0:26:24] Chair Fast: Just a piece of oil. And if you could sit at the little table.

[0:26:29] Voice 15: I'd rather stand here because I don't want my back to open.

[0:26:32] Voice 15: Fair enough. Thank you.

[0:26:35] Voice 15: First of all, I'd like to note that 25 minutes has been allocated for this delegation and so that should start now.

[0:26:43] Voice 15: 25 minutes, so it should finish just before 25 past, according to your agenda.

[0:26:53] Voice 15: My name is Mary Wood, and I am connected with Denman Island because I live here.

[0:26:59] Voice 15: I've lived here for several years, and I'm a property owner.

[0:27:03] Voice 15: And what I would like to say is, regarding housing,

[0:27:08] Voice 15: As long as Islands Trust continues to have and enforce by-law restrictions preventing housing solutions, Islands Trust is not supporting housing solutions.

[0:27:20] Voice 15: As long as Islands Trust continues to approve, with little or no restriction, large new homes that are heavy on resource use, with multiple outbuildings using resources, ground paving, in-ground pools, etc.

[0:27:35] Voice 15: Iowa's Trust is not doing what they should be doing to preserve and protect, and I would

[0:27:40] Voice 15: like to say also that preserve and protect, that is heard a lot, but the rest of the sentence

[0:27:46] Voice 15: is not heard where it says for the benefit of the residents, the people who live here

[0:27:52] Voice 15: and the people of British Columbia, that needs to be remembered.

[0:27:56] Voice 15: Five thousand people housed in small homes with minimal environmental impact is better

[0:28:03] Voice 15: for our environment than 1,000 people housed in larger, resource-heavy housing.

[0:28:12] Voice 15: Can

[0:28:13] Chair Fast: we, just because we might have some people speaking who might not like their views,

[0:28:19] Chair Fast: can we just keep quiet while people speak? And it also lets their voices be heard.

[0:28:24] Chair Fast: I appreciate

[0:28:25] Chair Fast: the feedback that

[0:28:27] Voice 15: they're giving me, recognizing that they're hearing me.

[0:28:32] Voice 15: Many housing insecure people are not here because they have previously many times had their voices ignored or silenced.

[0:28:41] Voice 15: And looking at this group I can see a number of people not here who are currently in very insecure housing.

[0:28:50] Voice 15: Businesses are reducing hours for lack of staff because of lack of housing.

[0:28:57] Voice 15: Many people have had to move Denman Island in the last recent while because of lack of housing.

[0:29:04] Voice 15: Those are the people who can't afford to buy. Who can afford to buy right now?

[0:29:10] Voice 15: The people who can't afford rent because first of all, there is no place to rent.

[0:29:15] Voice 15: Secondly, anything that is available to rent is far too high for people to afford.

[0:29:21] Voice 15: And thirdly, bylaw is preventing homeowners, landowners, from providing space and small accommodation for people who need housing.

[0:29:35] Voice 10: Here, here, here.

[0:29:36] Voice 15: here. So

[0:29:37] Voice 15: Islands Trust can make a difference with this by, first of all, removing housing

[0:29:45] Voice 15: restrictions that prevent small housing solutions for people. Removing these from the bylaws.

[0:29:54] Voice 15: That's the first step that I would like to request that bylaw

[0:30:00] Voice 15: housing restrictions we reviewed and homeowners who would like to give space

[0:30:08] Voice 15: for housing to people who need housing they're permitted to do so thank you

[0:30:14] Voice 15: thank you very much Mary I

[0:30:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): understand everyone's enthusiasm but someone who

[0:30:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): used to be there and speak to the local trust committee what happens is people

[0:30:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): who have views that aren't supported as much by the people in the room and they

[0:30:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): hear the clapping it's intimidating for them and we do need to hear everyone and

[0:30:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the people who you don't agree with you

[0:30:42] Voice 1: also we know

[0:30:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this we need to hear them

[0:30:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we need to take it into account we need to let everyone speak and just having

[0:30:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): sat and that and having talked to many people who say I couldn't speak because

[0:30:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I figured I'd be booed it's the urge to applaud is natural but I'm going to ask

[0:31:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): ask people to express their support, you can write emails, you can let speakers know.

[0:31:05] Voice 10: Are you taking up time in the video?

[0:31:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I know, but this is actually...

[0:31:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Attention!

[0:31:13] Chair Fast: Excuse me, I'm the chair, what I'd like to do is invite everybody to please not intimidate anybody.

[0:31:21] Chair Fast: We're not trying to intimidate anybody.

[0:31:22] Voice 4: And so,

[0:31:23] Chair Fast: I would like to ask people to be quiet, and who's the next person who would like to come and speak?

[0:31:41] Voice 1: I think to do with the housing situation, a step in the right direction is stop enforcing.

[0:31:52] Voice 1: That's just one step.

[0:31:54] Voice 1: The second step is to give, as Mary pointed out, give homeowners the right to provide

[0:31:59] Voice 1: provide space, whether it's a small home, a trailer, and that's permanent, not the we'll

[0:32:08] Voice 1: review it in two years. That's stressful, it's anxiety inducing, and that's not homeownership.

[0:32:14] Voice 1: It's not creating a healthy environment for anybody. The second thing is we're losing

[0:32:20] Voice 1: supply staff, whether it's on ferries, and I'm sure you've seen it on the Gulf Islands,

[0:32:25] Voice 1: you can't attract anybody to work on the ferries. We're already on Denman going through that,

[0:32:30] Voice 1: We've had two people come off island and they're already saying, there's nowhere to live here, and they're already in the middle of moving.

[0:32:37] Voice 1: Nobody is applying to jobs here because they can't afford something.

[0:32:42] Voice 1: Gabriel has gotten rid of the opportunity for people to have trailers. There's been a mass exit of ferry employees.

[0:32:48] Voice 1: We're going to the same path. If we provide and you allow landowners to provide an opportunity for people living in trailers, tiny homes, whatever it is,

[0:33:01] Voice 1: That's what we need to be doing. And that needs to be legislated so it's an asset and not we review it every year.

[0:33:08] Voice 1: That's very stressful. It causes too much anxiety. And we need to provide this. And it's good for all of us.

[0:33:15] Voice 1: We moved here because we wanted a diverse population. We wanted to raise our children around a diverse population.

[0:33:20] Voice 1: If I wanted one type of population, I would move to Crown Isle. I don't want that. I want diversity.

[0:33:28] Voice 1: diversity. That means all levels of income, the amount that they contribute, all the population.

[0:33:34] It shouldn't just be,

[0:33:35] Voice 1: you've got money, you're allowed to live here. And that's where we're

[0:33:39] Voice 1: going. That's a concern for us.

[0:33:41] Chair Fast: Thank you very much, Phil.

[0:33:43] Chair Fast: And

[0:33:50] Voice 16: now for something entirely different. I'm talking about the farm regulation questionnaire,

[0:34:00] Voice 16: and I have an article in the Flagstones coming out in April that deals with issues with the

[0:34:07] Voice 16: and content. Today I mostly want to talk about some of the things that are missing. The premise

[0:34:16] Voice 16: of the regulations is agri-food. Agri-food is the business of producing food agriculturally.

[0:34:26] Voice 16: If you look at definitions of agriculture, they don't include land size, output, income,

[0:34:33] Voice 16: become merchandising.

[0:34:34] Voice 16: So when you're dealing, when you're talking about regulating,

[0:34:38] Voice 16: you're basically talking about a commercialized portion.

[0:34:41] Voice 16: And it's not a market, but it's not agriculture.

[0:34:45] Voice 16: So that's a dropping off the edge, actually.

[0:34:51] Voice 16: There's nothing in this document, which

[0:34:55] Voice 16: has become the Bible, 2012, which I've

[0:34:59] Voice 16: been trying to fight things ever since,

[0:35:01] Voice 16: because it's the Agriculture Ministry Bible,

[0:35:03] Voice 16: mostly. There's nothing that I've seen about climate change. There is nothing about regenerative

[0:35:11] Voice 16: agriculture which is practiced by most of the farmers on this community that I've seen.

[0:35:17] Voice 16: There is nothing about water conservation in a broad sense to say that water on a whole

[0:35:23] Voice 16: land is a collective good for critters and people and etc. There is nothing about sustainability

[0:35:32] Voice 16: and either refined locally. There's nothing about gardens as agriculture, and we all know that a lot of us live on the neighbors' lovely broccoli, etc.

[0:35:43] Voice 16: There's nothing about subsistence agriculture or barter. So, in an island scale, there are a lot more ingredients to agriculture that is narrowly being focused on in this case.

[0:35:58] Voice 16: And that's all I have to say.

[0:36:00] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[0:36:02] Voice 10: Pardon

[0:36:05] Voice 16: me, what was that document?

[0:36:07] Voice 16: It's the Farm Plan 2012.

[0:36:12] Chair Fast: Yeah. Thank you.

[0:36:13] Chair Fast: Thank you very much. Who's next?

[0:36:15] Chair Fast: With the white hat, please come forward.

[0:36:21] Voice 8: And

[0:36:23] Chair Fast: just say your name and the connections to the island.

[0:36:26] Chair Fast: Sure. I

[0:36:27] Voice 9: have no disrespect,

[0:36:28] Voice 9: but I do want to come back to it.

[0:36:30] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:36:30] Voice 9: Hi. My name is Angela Ferguson,

[0:36:34] Voice 9: and I've only been on dam in a few months.

[0:36:36] Voice 9: So, I'm not a landowner, because frankly I can't afford property prices, yet.

[0:36:42] Voice 9: My son and my husband and myself, we live in a trailer. It's not ideal.

[0:36:49] Voice 9: If we had anything we could rent, we would. There's nothing to rent.

[0:36:54] And I don't have $3 million in my back pocket at the moment to go buy a house.

[0:36:59] Voice 9: I will be a millionaire soon, but it's not this week.

[0:37:02] Voice 9: So very quickly, I agree, I need somewhere to live, please. But very quickly, the reason I'm here is because my understanding is that there is some discussion about banning all cannabis businesses on Denman Island.

[0:37:17] Voice 9: Sorry, I didn't hear all cannabis businesses on Denman. There's been some chat about that. And I'm a weed lady.

[0:37:25] Voice 9: So my husband is licensed by Health Canada. He has a background check that takes two years

[0:37:32] Voice 9: to get. It's the equivalent of the FBI, CIA's thesis. They had to go back 20 years. Gangsters.

[0:37:38] Voice 9: I own a medical marijuana clinic. I have a nurse practitioner that wants to come from

[0:37:42] Voice 9: Ontario to come to Beyond Denman and help open the clinic and treat patients. I have

[0:37:46] Voice 9: a treatment for cancer that I accidentally stumbled upon because my son was diagnosed

[0:37:51] Voice 9: and we treated him and cured him in two months.

[0:37:55] Voice 9: I'll give everyone the recipe for the cancer treatment in the room if they have it.

[0:37:58] Voice 9: It's two ingredients. So it is our intention to build a cannabis

[0:38:02] Voice 9: micro portal on Denman to create about 15 jobs

[0:38:07] Voice 9: to not have a dispenser. There will be no place you can come and buy or leave

[0:38:10] Voice 9: because I already have 25 patients who are waiting for it. Unfortunately it's pre-sold.

[0:38:14] Voice 9: But it will create jobs and our design

[0:38:18] It captures all of the

[0:38:20] Voice 9: water and solar panels, all that good stuff, so it's not like we're consuming a whole bunch of resources.

[0:38:27] Voice 9: I just, before we put all of our money and energy into this, I just hope that the community would not ban all cannabis businesses,

[0:38:35] Voice 9: because quite frankly, weed is in your blood, sorry, but Denman Island is well known for cannabis.

[0:38:39] Voice 9: We're getting used to small weed.

[0:38:42] Voice 9: But we do! And if we ban all cannabis businesses, there's a ripple effect, because then now the medical clinic doesn't come, and the nurse practitioner doesn't come, and the cancer treatments aren't offered.

[0:38:53] Voice 9: And so the project that we will be putting forward, actually next week, we're getting at it, is a micro grow.

[0:39:01] and I hope 15-20 jobs and I hope I

[0:39:07] Voice 9: didn't offend anybody and I hope that you don't ban on cannabis and like I said if you have anyone who's dealing with cancer I'd be happy to give you the right speak as we found it on accident and just please don't ban us before we even get started.

[0:39:21] Chair Fast: Thank you very much Angela.

[0:39:26] Chair Fast: And Angela, I just hope that you'll be participating in the farm plan discussions and questionnaire and stuff.

[0:39:33] Chair Fast: It would be my privilege.

[0:39:34] Chair Fast: That's great. And if you can't find it at the break, we'll make sure that you're in touch with that if you don't have the info.

[0:39:39] Chair Fast: We all just want to make things good.

[0:39:43] Chair Fast: Okay, thank you. And anybody else? Who's next? Yes, come forward.

[0:39:51] Chair Fast: thank you and your name and your connection to the island

[0:39:58] Voice 14: my name is ben hollingsworth and i've

[0:40:00] Voice 14: lived on diamond since 73 at a farm that we've owned since 1970 and i was very interested in

[0:40:10] Voice 14: harleen's observations on the farm plan but i wanted to say that i oppose the trust expanding

[0:40:17] Voice 14: I gave, because we're taxed out, I gave a letter yesterday or Friday to the Islanders.

[0:40:27] Voice 14: In the drop box?

[0:40:28] Voice 14: No.

[0:40:29] Voice 14: Oh, at the booth, right.

[0:40:31] Voice 14: I don't know if

[0:40:31] Chair Fast: it got to you.

[0:40:32] Chair Fast: Well, it doesn't come to this committee yet.

[0:40:35] Chair Fast: They're collecting info from all the Islands.

[0:40:38] Voice 14: Will it come to you, the letters of opposition?

[0:40:42] Chair Fast: It will come to, that's part of Islands 2050, so it will come to us.

[0:40:48] Voice 14: Yes.

[0:40:48] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:40:49] Voice 14: Anyways, thank you.

[0:40:51] Voice 14: Yep.

[0:40:52] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[0:40:53] Voice 14: Very good.

[0:40:56] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[0:40:58] Chair Fast: Come on up and say, state your name and your connection to the island.

[0:41:02] Chair Fast: You?

[0:41:03] Voice 10: I live here.

[0:41:05] Voice 10: Yes, I live here.

[0:41:06] Voice 10: My name's .

[0:41:10] Voice 10: I'm sorry, I'm .

[0:41:12] Voice 10: There's a perfectly good ferry sitting down at the dock here.

[0:41:15] Voice 10: I don't know if you've noticed, David.

[0:41:20] Voice 10: that's something to suggest to them. I'm sure they could fix it up enough to work as well as the one they've got.

[0:41:26] Voice 10: And I'm here to support Riyal and Selva.

[0:41:31] Voice 10: I'm

[0:41:32] Voice 8: here to

[0:41:35] Voice 10: support Riyal and Selva and their affordable housing.

[0:41:38] Voice 10: I do not support the expansion of the Islands Trust at all.

[0:41:43] Voice 10: In fact, I'd actually like to start a referendum to get rid of it, of Denman, because I think

[0:41:47] Voice 10: we can manage much better by ourselves and working with the CBRD.

[0:41:51] Voice 10: So that's where I'm coming from.

[0:41:52] Voice 10: So I'm being completely frank.

[0:41:55] Voice 10: And that's about the sense of it.

[0:41:57] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:41:58] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[0:41:59] Voice 10: Anybody

[0:42:04] Chair Fast: else like to speak?

[0:42:07] Chair Fast: A town hall session?

[0:42:08] Chair Fast: Thanks.

[0:42:10] Chair Fast: Then we can get on to the delegation.

[0:42:12] Chair Fast: Thank you, everybody, for your participation and your ideas and your input.

[0:42:16] Chair Fast: And then

[0:42:17] Chair Fast: we're going to move on to delegations.

[0:42:19] Chair Fast: We've got 15 minutes.

[0:42:20] Chair Fast: And Rhiann, please step up.

[0:42:23] Chair Fast: Thank you. I

[0:42:36] Voice 5: am grateful to live as an uninvited guest here on Denman Island,

[0:42:39] Voice 5: which is part of the territory of the Comox Nation and the Petlatch First Peoples of this land.

[0:42:46] Voice 5: My name is Rhiann Da Silva. I've been living on Denman for 25 years, keeping it weird every day that I can.

[0:42:54] Voice 5: I've raised two wonderful children in my time as a resident on Denman Island.

[0:42:58] Voice 5: I am autistic. I survived with PTSD. I also have a brain injury. I have contributed in many different ways to this community.

[0:43:11] Voice 5: I have danced with some of you on this committee at celebrations at the hall. I used to teach dance.

[0:43:18] Voice 5: I've hosted and participated in many community celebrations and I may have cut your hair at home.

[0:43:25] Voice 5: uh i believe in leaving the world a more loved place than i found it i'm human and i have human

[0:43:32] Voice 5: rights in 2019 the last time the trust met in person that was the same year that the federal

[0:43:43] Voice 5: government of canada declared and the province of bc followed suit declared that i have a human

[0:43:51] Voice 5: right to be safe in my home. They wrote it into their laws and all levels of

[0:43:56] Voice 5: colonial government in Logan are required to get into compliance with the human

[0:44:00] Voice 5: right to housing. Whether the Islands Trust is a local government, a special agency of

[0:44:07] Voice 5: the province of BC, or a unicorn, a unique unicorn bureaucracy, and no offense on

[0:44:14] Voice 5: that, some of my best friends are unicorns. The Islands Trust and the

[0:44:20] Voice 5: den and i and the local trust committee have an obligation quote to recognize to respect to

[0:44:25] Voice 5: protect and to fulfill the human right to housing i represented the local trust committee with a

[0:44:34] Voice 5: very large document pile y'all come see me i've got a little link if you want to get your own

[0:44:41] Voice 5: hands on these many many papers it's a very large volume of reading material it all supports my

[0:44:48] Voice 5: human right to housing in my five page letter to you i make 13 requests for change that will begin

[0:44:54] Voice 5: a path of alignment with your human rights obligations today i will speak of three of

[0:44:59] Voice 5: those items two of which are on are in my written presentation i pray that you will read the entirety

[0:45:07] Voice 5: of my presentation and then take meaningful action in meeting your human rights obligations

[0:45:13] Voice 5: Number 1. Surprise visits by Islands Trust employees at my home have resulted in terrible effects on my cognitive, physical and mental health.

[0:45:23] Voice 5: I have PTSD. PTSD is not rational, it is however very real. The best wisdom in living with PTSD is to minimize triggers.

[0:45:37] Voice 5: It is very, very important for we survivors to make our homes a safe place.

[0:45:44] Voice 5: Trauma-informed practice knows that we simply don't surprise people with PTSD, certainly

[0:45:50] Voice 5: not at their home.

[0:45:52] Voice 5: And when a person is triggered into their PTSD, we make no sudden demands.

[0:46:03] Voice 5: You got this.

[0:46:04] Voice 5: I got this.

[0:46:05] Voice 5: My recovery from and with PTSD is my responsibility.

[0:46:10] Voice 5: I got this.

[0:46:11] Voice 5: Your responsibility is to stop practices that are known to cause harm to people.

[0:46:23] Voice 5: As per Appendix B of my submission to you, catching people in the act of bylaw infractions is not a good enough reason to cause harm.

[0:46:36] Voice 5: Nor is it a good enough reason to put your employees at risk of violating the human right to housing, which is what you're doing right now.

[0:46:45] Voice 5: surprise bylaw enforcement visits and or inspections must stop the practice is cruel

[0:46:51] Voice 5: it is inhumane and is against human rights laws it is your responsibility to require your employees

[0:46:58] Voice 5: to make appointments before they visit any human at their home to support the human right to housing

[0:47:05] Voice 5: please support please make and support a motion today stopping the practice of surprise site visits

[0:47:14] Voice 15: 2.

[0:47:15] Voice 5: Housing must be removed as an offence under the by-law enforcement notification system.

[0:47:23] Voice 5: It is a violation of human rights to fine a landowner for helping another human to meet their human right to housing.

[0:47:30] Voice 5: No matter what your local by-law states, federal human rights legislation overrules them.

[0:47:40] Voice 5: Sorry, I'm having anxiety right now. Thank you for the 15 minutes.

[0:47:43] Voice 5: Grab yourself a glass of water, too, if you need to.

[0:47:46] Voice 5: No, I got water.

[0:47:50] Voice 5: Okay, good.

[0:47:51] Voice 5: I got water.

[0:47:51] Voice 8: Thank

[0:47:51] Voice 5: you.

[0:47:53] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:47:54] Voice 5: Nice deep breath.

[0:47:55] Voice 5: You got it.

[0:47:56] Voice 5: I got this.

[0:47:57] Voice 5: Thank you, community.

[0:47:59] Voice 5: We're here for you.

[0:48:01] Voice 5: No matter what local bylaws say, federal human rights legislation overrules them.

[0:48:10] Voice 5: To support the human right to housing, please today make and support a motion to immediately remove housing from the Venn system.

[0:48:18] Voice 5: 3. Numbers from Islands Trust's own report show that 10-15% of Denman Island's population are living in unlawful or marginalized housing.

[0:48:30] I

[0:48:30] Voice 5: identify myself as one of the 10-15%. I have lived experience and am a knowledge keeper of the marginally housed in our community. They talk to me.

[0:48:42] Voice 5: Despite my social communication difficulties and my anxieties, I have repeatedly reached out to your committee,

[0:48:48] Voice 5: committee trying to engage with you on housing. Is it because of my social communication difficulties

[0:48:56] Voice 5: that your committee rejected my application to be on your advisory planning committee?

[0:49:02] Voice 5: Will your committee include me on upcoming bylaw and housing reviews or other advisory

[0:49:08] Voice 5: committees? Will your committee include and engage me in the policy 2050? Will Islands

[0:49:15] Voice 5: Islands Trust include me and engage me in the policy 2050? Will your committee

[0:49:22] Voice 5: center the human right to housing as you were federally legislated to do? When

[0:49:29] Voice 5: will your committee meaningfully engage with me as per federal regulations? While

[0:49:37] Voice 5: it is easy to label me a difficult person and thereby dismiss my voice, that

[0:49:43] Voice 5: That is a disservice to the health of our diverse community.

[0:49:46] Voice 5: A healthy community and committee doesn't silence and compound the isolation of the marginalized.

[0:49:52] Voice 5: A healthy and inclusive committee welcomes our voices and our lived experiences to your table.

[0:50:00] Voice 5: Conversations and solutions only work when they include those who are most affected.

[0:50:07] Voice 5: The Denman Island Local Trust Committee is legally obligated to align your systems with

[0:50:16] Voice 5: human rights and to stop further marginalization of people like me.

[0:50:22] Voice 5: You are required to engage with me and people like me for all land use by-law reviews, the

[0:50:28] Voice 5: Policy 2050 document, and any and all policy and by-laws that involve the human right to

[0:50:34] Voice 5: housing.

[0:50:35] Voice 5: I hope that today you will make the necessary changes 1 advanced appointments made before all by-law visits

[0:50:46] Voice 5: 2 remove housing from the by-law enforcement notification system

[0:50:50] Voice 5: 3 meaningfully engage with we the unlawfully housed

[0:50:57] Voice 5: Each of these actions plus the others on my five page letter to you

[0:51:03] Voice 5: all will help you to support the human right to housing and help makes helps

[0:51:09] Voice 5: make every member of our community safer at home we all have a human right to be

[0:51:15] Voice 5: safe at home that is our human right I wish and pray and hope that you are

[0:51:22] Voice 5: safe at home and I pray that you will return that favor to me because right

[0:51:28] Voice 5: Right now, under current bylaws, I am not safe at home.

[0:51:33] Voice 5: Thank you for your time.

[0:51:35] Voice 5: I have one more thing to say because I have no time.

[0:51:41] Voice 5: This is the Palace of the Flame, which is a symbol of the Unitarian Universalists.

[0:51:49] Voice 5: This pendant belonged to my grandfather, Eric Smethurst, who was the second...

[0:51:55] Voice 5: He wasn't a clergyman because he was with the Unitarian Universalists,

[0:52:00] Voice 5: and so they're not ministers per se. He was the second celebrant in Canada to perform

[0:52:08] Voice 5: same-sex unions back before it was legal because he believes that all people deserve to be

[0:52:17] Voice 5: safe and to be loved. And that is, I wear this in honor of my grandfather and I encourage

[0:52:23] Voice 5: you to be the first and the second people to support the human right to housing here

[0:52:28] Voice 5: on our island and through the entire By-Lewis Trust. Thank you for your time.

[0:52:34] Voice 5: Thank you very much. Thank you for your delegation. I'm open to discussion if

[0:52:44] Voice 5: there's any questions from the trustees. I would love to have discussions about

[0:52:48] Voice 5: this. I've been waiting so

[0:52:49] Chair Fast: long. This is a time for trustees to ask any

[0:52:54] Chair Fast: questions. Discussions are supposed to happen up here, but

[0:52:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): questions for the

[0:52:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): delegate I'm just I'd like to ask and thank you and thanks for all the

[0:53:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): research I've already been making use of some of what I've learned from you and

[0:53:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): some of the work I'm doing and thanks my question is like what does meaningful

[0:53:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): engagement look like like I understand it the concept of it and I know ways

[0:53:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): from my experience and things I've learned about what it would look like

[0:53:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but what does it look like specifically to you

[0:53:27] Voice 5: thank you for that question i'm really glad you

[0:53:30] Voice 5: asked that um and for me what it would look like would actually be having a housing action

[0:53:37] Voice 5: committee here on denman so that we can we've done the studies we've got groups are already

[0:53:44] Voice 5: working on making it happen but it's so slow we know from the 2018 northern housing needs

[0:53:51] Voice 5: assessment that even when those two projects go through we still haven't even made a dent in the

[0:53:58] Voice 5: housing need on our island so i think involving myself and other members of the community

[0:54:04] Voice 5: in the housing action committee would be a great thing for the i would strive for the local trust

[0:54:09] Voice 5: committee to do to do thank you thank you

[0:54:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): any more questions i

[0:54:13] Chair Fast: would just make a

[0:54:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): couple comments um

[0:54:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Again, thanks for all the extensive research and these specific asks.

[0:54:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): As you probably realize, if one of us said I'm going to make even half of these happen,

[0:54:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we would have more than a full-time job for a while, but I will say I've gone through

[0:54:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): them all.

[0:54:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've prioritized them looking at what I think is doable, given the regulations, the legal

[0:54:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): context the politics of it all and there's certainly things here that

[0:54:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah can be acted on in the short-term medium-term and long-term and just one

[0:54:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): thing just one of them is remove the requirement for these certified

[0:54:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): standards for new buildings that isn't actually something we require here maybe

[0:54:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in other parts of the trust I'm sorry I

[0:55:01] Voice 5: couldn't find the specific there's

[0:55:04] Voice 5: is something in the local uh it might be energy step or pc building step i don't remember what

[0:55:13] Voice 5: the name of it do you know what i this came up

[0:55:15] Voice 4: yeah a year ago step

[0:55:16] Voice 5: code thank you yeah

[0:55:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): for all new bills no not for all new bills with respect to the affordable housing projects yeah

[0:55:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and they need that to get their bc housing funding so but

[0:55:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): it is not just so

[0:55:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): everyone knows

[0:55:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for all the bills, there's no requirement. Right, Armani? Did I miss something entirely?

[0:55:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Let's ask Sonia. In

[0:55:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the current proposed

[0:55:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): by-laws that you're considering for DCLTA and the Denman Green proposal,

[0:55:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): for new residential construction as part of a rezoning application, so that would be through a density transfer or rezoning for a higher density of use,

[0:55:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): those dwellings would be subject to the step two out of four and step four will be mandatory

[0:56:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): in 2032 across all of british columbia oh so that was the interim measure to move towards

[0:56:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): compliance with what will eventually be a requirement across british columbia

[0:56:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): okay my intention

[0:56:18] Voice 5: is that that is unnecessarily classist and keeps people from realizing their

[0:56:24] Voice 5: human right to housing okay thank you thank you very much I'm also curious if

[0:56:32] Voice 5: the global trust committee will please publicly affirm I just want

[0:56:45] Chair Fast: to say we're

[0:56:46] Chair Fast: at 15 minutes and I want to say that the amount of air rebreathing that somebody

[0:56:54] Chair Fast: else in the room has already rebreathed is rising so this is

[0:56:58] Chair Fast: 1561 so I would

[0:57:01] Chair Fast: like to just open all the doors and windows that we can even though we get

[0:57:08] Chair Fast: cold because we need to be safe is the local

[0:57:10] Voice 5: trust committee prepared to

[0:57:13] Voice 5: recognize to respect to protect and to fulfill the human right to housing are

[0:57:19] Voice 5: Are you ready to put that in your minutes, please, that you can, you can ask for federal legislation that you meet your minimum core obligation. This is a quote. You must meet your minimum core obligation to recognize to respect to protect and to fulfill the human right to housing.

[0:57:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Informally, I'd say yes, but I need to know more about what that means.

[0:57:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I

[0:57:44] Voice 4: know, but

[0:57:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we're working

[0:57:46] Voice 4: on it. Everything

[0:57:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we do is within a network of laws, and for instance, when we voted in favour of adhering to and supporting UNDRIP, we had analysis of that, and I've seen that, I'm just saying, as a body, I don't even know what the right wording would be, but I would say informally or formally as an individual, and I think in our work, where we have an

[0:58:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and will continue to and keep learning about supporting housing as a human right.

[0:58:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): As

[0:58:17] Voice 5: a retired lawyer, does that seem...

[0:58:19] Voice 5: I'm sorry,

[0:58:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this is not

[0:58:20] Voice 5: inquisitive time.

[0:58:22] Voice 5: ...for federal legislation?

[0:58:24] Voice 5: Thank you, Rhiann.

[0:58:25] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:58:26] Voice 5: As a retired lawyer, does that actually, is that legal?

[0:58:29] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[0:58:30] Chair Fast: Thank you, Rhiann.

[0:58:31] Chair Fast: Could we not get an answer to that?

[0:58:33] Chair Fast: You want to make a statement?

[0:58:34] Chair Fast: Sure.

[0:58:34] Chair Fast: Okay.

[0:58:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you.

[0:58:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, let me just say that, of course, I accept the general proposition that you're talking

[0:58:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): But my understanding is that that has been interpreted to mean that it doesn't supersede or nullify all zoning regulations and the authorities of provinces and or local governments under their jurisdiction to put in bylaws which restrict where housing will occur.

[0:59:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): And the number, the amount of housing, I mean the very reason that we have an Islands Trust is to preserve and protect these special places.

[0:59:15] Voice 5: Are you

[0:59:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): required to

[0:59:17] Voice 5: uphold...

[0:59:18] Voice 5: Sorry, I

[0:59:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): didn't interrupt

[0:59:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): you. I wish you would extend me the first statement. Let me finish my thought.

[0:59:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because this is an important matter for people who are out there to understand my view. They need to understand my view a little bit.

[0:59:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, as I understand it, we have the power to regulate, and that continues even in the face of this broad right to housing.

[0:59:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): Also, that right to regulate, if you like, that the local government has, is essential for the preservation...

[1:00:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): and protection of the trust area so even even though you may make that argument

[1:00:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): more strongly in an urban environment I think we have to be very cautious in the

[1:00:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): islands trust and it's a matter of balances my colleague has mentioned the

[1:00:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): word Dallas we're constantly trying to do that I mean you have acknowledged

[1:00:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): yourself how this has grown over time since I've been on the island I know we

[1:00:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): have actually been on some little committees or early stages and we have seen these uh the demand

[1:00:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): for affordable housing rising and and if we if we build if we succeed in getting the 60 or 100 units

[1:00:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): that are now required there will then be more you're required to do more

[1:00:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): thank you very much you

[1:00:53] Voice 5: do more you are federally required to do more i

[1:00:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): think that is that is a

[1:00:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): point upon which we fundamentally disagree.

[1:01:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you very much, Rhiann. I

[1:01:03] Chair Fast: think you've made your point.

[1:01:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We made one comment to the Assembly people. I assume a lot of you are here because you would like to see

[1:01:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): better and more responses to the housing crisis, so I just want to encourage you

[1:01:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to take part in two different public consultation initiatives going on. One is the Farm Regulations

[1:01:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): review on the Islands Trust 2050. You've heard about both of them. Both of them definitely have a lot to do or have components that have to do with housing.

[1:01:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There's lots of information about how to take part. There's physical paper questionnaires in Abraxas and in the Grapevine. There's online questionnaires.

[1:01:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There's meetings. You can write letters. Feel free to take part with the Islands Trust 2050. Forgive me for inviting this.

[1:01:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): You can write in the comments that, because this is an overarching policy for the whole

[1:01:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): trust area, that there should be a policy recognizing housing as a human right and recognizing

[1:02:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): these two key pieces of legislation, one the UN one and one the Canadian one.

[1:02:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): If it goes in the policy statement it's going to have a lot of power, that's how things

[1:02:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): filter down.

[1:02:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So please, there's actually a lot of room right now, there's a lot of kind of opportunity

[1:02:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and opening up of looking at what we do um in terms of housing at the trust is actually a time

[1:02:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that we're digging deep into that so i know it takes time and if it's complicated call me i'll

[1:02:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): talk you through it or come to see with your trustee thank

[1:02:34] Chair Fast: you very much and i was going

[1:02:35] Chair Fast: to mention it all comes down to our official community plan uh on bowen at least i'm sure

[1:02:41] Chair Fast: on every other island and uh the land use bylaw that falls from that so those are also things

[1:02:47] Chair Fast: that we are working on on a ongoing basis so thank you very much that was uh 20 minutes and uh happy

[1:02:54] Chair Fast: to uh have that and i just wanted to play thanks everybody from uh over 1500 we're already down to

[1:03:01] Chair Fast: uh almost 1100 there we go we just got under 10. so thank you for allowing me to open the doors

[1:03:11] Chair Fast: and uh we're gonna move on now in the agenda to um minutes the exciting period where we

[1:03:26] Chair Fast: decide about whether the minutes are correct and uh so i'd just like to let you know we're on page

[1:03:32] Chair Fast: 20 of the agenda for those who are following along and uh trustees do i have any we're looking at the

[1:03:42] Chair Fast: minutes special meeting of minutes from February 15th and

[1:03:46] Voice 8: uh do I have

[1:03:47] Chair Fast: any um let's do the minutes

[1:03:50] Chair Fast: okay so can I have a motion then to pass the minutes to approve the minutes

[1:03:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll move that the minutes be approved thank you

[1:04:02] Chair Fast: thank you and all those in favor

[1:04:06] Chair Fast: thank you very good and uh the next set of minutes thanks everybody the next set of minutes

[1:04:16] Chair Fast: So next is resolutions without meeting. These are just simple little scheduling type things that we can do without a, by email, without a formal meeting. So that's page 26. You can see the record of those. And no advisory planning permission minutes. So we'll just move on now to the follow-up action list.

[1:04:37] Chair Fast: Now we're on page 27 to 29, and any questions for the planner, Justice?

[1:04:47] Chair Fast: There's been

[1:04:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a lot going on.

[1:04:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I have a few small questions.

[1:04:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Please go ahead.

[1:04:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): The first one on July 4th, 2019, like, should we just take this off?

[1:05:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I don't even remember the context or what it's supposed to be.

[1:05:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i just like to have these things tidy so they show what we're really working on cell tower

[1:05:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): application 2019 is this something do you there's something we can really think will be coming

[1:05:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): forward i

[1:05:22] Chair Fast: can tell you that there's an active one on salt spring oh i know

[1:05:26] Chair Fast: that that can happen but

[1:05:29] Chair Fast: planners do you have any information

[1:05:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): for us i can't remember if denman adopted the model strategy

[1:05:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): for antenna that's what i'm

[1:05:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): wondering if we already adopted it i don't think we did

[1:05:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): okay so that might be an outstanding item that you want to consider at some point so if you did

[1:05:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): get a tower application you at least had some time something you could always adopt it at that time

[1:05:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): but um as you know our alert likely wouldn't be responsible for this anyway i'm not sure why i

[1:05:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): think it's because he was responsible for the model but yeah

[1:06:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): so could

[1:06:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): maybe just a little

[1:06:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like in your free time or someone could someone kind of make a phone call and find out

[1:06:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that like maybe there's a it sounds like there's i think there's a consultation

[1:06:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): protocol model and maybe it just needs to come forward to us oh

[1:06:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): it went to all the local

[1:06:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): companies

[1:06:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): quite a few years ago and that's

[1:06:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): why i wasn't um you were a planner i don't think at

[1:06:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): that time i'm not sure yeah but

[1:06:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): we can go through the resolutions from 2017 2018 2019 figure out

[1:06:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): if you did endorse that model and if you didn't we can sure bring it back to you

[1:06:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): okay that's

[1:06:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if it's not I don't want that to linger take yeah and at the same time I

[1:06:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): don't want you spending hours on that and not doing some of the application

[1:06:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and project work but so kind

[1:06:53] Chair Fast: of just check into the status put it on

[1:06:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): your to-do list to

[1:06:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): check into the status of that yeah

[1:06:57] Chair Fast: rather than bringing it back and you

[1:06:59] Chair Fast: can just report on the status at the next meeting that would be good because I

[1:07:02] Chair Fast: believe things that the rules keep changing it's another reason that it may

[1:07:06] Chair Fast: have been left behind okay and actually that's all the nothing else is in substance okay are there

[1:07:12] Chair Fast: uh any other questions for the planner on the follow-up action list trustee christie nothing

[1:07:16] Chair Fast: for me okay thank you then let's move on to the uh 8.2 this is the citing and use permit bylaw

[1:07:25] Chair Fast: page 30 of the agenda is where we're starting here and uh i'm going to turn it over here to

[1:07:31] Chair Fast: to Planner Zuconetz to present a report that I gather a regional planning manager has put

[1:07:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): together for us here.

[1:07:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): Correct.

[1:07:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the staff recommendation is for you to consider some housekeeping amendments to the

[1:07:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): siting and use permit to modernize it and also recommending that in cases where a building

[1:07:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): or structure is supposed to be sited within one meter of a required setback that at that

[1:08:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): point in time we would be able to request that a site plan is submitted prepared by a surveyor

[1:08:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that we can ascertain the dimensions more accurately so that's captured in the

[1:08:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): the draft that's attached and the recommendations the resolutions are there for your considerations

[1:08:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): I can vet any questions but I can also contact regional planning manager Kaur directly should

[1:08:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): you have some questions that i can't answer for her

[1:08:31] Chair Fast: very good okay thank you this is uh we're

[1:08:34] Chair Fast: looking at we read it a first time at an earlier meeting um so this is the the revised um version

[1:08:42] Chair Fast: the more uh work has been put into it here and the questions for the plan go ahead trustee pritchett

[1:08:47] Chair Fast: yeah

[1:08:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): um am i correct in assuming there has been no public feedback on this that's

[1:08:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): correct in the

[1:08:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): staff report it was consultation or advertising on grapevine and no public comments have been

[1:09:03] received up until

[1:09:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): tonight that i can give you thank you go ahead just a brief comment i did

[1:09:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have one person bring this up to me and they were quite alarmed and after i explained the

[1:09:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): limitations of it and the reasons for it that their alarm diminished um they weren't thrilled

[1:09:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because of course people don't want extra trouble when they're making

[1:09:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): applications to really minimize the need for the service so yeah I'm ready to go

[1:09:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): ahead with this okay very

[1:09:41] Chair Fast: good look straight forward to me too so I'm open

[1:09:44] Chair Fast: to motions by the way the co2 level has gone way down now we're at 786 so I'm

[1:09:52] Chair Fast: hoping we can uh just keep an eye on it i've closed the main door if people get too cold let

[1:09:57] Chair Fast: me know but otherwise thanks for helping us keep the place healthy go ahead trustee oh trustee

[1:10:04] Chair Fast: okay i'll

[1:10:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): go yes i'll move then the devon island local trust committee bylaw number 240

[1:10:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): cited the devon island local trust committee citing a use permit bylaw 2021 be read a second

[1:10:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): time second

[1:10:21] Chair Fast: thank you any more discussion all those in favor aye

[1:10:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): aye thank you that passes

[1:10:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): next one i'll do the next one i'm with the demin island local trust committee bylaw number 240

[1:10:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): cited as demin island local trust committee citing the use permit bylaw 2021 be read at the third

[1:10:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): time

[1:10:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): second up thank

[1:10:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you any more

[1:10:43] Chair Fast: discussion all those in favor aye thank you that passes

[1:10:48] Chair Fast: unanimously this is because we had the discussion at the earlier meeting where we passed first

[1:10:52] Chair Fast: reading um next time i'll

[1:10:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): move that the denmark local trust committee bylaw number 240 decided

[1:10:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): as denman island local trust committee citing abuse permit bylaw 2021 be forwarded to the

[1:11:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): secretary of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee second

[1:11:09] Chair Fast: thank you and uh

[1:11:11] Chair Fast: any more discussion any fun discussion

[1:11:13] Chair Fast: and hearing that we had no public input or concern about this

[1:11:16] Chair Fast: so far and it's an administrative one all those in favor aye thank you that

[1:11:21] Chair Fast: passes unanimously just gonna adjust the camera here oh there we go it puts us

[1:11:35] Chair Fast: back in the middle okay thank you trustees then we're gonna move on now

[1:11:44] Chair Fast: the fees by law 8.3 on your agenda which is standing on page 36 and this was

[1:11:51] Chair Fast: So that was, whoops, let me get to my page here, sorry.

[1:11:56] Chair Fast: There we go.

[1:11:57] Chair Fast: And this is another one.

[1:11:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): Over to you, planners and the minister.

[1:11:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): So in November of last year,

[1:12:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): you gave direction to staff to draft a new fee by-law

[1:12:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): based on the model fee that was prepared

[1:12:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): by the Violence Trust Council policy,

[1:12:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): and it is here for your consideration

[1:12:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): of first, second, third reading,

[1:12:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): and also to be forwarded to the executive committee

[1:12:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): for consideration of approval,

[1:12:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): because it's an administrative by-law.

[1:12:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): it's not subject to public hearing or public consultation there are some minor tweaks to the

[1:12:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): proposed fees bylaw compared to the model based on some input that you gave in November

[1:12:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): and if you have any questions about any elements of the bylaw I

[1:12:42] Chair Fast: can try to answer them

[1:12:42] Chair Fast: thank you very much so we've got a we had discussed this back in November and we've

[1:12:51] Chair Fast: got the modified version here with the information for the more concise version

[1:12:59] Chair Fast: in front of us. And questions for the planner? Anybody got questions? Yeah, I have

[1:13:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a question for the planner and then I have a fair amount of commentary. Okay, go ahead.

[1:13:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): In the original

[1:13:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bylaw 181, I'm just looking down at temporary use permits on page 38 of the

[1:13:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): package there is an existing fee of $440 for a residential sighting and use

[1:13:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): permit and I'm just wondering if oh I see this okay so yeah this is the

[1:13:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): question I see that in number 13 and then it says it's not in the model but

[1:13:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if you look at 11 that's sort of no 12 that would be where it shows up so I've

[1:13:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just as more maybe a note that i feel that that original right now the permit is 440

[1:13:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for a temporary use permit it's the only kind of temporary use permit supported by our regulations

[1:13:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and it's for a secondary dwelling and uh right now that would then go up to a thousand dollars

[1:14:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because it would fall under that number 12 if it was under 95 square meters um and um yeah so i

[1:14:17] Voice 8: guess I will

[1:14:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah I'm just noting that it's a big job and considering

[1:14:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): everything we just heard about housing that we already know a lot about the housing

[1:14:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): need and are aware of it that's a big jump for the one of the tools that is

[1:14:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): available to Islanders that they have not been using but they could use or not

[1:14:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): been using much so I'm concerned about that so I don't if you have a comment on

[1:14:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that or

[1:14:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): thank you I think the obviously the reason it wasn't in the model is

[1:14:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): because it's not the denman site specific situation that you've created so the model

[1:14:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): doesn't capture that so this is your opportunity to customize the fee by law or your land use

[1:15:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): by law and reflect how you wish to proceed understanding that the cost recovery is still

[1:15:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): a necessary component of those processing fees to ensure that yeah

[1:15:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's not being unduly subsidized

[1:15:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I have one more question related to that, looking at number 12, that if we adopt this,

[1:15:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): then those kind of temporary use permits will then come under number 12 here, and that is

[1:15:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a residential use under 95 square meters that provides community benefit.

[1:15:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And since our OCP has affordable housing provided by secondary units, et cetera, as a community

[1:15:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): benefit do we need to somewhere define what is a community benefit for future trustees who don't

[1:15:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know what the heck that is i think that is defined i don't think it is uh and just because they know

[1:15:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i'm just wondering if somewhere right now in denver the only tup temporary use permit permitted

[1:16:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is for secondary dwellings and

[1:16:03] Voice 1: that was put

[1:16:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in place specifically to address housing needs and

[1:16:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): provide housing options so i guess i'm hoping that there's a way or i would like to see a way that

[1:16:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that be clearly defined somewhere so it's not lost if there's different trustees sitting at the table

[1:16:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): hang

[1:16:21] Chair Fast: on no i can't we're in a business meeting now go ahead

[1:16:25] Chair Fast: community benefit is defined it's on page uh 43.

[1:16:30] Chair Fast: oh thank you

[1:16:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): to an application that results in the

[1:16:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): provision of an amenity that is of value to the community and identified in the

[1:16:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): official community plan as a community amenity so if the Denman official

[1:16:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): community plan hasn't contemplated a range of community amenities that would

[1:16:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): be a really good thing to do okay so that it's clear what would fall under

[1:16:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): this community benefit provision when an application comes forward okay

[1:16:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so that

[1:16:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is just something I'm gonna follow up on that because I think it's very good okay

[1:17:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, Trustee Critchley?

[1:17:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): Is there a mechanism for waiving that fee?

[1:17:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): At

[1:17:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): the time of an application,

[1:17:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): or do you mean now at this point in time?

[1:17:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): No, at the time of an application.

[1:17:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): In the same way that, you know,

[1:17:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): if we have an affordable housing rezoning, for example,

[1:17:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): we can

[1:17:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): go to the executive committee

[1:17:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): and ask for sponsorship.

[1:17:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah,

[1:17:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's different than waiving.

[1:17:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'm not quite sure I understand that other piece of it

[1:17:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): where the sponsorship is for cost accountability.

[1:17:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): If someone is still paying for it,

[1:17:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): it's just that it's the executive budget, so I'm not the person for those types of questions, but I'm pretty sure waiving doesn't exist either, it has to be accounted for somewhere.

[1:17:45] Chair Fast: Well remembering that part of the reason for bringing home forward this whole fees by-law update, proposed new fees by-law was to follow our own policy of recovering costs, right?

[1:18:00] Chair Fast: Right? So that taxpayers aren't subsidizing work that's done on behalf of development of whatever kind.

[1:18:11] Chair Fast: So that's, I like that we're focusing in on something specific, but whether it's waived, or whether it's reduced,

[1:18:22] Chair Fast: or whether it's, somebody still needs to pay for the time of the planners to create the temporary use permit

[1:18:30] Chair Fast: and any temporary use permit and that's, somebody pays, yes.

[1:18:38] Chair Fast: Alright, thank you. So are there any more discussion about this

[1:18:45] Chair Fast: or did somebody want to make any motions or what's the next step?

[1:18:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I couldn't make a motion it would be complex and I'll just speak for a moment I think you

[1:18:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know this because I've brought this up before I I've been very involved in creating this model

[1:19:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bylaw because I'm the chair of regional programming or regional planning committee that brought this

[1:19:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): forward and worked on it for two years so I'm quite aware of the issues and and I understand

[1:19:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): on the principle of that getting developers to pay for the work we do that what i've always

[1:19:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): struggled with and still struggle with is that generally on denman most of what comes forward

[1:19:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is not coming from developers it's coming from individuals people who run businesses

[1:19:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): people building homes people renovating their homes uh so and i do think that we work on behalf

[1:19:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of the community the ecosystem of the province and we don't need developers to pay for all of

[1:19:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that because it's in the interest of everyone that we do a good job and I'm

[1:19:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): particularly concerned about just the impact on affordability and also and

[1:19:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yes we wear this we have a pretty part of fees up I don't think since I became

[1:19:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a trustee 11 years ago not even for inflation and that was a big mistake and

[1:20:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and we have to live with those consequences so I'm glad to see this

[1:20:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): come forward but I don't think that our fees should suddenly be doubling or even

[1:20:09] are tripling as this would do and we did talk about this a lot of

[1:20:14] creativeness

[1:20:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that there has to be some room for local trust committees to

[1:20:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): craft this as they want the policy says it can vary 20% but there's nothing to

[1:20:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): stop us customizing we can customize it might get sent back to us but we can

[1:20:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): certainly try I went through it and I looked at everything and I adjusted it

[1:20:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so that no fee goes up more than 50% and then we can look at this again in a few

[1:20:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): years and bring it up over some five-year period but just doubling or tripling fees for people

[1:20:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): building homes or renovating homes or or getting a temporary use permit is it's too much it's too

[1:20:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): drastic in such a um uncertain and unaffordable time so i have diced out with my calculator i've

[1:21:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): got a bunch of numbers there nothing's over 50 and then there's a few things like the temporary use

[1:21:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): permits that I I think are I think should stay the same or go up a very

[1:21:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): nominal amount and the other thing just to add before I'm just being very open

[1:21:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because I want to make sure that the we have a process that is not going to get

[1:21:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): too complicated with this and it could be that I need to go away and write

[1:21:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): everything up as a which I haven't done as a motion I don't have it written it's

[1:21:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a lot of numbers. The other thing is that our current fees bylaw has a $1,000 rezoning fee

[1:21:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for an affordable housing project, which is incredibly low given the huge amount of work

[1:21:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): done, but it really is in the community interest, and there's huge community interest, much more

[1:21:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): than we've seen here in having affordable housing. The sponsorship program is great, but in the

[1:22:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): budget for next year for the whole trust area is four thousand dollars in that budget for

[1:22:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): sponsorship it's gonna go like that and then we're asking people to pay close to eight thousand

[1:22:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): dollars if we go with this they're just trying to get their affordable housing application off

[1:22:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the ground so i'd like to get something like that back in um so that's where i'm at and just

[1:22:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): sometimes it's easier to talk before motions on the floor but i can put a motion on the floor and

[1:22:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay,

[1:22:31] Chair Fast: stand by. And Trustee Krishnan, did you have anything you wanted to say at this point?

[1:22:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): Well, it just sounds to me like maybe we need to defer this to our next meeting if there's going to be a large number of other numbers that we can consider.

[1:22:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): I would just say that philosophically, I'm basically in favor of the model fee bylaw because it is more of a user pay.

[1:22:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): and we are getting a lot of complaints about our budget generally and it has risen substantially

[1:23:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): over the seven years that I've been on the trust. So I'm concerned about our budget and I do like

[1:23:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): the idea of model fee bylaws and support those numbers. Where I'm mainly concerned is with regard

[1:23:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): to this temporary use permit for residential use or commercial under 95 square meters to provide community benefit.

[1:23:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think that's nicely described and maybe a thousand dollars there is too much of a disincentive.

[1:23:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I would be prepared to look at that one and reduce that maybe by half.

[1:23:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): although I'm yeah I mean if it's got community benefit I think that's fair

[1:24:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): enough to have it reduced down to maybe five hundred dollars apart from that I'm

[1:24:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): largely in favor of this so if you wanted to propose a big slate of them I

[1:24:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): think I'd want to consider it carefully before I go.

[1:24:15] Chair Fast: Yeah hang on I just want to say a few words too and give our planner a chance to speak if she wishes to. I'm not familiar enough with the Denman

[1:24:25] Chair Fast: an ocp to know if community uses are defined in their specific community

[1:24:31] Chair Fast: benefits no i don't think

[1:24:34] Chair Fast: so either just from my quick glance a few years ago going through it but it sounds like there

[1:24:40] Chair Fast: might be a little more work to be done here on this um however i just want to say um speaking

[1:24:49] Chair Fast: in favor of these motions not that I'm against customizing it but I think that

[1:24:57] Chair Fast: I've already spoken about I don't want to be taxpayers to be subsidizing

[1:25:01] Chair Fast: development and we've spoken about the trustee Beshaken about what's

[1:25:07] Chair Fast: traditionally happened on Denman is the local community members are the people

[1:25:13] Chair Fast: who are paying these fees I suggest that maybe that won't be the same going into

[1:25:18] Chair Fast: the future and this is because of some of the changes that we've heard already

[1:25:24] Chair Fast: from our delegates and town hall speakers in that housing has been

[1:25:29] Chair Fast: changing house prices are really high a different kind of well I don't know

[1:25:38] Chair Fast: about this island in particular but houses have turned over a lot on Bowen

[1:25:44] Chair Fast: New homeowners are moving in and they have not been part of the community or part of the official community plan and the ongoing thing.

[1:25:54] Chair Fast: They are building big houses on Bowen.

[1:25:58] Chair Fast: And I'm not saying that would happen here, but I'm wondering.

[1:26:01] Chair Fast: I'm hearing about some changes that are already happening in the area of housing and wonder if we should be prepared for things that may be changing.

[1:26:12] Chair Fast: Secondly, costs are going up, so that's another reason, whether it's the costs of professional

[1:26:21] Chair Fast: advice that we get from staff and consultants and the costs that we pay to other departments

[1:26:27] Chair Fast: when we're filing, I don't know what all the costs are, but they are rising as we all notice

[1:26:34] Chair Fast: in other things in life since whenever these people laws came in, however many years ago

[1:26:41] Chair Fast: I forgot what you said and I think complexity is growing this is what we've been hearing at

[1:26:48] Chair Fast: trust council some applications come in and they're not for something simple and efficient

[1:26:56] Chair Fast: they're for something bigger that involves more regulations and the regulations are changing too

[1:27:03] Chair Fast: so the complexity and the time it takes to process applications and to

[1:27:10] Chair Fast: the time it takes for we need to make that taxpayer dollars stretch farther for some of those

[1:27:17] Chair Fast: applications and so I think that's another reason that the cost the fees should reflect that

[1:27:24] Chair Fast: rather than it coming on to the taxpayer and then there's other changes out there that we've also

[1:27:31] Chair Fast: heard from today like the climate change and these other changes are making everything more complex

[1:27:40] Chair Fast: and leading to more planning being required so i just and water and all those things so i just

[1:27:46] Chair Fast: want to say i'm generally in support of the work that was done by the regional planning committee

[1:27:51] Chair Fast: and coming up with these new uh uh draft fees that this draft fees bylaw and uh i'm interested in uh

[1:28:01] Chair Fast: i like customizing things that's what the denman ltc is all about but i just like climate you know

[1:28:08] Chair Fast: I just I'm conscious about relying on the past to make decisions about the

[1:28:14] Chair Fast: future because so many things are changing in terms of everything from

[1:28:22] Chair Fast: house prices we've already heard all that I said that already so I'm going to

[1:28:26] Chair Fast: now having given you a chance to think what is the wish of the local trust

[1:28:31] Chair Fast: committee to do with our emotions or draft motions in front of us do we want

[1:28:35] Chair Fast: to postpone i think the word is postponed you can defer defer

[1:28:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): defer um yeah

[1:28:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): okay and if there's a

[1:28:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): submission by trustee boucher to include in the

[1:28:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): package we'll recycle the staff report and these

[1:28:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): resolutions and include an attachment with some proposed amended numbers and then you can look

[1:28:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): at that with ample time before the meeting to decide who i'd like to proceed okay then i'd

[1:29:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): like a

[1:29:02] Chair Fast: motion to defer until the next regular meeting

[1:29:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay i'm going to move that we defer the

[1:29:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): fees by law proposed new fee bill

[1:29:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): by law number two

[1:29:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): thank you propose yeah the

[1:29:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we defer consideration of draft bylaw number two four four and then in brackets new fees bylaw

[1:29:28] so people reading and understand

[1:29:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): till the next DILTC meeting regular regular

[1:29:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): business meeting thank you sir thank you and

[1:29:40] Chair Fast: I will just

[1:29:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): speak if I could I will

[1:29:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): put in a submission and I'm sorry I didn't get it done this just the package

[1:29:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): arrived there was counsel there was ITPS I even had a holiday yes and I did two

[1:29:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): hours of work on I couldn't it's a good idea I will do that and the only thing I

[1:29:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): will say is that in

[1:30:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): terms of charging more gas but I think at this point 50% more is still a lot more and

[1:30:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): some of these go up like four or five times as much in the proposal and so you will see

[1:30:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): my submission and yeah that's

[1:30:15] Chair Fast: fine great thank you so we've got a motion moved and seconded

[1:30:18] Chair Fast: to defer to the next meeting and you're going to provide a draft motion and pass it along

[1:30:24] Chair Fast: to the planner is there any other discussion before we pass this book before we both okay

[1:30:30] Chair Fast: then i'll call the question all those in

[1:30:32] Chair Fast: favor of deferring to the next meeting and two three

[1:30:34] Chair Fast: hands

[1:30:35] Voice 8: up that

[1:30:36] Chair Fast: passes unanimously thank you okay now we're on to the uh 9.1 we're at page 48 we've

[1:30:43] Chair Fast: got a a break scheduled for 1 30. so just so people can look at that it's one o'clock and uh

[1:30:51] Chair Fast: just so people know we're back down to 730 well done everybody we're on schedule and we're on

[1:30:58] Voice 10: schedule

[1:30:58] Chair Fast: yeah and uh so i'd like to um this starts on page 48 and uh let me find my page

[1:31:06] Chair Fast: i talk but i don't do okay here i am um please take it away planners goodness thank you

[1:31:14] Chair Fast: so

[1:31:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): this is the denman green density transfer application that you're considering we're pleased

[1:31:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): to return the proposed bylaws to you with some suggested amendments in order to bring them in closer alignment with the potential for them to be ready for public care.

[1:31:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): And the applicant is here today, so it would be great if you're able to provide space for them to provide you an update,

[1:31:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): as there's been numerous activities over the last week that aren't reflected in the staff report

[1:31:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): report that could be considered today by the local Triscopee should we include that so there's a

[1:31:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): number of staff recommendations pertaining to the specific amendments that we'd like for you

[1:31:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): to consider and I can go through those individually and to clarify but they're self-explanatory and

[1:32:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): the track changes so the attachment so these are based on your direction at the last meeting for

[1:32:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): proposed bylaw number 241 which is to amend the official community plan 242 which is to

[1:32:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): amend the denman land use bylaw and then the draft restrictive covenant which you have not yet

[1:32:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): formally endorsed and we're not asking for that at this time but we do need to strengthen the

[1:32:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): covenants to reflect some of the changes that were captured in the wetland the new wetland

[1:32:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the area that's being delineated

[1:32:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): on the Denman Green parcel specifically.

[1:32:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that's the sort of the summary

[1:32:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): of what we're gonna be discussing today.

[1:32:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): So as you know, proposed bylaw 241 is at first reading,

[1:32:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): same with 242, it was amended in February.

[1:32:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): 243 is the housing agreement

[1:32:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): and that's been given second reading.

[1:32:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): There's no proposed changes to a housing agreement

[1:32:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): being considered today,

[1:32:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that one can sit quietly for now.

[1:33:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): and so we're really just focusing on the OCP the land a spa and the restrictive

[1:33:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): covenant today okay okay so start with the official community plan so that

[1:33:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): changes for the official community plan are specific to the designation change

[1:33:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): for the Danes Road receiver parcels so the last meeting you agreed to ensure

[1:33:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): that the Danes Road receiver parcels stay in the rural designation not the

[1:33:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): residential designation so we need to remove that map from the bylaw to ensure that it stays

[1:33:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): in the rural designation it's the only change for the official community plan so those are minor

[1:33:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): and then bylaw 242 which is for the land use bylaw we needed to do the same thing we needed

[1:33:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): to switch all the zoning provisions for the dane road receiver parcel to the our rural zoning

[1:34:00] zoning reservation so now has a new r28

[1:34:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): zone for the danes road receiver parcel so eliminated the

[1:34:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): r15 should you proceed to amend the bylaw today and we do have one minor correction to make and

[1:34:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): i'll get to that should you decide to go ahead with the resolutions and that relates to the

[1:34:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): minimum average lot area for those parcels currently in the bylaw stipulates 2.0 hectares

[1:34:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): should be 2.8 hectares. If you get to the resolutions that you'd like to proceed

[1:34:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): with those changes then I'd ask that we do that. So the bigger focus of the

[1:34:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): conversation will likely be that we have a new site plan for the Denman Green

[1:34:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): portion of the property and that's included in Sphere 1 in the staff report and that

[1:34:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): shows the more severe restrictions on developable area that the applicants

[1:35:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): gets out to work for the 20 units of affordable housing that they are proposing in that location

[1:35:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): and that's specific to the delineation of the wetland area that needs to be

[1:35:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): protected and not filled or developed so the r41 zoning that we've drafted that's in the bylaws

[1:35:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): there's been some amendments to the setback provisions to accommodate the cisterns and

[1:35:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): the photovoltaic array that they're proposing so they require a bit more flexibility in the north

[1:35:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): setback area as you'll see on the site plan to accommodate the sighting of those structures

[1:35:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): and staff is supporting that request for those changes the applicant is still working to confirm

[1:35:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): the location of the proposed sewage system in proximity to the proposed dwelling unit so

[1:36:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): currently in the site plan you'll see that the actual fields are along the road and within the

[1:36:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): road allowance within the setback to the road which the ministry of transportation typically

[1:36:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): requires a special permit for siting of structures within four meters of the road allowance so

[1:36:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): the applicant has initiated that process and that hopefully will be a concurrent approval process

[1:36:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): for your process moving forward to a public hearing to ensure that there's no issues

[1:36:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): from the Ministry of Transportation and the things with this new proposed

[1:36:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): site but we should expect to see some revisions and updates with respect to

[1:36:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): where the sewage infrastructure will actually fit now that we've got some

[1:36:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): clarity as to which portions of the lot cannot be developed. So the key changes

[1:36:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): are to the draft covenant and that is to ensure that the plan that's presented is

[1:37:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): actually as close to what is actually built as possible with the information

[1:37:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): that you know how so you'll see the draft covenant a number of changes to

[1:37:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): address the need for the fencing for the setback to the wetland boundary as well

[1:37:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): well as restoration of the eastern edge of the wetland, which currently has some invasive

[1:37:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): species and some possible fill that wouldn't be conducive to natural restoration.

[1:37:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): So all those elements have been captured in the covenant, and they would be triggered

[1:37:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): when and if the property is developed.

[1:37:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): So it's sort of staged so that at the time of application for a siting and use permit,

[1:37:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): there's certain things that would have to happen.

[1:37:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): And then at the time of occupancy, there's other factors of the covenant that kick in.

[1:37:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): So nothing really happens until the applicant's ready to proceed, and that's the way the covenant

[1:38:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): is supposed to work, is it actually triggers a sequence of requirements based on where

[1:38:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): they're at.

[1:38:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): So there's nothing preventing the applicant from phasing the construction, but we're sort

[1:38:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): of highballing those pieces that need to happen before they start construction, which is fencing

[1:38:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): off the wetland area and making sure that there's no adverse impacts to that portion

[1:38:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): of the property that's been deemed so um before we go to the attachments which sort of

[1:38:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): i highlight all the track changes so that you can ask questions about those individually i'll just

[1:38:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): summarize a few other issues so the status of water approval says it's a big question for

[1:38:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): the denver green site the applicant's got some time sensitive updates you've been given a copy

[1:38:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): electronically as of yesterday the provincial hydrogeological review that that was undertaken

[1:38:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): taken based on their application so that's not a document that gives any sort of approvals

[1:38:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): it's simply a review to advise the denman green denman housing association what information the

[1:39:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): province still needs in order to continue to evaluate their application for water so i'll

[1:39:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): ask that the applicant provide a summary and an update based on that information that they're

[1:39:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): and then in the staff report there is a recommendation for the definition of

[1:39:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): multifamily dwelling which is sort of a carryover from your last meeting there

[1:39:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): was a discussion about making sure that duplexes are not inadvertently in

[1:39:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): secondary suites they're not inadvertently interchangeable as

[1:39:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): multifamily units so staff's recommending a minor point of

[1:39:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): clarification in that definition to exclude the secondary suites as being considered multi-family

[1:39:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): dogs which are intended to be not a principal dwelling with the secondary suite within it it's

[1:40:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): really for the duplexes or the triplexes or the complexes moving forward in the affordable housing

[1:40:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): context so that changes in there too and we can discuss that you know as you discuss all the

[1:40:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): income changes so that's capturing everything that's in the staff report I think I'll just

[1:40:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): use that as a placeholder to maybe ask questions about this before I introduce some other requests

[1:40:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): that the owner of the dean's room receive proposals has in relation to the bylaws specific

[1:40:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): to the covenant setback and that was a discussion piece carrying over from your last meeting

[1:40:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): as well as the provision for secondary dwellings for the Daines Road Receiver Parcels.

[1:40:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): The density transfer map that was used to calculate the maximum density that would be transferred to the Daines Road Receiver Parcels

[1:40:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): was one dwelling per lot to a maximum of five dwellings in that new receiver zone.

[1:40:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): And recently you agreed to include secondary suites as being permitted in those.

[1:41:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): but there's no provision under the draft zoning to allow for second dwellings on top of the principal dwelling in a secondary suite.

[1:41:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so after we discuss the changes in the staff report, I will be bringing back that suggestion from the owner that that also be reconsidered,

[1:41:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): if they wish to see that included. So perhaps I can answer any questions that you have about the elements that are in the staff report

[1:41:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah,

[1:41:35] Chair Fast: thank you. I've been glancing at our guidelines for participation and we do, after

[1:41:41] Chair Fast: the staff report, usually invite the applicant to have at least five minutes to bring us

[1:41:49] Chair Fast: up to date with anything or have their say. So,

[1:41:52] Chair Fast: and then we'll go to discussion. So questions

[1:41:55] Chair Fast: for the plan act trustees?

[1:41:56] Chair Fast: I

[1:41:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): would just say I don't have any questions and I want to just really commend planners and finance for just keeping this moving and so thoroughly given the complexity of it.

[1:42:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, kudos to you and to the applicants and for their work.

[1:42:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Very good.

[1:42:15] Chair Fast: Okay, then I'm going to give the floor over to Simon and your group over there.

[1:42:19] Chair Fast: Denman Green, you've got five minutes if you want to say anything or bring us up to date on material that isn't in the agenda before us.

[1:42:30] Voice 13: Sure, I have a specific update for you on the outcome of the Flinro hydrogeological technical review of our water plan

[1:42:44] of the hydrologists, the environmental biologists report. We

[1:42:54] Voice 13: met with the representative from

[1:42:56] Voice 13: Flinro remotely on Friday the 18th, and basically three things came out of that meeting. The

[1:43:04] Voice 13: first was a small reduction, in the opinion of Flinro, of the yield from the well. And

[1:43:11] Voice 13: And that actually, as we explained to FINRA, is not material for us, because we are proposing to supply 50% of the potable water from rainwater anyhow.

[1:43:23] Voice 13: And the maximum daily demand will be met by, I'm just working off memory now, something slightly more than 5 cubic metres per day.

[1:43:33] Voice 13: And the reduction that FINRA is talking about is a well yield of over 8 cubic metres per day.

[1:43:40] so we're well within the range of the

[1:43:44] Voice 13: delivery. The second point was

[1:43:50] Voice 13: regarding the impact of yesterday with hydrogeologists and the opinion that the world

[1:44:08] minimal or no during the summer months because of a layer of clay which

[1:44:16] actually means that the water, any water that flows during the summer months will

[1:44:23] go

[1:44:23] Voice 13: underneath that layer of clay rather than on top of the layer of clay. And it's evidenced

[1:44:31] actually by

[1:44:32] Voice 13: the so-called wet completely during the summer months. And there's some field work

[1:44:41] Voice 13: to show that the satisfaction of Linrow, the geologist's opinion in that respect is in fact

[1:44:54] Voice 13: poor. And the third point that they raised was that there will be three or four conditions in

[1:45:01] Voice 13: the water license but they are all very manageable and actually responsible such as monitoring

[1:45:07] Voice 13: of the well yield. These are all standard conditions that are reasonable. So that's

[1:45:27] Voice 13: where the hydrologist technical review stands. Excuse me, I've lost my bit of paper today.

[1:45:36] Voice 13: But we need a couple more comments. Whilst the work on our side is continuing to refine

[1:45:44] Voice 13: the site plan, mining the constriction imposed by the newfound wetland, to review the wastewater

[1:45:50] Voice 13: water assessment mining the new location of the septic fields to provide further clarifications

[1:45:56] Voice 13: of fin road on the well to wetland connectivity and more whilst we've been doing that it is

[1:46:03] Voice 13: essential in our view that the trust approval process of our application continue to move

[1:46:09] Voice 13: forward because there are at least two lengthy review periods that need to be factored into any

[1:46:16] Voice 13: timeline which envisages us being ready to apply for funding in the first

[1:46:22] quarter of 2023. The background to that is that we understand there's no money in the provincial budget this year for affordable housing but the

[1:46:31] pundits tell us that there is likely to be in the

[1:46:35] Voice 13: February next year budget so

[1:46:38] Voice 13: we have to be ready. The lengthy review periods that I've just referenced are a

[1:46:48] Voice 13: 90-day referral period for the most useful affairs after third reading of

[1:46:55] Voice 13: Bible amendments and we're advised by FINRO a four to five month period from

[1:47:01] Voice 13: now that the FINRO hydrogeologic technical reviews be issued until we

[1:47:10] Voice 13: receive the license. Therefore we would request of you public hearing the

[1:47:17] Voice 13: scheduled before your next ltc meeting on may 31st with a view to a third meeting occurring at that

[1:47:25] Voice 13: meeting and the remaining steps in the above referrals may so to answer any questions thank

[1:47:41] Chair Fast: you mr palmer that was perfect uh five minutes and three seconds very good um

[1:47:47] Voice 13: that's what we

[1:47:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): aim for yes questions

[1:47:49] Chair Fast: for the applicant uh go ahead trustee chrisley

[1:47:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): actually i think this

[1:47:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): is probably more for a planner now that it's arisen in my mind. This matter of the change in the septic

[1:48:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): field area, does this require us getting another report as to the suitability of that area

[1:48:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): for septic discharge or did the old one encompass that area?

[1:48:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah it's a good question.

[1:48:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): from our sort of cursory look at that initial review that you received that report that's on

[1:48:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): our website everyone can look at that as part of a future public hearing package it shows a specific

[1:48:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): location but it identifies that the parcel the wording is that the parcel does have sufficient

[1:48:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): capacity for the intended flow that the 20 minutes of housing would be created so i'm not sure from

[1:48:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): a technical point of view if it really meant the whole parcel anywhere on the parcel

[1:48:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): or in that initial location, which was quite different than what's proposed now.

[1:48:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): So I've suggested to the applicant that we still need some, not necessarily a whole entire re-review,

[1:49:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): but that the report be updated to the satisfaction of the applicant and the professional that was used

[1:49:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): to indicate that the site plan has definitely changed and confirmation that regardless of the change in the site

[1:49:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): that it would still be supportable if the conditions don't support the flow

[1:49:21] that's intended because

[1:49:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): that would form the basis of a filing of violent help and so

[1:49:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): the work has to be done at some point and it would be helpful at a public

[1:49:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): hearing to to provide some level of comfort to the community as well as this

[1:49:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): issue has been re-looked at since this new site plan was done and that there is

[1:49:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): is something from a professional on file

[1:49:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): conferring that the site is still,

[1:49:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): can adequately address that volume of flow.

[1:49:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'm not sure if the applicant has any updates

[1:49:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): specific to that piece that you can address,

[1:49:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): but I will offer

[1:49:58] Chair Fast: clarity on that as well.

[1:50:02] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[1:50:03] Chair Fast: Go ahead, Deb.

[1:50:04] Chair Fast: Sorry, I don't know your name.

[1:50:06] Chair Fast: Thank you, please go ahead.

[1:50:08] Voice 11: I can add a little bit to that.

[1:50:10] Voice 11: The second field itself has actually moved

[1:50:12] Voice 11: include a very minor previous work to explore the site.

[1:50:20] Voice 11: The one issue that we have is that it is moving closer, so we do need to get a move for that.

[1:50:32] Voice 11: I know we're talking to Steve. He said that's really not an issue for them.

[1:50:38] Voice 11: The air bubble moving the septic field into that zone is really a true default.

[1:50:42] Voice 11: We don't expect that to be an issue. And we will get an update specific to that.

[1:50:54] Chair Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Critchie.

[1:50:55] Chair Fast: So

[1:50:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): another question, some are related, is through the planner.

[1:51:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): Does the island health in, I understand that water licensing branch in due course, assuming

[1:51:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): all the conditions are met, will issue four or five months from now a water license.

[1:51:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): But we also have the island health dealing with the potability factor, the health safety

[1:51:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): aspect of that water.

[1:51:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): And do they need anything from, does this change in the septic?

[1:51:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): location create any further necessity for information to Island Health in

[1:51:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): order to get their approval for safety issues.

[1:51:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): Well, again the applicant can clarify, but from what I understand, Island Health can't give any approval at this stage because they don't have a construction, what do they call it, a construction drawing?

[1:51:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): Right.

[1:52:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): and that's a very detailed engineered plan which they can't produce because that's a whole other stack that requires a significant investment

[1:52:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): it's a very expensive procedure and if there's no approvals in place then that work might need to be refined and changed at the time of actual construction

[1:52:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that hasn't been done so Island Health can't do approval on something that they haven't reviewed

[1:52:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): there's no construction drawings associated with them.

[1:52:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): But what we do have is that a year and a half ago now

[1:52:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): is correspondence from Island Health that they've,

[1:52:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): you know, they've been in direct contact with the applicant

[1:52:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): numerous times about how this community water system

[1:52:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): is going to function because half of the water

[1:52:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): is rainwater collection and that they're amenable

[1:52:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): to looking at how this system could function.

[1:52:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): That doesn't mean that they're going to approve

[1:52:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): prove the system that the applicant submits at the end of the day there might be more

[1:53:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): back and forth or there might be some significant technical issues I'm not sure with how that's

[1:53:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): going to play out so for the purposes of your sphere of interest in your jurisdiction you

[1:53:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): still need to be satisfied that this meets the island's trust policy statement 4.4.2

[1:53:19] Voice 8: which is very specific to ensuring that the application doesn't create

[1:53:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): more water issues

[1:53:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): or concerns that's why we haven't given you a checklist to say the violence are

[1:53:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): ready to go because we needed to at least get to the point where in the

[1:53:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): fling or water license which is specific to the extraction of groundwater versus

[1:53:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): worrying about the rainwater supplementation and if you are confident

[1:53:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): that this update that you're receiving is leading towards consistency with the

[1:53:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): a stress policy statement because it looks like a groundwater license would be issued

[1:53:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): and you have confidence that the island health water approvals will be worked out at the time

[1:54:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): of construction versus at the time of rezoning and that's the point in time at which you could

[1:54:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): move forward to a public hearing because that's the same level of confidence you're passing on to

[1:54:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): members of the community who are asked to speak to us whether they support the bylaws or not so

[1:54:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): I don't have a trust policy statement for you to look at today with those check boxes because it's

[1:54:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): all just happened in the last week so you theoretically you can't proceed to a public

[1:54:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): hearing without that review and analysis and documentation but that's not to say that we

[1:54:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): can't provide that to you between now and your next meeting and then schedule something after

[1:54:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): that but in short the island health piece is not something that you're going to get

[1:54:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): at this stage because there is no construction drawings for them to consider and evaluate on

[1:55:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): whether or not it's it's supportable it's all quite theoretical based on the evidence and the

[1:55:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): data they submitted which is the same reports that you've received as part of this application

[1:55:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): in terms of rainwater collection, capacity, average rainfall.

[1:55:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you. Go ahead.

[1:55:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): Sorry, I just want to follow up on that.

[1:55:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): I understand the complexity vis-a-vis Island Health because of the design requirements,

[1:55:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): particularly for the rainwater harvesting.

[1:55:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): But for the well use, which is going to be roughly 50% of the water source for the project,

[1:55:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): I would tell the presumably can can give some opinion or view on the suitability

[1:55:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): of it vis-a-vis having a septic discharge area for 45 residents or

[1:55:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): however many in proximity to that well can they tell us that that's safe well

[1:56:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): the

[1:56:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): septic report says it is so right now you have the confidence from a

[1:56:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): professional who's certified in that body of work that

[1:56:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): that wouldn't be an issue that you could file a septic report and that the well

[1:56:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): could be used for those the residential purposes

[1:56:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): intended uh island help we have some other

[1:56:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): requirements that i'm unaware of and the applicant might be able to comment

[1:56:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): further on their discussions about this but i

[1:56:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): don't think that they could give an in-between approval of like just the

[1:56:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): well portion of the water system that they

[1:56:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): need to see the whole package of how a lot of the water is going to be distributed to 20 households

[1:56:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): especially if it's being supplemented and that they can't just focus on one piece and ignore

[1:56:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): the other until a later date but Simon and Dave might have some more information for that sorry

[1:56:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): it's not I invite the other presenters yeah

[1:56:57] Voice 13: I think a couple of comments if you're concerned

[1:57:00] Voice 13: Concerned about the danger of the septic affecting the well, there is a regulation that requires

[1:57:07] that the well and the septic be separated by 30 metres, and indeed that the wet plan

[1:57:12] and the septic be separated by 30 metres.

[1:57:15] And on our site plan,

[1:57:17] Voice 13: which is part of your package, I think that is shown.

[1:57:20] Voice 13: The second point I'd make is that Island Health has been through our water plan and has extensive

[1:57:27] Voice 13: extensive discussions with the engineer who wrote the water and they have told us that

[1:57:33] Voice 13: their next involvement in this whole project is when we submit designs for the water system

[1:57:40] to them, construction designs, and then they issue a permit for us to apply for an operating

[1:57:47] permit and that means

[1:57:49] Voice 13: that we've got to show them that we can operate that design system

[1:57:54] Voice 13: system to meet their safety requirements amongst others. And that process typically happens

[1:58:03] Voice 13: when you're about to begin construction of the buildings themselves. Then you go to Island

[1:58:09] Voice 13: Health and you apply based on your site.

[1:58:15] Chair Fast: Thank you. Does that answer your question?

[1:58:17] Chair Fast: I

[1:58:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): think as well as it could be. Thank you.

[1:58:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): Are

[1:58:21] Chair Fast: these the same constructions, drawings that you're referring to?

[1:58:25] Chair Fast: For Island Health, yeah.

[1:58:26] Chair Fast: Yeah, for Island Health.

[1:58:28] Chair Fast: Right.

[1:58:28] Chair Fast: Okay, thank you. Just for the water system. Yeah, that's what I was confused about. Okay, thank you.

[1:58:35] Chair Fast: And

[1:58:35] Voice 13: both rainwater and well water. The whole combined system.

[1:58:40] Voice 13: Right, gotcha,

[1:58:41] Chair Fast: thank you. Go

[1:58:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): ahead Trustee Boucher. Yeah, this is an important conversation because I think that's

[1:58:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the three, well four main issues I see with this, or five, is it a good location, which is a big question,

[1:58:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is housing affordability sufficiently built into it um is there enough water without diversely

[1:59:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): impacting the aquifer uh and sewage going to be properly disposed of um and and just generally

[1:59:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): works the community so those are the big questions and when we come to public hearing i think that's

[1:59:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): what we'll be hearing about and we don't want to get to public hearing without sufficient answers

[1:59:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and we don't want to bring this back to the table without sufficient answers so

[1:59:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I just want to get clear, like hearing that the, it will be, I believe it was four or five months to a water license,

[1:59:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that does to make me think, let's get on with our process.

[1:59:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): If we are sufficiently satisfied, then in all likelihood that water license will be granted.

[1:59:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So that is a key phrase.

[1:59:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I heard about a hydro geological technical review and I just need help

[1:59:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): either from the planner or the applicant. Am I correct in understanding that that is

[2:00:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): somehow related to the water license application in that that's where major issues would be flagged

[2:00:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): so you received an electronic copy of it yesterday that is it that's why it's not

[2:00:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): incorporated into this package that document gives the applicant direction and sort of marching

[2:00:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): orders as to what's what's missing what more information does that department require in

[2:00:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): order for them to proceed with a review of that water license so that's why they met yesterday

[2:00:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): on site with some additional professionals to try to figure out how to address the question

[2:00:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): of the wetland because it's clearly a recharge area for an aquifer and so that's an important

[2:00:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): part on damon island is that that wetland serves a function yeah and so for not just for the part

[2:00:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): the parcel it's you know

[2:00:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): possibly for a broader interest and so the level of impact the flimroid

[2:00:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): and staff are concerned and they need more data as to that level of impact being quantified so that

[2:01:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): they have answered their questions and that's a real technical exercise so that information is

[2:01:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): important and the advocates trying to address it as quickly as they can yeah but that's still

[2:01:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): going to flingward and then we're the recipients of that information as a secondary body that

[2:01:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): informs your interests of land use, not the aquifer's use, which is all that

[2:01:28] Flint Mard cares about, it's beneficial use of the aquifer, your interest is

[2:01:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): ensuring that the land use above the aquifer is consistent with the long-term

[2:01:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): sustainability of the aquifer as well, so it's complicated that way, and that is, you're really testing the

[2:01:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): waters of how to move forward with an application when there's multiple

[2:01:54] Chair Fast: Thank you. I have a quick question, if I can duck in here. Thank you for that good description.

[2:02:02] Chair Fast: I was trying to find the right words. So, were to go too quickly, we could risk further

[2:02:14] Chair Fast: other information coming but that would lead to questions about whether we could

[2:02:21] Chair Fast: meet the Directive Policy 4.4.2 which is the one that says thou shalt not

[2:02:28] Chair Fast: deplete the Eichel first for the you know that right so we wouldn't want to go to a

[2:02:34] Chair Fast: public hearing before we had that info yeah theoretically you shouldn't give

[2:02:38] Chair Fast: first reading

[2:02:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): to a bylaw until you've addressed the islands trust policy statement we

[2:02:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): couldn't so we advised you at first reading look we're holding back on the honest policy statement

[2:02:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): checklist because we still don't know for sure that um how this is going to play out with the

[2:02:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): water plan and with the application to flynnard and you're comfortable with giving first reading

[2:02:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): without that but we we as staff can't really recommend that you go to a public hearing without

[2:03:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): it because you need that information the executive committee isn't going to approve a bylaw if that

[2:03:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): checklist hasn't been endorsed by you and that document is more than just a checklist it's

[2:03:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): really that final confirmation that there's no issues you're satisfied and so therefore

[2:03:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): the executive committee shouldn't be coming back to you asking you know how did you address this

[2:03:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): what's the supporting documentation for this that made you able to say that this is consistent

[2:03:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): that creates problems post-public hearing so we really try to make sure before public hearing

[2:03:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): that we've ensured that there's no backtracking

[2:03:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): because then we have additional expenses

[2:03:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): which are typically borne by an applicant

[2:03:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): which is now a not-for-profit society

[2:03:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): that can't bear those fees.

[2:03:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): So we don't want to create an administrative nightmare

[2:03:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): nor do we want to waste months and months

[2:03:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): going back to public hearing, re-notifying the public,

[2:03:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): exhausting your community with yet another conversation

[2:03:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): around a technical report that should have been received

[2:04:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): in good faith before we advertise a public hearing so that when people do

[2:04:06] their homework they go to the

[2:04:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): website everything's there and they're able to

[2:04:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): make an informed decision and also for the benefit of your decision-making role

[2:04:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): you have access to that information well in advance of a public hearing because it's a lot to review

[2:04:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): you're getting everything piecemeal like we're working as you said on the

[2:04:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): file all the time there's no stagnant role here every single month we're making tweaks to improve

[2:04:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): the violence to get them closer and closer to public hearing so they're accurate there's no

[2:04:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): errors it reflects the application and it reflects your interests as well in terms of progressive

[2:04:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): land use planning for affordable housing density transfer applications

[2:04:50] Chair Fast: so thank you that's just my

[2:04:53] Chair Fast: question i i because i just want to be cautious about jumping too far ahead we want to advance

[2:04:58] Chair Fast: it but if we go too far ahead we might cause ourselves everybody trouble and uh so i just

[2:05:04] Chair Fast: don't want to get ahead of ourselves is my my point my second question is just about the clay

[2:05:09] Chair Fast: layer um is this something that's uh well known in the denman uh downtown kind of area or i just

[2:05:18] Chair Fast: I just hadn't heard about a clay layer before. I don't know how significant that is.

[2:05:24] Chair Fast: I can't speak to that.

[2:05:26] Voice 13: It's the professional opinion of the hydrogeologist, Alan Bacon, being in the business.

[2:05:37] Chair Fast: He's been in business that long, and I'll look at the report again.

[2:05:43] Chair Fast: Thank you. Okay, that helps.

[2:05:45] Chair Fast: I think we need staff to look at the report and see how it looks at the whole thing.

[2:05:52] Chair Fast: So, okay, thank you.

[2:05:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Beshafe.

[2:05:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, following on from this, and thank you, that really clarified what we're doing and not doing and where we are in the multiple complexities.

[2:06:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, given that we want to move forward as efficiently as possible, we want to keep this moving as quickly as possible,

[2:06:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but we don't want to move it so quickly that that's actually going to end up being problematic in the long run.

[2:06:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like I'm concerned that, well, let me put it this way, our next meeting, our next scheduled meeting is until May 31st,

[2:06:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): which is quite a long time from now. A lot, and this is, things are moving very quickly here for a rezoning application.

[2:06:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'm just wondering if there's a way we can, we can estimate how long this,

[2:06:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you need to go through the technical review or stab you and whoever will go

[2:06:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): through the technical review there'll be more information before coming what I'm

[2:06:58] Voice 14: getting at is do

[2:06:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we want to attempt to schedule a meeting between now and May

[2:07:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 31st a single issue electronic special meeting where we could sit with

[2:07:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): everything and that will give us if it all falls into place which it may or may

[2:07:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not do but it would give us the opportunity to then schedule that public hearing the day before

[2:07:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that or something like that that meeting and keep this timeline going um but in a responsible manner

[2:07:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um and i my question is i guess for staff is that a reasonable and plan yeah so you're asking in

[2:07:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): early May or end of April? I'm thinking I mean you need time to schedule a public hearing to get the

[2:07:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): notifications out to let the community plan for it so that is how long in advance like

[2:07:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): statutorily I

[2:07:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): mean yeah what time would

[2:07:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): be. So sorry if the public hearing was May 31st, is that what you're saying?

[2:08:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I like to have the public hearing in the evening before the LTC and we like to have them in the evening and then there's time to think them over.

[2:08:11] But your special meeting for

[2:08:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): just to look at the file and update on the technical review

[2:08:19] Voice 1: and any other information

[2:08:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's coming out of today.

[2:08:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:08:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): You would want that to happen well in advance of the public hearing.

[2:08:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): As in advance as necessary.

[2:08:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:08:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): And I'm curious if you have advice about that.

[2:08:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yes, because that staff report and all the supporting documents in that report then become part of the public hearing package so it's not great to have the meeting and the public hearing within two weeks of each other because we're already preparing the notifications with a public hearing planner within three weeks of public hearing.

[2:08:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that it's ready to go for ten straight days, business days, the public has access to all that.

[2:08:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): So early May?

[2:08:58] Chair Fast: I think the applicants have something to say, please go ahead.

[2:09:03] Voice 12: I have something else, and as an applicant I was

[2:09:07] Chair Fast: trying to ask for my time,

[2:09:08] Voice 12: but right now in terms of the planning and so on,

[2:09:12] Voice 12: there's a two week notification period for the public hearing, and all you need to know is that the public hearing responses from the public

[2:09:23] Voice 12: in advance of your May 31st meeting, if that's what I'm hearing from you, right?

[2:09:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, yeah, but also, I mean, there's the statutory period, but there's also the reality of a small staff, very busy,

[2:09:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and community members wrapping their head around it and all of that, so, and scheduling, and calls being available,

[2:09:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and all of us being available, so two weeks feels too tight to me.

[2:09:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think it's

[2:09:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): pretty tight.

[2:09:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and they're major public hearing like this and

[2:09:51] Chair Fast: I apologize because I yeah there is a

[2:09:56] Chair Fast: co-applicant here who I didn't give a chance to speak and I don't know if that's I don't

[2:10:02] Chair Fast: need

[2:10:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): to speak to these other topics that I just related to the day's room parcels that

[2:10:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): you know if we can work on some of this to get some clarity on what we need more from

[2:10:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): this staff report then we can yeah then

[2:10:15] Chair Fast: we'll go to the next part okay so stand by and

[2:10:18] Chair Fast: Mr. Palmer

[2:10:19] Voice 13: If I may just ask a question, it would be very helpful to know precisely what further information the staff is looking for from us in order to schedule a public...

[2:10:33] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:10:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): so the revision to the septic report, to clearly update where those tanks are, and that's important for the local trust committee.

[2:10:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): So it's not that I need it, but I need to give them that satisfaction.

[2:10:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sure.

[2:10:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): that that's going to be addressed.

[2:10:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): They also need the Islands Trust Laws

[2:10:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): to take a checklist review.

[2:10:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): So for me to do that piece,

[2:10:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): I need to ensure that they have sufficient evidence

[2:10:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): that the rezoning application will not result

[2:10:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): in an increase in density or intensity of use

[2:11:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): in an area with a known water supply issue.

[2:11:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so the Danes Road parcels are not of concern

[2:11:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): because we have that information.

[2:11:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): Your water plan that you've submitted

[2:11:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): partially addressed that question

[2:11:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): and that the water license was the piece that was really going to help with that question about

[2:11:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): is the aquifer going to support that intensity of use and the density of use on the land so we need

[2:11:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): to give you that checklist and provide you with whatever information we can glean from the

[2:11:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): technical review that you just submitted to us as well as everything else that we have access to

[2:11:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): um so that we provide you that analysis and then you decide if it's consistent with the trust

[2:11:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): policy statement so we'll obviously be making our recommendation but you're ultimately in the

[2:11:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): driver's seat and that needs to happen before a public hearing so if you're going to have a

[2:11:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): special meeting before the public hearing that would be the point in time in which we would

[2:12:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): have that included i don't foresee any other information unless the site plan needs to be

[2:12:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): tweaked again or um no i think that would be also those are the real missing pieces that if they

[2:12:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): came post public hearing it would be very difficult to proceed without giving you that information and

[2:12:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): having to advise the public that you know they need that they need access to that as well thank

[2:12:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): you um

[2:12:30] Chair Fast: go ahead trustee critchley so

[2:12:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): you're expecting that um our trust fresh water specialist

[2:12:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): would be providing a report based on the updated information so

[2:12:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): we don't have

[2:12:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): that type of formal agreement with staff but he's another staff person just like

[2:12:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): me there's nothing that says that they're obligated to now provide a

[2:12:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): written report to the local trust committee an application that you're

[2:12:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): that you have so obviously we work in collaboration to try and get as much

[2:13:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): information from each other as possible when we're advancing projects and files

[2:13:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): But we don't have that specific type of reporting requirements where they're coming back to you with a written report.

[2:13:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): And ideally in the future, that would be the case where we have the resources in place to respond to every LCC project and application that deals with freshwater.

[2:13:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): water is how much they perform so the role i have with the freshwater specialist right now is

[2:13:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): referring documents informally as stop to stop asking for input to inform my staff report and

[2:13:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): my staff recommendations to you there's nothing stopping the local trust committee from formally

[2:13:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): passing a resolution requesting that so that they can request the director of planning and

[2:13:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): the freshwater specialist then need to address that and come back to you with

[2:13:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): whether or not that's possible in terms of a formal correspondence piece versus working

[2:13:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): through staff to you so that's an option as well clearly i'm not going to not consult with our

[2:14:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): freshwater specialist on the report you received yesterday um but it would be ideal in the best

[2:14:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): case scenario we have enough fresh water specialists to deal with the volume of work

[2:14:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): that every 13 local trust committees are creating because everybody's asking the same question we

[2:14:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): We need more housing, but do we actually have enough water to support that?

[2:14:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): And I understand that they're quite busy, so I'm in a queue with them and I have to respect staff when they say,

[2:14:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): you know, I can't meet your timelines, they're completely arbitrary to, you know, a work program that's not addressed.

[2:14:40] Chair Fast: Yeah. Thank you.

[2:14:42] Chair Fast: Okay.

[2:14:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, it just seems to me this is a pretty big deal, you know, a project of this size, in this location, with that issue.

[2:14:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): and since we have that staff expertise it only seems right that we should be

[2:14:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): availing ourselves on it. So maybe I could consider a motion further down the road.

[2:15:04] Chair Fast: Further down the road if we don't get it. Trustee, uh, Trustee, I'm looking

[2:15:08] Voice 13: forward, yes.

[2:15:11] Voice 13: If I could just say that the quantity and quality of water has already been

[2:15:18] Voice 13: examined extensively by Island Health and found adequate for the population of 50 people

[2:15:26] Voice 13: in the affordable housing project.

[2:15:29] Chair Fast: Thank you. Yeah, we have to think a little...

[2:15:33] Voice 13: And Flinders. Both Island Health

[2:15:37] Voice 13: and Flinders. So

[2:15:38] Chair Fast: that's what these reports are about.

[2:15:40] Chair Fast: Okay, good, thank you. Then, I'm wondering if it's time for us to... I'm noticing that

[2:15:48] Chair Fast: we're 15 minutes past what we were going to take was a break and i'm concerned about people's

[2:15:52] Chair Fast: blood sugar levels and decision making and all that um do we want to take a break do we want to

[2:15:59] Chair Fast: pursue these uh uh multiple rec multiple recommendations or uh

[2:16:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and we still have

[2:16:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): another part of the operating is actually

[2:16:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): here at 1 30. and so that's a bit of time

[2:16:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, sorry.

[2:16:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sorry, I'm on the wrong hour. My apologies, everybody. Time

[2:16:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): change. I'm losing

[2:16:21] Chair Fast: it. Well, the camera is acting up, but I think we're still recording at least audio.

[2:16:27] Chair Fast: So anyway, just a little alert that if I seem distracted, it's because I'm going, are you still working?

[2:16:34] Chair Fast: Thank you

[2:16:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for running the camera, too. I would be on your job description.

[2:16:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm willing to go ahead with questions,

[2:16:44] Chair Fast: but I also

[2:16:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): don't want to have someone sitting here squirming uncomfortably.

[2:16:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Does anybody

[2:16:50] Chair Fast: at the front of the table here need a break?

[2:16:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay, then let's continue. So just so you know, we talked about the Danes Road receiver parcel and the minor changes there.

[2:17:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): There might be some changes in the resolutions as well.

[2:17:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): So we should

[2:17:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): summarize that for you and then I can draft the resolution to include those changes during a short break and then you have an opportunity for the co-applicant to also speak to these issues that they'd like you to consider today.

[2:17:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay, so there's no changes to 241, which is the OCP bylaw. It's specific to 242, which is the land use bylaw.

[2:17:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so the first one is, we'll talk about the density then. So currently the Danes Road receiver parcels are able to receive five units of density,

[2:17:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): whereas currently two are permitted. And so that would be, the proposal was for five lots, so subdivision into five lots.

[2:17:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): and each of those lots would have committed one single family dwelling and one secondary suite

[2:17:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): was the understanding of how this density transfer would work so the co-applicant has clarified that

[2:18:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): they would wish to retain the ability for a temporary use permit or that secondary dwelling

[2:18:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): however your housing future looks to be retained for that zone as it would in any other R2 zone

[2:18:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): is that it's up to the individual owner to apply at the time and to go through the temporary

[2:18:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): use permit and justify that that site is also conducive for water and septic and all the

[2:18:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): other issues for that second dwelling.

[2:18:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): So therefore you would have a maximum potential of three per lot in units in terms of secondary

[2:18:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): suite, principal dwelling, and a secondary dwelling.

[2:18:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so right now the way the site-specific zone is written for the Danes Road parcels,

[2:18:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's not an option it's very specifically crafted as a density transfer zone that just

[2:18:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): recognizes we've transferred exactly this many units over and the secondary suites aren't included

[2:19:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): because they're not done it doesn't consider those additional densities and they're not permitted to

[2:19:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): apply for a temporary use permit if it's capital it is for a second well so that's a point of

[2:19:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): clarity that the app co-applicant wanted you to consider today and that's this is an opportunity

[2:19:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): to give direction as to whether or not you're amenable to that type of a change contemplating

[2:19:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): that it would still be by application um it's there's nothing in the official community plan

[2:19:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): plan that doesn't uh or that even addresses how the density transfer works in terms of

[2:19:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): whether or not it sterilizes those density receiver ones from that general benefit that's

[2:19:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): afforded to all the other uh parcels in that zone so it's a little bit hard to say whether

[2:19:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): that's consistent or not because it's relatively silent so my initial review of that particular

[2:20:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): particular item is that I think you can consider expanding the scope of the R28 zone to eliminate

[2:20:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): the worry that, and I'll have you

[2:20:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): to play with it a little bit to give it to you, but

[2:20:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): to ensure that there's no ambiguity in the future, if you wanted them to be able to still

[2:20:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): apply for a temporary permit, we can definitely do that, and we might bring that worry back

[2:20:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): to at your special meeting. So

[2:20:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): could I ask what would be the position regarding the donor property

[2:20:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): in regard to those issues?

[2:20:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the donor parcels down zoned to from seven parcels.

[2:20:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes right,

[2:20:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): sorry I didn't mean that. If the donor property remained as it is, correct, then their ability to

[2:20:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): have a secondary suite secondary dwelling would be one would they have the ability for both those

[2:20:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): things yes

[2:21:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): correct so there's no change to the donor other than that such a principal dwelling

[2:21:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): so they could still apply for temporary as a donor parcel but

[2:21:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): they could have if it just remained the

[2:21:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): same if it wasn't being if there was no transfer happening right i'm

[2:21:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): just thinking in terms of

[2:21:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): what is what is being transferred dependent upon what exists yeah

[2:21:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): so they because they

[2:21:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): they wouldn't need a temporary use permit because they still have the provision to build

[2:21:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): more dwellings they don't have the maximum built out sure so they likely wouldn't have applied for

[2:21:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): a temporary until they achieve their maximum right because they still have um you know enough hectares

[2:21:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): left to be able to allocate to a number of single family dwellings so that's the

[2:21:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): first piece for the Daines Road receipt of parcels the second one I think I

[2:21:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): mentioned already earlier in the preface in comments was related to the 30 meter

[2:22:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): covenant setback that was introduced in the first rendition of the bylaws and

[2:22:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): and that was based on, you know, some overview analysis

[2:22:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): of the comments for the Dunman Conservancy

[2:22:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): related to issues and ensuring that there was

[2:22:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): no adverse impacts on the covenanted area's

[2:22:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): adjacent properties, and so that number was not

[2:22:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): determined by a professional, but it was considered

[2:22:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): to be a very conservative buffer area to ensure

[2:22:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): that no future buildings or structures

[2:22:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): would be cited in that zone so the co-applicant has requested that the local trust committee

[2:22:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): remove that specific setback requirement from the r28 zone at your last meeting you determined that

[2:22:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): you'd like to have a bit more time to consider that so that's why it hasn't been reflected in

[2:22:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): the draft that's attached to your staff report today so if there's any specific direction i think

[2:22:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): the co-applicant is anxious to ensure that that's reconsidered so that they understand

[2:23:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): and what if any ramifications there are for development potential on that parcel on those

[2:23:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): parcels okay so that's the second piece for discussion there's just one more

[2:23:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): you want me to go to the next to the last one yeah okay

[2:23:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): so the last one is an error and if you

[2:23:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): look at the recommendations it's probably easier to under recommendation number three which is to

[2:23:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): amend your land use file the r28 site specific zone regulations the item number five under that

[2:23:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): or sorry item number six should be despite line one in table seven and it's minimum average lot

[2:23:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): area minimum which the average lot area permitted by subdivision and then the number should actually

[2:23:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): rate 2.8. So I can give you that resolution when we get to the questions.

[2:24:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): So those are the three areas that we'd like to ask that you all consider today to get some direction on moving forward as it does in Japan projects.

[2:24:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): If the co-applicant feels that they haven't had an opportunity to have those things considered.

[2:24:31] Chair Fast: Thank you. Any questions for the planner or should we go to the co-op?

[2:24:36] Chair Fast: Okay, over to you Mr. Henning.

[2:24:38] Voice 12: Hi, I'm the co-op.

[2:24:41] Voice 12: So I'd like to look at it a little bit from the top, especially around this temporary use permit, the secondary grinding issue.

[2:24:53] Voice 12: So we have currently two densities on Danes, seven densities in the Madigan.

[2:24:59] Voice 12: lease have all the ease in terms of being able to apply for things that the

[2:25:11] gun shiftings

[2:25:12] Voice 12: of densities in the R2 so we have a template some didn't work for

[2:25:19] Voice 12: the historical use of co-ops and there's since then in two applications where the

[2:25:27] Voice 12: the density, i.e. the minimum lot size or the minimum average lot size has been varied.

[2:25:35] Voice 12: In one case it was varied to be less than four hectares,

[2:25:39] Voice 12: in another case it was varied to be more than four hectares.

[2:25:43] Voice 12: In these cases there was never any talk about penalizing this shuffling, if you want,

[2:25:50] Voice 12: by taking away things from these lots and these zones.

[2:25:55] Voice 12: I submit that that should not happen in this case, especially when you're hearing about housing options and how difficult it is for us to find housing options, find water to support the housing options.

[2:26:13] Voice 12: And also, with the fee by-law being increased, now we're facing increased cost for anyone who would want to go in the distance and provide some affordable housing or build something to rent out on their large property through, for now, a temporary use permit, but one that I hope is going to be at some point will make allowances for it.

[2:26:40] Voice 12: So there is a certainty that if you invest $100,000, $150,000 to provide a cabin for rental, that you're not going to face losing that after six years.

[2:26:55] Voice 12: There's no incentive in it.

[2:26:58] Voice 12: And I'd like to echo some of the things that Rianne said.

[2:27:03] Voice 12: Let's work about trying to create incentives around housing solutions, not disincentives.

[2:27:11] Voice 12: Along with that, I think contrary, if you don't want to argue with the sign in here, but I think if you look at R2, bracket 7, you will find exactly that there is only one welling permitted per lot and that the lots that are permitted are four.

[2:27:34] Voice 12: So we've taken away from those four remaining lots as well the ability to apply for a temporary use permit, as I see it.

[2:27:44] Voice 12: because it's exactly the same wording that you have and that I objected to in R2-8

[2:27:52] Voice 12: where it is maximum one per dollar and that it is the maximum is...

[2:27:58] Voice 12: Oh yes, you're correct, yeah.

[2:28:02] Voice 12: So I'd like to bring that and I'd like to again, from the top and say we have R2 zone

[2:28:10] Voice 12: and R2 zone has a whole bunch of things that we agreed upon for that zone

[2:28:15] Voice 12: that rural residential to have, when you do a change and do a size specific, it would be very nice to present it in such a way that a lay person can understand how does this differ from an R2.

[2:28:28] Voice 12: And if it is, in some cases, said, oh, the maximum number of rods is this, and in other cases, oh, the maximum size is this, then there is some confusion.

[2:28:41] Voice 12: I think that being informed for what has gone before and trying to have that same easy access

[2:28:50] Voice 12: into understanding what is the result of the site specific zoning, that one got better.

[2:28:58] Voice 12: So those are my comments.

[2:29:03] I concur with the, I pointed out the point six, how, and

[2:29:09] Voice 12: that's been corrected and I'm

[2:29:11] Voice 12: I'm very happy for that. And again, with respect to incentive or disincentive to participate in finding the solutions in this density transfer,

[2:29:24] again, having gone through rezoning on that land 12 years ago, 15 years ago,

[2:29:32] So, having addressed it from a scientific point of view, having a known entity of zoning

[2:29:41] regulation,

[2:29:43] Voice 12: then bringing in very useful volunteers on the island that are tirelessly to work

[2:29:55] Voice 12: through this.

[2:29:55] Voice 12: I try to help as much as I can.

[2:30:00] Voice 12: to penalize those receiver lots with a 30-meter setback

[2:30:07] Voice 12: in a situation that already has a continent on the neighboring property,

[2:30:12] Voice 12: that already has a development permit area, riparian area, development permit area,

[2:30:17] very

[2:30:17] Voice 12: specific guidelines of what you can do and cannot do.

[2:30:21] Voice 12: There's no way that it says that in the DP area for RAR,

[2:30:26] Voice 12: you are not allowed to do anything within 30 meters of that boundary of the DP area.

[2:30:33] Voice 12: It's like the DP area is already that piece of safety that is used as a land use tool to ensure that there's nothing.

[2:30:43] Voice 12: There are small snippets of that DP area that overlaps lot 5 and lot 4 as receivers.

[2:30:49] Voice 12: They could be two feet or three meters or whatever.

[2:30:54] Voice 12: What needed to be protected, it was agreed, and it is protected. To add this layer, I find to be punitive.

[2:31:10] Chair Fast: Okay, thank

[2:31:11] Chair Fast: you very much. I'm going to stop that there.

[2:31:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, if Mr. Nielsen was building on the Danes Road parcels without these additional lots,

[2:31:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): He would be able to build right up to that

[2:31:31] Voice 8: covenant

[2:31:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): area without any further setback from it, is that right?

[2:31:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): There's a 10 meter setback for that zone.

[2:31:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): 10 meter?

[2:31:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:31:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, Mr. Nielsen, you're not arguing against the 10 meter, but the 30 meter?

[2:31:51] Voice 12: I'm not arguing against whatever is in place.

[2:31:53] Voice 12: on, I'm not trying to bring in an additional, less restrictions on the receiver loss.

[2:32:02] Voice 12: Whatever the situation is there, is what I'm happy to say.

[2:32:09] However, I don't think it's ten meters, Simon.

[2:32:12] Voice 12: That would be a rear dot line, which in R2 is three meters.

[2:32:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): I can look it up while you chat about something else, and we can hear you later.

[2:32:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I was just in the spirit of mediation here. Is there another number that keeps the Conservancy Association happy that we're doing the best that we can to protect and you still get a view a lot?

[2:32:41] Voice 12: So, interestingly, this provision was not a DCA suggestion. This was a staff suggestion.

[2:32:50] Voice 12: And the DCA, of course, in their referral response, said, yeah, well, that's great.

[2:33:01] Voice 12: Yeah, we'll take 30 meters.

[2:33:04] Voice 12: My position is very clear.

[2:33:05] Voice 12: I don't think there should be any other restriction.

[2:33:10] Voice 12: And that the setback and the zone regulations that apply to R2 generally should continue to apply to these thoughts.

[2:33:17] Voice 12: Do

[2:33:20] Chair Fast: we want to carry on discussions like this at the local trust committee, which you're referring to as mediation?

[2:33:31] Chair Fast: Or do we want to respond to what's in front of us here and let staff and the applicants talk about these kinds of things?

[2:33:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): If we can resolve it quickly.

[2:33:46] Chair Fast: Perhaps

[2:33:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): we can hear from staff.

[2:33:48] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sorry, so just to go back, the Denman Green R4 base zone is the 10-metre setback, so you're

[2:33:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): correct.

[2:33:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the R2 zone, which would apply for the Danes Road parcels, the front lot line is

[2:34:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): 7.5 metres, so that's the lot line that would be the road, the Danes Road, and so there's

[2:34:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): a protected area across the street as well, so the 7.5 metres is from the road boundary,

[2:34:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): The rear or side lot line is three meters in the base bottle and the exterior which

[2:34:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): wouldn't apply in this case, I think there was only one lot that would have that, is

[2:34:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): four and a half meters. So yeah, they're substantially smaller setbacks for the Archie zone.

[2:34:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): So

[2:34:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): from the Covenant area, that's

[2:34:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): a side lot line, right?

[2:34:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): That's rear, so that's three meters it looks like, based on the configuration of the lots,

[2:34:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): which is a draft configuration of how the blocks would be subdivided there's no plan in place that

[2:34:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): would likely be weird for most of the wallets but

[2:34:58] Chair Fast: we are inside of this thing yeah that's right

[2:35:00] Chair Fast: that's for staff are we ready to make some of these motions or did you want to discuss some of

[2:35:10] Chair Fast: them ahead of time there's

[2:35:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): some motions we don't have because of this moving along so quickly and

[2:35:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um things kind of growing so i'm not sure if we need to take at least some kind of break but then

[2:35:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): staff are going to have to work on it because there's some like i would be in favor of

[2:35:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): retaining the temporary use option in the r28 um i would be in favor of um removing the 30 meter

[2:35:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): setback um either entirely or replacing it perhaps with a six meter setback which is double what's

[2:35:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): currently required given that there is densification here and I think it is

[2:35:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): reasonable to look at controlling impacts of

[2:36:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): densification but I also think that even without the densification as it is

[2:36:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): someone could go there and build right up against the setback and build a

[2:36:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 20,000 square foot home there so you know is this symbolic I don't really know

[2:36:23] We need to correct the error and there

[2:36:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): was something about the temporary use permits also being permitted on R27.

[2:36:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And as far as I know, those are the outstanding pieces that we don't have suggestions for.

[2:36:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm seeing nodding

[2:36:43] Chair Fast: from the side.

[2:36:43] Chair Fast: So do we want to take a...

[2:36:45] Chair Fast: We could either take an early break, or, so that we could all eat, and the planner would need a little

[2:36:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bit of time.

[2:36:56] Chair Fast: I don't

[2:36:57] Chair Fast: want Sonia not to get a lunch break.

[2:36:58] Chair Fast: She needs to have, well, we'd have to take a lunch break and then give time for the planner.

[2:37:04] Chair Fast: Or we can plow through the other ones and leave those for...

[2:37:11] Chair Fast: because

[2:37:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i think that we're giving things readings with such like or yeah and then i don't even know

[2:37:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): getting hungry i think

[2:37:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if you're getting hungry i am too yeah i think this is complicated

[2:37:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah

[2:37:22] Chair Fast: reading

[2:37:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and readings and we're moving it forward without

[2:37:26] Chair Fast: i just need to know

[2:37:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): let's call

[2:37:29] Chair Fast: for an early break then okay and uh and take a break we've got it's uh 10 after so we were going

[2:37:35] Chair Fast: to have a half hour break to allow us all to stay healthy and uh eat and all that kind of thing so

[2:37:40] Chair Fast: So let's aim to come back, but I want to give Sonia a chance to do that work too.

[2:37:47] Chair Fast: So let's take a 40-minute break

[2:37:50] Voice 10: and

[2:37:51] Chair Fast: see whether we need more time.

[2:37:54] Chair Fast: But otherwise, that means that we're coming back together at what?

[2:37:59] Chair Fast: Does that make sense?

[2:38:00] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[2:38:01] Chair Fast: I can't read.

[2:38:03] Chair Fast: Okay, good.

[2:38:04] Chair Fast: So we'll come back together at 1.50.

[2:38:07] Chair Fast: Question?

[2:38:07] Chair Fast: I have a question.

[2:38:09] Chair Fast: As the

[2:38:09] Voice 5: next person on the agenda, I'm already taking a whole

[2:38:12] Voice 5: day out of it, I'm just wondering

[2:38:14] Voice 5: what the timing is because

[2:38:18] Chair Fast: it's not for us.

[2:38:21] Chair Fast: I hear you, and we are running late, this is a big complicated piece of the agenda,

[2:38:29] Chair Fast: and I'm aiming to get us out of here by 3.30, so we're going to work hard to...

[2:38:36] Chair Fast: So can you give us a time so we can come back?

[2:38:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, we're doing 40 minutes left, I'd say it's going to take at least 10 minutes to wrap this up, so 50 minutes, but I think you should

[2:38:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): come back in an hour, in an hour, sure, because we can always deal with something short if you're not here, so if you want to come back in an hour, and we'll just, we won't get to it until you're here, is that good?

[2:39:03] Chair Fast: No, that's good. I said no.

[2:39:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, yeah, good. And here comes the planner to

[2:39:11] Chair Fast: talk to you tomorrow.

[2:39:15] Chair Fast: Until 1.50.

[2:39:22] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:39:29] Chair Fast: you're sure? So I hope that worked.

[2:39:33] Chair Fast: Just so people know, trustees are looking

[2:39:37] Chair Fast: at an email from Planner Zupanets

[2:39:41] Chair Fast: who has sent revised recommendations over to us and so if we're looking

[2:39:50] Chair Fast: intently at our screens, we're looking at revised recommendations different from

[2:39:56] Chair Fast: the ones that are published in the agenda. Just number three. Just number three.

[2:40:03] Chair Fast: The three little I's together, that's three, three, and so I'm going to, oops, sorry, I

[2:40:16] Chair Fast: have to go, there we go,

[2:40:18] Chair Fast: so I'm going to call the meeting back to order, and here comes

[2:40:26] Chair Fast: the co-applicant, this is good, so I've called the meeting back to order, and we have a few

[2:40:33] Chair Fast: minutes until the next people are coming in at 2 10 i believe is our next item agenda um

[2:40:42] Chair Fast: not that we don't need to take time i'm just letting people know

[2:40:46] Chair Fast: and um uh and we've got about an hour left in our community yeah and um so reconvening here

[2:41:00] Chair Fast: i've got the camera up and running again um people have had conversations we've got the

[2:41:05] Chair Fast: draft vote from our planner over her lunch break i hope everybody is refreshed and uh let's commence

[2:41:11] Chair Fast: we're on uh we're still on item 9.1 this is just for the recording um of the uh

[2:41:19] Chair Fast: and so we're continuing the denman housing association who's ready to make motions

[2:41:23] Chair Fast: or what's our next step go ahead and trustee christie well

[2:41:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): i'll make a motion on the first

[2:41:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): recommendation i'll move the demo trust committee bylaw number 241 cited as denman island official

[2:41:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): Community Plan 2008 be amended as per attachment 1 of the staff report and as

[2:41:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): follows 1 schedule 2 item 2 be removed in its entirety and the subsequent item be

[2:41:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): renumbered chronologically and 2 plan number 2 be removed in its entirety and

[2:41:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): the subsequent plan be renumbered chronologically.

[2:41:58] Chair Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Thank you

[2:42:01] Chair Fast: trustee um and uh any discussion or questions okay call the question all those in favor

[2:42:09] Chair Fast: hi hi hi three minutes right off that passes unanimously next i'll

[2:42:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): move the demo with the

[2:42:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): trust committee bylaw number 241 cited as demo and official community plan 2008 be given first

[2:42:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): reading as amended second thank

[2:42:25] Chair Fast: you so we have a motion moved and seconded any more discussion

[2:42:29] Chair Fast: All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Three hands went up. That passes unanimously. That's in case we lose the video again. So I've got it on the audio recording. Okay. Thank

[2:42:41] Chair Fast: you. Go ahead.

[2:42:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): Three is the one that's in the new email, right?

[2:42:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): So

[2:42:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): can I make a suggestion that 3, 1, 2 be, you can pass them as presented, and then we'll just leave the one that I emailed to you as like number 4, because it will be a bit different.

[2:43:01] Chair Fast: Okay. So if you do the first couple there. 3, 1, 2.

[2:43:08] Chair Fast: Okay.

[2:43:09] Chair Fast: Would you like to make that motion?

[2:43:11] Chair Fast: Sure.

[2:43:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): Okay.

[2:43:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll move the Denman-Island Trust Committee

[2:43:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): by-law number 242, cited as Denman-Island Land Use

[2:43:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): by-law 2008, amendment number one, 2021,

[2:43:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): be amended as per attachment two of the staff report

[2:43:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): and as follows.

[2:43:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): One, section 1.2, definition of dwelling multifamily,

[2:43:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): be amended by inserting the words,

[2:43:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): quote, excluding a principal dwelling

[2:43:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): with a secondary suite, close quote,

[2:43:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): after the word, quote, units.

[2:43:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): to section 1.20 be removed in its entirety, and subsequent sections be numbered chronologically.

[2:43:50] Chair Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Second. Thank you. Any more discussion? All those in favor?

[2:43:57] Chair Fast: Aye.

[2:43:58] Chair Fast: Aye. Okay. That's three ayes have it. It passes. Thank you.

[2:44:04] Chair Fast: Do you want to just skip down to number four?

[2:44:11] Chair Fast: Four, I don't know.

[2:44:12] Chair Fast: Should

[2:44:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): we go back to

[2:44:13] Chair Fast: the one in the email?

[2:44:14] Chair Fast: No, the one in the email is important to do before we do.

[2:44:17] Chair Fast: Just making sure I'm understanding.

[2:44:19] Chair Fast: Thank you very much.

[2:44:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): So we're all going to read the email now.

[2:44:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): So this one can be just on its own, the wording as presented in the email there.

[2:44:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): And this deals specifically with cleaning up both the R27, which is the donor parcel, and the R28, which is the receiver parcel on Danes Road, to allow for the flexibility outside of the density transfer to treat them as if they were any other R2 zone parcel in terms of housing.

[2:44:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): housing in the secondary dwellings so it removes the reference to the maximum number of dwellings

[2:45:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): permitted in the zone which was intended to be part of the density transfer math clarity

[2:45:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): and as well as in the r28 film

[2:45:11] Voice 8: and

[2:45:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): then it inserts the recommendation for the covenant setback area

[2:45:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): to what trustee bushaken had suggested and that's a number that you can do what you need to do with

[2:45:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): as you consider this, as well as correcting the R2-8 density provision in terms of the minimum average line area.

[2:45:37] Chair Fast: To 2.8.

[2:45:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, so that's all included in that sample recommendation that was emailed to you.

[2:45:45] Chair Fast: Very good.

[2:45:46] Chair Fast: Trustees, do you have questions for the plan or is there any?

[2:45:49] Chair Fast: No.

[2:45:50] Chair Fast: Okay, then I'll entertain a motion.

[2:45:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): Okay, so I'll move that Demanon Local Trust Committee by-law number 242, site based Demanon's land use by-law 2008, amendment number 1, 2021 be amended as follows.

[2:46:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): 3, or do I?

[2:46:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, you don't need the...

[2:46:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): So just section 1.2.1?

[2:46:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yes.

[2:46:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): Section 1.2.1 be amended by adding the following new text after R2-6, site specific regulations.

[2:46:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): regulations. R2 bracket 7. 1. Despite line 1 and table 7 of this section, the maximum number of

[2:46:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): watts permitted by subdivision in the R2-7 zone is 4. R2-8. 1. A sighting and use permit for

[2:46:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): dwelling in the R2-8 zone must be accompanied by written certification from an appropriately

[2:46:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): qualified professional architect, engineer, or energy advisor that the dwelling unit meets or

[2:46:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): exceeds the applicable requirements of step two of the energy step code in effect of the reference

[2:46:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): state of this bylaw amendment two despite line one and table five of this section the minimum

[2:47:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): setback of buildings and structures except for a fence fence or public sorry pump utility house

[2:47:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): from a conservation covenant boundary is six meters three despite line one and table seven

[2:47:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): section, the maximum number of lots permitted by subdivision in the R-2-8 zone is 5.4.

[2:47:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): Despite line 1 and table 7 of this section, the minimum average lot area permitted by

[2:47:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): subdivision subject to the regulation in 2.8 is 2.8 hectare.

[2:47:44] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[2:47:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll second that.

[2:47:46] Chair Fast: Okay.

[2:47:46] Chair Fast: We've got a motion moved and seconded.

[2:47:49] Chair Fast: Any discussion?

[2:47:54] Chair Fast: Okay.

[2:47:55] Chair Fast: Okay, then I'm going to call the question. All those in favor? Aye.

[2:47:58] Chair Fast: Aye.

[2:47:59] Chair Fast: Aye. Three hands went up. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

[2:48:03] Chair Fast: And now we'll go back to the agenda for so.

[2:48:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:48:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): Help with this. We're going to need another resolution to capture 5, 6, and 7 in the staff report.

[2:48:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:48:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): That got missed.

[2:48:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): Raising

[2:48:25] Chair Fast: it up to the word before

[2:48:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): 5 and 6.

[2:48:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): yeah

[2:48:28] Voice 8: or

[2:48:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): sorry yeah four five and six do you willing to go in here

[2:48:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh so i'll move the

[2:48:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): deminol security bottle number 242 cited as deminol's land use file in 2008

[2:48:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): amendment number one 2021 the amended as follows

[2:48:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): As follows, numbering, should we number one, two, three then?

[2:48:57] Voice 16: Yes.

[2:48:58] Voice 16: That's fine.

[2:48:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah.

[2:49:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): One, section 1.22, lines five and six, be amended by adding the words, quote, and water

[2:49:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): cisterns, close quote, after, quote, solar array, close quote.

[2:49:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): 2. Section 2, plan number 1, subject area text be amended to read, quote, from commercial C to affordable housing, dash, R4, bracket 1, close quote.

[2:49:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): Affordable rental housing, sorry.

[2:49:34] Planner Zupanec (probable): Oh, sorry, yes.

[2:49:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): That was

[2:49:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): a little pointy, that word.

[2:49:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): That's perfect. Affordable rental housing.

[2:49:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): 3. Section 2, Plan No. 2. Subject area text be amended to read, quote, from Rural 2, R2, 2, Rural 2, bracket 8, dash, R2, bracket 8. Close quote.

[2:50:04] Chair Fast: I will second that. Thank you. Any more discussion? Okay. All those in favor?

[2:50:11] Chair Fast: Three nines went up. That passes. Thank you. Go ahead.

[2:50:14] Chair Fast: I'll

[2:50:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By-law number 242 cited as Denman Island Land Use By-law 2008 and number 1 of 2021 be given first reading as amended.

[2:50:27] Chair Fast: Second. Thank you. So now we're into the Land Use By-law. We're giving first reading as amended. Any discussion? Okay. All those in favour?

[2:50:39] Chair Fast: Aye.

[2:50:40] Chair Fast: That passes unanimously. Thank you. Next slide.

[2:50:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll move that the John Long Local Trust Committee endorse the draft restrictive covenant for 1151 Northwest Road DERZ2021.1 as per attachment 3 of the staff report for inclusion in a future public hearing package.

[2:51:04] Chair Fast: Thank you. Second? Yeah. Okay, great. I've got a motion moved and seconded about the covenant. Any discussion?

[2:51:11] Chair Fast: question? Okay, I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[2:51:15] Chair Fast: 9-2-3. That passes unanimously.

[2:51:19] Chair Fast: Thank you very much. Is there any other extending

[2:51:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): business? Go ahead.

[2:51:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I would like to move that the Denman on the Local Trust Committee request staff

[2:51:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to set up a special meeting for late April,

[2:51:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): early May to consider

[2:51:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): further steps in the Denman Green rezoning.

[2:51:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Electronics? Electronics.

[2:51:44] Chair Fast: Thank you. That was my question too. Okay, motion moved and seconded.

[2:51:49] Chair Fast: And I'm not seeing any twitches from the applicants and co-applicants over there.

[2:51:54] Chair Fast: So I'm wondering if there's any other discussion. Call the question. All those in favour?

[2:52:05] Chair Fast: Okay, thank you. That passes unanimously. Very good. Any further business?

[2:52:10] Chair Fast: Yeah,

[2:52:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): so I would just ask, would you like a resolution that would request the

[2:52:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): Freshwater Specialist to produce a report or comments.

[2:52:27] Chair Fast: I don't know if that will help.

[2:52:29] Chair Fast: I'm hearing that she's not requesting it.

[2:52:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, all right.

[2:52:35] Chair Fast: Okay, yeah. Let us know if that

[2:52:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): changes. That will be the intent of the next meeting. You're getting an Island

[2:52:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): stress policy statement checklist with an analysis of whether it meets with as much

[2:52:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): technical advice as I can provide information from our freshwater specialists it will be done anyway

[2:52:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): whether or not it's in my report or a separate report that's that's what your resolution would

[2:53:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): be saying is that you're you wouldn't be satisfied with it being embedded in my own

[2:53:05] Planner Zupanec (probable): staff report to you that you would want a separate report which may or may not meet

[2:53:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): the timeline of your next meeting so leave it with me we'll do the best we can to make sure you have

[2:53:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): enough information to review the site if you're ready okay

[2:53:19] Chair Fast: and i'm just looking at my guidelines

[2:53:23] Chair Fast: for public participation and after the lpc makes a decision uh the applicant can ask questions about

[2:53:30] Chair Fast: the decision or ask any next steps any questions now

[2:53:34] Voice 13: i think we can work well with the planner on

[2:53:36] Voice 13: getting the information that she needs to make the most satisfactory staff report for the special meeting. Thank you.

[2:53:44] Very good. So I'm hearing...

[2:53:46] Chair Fast: Oh, there's a question. Go ahead, Mr. Green.

[2:53:48] Voice 12: I was paying attention to your reading, but I didn't see your text.

[2:53:53] Voice 12: I will send

[2:53:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): it to you.

[2:53:55] Voice 12: So, did you amend specific section of R2A.4 from 30 meters to 6 meters?

[2:54:09] Voice 12: Correct.

[2:54:14] Chair Fast: Thank you very much.

[2:54:15] Chair Fast: We're going to move on now.

[2:54:18] Chair Fast: So thank you very much, applicants and staff.

[2:54:22] Chair Fast: We're going to come now to get ready for our next people.

[2:54:27] Chair Fast: I hope you're back.

[2:54:29] Chair Fast: Not yet, not yet. Oh no, we've got another few minutes. Okay, so that gives me a chance to...

[2:54:39] Chair Fast: Thank

[2:54:39] Voice 8: you very much.

[2:54:39] Chair Fast: Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you.

[2:54:42] Chair Fast: I'm just going to make sure this is still... I can provide a report on the fourth period.

[2:54:49] Chair Fast: That would be great. So this is, this is, which part of the... 9.3. Right, okay, very good.

[2:54:59] Chair Fast: it. Let's do that now. Thank you.

[2:55:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): So just to let you know that the bylaws were finally returned

[2:55:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): from the ministry's office and approved. Oh good. And there was a quite a lengthy delay

[2:55:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): much longer than we had ever anticipated considering this was for a housing. Yeah by laws

[2:55:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so those came back two weeks ago now. So we advised the applicant that we were ready to proceed and we've been asked to not bring forward those files for your consideration.

[2:55:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the file is still open. And possibly another update at your next regular business meeting.

[2:55:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sorry, you're looking at my face and I'm like, can you share, is there a reason that the

[2:55:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): applicant doesn't want the final to come through?

[2:55:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, they're not

[2:55:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): prepared at this time to share that reason publicly, but they do need

[2:55:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): some more time.

[2:56:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay.

[2:56:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): So they'll ask that we not present them for final adoption.

[2:56:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): So, you know, we're not holding them back any further.

[2:56:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah.

[2:56:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I

[2:56:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): guess, yeah, like

[2:56:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's, obviously we will honor that, but like it's in the interest of the community that those

[2:56:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bylaws go ahead, so I certainly, I assume they have good reason to do that.

[2:56:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, that's great, let's just,

[2:56:24] Chair Fast: let's just feel

[2:56:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): good about the, I just want to question,

[2:56:30] Chair Fast: yes, I'm happy

[2:56:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): about the ministry,

[2:56:31] Chair Fast: and I understand

[2:56:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the reasons for it, but how long was it at the ministry? Do you know offhand how many months?

[2:56:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, almost nine.

[2:56:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[2:56:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay,

[2:56:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): almost nine, and

[2:56:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): yeah, because we're post-doca caring,

[2:56:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): I wonder how much...

[2:56:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): We don't

[2:56:48] Chair Fast: have to say anything else.

[2:56:50] Chair Fast: I

[2:56:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): think we should

[2:56:51] Chair Fast: stop there. That's your update, right?

[2:56:53] Chair Fast: Okay, here

[2:56:54] Chair Fast: come the next

[2:56:55] Chair Fast: set of people.

[2:57:02] Chair Fast: Yeah, come on up to

[2:57:03] Chair Fast: the front if you'd like.

[2:57:04] Chair Fast: um sit somewhere where you're comfortable sure we can sit there and uh think that we've we've

[2:57:17] Chair Fast: just dealt with if you want to put check marks we just dealt with uh 9.3 before you came in

[2:57:22] Chair Fast: because we got we caught up so now we're on item 9.2 and this is uh uh on it starts on page 112

[2:57:33] Chair Fast: of our agenda so just a second here while we we're dealing with emails and other things this

[2:57:39] Chair Fast: is being funded my way we could get the planner to start with a quick update yeah

[2:57:44] Planner Zupanec (probable): yes could you

[2:57:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): please go ahead sure so this is a report from our planner who's unavailable today so i'll be

[2:57:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): presenting on her behalf this is an agricultural land reserve referral application to the local

[2:57:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): trust committee so it's a referral to you um to permit what the agricultural land commission

[2:58:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): and calls a non-adhering residential use, so the acronym for that is NARU, A-R-U.

[2:58:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): The subject property, and the applicant or owner is here to speak to this,

[2:58:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): is zoned A13 in your land use file, and permits a maximum of four principal single-family dwelling units on that lot,

[2:58:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): and there are currently four such dwelling units already constructed.

[2:58:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the applicant is the owner of one of those dwellings, the civic address is 3592, it's

[2:58:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): Northwest Road, and she's seeking permission from the Agricultural Land Commission to remove

[2:58:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): the current home and studio and replace it with a new one in the same general location.

[2:58:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so through that process is what triggers this application with the ALC.

[2:58:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): see. So the current development is approximately 125 square meters, two bedrooms plus a studio

[2:58:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the proposed development would be slightly larger, 130 square meters for the new home

[2:59:04] Planner Zupanec (probable): plus a studio. So the approximate total is estimated to be approximately 165 square meters.

[2:59:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): Is that correct? Okay, well that's what the

[2:59:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): analysis was in the report, so we'll go with that.

[2:59:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): So through the staff analysis of the proposal,

[2:59:24] Planner Zupanec (probable): it appears that this is consistent with the objectives

[2:59:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the policies of your own Dunman Official Community Plan

[2:59:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): and the Land Use By-law already permits that fourth density.

[2:59:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): So staff is recommending that the application be forwarded

[2:59:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): to the Agricultural Land Commission

[2:59:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): with any supporting comments in your resolution if you wish,

[2:59:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that the ALC can then conduct their own review

[2:59:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): and render a final decision about whether or not the proposal meets their requirements,

[2:59:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): since this is a multi-jurisdictional piece, and that would be the ALR.

[3:00:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): regulations so should the agricultural land commission decide to permit the replacement

[3:00:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): of the dwelling upon receiving confirmation of that the islands trust staff will inform

[3:00:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): the applicant that they need to apply for a site and use permit which is standard practice

[3:00:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): for the new dwelling studio and they may need a development permit

[3:00:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): for the proposed new development it looks like it might fall within development permit

[3:00:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that is the update on the report that's before you. If you have any questions, I'll sure try to answer them because the planner is not available.

[3:00:37] Chair Fast: Yes, the planner was available until 1245. Go ahead, questions for the planner.

[3:00:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): Sure, so I notice that we can put various comments in and we don't have anything in the comments as drafted that relates to the size of the replacement home.

[3:00:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): home. I will say off the top I'm very disposed towards this application and it's my sympathies

[3:01:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): for the problems you've encountered with this place and it's considering its age and so

[3:01:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): forth. And it is mentioned that 130 square meters would be the size approximately of

[3:01:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): the replacement which is only a tiny bit larger than the existing one. But would it be appropriate

[3:01:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): in our comments to include some reference to the size of the replacement home.

[3:01:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): This is for the planner.

[3:01:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): Or does the Agricultural Land Commission put that into there?

[3:01:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): I think I will leave that to the ALC, unless there was a concern from the local trust committee

[3:01:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): that the size would need to be restricted by the

[3:01:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): Agricultural Land Commission, then you would get that specific.

[3:01:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): otherwise it would appear if you're adding that in there that there would be a concern so you would

[3:01:51] Planner Zupanec (probable): need to clarify what the the issue is because there's no regular you know if they meet the

[3:02:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): lot coverage for the parcel and the setbacks there's no dwelling specific regulation for the

[3:02:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): floor area

[3:02:08] Voice 8: at

[3:02:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): this point in time so it's not really in your we don't have

[3:02:14] Chair Fast: our rules to be

[3:02:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): concern about that piece, whereas the ALC can do that if they so choose. Okay. Thank

[3:02:21] Chair Fast: you. Any more questions for the planner?

[3:02:24] Chair Fast: No? Okay, thanks. Now you have an opportunity if you would like, as the applicant, if there's something you want to add to the planner's

[3:02:33] Chair Fast: statements or if there's anything that you want to say, you can say it.

[3:02:39] Chair Fast: you don't have to

[3:02:42] Chair Fast: I don't

[3:02:43] my understanding is

[3:02:46] that they have

[3:02:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): stricter guidelines

[3:02:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay,

[3:03:01] Chair Fast: no, stand by

[3:03:08] Chair Fast: we have to make a decision

[3:03:10] Chair Fast: that's an exciting part

[3:03:11] Voice 8: we

[3:03:12] Chair Fast: haven't, we've been just

[3:03:13] Chair Fast: making sure that our lines are clear

[3:03:16] Chair Fast: and we have the clear information

[3:03:17] Chair Fast: we are all understanding the same thing

[3:03:20] Chair Fast: so if there's no more

[3:03:22] Chair Fast: questions for the planner

[3:03:23] Chair Fast: or the applicant

[3:03:24] Chair Fast: it then uh i'll entertain motions

[3:03:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um we'll go ahead you

[3:03:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): did a whole bunch of people last time

[3:03:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i move that the demin island local trust committee requests staff to forward d-e-a-l-r 2022.1 to the

[3:03:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): agricultural land commission with the following comments the denman island local trust committee

[3:03:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): finds d-e-a-l-r 2022.1 to be consistent with the objectives and policies of the denman island

[3:03:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): official community plan and denman island land use bylaw regulations and so deems the application to

[3:03:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meet the criteria necessary to warrant consideration by the commission for non-enduring residential use

[3:04:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): thank you thank you so we've got a motion moved

[3:04:03] Chair Fast: and seconded uh any more discussion any discussion

[3:04:08] Chair Fast: okay then i'll call the question all those in favor all right one two three hands go up that

[3:04:14] Chair Fast: motion passes and uh so that's what we're going to staff will now uh send this little comment

[3:04:22] Chair Fast: that's in on the piece of paper to the agricultural land commission just as it's laid out in the report

[3:04:27] Chair Fast: we have as the local trust committee passed that motion okay okay thank you for that plan

[3:04:38] Chair Fast: okay thank you good thanks all right now we're on uh 10.1 this starts discussion uh here

[3:04:54] Chair Fast: Yearly contentment housing and short-term rentals review project for discussion.

[3:04:58] Chair Fast: We don't have a page number on this one.

[3:05:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): No, we decided in post-trust council because you received confirmation of funding to the tune of $13,500 for this project

[3:05:10] Planner Zupanec (probable): that you might want to have this on agenda today to publicly acknowledge that that was approved

[3:05:15] Planner Zupanec (probable): approved and that this initiates now the next steps for direction on how you wish to proceed

[3:05:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): with the housing project for Dunham Island in this fiscal year with those limited funds

[3:05:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): but funds nevertheless and one of the options knowing that there's not a lot of time for

[3:05:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): you to discuss today but in terms of your next meeting in May is that that would be

[3:05:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): a good opportunity for you to review some sort of a draft framework at least of what

[3:05:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): that project could entail so perhaps today you're ready based on the delegations you've heard or the

[3:05:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): input that you've received over the last several years as to what elements you wish to have

[3:05:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): included in this targeted project that we can bring forward in a framework for your review and

[3:06:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): you know broader community input for the main meeting and then you can launch that

[3:06:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): project either for the regional planning team or through our current sort of planning staff resources it's unclear as of yesterday when I asked for some direction on this who does this work for you it could be a consultant that undertakes the work and works with a specific task force or your advisory commission whatever framework you decide is going to address the issues best and what we can do for your main meeting is at least prepare that first document that

[3:06:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): that lays out sort of the objectives and the scope of this project, and maybe get better clarity on who's capable of sort of overseeing that,

[3:06:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): so that you can get going before the summer season gets too far along.

[3:06:58] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay. Go ahead Dusty Critchin.

[3:07:03] Chair Fast: I

[3:07:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): don't know where it is now, but didn't I see something in here that actually has the outline of...

[3:07:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's

[3:07:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): on the top priorities

[3:07:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): report, 262.

[3:07:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 262.

[3:07:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 262. I mean it's not, I'll just be careful about it.

[3:07:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Page 262, yeah.

[3:07:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, because ours, thank you, but they just have to get that from you.

[3:07:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's number two on the top priorities.

[3:07:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): And that was the basis of getting the funding

[3:07:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): approval from just council was that top priority description through the business case.

[3:07:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): Right, so that had...

[3:07:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): You can't see it from that, but I can have you get a little bit more specific.

[3:07:42] Chair Fast: Yes, in the business case, if anybody wants to look at it, it has more detail of what we plan to do.

[3:07:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): Okay.

[3:07:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I was just wondering if, so we have this as kind of a master plan.

[3:07:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes, it has to be filled out, fleshed out, I suppose.

[3:08:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): But are we in a position to be able to start seeking the engagement of a consultant?

[3:08:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): because didn't we get as much money for a consultant because we perceived that staff didn't have sufficient time to be able to do this?

[3:08:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, that's right.

[3:08:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): Unless

[3:08:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): anything's changed.

[3:08:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): The timing of the business case is from last year, last fall.

[3:08:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): So unless the circumstances have changed, I think you have some leverage and flexibility to have the budget to do as you've been as long as it's still within that frame.

[3:08:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): But I think the understanding is that it would be used to ensure that you had a lead consultant to work with the community on bringing back

[3:08:39] Planner Zupanec (probable): specific changes to your official community plan or land use plan that would address housing the short-term vacation rental.

[3:08:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): Right, and of the money that we have, how much of it could realistically go to a consultant then?

[3:08:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): because we recognize we need some money for expenses, although maybe we can take it out on other things.

[3:09:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): I don't know,

[3:09:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): community engagement, we need to rent a hall, we need advertising, so forth.

[3:09:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): So first of all, identifying what we have to play with, so to speak. Maybe I shouldn't use that word.

[3:09:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): But then could we not get on to soliciting a consultant?

[3:09:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): I don't know whether that's done through the Northern office or Victoria or...

[3:09:25] Voice 16: That's

[3:09:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): a good question.

[3:09:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): How do we get, because I'm like, you know, time flies and if we couldn't, you know, just get on to at least getting somebody in place,

[3:09:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): then they can carry the ball, you know, in terms of finessing the questions and what we're looking for.

[3:09:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): What would that person be the person to do that, rather than you or other staff?

[3:09:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yes, so usually the next step is a project charter.

[3:09:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): You endorse that project charter that lays out the work plan and actually specifies how much of the money is going to a consultant

[3:10:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): versus how much of the money is available for other purposes to ensure that you've got, in this case, it wouldn't be by-law.

[3:10:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): And this, that would be included in that budget. It would just be the first phase of ensuring that you've got the information to enable draft bylaws to be drafted because there's clarity on which elements need to be changed.

[3:10:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that project charter is likely a first step to inform the request for proposals, which I think is...

[3:10:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'm not sure there's an ability to do any direct award or anything like that with this amount.

[3:10:42] Planner Zupanec (probable): I'm not sure what that amount would be, but it likely would be $5,000.

[3:10:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): A large chunk of that $13,000 would need to be retained for whoever is leading the project outside of the trust.

[3:10:55] Planner Zupanec (probable): And then again, I wish I could give you clarity that the regional planning team has capacity because then you could use all that money towards

[3:11:01] Planner Zupanec (probable): is a different approach of engagement with the community or something like that but as of

[3:11:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): yesterday we still have no clue how this is playing out so perhaps for your main meeting

[3:11:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): a project charter with that clarity of here's the steps to initiate a consultant's approach

[3:11:22] Planner Zupanec (probable): could be initiated

[3:11:24] Chair Fast: at that point that sounds good i've got a question about one of the items that's

[3:11:31] Chair Fast: here on to page 262 did you want to go ahead first sure

[3:11:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that might clear it up um a couple

[3:11:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): things i believe that the i'm pretty sure that the project charter that went forward and was

[3:11:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): adopted by the budget didn't include anything here about the home occupations and that this actually

[3:11:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): was put aside to keep this really focused on housing um and that it just hasn't gotten the

[3:11:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): paperwork isn't all caught up but i'm i'm like very sure that this is a it is not a housing

[3:12:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well here it says housing and short-term rentals and then here it's got a whole piece of home

[3:12:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): occupations i'm pretty sure that's not part of it so and i don't think we even need a resolution

[3:12:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because i think if you look at the business case it's housing we might fit in the very last point

[3:12:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in the projects list about the visitor accommodation more as a housekeeping item

[3:12:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): item but it just really there's plenty to do with housing um plenty um so that's just one point and

[3:12:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um i i think yeah i would like us to move ahead right away but i think we don't have time today

[3:12:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to flesh this out and we aren't necessarily ready and what i'd love to see for may is maybe a

[3:12:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a draft project charter or just a

[3:12:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): kind of a project charter with like menu type approach

[3:12:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I think it would be good for all of us ahead of time to get the business case to create this.

[3:13:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Heather Carr did a paper we asked her to do about housing.

[3:13:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I had submitted quite a long paper about housing, too, because I've been involved with it for over 20 years on Dem.

[3:13:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I would love to see that both of those just put out again so that we could look at them to inform us.

[3:13:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and then what I'd love to see is a projector and just to jump a little bit

[3:13:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): into it some of the things I would like to see us consider would be to consider

[3:13:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a distributed square footage or similar approach according to the main island

[3:13:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): project, and Arisa Chappell can tell you all about that, and she's another planner, and so using performance-based measures,

[3:13:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): these are all planning terms, so I'd like to see us consider that, and that's where you certainly got up to like 4,000 square feet to build a home on Denman,

[3:14:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and there are, we can designate zones, this is what they're doing on main, where instead of having one main home, you might have three little ones,

[3:14:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but you can't, you have to, usually you measure impacts rather than densities in the classic way of measuring densities.

[3:14:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I think that could be something that has some benefit to look at here.

[3:14:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Reviewing secondary dwellings, generally that's suites and cottages both.

[3:14:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think we can look at allowing suites not just in R2, but in all properties over a certain size.

[3:14:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I know they exist already. Other things to look at would be changing the zoning in the downtown village centre,

[3:14:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): which is all going to depend on water and sewage, but to allow some densification,

[3:14:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and that really dates back to the downtown planning process we had and

[3:15:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): discussions I've had with planners and best planning processes in order to increase

[3:15:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): density also to consider creating a community housing zone since there's

[3:15:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): many options for how to do that but we could actually try and designate what

[3:15:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): properties would allow multiple dwellings we could look at having a

[3:15:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): supportive zoning for a tiny home village or, dare I say it, a trailer park, which is

[3:15:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): actually more and more a viable affordable housing approach.

[3:15:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I know that there's some social concerns about it, but it might be something to look at.

[3:15:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And that's all.

[3:15:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Those are the only things I think we should look at.

[3:15:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Absolutely, and well, I think other things are in here already, yeah.

[3:16:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you.

[3:16:06] Chair Fast: I just moved the camera because I just wanted everybody to know that it was Laura Verschicken

[3:16:10] Chair Fast: saying that and just thought the camera had moved.

[3:16:13] Chair Fast: Okay, thank you.

[3:16:17] Chair Fast: I give you a hard time trying to think of where those letters were and that kind of thing,

[3:16:22] Chair Fast: so we'll have them up.

[3:16:26] Chair Fast: Would I be correct in saying that one of the first things we should do is call it, is take short-term rentals out of the title of this item, like there at 10.1?

[3:16:39] Chair Fast: Yes.

[3:16:39] Chair Fast: Yeah, short-term rentals, it's not, should we say this is not short-term vacation rentals?

[3:16:47] Chair Fast: Yes.

[3:16:47] Chair Fast: Okay, so if we

[3:16:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): could be specific.

[3:16:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, the

[3:16:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): project charter that got passed in the budget doesn't say that, so we

[3:16:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): can maybe go with that name.

[3:16:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And when we get a project charter, we might finesse the name.

[3:16:59] Chair Fast: I just thought this was confusing to me. I'm

[3:17:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not

[3:17:03] Chair Fast: sure what it is.

[3:17:04] Chair Fast: Okay, good. Thank you.

[3:17:06] Chair Fast: Any other comments here? Go ahead, David.

[3:17:10] Chair Fast: I

[3:17:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): wish we could get something going beforehand, but I guess we just can't, so we're stuck with that.

[3:17:18] Chair Fast: We kind of need to set a framework and we've had input from the public and we've talked about it at Trust Council and we know that there's some funding for another housing study coming from the Comox Valley Regional District, so maybe these things will coincide, I don't know whether that's going to be part of this but it might inform it during the process, would that be right?

[3:17:47] Chair Fast: do we have do you need specific uh instructions from us or is this a resolution to prepare the

[3:17:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): draft um project based on the business case that's sufficient yeah make sure that you've got all the

[3:17:59] Planner Zupanec (probable): information you need plus some clarity on saver okay uh to support the project moving forward

[3:18:05] hopefully yeah okay so that she can okay all

[3:18:10] Chair Fast: right so who would like to make that motion

[3:18:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): Sure, I'll take a crack at it. So I'll move the Demidon Local Trust Committee request down to prepare a project charter with respect to the, oops.

[3:18:30] Chair Fast: Denman Housing?

[3:18:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, with respect to Denman Housing. Sorry, Denman, I was just looking at an LUB review for housing. Good discussion.

[3:18:46] Chair Fast: Good. Do I have a second? Or do you want to say for the outcome of the second? Great, I think she's got that.

[3:18:52] Chair Fast: And so, any

[3:18:55] Chair Fast: more discussion, or do you want to, would it be helpful to add for the upcoming meeting, or is that, we're going to go with that, okay?

[3:19:02] That's a good one, for sure.

[3:19:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[3:19:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Just to, I'm sure this is, I'm going to raise some eyebrows, but if that could be pulled together, sorry, I'm laughing at myself, but I'm actually serious, like, we've organized a potential special meeting.

[3:19:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I should probably have a good idea. You know what I'm going to say. To deal with Devon Housing Association, there could be a second topic there.

[3:19:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, okay.

[3:19:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): You know why? Because you already have the bulk of the work done as part of the business case.

[3:19:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): This

[3:19:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): isn't the bigger part of the work. Okay. I'm glad I didn't

[3:19:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): say that too hard on myself.

[3:19:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Don't stand back. Okay, drink big.

[3:19:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so

[3:19:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): we won't

[3:19:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): put a date on it and we'll just but we've had this discussion and if you can pull it

[3:19:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): together we can get it it'll be a two-part meeting and um and then we'll be maybe ready

[3:20:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and made it yeah start next four words okay

[3:20:05] Chair Fast: so that's uh

[3:20:06] Chair Fast: that's terrific it sounds like

[3:20:08] Chair Fast: what she needs there and then i'm going to call the question almost in favor

[3:20:13] Chair Fast: Aye. Very good. Three minutes went up, that passes. Thank you. That's actually about the changes

[3:20:20] Chair Fast: to the official community plan and changes to the

[3:20:23] Voice 4: land use by-law.

[3:20:24] Voice 4: Is it going to involve those who are in native housing? Is that

[3:20:28] Voice 4: charter going to include us or are we excluded again?

[3:20:32] Voice 4: We'll

[3:20:33] Chair Fast: see what the draft charter comes up with so watch for what the meetings are.

[3:20:38] Chair Fast: are. Okay, now we're going to move on to correspondence. So this is, oops, I've got it, sorry, I've

[3:20:51] Chair Fast: got to wake up my computer. We're going to move on to 11.1, which is our email from Rianne

[3:20:58] Chair Fast: De Silva. So we've got a letter here, and this is related to her resolution, or sorry,

[3:21:05] Chair Fast: delegation today and then um is there anything from among these letters uh and then we've got 11.5

[3:21:13] Chair Fast: we've added with the letter about crown land also uh

[3:21:17] Voice 4: i'm sorry it's not related to today's

[3:21:19] Voice 4: delegation that's asking about the standing resolution right resolution because it's very

[3:21:24] Voice 4: confusing right now right okay yes

[3:21:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 133. i'm i'm getting prepared to do that when we get to the

[3:21:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): standing resolution. Oh okay because we

[3:21:34] Chair Fast: have so trustees have read your letters

[3:21:38] Chair Fast: and it sounds like there's something else coming in the in the agenda when we

[3:21:43] Chair Fast: get down to standing resolutions which is 13.4 on the agenda so we stand by and

[3:21:52] Chair Fast: anything the trustees wish to speak to any of these letters in specific we

[3:21:58] Chair Fast: Do we want to do anything about 11.2, or 11.4, or 11.5?

[3:22:05] Chair Fast: We're starting on page 133 now, 137.

[3:22:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Go ahead.

[3:22:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, people are

[3:22:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): making requests of us.

[3:22:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 11.3, I'm wondering if we could just write a simple letter

[3:22:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to Raina LeBaron from the Heron Executive,

[3:22:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): saying that we support their request for a clearer signage of Huckley Bay?

[3:22:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We could. Okay, I'm going

[3:22:37] Chair Fast: to weigh in on this one.

[3:22:38] Chair Fast: Okay.

[3:22:39] Chair Fast: I checked into this a little bit because, of course, the same request that went to the Rumbion Local Trust Committee,

[3:22:44] Chair Fast: and we've had a couple of discussions there, and I'm the chair of that local trust committee as well.

[3:22:52] Chair Fast: And Trustee Allen has photos of the old signs that used to be there, if anybody wants to see them.

[3:23:01] Chair Fast: I did a little bit of looking around, and

[3:23:04] Chair Fast: we have two things that are sort of policy.

[3:23:09] Chair Fast: One of them is in our reconciliation declaration,

[3:23:13] Voice 8: where

[3:23:14] Chair Fast: it talks about including First Nations acknowledgement on signs.

[3:23:21] Chair Fast: signs and we also have a draft communications plan that I've submitted some comments about

[3:23:31] Chair Fast: where it talks about goals of the signs and so I'm not sure what I mean it's just a draft

[3:23:44] Chair Fast: but I will say that with those two things and then I'm going to add something from my

[3:23:50] Chair Fast: which is that things for visitors, in terms of planning their trip, have changed.

[3:23:57] Chair Fast: So by the time most visitors arrive, they will have planned their trip using online resources,

[3:24:09] Chair Fast: and then a sign when they're actually walked into the line at the ferry or arriving,

[3:24:15] Chair Fast: sorry, they've already paid their fare, and I don't think that might be the best use of sign real estate.

[3:24:26] Chair Fast: The second thing, and then the other part of that, is that signage at ferry terminals,

[3:24:32] Chair Fast: and I'm going to call on my Bowen Island experience a little bit here,

[3:24:36] Chair Fast: is challenging because there are relationships that need to be built,

[3:24:41] Chair Fast: boats and with First Nations and with BC fairies and whoever owns the land where the sign would

[3:24:49] Chair Fast: go on, which is not always BC fairies, so it's complicated and in the time since that

[3:24:57] Chair Fast: sign was up,

[3:24:58] Voice 5: we

[3:25:00] Chair Fast: have adopted some things like the First Nations Reconciliation Declaration

[3:25:09] Chair Fast: and that kind of thing. So, I don't know if we should just be supporting it. I think we might want to...

[3:25:16] Chair Fast: Yeah,

[3:25:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): no, thank you. You convinced me. That's a

[3:25:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): really good point. I hadn't

[3:25:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): thought about it in that much detail.

[3:25:23] Chair Fast: Yeah, well, I've been thinking about it a little bit. I'm just

[3:25:25] Chair Fast: thinking we might leave it up to the Hornby folks to deal with this particular request.

[3:25:32] Chair Fast: That's what I would invite everybody to think about. You know, I went by today and there is a sign there that says

[3:25:40] Chair Fast: Heart of the Islands Trust, and the sign that's there. But in the future, what might that sign be through those

[3:25:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): lenses that I just talked about?

[3:25:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We've had a lot of attempts and discussions at getting signage there. It's become, it's very complicated.

[3:25:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): That's why I thought for a community group to do it might be easier than for us to do it.

[3:25:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but I don't want to get into it now. It's just there's been, as I think you

[3:26:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): remember, attempts to get a new sign and it is actually quite complicated.

[3:26:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): You wouldn't think so.

[3:26:11] Chair Fast: I did send an email also to our senior

[3:26:16] Chair Fast: regional governmental advisor. His was back a couple of months ago now, and she was helpful and

[3:26:25] Chair Fast: and I'm confident to help with it.

[3:26:27] Chair Fast: So I think if I take it to the Lanky side,

[3:26:29] Chair Fast: that might be the best at this point.

[3:26:31] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[3:26:32] Chair Fast: And if this committee would like input, I can bring it back.

[3:26:36] Chair Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Critchie.

[3:26:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, just to state for people in attendance

[3:26:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): of the record, it's been an ongoing issue ever since BC

[3:26:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): Ferries moved the existing sign that the Onyx Trust had that

[3:26:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): was fairly prominently displayed on the washroom.

[3:26:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): So you can see, they without consultation or by your leave moved it to a place in the back of the lot where even I, looking for it, had trouble finding it.

[3:27:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): But that needed to be updated in any event, you know, there's no reference to First Nations, etc.

[3:27:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): It's been in process for, I would say, at least three years that we have been trying to get this in place.

[3:27:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): I had a place picked out on that same building that was approved by BC Ferries at a ferry advisory committee meeting.

[3:27:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): It went, the dimensions of the sign were given to our trust staff for communications.

[3:27:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think since then we've gone through maybe three or four different communications personnel.

[3:27:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): It was passed to our Indigenous Relations person because, and then it became a big project because

[3:27:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because we then wanted to have uniformity vis-a-vis First Nations, and we're dealing with 35 First Nations in the trust area.

[3:27:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): So from being a relatively simple project, it's exploded into this nightmare.

[3:28:03] Chair Fast: Well, in my professional experience, a simple small sign, talking about others, acknowledging who and involving real estate on other people's, other corporations' buildings and stuff,

[3:28:17] Chair Fast: is never a simple project. It just looks simple, and they're a

[3:28:23] Chair Fast: big part of the project.

[3:28:25] Chair Fast: What I'm hearing,

[3:28:25] Chair Fast: thank you, this is helpful to me because as chair of both committees, then I'll keep you both informed,

[3:28:31] Chair Fast: and Lisa's away on leave currently, but she, our senior governmental advisor, returns.

[3:28:38] Chair Fast: We can, she will have a taste of this and I will, because there's many different things that could be done.

[3:28:47] Chair Fast: And by the time and effort that can go into one of these things, I'm looking for a quick way forward and I haven't found yet, but I may soon.

[3:28:59] Chair Fast: Okay, so we're just not going to do anything about that one at the moment. Is that what I'm hearing?

[3:29:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): Sounds like yes.

[3:29:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes. Alright.

[3:29:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): On the previous one that was the BC Association of Farmers' Markets, I don't know anything much about this.

[3:29:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): is it sounded kind of worthy, you know, that they've distributed, what, redeemed, I can't read it too well,

[3:29:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): but I think it was $6,800 from local farmers out to a 10-mile-a-week farmer market,

[3:29:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): and they're seeking a letter of support for automated funding.

[3:29:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): Does that seem like a reasonable thing, unless people have some inside knowledge here?

[3:29:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, I just, for the record, I need to declare, I think it's a bias.

[3:29:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I don't think I have a conflict of interest, but I'm the farmers market coordinator on Denman

[3:29:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And so I actually deal with this and it is a fantastic program like they bring the money into the community

[3:29:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's not too hard to administer it goes to

[3:29:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): families elders pregnant

[3:30:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): people um and it goes and they can use the coupons to get fresh produce so it supports farmers as

[3:30:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well it's just a great government program so i i would it would be great if we could write a brief

[3:30:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): letter um you know and my my bias is pretty minimal really because it doesn't affect me

[3:30:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): personally you're you're a volunteer no no it's a paid job right but but i i mean i have a paid

[3:30:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): job whether there's a coupon program or not so i gotta change my my world but i just i like to be

[3:30:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): up front about the interconnections i have within the community so um you know if we wanted to just

[3:30:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): write one paragraph saying i think this is a great project and i just i don't think i should

[3:30:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): be the one to drop that out okay

[3:30:45] Chair Fast: sure okay if the committee wants me to so why don't we uh

[3:30:49] Chair Fast: i'm hearing that we uh i move uh that the chair write a letter to the um

[3:30:55] Chair Fast: Minister of Health.

[3:30:56] Chair Fast: Minister of Health, Adrian Dix. Minister of Health, just be Minister of Health.

[3:31:03] Chair Fast: Supporting and thanking, thanking him for the participation in the BC, what's it called?

[3:31:12] Chair Fast: Farmer's Market.

[3:31:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): Nutrition Coupon Program.

[3:31:15] Chair Fast: Thank you. And supporting the program's participation on Denman Island, something like that.

[3:31:29] Chair Fast: Okay.

[3:31:31] I may not agree with something past a similar

[3:31:33] Planner Zupanec (probable): resolution, so Dan, chair Dan Rogers.

[3:31:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay.

[3:31:37] Planner Zupanec (probable): Similar lottery. Good. Thank you.

[3:31:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll second.

[3:31:40] Chair Fast: Thank you. Any more discussion?

[3:31:42] Chair Fast: No.

[3:31:43] Chair Fast: All in favour? Okay.

[3:31:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): Electro factories.

[3:31:58] Chair Fast: I put that on there just in case there was an issue about what the numbers. I saw that Salt Spring has several numbers in the census because the boundaries were in different places for the regional district and the local trust area.

[3:32:10] Chair Fast: I didn't know if there was an issue about that. If there's nothing and it's not bringing anything else to you then that's not even wrong.

[3:32:16] Chair Fast: No. Okay. And letter to Crownland, Dortham, Denham Conservancy Association. This is one that we just recently received, so it's not in the agenda, but you wanted to discuss this one. Go ahead, Trustee Crickley.

[3:32:33] Chair Fast: Oh, yes, thank you.

[3:32:39] Chair Fast: We received this in our email. It came

[3:32:41] Chair Fast: too late to get it into the agenda.

[3:32:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes, so...

[3:32:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): And

[3:32:49] Chair Fast: I think we received it as the Islands Trust Conservancy as well.

[3:32:55] Chair Fast: Right.

[3:32:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, just for those present, this arises out of a letter that the Local Trust Committee received from the Denman Conservatives, the association,

[3:33:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): alerting us to the issue of, I think it's four parcels of land that are on Denman that are Crown lands,

[3:33:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): but and they have been apparently indexed or noted in the records of Crown

[3:33:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): lands as being conservation lands but basically nobody's looking after them and

[3:33:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): so the Denver Conservancy Association's view is that it would be

[3:33:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): nice if Islands Trust Conservancy took these under its protective wing and

[3:33:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): and either acquire them directly from the Crown or at least take on a management role with respect to them.

[3:33:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, having that as the background, I've given this motion to staff.

[3:33:57] Chair Fast: Oh, hang on a sec.

[3:33:59] Chair Fast: Before you go on ahead with the motion, I just want to read you this, well, here we go.

[3:34:06] Chair Fast: An email from Kate Louise Stanford, who's the Chair of the Adams Trust Conservancy, as we were copying.

[3:34:11] Chair Fast: and she said, she writes to John of the same letter, because it's to the

[3:34:21] Chair Fast: Amnesty Trust Conservancy Board, is that right? Anyway, she writes, thank you John for

[3:34:26] Chair Fast: bringing these Denman properties to the attention of the ITC board. Amnesty Trust

[3:34:30] Chair Fast: Conservancy Board, I will ask staff to add your request and back-up materials to

[3:34:34] Chair Fast: our next board meeting May 24th for consideration of the Denman

[3:34:37] Chair Fast: Conservancy Association's request. So I just wanted to let them know that was going to be on the

[3:34:42] Chair Fast: Agenda of the Islands Trust Conservancy. Assuming that's the same letter from John Miller.

[3:34:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes. Okay,

[3:34:50] Trustee Critchley (probable): so in light of that, I move that the Chair write to Islands Trust Conservancy

[3:34:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): expressing support for the request of the Denman Island Conservancy Association

[3:35:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): by its letter of 17 March 2022 that certain crown parcels on Denman Island be acquired by the ITC

[3:35:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): or otherwise managed by it.

[3:35:14] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:35:17] Chair Fast: So you provided this to...

[3:35:19] Chair Fast: Good. So I have to...

[3:35:21] Chair Fast: That's good. Okay.

[3:35:23] Chair Fast: Okay. Great.

[3:35:26] Chair Fast: So second. Thank you.

[3:35:28] Chair Fast: Any other discussion?

[3:35:31] Chair Fast: Okay. Thank you.

[3:35:32] Chair Fast: Then I'll call the question on those in favor.

[3:35:34] Chair Fast: One, two, three hands go up. Thank you.

[3:35:36] Chair Fast: That passes.

[3:35:37] Chair Fast: On to 12.1, page 140.

[3:35:44] Chair Fast: This is Shoreline Report.

[3:35:46] Chair Fast: This is the discussion paper or draft for Shoreline. I think it's coming to all the local trust committees.

[3:36:02] Chair Fast: Oops, now I've got to get back to it.

[3:36:05] Chair Fast: Does anybody want to, are you speaking to this, Sonia?

[3:36:08] Chair Fast: Or, no, it's just here for, whether we wish to play

[3:36:11] Planner Zupanec (probable): anything with it.

[3:36:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): Yeah, you would add it to your project list if you're interested in that work.

[3:36:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I can say a few words because it comes from the Regional Planning Committee, which I'm the chair of, so this is

[3:36:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It says model by-law, but it isn't a model by-law. There seems to be ongoing confusion about that.

[3:36:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There was an idea to do a model by-law, but instead somehow it ended up as a report.

[3:36:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There's tons of great information in the report and if we want to take on a project to review our

[3:36:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): LWB and OCP

[3:36:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): be to better protect the language

[3:36:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): would be a fantastic thing to do then we should have a look

[3:36:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at this report on there's also a great report Sonia did some years ago for Liskiti that is

[3:36:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): more concise and more directed but the trust the trust context that we should always we should look

[3:37:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at if and when I would say we get on to this work and otherwise this really is just something that's

[3:37:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): here is a reference

[3:37:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and

[3:37:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay,

[3:37:15] Chair Fast: that's it, thanks for the

[3:37:17] Chair Fast: context there

[3:37:18] Chair Fast: I think we've got a lot of things on our list, did you have anything you wanted to say?

[3:37:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): Well, yeah, I'd like to preserve

[3:37:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): this in amber

[3:37:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): in a way, at least put it on

[3:37:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): our projects list, is that a reasonable

[3:37:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): thing to do?

[3:37:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): I do that in the knowledge that

[3:37:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): that's the place where projects go

[3:37:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): to die

[3:37:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): it's a parking lot

[3:37:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): but I think

[3:37:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): I mean, I was very excited to see this, but I'm just recognizing the realities that we're not going to be able to get onto it anytime soon, so having said that, I would just...

[3:37:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): Do

[3:37:53] Chair Fast: you want to say a word?

[3:37:54] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[3:37:54] Chair Fast: I just, I think it's a good idea to put it on the projects list and support a motion like that because I think we've heard over the past years from community groups on Denman who are concerned about the shorelines and the damage,

[3:38:08] Chair Fast: And I know that you're all debating sound form, which is also

[3:38:10] Chair Fast: concerned with the ecological impact of the marine parts of the island's trust, which are also important.

[3:38:19] Chair Fast: And so I just want to say that. Go ahead with your motion.

[3:38:23] Chair Fast: Yeah, thanks. And

[3:38:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): just by further background, too, that, of course, sea level rise and the erosion of our shorelines and the eagerness of private property owners to protect them by bringing up hard escaping and so forth,

[3:38:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): which causes all kinds of problems itself and sort of passes on issues to the neighbor and what not.

[3:38:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): I mean, that is, we're just on the very edge of that really becoming a problem.

[3:38:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): And we've had significant litigation on one of the other items where somebody, a property owner,

[3:38:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): asserted their alleged right as a riparian right and said that trumped the trust bylaws.

[3:39:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): us that went all the way to the court of appeal and now that argument was shot down so we the

[3:39:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): honest trust continues to have jurisdiction over this and can prevent property owners from building

[3:39:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): walls to protect their property ostensibly so it's kind of an important topic that we need to

[3:39:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): wrestle with and i think model laws or templates or so forth are very very useful for that purpose

[3:39:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I will move then that the shoreline protection model by-law report, no, just delete the report,

[3:39:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): shoreline protection model by-law be placed on the Denham Island Trust Canyon Projects List.

[3:39:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): Before

[3:39:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I second it, it's just like it actually isn't a model by-law, and you put slash discussion paper?

[3:40:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): How about shoreline, like, implementing recommendations in the da-da-da-da-da-da report?

[3:40:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): That's very precise, sorry.

[3:40:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Or something, or just shoreline protection project?

[3:40:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): Sure.

[3:40:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): Shoreline protection project.

[3:40:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[3:40:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay. And maybe, like, just thinking so we don't, as you say, we do preserve the report in amber, so to speak, referencing the name of it just in the description of that on the projects list. I don't think it has to be in the, in the, in the question. So why don't we just put it on the motion?

[3:40:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): good okay

[3:40:42] Chair Fast: so you've got the motion okay great and uh if we're all clear on that then second

[3:40:48] Chair Fast: thank you it's been seconded now and all in all in favor three hands go out thank you very much

[3:40:54] Chair Fast: adding to the projects listed all right and then um item 12.2 is uh it's a metal so um from uh

[3:41:09] Chair Fast: Trustee Boucher, 193 is the page number, and so this is basically giving us information and laying out the facts.

[3:41:19] Chair Fast: And

[3:41:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): did you want to speak to this, Trustee Boucher?

[3:41:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, it's not really from me.

[3:41:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's from, well, it's from Logan LaPointe, who's a lawyer, but, you know, and I kind of did a little bit of thinking about it in my conflict of interest, but there's no decision.

[3:41:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So this is just when we have an affordable housing project, it's governed by a housing agreement, and there has to be

[3:41:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): reporting. In this case, it's whenever a unit changes hands to make sure it's following all the protocols that keep it affordable.

[3:41:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Which in this case is it's an ownership type or leasehold type housing. Affordable is less than market rate,

[3:41:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): way more complicated, that's why there's so many pages to it.

[3:41:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um and so this is from from the organization i'm part of and it's just fulfilling that right thank

[3:42:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you for

[3:42:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that duty i i

[3:42:07] Chair Fast: don't know uh lb declares question mark because i yeah but there's no

[3:42:12] Chair Fast: decision so it doesn't affect my interests

[3:42:14] Chair Fast: yeah no that's fine and then um so this is more for

[3:42:18] Chair Fast: information that's what you would require is recording that's great trustee christian

[3:42:23] Chair Fast: well

[3:42:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): there's just one point and you may want to change the records here because

[3:42:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): the memorandum presented notes the subject is being done in the community

[3:42:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): yes

[3:42:31] Chair Fast: under subject

[3:42:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and at the beginning of the hour

[3:42:39] Chair Fast: yeah yeah

[3:42:39] Chair Fast: triple up

[3:42:41] Chair Fast: that's all right one of these cut and paste things

[3:42:43] Chair Fast: Thank you.

[3:42:46] Planner Zupanec (probable): Thank you

[3:42:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): for your optimistic approach.

[3:42:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): It's correct

[3:42:53] Planner Zupanec (probable): on the cover page, we don't understand it.

[3:42:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): I just wanted

[3:42:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): to make sure that I read it.

[3:42:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, I appreciate you making sure, because by this point we're kind of...

[3:43:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I just also, just so that you know, the reason that I'm even cited in this email is that this was actually submitted

[3:43:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): quite a long time ago to the northern office and just kind of got lost in the shuffle at some point, so I was sort of the

[3:43:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): spooky wheel saying, hey, this should come forward to the local trust committee and be noted in the public record, so that's why

[3:43:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it may seem like a delay, but it just, yeah.

[3:43:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah,

[3:43:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): we don't yet, you know, we're supposed to get annual reports, actually, and we don't.

[3:43:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): Right.

[3:43:32] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that's another issue, is that we don't get this paper trail, and so we've not been taking things to you because we just don't receive it.

[3:43:41] Planner Zupanec (probable): So we need to look into why we're not getting those annual declarations.

[3:43:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay,

[3:43:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because we're not aware of the need for an annual declaration.

[3:43:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): Okay, maybe your housing

[3:43:49] Chair Fast: agreement is different.

[3:43:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I don't think, I

[3:43:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think our housing agreement is triggered by any change of ownership of a share.

[3:43:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And all by yourself.

[3:43:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'm pretty sure, but we couldn't do annual reports if needed.

[3:43:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): They won't be as

[3:44:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): long as this.

[3:44:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): not part of the agreement that's fine

[3:44:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah that's

[3:44:04] Chair Fast: what i asked okay great good

[3:44:06] Chair Fast: thank you all right and uh then moving on i don't suppose conservancy reports

[3:44:13] Chair Fast: uh we're on

[3:44:15] Chair Fast: page 244 now i'm going to sit

[3:44:18] Chair Fast: through this because it's there for your

[3:44:19] Chair Fast: uh reading pleasure but as the vice chair of the ellen's trust conservancy i can take

[3:44:24] Chair Fast: some questions just basically it reports on a couple of the other ones of a couple of

[3:44:29] Chair Fast: meetings. We talked about how can we protect nature reserves in various

[3:44:37] Chair Fast: climate futures that might be coming. Like, are there going to be more wildfires?

[3:44:42] Chair Fast: Is there going to be more drought? What does that look like in the way of protection?

[3:44:47] Chair Fast: We talked about protection of dairy oak, now apparently called prairie oak, on Orkney Island and

[3:44:58] Chair Fast: we'll see a development variance permit where some landowners were planning to put a pool

[3:45:04] Chair Fast: anyway i won't go into all the details except to say ask me if you've got any questions

[3:45:09] Chair Fast: and i'll try and answer them but we can go after the meeting it doesn't have to be now and next

[3:45:14] Chair Fast: time i'll try and put the herring newsletter in the information items too which i forgot to do

[3:45:18] Chair Fast: just so people in the public can read up on what the honest trust conservancy has

[3:45:23] Voice 10: been doing but

[3:45:24] Chair Fast: But

[3:45:24] Voice 10: I know that we're

[3:45:25] Chair Fast: over 111 properties now through the trust area, protected either as a nature reserve or through a conservation covenant with a private owner.

[3:45:35] Chair Fast: And we've received a big donation from an estate of $100,000, and that was reported at Trust Council.

[3:45:44] Chair Fast: So people are starting to remember us in their wills, and that's a good way to leave a green legacy.

[3:45:52] Chair Fast: and as part of the budget we'd like to have a funding development staff person so anybody is also always welcome to call

[3:46:03] Chair Fast: and there's somebody to speak to who can talk knowledgeably about tax matters and

[3:46:09] Chair Fast: different things that people may be interested in so I'll just leave it at

[3:46:13] Chair Fast: that and we'll go on to applications report page 250 any questions for the

[3:46:18] Chair Fast: planner and scrolling so these are the different applications underway or in the process at some

[3:46:36] Chair Fast: level any questions no okay trustees can ask the plan or anything at any time going on page 256

[3:46:45] Chair Fast: this is the expense report any questions or i see the denver farm plan in there okay no questions

[3:46:55] Chair Fast: questions, then we're going to go on to 257. It's about the policies and standing resolutions.

[3:47:04] Chair Fast: Just to go straight, did

[3:47:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you have something you wanted to add?

[3:47:06] Chair Fast: Yeah,

[3:47:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so I do. There's two, and it's both to do with the file enforcement around housing.

[3:47:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'll note that if you look on page 261, number 9, it's basically not valid because we're no longer in a public health emergency.

[3:47:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, I would be moving that we remove that, but first, just looking at number seven, partly

[3:47:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): based on what I've learned from some of the submissions and some discussions I've had

[3:47:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): both with our by-law enforcement manager and our senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[3:47:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): who has a big interesting interest in housing and social justice through the

[3:47:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): lens of indigenous rights and reconciliation so I've been talking to

[3:48:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): her what I'm going to suggest is maybe I'll just go ahead and make a motion so

[3:48:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm going to move that standing resolution number seven regarding bylaw

[3:48:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): enforcement against unlawful dwellings be amended as following by adding d that the islands trust

[3:48:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): will not issue any eviction notices and sorry i didn't send this to you and will balance

[3:48:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the need for vital compliance with consideration of personal and community impacts you're so fast

[3:49:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of that current housing crisis, comma, seeking to avoid contributing to homelessness, period.

[3:49:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, actually, probably not because they don't go and nothing, so comma, and that the

[3:49:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): statement, the standing resolution will be reviewed in one year's time, be removed.

[3:49:48] Chair Fast: Do you want me to speak to your motion?

[3:49:50] Chair Fast: Well,

[3:49:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it hasn't been seconded yet.

[3:49:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): No, I know it hasn't,

[3:49:52] Chair Fast: but I second it.

[3:49:53] Chair Fast: We got it.

[3:49:54] Chair Fast: Okay, I just want to make sure she got it.

[3:49:55] Chair Fast: Okay, do I have a seconder?

[3:49:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): You know what, I'm not going to second it.

[3:50:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): But I just wanted to raise a point as to why not right now.

[3:50:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because I think it's an important sort of thing that I would need to consider a specific wording.

[3:50:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because what was the policy behind it and the implications of it?

[3:50:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think it would be nice to have it in front of the public as well.

[3:50:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'm sure we'd get a lot of people that would support it, but I think it requires consideration, and I'm just sort of dropping it now.

[3:50:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): It's a little awkward to say the least.

[3:50:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, well then I just, I feel I should speak too, even though it hasn't been seconded.

[3:50:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I could have, I suppose, let people know ahead of time because this is actually something that I've been,

[3:50:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've talked to several staff members about um and um including at some length our director of

[3:51:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): enforcement and it actually enshrines the current practice um generally or sort of the current

[3:51:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): intention in the way it's been for years um and I you know heard very clearly from um the director

[3:51:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of bylaw enforcement that the bylaw department, bylaw enforcement department is very loath

[3:51:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to issue an eviction notice, as far as I know, it's never happened on Denman.

[3:51:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I asked, does it ever happen on, in the trust area, and it's very rarely, and it isn't,

[3:51:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um it is and and also um tickets haven't been used for um for housing situations um on denman

[3:51:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and also uh if at all no one's quite sure if they've ever been used in the trust area so that's

[3:51:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): kind of it is the the practice and the intention of the practice so it's not that radical and i

[3:51:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): am i mean because lisa wilcox went on leave i haven't really followed up but i've been in

[3:52:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): communication with her about actually going a little deeper and creating a real policy that

[3:52:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): isn't a standing resolution so that this is a kind of and if you look at number nine that i

[3:52:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think we need to remove because it's not valid this is really in my mind it's sort of it's

[3:52:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): replacing that in intention um that being said even without this i mean if you want to wait

[3:52:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the current standing resolution actually implies everything in what I've added

[3:52:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): entirely but this is just to make it crystal clear if we have a new staff

[3:52:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): haven't had time for training crystal clear to constituents so that's all the

[3:52:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): thinking behind it sure

[3:52:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): so let me just say that I'm not necessarily shaming it down from the

[3:52:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): And as I heard it read out, it occurred to me that, well, don't we already do this? Isn't that the way that we operate?

[3:53:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I might not have a problem with this, but I would ask that it be deferred, or I can second it.

[3:53:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): We can have a motion on the table and I'll move to defer and see where that goes for just until the next meeting.

[3:53:19] Chair Fast: Right, because I was going to say it's hard for me as a little more farther away from this, obviously, and not being able to capture it in my pen here, I can't even look at it.

[3:53:33] Chair Fast: Sorry, I

[3:53:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): should have said that at the time.

[3:53:35] Chair Fast: Well, I just, I like the idea of deferring it. And I'm not necessarily not in favor, but I do remember Regional Planning Manager Carr speaking at one of the local trust committee meetings, and I'm not sure which one, about the need for some kind of, when it's going to be reviewed, piece being in there.

[3:53:56] Chair Fast: Because otherwise it's like saying we have this bylaw but we're not going to enforce it, which makes it, what is it as a bylaw, problematic.

[3:54:07] Chair Fast: So I would love to actually hear from staff, if you've talked to them and all that kind of thing, confirmation from staff would be helpful.

[3:54:17] Chair Fast: So if we could defer this by way of asking for a staff report, it would be something I would like, or you could draft a memo and run it past them, or whatever.

[3:54:31] Chair Fast: It works with by

[3:54:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): -law. I haven't been

[3:54:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that involved with that.

[3:54:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think a resolution then to maybe we could make the motion, defer it.

[3:54:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and then I think a resolution asking staff I would I would think that we want

[3:54:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to primarily we want to

[3:54:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): get a warrant in the law enforcement directors input on

[3:54:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this because I've talked to him a couple times but it certainly it was like hey

[3:54:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): can I chat with you about something so to be fair this hasn't had his formal

[3:55:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): staff approval and I think that would be welcome so to get his because he's gonna

[3:55:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah and if we're asking him to do something that he doesn't feel he can

[3:55:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): legally or professionally commit to that's not gonna work anyway yes he

[3:55:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): needs to be connected to what we're doing right

[3:55:25] Chair Fast: so I'm not sure what this

[3:55:29] Chair Fast: motion might look like now i'm not sure that it's my place to make this motion but um well what i

[3:55:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): could do is make a motion because no motion was made i'm just thinking on the fly i can make a

[3:55:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): motion we don't need to make a motion and put it on the table it's confusing i can make a motion

[3:55:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): right now to ask director demon to provide feedback on this via uh feedback or a comment on

[3:55:55] Chair Fast: He could write

[3:55:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): something, he could show up at our meeting, and that would be up to him.

[3:55:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Updated language for Resolution 7, something like that?

[3:56:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sure.

[3:56:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): And then he could circulate that?

[3:56:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes.

[3:56:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): Your draft.

[3:56:09] Chair Fast: As well?

[3:56:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, let's wait for it to

[3:56:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): appear on the agenda.

[3:56:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So here's what I'm suggesting, is that we take the draft wording that Vicky already

[3:56:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): has and I would like to make a motion like that we request the bylaw enforcement manager to

[3:56:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): provide feedback on the um it's the word I would want uh like the advisability of um including

[3:56:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this statement as part of Denman Island Standing Resolution number seven.

[3:56:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Second.

[3:56:55] Chair Fast: I like this music. People can dance to it.

[3:56:58] Chair Fast: Okay.

[3:57:01] Chair Fast: Or did you want to second it?

[3:57:02] Chair Fast: The first one

[3:57:05] Voice 5: wasn't seconded, so I'll have to find a way to incorporate that into the motion.

[3:57:09] Voice 5: Otherwise it's not a stand-alone motion.

[3:57:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, okay. So

[3:57:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'll try again.

[3:57:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee request the director, manager, director...

[3:57:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): manager of bylaw enforcement to provide commentary on the advisability, this is terrible use of language,

[3:57:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the advisability of adding, and then in quotes, that the Islands Trust will not issue any eviction notices

[3:57:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and will balance the need for bylaw compliance with consideration of personal and community impacts

[3:57:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of the current housing crisis, seeking to avoid contributing

[3:57:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to homelessness, to the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[3:58:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): standing resolution of our second.

[3:58:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, at this point, we didn't review it.

[3:58:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Now we're in the middle of reviewing it.

[3:58:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So we could leave that.

[3:58:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I just don't

[3:58:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like to say we're reviewing it

[3:58:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if we're not reviewing it, but now we're reviewing it.

[3:58:19] Chair Fast: okay okay good so we've

[3:58:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): got a motion

[3:58:21] Chair Fast: and we've got a seconder David Critchley and uh that sounds good

[3:58:26] Chair Fast: any more discussion I'm looking at the clock I've got about 15 minutes uh thank you very much

[3:58:31] Chair Fast: everybody I'll call the question all those in favor one two three hands go up so that one will

[3:58:37] Chair Fast: carry thank you thank you and um we're down

[3:58:42] Chair Fast: here now anybody

[3:58:43] Voice 5: my order that I'm sure um item one

[3:58:47] Voice 5: 11.1 was deferred to 13.4, but it's not been addressed.

[3:58:52] Voice 5: We haven't deferred it to 13.4.

[3:58:55] Chair Fast: We, it relates to 13.4.

[3:58:59] Chair Fast: The question has not been

[3:59:01] Voice 5: answered, Madam Chair.

[3:59:02] Chair Fast: No, that's right.

[3:59:02] Chair Fast: We're not here to answer them at this moment.

[3:59:05] Chair Fast: Gotta move on.

[3:59:06] Chair Fast: Okay, so item number 13.5.

[3:59:12] Chair Fast: This is local trust committee webpage.

[3:59:15] Chair Fast: Anything to add here?

[3:59:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'd like to see the farming regulations review forefronted on the Denman site and in particular

[3:59:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you have to go through it to get a link to the questionnaire and we know how people go

[3:59:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): through websites.

[3:59:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So could on the like somewhere up front there be just something like where the farming regulations

[3:59:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): review project is underway, taking an online survey, and

[3:59:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): information that there's a paper

[3:59:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): survey also available, just so that could be up front.

[3:59:52] Chair Fast: So I think that's just a suggestion for the planners, so do you need it?

[3:59:58] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[4:00:00] Chair Fast: Okay, so I have an update on that topic, but I didn't do it. I did it five minutes ago.

[4:00:05] Chair Fast: Okay, very good. Anything else about the webpage?

[4:00:09] Chair Fast: No.

[4:00:10] Chair Fast: Okay. Top priority is, that's page 262, and

[4:00:14] Planner Zupanec (probable): we just talked

[4:00:16] Planner Zupanec (probable): about that page.

[4:00:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): So this is just specific to your farm and regulations review project.

[4:00:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): Just to let you know, this survey was sent to 214 properties on the island,

[4:00:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): So that was a direct mail out, and the online surveys are trickling in as of last week there was about 40.

[4:00:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): That's the preferred method obviously. However, the paper copies are being dropped off at the bookstore and bookstore.

[4:00:45] door

[4:00:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): and just do Jacob's task with checking in regularly to retrieve any and the CIM is scheduled

[4:00:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): for April 21st from 6 30 to 8 p.m at the Denman Activity Center so if you can also we'll do the

[4:01:04] staff for sort of advertising notifications whether you have your own informal community

[4:01:09] Planner Zupanec (probable): community distribution emails or social media outlets if you can ensure people have access to that at the same time.

[4:01:18] Planner Zupanec (probable): Doing good?

[4:01:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): Thank you.

[4:01:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): Not for that.

[4:01:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): In person,

[4:01:21] Chair Fast: not at a truck.

[4:01:24] Chair Fast: That's right.

[4:01:24] Chair Fast: And it's at the other building across the road, right?

[4:01:27] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[4:01:28] Chair Fast: This is the Den of Pictures, is that correct?

[4:01:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): This is it.

[4:01:31] Chair Fast: Oh, I thought

[4:01:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it was somewhere else.

[4:01:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Isn't that funny?

[4:01:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[4:01:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, it's here and not at the community hall.

[4:01:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[4:01:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I thought it was at the community hall.

[4:01:38] Voice 4: Just a minute, I'm going to check my, uh, my home page first.

[4:01:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): In the big hall.

[4:01:47] Chair Fast: Oh no, now it says they're in the

[4:01:50] Chair Fast: activity center lounge.

[4:01:51] Chair Fast: Okay, I thought it was

[4:01:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): at the other hall.

[4:01:52] Chair Fast: I think you might want to look on the questionnaire.

[4:01:57] Planner Zupanec (probable): Unless the planner gets to figure out what that is.

[4:01:59] Chair Fast: Yeah, because I think on the questionnaire somewhere else I saw it as the community hall.

[4:02:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[4:02:04] Chair Fast: And, um, so that would be something to check.

[4:02:06] Chair Fast: Yeah,

[4:02:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and it's confusing, there's so now, because, anyway.

[4:02:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): way okay it was just the islands 2051 at the community hall so maybe i've got it all okay

[4:02:16] Chair Fast: anything else about top priorities and could

[4:02:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): i just yeah on

[4:02:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): that if if it's this room that was

[4:02:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): worked is that adequate in size for the expected it's

[4:02:26] Planner Zupanec (probable): 90 people capacity yeah there won't be

[4:02:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): tables obviously but okay they probably use that capacity limit we've never had

[4:02:44] Chair Fast: I might just remember because it was at the community hall the last time we had a funnel

[4:02:49] Chair Fast: open message.

[4:02:52] Chair Fast: Anything else on the top priorities?

[4:02:59] Chair Fast: Anything else on the projects list?

[4:03:01] Chair Fast: 263, the projects list that we've added the shoreline project to this.

[4:03:07] Chair Fast: Yes. The shoreline report. And, uh, anything else? And then, um, it's longer. And then, uh, then, information items. I've got the, just the, um, grapevine article from last year. And, uh, upcoming meetings then.

[4:03:31] Chair Fast: There's no way to work on that, right?

[4:03:33] Chair Fast: I don't know what that is.

[4:03:34] Chair Fast: Oh, didn't it get connected through?

[4:03:37] Chair Fast: Oh, okay.

[4:03:38] Chair Fast: This was the letter to the editor to the great clients after Mr. Silco put in the last, brought us the petition last year in an online meeting.

[4:03:54] Chair Fast: So I was going to ask that it be put in there for reference, just because of other questions.

[4:04:01] Chair Fast: Do you want the next meeting?

[4:04:03] Chair Fast: Yeah, that would be good.

[4:04:04] Chair Fast: Otherwise, people have to find it.

[4:04:09] Chair Fast: Yes. That would be great. Thank you.

[4:04:14] Voice 15: I think it was petition.

[4:04:20] Chair Fast: It's not a new letter. It's an old letter from a year ago.

[4:04:24] Chair Fast: Is this the one where you visited

[4:04:25] Voice 5: by the byline person?

[4:04:28] Chair Fast: It was the

[4:04:29] Chair Fast: one where we tried to correct the records as far as the information that we had.

[4:04:33] Chair Fast: and so we put it out there too. So, and I'm reprinting it. We were going to, I was going to have it in this agenda, so we'll see whether it gets into the next agenda or not.

[4:04:46] Chair Fast: Okay, and so, yeah, and then any other business?

[4:04:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): No. No? Okay.

[4:04:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I would just note at 16.1 that just to make sure, like maybe it should just be in the

[4:05:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): minutes so people don't get confused that we are, oh it doesn't matter, we're planning

[4:05:05] Chair Fast: another

[4:05:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meeting before May 31st, but that will all become clear.

[4:05:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yes, well

[4:05:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've got three meetings,

[4:05:10] Chair Fast: we've got the FAR plan, April 21st, we've got the new

[4:05:15] Chair Fast: meeting that's coming late April, early May, the special electronic community meeting,

[4:05:22] Chair Fast: with hopefully a couple of housing related things on it and then we've got our next regular meeting

[4:05:28] Chair Fast: is scheduled for tuesday may 31st the end of it so um those are all upcoming and uh i think that

[4:05:38] Chair Fast: concludes me okay so i'd like a motion to adjourn

[4:05:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): thank you

[4:05:43] Chair Fast: okay very good meeting is adjourned

[4:05:47] Chair Fast: Thanks everybody.

[4:05:49] Chair Fast: I've

[4:05:49] Voice 4: got a lot of

[4:05:50] Chair Fast: equipment to catch a pyramid on that.

[4:05:52] Chair Fast: Yeah.

[4:05:55] Chair Fast: Yes.

[4:05:56] Chair Fast: Are we with it?

[4:06:01] Chair Fast: Yes.

[4:06:10] Hello.