Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, August 30, 2022

[0:00:02] Voice 3: Okay, I'll just confirm the stream in a moment. It says it's running, but excellent.

[0:00:11] Trustee Patrick: Well, trustees, you're ready to go?

[0:00:13] Voice 5: Indeed. All

[0:00:15] Trustee Patrick: right. Well, good morning, everyone. I'd like to thank you for joining us for this electronic meeting of the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:24] Trustee Patrick: I always begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are to be able to gather today in the all across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:33] Trustee Patrick: I think this past summer has been a historic moment when the Pope came to Canada and apologized to Indigenous peoples for the atrocities of the Catholic Church's involvement in the residential schools.

[0:00:54] Trustee Patrick: And I always ask people that are listening us today that as part of your personal journey on reconciliation to take the time to understand what the residential schools were and did to the people, the Indigenous peoples, and especially for those of you on Thetis knowing that there was one of these schools so close to your shores, just on the island south of you.

[0:01:21] Trustee Patrick: so please take that time to understand that i guess i could say very sad chapter of canadian

[0:01:30] Trustee Patrick: history um i'm laura patrick i'm elected here on salt spring island and chair of the local trust

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick: committee i'm joined today by trustee peter leckham and trustee doug benton together we

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick: make up your thetis island local trust committee um is i don't see um electoral area director smith

[0:01:52] Trustee Patrick: I know she did send an email report out on a couple of items, but she's not here yet today, so we'll get to her report.

[0:02:00] Trustee Patrick: Maybe she'll join us.

[0:02:03] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick: This meeting is being conducted electronically.

[0:02:08] Trustee Patrick: It's also being recorded and live streamed, and the live stream will be available in a matter of days.

[0:02:23] Trustee Patrick: There's a number of staff that are joining us today. In the background, making this meeting run smoothly and to my great appreciation is Will Cottingham, an office administrator. Thank you, Will, for your work helping us today.

[0:02:37] Trustee Patrick: Diane Corbett is the minute taker. Good morning, Diane. And Marlis McCarger. Did I say that right? Oh, I'm not very good with those. But so thank you, Marlis, is our island planner that's joining us today.

[0:02:51] Trustee Patrick: this um um this is a um uh just despite the fact that some of our employees may be coming from

[0:02:59] Trustee Patrick: their own homes um this is this is a place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:03:05] Trustee Patrick: and respectful workplace uh so i guess so the key thing is here we have an agenda before us which

[0:03:15] Trustee Patrick: where do i put the agenda that i had before us it was right before us anyway we have an agenda

[0:03:21] Trustee Patrick: to be for us um are there any additions or changes to the agenda none from here

[0:03:31] Trustee Patrick: i

[0:03:33] Trustee Fenton: think i'll be able to fit it into um the discussion around

[0:03:41] Trustee Fenton: um i'm just going to look to your um insight on that chair and that is i want to have a discussion

[0:03:47] Trustee Fenton: around sort of expanding the list of invitees

[0:03:53] Trustee Fenton: to a meeting with the CRD and the local trust.

[0:03:59] Trustee Fenton: Should that be a specific item

[0:04:02] Trustee Fenton: or can it be brought up under sort of approaches

[0:04:04] Trustee Fenton: to reconciliation or other opportunities that are already?

[0:04:11] Trustee Patrick: I think if you wanna talk about that particular meeting

[0:04:16] Trustee Patrick: and the invites we should probably make that a specific item on the agenda um and should we put

[0:04:22] Trustee Patrick: that under new business would that be the appropriate place yeah

[0:04:25] Trustee Fenton: i get yeah sure we're

[0:04:27] Trustee Fenton: ongoing but new new work sure

[0:04:29] Trustee Patrick: so we'll add that after the uh 12.2 so 12.3 i guess we could also

[0:04:37] Trustee Luckham: touch on that in the follow-up action list because i believe it's on that is

[0:04:41] Trustee Patrick: it a follow-up

[0:04:41] Trustee Luckham: I mean, it could be on that, but it's just an active item.

[0:04:45] Trustee Patrick: Okay. No, that's fine.

[0:04:46] Trustee Patrick: We can deal with it on the follow-up action list then.

[0:04:48] Trustee Patrick: Okay. Thank you.

[0:04:49] Trustee Patrick: That will be good.

[0:04:52] Trustee Patrick: So in that case, there's no changes.

[0:04:55] Trustee Patrick: So can we approve the agenda through general consent?

[0:04:58] Trustee Patrick: Aye.

[0:04:59] Trustee Patrick: Excellent.

[0:05:01] Trustee Patrick: So we have no rise in report.

[0:05:03] Trustee Patrick: So this is the trustee's report.

[0:05:06] Trustee Patrick: Who would like to go first?

[0:05:11] Voice 5: Well, I'll start then

[0:05:12] Trustee Luckham: if Doug doesn't jump in there.

[0:05:15] Trustee Luckham: And I'm sure the first item I'm going to mention, well, I'll just say thank you very much, Laura, for your very thoughtful opening remarks regarding this place as Coast Salish Territory.

[0:05:28] Trustee Luckham: Indeed, Penelope and Lai Axman have resided and

[0:05:32] Voice 5: lived and worked in

[0:05:38] Trustee Luckham: this area specifically since time immemorial.

[0:05:43] Trustee Luckham: And so, thank you for that.

[0:05:45] Trustee Luckham: I just want to mention that there was the Walk for the Children in Chimenez, which I'm

[0:05:51] Trustee Luckham: sure Doug will be able to speak to more eloquently than I.

[0:05:54] Trustee Luckham: I was unable to attend, but I want to acknowledge that that happened.

[0:05:58] Trustee Luckham: That's an annual event now, I'm presuming, and the second one with many, many people

[0:06:05] Trustee Luckham: gathering to walk in memory of the events that you spoke with with respect

[0:06:14] Trustee Luckham: to all of the children across the country but specifically those on

[0:06:19] Trustee Luckham: finalicum so always live with that in my mind there's been a number this it's

[0:06:27] Trustee Luckham: been summertime so relatively quiet here there's been conversations that I've had

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: with many regarding housing uh same as everywhere the accessibility to affordable housing uh ideas

[0:06:40] Trustee Luckham: around creating uh tiny homes and or as is happening on sulks beyond accessory dwelling

[0:06:46] Trustee Luckham: units there's also of course interest in in bnbs and short-term vacation rentals um it's probably

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: not well known outside of thetis uh particularly that the overbury uh resorts here which was a

[0:07:00] Trustee Luckham: a destination location zoned accordingly for many since before I was a trustee that indeed hosted

[0:07:09] Trustee Luckham: people over the summers and hosted weddings and all those sorts of things. And that closed last

[0:07:16] Trustee Luckham: year after a long and joyful delivery of those opportunities for people to come and recreate

[0:07:25] Trustee Luckham: create here on Thetis. And it closed because of family reasons. They'd been doing it for a very

[0:07:30] Trustee Luckham: long time and they'd run out of steam, we'll say, on that and decided to close that. So that created

[0:07:37] Trustee Luckham: a shortage of B&Bs and short-term vacation rental opportunities for people. And so there's those

[0:07:44] Trustee Luckham: conversations going on as well. And of course, it's always the balance between providing housing

[0:07:48] Trustee Luckham: for those that need it on the island in respect of those that want to come here and recreate.

[0:07:56] Trustee Luckham: And that's worthy, worth mentioning here at the same time is that of course this conversation is happening out there about the speculation and vacation,

[0:08:05] Trustee Luckham: vacation, vacancy tax that has been expanded to Ladysmith and other areas in the province.

[0:08:18] Trustee Luckham: And that question comes up here in order to address housing. But on Theta, as on many of

[0:08:25] Trustee Luckham: the islands, many of the folks, their houses are vacant. And that's what they choose to do and have

[0:08:31] Trustee Luckham: chose to do for i would say 50 plus years in many cases certainly a long period of time and they're

[0:08:38] Trustee Luckham: not they don't consider themselves and others don't consider them uh speculators and indeed

[0:08:43] Trustee Luckham: many of those people contribute um both uh to the quality of the community and financially for

[0:08:50] Trustee Luckham: those uh charitable uh activities that are uh necessary on all of the islands and you know i'd

[0:08:57] Trustee Luckham: I'd just like to say that we built on almost a million dollar community center here over the last number of years.

[0:09:02] Trustee Luckham: And many of those folks that are summer residents whose homes do sit vacant contributed significantly to that.

[0:09:12] Trustee Luckham: And I struggle with the idea of taxing folks that are contributing to our communities and not speculators.

[0:09:20] Trustee Luckham: Not sure how we'll address that. It's been very hot. A really big mosquito year here this year.

[0:09:27] Trustee Luckham: we haven't had that conversation in a few years about what to do with the mosquitoes but uh indeed

[0:09:33] Trustee Luckham: um it's worse than i can remember in my 34 years here and certainly significantly worse than about

[0:09:41] Trustee Luckham: five years ago or maybe more 10 years ago when it was very bad and some uh alterations were made to

[0:09:49] Trustee Luckham: the waterway that that goes underneath the road into a saltwater marsh area which is sort of

[0:09:58] Trustee Luckham: thought of as the cause for the mosquitoes although there are many

[0:10:02] Trustee Luckham: just in passing my extracurricular non-thetis activity stress-wide policy statement

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham: amendments were considered and a recommendation has gone to trust council to adopt

[0:10:16] Trustee Luckham: recommended amendments, and that's the work of council.

[0:10:21] Trustee Luckham: So there is no new draft at this time

[0:10:23] Trustee Luckham: and won't be in this term.

[0:10:29] Trustee Luckham: So there'll be a new draft that will come forward

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham: for based upon council's decision

[0:10:34] Trustee Luckham: that will come forward in the new term.

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: And I have had meetings on South Pender

[0:10:42] Trustee Luckham: and Salt Spring Island on everything

[0:10:45] Trustee Luckham: everything from house sizing and setbacks to developments in the Fulford-Gange, Fulford

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham: Barber area, as well as farm worker housing and creating opportunity for accessory dwelling

[0:11:03] Trustee Luckham: units to address the housing issues on Solespring.

[0:11:07] Trustee Luckham: And that's it for me, pleasure to work with you all, thank you for being here today and

[0:11:13] Trustee Luckham: thank

[0:11:13] Trustee Patrick: you to the staff

[0:11:14] Trustee Luckham: yeah trustee

[0:11:16] Trustee Patrick: Fenton awesome

[0:11:18] Trustee Fenton: thank you for your trusty uh looking that's

[0:11:21] Trustee Fenton: busy busy schedule even though you've missed some of the or one of the key events that happened um

[0:11:29] Trustee Fenton: but you had other um important and um somewhat delayed activities I guess because of the

[0:11:37] Trustee Fenton: the pandemic etc so your time away was needed um thank you i would uh yeah just uh trustee

[0:11:47] Trustee Fenton: like it was mentioned i'm very grateful to live and work in the traditional and unceded

[0:11:53] Trustee Fenton: territories of the penelagic and lioxian peoples um i had a morning of affirmation uh regarding

[0:12:02] Trustee Fenton: regarding our sort of preserve and protect mandate.

[0:12:05] Trustee Fenton: A couple of mornings, actually, in that case,

[0:12:08] Trustee Fenton: we've had the forage fish have schooled up

[0:12:11] Trustee Fenton: and up and down my little bay, at the bay,

[0:12:14] Trustee Fenton: and sort of up and down north and south of my location

[0:12:19] Trustee Fenton: or where my residence is.

[0:12:22] Trustee Fenton: And I heard a rumor from the neighbors

[0:12:24] Trustee Fenton: that the whale had been by, and I thought, oh, okay.

[0:12:30] Trustee Fenton: We'll watch for it.

[0:12:31] Trustee Fenton: thought maybe it was a minke whale because they have been back and forth through Trincomalee

[0:12:36] Trustee Fenton: but then I heard that this the very mechanical click and you could hear them breathe

[0:12:41] Trustee Fenton: they went outside at a quarter eight in the morning and there was a you could the whole

[0:12:47] Trustee Fenton: surface was alive with the forage fish yet to be determined make a model of that but

[0:12:54] Trustee Fenton: sure enough this whale was right in we're talking you know within 50 meters of the shore

[0:13:00] Trustee Fenton: and not cruising past like they normally do was actually going back and forth stopping

[0:13:05] Trustee Fenton: and foraging on these forage fish right out in front of the bay um was there probably for half

[0:13:12] Trustee Fenton: an hour 40 minutes and then turned around and headed towards uh that little rose eyelet or

[0:13:18] Trustee Fenton: that little bird eyelet about 500 meters away from the shore and on his way out sort of defined

[0:13:24] Trustee Fenton: it's what it was by its big dive and just a big tail went up and it was just a humpback whale

[0:13:33] Trustee Fenton: heading off heading sort of southeast down Trincomalee so it was quite a yeah just surreal

[0:13:39] Trustee Fenton: actually and then I sure enough we came back Sunday morning did the same thing just to make

[0:13:43] Trustee Fenton: sure we were there and everybody in the neighborhood was on the shoreline watching

[0:13:50] Trustee Fenton: them do their thing. It was quite just affirming the need of what we do in this

[0:13:59] Trustee Fenton: role of preserving and protecting the object of the trust. Less exciting but still

[0:14:10] Trustee Fenton: opportunity that and some challenges that we are facing on these. I've had the

[0:14:17] Trustee Fenton: opportunity to meet with tira on a numerous of occasions regarding the path down to pretty harbor

[0:14:24] Voice 8: um

[0:14:24] Trustee Fenton: and basically met with the trail coordinator and a project manager um or someone who's taking

[0:14:32] Trustee Fenton: that role on um i spoke with regarding sort of the path and the fact it shouldn't be there but

[0:14:41] Trustee Fenton: what brought it up is the stairs that were at the bottom we talked about it i believe at our

[0:14:46] Trustee Fenton: last meeting and those there's been removed um but we are now trying to deal with the actual

[0:14:53] Trustee Fenton: shutting the path down and trying to address it by coming up with alternative routes etc and working

[0:14:59] Trustee Fenton: with um the trial committee to try to figure out if uh cape and rain will adopt an alternate route

[0:15:08] Trustee Fenton: route, et cetera. More discussions about that over the rest of the meeting. I also talked

[0:15:16] Trustee Fenton: to just Opportunity Failed Itself, like the next day I ran into our elder, Augie Sylvester,

[0:15:24] Trustee Fenton: advised him of the situation and he sat down and gave me his insights and sort of, yeah,

[0:15:30] Trustee Fenton: just hoping that we will be strong on this mission and try to figure out how to make

[0:15:35] Trustee Fenton: this right um understands the challenges that we face but at the same time stated clearly that past

[0:15:44] Trustee Fenton: representatives have not been have not been strong enough to actually make change

[0:15:49] Trustee Fenton: on the situation so he's hoping we can help with that um i sat fortunate enough to sit as a

[0:15:57] Trustee Fenton: on a three-member panel as part of the alliance representing act thetis which is anchorage

[0:16:03] Trustee Fenton: concerns thetis uh for the phase two um interview with ports canada and their consultant

[0:16:11] Trustee Fenton: um that was actually a very i'm not sure if trustee lachems had that opportunity or anybody in

[0:16:18] Trustee Fenton: um but this was actually a very positive in a sense um interview um some good discussion

[0:16:27] Trustee Fenton: It'll be interesting to see where they go with their message because they seem to actually be listening and asking and following up on questions and concerns that have been identified by both the Islands Trust and the local resident groups throughout the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:16:48] Trustee Fenton: Yeah. So we'll see where that goes. I also sat at a meeting with the Regional Planning Committee, the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:17:00] Trustee Fenton: We had a communications strategy workshop that was hosted and facilitated by Carmen Smith on Thursday.

[0:17:10] Trustee Fenton: And then on Friday of last week, I was at the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:17:16] Trustee Fenton: committee where we again as mentioned by trustee luckham the policy review sort of next steps where

[0:17:23] Trustee Fenton: that's going to go um as we head into sort of a new term uh down the road i'll leave it there

[0:17:31] Trustee Fenton: and thank you for the opportunity oh

[0:17:34] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much and thanks for uh sharing that uh that

[0:17:39] Trustee Patrick: beautiful observation of a feeding humpback whale off here off the side uh east side of

[0:17:46] Trustee Patrick: Thetis there. I don't have much of a report other than say that Trust Council will have its final

[0:17:53] Trustee Patrick: meeting of the term on September 20th to 22nd. While we haven't set the final schedule yet,

[0:17:59] Trustee Patrick: I would assume that the public meeting or the town hall would occur on the evening of the 20th.

[0:18:07] Trustee Patrick: But pay attention, look for those press releases on that meeting. It will be a virtual meeting,

[0:18:13] Trustee Patrick: so you'll be able to participate in that meeting so with that i'll move on here uh let's see i'd

[0:18:23] Trustee Patrick: be electoral area director i know she lynn did send a brief report but um um sorry i did not

[0:18:33] Trustee Patrick: have my open does anyone have that email handy from lynn

[0:18:37] Trustee Fenton: just gonna look for it now while you're

[0:18:44] Trustee Luckham: looking for that i'll just mention uh um doug that um andy lamb reported um herring uh juvenile

[0:18:54] Trustee Luckham: herring schooling significantly in a clam bay uh in almost that same window early in the morning

[0:19:02] Trustee Luckham: um that would make sense so i think that was probably uh the humpback feeding on juvenile

[0:19:08] Trustee Luckham: now hearing yeah

[0:19:09] Trustee Fenton: that would make sense i

[0:19:11] Trustee Patrick: found the report thank you um i will just sort of

[0:19:18] Trustee Patrick: paraphrase what we can attach it she did send a written report for today uh she said from a

[0:19:23] Trustee Patrick: cbrd regional recreational referendum on july 27th the cbrd board adopted the wording that will

[0:19:30] Trustee Patrick: appear on a regional wide referendum question on the october 15th ballot uh the earlier amount of

[0:19:36] Trustee Patrick: of, oh, well, she puts all the amounts in there.

[0:19:40] Trustee Patrick: I won't go through that.

[0:19:43] Trustee Patrick: She said basically closely matches

[0:19:45] Trustee Patrick: the requisition of 35 million.

[0:19:48] Trustee Patrick: She continues to oppose this initiative

[0:19:50] Trustee Patrick: as she feels there's too many regionally

[0:19:52] Trustee Patrick: significant recreational facilities

[0:19:54] Trustee Patrick: with Area G usage under 2%.

[0:19:57] Trustee Patrick: And most of those are under 1%.

[0:20:01] Trustee Patrick: Only two of the nine facilities

[0:20:03] Trustee Patrick: indicate Area G usage over 2%.

[0:20:05] Trustee Patrick: The current Area G funding is $202,122 with $131,689 toward the two facilities with usage over 2% and over $70,000 toward six facilities with usage under 2%.

[0:20:26] Trustee Patrick: Based on a statement on page 6 of the 2022 report by RC Strategies, the 2017 analysis resulted in accuracy of plus or minus 3%, 19 times.

[0:20:39] Trustee Patrick: So anyway, she's got all that detail in there.

[0:20:43] Trustee Patrick: So also what is significant about the Shawnegan Lake Community Center is it has no pool, arena, sportplex, or theater, et cetera.

[0:20:53] Trustee Patrick: This center is the same as many of the other community centers in the CBRD communities

[0:20:59] Trustee Patrick: that are not included in this regional recreational initiative.

[0:21:03] Trustee Patrick: What will be the governance for Area G residents on committees that will have a say about each

[0:21:10] Trustee Patrick: of these eight facilities.

[0:21:12] Trustee Patrick: Anyway, I think we are appreciative of Electoral Area Director Smith and her work for your

[0:21:19] Trustee Patrick: region.

[0:21:19] Trustee Patrick: And I guess it's pay attention to that referendum.

[0:21:23] Trustee Patrick: That's coming up in the next election here.

[0:21:29] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so this will be a town hall,

[0:21:32] Trustee Patrick: but I don't see any attendees in the attendee box.

[0:21:35] Trustee Patrick: So at this time,

[0:21:38] Trustee Patrick: your comments are important to the local trust committee.

[0:21:41] Trustee Patrick: Please send your comments to the trustees

[0:21:44] Trustee Patrick: or North Info at, is it North Info?

[0:21:49] Trustee Patrick: I think it's North Info,

[0:21:51] Trustee Patrick: northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca and uh your like i said your input is important okay so um we have

[0:22:02] Trustee Patrick: minutes here from our july 5th meeting are there any additions or changes to those minutes i didn't

[0:22:10] Voice 5: see any oh i didn't see it all right

[0:22:14] Trustee Patrick: so can we approve those minutes or general consent

[0:22:16] Trustee Patrick: it all

[0:22:17] Voice 5: right thank

[0:22:17] Trustee Patrick: you so the next item is our follow-up action list which is on page 12 of the

[0:22:23] Trustee Patrick: agenda package um i know that trust trustee fenton was going to bring up one item about the letter

[0:22:30] Trustee Patrick: in the attendees list um are there any other questions or comments for staff or anything

[0:22:34] Trustee Patrick: that staff wishes to bring up not seeing any go go for it uh marlis you had did you have anything

[0:22:41] Trustee Patrick: thing okay so uh go ahead trustee Fenton on your comments on the letter and the attendees list

[0:22:47] Trustee Patrick: uh

[0:22:50] Trustee Fenton: yeah okay just a second here I just went up here we go okay so bait yeah okay um so we're

[0:23:00] Trustee Fenton: adjusting what we were thinking of in 12.3 and just make a comment here yes yeah oh I got you

[0:23:07] Trustee Fenton: them um yeah so yeah i this is um it's regarding the beast the whole bc fairies location um

[0:23:20] Trustee Fenton: this is and they knowingly built it on and over um the ancestors of the penalty tribe and i'm not

[0:23:32] Trustee Fenton: sure when that was built. I think it was in the mid 80s. So was it that new terminal was worked on?

[0:23:40] Trustee Fenton: I may be wrong on that. But anyways, they built that. They have fenced certain portions of it

[0:23:48] Trustee Fenton: more from a safety perspective than it is out of respect and or acknowledgement of

[0:23:54] Trustee Fenton: of the midden in itself.

[0:23:58] Trustee Fenton: The midden is recognized by both on the BC

[0:24:02] Trustee Fenton: people in Victoria that's actually registered.

[0:24:09] Trustee Fenton: That study was done in the mid seventies.

[0:24:14] Trustee Fenton: And so there's a lot of bureaucracy.

[0:24:18] Trustee Fenton: There's a lot of consciousness about it,

[0:24:20] Trustee Fenton: though when this location was installed,

[0:24:23] Trustee Fenton: They get it right over and through basically the graveyards, as described by Elder Augie Sylvester, of the ancestors.

[0:24:35] Trustee Fenton: So with that, there's a path, and they've even sort of acknowledged the path being present by putting little steps into the pavement

[0:24:47] Trustee Fenton: they when they retop the surface going down into pre-harbor so that would be sort of looking

[0:24:53] Trustee Fenton: into the north or northwest of that parking area um and that then of course the locals

[0:25:03] Trustee Fenton: there's i went down sat down in the morning actually to meet with um one of the local

[0:25:09] Trustee Fenton: people here regarding sort of next steps how to get people going elsewhere and just in that half

[0:25:16] Trustee Fenton: an hour 45 minutes of sitting there having conversation just endless people coming through

[0:25:22] Trustee Fenton: there so there's you know it's obviously the locals good people um but just unaware of it

[0:25:28] Trustee Fenton: walking that's just part of their daily routine it's not even on exercise we're talking you know

[0:25:32] Trustee Fenton: to and from so there's some sort of significant shifts in behavior they're going to have to happen

[0:25:38] Trustee Fenton: over time but um that being said the bottom of it you're literally sitting in a in the middle

[0:25:46] Trustee Fenton: of a graveyard and it's midden and there's um boxes you know stone sort of formations that

[0:25:52] Trustee Fenton: all demonstrate clearly that we need to find another way around it um the stairs are now

[0:26:01] Trustee Fenton: gone because they one there shouldn't have been in there in the first place but anyways they fell

[0:26:05] Trustee Fenton: apart so um here we moved them as a safety hazard under that premise we uh and then put

[0:26:13] Trustee Fenton: We're filing, we put flags and notices on top and the bottom of the trails, but it's still just being used.

[0:26:22] Trustee Fenton: So here's in the middle of trying to figure out another path.

[0:26:27] Trustee Fenton: There are negotiations with Cape Penry.

[0:26:31] Trustee Fenton: They're suggesting, like, just move the path down the mid to the other location in the mid.

[0:26:38] Trustee Fenton: so then we have more disruption of the midden potentially and to um short in my mind um

[0:26:47] Trustee Fenton: shoreline disruption that actually could make it um more vulnerable than it already is to shoreline

[0:26:53] Trustee Fenton: erosion to another storm or the next storm um so i've had discussions with the trail coordinator

[0:27:02] Trustee Fenton: vicky walker and we talked about sort of how to deal with that she can't they had a bunch of

[0:27:08] Trustee Fenton: different ideas but the bottom line is tears not moving anywhere until they get sort of official

[0:27:12] Trustee Fenton: word from somebody saying this is how we're going to go about it um the bottom line from our elder

[0:27:21] Trustee Fenton: um party servicers this needs to this just has to stop right and so we have to find a better way um

[0:27:30] Trustee Fenton: the one suggestion i think we've had discussions around is the potential of you know fencing so

[0:27:36] Trustee Fenton: if we actually meet with uh bc fairs etc we look at you know fencing that path off so that just

[0:27:42] Trustee Fenton: just like the other corners of that parking area heading down at the very terminal itself

[0:27:47] Trustee Fenton: so it's not a it's just an obvious no-go and i will work with the local people to figure out

[0:27:55] Trustee Fenton: a better and a new path but part of that is going to be educating people

[0:27:59] Trustee Fenton: and actually saying out loud that this is a graveyard and we need to not be cruising through it

[0:28:05] Trustee Fenton: um so that's my the complexity of the issue it's very very challenging in that regard but

[0:28:14] Trustee Fenton: same time i our next meeting which is really the only and i've had discussions um with the

[0:28:22] Trustee Fenton: planner car with respect to the how that would look what that would look like how can we have

[0:28:29] Trustee Fenton: penelope i thought initially they would be part of this conversation just because they're on the

[0:28:33] Trustee Fenton: fairy committee but because it's a national locals issue and we're inviting people really it's not

[0:28:39] Trustee Fenton: penelope being invited there is it's not the whole committee per se it's it's the

[0:28:44] Trustee Fenton: these sound peoples that we have terry you have um uh what's the other uh keith rush will be part

[0:28:52] Trustee Fenton: of it to be um us but what i think we need and should have is penelope should be this is just

[0:29:00] Trustee Fenton: one of those moments where they should be present so whether that's they're like through an indigenous

[0:29:04] Trustee Fenton: and his monitor person, who I believe their committee person is,

[0:29:12] Trustee Fenton: that's her dual role that she plays,

[0:29:14] Trustee Fenton: or whether it should be Elder Sylvester as part of that conversation

[0:29:21] Trustee Fenton: on the day when we're talking.

[0:29:24] Trustee Fenton: It's not something we come back to them for an input.

[0:29:27] Trustee Fenton: I believe we can't have that conversation effectively

[0:29:33] Trustee Fenton: effectively without them actually seeing the conversation one and two helping us with direction

[0:29:40] Trustee Fenton: going forward okay

[0:29:42] Planner McCargar: um marlis um i just wanted to ask so uh penelaket is on the ferry advisory

[0:29:50] Planner McCargar: committee they have two members on that committee but are you saying that then you would extend the

[0:29:56] Planner McCargar: invite to others.

[0:30:00] Planner McCargar: in the tribe as well no

[0:30:02] Trustee Fenton: i'm just like the invite list currently for our meeting about the roadside

[0:30:07] Trustee Fenton: road congestion etc does not include penelope well

[0:30:12] Planner McCargar: i'm just saying they're on the ferry so it

[0:30:14] Planner McCargar: includes the ferry advisory committee and there there's two members on the ferry advisory committee

[0:30:19] Planner McCargar: from penelope but are you asking for like a separate invite that goes directly to them

[0:30:25] Trustee Fenton: well well yeah well i guess this thinking is out loud here um i was under the impression that the

[0:30:31] Trustee Fenton: invite list that i was forwarded was that they were not because this was a local conversation

[0:30:36] Trustee Fenton: they were not even though they may have it wasn't about schedules it was about this local issue so

[0:30:43] Trustee Fenton: they weren't going to be part of the conversation i guess they're

[0:30:47] Trustee Fenton: they're

[0:30:48] Planner McCargar: included just because

[0:30:49] Planner McCargar: because they are on the whole, the entire local ferry advisory committee is going to be invited

[0:30:54] Planner McCargar: and they're on

[0:30:55] Planner McCargar: that committee so they'd be invited through that avenue, but not directly I guess if that's...

[0:31:03] Planner McCargar: And

[0:31:03] Trustee Luckham: that's Sharon Cross I think and I'm not sure the name of the other person.

[0:31:07] Planner McCargar: It's Sharon Cross and Chief Joan Brown.

[0:31:11] Planner McCargar: Right.

[0:31:16] Trustee Fenton: well i mean if they are coming then that that that's good i thought that was not my understanding

[0:31:21] Trustee Fenton: in the conversation because that's i got pushed back on the fact that we were bringing like it

[0:31:28] Trustee Fenton: was a local there's a fetus issue per se right as opposed to um so the whole committee wasn't

[0:31:34] Trustee Fenton: going to be there well i

[0:31:37] Trustee Patrick: think well i'm hearing and i see the email from heather i mean if

[0:31:40] Trustee Patrick: if you want them to have a specific invite which is fine is to just make a resolution

[0:31:47] Trustee Patrick: now that they be added yeah

[0:31:49] Trustee Luckham: and maybe before we go there to a resolution and i indeed if

[0:31:57] Trustee Luckham: we want to be sure that an invite goes then we should be sure and i don't see it an issue with

[0:32:04] Trustee Luckham: that um really want to thank doug for his um uh bringing that particular topic to us but of course

[0:32:12] Trustee Luckham: the broader issue is uh is indeed a local issue which is safety around that whole traffic

[0:32:19] Trustee Luckham: congestion corner in fact it was a little scary uh yesterday when i came off a busy ferry and again

[0:32:27] Trustee Luckham: and the pattern there is that there's all these people that are standing around greeting people

[0:32:32] Trustee Luckham: that come off the ferry or meeting and picking up people that come off the ferry and parking in very

[0:32:37] Trustee Luckham: inappropriate places or actually standing in the middle of the course of traffic and so indeed

[0:32:44] Trustee Luckham: there's broad big broad issues there and we need to have this conversation with um with the ferry

[0:32:50] Trustee Luckham: company and um i know that the fac would be grateful for that but uh in speaking about the

[0:32:57] Trustee Luckham: trail piece there's there's three elements and absolutely uh i stand completely behind

[0:33:04] Trustee Luckham: recognizing that this is a burial site of ancestors and loved ones and the continued

[0:33:11] Trustee Luckham: disturbance of that is unacceptable and i tell you every time i see uh uh um uh agi sylvester

[0:33:20] Trustee Luckham: he reminds me of that and um we just need to do something about it and i think it's actually as

[0:33:26] Trustee Luckham: far back as the 50s not just the 80s it might be that in the 80s there was some renovations that

[0:33:31] Trustee Luckham: happened but from the beginning when that ferry landing was installed it was raised so it's a

[0:33:37] Trustee Luckham: long historic thing but there's three things there one of course is the burial site and the

[0:33:43] Trustee Luckham: continued disturbance of that the second is the erosion of the shoreline by people traversing up

[0:33:48] Trustee Luckham: and down that section of the waterfront and there's also public safety that if somebody hurt

[0:33:56] Trustee Luckham: hurt themselves there, BC Ferries would be liable for that. And if the ferry company is not aware of

[0:34:03] Trustee Luckham: that risk, then indeed, we need to be sure that we've raised it to their attention so that they

[0:34:09] Trustee Luckham: can address it because we don't want to be liable for that. Of course, the interesting thing, Doug,

[0:34:15] Trustee Luckham: that you point out is that there's a little alteration in the tarmac there, the paving,

[0:34:20] Trustee Luckham: that indicates as kind of a step down to that trail.

[0:34:26] Trustee Luckham: Well, that's an open invitation for people to go there,

[0:34:29] Trustee Luckham: an open invitation for people

[0:34:31] Trustee Luckham: that think the trail needs to be maintained

[0:34:33] Trustee Luckham: and an open invitation in the last three to five years

[0:34:36] Trustee Luckham: that those steps be built inappropriately,

[0:34:39] Trustee Luckham: which indeed has disturbed that site.

[0:34:43] Trustee Luckham: And so I walked that beach

[0:34:47] Trustee Luckham: as i believe you have doug with um harold joe who who identifies and points out the the placement of

[0:34:54] Trustee Luckham: the stones is hand placed purposefully to protect something so you don't need any more evidence than

[0:35:00] Trustee Luckham: that and that said i believe harold joe is available to the honest trust under contract

[0:35:05] Trustee Luckham: at the moment uh for situations where we might need a voice um uh with respect to that and

[0:35:11] Trustee Luckham: And perhaps the intergovernmental liaison or representative of that body might, I wouldn't

[0:35:21] Trustee Luckham: want to necessarily name him in a motion, but if he is available to us for situations

[0:35:31] Trustee Luckham: where it's necessary, perhaps that might be somebody on the Islands Trust side representing

[0:35:36] Trustee Luckham: the intergovernmental liaison role that could be invited.

[0:35:39] Trustee Luckham: that's my two cents thank you thank

[0:35:42] Trustee Fenton: you

[0:35:43] Trustee Luckham: thank you yeah

[0:35:45] Trustee Patrick: um i know i mean these are and i think

[0:35:49] Trustee Patrick: heather sort of hints to it in her email there because i know saturn had the same problem minus

[0:35:54] Trustee Patrick: the path through uh uh an important site but a congestion issue at their ferry terminal

[0:36:02] Trustee Patrick: which has some similarities to yours uh the trustees instead of making it they just they

[0:36:08] Trustee Patrick: just went and made the meeting happen just invited everybody and brought everybody to the table so um

[0:36:14] Trustee Patrick: i think that's the clarity is are you looking for uh trust staff to help you with this meeting um

[0:36:21] Trustee Patrick: and um i'm not sure if harold i know harold joe is going to be away so i don't know if he's

[0:36:26] Trustee Patrick: available or not now yeah

[0:36:28] Trustee Luckham: i'm not that's yeah i'm not sure about that either so thank you for that

[0:36:32] Trustee Patrick: yeah um anyway have

[0:36:34] Trustee Luckham: the meeting um and represent yep our observations we can't represent points of

[0:36:39] Trustee Luckham: view but we can represent our observations about the situation and indeed um uh whenever the next

[0:36:46] Trustee Luckham: very advisory committee perhaps that's a meeting where we just show up too um i think they are

[0:36:51] Trustee Luckham: probably like we would be welcome um so however it is that it needs to happen i think formally

[0:36:58] Trustee Luckham: Normally we think that staff might create an agenda for us and make sure that people

[0:37:02] Trustee Luckham: are invited and it's electronic, I'm presuming, and we'd just all show up, but I support it

[0:37:09] Trustee Luckham: happening.

[0:37:11] Trustee Fenton: Okay.

[0:37:11] Trustee Fenton: Thank you.

[0:37:12] Trustee Fenton: My question though, is what's changed because the conversation, the pushback I always get

[0:37:16] Trustee Fenton: was that they weren't on the list.

[0:37:19] Trustee Fenton: So what has changed since that email was sent?

[0:37:23] Trustee Fenton: I don't know.

[0:37:24] Trustee Fenton: Because the list that I had, can you, Marnus, could you?

[0:37:26] Trustee Fenton: Yeah,

[0:37:27] Planner McCargar: I think that they're not specifically listed, but they are on the advisory committee, so they're sort of by default, those people would be invited.

[0:37:37] Planner McCargar: So I think if you want to expand the invite list for one meeting, then a resolution is totally fine.

[0:37:44] Planner McCargar: And if you're willing to help to reach out to Penelakut and invite, then that's totally welcomed.

[0:37:51] Planner McCargar: but I think it was just that's the specific you're right the specific list they weren't listed

[0:37:58] Planner McCargar: but that they are on other groups that weren't we're going to get invited if that and then I

[0:38:05] Trustee Fenton: think I was trying to get clarity from like Richard specifically yeah and he was under the

[0:38:10] Trustee Fenton: impression they were and they would be an addition because the whole committee was not showing up so

[0:38:16] Trustee Fenton: I just you've got the clarity I need we just have to make sure that that gets translated because he

[0:38:21] Trustee Fenton: was picking it up sort of on the fly and trying to organize it so we just have to make sure that he

[0:38:26] Trustee Fenton: is clear on uh well

[0:38:28] Planner McCargar: and it might make it clear to just directly invite them as well like that

[0:38:33] Planner McCargar: that makes sense we

[0:38:35] Trustee Fenton: need a resolution for that yeah i've got a

[0:38:38] Trustee Fenton: couple i've uh put together sent

[0:38:40] Trustee Fenton: to uh diane oh good uh we could put that up and have us sure

[0:38:46] Trustee Patrick: or um i

[0:38:47] Trustee Fenton: don't know if someone can

[0:38:48] Trustee Patrick: share a screen or if you can just read that out for now doug i

[0:38:53] Trustee Fenton: am i initially thought i didn't

[0:38:56] Trustee Fenton: i thought they were going to be in addition to um the ferry so i did i was moved that the

[0:39:01] Trustee Fenton: uh the asylum local trust add penelope tribe to the invitee list for this meeting and that

[0:39:08] Trustee Fenton: um qualifying who they want to send one um or two whichever um so it's the most appropriate

[0:39:17] Trustee Fenton: appropriate individual like you know maybe it's the chief she may want uh August Sylvester she

[0:39:22] Trustee Fenton: might want um uh counselor Ken Thomas or something but nonetheless the right persons for that

[0:39:29] Trustee Fenton: conversation um and yeah okay before we go

[0:39:35] Trustee Patrick: before we go forward on debate um yeah so Diane if you

[0:39:39] Trustee Patrick: have the motion could I think you should add a reference to item number one for February 9th 2021

[0:39:47] Trustee Patrick: 21 in the follow-up action list, just so that we have clarity as to what this meeting is,

[0:39:54] Trustee Patrick: so the resolution can stand on its own. So, Diane, did you receive that, and go ahead.

[0:40:02] Voice 2: I did receive the email. I'm not entirely clear on what's to be added after the first

[0:40:13] Voice 2: a movement that the Penelka tribe be added to the invitee list for this meeting.

[0:40:20] Voice 2: Yeah,

[0:40:21] Trustee Patrick: either just put in parentheses.

[0:40:25] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:40:29] Voice 9: Item one, under February 9th, 2021,

[0:40:36] Trustee Patrick: on the follow-up action list.

[0:40:40] Trustee Patrick: Follow-up action report.

[0:40:42] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, I didn't get the right title for it.

[0:40:44] Trustee Patrick: I think that just gives us a reference point.

[0:40:48] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you.

[0:40:49] Trustee Patrick: all right is that motion

[0:40:51] Trustee Luckham: seconded well i i'm not going to second it at the moment because

[0:40:55] Trustee Luckham: quite honestly i would like to see what the motion is because uh sorry doug but i wasn't

[0:41:01] Trustee Luckham: articulated incredibly well um and i i sort of think that the wording needs to be really simple

[0:41:08] Trustee Luckham: and and perhaps there's maybe some pushback because it's not simple and that um i would

[0:41:15] Trustee Luckham: would suggest something along the lines that the Thetis Island LTC include

[0:41:23] Trustee Luckham: Penelakut Island members of the ferry advisory committee or designates to

[0:41:30] Trustee Luckham: speak to the, to the burial site disturbance at the Thetis Island terminals.

[0:41:37] Trustee Luckham: I think that that makes the message clear about why we want the Penelakut

[0:41:43] Trustee Luckham: at island ferry advisory committee to participate and it would be up to them to determine who those

[0:41:48] Trustee Luckham: might be but i think ostensibly what we're trying to do is contain that to the ferry advisory

[0:41:53] Trustee Luckham: committee which is appropriate um but if they want to send somebody to speak specifically about this

[0:41:59] Trustee Luckham: then that would be appropriate so i would just want to see what the motion is and i would

[0:42:04] Trustee Luckham: make some suggestion and certainly creating a motion on the fly is not the best uh uh thing

[0:42:12] Trustee Luckham: I've sent it in.

[0:42:13] Trustee Patrick: Doug sent it in.

[0:42:14] Trustee Patrick: Diane, are you able to share your screen?

[0:42:19] Trustee Patrick: No, I'm not.

[0:42:21] Voice 2: All right.

[0:42:22] Trustee Patrick: Now we've got a challenge.

[0:42:25] Trustee Fenton: How can we do that?

[0:42:26] Trustee Fenton: Doug, can

[0:42:29] Trustee Patrick: you send your email to Marlis?

[0:42:33] Trustee Fenton: I did.

[0:42:34] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:42:35] Trustee Patrick: Marlis, can you share your screen?

[0:42:38] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[0:42:43] Planner McCargar: I also shared what the original resolution was just a

[0:42:48] Trustee Patrick: few minutes ago.

[0:42:49] Planner McCargar: So

[0:42:53] Trustee Fenton: we could change that to say Penelope Tribe Paragon Committee are members of and or

[0:43:00] Trustee Fenton: designees?

[0:43:02] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, that would be great.

[0:43:04] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so let's

[0:43:05] Trustee Fenton: make a difference when you can actually see it.

[0:43:08] Trustee Patrick: For

[0:43:08] Trustee Luckham: me, it makes sense.

[0:43:09] Trustee Patrick: That's all right.

[0:43:10] Trustee Patrick: Diane will read it back, but just want to be clear to how you're amending it.

[0:43:14] Trustee Patrick: she's added a parentheses at the end just to give it context to that motion that's in the follow-up

[0:43:19] Trustee Patrick: action list um and uh oh here we go um whoops

[0:43:29] Voice 9: oh

[0:43:31] Trustee Patrick: there we go so what would

[0:43:33] Trustee Luckham: you like i would

[0:43:34] Trustee Luckham: suggest the penelope tribe f ferry advisory committee members or designate between uh

[0:43:41] Trustee Luckham: tribe and member yeah and

[0:43:47] Voice 9: I would

[0:43:48] Voice 5: leave out the brackets and skip

[0:43:50] Trustee Luckham: the word member at the

[0:43:51] Trustee Luckham: beginning because it's a repetition and I would always like to spell spell out fairy advisory

[0:44:00] Trustee Luckham: committee in full yeah and then

[0:44:13] Trustee Patrick: Diane got I think the parenthesis at the end which is just the

[0:44:17] Trustee Patrick: reference to that I do

[0:44:20] Trustee Luckham: wonder whether or not you want to be specific in this so that that invite

[0:44:24] Trustee Luckham: can be worded accordingly to speak specifically about the disturbance burial site disturbance

[0:44:30] Trustee Fenton: yes yeah especially for the first time in this conversation yep so

[0:44:37] Trustee Patrick: do you want that right

[0:44:38] Trustee Patrick: to

[0:44:39] Trustee Fenton: speak uh to the meeting to speak to the um disturbance

[0:44:54] Trustee Luckham: It just needs to be short and simple.

[0:44:56] Trustee Fenton: Okay, disturbance.

[0:44:58] Trustee Fenton: The disturbance of the archaeological site.

[0:45:05] Trustee Luckham: I'd use burial site, you may as well call it what it is.

[0:45:09] Voice 9: All

[0:45:12] Trustee Patrick: right, how you feeling?

[0:45:14] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:45:15] Trustee Patrick: Is that a motion you can second, Trustee Luckert?

[0:45:18] Trustee Patrick: Yes, absolutely.

[0:45:19] Planner McCargar: Do you

[0:45:19] Planner McCargar: want it to say at where specifically or?

[0:45:24] Planner McCargar: I don't care that BC Ferry.

[0:45:28] Planner McCargar: Well,

[0:45:28] Trustee Fenton: you, you've, oh, okay.

[0:45:31] Trustee Fenton: BC Ferry Thermodol Thetis, which is obvious again,

[0:45:36] Trustee Fenton: but then for the outside, maybe not.

[0:45:39] Trustee Fenton: All right.

[0:45:40] Trustee Fenton: So I'll

[0:45:40] Trustee Patrick: take that as a friendly admission to the motion.

[0:45:44] Trustee Patrick: I'll

[0:45:44] Trustee Luckham: second that motion.

[0:45:45] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:45:46] Trustee Patrick: So Diane is copying that down as, as we speak.

[0:45:50] Trustee Patrick: So is there any discussion on this motion?

[0:45:52] Trustee Patrick: Any further discussion?

[0:45:54] Trustee Fenton: It's a concert.

[0:45:58] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[0:46:01] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:46:02] Voice 8: All right.

[0:46:04] Trustee Patrick: And that carries.

[0:46:06] Trustee Patrick: So Marlis sent that to Diane, I'm sure.

[0:46:08] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Marlis, for helping us through that moment.

[0:46:12] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:46:13] Trustee Patrick: Did you have further motions?

[0:46:15] Trustee Patrick: Yes, one more.

[0:46:16] Trustee Fenton: The next one on that, Marlis, please.

[0:46:19] Trustee Fenton: up

[0:46:26] Voice 9: on the screen again yep marlis

[0:46:28] Trustee Patrick: is working away on it i can see her

[0:46:32] Trustee Patrick: it's coming there

[0:46:34] Trustee Fenton: we go so the second one there sort of do

[0:46:40] Trustee Patrick: you want to discuss it first

[0:46:53] Trustee Patrick: let's discuss this before it's moved just so we can work on it so what is your intent here doug

[0:47:00] Trustee Fenton: just to acknowledge um that manager car made it clear that she struggles with

[0:47:08] Trustee Fenton: capacity right now and i told her that i would assist with any additional follow-up um

[0:47:15] Trustee Fenton: with respect to facilitating notice to penelope having a conversation with them about who that

[0:47:22] Trustee Fenton: might be what their designates might be and whether or not they need if there's transportation

[0:47:27] Trustee Fenton: costs or associated honorariums

[0:47:30] Voice 8: would

[0:47:35] Trustee Patrick: this motion be more that the uh fetus island local trust

[0:47:39] Trustee Patrick: committee requests doug fenton to assist staff with facilitation of this meeting or something

[0:47:46] Trustee Patrick: of that nature is that really what this is that what that would more or less be uh look to trustee

[0:47:53] Trustee Patrick: for

[0:47:55] Trustee Luckham: simplicity i would also try to make that simple that um the and i'm going to add something

[0:48:04] Trustee Luckham: here as well that the thetis on local trust committee uh uh asked uh have trust uh that

[0:48:11] Trustee Luckham: thetis the thetis on local trust committee uh endorsed uh trustee fenton to uh engage with

[0:48:19] Trustee Luckham: with Penelope for their participation in the BC Ferries,

[0:48:23] Trustee Luckham: meeting with BC Ferries in motion number XYZ above.

[0:48:30] Trustee Luckham: I can't help but think, and so that's more or less my thinking there,

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham: just to make that simpler.

[0:48:35] Trustee Luckham: I can't help but think that what I would like to say, actually,

[0:48:41] Trustee Luckham: is that Doug Fenton work with the chair of the Ferry Advisory Committee

[0:48:45] Trustee Luckham: to facilitate that because we're kind of in some to some extent crashing their party

[0:48:55] Trustee Luckham: and I would want to maybe have permission from Keith Rush who's the representative on that

[0:49:03] Trustee Luckham: so I'm curious about what Doug you think about that idea yeah

[0:49:10] Trustee Fenton: again I was

[0:49:11] Trustee Fenton: was, I would say, confused, but still lacked clarity as to whose meeting they are being

[0:49:20] Trustee Fenton: invited to, or we are coordinating a meeting, right, that they are invited to, so in a sense,

[0:49:26] Trustee Fenton: we're not inviting, they're being, yeah, we're not actually running their meeting, we're actually

[0:49:34] Voice 5: saying they're

[0:49:35] Trustee Luckham: invited. Sure, so have you had a conversation with Keith Rush at this point?

[0:49:40] Trustee Luckham: will happen

[0:49:41] Trustee Fenton: nope but i'm happy to to do that but i've was again i wanted to get my head around

[0:49:47] Trustee Fenton: what's actually happening and what are

[0:49:49] Trustee Fenton: okay so then

[0:49:50] Trustee Patrick: then why don't you have a uh doug fenton

[0:49:53] Trustee Patrick: engage instead of work with engage with the ferry advisory committee and penelakut tribe

[0:50:01] Trustee Luckham: sure

[0:50:03] Trustee Luckham: i was going to suggest just to kind of make it simpler than that that the thebes island

[0:50:08] Trustee Luckham: and LTC endorsed trustee Fenton

[0:50:13] Trustee Luckham: with the Ferry Advisory Committee chair

[0:50:16] Trustee Luckham: and Penelope Tribe.

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I kind of got the wording slightly different.

[0:50:22] Trustee Luckham: But I think that if Doug worked

[0:50:24] Trustee Luckham: with Keith Rush, the Ferry Advisory Committee chair

[0:50:27] Trustee Luckham: to engage, yeah, sorry.

[0:50:33] Trustee Luckham: You got FAC twice, although it's, yeah, sorry.

[0:50:38] Trustee Luckham: I know it's, this is the problem

[0:50:40] Trustee Luckham: with trying to create motions on the fly to engage with the penelope tribe uh regarding um the

[0:50:49] Trustee Luckham: thetis terminal well

[0:50:52] Trustee Patrick: but this is a different issue all we're trying to do doug is just helping get

[0:50:55] Trustee Patrick: people to a meeting in

[0:50:58] Trustee Luckham: this case yeah

[0:50:59] Trustee Patrick: so that's

[0:51:00] Trustee Luckham: true okay so to attend a meeting and then just

[0:51:02] Trustee Patrick: make

[0:51:02] Trustee Luckham: it to it to to uh attend a meeting with the penelope tribe or whatever how it is well

[0:51:10] Trustee Patrick: well, attend the meeting that has already been referenced.

[0:51:13] Trustee Patrick: So the February 9th action list thing, again,

[0:51:18] Trustee Patrick: or the motion number above.

[0:51:23] Trustee Luckham: And Doug, if I remember rightly, in my conversation with Wendy,

[0:51:27] Trustee Luckham: Wendy has had a conversation with the chair of the FAC.

[0:51:32] Trustee Luckham: Is that correct?

[0:51:34] Trustee Luckham: Wendy.

[0:51:35] Trustee Fenton: Oh, sorry, Vicky.

[0:51:37] Trustee Fenton: Vicky.

[0:51:39] Trustee Fenton: Well, she's talked to most of the players,

[0:51:43] Trustee Fenton: um like i don't she hasn't specifically said keith but she was addressing sort of all okay yeah

[0:51:50] Trustee Luckham: anyway and i'm happy to work with you on that too so um i think if that's what you want to do

[0:51:56] Trustee Luckham: i would suggest that it that we keep the fac close to our side on this rather than

[0:52:03] Trustee Luckham: they being blindsided by something yeah

[0:52:06] Trustee Fenton: well i think maybe it's kira's getting on board or sort

[0:52:09] Trustee Fenton: this whole piece of reconciliation and what that looks like you know learning on the fly here too

[0:52:14] Trustee Fenton: but this may be a good opportunity for uh fairy committee as well actually so doug how

[0:52:21] Trustee Patrick: do you feel

[0:52:21] Trustee Patrick: about that uh good below you is that the intent of what you wanted

[0:52:28] Trustee Fenton: yes and

[0:52:30] Trustee Patrick: uh peter's gonna second

[0:52:32] Trustee Patrick: that motion that's great uh any just further discussion on the motion i'll call the vote

[0:52:39] Trustee Patrick: then all those in favor and that carries and did you have one more or no well

[0:52:49] Trustee Fenton: i'll put it

[0:52:50] Trustee Fenton: there for conversation and that is whether there is there any need for funding or budgets associated

[0:52:56] Trustee Fenton: with any of this um because um you know well

[0:53:07] Trustee Patrick: what do you think uh

[0:53:10] Trustee Fenton: has possibilities depending on who

[0:53:13] Trustee Fenton: they designate i'm not sure what their normal routine is with respect to the fairy committee

[0:53:18] Trustee Fenton: meetings and who attends and where um but anytime we haven't thought about money it's come up

[0:53:27] Trustee Fenton: so i'm just trying to hit that off that we should be thinking about you know i came up roughly for

[0:53:33] Trustee Fenton: you know the 400-ish so if we need to bring in an elder and or um fairy costs at a minimum you

[0:53:41] Trustee Fenton: know we're trying for the day um or pick them up or do something like that and those should be

[0:53:47] Trustee Fenton: covered not at somebody else's expense yeah

[0:53:50] Trustee Luckham: you know i think that that is a conversation to have

[0:53:52] Trustee Luckham: with the ferry advisory committee chair as to how they normally because it's sort of a quasi

[0:53:57] Trustee Luckham: ferry company meeting and the ferry company should fund it if nobody else does but um

[0:54:07] Trustee Luckham: okay this is also a resolution that we could make as an rwm if it becomes necessary if we

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick: actually

[0:54:12] Trustee Luckham: need it yeah yeah

[0:54:14] Trustee Patrick: no i think that and it's also this is another point as um you know

[0:54:19] Trustee Patrick: i sort of look at as we come to the end of the term and the advice that we can put forward for

[0:54:24] Trustee Patrick: like budget planning for next year and all of those things i you know i look at our this trust

[0:54:31] Trustee Patrick: committee's uh budget expense report and we probably should have standing item for uh you know

[0:54:37] Trustee Patrick: of capacity for inviting first nations more to meetings so um well i would argue that

[0:54:47] Trustee Fenton: this anything that any discussion and it shouldn't be on a referral sort of approach like we've

[0:54:56] Trustee Fenton: been using to date that any conversation that disturbs the ground with a shovel

[0:55:02] Trustee Fenton: level of

[0:55:03] Trustee Fenton: any kind requires them present in part of that conversation unless it's by Zoom and that we

[0:55:11] Trustee Fenton: can't just make that decision for them they need to be I know

[0:55:16] Trustee Patrick: I agree and it's also part of our

[0:55:18] Trustee Patrick: relationship building uh not only are they present you should be present and as Trustees so that

[0:55:24] Trustee Patrick: we're building those relationships um uh as we go forward so um like I'm just recognizing these are

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick: are opportunities we need to pay attention to as we try to set up the next term for success

[0:55:34] Trustee Patrick: and uh to have the resources they need to create these relationships so that's that's all i was

[0:55:41] Trustee Patrick: really talking about so is

[0:55:43] Trustee Fenton: there a step

[0:55:43] Trustee Patrick: for that though um way

[0:55:45] Trustee Fenton: too actually for our yes

[0:55:49] Trustee Patrick: we have

[0:55:50] Trustee Patrick: finance committee tomorrow and i think these are things that um you know we need to be having these

[0:55:54] Trustee Patrick: conversations or is it tomorrow or next week sorry that's tomorrow I think Peter

[0:56:03] Trustee Patrick: he looked confused for a minute it's like well

[0:56:06] Trustee Luckham: you know I've discovered that there are

[0:56:11] Trustee Luckham: meetings that are being held and are not I discovered this yesterday with respect to

[0:56:16] Trustee Luckham: South Pender there are meetings that are not on my calendar yeah

[0:56:20] Trustee Patrick: no we definitely have financial

[0:56:21] Trustee Patrick: No,

[0:56:21] Trustee Luckham: that's definitely on my calendar as well, yeah.

[0:56:24] Trustee Patrick: So, yeah, no, Peter and I can bring that up at the Financial Planning Committee,

[0:56:28] Trustee Patrick: and as we go forward, and that's just a separate issue, I was just catching that.

[0:56:34] Trustee Patrick: All right, but that's

[0:56:34] Trustee Patrick: a good catch.

[0:56:35] Trustee Patrick: So I guess we can not have a motion right now, and as you have those conversations to set up this meeting, if it becomes necessary, that we could do an RWM to fund that.

[0:56:45] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:56:46] Trustee Patrick: Okay, Marlis?

[0:56:47] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[0:56:48] Planner McCargar: I just wanted to ask for some clarity. So I know Mike Richards is available to help with you, Trustee Fenton, to coordinate with this meeting and do some inviting.

[0:56:58] Planner McCargar: He did mention that October was sort of talked about as some potential dates, and it's really busy for a lot of trustee schedules and just generally really busy.

[0:57:10] Planner McCargar: um so i guess what if people aren't available are you okay to to push it to push it i guess

[0:57:20] Planner McCargar: into the next term or um how do you want to do that or do you want this meeting to just go ahead

[0:57:27] Planner McCargar: with whoever can attend yeah

[0:57:29] Trustee Patrick: i i don't see this is not a meeting i need to be at i mean i i this

[0:57:33] Trustee Patrick: this is really i'm pleased to have the local trustees represented at the meeting um and

[0:57:41] Trustee Patrick: so my schedule which is pretty poor in october um isn't an issue and would

[0:57:50] Trustee Patrick: you want it

[0:57:50] Trustee Luckham: i had

[0:57:51] Trustee Luckham: an expectation of what happened sooner than october

[0:57:54] Trustee Patrick: okay

[0:57:55] Trustee Fenton: well it should definitely happen

[0:57:59] Trustee Fenton: before the terms up because this should be just like our first sort of uh as chair patrick has

[0:58:04] Trustee Fenton: has pointed to sort of setting up the next term for success.

[0:58:08] Trustee Fenton: We're just sort of down and on the ground.

[0:58:13] Trustee Fenton: We've had a conversation,

[0:58:14] Trustee Fenton: our first conversation anyways,

[0:58:15] Trustee Fenton: to open the door to others opportunity.

[0:58:21] Planner McCargar: And do you want it to happen on Thetis

[0:58:22] Planner McCargar: or Shamanus or online?

[0:58:25] Trustee Fenton: Well, it could happen online.

[0:58:26] Planner McCargar: Yeah, on location.

[0:58:27] Trustee Fenton: In place.

[0:58:29] Trustee Fenton: Where do you say, Dan?

[0:58:30] Trustee Fenton: In place, like right in situ on that,

[0:58:34] Trustee Fenton: right at the ferry terminal itself is my sense how can you not i

[0:58:41] Trustee Luckham: mean knife well it's not a meeting

[0:58:44] Trustee Luckham: place to start there's safety issues around that um but

[0:58:49] Trustee Fenton: anyway but we could be in a community doc

[0:58:52] Trustee Fenton: or we could do something to make it safe um but i think it needs to be in situ to they actually have

[0:58:59] Trustee Fenton: is our conversation so you could do it by zoom but yeah

[0:59:06] Trustee Luckham: you know to make it happen i would suggest

[0:59:11] Trustee Luckham: we do it electronically the ferry company can visit the site and we would be happy to attend

[0:59:15] Trustee Luckham: them with them and we could suggest that at the meeting um but i think we don't want to make it

[0:59:22] Trustee Luckham: more complicated and not have it happen i think we should have the opportunity to tell them what

[0:59:28] Trustee Luckham: we think and that that's going to happen best electronically i understand exactly what you're

[0:59:36] Trustee Luckham: saying doug but well

[0:59:39] Trustee Patrick: i think these are conversations as you start having it with people that these this

[0:59:42] Trustee Patrick: this that detail will come out so keep

[0:59:45] Trustee Fenton: in touch with

[0:59:45] Trustee Patrick: mike richards and uh at a minimum

[0:59:51] Trustee Fenton: see

[0:59:51] Trustee Patrick: how it evolves okay

[0:59:53] Voice 8: all

[0:59:55] Trustee Patrick: right is there any other questions on the follow-up action list

[1:00:01] Trustee Luckham: um back to the follow-up action list yes all right

[1:00:09] Trustee Patrick: go for it yeah

[1:00:11] Trustee Luckham: just because this is our last

[1:00:13] Trustee Luckham: meeting of this term this is an important opportunity to understand where the follow-up

[1:00:17] Trustee Luckham: action list report is and i do recognize that we've got the reporting coming to us later in

[1:00:22] Trustee Luckham: the package with respect to projects and all that sort of stuff but um just particularly

[1:00:28] Trustee Luckham: wondering about the August 3rd, 2021 discussion paper for shoreline coastal protection.

[1:00:36] Trustee Luckham: It says in progress there, and certainly we've made some movement and development in that area

[1:00:43] Trustee Luckham: by the shoreline excursions that we've made. And Marlis, it may be unfair to put you in a

[1:00:51] Trustee Luckham: position to answer that question, but where exactly is that and what's the expectation

[1:00:57] Trustee Luckham: expectation about a delivery on that? And is there something that even this LTC, these presently

[1:01:04] Trustee Luckham: sitting members, need to provide you in terms of feedback or inclusion in order to create at least

[1:01:12] Trustee Luckham: some kind of a summary draft report that might end up on the table of an incoming LTC? Even though

[1:01:19] Trustee Luckham: I expect, I hope to be here, but just, you know, you never know.

[1:01:25] Planner McCargar: I'm not sure on where this is at

[1:01:28] Planner McCargar: to my knowledge there isn't a staff assigned to prepare a discussion paper um but i'd have

[1:01:36] Planner McCargar: to to follow up with yeah

[1:01:38] Trustee Luckham: i expect that that is the case but just wanted to have some understanding

[1:01:43] Trustee Luckham: so um that's fine then that's a good answer um just to confirm what i thought um i'm just

[1:01:52] Trustee Luckham: looking i'm just trying to scroll through here let's see you know it's funny when i split my

[1:01:57] Trustee Luckham: screen so I can see you lovely people. I lose my scrolling ability.

[1:02:03] Voice 5: February 2021. Staff

[1:02:07] Voice 5: regional committees. That's okay. That's okay.

[1:02:16] Trustee Luckham: Oh, and then there was the thing about

[1:02:18] Trustee Luckham: the photo repository. I don't recall, and that might be my fault, having an indication

[1:02:27] Trustee Luckham: of where is that we might spool up some of those photos so they became part of a record which is

[1:02:35] Trustee Luckham: kind of associated with that earlier report. That's at the May 3rd, item number two. Is there

[1:02:42] Trustee Luckham: a repository on WebDAV or something specific to that?

[1:02:49] Planner McCargar: I believe that Heather's still looking into

[1:02:52] Planner McCargar: that one.

[1:02:52] Trustee Luckham: I see. Okay. Well, a folder on WebDAV would be as simple as anything. And then I would

[1:02:58] Trustee Luckham: put, I have photos that I would like to put there. So that would be good. I'll flag that on that.

[1:03:06] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[1:03:08] Voice 5: And that one's completed. And that's done, completed, completed. So those will all fall off

[1:03:17] Trustee Luckham: the list. Completed. So these are all completed. That's wonderful. It's great to see all the

[1:03:22] Trustee Luckham: completed items. And I want to thank everybody for that. So that's it for me on the follow-up

[1:03:26] Trustee Luckham: excellent thank you all

[1:03:28] Trustee Patrick: right no other questions from you just no okay

[1:03:32] Trustee Fenton: but thank you uh mr luck

[1:03:35] Trustee Fenton: and practice you know part of my issue seeing this full circle right and to sort of see the

[1:03:40] Trustee Fenton: term come to a conclusion and how we might move forward so um just appreciate the guidance on

[1:03:46] Trustee Fenton: that because that sets us up when we come back if we come back um and whoever does come back

[1:03:52] Trustee Fenton: with a record that we actually accomplished quite a bit in spite of ourselves well

[1:03:58] Trustee Patrick: thank you and i

[1:03:59] Trustee Patrick: doug i think you were at the regional planning committee meeting last week so i think both of

[1:04:04] Trustee Patrick: you were because that was i was trying to get our the the chair report to kind of bring that point

[1:04:10] Trustee Patrick: up about you know yes it is advice to trustees but or to local trust committees but we have the

[1:04:17] Trustee Patrick: standing resolution that starts with you know on reconciliation and our relationships and says

[1:04:22] Trustee Patrick: send a letter to the uh you know to your first nations and it's like i think we should start

[1:04:28] Trustee Patrick: the trustees off with something stronger like meet with them sit down eat a meal you know

[1:04:34] Trustee Patrick: begin the term off with a strong you know indication of a relationship not uh you know

[1:04:41] Trustee Patrick: because that will help set the tone for the remainder of the, of the,

[1:04:45] Trustee Patrick: of the term. Cause, uh, but I think, I think you, you,

[1:04:50] Trustee Patrick: you two are walking the talk as I say, and, um, and,

[1:04:54] Trustee Patrick: and taking the actions and, um, um, and starting that,

[1:04:59] Trustee Patrick: that path. So thank you. Okay.

[1:05:04] Trustee Patrick: So the next item.

[1:05:06] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Laura. I just reflecting on your words and thank you, uh,

[1:05:10] Trustee Luckham: for your kind words however humbly i must say in our walking we stumble and make mistakes and

[1:05:17] Trustee Luckham: that's a learning journey and we are doing that i'm doing that and i'm humbled to know that i

[1:05:24] Trustee Luckham: also trip and fall so

[1:05:25] Trustee Patrick: uh that's what i i love um john jack from uh uh over the chair of the

[1:05:31] Trustee Patrick: bernie clayquat regional district and those are his words that um you know we will make mistakes

[1:05:38] Trustee Patrick: but we have to learn from them and carry on on building that relationship and um um and it you

[1:05:45] Trustee Patrick: know it it is humbling to know that they know we'll make mistakes but we have to keep moving

[1:05:51] Trustee Patrick: and moving forward as we create this relationship yeah

[1:05:55] Trustee Luckham: so i'm just acknowledging my own mistakes

[1:05:57] Trustee Luckham: as i try to do the right

[1:05:59] Trustee Patrick: we're all we're all we're all doing it

[1:06:04] Trustee Fenton: you're not by yourself in the

[1:06:06] Trustee Fenton: we're all

[1:06:08] Trustee Patrick: tripling tripping and stumbling our way forward but

[1:06:11] Trustee Fenton: they would my experience with um

[1:06:13] Trustee Fenton: in getting to spend some time for example with the um canoe family to lummi just endless mistakes

[1:06:22] Trustee Fenton: made by both sides all the time but you know because you're in the canoe you just you're there

[1:06:29] Trustee Fenton: for each other and you people were patient it was amazing and that is a message that constantly said

[1:06:35] Trustee Fenton: just don't don't be afraid just but actually be humble enough to accept it and about be there

[1:06:41] Trustee Fenton: because they want us to be out there trying and that is really important so don't be afraid of it

[1:06:47] Trustee Fenton: just trustee luck is not afraid of it at all but it's it is it is one of those things some days

[1:06:53] Trustee Fenton: all right

[1:06:55] Trustee Patrick: so the next item it's the referral bylaw 530 but we're post public hearing um

[1:07:06] Trustee Patrick: So is it appropriate for this trust committee to respond to a referral post-public hearing?

[1:07:15] Trustee Patrick: I don't know. Who's got the experience on an answer of that nature?

[1:07:19] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[1:07:19] Trustee Luckham: I'll tell you what, Trustee Patrick, I don't think it's a concern because we're not

[1:07:22] Trustee Luckham: going to tell them anything that they don't already know. And I think that's the key in

[1:07:27] Trustee Luckham: that new information. Well, two

[1:07:28] Trustee Luckham: of

[1:07:30] Trustee Patrick: us make a quorum of that other local trust committee.

[1:07:33] Trustee Luckham: Two of us make

[1:07:36] Trustee Patrick: a quorum for Salt Spring.

[1:07:38] Trustee Luckham: Oh, you're right. Sorry.

[1:07:40] Trustee Luckham: I don't know why I was thinking four.

[1:07:43] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, I honestly don't think there's any harm

[1:07:46] Trustee Luckham: in the Thetis Island LTC advising the Salt Spring Island

[1:07:49] Trustee Luckham: Local Trust Committee that its interests are unaffected

[1:07:51] Trustee Luckham: by By-law 530.

[1:07:55] Trustee Patrick: If that's the motion,

[1:07:57] Trustee Patrick: is that the motion you're putting on the floor?

[1:08:00] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:08:01] Trustee Luckham: all

[1:08:02] Trustee Patrick: right so diane did you get that uh trustee luckham made a motion that the

[1:08:08] Trustee Patrick: decided local trust committee's interests are unaffected by bylaw you got to put all that in

[1:08:13] Trustee Patrick: there five three zero

[1:08:15] Trustee Patrick: five three zero salt spring island trust bylaw five three zero

[1:08:19] Trustee Patrick: is there a second to that motion seconded by trustee fenton any discussion i'll call the

[1:08:27] Trustee Patrick: vote then all those in favor and that's carried so thank you for dealing with that delicately

[1:08:35] Trustee Patrick: all right so the next item on the agenda then is item 9.1 a term and projects report uh it's on

[1:08:46] Trustee Patrick: page 22 of the um and i assume marla so are you going to give this report since heather's not here

[1:08:54] Trustee Patrick: or nope i think you're muted marlis um

[1:09:02] Planner McCargar: yes i can do my best here so this is just a report that's

[1:09:09] Planner McCargar: coming from the last meeting where we had a lot of discussion on the top priorities and the projects

[1:09:15] Planner McCargar: list for the incoming ltc so the recommendation is that the thetis island local trust committee

[1:09:21] Planner McCargar: endorsed the top priorities list and projects list as presented on august 30th 2022 for further

[1:09:28] Planner McCargar: consideration by incoming local trust committee um so yeah it was at the last meeting that we

[1:09:35] Planner McCargar: we discussed it and i can yeah so i think there's

[1:09:39] Planner McCargar: any discussion yeah

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick: we can just went through this

[1:09:42] Trustee Patrick: yesterday with heather on luskete uh so what would be good is to look at on page 24 let's first look

[1:09:48] Trustee Patrick: at the top priorities table and basically if you are okay with the table as presented

[1:09:54] Trustee Patrick: then we endorse it as it, or we need to amend the table that's presented by, you know, that

[1:10:00] Trustee Patrick: information was how we handled it yesterday. So let's first look at the priority list, which is

[1:10:05] Trustee Patrick: the first one on page 24. Are there any changes you'd like to make to that or?

[1:10:14] Voice 5: I'd like to have

[1:10:15] Voice 5: a discussion. Yeah.

[1:10:22] Trustee Luckham: Generally and broadly, I'm certainly would endorse this. And in sort of

[1:10:28] Trustee Luckham: of reflecting on it through as Doug Fenton said just in the whole picture now at the end of this

[1:10:34] Trustee Luckham: term and thinking about what we've done and what we might have done differently and this indeed

[1:10:41] Trustee Luckham: is a list that we're going to pass off to the incoming LTC and that's an opportunity to message

[1:10:48] Trustee Luckham: and I guess I just I'm thinking that the one item that I would have been really glad to have made

[1:10:56] Trustee Luckham: some uh provided some direction on and um and didn't um recognize that it was not a priority

[1:11:05] Trustee Luckham: but i think actually as time goes on uh is a priority and it's the soil removal bylaw

[1:11:11] Trustee Luckham: there's a real need there's actually a community need to address that with respect to composting

[1:11:17] Trustee Luckham: facilities. And I wonder how a project, a top priority that may be achievable in a relatively

[1:11:29] Trustee Luckham: short period of time with sufficient resources and planning might be accomplished where it's

[1:11:38] Trustee Luckham: much more defined and goal and and limited resources to accomplish that as opposed to the

[1:11:46] Trustee Luckham: more lofty um uh activities that we've indeed been conducting very well this year of but of which

[1:11:54] Trustee Luckham: there isn't a significant process and a bylaw coming forward that gets adopted etc etc and the

[1:12:00] Trustee Luckham: soil removal bylaw is something that i think fits into that nature compared to the first nations and

[1:12:07] Trustee Luckham: housing and shoreline which is more lofty and more um is simply just not going to happen quickly

[1:12:15] Trustee Luckham: and whether or not

[1:12:16] Trustee Luckham: that should be uh uh those priorities should be switched around so i i just

[1:12:21] Trustee Patrick: want to raise uh north pender had that idea and thought that it was going to be a simple thing

[1:12:26] Trustee Patrick: to just take

[1:12:27] Trustee Patrick: salt springs bylaw and do it on north pender and it turned out that salt

[1:12:31] Trustee Patrick: springs bylaw needs some updating and has some challenges um and uh and it then staff on north

[1:12:38] Trustee Patrick: pender had held meetings with every contractor on the island to get some initial you know feedback

[1:12:45] Trustee Patrick: on on the bylaw and uh it and it it has not progressed on north pender and it didn't turn

[1:12:51] Trustee Patrick: into something simple so i just wanted to warn you that it's it's not simply taking salt spring and

[1:12:57] Trustee Patrick: applying it salt springs has got needs updating well

[1:13:02] Trustee Luckham: that's a sobering thought thank you for that

[1:13:05] Trustee Luckham: not privy to that conversation but you know indeed fetus is a is a different creature much

[1:13:10] Trustee Luckham: smaller population very few contractors involved and it's an important need that has been represented

[1:13:17] Trustee Luckham: for some time so with that said um i would just say let's leave this here because it's not really

[1:13:24] Trustee Luckham: really informed discussion today as it is.

[1:13:27] Trustee Luckham: I'm happy to support it, but I will, if I'm, if I'm fortunate to be here,

[1:13:31] Trustee Luckham: I will be looking to advance that.

[1:13:33] Trustee Patrick: And I was going to say, and Marlis,

[1:13:34] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if there's any way of capturing that because I'm aware of what

[1:13:39] Trustee Patrick: North Penn, that, you know,

[1:13:41] Trustee Patrick: regional planning manager Robert Kojima did quite a bit of work on that issue

[1:13:46] Trustee Patrick: recently. So that's something that, you know,

[1:13:50] Trustee Patrick: would benefit the northern office to be aware of if a northern island is considering a soil

[1:13:56] Trustee Patrick: removal bylaw it

[1:13:58] Planner McCargar: it does say in um the activity notes to include consideration oh that's right

[1:14:04] Trustee Luckham: and

[1:14:04] Planner McCargar: salt spring so i think that that would be captured there yeah

[1:14:08] Trustee Luckham: well what might be beneficial

[1:14:09] Trustee Luckham: there is simply for me to have a conversation with robert kajima next time i see him to ask

[1:14:13] Trustee Luckham: him that because that would be definitely informative yeah thank you i'm happy to leave

[1:14:18] Trustee Luckham: it the way it is that's why i want to have a discussion to understand right

[1:14:21] Trustee Patrick: super trustee

[1:14:23] Trustee Patrick: fenton are there are you satisfied with the way it's presented for yeah

[1:14:27] Trustee Fenton: again conversational um

[1:14:29] Trustee Fenton: with respect to another thing that's come up in the last few months and that is this whole sort

[1:14:35] Trustee Fenton: of a transportation or active transit or transportation planning and there's grant

[1:14:40] Trustee Fenton: opportunities etc it's not on the table yet and one of our challenges and i'm part of the problem

[1:14:47] Trustee Fenton: own as much as anybody but it hasn't been brought to the LTC as a project or a concern or uh here's

[1:14:53] Trustee Fenton: something we could do but has been brought up as you know can we support them now that we can

[1:14:57] Trustee Fenton: actually sponsor or work with people and apply for grants um it's an important element it's

[1:15:06] Trustee Fenton: something that I have not spent much if any time on at all but I do reside here and it's a challenge

[1:15:13] Trustee Fenton: um nonetheless but so I don't know is how would that fit or where would that fit is that something

[1:15:21] Trustee Fenton: that should be put into under the we could

[1:15:26] Trustee Fenton: always do it on

[1:15:27] Trustee Patrick: the projects list under item number one

[1:15:30] Trustee Patrick: OCP LUV you could either add another subcategory on active transportation under the projects because

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick: the projects just

[1:15:38] Trustee Fenton: going down here

[1:15:40] Trustee Patrick: you can either add it as a subcategory because it would be

[1:15:44] Trustee Patrick: under the OCPLUB, because that's where the

[1:15:46] Trustee Fenton: action is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But even if it was, yeah,

[1:15:50] Trustee Fenton: I just think that it's something we need to figure out. My issues, of course, my focus in life has

[1:15:55] Trustee Fenton: been the First Nations side of it, and the shoreline work is what I, indicators are sort of

[1:16:03] Trustee Fenton: my world. But at the same time, it's important that we figure out how to get around Thetis,

[1:16:09] Trustee Fenton: even though it's different than a lot of the other islands in that regard. It's got some

[1:16:13] Trustee Fenton: and serious challenges.

[1:16:14] Trustee Fenton: There are some money and opportunities with planning

[1:16:17] Trustee Fenton: that I think that in itself would be advantageous.

[1:16:24] Trustee Fenton: Manager Howard brought up the fact that

[1:16:26] Trustee Fenton: you know, the planners,

[1:16:27] Trustee Fenton: on-stress planners could actually be the ones doing it,

[1:16:31] Trustee Fenton: you know, can actually do the planning

[1:16:32] Trustee Fenton: as opposed to sending it off to another third party,

[1:16:36] Trustee Fenton: whether that's good or bad,

[1:16:38] Trustee Fenton: but nonetheless there's some flexibility

[1:16:39] Trustee Fenton: or some opportunity there.

[1:16:41] Trustee Fenton: and maybe somebody else's or another ltc has already done this um therefore we can once again

[1:16:48] Trustee Fenton: benefit from that yeah the act it's the

[1:16:51] Trustee Patrick: the act of transportation i know in the southern gulf

[1:16:54] Trustee Patrick: islands the crd through its uh you know has transportation commissions um have been more

[1:17:01] Trustee Patrick: the leading um agency for active transportation we've been involved in that you know your ocp

[1:17:10] Trustee Patrick: has maps and drawings and shows where the priorities are for bicycle routes and things

[1:17:16] Trustee Patrick: of that nature is

[1:17:18] Trustee Fenton: that something that maybe we should be looking at as well yes we could do

[1:17:22] Trustee Fenton: grants but maybe our work is different in that regard maybe the CBRD might take a more active

[1:17:28] Trustee Fenton: role in that I don't know I'll just pick it up I

[1:17:34] Trustee Patrick: mean for now you could either make it a we could

[1:17:37] Trustee Patrick: add it to number one of the projects list as a active transportation conversation

[1:17:44] Trustee Fenton: planning or

[1:17:45] Trustee Patrick: active transportation topic underneath an ocplub

[1:17:50] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:17:50] Voice 5: so i was just i just jumped forward

[1:17:55] Trustee Luckham: to um our projects and top projects list

[1:17:59] Trustee Luckham: uh in this agenda package which reflects the work that um we currently have and what i'm presuming

[1:18:07] Trustee Luckham: uh uh more or less here is that we're actually talking about replacing that list with the with

[1:18:13] Trustee Luckham: these two lists and i'm satisfied with that but i agree with doug the active transportation

[1:18:19] Trustee Luckham: thing is important and what we what i worry about is what do we lose by endorsing a new list and

[1:18:27] Trustee Luckham: throwing out the old list kind of thing um because indeed that whole transportation safety issue has

[1:18:34] Trustee Luckham: has been an issue on Thetis here, and as we're living it, the terror of it, I actually think of

[1:18:39] Trustee Luckham: it as, we're living the terror of it right now, because people come to Thetis Island, and they,

[1:18:45] Trustee Luckham: for some reason, have some illusion that there's no traffic, or no concerns about vehicular and

[1:18:52] Trustee Luckham: pedestrian activity, and that they, the pedestrian and bicycle activity has some kind of a priority

[1:18:58] Trustee Luckham: over speeding vehicles and at the ferry landing and otherwise, and in fact, at the ferry landing

[1:19:05] Trustee Luckham: doors held wide open and there being public gatherings on the roadway when other people

[1:19:10] Trustee Luckham: are rushing back and forth. So under OCP activity, certainly active transportation could just be a

[1:19:17] Trustee Luckham: topic and that could be included there. And I would support maybe if Chair Patrick is content

[1:19:26] Trustee Luckham: intent that a motion to amend the LTC projects list as attachment number two be entertained at

[1:19:33] Trustee Luckham: this moment?

[1:19:33] Trustee Patrick: Oh, absolutely. That's the point of, yes, that's the point of this opportunity.

[1:19:38] Trustee Luckham: So I would move then that under attachment two of the recommended LTC projects list

[1:19:45] Trustee Luckham: that item number two, OCP, have active transportation added.

[1:19:58] Voice 9: Is there a second?

[1:20:01] Voice 9: Seconded by Trustee Fenton.

[1:20:03] Voice 9: Diane, when you're ready, you could read that back.

[1:20:12] Voice 9: That under attachment

[1:20:14] Voice 2: two of the recommended projects list,

[1:20:20] Voice 2: that item number two have active transportation added.

[1:20:25] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:20:26] Trustee Patrick: I think attachment two to the,

[1:20:27] Trustee Patrick: you might want to add attachment two of the August 30th staff report.

[1:20:33] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:20:35] Voice 9: Got it.

[1:20:36] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:20:38] Voice 9: All right.

[1:20:39] Voice 9: Is

[1:20:39] Trustee Patrick: there any discussion?

[1:20:42] Voice 9: No.

[1:20:42] Voice 9: call

[1:20:43] Trustee Patrick: the vote all those in favor all right and

[1:20:46] Trustee Patrick: that's carried are there any other changes to

[1:20:49] Trustee Patrick: the projects list question

[1:20:51] Trustee Fenton: or discussion on uh on this first nations piece again we in the past

[1:20:57] Trustee Fenton: and current four years it's a title on the list but the actual fact is it's part of our new

[1:21:05] Trustee Fenton: framework is across all pillars it's not is that maybe the um for an lub we're going to be doing

[1:21:15] Trustee Fenton: something down the road or i should say it was ocp we're actually doing some we're making changes to

[1:21:22] Trustee Fenton: that fair enough when that happens that would be there but for our day-to-day operation that's

[1:21:28] Trustee Fenton: that should be just what we are doing and trying to figure out over time so does it need to be

[1:21:35] Trustee Fenton: um like where does where's the projects you're getting this and see like

[1:21:41] Trustee Patrick: well i can tell you

[1:21:42] Trustee Patrick: heather we had that conversation on liskiti because liskiti had one of their priorities was

[1:21:48] Trustee Patrick: building relationships with first nations and heather's point she's trying to move the project

[1:21:54] Trustee Patrick: lists and the priority lists to be related to deliverables what is the deliverable of that

[1:22:00] Trustee Patrick: building a relationship if it's um everything

[1:22:04] Voice 9: we do yeah

[1:22:05] Trustee Patrick: so that it's sort of the so that's

[1:22:07] Trustee Patrick: an underlying philosophy or something that you're doing as a as a as a local trust committee but

[1:22:14] Trustee Patrick: she's really trying so they're like at Laskini they changed it to be okay they were going to

[1:22:18] Trustee Patrick: apply for a community community grant to you know and develop an event to to hold you know so it

[1:22:25] Trustee Patrick: it had a tangible item that they were uh you know suggesting be done okay

[1:22:32] Trustee Luckham: yeah and for the discussion

[1:22:37] Trustee Luckham: um and i don't have it open in front of me at the moment but obviously in that context the vision

[1:22:44] Trustee Luckham: statement within the ocp needs to reflect that and it reflects some of that because we did start

[1:22:51] Trustee Luckham: start early on that walk when we did our last OCP amendment, but perhaps that needs to be added.

[1:22:57] Trustee Patrick: That's in the priorities list. Under this very top, it does say First Nations, and it has

[1:23:01] Trustee Patrick: acknowledging language and decolonization. So that is sort of addressed in your priority list

[1:23:07] Trustee Patrick: in relationship to the OCP. Okay.

[1:23:15] Trustee Fenton: Okay. So we should, I'm just, you know, given that,

[1:23:19] Trustee Fenton: because one of the pieces that I haven't sort of brought into this conversation yet, but

[1:23:23] Trustee Fenton: now just looking for grant money to actually sponsor starting that community conversation

[1:23:31] Trustee Fenton: um well that's what the cultural

[1:23:32] Voice 8: what's

[1:23:34] Trustee Luckham: that that's what the c2c funding is about and we

[1:23:36] Trustee Luckham: have access to that

[1:23:37] Trustee Fenton: that's what i'm saying yeah but using that stuff we could use that funding

[1:23:41] Trustee Fenton: that would be something we could do in this piece to start that conversation

[1:23:46] Trustee Patrick: and i don't think that's

[1:23:47] Trustee Patrick: not that's i don't know if you have to have that level of detail because so that would come from

[1:23:51] Trustee Patrick: your priority list you would you know probably seek that do an event or an activity um if you

[1:24:00] Trustee Patrick: if if the next term chooses to move forward with either of these yeah in fact so that's not

[1:24:06] Trustee Patrick: sorry

[1:24:07] Trustee Luckham: what you suggested earlier laura is new trustees sit down and have a meeting and have

[1:24:12] Trustee Luckham: a meal with their with your nations and that's absolutely a step in that direction support that

[1:24:17] Trustee Luckham: hundred percent our

[1:24:20] Trustee Fenton: but our next challenge that's a that's an important piece but we also also have

[1:24:24] Trustee Fenton: to start community conversation yeah so that is to me that that's our responsibility not

[1:24:33] Trustee Fenton: first nations they'll help us participate um is my um sense of it but they're that's that's

[1:24:41] Trustee Fenton: we need to engage the community they're not going to be a job and

[1:24:46] Trustee Luckham: and indeed i think that goes back

[1:24:48] Trustee Luckham: to the reporting um on the shoreline piece that is the part that we haven't really started yet

[1:24:55] Trustee Luckham: we've done that

[1:24:56] Trustee Luckham: with the first nation but we haven't done it within our community

[1:24:58] Trustee Luckham: and then so we could use that as a leverage point for that opportunity absolutely yeah

[1:25:04] Trustee Fenton: okay

[1:25:08] Trustee Fenton: well that makes sense thank you

[1:25:10] Voice 8: right all

[1:25:14] Trustee Patrick: right so if that's the case

[1:25:18] Trustee Patrick: if there are no other changes then we do need to make the motion on page 22

[1:25:23] Trustee Patrick: and reference as it's endorsed as amended so before we leap to

[1:25:30] Trustee Luckham: that i have a really bold

[1:25:33] Trustee Luckham: question here and i and trustee uh chair patrick i'm going to ask you to remind me

[1:25:39] Trustee Luckham: of what happened on salt spring because one of the other items that's on our

[1:25:45] Trustee Luckham: our projects list and follow-up action list is the endorsement of the cell phone, the cell tower

[1:25:54] Trustee Luckham: protocol, siting and use protocol. And it sits there. Now it's actually going to fall off of

[1:26:01] Trustee Luckham: this list, right? And yet what we decided kind of in the 11th hour, right, which we were told was

[1:26:08] Trustee Luckham: was not a bad thing is we simply endorsed that protocol and made it part of our requirements

[1:26:16] Trustee Luckham: as opposed to sitting there waiting for us to do it and then being blindsided and caught

[1:26:21] Trustee Luckham: with an antenna proposal that was not going to include that because we didn't adopt it.

[1:26:26] Trustee Luckham: We were told at the time by staff that we could simply adopt the protocol as presented a long

[1:26:33] Trustee Luckham: time ago um without any amendments and at least give us a safety net that we don't presently have

[1:26:40] Trustee Luckham: and so uh being bold trustee fenton and i know more about this than anybody else and yourself

[1:26:46] Trustee Luckham: as well at this point in time could i be so bold as to say that the fetus island local trust

[1:26:53] Trustee Luckham: committee adopt the cell tower uh citing policy as presented in the report that's a question

[1:27:11] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I think what we ended up doing was just adopting the model protocol,

[1:27:18] Voice 9: but

[1:27:19] Trustee Patrick: then there was a standing resolution, and I think that's something we could share with staff, the standing resolution that came from Salt Spring, because the problem with the model

[1:27:28] Trustee Patrick: of protocol was it was a little behind the times on addressing first nations and reconciliation

[1:27:34] Trustee Patrick: issues so we have a standing resolution that sort of fills that gap of what it's missing while we

[1:27:41] Trustee Patrick: wait for it to be updated yeah so

[1:27:44] Trustee Patrick: you can either we could either

[1:27:47] Trustee Patrick: ask that that be we can either

[1:27:49] Trustee Patrick: ask staff bring that to the first meeting of the next term uh you know ask them for a staff report

[1:27:55] Trustee Patrick: on adopting the protocol and a standing resolution,

[1:28:00] Trustee Patrick: something of that nature?

[1:28:01] Trustee Patrick: That

[1:28:02] Trustee Luckham: might be fair.

[1:28:03] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, that is fair.

[1:28:05] Trustee Luckham: My evil intent, however,

[1:28:07] Trustee Luckham: is to not create more work for staff

[1:28:11] Trustee Luckham: because I think that's going to be the challenge

[1:28:15] Trustee Luckham: going through this period and into the new year

[1:28:18] Trustee Luckham: is getting ourselves back into a robust resource situation

[1:28:23] Trustee Luckham: where we can advance work.

[1:28:25] Trustee Luckham: and the more that we do to you know it's interesting the one thing that we lost was the

[1:28:32] Trustee Luckham: north the team meetings that we used to have years ago that the LTCs all got together in the north

[1:28:38] Trustee Luckham: and and in the south and talked about the overall projects list and managed it in a way that worked

[1:28:44] Trustee Luckham: for everybody right now we seem to be making demands and not necessarily making concessions

[1:28:50] Trustee Luckham: And so I think there's an opportunity to provide a safety net that absolutely is not 100%, but also would relieve the burden of having to do more. And it seemed incredibly simple to do that. And I don't think there's been any fallback from that, particularly, that's accurate.

[1:29:09] Trustee Luckham: but I also think that what's interesting with respect to what you've just said there about

[1:29:16] Trustee Luckham: the First Nations component is what I've learned recently from this process is that that First

[1:29:22] Trustee Luckham: Nations component takes on a different level when it involves a federal agency and the federal

[1:29:28] Trustee Luckham: agency has very restrictive and required measures to be taken with respect to First Nations and so

[1:29:36] Trustee Luckham: So there's a bit of a safety net there, and admittedly, it may not be adequate, and it

[1:29:41] Trustee Luckham: may be that the federal government doesn't do it effectively.

[1:29:44] Trustee Luckham: I'll admit all of that.

[1:29:46] Trustee Luckham: But I just wonder about the wisdom of doing that now rather than bringing it back to or

[1:29:51] Trustee Luckham: making sure that it's on this list.

[1:29:53] Trustee Luckham: And so that's why I mention it before we go to endorsing this project, because

[1:30:00] Trustee Luckham: Should this be on that list to get that done?

[1:30:03] Trustee Luckham: Because the risk is out there at this moment.

[1:30:07] Trustee Luckham: An application could come in tomorrow, and that would put us in a bad position.

[1:30:13] Trustee Luckham: I'm not saying there is.

[1:30:14] Trustee Luckham: I don't know anything.

[1:30:15] Trustee Luckham: But I want to be in the best possible place.

[1:30:22] Trustee Luckham: I'm looking for the chair's advice.

[1:30:25] Trustee Patrick: Well, I was just trying to find if it was a staff report,

[1:30:27] Trustee Patrick: so that's what I was looking for from Salt Spring here.

[1:30:30] Trustee Patrick: But go ahead, Trustee Fenton.

[1:30:32] Trustee Patrick: Just a question with regards

[1:30:33] Trustee Fenton: that I was part of a meeting somewhere guidance trust. I thought it was here but maybe not another committee meeting but where this was, we did just this, did we not adopt this already just that's the struggle.

[1:30:47] Trustee Fenton: RPC forwarded it to LTCs.

[1:30:51] Trustee Fenton: I'll maybe answer this.

[1:30:55] Trustee Fenton: It's very similar conversation like we didn't have to.

[1:30:58] Trustee Fenton: Well, exactly. We've had the conversation.

[1:31:00] Trustee Fenton: Just try to get it out there and it's there so let's use it and okay.

[1:31:04] Trustee Fenton: Okay, so if we haven't done it and you're comfortable with us and have support that going forward, I think that's good.

[1:31:11] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I was just, yeah, there was a staff report and I can either send that.

[1:31:18] Trustee Patrick: So there was a staff report that was prepared for Salt Spring where it brought in this standing resolution.

[1:31:25] Voice 9: And, but no, yeah, it doesn't have the, there must have been another motion for

[1:31:33] Trustee Patrick: the bringing in the model bylaw that wasn't in the

[1:31:40] Trustee Luckham: same staff report.

[1:31:41] Trustee Luckham: my intent i think the reason for raising this is that absolutely you're right laura and i appreciate

[1:31:47] Trustee Luckham: that that the standing resolution is important that's something that could happen at a later date

[1:31:52] Trustee Luckham: what we could do to create a safety net in the meantime is simply adopt that protocol as presented

[1:31:58] Trustee Luckham: and that was as simple as it was if i remember rightly at the salt spring ltc yeah

[1:32:08] Trustee Patrick: i i i can't

[1:32:10] Trustee Patrick: remember the details of that but just for marlis uh the the staff report is in the december 14th

[1:32:17] Trustee Patrick: 2021 uh salt spring island agenda package on a standing resolution for first nations

[1:32:26] Trustee Patrick: consultations for proposed antenna systems thank

[1:32:31] Voice 9: you for that wording

[1:32:32] Voice 8: so

[1:32:42] Voice 9: i was just trying to find the language

[1:32:44] Trustee Patrick: again so um on that

[1:32:49] Trustee Patrick: so I don't know how you feel or I don't know Marlis do you know what we're talking about

[1:32:58] Planner McCargar: I I do know a little bit about what you're talking about um mainly because uh there was

[1:33:06] Planner McCargar: uh an application on Gambier for a cell tower and so I had anyways I had done a little bit

[1:33:12] Planner McCargar: of research on they they did adopt the model antenna uh strategy so I you know there's the

[1:33:19] Planner McCargar: the wording that they used was just really simple adopt the model strategy for antenna systems

[1:33:25] Planner McCargar: and i

[1:33:26] Planner McCargar: don't believe they have a standing resolution at this time but um so i'm going

[1:33:32] Trustee Luckham: to be bold here marla's because i'm not hearing you freaking out oh my gosh what are they doing

[1:33:37] Trustee Luckham: and i'm not really hearing objections and i sort of thought i heard some support from doug penton

[1:33:41] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to move the theater sound local trust committee adopt the model protocol for antenna

[1:33:46] Trustee Luckham: antenna system sighting and maybe that wording needs to be changed in the final product but

[1:33:52] Trustee Luckham: essentially um that's it as presented in a previous report

[1:34:04] Trustee Luckham: and now i'll speak to my motion

[1:34:08] Trustee Luckham: all

[1:34:09] Trustee Patrick: right is that seconded yes

[1:34:11] Trustee Luckham: okay

[1:34:12] Trustee Patrick: second by christy penton any discussion yeah so

[1:34:16] Trustee Luckham: my reason for this is because i have some issues with the with the with the draft with the draft

[1:34:22] Trustee Luckham: protocol that's there and it does need amendments but i don't want to be caught in a bad place

[1:34:26] Trustee Luckham: and i think we are vulnerable and at least that protocol moves us generally into the right

[1:34:34] Trustee Luckham: direction it's not perfect and in the event that there's an application that comes forward

[1:34:38] Trustee Luckham: we can certainly we would know that that protocol would be followed and we can certainly ask for

[1:34:44] Trustee Luckham: additional things if the ltc thinks that it's necessary so it moves the dial a bit and makes

[1:34:50] Trustee Luckham: us a bit safer and i want to make my community safe that's it

[1:34:53] Voice 8: yep

[1:34:58] Voice 9: um any

[1:35:00] Trustee Patrick: other discussion

[1:35:01] Trustee Patrick: i mean

[1:35:02] Trustee Patrick: i'll add i think it is um i think it's a good idea i don't know

[1:35:06] Trustee Patrick: what happened to this motion because actually we did pass another motion uh trustee luckham when

[1:35:12] Trustee Patrick: we adopted that uh standing resolution we also forwarded it to the regional planning committee

[1:35:18] Trustee Patrick: and it was not on our i don't recall ever

[1:35:20] Trustee Patrick: seeing it on the agenda of the regional planning committee

[1:35:23] Voice 5: Well, I think some things.

[1:35:27] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:35:28] Trustee Patrick: so it fell through the cracks there. So that's something we'll have to follow up on. And Marlis, I think there was a lot of good work put into that standing resolution. And I think the idea was, you know, while, you know, eventually the model protocol would be updated to include that kind of language.

[1:35:45] Trustee Patrick: But until then, at least it gave some protection.

[1:35:49] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I suspect that's on their projects list.

[1:35:52] Trustee Luckham: but I don't think so I

[1:35:53] Trustee Patrick: don't remember discussing it

[1:35:55] Trustee Luckham: yeah well that doesn't mean it's not on the

[1:35:57] Trustee Luckham: list but that's fair enough thank you for the support for this and I also just say that my

[1:36:06] Trustee Luckham: also my intent here is to try and take things off of the staff plate in order to give them the

[1:36:13] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to do some of the things thank you oh

[1:36:15] Trustee Patrick: yeah no I just think a copy of that might be

[1:36:18] Trustee Patrick: that may be a copy from salt spring and applicable staff report okay so anyway any further discussion

[1:36:24] Trustee Patrick: on this motion if not i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried so good good

[1:36:31] Trustee Patrick: catch there so

[1:36:33] Trustee Luckham: i would then make the motion to endorse the uh these are local trick to me endorse

[1:36:38] Trustee Luckham: the top priorities list and projects list uh as amended

[1:36:42] Voice 9: uh

[1:36:43] Trustee Luckham: uh for further consideration by

[1:36:45] Trustee Luckham: incoming local trust committee all

[1:36:47] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second second by trustee cut in any discussion

[1:36:53] Trustee Patrick: all right i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried

[1:36:59] Trustee Patrick: okay so that brings us to the next item which is the conservancy three-year plan briefing which is

[1:37:07] Trustee Patrick: on page 26. i mean that's a briefing that's here for our interest but seeing that trustee benton

[1:37:15] Trustee Patrick: is on the board would you like to speak to this plan yeah

[1:37:21] Trustee Fenton: i just bring as you know i i sit as a

[1:37:25] Trustee Fenton: trustee a member of the board um i speak in favor of this amended plan i it was in response to the

[1:37:33] Trustee Fenton: staff working at maximum capacity um we wanted to meet their statutory requirements um so you know

[1:37:45] Trustee Fenton: add in a pandemic and a few other and reconciliation and climate change they actually

[1:37:50] Trustee Fenton: felt that they had to sort of take a pause but once again meet their statutory uh requirements

[1:37:57] Trustee Fenton: um it's well managed in my compliments to uh us trust consultancy staff because

[1:38:04] Trustee Fenton: they were sort of actively sort of going through reconciliation moments and climate change moments

[1:38:13] Trustee Fenton: sort of on you know in situ as they were also stuck with the time so they realized you couldn't

[1:38:19] Trustee Fenton: do what you you couldn't just send it out for a referral that actually we need to have a meaningful

[1:38:26] Trustee Fenton: conversation so um and they had to redefine what that actually looked like they've done that and

[1:38:31] Trustee Fenton: they're working towards sort of new a new um approach yeah at the same time they've got this

[1:38:37] Trustee Fenton: five-year cycle they have to meet so it's uh i was well done in spite of but it wasn't done without

[1:38:46] Trustee Fenton: it was actually done in consideration for the the situations and challenges before them so

[1:38:53] Trustee Fenton: my uh hats off to staff for pulling that off as they did thank you

[1:38:59] Trustee Patrick: so generally this is here for

[1:39:02] Trustee Patrick: information and um and i thank you doug for your uh service on the on the board of the of the

[1:39:09] Trustee Patrick: trust conservancy and these are good good examples i am a planaholic and um

[1:39:19] Trustee Patrick: that's what i've been driving for is more and more uh strategic and planning exercises to to

[1:39:25] Trustee Patrick: really move us into the world of proactive planning where we need to be far more stronger and

[1:39:31] Trustee Patrick: i

[1:39:34] Trustee Luckham: too want to thank doug for his uh sitting on that conservancy and um i'm proud of the work

[1:39:42] Trustee Luckham: that the conservancy does and i'm very pleased with how the conservancy is demonstrating its

[1:39:48] Trustee Luckham: ability to uh be nimble and flexible and going from a five-year plan to a three-year plan in

[1:39:55] Trustee Luckham: order to create some positive outcomes i think is a really um good strategy so i'm grateful

[1:40:02] Trustee Luckham: grateful to the Conservancy for that work thank

[1:40:05] Trustee Fenton: you uh yeah I'm just going to add to the uh the

[1:40:10] Trustee Fenton: planning part the neat part about in this sort of examples right is that whole ability to actually

[1:40:17] Trustee Fenton: um they're always reflecting on these principles and they move from any of their decisions and

[1:40:25] Trustee Fenton: they're always

[1:40:25] Trustee Fenton: putting it to the board to you know here's the reflection here's the consideration or

[1:40:30] Trustee Fenton: Here are the downfalls and the upsides and or, as I say, they recognize things like climate change, reconciliation pieces.

[1:40:40] Trustee Fenton: So there's some good conversation, but they're always reflecting on their plan, where it goes and whether it actually jives with their values that they have in writing and demonstrate regularly.

[1:40:54] Trustee Fenton: So, again, that's nice to see.

[1:40:57] Trustee Fenton: It's something we can learn from.

[1:41:00] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. So moving on, next item is a letter that was shared with us by Black Corollary

[1:41:10] Trustee Patrick: Director Smith on the Thetis payphone, item 12.2 in the agenda, page 50. So I think this

[1:41:17] Trustee Patrick: opportunity has come and gone, but the payphone is still there until September 8th.

[1:41:29] Trustee Luckham: yeah you know i'm good i one of my admissions this morning on the way to the ltc meeting which

[1:41:34] Trustee Luckham: i thought was a sports hall is i was going to drive by the marina and actually see if there's

[1:41:39] Trustee Luckham: a telephone in that booth because indeed the booth may still be there right nicely parked next

[1:41:46] Trustee Luckham: to the rcmp vehicle i'm not sure that there's actually a phone in it um but i'm going to go

[1:41:54] Trustee Luckham: a look today after this meeting to confirm that in my mind. But that's all fine and good. I think

[1:42:00] Trustee Luckham: that's an old photo, although maybe it's date stamped. I don't know. I think what's significant

[1:42:07] Trustee Luckham: in this is I don't care if there's a payphone anywhere. What I do care about is that there's

[1:42:14] Trustee Luckham: a device on the wall that somebody can pick up or push a button when they need help or when they

[1:42:20] Trustee Luckham: they need to phone home to say, I miss the ferry mom. And that, you know, that's, I use that language

[1:42:26] Trustee Luckham: on purpose, or dad, I miss the ferry. And that doesn't exist in Ximena's, nor does it exist at

[1:42:36] Trustee Luckham: the ferry terminal on Thetis. And being a first responder, I can tell you, we don't, we attend a

[1:42:45] Trustee Luckham: small number of incidences at the ferry terminal where people need to call 9-1-1 and guess what

[1:42:51] Trustee Luckham: not everybody has a cell phone and not and they don't always work um and so sure you can't it's

[1:43:02] Trustee Luckham: a cost factor associated with maintaining phone that handles coins and all that kind of stuff

[1:43:06] Trustee Luckham: well the serious mistake in all of this right from the beginning was that telephone should be a paid

[1:43:11] Trustee Luckham: service back to the phone company that has the privilege of providing phone service and putting

[1:43:16] Trustee Luckham: up telephone poles and running wires and all that kind of stuff it just needs to be a non-paying

[1:43:21] Trustee Luckham: phone that somebody can pick up and talk to an operator like at an airport or a taxi stand or

[1:43:28] Trustee Luckham: otherwise to say in many situations I need help or my life has changed in a way I wasn't expecting it

[1:43:35] Trustee Luckham: um so um and maybe that's the responsibility of the ferry company which is i think what

[1:43:42] Trustee Luckham: telus is trying to say and so indeed maybe when we have that conversation with the face with the

[1:43:48] Trustee Luckham: ferry company we should ask them about how they because we got a beautiful piece of technology

[1:43:53] Trustee Luckham: down there which is a map and advertising and all that kind of stuff every single terminal

[1:43:56] Trustee Luckham: in the on the coast has that guess what they've got an internet connection there guess what you

[1:44:02] Trustee Luckham: can do telephone calls over the internet at no cost and wouldn't that be brilliant a good public

[1:44:09] Trustee Luckham: service anyway that's my two cents on this i'm prepared to receive this information but i just

[1:44:14] Trustee Luckham: needed to say that

[1:44:15] Voice 8: all

[1:44:16] Trustee Patrick: right i'll let you do your individual lobbying on that issue for now yeah

[1:44:22] Voice 8: yeah

[1:44:22] Trustee Patrick: okay um so that brings us on to your applications uh report here on the comment

[1:44:30] Trustee Fenton: on that oh sorry go ahead yeah no i just want to say i'm surprised that really i'm sure this is

[1:44:36] Trustee Fenton: set right this is right across the palms this is like an ess level framework it's there's no

[1:44:42] Trustee Fenton: resiliency in our systems there so if there is the towers are down or whatever there's no sort of

[1:44:49] Trustee Fenton: backup and i just think that this is something that once again a fundamental fact you should

[1:44:56] Trustee Fenton: know they should be able to go and that would become your you know the conversation corner

[1:45:02] Trustee Fenton: and certain circumstances so i don't know where that conversation needs to get nudged or if

[1:45:08] Trustee Fenton: there's an opportunity of a ministry where that should be sent to and with the big question mark

[1:45:15] Trustee Fenton: so what are you doing about this fundamental level of communication ministry of citizen services

[1:45:26] Trustee Fenton: i'll

[1:45:27] Trustee Luckham: follow up on that doug that's a good tip yeah

[1:45:29] Trustee Fenton: so i just yeah it's not a yeah it's not

[1:45:32] Trustee Fenton: about privilege it's actually about managing all of those in between especially with all of these

[1:45:38] Trustee Fenton: yeah it

[1:45:39] Trustee Patrick: is good point because uh you know we're far and far more becoming dependent on

[1:45:46] Trustee Patrick: wi-fi communications and in a true emergency that's the system won't work

[1:45:51] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[1:45:55] Trustee Luckham: i don't want to drag this on you know it'll be novel is if that phone was red we'll just call

[1:46:01] Trustee Luckham: it red and it rang when people were at the ferry terminal wondering where the ferry was

[1:46:08] Trustee Luckham: and it was the skipper and he says yeah we're broke down we're going to be about three hours

[1:46:12] Trustee Luckham: before we can get there you know what that phone would have paid for itself anyway there you go

[1:46:19] Trustee Patrick: all right dream on oh why not yeah okay so the applications list on page 52

[1:46:28] Trustee Patrick: yep any questions on the applications list no i don't

[1:46:34] Trustee Patrick: think you have a brand new one there

[1:46:36] Trustee Fenton: yes um i'm just wondering so we're just that's just there there's no um oh right

[1:46:43] Trustee Fenton: Right. Yeah.

[1:46:45] Trustee Fenton: So just FYI that I'm going to, I'm actually going to reach out and follow up with

[1:46:54] Trustee Fenton: Penelope and just let them know that this is now on our list again. And our last conversation was

[1:47:01] Trustee Fenton: that it wasn't yet. And we've had numerous conversations back and forth since.

[1:47:06] Trustee Fenton: But it's now here. So I'll just let them know that it is.

[1:47:12] Trustee Fenton: and pending whatever decisions down the road.

[1:47:15] Trustee Patrick: Did you have anything to add, Marlis?

[1:47:18] Planner McCargar: No, not really.

[1:47:20] Planner McCargar: Just that, yeah, the application's been received.

[1:47:22] Planner McCargar: The planner's working on it.

[1:47:23] Planner McCargar: There's no report as of yet.

[1:47:25] Planner McCargar: It's still very much in the early stages.

[1:47:27] Planner McCargar: So perhaps there will be a report,

[1:47:29] Planner McCargar: just a preliminary report coming forward

[1:47:32] Planner McCargar: at the next LTC meeting.

[1:47:36] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I would say this is probably

[1:47:38] Trustee Luckham: the most significant topic of discussion.

[1:47:40] Trustee Luckham: And I didn't mention it in my trustee report earlier, I have with many people, there is a lot of opposition to this.

[1:47:50] Trustee Luckham: The community information meeting that the applicant conducted many, many months ago now was completely inadequate and not well received.

[1:47:59] Trustee Luckham: And the simple question that I asked is, what have you done differently since the last time you applied for this permit?

[1:48:05] Trustee Luckham: And they've got all kinds of things that they say, which I don't know is necessarily factual.

[1:48:14] Trustee Luckham: Having a report on this sooner than later is obviously ideal.

[1:48:18] Trustee Luckham: And I don't know what the LTC's decision might be, but at this juncture,

[1:48:22] Trustee Luckham: based upon what I've heard and in the absence of a report,

[1:48:26] Trustee Luckham: I would want to know whether or not the LTC wants to proceed with this or whatever.

[1:48:32] Trustee Luckham: Well, I was

[1:48:34] Trustee Patrick: going to say, you're going

[1:48:35] Trustee Patrick: to have to wait for a staff report.

[1:48:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:48:40] Trustee Luckham: That's November, and that's a long time off.

[1:48:43] Trustee Luckham: Anyway.

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:48:46] Trustee Patrick: So if there's no other questions, next thing, your expense reports are here from the end of June.

[1:48:53] Trustee Patrick: That's great.

[1:48:56] Trustee Patrick: And your adopted policy standing resolutions.

[1:49:00] Trustee Patrick: Which is getting lengthy.

[1:49:02] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:49:03] Trustee Patrick: It's going to be other housekeeping.

[1:49:05] Trustee Patrick: exercise at some point

[1:49:06] Voice 5: yeah uh

[1:49:08] Trustee Patrick: and then your top we just worked on the top priorities and

[1:49:11] Trustee Patrick: projects lists so at that that means our next meeting is uh or our next the next meeting of

[1:49:20] Trustee Patrick: this local trust committee will be november 29th

[1:49:25] Voice 9: and

[1:49:26] Trustee Patrick: with that we have a closed meeting to go into

[1:49:33] Trustee Luckham: well while we're in a still in the open meeting here i don't know if we'll come back in the last

[1:49:38] Trustee Luckham: and report we

[1:49:39] Trustee Patrick: we will come back and rise and report today just so that the meeting is complete

[1:49:42] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:49:43] Trustee Luckham: excellent anyway a good job on getting us to be ahead of schedule here 11 35 it says on

[1:49:49] Trustee Luckham: the agenda and you're bang on so that's uh fantastic so i'd move that the the meeting

[1:49:54] Trustee Luckham: be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division three section

[1:49:58] Trustee Luckham: 90 subsection one d and f for the purpose of considering appointments of board of variance

[1:50:03] Trustee Luckham: members um and adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated may the 3rd 2022 and by law

[1:50:11] Trustee Luckham: enforcement that the recorder and staff attend the meeting just quick question um i do believe

[1:50:17] Trustee Luckham: that by law enforcement officer dingman is joining us and has an update on uh by law enforcement

[1:50:23] Trustee Luckham: files um i don't i think that probably this motion is adequate to cover

[1:50:29] Voice 9: all of that i don't know look

[1:50:36] Voice 9: look to staff if um hold

[1:50:41] Trustee Patrick: on oh i

[1:50:43] Trustee Luckham: see warren dingman is on the line so through the chair

[1:50:45] Trustee Patrick: i just i just

[1:50:46] Trustee Patrick: was grabbing my thetis uh because a thetis uh my musketeer agenda yesterday because we had we did

[1:50:54] Trustee Patrick: have um yes no so you need another item it's item f by law enforcement and so um yeah so it's

[1:51:07] Trustee Luckham: included there already f i said f by law enforcement and then the recorder and staff attend the meeting

[1:51:11] Trustee Luckham: okay so

[1:51:12] Trustee Luckham: that's fine that's good all right okay thank you move all

[1:51:15] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second second

[1:51:18] Trustee Patrick: by trustee fenton um any discussion all the vote all those in favor and that's carried so let's

[1:51:26] Trustee Patrick: give it a moment for will to um lock down the meeting okay i'll

[1:51:30] Trustee Patrick: just stop this

[1:51:32] Voice 3: i'll just stop

[1:51:33] Voice 3: the stream and the recording and blog uh

[1:51:37] Trustee Luckham: having a report on this sooner than later is obviously

[1:51:40] Trustee Luckham: ideal and i don't know what the ltc's decision might be but at this juncture based on what i've

[1:51:46] Trustee Luckham: heard and in the absence of a report i would want to know uh whether or not the ltc wants to proceed

[1:51:53] Trustee Luckham: with this um or whatever well so you're

[1:51:57] Trustee Patrick: gonna have to wait for a staff report

[1:51:59] Trustee Luckham: okay that's november

[1:52:03] Trustee Luckham: and that's a long time off anyway

[1:52:06] Trustee Patrick: okay so if there's no other questions next thing your

[1:52:12] Trustee Patrick: expense reports are here from the end of june that's great and your adopted policy standing

[1:52:21] Trustee Patrick: resolutions which is getting lengthy yeah it's gonna be another housekeeping exercise at some

[1:52:29] Trustee Patrick: point yeah

[1:52:29] Voice 8: uh

[1:52:31] Trustee Patrick: and then your top we just worked on the top priorities and projects list so

[1:52:36] Trustee Patrick: at that that means our next meeting is uh or our next the next meeting of this

[1:52:43] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee will be november 29th

[1:52:46] Voice 9: um and

[1:52:49] Trustee Patrick: with that we have a closed meeting to go into

[1:52:55] Trustee Luckham: well while we're in a still in the open meeting here because i don't know if we'll come back and

[1:53:00] Trustee Luckham: horizon report we

[1:53:01] Trustee Patrick: we will come back and rise and report today just so that the meeting is complete

[1:53:05] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:53:06] Trustee Luckham: excellent anyway a good job on getting us to be ahead of schedule here 11 35 it says on

[1:53:12] Trustee Luckham: the agenda and you're bang on so that's uh fantastic so i'd move that the the meeting

[1:53:17] Trustee Luckham: be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division three

[1:53:20] Trustee Luckham: section 90 subsection one b and f for the purpose of considering appointments of board of variance

[1:53:26] Trustee Luckham: members um and adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated may the 3rd 2022 and bylaw

[1:53:33] Trustee Luckham: enforcement that the recorder and staff attend the meeting just quick question um i do believe

[1:53:40] Trustee Luckham: that bylaw enforcement officer dingman is joining us and has an update on bylaw enforcement files

[1:53:45] Trustee Luckham: um i don't i think that probably this motion is adequate

[1:53:51] Voice 9: to cover all of that

[1:53:58] Voice 9: i don't know i'd look to staff if

[1:54:00] Trustee Patrick: um hold on oh i

[1:54:06] Trustee Luckham: see warren dingman is on the line so through

[1:54:07] Trustee Luckham: the chair

[1:54:08] Trustee Patrick: sorry i just i just was grabbing my fetus uh because a fetus uh my mosquito agenda

[1:54:14] Trustee Patrick: yesterday because we had we did have um yes no so you need another item it's item f

[1:54:23] Trustee Patrick: by law enforcement and so um yeah

[1:54:29] Trustee Luckham: so it's included there already f i said f by law

[1:54:32] Trustee Luckham: enforcement and then the recorder and staff attend the meeting okay so

[1:54:34] Trustee Luckham: that's fine it's

[1:54:35] Trustee Luckham: good all right okay thank you move all

[1:54:38] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second second by trustee fenton

[1:54:41] Trustee Patrick: um any discussion all the vote all those in favor and that's carried so let's give it a moment for

[1:54:49] Trustee Patrick: for Will to lock down the meeting.

[1:54:53] Voice 3: I'll just stop the

[1:54:55] Voice 3: stream and the recording

[1:54:57] Voice 3: and block the meeting one moment.

[1:55:07] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:55:09] Voice 9: So

[1:55:09] Trustee Patrick: I'm reopening our Ditas Island regular meeting.

[1:55:14] Trustee Patrick: I do have a rise in report from our in-camera meeting.

[1:55:17] Trustee Patrick: We did adopt minutes from May 3rd.

[1:55:20] Trustee Patrick: And today we appointed to the Board of Variants,

[1:55:23] Trustee Patrick: It's Jack Woodward, Laurie Jackson, and Wolfgang Schur.

[1:55:28] Trustee Patrick: And if there's no further business for our regular meeting,

[1:55:32] Trustee Patrick: I need a motion to adjourn.

[1:55:35] Voice 5: I move the meeting adjourned.

[1:55:39] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Fenton.

[1:55:40] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:55:42] Trustee Patrick: All the vote.

[1:55:43] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:55:46] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick: Didn't hear an aye from...

[1:55:49] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[1:55:49] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[1:55:51] Trustee Patrick: So that we are then adjourned.

[1:55:55] Trustee Patrick: uh thank you very much and the next meeting for the the design local trust committee will be

[1:56:00] Trustee Patrick: november 29th at 9 30 in the morning at the community center so with that goodbye everyone

[1:56:06] Trustee Patrick: thanks to the staff for being here today and uh we'll see the trustees at the september trust

[1:56:13] Trustee Patrick: council meeting so we'll see you thank

[1:56:15] Trustee Patrick: you bill thank you everybody

[1:56:17] Trustee Patrick: thanks diane okay bye

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
August 30, 2022 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Doug Fenton, Local Trustee 
 Peter Luckham, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change." 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 9:30 am. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
Chair Patrick referred to the recent visit to Canada by the pope, when he apologized to 
indigenous people for atrocities committed by the Catholic Church, and urged people to take 
time to understand what residential schools were and what they did to the indigenous peoples. 
Chair Patrick introduced trustees and staff in attendance, and announced that the meeting was 
being conducted electronically, recorded, and live streamed. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. RISE AND REPORT – none  
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Luckham presented the following report: 
 Acknowledged the thoughtful opening remarks by the Chair regarding this Coast 
Salish territory; 
 Reported on walks in memory of indigenous children held in Chemainus and across 
the country, the second annual walking event; 
 Participated in conversations with many over the summer months regarding 
housing, accessibility to affordable housing, ideas around creating tiny homes 
and/or accessory dwellings; there was also interest in Bed and Breakfasts, and 
short-term vacation rentals; 
 Expansion of the provincial speculation and vacancy tax to Ladysmith and other 
areas in the province. On Thetis, many of the (often long-time) owners whose 

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houses are vacant for part of the year do not consider themselves speculators; 
many summer residents have contributed significantly to the community; 
 Large number of mosquitoes present on Thetis this year; 
 Trust Policy Statement amendments were recommended for adoption to Trust 
Council; an amended draft Trust Policy Statement will come forward in the new 
term; 
 Attendance at meetings on South Pender and Salt Spring Islands where there were 
discussions about house sizing and setbacks, developments in Fulford Harbour area, 
farm worker housing, and accessory dwelling units. 
Trustee Fenton presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to live and work in the traditional and unceded territory of the 
Lyackson and Penelakut; 
 Noted that an affirmation of the need for the “preserve and protect” mandate of 
Islands Trust was apparent in the observation of schools of forage fish in Trustee 
Fenton’s bay location, accompanied by the presence of a humpback whale for some 
time near the shoreline for two days in a row; 
 Meetings with Thetis Island Residents and Ratepayers Association on numerous 
occasions regarding the path down to Capernwray Harbour. Stairs at the bottom of 
the path had been removed; now it was necessary to deal with shutting the path 
down and coming up with alternative loops, working with the Trail Committee to 
figure it out; 
 Participation on a three-member panel as part of the alliance representing ACThetis 
(Acreage Concerns Thetis) for phase two interview with the consultant; 
 Participation with Regional Planning Committee and Trust Conservancy for a 
facilitated communications strategy workshop; 
 Participation with Trust Programs Committee, looking at the policy review next 
steps. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Patrick reported that Trust Council would have its final meeting of the term, which 
will be held electronically, September 20 to 22. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
CVRD Electoral Area Director Lynn Smith had sent trustees a brief report by email. Chair 
Patrick announced the report had included news on the CVRD recreation referendum. 
The Board had adopted wording that would appear on the referendum, which will be 
coming up in the next election. Discussion ensued. 
5. TOWN HALL 
There were no participants for the Town Hall session. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated July 5, 2022 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of July 5, 2022 were 
adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting – none  

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6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated August 22, 2022 
Received. 
Regarding the February 9, 2021 action, Trustee Fenton spoke extensively about the 
location of Thetis Island BC Ferries terminal, constructed over an area of middens and 
ancestral graves. The path through the site is used daily by locals; the trustee was 
emphatic that another way around the area needed to be found. He emphasized the 
potential of fencing and public education, and acknowledged the complexity of the 
issue. 
Discussion ensued, and included the following points: 
 The broader issue is a local issue: public safety around the traffic congestion on that 
corner. There are people standing around waiting for people at the ferry, in the 
course of traffic; 
 This is a burial site, and continued disturbance of that is unacceptable;  
 Issue of erosion of shoreline by people traversing back and forth along the 
waterfront; 
 An alteration in the paving indicates there is a step down to the trail; it is an open 
invitation to use the trail. Steps were built inappropriately.  
TH-2022-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee add Penelakut Tribe Ferry Advisory 
Committee members or designate to the invitee list for this meeting to speak to the 
disturbance of the burial site at the BC Ferry terminal on Thetis Island (February 9/2021, 
Follow Up Action Report). 
CARRIED 
TH-2022-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee endorse Trustee Fenton to work with the 
Ferry Advisory Committee Chair to engage with the Penelakut Tribe to attend the 
meeting (regarding resolution TH-2022-027). 
CARRIED 
There was discussion about finding funding for this meeting to cover an honorarium for 
an elder and/or the expenses and help with capacity to have a councillor or staff 
member attend the meeting. This would require consultation with the Ferry Advisory 
Committee Chair, and could be made as a Resolution-Without-Meeting. Trustees Patrick 
and Luckham could bring this topic to the Financial Planning Committee. Island Planner 
McCargar noted staff was available to help with organizing the meeting.  Discussion 
ensued on the potential date and location of the meeting. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral Request for Response regarding 
Bylaw No. 530 

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TH-2022-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee advise the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee that our interests remain unaffected by Salt Spring Island Bylaw No. 530. 
CARRIED 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Term End Projects Report – Staff Report 
Island Planner McCargar introduced the staff report regarding project recommendations 
for the incoming Local Trust Committee. Discussion ensued. 
TH-2022-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee amend Attachment 2 “Recommended LTC 
Project List” of the August 30, 2022 staff report by adding “Active transportation” to 
item 2. 
CARRIED 
TH-2022-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee adopt the model protocol for antennae 
siting as presented in a previous report. 
CARRIED 
TH-2022-032 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee endorse the ‘Top Priorities List’ and 
‘Projects List’ as amended on August 30, 2022 for further consideration by the incoming 
Local Trust Committee.  
CARRIED 
10. DELEGATIONS – none  
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Islands Trust Conservancy 3 Year Plan – Briefing 
The Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) 3 Year Plan was received for information. 
Trustee Fenton, who sits as a Trustee member of the ITC board, commented on and 
expressed support for the Conservancy three-year plan. The ITC board felt they had to 
take pause to make sure they were meeting statutory requirements and addressing 
reconciliation and climate change. The trustee praised ITC staff.  

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Chair Patrick and Trustee Luckham thanked Trustee Fenton for sitting on the board of 
the Conservancy; it was noted that going from a five year plan to a three year plan to 
create positive outcomes was a good strategy. 
12.2 Thetis Payphone – for information 
The communication dated July 13, 2022 regarding removal of TELUS payphone(s) at 
Telegraph Harbour Marina, Thetis Island, was received. 
Points raised in ensuing discussion included: 
 Not everyone has a cell phone. Phones don’t always work. There needs to be a non-
paying phone, where someone can talk to an operator (when they need help, or life 
has changed unexpectedly). It would be good public service. 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report – None  
13.2 Applications Report dated August 22, 2022 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated June, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – none  
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated August 22, 2022 
Received. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated August 22, 2022 
Received. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:30 am at Thetis 
Island Community Centre (Forbes Hall), North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 

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16. CLOSED MEETING 
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
TH-2022-033 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1), (d) and (f) for the purpose of considering  
(a) Appointment of Board of Variance Members and (d) Adoption of In-Camera Meeting 
Minutes dated May 3, 2022 and (f) Bylaw Enforcement, and that the recorder and staff 
attend the meeting.  
CARRIED 
The Local Trust Committee moved to Closed Meeting at 11:22 am. 
16.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Patrick recalled the meeting to order at 11:47 am. 
16.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Patrick reported that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee adopted the in 
camera minutes of May 3, 2022, and appointed Jack Woodward, Laurie Jackson and 
Wolfgang Scheuer to the Board of Variance for the Thetis Island Local Trust Area. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 11:48 am. 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder