North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, November 4, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 8: Okay, good morning, everybody. Really great to see you all here, and a real pleasure to be here on South Bender Island in Coast Salish Territory, which, you know, for me is an honor every day to be able to wake up here and know about the place that I live.

[0:00:17] Voice 8: It's so rich in culture and history, and I encourage everybody to investigate and learn. There's so much to learn, so much to know, and I'm thankful to be here. I'm thankful to do the work of the Honors Trust.

[0:00:31] Voice 8: and to be with the LTC and assist them in their work. So my name is Peter Luckham. I'm elected

[0:00:38] Voice 8: on Theda's Island. I'm chair of trust council as well as chair of this LTC and of course Theda's

[0:00:43] Voice 8: Island is in the Penelope and Lacksham territory and it's great to have be in their territory.

[0:00:52] Voice 8: Without further ado I introduce Steve Wright. It doesn't require introduction. I think you

[0:00:56] Voice 8: know who is and Cameron Thorne also your local elected trustees coming online here now we have

[0:01:04] Voice 8: a couple of staff member Robert Kojima I believe you're out there thank you Robert for joining us

[0:01:09] Voice 8: today and Sarah Sugar is joining us electronically to look after the oh you popped up over there

[0:01:19] Voice 8: to look after our minutes and stuff today and Robin Ulchuk looking after our technology today

[0:01:26] Voice 8: and thank you very much for that and also give a shout out to more event people who've helped us

[0:01:30] Voice 8: get started with this technology this morning um so all of that said and we have an agenda before

[0:01:38] Voice 8: us hi robert and um i'll just ask if there's any uh additions or deletions to the agenda

[0:01:46] Voice 8: yes i'd like to

[0:01:48] Voice 9: add on your new business or follow-up

[0:01:52] Voice 9: you'd like to add what brooks point okay brooks point right that would be under the work program

[0:02:06] Voice 8: maybe well brooks point that um i think you emailed us about that so we'll just put it

[0:02:12] Voice 8: under new business and then you can um

[0:02:19] Voice 16: and so that will go under um item 15

[0:02:31] Voice 8: anything else okay so then i'll take it then we'll adopt the agenda as um as amended and uh let us

[0:02:40] Voice 8: begin so at the top of the agenda there's um actually we'll just move uh directly into

[0:02:47] Voice 8: trustees reports and chairs report and then town hall and questions the opportunity for you to

[0:02:51] Voice 8: engage with the ltc here today i want to recognize i think it's christina is um

[0:02:57] Voice 8: I'm a newly elected trustee here.

[0:02:59] Voice 8: Just thank you for stepping up and being here today.

[0:03:02] Voice 8: I don't think I see Dag here.

[0:03:03] Voice 8: She's running late.

[0:03:04] Voice 8: She's running late.

[0:03:05] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:03:05] Voice 8: So glad to have you here.

[0:03:07] Voice 8: And I'm glad to recognize, of course, Bruce McConkie, a past trustee.

[0:03:11] Voice 8: Glad to have you here.

[0:03:12] Voice 8: And of course, I'm glad to have each and every one of you that we've engaged over the years

[0:03:17] Voice 8: and more recently, some of you.

[0:03:18] Voice 8: So thank you for being here today to call your interest in this work.

[0:03:22] Voice 8: So trustees, over to you for any report that you have.

[0:03:26] Voice 8: Why don't we start with Steve?

[0:03:29] Voice 2: Well, I don't really have much to report.

[0:03:32] Voice 2: We have not received bylaw 123 from the minister, so that will not be on the agenda today.

[0:03:41] Voice 2: And not much else going on, it's sort of nothing's being done until our new trustees are sworn

[0:03:49] Voice 2: in and take their position into this table and we'll leave it at that.

[0:03:54] Voice 2: but welcome to Christina and Doug and I wish you all luck and success and we'll see we'll see everybody on the other side.

[0:04:07] Voice 13: Yeah, thank you. Similarly, yeah I again I do want to also extend my, my best wishes to the new newly elected trustees and wish them success.

[0:04:21] Voice 13: I also appreciate everybody for participating in the election, no matter where you're how you cast your vote or what your views were on things that I think is always important people are taking, taking part in the electoral process so that was great.

[0:04:36] Voice 13: Certainly I've got more things to say this sort of touch on this as we're looking at some of the items further on so I'll hold it that but, again, nice to see everybody here today as well.

[0:04:46] Voice 13: So I'll

[0:04:48] Voice 8: turn my ringers on.

[0:04:52] Voice 8: Chair's report, you know, this is an incredibly exciting time, actually.

[0:04:56] Voice 8: We're winding down the previous term at Executive Committee Council and preparing for the swearing-in of new trustees.

[0:05:04] Voice 8: And the beginning of a fresh conversation with a number of exciting new trustees that have come to us, including Christine and Dad.

[0:05:12] Voice 8: and um um there's lots of work ahead of us as i'm sure you all know and um and we will be having

[0:05:20] Voice 8: those initial uh well we'll have initial orientation and figuring out what the ground

[0:05:24] Voice 8: looks like for the new members and of course encouraging um returning members to mentor those

[0:05:30] Voice 8: that are coming in um to help everybody get to a place where we understand the work and the

[0:05:37] Voice 8: direction and then we'll we'll begin to forge a new path ahead and i've been actually i like

[0:05:42] Voice 8: the canoe metaphor and that the canoe has kind of come up on the beach and a few members have

[0:05:47] Voice 8: gotten out of the canoe and a few new members have gotten in and we're just pushing off and

[0:05:51] Voice 8: some of the members are adapted paddling and some will need some help with paddling and guidance

[0:05:56] Voice 8: and i'm really looking forward to that so uh really there's not much else to report from the

[0:06:02] Voice 8: chair um there's always exciting things going on and i appreciate having the opportunity to take

[0:06:09] Voice 8: on those challenges so let's just go directly to town hall uh questions i do want to remind

[0:06:14] Voice 8: everybody that bylaw 123 and as steve mentioned earlier i did speak with staff yesterday

[0:06:21] Voice 8: specifically to ask whether or not that had been returned it was in the inbox somewhere and they

[0:06:25] Voice 8: checked and it's not and i think we were all hopeful that it would be for most people hopeful

[0:06:31] Voice 8: hopeful that it would be. And it's not. So it'll be up to the incoming trustees to determine

[0:06:39] Voice 8: or to adopt it or not, or as they see fit. So just remind you not to raise that topic or bring

[0:06:49] Voice 8: new information to us because it compromises the

[0:06:51] Voice 8: legislative process about everybody being aware

[0:06:54] Voice 8: of everything that is said or done with respect to a bylaw. And certainly bylaw 122 has been

[0:06:59] Voice 8: returned to us and um so um i'll just get a show of hands for those that would like to address the

[0:07:05] Voice 8: local trust committee so i see one two okay and don't don't don't be shy you can chime in

[0:07:11] Voice 8: afterwards

[0:07:12] Voice 5: your name for the ball p3 um gallon point road um just wanted to uh express our thanks

[0:07:21] Voice 5: to our two uh outgoing trustees for the work they've done for the community in the last four

[0:07:27] Voice 5: four years through many challenging times with COVID and all of the difficulties that that

[0:07:33] Voice 5: presented. And I think they deserve a great credit for what they've contributed. Also to

[0:07:40] Voice 5: welcome the new trustees. Look forward to working with new trustees in the coming term. So thank

[0:07:46] Voice 5: you. Thank you. I won't

[0:07:49] Voice 6: stand up because I'll probably block everyone. Bruce McConkie,

[0:07:54] Voice 6: the canal road well north of the dip.

[0:07:58] Voice 6: Don't rub it in, Bruce.

[0:08:01] Voice 6: Nice kind of.

[0:08:03] Voice 6: Two of you, I know for sure,

[0:08:05] Voice 6: when you leave the room today,

[0:08:07] Voice 6: we'll have a big smile on your face having been there.

[0:08:10] Voice 6: Peter's gotta get back in the canoe again

[0:08:11] Voice 6: and hope it doesn't tip.

[0:08:15] Voice 6: Thank you for the work that you have done.

[0:08:19] Voice 6: Disagreed with lots of it.

[0:08:20] Voice 6: We've had good conversations and that,

[0:08:22] Voice 6: but you've allowed the conversations,

[0:08:23] Voice 6: you've done a ton of background work with that.

[0:08:25] Voice 6: And a lot of the work that you have done

[0:08:28] Voice 6: is not even visible by our self-managed community

[0:08:31] Voice 6: because it's at the trust council level.

[0:08:33] Voice 6: For your work to be able to get that governance review

[0:08:36] Voice 6: started and to get that Islands Trust itself organization

[0:08:41] Voice 6: to reanalyze itself, you've started that ball rolling.

[0:08:44] Voice 6: I hope they pick up the ball and they run with it,

[0:08:46] Voice 6: but thank you for the work that you've done

[0:08:47] Voice 6: and enjoy your retirement.

[0:08:49] Voice 6: Thank you Bruce.

[0:08:55] Voice 8: I didn't have one other thing, though,

[0:08:56] Voice 6: because I can't

[0:08:57] Voice 8: imagine you would let this be on.

[0:08:59] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:09:00] Voice 4: So

[0:09:00] Voice 8: please, as you know, I'm also very passionate about this, so I'm really glad to see this.

[0:09:05] Voice 6: Well, it's a nice segue into it.

[0:09:08] Voice 6: Our island is probably reaching a point where the environmental threat here is significant, and it's going to get worse.

[0:09:16] Voice 6: The Port of Vancouver is looking to make all these anchorages, these 33 anchorages stretching from South of Gabriola down through our Pumper Sound.

[0:09:25] Voice 6: permanent they are finally getting off their butts and coming over and actually seeing us

[0:09:30] Voice 6: on the island here and i want to bring your attention to that tuesday november 15th between

[0:09:34] Voice 6: two and six the format is an open house format and they're going to have a whole bunch of glossy

[0:09:42] Voice 6: things up there and they're going to get some very slick spin doctors working this to try and

[0:09:47] Voice 6: sell this to you what they're trying to sell to you is going to be a code of conduct very similar

[0:09:53] Voice 6: to the interim protocols the federal government has put in place and have been totally ineffective

[0:09:58] Voice 6: the code of conduct wants to address noise and light concerns which are going to so-called

[0:10:03] Voice 6: placate the residents however it's impossible for them to mitigate those so anyway there's a group

[0:10:09] Voice 6: of eight of us now eight coastal community representatives and that banded together over

[0:10:14] Voice 6: the past years realizing we need a stronger voice in ottawa they're coming to our island i've put

[0:10:20] Voice 6: put together this brochure for you.

[0:10:21] Voice 6: I'm going to email a whole bunch of people

[0:10:23] Voice 6: and try and get you to come out.

[0:10:25] Voice 6: I'm going to be there

[0:10:26] Voice 6: and I'm going to be asking him some very hard questions.

[0:10:30] Voice 6: I would love for you, I will be recording them,

[0:10:33] Voice 6: but I also would love for you to come

[0:10:35] Voice 6: and see what they're going to do

[0:10:36] Voice 6: and to speak up at this time

[0:10:38] Voice 6: because we're at a critical phase here

[0:10:40] Voice 6: because when the Port of Vancouver gets its way,

[0:10:42] Voice 6: we're hooped.

[0:10:44] Voice 4: And

[0:10:44] Voice 6: I encourage the Islanders Trust

[0:10:46] Voice 6: to continue its advocacy in this area.

[0:10:49] Voice 1: is there can i ask if there's uh how much increase that they've anticipated when the trans

[0:10:54] Voice 1: mountain pipeline gets completed they

[0:10:57] Voice 6: aren't even touching that they've brought in an active vessel

[0:11:00] Voice 6: traffic management program a lot to do with that pipeline coming into it because they're trying to

[0:11:06] Voice 6: put in place for the port of vancouver because there's going to be a huge impact when that

[0:11:11] Voice 6: anchor starts flying through there but right now the port of vancouver is relying on the use of

[0:11:16] Voice 6: these 33 anchorages so that it can uh not improve its infrastructure fast enough

[0:11:23] Voice 6: work on the supply chain and those kind of things there's a number of issues

[0:11:26] Voice 11: where will the meeting be

[0:11:28] Voice 6: it's right on the pamphlet of the community hall okay okay

[0:11:32] Voice 6: thank

[0:11:34] Voice 8: you very much bruce um

[0:11:36] Voice 8: i indeed um i'm really um happy that you're taking this action um i'll just

[0:11:44] Voice 8: share that the conversations I've had with this team that reviewing this process is disappointing

[0:11:49] Voice 8: at best because they're making a lot of rash assumptions about economic efficiencies and

[0:11:56] Voice 8: those factors that affect, as you've said, continuing to manage the port without recognizing

[0:12:02] Voice 8: the impacts on the coastal communities. So really glad you're on this. If I can possibly join you,

[0:12:08] Voice 8: i will try but that might be tough all

[0:12:11] Voice 6: right they're going they're going to courage and day

[0:12:13] Voice 6: and lady smith too yeah yeah

[0:12:15] Voice 8: um yeah and i've actually been instrumental in making sure that

[0:12:19] Voice 8: those meetings happen because they were going to happen in obscure places and happening where they

[0:12:24] Voice 8: are okay um yes thank

[0:12:27] Voice 11: you my name is donna spalding many of you know me and um i will say

[0:12:34] Voice 11: I'll preface my comments by saying that I am a member of the Board of Directors of the Chamber of Shipping,

[0:12:40] Voice 11: and I also represent the cruise industry for all of Canada, Washington State, in my capacity every day.

[0:12:49] Voice 11: Bruce is quite correct in the things that he said.

[0:12:52] Voice 11: I'm glad to see that the meetings are happening, but without considering,

[0:12:57] Voice 11: and I have sat in on these meetings, the Active Vessel Traffic Management Program,

[0:13:03] Voice 11: program, ABTM, that is being carried on by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Transport

[0:13:09] Voice 11: Canada and the port to try and find the path forward to mitigate the use of the anchorages,

[0:13:17] Voice 11: to manage the use of the anchorages, to make real-time ships coming and going work, and

[0:13:26] Voice 11: the supply chain, you can't just take the idea that they want to make these things

[0:13:33] Voice 11: forever in a vacuum because that's not,

[0:13:38] Voice 11: we don't have any alternatives right now.

[0:13:41] Voice 11: There are no alternatives right now.

[0:13:43] Voice 11: You can't have a whole bunch of ships

[0:13:47] Voice 11: in the middle of winter out in the ocean,

[0:13:50] Voice 11: waiting for a place to come and load grain that's not here

[0:13:53] Voice 11: because trains can't get through and it's raining.

[0:13:56] Voice 11: So you have to think about the safety

[0:13:58] Voice 11: of the ships and the crews.

[0:14:00] Voice 11: And one more thing, oil tankers do not anchor.

[0:14:04] Voice 11: period full stop the ships that we see out here are some every once in a while a container ship

[0:14:09] Voice 11: because there's a strike at delta port so that started that or they're bulk carriers they're

[0:14:17] Voice 11: grain and and other and other products so go to the meetings by surely and that's what you should

[0:14:25] Voice 11: do but don't just you know think

[0:14:28] Voice 11: that it's yeah i'm sorry bruce but it's not just a gloss i don't

[0:14:32] Voice 8: want to argue i was going to let that go but let's

[0:14:36] Voice 11: not but let's think let's think through

[0:14:39] Voice 11: what's really happening in our area and yes our oceans need protection absolutely but we have to

[0:14:46] Voice 11: think about things coming and going we

[0:14:49] Voice 8: need some solutions yes

[0:14:51] Voice 11: we do yeah and it's on transport

[0:14:52] Voice 11: canada to find those thank you

[0:14:54] Voice 8: anybody else wish to address the local trust committee today

[0:14:59] Voice 8: Well,

[0:15:02] Voice 6: can you do

[0:15:02] Voice 8: that, actually, I'm

[0:15:04] Voice 6: sorry, I'll ask you guys and you guys can do it anyway

[0:15:08] Voice 6: much.

[0:15:08] Voice 6: I just want to know, is this going to be provincial officials or federal officials that are going

[0:15:12] Voice 8: to be coming to speak to us?

[0:15:13] Voice 8: Well, I think it's Port of Metro Vancouver and federal officials, I don't believe it'll

[0:15:16] Voice 8: be provincial.

[0:15:17] Voice 8: Okay, we're still struggling with getting the province to the table.

[0:15:20] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:15:20] Voice 8: I don't know whether or not you've had any.

[0:15:22] Voice 11: They have no jurisdiction.

[0:15:24] Voice 8: They have an interest.

[0:15:28] Voice 8: Okay, so thanks for the question. Let us continue them with the business at hand. And so, no

[0:15:35] Voice 8: community information meetings no public hearings today. We've got minutes from June the 17th

[0:15:41] Voice 8: 2022 special meeting here for adoption. Are there any changes proposed those minutes.

[0:15:47] Voice 8: No. So then I'll take it by general consent that the meetings of June the seventh be adopted

[0:15:52] Voice 8: adopted as presented. June 17th. Pardon me? 17th, not 7th. June 17th? Yeah. Did I say 7th? Yeah.

[0:16:01] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee special meeting minutes dated August the 12th, also here for adoption.

[0:16:06] Voice 8: Any changes? None. No? Then I will take it that by general consent, the meeting minutes of August

[0:16:12] Voice 8: the 12th be adopted as presented. So we've got a list here, Section 26 resolutions about meeting

[0:16:21] Voice 8: dated from october that's on page 15 of the agenda um and that's just there for information and uh

[0:16:29] Voice 8: continue on no advisory planning commission minutes at the moment uh follow-up action list

[0:16:35] Voice 8: is our next item and i'll turn to um to staff robert kojima um to advise us if there's any

[0:16:44] Voice 8: changes on the follow-up action list that's in our package otherwise i'll just go to trustees

[0:16:49] Voice 8: for questions Robert uh

[0:16:51] Voice 12: no updates no most of the items have been completed thank you and uh

[0:16:56] Voice 8: trustees any questions on the follow-up action list no all right then we'll just continue on

[0:17:03] Voice 8: thank you here now so this brings us now to uh correspondence um there is no correspondence to

[0:17:14] Voice 8: the LTC there I I know for a fact there's some correspondence associated with some bylaws that's

[0:17:19] Voice 8: attached to the bylaws file and some of that is information that is not appropriate to be

[0:17:27] Voice 8: reviewed by us at this time because we're post-public hearing on that bylaw. So we're

[0:17:35] Voice 8: going to move on to applications and referrals and these are fairly straightforward

[0:17:39] Voice 8: referrals from North Pender and Main Island and perhaps I'll ask Robert to speak to each one of

[0:17:48] Voice 8: them but the uh request here is to determine whether or not your interests are affected by

[0:17:53] Voice 8: these bylaws so robert can i ask you to introduce bylaw uh item 12.1 north pender island bylaw number

[0:17:59] Voice 8: 223 thank

[0:18:01] Voice 12: you chair luckham so actually i'll deal with 223 224 and 229 together because those three

[0:18:06] Voice 12: bylaws together constitute um the bylaws for the north pender land use bylaw review project um

[0:18:18] Voice 12: and essentially it would be adopting a new land use bylaw for north pender island um however you

[0:18:25] Voice 12: know the bulk of the provisions in the north pender land use bylaw remain will remain unchanged

[0:18:30] Voice 12: there are a number of changes however um local trust committee is probably familiar with um

[0:18:37] Voice 12: north pender is looking at adopting a maximum floor area for dwellings um

[0:18:45] Voice 12: changing zoning on the water to require new docks,

[0:18:49] Voice 12: new private moorage to go through the rezoning process

[0:18:52] Voice 12: and some changes to industrial regulations and locations.

[0:18:57] Voice 12: And there's some still to be concluded work

[0:19:01] Voice 12: on the commercial accommodation zoning on McKinnon Road.

[0:19:07] Voice 12: The local trust committee has been looking at

[0:19:10] Voice 12: and the new local trust committee will weigh in on.

[0:19:18] Voice 8: Okay. Are there any questions for staff on this? Are there any concerns about our interests

[0:19:23] Voice 8: being affected?

[0:19:24] Voice 8: None at all for me.

[0:19:25] Voice 8: Then could I get a motion to advise North Bender Island that bylaws 223, 224, 229 that

[0:19:33] Voice 8: the South Bender LTC interests are not affected?

[0:19:37] Voice 13: I would make a motion to that effect. You want me to actually say it?

[0:19:41] Voice 13: Why

[0:19:41] Voice 8: don't you say it?

[0:19:42] Voice 8: Yeah, I

[0:19:42] Voice 13: hereby make a motion to state that the interests of self-pender are not affected by the proposed bylaws 223, 224, 229.

[0:19:51] Voice 13: Good. Thank you. So

[0:19:53] Voice 8: there's a seconder. Yes. Any discussion? All those in favor? That carries.

[0:19:57] Voice 8: Robin, I'm trusting you caught that. So the next item is on page 138 of your agenda package.

[0:20:07] Voice 8: just a lot of material actually in those first three um main island local trust committee

[0:20:11] Voice 8: referral bylaw number 188 183 and robert can you introduce those for us yes

[0:20:17] Voice 12: thank you uh it's 181

[0:20:19] Voice 12: and 183 and these are two bylaws that would amend a property on main island on village bay road

[0:20:26] Voice 12: to redesignate and rezone a rural lot to allow for an affordable housing proposal

[0:20:33] Voice 12: proposal will be on a portion of that lot, about a third of it would be rezoned to a

[0:20:40] Voice 12: new zone to allow for up to 10 units of affordable housing.

[0:20:47] Voice 12: And in addition to the bylaws, the local trust committee is considering a housing agreement

[0:20:53] Voice 12: to secure tenure and rental rates and covenants to control the specifics of the site layout

[0:21:00] Voice 12: out and and um some other aspects of the site development and uh it is going through to a

[0:21:07] Voice 12: public hearing um in a couple of weeks on main island right okay very

[0:21:13] Voice 12: good thank you

[0:21:13] Voice 8: yeah it's

[0:21:14] Voice 8: interesting the main island ltc is businesses continuing as usual because of course their

[0:21:19] Voice 8: members were both acclimated the incumbents and so they're just proceeding which is kind of a nice

[0:21:25] Voice 8: situation for them.

[0:21:28] Voice 8: And that's why they'll be

[0:21:29] Voice 8: public in a couple of weeks.

[0:21:31] Voice 8: So I'll just ask trustees

[0:21:33] Voice 8: if they want to make a motion

[0:21:35] Voice 8: against South Bender's interest

[0:21:37] Voice 8: to be affected.

[0:21:38] Voice 8: Oh, that was

[0:21:39] Voice 13: Maine, I'm sorry.

[0:21:41] Voice 13: Yeah, Maine.

[0:21:44] Voice 2: Well, I'll move that

[0:21:46] Voice 2: South Bender Island

[0:21:47] Voice 2: Local Trust Committee's interests are not affected

[0:21:49] Voice 2: by bylaw 181

[0:21:51] Voice 2: and 183 of the Maine Island

[0:21:54] Voice 9: Very good. Okay, moved. Seconded. Karen Thorne.

[0:21:58] Voice 8: All those in favor? None opposed. That also carries.

[0:22:02] Voice 8: We got that motion. Robin. So let us now move on to local trust committee projects. And I'll just

[0:22:10] Voice 8: say that we're not going to be addressing bylaw 123 at this time, because it hasn't been returned

[0:22:15] Voice 8: from the minister. And just so that you know, that it does take some time to get OCPs back from the

[0:22:22] Voice 8: the ministry, because they, once they receive it, they enter their own process, which includes

[0:22:27] Voice 8: consultation with First Nations to be sure that whatever is contained in any OCP is not offensive

[0:22:34] Voice 8: and is respectful of the legislation. So it does take time, depending upon what's going on. And you

[0:22:41] Voice 8: can well imagine that actually prior to the election, there's lots of things that they're

[0:22:47] Voice 8: inundated with with respect to the continuation of business in not only the southern gulf islands

[0:22:53] Voice 8: but also in all local governments across british columbia so it does take time and

[0:22:58] Voice 8: dag i didn't i see you sneak in there i must have had my head down welcome to the ltc meeting

[0:23:03] Voice 7: and i'm glad that you're here thank you very much uh my my excuse is the dip

[0:23:08] Voice 7: well i was

[0:23:11] Voice 8: surprised to still see the dip there to be quite honest it's been a long time and the

[0:23:16] Voice 8: rainy season is upon us so

[0:23:18] Voice 9: anyway uh thank you i'm sure the deer appreciate the fact

[0:23:22] Voice 9: they're not getting blamed for everything okay

[0:23:24] Voice 8: okay well let us uh then um move into

[0:23:30] Voice 8: south mender i don't know which is committee about the number 122 land use bylaw update and overview

[0:23:34] Voice 8: i think cameron you're going to take the lead on this um if robert trusts me if robert trusts me

[0:23:43] Voice 8: I don't think you have any concerns Robert

[0:23:46] Voice 13: no he's smiling so okay

[0:23:47] Voice 16: there we go

[0:23:48] Voice 13: totally happy

[0:23:49] Voice 13: okay great well thank you and I just want to give a little bit of an intro to that to preface what

[0:23:54] Voice 13: I'm going to do here is take people through the red line version of bylaw of the land use bylaw

[0:23:59] Voice 13: as updated with bylaw 122 to start just want to be candid here six months ago I didn't intend on

[0:24:07] Voice 13: on running again as a trustee.

[0:24:10] Voice 13: I've got an engaging career.

[0:24:11] Voice 13: I've got lots of passions and projects I work on

[0:24:13] Voice 13: in a family that I'm not spending enough time with.

[0:24:18] Voice 13: I had hoped originally that others who shared my views

[0:24:22] Voice 13: and values and my approaches to the policies

[0:24:27] Voice 13: that we developed might put their names forward

[0:24:29] Voice 13: for trustee candidates.

[0:24:31] Voice 13: And what I found was that many people told me

[0:24:34] Voice 13: that they agreed very much with what we had done,

[0:24:37] Voice 13: but they they themselves were not prepared to to to run which is fine so i decided to run again

[0:24:43] Voice 13: myself and not just because i wanted to serve the community but also to represent an option

[0:24:47] Voice 13: for those again who supported what we did and felt that it advanced our official community plan

[0:24:53] Voice 13: and and strengthened the protection of our rural island character while i had hoped that the

[0:24:59] Voice 13: campaign was going to be an opportunity to be forward looking at and looking at some of the

[0:25:02] Voice 13: the opportunities and the challenges that face our community and I do hope that's something that

[0:25:07] Voice 13: the new trustees do carry forward with I found that unfortunately a big fixation during the

[0:25:12] Voice 13: campaign was was bylaw 122 and had I not run I was concerned of a false narrative that I was

[0:25:20] Voice 13: not willing to face the electorate based on a poll that had been undertaken by some of those

[0:25:26] Voice 13: opposed to it that had concluded that there was 65 percent of the community that was opposed to

[0:25:30] Voice 13: the bylaw so setting aside how we arrived at that number and what was communicated and so

[0:25:35] Voice 13: so on and so forth i felt like if i didn't run there would have been an acclimation of two people

[0:25:40] Voice 13: and the narrative would have been that 65 of the people were opposed to the bylaw

[0:25:46] Voice 8: just a

[0:25:47] Voice 13: moment just a minute i just

[0:25:48] Voice 13: want to be really sensitive i'm giving

[0:25:50] Voice 13: i'm re-debating i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not re-debating it okay i do think that

[0:25:57] Voice 13: No, Marty, please. Based on the conversations while I was out door knocking, it was

[0:26:02] Voice 13: evident that there was and likely still is a great deal of misinformation surrounding the bylaw.

[0:26:08] Voice 13: Concerns is, well, now that this bylaw is passed, my house is legally non-conforming and I'll have to pay for an expensive survey or somebody told me my sun deck is included in square footage.

[0:26:16] Voice 13: So I think the important thing here is that we go through and we look at the bylaw to see what it actually says and what it doesn't say.

[0:26:30] Voice 13: So what I've got here on the TV, and I've also asked staff to take the bylaw, the black line, looks like a red line,

[0:26:38] Voice 13: but to take the land use bylaw and to show in a red line those things that are additional to

[0:26:44] Voice 13: the land use bylaw as a result of bylaw 122. And it's on the website so people can read it at their

[0:26:53] Voice 13: leisure. But I wanted to take people through a few things just so that we hopefully would clear

[0:26:58] Voice 13: things up and set ourselves onto a good solid pathway going forward into the new term. So the

[0:27:04] Voice 13: So the first item is agritourism, which is, which was not really much of an issue that came up bigger. Oh, sure. I'll try to be larger.

[0:27:15] Voice 13: Yeah, so agritourism is wasn't wasn't a hot potato item during the election but it was something that from talking to our planner, it was added to, to align with the Agricultural Land Commission regulations around around this is permitted

[0:27:32] Voice 13: use on farms that are both in the ALR and have farm status. Again, I don't think it's a big

[0:27:38] Voice 13: interest to people, but it's there. Basement floor area. Now, it's a really somewhat irrelevant

[0:27:45] Voice 13: definition at this point. It doesn't really relate to anything in the bylaw. It would have had more

[0:27:50] Voice 13: relevance if my proposal to exclude basements from the calculation of dwelling floor area had

[0:27:56] Voice 13: been supported at the uh at the i guess it was the august 11th uh meeting that we had

[0:28:01] Voice 13: um so it really it doesn't do a lot uh cottage um you can see that there was a small change just to

[0:28:10] Voice 13: such that the definition under here doesn't reference a specific area because there within

[0:28:16] Voice 13: the bylaw there's a different area of cottage size for uh rural residential versus agricultural

[0:28:22] Voice 13: agricultural uses or zoned lands.

[0:28:29] Voice 13: Again, farm status, farm sales,

[0:28:31] Voice 13: I don't think people need to spend a lot of time looking at that one.

[0:28:35] Voice 13: Floor area, I think, is an important one because, again,

[0:28:38] Voice 13: it created, I think, a fair bit of angst and debate about what it actually

[0:28:46] Voice 13: included and what it didn't include.

[0:28:48] Voice 13: And so the definition was updated to provide more clarity,

[0:28:52] Voice 13: particularly for some of those that felt like an open air garage that was attached to their home

[0:28:56] Voice 13: might be included in the square footage which it's not and so as you can see here it makes it very

[0:29:02] Voice 13: clear that it's um exclusive um it's it's exclusive of a story that is not fully enclosed

[0:29:10] Voice 13: by a floor ceiling and four walls are glass so if your carport is an open air carport it's not

[0:29:17] Voice 13: included in um in that in that capture of the floor area the other one that was important to

[0:29:23] Voice 13: talk about and again people have uh under uh lot coverage it's not the definition of lot coverage

[0:29:31] Voice 13: didn't change but it's just that people were assuming things would be included that are not

[0:29:38] Voice 13: included in uh in lot coverage and so some people as i mentioned earlier had made the point that

[0:29:45] Voice 13: their concern was that say their sun deck would be included in the calculation of the area of

[0:29:53] Voice 13: their home or that if they had a hard surface driveway that was concrete or asphalt that would

[0:30:00] Voice 13: be included in the calculation of area it's a couple things here the the um the under the

[0:30:07] Voice 13: definitions under structure concrete and uh asphalt are not considered structures for the

[0:30:13] Voice 13: purposes of calculating lot coverage and secondly interestingly enough uh lot coverage doesn't even

[0:30:20] Voice 13: apply to uh resident residential rural zone uh property so it once upon a time did back uh

[0:30:29] Voice 13: previous to the 2017 land use bylaw lot coverage was was a defined uh area or defined

[0:30:35] Voice 13: uh it applied it was there was 25 was a lot coverage maximum under rural residential

[0:30:41] Voice 13: properties but that changed in 2017 so it's it only applies to the other zones like the

[0:30:47] Voice 13: agriculture the commercial the forestry doesn't apply to this one anyhow so again concerns that

[0:30:52] Voice 13: my my deck is going to be included or my driveway is going to be included it's just not the case

[0:30:59] Voice 13: I want to go to now, talking a little bit about setbacks and side areas and again this came back to a concern about legal law and conformity and just give me a second I'll get to this one here.

[0:31:24] Voice 7: Section 3.3.

[0:31:30] Voice 4: Can you make it any larger? Yeah, sure.

[0:31:36] Voice 6: sure i'll do that sorry okay here we are here i'll make it a bit larger

[0:31:48] Voice 8: so you should be able to take that the full width of the screen

[0:31:52] Voice 8: i will just hit that plus again i think it'll take it there yeah

[0:31:58] Voice 14: okay there we go perfect

[0:32:01] Voice 14: so as people know we one of the things that we did is we increased the setback to the c from uh

[0:32:06] Voice 14: uh, from 25 feet to, um, to 50 feet.

[0:32:12] Voice 13: Notably, the setback doesn't apply to fences, stairways,

[0:32:15] Voice 13: wharfs, or docks. So there was quite a question about whether these things applied. Um,

[0:32:20] Voice 13: there is a remedy clause there under section 3.4 and 3.5 that you see here that will say that

[0:32:29] Voice 13: Despite the change from the 25 to the 50, these clauses confirm that buildings and structures that were constructed legally prior to the adoption of Bylaw 122,

[0:32:42] Voice 13: again in September of this year, shall not be sited closer than 25 feet from the sea, and that provided that they were legally constructed,

[0:32:52] Voice 13: that they could be rebuilt or reconstructed in their same siting,

[0:32:58] Voice 13: provided that it wasn't any closer than where it had been built previously.

[0:33:02] Voice 13: So I think that's important for people to understand.

[0:33:05] Voice 13: Section 3.4 also talks about...

[0:33:16] Voice 13: The other thing I'll mention at the time, too,

[0:33:19] Voice 13: is that it um maybe i'll come back to this issue about the requirement for certification because

[0:33:25] Voice 13: it is a it's something that comes up in a few places um height regulations um

[0:33:31] Voice 13: this didn't change the absolute height didn't change but what it what did change was that that

[0:33:38] Voice 13: uh rather than um rather than simply relying on the on the on the calculation of height based on

[0:33:46] Voice 13: the midpoint or four sides of a building which still applies but the bylaw has been further

[0:33:52] Voice 13: clarified that at no one point may the absolute height of a building be more than 30 feet and

[0:33:57] Voice 13: that's that's because of situations where in the absence of doing that uh um it may impactfully

[0:34:05] Voice 13: rise above 30 feet on on particular sides based on just the topography of the site so you might

[0:34:10] Voice 13: get a site where if your grades were high and quite high in two or three sides and you took

[0:34:14] Voice 13: the average you could be 40 or 50 feet on on one side and i don't think that's the intent of where

[0:34:20] Voice 13: we wanted to go um there's another section here that i'll touch touch basically on on quickly so

[0:34:27] Voice 13: people can see it it relates to uh shipping containers uh this was something that people

[0:34:32] Voice 13: recall we did spend some time dealing with as well and it was um one of the things we wrestled with

[0:34:38] Voice 13: where i think the reality is that shipping containers are on the island and people are

[0:34:42] Voice 13: are using them and I think there's a good reason

[0:34:45] Voice 13: why people like them.

[0:34:46] Voice 13: They're easy to bring to the island, they're secure

[0:34:49] Voice 13: and they can be moved around.

[0:34:52] Voice 13: So we've recognized that and really what this does

[0:34:55] Voice 13: is just speak to the number of shipping containers

[0:34:57] Voice 13: that can be provided or accommodated on a property

[0:35:01] Voice 13: based on the size, but with a requirement

[0:35:04] Voice 13: for some landscape screening around them

[0:35:05] Voice 13: so that there's some visual protection.

[0:35:12] Voice 13: The other the next one that was a change deals with water storage, which is 3.14.

[0:35:25] Voice 13: And this one in the in the previous bylaw, there was a requirement for water storage, but it was explicit to the storage of rainwater.

[0:35:41] Voice 13: and i know some of us including donna and myself at the time had felt like it was

[0:35:46] Voice 13: it was maybe missing the mark because of the fact that uh if we were really and this was

[0:35:51] Voice 13: this requirement goes when you're building a new home you're taking out a building permit

[0:35:54] Voice 13: for the construction new home it was a bit puzzling that the requirement was that the

[0:35:57] Voice 13: um that it was specific to thou shalt have a cistern for rainwater as opposed to well water

[0:36:03] Voice 13: since it's well water that is utilized with inside the home.

[0:36:08] Voice 13: And then secondly, that while we encourage capture of rainwater,

[0:36:13] Voice 13: that wells, particularly with their oftentimes limited capacity,

[0:36:16] Voice 13: this is really where we want to put the focus.

[0:36:18] Voice 13: So the bylaw was amended from specifically stating rainwater to freshwater,

[0:36:24] Voice 13: so it could give people the option of both.

[0:36:30] Voice 13: And again, that was a recommendation through working with staff.

[0:36:34] Voice 13: And I think also, Robert, you might speak to it as to whether or not the increase in the capacity of the cisterns is based on practices that you were seeing in other islands as well, if I'm not mistaken.

[0:36:44] Voice 12: Yeah, I think it was based on some more recent regulations in other islands and on the advice of the senior freshwater specialist.

[0:36:54] Voice 12: Right.

[0:36:55] Voice 13: Okay. Great. Thanks, Robert.

[0:36:58] Voice 13: Now to the one that generated the most interest is just talking about the setbacks as it relates to rural residential homes, dwellings, as we technically call it.

[0:37:15] Voice 13: I don't think there's a lot of point in going over the table. People know how we looked at changing the sizes.

[0:37:22] Voice 13: again i don't want to go back and open up that discussion again but the the sizes of the homes

[0:37:27] Voice 13: were adjusted to be more reflective of of uh i think of the of the built form i think the

[0:37:34] Voice 13: important thing to to focus in on is is unfortunately this this this debate which i really do hope

[0:37:41] Voice 13: gets settled about whether the bylaw um now creates legal non-conformity and i know we've

[0:37:48] Voice 13: I've certainly tried to speak to it multiple times saying that it doesn't.

[0:37:51] Voice 13: I know the planners recently sent out another email confirming that it doesn't create nonconformity.

[0:38:00] Voice 13: And we went to the trouble to explicitly note that, and I think it's just worth focusing in on here,

[0:38:12] Voice 13: is this section here which says despite section 5.15 on a lot that contains a legal dwelling

[0:38:18] Voice 13: constructed prior to the adoption of again this bylaw in September a replacement dwelling may

[0:38:24] Voice 13: be constructed or the existing dwelling reconstructed or altered providing the floor

[0:38:29] Voice 13: area of the replacement and reconstructed or altered building doesn't exceed the floor area

[0:38:33] Voice 13: of the dwelling on the lot at the time of the adoption of this bylaw so I think if I don't

[0:38:39] Voice 13: certainly happy to answer any questions around that but i think it's it's pretty clear what it

[0:38:44] Voice 13: what it's it's saying so if your house was 6,500 square feet and uh you know god forbid something

[0:38:52] Voice 13: happened to it uh you could rebuild to 6,500 square feet if that was the size that it existed

[0:39:00] Voice 13: you couldn't build it to 6,600 square feet you could build it 6,500 square feet so um i think

[0:39:06] Voice 13: I think that's a really important thing to note and to hopefully give people comfort.

[0:39:15] Voice 13: And then there's a similar section that relates to setbacks, which is really the same philosophy.

[0:39:22] Voice 13: It's just that instead of talking about size, it talks about setbacks, which would say, you know,

[0:39:26] Voice 13: despite the change, again, people, I think, know by now that we made a change to the side yard setbacks for dwellings and cottages from 10 feet to 20 feet.

[0:39:35] Voice 13: But again, put in that same what I would call a remedy clause to make it clear that despite that change, again, so long as the dwelling was legally built, it could be reconstructed, repaired on the same footprint it was before, so long that it's no closer to the side yard than it was previously.

[0:39:56] Voice 13: So if your house was 11 feet from the side yard set back in the past, you could rebuild it to 11 feet in the future.

[0:40:03] Voice 13: And I think that's really an important thing to bear in mind.

[0:40:09] Voice 13: I think the last point on this one, and I think there's probably some genuine confusion about this one, is people felt like when you read, I'll touch upon the wording that says,

[0:40:21] Voice 13: It says, and for the purpose, the local trust committee may require an owner to submit certification from an appropriately qualified person as to the floor area of the dwelling at the time of the adoption of this bylaw.

[0:40:35] Voice 13: And so, you know, this doesn't mean that you're now going to be receiving a letter from the House Trust requiring that you provide certification as to the size or siting of your house now that the bylaw has been adopted.

[0:40:48] Voice 13: That's not what it means.

[0:40:50] Voice 13: rather it means that if again if something happened to your house and you wanted to repair

[0:40:55] Voice 13: or reconstruct it as it was previously and that if no building records as to the size or sighting of

[0:41:02] Voice 13: the house as it existed at the time of the bylaw if those if those records were not on file with

[0:41:06] Voice 13: the albus trust then under that circumstance you might be required to submit certification

[0:41:11] Voice 13: or documentation as as to what the size of that dwelling was before you were able to go forward

[0:41:17] Voice 13: and rebuild it so it's it's it's i think the important thing to bear in mind is your your

[0:41:21] Voice 13: home now even in the absence of that information your home now is legally conforming but again

[0:41:30] Voice 1: just like you

[0:41:30] Voice 13: would do with with insurance if something happened to your house and you wanted

[0:41:34] Voice 13: to rebuild it and you wanted to get insurance from uh uh for to rebuild to that same larger size

[0:41:42] Voice 13: size, uh, I would think any prudent homeowner would have documentation that they would have

[0:41:49] Voice 13: provided to their insurer to, uh, to demonstrate that the, that the, uh, house was in fact the

[0:41:57] Voice 13: size that they're, that they're claiming it is. So I don't think, I don't think that there's an

[0:42:00] Voice 13: extra test or, or a higher standard that's being set here. Um, I think it's just, uh,

[0:42:06] Voice 13: it's really the same as what you would expect from, again, through insurance,

[0:42:10] Voice 13: insurance through an insurance company. The last thing I just want to touch on, and again, this

[0:42:15] Voice 13: came up quite frequently during the campaign, which again was tied to this assertion that homes

[0:42:24] Voice 13: were legally non-conforming, was that you're not going to be able to get insurance. And I think

[0:42:28] Voice 13: that was a really, unfortunately, I think it created fear for a lot of people. I think it

[0:42:34] Voice 13: It probably was a factor in how people approached the election outcome, but it really became quite a widely circulated bit of information.

[0:42:45] Voice 13: And so I knew it was untrue, but I felt it was important to reach out to one of the established, larger established insurance brokers here in Canada for their perspective.

[0:42:54] Voice 13: And so I reached out to BFL Canada, which is, again, one of Canada's largest risk management companies and insurance brokers that we have.

[0:43:04] Voice 13: And so I provided them with a copy of our land use bylaw.

[0:43:09] Voice 13: and I explained, gave them a bit of a background

[0:43:13] Voice 13: as to what the concerns were

[0:43:15] Voice 13: and asked if I could get a comfort letter from them

[0:43:17] Voice 13: as to how they would approach insurance

[0:43:21] Voice 13: for a property on self-pender

[0:43:23] Voice 13: where the house that they would be insuring

[0:43:26] Voice 13: would be larger than what's provided for

[0:43:30] Voice 13: in the current table.

[0:43:31] Voice 13: And so I'm happy to make the letter available.

[0:43:33] Voice 13: I just got it yesterday.

[0:43:34] Voice 13: yesterday, but briefly, I think, again, I'll make it available so people can read it in their own

[0:43:41] Voice 13: time. The letter references the clauses that

[0:43:45] Voice 1: I've just gone

[0:43:46] Voice 13: through here, and it says,

[0:43:47] Voice 13: we believe these would not negatively impact an insurer's ability to continue to provide

[0:43:52] Voice 13: replacement cost property insurance for the existing dwellings and buildings legally

[0:43:56] Voice 13: constructed prior to September 2022, even if they're larger than the new maximum sizes

[0:44:01] Voice 13: enterprises and are closer to the property line uh as provided for in the bylaw so i think again

[0:44:07] Voice 13: i think it really is it it's i guess it's it's sad that you know just these kind of things went

[0:44:14] Voice 13: on and on for for months and months and i'm glad that if there's one thing i feel good about at the

[0:44:18] Voice 13: end of the term is that i was able to shine some light on things and just set the record straight

[0:44:21] Voice 13: you know there's no boogeyman in this bylaw uh it's meant here to to protect uh what we have

[0:44:27] Voice 13: having to protect our rural character.

[0:44:29] Voice 13: And again, I think it's just important

[0:44:32] Voice 13: to get that out on the open as we begin the new trust.

[0:44:38] Voice 13: So, in closing, I wish the new trustee success

[0:44:46] Voice 13: in listening to and representing all of the community.

[0:44:49] Voice 13: I think that's important,

[0:44:50] Voice 13: all of the community can consistence with their pledges.

[0:44:53] Voice 13: And it's important that we all remain engaged

[0:44:55] Voice 13: and active in participating in these meetings

[0:44:57] Voice 13: and ensuring that our our views our voices are heard so uh yeah you know again if people want

[0:45:03] Voice 13: to reach out to me after the fact i'm happy to give more background as to as to this information

[0:45:07] Voice 13: but i'm glad it i'm glad that those of you that are here could hear it firsthand and i'm glad

[0:45:12] Voice 13: we're able to record it as well so thanks for giving me the time share okay

[0:45:16] Voice 8: well thank you

[0:45:17] Voice 8: and so is it your intention that the letter from bfl be made part of the public record sure very

[0:45:21] Voice 8: happy to

[0:45:22] Voice 8: do so so then uh robin if you can record that we received a letter

[0:45:25] Voice 8: you might yeah dated

[0:45:26] Voice 8: november the 20th november the 3rd november the 3rd sorry from bfl canada and um uh cameron you

[0:45:33] Voice 8: can make sure that electronic yeah i'll

[0:45:34] Voice 8: send them a pdf yeah okay great thank you um well very good

[0:45:40] Voice 8: okay thank you thank you i don't know whether there's any questions um um that is now your

[0:45:49] Voice 8: bylaw and um it will be in in force as it is um so i do see a couple hands up so uh

[0:45:56] Voice 8: bruce mcconkie and this gentleman over here yeah

[0:45:58] Voice 6: i just uh i have a question we'll process here and

[0:46:01] Voice 6: i appreciate cameras comments and that sort of stuff but but this is not a community information

[0:46:06] Voice 6: meeting anymore this is a local trust committee business meeting where they should be talking to

[0:46:11] Voice 6: each other rather than a presentation as such and we are post uh public presentation time where there

[0:46:17] Voice 6: should be no further information added this is by

[0:46:20] Voice 6: the 122. so it's adopted

[0:46:21] Voice 8: um and so this is

[0:46:23] Voice 8: but

[0:46:24] Voice 6: they have to adopt it today unless i know well you've

[0:46:26] Voice 8: already previously adopted it's

[0:46:28] Voice 8: previously adopted

[0:46:28] Voice 6: in september okay so

[0:46:29] Voice 8: so

[0:46:31] Voice 6: it's previously adopted so you're this what is the

[0:46:33] Voice 6: business that you're conducting amongst each other that's what i'm just confused on the process

[0:46:37] Voice 13: well like i say bruce the the it was pretty evident throughout the last couple of months that

[0:46:42] Voice 13: that this was one of the central things that seemed to compel people.

[0:46:46] Voice 13: I mean, when I was there at the All Candidates meeting,

[0:46:48] Voice 13: there was a lot of questions that were very much focused on Bylaw 122.

[0:46:52] Voice 13: It's the elephant in the room that I think people felt

[0:46:56] Voice 13: either that they wanted to critique or they wanted to support,

[0:46:59] Voice 13: but one way or another, it was the main topic.

[0:47:03] Voice 13: So there was two things I wanted to do here.

[0:47:06] Voice 13: I wanted to, now that we had the bylaw in a format

[0:47:10] Voice 13: format where we can see how it was integrated with the larger land use bylaw see the red line uh

[0:47:17] Voice 13: components so people can see again contextually what it did it did not do the overall land use

[0:47:21] Voice 13: bylaw to me that's good information that's that's that is helpful for the community to have that and

[0:47:27] Voice 13: and secondly I wanted to also uh given that we had just gotten information about the the fact

[0:47:33] Voice 13: that from an insurance point of view that people people's homes would be the insurance would

[0:47:40] Voice 13: continue to be provided as

[0:47:42] Voice 14: I knew it

[0:47:42] Voice 13: would but I think it's an important thing because it has been

[0:47:45] Voice 13: such a a contentious issue throughout the term and so want to lay the groundwork bare to to shed

[0:47:52] Voice 13: some light on it and hopefully to set ourselves on a pathway where the the new trustees are able

[0:47:58] Voice 13: to be forward focused and to look at other challenges and opportunities that are facing

[0:48:02] Voice 13: the community in the in the four years ahead my

[0:48:05] Voice 6: only question was related to the business aspect

[0:48:08] Voice 6: maybe i'll

[0:48:10] Voice 8: just jump in um in terms of process right so i'm just going to speak to the process

[0:48:14] Voice 8: so indeed there was a suggestion that this meeting be cancelled as there was no critical business

[0:48:20] Voice 8: that needed to be conducted at the time um certainly a business item has come forward

[0:48:25] Voice 8: from trustee wright with respect of brooks point as a new business item of course there's no notice

[0:48:31] Voice 8: of it in the agenda um but uh the trustees uh felt that they wanted to uh continue with this

[0:48:38] Voice 8: final meeting of the ltc and uh indeed the trustee wanted to speak specifically to uh to the uh the

[0:48:45] Voice 8: bottle 122 which has been adopted um the trustee could have done that within his trustee report out

[0:48:52] Voice 8: um but felt that it was important that the community know that there was going to be

[0:48:57] Voice 8: specifically addressing that um and um so we're here we're providing that opportunity um

[0:49:06] Voice 8: and i think that's all there is to say okay thanks yeah thank

[0:49:09] Voice 8: you sir yeah marty evans

[0:49:11] Voice 3: south pender so i mean i think your whole speech to us was totally unnecessary today

[0:49:18] Voice 3: it's like you're just trying to protect your legacy you really started out with a backhanded

[0:49:23] Voice 3: uh you

[0:49:24] Voice 13: know just to ask you thanks a lot for expressing your views marty

[0:49:27] Voice 13: i'm happy

[0:49:28] Voice 16: to hear him i just asked you to be kind though okay i am being kind believe me this is

[0:49:32] Voice 16: kind i don't know where you're going so okay well no i just want to know why he had to start out with

[0:49:37] Voice 3: a

[0:49:37] Voice 16: backhanded you

[0:49:38] Voice 3: know disrespectful that's an assertion of

[0:49:41] Voice 13: opinion it wasn't backhanded

[0:49:43] Voice 16: let's not

[0:49:43] Voice 16: debate please the floor is yours thank you

[0:49:46] Voice 16: okay go for it

[0:49:48] Voice 3: okay you keep posting this

[0:49:51] Voice 3: false narrative again and again and you had your chance when you're doing it again today

[0:49:58] Voice 3: you keep saying i had the majority we voted you didn't did

[0:50:03] Voice 13: i say i had a majority i didn't i

[0:50:05] Voice 13: didn't hear that and i don't post things i'm not the one on social media posting all sorts of things

[0:50:09] Voice 13: marty let's

[0:50:13] Voice 8: start this please let's not debate um let's move yeah move along okay i'll let

[0:50:18] Voice 8: okay thank you very much for just

[0:50:21] Voice 11: um to to um bruce's story yes bruce's point about the process

[0:50:28] Voice 11: and i we did a lot of work we had a lot of conversations over the last four years

[0:50:36] Voice 11: where we got to might not please everybody but there was some part of the process that didn't

[0:50:44] Voice 11: work and just to the comment about water storage that was never discussed it just appeared in the

[0:50:52] Voice 11: bylaw it was never discussed the change was never discussed it never was part of a conversation with

[0:50:59] Voice 11: the ltc so i will leave it at that i will leave it at that so the change to size and the change

[0:51:05] Voice 11: to what's supposed to be in it rain water and fresh water from a well are vastly different

[0:51:12] Voice 11: And there are two, and I brought them forward when Bruce was a trustee, there are two reports that were done for the LTC on what it would cost you to turn rainwater into potable water, and it is not cheap.

[0:51:29] Voice 11: Planners email on non-conformity. I don't know who that went to, but I didn't get it.

[0:51:34] Voice 11: um method to um confirm your your what you previously had because you now don't conform

[0:51:42] Voice 11: to the bylaw i have three houses on my property that were built without building permits

[0:51:52] Voice 11: now size yes to insurance location of where they are absolutely not

[0:52:01] Voice 2: have we moved into the town hall

[0:52:03] Voice 2: section of the agenda

[0:52:05] Voice 2: have we moved

[0:52:06] Voice 8: into the town hall

[0:52:08] Voice 8: no I

[0:52:10] Voice 8: asked if there were any questions

[0:52:12] Voice 8: we're getting statements

[0:52:13] Voice 8: so certainly comments are

[0:52:15] Voice 8: different than questions

[0:52:18] Voice 8: you know I

[0:52:19] Voice 8: try to be open

[0:52:21] Voice 8: and respectful

[0:52:23] Voice 8: in order if the public needs

[0:52:25] Voice 8: to voice something

[0:52:27] Voice 8: within reason I think

[0:52:29] Voice 8: and i am i do try to be fair and reasonable um cameron has had his moment and certainly i don't

[0:52:37] Voice 8: believe that you you had any indication of anything further so you know let's move on um

[0:52:46] Voice 8: these are your bylaws now and it's up to the community to determine what happens next question

[0:52:50] Voice 8: well

[0:52:50] Voice 11: wait until the end it's okay all

[0:52:54] Voice 8: right um so therefore we're going to move on so the work

[0:52:58] Voice 8: program report attached to future projects and active projects um that's just there for

[0:53:03] Voice 8: information at this point and it will be up to the incoming ltc to determine what that looks like

[0:53:07] Voice 8: going forward and so that's all right we'll just receive that information um application report

[0:53:14] Voice 8: dated october 22nd attached those are future decisions again of a future ltc um i don't

[0:53:20] Voice 8: know robert i'll just ask you is there any update on these applications that are ahead of us

[0:53:24] Voice 12: no the no the alr ones are still at the uh at the alc and no word on no word on the uh outcome of

[0:53:32] Voice 12: that okay

[0:53:34] Voice 8: yeah this stuff all takes its time so um keep moving through the agenda trustee and local

[0:53:40] Voice 8: expense report uh dated august uh 2020-22 are there any um if there are any concerns with that

[0:53:47] Voice 8: you need to contact the financial management staff at the island's trust um so again that's

[0:53:52] Voice 8: there for information. Adopted policies and standing resolutions is there as a reminder of

[0:53:59] Voice 8: those standing resolutions that we have on policies. And I'll just, we'll continue on

[0:54:04] Voice 8: with any concerns at this time. Local trust committee webpage, which of course is updated

[0:54:10] Voice 8: regularly by staff with relevant material. And this letter will become part of that package

[0:54:17] Voice 8: of information which will be available uh somewhere on the on this particular project

[0:54:22] Voice 8: uh page that would be correct robert that was your expectation yeah thank you sir and so um i'll just

[0:54:30] Voice 8: move on unless there's anything else associated with that that's trust conservancy reported

[0:54:34] Voice 8: court dated july the 22nd um that's uh the honest trust conservancy plan um it's here as a referral

[0:54:43] Voice 8: for comment um and so if there's any uh comments that this ltc would like to make back the honest

[0:54:51] Voice 8: trust conservancy with respect to that what used to be a five-year plan has been evolved into a

[0:54:57] Voice 8: three-year plan in order to uh achieve uh particular objectives um then uh this would

[0:55:04] Voice 8: be your opportunity to provide those comments at this time are there any comments no okay thank you

[0:55:10] Voice 8: so new business the item of new business that Steve Wright has brought us today is

[0:55:15] Voice 8: Brooks Point what's on your mind well

[0:55:17] Voice 2: it was some time ago I contacted CRD

[0:55:22] Voice 2: parks about the deterioration of some of the soils and the plants that are considered to

[0:55:28] Voice 2: be endangered on Brooks Point I never got a response time went by and then we got reports

[0:55:39] Voice 2: reports that there were large gatherings and weddings taking place and people were going

[0:55:43] Voice 2: through the uh the field with uh weed eaters to clear in spaces for the area which was against

[0:55:49] Voice 2: the management plan and contacted Parks Parks acknowledged that fact but they were they seemed

[0:55:55] Voice 2: to be rather hesitant about doing anything about it or enforcing that so this continued on for a

[0:56:01] Voice 2: while um and to the point where i spoke to the pender island conservancy association and they

[0:56:08] Voice 2: expressed this a similar amount of frustration in that crd parks um were feeling that they had

[0:56:16] Voice 2: their management plan they were taking care of business and uh thanks very much for for coming

[0:56:21] Voice 2: out so i contacted um paul brent who is the alternate uh alternate director for crd and

[0:56:29] Voice 2: and asked them to arrange a meeting

[0:56:31] Voice 2: between myself, Friends of Brooks Point,

[0:56:35] Voice 2: PICA, Northern Ireland Conservancy Association,

[0:56:38] Voice 2: the Islands Trust Conservancy, and CRD Parks

[0:56:41] Voice 2: to try and get this squared away.

[0:56:44] Voice 2: Because in the interim,

[0:56:45] Voice 2: they had re-designated Brooks Point to a community park.

[0:56:51] Voice 2: And their designation of that was similar

[0:56:53] Voice 2: to the designation at Elk Lake and Thetis Lake,

[0:56:57] Voice 2: which was open areas and recreational facilities this is a totally against my perception of what

[0:57:05] Voice 2: the community anticipated when it did the fundraising to purchase Brooks Point that area

[0:57:12] Voice 2: is is well it's iconic to South Pender Island and it is one of the most favorite

[0:57:18] Voice 2: spots on the island for visitors and for residents alike so I was really concerned about that

[0:57:26] Voice 2: designation because it went completely against the wishes of the community and also went against the

[0:57:31] Voice 2: determination in the management plan. I also invited Jen Kirkby who is one of the original

[0:57:38] Voice 2: biologists who established the ground rules and the biology report in order to realize what was

[0:57:47] Voice 2: there, what needed protected, what was endangered, what was at risk. It was a meeting that did

[0:57:56] Voice 2: not include Friends of Books Point. They were busy, Islands Trust Conservancy people were

[0:58:01] Voice 2: busy, but it was a good meeting. It was with Mike Solomon, represented CRD Parks. It was

[0:58:08] Voice 2: quite frank. He said that the Parks Board designation had already been approved by the

[0:58:15] Voice 2: board which without any consultation with friends of brooks point pika or this community and i

[0:58:22] Voice 2: thought that was gross violation of any agreement that we may have had with them so um uh we talked

[0:58:30] Voice 2: about how we can get more community involvement in the decision making of these policies

[0:58:35] Voice 2: and um also to ensure the management plan which this community has accepted um is fulfilled

[0:58:42] Voice 2: because it was not being achieved currently by the actions of CRD parks so the meeting ended

[0:58:51] Voice 2: we got a report back from Mark saying that CRD parks admitted that that redesignation was a

[0:58:58] Voice 2: mistake it was going to stand for now but no action would be taking place and that they would

[0:59:05] Voice 2: be eliminating that at the next meeting I think was going to be in a year before they would do

[0:59:11] Voice 2: do it all but brooks point would remain as as it is now um with respect to um large parties they

[0:59:21] Voice 2: said yes we we don't approve of those uh and then turned around and said unless they have a permit

[0:59:26] Voice 2: well i'm not sure how how that works but in their understanding um the community said no large

[0:59:34] Voice 2: gatherings the management plan says no large gathering and then they made the decision but

[0:59:37] Voice 2: you can if we give you a permit so we opposed that we asked for signage they had problems with

[0:59:44] Voice 2: the signage they didn't want too much signage going up there um stating the rules and that

[0:59:48] Voice 2: sort of stuff so in the end result um i've in my discussions with pika friends at brooks point we

[0:59:56] Voice 2: we kind of felt that the community's interests were

[1:00:00] Voice 2: kind of getting snowballed by crd parks and they had bigger fish to fry they had more important

[1:00:05] Voice 2: things to deal with within the central peninsula and they weren't particularly interested in going

[1:00:09] Voice 2: out of their way to do anything to achieve the expectations that this community presented at

[1:00:14] Voice 2: the time of the purchase of the product so when i looked at our zoning our zoning is uh is community

[1:00:20] Voice 2: park for brooks point t3 and that does sort of allow a community park designation the idea of

[1:00:29] Voice 2: that part was conservation that was the whole principle behind the purchase of that property

[1:00:33] Voice 2: and behind the management plan there is no word conservation in our zoning so i just put forward

[1:00:41] Voice 2: to staff a request for the future trustees to to consider a rezoning of that property to rc which

[1:00:49] Voice 2: is consumption conservation um some of the only other rc designated property is the small uh

[1:00:58] Voice 2: point above poet's cove it's a little grassy area in rocky bluff where they wanted 110 condominiums

[1:01:05] Voice 2: there i don't know if you remember all that anybody's been around for that but um that

[1:01:10] Voice 2: that was removed and it is rc it's conservation area and so i felt that if we don't have a

[1:01:16] Voice 2: conservation in our zoning then the crd parks really doesn't have anything anything pressuring

[1:01:22] Voice 2: them to maintain their management policies with respect to conservation so i think if this

[1:01:29] Voice 2: community wants to make sure that that management plan and i urge you all to read it's a great

[1:01:34] Voice 2: management plan if we are going to wish that to be held sacred to this community and to the

[1:01:41] Voice 2: residents, property owners, and visitors, then I think that we need to have the zoning reflect

[1:01:46] Voice 2: those wishes, because at the present, the zoning does not. So I don't think this is

[1:01:51] Voice 2: hugely controversial. I honestly believe that this would be supported broadly throughout the

[1:01:59] Voice 2: community, because Brooks Point is, it's our star, right? And if a mistake was made in the zoning,

[1:02:05] Voice 2: then i think it's time to correct it so that's uh i'm pushing pushing it on to christine and dad to

[1:02:12] Voice 2: take that up if they so wish but i think i think it's about a project so it was on our inactive

[1:02:17] Voice 2: list on the project list and i've asked staff to move it up to the active file so that it will be

[1:02:22] Voice 2: in front of you when you have your first meeting you can deal with it as you see fit

[1:02:25] Voice 2: but that's that's my rationale for that action okay

[1:02:28] Voice 3: should i ask a question what's what is rc

[1:02:31] Voice 3: sea zoning what would that mean it's

[1:02:33] Voice 2: conservation i'm not i'm not sure what the r means but it's

[1:02:36] Voice 2: conservation so we can still use it still go on oh absolutely yeah it doesn't mean that people

[1:02:40] Voice 2: can't use it but it just means that there's there's areas that may have to get blocked off

[1:02:45] Voice 2: there are many areas may have to get blocked off in order for the the plant life and cells to

[1:02:53] Voice 2: rehabilitate themselves or to regrow um but it's the focus is not going to be on recreation

[1:02:59] Voice 2: is going to be the focus on the conservation

[1:03:02] Voice 2: and maintaining the integrity of that point.

[1:03:08] Voice 4: Question.

[1:03:10] Voice 4: Sure, go ahead.

[1:03:11] Voice 11: I'm confused.

[1:03:12] Voice 16: Okay, thank you.

[1:03:13] Voice 16: Oh, sorry.

[1:03:14] Voice 11: Thank you for your answer.

[1:03:15] Voice 11: Yeah, go ahead.

[1:03:15] Voice 11: So I reviewed the agenda

[1:03:18] Voice 11: and I looked at the Islands Trust Conservancy Report

[1:03:21] Voice 11: and I read through it

[1:03:23] Voice 11: and I went to South Pender and what do we have?

[1:03:27] Voice 11: And Brooks Point is listed as a conservancy reserve.

[1:03:34] Voice 11: I think that's what it's called.

[1:03:35] Voice 11: You can't click on it.

[1:03:37] Voice 11: You don't get anything.

[1:03:39] Voice 11: So I went back in and went through it all to figure out how it got to where it is.

[1:03:48] Voice 11: That is identified by the Island's Trust Conservancy as having this special status.

[1:03:54] Voice 11: So if you could clarify for me, Steve, how was it purchased?

[1:03:59] Voice 11: was this donation from the community that purchased it from the brooks and and then it

[1:04:06] Voice 11: went in so it has a covenant on it and usually when there's a covenant on something somebody

[1:04:14] Voice 11: owns it but somebody's still paying taxes on it but it's the conservance it's no is

[1:04:21] Voice 11: it is it parks

[1:04:22] Voice 11: that owns it there is a

[1:04:24] Voice 11: conservancy that owns it the

[1:04:26] Voice 2: property is owned by the crd parks

[1:04:29] Voice 2: um the fundraising was taken up uh by the community and and the area beyond this community

[1:04:36] Voice 2: uh it was purchased and there was money that was required to top it up the purchase price and to

[1:04:44] Voice 2: extend it over to where the lighthouse is and crd contributed that amount of it there are covenant

[1:04:50] Voice 2: holders um the islands trust um conservancy is one uh pika was the second one but they were getting

[1:04:58] Voice 2: getting to the point where that some of their agreements and stewardship agreements were

[1:05:04] Voice 2: being renegotiated and it was the negotiations were not going in a direction that they were

[1:05:11] Voice 2: comfortable with.

[1:05:12] Voice 2: I can tell you now that Mark Solomon and people at CRD parks have heard us loud and clear

[1:05:19] Voice 2: and that the stewardship agreement with PICA

[1:05:23] Voice 2: is being talked about, discussed currently.

[1:05:29] Voice 2: So it is mixed up.

[1:05:32] Voice 2: There are covenants, but CRD Parks owns the property.

[1:05:35] Voice 2: They're the head honchos,

[1:05:37] Voice 2: and they're the ones that either choose

[1:05:41] Voice 2: to act on the management plan or not.

[1:05:44] Voice 2: And it became clear to a number of us

[1:05:47] Voice 2: that they weren't acting strongly.

[1:05:49] Voice 2: well i

[1:05:50] Voice 11: know that there was as you said there were some activities that took place there that

[1:05:54] Voice 11: you know were detrimental to the health of the of the park but um i also know that those people

[1:06:01] Voice 11: realized that they shouldn't have done what they did and they apologized for it publicly so

[1:06:05] Voice 11: um i'm i'm amazed that they can't find the wherewithal to put a sign at the entrances to

[1:06:12] Voice 11: the parks when they can put a sign at the top of the stairs to the beach you know at brook's point

[1:06:18] Voice 11: know or at the end

[1:06:20] Voice 4: of the fair and

[1:06:21] Voice 2: at the bridge so

[1:06:23] Voice 11: anyways but well this just so

[1:06:25] Voice 2: this this just

[1:06:27] Voice 2: this just provides a very clear picture on what the community expects through its own

[1:06:31] Voice 2: which is all we can do so in a sense while we're doing it we reason on it and we're supporting

[1:06:36] Voice 2: pika and and also the arms trust conservancy in pressing for the wishes of this community

[1:06:44] Voice 4: okay

[1:06:44] Voice 8: okay you know we could go on we're not going to solve this problem here

[1:06:48] Voice 15: no i just i wanted to

[1:06:49] Voice 15: add some information so i don't unless the sign has changed recently it doesn't say anything about

[1:06:53] Voice 15: large gatherings and there were more than one incidents that uh caused uh damage to park there

[1:07:02] Voice 15: was one apology but there were multiple incidents that were noted um

[1:07:06] Voice 8: so there's this you know

[1:07:10] Voice 8: characterized as a suggestion that the incoming ltc should consider that both the trustees happen

[1:07:16] Voice 8: happen to be here. Certainly, it might be an item on a projects list. The minutes will record that

[1:07:23] Voice 8: you made this presentation and this recommendation. Personally, I don't know that we necessarily need

[1:07:29] Voice 8: to change the project list because the project list ultimately belongs to new people. Yeah,

[1:07:34] Voice 8: it's on the inactive list anyway. And I've seen nodding heads in the room. I'm also seeing there's

[1:07:39] Voice 8: definitely support for a conversation around this. And so I would suggest that we, you know,

[1:07:45] Voice 8: let's see what you want to do but i'm just

[1:07:47] Voice 4: suggesting i'm

[1:07:48] Voice 8: really happy that you brought

[1:07:50] Voice 8: this to our attention it's recorded on the record there's definitely some support in the community

[1:07:55] Voice 8: for thinking about what options exist for that location and um i think the trustees are here

[1:08:01] Voice 8: and they've heard that so is there anything further you'd like to do no okay that's great

[1:08:05] Voice 8: thank you um upcoming meeting you know this is one of the um i honestly don't like this period

[1:08:12] Voice 8: in time because i'm not in control of my own destiny um but we don't know when many of these

[1:08:17] Voice 8: meetings are going to start to roll out and who's going to be chairing and all those sorts of things

[1:08:21] Voice 8: so this will be determined once the new trustees are sworn in and there's a new executive established

[1:08:26] Voice 8: and a meeting schedule is forthcoming certainly staff are working on it but obviously we need to

[1:08:31] Voice 8: reflect the interests of the incoming trustees as to what their availability is in order for that

[1:08:38] Voice 8: regularity to be applied to the meeting schedule so that'll be coming and it'll be announced it'll

[1:08:42] Voice 8: be posted in all the usual places and so bear with us while we get that figured out so i'm just going

[1:08:49] Voice 8: to now uh ask do we go into the second town hall session here now and just ask for a show of hands

[1:08:56] Voice 8: those that would like to address the ltc at this time one anybody else okay okay

[1:09:03] Voice 6: so gentlemen go

[1:09:05] Voice 8: ahead and let's start with bruce this time first and then we'll go to

[1:09:08] Voice 6: i've already spoken ahead

[1:09:11] Voice 6: you proceed as you see fit and

[1:09:13] Voice 6: i'm not just kidding that's an in joke um yeah it's just

[1:09:18] Voice 6: something and maybe with the new trustees here they might consider too uh i've noticed it's

[1:09:23] Voice 6: been a it's been a bit of a trend and you'll notice when you go to trust council business

[1:09:27] Voice 6: meeting trust council sits facing each other the staff sits at a different table and the audience

[1:09:34] Voice 6: is in the room but it's a it's a business meeting where they discuss amongst themselves

[1:09:39] Voice 6: the trend and you may consider continuing with the trend in that first like the trend has been

[1:09:43] Voice 6: and it shows just in the layout here the fact that it's more of a community information type

[1:09:48] Voice 6: thing dialogue going because i remember we always used to the chair always had to ask the committee

[1:09:54] Voice 6: do you agree with public speaking or asking questions and then that was annotated the fact

[1:09:59] Voice 6: that now the public has been asked to provide input at this particular point but the business

[1:10:05] Voice 6: meeting was always facing each other and doing your business as a local trust committee the

[1:10:11] Voice 6: audience had its opportunity both front and back to but they also the other thing that's been

[1:10:16] Voice 6: missing i think when the when the covid hit and we went to virtual meetings and that is when we

[1:10:22] Voice 6: arrived here a number of years ago we got rid of all the paper because you would have a mound of

[1:10:27] Voice 6: the agenda and they said

[1:10:28] Voice 6: let's get rid of the paper so uh the regional planning manager robert

[1:10:32] Voice 6: jima would show up and the agenda would be posted on the wall so that everyone could read it without

[1:10:37] Voice 6: having to go to the paper they might consider getting back to that now that we're more into

[1:10:42] Voice 6: personal type meetings but that that way everyone's included can watch the meeting progress

[1:10:48] Voice 6: and so they can follow through the business that's being conducted between the trustees you may want

[1:10:53] Voice 6: to continue this friends it's but i'm just pointing out the fact that it's it's quite

[1:10:56] Voice 6: different than you'll find at trust council thank you bruce

[1:11:00] Voice 8: thank you for the reminder of how we

[1:11:03] Voice 8: should do things and where we've come to but

[1:11:06] Voice 9: there's lots of conversation around that so thank

[1:11:09] Voice 9: you very much

[1:11:09] Voice 5: thank you um just to follow up on a couple of steve's comments um the acquisition

[1:11:18] Voice 5: The acquisition of Brooks Point Regional Park took place in three different phases from 1999, 2000 and 2013, and each of them involved fundraising of this community and our conservation partners.

[1:11:35] Voice 5: Together we raised $963,000 toward the acquisition of that park.

[1:11:40] Voice 5: and our conservation partners made it clear

[1:11:44] Voice 5: that their contributions were contingent

[1:11:47] Voice 5: on conservation protection of the values that were there.

[1:11:52] Voice 5: So that was built into the management plan.

[1:11:55] Voice 5: One of the key things about the management plan,

[1:11:57] Voice 5: I think this hopefully will be helpful

[1:11:58] Voice 5: for those that have strong views about these issues as I do,

[1:12:03] Voice 5: but as part of the management plan,

[1:12:06] Voice 5: the conservation partners and the CRD set up

[1:12:10] Voice 5: A management plan advisory group that includes PICA, Friends of Brooks Point, the Covenant Holders, which is a very complicated issue because there's Covenant Holders for three different pieces that are now being consolidated.

[1:12:27] Voice 5: David, and a public representative, David Greer, former trustee here, and also Jan Kirkby, who

[1:12:36] Voice 5: represents the interests of the Brooks family, which was instrumental in the requirement for

[1:12:42] Voice 5: the conservation. So that's some of the background that supports the position that Steve brought

[1:12:48] Voice 5: forward. I have to say that the CRD was very responsive to the conservation imperative when

[1:12:56] Voice 5: and they set up management plan in 2014.

[1:13:00] Voice 5: They listened to the community, we had meetings,

[1:13:02] Voice 5: a lot of the people that were here then

[1:13:04] Voice 5: participated in those meetings.

[1:13:06] Voice 5: And we walked away saying, you did a great job, thank you.

[1:13:10] Voice 5: And that worked well for four years.

[1:13:14] Voice 5: Then there was a change in staffing and others at the CRD.

[1:13:22] Voice 5: And there seemed to be something that happened

[1:13:25] Voice 5: that the CRD took the attitude that it was their park and not a community-focused park

[1:13:32] Voice 5: and not a conservation park, but a recreation park.

[1:13:36] Voice 5: Now, they, at one point, they, I mean, they also wanted to protect some of the areas to

[1:13:46] Voice 5: conserve, and one of the things they proposed to do in, I think, 2016, to bring in split

[1:13:53] Voice 5: rail fencing to keep people off the block. There was a strong reaction from the community about

[1:13:59] Voice 5: split rail fencing on cement blocks as a visual issue. Strong support for protecting the bluffs,

[1:14:08] Voice 5: but that not being the right thing, the right way to go about it. So they took away split rails

[1:14:14] Voice 5: and we asked them to consult with the community before they do that. Now I understand that they

[1:14:23] Voice 5: Thanks to Steve's efforts and PICA's efforts, they're now setting up a stewardship committee

[1:14:32] Voice 5: and a stewardship agreement with PICA so that these issues can be dealt with.

[1:14:36] Voice 5: And I gather that there's some move, and I haven't been part of this as yet, but there's

[1:14:42] Voice 5: some move at the CRD to protect some of these areas.

[1:14:46] Voice 5: areas and split rail fencing was raised again so friends of Brooks Point have expressed some

[1:14:55] Voice 5: concerns about that but that's very active right now so I think this weekend we might get more

[1:15:00] Voice 5: details I've been waiting for some details I'll just say that once we have details I'll send a

[1:15:07] Voice 5: note to the new trustees as to what is going on there so you're in the picture but things are in

[1:15:14] Voice 5: in flux right now, and quite honestly,

[1:15:16] Voice 5: I'm not sure where they're gonna land.

[1:15:18] Voice 5: But I do strongly support the idea

[1:15:22] Voice 5: of designating a conservation value for Brooks Point

[1:15:27] Voice 5: that is consistent with the management plan,

[1:15:30] Voice 5: which is the law that needs to be protected there.

[1:15:33] Voice 5: And on the signage, you're quite right,

[1:15:35] Voice 5: there have been further events and there has been damage,

[1:15:39] Voice 5: and there seems to be little appetite on the CRD's part

[1:15:43] Voice 5: part to address that issue. We made specific proposals about signage, which they said,

[1:15:49] Voice 5: sorry, our bureaucracy doesn't allow for that kind of signage. So anyway, so that's just a bit

[1:15:56] Voice 5: of an update that supports Steve's initiative. And I'll report out when I have more information,

[1:16:02] Voice 5: but that's in flux right now.

[1:16:04] Voice 8: Great. Thank you for that information. And I encourage you to bring

[1:16:07] Voice 8: that back to the new l2c once they've got their feet on the ground um

[1:16:11] Voice 11: thank you i support this

[1:16:15] Voice 11: 100 don't get me wrong but as a

[1:16:17] Voice 11: community if we feel that this is important to us i don't know

[1:16:20] Voice 11: what the hoopla about sprint loads lit rail fences is which why not i just i just don't get it but um

[1:16:30] Voice 11: we could think outside of the box a little bit

[1:16:32] Voice 4: there's

[1:16:33] Voice 11: a wedding planner on this island

[1:16:35] Voice 11: she should be aware that these events should not take place there. They could be promoted

[1:16:42] Voice 11: through the historical society who rents out the church that this is not a place to do these things.

[1:16:49] Voice 11: So, and we have a Tender Island website. Let's get something up there. You know, we can't just,

[1:16:57] Voice 11: if we can't rely on parks to help us out with this, then let's start moving back into the

[1:17:03] Voice 11: community and relying on ourselves and on a call i'd be delighted to understand why a split rail

[1:17:09] Voice 11: fence and keep people off the bluff is the wrong thing it's yeah let's

[1:17:13] Voice 9: debate that at another time

[1:17:15] Voice 9: i think

[1:17:16] Voice 11: it was the concrete

[1:17:17] Voice 9: sorry i think it was the concrete pouring concrete to hold it

[1:17:21] Voice 9: we can

[1:17:23] Voice 10: do it without corn yeah

[1:17:24] Voice 9: exactly christine so

[1:17:27] Voice 10: i'm not sure if there's anyone else that wants

[1:17:28] Voice 10: to say anything but i would just like to thank the outgoing trustees this has been a most unusual

[1:17:34] Voice 10: term given the pandemic and it's uh you've had to deal with some unusual circumstances and deal

[1:17:41] Voice 10: with some very hot topics i know that it's a very difficult thing to do and i just want to say thank

[1:17:46] Voice 10: you both thank you and uh enjoy your see you soon

[1:17:50] Voice 10: thank

[1:17:52] Voice 8: you thank you anybody else address

[1:17:56] Voice 15: the ltc

[1:17:57] Voice 15: that yeah

[1:17:58] Voice 7: i just want to echo what christina said um looking forward to how i'm going to handle it

[1:18:03] Voice 7: and uh you know how yeah so i'm looking forward to it thank you

[1:18:08] Voice 8: excellent any other remarks town hall

[1:18:11] Voice 8: okay

[1:18:12] Voice 9: um

[1:18:13] Voice 8: so we don't have a closed meeting today so this is the moment of adjournment before we

[1:18:17] Voice 8: do that um i actually want to acknowledge and thank laura patrick who is the chair of this

[1:18:22] Voice 8: ltc for three years and um made a significant contribution to the community here and working

[1:18:30] Voice 8: with the trustees and you know i kind of parachuted in to to help out in this tail end

[1:18:36] Voice 8: part i think that i was fortunate to have been the chair uh with bruce and with uh other um previous

[1:18:43] Voice 8: ltc so i did have some background and you know some of you and it's nice to have had this

[1:18:48] Voice 8: reconnection and of course my family connection my father and my brother and north themselves

[1:18:52] Voice 8: self-pender here and um so um thank you for the opportunity to be here thank you trustees

[1:18:57] Voice 8: for your work and um if there's no further business i'll

[1:19:01] Voice 8: ask for adjournment all those in favor that carries there you go thank

[1:19:07] Voice 5: you peter thank you