Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 30, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 13: yeah we're just talking to the room yeah yeah if i make it darker in here but actually having

[0:00:07] Voice 13: those curtains closed there would help me see the audience oh that's true yeah yeah i like to be able

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[0:00:34] Voice 13: do i need to hit will or hit uh

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[0:00:46] Voice 11: can just turn yeah if it's if it's if

[0:00:49] Voice 11: you're looking at the live stream now you can just pause that live stream you know it's good

[0:00:54] Voice 11: and it's going and you can just go ahead

[0:00:59] Voice 11: with your regular meeting.

[0:01:00] Voice 11: I'm

[0:01:00] Voice 13: going to ignore it for the rest of the meeting

[0:01:02] Voice 13: except I'll pause it when we get to the break.

[0:01:04] Voice 11: Sounds great.

[0:01:05] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:01:05] Voice 13: Awesome.

[0:01:06] Voice 13: Thank you as always, Will.

[0:01:07] Voice 13: I really appreciate the support that you provide.

[0:01:11] Voice 14: No problem.

[0:01:15] Voice 14: Everybody take a deep breath.

[0:01:19] Voice 14: So

[0:01:19] Voice 13: good morning, everyone.

[0:01:21] Voice 13: I'm glad we're all here.

[0:01:23] Voice 13: Thank you for all of your work in getting us here.

[0:01:28] Voice 13: I always pause at this moment because I want to acknowledge where we live and work.

[0:01:36] Voice 13: And I pause because I think about how fortunate I am to be able to live here.

[0:01:43] Voice 13: And I think about the history of this place, of the various Coast Salish people that have lived here since time immemorial.

[0:01:52] Voice 13: and looking out across the water here what that means to me is the people that lived

[0:01:58] Voice 13: here in this bay potentially and fished and traveled and had full lives

[0:02:05] Voice 6: for

[0:02:06] Voice 13: thousands or

[0:02:07] Voice 13: tens of thousands of years and there's there was lots of joy and there's been sadness in

[0:02:13] Voice 13: recent history that is a result of colonial activities and we're working hard to come to

[0:02:22] Voice 13: terms with that individually, corporately, and respectfully with the Coast Salish nations.

[0:02:30] Voice 13: I'm pleased to say actually in that light, we are on the verge of signing a protocol agreement with

[0:02:37] Voice 13: the Sanatanaas First Nation, which is the first one we've done in probably 10 years,

[0:02:43] Voice 13: and it's really great that we're embarking on this journey to meaningfully engage with

[0:02:51] Voice 13: first nations on this land for which we have the land use planning authority provided to us by the

[0:02:56] Voice 13: province

[0:02:57] Voice 8: and

[0:02:58] Voice 13: there's lots to resolve so that's my acknowledgement um and i want to introduce

[0:03:04] Voice 13: susan age who of course is your local trustee thank

[0:03:08] Voice 3: you chair luck i too am very grateful

[0:03:10] Voice 3: to live on the traditional territory where this name of first people have lived since time immemorial

[0:03:18] Voice 3: And as a member of council, I am grateful that Islands Trust Council has stated a strong commitment to reconciliation with the understanding that this commitment is a long-term relationship building and healing process.

[0:03:37] Voice 14: And Toby Elliott.

[0:03:38] Voice 3: Good morning, everyone.

[0:03:39] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair Lefkham.

[0:03:41] Voice 3: I, too, am grateful.

[0:03:43] Voice 3: and I was just sitting this morning looking at the sun and my little garden that I'm able to have

[0:03:49] Voice 3: and the cedar trees around me and just so thankful to be on this land and so I look forward to

[0:03:56] Voice 3: advancing the relationship with the First Nations all the Coast Salish First Nations who have rights

[0:04:01] Voice 3: and title in this territory and committing myself to really listening to their priorities and

[0:04:08] Voice 3: and concerns and working together in a good way.

[0:04:12] Voice 13: And I forgot to mention, I'm Peter Luckham,

[0:04:14] Voice 13: the chair of the Gabrielle Local Trust Committee,

[0:04:17] Voice 13: chair of Islands Trust Council,

[0:04:19] Voice 13: and it's a real honor and privilege to meet

[0:04:22] Voice 13: on Gabrielle Island to work with the trustees here

[0:04:24] Voice 13: and staff, so that's it.

[0:04:28] Voice 13: And I'm just going to turn to staff.

[0:04:29] Voice 13: Now we have Sonia Zupanek, a planner with us today,

[0:04:32] Voice 13: and Nadine Morrow, reporter, minute taker,

[0:04:37] Voice 13: and Chloe

[0:04:40] Voice 13: thank you

[0:04:42] Voice 13: our newest team member

[0:04:44] Voice 13: here and really glad that you're here

[0:04:46] Voice 13: and

[0:04:47] Voice 13: thank you for your work

[0:04:50] Voice 13: so we have an agenda

[0:04:53] Voice 13: before us and I'll ask

[0:04:55] Voice 13: if there's any additions or

[0:04:57] Voice 13: deletions on the agenda that

[0:04:59] Voice 13: was presented to us

[0:05:00] Voice 13: just

[0:05:01] Voice 3: one quick thing here

[0:05:02] Voice 3: I've already forgotten but you suggested

[0:05:05] Voice 3: with regard to our

[0:05:06] Voice 3: APC and HAPC

[0:05:09] Voice 3: appointments, some of them are coming due in April, the end of their term. So I just wanted

[0:05:16] Voice 3: a little heads up on that for staff. So

[0:05:19] Voice 15: we'll add that to your business?

[0:05:20] Voice 3: Yeah. And just figure out

[0:05:22] Voice 15: what our expectations might be there. Thank you. That'd be great. And we'll put that at 11.3

[0:05:32] Voice 15: apc appointments toby anything yeah

[0:05:36] Voice 3: i had a few items i'd like to add um under local

[0:05:39] Voice 3: trust committee projects uh could we add the brief discussion of the ocp review

[0:05:46] Voice 3: just at 8.1 or 8.2 8

[0:05:52] Voice 15: .1 or 8.2 so

[0:05:55] Voice 3: what would you like to add well just ocp review project that's

[0:06:00] Voice 15: And so 8.2 OCP review, how does

[0:06:05] Voice 13: that fit in with the document that we have in here?

[0:06:08] Voice 13: Well

[0:06:08] Voice 3: these are just the minutes, those are the slides that were presented.

[0:06:12] Voice 13: So we don't have any, right okay now I understand. So yeah okay so 8.2 we can just ask for a verbal

[0:06:19] Voice 13: update.

[0:06:20] Voice 3: And then I wanted to ask about programming for Trust Council on Vibriola,

[0:06:26] Voice 3: but it might be a bit early um not sure if that needs to be added uh

[0:06:31] Voice 15: that's also be managed at

[0:06:33] Voice 13: the executive although uh certainly what will come out of that is what your interests will be

[0:06:41] Voice 13: in providing a community presentation to the council which has been the traditional so

[0:06:46] Voice 13: we've kind of gotten out of that scheme of things but i think there's some ideas floating out there

[0:06:51] Voice 3: and i should

[0:06:51] Voice 13: just talk to lori and

[0:06:52] Voice 3: that'll be a

[0:06:53] Voice 13: great day and

[0:06:54] Voice 3: you and i should talk to me because

[0:06:55] Voice 3: i did suggest one thing yeah so do you want

[0:06:58] Voice 3: that on the agenda or yes that's okay um i can take

[0:07:01] Voice 3: that up and then sorry a sign um from the email well from the report from our regional director

[0:07:08] Voice 3: about the rdn having signed up as a signatory to the ice to the letter of support i don't know if

[0:07:14] Voice 3: that's

[0:07:15] Voice 15: i'm not aware of this trust conservancy no

[0:07:20] Voice 3: it's t is the island coastal economic trust

[0:07:24] Voice 3: oh yeah and

[0:07:25] Voice 3: adam wilson and a lot of the ccs in the southern gulf islands have

[0:07:29] Voice 3: written letters of support asking the province to re-institute or ratify some funding and so

[0:07:36] Voice 3: i just wanted to ask i'm

[0:07:37] Voice 14: not aware of that oh

[0:07:38] Voice 3: and i think they're going to be discussing that

[0:07:40] Voice 3: at the rural islands economic forum coming up and that's another thing i want to add to the agenda

[0:07:45] Voice 3: right ask if we could discuss attendance so maybe attendance at regional and support for regional

[0:07:53] Voice 13: so that's something that we want to ask council to endorse and so i

[0:07:57] Voice 13: think that maybe needs to go

[0:07:58] Voice 13: yeah

[0:07:59] Voice 4: um

[0:08:01] Voice 13: although it could certainly be a motion from the ltc asking ec to consider this but um

[0:08:08] Voice 13: So I'm thinking we maybe don't have all the information at the moment.

[0:08:12] Voice 15: Okay,

[0:08:12] Voice 3: it's been circulating around the Southern Gulf Islands and LTCs.

[0:08:15] Voice 15: Oh, I've seen it. I'm not in that loop anymore.

[0:08:18] Voice 15: So the Southern Gulf

[0:08:19] Voice 3: Islands Forum discussed it,

[0:08:20] Voice 3: and a lot of the LTCs are signing this letter of endorsement

[0:08:24] Voice 3: asking the province to support the ICT funding because we do benefit.

[0:08:28] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:08:30] Voice 5: I don't know where to add that.

[0:08:35] Voice 6: Oh, sure.

[0:08:39] Voice 15: I guess,

[0:08:40] Voice 13: how do we make an endorsement?

[0:08:41] Voice 13: if you want to ask us to support how do we make an informed decision yeah

[0:08:44] Voice 3: it's well it's partially

[0:08:45] Voice 3: in our um rdn report so that oh

[0:08:49] Voice 13: i see the board has

[0:08:50] Voice 3: agreed to be a signatory and a letter yeah

[0:08:52] Voice 3: so presumably there's a letter already circulating we're

[0:08:56] Voice 13: happy to support whatever direction we pick

[0:08:59] Voice 13: that up as a as an action item associated with the rdn report yeah

[0:09:03] Voice 4: sure maybe yeah okay

[0:09:04] Voice 13: thank you

[0:09:08] Voice 4: Anything else?

[0:09:14] Voice 14: I'm just going to put that island economic.

[0:09:20] Voice 14: And

[0:09:20] Voice 13: Stan, do you have anything?

[0:09:21] Voice 14: No.

[0:09:22] Voice 13: All right.

[0:09:23] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:09:23] Voice 13: So then did you manage to get those, Nadine?

[0:09:27] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:09:28] Voice 13: So then let's adopt the agenda then as amended and let us begin.

[0:09:35] Voice 13: So we'll start with the reports and we'll start off with trustee reports.

[0:09:38] Voice 13: works and who wants to go first today okay

[0:09:41] Voice 3: well we did not do trustee reports at the last

[0:09:45] Voice 3: lgc meeting because we focused on ocp that's right so i kind of saved up a few things here

[0:09:51] Voice 3: i'll try to

[0:09:52] Voice 3: be very brief um i did want to mention i'm sort of doing this in date order here

[0:09:57] Voice 3: in early february i attended the blackburn beaver project that was put on by the salt

[0:10:05] Voice 3: Saltsman Island Conservancy. And I had the most, I just thought it was the most illuminating and

[0:10:12] Voice 3: informative and interesting discussion. It was a webinar presented by Simon Henson and the

[0:10:19] Voice 3: Saltsman Island Conservancy. And it covered the history of the Blackburn area from 1907 to the

[0:10:26] Voice 3: present date. So it was a dairy farm. It was drained in 1994, became a blog course. And I

[0:10:33] Voice 3: I remember when that happened and more drainage happened and then in 2013 the golf course was

[0:10:40] Voice 3: decommissioned and I remember that too and

[0:10:42] Voice 3: the conservancy began restoration of the wetland

[0:10:46] Voice 3: and there were major environmental considerations and it turned out that beavers were huge in helping

[0:10:55] Voice 3: them to restore over a 10-year period that entire wetland including the cushion creek or cushion

[0:11:02] Voice 3: lake drainage area and it turns out that beavers are a keystone species no other animal can fill

[0:11:09] Voice 3: its role in the natural environment they are wetland engineers of the highest order they can

[0:11:16] Voice 3: expand wetlands and prevent water loss for large areas which in turn is really important for

[0:11:23] Voice 3: fire prevention and just retention of water so i learned all about their family each family unit

[0:11:31] Voice 3: the history of how beaver raises its family and all that sort of thing but the most important

[0:11:36] Voice 3: thing that i learned as far as the island's trust was that the biodiversity in that whole

[0:11:42] Voice 3: cushion creek watershed blackburn lake nature reserve has markedly improved over the last 10

[0:11:49] Voice 3: years um and a lot of it has to do with protecting the beavers there and we have beavers on gabriel

[0:11:57] Voice 3: roll it too so i thought that was quite relevant thank you so

[0:12:01] Voice 3: that was the first thing and the

[0:12:02] Voice 3: second thing um oh and we received a letter from harleen home who's a respected elder and past

[0:12:10] Voice 3: trustee on denman island some time ago just contributing to the policy statement and one

[0:12:16] Voice 3: of the things that harleen home pointed out to us is that for islands with a beaver population

[0:12:21] Voice 3: we should establish protective measures for the critters that manage water better than any

[0:12:27] Voice 3: human expert and i

[0:12:29] Voice 3: looked at that letter shortly after i had attended the beaver webinar and i

[0:12:32] Voice 3: thought no that seems important so the next um the next item that was relevant to my work as a

[0:12:40] Voice 3: trustee was i attended the herring fest on harvey island after grant scott has been you know

[0:12:49] Voice 3: asking us for years to attend the herring fest i was finally able to to do that and it was

[0:12:56] Voice 3: was wonderful. I learned about the remarkable success. To me, the most important thing I learned

[0:13:02] Voice 3: out of that whole three-day festival was the success of the Kitasu Haihai First Nation,

[0:13:09] Voice 3: whose determination to save one of the last herring spawning areas on the BC coast was

[0:13:17] Voice 3: successful. So Chief Doug Nieslas, he's also the stewardship director for the Kitasu Haihai

[0:13:24] Voice 3: Ice Nation. He told a full house, there was over 120 people at this event, about their Indigenous

[0:13:34] Voice 3: protected area. And I am just going to follow everything I can on future Indigenous protected

[0:13:42] Voice 3: areas. The second day of the hearing festival, Denise Smith from the Klamath Nation, she's the

[0:13:50] Voice 3: Lands and Resources Director. She spoke about her community's work to secure resource stewardship

[0:13:57] Voice 3: to protect it for future generations. She also noted that securing an Indigenous protected area

[0:14:06] Voice 3: for part of their coastal area would be really, really helpful. So

[0:14:13] Voice 3: it's all about long-lasting

[0:14:15] Voice 3: guardianship of those resources um so i'll leave that i i learned a lot there was i just learned

[0:14:22] Voice 3: so much over those three days and it was just wonderful to be there to be hosted by generous

[0:14:28] Voice 3: hornby islanders that's awesome um thirdly toby and i both attended the bc ferry authority

[0:14:37] Voice 3: meeting

[0:14:37] Voice 4: it was

[0:14:38] Voice 3: like a big party on february 16th okay i'm just going to be blunt here

[0:14:43] Voice 3: i left early it was way too noisy i i just felt like it was

[0:14:49] Voice 4: i

[0:14:50] Voice 3: don't know it's just like

[0:14:51] Voice 3: a big fancy cocktail party so yeah i'm just gonna leave it at that i didn't i met several people but

[0:15:00] Voice 3: all i could determine was that there was this big middle management body that to me did not

[0:15:07] Voice 3: translate into the things that we need to work on at BC Ferries. However,

[0:15:12] Voice 3: I also attended the

[0:15:15] Voice 3: Ferry Advisory Committee meeting hosted here on Gabriola. This was only a week or so ago.

[0:15:23] Voice 3: That was very useful. BC Ferries talked about the new proposed Nanaimo Harbour Terminal,

[0:15:34] Voice 3: which all of this work will not be completed until 2028 so they talked about new berths new

[0:15:41] Voice 3: ticket booths expanded waiting room increased vehicle holding capacity new pickup and drop-off

[0:15:47] Voice 3: areas and they talked about the Descanso Bay terminal our terminal again new berths new

[0:15:54] Voice 3: waiting room additional vehicle holding capacity reduced traffic overflow on the road one of the

[0:16:01] Voice 3: things that our members of the ferry advisory committee here on gabriela keep asking bc ferries

[0:16:08] Voice 3: is um start working now on the congestion uh the at the ferry terminal here

[0:16:15] Voice 6: because it's really

[0:16:16] Voice 3: serious so we're encouraging them to do do that as soon as possible even if everything else takes

[0:16:24] Voice 3: until 2028 um yeah toby you might have a bit more to add to that in your report because you were at

[0:16:35] Voice 3: that meeting as well um one of the things that the ferry advisor committee said to bc ferries

[0:16:43] Voice 3: in no uncertain terms is that the provision of foot passenger service via water taxi to the green

[0:16:50] Voice 3: green wharf with no land services to that wharf does not provide an alternative service provision

[0:16:57] Voice 3: that is

[0:16:58] Voice 3: not good enough. And

[0:17:00] Voice 3: we know that we've all tried to get from green wharf to wherever we

[0:17:03] Voice 3: need to get to. Unless you're a really good walker, it's not going to work. The other thing

[0:17:10] Voice 3: we encouraged BC Ferries to do is to try to deal with that tie-up issue on the other side and then

[0:17:17] Voice 3: the NIMO side where they have to tie the overnight ferry broadside rather than dock it properly nose

[0:17:24] Voice 3: in because in extreme weather conditions it really causes problems and I didn't know that

[0:17:30] Voice 3: so that's very interesting. Apparently in spite of some of the issues we all know about route 19

[0:17:40] Voice 3: our route has among the best on-time performance in the fleet at 96 percent and that's probably

[0:17:46] Voice 3: will be true because we know that when both ferries are running it's great it's when they're

[0:17:51] Voice 3: not running that it doesn't sound good so i'll leave that um last thing i wanted to mention is

[0:18:00] Voice 3: that i did attend the online bc coastal marine strategy presentation on march 23rd um ministry

[0:18:09] Voice 3: of water lands and resource stewardship presented that it was an update and discussion with the

[0:18:15] Voice 3: Islands Trust. It covers near-shore coastal ecosystems. That's the primary focus. And it

[0:18:23] Voice 3: will be developed with coastal First Nations. And they say that that is well underway, which is

[0:18:30] Voice 3: great. It focuses on provincial interests. It complements federal initiatives. Here's something

[0:18:38] Voice 3: I picked up on. It includes elements of ecosystem-based management. But I would like the

[0:18:45] Voice 3: whole thing to be based on ecosystem-based management but anyway it includes elements

[0:18:50] Voice 3: um there's a 20-year outlook which they consider long term they consider 20 years long term and i

[0:18:58] Voice 3: i thought are you kidding when i think about environmental um long term i think about

[0:19:05] Voice 3: seven generations right anyway

[0:19:08] Voice 6: um

[0:19:09] Voice 3: the the coastal marine strategy it could enable new legislation

[0:19:14] Voice 3: but it is not legislative in itself um yeah there's no spatial zoning it is much broader than

[0:19:21] Voice 3: that and um they aim to nurture healthy and productive ecosystems with resilience to climate

[0:19:30] Voice 3: change so again when they say that the long term is 20 years

[0:19:35] Voice 6: and

[0:19:36] Voice 3: we're looking at climate change

[0:19:37] Voice 3: they they

[0:19:38] Voice 3: need to look longer than that but it was interesting and i'm glad that we were invited

[0:19:42] Voice 3: to attend and that's the end of my trustee report thank you for being so patient

[0:19:48] Voice 4: so it's good to

[0:19:50] Voice 4: hear you want me to

[0:19:54] Voice 3: launch in yeah go right in

[0:19:55] Voice 3: okay um thank you for bringing up the coastal

[0:19:58] Voice 3: marine strategy that was a really uh informative webinar and i was very thankful to hear some of

[0:20:04] Voice 3: the language especially about working with citizens um collecting data and really synergizing

[0:20:11] Voice 3: the uh approaches to coastal protection all up and down the coast so um really hopeful for that

[0:20:18] Voice 3: um we had a significant well we had a surprise trust council meeting not surprised

[0:20:27] Voice 4: special

[0:20:28] Voice 3: special special trust council meeting yesterday chair luck i'll let you fill in

[0:20:32] Voice 3: maybe about that important agreement um but it i'm just so pleased that that went

[0:20:39] Voice 3: through and that we were advancing our relationship with St. Augustine First Nation

[0:20:43] Voice 3: and I just want to note that there's a for those that want to learn about the Tumac Treaty

[0:20:48] Voice 3: there's an open house coming up which I think RDN Director Vanessa referenced in her report

[0:20:56] Voice 3: so that'll involve the St. Augustine First Nation and other ones. I attended a culturally committed

[0:21:06] Voice 3: event the first one in person this isn't really officially part of my Milo's Trust work but it's

[0:21:12] Voice 3: a learning group around reconciliation informed by and with Coast Salish Indigenous mentors

[0:21:20] Voice 3: and so we ask questions and we get clarity on protocol and best practices so we met for the

[0:21:26] Voice 3: first time in person at someone's house in Maple Bay and it was so meaningful we got to make a

[0:21:34] Voice 3: drum and i give that away and eat some beautiful seafood chowder prepared by um daniel elliott

[0:21:42] Voice 3: mr manis and so it's just a really wonderful time of connecting and deepening um my personally my

[0:21:49] Voice 3: commitment to learning through that venue and hopefully bringing that back to trust council so

[0:21:57] Voice 3: So one of the big things that we witnessed, March Trust Council, was that I originally put a motion forward to have a Reconciliation Action Committee.

[0:22:08] Voice 3: And staff came back with this wonderful suggestion that not a committee, but a learning group where trustees who are interested can join and can be more open and informal.

[0:22:19] Voice 3: And it's really for the purpose of learning how to come forward in a good way and engage with First Nations respectfully.

[0:22:25] Voice 3: respectfully so i'm really excited about that i am too as a learning i think it's going to be

[0:22:30] Voice 3: exactly what we need um i'll be attending the housing summit ubcm um ubc mission uh union of

[0:22:41] Voice 3: bc municipalities is called a housing summit for next week and so i'll be there with some colleagues

[0:22:46] Voice 3: on may or on um april 4th and 5th and really listening to all the industry leaders and

[0:22:53] Voice 3: provincial and municipal leaders as to what direction they're going to go with housing

[0:22:57] Voice 3: strategies and we really want to make sure that we're a voice for rural island specific housing

[0:23:04] Voice 3: strategies as well so i guess you'll be going as a panelist is that right that's

[0:23:10] Voice 13: correct awesome

[0:23:11] Voice 13: it was a surprise actually i was going to speak to that oh

[0:23:15] Voice 3: good great we'll get all that info out

[0:23:18] Voice 3: out of you make sure that you're there representing the islands as well um birthday april 21st we can

[0:23:25] Voice 3: let people know maybe next trust council meeting but that's coming up and both susan and i will be

[0:23:30] Voice 3: present and finally uh communication with me um i receive all the emails if you want to email me

[0:23:38] Voice 3: about anything i love that kind of communication or in-person meetings i really prefer in-person

[0:23:43] Voice 3: person, meetings, if you've got an issue or a concern. I like to hear from people themselves

[0:23:49] Voice 3: because there's often complexity and there's things that can be hard to communicate with

[0:23:54] Voice 3: in an email. So I've chosen not to discuss policy issues on Facebook. I've put that in my

[0:24:03] Voice 3: trustee report. I just don't think it's a democratic forum. So some people are calling

[0:24:07] Voice 3: me saying, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? What's your position on that

[0:24:11] Voice 3: policy and i just i'm not

[0:24:13] Voice 3: going to engage on facebook um but please come see me in my trusty

[0:24:17] Voice 3: office hours i have them almost every week or email me call me and uh i love to have in-person

[0:24:23] Voice 3: conversations so hope that helps and oh there is a cool more thing sorry there's a really good uh

[0:24:32] Voice 3: speaking of edu i will put out educational pieces and so there's a really good webinar coming up

[0:24:37] Voice 3: called the role of for fire in forested communities and it's really um it's pulling

[0:24:43] Voice 3: together three leaders who talk about the role of strategic well the well-planned use of fire

[0:24:50] Voice 3: and how they can help regenerate the forest and of course this is coast salish how coast salish

[0:24:55] Voice 3: people manage the health of the forest so that's coming up that was put out by the island's trust

[0:25:00] Voice 3: Conservancy. When

[0:25:02] Voice 4: is that? It will

[0:25:03] Voice 3: be, it's an online webinar. Shoot, I wrote it down. It's on

[0:25:10] Voice 3: my Facebook page. Where did it go? I can find it. Oh, it's April 18th, 10 till 1130. So Delivering

[0:25:20] Voice 3: Nature-Based Solutions, Stephen Godfrey from the Nature Conservancy of Canada will share about

[0:25:26] Voice 3: controlled burns that have been undertaken with the Cowichan Gary Oak Preserve to encourage

[0:25:30] Voice 3: regrowth of species and then there's two others and it's specifically in the coastal douglas fur

[0:25:35] Voice 3: ecosystem so sorry that was a lot of info

[0:25:40] Voice 14: thank

[0:25:42] Voice 12: you i

[0:25:43] Voice 13: just got a glance at your calendar and that

[0:25:45] Voice 13: looks scary there are no free spaces on your calendar i just know that not that mine's any

[0:25:52] Voice 13: better than yours so from the chair's role not a lot of on the ground work on Gabriela but

[0:26:03] Voice 13: certainly always interested to hear from constituents here from the federation wide

[0:26:09] Voice 13: perspective this last month it's hard to believe that actually April is around the corner but here

[0:26:14] Voice 13: we are and it's been a month since we had our last meeting which indeed as Susan pointed out was a

[0:26:19] Voice 13: special meeting to talk about DOCP. So this is the first chance really to bring you up to date

[0:26:23] Voice 13: with business. And so that said, this month has been very busy. In fact, we had our trust council

[0:26:31] Voice 13: meeting at the beginning of March 7th, 8th and 9th. And that's our budget council. And we passed

[0:26:36] Voice 13: a budget for 2023-24. And, you know, you'll be pleased, I'm pleased that we were successful

[0:26:46] Voice 13: in advancing a budget of only 2% tax increase

[0:26:50] Voice 13: despite significant increases in costs

[0:26:55] Voice 13: as we're all experiencing with inflation the way it is

[0:26:58] Voice 13: and a significant wage increase to staff

[0:27:01] Voice 13: which is brought to us as a provincial agency

[0:27:05] Voice 13: of the province that comes with the public sector

[0:27:09] Voice 13: employees program and we don't have any control over that.

[0:27:14] Voice 13: And so in reality, we're hoping to do more for less this term, and we're going to do justice to that.

[0:27:23] Voice 13: And so many local trust committees, your local trust committee, the committees that oversee broad operations and council really looked at where we could potentially save monies in order to advance a smaller increase than might have been potential.

[0:27:42] Voice 13: And we were successful in doing that.

[0:27:44] Voice 13: and so that's um that's what the work has done we also had a bylaw enforcement session that was the

[0:27:49] Voice 13: other highlight of that particular council to bring this new council right we just had an

[0:27:54] Voice 13: election although it seems a while ago now um but bringing all the new trustees up to speed and

[0:28:00] Voice 13: refreshing the old trustees um how bylaw enforcement is unfolds and acts accordingly

[0:28:07] Voice 13: um to uh support um official community plans and land use bylaws and so that was very informative

[0:28:13] Voice 13: and a decision was made actually to consult

[0:28:16] Voice 13: with the office of the ombudsperson

[0:28:18] Voice 13: to review best practices in relation to what we do do

[0:28:21] Voice 13: to be sure that we're holding up the standards

[0:28:25] Voice 13: that are recommended by the province.

[0:28:28] Voice 13: So that work will be undertaken over the next few months

[0:28:31] Voice 13: and you'll see that coming.

[0:28:34] Voice 13: I'm not going to bore you with too much more.

[0:28:38] Voice 13: I'm also the chair of Gambier Island Local Trust Committee,

[0:28:41] Voice 13: which is also a new experience for me

[0:28:43] Voice 13: and so I'm getting started in that community and the issues that are there.

[0:28:48] Voice 13: We've just had a special council meeting on Tuesday for council to formally endorse

[0:28:56] Voice 13: and advance to the minister protocol agreement with the S'Nanaknas Nation,

[0:29:01] Voice 13: and that's the first new protocol that we've participated in.

[0:29:07] Voice 13: In probably 10 years, we have protocols with S'Nanemo and with L'Aix Nation,

[0:29:13] Voice 13: And many of the nations are asking for these formal relationships in order to be able to provide an opportunity to have dialogue.

[0:29:20] Voice 13: And so we're certainly excited about that with Sananas.

[0:29:24] Voice 13: And that it's interesting, you know, the territory.

[0:29:27] Voice 13: It's interesting. It represents the most significant interest at the moment for the Sananas is the Skidi Island,

[0:29:35] Voice 13: because they're in the middle of an OCP review.

[0:29:37] Voice 13: view and some they've also retained a timber license on that island to do some selective

[0:29:43] Voice 13: harvesting and and also I can't speak for the nation but to also do some protection and

[0:29:49] Voice 13: preservation of those lands and but they also have interests in as far north as Hornby and Denman

[0:29:56] Voice 13: and then as far south here as Gabriola

[0:29:59] Voice 13: Thank you, Paula.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: And so as time goes by, there may be opportunities for us to engage in those conversations through this protocol agreement, through the Luskegee Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:30:08] Voice 13: And so these are really good things to advance the reconciliation work that we're so very interested in doing.

[0:30:17] Voice 13: So just on a final note, indeed, there's a housing forum coming up at the beginning of the month, which is quite broad spectrum,

[0:30:24] Voice 13: covers the housing crisis, the rental markets, short-term vacation rentals, those sorts of things.

[0:30:30] Voice 13: houses and housing and people

[0:30:31] Voice 8: and

[0:30:32] Voice 13: um i was participated in the short-term rental uh

[0:30:37] Voice 13: working group uh the last couple of years a year ago dan rogers the previous chair of this ltc

[0:30:43] Voice 13: also participated in that um role um in the last year of it and they've asked for uh representation

[0:30:50] Voice 13: from the islands trust uh to sit on a panel to talk about that experience and and what we've

[0:30:55] Voice 13: learned and what we're doing and all that sort of stuff so i'm uh i was pleased to receive the

[0:31:01] Voice 13: invite so i'll be attending that and making a presentation on the wednesday and um i'm going

[0:31:06] Voice 13: to be covering just so you know happy to talk to anybody about it um but in broad strokes talking

[0:31:13] Voice 13: about the housing crisis throughout the islands trust area short-term rentals is what the province

[0:31:19] Voice 13: calls them but we've called them short-term vacation rentals typically but it turns out

[0:31:23] Voice 13: that there's a much more diverse market than just people vacationing it's workers and

[0:31:27] Voice 13: other people that are taking advantage of visiting or working on the islands and talking about the

[0:31:34] Voice 13: broad perspective of the unique issues associated with fairies and travel and work

[0:31:39] Voice 13: but also clearly identifying that strs are challenging our communities both providing

[0:31:47] Voice 13: tourism and economic activity but also impacting the availability of housing stock and of course

[0:31:53] Voice 13: in the middle of that is the workers that want to work in the tourism industry or want to work

[0:31:57] Voice 13: in building houses, it's difficult to find short-term or long-term accommodation. So that's

[0:32:03] Voice 6: sort of a

[0:32:03] Voice 13: nutshell of it. I'm looking forward to that opportunity. That's it for me. I don't

[0:32:09] Voice 13: need to say any more. We do have, I'm just going to note, and happy for anybody else to chime in

[0:32:15] Voice 13: here, we do have two reports that came in the day before yesterday, I think, from Vanessa.

[0:32:21] Voice 13: Vanessa, let

[0:32:22] Voice 13: me just pull them up here, from Vanessa Craig, Regional Director for Area B.

[0:32:28] Voice 13: She's provided a full report, which I'm presuming, if they're not online already, they will be at some point as part of our Gabriella thing.

[0:32:37] Voice 13: In

[0:32:37] Voice 17: the amended agenda.

[0:32:38] Voice 17: In

[0:32:39] Voice 13: the amended agenda. Thank you very much.

[0:32:40] Voice 13: And there's also a second quite interesting item from the BC farmers markets that Vanessa has sent to us as well, which is an exciting, great story from our community and wonderful outcomes regarding a community's access to fresh and healthy local food and

[0:32:58] Voice 13: local farmers getting greater economic activity.

[0:33:01] Voice 13: So both of those are available there. I think they got a $38,000 worth of coupons in the market.

[0:33:14] Voice 13: So that's a significant economic boost to local farming.

[0:33:19] Voice 13: And in fact, I'll just toss in, I just heard this on the news, I didn't even know what was happening.

[0:33:23] Voice 13: Our very own food cooperative on Cetus Island just received, I think, $22,000 to assist in sustainable food and ensuring that seniors are getting wholesome, fresh food and stuff like that.

[0:33:37] Voice 13: I don't know the full extent of it, but that was, I heard it first on the news.

[0:33:41] Voice 6: So

[0:33:41] Voice 13: there's lots of good activity.

[0:33:43] Voice 6: I

[0:33:44] Voice 13: don't know, the province seems to have a surplus of money.

[0:33:47] Voice 13: I think there's more news

[0:33:49] Voice 3: to come from that.

[0:33:51] Voice 13: okay could

[0:33:52] Voice 3: i return to something from vanessa yeah

[0:33:55] Voice 13: so i wanted to provide that opportunity

[0:33:56] Voice 13: to some highlight you would like to make with respect to either so

[0:33:59] Voice 3: it's simply that the board

[0:34:01] Voice 3: had agreed to be a signatory on a letter urgently calling on premier evie to recapitalize the island

[0:34:08] Voice 3: coastal economic trust ice team as without recapitalization ice team might face dissolution

[0:34:14] Voice 3: as early as this year so i was looking around for information about that to see if this ltc could

[0:34:20] Voice 3: sign on as well as a signatory um there's lots of islands in the southern gulf islands that

[0:34:26] Voice 3: mobilized by mla um critic adam olson and uh or mp sorry adam olson and so the call to recapitalize

[0:34:36] Voice 3: the ist and supportive so i don't know if this trust committee wants to look up for look that

[0:34:43] Voice 3: for that for a letter and sign-on as well because of interest or is it more appropriate for council

[0:34:51] Voice 13: yeah the ICT has been around for a while certainly some you know it's interesting how the funding

[0:34:57] Voice 13: formula works but I remember rightly some we've had difficulty accessing that funding over the

[0:35:01] Voice 13: years recently we've had better access to it um and so it's interesting that and it's been around

[0:35:08] Voice 13: for quite a while so it's interesting that the province is thinking of dissolving it but it

[0:35:12] Voice 13: It turns out that along with expenditures that departments are doing, they're also looking at the necessity of having to cut back in other areas.

[0:35:19] Voice 4: Right.

[0:35:19] Voice 13: And so this is, I think, maybe

[0:35:20] Voice 13: one of those examples.

[0:35:21] Voice 13: But, you know, it's really up to the local trust committee.

[0:35:26] Voice 13: I'll support whatever it is you wish to do.

[0:35:28] Voice 13: But for an informed decision about letter writing, it might be ideal to maybe see what it is that the letter endorsements look like, even the one from the NIMO, and then determine whether or not we want to sign on in some fashion by writing our own letter.

[0:35:46] Voice 13: It might not be.

[0:35:46] Voice 13: It's something perhaps if we have a discussion about it that we might be able to do by RWM.

[0:35:51] Voice 13: I'll look to staff that if we've discussed writing a letter that we could maybe endorse something in that fashion.

[0:35:58] Voice 13: We have it crafted.

[0:35:59] Voice 13: I'm getting a nod from over there.

[0:36:02] Voice 3: I'd like to know a little bit more about it.

[0:36:05] Voice 3: And then I'm happy to do it by RWM.

[0:36:08] Voice 13: Well, can I leave it with you to figure that out, distribute the information?

[0:36:12] Voice 13: And then everyone be careful about not making a decision electronically or otherwise, of course.

[0:36:19] Voice 13: It's not affecting an outcome, necessarily.

[0:36:21] Voice 13: It's not our current business.

[0:36:24] Voice 13: I'm

[0:36:24] Voice 3: not sure what the time frame is.

[0:36:26] Voice 3: So

[0:36:26] Voice 13: I'll get some information.

[0:36:28] Voice 3: So circulate that information.

[0:36:30] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:36:33] Voice 14: So thank you

[0:36:34] Voice 13: for speaking to that.

[0:36:35] Voice 13: First Nations reports, we don't have any on our agenda today.

[0:36:39] Voice 13: As we engage perhaps in more First Nations protocol agreements, we may start to see some reporting coming to us from the body.

[0:36:51] Voice 15: There's going to be four people from the Alam's Trust will be

[0:36:57] Voice 13: represented on this protocol agreement working group, and

[0:37:02] Voice 13: a number of people from the nation, and that may be four as well.

[0:37:06] Voice 13: um and so there'll be ongoing meetings regularly scheduled which with agenda items and things so

[0:37:13] Voice 13: it's likely we'll see reporting out from that group um in this section on your agenda as time

[0:37:18] Voice 13: goes by you have

[0:37:19] Voice 13: something else yeah

[0:37:20] Voice 3: very quickly um i did finally present the some of the initial

[0:37:25] Voice 3: findings from my research project which is called walking in truth unsettling decolonizing and

[0:37:31] Voice 3: and learning relational ways of being

[0:37:32] Voice 3: for key organizations on Gabriela Island.

[0:37:35] Voice 3: It's an action research project started in 2020

[0:37:40] Voice 3: with the Truth and Reconciliation Committee

[0:37:42] Voice 3: of the Gabriela Museum.

[0:37:43] Voice 3: And so I gave a presentation at their AGM

[0:37:46] Voice 3: and Elder Geraldine Matson and Elder Dave Bodley

[0:37:50] Voice 3: were in the audience.

[0:37:51] Voice 3: So I actually played a couple of recordings

[0:37:54] Voice 3: from the interview that we did with Lisa Wilcox,

[0:37:57] Voice 3: the former senior intergovernmental policy advisor.

[0:38:00] Voice 3: she'd give me permission to share and the group was really moved by that and so that's something

[0:38:06] Voice 3: I'm wanting to work on and keep bringing forward in community well I want to share thanks it's a

[0:38:13] Voice 3: big milestone I'm back in school and I can maybe finish this degree well I will who will

[0:38:23] Voice 13: anyway good luck with that thank you for your work and I really appreciate your enthusiasm and

[0:38:29] Voice 15: commitment to that work um i

[0:38:33] Voice 13: think that's enough from this table this is our opportunity for uh

[0:38:37] Voice 13: public comments and so um i'll just ask the members of the audience here today

[0:38:42] Voice 13: do is to address the local trust committee um typically um if we have business items on the

[0:38:48] Voice 13: agenda we'd like you to speak to any of those business items that might be here or our

[0:38:53] Voice 13: applications or permits that are being requested this is your opportunity to speak to those um

[0:38:58] Voice 13: If there's an application or a permit that you're aware of that's in stream that's coming to us

[0:39:03] Voice 13: and you have some remark associated with it, we'd be happy to hear from you as well about those

[0:39:10] Voice 13: and other items that are within the jurisdiction of the Alders Trust.

[0:39:14] Voice 13: So if you'd raise your hand and anybody else.

[0:39:19] Voice 13: So let's go with the gentleman here.

[0:39:21] Voice 13: You can certainly follow.

[0:39:22] Voice 13: But, sir, over to you if you state your name for the record.

[0:39:25] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:39:25] Voice 13: Do you want me to stand?

[0:39:26] Voice 10: No, I think we can see

[0:39:28] Voice 10: and hear you from here.

[0:39:29] Voice 10: My name is Graham Ware, and I live on Queequeg, Turnbull, and Gabriola.

[0:39:35] Voice 10: And the reason I'm coming here is probably what you would consider an ongoing concern.

[0:39:42] Voice 10: That's what I call the gratuitous killing of trees.

[0:39:47] Voice 10: By that, what I mean is the trees are healthy, they're mature,

[0:39:51] Voice 10: and the people, the property owners just take them down,

[0:39:55] Voice 10: and they use the excuse of they're messy so what i'd like to do is enter the record i only found

[0:40:02] Voice 10: out about this uh meeting about an hour and a half ago so i'd like to just put this into the

[0:40:08] Voice 10: record so everybody has it so this is just it's a bit notey uh i hope you'll excuse that sure

[0:40:14] Voice 10: and

[0:40:15] Voice 15: i'll get one just give me this one's the minute ticker so it can be part of the

[0:40:20] Voice 15: record we can share all

[0:40:21] Voice 10: right so i'd just like to sort of uh sneak through the notes

[0:40:25] Voice 10: I'm going to put together in regards to this because, and I want to first of all say that this is not simply a knee-jerk reaction of the NIMBY variety.

[0:40:39] Voice 14: This

[0:40:39] Voice 10: is something that has been filtered and considered, and finally it was time to do something and to say something.

[0:40:51] Voice 10: People in question have taken down trees, large trees that are actually on the RDN trail about the time that we moved there six years ago.

[0:41:03] Voice 10: Two years ago, they took down some huge abys grandus or grand pers, and then this past time, if it was just one or two trees, you could maybe, you know, sort of give it a little bit of play.

[0:41:17] Voice 10: But it was a whole grove, not near anything that was on either part of a portion driveway.

[0:41:25] Voice 10: There were robin's nests up there, just alarmingly ignorant action.

[0:41:33] Voice 10: So I want to get into my notes and say that Canada and BC are under-legislated in regards to ecological protection.

[0:41:41] Voice 10: I think we all know that.

[0:41:42] Voice 10: there are many cracks in the fabric but people can and will take advantage of. It's like being

[0:41:48] Voice 10: pecked to death by a moth and I'll get to that later. For an alarming number of people it's still

[0:41:54] Voice 10: a man versus nature game and too many still don't appreciate or understand the powerful and

[0:42:00] Voice 10: stabilizing dynamics of trees and the positive effect they have on not just the air but the soil

[0:42:08] Voice 10: and the stability of the earth itself.

[0:42:12] Voice 10: The gratuitous cutting of trees and shrubs

[0:42:15] Voice 10: and indeed the whole matrix of understory must stop.

[0:42:20] Voice 10: The free will, long-lived private property

[0:42:23] Voice 10: and capitalism crowd are always going to push back

[0:42:26] Voice 10: on those who they see as tree hunters or green fascists.

[0:42:30] Voice 10: And it's a childish put down naturally.

[0:42:33] Voice 10: And I'm sick of it.

[0:42:36] Voice 10: Prioritizing the preservation of existing macroflora

[0:42:39] Voice 10: is very important to all of us the number of years it takes to get to the useful biochemical size of

[0:42:46] Voice 10: a 60 to 80 year old per is likely too long given the extremes that the seedlings and the toxins

[0:42:53] Voice 10: that might well visit them a strong mature tree will stand up much better to the extremes

[0:42:59] Voice 10: and i mentioned this because the last few years there's been uh oh we're going to have a we're

[0:43:05] Voice 10: going to plant two million trees or something like this and we're going to have all money

[0:43:08] Voice 10: You know, this is why I'm trying to draw the comparison to prevention.

[0:43:12] Voice 10: Let's keep what we've got.

[0:43:14] Voice 10: They're already doing a great job.

[0:43:15] Voice 10: I mean, it's like trying to compare a little, you know, tiny engine that you use with a

[0:43:22] Voice 10: balsam airplane when you're a kid compared to a V8 that's, you know, completely functioning.

[0:43:28] Voice 10: Preservation of existing trees is like preventative medicine as opposed to the acute remedy approach.

[0:43:33] Voice 10: approach. Technology supervalorized the silver bullet, rather than boring, old-fashioned

[0:43:40] Voice 10: preventative approaches. There's no magic pill here. So it is with trees. But with every

[0:43:47] Voice 10: senseless and by every act, by every senseless owner on Gabriola, we slip and slip and reduce

[0:43:55] Voice 10: the resilience threshold for any given area on our island. All these little pockets. There

[0:44:03] Voice 10: There must be a good, if not a great, reason for taking down trees, especially dug fir, the strongest softwood in the world.

[0:44:12] Voice 10: A lot of people don't know that when you test, from a mechanics point of view, physics, that dug fir is just as strong as an oak.

[0:44:23] Voice 10: So it's a very important tree, not just a softwood.

[0:44:27] Voice 10: and saying that their message is just so much neurotic natter that it should never be used

[0:44:32] Voice 10: as a rationale by any sentient being that it is. So if you're having a problem with tree, limb up,

[0:44:40] Voice 10: don't chop down. And I believe that we must break through the impasse at the functional

[0:44:45] Voice 10: and flexible legislation level that makes it an offense to cut down trees needlessly

[0:44:52] Voice 10: and gratuitously.

[0:44:54] Voice 10: Each little wacky adds the negative impact

[0:44:58] Voice 10: like being pecked to death by a moth.

[0:45:01] Voice 10: And that was an image

[0:45:03] Voice 10: that the great late baseball announcer

[0:45:06] Voice 10: Vin Scully used

[0:45:07] Voice 10: when describing a pitcher

[0:45:11] Voice 10: who had no fastball.

[0:45:14] Voice 10: He just kept,

[0:45:15] Voice 10: boop, boop,

[0:45:17] Voice 10: and he struck you off.

[0:45:19] Voice 10: Pecked to death by a moth.

[0:45:22] Voice 10: So that's my presentation.

[0:45:24] Voice 10: I presented something to these people a little while ago, which I'm also going to quickly read

[0:45:31] Voice 10: out. Thank you for indulging me. It was on behalf of the trees. It was only after I read it that

[0:45:40] Voice 10: a neighbor who happens to arrive here that I didn't know they were going to arrive, told me

[0:45:46] Voice 10: that I was channeling my inner Lorax. But anyways, here it is. Dear property owners on behalf of the

[0:45:51] Voice 10: trees. Please don't kill us unnecessarily. We've been here longer than you and are about the same

[0:45:58] Voice 10: age. We provide food for all kinds of birds. We filter contaminants out of the air, especially

[0:46:04] Voice 10: car pollution and harm act fumes. We hold tons and tons of water in our trunks and branches and

[0:46:11] Voice 10: release it slowly when needed. We store tons of excess carbon dioxide and produce life-giving

[0:46:17] Voice 10: oxygen in equally great amounts. We are a living system that requires your sensitivity and

[0:46:23] Voice 10: understanding for a central role in making property valuable as a carbon sink and for resale.

[0:46:31] Voice 10: Just because we're messy at times doesn't mean we should be killed. That so-called mess is used

[0:46:38] Voice 10: to create organic matter for our roots and to help the soil from overheating. We are at the

[0:46:43] Voice 10: the front line in the fight against climate catastrophe that is taking place right now

[0:46:48] Voice 10: in this world would be a tragic mistake to turn us into firewood. Please allow us, as

[0:46:54] Voice 10: a grove of furs, to continue our work cleaning the air, filtering toxins, and continuously

[0:47:00] Voice 10: producing food for birds and animals. We don't ask for much. In fact, we do all of this for

[0:47:06] Voice 10: free please let us be we pose no danger of falling down either our roots are interlocked strength in

[0:47:15] Voice 10: numbers we may bend but we do not break nobody wants us destroyed seriously reconsider your idea

[0:47:24] Voice 10: to cut us down you need us and we need you signed your concerned neighbors so the act is done they

[0:47:37] Voice 10: have been chopped down. There's walls and I'm rolling them out. And to say that the last few

[0:47:45] Voice 10: days has been awful for the neighborhood and changed the whole vibration is an understatement.

[0:47:54] Voice 10: And these were large and beautiful trees and it really has altered the ambience of it. And

[0:48:03] Voice 10: And to that end, just to wrap it up here, I know there's been many runs at how do we

[0:48:10] Voice 10: legislate this kind of thing?

[0:48:13] Voice 10: How do we put Pete into bylaw dog?

[0:48:18] Voice 10: Well, there's been lots of good minds running this one before I arrived.

[0:48:22] Voice 10: And I have had some experience of this kind of thing.

[0:48:28] Voice 10: I know how long it takes as a chairman of the Parks and Recreation Committee, Spelman

[0:48:33] Voice 10: Chief Armstrong. As the head of the Property Assessment Review Panel, creating legislation

[0:48:39] Voice 10: against abattoirs, devaluing things, I know how long it takes. I'm willing to work on a committee

[0:48:47] Voice 10: to make these things happen because this is dreadful, ignorant activity. And I think it

[0:48:57] Voice 10: It really destroys the reason we live on this island.

[0:49:04] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:49:05] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:49:06] Voice 13: Thank you, sir, for bringing your message and reminding us of the import of trees.

[0:49:11] Voice 13: Appreciate that.

[0:49:13] Voice 13: Sir, your name, please.

[0:49:14] Voice 9: So I'm Ron Dow, almost down the wheelbone.

[0:49:17] Voice 9: And in the last, we've only been here for seven years, but the last three years across our whole waterfront, they removed all the trees.

[0:49:26] Voice 9: and consequentially their shoreline is completely decaying from the king tides because they took

[0:49:34] Voice 9: their trees down and in turn we are neighbors of the ones that pour down all their trees and

[0:49:41] Voice 9: our sunroom is now to a point where you can't even see your computer screen anymore you must

[0:49:45] Voice 9: put blinds on but that's not what now we're concerned with is because all the trees have

[0:49:51] Voice 9: been removed on the shoreline all the trees to our right we sit on a corner with a whole

[0:49:56] Voice 9: bunch of trees in a nice long row and now i'm concerned about wind damage on my trees you know

[0:50:04] Voice 9: taking the trees down just like that you know clear cutting these trees and that they now put

[0:50:10] Voice 9: my trees at risk and that's what i'm concerned with and maybe they should be putting more

[0:50:17] Voice 9: emphasis on the tree cutters to say like well it's nesting season you know you gotta there's

[0:50:25] Voice 9: There's actually pileating woodpeckers up in the trees as well.

[0:50:29] Voice 9: But what they should be saying is that things leave them.

[0:50:32] Voice 9: We can't take all these trees down right now.

[0:50:34] Voice 9: Maybe a different time or something like that.

[0:50:37] Voice 9: And also saying, hey, you know, these are protecting your neighbor's trees as well.

[0:50:42] Voice 9: And putting it on the wood guys a little bit more because they should be telling their customers that, hey, you know, we can't do this.

[0:50:50] Voice 9: We can't clear cut your whole shoreline.

[0:50:52] Voice 9: on your your your shore is going to corrode and decay and and fall into the shore and you know

[0:50:58] Voice 9: maybe they do say this but i don't think so but the one that cut these trees down to our neighbor

[0:51:04] Voice 9: he basically said well you know they're looking at putting in an apple orchard well these people

[0:51:09] Voice 9: are in their 80s they're not putting in an apple orchard and even if they did they're not going to

[0:51:14] Voice 9: get a single apple before they're long gone so you know anyway that i i'm not uh i'm not so much

[0:51:23] Voice 9: about um i understand people do need to clear some trees to say put a vacant lot and build a house

[0:51:32] Voice 9: they have to

[0:51:32] Voice 1: clear some of the trees to do

[0:51:34] Voice 9: this i'm not

[0:51:35] Voice 9: against that i'm not against getting the

[0:51:37] Voice 9: trees out to make them less wind you know against the wind that they're going to blow over thin them

[0:51:44] Voice 9: out and stuff like that but i do agree that they shouldn't be just allowed to just cut any tree

[0:51:50] Voice 9: anywhere anytime there should be some kind of regulation to say what trees can come down which

[0:51:57] Voice 9: ones can

[0:51:57] Voice 13: well um thank you too for um your message uh also much appreciated and certainly uh susan

[0:52:05] Voice 13: and i were talking earlier about development permanent areas and of course that ties in

[0:52:09] Voice 13: and development permit area information bylaws.

[0:52:12] Voice 13: We are doing our OCP review here

[0:52:15] Voice 13: and it's certainly time to invest some thought

[0:52:18] Voice 13: into how we can address some of these

[0:52:19] Voice 4: important issues

[0:52:21] Voice 13: and be fair to everybody with respect to their properties.

[0:52:26] Voice 13: But indeed, it seems like it's gone on for too long.

[0:52:31] Voice 13: Sure.

[0:52:32] Voice 3: Well, we are in a climate catastrophe right now.

[0:52:35] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:52:36] Voice 3: And we know the best climate scientists in the world tell us the thing to stop doing is to stop cutting down forests.

[0:52:46] Voice 3: You can clear your lot to build a house, whatever you need to do.

[0:52:51] Voice 3: But when you cut down forests, you

[0:52:54] Voice 4: are

[0:52:55] Voice 3: adding to the emergency.

[0:52:57] Voice 3: And Douglas firs in particular are very drug tolerant.

[0:53:02] Voice 3: So it's a double tragedy.

[0:53:03] Voice 3: and

[0:53:04] Voice 9: we lost a lot of our

[0:53:05] Voice 9: seers

[0:53:06] Voice 9: I can't

[0:53:09] Voice 3: sympathize with you more

[0:53:10] Voice 3: I just find it appalling

[0:53:14] Voice 3: appalling that people

[0:53:16] Voice 3: are doing this and I'm just going to

[0:53:18] Voice 3: leave it at that

[0:53:18] Voice 16: so thank you for your message anybody else wish to

[0:53:22] Voice 16: address the local trust committee today

[0:53:26] Voice 16: okay I

[0:53:27] Voice 3: have an idea though

[0:53:27] Voice 3: because we do have you know

[0:53:29] Voice 3: road tours to

[0:53:30] Voice 3: the northern office that tell people

[0:53:34] Voice 3: you know how to

[0:53:35] Voice 3: we have some really really good brochures that tell people how to clear their land or how to

[0:53:41] Voice 3: develop it

[0:53:42] Voice 1: you know

[0:53:43] Voice 3: and i'm not sure because i read those brochures intimately i taught them

[0:53:49] Voice 3: i use them in the school i'm not sure if anywhere it says to limb up instead of cut down and i

[0:53:57] Voice 3: i'm friends with several people on the island who did limb up and you can hardly tell it it is

[0:54:03] Voice 3: beautiful their trees are standing they have lots of birds in the trees and they have the view that

[0:54:10] Voice 3: they want because they did a bit of limbing and they did not cut down an entire grove of trees

[0:54:16] Voice 3: i'm not sure if any of our educational brochures actually mentioned that well

[0:54:21] Voice 10: i've been i've been

[0:54:22] Voice 10: in my talks to garden clubs or with other people i mentioned that a lot and one of the really

[0:54:29] Voice 10: important things is you get more incidental moisture coming down to the roots you get more

[0:54:35] Voice 10: light that can tickle the bulbs or other shade loving plants that want to flower early in the

[0:54:42] Voice 10: spring and then once the sun gets up high enough

[0:54:44] Voice 10: they're protected so it is very important to limb

[0:54:47] Voice 10: up and not cut down thank

[0:54:49] Voice 7: you thank you

[0:54:50] Voice 10: for that great message

[0:54:51] Voice 7: a comment as well um and not putting

[0:54:54] Voice 7: being anybody out there but our neighbors are only here like they're only part-time residents

[0:54:59] Voice 7: so which makes it worse because they might be here three months out of the whole year

[0:55:04] Voice 7: yeah

[0:55:05] Voice 13: yeah maybe

[0:55:07] Voice 7: you know

[0:55:08] Voice 13: it's better however to talk to the issues rather than identify individuals

[0:55:12] Voice 13: no yes we're not but

[0:55:14] Voice 7: regardless you know like i had some vegetable gardens that i had put in

[0:55:18] Voice 7: kayaks so i've had to move them because they're just burning in the sunshine now it's just you

[0:55:24] Voice 13: know it

[0:55:24] Voice 13: changes the landscape yeah i have the same issue with the neighbors where i live as well

[0:55:31] Voice 13: it's not uncommon and it's unfortunate so if that's it then i'll continue on with the agenda

[0:55:38] Voice 13: thank you very much honest honestly we appreciate your message um and we'll see what can be done

[0:55:44] Voice 13: local trust committee minutes is the next item here we have uh the minutes dated february 23rd

[0:55:52] Voice 13: are here for adoption um and included in that is the gabriella preliminary official

[0:55:58] Voice 13: plan project kickoff presentation that's the

[0:56:01] Voice 13: slideshow that we saw um uh last week that

[0:56:05] Voice 13: started off our conversation so with respect to the minutes are there any changes to the minute

[0:56:09] Voice 3: A couple

[0:56:11] Voice 3: of typos on page four of the minutes.

[0:56:24] Voice 14: Under

[0:56:25] Voice 3: work done before, about halfway down, one of the bullets is aquifer monitoring reports.

[0:56:30] Voice 3: And this is just a spelling mistake.

[0:56:32] Voice 3: It's A-Q-U-I-F-E-R.

[0:56:35] Voice 3: are

[0:56:35] Voice 14: and then

[0:56:37] Voice 3: the other one again same page under the heading who do we need to talk to

[0:56:45] Voice 3: the first bullet should be 52 organizations who are part of that's it

[0:56:55] Voice 14: okay great did you get those

[0:56:57] Voice 3: and did

[0:56:58] Voice 13: you by chance email those to

[0:57:00] Voice 3: it's

[0:57:01] Voice 13: a good idea practice to email them in advance

[0:57:05] Voice 12: especially if they end up being extensions yeah

[0:57:08] Voice 3: i just wanted to thank the recorder it's so good

[0:57:11] Voice 3: to have some

[0:57:12] Voice 5: of the specifics

[0:57:12] Voice 3: like yeah i just noticed there was a few things that really stood

[0:57:16] Voice 3: out to me and it was like you really captured the the tone of the meeting so thank you we're

[0:57:22] Voice 3: gonna miss you but we know it'll the spirit will pass on with this one that's forces strong with

[0:57:27] Voice 3: the chloe straw my tissue paper

[0:57:31] Voice 14: okay

[0:57:31] Voice 3: so then

[0:57:40] Voice 13: i'm going to take it then that the local trust committee

[0:57:43] Voice 13: meeting minutes of february the 28th be adopted as amended yes by general concern

[0:57:49] Voice 13: um we don't have any ascending resolutions today nor do we have any advisory planning

[0:57:54] Voice 13: planning commission minutes today yeah

[0:58:00] Voice 14: that's right sorry I misread

[0:58:02] Voice 13: that that's section 26

[0:58:03] Voice 13: resolution without meeting and advisory planning no minutes and so business arising uh from the

[0:58:08] Voice 13: previous set of minutes um essentially the follow-up action list um I'll just ask staff

[0:58:16] Voice 13: if that's up to date if there's any new information you need to add otherwise we'll

[0:58:21] Voice 13: just ask trustees if they have any questions about any of the items on the follow-up action list

[0:58:25] Voice 13: but

[0:58:26] Voice 3: i do either a couple of things

[0:58:35] Voice 5: okay

[0:58:40] Voice 3: no one of those you already answered for me and that was the

[0:58:43] Voice 3: proposed flight path changes and i know that letter is in the works

[0:58:47] Voice 3: so you've already

[0:58:48] Voice 4: answered that and um i think that's i think

[0:58:54] Voice 6: that's it i think

[0:58:56] Voice 4: i just had one

[0:58:57] Voice 3: one quick question over to you uh number three the uh heritage register sort of background

[0:59:03] Voice 3: discussion i just wondered if we know approximately where that is that just in the workflow

[0:59:09] Voice 3: i know steven's working on it or our regional planning manager oh okay yeah

[0:59:16] Voice 16: yeah she's got her

[0:59:17] Voice 16: i'm

[0:59:18] Voice 3: just still reading how this all works okay sorry oh yeah

[0:59:22] Voice 3: thanks for your patience because

[0:59:23] Voice 3: we've been shuffling staffing resources around there is a lot that's sort of on hold and being

[0:59:29] Voice 3: transferred to other staff so yeah no

[0:59:35] Voice 3: rush just wondered okay thank you no

[0:59:38] Voice 13: further questions on

[0:59:38] Voice 13: follow-up action so let's bring this application referrals we don't have any on our agenda today

[0:59:43] Voice 13: local dog trust committee project however is the ecological protection zone we have a staff report

[0:59:51] Voice 13: report here. And it took me a while to grasp what was going on here, but I think I now understand it.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: out legacy left over from the previous LTC and was fairly advanced and then now we're just

[1:00:06] Voice 13: revisiting some amendments so I'll go to staff to ask you to address that and then see if there's

[1:00:10] Voice 13: any questions or any additional remarks or amendments from the current trustees thank you

[1:00:16] Voice 3: chair through the chair the Stephen Bauer planner two in the northern office is going to be presenting

[1:00:21] Voice 3: the report and he's joining through zoom so you can hear him now okay great hello Stephen thank

[1:00:26] Voice 3: you for joining

[1:00:27] Voice 2: us hi good morning trustees um yeah so i can i can all introduce the report here

[1:00:33] Voice 2: and then uh then if there's questions or comments then i can uh we can talk after as well um but the

[1:00:39] Voice 2: gabriola ecological protection zone project is intended to create a new conservation type zone

[1:00:45] Voice 2: for gabriola that would apply to elder cedar nature reserve initially and potentially other

[1:00:52] Voice 2: other properties in the future and in september of last year the ltc gave first reading the bylaw

[1:00:57] Voice 2: number 313 and requested staff include a definition of passive recreation in the bylaw

[1:01:04] Voice 2: so we've made that addition of that definition and also identified a number of other recommended

[1:01:11] Voice 2: changes including changing the zone so it wouldn't be drafted as a site-specific zone

[1:01:16] Voice 2: correcting an existing formatting error in the Gatorola land use bylaw,

[1:01:21] Voice 2: updating the numbering in the land use bylaw to reflect the new zone,

[1:01:25] Voice 2: and correcting some of the formatting in the proposed bylaw as well.

[1:01:29] Voice 2: And that passive recreation term, it's a permitted use in the proposed zone, but it's also a term

[1:01:37] Voice 2: that's used in the passive recreation zone, which is an existing zone in the land use bylaw. And so

[1:01:44] Voice 2: And so once the staff report was submitted, a comment was received noting some concern

[1:01:48] Voice 2: about the implications of that definition on the existing passive recreation zone, which

[1:01:58] Voice 2: applies to some parks on Gabriola and how it would impact the use of electric bicycles

[1:02:04] Voice 2: in those parks.

[1:02:05] Voice 2: And so staff prepared an alternative definition for the LTC to consider if they'd like.

[1:02:11] Voice 2: and then it would be up to property owners or park operators to restrict the use of e-bikes

[1:02:17] Voice 2: in an ecological reserve say if they wanted to still and one other typo as well I did

[1:02:25] Voice 2: notice and I've updated and I can share my screen here to to show just some numbering that I noticed

[1:02:32] Voice 2: was was off in the zone as it's presented in attachment three of the staff report

[1:02:38] Voice 2: And so the staff are recommending that the LTC rescind first reading of bylaw number 313, give first reading to the revised version of bylaw number 313, and request staff to refer the bylaw to the Islands Trust Conservancy and to the Synonymic First Nation.

[1:02:56] Voice 2: And just a note about giving first reading again if the LTC does do that.

[1:03:02] Voice 2: Previously, the LTC did waive or gave notice that they would not hold a public hearing for this bylaw.

[1:03:10] Voice 2: But if the first reading is rescinded and given today to the revised version of the bylaw, a public hearing would be required.

[1:03:18] Voice 2: And so the staff report does include a timeline kind of outlining the major steps that approximately when they can occur.

[1:03:27] Voice 2: I'll leave it there.

[1:03:28] Voice 13: OK, very good. Thank you very much.

[1:03:30] Voice 13: um trustees do you have any questions or additional comments um

[1:03:34] Voice 3: well i i received

[1:03:37] Voice 3: comments from the public on this on i think their concerns were more about they've they

[1:03:44] Voice 3: didn't want to preclude e-bikes

[1:03:46] Voice 6: in

[1:03:48] Voice 3: such zones or that it would limit because the parks are

[1:03:52] Voice 3: connected by corridor yeah those that are navigating by e-bike wouldn't be able to

[1:03:58] Voice 3: that would be illegal to then go on the elder cedar or any other proposed right so that i think

[1:04:04] Voice 3: the person was just did some yeah

[1:04:07] Voice 4: the same email was

[1:04:08] Voice 3: asking that this be referred to the rdn and

[1:04:10] Voice 3: to posac for comment as well that's probably a good idea i myself would prefer no bikes in any

[1:04:20] Voice 3: ecological protected area at all just no bikes

[1:04:24] Voice 4: no

[1:04:24] Voice 3: dogs no bikes no horses um but i understand

[1:04:27] Voice 3: down the corridor concern like if you're you know try using your bike to get around the island and

[1:04:31] Voice 3: you have to pop into one of these places um i personally would prefer you just left your bike

[1:04:41] Voice 3: on the trail or something i don't i don't i don't really know what the best solution to that is

[1:04:47] Voice 3: so perhaps we could refer it also to posac yeah okay so

[1:04:54] Voice 3: maybe just

[1:04:55] Voice 13: let me be clear from my own

[1:04:57] Voice 13: understanding that you're interested in uh first reading and expanding the referrals from uh to

[1:05:06] Voice 13: include the region so i

[1:05:08] Voice 3: yeah itc regional district and i know posac and specifically the posac

[1:05:13] Voice 3: committee i think would be good yeah yeah i think so

[1:05:16] Voice 12: do you have any of your own comments

[1:05:18] Voice 3: saying that i agree that that some at least we need to have the input it seems important to

[1:05:25] Voice 3: people and no matter what decision was made is ultimately made we want to make sure that

[1:05:31] Voice 3: people who are users of the park even if it is an ecological zone or yeah have their say

[1:05:39] Voice 13: well this is early stage right and so first reading will lead to public hearing we'll

[1:05:44] Voice 13: certainly hear more feedback then right and

[1:05:46] Voice 13: certainly there'll be room for more amendments

[1:05:48] Voice 13: as we advance this but others say you know my experience about the types and uses of

[1:05:54] Voice 13: of trails and within parkland and elsewhere there's often this debate it's a struggle to

[1:06:02] Voice 13: determine the appropriateness of horses or bicycles or otherwise and e-bikes are an interesting

[1:06:09] Voice 13: phenomena i'm an e-bike user and i get sometimes i ride my e-bike to the fire hall on an emergency

[1:06:16] Voice 13: call and i'll

[1:06:17] Voice 13: tell you i can hit 40 miles an hour

[1:06:19] Voice 13: and so you know i

[1:06:23] Voice 13: guess if we are permitted

[1:06:25] Voice 13: e-bikes we also have to consider speed limits

[1:06:28] Voice 6: but

[1:06:29] Voice 13: those are just my own personal thoughts on that

[1:06:31] Voice 13: it's a

[1:06:32] Voice 13: it's a big spectrum of conversation horse riding is often considered to be appropriate use

[1:06:39] Voice 13: but indeed it's a large animal and

[1:06:41] Voice 3: it changes the ecosystem and

[1:06:43] Voice 12: other animals on the trail system

[1:06:45] Voice 12: yeah and

[1:06:46] Voice 12: people and stuff it's

[1:06:48] Voice 3: it's true there's a lot to balance well i think actually you're

[1:06:52] Voice 3: right because now it does need to go to public hearing um yeah it will happen we will there will

[1:06:56] Voice 3: be opportunity for that okay that's probably our best option i'm i am so excited that this is

[1:07:03] Voice 3: going ahead

[1:07:04] Voice 3: because this is actually something that came from myself and deborah five years ago

[1:07:09] Voice 3: the previous trust committee and i'm really excited that it is not just going to be a site

[1:07:16] Voice 3: specific zone the whole point of us bringing it to the attention of the previous trust committee

[1:07:21] Voice 3: was to have a holding zone for precious areas

[1:07:25] Voice 3: that can be just saved for conservation

[1:07:29] Voice 3: and not any kind of active recreation.

[1:07:32] Voice 3: We have lots of active recreation places on Gabriela.

[1:07:36] Voice 3: So I'm really excited about that.

[1:07:38] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:07:39] Voice 13: So it sounds then like sending out the referrals,

[1:07:42] Voice 13: we would likely receive that referral information

[1:07:45] Voice 13: before the public hearing.

[1:07:46] Voice 13: So we have that and the public can digest that.

[1:07:49] Voice 13: Anything that comes back to them?

[1:07:51] Voice 13: Yeah.

[1:07:51] Voice 13: so that seems like a good path yeah i just want to be clear for a minute actually because i realized

[1:07:55] Voice 13: be careful what i say when i'm hitting 45 miles per hour

[1:07:59] Voice 13: on my e-bike i'm on a public roadway

[1:08:01] Voice 13: i'm not on a trail

[1:08:15] Voice 13: okay so therefore there's some uh uh recommended motions here one of which of course is for sin

[1:08:21] Voice 13: first reading on the on the first go around and then and then start this off again well why don't

[1:08:26] Voice 3: we take turns with each of those three questions and

[1:08:29] Voice 3: i'll start with the first one i move that the

[1:08:33] Voice 3: gabrielle island local trust committee rescind first reading of bylaw number 313 cited as

[1:08:39] Voice 3: gabrielle island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number 1 2022 moved

[1:08:47] Voice 13: to a second second by

[1:08:48] Voice 13: by Toby Elliott.

[1:08:50] Voice 13: And any further discussion?

[1:08:52] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[1:08:53] Voice 13: So that carries unanimously, thank you.

[1:08:56] Voice 13: The second motion.

[1:08:57] Voice 13: And I

[1:08:57] Voice 3: move, feels like the three musketeers

[1:09:00] Voice 3: or something, it's really weird.

[1:09:01] Voice 3: That the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[1:09:03] Voice 3: Draft By-law Number 313,

[1:09:05] Voice 3: cited as Gabriela Island Land Use By-law 1999,

[1:09:09] Voice 3: Amendment Number 1, 2022, as shown in Tatman 3,

[1:09:12] Voice 3: the staff report dated March 30th, 2023,

[1:09:15] Voice 3: be read a first time.

[1:09:16] Voice 3: okay

[1:09:16] Voice 13: so before that second um son do you have something to bring to our attention i just wanted

[1:09:22] Voice 3: to let steven jump in if um there was a change to attachment three that you might want to consider

[1:09:29] Voice 3: that he's discussed is the possible massaging of the definition of passive recreation right

[1:09:35] Voice 3: so would you like to consider that before you make this resolution is that correct steven

[1:09:41] Voice 3: yeah

[1:09:42] Voice 2: there's two yeah that's right that was one change or possible change you could make and

[1:09:46] Voice 2: another was just a typo and I can if I can share my screen Sonia I'll have it up now

[1:09:52] Voice 2: no okay

[1:09:54] Voice 3: oh sorry so

[1:09:58] Voice 2: I think are you

[1:09:59] Voice 2: seeing my word document now are you able to see my shared

[1:10:03] Voice 2: no

[1:10:03] Voice 3: so

[1:10:05] Voice 2: maybe read it out if you don't

[1:10:06] Voice 3: yeah just read it out so

[1:10:08] Voice 13: under deep point four point

[1:10:12] Voice 13: Yeah, I'll let you drive. Just tell

[1:10:14] Voice 2: us where it

[1:10:15] Voice 13: is and what you're

[1:10:15] Voice 2: referring to.

[1:10:17] Voice 2: So it's under Section 1.6 of Attachment 3, where the definition of passive recreation is.

[1:10:23] Voice 2: And if you can see what the existing one is, I'll read it out in its entirety.

[1:10:27] Voice 13: Can you

[1:10:28] Voice 13: tell us what page number that is?

[1:10:30] Voice 3: 41.

[1:10:31] Voice 2: 41,

[1:10:32] Voice 3: I'm being told.

[1:10:38] Voice 3: Can you say that

[1:10:39] Voice 2: section again, please?

[1:10:41] Voice 2: section it would be section 1.6 of attachment three of the staff report sorry i'm not able

[1:10:46] Voice 2: to see that attachment

[1:10:49] Voice 13: three mistake

[1:10:51] Voice 3: here lower area why do i have block coverage limitations yeah

[1:10:57] Voice 13: let's stay focused on where he's trying to take us at the moment we can pick that up

[1:11:02] Voice 13: i'm just looking for attachment three schedule two attachment three then starts on page 53 of our

[1:11:12] Voice 13: packet here it is and then there's the

[1:11:15] Voice 13: definitions under 1.6 okay 1.6 yes i'm there so that's on page

[1:11:22] Voice 13: 55 it starts okay yeah

[1:11:24] Voice 4: go

[1:11:25] Voice 2: ahead so so in your i have an alternate uh definition of passive

[1:11:30] Voice 2: recreation which is different from what you're looking at then uh so passive recreation

[1:11:35] Voice 2: is

[1:11:36] Voice 2: non-motorized outdoor recreation and here's where it's different or the use of a mobility aid

[1:11:42] Voice 2: or motor-assisted cycle, as defined in the Motor Vehicle Act,

[1:11:46] Voice 2: that creates the opportunity to have a high degree of interaction

[1:11:49] Voice 2: with the natural environment and has minimal impact on land,

[1:11:53] Voice 2: water, or other resources.

[1:11:55] Voice 2: Passive recreation requires no installation of equipment

[1:11:57] Voice 2: or facilities except for trails and associated improvements.

[1:12:04] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:12:06] Voice 6: So, trustees, do you understand that?

[1:12:08] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:12:09] Voice 3: It's taken me a little bit.

[1:12:10] Voice 3: Stephen, can you blow up your screen a little bit more,

[1:12:13] Voice 3: just so the text is a little bit more visible?

[1:12:14] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:12:15] Voice 3: oh

[1:12:15] Voice 13: that's good is that better now so that's inserting that group of words following a

[1:12:21] Voice 13: recreation and so Stefan does that require us to make an amendment here yeah

[1:12:31] Voice 2: so you have rescinded

[1:12:32] Voice 2: first reading yes and so now you have a draft bylaw that you could amend yes and

[1:12:40] Voice 13: you're saying

[1:12:41] Voice 13: saying that we need to make this additional amendment it's

[1:12:45] Voice 2: it's an option that would address

[1:12:47] Voice 2: that um the e-bite consideration i understand okay

[1:12:54] Voice 4: but

[1:12:56] Voice 13: we could also amend this when we hear

[1:12:58] Voice 13: back from the rdn and other and public care as well i

[1:13:02] Voice 3: i would tend to think that might be good

[1:13:04] Voice 3: to hold these words in advance um for second third reading well

[1:13:10] Voice 14: first first reading yeah

[1:13:12] Voice 3: And then a second reading we would

[1:13:14] Voice 14: like to make, probably.

[1:13:16] Voice 3: Because I'm happy with the wording as it stands,

[1:13:18] Voice 3: but I certainly think it could be useful

[1:13:21] Voice 3: after we hear back from the public.

[1:13:23] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:13:26] Voice 4: Yeah, I agree.

[1:13:27] Voice 2: So do you understand that, Stefan?

[1:13:30] Voice 2: Yeah, yeah, that sounds like you just leave it

[1:13:32] Voice 2: as it is in the staff report then.

[1:13:36] Voice 2: And there's one other typo I wanted to point out,

[1:13:40] Voice 2: which is to do with the numbering here and this is under 1.5 and specifically

[1:13:48] Voice 2: if you look in the staff report on attachment 3 this probably reads I

[1:13:53] Voice 2: believe it reads D.1.4.1 D.1.4.2 and D.1.4.3 but that should be as

[1:14:03] Voice 2: it's as it's shown which you might not be able to see my screen I realized but

[1:14:07] Voice 2: d 4.4.1 d 4.4.2 so that's

[1:14:13] Voice 13: just a numbering um i presume

[1:14:15] Voice 13: that you would just correct that we don't

[1:14:17] Voice 13: need to make an amendment so

[1:14:18] Voice 3: that's just pointing out that's going to be included if you pass the

[1:14:22] Voice 3: next resolution in the staff report the second one but so that we don't look like we're just

[1:14:28] Voice 3: making things up yeah that you're aware that change will also appear yeah

[1:14:32] Voice 16: even though it's

[1:14:32] Voice 3: not in the pocket yeah yes

[1:14:34] Voice 13: appreciate you flag thank

[1:14:36] Voice 3: you okay

[1:14:37] Voice 13: so then um at this juncture with

[1:14:41] Voice 13: the conversation that we've had i think we're content with the motion that trustee yates has

[1:14:46] Voice 13: put on the floor well elliot trustee

[1:14:48] Voice 3: elliot put the second one on the floor

[1:14:50] Voice 13: oh sorry that's right

[1:14:51] Voice 13: so trustee elliot put that on the floor so then if we're okay with that i'm looking for a nod to

[1:14:56] Voice 13: the staff then i'll look for a seconder for them okay so susan yates thank you and um any further

[1:15:02] Voice 13: the discussion all those in favor that carries and there's a third motion there no no you don't

[1:15:09] Voice 13: get the

[1:15:09] Voice 12: boxes i just i just i

[1:15:11] Voice 3: move that the gabriella island local trust committee requests

[1:15:14] Voice 3: staff to refer bylaw number 313 cited as gabriella island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one

[1:15:22] Voice 3: 2022 to the islands trust conservancy board as the name of first nation for comment

[1:15:29] Voice 3: and

[1:15:30] Voice 13: then I'm a regional

[1:15:31] Voice 13: and

[1:15:32] Voice 3: also to our

[1:15:36] Voice 3: parks and open spaces advisory

[1:15:38] Voice 3: committee of the

[1:15:40] Voice 3: regional district

[1:15:40] Voice 13: so

[1:15:41] Voice 3: then that's moved

[1:15:44] Voice 13: any concerns

[1:15:45] Voice 13: and do I

[1:15:46] Voice 4: have a seconder

[1:15:47] Voice 13: thank you

[1:15:49] Voice 13: and any further discussion

[1:15:51] Voice 13: all those in favor

[1:15:52] Voice 13: that too carries unanimously

[1:15:54] Voice 4: and

[1:15:55] Voice 13: thank you to planner Stephen

[1:15:57] Voice 13: even yeah

[1:15:58] Voice 4: um

[1:15:59] Voice 13: so sorry for the work on this item then we will look forward to seeing it come back

[1:16:04] Voice 13: to us and uh we'll look forward to scheduling a public hearing do we need to do anything with

[1:16:08] Voice 13: respect to public hearing or you're just gonna figure it out awesome like it all right so a new

[1:16:15] Voice 13: item which was added not included on the public agenda originally at 8.2 is um the ocp review

[1:16:21] Voice 13: review we're just looking for a verbal update on where we're at what we might expect I presume

[1:16:28] Voice 3: yeah and I have a specific question about where the business case is at since our budget was

[1:16:34] Voice 3: passed I just wanted to know we're moving on are

[1:16:37] Voice 13: you prepared to answer any of that or is that up

[1:16:39] Voice 13: to Renee

[1:16:40] Voice 3: we've called in Marissa Chadwick she's joined through zoom so look at that he's the

[1:16:44] Voice 3: planner who was assigned to your major project so she's here to help you through this discussion

[1:16:51] Voice 3: Okay,

[1:16:51] Voice 13: so we can get Nerissa on screen, that'd be great.

[1:16:54] Voice 13: I see a little picture of her, Stefan, Steven, maybe.

[1:16:58] Voice 3: You can pin her.

[1:17:00] Voice 15: Can I pin her?

[1:17:01] Voice 3: Yep, you can pin her so that she's on

[1:17:04] Voice 14: the big screen.

[1:17:08] Voice 14: Seems like something, maybe

[1:17:09] Voice 14: I won't go there.

[1:17:13] Voice 15: Bear with me a second while I look for that.

[1:17:16] Voice 13: Right there, there you go.

[1:17:19] Voice 13: Nerissa, I can see you live.

[1:17:20] Voice 13: Hi. Over to you with respect to a verbal report and any comments that the trustees

[1:17:32] Voice 13: have offered and any other questions they may come up. Go ahead.

[1:17:39] Voice 1: So, as you know, I'm working on this project as part of the regional planning team.

[1:17:46] Voice 1: And as a member of the regional planning team, I have a number of different assignments

[1:17:52] Voice 1: I'm also the I'm also the planner for Maine Island. So the sequences sequencing my work is a very important thing to do in order to make sure that I can get the number of things done appropriately.

[1:18:11] Voice 1: So, this project, the OCP review project is scheduled to begin in April. So, as such, I haven't given any, I haven't really spent any time on the project to date, except for being part of the initial discussion that was had with the community about a month ago.

[1:18:35] Voice 1: um and i and that was um yeah so so the answer to uh to trustee elliott's uh question around

[1:18:43] Voice 1: business cases i haven't um turned my my mind to the project at all yet um because the project

[1:18:51] Voice 1: is to begin in the new fiscal which happened to be april 1st so okay

[1:18:57] Voice 3: thank you i'm just still

[1:18:58] Voice 3: trying to understand timelines so forgive me if i dump the gun there um but included in that

[1:19:03] Voice 3: project charter would presumably be um well it's obviously engagement with first nations

[1:19:09] Voice 3: and once the project charter comes to us we discuss it and approve it or does that get

[1:19:14] Voice 3: referred to the apcs no

[1:19:16] Voice 13: it'll come to us comes

[1:19:18] Voice 1: to us first it'll

[1:19:18] Voice 13: come to us first right yeah

[1:19:20] Voice 13: and

[1:19:21] Voice 1: i mean my my question is um to the ltc is um um i think like my feeling is that um

[1:19:31] Voice 1: there are a number of ways to go about this project.

[1:19:36] Voice 1: So I would think that the next step would actually be

[1:19:40] Voice 1: to have a discussion with the LTC

[1:19:42] Voice 1: about how they want to move forward with the project

[1:19:45] Voice 1: before we move to a business case.

[1:19:47] Voice 1: At this point, I don't know what to put into the

[1:19:49] Voice 3: business case.

[1:19:52] Voice 3: I have a thought on that.

[1:19:54] Voice 3: It's my thought.

[1:19:56] Voice 3: What I would like to know before we start really getting into it

[1:19:59] Voice 3: is what resources do we have already on hand

[1:20:05] Voice 3: that we will be using to help us?

[1:20:09] Voice 3: So one of them, maybe the most important one in my mind

[1:20:12] Voice 3: is how far along are we with groundwater mapping?

[1:20:19] Voice 3: Exactly how far are we?

[1:20:21] Voice 3: What do we need?

[1:20:22] Voice 3: What more do we need to determine future groundwater resources?

[1:20:29] Voice 3: or even present groundwater

[1:20:31] Voice 3: because those limitations are a driver

[1:20:36] Voice 3: for any work that we do, I think.

[1:20:39] Voice 3: So I don't want to start the process

[1:20:42] Voice 3: without knowing what information we already have

[1:20:45] Voice 3: that will be useful

[1:20:47] Voice 3: and what information are we lacking

[1:20:50] Voice 3: as far as environmental basic, really.

[1:20:58] Voice 3: Because, I mean, I know that we don't,

[1:21:00] Voice 3: we hardly have any development permit areas that's one thing that really really concerns me

[1:21:06] Voice 3: but but but i can see that but what i'm not clear on is for example how much groundwater

[1:21:13] Voice 3: mapping do we still need to do and what would it take to get it finished um

[1:21:20] Voice 4: i

[1:21:21] Voice 1: can answer that

[1:21:23] Voice 1: question um so right now um the the the work on the um the groundwater aquifer mapping has been

[1:21:37] Voice 1: completed for the northern islands that's what was done in the last year and so what that what

[1:21:43] Voice 1: that mapping does is it identifies supply, so it identifies how the water, where the water is

[1:21:56] Voice 1: absorbed, where it's retained, the areas that are critical for that sort of absorption and

[1:22:08] Voice 1: and retention of water.

[1:22:10] Voice 1: And so that kind of data is the data that we're using

[1:22:14] Voice 1: on North Pendon and Galliano right now

[1:22:17] Voice 1: to identify the development permit areas

[1:22:21] Voice 1: to protect the critical aquifers.

[1:22:25] Voice 1: So in that case, we've identified those areas

[1:22:29] Voice 1: that need to be protected in order to ensure

[1:22:33] Voice 1: that the water that hits the island

[1:22:38] Voice 1: will absorb in into those places where it you know the best places right all those those critical

[1:22:44] Voice 1: areas um what the islands in the south have is they also have a rudimentary um groundwater

[1:22:58] Voice 1: assessment they have rudimentary groundwater assessment data which looks at the supply piece

[1:23:04] Voice 1: and the aquifer, you know, how much water is coming,

[1:23:10] Voice 1: how much water is hitting the islands,

[1:23:12] Voice 1: how much water is being absorbed.

[1:23:14] Voice 1: It also looks at the demand part.

[1:23:17] Voice 1: So it looks at mostly based on water licenses

[1:23:20] Voice 1: and, you know, what the potential maximum withdrawal

[1:23:26] Voice 1: would be based on zoning.

[1:23:30] Voice 6: So

[1:23:31] Voice 1: that analysis we don't have for the north.

[1:23:34] Voice 1: we don't have so we don't have the analysis of um you know how much water is hitting the island and

[1:23:40] Voice 1: then how much is potentially uh you know what's that maximum potential of use we don't have that

[1:23:46] Voice 1: so that that's the um so that's the groundwater um uh availability assessments and that's what i

[1:23:54] Voice 1: have been uh like that's what we need that's what

[1:23:58] Voice 1: that's what we absolutely need um before like to

[1:24:03] Voice 1: To be able to be, so in the case of Main Island,

[1:24:08] Voice 1: I was able to use those groundwater availability assessments

[1:24:13] Voice 1: to identify the areas that were most vulnerable

[1:24:17] Voice 1: in terms of impact to water for any kind of density

[1:24:22] Voice 1: or intensity of increased density or intensity of use.

[1:24:27] Voice 1: And that enabled us to identify areas

[1:24:29] Voice 1: is that would be less harmed if additional units were introduced and that's what the

[1:24:38] Voice 1: flex housing project was, that was a key part to identifying what we have now on

[1:24:43] Voice 1: main island as pilot areas for additional units within a maximum combined square footage. So

[1:24:53] Voice 1: that particular analysis is what would be needed to ensure that if you're making decisions around

[1:24:59] Voice 1: around increased density intensity of land use

[1:25:04] Voice 1: that you are understanding the potential impact.

[1:25:09] Voice 1: And it's tricky.

[1:25:10] Voice 1: And because science can be looked at on all scales,

[1:25:20] Voice 1: what we have in the South is basically order of magnitude.

[1:25:24] Voice 1: So it's more about understanding where the least impact

[1:25:28] Voice 1: impact would be in comparison to the others. And so that's what I'm hoping we can, where we can

[1:25:32] Voice 1: get to. And what would that take? It would take, you know, we would need at least, so I, again,

[1:25:42] Voice 1: I'm not a scientist and I don't, I don't understand the details of the work and the costs, but I have

[1:25:48] Voice 1: had some conversation with, with, with our freshwater, senior freshwater specialist,

[1:25:56] Voice 1: list um william um shoba and uh because i was just wanting a ballpark uh idea of cost and so

[1:26:05] Voice 1: it would cost he says minimum like probably about fifty thousand dollars to do that analysis um

[1:26:12] Voice 1: and we have been trying to see whether we can get funding from um the recent uh um watershed

[1:26:22] Voice 1: funding from the province that we were able to tap into previously but um and what we were looking at

[1:26:28] Voice 1: is i mean there's for those projects in the north that are looking at housing uh we were sort of

[1:26:33] Voice 1: earmarked we were sort of focusing on uh you know gabriel denman hornby um as kind of the ones that

[1:26:40] Voice 1: are in sort of immediate need of those of that analysis um so unfortunately um we're not eligible

[1:26:47] Voice 1: for that funding, because the program's focused on Indigenous-led projects right now. There may

[1:26:53] Voice 1: be another round next year that may be different, but that's really hard to tell. So, that's

[1:27:00] Voice 1: basically what's needed. It doesn't mean to say that you can't begin to have discussions about,

[1:27:07] Voice 1: about, you know, related to the OCP discussions about, you know, communities, community interests

[1:27:21] Voice 1: and identifying what, you know, what the OCP can do. Like some of the higher level OCP policies

[1:27:30] Voice 1: could still be could still be written like again I'm sort of thinking to the project I've got with

[1:27:40] Voice 1: main island in terms of housing and the kinds of like there's a what I've introduced are ideas

[1:27:47] Voice 1: related to increasing the ability for additional housing but what the OCP will also the language

[1:27:56] Voice 1: that in the language that i will be encouraging in there as well is is to acknowledge the need

[1:28:02] Voice 1: to have an understanding of the impact so um so i guess in summary i think the uh i think

[1:28:13] Voice 1: absolutely i agree with you um um trustee yates that understanding that is critical it needs to

[1:28:20] Voice 1: to be part of your business plan moving forward for your OCP? Absolutely. It's a critical part

[1:28:27] Voice 1: of that.

[1:28:27] Voice 3: That's actually my main, my main, I was going to get to that, Nerissa. Thank you so much,

[1:28:32] Voice 3: because that was my next question is, we need to ask council for the next part of our business plan

[1:28:39] Voice 3: for enough money, $50,000 to do that study. I cannot imagine going very far with an OCP

[1:28:48] Voice 3: review without having that basic knowledge of groundwater availability and requirements.

[1:28:55] Voice 3: I just, I really think that is so essential. So

[1:29:00] Voice 3: thank you. I really appreciate your explanation

[1:29:02] Voice 3: there.

[1:29:05] Voice 16: Yeah, maybe I'm just going to provide

[1:29:10] Voice 13: an opportunity to refocus because I want to respect

[1:29:13] Voice 13: that Narissa has not had an opportunity to think about this and rightfully so because she's

[1:29:18] Voice 13: conducting work that is in stream already and indeed the the intention of this project was

[1:29:25] Voice 13: to begin April 1st and so I really actually appreciate it's amazing to hear Nerissa speak

[1:29:30] Voice 13: and that she's got feet in several ponds of water and that's a little bit of a joke there

[1:29:36] Voice 13: but it's very knowledgeable and obviously able to draw upon other areas of work that she's involved

[1:29:43] Voice 13: and to assist us and support us in going forward.

[1:29:46] Voice 13: But I think that what Nerissa started to say,

[1:29:48] Voice 13: correct me if I'm wrong,

[1:29:49] Voice 13: is that what you are anticipating doing

[1:29:52] Voice 13: is the next step is having a conversation here at the LTC

[1:29:55] Voice 13: to talk about what a charter looks like,

[1:29:58] Voice 13: to talk about what they expect.

[1:30:00] Voice 13: are and I actually reflect on the slideshow that was in our minutes from the previous meeting

[1:30:05] Voice 13: we want to see if those questions were answered and whether there's still gaps and we have

[1:30:09] Voice 13: information and we concur with what we heard or not and all that sort of thing to start this I

[1:30:15] Voice 13: know we're all excited about wanting to get this going but it is a process and indeed what Susan

[1:30:21] Voice 13: has done there is wanting to get into when we're starting to talk about funding for this in the

[1:30:28] Voice 13: the next budget which we've only just adopted a current budget but you're absolutely right

[1:30:33] Voice 13: and so i think that that will come to us in a future report um after you've got a chance to

[1:30:40] Voice 13: crack the book on this one and figure out where we're going so i see some nods and maybe i'll

[1:30:46] Voice 13: just say nurse do you have any other additional remarks you'd like to make and then i'll go to

[1:30:49] Voice 13: for the question that she has yeah

[1:30:52] Voice 1: um thanks for that um chair luckham because that's exactly sort

[1:30:55] Voice 1: of where where i'm at like um what what i would like to be able to do is is come back to the ltc

[1:31:01] Voice 1: um with the report kind of identifying um some some you know options in terms of moving forward

[1:31:07] Voice 1: with the ocp which would you know include identifying what what i i see you know what

[1:31:13] Voice 1: staff sees as um as what's needed which you know as we've talked about is the water part is a

[1:31:19] Voice 1: critical piece um and you know that report would also identify with some options for what could

[1:31:25] Voice 1: could happen in the in the coming year as well um but yeah i haven't had a chance to put my head to

[1:31:31] Voice 1: it and um you know we start april 1st next week so it's you know it's on my my to-do list to to

[1:31:38] Voice 1: to hit it and and get my head into it at that point time

[1:31:42] Voice 5: perfect awesome

[1:31:44] Voice 3: thank you always

[1:31:45] Voice 3: appreciate your work um yeah so my question was just in terms of the the free project timeline

[1:31:53] Voice 3: timeline that you had laid out in the slide on page 20 that conversations with First Nations

[1:31:58] Voice 3: would begin and continue in March and so I was just wondering that because the project budget

[1:32:04] Voice 3: for 18 000 was approved could we actually begin the process of who might be considered as an

[1:32:13] Voice 3: Indigenous engagement coordinator to help inform the project charter because our intention was to

[1:32:20] Voice 3: to make sure that engagement with First Nations

[1:32:22] Voice 3: obviously is happening early on,

[1:32:25] Voice 3: but is that also part of the reporting back to the LTC

[1:32:29] Voice 3: so that we can design the project harder

[1:32:31] Voice 3: with some of that input?

[1:32:35] Voice 3: I don't know if that's-

[1:32:36] Voice 13: I, you know, Narissa, you can chime in, of course,

[1:32:39] Voice 13: but it does strike me that we need to have a conversation

[1:32:42] Voice 13: of what that even looks like and

[1:32:45] Voice 13: who and why and what for,

[1:32:48] Voice 13: and there's other things

[1:32:50] Voice 14: that are moving around the background that may be influential yeah yeah um

[1:32:57] Voice 1: yeah i sort of come back

[1:33:00] Voice 1: to um sort of what i what what i was saying before which um i mean that's another item to consider in

[1:33:06] Voice 1: terms of the process um and so um you're coming back with a staff report that's something that

[1:33:11] Voice 1: can be included um you know for discussion and um with a bit of time i'll have an opportunity to um

[1:33:20] Voice 1: explore some options.

[1:33:22] Voice 3: Okay, that's great. Thank you so much. That really helped.

[1:33:27] Voice 3: Just one more comment. Thank you so much, Narissa, and everyone who worked on this amazing

[1:33:35] Voice 3: fulsome list of all of the groups that we thought were important to be included in the sort of

[1:33:43] Voice 3: preliminary idea of who will be helping us with this work. And this is just amazing. Thank you

[1:33:48] Voice 3: Thank you so much for that, it's great to see in the moment there, and I'm sure there's even more, you

[1:33:54] Voice 1: know, okay, and so I just like to acknowledge Stephen's work because he pulled all that information together.

[1:34:03] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:34:07] Voice 13: And so I want to say thank you, Nerissa, for joining us on what is a new item.

[1:34:12] Voice 13: You had no notice that this was coming, and it's important to keep that in the context

[1:34:16] Voice 13: because we might be up to speed on what we're thinking.

[1:34:19] Voice 13: We've got a lot of things.

[1:34:24] Voice 3: We should stop using the internet then.

[1:34:29] Voice 3: Sorry, I will try to add things as soon as I see the draft come out.

[1:34:32] Voice 3: And I'll get those typos in before we come to the meeting.

[1:34:37] Voice 3: We're all learning.

[1:34:38] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:34:41] Voice 16: You know, I was

[1:34:43] Voice 13: going to say that to our own fault, I would say, is that all of us want to help and work together and collaborate and achieve great outcomes.

[1:34:55] Voice 13: So we're learning together.

[1:34:57] Voice 13: I hope that that's true.

[1:34:58] Voice 13: And if we're pushing too hard, then you

[1:35:00] Voice 13: need to also tell us that, too.

[1:35:02] Voice 13: We're

[1:35:02] Voice 1: not shy, right?

[1:35:03] Voice 1: No, no, we got we got boundaries. Yes.

[1:35:07] Voice 13: Perfect. That's what I want to hear.

[1:35:10] Voice 13: OK, so then I'm going to move along on our agenda. I'm cognizant that it's 12, 11.

[1:35:16] Voice 13: Thank you, Nerissa. 12, 11. I'm looking at the remainder of the agenda.

[1:35:22] Voice 13: There's a little bit. There's a lot to gauge. Depends on how much conversation the trustees want to have.

[1:35:27] Voice 13: Do you want to have a short 15 minute break or do you want to have a full on half an hour lunch break or something?

[1:35:33] Voice 3: I'm

[1:35:33] Voice 13: okay with a short break.

[1:35:34] Voice 13: Short break.

[1:35:35] Voice 13: And so I want to look to staff.

[1:35:36] Voice 13: Are you guys okay?

[1:35:37] Voice 13: Because you've been at this since this morning already, you know.

[1:35:41] Voice 13: A

[1:35:41] Voice 3: lunch break would be great.

[1:35:42] Voice 3: A

[1:35:43] Voice 13: lunch break would be better.

[1:35:44] Voice 13: And

[1:35:44] Voice 3: then we'll run the cake up too.

[1:35:46] Voice 3: It'll give me time.

[1:35:46] Voice 3: What?

[1:35:47] Voice 3: Then I can run the cake up too.

[1:35:48] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:35:48] Voice 13: So let's, so if that's, then I want to respect that.

[1:35:53] Voice 13: And so let's break for half an hour.

[1:35:55] Voice 13: And then we'll come back at 1245, let's call it.

[1:36:00] Voice 13: And then we'll be refreshed and ready to go through the rest of the agenda.

[1:36:04] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:36:04] Voice 13: Right.

[1:36:05] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:36:05] Voice 13: Great.

[1:36:05] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:36:06] Voice 13: Did you folks have anything in particular that you wanted to address?

[1:36:09] Voice 3: Are

[1:36:10] Voice 13: you waiting for it?

[1:36:10] Voice 13: No, not today.

[1:36:11] Voice 3: We'll just see

[1:36:12] Voice 13: how it all goes.

[1:36:14] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:36:15] Voice 13: Because sometimes I forget that somebody's in the audience waiting for item 6.5.

[1:36:20] Voice 4: Don't look for us.

[1:36:21] Voice 4: Good.

[1:36:22] Voice 4: We're just taking it.

[1:36:22] Voice 4: Good.

[1:36:23] Voice 4: So

[1:36:23] Voice 13: I'm going to pause.

[1:36:24] Voice 13: And thank you for coming.

[1:36:25] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:36:25] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:36:28] Voice 4: Did

[1:36:28] Voice 14: you say 12.4?

[1:36:29] Voice 14: uh there were

[1:36:33] Voice 4: so many people here

[1:36:34] Voice 14: last time right i think that's why you're going to do it

[1:36:36] Voice 14: right here i guess it depends on what's going to get done

[1:36:48] Voice 14: i know i have a slide

[1:37:06] Voice 4: nice walk by the ocean that was great okay

[1:37:09] Voice 13: i do believe we are recording and live again so

[1:37:12] Voice 13: welcome back our audience at home um this is the gabriel island local trust committee of

[1:37:20] Voice 13: march 30th we have uh my name is peter lucker i'm the chair of the ltc i'm joined here today by

[1:37:28] Voice 13: Susan Yates and Elliot along with staff and we have managed to get to quite a bit of the agenda

[1:37:38] Voice 13: and are now at section nine delegations and now we're just going to continue on with the agenda

[1:37:45] Voice 13: I have just enjoyed spending some time outside on our break and indeed enjoying where I live

[1:37:54] Voice 13: and work in Coastal territory and just always want to acknowledge that every moment of the day

[1:37:59] Voice 13: I'm so grateful for that opportunity. So delegations, we don't have any today. Correspondents, we have one piece of correspondence here, 10.1, an email from Quinlan, is it?

[1:38:14] Voice 13: Oh, it's got an L on it. Thank you. Regarding drone issues on Gabriola. So certainly that's,

[1:38:23] Voice 13: I'm sorry to hear the events that have led up to this concern. It's certainly sad. But nonetheless,

[1:38:33] Voice 13: is there something, we've received this information, unless there's something that

[1:38:37] Voice 13: trustees would like to undertake with respect to this. This is, I think, I would guess as

[1:38:43] Voice 13: a Transport Canada issue, as

[1:38:46] Voice 1: they are the

[1:38:46] Voice 13: regulating body.

[1:38:48] Voice 13: But, Trustees, is there any action or direction you'd like to take

[1:38:52] Voice 13: associated with this piece of email?

[1:38:57] Voice 3: It is – the whole story is really awful, and I do just want to bring it forward.

[1:39:03] Voice 3: So thank you for sending that in.

[1:39:05] Voice 3: And, yeah, it's – I don't know.

[1:39:10] Voice 3: Are there any municipalities that have any bylaws?

[1:39:15] Voice 3: to do with no blind zones for the drones if that's Transport Canada's jurisdiction but

[1:39:23] Voice 3: isn't there a certain height that they wouldn't regulate like?

[1:39:27] Voice 13: Well I think it is all

[1:39:28] Voice 13: under Transport Canada drone I forget actually the physiology I actually I confess I am a drone

[1:39:36] Voice 13: pilot I have

[1:39:37] Voice 13: my license but I don't honestly know all the details but there are certainly

[1:39:43] Voice 13: requirements around it and it sounded like from the letter that the rcfp were involved in that

[1:39:48] Voice 1: and

[1:39:48] Voice 13: presumably that was brought to some authorities attention and that they

[1:39:52] Voice 13: uh i would like to think

[1:39:54] Voice 13: there's an enforcement process that goes on and certainly there are airports and places yeah and

[1:39:59] Voice 13: in public places you're not allowed to fly

[1:40:01] Voice 15: with people's heads and things like that and animals

[1:40:04] Voice 15: should be a part of that uh certainly there's huge risks yeah

[1:40:09] Voice 4: um

[1:40:10] Voice 15: i

[1:40:11] Voice 13: don't have an immediate answer

[1:40:12] Voice 13: i would like to think that they have written to the appropriate authorities of transport canada

[1:40:19] Voice 13: and ideally somebody has responded to them in some fashion so

[1:40:23] Voice 3: there is regulations you do need

[1:40:25] Voice 3: a drone pilot license to fly drones that weigh 250 grams up to 25

[1:40:30] Voice 15: kilograms yeah

[1:40:32] Voice 3: election so

[1:40:33] Voice 3: So, but there is regulations about how far above.

[1:40:39] Voice 3: Yep.

[1:40:40] Voice 3: So you must fly your drone 400 feet in the air.

[1:40:44] Voice 3: So I don't know what to do.

[1:40:45] Voice 3: I just, you know, it seemed like a really pertinent issue

[1:40:50] Voice 3: because it's very distressing.

[1:40:53] Voice 4: It's really

[1:40:54] Voice 3: distressing to hear that someone would operate a drone

[1:40:59] Voice 3: in what I consider a really irresponsible way.

[1:41:02] Voice 3: Absolutely.

[1:41:03] Voice 3: and i'm hoping that maybe the local rcmp are able to help but i don't know if they can or not yeah

[1:41:11] Voice 13: yeah unfortunately the email doesn't really cover any of the detail of what that

[1:41:15] Voice 13: it

[1:41:16] Voice 3: does say away from bystanders at a minimum horizontal distance 30 meters for basic operations

[1:41:21] Voice 3: so i mean there are regulations that stipulate how far away a drone

[1:41:26] Voice 3: can be and if it's within

[1:41:28] Voice 3: in those then i'm sure it's a uh yeah it sounds

[1:41:32] Voice 13: like there should be somebody transfer candidate

[1:41:34] Voice 13: should be brought to their attention and they should investigate make a report anyway especially

[1:41:38] Voice 13: if there's been a loss of life

[1:41:40] Voice 15: of an animal and it's particularly farm animal okay

[1:41:43] Voice 3: there are fines

[1:41:45] Voice 3: and penalties yeah with the regulations loss

[1:41:49] Voice 13: of license at a minimum confiscation of equipment

[1:41:51] Voice 13: that

[1:41:52] Voice 3: is helpful to know yeah that's good to know thanks and you know even though we may not be the

[1:41:56] Voice 3: body to actually do anything specific about this i think it's good that people bring this

[1:42:02] Voice 3: to our attention because this is a public meeting it could be an advocacy policy in the ocp

[1:42:09] Voice 3: i mean eventually could it this is something where as a community we don't want to see this happen

[1:42:15] Voice 3: i mean

[1:42:16] Voice 3: we can't regulate it or license it but certainly it could i don't think about that

[1:42:22] Voice 3: We

[1:42:23] Voice 15: want to consider whether or not culture varies.

[1:42:27] Voice 13: If we don't have an authority

[1:42:30] Voice 13: over it,

[1:42:31] Voice 13: we end up getting ourselves into trouble

[1:42:35] Voice 13: because people think we are an authority

[1:42:36] Voice 13: by including something when we're not.

[1:42:39] Voice 13: And then it's bad because we can't.

[1:42:41] Voice 3: Yeah, no, you're right.

[1:42:42] Voice 3: Okay, I'd say that.

[1:42:44] Voice 3: But

[1:42:44] Voice 13: I would certainly be interested to hear

[1:42:47] Voice 13: what the outcome was associated with the complaint

[1:42:50] Voice 13: just so that would help us know

[1:42:52] Voice 13: for what might come in the future.

[1:42:55] Voice 13: Does staff have any other suggestions

[1:42:57] Voice 13: other than obviously there should be enforcement?

[1:43:02] Voice 3: Well, there is.

[1:43:03] Voice 3: That's where the fines and penalties get assigned.

[1:43:06] Voice 3: And the message I think to your constituents

[1:43:10] Voice 3: when they contact you

[1:43:11] Voice 3: is that the RCMP is the first point of contact

[1:43:14] Voice 3: for these types of investigations.

[1:43:17] Voice 3: They can ascertain quite quickly

[1:43:19] Voice 3: whether the person has a pilot license

[1:43:21] Voice 3: or have got crashes under the weight limit

[1:43:25] Voice 3: and then direct it and work collaboratively

[1:43:29] Voice 3: with the other agencies that would be enacting enforcement

[1:43:33] Voice 3: and document the necessary evidence as well

[1:43:37] Voice 3: in a timely manner as opposed to we can leave it later.

[1:43:41] Voice 3: It is time sensitive, but it is important to just pass that on.

[1:43:45] Voice 3: If anyone feels that there's been a breach of federal

[1:43:49] Voice 3: federal regulations protecting people property and privacy and we should go and find them maybe

[1:43:54] Voice 3: to contact the rcmp meeting thank you yes are

[1:44:01] Voice 3: we do we want to i would oh i can follow up okay

[1:44:06] Voice 3: and ask her um what was the outcome in regards and yeah just

[1:44:12] Voice 15: yeah certainly you can convey

[1:44:14] Voice 15: mine are

[1:44:16] Voice 4: sympathy

[1:44:18] Voice 15: and concerns and hearing the end of the story would be helpful whatever

[1:44:25] Voice 15: conclusions were found okay

[1:44:27] Voice 4: um

[1:44:28] Voice 15: and

[1:44:31] Voice 14: mostly just for our information for future reference

[1:44:36] Voice 14: okay

[1:44:36] Voice 13: so then um i would thank you for the discussion and um we'll just receive that

[1:44:42] Voice 15: from national leave it to trustee i went to um convey our thank

[1:44:48] Voice 14: you um

[1:44:50] Voice 13: so now i'm going to get

[1:44:52] Voice 13: down to new business at 11.1 i was a bit surprised to see this was the first time i've seen it

[1:44:58] Voice 13: um but um i don't i don't share that many ltc's anymore so maybe i'm just in the dark but the

[1:45:04] Voice 13: draft freedom of information and protection of privacy by law requests for a decision this is a

[1:45:11] Voice 13: legislative requirement.

[1:45:13] Voice 13: Are you prepared to address this one, Sonia,

[1:45:16] Voice 13: or is anybody prepared to address it?

[1:45:18] Voice 3: We will help you with any questions that you might have.

[1:45:21] Voice 3: This

[1:45:21] Voice 13: is Director Rappaport's

[1:45:22] Voice 3: report, yeah,

[1:45:23] Voice 3: and so there's a recommendation for first and second,

[1:45:26] Voice 3: first, second, and third reading,

[1:45:28] Voice 3: and forwarding to the Secretary of the Executive Committee

[1:45:32] Voice 3: of the Islands, the Secretary of the Islands Trust,

[1:45:34] Voice 3: the Executive Committee.

[1:45:36] Voice 3: committee. Yeah, any questions that you might have in technical nature, I'd have to pass on to the

[1:45:41] Voice 3: director to respond to specifically. Are we the

[1:45:44] Voice 3: first LTC to adopt this? No, okay. The SCETIs

[1:45:48] Voice 3: saw it, but decided to ask for more information. Oh, that's great.

[1:45:53] Voice 3: Trustee Peterson wanted to see

[1:45:55] Voice 3: the previous, I guess, legislation just to be able to compare. Right. The Hornby Island Local

[1:46:03] Voice 3: trust committee to give first second and third reading as presented i would ask that the

[1:46:09] Voice 3: resolutions be separated out for first second and third reading they're lumped together here

[1:46:13] Voice 3: in the recommendation but for the minutes they need to be separate reading okay thank you and

[1:46:19] Voice 13: you know this is unusual in terms of a bylaw um because um it's administrative and that we can do

[1:46:25] Voice 13: all three readings at once whereas

[1:46:26] Voice 13: for land use bylaw we can't do that so um at the pleasure of

[1:46:32] Voice 13: would say trustees what would you like to do well

[1:46:35] Voice 3: it seems clear to me yeah what the reasons are

[1:46:38] Voice 3: and um it is a requirement i'm happy to move the okay move

[1:46:45] Voice 3: first reading and i will do that

[1:46:48] Voice 3: gabriel island local trust committee bylaw number 315 cited as gabriel island local trust committee

[1:46:55] Voice 3: freedom of information and protection of privacy bylaw number 315 2023 be given first reading

[1:47:02] Voice 3: So

[1:47:03] Voice 15: it's moved. Do I have a seconder? Trustee Elliott, thank you. Any discussion? All those in favour? That carries unanimously.

[1:47:10] Voice 15: Do you want to try the next one, Toby?

[1:47:14] Voice 3: You did just read out first, so you're

[1:47:16] Voice 3: second. Then I do this one?

[1:47:18] Voice 13: You do. Repeat the first one with second.

[1:47:24] Voice 3: I move that Gabriel Island local trust committee bylaw number 315 said it's Gabriel Island local

[1:47:31] Voice 3: trust committee freedom of information protection of privacy bylaw number 315 2023 be given second

[1:47:37] Voice 3: reading I'll second that all

[1:47:39] Voice 13: right any further discussion those in favor that carries so I will

[1:47:44] Voice 13: move to the Gabriella Island local trust committee bylaw number 315 cited as Gabriella

[1:47:51] Voice 13: Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw

[1:47:55] Voice 13: number 315-2023 be given third reading. I'll second that. Second by Susan Yates. Any further

[1:48:02] Voice 13: discussion? All those in favor? That too carries. There we go. So now we need to forward it to

[1:48:07] Voice 13: Executive Committee.

[1:48:08] Voice 3: I move that Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw number 315, so it's

[1:48:12] Voice 3: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw

[1:48:17] Voice 3: law number 315-2023 before it to the secretary of the island's trust for approval by the executive

[1:48:23] Voice 3: and i will second that awesome

[1:48:25] Voice 13: thank you so moved and seconded any further discussion

[1:48:28] Voice 13: all those in favor of that carries thank you so much excellent well thank you and if only

[1:48:33] Voice 13: everything was right so um sure next item is 11.2 shoreline planning for regional planning

[1:48:42] Voice 13: committee request for decision i didn't have anything in my agenda that that comes and

[1:48:46] Voice 13: an addendum or i

[1:48:48] Voice 3: didn't either and um it's um it was my request that this local trust committee

[1:48:56] Voice 3: um forward a request to the regional planning committee to um i don't even have the words in

[1:49:04] Voice 3: front of me here because i thought it was on the package and i realized it wasn't

[1:49:07] Voice 3: to consider shoreline planning and its regional well well to to um to look at shoreline

[1:49:15] Voice 3: planning regionally um with a specific look at the manion bay um development in on bowen island

[1:49:25] Voice 3: oh right

[1:49:26] Voice 3: where bowen island municipality worked with the province to get some really good um

[1:49:33] Voice 3: regulations for manion bay and it seemed ideal to me that if we could look at regional shoreline

[1:49:42] Voice 3: planning with that in mind that would be a template for you know regional shoreline planning

[1:49:49] Voice 3: so that all of the islands trust area could then perhaps adopt a more regional shoreline planning

[1:49:56] Voice 3: approach

[1:49:57] Voice 6: um

[1:49:59] Voice 3: anyway my exact wording isn't here because

[1:50:02] Voice 6: i've got it up here

[1:50:06] Voice 6: thank

[1:50:07] Voice 4: you um so i'll um so

[1:50:13] Voice 16: maybe before you read that let me ask a question here

[1:50:15] Voice 13: and the most

[1:50:17] Voice 13: obvious person to ask but the shoreline um planning has been a topic on the regional

[1:50:25] Voice 13: planning committee for some time over the years multiple times probably and there is a body of

[1:50:31] Voice 13: work that's invested, soft shorelines, for instance, whatever they call that, and

[1:50:38] Voice 13: other

[1:50:42] Voice 13: initiatives.

[1:50:43] Voice 13: And in fact, there was an initiative there about doing the green shores work where LTCs

[1:50:47] Voice 13: were asked to participate.

[1:50:48] Voice 13: There was actually, interestingly enough, not a lot of interest in it.

[1:50:52] Voice 13: I think Cetus and one other was the only ones that were interested, and subsequently had

[1:50:56] Voice 13: some work done.

[1:51:00] Voice 13: and so i'm not sure where that body of work sits but what my my question here is is that

[1:51:08] Voice 13: there's sort of a move afoot where local trust committees and even just general conversation

[1:51:14] Voice 13: might direct requests to planning regional not just regional planning committee but the committees

[1:51:21] Voice 13: council committees i guess is the phrase i'm looking for council committees of which normally

[1:51:26] Voice 13: the work of the council committees is directed by council and and so i'm just wondering how to get

[1:51:34] Voice 13: this request through a process to make it put a item of interest at count at the council committee

[1:51:42] Voice 13: and ideally i would think would be seeking endorsement of trust council so just want to

[1:51:50] Voice 13: Is that clear or not about a process associated with advancing an idea from an LTC to get it onto a regional planning committee?

[1:52:01] Voice 3: I

[1:52:02] Voice 13: asked about that.

[1:52:03] Voice 3: I asked how to do that.

[1:52:05] Voice 3: And two people on the regional planning committee said, oh, make a formal request from your LTC to the regional planning committee.

[1:52:14] Voice 3: Because then I would assume they would take it back to council if they thought it was needed.

[1:52:19] Voice 3: i've

[1:52:20] Voice 13: seen things just get dismissed at the council committee level so

[1:52:25] Voice 3: should should we do this first

[1:52:28] Voice 3: and then um ask i don't know ask for or it would be a strategic plan that could

[1:52:35] Voice 15: be if it was part

[1:52:36] Voice 15: of the plan

[1:52:37] Voice 3: would it then be assigned to regional planning um

[1:52:40] Voice 13: committee exactly on exactly what i'm

[1:52:43] Voice 13: thinking how do we ensure it

[1:52:45] Voice 3: almost it's like it has to show up it by a trust council member

[1:52:49] Voice 3: would your trust council member maybe not on behalf of the ltc um especially when you're

[1:52:54] Voice 13: talking about a template for work because that

[1:52:56] Voice 13: was criticized in the governance review although

[1:53:00] Voice 13: at the same time there's lots of good reasons to have templates the

[1:53:04] Voice 3: whole point of regional

[1:53:05] Voice 3: planning the whole point of dividing what three or three years ago council decided or agreed to

[1:53:12] Voice 3: divide planning per se into local planning and regional planning and there's a really good reason

[1:53:18] Voice 3: for that there are some you know regional planning ideas that could be so helpful across the whole

[1:53:24] Voice 3: but you

[1:53:26] Voice 15: can see that their

[1:53:28] Voice 13: workload would be enormous and insufficient planning so

[1:53:32] Voice 13: sony do you have any remarks or thoughts to assist us and should we just follow through

[1:53:37] Voice 13: with that i think you've seen the motion that i

[1:53:40] Voice 3: was yeah i was going to suggest that if you

[1:53:42] Voice 3: did that just follow through with a resolution to request that that planning committee

[1:53:47] Voice 3: consider this then the director stefan would intercept if that's not adequate and we can

[1:53:56] Voice 3: always come back with an rwm to tweak the resolution to correct it so that it's directed

[1:54:02] Voice 3: of the right body yeah i'm happy with that i'm not going to forget about it

[1:54:07] Voice 12: yeah so anyway you

[1:54:11] Voice 12: You spoke, I think, with Stefan and with Laura Patrick,

[1:54:16] Voice 3: who's the chair, I think, of the RBC.

[1:54:18] Voice 3: You sound like reputable.

[1:54:21] Voice 14: They're happy to take it on.

[1:54:23] Voice 14: Yeah, yeah.

[1:54:23] Voice 3: Okay, well, I'll make the motion.

[1:54:26] Voice 3: So, I move that the Gabriola Local Trust Committee request the Regional Planning Committee to include the Gabriola Local Trust Area in a regional review of shoreline planning and zoning for the trust area, and that the RPC look at Bowen Island's Mannion Bay revitalization plan as part of a shoreline review.

[1:54:56] Voice 3: you okay

[1:54:59] Voice 16: then you've got

[1:55:00] Voice 16: that so you yeah so second yeah okay is there any discussion no okay

[1:55:07] Voice 16: so i'll call it all as a favorite that carries

[1:55:11] Voice 3: it's still confusing to figure out how to get

[1:55:14] Voice 3: work work time yeah but i'm trying well yeah

[1:55:17] Voice 13: i mean things change

[1:55:18] Voice 3: all the projects are important

[1:55:20] Voice 3: like the groundwater availability and freshwater sustainability project and they're all regional

[1:55:25] Voice 3: all and it will like turn heavy yeah so it's it's tricky and i

[1:55:29] Voice 3: forgot that renee also our um

[1:55:31] Voice 3: she also suggested this might be

[1:55:33] Voice 3: a good way to go about it well

[1:55:35] Voice 13: let's see how that goes

[1:55:38] Voice 13: uh the

[1:55:39] Voice 3: next item our

[1:55:39] Voice 13: agenda 11.3 is apc appointments and

[1:55:42] Voice 13: susan you brought that to us um oh yeah the appointments are

[1:55:45] Voice 3: just briefly um

[1:55:46] Voice 3: quite a few of them are are up in april of this year and um so just just a little heads up on

[1:55:56] Voice 3: thinking about that again and maybe get some more members on those committees yeah so through the

[1:56:04] Voice 3: chair with the deadline or the expiration for the apc is october 24th 2023 the hapc expires april

[1:56:13] Voice 3: yeah

[1:56:13] Voice 4: so

[1:56:14] Voice 3: uh there is a memo in the works for the local trust committee to consider regarding

[1:56:19] Voice 3: regarding expressions of interest and reappointments

[1:56:25] Voice 3: that the existing members who wish to extend their terms.

[1:56:28] Voice 3: So that didn't make it onto this agenda,

[1:56:30] Voice 3: but would be on the next meeting.

[1:56:32] Voice 3: If you felt that that wasn't sufficient,

[1:56:35] Voice 3: I could give you the recommended resolution right now,

[1:56:38] Voice 3: verbally, which is pretty standard boilerplate

[1:56:42] Voice 3: that we use every time there's expressions of interest

[1:56:45] Voice 3: to direct us to do that advertising appointments.

[1:56:49] Voice 3: and begin that process right away.

[1:56:52] Voice 3: I have a quick question.

[1:56:54] Voice 3: This might be an error,

[1:56:55] Voice 3: but on the February 9 printout date

[1:56:58] Voice 3: that we got for our Advisory Planning Commission members,

[1:57:02] Voice 3: I have one person who's listed under APC.

[1:57:09] Voice 4: She's

[1:57:10] Voice 3: also listed under HAPC.

[1:57:13] Voice 3: And her appointment is over April 15th coming up

[1:57:19] Voice 3: on apc but it's also over coming up for hapc and i i don't remember her being on the apc i only

[1:57:28] Voice 3: remember her being on the hapc okay well we can look into that okay that would be great okay so

[1:57:34] Voice 3: were

[1:57:34] Voice 13: you interested in starting that process sooner to advertise your expressions of interest

[1:57:39] Voice 13: because i think that's what sonya said she could provide us with a motion to initiate that yeah

[1:57:43] Voice 3: let's call that as her agency members uh so the recommended wording would be that the gabriel

[1:57:51] Voice 3: island local trust committee requests staff to a send letters to members of the housing advisory

[1:57:59] Voice 3: planning commission these firms will expire on april 15th 2020 thanking them for their participation

[1:58:05] Voice 3: and inviting their expressions of interest for reappointment for another two-year term

[1:58:10] Voice 3: and be advertised for public expressions of interest for new members what she said

[1:58:21] Voice 4: thank you so good

[1:58:27] Voice 12: on a very rare occasion i would say that it would be permissible to say i moved

[1:58:31] Voice 12: Toby moved that.

[1:58:34] Voice 3: I seconded it.

[1:58:35] Voice 3: Okay, perfect.

[1:58:38] Voice 12: So you're satisfied with that? You have that electronic copy. So then any further discussion on those in favor?

[1:58:46] Voice 12: I'll keep those advisory.

[1:58:47] Voice 12: That'll start that process.

[1:58:49] Voice 12: I'm sure it's going. Awesome.

[1:58:51] Voice 12: Anything further

[1:58:52] Voice 13: on that topic?

[1:58:55] Voice 13: it so i'm going to quickly scan through here climate change action these items don't have

[1:59:01] Voice 13: anything attached to the climate action update first nations relationship building uh toby did

[1:59:07] Voice 13: you have anything to offer had you met met

[1:59:09] Voice 3: when i haven't no they've been they were hosting the

[1:59:12] Voice 3: junior all native all nations um tournament and so i thought was a huge success and i just wanted

[1:59:19] Voice 3: to send out massive congratulations to the name of first nation i believe there was 12 000 people

[1:59:25] Voice 3: who came from all over the province uh 19 teams were represented or something and i watched the

[1:59:34] Voice 3: two final games that june or the boys and the girls basketball games and they were really

[1:59:39] Voice 3: unbelievable the talent and the passion and so it was just really great to see all these kids

[1:59:46] Voice 3: coming from different nations from all over the province.

[1:59:49] Voice 3: And so just a huge congratulations to Senegal First Nation,

[1:59:53] Voice 3: all the counselors, I believe.

[1:59:55] Voice 3: Yeah, they put in a lot of work.

[1:59:57] Voice 3: It was beautiful.

[1:59:58] Voice 13: Excellent.

[2:00:00] Voice 13: Okay, then I'll go to the Trust Conservancy report dated February 2023.

[2:00:04] Voice 13: That's there for information, but I do like to have the opportunity just to speak to it.

[2:00:08] Voice 13: And I'm going to ask Toby Elliott to do that as the EC representative.

[2:00:14] Voice 13: Well, you

[2:00:15] Voice 13: guys can take turns.

[2:00:17] Voice 13: This is unusual.

[2:00:18] Voice 13: I've never had this happen before.

[2:00:20] Voice 3: We love it.

[2:00:21] Voice 13: You

[2:00:22] Voice 3: guys have got a

[2:00:22] Voice 13: significant influence on the Trust Conservancy.

[2:00:25] Voice 13: So which one of you would like to speak to the report that's before us for the benefit of the public?

[2:00:29] Voice 13: Well,

[2:00:30] Voice 3: I'm happy to go first, very briefly. At our January 24th board meeting, I was elected as the financial planning committee rep from the Conservancy.

[2:00:41] Voice 3: So that was exciting. And just briefly from that board meeting, we received a legacy donation of $25,000 for implementing a Western Sweet Child research project on Lake Island.

[2:01:01] Voice 3: um we reviewed an application from the nature conservancy of canada and awarded a fifty

[2:01:07] Voice 3: thousand dollar opportunity fund grant um for the acquisition of 397 acres of conservation lands on

[2:01:16] Voice 3: reginald hill on salt spring island and this is that opportunity fund is wonderful because the

[2:01:23] Voice 3: collaboration with local groups and it just gets twice the amount of good things coming

[2:01:30] Voice 3: coming out of it um and we were the itc board was awarded a four thousand uh six hundred and

[2:01:37] Voice 3: fourteen dollar grant from the morrison wexler biodiversity legacy fund grant program to expand

[2:01:44] Voice 3: the existing night hawk hill natural area protection tax exemption program covenant

[2:01:50] Voice 3: on north panda island so all of that in one meeting was quite wonderful and as of march

[2:01:56] Voice 3: March, just like right now, the Islands Trust Conservancy protects 113 conservation properties, 34 nature reserves, and 79 covenants.

[2:02:09] Voice 3: And the two new nature reserves that were added since the last quarterly report are both in the Gabriel Island Local Trust area.

[2:02:19] Voice 3: That's true.

[2:02:21] Voice 3: Yay.

[2:02:22] Voice 3: Yay.

[2:02:22] Voice 3: Gifting to conservation is definitely this generation's task.

[2:02:28] Voice 3: And I think there's a lot of people stepping up to that.

[2:02:31] Voice 3: I would also add that we made a work plan for the year to come and really worked with staff on what was achievable.

[2:02:40] Voice 3: They put a pause on the reconciliation action plan because we're working on the reconciliation and engagement activities with First Nations

[2:02:49] Voice 3: with the three-year or preparing for the next five-year conservancy plan and also wanting to

[2:02:54] Voice 3: wait until the SEPA role is filled and we put a pause on the climate change phase two and so I

[2:03:03] Voice 3: believe ended up focusing on land acquisitions management plans and some administrative

[2:03:09] Voice 3: cleanup that was needed anything else it's partly because you know land acquisition

[2:03:16] Voice 3: acquisition and conservation is like an iterative process that requires more staff and more funding

[2:03:23] Voice 3: as more land comes under conservation because that's yeah more management and administration

[2:03:29] Voice 3: for all that like success costs yeah something but it is so worth it yeah so there's a yeah

[2:03:37] Voice 3: they're working on their databases and a lot of the maintenance and administrative stuff so that

[2:03:42] Voice 3: that we're in a good place to continue to receive more life.

[2:03:46] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:03:51] Voice 16: I'm just going to tag on to the end here

[2:03:53] Voice 13: because I'm standing here on Gabriella Island.

[2:03:58] Voice 13: And in fact, I was out on the waterfront there on our break

[2:04:01] Voice 13: and I was looking across to Mount Aerosmith

[2:04:04] Voice 13: and just want to acknowledge that the biosphere,

[2:04:07] Voice 13: which is part of the Islands Trust area

[2:04:09] Voice 13: that encompasses this region, is there.

[2:04:12] Voice 13: And that's also conservation work, which I think is significant.

[2:04:16] Voice 13: I know, Sonia, you've been engaged in some of those meetings of that body.

[2:04:22] Voice 13: And I guess I'm thinking it would be nice to get more status report stuff on that.

[2:04:30] Voice 13: This is directly within my shot of here.

[2:04:34] Voice 13: I don't think it encompasses Gabriella particularly, but it does encompass the Bolinas from Chelsea area.

[2:04:38] Voice 15: and

[2:04:39] Voice 13: um just want to recognize that the mount airsmith biosphere reserve which has been

[2:04:44] Voice 13: established for under 15 years

[2:04:47] Voice 3: 2014 or how many 20 since 2014 i believe oh actually

[2:04:52] Voice 3: it's going to work for a long yeah

[2:04:54] Voice 13: these do take a very long time normally and your past

[2:04:58] Voice 13: ltc chair dan rogers now sits on the um the house island of biosphere right it's really great

[2:05:05] Voice 14: called regions just to correct region thank you okay

[2:05:09] Voice 13: let's move along um we have an applications

[2:05:14] Voice 13: report here on page 68 of the agenda um and um is this up to date i'll just ask yeah and so are

[2:05:22] Voice 13: there any questions about anything on that report i had a

[2:05:25] Voice 13: question go ahead um

[2:05:26] Voice 3: so on the first page

[2:05:28] Voice 3: of the report there and the second page there are two applications different applicants

[2:05:39] Voice 4: and they're both in the same area they might even be neighbors and it

[2:05:48] Voice 3: says that the status is

[2:05:51] Voice 3: planners are meeting with the applicant with the option of rezoning the water zone or removal

[2:05:59] Voice 3: And it must be removal of a structure or something that is not in compliance with the shoreline protection.

[2:06:11] Voice 3: So when this happens, do we recommend removal and give the applicant the choice?

[2:06:24] Voice 3: or okay the reason i'm asking is because i actually had two people come to me who live

[2:06:31] Voice 3: in this neighborhood and talk to me about their neighbors are putting things down on the shoreline

[2:06:37] Voice 3: and and i have no idea if it's these same people or not um and they didn't know what to do about

[2:06:44] Voice 3: it i said well you'll you'll need to you know phone the honest just office and have a chat

[2:06:49] Voice 3: with the planners so what if the owners decide that they will not remove said structures

[2:07:00] Voice 3: then it comes to the local trust committee for rezoning so through the chair i can address

[2:07:07] Voice 3: in general terms because i don't know the specific the case that you're speaking with or the file

[2:07:13] Voice 3: that um this planner is dealing with but this looks like a shoreline revetment or shoreline

[2:07:19] Voice 3: protection piece right that's what it says it's a shoreline protection variance so i'm going to

[2:07:23] Voice 3: make the option that there's a structure right um that is within a setback of 15 meters to the

[2:07:29] Voice 3: natural boundary of the sea that's the issue and so through the voluntary compliance mechanism of

[2:07:35] Voice 3: bylaw enforcement all applicants are given the same advice that they have options they can either

[2:07:40] Voice 3: remove the structure to comply with the regulation

[2:07:44] Voice 8: they

[2:07:45] Voice 3: can apply for a variance if that's an option

[2:07:48] Voice 3: or they can rezone to permit that structure

[2:07:53] Voice 3: because it's not a permitted structure,

[2:07:55] Voice 3: a permitted use.

[2:07:58] Voice 3: If the structure is within its own boundary

[2:08:02] Voice 3: or possibly there's complicating issues

[2:08:06] Voice 3: with the marine foreshore area as well.

[2:08:09] Voice 3: So a rezoning would have to be considered

[2:08:11] Voice 3: at that stage for the more complex applications.

[2:08:15] Voice 13: And that would be down at the cost of the applicant.

[2:08:18] Voice 13: Absolutely.

[2:08:19] Voice 13: we wouldn't be doing it uh

[2:08:20] Voice 3: no yeah so then we give ample time for the applicants to decide

[2:08:25] Voice 3: what direction they're going by law enforcement typically works like the applicant on that to

[2:08:31] Voice 3: give them reasonable time to consider their options to make the application in this case

[2:08:36] Voice 3: they chose a development variance permit that's what's on the application log

[2:08:39] Voice 3: and so it appears that the planner is still in correspondence with the applicant about possible

[2:08:48] Voice 3: possible issues that are impacting the analysis of that application that they've made and

[2:08:55] Voice 3: requesting more information.

[2:08:58] Voice 3: So one of them, it's interesting, they must be right next door to each other.

[2:09:02] Voice 3: One says shoreline protection variance, the other one side says for shore protection variance.

[2:09:10] Voice 3: So there's a little bit of a difference, isn't there?

[2:09:13] Voice 3: yeah yeah so one is the address is 1160 and 1170 strength so those are adjacent properties

[2:09:20] Voice 3: yeah um so if we had a shoreline protection

[2:09:30] Voice 3: okay good thank you that's really good it's

[2:09:34] Voice 16: a work in progress yeah

[2:09:36] Voice 3: so just to clarify you do

[2:09:37] Voice 3: have zoning in place that prohibits the siting of structures like sea walls within 15 meters

[2:09:44] Voice 3: of the natural boundary of the sea. Those are still relevant regardless of your regulation

[2:09:50] Voice 3: or if you have a DP in place that's already, in this case, it's already been done. So you're

[2:09:56] Voice 3: retroactively having to evaluate those applications to determine if they're acceptable and could

[2:10:03] Voice 3: be issued okay

[2:10:05] Voice 6: okay yeah

[2:10:08] Voice 15: so if there's no further questions on the applications log

[2:10:12] Voice 13: and i'll move along to trustee and local expense report dated january 2023 that's really there for

[2:10:19] Voice 13: information and if you have any questions or concerns best to take it up with nancy rogers

[2:10:24] Voice 13: okay well

[2:10:25] Voice 3: i do have a question about allowable expenses um the communications budget's far from

[2:10:30] Voice 3: being overspent would it be out of line if i put a notice in the sounders event page of my office

[2:10:37] Voice 3: hours be like 25 i think in addition for once a month because we're having i mean i'm getting

[2:10:46] Voice 3: people out and i really want to make sure that it becomes more consistent people are coming and i

[2:10:53] Voice 3: i just want to trial this and see if in-person meetings are people have an appetite for them

[2:10:59] Voice 3: But they've told me I'm not on Facebook, and so I don't know how else to advertise it on the trustee door.

[2:11:08] Voice 3: So would I need approval from the LTC to be able to put in a...

[2:11:12] Voice 3: Yeah, so typically a resolution from the LTC endorsing the expenditure from a certain budget line for a

[2:11:18] Voice 3: certain expense is appropriate.

[2:11:23] Voice 3: appropriate that way when we get the invoice clear what it's being directed towards in this

[2:11:29] Voice 3: case communications i don't want to use a bunch but i mean maybe six times a year

[2:11:37] Voice 3: yeah

[2:11:38] Voice 13: so this would be take effect in the coming year not well

[2:11:42] Voice 3: no that we've got like a weekly

[2:11:43] Voice 3: events thing and i could put

[2:11:45] Voice 3: oh oh oh i see

[2:11:47] Voice 3: this fiscal starts this fiscal starts

[2:11:49] Voice 12: the list fiscal is about to be done so yeah you'd want to yeah i don't know this

[2:11:55] Voice 3: money won't be

[2:11:56] Voice 3: available no

[2:11:56] Voice 14: there's much more i'm

[2:11:58] Voice 3: just looking at the anticipated like if we budget

[2:12:00] Voice 3: normally a

[2:12:01] Voice 3: thousand is that about something that we could use that wouldn't be expected yeah okay and you

[2:12:07] Voice 3: also advertise in your trustee quarter i do i'm

[2:12:10] Voice 3: just trying some things out so you

[2:12:14] Voice 15: want to make

[2:12:14] Voice 15: a motion yes

[2:12:15] Voice 3: uh i move or i request that um and by don't bi-monthly yeah bi-monthly

[2:12:27] Voice 3: gabriel the local trust committee uh apply yeah that will be approved i don't know if we're just

[2:12:35] Voice 3: speaking but you can help me right here

[2:12:37] Voice 12: i'm trying to help you i'm

[2:12:38] Voice 3: going to find the

[2:12:38] Voice 12: chair of not

[2:12:39] Voice 12: being happy for

[2:12:41] Voice 3: me okay five times six six i'll do the

[2:12:44] Voice 3: resolution great cheers we're at spring fever

[2:12:49] Voice 3: i don't

[2:12:52] Voice 16: need a calculator trust

[2:12:54] Voice 3: committee authorized the release of up to two hundred

[2:12:57] Voice 3: and fifty dollars one hundred one hundred and fifty you could say two hundred just

[2:13:01] Voice 3: thank you authorize the release of up to two hundred dollars from

[2:13:09] Voice 3: the communications budget for the purposes of advertising trustee hours office hours

[2:13:16] Voice 3: so it means

[2:13:17] Voice 3: both of us could be in there for sure

[2:13:19] Voice 3: we'll second that motion perfect

[2:13:21] Voice 3: cooperation and

[2:13:23] Voice 13: that the finance department be advised this is

[2:13:26] Voice 3: enough okay okay so moved

[2:13:28] Voice 13: yes seconded

[2:13:29] Voice 13: yeah awesome all those in favor thank you

[2:13:33] Voice 12: that's awesome that's a really good

[2:13:35] Voice 13: proactive yeah

[2:13:35] Voice 6: appreciate it yeah excellent

[2:13:37] Voice 13: anything further on trustee expenses uh adopted

[2:13:42] Voice 13: policy standard resolutions that's there for information unless you want to make a change

[2:13:45] Voice 13: i

[2:13:46] Voice 3: have just a comment or a question um one of our standing resolutions a really big one from

[2:13:56] Voice 3: the last term was gb 2022 089 defer enforcement on all existing non-compliant dwellings being

[2:14:04] Voice 3: is for residential purposes except and then there's a whole bunch of conditions but part of

[2:14:09] Voice 3: that standing resolution says the gabriella local test committee will review this standing resolution

[2:14:19] Voice 3: at a minimum of once a year with updates from the bylaw compliance and enforcement manager

[2:14:26] Voice 3: to measure results and impacts and i

[2:14:30] Voice 3: think this is still really important because that will determine

[2:14:35] Voice 3: determine what we do with this. Now, my thoughts are that this will likely just be part of our OCP

[2:14:42] Voice 3: review. I mean, it can't be here forever. We have to actually do something about this at some point.

[2:14:50] Voice 3: So the other part of that standing resolution was the Gabriela Local Trust Committee

[2:14:55] Voice 3: recommended the incoming Gabriela Local Trust Committee, that is us, that it conduct a community

[2:15:01] Voice 3: consultation regarding this standing resolution. So my thoughts are, do we wait for the OCP

[2:15:13] Voice 3: to do that? Do we do it before the OCP? I don't have any particular inclination either

[2:15:22] Voice 3: way, but I certainly don't want to forget that this is an important part of that standing

[2:15:26] Voice 3: resolution so could i suggest that we put this on the agenda to review it like in june or

[2:15:34] Voice 3: r october which is sort of the annual

[2:15:36] Voice 1: date and then

[2:15:37] Voice 3: we roll the second part in d yeah into our

[2:15:41] Voice 3: discussion yeah

[2:15:42] Voice 4: i mean that would make sense yeah

[2:15:43] Voice 3: and also but we that would also require that um

[2:15:46] Voice 3: we will need an update from the bylaw right so they we would need to give them a heads up at

[2:15:53] Voice 3: some point at this so

[2:15:56] Voice 13: i would suggest that that item c is right there nails it yeah just ask uh

[2:16:03] Voice 13: then gabrielle ltc asked the bylaw enforcement manager yeah to

[2:16:07] Voice 13: provide a report regarding the

[2:16:09] Voice 13: results and impacts of the standing resolution number yeah

[2:16:14] Voice 13: gb 2022-089 in october or november

[2:16:20] Voice 3: 2023 trigger

[2:16:23] Voice 13: i

[2:16:24] Voice 3: think october because i don't want to leave it too long um that i had an update for

[2:16:28] Voice 3: the october 15

[2:16:30] Voice 17: meeting yeah uh some of it uh i bet asked by law enforcement manager provide a

[2:16:37] Voice 17: report on gb 20 22 to 089 089 in october 2023 for the october local trust committee meeting

[2:16:48] Voice 3: yeah yeah that's

[2:16:49] Voice 3: a good idea and

[2:16:50] Voice 13: then that's got it

[2:16:51] Voice 15: and we can't forget it yeah

[2:16:52] Voice 3: it's an energy dual

[2:16:54] Voice 15: so you got that okay are you all right with that yeah blue somebody yeah

[2:16:59] Voice 3: probably second

[2:17:02] Voice 15: yates and elliott respectively thing one and thing two wow i

[2:17:08] Voice 3: know anything else understanding

[2:17:11] Voice 12: those solutions but

[2:17:12] Voice 3: we'd have to did we say that are we all in favor no we didn't vote on it

[2:17:18] Voice 3: don't we have to go

[2:17:18] Voice 13: all those in favor i think that's how to do that it carries unanimously

[2:17:23] Voice 13: well that's good

[2:17:24] Voice 13: enthusiasm okay local trust committee web page um the web page is updated

[2:17:31] Voice 13: normally all the time if it's anything unusual you want to update then we could add it i might

[2:17:36] Voice 13: suggest that the toby elliott's office hours be added to the web page i think will

[2:17:40] Voice 3: is already on

[2:17:41] Voice 3: it yeah well just got back and yeah i

[2:17:44] Voice 4: know it's so working together all

[2:17:48] Voice 13: right so we'll move along

[2:17:50] Voice 13: okay here we are now at work program uh page 76 active project report dated march 22nd and then

[2:17:59] Voice 13: of course to come after this is the future projects but is there anything from staff to

[2:18:05] Voice 13: report an active project that you'd like to touch on no and um do you have any questions yeah one

[2:18:11] Voice 13: One

[2:18:11] Voice 3: question, and this is something that I'm always going to be, you know, sort of wanting to know about.

[2:18:18] Voice 3: As soon as the ecological protection zone is completed, then our next project, which is super important, is the Development Approval Information Bylaw.

[2:18:29] Voice 3: And in the active projects list, it says, you know, that it was received in June of 2022.

[2:18:39] Voice 3: I wonder if we have an estimated time on that and who might be responsible for that.

[2:18:46] Voice 3: And it's okay if we don't know, but I thought maybe Sonia might know.

[2:18:51] Voice 3: For the DAI?

[2:18:52] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:18:55] Voice 3: Well, as soon as you've got the space to do that work, that's the point in time that we would then seek confirmation that that's your next minor project.

[2:19:05] Voice 3: We need to request funds from the minor project budget after you identify what the project charter looks like.

[2:19:14] Voice 3: And at that point, the regional planning manager would assign the project to

[2:19:19] Voice 8: It

[2:19:19] Voice 3: could be months from now that you get started.

[2:19:23] Voice 3: So no, there's no sense of who in the northern region would be doing the work.

[2:19:26] Voice 3: But the steps, as far as I understand, are a resolution from the LTC for us to draft the project charter for that project once the ecological protection zone is complete, or really close to completion.

[2:19:41] Voice 3: And once you've endorsed that project charter with the work plan and the budget estimate, that request goes to the director for the funds to be released, and then we can get going.

[2:19:51] Voice 3: Great. That's kind of what I needed.

[2:19:53] Voice 3: Okay. Thank you.

[2:19:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:19:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:19:57] Voice 13: I'm going to ask a question, just approaching that from a slightly different perspective, because it wasn't clear to me earlier, that as we advance this ecological protection zone, in a normal state of affairs, where there are no additional amendments or glitches that come to pass, public hearing, second reading, third reading, and advancing to, it's an OCP, so let's go to the ministry even, what could we anticipate?

[2:20:24] Voice 13: No,

[2:20:25] Voice 3: it's not an official community plan.

[2:20:27] Voice 3: oh

[2:20:27] Voice 13: it says oh speak well but it's no

[2:20:30] Voice 13: designation so it's a land use bylaw so that's perfect then

[2:20:34] Voice 13: so it just has to go to executive committee approved what do you anticipate when it is that

[2:20:38] Voice 13: we might have that slate freed up that we can consider our next so

[2:20:43] Voice 3: after the public hearing

[2:20:44] Voice 3: if the ltc is able to give second and third reading with confidence that there's no further

[2:20:50] Voice 3: amendments and we forward it to ec that's usually the signal that we have that there's now an

[2:20:55] Voice 3: ability for us to look at what's next and we could at that point then um bring forward a draft

[2:21:02] Voice 3: template of a project charter for you to help populate with your intended scope and objectives

[2:21:10] Voice 3: and then

[2:21:10] Voice 3: we can provide budget estimates both in there until we hear back that you see

[2:21:16] Voice 14: so three to six months to the four what do you think um

[2:21:22] Voice 3: steven would know what his timeline is

[2:21:27] Voice 3: sorry this in his report about when that might have been that he was projecting

[2:21:34] Voice 14: but well

[2:21:35] Voice 3: i won't forget about it we know we know that

[2:21:39] Voice 13: i just want to set that expectation

[2:21:41] Voice 3: Yeah, the referrals are 90 days from when they get sent out.

[2:21:47] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:21:48] Voice 13: so then that's three months right there. So

[2:21:50] Voice 13: it's going to be six months.

[2:21:53] Voice 13: Okay, I

[2:21:54] Voice 13: just wanted to set the expectation for that. Is there any other questions on the projects? Anything on future projects?

[2:22:02] Voice 13: You know

[2:22:02] Voice 3: what's coming for that one.

[2:22:03] Voice 3: guess what

[2:22:04] Voice 13: the next meeting

[2:22:06] Voice 3: is

[2:22:07] Voice 13: going to be April

[2:22:09] Voice 13: no May, holy smokes, May 11

[2:22:11] Voice 13: what?

[2:22:12] Voice 3: I thought we had a

[2:22:13] Voice 3: April 20th

[2:22:15] Voice 13: oh

[2:22:15] Voice 3: no that's not

[2:22:16] Voice 3: so that's okay

[2:22:19] Voice 13: so certainly it'll be timely

[2:22:21] Voice 13: to have those APC things coming in

[2:22:23] Voice 3: and

[2:22:26] Voice 13: awesome

[2:22:27] Voice 13: I

[2:22:27] Voice 3: do have one more item

[2:22:29] Voice 3: sorry to backtrack to

[2:22:32] Voice 3: Chadwick's item that she was

[2:22:33] Voice 3: discussing with you but she's asked me to slip in a question whether or not you'd be uh interested

[2:22:39] Voice 3: in passing a resolution to request a quote for the water availability assessment that way we can get

[2:22:43] Voice 3: that work started before your issue oh yes

[2:22:46] Voice 3: so the resolution for that would be um the federal

[2:22:52] Voice 3: analytical committee request staff to prepare a request for quotes for work related to the

[2:23:03] Voice 3: development of a water availability assessment for give a while i would like to move that please

[2:23:09] Voice 3: thank you

[2:23:10] Voice 14: so you'll forward that to tv i

[2:23:14] Voice 3: got it here thank you i'll second that um and so moved

[2:23:18] Voice 13: and seconded any your assistant why you spoke to it earlier

[2:23:22] Voice 3: well i i think it's important to get

[2:23:24] Voice 3: that information because then if we do need to make a business case we have something to go on

[2:23:31] Voice 3: yeah that was yes after we did that this that's what i wanted for the first nations engagement

[2:23:36] Voice 3: coordinator is actually having a quote provided by may so could we do that same resolution

[2:23:43] Voice 3: to ask staff to the quote for first nations coordinator because that will be needed

[2:23:52] Voice 3: yes sorry unless

[2:23:54] Voice 14: we felt that both of

[2:23:54] Voice 3: them were because she'd be working on both

[2:23:56] Voice 3: so you can separate them right so that's so my struggle with understanding all of this is first

[2:24:03] Voice 3: nations engagement is already wrapped up in the preliminary ocp plan for year zero we don't have

[2:24:11] Voice 3: a task or an action associated with finding out how much that's going to cost but at the february

[2:24:17] Voice 3: meeting it was sort of there was a consensus that a first nations engagement coordinator would

[2:24:23] Voice 3: probably need it, be needed, especially given how busy

[2:24:26] Voice 3: Synamic First Nation has been, how hard it is for me to get in

[2:24:30] Voice 3: touch with them, that that work should be provided for early. If

[2:24:35] Voice 3: the budget's been passed, can we not get some quotes out or get

[2:24:39] Voice 3: some idea of who might be available for that work to come

[2:24:45] Voice 3: back in May? I

[2:24:46] Voice 12: think that's a good idea. Can we separate them

[2:24:48] Voice 3: though? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we should deal with this one and

[2:24:51] Voice 12: then talk about that.

[2:24:51] Voice 12: Well, let's deal with this first and

[2:24:53] Voice 12: And I'll make a remark on what I'm thinking with respect to that.

[2:24:57] Voice 13: So we've got a motion that was advanced, and I think Nadine has it.

[2:25:01] Voice 13: And you moved it and seconded it, so I'll call the vote on it.

[2:25:04] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[2:25:04] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:25:05] Voice 3: And thank you to Nadine.

[2:25:08] Voice 3: I mean, sorry, Nerissa and Nadine.

[2:25:10] Voice 3: Thank you to Nerissa for suggesting that.

[2:25:13] Voice 13: So on this topic, I'm in agreement.

[2:25:18] Voice 13: But I think that we're in the process of rehiring the intergovernmental liaison person, and I would like to see that person and that advice come into play and how this is going to roll out across the trust, because

[2:25:38] Voice 15: there's more than one OCP that are in play here.

[2:25:43] Voice 15: But

[2:25:44] Voice 3: there's one nation with rights entitled to Gabriela, and there could be a very specific search for

[2:25:52] Voice 3: somebody who has the experience to engage with Senebuk First Nation.

[2:25:56] Voice 3: And according to our protocol agreement with Senebuk, that is to be done early.

[2:26:02] Voice 13: Yeah, but we might seek advice about how and who to hire.

[2:26:05] Voice 13: i'm

[2:26:06] Voice 3: just concerned that by the time that the secret gets hired and then we get advice they

[2:26:11] Voice 3: get their feet on the ground and then we get advice on who to reach out to it's going to be

[2:26:15] Voice 3: july august october and we won't we'll be out of year zero before we're like i want someone with

[2:26:24] Voice 3: knowledge of where the nation's at to be able to start this process now so that by the time we get

[2:26:30] Voice 3: to writing our charter for the OCP review, they are in process and able to give advice based on

[2:26:37] Voice 3: what is currently on the list of priorities for Santa Ana First Nation. I don't think it can wait

[2:26:44] Voice 3: until later

[2:26:45] Voice 13: on in this year. I guess what I'm thinking about is how do you define the scope

[2:26:49] Voice 13: of work in order to be able to find this person? An

[2:26:53] Voice 3: Indigenous engagement coordinator with

[2:26:56] Voice 3: with relationships to send out First Nation there's going to be a very small net and I believe

[2:27:01] Voice 3: the suggestion was made last time the RDN's Indigenous Engagement Liaison could be asked

[2:27:09] Voice 3: there's also Stephanie Johnson I don't know there's different than sorry through the chair

[2:27:15] Voice 3: this is different than um capacity funding directly to the nation because we yeah it's

[2:27:21] Voice 3: someone to start the engagement process which is already in our $18

[2:27:26] Voice 5: ,000 budget to do.

[2:27:31] Voice 14: Do you have

[2:27:32] Voice 14: any advice about

[2:27:33] Voice 5: that? Things you did so incredibly well on previously.

[2:27:38] Voice 4: Well I mean

[2:27:44] Voice 3: she yeah she would

[2:27:46] Voice 3: need some more information to be able to populate that request for a quote because someone has to

[2:27:53] Voice 3: to come back with a specific amount

[2:27:56] Voice 3: that they need to do the work.

[2:27:58] Voice 3: So the scope of the work needs to be really clear.

[2:28:00] Voice 3: Yeah, that's right.

[2:28:02] Voice 16: So

[2:28:02] Voice 3: without that, which is something that you should look at

[2:28:05] Voice 3: and agree on as a local trust committee,

[2:28:09] Voice 3: I think that would be bringing back to you perhaps

[2:28:13] Voice 3: that that next meeting would be the scope of that duty

[2:28:18] Voice 4: for you to agree so that we can then seek the financial,

[2:28:23] Voice 4: shall go

[2:28:25] Voice 3: through the proper process of tendering that that work out and

[2:28:30] Voice 13: of course what we're

[2:28:31] Voice 13: talking about is budget for next fiscal right yeah

[2:28:33] Voice 3: no no that's right

[2:28:34] Voice 3: for the 18 000 that we

[2:28:36] Voice 13: are the 18 000 we have yeah

[2:28:38] Voice 3: so when the 60 000 business case for our ocp review was budgeted

[2:28:43] Voice 3: that was cut down to 18 000 but first nations engagement is still included so arguably it's

[2:28:49] Voice 3: already the scope of work the question is defining that scope so

[2:28:54] Voice 3: that we can clearly articulate

[2:28:56] Voice 3: who should be applying and then then we get those bids and ask for because we'll have a budget

[2:29:04] Voice 3: i'm just really reluctant to push this off until starting in may it's almost a chicken and egg

[2:29:12] Voice 3: thing isn't it um like we need to know what we're going to ask them yeah to do but we also want them

[2:29:18] Voice 3: right up front so um so can i volunteer to work with narissa and then we do work on a scope of

[2:29:26] Voice 3: work piece and then bring it as an rwm yeah you could do that you could also schedule just an

[2:29:33] Voice 3: electronic special meeting for like an hour i'm looking for committee to work with narissa to do

[2:29:38] Voice 3: that that's a good idea between the meeting schedule um it's a little bit more cumbersome

[2:29:45] Voice 3: But it depends on your level of comfort to have one trustee provide some input and clarity to staff on your behalf and then know that there would be an RWM.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: With, you know, little background information, it's really just a request to confirm what that document will be incorporating in full detail for the scope of the work.

[2:30:13] Voice 3: So, whenever you're comfortable with.

[2:30:14] Voice 3: so

[2:30:15] Voice 13: i like the idea of scheduling a one

[2:30:19] Voice 13: hour special meeting one hour or two hours or whatever

[2:30:21] Voice 13: one hour probably yeah enough

[2:30:24] Voice 13: for two hours that provides opportunity for the ltc to consider

[2:30:28] Voice 13: the scope of work associated with hiring a

[2:30:33] Voice 13: contractor to do personal engagement okay

[2:30:36] Voice 3: okay does

[2:30:37] Voice 13: that sound reasonable i think that's what you're and

[2:30:39] Voice 3: do we want to put a date on it

[2:30:40] Voice 3: like no

[2:30:41] Voice 13: let's stash get over it yeah um

[2:30:43] Voice 13: but obviously prior to the next meeting so sometime

[2:30:47] Voice 3: in

[2:30:47] Voice 13: april great thank

[2:30:48] Voice 3: you so much but

[2:30:49] Voice 13: of course that also has to fit into marissa's work schedule

[2:30:52] Voice 13: i want to get cognizant that

[2:30:54] Voice 3: yes uh

[2:30:55] Voice 13: there are six other ltcs asking her to start running from april

[2:31:01] Voice 13: 1st

[2:31:01] Voice 3: yeah i will be as much a help and not a hindrance as possible

[2:31:05] Voice 12: so somebody want to

[2:31:06] Voice 12: draft a motion that around that idea i

[2:31:09] Voice 3: move that we request that the gabriel lgc committee

[2:31:12] Voice 3: requests that staff schedule a short special meeting to set up the scope of work involved

[2:31:21] Voice 3: with hiring an indigenous engagement coordinator to inform the charter for the ocp review or the

[2:31:33] Voice 3: preliminary ocp review project i'll second that something yeah

[2:31:38] Voice 15: that's close enough

[2:31:39] Voice 15: yeah yeah so

[2:31:42] Voice 15: we'll just make sure the staff have got that

[2:31:43] Voice 17: request staff schedule a short special meeting

[2:31:47] Voice 17: to set up scope of work involved with hiring indigenous to engagement coordinator to inform

[2:31:53] Voice 17: the charter for the preliminary ocp review project

[2:31:56] Voice 14: electronic community

[2:31:58] Voice 17: yeah not short

[2:32:00] Voice 14: not that it won't be but yeah yeah

[2:32:02] Voice 15: okay

[2:32:05] Voice 3: okay

[2:32:06] Voice 15: that's awesome because what if it isn't yeah so

[2:32:08] Voice 15: that's moved and seconded yeah for the discussion that meets your needs all in favor thank you

[2:32:15] Voice 3: thank you thank you okay

[2:32:17] Voice 15: um took

[2:32:19] Voice 3: me three tries but essentially figure out what i'm

[2:32:22] Voice 15: trying to ask

[2:32:23] Voice 15: Brian.

[2:32:27] Voice 16: So I think that does it then. So our next meeting will be electronic special meeting.

[2:32:32] Voice 16: Yeah. And then our next formal

[2:32:36] Voice 13: meeting will be on May the 11th.

[2:32:39] Voice 13: And I hesitated there because I really want to ask you whether or not because other LTs are asking that question of themselves as whether or not we need to meet in person as frequently or not.

[2:32:51] Voice 13: and so I want to

[2:32:53] Voice 13: get a sense of that from you

[2:32:55] Voice 13: whether you want to continue

[2:32:56] Voice 13: I'm content

[2:32:58] Voice 13: that's the

[2:32:59] Voice 3: point of view on this right

[2:33:00] Voice 3: the next one will be at the GAC Hall

[2:33:02] Voice 3: doing a tour

[2:33:05] Voice 3: we're going to the same place

[2:33:07] Voice 3: Heritage Centre

[2:33:08] Voice 3: I think it should be

[2:33:11] Voice 3: in person

[2:33:12] Voice 3: I just

[2:33:14] Voice 13: wanted to ask the question

[2:33:15] Voice 3: you're not that heavily tasked

[2:33:17] Voice 3: you've only got two

[2:33:18] Voice 3: I love coming together

[2:33:20] Voice 13: good

[2:33:20] Voice 3: okay we want it i want you to okay

[2:33:23] Voice 13: okay so then our next meeting will be in person

[2:33:26] Voice 13: on may the 11th and unless there's anything for the business i'd be overjoyed to call

[2:33:31] Voice 13: a meeting attorney yes thank

[2:33:33] Voice 13: you thank you okay

[2:33:34] Voice 15: thank you everybody for joining us today

[2:33:35] Voice 13: and um we'll see you at our next meeting if

[2:33:40] Voice 3: anybody wants a sneak peek of the island's

[2:33:43] Voice 3: trust housing action plan drafted by our incomparable Marissa. It's very draft form,

[2:33:51] Voice 3: so I'm giving her feedback and then I'm bringing it back to RPC. Okay, maybe I'll wait till...

[2:33:56] Voice 3: Yeah, but here is the South Spring Solutions. This was the executive sign of their new white paper.