Islands Trust Council regular meeting, October 10, 2023

[0:00:01] Voice 8: Okay, so I'd like to welcome everyone today to this meeting of the Galeano Islands Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:10] Voice 8: As just mentioned there, this meeting is being recorded and live streamed.

[0:00:14] Voice 8: My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Mesquite Island, and I'm the appointed chair of the Galeano Islands Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:22] Voice 8: with me, our trustees, Ben Maberly, Lisa Gavreau, the planner, Kim Stockdale, and our ABLE staff

[0:00:31] Voice 8: is joining us online to help keep the online parts going and do the minute taking and all

[0:00:37] Voice 8: of that good stuff. And I want to take a moment to acknowledge that we're meeting here on

[0:00:42] Voice 8: the territory of Coast Salish peoples, specifically the Pawtucket Nation. I'm wearing my orange

[0:00:49] Voice 8: shirt today because i honestly think one one day a year is it's not enough um it's the the reality

[0:00:59] Voice 8: for for thousands of people across the country and in bc is is every day so i don't have one shirt

[0:01:08] Voice 8: but i should have more but uh there's no every day is a good day to wear a north shirt so

[0:01:13] Voice 8: So take a moment for that.

[0:01:17] Voice 6: We have an agenda before us.

[0:01:21] Voice 6: And before we get into the approval of the agenda, I have a motion I'd like to propose.

[0:01:29] Voice 8: And this is something we did on Mesquite.

[0:01:31] Voice 8: And I think it's worth doing on probably on every local trust committee.

[0:01:35] Voice 8: So I'll just read out the motion

[0:01:37] Voice 4: and we can go from there.

[0:01:38] Voice 4: So I move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee request staff to add to all future agenda items.

[0:01:44] Voice 4: all future agendas a standing item first nations report and so i'll move that trust second

[0:01:54] Voice 4: seconded by trustee maberly um so just for discussion i think that could be a space where

[0:02:00] Voice 4: if there's members of the nation here that want to report then we've got a space a spot for you

[0:02:06] Voice 4: and if there's things that we've done in our work that are relevant then

[0:02:10] Voice 8: that'll be a good

[0:02:11] Voice 8: spot and just make it part of our normal normal business every time and have that

[0:02:16] Voice 4: space um so any

[0:02:19] Voice 4: discussion no it's a long time coming yeah me

[0:02:22] Voice 4: too uh

[0:02:23] Voice 8: so call the question all those in favor

[0:02:26] Voice 8: and that curious thank you very much um

[0:02:29] Voice 4: so with that is there any additions changes to the agenda

[0:02:34] Voice 6: up from trustees today just where do you want to put that um number five a year or something

[0:02:41] Voice 6: we

[0:02:41] Voice 4: could just do that as we can do it as number two or we can do it as or we can do it as number

[0:02:50] Voice 6: six either one i think it's fine yeah let's

[0:02:55] Voice 6: just you guys have

[0:02:56] Voice 6: a preference we can look at that

[0:02:57] Voice 3: not

[0:02:58] Voice 6: in discussion number six

[0:02:59] Voice 8: number six makes plenty of sense i mean that's that's just fine

[0:03:03] Voice 8: i think that's we're making the space that's the most important part so i'll take it uh by

[0:03:10] Voice 8: consent then the agenda is approved as amended and

[0:03:16] Voice 6: we'll start out with trustee reports who'd

[0:03:19] Voice 6: like to go first lisa uh picture uh since our last meeting i attended trust council over on pender

[0:03:27] Voice 6: island uh it was great to get back to pender it's been a long time since i've been there

[0:03:33] Voice 6: I took my kids with me. I feel very grateful that I'm able to attend these in-person meetings with

[0:03:40] Voice 6: my kids in tow, and that I have the support from staff. I appreciate that a lot. My kids are

[0:03:46] Voice 6: getting to know some of the trustees just as well as I am. The kids and I used the car stop program

[0:03:53] Voice 6: when we were on tender. I was wondering how that program kind of works, and I've been thinking

[0:03:59] Voice 6: about it how it might work here on galley animals i'll be writing a piece in the november at the

[0:04:04] Voice 6: page about our experiences with the car stops um and uh you can check it out and let me know

[0:04:13] Voice 6: if you think it's a good fit for galleon i'd really like to hear your thoughts uh it's going

[0:04:18] Voice 6: to take a lot of community support to get something like that happening over here uh big focus uh tough

[0:04:26] Voice 6: counsel was around the creation of a vision statement. We asked ourselves where are we going

[0:04:32] Voice 6: and why. Thinking about the stress through long-term plans was a great exercise and very helpful for me

[0:04:41] Voice 6: to find that more full-fledged approach rather than any duration of my term.

[0:04:48] Voice 6: For me keywords like relationship, reciprocity, equitability, commitment were on my list.

[0:04:57] Voice 6: in the very end um trust council couldn't decide on a vision statement and uh couldn't come up with

[0:05:04] Voice 6: one uh but we had a very thoughtful and very hard decision about it i'm very curious around

[0:05:11] Voice 6: what the legal galley and i'll say the other stuff that even should be and i would like to

[0:05:16] Voice 6: hear from you on that and um please feel free to reach out to me to discuss it my office hours are

[0:05:22] Voice 6: on Mondays, 9th of November.

[0:05:27] Voice 6: What's the date?

[0:05:28] Voice 6: Last week,

[0:05:29] Voice 6: I attended the Adams Trust Conservancy

[0:05:32] Voice 6: meeting. It was a one-day

[0:05:34] Voice 6: in-person meeting.

[0:05:36] Voice 6: Chair Risa Smith did a wonderful

[0:05:38] Voice 6: job sharing the meeting.

[0:05:39] Voice 6: She gave a run-of-the-mart

[0:05:42] Voice 6: acknowledgement.

[0:05:43] Voice 6: I started the meeting on Friday.

[0:05:46] Voice 6: I wanted to convey my appreciation to the

[0:05:48] Voice 6: Commander-in-Chief for putting herself

[0:05:50] Voice 6: out there and

[0:05:52] Voice 6: really kind of starting our meeting

[0:05:54] Voice 6: going to get uh still learning the ins and outs of the office how that services works uh much

[0:06:01] Voice 6: learning fitting and uh i appreciate all the hard work for the ips ipc staff and the board members

[0:06:09] Voice 6: if that's enough for me great okay

[0:06:12] Voice 7: thanks um yeah to uh attended trust council and like lisa was

[0:06:18] Voice 7: saying the main focus of this trust council was the vision i think

[0:06:23] Voice 6: um you know there's a lot of

[0:06:25] Voice 6: work to be done um certainly a lot more work with regards to the vision or on those nations to be

[0:06:31] Voice 6: done and uh

[0:06:33] Voice 7: and so i thought it was a good decision to uh to not approve a vision and to

[0:06:39] Voice 7: rather look at ways to move ahead and where we can find common ground and um you know there's like i

[0:06:46] Voice 7: say there's a lot of work to do. The second thing I want to talk about is I had the opportunity to

[0:06:53] Voice 7: take DFO for a tour around the Southern Gulf Islands last Monday. The reason for this was

[0:07:00] Voice 7: the growing number of liveaboards that are happening on the water. We had an incident

[0:07:06] Voice 7: in Wannabe Harbor a little over a week ago where one of them sank and there was a spill.

[0:07:12] Voice 7: So it was an interesting VFO came over to Galliano and we left from Montague and sort of toured around the Gulf Islands and ended up in Ganges Harbor.

[0:07:24] Voice 7: I'm not sure how many people understand what's going on, you know, in the bays around here.

[0:07:31] Voice 7: But in Ganges Harbor alone, we estimated there's about 175 to 200 liveaboards in that harbor.

[0:07:38] Voice 7: Right. Throughout the Gulf Islands, we're probably close to 300.

[0:07:42] Voice 7: Now, to put that in perspective,

[0:07:44] Voice 3: there's 400 people living on Stourner, right?

[0:07:48] Voice 3: So, you know, I'm reluctant to call it an issue.

[0:07:54] Voice 7: I'm reluctant to call it a problem.

[0:07:56] Voice 7: It's something that's happening.

[0:07:58] Voice 7: And the reason it's happening is obvious.

[0:08:01] Voice 7: I mean, you know, we're increasingly becoming living in an unimportant society.

[0:08:10] Voice 7: And, you know, this is what people have turned to.

[0:08:13] Voice 7: and so you know it's going to be really interesting to to see how we move ahead we're

[0:08:19] Voice 7: trying to arrange meetings with coast guard and see what their take is on it but um you know it's

[0:08:25] Voice 7: something that's happening in the southern gulf islands and if you look at montague harbour we

[0:08:30] Voice 7: you know i think there's about 10 in montague that's an increase from the year before which

[0:08:37] Voice 7: an increase from the year before so we expect that to continue so when we have topics or

[0:08:45] Voice 7: conversations around housing um you know i think we need to be kind of realistic of

[0:08:51] Voice 7: what's going on out there as well so i just wanted to highlight that this month

[0:08:58] Voice 6: Okay, so next is Chair's report. It was a busy month for me

[0:09:05] Voice 4: last month because of the weather and mechanical issues. I didn't get

[0:09:11] Voice 8: to make it to Pender Island in person, so I had to attend by Zoom, which was not a great experience, I have to say, being that

[0:09:22] Voice 6: most of the meeting was in person.

[0:09:24] Voice 6: the guy on the screen kind of

[0:09:25] Voice 8: forgotten there one of the guys on the screen um as ben mentioned

[0:09:31] Voice 8: lisa mentioned around the vision statement there i think it was i feel like it was the right

[0:09:36] Voice 8: decision to to pause and and really consider um rather than trying to rush into something

[0:09:42] Voice 8: it's supposed to be is a statement of work where the organization is going to go in 100 years i

[0:09:49] Voice 8: I mean, it's supposed to be a long-term thought.

[0:09:51] Voice 8: So I agree that trying to wrap that up

[0:09:56] Voice 8: in a three-hour session is unnecessary haste.

[0:10:03] Voice 8: Attended the Union of BC Municipalities

[0:10:06] Voice 8: in September in Vancouver and Islands Trust.

[0:10:12] Voice 8: We had a breakfast and invited some different members

[0:10:17] Voice 8: of different levels of government.

[0:10:21] Voice 8: So we had some folks from the province there

[0:10:24] Voice 8: and some from the CRD.

[0:10:26] Voice 8: And we had a couple of minister meetings,

[0:10:30] Voice 8: one with municipal affairs and our ask,

[0:10:35] Voice 8: which was basically to meet more often was well-received.

[0:10:42] Voice 8: And we met with the minister of transport

[0:10:46] Voice 8: for and are asked there was to meet more

[0:10:48] Voice 4: often and um to look at the memorandum of understanding

[0:10:53] Voice 4: us trust has with the ministry which says that uh it makes

[0:10:57] Voice 8: provision for a task force

[0:11:00] Voice 8: um and the minister was quite open to in fact he said oh it's there let's do it so that that

[0:11:06] Voice 8: was good he was very open to to establishing a more regular communication basis between

[0:11:12] Voice 8: between Islands Trust and the ministry,

[0:11:14] Voice 8: which of course that's ferries, it's roads.

[0:11:17] Voice 8: It's pretty important

[0:11:18] Voice 6: stuff for all of us on the islands.

[0:11:20] Voice 6: So that was good to see.

[0:11:22] Voice 6: And I think that's what I'll leave my chair's report today.

[0:11:31] Voice 8: Let's always feel free to reach out

[0:11:33] Voice 8: and if you want to talk to me, discuss any issues

[0:11:38] Voice 8: around the Trust area in general,

[0:11:40] Voice 6: or Galleon in particular, I'm happy to talk.

[0:11:47] Voice 8: And so moving on, we have a spot for the Electoral Area Director next, and I don't see him here, and we now have a spot for First Nations reports, so if there's anyone that wants to give the LTC and community update on anything

[0:12:03] Voice 3: to do with First Nations, I see Ken back there.

[0:12:15] Voice 3: just a little date for working

[0:12:19] Voice 6: with the future uh things going on right now we will have the

[0:12:25] Voice 6: chief and council meeting tonight to um do a motion on different projects we got going so

[0:12:31] Voice 6: it's looking positive and just want to go ahead and let them know we're going to do the motion

[0:12:37] Voice 6: get our legal teams up to date and then you know that conversation

[0:12:47] Voice 6: Well, you know, having good bathrooms, you know, a lot of work could be done and it's all new to all of us.

[0:12:53] Voice 6: And we really appreciate the communication and the, you know, the offerings from the island.

[0:13:00] Voice 6: You know, it's awesome. This is our own, you know, north to south.

[0:13:04] Voice 6: I really appreciate your insurance.

[0:13:10] Voice 6: we just got back from

[0:13:13] Voice 6: a gathering in Mission

[0:13:17] Voice 6: First Nations

[0:13:18] Voice 6: First Nations put up

[0:13:20] Voice 6: a gathering

[0:13:21] Voice 6: a funeral ceremony and a memorial

[0:13:24] Voice 6: ceremony for the children

[0:13:26] Voice 6: that didn't make it home

[0:13:28] Voice 6: where their bodies are still up there

[0:13:30] Voice 6: the stories we heard

[0:13:32] Voice 6: was just unbelievable

[0:13:34] Voice 6: one guy's story

[0:13:36] Voice 6: I'll never ever forget

[0:13:38] Voice 6: he talked about how

[0:13:40] Voice 6: How he was the one, when a newborn baby was born,

[0:13:46] Voice 6: he was the one standing by the incinerator

[0:13:49] Voice 6: and then none passed the baby in or put the baby in.

[0:13:56] Voice 6: He doesn't know how many he banned.

[0:13:59] Voice 6: He said he'll never forget that sharp squeal,

[0:14:02] Voice 6: squeak from that baby being thrown in the fire.

[0:14:07] Voice 6: You know, a lot of times I see people going,

[0:14:10] Voice 6: get over it, get over it.

[0:14:12] Voice 6: how do you get over that you know the ripple effect comes down to my generation i realize

[0:14:20] Voice 6: that one's like this is where it's going to stop my family priority is number one my community's

[0:14:27] Voice 6: number one working together with everybody's number one but to establish that communication

[0:14:36] Voice 6: that connection for all of us and to see you know quite a few people recognizing what

[0:14:44] Voice 6: what we went through. Penelope is ground zero for one of these schools

[0:14:50] Voice 6: to have our elders share, I don't like saying stories, I like saying teachings of the area,

[0:15:00] Voice 6: the resources and stuff like that. It's priceless. I'm really honored that some elders talk to me

[0:15:06] Voice 6: all the time share that knowledge so you know all this is why i'm here is to bridge that

[0:15:15] Voice 6: communication for everybody when i when i come to these meetings i think this is the third or

[0:15:20] Voice 6: fourth one and you know the the welcome we get is unreal appreciate it and um to see people

[0:15:28] Voice 6: understanding what we went through you know our elders some of them never said anything

[0:15:34] Voice 6: things. Some of them committed suicide, some of them never made it home. You know, there's

[0:15:39] Voice 6: so many family trees out there with lots of limbs cut off. So just a little bit of a session

[0:15:49] Voice 6: for me to help some people understand that they don't know what's going on. So hopefully

[0:15:55] Voice 6: I quit getting that, get over it. I love asking. Yeah, but there's healing to do before we

[0:16:02] Voice 6: can really sincerely let it go under the bridge right so you know on that part again i'm yakking

[0:16:12] Voice 6: too much but you know i really appreciate your time here and we really appreciate the communication

[0:16:19] Voice 6: that we're establishing now it's a big step forward for our nation or you know when we

[0:16:25] Voice 6: We come to the table, and like I said, our elders are at home all the way around this island. Trails, sacred sites, everyone's sites. They don't want me to carry that

[0:16:40] Voice 3: part, you know, with the liberty.

[0:16:45] Voice 3: and my

[0:16:47] Voice 6: elders want me to pass the message on to you

[0:16:50] Voice 6: for space out the article we posted that they want to be that we'll talk sometimes but

[0:17:00] Voice 6: they definitely want to want me to pass the message on yeah i'll leave it at that um

[0:17:08] Voice 6: thank you for your understanding thank you everybody for being here you know really

[0:17:14] Voice 6: very important things that go on at these tables and i'm really thankful for you that comes here

[0:17:26] Voice 3: dan anyone else want to say anything not sure all right um okay

[0:17:36] Voice 8: so next we have uh the town hall

[0:17:40] Voice 8: questions

[0:17:40] Voice 4: section i'll just remind everyone uh to be concise uh use respectful language

[0:17:49] Voice 4: language and

[0:17:49] Voice 8: speak to the issues uh before the local trust committee um and uh i'll get a show

[0:17:57] Voice 8: of hands and we'll determine how long uh how many people want to speak we'll sort of determine how

[0:18:05] Voice 8: long we're going to give everybody today so let's see a show of hands people want to address

[0:18:10] Voice 3: One, two, three, four, okay, five, okay, let's see what

[0:18:19] Voice 6: we have, okay,

[0:18:21] Voice 8: so I can give, let's go with the three minutes each, and then that should give us time for a second round, if there's anyone who thinks of something while we're on the go, and anyone who needs to add something to their first round, so I'll start in the back at this end here.

[0:18:38] Voice 8: Thank

[0:18:40] Voice 6: you. I just wanted to ask, again, about the recharge EPA proposed bylaws.

[0:18:49] Voice 6: I think it was back in March that they were first proposed.

[0:18:54] Voice 6: And at the time, there was a threat that the community court was exempting from those proposed bylaws.

[0:19:04] Voice 6: So there was an update on I understood that there might be a staff report for this

[0:19:12] Voice 6: meeting on that particular topic.

[0:19:15] Voice 6: So it's pretty appreciated on that particular issue.

[0:19:22] Voice 6: And just

[0:19:24] Voice 3: in light of

[0:19:24] Voice 6: the extreme during the period that we have gone through,

[0:19:29] Voice 6: through and who knows it's wonderful having the rating right now that um it did things to be the

[0:19:34] Voice 6: protection of our water resources just seems to be a very critical subject now whatever can be done

[0:19:42] Voice 6: to protect um these recharge areas thank you thank you thank you chair um I was hoping to get a staff

[0:19:53] Voice 6: report or a memo because we have asked for the information unfortunately due to time restrictions

[0:19:59] Voice 6: i was unable to get um that information on the agenda there's also a number of other items i

[0:20:05] Voice 6: wanted to bring to the ltc's um attention just more so minor technical amendments that could

[0:20:13] Voice 6: be made to those two bylaws for the groundwater project so what i can do is my goal is i can

[0:20:21] Voice 6: provide a verbal update at the november meeting or jennifer you and i will also put a phone call

[0:20:27] Voice 6: over the next week we work through that community forest question together and um after the

[0:20:34] Voice 6: discussions with uh now hit tribe then a staff report will be coming back to the ltc with

[0:20:41] Voice 6: recommended uh amendments to the bylaws and after you do that you can see public but i have noted

[0:20:48] Voice 6: that it's still on the radar and i apologize for getting it on the agenda okay

[0:20:55] Voice 3: thanks for that

[0:20:56] Voice 3: update and

[0:20:56] Voice 6: so moving this way uh

[0:21:00] Voice 3: did it michelle let's see your hand up no no

[0:21:03] Voice 3: okay this gentleman

[0:21:04] Voice 3: here uh i'm

[0:21:08] Voice 6: anthony nolan i uh my wife and i have a property immediately adjacent from the

[0:21:16] Voice 6: Ellis Roadside to DL14. I had a chat to Kim who as usual was helpful but I just want to give some

[0:21:25] Voice 6: notice that when I read the rezoning of District Block 14 I note that a suggestion has been made

[0:21:35] Voice 6: that the emergency road be created over district block 14 and then onto our

[0:21:46] Voice 6: easements. There are four property owners in our easement and I'm speaking on behalf of three of

[0:21:52] Voice 6: them. We have a lot of problems especially in the summer with people accessing our road.

[0:22:00] Voice 6: There is camping on our property, there is a large park there, there is a litter everywhere

[0:22:09] Voice 6: in the summer and what we fear is the spectre of changing the easements, which are basically

[0:22:19] Voice 6: private property, onto public access and the increase in problems with that.

[0:22:26] Voice 6: As regards possible solutions, we note on the maps provided with the agenda

[0:22:33] Voice 4: that DL14

[0:22:35] Voice 4: does have direct access to Corbury Pass Road.

[0:22:40] Voice 4: Second would be, I understand

[0:22:43] Voice 6: that there is some public land adjacent to Pinwood Lake.

[0:22:51] Voice 6: the other possibility would be to go the other side of the lake, get over that

[0:22:58] Voice 6: prime line, that's it, and access Ellis Road above the area of high traffic over so many

[0:23:08] Voice 6: outages and above the access to Morning Beach. That would seem much more preferable to the idea

[0:23:20] Voice 6: the idea of going over our land.

[0:23:23] Voice 6: So just to let you know in advance

[0:23:26] Voice 6: that if this suggestion is pursued,

[0:23:29] Voice 6: that there might be some,

[0:23:32] Voice 6: in fact, there will be some local resistance to it.

[0:23:35] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:23:37] Voice 6: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:23:40] Voice 6: And still moving this way.

[0:23:43] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:23:43] Voice 6: Yes.

[0:23:47] Voice 6: And.

[0:23:52] Voice 6: i'm speaking to development in the forest zone, in particular, and in the development of the island in general.

[0:24:04] Voice 6: we're all here to preserve and protect the.

[0:24:08] Voice 6: the amenities from global development pressures.

[0:24:12] Voice 5: I'd like to read the object of the trust

[0:24:15] Voice 5: just because it's something we don't hear very often

[0:24:18] Voice 5: and what you've been talking about changing without success.

[0:24:23] Voice 5: The object of the trust is to preserve

[0:24:25] Voice 5: and to protect the trust area and its, sorry,

[0:24:32] Voice 5: and the unique amenities and environment

[0:24:35] Voice 5: environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of BC in cooperation

[0:24:45] Voice 5: with municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts, First Nations, other persons and

[0:24:54] organizations and

[0:24:56] Voice 5: the government of British Columbia.

[0:24:58] Voice 5: It is clear that there's an order to this, and the first order is the residents.

[0:25:07] Voice 5: We, the residents, are the ones who are sympathetic and sensitive to the amenities here.

[0:25:15] Voice 5: And everybody in this room, if they live here, is likely interested in supporting the object for their own benefit.

[0:25:26] Voice 5: it and that the trustees are here to functionally represent this object with respect to our

[0:25:36] Voice 5: community plan and our community plan has a road network plan mr

[0:25:44] Voice 6: nolan is speaking to development

[0:25:47] Voice 6: by easement in a forest zone that was highly,

[0:25:53] Voice 5: shall we say, disencouraged because the first

[0:26:01] Voice 5: forest was Mr. Mignone's and his development hinged on easement and the trust refused and

[0:26:13] Voice 5: and refused for 20 years

[0:26:17] Voice 5: until the benefits of his donations to the park land,

[0:26:22] Voice 5: among other things, allowed his and only his development

[0:26:26] Voice 5: because his application preceded all of the bylaws.

[0:26:32] Voice 5: All

[0:26:34] Voice 3: other applications in the Forest Somme

[0:26:39] Voice 3: were introduced

[0:26:41] Voice 5: after the

[0:26:42] Voice 6: introduction of the bylaws,

[0:26:44] Voice 6: which prohibited development by easement only.

[0:26:52] Voice 6: So I've heard the alarm and hope that you can represent

[0:27:01] Voice 6: the object of the trust with respect to the laws,

[0:27:07] Voice 6: including the, shall

[0:27:09] Voice 3: we say the council, sorry.

[0:27:17] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you.

[0:27:18] Voice 3: And just so

[0:27:20] Voice 8: because I think that what we might have said earlier might have been a little bit confused, just so that I'm clarifying for you and for everybody that the object of the trust isn't what trust council was looking at coming up with a vision statement, which is actually a different thing.

[0:27:37] Voice 8: the object is actually provided by the province and the only amendment that's been made to that

[0:27:44] Voice 8: was actually fairly fairly recently and that was the addition of first nations to the section that

[0:27:50] Voice 8: says in cooperation with so that's actually the object is owned by the province what trust

[0:27:55] Voice 8: council is looking at is is a vision statement as i said long term into the future just point

[0:28:01] Voice 8: of clarification um and

[0:28:05] Voice 4: did i see some more hands jane um

[0:28:08] Voice 6: i just wanted to make a short comment on

[0:28:13] Voice 6: loss which is at the granular sustainability uh well and just a bit this law states that

[0:28:21] Voice 6: plan by a person of the federal indigenous status living in their traditional territory

[0:28:30] Voice 6: It would not

[0:28:31] Voice 6: require a development permit for development in your ground level recharge

[0:28:34] Voice 6: area.

[0:28:36] Voice 3: I

[0:28:36] Voice 6: think that it would be a very serious mistake by the local trust committee to be looking

[0:28:45] Voice 6: at developing bylaws that would refer to a specific person or group of persons as opposed

[0:28:53] Voice 6: to the land.

[0:28:53] Voice 6: I mean, I think that we're well aware that these sites were looked after by indigenous people since time immemorial.

[0:29:01] Voice 6: And their stewardship far exceeded, hasn't exceeded what we need.

[0:29:06] Voice 6: I think that it sort of gives the impression that indigenous people want to be exempt from this.

[0:29:16] Voice 6: so i don't know i mean it's just very confusing and i think it would set um kind of a precedent

[0:29:25] Voice 6: that would be uh wait i don't think this is a question maybe perhaps

[0:29:31] Voice 6: okay is there anyone else uh michelle and then i'll get you back here

[0:29:40] Voice 6: i would find those statements sort of colonial and i'll leave it at that

[0:29:48] Voice 6: okay thank you and then in the back here yes i would like to

[0:29:52] Voice 6: to comment also on the section for indigenous

[0:30:00] Voice 6: people in Milo to everything. I read the legal

[0:30:04] Voice 6: advice and what is in summary but what it doesn't

[0:30:11] Voice 6: say is the development of permit area is about water and water is essential

[0:30:20] Voice 6: for all of us to live on the island and for all of me living on the island and I think

[0:30:28] Voice 6: is not only should be granted an exception

[0:30:32] Voice 6: of this development permit area

[0:30:35] Voice 6: because of the nature of the development permit area

[0:30:39] Voice 6: that is the water.

[0:30:40] Voice 6: And if you really opt to be in the value of it,

[0:30:44] Voice 6: say you can ensure an adequate supply

[0:30:47] Voice 6: of potable fresh water to all users

[0:30:50] Voice 6: now and into the future.

[0:30:53] Voice 6: This is for everybody.

[0:30:55] Voice 6: It doesn't matter who.

[0:30:56] Voice 6: who they

[0:30:57] Voice 3: don't think to grant privilege if forward okay and is there anyone else that wants to

[0:31:09] Voice 6: address the local trust committee for the bond hey not seeing any more hands uh we'll move on

[0:31:18] Voice 6: to we have no

[0:31:23] Voice 4: community information public hearing today so we have the minutes for adoption on page

[0:31:29] Voice 4: page 3. anything to the minutes trustees nope oh wait maybe no

[0:31:37] Voice 6: I don't think I could stop checking

[0:31:39] Voice 6: nope okay uh

[0:31:41] Voice 4: then I'll take it by general consent we'll adopt the minutes of September 12th as

[0:31:47] Voice 4: presented and

[0:31:49] Voice 6: we have uh the resolutions

[0:31:53] Voice 4: without meeting report there is none and we have some

[0:31:57] Voice 4: advisory planning commission nope stated september 7th anything on that from anyone

[0:32:05] Voice 6: i'll just know that i appreciate it to get the

[0:32:07] Voice 8: update and i know we're going to hear more from

[0:32:09] Voice 8: them down the road here so that's great

[0:32:12] Voice 4: on page nine we have the follow-up action list

[0:32:17] Voice 4: anything from staff on that yeah

[0:32:19] Voice 6: thank you chair i'm happy to provide just a few updates here

[0:32:23] Voice 6: the first one is in regards to the groundwater sustainability project i did have an opportunity

[0:32:29] Voice 6: to meet with members of the coast salish peoples of galliano society and also a member of the

[0:32:36] Voice 6: georgia sea family to discuss the the project and give some more of the initial comments and

[0:32:41] Voice 6: then a more formal workflow go out to them i also provided both groups with information

[0:32:50] Voice 6: on district law 85 and 86 and I just wanted to note in the activity under July 11th of this year

[0:33:00] Voice 6: it's number one on one and two this is page 10 of the agenda it says that early engagement letters

[0:33:08] Voice 6: should be sent to First Nations to provide further information on on essentially the application

[0:33:15] Voice 6: and those have been held off um as we were waiting for scheduling a meeting with penelaket but at

[0:33:22] Voice 6: this time since we're getting near to that i think it's my priority to get those letters out this

[0:33:27] Voice 6: week and um i just wanted to ask the ltc if there's anything else you'd like me to include

[0:33:33] Voice 6: in this letter um i will also have robin kefi's help with dropping the letter as well but those

[0:33:41] Voice 6: will be going out this week is my hope and i believe that is those are my only updates at the

[0:33:50] Voice 6: time okay um the only thing i would say

[0:33:54] Voice 4: about those letters is that uh we did get some legal

[0:34:00] Voice 4: advice on the potential of uh of lab transfer and just whatever that a summary of that information

[0:34:07] Voice 4: would be a good thing to include in those letters so that that's

[0:34:10] Voice 6: clear on that process

[0:34:12] Voice 6: us uh can work legally um yeah i appreciate that yeah i just think that seems like a good thing to

[0:34:20] Voice 6: make really clear in there absolutely anything from trustees on that follow-up action list

[0:34:27] Voice 6: okay all

[0:34:29] Voice 3: right then we'll move along to

[0:34:37] Voice 3: uh we

[0:34:40] Voice 6: have no delegations correspondents

[0:34:43] Voice 8: today um seemed a little bit early for a meeting break

[0:34:49] Voice 4: uh so that takes us right to applications and referrals on page 12 they have a staff

[0:34:55] Voice 8: report on

[0:34:56] Voice 8: a 14

[0:34:57] Voice 6: .1 uh uh development variance program and is that going to be you kim today

[0:35:05] Voice 6: oh there it

[0:35:09] Voice 6: is yep hello

[0:35:10] Voice 2: hi

[0:35:14] Voice 3: hey

[0:35:16] Voice 2: you ready yes

[0:35:17] Voice 4: please okay

[0:35:18] Voice 2: um good afternoon

[0:35:20] Voice 2: noon um so this application before you so gl dvp 2023 i believe 0.2 i hit the dp at one point let

[0:35:30] Voice 2: me just see here um yeah 0.2 um this application seeking to permit the existing siting of two

[0:35:39] Voice 2: buildings uh dwelling which is called waterside and a cottage which is called 39 steps uh the

[0:35:45] Voice 2: two buildings predate zoning and now that the applicants are seeking to expand their respective

[0:35:52] Voice 2: floor areas they're seeking a variance so look watersides located nearest to the shoreline

[0:35:59] Voice 2: and it's 1.4 meters or 4.75 feet from the interior side lot line and 0.9 meters or 2.3 feet

[0:36:08] Voice 2: from the natural boundary of the sea 39 steps is cited 0.7 meters or 2.3 feet from

[0:36:16] Voice 2: the interior side lot line um a development permit uh development area permit a development

[0:36:22] Voice 2: permit area application was required for waterside as it is cited within um dpa5 so sensitive

[0:36:28] Voice 2: ecosystems and then dpa2 shoreline and marine um and that permit was approved for issuance by the

[0:36:34] Voice 2: director of planning um and the applicant who should be there today right now dave um was

[0:36:39] Voice 2: notified that the work was uh was authorized the work authorized by the dp so the tree removal for

[0:36:45] Voice 2: example can only commence prior to ltc considering the variance application during the notification

[0:36:53] Voice 2: period for this meeting one submission was received from a neighbor regarding the preference

[0:36:58] Voice 2: for a flat roof design for waterside and so an attachment for of the staff report it shows

[0:37:04] Voice 2: elevation plans and that the that it is a flat roof design for waterside and then the prop i

[0:37:12] Voice 2: I just wanted to note that the property owners have been very receptive to neighborhood feedback.

[0:37:17] Voice 2: And so the original proposed roof height for Waterside has been reduced from 6.27 meters or 20.6 feet to 5.84 meters or 19.16 feet.

[0:37:29] Voice 2: And just as a note, the maximum roof height for dwellings in the SLR, the small lot residential zone is 9 meters or 29.5 feet.

[0:37:39] Voice 2: um so there's an additional uh pre-existing non-conforming dwelling on the property

[0:37:45] Voice 2: had north house uh on the opposite of poor layer pass road um and there's long-term renters that

[0:37:52] Voice 2: live in that in that dwelling and they've supplied a letter of support for this application

[0:37:56] Voice 2: and there are no alterations or expansions to the dwelling proposed um so the applicant is

[0:38:04] Voice 2: at the meeting should you have any questions for him and the application as proposed is supported

[0:38:09] Voice 2: by staff okay

[0:38:12] Voice 6: thank you for that um applicant here did

[0:38:17] Voice 4: you want to add anything to that or

[0:38:19] Voice 4: take questions or um

[0:38:21] Voice 6: this this application was supposed to come in september um but didn't because

[0:38:27] Voice 6: the the neighbor was had some concerns about the original pipe but that was proposed on the

[0:38:34] Voice 6: building so when he went back and we redesigned it and dropped it dropped the building down

[0:38:39] Voice 6: closer to the ground and put a black roof on it so that it was so the neighbors so we are trying

[0:38:47] Voice 6: to do things so to make that to make it more amenable if there's any questions great and

[0:38:56] Voice 6: trustees any questions for staff or the applicant here i think the neighbor is here too yeah

[0:39:04] Voice 6: Well,

[0:39:07] Voice 7: Dave is correct. We did ask for, or I discussed the design with Reliance and they

[0:39:16] Voice 7: were willing to make some adjustments to the design. So one of them was lowering the building

[0:39:22] Voice 7: to break,

[0:39:23] Voice 6: eliminating crawl

[0:39:24] Voice 5: space. Dave estimated a fairly hefty additional cost to that. The

[0:39:31] Voice 5: The change in height was only about a 17 inch difference.

[0:39:34] Voice 5: So I did set in lines for

[0:39:38] Voice 7: all the expense,

[0:39:39] Voice 7: it's really inconsequential to

[0:39:42] Voice 6: add a second story

[0:39:43] Voice 6: and have it 17 inches lower, that really doesn't matter.

[0:39:48] Voice 6: So my correspondence with Diamond's Trust

[0:39:53] Voice 6: was that if this proposal clears all the other hurdles,

[0:39:59] Voice 6: development permit planning geotechnical etc my preference would be the

[0:40:06] Voice 3: plant roof design

[0:40:06] Voice 6: without lowering the structure to grade okay that's it thank you trustee any any questions

[0:40:16] Voice 6: planners for the planner applicant or comments wow

[0:40:22] Voice 6: Well, typically my first question was, you know, what is the extra space for?

[0:40:31] Voice 6: I realize that the dwelling is quite small, and it's just going to be additional living space for the homeowners.

[0:40:41] Voice 6: There's not going to be extra bedrooms, extra density added to it.

[0:40:47] Voice 6: So, the large side cabin now is a two-bedroom cabin.

[0:40:52] Voice 6: The two bedrooms in the back are going to go upstairs in the larger area.

[0:41:03] Voice 6: So, it still maintains the two bedrooms.

[0:41:07] Voice 6: The cabin has been changed.

[0:41:10] Voice 6: It's also two bedrooms.

[0:41:11] Voice 6: It stays two bedrooms.

[0:41:13] Voice 6: That's going to change.

[0:41:14] Voice 1: change.

[0:41:14] Voice 6: I did have this. He doesn't need to change anything down by the water site. The

[0:41:24] Voice 6: tanks that are there now stay as is. The field, which is up top, is fine, but most of what

[0:41:30] Voice 6: he asked, because the field was done years ago, the field would have to be upgraded.

[0:41:35] Voice 6: But nothing needs to be changed down by the water. So the water level is not going to

[0:41:41] Voice 6: change.

[0:41:42] Voice 6: sorry planner yeah and

[0:41:45] Voice 2: just as like david mentioned um this was something that was brought

[0:41:48] Voice 2: up that that comment um that you made lisa was brought up uh with uh the director of planning

[0:41:53] Voice 2: um and so we yeah we had that checked um just like david described and um that was included in the

[0:41:58] Voice 2: comments for the development permit um yeah that because he had been concerned well is there going

[0:42:03] Voice 2: to be additional bedrooms um on the water side and what does that mean for the septic so yeah we

[0:42:09] Voice 2: we made sure to ask Dave any

[0:42:13] Voice 6: other questions or comments no

[0:42:18] Voice 7: I mean I went out and looked

[0:42:20] Voice 7: at a sort of view of the site you know the overall footprint wasn't changing which is what I was

[0:42:29] Voice 7: you know kind of interested in it was nice to have a discussion with Ian and sort of get some

[0:42:34] Voice 7: of the concerns and how they sort of work through those concerns there's some spot where it looks

[0:42:39] Voice 7: like it's you know everybody's on site um so um yeah i'm comfortable to make a motion to

[0:42:48] Voice 7: afford the recommendation

[0:42:49] Voice 6: that's just one question um in this in regards to ian's college as the

[0:42:58] Voice 6: person that's probably building a place. I just like to know, like, you know, now that that was

[0:43:04] Voice 6: me, right? It'd be good if there was a height, you know, like, I don't want to just, like,

[0:43:12] Voice 6: Ian said, well, I don't care whether it was 17 inches higher. I mean, I would like, I would like

[0:43:17] Voice 6: to meet a height that's, whether it's the one that's in Atlanta, the one that's, but just so

[0:43:23] Voice 6: that there isn't at a later date, something that comes back, you know, from zoning or whatever,

[0:43:29] Voice 6: and says well you're over the height and so if there is a height that we're hitting i want to

[0:43:34] Voice 6: make sure to keep everybody happy that we're at that height and like i say i don't need that

[0:43:41] Voice 6: answer now but it would be helpful if it was yeah

[0:43:46] Voice 2: it complies uh the maximum height is nine meters

[0:43:48] Voice 2: and you're well below that yeah

[0:43:52] Voice 6: no i know but i want to keep trying to try to make sure that

[0:43:59] Voice 6: I mean, I don't want to go over the nine meters, but there's a height that's showing on those plans now, and are we going to fight to that height? Because how are we going to handle it is what I would think.

[0:44:14] Voice 6: Oh,

[0:44:14] Voice 2: sorry. Sorry, I didn't hear you. So the height that is shown in the permit should be what, so the 5.8 meters is what should be the maximum height that's constructed. I mean, this is a variance for siting, but yeah, it should

[0:44:38] Voice 2: substantively be consistent with what's shown in the permit.

[0:44:41] Voice 2: If Kim had anything to add.

[0:44:43] Voice 2: no that you've

[0:44:44] Voice 6: you've uh mentioned what i was going to say on page 36 of the agenda where the

[0:44:50] Voice 6: draft uh variance permit um is shown under 2c it says the development shall be consistent with

[0:44:59] Voice 6: schedules a and b which are attached to to inform part of the permit and part of those schedules

[0:45:05] Voice 6: actually state the height so yes the the applicant and property owner would have to abide by that

[0:45:10] Voice 6: hit height in the permit and

[0:45:13] Voice 7: it was my sort of understanding making the recommendation that that

[0:45:17] Voice 7: that would be you know if we go by the drawings that were in there that's right

[0:45:26] Voice 7: out and we'll trust committee approve issuance of draft development variance permit application

[0:45:31] Voice 7: on jail bdp that's 2023.2 foster

[0:45:37] Voice 6: and any further discussion all the questions all in favor

[0:45:44] Voice 6: and motion carries great so that takes us to 14.2 on page 42 and i believe this is planner belcher

[0:45:55] Voice 6: joining us online yep

[0:45:57] Voice 1: hello hello

[0:45:58] Voice 6: so

[0:46:00] Voice 1: yeah this is for uh variants for uh file number uh gl dvp

[0:46:06] Voice 1: 2023.3 um so the property owners are seeking a variance to uh the existing dwelling deck and

[0:46:16] Voice 1: solar panel all for siting um so the dwelling is located within the side lot setback which is

[0:46:23] Voice 1: is six meters. And it's within 1.42 meters of the lot line. The deck is within the natural

[0:46:31] Voice 1: boundary setback, which is 7.5 meters. And it's within 3.6 meters from the natural boundary.

[0:46:38] Voice 1: And the solar panel structure is within both the side and natural boundary setbacks, 3.6 meters

[0:46:47] Voice 1: from the natural boundary setback the same as the deck and 2.65 meters from the interior lot

[0:46:55] Voice 1: setback so the dwelling was built in 1975 along with the deck and there's been no changes to the

[0:47:03] Voice 1: dwelling but the deck was replaced in 19 or in 2006 but it was rebuilt in the same footprint

[0:47:09] Voice 1: print. The solar panel was built in 2004. And so the owners purchased this property last year,

[0:47:17] Voice 1: and they're seeking a variance to legalize the siting so that they can apply for a building

[0:47:22] Voice 1: permit for an addition and alteration to the dwelling on the rear half of the

[0:47:30] Voice 1: building. And it wouldn't increase any footprint of the building. It's all a lower floor addition.

[0:47:40] Voice 1: So, the notice was mailed out on September 18th, and the notice period ended on September 29th.

[0:47:47] Voice 1: There was nine submissions in support of the application.

[0:47:52] Voice 1: So, yeah, based on all of the information, staff is recommending an approval of the variance to bring the deck, dwelling, and solar panel into compliance,

[0:48:03] Voice 1: based on the fact that the existing dwelling location is reasonable, given that it was built in 1975.

[0:48:10] Voice 1: and that it would be difficult to relocate

[0:48:14] Voice 1: without impacting the development permit area

[0:48:19] Voice 1: that's on the property, the sensitive ecosystems DPA.

[0:48:24] Voice 1: And the existing deck location is considered reasonable

[0:48:28] Voice 1: given the 1975 construction

[0:48:30] Voice 1: and that no further expansion took place in 2006.

[0:48:35] Voice 1: And the solar panel is considered reasonable

[0:48:37] Voice 1: given the location does not extend further

[0:48:40] Voice 1: further than the dwelling or the deck into either setback.

[0:48:44] Voice 1: And given that the property is on Wise Island,

[0:48:50] Voice 1: which is an off-grid island with limited energy options,

[0:48:55] Voice 1: it seems reasonable that solar panel should be placed

[0:48:58] Voice 1: in a location that it can receive the greatest

[0:49:02] Voice 1: amount of sunlight for energy purposes.

[0:49:06] Voice 1: So, yeah.

[0:49:08] Voice 6: okay thank you for that

[0:49:09] Voice 4: that's the applicant here today

[0:49:12] Voice 4: and did you want to add anything to that before we answer questions

[0:49:16] Voice 4: how does the body team want to know

[0:49:17] Voice 6: if i was just trying to bring it up to code

[0:49:22] Voice 6: we're just trying to get a building project and that's it

[0:49:26] Voice 6: okay trustees any questions for planner or the applicant no i went over and

[0:49:32] Voice 7: took a look um this

[0:49:33] Voice 7: we did one last uh meeting that was probably more challenging than this one is and this one's

[0:49:39] Voice 7: pretty straightforward so uh i'm prepared to accept the recommendation yeah

[0:49:44] Voice 6: i'm not seeing

[0:49:44] Voice 6: any concerns here okay someone like to make the motion i will

[0:49:53] Voice 6: i move

[0:49:54] Voice 6: that the galliano island local trust committee approved

[0:49:58] Voice 6: to develop a variance permit application glvp 2023 23. so moved seconded any further discussion

[0:50:10] Voice 6: all the questions all those in favor and that carries thank you so much thank you

[0:50:17] Voice 6: and so that brings us to 14.3 on page 72 and i think this is planner's cocktail now should i

[0:50:29] Voice 6: suggest a break for this right now because this may take a few minutes to go through would you

[0:50:34] Voice 6: like to have a break afterwards justine

[0:50:36] Voice 8: should we have a little break now okay okay uh

[0:50:44] Voice 6: we'll

[0:50:51] Voice 3: do

[1:04:19] Voice 3: please and just check in uh down

[1:04:23] Voice 4: there at the office you folks can hear us good yes thanks

[1:04:27] Voice 6: okay excellent all right so we're on page 72 but i think it's planner's coffee over here

[1:04:36] Voice 6: thank you chair uh this staff report is to provide further information to the galley

[1:04:42] Voice 6: the MOLTC regarding the rezoning of district lot 14. There's also a draft terms of reference

[1:04:51] Voice 6: attached to the staff report. There is a draft land use bylaw and the staff report also addresses

[1:04:59] Voice 6: some of those items the MOLTC will infer to John. In the staff report I put together a table

[1:05:07] Voice 6: of the applicable OCP policies and how the application

[1:05:13] Voice 6: applies to these policies.

[1:05:15] Voice 6: I just wanted to note that for the LTC's consideration.

[1:05:21] Voice 6: So in terms of the draft bylaw, it's just that.

[1:05:24] Voice 6: It's just draft format, and this is just for the LTC

[1:05:27] Voice 6: to take a look at it to see what potentially,

[1:05:30] Voice 6: if this application is more in its reading,

[1:05:33] Voice 6: what it may look like.

[1:05:34] Voice 6: um i just wanted to point out a few things so on page 85 um at the agenda this is chopped by law

[1:05:43] Voice 6: 291 it states there under 7.3.8 that the majority of the property would be resolved to a site

[1:05:54] Voice 6: specific force 3 f3a and that every a site specific zone would allow four except three

[1:06:02] Voice 6: or tour dwelling units accessory to timber production and harvesting pieces with a maximum

[1:06:08] Voice 6: floor area and then in terms of the that smaller portion that's going to potentially be reserved

[1:06:15] Voice 6: for forest industrial um what i did was i created a new zone copied and pasted all the uses and the

[1:06:24] Voice 6: siting regulations the only thing i didn't include was that one accessory dwelling so that's one

[1:06:30] Voice 6: one thing to know in that site specific forest industrial zone the one thing that is different

[1:06:36] Voice 6: is there's no accessory dwelling unit use so in terms of the ocp schedules uh c and e that's the

[1:06:46] Voice 6: road network plan and the multi purpose proposed multi-use trail plan um staff um planning manager

[1:06:58] Voice 6: Robert Kojima did meet with CRD staff last week to have an initial discussion regarding potential

[1:07:05] Voice 6: trails or potential emergency access. CRD staff they weren't necessarily enthusiastic of the

[1:07:14] Voice 6: proposals but they would have to send the application to the fire department for comment

[1:07:19] Voice 6: and also the CRD Parks and Rec for comments. In terms of emergency access they mentioned that

[1:07:28] Voice 6: there is emergency access up to the west on six allison road from the previous rezoning for your

[1:07:34] Voice 6: bright stevens and they did also express some concern with the public trails

[1:07:42] Voice 6: formalizing that access across the pc hydro um a lot so crd staff did recommend also sending

[1:07:50] Voice 6: vending this to BC Water, BC Hydro to get some additional comments from them.

[1:07:54] Voice 6: In terms of the four properties and boiler pass road to have upper access to those four lots,

[1:08:04] Voice 6: there is a creek that bisects those properties and there's also wetland and right period ecosystem.

[1:08:14] Voice 6: So there is a concern that if access is given to the upper portion of those lots,

[1:08:18] Voice 6: that it may impact the sensitive ecosystems.

[1:08:23] Voice 6: Again, when we're reviewing conditions for rezoning,

[1:08:26] Voice 6: the intent is to determine,

[1:08:29] Voice 6: is this condition a community benefit?

[1:08:33] Voice 6: So if this is something the LTC would like to pursue,

[1:08:36] Voice 6: is this a benefit to just those four properties

[1:08:39] Voice 6: or is there a community benefit

[1:08:41] Voice 6: for Galliano property owners in general

[1:08:46] Voice 6: to have that access to the upper properties.

[1:08:51] Voice 6: It would be hard to determine what the community benefit would be for this condition.

[1:08:59] Voice 6: In terms of affordable housing, there is a OCP policy that states that when the LTC is

[1:09:08] Voice 6: considering a reselling application where an increase in density is proposed, that the

[1:09:15] Voice 6: the LTC may require a portion of that land

[1:09:20] Voice 6: to be rezoned in community housing if deemed suitable,

[1:09:24] Voice 6: if deemed suitable for the purpose by the LTC.

[1:09:28] Voice 6: So again, this is an item that the LTC may have to determine

[1:09:33] Voice 6: if this area is deemed suitable for community housing.

[1:09:37] Voice 6: I should mention that all previous rezonings

[1:09:41] Voice 6: from Forest 1 to Forest 3 haven't included a condition for community housing. The condition

[1:09:47] Voice 6: for rezoning is to provide a sustainable forestry covenant so they ultimately would have to also

[1:09:54] Voice 6: have some kind of rationale why this application in particular would be required to meet that

[1:10:01] Voice 6: condition even though other forests or F3 rezonings did not. And again in terms of First

[1:10:09] Voice 6: nations engagement i did meet with coast salish peoples of galliano society and a member of the

[1:10:14] Voice 6: georgeson family and just gave them some information on this property um when this

[1:10:20] Voice 6: application moves forward there will also be a formal referral sent out to nations and also the

[1:10:27] Voice 6: society and a member and members of the georges family as mentioned the terms of reference attached

[1:10:33] Voice 6: I just highlighted some of the major points of information that will be required by the applicant.

[1:10:40] Voice 6: If there's anything that the LTC would like to add, this is certainly the time to do that.

[1:10:46] Voice 6: So, as I mentioned, in terms of reference, the applicant's going to have to must provide a developable area site plan.

[1:10:54] Voice 6: This will be attached to the draft LDC amendment bylaw, a hydro geologist groundwater assessment, septic servicing information, the sample forest covenants, and again the possibility for emergency access of public trail based on the CRD recommendations and also based on comments from BC Hydro.

[1:11:17] Voice 6: So at this time, our staff are not providing a recommendation to the LTC.

[1:11:23] Voice 6: This is just a staff report to give the LTC information.

[1:11:26] Voice 6: I did list alternatives for the LTC to consider, and that's to either amend the terms of reference,

[1:11:33] Voice 6: to add items or to remove items, to request further information,

[1:11:38] Voice 6: to send this application to the Galliano APC for certain comments,

[1:11:43] Voice 6: and also the last one there is to deny the application.

[1:11:46] Voice 6: the applicants are here if their ltc has any questions and i'm happy to answer any questions

[1:11:51] Voice 6: okay thank you um where do you want to start the applicant would you like to add anything

[1:11:59] Voice 6: or should we go to questions first or uh thank you for the update a lot of work so far uh at

[1:12:06] Voice 6: this moment no i think we should let this application just uh keep running its course

[1:12:11] Voice 7: hey christy maybe yeah i have a few comments um so i thanks kim i really appreciate the work put

[1:12:17] Voice 7: into this staff report i mean it clarifies some issues um and and it provides some understanding

[1:12:26] Voice 7: of why you know um i'm going to withdraw a couple of things that i asked for before

[1:12:32] Voice 7: we got the information on it access to those sort of properties it's understandable going

[1:12:39] Voice 7: through a wetland that um building you know or continuing to build that road even though the

[1:12:44] Voice 7: road already existed at one time it does go through a wetland and I'm not sure that that's

[1:12:49] Voice 7: a practical solution for those properties so I'm fine with that sort of going by the wayside

[1:12:59] Voice 7: the other thing

[1:13:00] Voice 7: is the affordable housing requirement I mean Kim's made it pretty clear

[1:13:05] Voice 7: in here there's no reason the applicant should provide this the reality is on Galliano we've got

[1:13:11] Voice 7: but two affordable housing projects moving ahead with no end in sight for

[1:13:18] Voice 7: either one of

[1:13:19] Voice 7: those. So what's the purpose of adding another, right?

[1:13:25] Voice 7: So I'm not sure that there's any, any point in going forward asking for that,

[1:13:29] Voice 7: but that's, you know, at least you can, you can comment on that.

[1:13:34] Voice 7: And I'm just good to see it going to preliminary First Nations consultant,

[1:13:38] Voice 7: right? I mean, we started that process. Let's,

[1:13:41] Voice 7: carry on. And so I'm with you, Lisa, let's let this application proceed. And hopefully we'll get

[1:13:50] Voice 7: to group reading and First

[1:13:52] Voice 6: Nations consultation

[1:13:54] Voice 3: fairly quickly. Okay, anything further?

[1:14:02] Voice 6: And then so just a point of clarification from staff at this point, there's no decision.

[1:14:09] Voice 6: I'm not hearing anything from trustees in terms of asking any further information or anything like

[1:14:14] Voice 6: that so um you will just proceed with the application that's

[1:14:21] Voice 5: great application

[1:14:22] Voice 6: continue

[1:14:24] Voice 6: to finalize the draft bylaw we'll send out the terms of reference to the applicant

[1:14:29] Voice 6: um we'll also send the referrals out to first nations society for some number of

[1:14:35] Voice 6: jurists and family members um and also send the referral sorry if i mentioned that to the crd and

[1:14:41] Voice 6: PC Hydro for their comments regarding OCP. Yeah,

[1:14:45] Voice 7: I mean, I know this property

[1:14:48] Voice 7: probably as good as the applicants do. The reality is there's been trails on every property on

[1:14:56] Voice 7: Galliano since the beginning. And the reality is a lot of those trails do go through private

[1:15:02] Voice 7: property. So there would have to be an agreement with BC Hydro to proceed with the trails through

[1:15:07] Voice 7: their property and i you know i understand exactly what tony's saying if you know if you formalize a

[1:15:14] Voice 7: trail through private property you're really putting a burden on those private property

[1:15:19] Voice 7: owners that you're allowing it to go through so if we were to consider um a public trails we would

[1:15:24] Voice 7: have to find something that's suitable for the applicants and suitable for the for the public

[1:15:29] Voice 7: as well and whether we do that or not i'm not sure there's there's probably roots there but

[1:15:36] Voice 6: you know they have to be suitable right okay

[1:15:40] Voice 3: do you want to add

[1:15:42] Voice 8: anything no okay

[1:15:44] Voice 8: uh so we'll just uh receive this for information and in that case

[1:15:49] Voice 8: and uh thank

[1:15:52] Voice 6: you uh planet for giving us all that updated information

[1:16:00] Voice 6: um so that brings us on to section 15 trust committee projects

[1:16:10] Voice 3: it that is all that's

[1:16:20] Voice 6: on page 90 we have the active projects report any updates from staff

[1:16:26] Voice 6: and any questions from trustees

[1:16:35] Voice 6: okay and

[1:16:36] Voice 4: then the future projects reports on page 91 and 92 anything from staff

[1:16:42] Voice 6: or trustees

[1:16:46] Voice 6: Okay, we have

[1:16:47] Voice 6: one thing so yeah,

[1:16:49] Voice 6: you

[1:16:50] Voice 7: know, this is brought forward to me, there's been

[1:16:52] Voice 7: a lot of discussions previously about parking up at Spanish Hills, and I always have posted

[1:16:59] Voice 7: that area for parallel parking now and so there's been some programs made on at least

[1:17:05] Voice 7: up there, whether everybody will conform to that and I'm not sure but at least what the

[1:17:10] Voice 7: signage is up now they are simply drive by they can ticket those vehicles that are pushed out into

[1:17:15] Voice 6: them out into the road so for all those years all right thank you uh so page 93 we have an

[1:17:27] Voice 6: applications report

[1:17:29] Voice 4: anything on that today no and

[1:17:34] Voice 6: we have the trustee local expense report dated

[1:17:37] Voice 6: in august uh 2023 on page 101 questions nope and on page 102 we have the adopted policies

[1:17:48] Voice 6: and standing resolutions report okay anything

[1:17:54] Voice 7: on there we

[1:17:55] Voice 6: didn't need a standing resolution

[1:17:56] Voice 6: for what we added to the agenda earlier on in the meeting we're good with that

[1:18:02] Voice 6: okay just a motion to

[1:18:03] Voice 4: yeah we're good on that uh so anything to do with the local trust committee

[1:18:10] Voice 4: web page from now no no

[1:18:13] Voice 4: happy there right we

[1:18:15] Voice 4: have no island stress conservancy report today

[1:18:18] Voice 8: uh so that brings us to the new business section and under 17.1 on a page of 107

[1:18:26] Voice 8: 7. we have the

[1:18:27] Voice 6: dpa exemption uh legal opinion summary and uh kim did you want to

[1:18:39] Voice 6: sure i can just do a quick overview um so this is a summary of a legal opinion the ltc requested

[1:18:47] Voice 6: in regards to an exemption in that in the proposed uh development permit area for uh

[1:18:54] Voice 6: state of the world groundwater and the proposed exemption is land owned by a person with federal

[1:19:00] Voice 6: indigenous status living in their traditional territory with proof of family lineage and

[1:19:07] Voice 6: the summary states that the main reason that the legal team concluded would likely be invalid

[1:19:15] Voice 6: was based on a theory that the local government's authority to specify

[1:19:21] Voice 6: exemptions in a development permit area is limited to regulation of land development activities.

[1:19:30] Voice 6: So therefore, granting an exemption based on the identity of a landowner may be considered falling outside of the powers of legislation.

[1:19:41] Voice 6: legislation um but the summary also states that um um that it would it also that uh it states that

[1:19:54] Voice 6: there is also a potential argument in favor of the exemption and that would be um it could be

[1:20:01] Voice 6: in support of UNDRIP and also that the LTC and the OMS have strong policy statements favoring

[1:20:09] Voice 6: reconciliation so it basically states that it may be invalid but there's some strong

[1:20:17] Voice 6: rationale as to why it can't be included so it's really up to the ltc if this is something the ltc

[1:20:24] Voice 6: wants to keep in the um the draft dta and just a note to the ltc this wording can also be changed

[1:20:33] Voice 6: Once we send out those referrals again regarding the DPA, if you want to keep that in check

[1:20:39] Voice 6: with them, the wording can still be amended and tweaked as well.

[1:20:43] Voice 6: But that is, you probably just want to read this summary because it has a lot of jobs

[1:20:50] Voice 6: that I think I did right now.

[1:20:54] Voice 6: So it's in the agenda and what I can do is also request our planning team assistant to

[1:21:00] Voice 6: send it out to our email subscriber list and i'm not sure if the ltc wants it posted anywhere else

[1:21:07] Voice 6: or circulated anywhere else i can't think of anywhere uh

[1:21:13] Voice 7: it's already circulating

[1:21:14] Voice 7: okay

[1:21:14] Voice 6: we'll send out an evil and and then we'll leave it at that trustees

[1:21:22] Voice 7: yeah i have a few

[1:21:24] Voice 7: comments i mean i think there's i agree there is there is some validity in keeping the exemption

[1:21:30] Voice 7: I mean, if in reality, and Trust Council has made reconciliation one of their top priorities, then they have to live up to those words.

[1:21:43] Voice 7: And the reality is UNDRIP was adopted.

[1:21:46] Voice 7: And so if we're not going to recognize the inherent rights, and these are rights that were granted to First Nations peoples by the Supreme Court,

[1:21:55] Voice 7: If we're not going to recognize those basic inherent rights, then reconciliation isn't one of our top priorities, right?

[1:22:04] Voice 7: So, you know, I agree with the third section of the summaries.

[1:22:15] Voice 7: I've read the whole report, obviously, and I'm not

[1:22:18] Voice 3: allowed to talk about it.

[1:22:20] Voice 3: but you know um that's a shame because i

[1:22:27] Voice 7: mean i think it would clarify a lot of the concerns that

[1:22:30] Voice 7: that people would have and so um yeah i mean we're either doing reconciliation or we're not

[1:22:38] Voice 7: that's that's pretty point blank for me yeah

[1:22:42] Voice 6: just to go um that's a lot of this

[1:22:46] Voice 6: I've been reading so much about this and thinking about this a lot, and I have many, many questions.

[1:22:56] Voice 6: But I do believe there is nothing in under that says that Indians are exempt from bylaws or laws.

[1:23:10] Voice 6: I have a question for the planner.

[1:23:13] Voice 6: Are there exemptions for landowners in general?

[1:23:18] Voice 6: How does a landowner set up on asking for an exemption?

[1:23:22] Voice 6: Yeah, exemptions are generally based on land activities rather than land owners.

[1:23:29] Voice 6: There are some activities that are exempt if they are completed by the Capital Regional District.

[1:23:36] Voice 6: effect but again that focuses on the land activities not the person right the person

[1:23:45] Voice 6: yeah right okay so

[1:23:51] Voice 6: if the yeah

[1:23:52] Voice 3: the exemptions are based on activities

[1:23:53] Voice 6: what are the activities that are going to be occurring on these properties i'd like to know

[1:24:05] Voice 6: I don't know who got the say, who qualifies for this.

[1:24:11] Voice 6: What about the individuals that grew up here, but are members of a nation from another province?

[1:24:22] Voice 6: I'd like to hear what's appeared from the other nations on our referral list about this.

[1:24:28] Voice 6: only those that are here uh it sounds a little bit limited and would serve wouldn't serve

[1:24:35] Voice 6: communities generally what was there in the interest of the individual property

[1:24:40] Voice 6: which i would need some more information about this before the public hearing

[1:24:46] Voice 6: also we all know that home worship is a barrier right like we're in a global housing crisis

[1:24:52] Voice 6: it's people that own property it's not a luxury that every person can have you know this um

[1:25:01] Voice 3: and

[1:25:03] Voice 6: as an act of reconciliation we should stop um operating indigenous people rights or thinking

[1:25:11] Voice 6: that we have power to do that uh indigenous rights entitled are not an empty box that we

[1:25:17] Voice 6: as the island trust the colonial tool get to put things in right um our land use planning

[1:25:25] Voice 6: and its foundation should be the lens that we are working on stolen land but I'm very optimistic

[1:25:32] Voice 6: that this LTC could enter into conversations with the proposed effective landowners and that we can

[1:25:39] Voice 6: better inform this project as a whole and ourselves by working together. There is common ground

[1:25:47] Voice 6: in the protection of the natural environment, its ecosystems, biological diversity and the

[1:25:54] Voice 6: establishment of objectives of our consideration which is the purpose and the wording of our dpa

[1:26:03] Voice 6: i think i'd wish to end it there um i'm curious when we're going to see the this project back

[1:26:12] Voice 6: to us yes for public

[1:26:14] Voice 6: hearing um so it will be coming back after discussions with no hands

[1:26:20] Voice 6: and then once they get their comments um then it will be coming back to the ltc for consideration

[1:26:26] Voice 6: um to make amendments to the bylaws and then it'll move forward the public hearing um

[1:26:32] Voice 7: so yeah we want

[1:26:34] Voice 7: to go say this people's academy on the georgia family

[1:26:37] Voice 7: as well absolutely because if we i mean

[1:26:40] Voice 7: if we want to drill down and who this exemption would apply to which would be mainly through the

[1:26:44] Voice 7: durgeson family but you know not the sylvies and wilsons and and these are people who've bought

[1:26:50] Voice 7: land over the years and our first nations people who are living in their traditional territory i

[1:26:56] Voice 7: I think we were pretty clear when we originally wrote the exemption

[1:26:58] Voice 7: that it was applicable to people living in their traditional territory.

[1:27:03] Voice 7: What are those rights?

[1:27:05] Voice 7: Well, those inherent rights are four distinct things.

[1:27:08] Voice 7: There's a right to occupy, the right to a modest living,

[1:27:12] Voice 7: the right to hunt, and the right to fish, right?

[1:27:15] Voice 7: I mean, those are four basic rights.

[1:27:19] Voice 7: You guys probably know better than me to clarify what those inherent rights are.

[1:27:25] Voice 7: but we're not talking about rights that don't exist right those are rights that are that have

[1:27:32] Voice 7: been prescribed by the supreme court right yeah so we

[1:27:37] Voice 6: can't we can't affect those rights here

[1:27:38] Voice 6: in what way no we can't i'm just saying that we can't couldn't do that if we wanted to come up

[1:27:47] Voice 6: with a pilot that would uh uh squash those rights we couldn't do in the past when we lose that's

[1:27:53] Voice 6: that's how the law stands right now i

[1:27:55] Voice 7: mean the reality is is all this uh exemption would do

[1:27:59] Voice 7: would be to recognize that those rights exist and on land that first nations people own in

[1:28:06] Voice 7: their traditional territory which is the original intent of the dp exemption those

[1:28:12] Voice 7: rights would continue to exist and

[1:28:14] Voice 6: would be unfettered by the island strengths but we can't

[1:28:19] Voice 6: squashed those rights.

[1:28:20] Voice 6: I'm not squashing anything.

[1:28:22] Voice 6: I don't understand how the DBA

[1:28:24] Voice 6: could

[1:28:27] Voice 3: tackle constitutional rights.

[1:28:32] Voice 3: I'm

[1:28:33] Voice 3: completely unclear

[1:28:34] Voice 3: what you're referring to.

[1:28:36] Voice 3: What are we squashing?

[1:28:38] Voice 6: We're recognizing

[1:28:39] Voice 7: what

[1:28:40] Voice 6: is the exemption

[1:28:41] Voice 6: having the exemption on that land

[1:28:44] Voice 6: having the bylaw on that land

[1:28:45] Voice 6: how is that

[1:28:47] Voice 6: affecting rights?

[1:28:50] Voice 7: It's allowing Indigenous

[1:28:51] Voice 7: Indigenous people to maintain their inherent rights,

[1:28:56] Voice 7: rights that were given to them by the Supreme Court.

[1:28:59] Voice 7: I'm gonna think the problem that a lot of us have is,

[1:29:02] Voice 7: you say, well, everybody should be equal.

[1:29:05] Voice 7: You can break it to everybody, but we're not all equal.

[1:29:08] Voice 7: There's a section in the charter,

[1:29:10] Voice 7: which clarifies particular rights for Indigenous peoples.

[1:29:15] Voice 7: And we should respect those rights.

[1:29:17] Voice 7: So anytime that we're passing legislation,

[1:29:20] Voice 7: we should respect that.

[1:29:22] Voice 7: And, you know, this is the first piece of sort of legislation that we've done, that we're grappling with.

[1:29:31] Voice 7: And so, you know, in my mind, if reconciliation is Summers, if it's a priority, then let's make it a priority.

[1:29:41] Voice 7: I mean, the summary is pretty clear. There's validity to that argument.

[1:29:44] Voice 7: And maybe we can agree to disagree.

[1:29:51] Voice 7: I

[1:29:51] Voice 6: don't think they disagree. I think they continue to work on the warning.

[1:29:54] Voice 6: Sure.

[1:29:55] Voice 7: But if you looked at the wording in the original wording in the exemption,

[1:30:00] Voice 7: different than what's written here yeah i would

[1:30:03] Voice 6: just add that um that you know i'm totally open

[1:30:09] Voice 6: to if we want to we want to work on this the wording or whatever but i was just going to say

[1:30:15] Voice 8: that um for me there's sort of two two questions here one is canadian law and and and one is um

[1:30:25] Voice 8: um more ethical I would say and uh and from from

[1:30:31] Voice 6: the legal framework um it's it's interesting

[1:30:39] Voice 6: because

[1:30:39] Voice 8: uh generally when it comes to to land use uh we regulate the use and and not the user

[1:30:50] Voice 8: and so this is definitely outside of that context I'm not I'm not speaking for or against I'm just

[1:30:57] Voice 8: i'm just sort of airing my thoughts about how it's an interesting um area here because and i am no

[1:31:10] Voice 8: lawyer let's just take that right off the bat but and and i and i take your point there are there

[1:31:17] Voice 8: are specific rights given to indigenous people under the law of canada that are not afforded

[1:31:22] Voice 8: to everyone but in terms of land use regulation um everything i've come to up to this point has

[1:31:29] Voice 8: been about as i say about use not user so this is for me this is new territory um and it's

[1:31:37] Voice 8: interesting that the the legal opinion here both says they concluded likely be invalid but then

[1:31:48] Voice 8: And also adds, you know, potential rationale for it to be valid.

[1:31:54] Voice 8: Obviously, from a legal standpoint, the final determination would be a court case, which hopefully we don't get into that territory because that's no fun and messy for anyone.

[1:32:09] Voice 8: And I don't know if it's the best use of anyone's resources.

[1:32:14] Voice 8: But I think the other part that I wanted to sort of highlight for me is that although it concludes early in the summary that it would likely be invalid, it also concludes it would be separable.

[1:32:28] Voice 8: So that if that part was struck down, it doesn't affect the rest of it.

[1:32:34] Voice 3: So,

[1:32:34] Voice 8: I mean, to me, that's actually from the mechanics of the legal part.

[1:32:39] Voice 8: I think that's that's a pretty important piece there.

[1:32:42] Voice 8: So, in other words, if we do decide to go ahead with the exemption, we're not putting the entire bylaw at risk of being struck down.

[1:32:51] Voice 8: If it got to that point, it would only be that

[1:32:55] Voice 6: exemption.

[1:32:57] Voice 6: So, yeah, interesting, like, totally

[1:33:03] Voice 8: new territory for me as far as kind of wrapping my mind around the legal question.

[1:33:09] Voice 8: And as I say, ethically, I feel like the legal part of it's almost moot.

[1:33:17] Voice 8: I mean, it isn't

[1:33:18] Voice 8: for what we're doing, just

[1:33:20] Voice 6: on a personal level.

[1:33:22] Voice 6: But I think it's important for us as trustees

[1:33:26] Voice 7: and as a group here to figure out what reconciliation is.

[1:33:32] Voice 7: And this gives us an opportunity to put something forward.

[1:33:36] Voice 7: However, we're not, as you quite clearly stated,

[1:33:40] Voice 7: we're not putting the whole project at jeopardy.

[1:33:45] Voice 7: What we're doing is we're advancing something.

[1:33:49] Voice 7: It's got to go through the trust executive.

[1:33:51] Voice 7: It's got to go to the minister.

[1:33:53] Voice 7: I mean, there's a bunch of steps

[1:33:55] Voice 7: that it's still got to go through.

[1:33:56] Voice 7: And we'll know at what point we'll get a pushback

[1:34:02] Voice 7: saying, no, we can't have this, right?

[1:34:05] Voice 7: Right. But the reality is this. We have a legal summary which allows either side.

[1:34:12] Voice 7: Right. And yeah, for

[1:34:16] Voice 7: me, you know, I think it's incumbent

[1:34:18] Voice 6: upon us if we're going to talk about reconciliation to do something.

[1:34:24] Voice 6: And since we're not putting the DP in jeopardy, I think this is a good something.

[1:34:32] Voice 6: thing we are putting that we are affecting other private well owners effect affecting whom private

[1:34:39] Voice 6: well runners other water users water is not square it doesn't know or care where you're probably one

[1:34:45] Voice 6: right i don't know what the water catcher area the dpa the which is the established to protect

[1:34:54] Voice 6: sustained access to reliable safe supply of drinking water for private wells

[1:35:01] Voice 6: regardless

[1:35:02] Voice 7: of whether we let an indigenous person live on their land or they're living on their land

[1:35:08] Voice 7: they're still using the water yeah

[1:35:12] Voice 6: but what are they doing on that property these are safeguards

[1:35:16] Voice 6: the exemptions are health fire safety ecological preservation those are the what the exemptions are

[1:35:23] Voice 6: are mindful of to protect the water supply what are

[1:35:28] Voice 7: they doing where they're using more water

[1:35:30] Voice 7: than they're already using now this land is occupied by first nations people right now

[1:35:35] Voice 7: they're living on it oh

[1:35:38] Voice 6: i agree that's not the point what are the activities that do

[1:35:42] Voice 6: and

[1:35:43] Voice 7: just exactly the activities are pretty clear they're no different i

[1:35:48] Voice 6: don't know they're not here

[1:35:49] Voice 6: like what i guess but i don't think we even think very secure law of opportunity

[1:35:57] Voice 6: Yes, I'd like to know more about it and

[1:36:03] Voice 8: what I would just add is like the thing that the use of this particular mechanism here and I just in response to what

[1:36:12] Voice 8: you're saying is that as as as opposed to like a what we usually do which would be a specific person asking for a specific exemption in a specific case where we can

[1:36:28] Voice 8: wrap our minds around what what is the use and what does the proposed exemption mean in terms

[1:36:35] Voice 8: of the watershed like data basically in terms of as you say water isn't square so this is it's a

[1:36:44] Voice 8: little hard to drill drill down to use the analogy of what that means and then i guess the other

[1:36:52] Voice 8: the other question for me is of course fee simple property can be sold or transferred

[1:36:59] Voice 8: and so well

[1:37:02] Voice 6: then it would go along with an indigenous person but

[1:37:06] Voice 8: the and this because

[1:37:07] Voice 8: of course we're totally in a hypothetical which is as i said it'd be so much easier if we were

[1:37:13] Voice 8: looking at a specific application but in a hypothetical situation where someone has

[1:37:20] Voice 8: had this exemption and made a change that affects the water table or the water supply

[1:37:27] Voice 2: and then

[1:37:28] Voice 4: the property

[1:37:30] Voice 8: moves on.

[1:37:32] Voice 8: Well, I guess it's not clear what the-

[1:37:35] Voice 8: Inherent uses are?

[1:37:37] Voice 8: The inherent rights are?

[1:37:38] Voice 4: Well, not that, but in terms of what the bylaw

[1:37:44] Voice 4: restricts on any given, like-

[1:37:47] Voice 4: Okay, so-

[1:37:48] Voice 8: It's back to

[1:37:48] Voice 8: specifics, it's the lack of specifics.

[1:37:50] Voice 4: It's kind of this

[1:37:51] Voice 7: amorphous thing.

[1:37:53] Voice 7: The problem we have is we got a fairly detailed

[1:37:56] Voice 7: detailed legal opinion and we have a summary of that opinion right they're not the same thing

[1:38:04] Voice 7: oh i

[1:38:05] Voice 4: agree but i'm actually talking more about the more about the the bylaw itself what the bylaw is

[1:38:11] Voice 4: supposed to be doing

[1:38:12] Voice 8: and what an exemption from that bylaw could mean when we're not talking about

[1:38:19] Voice 8: a specific lot uh

[1:38:20] Voice 4: you know and the actual you understand that

[1:38:24] Voice 7: how much the land is actually

[1:38:25] Voice 7: affected by the dp

[1:38:27] Voice 6: but we're talking about water catchment for the users of water all

[1:38:32] Voice 7: the pmfl is

[1:38:33] Voice 7: exempt right all of the parts of it yeah most of the captain areas for the for the community is

[1:38:40] Voice 7: exempt from this vp and

[1:38:44] Voice 4: so that kind of gets back

[1:38:45] Voice 8: to yeah right how big should the dvd be

[1:38:49] Voice 6: sorry

[1:38:49] Voice 8: this is this is for us to argue about yeah

[1:38:53] Voice 6: Now, in hypotheticals, I don't have anyone in mind, but actually I'm going to need to go in.

[1:39:03] Voice 6: Land is owned by a few nations up north, and the nations have worked really hard together to get the trust, the land trust, and the land occupied demand.

[1:39:13] Voice 6: One of the nations decided that they're going to cut down all the streams and sell it, and the other three nations didn't want to.

[1:39:20] Voice 6: Now, don't you think cutting down all the trees would affect the water?

[1:39:23] Voice 6: And I'm throwing a heck of an example on it. Maybe I have to take a little bit of a jump to understand what I'm saying,

[1:39:28] Voice 6: but what

[1:39:29] Voice 1: activities are going to be happening there?

[1:39:31] Voice 6: And how can we ensure that they're not going to affect others?

[1:39:37] Voice 7: Every TMFL loaner on this island is going to cut their property tomorrow and we have no saver.

[1:39:43] Voice 7: We're

[1:39:43] Voice 6: not arguing right now, are we?

[1:39:45] Voice 7: I think you just did.

[1:39:48] Voice 6: I don't know that you can balance that with my opinion here.

[1:39:52] Voice 7: Yeah, I mean, I think for the purpose of moving forward,

[1:39:57] Voice 7: this recommendation should be sent to

[1:40:00] Voice 6: First Nations or comment.

[1:40:04] Voice 6: Right.

[1:40:06] Voice 3: Right.

[1:40:06] Voice 6: And then because,

[1:40:07] Voice 7: quite frankly,

[1:40:10] Voice 7: that's who should be commenting on it at this point.

[1:40:13] Voice 7: And then it can come back to us and we can have this discussion again.

[1:40:18] Voice 7: the book will have more context hopefully a lot more context about what it actually means because

[1:40:26] Voice 7: if we're exempting and i believe it's seven to nine properties um which are already all built on

[1:40:33] Voice 7: which are all already already lived on are they zoned

[1:40:36] Voice 7: holiday

[1:40:37] Voice 6: zone residential

[1:40:41] Voice 6: i'd like

[1:40:43] Voice 6: to see an inventory of the properties so we understand

[1:40:45] Voice 6: stand with this well

[1:40:47] Voice 8: but in fact i

[1:40:49] Voice 8: think in some sense it's back to what i was saying about data

[1:40:52] Voice 8: if we're a property if we're if we're doing if we're doing our due diligence to understand

[1:41:00] Voice 8: what what's the potential impacts of putting this exemption in and like and how many properties what

[1:41:09] Voice 8: they are so that we could actually get some data on is this exemption does this exemption mean

[1:41:16] Voice 8: a large area, like back to data, I just, for me, that's helpful because

[1:41:24] Voice 4: I don't know what

[1:41:25] Voice 4: the problems

[1:41:25] Voice 4: are. I don't know how big they are.

[1:41:28] Voice 4: So sure, let's do that.

[1:41:32] Voice 6: Could we get some of that

[1:41:33] Voice 6: data? Yeah, they have all this achievement living there for... And I guess maybe I should

[1:41:41] Voice 6: TAB, Mark McIntyre,

[1:41:42] Voice 7: But I mean I take this point, I think it's another thing it's a good point yeah well it

[1:41:50] Voice 6: says less to do the discussion here is less to do with the eight properties on galliano that are all small in nature and more to do with putting something into legislation that says something that we haven't said in a long time.

[1:42:12] Voice 6: TAB, Mark McIntyre, Right.

[1:42:13] Voice 6: And there's some reluctance to doing that, I understand that. But I will go back to the

[1:42:22] Voice 7: beginning and say,

[1:42:23] Voice 6: if

[1:42:23] Voice 7: we are truly speaking about reconciliation, then we have to have

[1:42:29] Voice 7: these discussions. We have to put something forward so we can discuss it. And

[1:42:33] Voice 7: that's,

[1:42:35] Voice 7: I think, my point here. If the legal opinion had come back and said,

[1:42:42] Voice 7: no period flat out no and you know okay that's what they said but they didn't say that right

[1:42:49] Voice 7: and so i think uh yeah i think that's a great point that is we're uneasy about the properties

[1:42:55] Voice 7: and we'll find out that that's something we probably shouldn't be uneasy about it's more

[1:43:00] Voice 7: uneasy about the legislation and where that could lead and uh and that's fair enough well and i think

[1:43:10] Voice 8: again just from my perspective not being a resident here not being a local trustee

[1:43:16] Voice 8: i'm hearing not not a not a unanimous agreement here so for my understanding of what

[1:43:24] Voice 8: what are the potential impacts at this point actually more data would help me to to feel

[1:43:31] Voice 8: like i'm doing my due diligence for for the wider object of the trust and and and for the galliano

[1:43:38] Voice 8: I know water, like all of those bits that I'm supposed to be doing,

[1:43:44] Voice 8: more data would definitely help me feel like I know what I'm talking about.

[1:43:50] Voice 8: And like I said, there's this legal bit, there's the ethical bit,

[1:43:54] Voice 8: but the data bit

[1:43:56] Voice 8: would be, I think, really helpful.

[1:43:58] Voice 7: And I can give her the list of the properties that would affect them.

[1:44:02] Voice 7: And so we can get a map, really, and all these properties.

[1:44:07] Voice 7: and we can all say it doesn't mean anything right compared to the massive amount of forest lands

[1:44:15] Voice 7: that are exempt from this dp right but let's do that let's send it out to first nations and let's

[1:44:23] Voice 7: do a little bit more work on on the data itself

[1:44:26] Voice 6: and

[1:44:27] Voice 7: um and go from there yeah

[1:44:28] Voice 6: we definitely want

[1:44:29] Voice 6: that honest to you because i don't like how this conversation is here to do like

[1:44:34] Voice 6: and can you get conciliation if I'm asking questions about the EPA or establish that

[1:44:41] Voice 6: there's concerns about the water back here. Water is everything here, right? But we need to be

[1:44:47] Voice 6: careful. We don't get do-overs with myself. So we need to make sure, as we've done thoroughly,

[1:44:55] Voice 6: the due diligence is done and also too the dba i understand where this comes from it comes from a

[1:45:06] Voice 6: very very good reason i believe in that reason too but we need legislation is the dba the right

[1:45:12] Voice 6: place for that or is that a standard i agree i i

[1:45:16] Voice 7: i agree

[1:45:17] Voice 6: with you i mean why not all of them

[1:45:20] Voice 6: No, this, I

[1:45:22] Voice 7: think I said, the reason this one is the first piece of legislation we've we've we've touched the

[1:45:28] Voice 6: water that's been where

[1:45:32] Voice 7: is

[1:45:34] Voice 6: there an abbreviated stress.

[1:45:36] Voice 6: I

[1:45:37] Voice 8: just want to check. I just want to check in with Leonard

[1:45:40] Voice 4: Stockton there. Are you good to work with Trustee Mabry

[1:45:46] Voice 6: on getting us more data?

[1:45:49] Voice 6: Yes, we will, we can work together to get that information, and we'll also get the responses from our as well so it sounds like LTC needs more information before any decision is made.

[1:46:03] Voice 8: Certainly make more information certainly make me feel comfortable about

[1:46:07] Voice 8: approaching a decision.

[1:46:09] Voice 3: uh

[1:46:10] Voice 8: just what are the impacts yeah okay so we're good on this item for today then yes okay great

[1:46:17] Voice 8: great discussion thank you

[1:46:19] Voice 4: um so that brings us to 17.1 so this is a notice of a housing

[1:46:27] Voice 4: agreement bylaws we've got a memorandum on page 108 uh from jillian nicholas jillian with us today

[1:46:36] Voice 3: i think so i'm not seeing her pop up on the screen i

[1:46:45] Voice 6: can do my best to quickly summarize okay and

[1:46:48] Voice 8: this is a this is a memorandum it's not a request for a decision or anything so um from my

[1:46:54] Voice 6: understanding this is going to be an annual memo to ltc's for promising agreements um with the um

[1:47:04] Voice 6: And with the outcome of just providing monitoring results to LTCs, so as the LTC knows, there

[1:47:11] Voice 6: are two housing agreements on Galliano, although the sites have not been fully developed yet,

[1:47:18] Voice 6: so there's been no monitoring required for these two housing agreements.

[1:47:23] Voice 6: But this will

[1:47:24] Voice 6: be an annual report, so hopefully in the next few years, there'll be some more

[1:47:28] Voice 6: data to look at in terms of housing agreements.

[1:47:33] Voice 6: That's all I have.

[1:47:34] Voice 6: and then attach this to housing agreements the ltc of the docket so it's great it's great it

[1:47:41] Voice 6: stops kind of keeping an eye on these and not just putting them hide away somewhere that somebody's

[1:47:48] Voice 6: now looking at these agreements and making sure that the data is logged and that um these housing

[1:47:54] Voice 6: societies are conforming to the housing agreements yeah

[1:47:59] Voice 8: we'll have that we'll have a regular

[1:48:01] Voice 8: monitoring report when that that's happening that's great and any

[1:48:07] Voice 6: questions no i just would

[1:48:09] Voice 6: like to mention the public do you have any any questions about how they verbal housing

[1:48:16] Voice 6: um this will be here we'll be working it's in this in a long boring detail it'll put you to

[1:48:24] Voice 6: sleep it's very long it's very technical but read it the information there if you often hear a lot

[1:48:29] Voice 6: it information in the community about it but this says they uh just what they're legally bound to be

[1:48:36] Voice 6: if you have any questions about who gets to live there it's in there okay so our next regular

[1:48:45] Voice 6: meeting is scheduled for nor

[1:48:48] Voice 4: november 14th right here and we have another town hall opportunity

[1:48:53] Voice 4: scheduled here is anyone who would like to address the local trust committee it's a couple of three

[1:48:58] Voice 4: hands we'll start with you sir

[1:49:00] Voice 4: my two two things um one i understand ben's been very good with um

[1:49:05] Voice 4: passing on the upcoming things that are going on in the trust to the penelope and they're very um

[1:49:13] Voice 4: ken has been saying how uh happy they are with that um i suggest that this should not be ben's

[1:49:20] Voice 4: job it should just be something that is systematically put into the trust so that that

[1:49:26] Voice 4: that information gets sent to the drives that it affects well ahead of time.

[1:49:32] Voice 4: And it's not so when Ben eventually leaves being a trustee,

[1:49:36] Voice 4: it doesn't go back to the way it was. So that's one thing.

[1:49:40] Voice 4: The other thing, as far as the topic with much discussion before,

[1:49:47] Voice 4: in any group of people,

[1:49:49] Voice 4: there are going to be people that misuse any advantage that is given to them.

[1:49:54] Voice 4: um i i do think that the various indigenous groups should be in charge of um the the

[1:50:04] Voice 4: rights that were given to them by canada and under it um perhaps it would be a good idea to state in

[1:50:11] Voice 4: the um bylaw that it's exempt um if the tribe council that that person belongs to

[1:50:24] Voice 4: um agrees to that exemption that way there's still some control and the um the penultimate

[1:50:31] Voice 4: or whichever tribe is dealing with that particular uh if that person's a member of that tribe

[1:50:37] Voice 4: then can have that as kind of a safety precaution because somebody could decide i'm going to log

[1:50:45] Voice 4: this property then move to the next property love that property with the next property

[1:50:49] Voice 4: because people are people and there's some people that will take advantage of the situation and so

[1:50:54] Voice 4: if you do have a backup where that the council's and i don't know all the legal ramifications of it

[1:51:00] Voice 4: and i don't know um what the delegate of it that would think of it in the other nations but it's

[1:51:06] Voice 4: something that you might want to bring to them to see if that's an idea that they like and that's it

[1:51:14] Voice 3: sure um my name is um i want to

[1:51:22] Voice 6: thank uh this for this opportunity to talk i want to remember

[1:51:29] Voice 6: I remember the first meeting that I came to when I first moved to this island, and I knew what I was going to be packed with, and I knew that I had to be a big mouth, and I knew I had to be an optimist, and I was.

[1:51:40] Voice 6: And I don't take that back at all, because I've made it known that not only are the Penelkan here, the Coast Salish people of Galliano are here, who are of Penelkan ancestry on my land.

[1:51:53] Voice 6: But I also want to note that when it comes to the land use permit and all the new laws

[1:52:01] Voice 6: that are coming out, that none of those will ever supersede our inherent rights because

[1:52:08] Voice 6: that's enshrined in the laws of Canada.

[1:52:13] Voice 6: When it comes to courts, I think we're at 185 and I think it's 185 to zero for the First

[1:52:19] Voice 6: Nations people.

[1:52:21] Voice 6: Unyork was developed or brought in because of the colonial system of the Indian Act,

[1:52:29] Voice 6: the bans, and the recognition of putting us on lands, the land question isn't in use,

[1:52:35] Voice 6: and the land question has been here since time immemorial, since the time that the first

[1:52:42] Voice 6: that arrived on this island was able to preempt this land.

[1:52:45] Voice 6: and that land question has always been there.

[1:52:49] Voice 6: And we've always known where we're still on it.

[1:52:55] Voice 6: Bob's family has lost a lot

[1:52:58] Voice 6: because of residential schools.

[1:53:00] Voice 6: The Downs here, the Sylvies, the Bains, the Jurgisons,

[1:53:04] Voice 6: everybody who we tried to give a voice to

[1:53:07] Voice 6: when we started the society, lost their relationship,

[1:53:12] Voice 6: which is why nobody recognized them,

[1:53:14] Voice 6: which is why the previous trustees didn't even recognize them.

[1:53:17] Voice 6: it wasn't until we started talking and saying hey we're here look at us do you know how it feels

[1:53:24] Voice 6: to be told you don't belong it's inherent human right that we want to belong we belong here we

[1:53:33] Voice 6: think we do i think bob thinks he does and i think my dog thinks he does and so does my

[1:53:37] Voice 6: grandchildren they belong here so to be told that you don't belong so be told that you don't matter

[1:53:44] Voice 6: it just doesn't kind of so i'm just gonna have to get a little louder again a little stronger

[1:53:48] Voice 6: get a little pushy or stance-balanced, I don't know, I guess, what it is.

[1:53:53] Voice 6: And, you know, operating from a place of fear or a place of unknown,

[1:53:59] Voice 6: you just got to make the jump and move things forward.

[1:54:04] Voice 6: This question is too big for you guys.

[1:54:06] Voice 6: You just got to move forward.

[1:54:08] Voice 6: And then as you get along further up, the higher ups take the heat.

[1:54:13] Voice 6: You don't have to take the heat.

[1:54:16] Voice 6: but the Constitution is clear that Indigenous people have an inherent right to do what they

[1:54:21] Voice 6: do. You know, ask us what we're going to do on the land. I'm just going to have a shower and I'm

[1:54:26] Voice 6: going to do dishes and I'm going to wash my clothes. You know, I'm not going to start up a

[1:54:30] Voice 6: hotel. I'm not going to start up a restaurant. We've been living here amongst you. We didn't

[1:54:37] Voice 6: just drop out of the sky. We've been living here among you since before you all arrived.

[1:54:44] Voice 6: Bob's family has been in this island since before who knows who knows how long because

[1:54:51] Voice 6: nobody can answer that question because we didn't have the right record keeping or whatever uh

[1:54:57] Voice 6: there's some record where they can trace we can sit down and we'll talk around our table

[1:55:01] Voice 6: and we can compare notes um we've been doing that amongst ourselves um looking at his documents and

[1:55:11] Voice 6: And some of the interesting things

[1:55:13] Voice 6: you've heard are very amazing.

[1:55:15] Voice 6: The last document you sent me said that, you know,

[1:55:19] Voice 6: Sarah Dineo, who was Henry Durden's wife,

[1:55:24] Voice 6: left to go up to the couch and used to go for a potluck

[1:55:27] Voice 6: for a few days, which we know happens.

[1:55:31] Voice 6: And this is interesting stuff because, you know,

[1:55:33] Voice 6: I think at that time, potlucks were banned.

[1:55:35] Voice 6: So the fact that she did that made it.

[1:55:38] Voice 6: And so I think that, you know,

[1:55:40] Voice 6: when you're talking about First Nations people and Indigenous people, to say that we belong to

[1:55:45] Voice 6: a tribe or a certain First Nation or a band is still a colonial construct that we're still trying

[1:55:51] Voice 6: to fight. Residential school, you're all wearing orange. Well Bob's family went to Cupertube.

[1:55:58] Voice 6: They're brought back there for a reason. It's because he is from the La Malcha. We've traced

[1:56:05] Voice 6: that we've done a work, we've traded the paper that traces his family right to Ploemulchuk.

[1:56:12] Voice 6: So he's Ploemulchuk too. I mean, I had to think about this, and I had to, so I called

[1:56:19] Voice 6: up one of our elders, and I had a question. I said, I have to think about and ask a question

[1:56:26] Voice 6: about lineage, and under no certain terms did she say, you have Ploemulchuk ancestry.

[1:56:34] Voice 6: She calls me Bob because I've been married to him for 40 years, that's got to come for something.

[1:56:40] Voice 6: So I have children who are Penelopean ancestry. I have grandchildren now who are Penelopean ancestry.

[1:56:48] Voice 6: At one time we were all one, and I'll go back to that again.

[1:56:51] Voice 6: You can't operate from a place of fear and you can't operate from a place of trying to tell us and ask us what we're going to do and how we're going to live on the land.

[1:56:59] Voice 6: That's colonial. That's a colonial construct that you're bringing forward.

[1:57:02] Voice 6: You can't do that. You've just got to let us be and trust that we can do that.

[1:57:08] Voice 6: We're not going to break this land, my God.

[1:57:12] Voice 6: As a First Nations person, yeah, there are examples, but you're never going to know until you go forward.

[1:57:22] Voice 6: Moving gently forward is the way to go.

[1:57:26] Voice 6: Finally, we're at a point where we're here and sitting across from you.

[1:57:30] Voice 3: finally and finally we're sitting in chairs with you finally we have a voice i

[1:57:42] Voice 6: just have to say

[1:57:43] Voice 6: that um listening to the lab questions listening to all the conversations that happened today i

[1:57:52] Voice 6: just want to say that well we're still going to be here we're going to be here long after

[1:58:00] Voice 6: my god i know i have grandchildren so we're going to be here for a long time

[1:58:03] Voice 6: So I just wanted to say, Petra Beth, thanks for the time, thanks for the voice, and please consider, please consider who we are, too.

[1:58:14] Voice 6: We didn't just drop out of the sky. He's not brown for a reason. He's brown because we can allocate.

[1:58:22] Voice 3: So we're close to those two. Thank you.

[1:58:34] Voice 3: And

[1:58:35] Voice 6: I think it's both in the Bible, in the book, and in the protection of the world mission

[1:58:42] Voice 6: in the child care unit.

[1:58:45] Voice 6: And this protection is done by a development for a new area that wouldn't permit to do

[1:58:52] Voice 6: a series of different things that they can pollute or damage the watershed.

[1:59:00] Voice 6: And when we damage the watershed, we need damage for all the people who live close to

[1:59:07] Voice 6: it and depend on this watershed.

[1:59:12] Voice 6: And that's why I think nobody will have the privilege not to go through the development

[1:59:22] Voice 6: development area costs, because this is about individual owners.

[1:59:30] Voice 6: We could just talk about a group of different people.

[1:59:34] Voice 6: These are individual people, and individual people have different ideas of how to behave,

[1:59:42] Voice 6: or how do they think the value of the land, or what they want to do with the land.

[1:59:48] Voice 6: And in this, by law, it talks about the authority and the law, local law, and we say it's also

[1:59:57] Voice 6: for the protection of the...

[2:00:00] Voice 6: the natural environment, the ecosystem, and the biological diversity.

[2:00:05] Voice 6: So this is for the protection of everybody.

[2:00:08] Voice 6: And we all have the same right to water, because if we don't have water, we couldn't live.

[2:00:15] Voice 6: And the animals here, they couldn't live, and they couldn't have the trees.

[2:00:21] Voice 6: So I don't see reconciliation in this case.

[2:00:27] Voice 6: is what is this about the bio and if they have done such a work for the sustainability project

[2:00:36] Voice 6: and now you say oh well there are only a few areas and here why

[2:00:42] Voice 3: do you want to work

[2:00:44] Voice 6: if they think that this is necessary why to do it if it's only a few areas and now you need the data

[2:00:52] Voice 6: of how many areas this is about.

[2:00:56] Voice 6: One of the thing about the covenant and the community boards

[2:01:01] Voice 6: is that problem of extending an area like a community board

[2:01:07] Voice 6: because it's a rich area.

[2:01:09] Voice 6: And maybe it's also a problem with parks,

[2:01:11] Voice 6: that I don't know.

[2:01:14] Voice 6: But I think we are really, in this one, we are equals.

[2:01:18] Voice 6: Because when you talk water, the protection of water,

[2:01:22] Voice 6: is not only for humans, it's for all the natural environment.

[2:01:28] Voice 6: And now bodies tell that indigenous people

[2:01:31] Voice 6: will not take care of the land like others,

[2:01:34] Voice 6: but there are many people who are indigenous people,

[2:01:37] Voice 3: they are

[2:01:37] Voice 6: individuals, we are all individuals,

[2:01:41] Voice 6: and we all have this common idea of how to treat the land.

[2:01:46] Voice 6: And I think if we have a local structural meeting,

[2:01:51] Voice 6: and we have the idea the idea that we have to go through a process if we want something to do

[2:01:59] Voice 6: with land use and we should be all equal in that

[2:02:04] Voice 6: process mainly for the shelter this is not the

[2:02:08] Voice 6: difference of a very about how many meters from the neighbor to build something it's such an

[2:02:14] Voice 6: and it's time to be done.

[2:02:19] Voice 6: Okay, is there anyone else?

[2:02:22] Voice 6: I would say that

[2:02:24] Voice 6: first nations have never been equal.

[2:02:27] Voice 6: Never.

[2:02:28] Voice 6: And it's starting now.

[2:02:30] Voice 6: And when we all make

[2:02:32] Voice 6: it by will,

[2:02:32] Voice 3: we can have our team.

[2:02:38] Voice 3: I would like to speak to

[2:02:46] Voice 3: the same issue

[2:02:49] Voice 3: in common terms.

[2:02:54] Voice 6: And I agree with the previous speaker

[2:02:58] Voice 6: that

[2:02:58] Voice 5: into the future reconciliation in some ways must depend on what I'll call mutual equality

[2:03:09] Voice 6: or consensus, and that this experiment here is actually to find consensus, not exception,

[2:03:19] Voice 6: And that if you

[2:03:22] Voice 5: exclude yourself, or we exclude, or I exclude, then you become an individual.

[2:03:30] Voice 5: And if you look across the continent, even just in Colossus, you'll see a very large commercial box

[2:03:41] Voice 6: store development on native land, on indigenous land.

[2:03:47] Voice 6: And for the interests of Indigenous

[2:03:51] Voice 5: people from their historical beginnings, and then overlay that with the Industrial Revolution and everyone else that represents that age, and all of those opportunities that come with that development.

[2:04:12] Voice 5: For example, the box store.

[2:04:15] Voice 3: It's not for the Indigenous people.

[2:04:20] Voice 3: It's actually for everybody else, including, without discrimination, everybody can go.

[2:04:33] Voice 3: Historically, industrialism and

[2:04:36] Voice 6: indigenous are not the same.

[2:04:39] Voice 6: The abuse of the land to

[2:04:43] Voice 5: dig a pit mine to

[2:04:45] Voice 6: the end of water,

[2:04:48] Voice 5: water, to a paved paradise with endless roads and driveways and industrial parks.

[2:05:00] Voice 5: These are individual decisions.

[2:05:03] Voice 5: And agreement among people is something that is commonly rare,

[2:05:08] Voice 6: even among indigenous people.

[2:05:11] Voice 6: So there must

[2:05:13] Voice 5: be some global higher consensus that everyone,

[2:05:20] Voice 3: the colonials, the locals,

[2:05:26] Voice 3: both historical and present local, I

[2:05:31] Voice 5: would call the indigenous the first locals, they

[2:05:35] Voice 5: have the deepest knowledge of what an amenity of here is.

[2:05:40] Voice 5: the irons trust act allows them the authority to express that authority by calling it amenity

[2:05:49] Voice 5: declaring it an amenity the trustees can do that because they're local trustees

[2:05:56] Voice 5: and then making that development or any development that impedes or impairs that amenity

[2:06:03] Voice 5: to be prevented because we have

[2:06:06] Voice 6: the authority to preserve and to protect.

[2:06:12] Voice 3: I've come from far away.

[2:06:15] Voice 3: I've seen the world.

[2:06:16] I've seen the impact of 10 years of development on pristine indigenous

[2:06:25] Voice 3: culture.

[2:06:26] Voice 3: It breaks my heart.

[2:06:31] And it was led by individuals in that society for their

[2:06:38] Voice 3: own advantage.

[2:06:42] Voice 3: If we could prevent it, we would. And so equality is the first consensus.

[2:06:54] Voice 3: And from there, we can grow together instead of apart.

[2:07:00] My

[2:07:06] Voice 3: name is Robert Wilson.

[2:07:08] Voice 6: I'm the president of the Post Service People of Joanna Island.

[2:07:11] Voice 6: And I'd like to say thank you for the opportunity to speak.

[2:07:16] Voice 6: This conversation is getting kind of figure-pointing, I guess you could say.

[2:07:23] Voice 6: I don't like speaking at meetings on fresh subjects because I'm the president of Circle of Sales.

[2:07:31] Voice 6: People go, I don't have a board.

[2:07:32] Voice 6: I have to have answers to.

[2:07:34] Voice 6: I have members I have to answer to.

[2:07:35] Voice 6: And I don't like speaking on the app without consulting with them.

[2:07:42] Voice 6: A little bit about myself, I had surely mentioned, I have direct family ties to the Maltese Bay.

[2:07:49] Voice 6: The reason our family isn't out there, part of it cannot go down right now, is because

[2:07:55] Voice 6: the British Army bombed us and many families spread it.

[2:08:02] Voice 6: There's 300 Wilsons in Lummi that are direct descendants of the Maltese Bay.

[2:08:10] Voice 6: My family ended up hiding from authorities because of my grandfather kidnapped, my great-great-grandfather kidnapped his kids from the residential school in Cooper.

[2:08:27] Voice 6: And the only reason, the only way he could keep them out of that school was to run off to the line to the States.

[2:08:36] Voice 6: and we made our way back and we settled in New Pass. The reason I'm here is because my

[2:08:44] Voice 6: grandparents, my dad's mother's side, owned property here and my dad moved over to

[2:08:52] Voice 6: live with them. He met my mother who was a part of the Georgeson family and the Georgeson family

[2:08:59] Voice 6: lived here all of their lives, all their existing life other than from Henry down.

[2:09:07] Voice 6: the fountains down the road you can see all the all the all the headstones with all their names

[2:09:13] Voice 6: and all the dates going back to born in 1850s and Sophie obviously was here many many years

[2:09:22] Voice 6: before that with her family the original people

[2:09:26] Voice 3: from here. I was tasked the

[2:09:32] Voice 6: job of speaking on

[2:09:34] Voice 6: on behalf of the Coast Salish people of Galliano.

[2:09:37] Voice 6: And I do, when I feel it's necessary,

[2:09:43] Voice 6: I put a lot of burden on Charlene.

[2:09:45] Voice 6: She does research.

[2:09:47] Voice 6: She probably knows about more

[2:09:48] Voice 6: of what they're trying to express

[2:09:49] Voice 6: for history than any of you guys here.

[2:09:52] Voice 6: But she reads it word for word,

[2:09:54] Voice 6: and she goes back and reads it.

[2:09:56] Voice 6: And as far as the Indian Act, I refer to her.

[2:10:00] Voice 6: She reads it from as much as she can.

[2:10:04] Voice 6: and what does this part mean and she'll say oh let me just you know and what i can say about the

[2:10:15] Voice 3: the coast sales people of deliana my

[2:10:17] Voice 6: members that are which are um i was going to say i i'm

[2:10:24] Voice 6: confused about the georgeson family because we have georgeson family in our in our group

[2:10:30] Voice 6: i'm not sure there's an overlap i'm not upset about it i'm just confused why we're not united

[2:10:37] Voice 6: But we have a board member, Dr. George, and we have other members that remind me that

[2:10:44] Voice 6: they're behind me and they're counting

[2:10:46] Voice 3: on me to speak for them.

[2:10:50] Voice 3: I wasn't voted in, I was given, it was like when we

[2:10:55] Voice 6: first started the society, I gathered

[2:10:59] Voice 6: lists of families and I formed each and every one of them, the Baines's, the Sully's, the

[2:11:05] Voice 6: the Stephens, the Georgesons obviously,

[2:11:09] Voice 6: my own family, the Wilsons,

[2:11:11] Voice 6: and I called each and every one of them.

[2:11:14] Voice 6: And all but two said,

[2:11:17] Voice 6: that's a great idea because we need a voice.

[2:11:20] Voice 6: We're all individuals spread out on the island.

[2:11:23] Voice 6: We need to unite and have a voice.

[2:11:27] Voice 6: And again, we found trouble in how do we do this.

[2:11:32] Voice 6: And we need to develop that form of society for one thing

[2:11:37] Voice 6: before we go any further.

[2:11:38] Voice 6: And we have gone a lot further since then.

[2:11:41] Voice 6: We have, Charlene has a speed dial for fisheries

[2:11:46] Voice 6: that help us with every question we have for them.

[2:11:50] Voice 6: We have an ongoing communication with them.

[2:11:54] Voice 3: And I'm just, I come to these meetings to observe

[2:12:03] Voice 6: mostly

[2:12:06] Voice 6: so that I can have some kind of knowledge

[2:12:10] Voice 6: knowledge of when one of my members come up to me and say what's going on, I can have

[2:12:15] Voice 6: some kind of an answer for them.

[2:12:19] Voice 6: It's no secret that Ben and I are very good friends and I really love the fact that, for

[2:12:24] Voice 6: personal reasons, he's helping the Native people in the South, the Indigenous people.

[2:12:32] Voice 6: And I'm very happy for that.

[2:12:35] Voice 6: And I love that it's finally, we're finally mentioned in these meetings after how many years, 50 years of Island Trust meetings, and finally get asked to stand up and speak.

[2:12:52] Voice 6: So I'm just stating that I'm here.

[2:12:57] Voice 6: I'm going to try to be at every meeting that I can.

[2:13:00] Voice 6: because obviously I'm a commercial fisherman, among other things, and sometimes I can't be

[2:13:06] Voice 6: here for these meetings, but I'm going to be in every one of the camps. One thing I can say for

[2:13:14] Voice 6: my people, I'm sure, when somebody uses water for an excuse of why you can't pass something,

[2:13:25] Voice 6: I don't understand how

[2:13:28] Voice 3: my family has lived here since 1850.

[2:13:34] Voice 3: How can you accuse us of

[2:13:36] Voice 6: damaging the water supply?

[2:13:40] Voice 6: I don't get it. I just don't want to get it.

[2:13:42] Voice 6: We're not going to open up public pools here.

[2:13:46] Voice 6: I just don't understand why you think the neighbouring people are going to be affected.

[2:13:50] Voice 6: They haven't been affected. We've been affected.

[2:13:53] Voice 6: this. I can remember when I was a young boy, I walked down the road and maybe a half a dozen cars

[2:14:02] Voice 6: would drive by. So I walked from my mom's place to my grandma's place. And now, as I'm speaking,

[2:14:11] Voice 6: we didn't create that. My family didn't

[2:14:15] Voice 6: create the population on this island. And it's getting worse

[2:14:20] Voice 6: and worse and worse. Ten years from now, we're probably going to double in size if the land

[2:14:24] Voice 6: allows it which i don't understand how it's going to so um when i go back to my talk to

[2:14:31] Voice 6: people that ask me questions and i tell them that

[2:14:35] Voice 3: there's an issue with the water

[2:14:38] Voice 3: why you can't pass a simple first step they're all going to be insulted i'll tell you that right now

[2:14:48] Voice 3: they're going to say water that's what they're worried about i mean you hear projects of

[2:14:57] Voice 3: of affordable housing. And Tahira's sitting

[2:15:06] Voice 6: there, she wants to put the houses on her

[2:15:08] Voice 6: places but side by side by side of a forest lot. She wants some special agreement for herself.

[2:15:20] Voice 6: Why didn't you stand up and say what about water to her? You're saying what about water?

[2:15:28] Voice 6: and even yes you know that's

[2:15:29] Voice 6: what i said i could listen to the force she has to breathe water

[2:15:32] Voice 6: i want to know what the threat you brought up water it seemed to be the main point you brought

[2:15:40] Voice 6: up i'd like to know what what your concerns are are you accusing us of poisoning water

[2:15:46] Voice 6: are you accusing of the overuse of the water i mean but i'm saying i'm speaking for like i said

[2:15:53] Voice 6: when i speak in color as the president of the first year of people going on i'm sleeping for

[2:15:57] Voice 6: everybody not myself so a development permit area for water so water can come on that's what it's

[2:16:07] Voice 6: about yes there's more more closets than just pete so actually maintaining water in the water dta

[2:16:15] Voice 6: that is the number one priority i'm not speaking up for my own cell phone

[2:16:21] Voice 6: So when I tell people I'm in this meeting, they're going to ask what was brought up,

[2:16:26] Voice 6: what they said, anything they should be concerned about.

[2:16:29] Voice 6: They can reach out to me.

[2:16:31] Voice 6: I would love to have a chance to talk about this more, right?

[2:16:36] Voice 6: Anyways, I'm just acknowledging that I'm here today to observe.

[2:16:43] Voice 6: I'm speaking on behalf of Coastal House people of Galliano.

[2:16:47] Voice 6: And thank you for listening.

[2:16:55] Voice 6: uh hey

[2:16:56] Voice 3: then uh appreciate

[2:16:58] Voice 6: hearing from everybody today and uh yes um yeah

[2:17:06] Voice 4: i'll

[2:17:08] Voice 8: i'll let you have

[2:17:08] Voice 4: one more go and i'm just gonna okay then

[2:17:11] Voice 8: you as well and then this will be the last round

[2:17:13] Voice 8: we're a little bit ahead but uh we're also just gonna call it to a close so go ahead and then

[2:17:19] Voice 8: in action and

[2:17:22] Voice 6: then we'll call it a day i feel that i came earlier today to speak to housing

[2:17:27] Voice 6: and the housing storage and the impact of of course short-term vacation rentals on the access

[2:17:35] Voice 6: to the housing infrastructure on the island and how

[2:17:41] Voice 5: the ferry traffic the ferry volume

[2:17:43] Voice 5: and the number of short-term vacation rentals is significant

[2:17:50] Voice 5: and impacting the water supplies all over the island,

[2:17:56] Voice 5: especially in highly dense areas like Hain Road

[2:18:00] Voice 6: and Gulf Drive

[2:18:02] Voice 6: and Sturdy's Bay.

[2:18:05] Voice 6: There's a lot of things that are real commercial activities.

[2:18:09] Voice 6: And

[2:18:10] Voice 5: the reason water is significant is because even where

[2:18:13] Voice 5: the woodstone is and the consequences of having constant habitation at a hotel impacting the water

[2:18:21] Voice 5: levels so that the entire neighborhood had to re-drill their wells and the water quality went

[2:18:28] Voice 5: down and a number of things that might be considered an amenity were impacted

[2:18:32] Voice 6: by a local

[2:18:35] Voice 6: acceptable activity and the

[2:18:40] Voice 5: housing is the issue connected with the water it

[2:18:45] Voice 5: means that certain areas must be actively restricted from short-term

[2:18:51] Voice 5: vacation rentals and the impact of that on the water supply to respect the

[2:18:58] Voice 5: the intent of habitation and residency.

[2:19:02] Voice 5: The whole system, this system is for residents

[2:19:06] Voice 5: and the cooperation between of the colonials

[2:19:10] Voice 5: and the indigenous represent

[2:19:13] Voice 5: the historical respect of amenities.

[2:19:17] Voice 5: The historical respect will add to the amenities

[2:19:21] Voice 5: that will require protection, not subtract.

[2:19:26] Voice 5: And then water is one of those amenities that requires protection because of the ability of the industrial

[2:19:35] Voice 6: colonials to extract it from forever.

[2:19:40] Voice 6: And global impacts

[2:19:42] Voice 5: are going to be, are presently felt in water quality, the installation of special filters so that they can maintain a quality of life and residency.

[2:19:54] Voice 5: So my encouragement to the trustees is to actively, actively thwart short-term vacation rentals in water-restricted and impacted areas, wherever they are, including possibly the North End, where this Crystal Mountain is going to have a very strong impact.

[2:20:18] Voice 5: And there was a request for opinion to the Penelope about that development, which is

[2:20:25] Voice 5: significant with the water impact, and I strongly recommend that the Penelope take it seriously

[2:20:33] Voice 5: and make sure they understand that the consequences of that, as a precedent for the rest of the

[2:20:47] The forest zone on the rest of

[2:20:50] Voice 6: this time that's

[2:20:51] Voice 4: please your thank you for your application and yeah trustee

[2:20:57] Voice 8: maybe he's right, we have a public hearing on that.

[2:21:01] Voice 6: yeah.

[2:21:04] Voice 6: Very briefly, to summarize what the recharge area DPA by-law actually said, I'm really concerned that there appears to be perhaps misinformation that is resulting in a, I think, a completely unnecessary polarization between people about this particular by-law.

[2:21:27] Voice 6: It doesn't have anything to do with, you know, domestic water usage on someone's property, as I heard you refer to, Trustee Maverly.

[2:21:37] Voice 6: It really has to do with other activities that could endanger the water availability for the landowner and surrounding properties.

[2:21:48] Voice 6: So I just wonder if you would, if I could ask if Trustee Ehrich kind of dropped down,

[2:21:56] Voice 6: could you briefly summarize what the proposed bylaw actually is all about?

[2:22:04] Voice 6: Without, I don't want to misspeak at all.

[2:22:07] Voice 6: So I think the best thing to do would be for everybody to actually go to the project website

[2:22:11] Voice 6: and to read the bylaw.

[2:22:13] Voice 6: I don't want to misspeak right now by doing a summarization.

[2:22:16] Voice 6: I don't think I have the proper information in front of me.

[2:22:19] Voice 6: but all that

[2:22:19] Voice 6: information is on the project's web page and um after the referrals are complete we're

[2:22:26] Voice 6: also going to come back together as a community in the ltc to discuss it more in detail so i think

[2:22:32] Voice 6: we'll just leave it at that in my nature okay

[2:22:36] Voice 4: thank you and that uh i think we should go ahead

[2:22:40] Voice 4: ahead and call for adjournment.

[2:22:43] Voice 6: All right. Thank you, everybody.