Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 10, 2024

[0:00:05] Trustee Elliott: Well, good morning, everyone. Hi, it's Gwail. Hello and welcome to the regularly scheduled

[0:00:11] Trustee Elliott: meeting of the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee. I want to begin by acknowledging that we are,

[0:00:18] Trustee Elliott: as always, grateful to be able to live, work, and gather today in locations across traditional

[0:00:25] Trustee Elliott: territories of many Coast Salish peoples and the nations with interests in this local trust area,

[0:00:31] Trustee Elliott: of course, the Penelakut tribe, and the Laiaksin First Nation.

[0:00:35] Trustee Elliott: And so we're grateful to these nations, as always, for their continued stewardship

[0:00:40] Trustee Elliott: of these lands and waters and their relationship today.

[0:00:43] Trustee Elliott: So I'm Toby Elliott, elected on the Cabriolet Island in the Senegal territory.

[0:00:48] Trustee Elliott: I'm chair of the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:51] Trustee Elliott: I'm joined today by our Thetis Island Local Trustees.

[0:00:55] Trustee Elliott: You're welcome.

[0:00:57] Trustee Elliott: And Kat and Hunter, if you want to say any words of welcome

[0:01:02] Trustee Elliott: close

[0:01:03] Voice 6: well um i'll just say good morning and indeed acknowledge i am grateful to wake up

[0:01:08] Voice 6: every day to live and work in uh laxman canal territory here on fetus island

[0:01:15] Voice 6: and more broadly territories throughout the entire region um i'd like to reflect on that

[0:01:22] Voice 6: uh in my remarks um and that we're entering into fall time of harvest time of fish

[0:01:29] Voice 6: time of celebration of the summer and um that those activities have been sustained here

[0:01:37] Voice 6: uh since time immemorial and uh certainly there's um uh happiness and the result of

[0:01:44] Voice 6: tragedy and grief and justice and uh is committed to uh myself are committed to

[0:01:50] Voice 6: do what we can to resolve some of those issues thank you

[0:01:57] Voice 5: and

[0:02:01] Trustee Elliott: of course we're joined by our staff

[0:02:03] Trustee Elliott: We've got a planner, Margot Leibitz, our meeting facilitator, meditator, Lisa Millard.

[0:02:11] Trustee Elliott: Welcome, your first time on Thetis?

[0:02:14] Trustee Elliott: No, I took notes here about, I don't know, eight or nine years ago.

[0:02:20] Trustee Elliott: Oh, okay.

[0:02:21] Trustee Elliott: But

[0:02:22] Voice 5: this community hall

[0:02:23] Trustee Elliott: is not, it was not here.

[0:02:24] Trustee Elliott: It's beautiful.

[0:02:25] Trustee Elliott: It's really beautiful.

[0:02:26] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[0:02:26] Trustee Elliott: Hope that helps.

[0:02:27] Trustee Elliott: It's a beautiful meeting facility.

[0:02:30] Trustee Elliott: And I don't think we're joined by any staff online, if I'm not mistaken.

[0:02:37] Trustee Elliott: So we'll move to, of course, call the meeting to order and approve the agenda.

[0:02:42] Trustee Elliott: Is there any amendments or anything else we need to change or consider on this agenda

[0:02:48] Trustee Elliott: today?

[0:02:52] Voice 6: No, I have a question which I'd like to ask, but I can do that and follow up actually.

[0:02:58] Trustee Elliott: Perfect.

[0:02:59] Trustee Elliott: We'll move to approve the agenda by general consent and move into our report section.

[0:03:07] Trustee Elliott: So the opportunity for trustees to provide a report to community and community activities

[0:03:15] Trustee Elliott: for work that you've done in the local trust area.

[0:03:18] Trustee Elliott: Who would like to go first?

[0:03:22] Voice 3: Peter, do you want to go?

[0:03:24] Voice 3: Okay, well, I've been doing a lot of thinking about taxation due to Mr. Duncan's report.

[0:03:33] Voice 3: And so I thought I would phone my brothers up and just see what amount we actually paid

[0:03:41] Voice 3: to the Allen's drugs every year.

[0:03:45] Voice 3: And it came to $2,906.21.

[0:03:51] Voice 3: 21 cents. So I thought, well, maybe we have too much property. And then someone else said,

[0:04:00] Voice 3: well, maybe you have too much government. I'm kind of with the latter. Other than that,

[0:04:08] Voice 3: I really hope we can find a solution to the problem down on Pilgrim Point Road. I think

[0:04:16] Voice 3: that we should be putting our efforts toward that end because i'm hearing a lot of feedback from

[0:04:22] Voice 3: the island wondering why it isn't getting done thank you thank

[0:04:32] Voice 6: you um so i'm going to just

[0:04:35] Voice 6: follow on your remarks about the filter because it's probably not terribly obvious to everybody

[0:04:40] Voice 6: but maybe staff has usually broken it as well you can ask i don't fall back from this but

[0:04:46] Voice 6: But indeed, there is action.

[0:04:48] Voice 6: It just gets into the legal system.

[0:04:50] Voice 6: It's slow.

[0:04:55] Voice 6: And bylaw enforcement has been recently on the site.

[0:04:58] Voice 6: And contracts or contractors have been on site to visit to provide bids for the cleanup of that property.

[0:05:08] Voice 6: And so, indeed, it will now be up to us to reflect on those bids and for Council to approve funding to clean that up.

[0:05:17] Voice 6: And so that work is undertaking.

[0:05:20] Voice 6: And I also just want to say that I'm sure you appreciate that too, Ken, is that my heart goes out to the family and to Davis,

[0:05:28] Voice 6: who is presently in jail for other unrelated reasons to what's going on on that property.

[0:05:36] Voice 6: but it's a hard time for them and the family and Davis is unable to look after his personal

[0:05:42] Voice 6: affairs and so unfortunately we have to intervene but my kids went to school with them

[0:05:49] Voice 6: your nieces and nephews also did the same and we're a small community and it's a difficulty

[0:05:57] Voice 6: and can

[0:05:57] Voice 3: I just respond to that yeah I'm wondering how you have knowledge of all of that

[0:06:04] Voice 3: as a trustee, but I

[0:06:06] Voice 3: have heard none of that.

[0:06:08] Voice 6: Well, because I've passed your bio-enforcement

[0:06:10] Voice 6: mostly, and

[0:06:13] Voice 6: I am on executive

[0:06:14] Voice 6: committee, although we haven't actually heard that

[0:06:16] Voice 6: through executive committee. So no, I've just

[0:06:18] Voice 6: been on bio-enforcement constantly.

[0:06:20] Voice 6: That's my commitment to the community

[0:06:22] Voice 6: to advance this, and so that's

[0:06:24] Voice 6: how I'm voting.

[0:06:28] Voice 6: So on

[0:06:29] Voice 6: that, I'll just segue into

[0:06:31] Voice 6: what's been going on

[0:06:33] Voice 6: since July. I actually escaped the country and went to visit my mom in the UK at the beginning

[0:06:40] Voice 6: of July. It's been a very busy summer with lots of island meetings. And one of the highlights

[0:06:49] Voice 6: was actually I traveled up to Qualicum at the beginning of August there for the Mount

[0:06:55] Voice 6: Aerosmith Gladiator Reserve opening of an educational center in downtown Policum and of

[0:07:04] Voice 6: course that is Policum territory and we were met and heard words and song from a Qualicum Nation

[0:07:15] Voice 6: member um what has really struck me in that event that that uh the uh that whole area of

[0:07:24] Voice 6: monterey smith which is within the islands trust area of the executive committee items

[0:07:28] Voice 6: or um yeah the balloon is from chelsea islands more appropriately named um the the the gentleman

[0:07:39] Voice 6: from qualicum who i don't remember his name uh unfortunately at this moment um spoke to the fact

[0:07:45] Voice 6: that he was singing and reading dust in Qualicum,

[0:07:50] Voice 6: in the language of the Qualicum people,

[0:07:52] Voice 6: which was determined by the government,

[0:07:55] Voice 6: not no surprise, to be extinct.

[0:07:58] Voice 6: And he and other members of the Qualicum nation

[0:08:00] Voice 6: were able to represent themselves as Qualicum people

[0:08:03] Voice 6: speaking Qualicum language.

[0:08:05] Voice 6: And the government has now acknowledged

[0:08:08] Voice 6: that that language continues to exist

[0:08:11] Voice 6: and is being revitalized by the Qualicum people.

[0:08:14] Voice 6: and I'm just so grateful to hear that because of course the language and the oral history is so

[0:08:19] Voice 6: important for the memories and the acknowledgement of this place of the First Nations people since

[0:08:25] Voice 6: Memorial. We are preparing for Council and I'll let Toby Elliott as the Chair

[0:08:33] Voice 6: reveal us on those activities that's coming up in Nanaimo. Looking forward to that. That's it.

[0:08:39] Voice 6: Mm

[0:08:39] Trustee Elliott: -hmm. Thank you, trustees. Yes, indeed, we are preparing for press council. Tomorrow,

[0:08:47] Trustee Elliott: we meet as executive committee to review the agenda and make some tweaks. I would say one

[0:08:55] Trustee Elliott: significant, there's many significant pieces of work coming. The project to review Bumble

[0:09:03] Trustee Elliott: law enforcement and compliance broadly and sort of advanced to phase two that staff brought forward

[0:09:13] Trustee Elliott: suggested amendments to our policy the trust council policies on by law enforcement 5.5.1

[0:09:21] Trustee Elliott: so the regional planning committee we discussed those at length made some changes and are

[0:09:26] Trustee Elliott: are advancing our recommendations to council to consider um there is other work that we've said

[0:09:34] Trustee Elliott: needs to be refined a bit more so the manual that staff have been working on which would be more the

[0:09:41] Trustee Elliott: public-facing document how the public engages with the islands trust in bylaw enforcement what

[0:09:48] Trustee Elliott: happens we said that needs some work in terms of plain language so it's not going to go to

[0:09:54] Trustee Elliott: trust council yet um the other piece of work of course we're preparing for ubcm which is

[0:10:05] Trustee Elliott: just next week peter right right uh so day one of ubcm the union of bc municipalities

[0:10:12] Trustee Elliott: um is uh a community to community um forum on reconciliation there's going to be a lot

[0:10:20] Trustee Elliott: lot of First Nation members, leaders there, and with local government leaders that have

[0:10:27] Trustee Elliott: chosen to participate in that.

[0:10:29] Trustee Elliott: I'm really excited to see the programming where it's going to be at tables.

[0:10:34] Trustee Elliott: We're going to have those conversations and do a lot of learning about how to advance

[0:10:38] Trustee Elliott: reconciliation in our local government frameworks.

[0:10:40] Trustee Elliott: So that's on the Monday.

[0:10:42] Trustee Elliott: Of course, we're hoping to meet with Ministry of Health staff, Ministry of Building Standards,

[0:10:51] Trustee Elliott: staff. We didn't get any administrative meetings, but we're hoping to advance the Islands Trust

[0:10:59] Trustee Elliott: resolution to request the Ministry of Health review the manual on composting in Florida

[0:11:07] Trustee Elliott: that's in Greenwater practice. So that is the one resolution the Islands Trust has made

[0:11:11] Trustee Elliott: and really bring it up to date with the science that the manual is basically just too conservative

[0:11:20] Trustee Elliott: And we need to have some other options for safely handling sewage and waste than just septic systems.

[0:11:30] Voice 6: There's a note, Toby, that that manual authored by local Cedar South residents.

[0:11:37] Trustee Elliott: Of course. That's right.

[0:11:40] Trustee Elliott: So I actually was in contact with Ian Ralston way back in 2016.

[0:11:45] Trustee Elliott: and I touched base with him again just recently asking you know what's your opinion of the manual

[0:11:51] Trustee Elliott: and he said it's great obviously he did the work um but it's too conservative and needs an update

[0:11:58] Trustee Elliott: and so he uh so the the experts in the field have confirmed that so I'm really hoping we're

[0:12:04] Trustee Elliott: going to have some positive conversations so thanks for that reminder um on the budget note

[0:12:11] Trustee Elliott: we're refining our process and I would say we've had some

[0:12:15] Trustee Elliott: conversation with a representative

[0:12:20] Trustee Elliott: from the taxpayers group, is that it?

[0:12:24] Trustee Elliott: Or the rate payers group?

[0:12:26] Voice 6: It's actually the forum

[0:12:28] Voice 6: it's a body that is bringing together all of

[0:12:32] Voice 6: the various groups

[0:12:35] Voice 6: and so he has an interest in that

[0:12:40] Voice 6: that and has worked with Wendy Hinsperger, I believe, who is the past chair of the Cedars-Hatton

[0:12:48] Voice 6: Ratepayers Association, and they have analyzed the regional district funding and the trust

[0:12:56] Voice 6: funding and improvement district to some extent to try to understand a determined value for

[0:13:02] Voice 6: money.

[0:13:05] Trustee Elliott: So there's been a little bit of email back and forth, and I know they've sent some questions

[0:13:09] Trustee Elliott: to our director of event services um and what we're hoping is to what financial planning committee

[0:13:20] Trustee Elliott: has done is create some guidelines here is what trust council needs to consider and putting some

[0:13:28] Trustee Elliott: boundaries around what do we fund for instance is it just projects related to the strategic plan

[0:13:35] Trustee Elliott: and nothing else is it a cap on new salaries or new positions and that sort of thing and so we

[0:13:43] Trustee Elliott: present those guidelines to trust council in September and trust council will decide whether

[0:13:49] Trustee Elliott: it agrees or not and adopt some guidelines and then on the other side of that the corporate

[0:13:54] Trustee Elliott: planning process has been progressing to the point that I think there's going to be a lot

[0:14:00] Trustee Elliott: more coherence between the business plans that are presented and the department plans with staff

[0:14:05] Trustee Elliott: resourcing and how that works out through the fiscal year so it's been a long time coming to

[0:14:11] Trustee Elliott: understand the whole picture i think budgeting was well when i came into this job two years ago it

[0:14:17] Trustee Elliott: was uh not a familiar um construct and it feels like we're creating a new uh structure as as we're

[0:14:27] Trustee Elliott: you know we need to meet our commitments to um undertake a rigorous budgeting process so it's

[0:14:34] Trustee Elliott: it's been a bit challenging but i hope we're going to get through again um what am i missing

[0:14:42] Trustee Elliott: uh i would say one thing actually just in in light of of reconciliation and sort of referral

[0:14:49] Trustee Elliott: processes that report that we've been waiting for from planning committee is coming to trust council

[0:14:57] Trustee Elliott: the Islands Trust has been seeking to understand how we can better structure our referrals to First Nations.

[0:15:06] Trustee Elliott: Do we need a longer referral window? Do we need different sorts of communication?

[0:15:12] Trustee Elliott: Do we need staff-to-staff meetings? And so this has been a year in the making,

[0:15:19] Trustee Elliott: learning in particular from Comox First Nations, the Namak First Nation and others.

[0:15:24] Trustee Elliott: and that's going to come to trust council as well so how can we improve our road processes

[0:15:31] Trustee Elliott: and just from my learning from gabriola what we had managed to set up with council to council

[0:15:39] Trustee Elliott: meetings which kind of ends

[0:15:41] Trustee Elliott: up being council to staff lots of staff there we've been able to work

[0:15:46] Trustee Elliott: through our projects and sort of say where are we going with this oce review when would you like to

[0:15:52] Trustee Elliott: comment on it what sort of material and I think that's helped hugely to improve the communication

[0:16:01] Trustee Elliott: between our bodies and so I think more regular council to council meetings are going to pay off

[0:16:07] Trustee Elliott: a lot in the long run with improving our processes it's not just about process it's about people

[0:16:13] Trustee Elliott: we have to meet together we have to talk and then finally CEOHC so we've been in the hiring process

[0:16:22] Trustee Elliott: process for our new CAO. And I think, Terry, you gave an update to all trustees, but for

[0:16:32] Trustee Elliott: the public, what can we share that we've interviewed candidates?

[0:16:36] Voice 6: Well, we're going through the process. We had a significant number of candidates expressing

[0:16:42] Voice 6: interest from across the country. I think it was 100 applicants. We'll have that down

[0:16:50] Voice 6: to a dozen or so and then we've narrowed that down to five and then now narrowed down to two

[0:16:58] Voice 6: and we're entering the final phase of person-to-person interviews and next week in fact

[0:17:05] Voice 6: we will advance that it's going to say anything about decisions but we'll advance

[0:17:12] Voice 6: advance that work and hopefully build a new cao in the not too distant future it's a huge

[0:17:19] Trustee Elliott: process i hadn't realized how much would be entailed but i have to say i'm very impressed

[0:17:25] Trustee Elliott: with the um the consulting firm that we contracted they got everything done really quickly turned

[0:17:32] Trustee Elliott: over a huge amount of material so that we could review all these candidates but as you say a

[0:17:38] Trustee Elliott: hundred applicants from across the country means the board went far and wide and there was a lot

[0:17:44] Trustee Elliott: of interest in the position so i i do feel like we got we have the privilege of picking from one

[0:17:50] Trustee Elliott: list so

[0:17:53] Voice 6: yeah it comes a dozen anyone would be an action it was very incredibly hard

[0:18:01] Trustee Elliott: great so trust council meets uh not next week but the following week um 24th 25th and 26th in

[0:18:09] Trustee Elliott: Nanaimo um let's see what else I can fill in I think that's about it

[0:18:18] Voice 6: so I can just add I neglected to um I actually met with Paul Duncan um two weeks ago

[0:18:26] Voice 6: and spent quite a bit of time through him going through the entire document that he's created

[0:18:35] Voice 6: let's just say correcting some assumptions and information that maybe wasn't completely correct

[0:18:41] Voice 6: in my opinion and I believe he has incorporated those into the final version gotta be honest I

[0:18:50] Voice 6: have not read the final version yet there's been a lot going on that only came in last week I think

[0:18:56] Voice 6: but i plan on reviewing that more closely and i'm thankful for the work that he's done there

[0:19:01] Voice 6: are many areas that we read on and some that perhaps right

[0:19:05] Trustee Elliott: so and just for clarity he the

[0:19:09] Trustee Elliott: group he's been part of has been looking at the entire uh taxation for the cbrd it's not just

[0:19:16] Trustee Elliott: and then the honest okay yeah

[0:19:18] Voice 6: i just focused on the uh honest trust component and corrected some

[0:19:24] Voice 6: assumptions about services that particularly about duplication services which there are not

[0:19:30] Voice 6: because the audience trust our jurisdiction and the regional district with their jurisdiction

[0:19:35] Voice 6: that it's pretty clear and in fact years ago you remember ken when we revised the ocp and the lub

[0:19:43] Voice 6: we actually took all of that language out of the ocp lub that implies that we had

[0:19:49] Voice 6: had discretion over areas of which we did not.

[0:19:55] Voice 3: And so

[0:19:56] Voice 6: I think actually we're

[0:19:57] Voice 3: in good shape now.

[0:19:58] Voice 3: One thing I did notice on the final report,

[0:20:02] Voice 3: he did not recommend that we abolish the item of stress

[0:20:05] Voice 3: in the first month, so he must've got to.

[0:20:08] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:20:11] Trustee Elliott: That's a good point, okay.

[0:20:13] Trustee Elliott: Wasn't sure that report would lead to that recommendation,

[0:20:16] Trustee Elliott: but okay then.

[0:20:19] Trustee Elliott: Well, excellent. Well, thank you for all of your reports and for filling out local knowledge.

[0:20:26] Trustee Elliott: I don't believe we have an electoral area directly to report.

[0:20:34] Trustee Elliott: So we'll open the floor now for public comments. I recognize there are two members of the public

[0:20:42] Trustee Elliott: here today and um but i think we'll invite you to make comments during our discussion on the

[0:20:53] Trustee Elliott: rezoning application is that appropriate okay great so a little bit of space to do that then

[0:21:00] Trustee Elliott: i

[0:21:00] Voice 6: i would like to ask um i want to acknowledge actually that not members of the republic but

[0:21:07] Voice 6: I represent to take representation from Blacks in First Nation,

[0:21:11] Voice 6: and I'm really grateful and glad that you're here.

[0:21:14] Voice 6: And having you here makes me reflect that despite the fact that I've asked

[0:21:20] Voice 6: to have some reporting out function from nations when and if they choose

[0:21:26] Voice 6: to attend, that would happen following World War IV, the trustee report.

[0:21:32] Voice 6: I would like to just ask you, outside of the application,

[0:21:37] Voice 6: um whether karen you would like to or or uh tyler whether you would like to say anything to the um

[0:21:44] Voice 6: seat sign local trust committee um we've certainly had back and forth dynamic elements of the

[0:21:51] Voice 6: relationship um i'd say we failed in uh in a number of aspects of a referral which was the

[0:21:59] Voice 6: of the conversation we've had there, not purposefully.

[0:22:05] Voice 6: And I hope that we strive to do better.

[0:22:08] Voice 6: But I want to just provide that opportunity.

[0:22:10] Voice 6: If you so choose, I'm not pressuring you into that.

[0:22:14] Voice 6: But outside of the application, I

[0:22:16] Voice 6: want to honor and respect that you're here.

[0:22:18] Voice 6: And if you wish to say something, I'd love to hear it.

[0:22:22] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Peter.

[0:22:23] Trustee Elliott: I think we came prepared to speak to this specific item.

[0:22:28] Trustee Elliott: and that's what our leadership is aware we're speaking to.

[0:22:31] Trustee Elliott: So I want to make sure that I stay on point,

[0:22:34] Trustee Elliott: but I'd probably cover off a few of those things

[0:22:36] Trustee Elliott: in a couple of comments I make.

[0:22:38] Trustee Elliott: So thanks again.

[0:22:39] Trustee Elliott: I look forward to hearing the report from staff.

[0:22:42] Voice 6: And if you don't mind, Toby,

[0:22:44] Voice 6: I'd like to acknowledge the retirement of Chief Thomas

[0:22:48] Voice 6: and I just learned today the appointment

[0:22:51] Voice 6: of a new member of the Cherry Chief.

[0:22:54] Voice 6: I think Sharon Thomas.

[0:22:57] Voice 6: Shannon.

[0:22:57] Voice 6: and so grateful for that news and we look forward to an opportunity to avail itself to meet

[0:23:04] Voice 6: thank you thank

[0:23:13] Trustee Elliott: you for that um we'll open the floor if there are any speakers online who would

[0:23:18] Trustee Elliott: like to address the local trust committee um you can just use the raise your hand function

[0:23:24] Trustee Elliott: and uh we'll recognize you and promote you to speaker and notice that there's

[0:23:32] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Okay. No members of public. Mr. Chair. All right. So we'll move through public

[0:23:38] Trustee Elliott: comments if there are no further, um, there's not many wishes to address this committee

[0:23:45] Trustee Elliott: move in two minutes. So we've got minutes dated July 2nd. So the last time that we met

[0:23:52] Trustee Elliott: electronically, is there any changes or amendments to those minutes? Yes.

[0:23:58] Trustee Elliott: I

[0:23:59] Voice 3: just have one minor thing. On my report of the big oil, it said it would be discussed at the September meeting of the local trust committee, but I meant to say trust council, not local trust committee.

[0:24:15] Voice 3: That's where it's at. So I may have said local trust committee, but I meant to say trust council.

[0:24:23] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:24:25] Trustee Elliott: Great. Thanks for that.

[0:24:26] Trustee Elliott: Please bear

[0:24:30] Voice 6: with me a second. There was a remark here that I saw was inaccurate and I

[0:24:38] Voice 6: didn't mark

[0:24:39] Voice 6: it on this copy. Bear with me.

[0:24:42] Voice 5: Yeah, I'm

[0:24:43] Voice 6: not

[0:25:04] Voice 5: seeing it this time too.

[0:25:07] Voice 6: No, let it go. It was

[0:25:08] Voice 6: not substantial. Okay.

[0:25:13] Trustee Elliott: So we'll take it by general consent that the minutes of July 2nd, 2024 be

[0:25:22] Trustee Elliott: adopted. As amended. Thank you. And okay. So the follow up action list. Do we have any

[0:25:36] Trustee Elliott: questions or updates from my tomatoes? Page eight of your agenda.

[0:25:52] Voice 6: I do have a question, not on the report, but I think the business isn't concluded, which at least I don't think it's on the report.

[0:26:09] Voice 6: was the recent decision by the LTC to turn down the rezoning of the water zone for aquaculture

[0:26:21] Voice 6: purpose, which certainly doesn't suit the interests of Thetis Islanders. And we have it on

[0:26:30] Voice 6: good advice that the penelak are also not

[0:26:37] Voice 6: in support of that application and so it was turned down to rezone that we wrote a fairly

[0:26:45] Voice 6: strong letter to the minister of the environment uh advising them that they should rescind the

[0:26:51] Voice 6: the permit that was issued to them or was provisionally issued to them pending subdivision

[0:27:01] Voice 6: approval and given that that approval is not forthcoming that that permit should be rescinded

[0:27:08] Voice 6: and I would have anticipated we would be advised as that develops and I don't believe we've heard

[0:27:16] Voice 6: anything in um and what would you say you asked for with respect to seeking some uh confirmation

[0:27:24] Voice 6: or assurance that that permit has been withdrawn through

[0:27:30] Trustee Elliott: the chair we can follow up with the with

[0:27:33] Trustee Elliott: planner and parker um right to reach out because she was the right the application manager for that

[0:27:40] Trustee Elliott: to reach out to the contact of the problems about it okay um i'll also note that on your

[0:27:45] Trustee Elliott: follow-up action list we do have an action that the edsltc for the recently adopted by a lot of us

[0:27:52] Trustee Elliott: um as part of the other project the unzoning marine area project right the violence that

[0:27:59] Trustee Elliott: you just adopted in july um did you forward them to the ministry of environment in reference to

[0:28:04] Trustee Elliott: the zoning application yeah um and include a cover letter by the chair so you know that's just in

[0:28:10] Voice 6: progress is that

[0:28:11] Voice 6: done

[0:28:12] Trustee Elliott: that's not done yet we

[0:28:14] Voice 6: should get on yeah

[0:28:15] Trustee Elliott: that should that would probably

[0:28:17] Trustee Elliott: initiate okay confirmation so

[0:28:19] Voice 6: then let's let's get that done

[0:28:21] Trustee Elliott: the bylaw consolidation is almost

[0:28:23] Trustee Elliott: complete like being updated oh

[0:28:25] Voice 6: i think so

[0:28:26] Trustee Elliott: fire legislative points oh

[0:28:27] Voice 6: i see so it's pending that

[0:28:28] Voice 6: consolidation

[0:28:29] Trustee Elliott: okay okay

[0:28:31] Voice 6: okay that's good it's really important i think that we assert the

[0:28:37] Voice 6: Yes, so we're the Allianz Trust to protect the natural environment.

[0:28:44] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:28:46] Trustee Elliott: So when we include the cover letter written by the chair, can we make reference to that permit and say, for instance, in this application, we've returned it, we're still waiting for a run-by.

[0:29:00] Trustee Elliott: It's this time.

[0:29:01] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[0:29:02] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:29:03] Trustee Elliott: Do we need to amend the follow-up action list just so we don't miss it?

[0:29:06] Trustee Elliott: No, I would say it's pretty clear.

[0:29:08] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:29:09] Trustee Elliott: Thanks. Thank

[0:29:10] Voice 6: you, Toby, for that clarity, because the other thing that's important there is the minister has approved that bylaw for this new area rezoning, right?

[0:29:21] Voice 6: And so, therefore, the principles have been supported by our ministry, and we would expect that the minister of environment would support our interests also.

[0:29:33] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:29:34] Voice 6: It's great that everybody is respectful, but it was certain.

[0:29:39] Voice 6: Thank you, Toby.

[0:29:45] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:29:45] Voice 5: Margaret, can you react to that?

[0:29:48] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:29:49] Voice 5: Great.

[0:29:50] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:29:52] Trustee Elliott: Excellent.

[0:29:54] Trustee Elliott: And then, yeah, so we do have.

[0:30:00] Trustee Elliott: Do we have a full Advisory Planning Commission again? I see that the letters have been sent out.

[0:30:10] Trustee Elliott: I just haven't seen if anybody's actually... It's okay.

[0:30:17] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, we talked to our Planning Team Assistant. She's been...

[0:30:21] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, there hasn't been any updates on expression within the experience of others yet.

[0:30:31] Trustee Elliott: yeah just i noticed the yeah the expiry notices went out in july

[0:30:39] Trustee Elliott: and so we're waiting for expressions of interest so if anybody in theta silo would like to or the

[0:30:46] Trustee Elliott: accident delegate would like to be on the advisory planning commission that advises the local trust

[0:30:52] Trustee Elliott: committee on matters such as are on our agenda today we'd be grateful if anybody wants to apply

[0:31:01] Trustee Elliott: so we don't see that we've got any applications

[0:31:13] Trustee Elliott: we're a quiet place

[0:31:19] Trustee Elliott: it's very quiet

[0:31:25] Trustee Elliott: Everybody who is attending for the question is now in the room.

[0:31:31] Trustee Elliott: Great, so there's nothing else on the follow-up action list.

[0:31:39] Trustee Elliott: We have no delegations and so we'll move to item 8.1.

[0:31:45] Trustee Elliott: The rezoning application PPL RRZ 2024.0105.

[0:31:53] Trustee Elliott: the connected coast fiber optic installation page 10 of our agendas and I'll recognize the speakers

[0:32:00] Trustee Elliott: or participants online and have them promoted to speakers so they can participate. So what

[0:32:08] Trustee Elliott: we'll do is we'll move through and have the planner present the project, typically have the applicant

[0:32:14] Trustee Elliott: can speak to anything and have uh representatives from the accent here speak to it and then we'll

[0:32:23] Trustee Elliott: have some dialogue thank you over to you margo yes thank you charlie elliott so yeah the purpose

[0:32:33] Trustee Elliott: of this report is to introduce a rezoning application which seeks to permit the establishment

[0:32:37] Trustee Elliott: and use of telecommunications utilities specifically fiber optic cable uh utility in the

[0:32:44] Trustee Elliott: Marine Conservation Zone adjacent to Valdez Island. The applicant, Connected Coast, is proposing changes

[0:32:53] Trustee Elliott: to the text portion of the Marine Conservation Zone regulation in the Bible to commit the

[0:32:59] Trustee Elliott: installation, operation, and maintenance of fiber optic telecommunications cables.

[0:33:05] Trustee Elliott: This staff report provides the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee with a preliminary overview of the

[0:33:11] Trustee Elliott: proposal as part of the wider connected coast project to place subsea fiber optic cable in

[0:33:17] Trustee Elliott: the marine area adjacent to valdez island and on indian reserve number four the english jingle

[0:33:24] Trustee Elliott: point to allow residents in this community to access many essential services such as online

[0:33:30] Trustee Elliott: education health and e-commerce the report outlines how the proposal aligns with the valdez

[0:33:37] Trustee Elliott: Island rural land use bylaw and introduces the regulatory changes to enable the application.

[0:33:43] Trustee Elliott: Staff recommends the LTC proceed with the stress process for bylaw text amendment.

[0:33:50] Trustee Elliott: The main recommendations that staff are making are to prepare draft bylaws to amend the latest

[0:33:56] Trustee Elliott: amendment, P.I. 142, a development amendment for a land use bylaw in 1998, to proceed with

[0:34:03] Trustee Elliott: application to permit fiber optic communication public service utility in the marine conservation

[0:34:09] Trustee Elliott: zone staff are also recommending that the thing is every local press committee uh expedite this

[0:34:16] Trustee Elliott: application uh and that they're not that the ltc is not actually required to hold a public hearing

[0:34:22] Trustee Elliott: on bylaw number 115 which is the proposed draft bylaw because the bylaw is actually consistent

[0:34:29] Trustee Elliott: with policies and objectives in part one of the Volga Island Rural Land Use By-law.

[0:34:34] Trustee Elliott: For clarity, the Volga Island Rural Land Use By-law is a bit unique in that it's both an

[0:34:40] Trustee Elliott: official community plan and is owning regulation by-law in one document. So part one considers

[0:34:46] Trustee Elliott: policies and objectives much like an OCQ would. Part two of the by-law considers funding

[0:34:53] Trustee Elliott: regulations, the same as the land use bylaw, the same as the asylum tax for other specific bylaws.

[0:35:03] Trustee Elliott: And so because the proposed draft bylaw with changes to the marine conservation zone

[0:35:09] Trustee Elliott: is consistent with the policies and objectives in part one, staff are recommending proceeding with

[0:35:17] Trustee Elliott: public notification per the local government without holding a public hearing so there's some

[0:35:26] Trustee Elliott: process requirements involved in that including early referral sending out notification prior to

[0:35:33] Trustee Elliott: first reading of the draft bylaws so the process would look a little different than the usual

[0:35:37] Trustee Elliott: zoning or land use bylaw amendment process and that that just would go about where first reading

[0:35:46] Trustee Elliott: is considered so the staff would be directed to draft the bylaws and then do referrals pending

[0:35:55] Trustee Elliott: LTC direction notification and then in November to bring back draft bylaws with referral responses

[0:36:03] Trustee Elliott: for potential consideration in first reading and so that's all laid out in the staff report and

[0:36:13] Trustee Elliott: staff also when the staff report was written recommended that uh the local trust committee

[0:36:20] Trustee Elliott: request doctor referred the draft bylaw to a number of agencies and first nations um and

[0:36:27] Trustee Elliott: then after the stock report was published uh upon conversation with a consultation coordinator

[0:36:33] Trustee Elliott: to the lax in first nation uh it was indicated that laxon would prefer a different approach to

[0:36:39] Trustee Elliott: to referrals that didn't include the long list of 10 other nations in the consultative

[0:36:49] Trustee Elliott: areas database list that was generated and is listed in the staff report.

[0:36:54] Trustee Elliott: So I think Karen Scott, the consultation coordinator for LAACS and First Nation is here today to

[0:37:02] Trustee Elliott: speak to that as well later.

[0:37:04] Trustee Elliott: later. And then yeah, staff are really wanting some guidance

[0:37:09] Trustee Elliott: and direction from the LTC on exactly how you'd like the

[0:37:12] Trustee Elliott: consultation to look for this, this rezoning application. In

[0:37:17] Trustee Elliott: the interest of time, not holding a public hearing is

[0:37:22] Trustee Elliott: recommended. And yeah, considering different approaches

[0:37:28] Trustee Elliott: to referrals and consultation to make sure that the the

[0:37:36] Trustee Elliott: So just for clarity, at the time of the report, your recommendation was, sorry, I'm just looking for the reducing the referral period if we choose to refer this application to the same agencies that SRDCCC has already referred to, which is the crown referral process, crown application?

[0:38:13] Trustee Elliott: Yes, so yeah, and I should also clarify that the other three three members of the Connected

[0:38:18] Trustee Elliott: Coast, our City West team are available to answer questions today as well. Christina

[0:38:24] Trustee Elliott: Owen, Cheryl Catnip, and Wes, I'm sorry for mispronouncing your last name. So yeah, they

[0:38:34] Trustee Elliott: can also offer more more details about what that initial consultation process looked like

[0:38:39] Trustee Elliott: with the promise and then I think that it's the LTC should consider whether they'd like to refer

[0:38:48] Trustee Elliott: out all of those agencies again and in what capacity and what the deferral period should be

[0:38:56] Trustee Elliott: really referrals are not required a requirement of this rezoning application but they're best

[0:39:01] Trustee Elliott: practice there's a standard referral practice to nations and agencies for any rezoning

[0:39:07] Trustee Elliott: but there's some flexibility with what that process looks like.

[0:39:14] Trustee Elliott: So just let me ask again, so our process is you know typically you'd drop the bylaws,

[0:39:26] you'd have first reading and then you'd refer out to

[0:39:29] Trustee Elliott: all the different agencies.

[0:39:30] Trustee Elliott: What you're recommending is waiving public hearing so that we draft the bylaws, do early referral

[0:39:38] Trustee Elliott: and further tweak the process so that we're not duplicating

[0:39:43] Trustee Elliott: a referral that has already happened through the Crown lease process?

[0:39:49] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[0:39:50] Trustee Elliott: And do specific targeted referrals to who?

[0:39:55] Trustee Elliott: To LIACs and First Nation.

[0:39:57] Trustee Elliott: And there's a list of other agencies,

[0:40:02] Trustee Elliott: like the Cowichan Valley Regional District.

[0:40:05] Trustee Elliott: And just look at that.

[0:40:07] Trustee Elliott: yeah and the ministry and then dfo right okay and then subsequent to the writing of the report

[0:40:17] Trustee Elliott: you've had conversations which we're going to hear today um so instead of referring out to

[0:40:23] Trustee Elliott: 10 first nations really just to lay out some first nations uh to have that conversation okay

[0:40:29] Trustee Elliott: just wanted to make sure i have that clear questions for the planner before we go to the

[0:40:34] Trustee Elliott: applicant online um

[0:40:39] Voice 6: i guess i have one question and then i have a suggestion um why is this called

[0:40:47] Voice 6: a plr i've not seen that before oh

[0:40:50] Trustee Elliott: right so this is an administrative update based on the new city

[0:40:55] Trustee Elliott: view application portal that we've done this year like this is a new um a new system for accepting

[0:41:02] Trustee Elliott: accepting applications that just started in earlier in the spring of this year okay so

[0:41:08] Voice 6: this has nothing to do with provider location registry or any other

[0:41:12] Voice 6: thing so what does the

[0:41:13] Voice 6: acronym mean I'm

[0:41:15] Trustee Elliott: actually unsure it's probably planning planning or is it rezoning okay

[0:41:20] Voice 6: it's

[0:41:21] Voice 6: just that's the first time I've seen that yeah two years of being tested

[0:41:25] Trustee Elliott: this is the

[0:41:26] Trustee Elliott: new filing convention system, part of the city, city view, right? I will stress application portal system. Unfortunately, there was no way to keep our old filing system. So it's a change.

[0:41:41] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:41:41] Voice 6: Okay. So I'm in favor of doing whatever is necessary to advance this, and the recommendation you provided seemed reasonable.

[0:41:52] Voice 6: But first and foremost, I think, even before we hear from the applicant, I would like to hear from Karen Scott and Alex and Lax and First Nation about their perspective on this,

[0:42:02] Voice 6: because I want to ensure that we're conducting ourselves in a respectful manner with the LACs and plans.

[0:42:15] Voice 6: That's my case.

[0:42:18] Voice 6: Would you

[0:42:20] Trustee Elliott: like to speak now?

[0:42:22] Trustee Elliott: Certainly.

[0:42:23] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, okay.

[0:42:24] Trustee Elliott: Hi, Chika.

[0:42:25] Trustee Elliott: I'll put it over to you next, Brielle.

[0:42:27] Trustee Elliott: My name is Karen Scott, as you know,

[0:42:29] Trustee Elliott: and I'm a representative of the South Representative for LACs and First Nation

[0:42:32] Trustee Elliott: with responsibility for consultations and engagement.

[0:42:35] Trustee Elliott: I'm accompanied by my colleague, Tyler James,

[0:42:38] Trustee Elliott: who's a Laiakson community member

[0:42:39] Trustee Elliott: and also our cultural records coordinator.

[0:42:42] Trustee Elliott: And so I appreciate that this may seem

[0:42:45] Trustee Elliott: a minor administrative item to this table,

[0:42:47] Trustee Elliott: but for our community, it actually harkens back

[0:42:50] Trustee Elliott: to how successive administrations

[0:42:52] Trustee Elliott: and levels of government since contact

[0:42:54] Trustee Elliott: have been making decisions

[0:42:55] Trustee Elliott: about Indigenous territories in a vacuum.

[0:42:59] Trustee Elliott: This place that you're discussing today,

[0:43:01] Trustee Elliott: bother dispassionately is part of my acts in homeland. The community's stated desire

[0:43:06] Trustee Elliott: indeed the attention of the community has always been publicly to take back and take out

[0:43:11] Trustee Elliott: authority over their unceded land territory and waters and resources. This should be no surprise.

[0:43:19] Trustee Elliott: The staff report notes that this referral was received by Islands Trust in March 2024.

[0:43:25] Trustee Elliott: We're now in September. Apparently also this committee received a presentation from Connected

[0:43:31] Trustee Elliott: to go set your July 2nd meeting

[0:43:32] Trustee Elliott: to introduce the proposal

[0:43:34] Trustee Elliott: and the resounding application.

[0:43:37] Trustee Elliott: What is curious to me and to the LIAXN

[0:43:39] Trustee Elliott: is that notwithstanding

[0:43:42] Trustee Elliott: that I expressed protocol agreement with LIAXN,

[0:43:45] Trustee Elliott: the first contact we had was September 3rd

[0:43:48] Trustee Elliott: in response to my August 23rd phone call.

[0:43:51] Trustee Elliott: Unfortunately, that was the day before

[0:43:53] Trustee Elliott: the day of the staff report was due,

[0:43:56] Trustee Elliott: which clearly did not give us much of a voice

[0:43:58] Trustee Elliott: in this process at all.

[0:43:59] Trustee Elliott: And that's really disheartening.

[0:44:02] Trustee Elliott: And so I asked, respectfully, what happened to nothing about our communities, our Indigenous communities, without us?

[0:44:11] Trustee Elliott: Island's Trust was already on notice that Laiakson was interested in this item,

[0:44:15] Trustee Elliott: as we had reached out to request information on the so-called Valdez Island Rural Land Use Bylaw in early summer.

[0:44:23] Trustee Elliott: I feel compelled to remind this committee that the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

[0:44:30] Trustee Elliott: affirms the nation's right to participate in decision-making matters,

[0:44:34] Trustee Elliott: not as a guest, but as a seat at the table,

[0:44:39] Trustee Elliott: not simply through a referral, not through a process, but at the outset.

[0:44:45] Trustee Elliott: And this engagement and consultation and deep, meaningful relationship

[0:44:50] Trustee Elliott: that you, Chair, spoke of earlier cannot occur when unilateral decisions

[0:44:55] Trustee Elliott: made by administrators don't allow our communities to be fully engaged.

[0:44:59] Trustee Elliott: age. Meaningful consultation can only occur when the consideration of the nation's needs

[0:45:05] Trustee Elliott: and our priorities are, and that hasn't happened yet until we arrive today. So in preparing

[0:45:13] Trustee Elliott: for this meeting, I wanted to look at and consider ILO's trust, commitment, and its

[0:45:19] Trustee Elliott: reconciliation action plan. And I want to do that so we can see that there's a gap between

[0:45:25] Trustee Elliott: stated intention and administrative action. I won't go through the document in detail.

[0:45:31] Trustee Elliott: detail, certainly you're more familiar with it than I am. But I will note where it states

[0:45:36] Trustee Elliott: that I like to trust and confirm it's a foundation for intergovernmental cooperation and mutual

[0:45:42] Trustee Elliott: support to work collaboratively towards respective community goals, objectives with First Nations

[0:45:48] Trustee Elliott: and communities. This is supposed to happen through protocol agreements and MOUs to establish

[0:45:54] Trustee Elliott: processes to share information and engage government to government on matters of shared

[0:46:00] Trustee Elliott: community interest. For some reason, in practice, that only happened after a lot of work was done.

[0:46:10] Trustee Elliott: As you well know, your reconciliation action plan is based on several principles.

[0:46:18] Trustee Elliott: I looked at it again recently and two, I think, are of critical importance to the matter for you

[0:46:24] Trustee Elliott: today. The first is Article 32 of UNRRA. That's the one that speaks to Indigenous people having

[0:46:30] Trustee Elliott: the right to determine and develop priorities and strategies for the development or use of their

[0:46:35] Trustee Elliott: lands or territories or other resources. The second I want to highlight for you is the Truth

[0:46:42] Trustee Elliott: and Reconciliation Commission call to action number 47, which calls upon federal, provincial,

[0:46:49] Trustee Elliott: territorial, municipal, local governments to repudiate concepts used to justify European

[0:46:56] Trustee Elliott: European sovereignty over Indigenous peoples in the lands, such as the Doctrine of Discovery,

[0:47:01] Trustee Elliott: Terra Nullius, and to reform those laws, policies, and strategies that continue to rely on those

[0:47:07] Trustee Elliott: concepts, like your Valdez Island Rural Land Use By-law.

[0:47:13] Trustee Elliott: And I'll just

[0:47:14] Trustee Elliott: note here that there are no records from Islands Trust or in our community

[0:47:18] Trustee Elliott: of anyone ever speaking to Lang accent about this Valdez Island Rural Land Use By-law.

[0:47:24] Trustee Elliott: And when we read it, and I discussed it with my colleague,

[0:47:27] Trustee Elliott: we found much of it to be quite distasteful.

[0:47:31] Trustee Elliott: The fact that you might have trustees somehow charged

[0:47:40] Trustee Elliott: with protecting Indigenous heritage is not consistent with our worldview.

[0:47:48] Trustee Elliott: And so these issues get into the core of UNGRIP,

[0:47:51] Trustee Elliott: and our Laksa First Nation leadership being able to exercise

[0:47:55] Trustee Elliott: size their decision-making authority and their rights in their territory. I remind you of the

[0:48:00] Trustee Elliott: inherent right of Indigenous nations to be self-governing decision-makers within their

[0:48:05] Trustee Elliott: respective territories, and this needs to be at the front of decision-making with the full

[0:48:09] Trustee Elliott: recognition of the Laiakson authority and jurisdiction. Laiakson has been actively involved

[0:48:16] Trustee Elliott: in this project for over three years. We've been working in good faith trying to re-establish our

[0:48:22] Trustee Elliott: communities present at Jingle Point are remote reserved for many many years. Peter Luckham came

[0:48:28] Trustee Elliott: and visited us with with us a number of years ago with our former leadership and this has been our

[0:48:35] Trustee Elliott: stated goal. Part of that work includes a guardian station and developments to provide support

[0:48:42] Trustee Elliott: and safety for staff and members when they are on the land or homeland. Key to providing critical

[0:48:48] Trustee Elliott: health and safety, arguably a human rights issue, is enabling modest connectivity infrastructure

[0:48:54] Trustee Elliott: as contemplated in the Connecticut Coast proposal. I won't go into detail about that proposal.

[0:49:01] Trustee Elliott: The representatives are online to answer your question. But let me be clear. This is for

[0:49:05] Trustee Elliott: Laiakse's community, not for Valdes Island residents. This is for Laiakse's First Nation,

[0:49:11] Trustee Elliott: on reserve land where this bylaw was never intended to apply or interfere.

[0:49:16] Trustee Elliott: fear. Liaxin, as you know, claims the land and the waters. Those can't be separated in an Indigenous

[0:49:24] Trustee Elliott: worldview as in your colonial system. It's all connected. You can see we feel pretty strongly

[0:49:32] Trustee Elliott: that Liaxin has full authority to make this decision on its own. It meant I had to come up

[0:49:37] Trustee Elliott: here today, and that's okay. It was a nice trip, but it does take away from other priorities in

[0:49:42] Trustee Elliott: the office and while i appreciate and acknowledge the change to speak about expediting the bylaw

[0:49:51] Trustee Elliott: after months after having it from march 2024 when your staff we heard last week that as soon as the

[0:49:57] Trustee Elliott: bylaw could be changed or amended with may 2025 that's too late the project funding will be

[0:50:07] Trustee Elliott: expired by then we didn't receive funding for this the connected coast funding island's trust could

[0:50:14] Trustee Elliott: could and should be facilitating this work alongside our community

[0:50:17] Trustee Elliott: and connected posts, not putting up bureaucratic obstacles.

[0:50:22] Trustee Elliott: So my request today is simple and respectful,

[0:50:25] Trustee Elliott: that the BSI and LTC either stand aside or expedite the request

[0:50:29] Trustee Elliott: so we can get the work done to plan in November.

[0:50:32] Trustee Elliott: There is much work to be done to breathe life into Island's Trust's

[0:50:35] Trustee Elliott: many declarations and commitments to advancing true and lasting

[0:50:39] Trustee Elliott: reconciliation with First Nations, including upholding the truth

[0:50:42] Trustee Elliott: and reconciliation called to action and under. In closing, I would like to note that if Islands Trust

[0:50:49] Trustee Elliott: is truly committed to achieving reconciliation with First Nations, with Laiacin First Nations,

[0:50:54] Trustee Elliott: it must recognize Laiacin as a proper right to title hold and agree with our request.

[0:50:59] Trustee Elliott: Thank you so much for your words. We need to hear this and it is critical that we

[0:51:14] Trustee Elliott: We adjust, listen, and respect each other.

[0:51:19] Trustee Elliott: So I really appreciate you making the time to come today

[0:51:23] Trustee Elliott: and putting all the thoughts and critical awareness

[0:51:28] Trustee Elliott: that we need to consider for us.

[0:51:32] Trustee Elliott: Is there anything, Tyler, would you like to say?

[0:51:37] Voice 3: No, I can't cover it all.

[0:51:40] Voice 3: Yeah, I thought about you, so you can't go to that.

[0:51:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:51:44] Trustee Elliott: And just for our records, could we have your title or what you do for NAPLA-AXIN?

[0:51:51] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[0:51:52] Trustee Elliott: Right. Thank you.

[0:51:54] Okay.

[0:51:57] Trustee Elliott: That's a lot to consider, and I just want to take a moment to pause

[0:52:03] Trustee Elliott: and recognize that this is, well, in my mind,

[0:52:15] Trustee Elliott: there isn't anything more important that we do is to recognize the harm

[0:52:22] Trustee Elliott: that our processes the colonial processes that we are embedded in have done to the nations and

[0:52:30] Trustee Elliott: whose territories we're operating and then listen and do it differently so I'm really hopeful we can

[0:52:39] Trustee Elliott: find a way forward that is respectful of the accent and your interests and your homeland and

[0:52:45] Trustee Elliott: your stewardship and responsibility for the lands and waters. Trustees any reflections and then we'll

[0:52:56] Trustee Elliott: perhaps to be an applicant an opportunity to speak just to make

[0:53:00] Voice 3: sure um so this cable is landing

[0:53:06] Voice 3: on reserve land on belgium i'm wondering why this is in front of me would

[0:53:18] Voice 5: you like me to answer

[0:53:22] Trustee Elliott: yeah it's because of this unique concept of jurisdiction in canadian law where

[0:53:29] Trustee Elliott: the province believes that it owns the seabed and the federal and that's because they're considered

[0:53:35] Trustee Elliott: to be inland waters in bc

[0:53:37] Voice 5: and

[0:53:38] Trustee Elliott: so because the fiber optic cable will cross the foreshore

[0:53:43] Trustee Elliott: and you've got a thousand meter is that correct thousand meters circumference around

[0:53:53] Trustee Elliott: i see a

[0:53:56] Voice 3: thousand feet maybe 200 meters that's

[0:53:58] Trustee Elliott: a thousand meters this

[0:54:00] Voice 3: is a thousand meters wow

[0:54:08] Voice 5: So, I

[0:54:14] Voice 6: don't really think there's much that I can say that is going

[0:54:20] Voice 3: to change the hurt

[0:54:25] Voice 3: or the impact, the

[0:54:27] Voice 6: continued failure to acknowledge Jackson's .

[0:54:42] Voice 6: My immediate thought is, oh God, we have failed.

[0:54:46] Voice 6: failed, I get it. I'm not sure how to articulate what I think and how I feel about that, except

[0:54:59] Voice 6: that it's a failure. It's a failure despite the fact that we do try hard, and maybe we

[0:55:12] Voice 6: try too hard, I don't know. Maybe as you suggested, we should just simply back away. However,

[0:55:20] Voice 6: However, that might or might not create a problem, which, you know, as a local government

[0:55:30] Voice 6: representative, I have to consider those aspects of that, rightfully or wrongfully.

[0:55:40] Voice 6: And so, indeed, this colonial construct has brought us to this place.

[0:55:45] Voice 6: We did hear, you know, actually, we've been aware of this for years.

[0:55:51] Voice 6: It's not just since March, and in no way, shape, or form do I want to make any excuse

[0:56:00] Voice 6: for the actions that we've taken and where areas where we fail the likes of people in

[0:56:08] Voice 6: this particular situation.

[0:56:16] Voice 6: I'll come to it in a minute, but there's another question on the table with respect to this

[0:56:21] Voice 6: deployment of this fiber optic connectivity to the entire coast of British Columbia, where

[0:56:26] Voice 6: where this is not the only place where there are problems

[0:56:37] Voice 6: that have evolved out of the land use authority

[0:56:40] Voice 6: provided to local governments,

[0:56:42] Voice 6: not respecting the rights of the land

[0:56:49] Voice 6: that First Nations hold in this particular case.

[0:56:53] Voice 6: um i would just say and i don't see backing away with in some respects uh i don't want to

[0:57:07] Voice 6: abdicate what are the responsibilities provided to us by the province whether or not though that

[0:57:12] Voice 6: those responsibilities given to us are right or wrong and certainly i would say that that's wrong

[0:57:18] Voice 6: um but nonetheless there is a responsibility to act in our land use planning authority but

[0:57:26] Voice 6: so therefore let's expedite this in the most efficient way in order to proceed

[0:57:35] Voice 6: so that we don't miss a deadline um or or compromise funding um and i'll just speak

[0:57:46] Voice 6: to that and again not making excuses just thinking about the elements that are all spinning through

[0:57:52] Voice 6: my head with respect to this um let's act like this in the best way possible um somehow we as

[0:58:02] Voice 6: a body need to understand how when we get a notification about a company asking for some

[0:58:11] Voice 6: particular resulting or in fact, in this case, asking us to take this action and do it quickly

[0:58:20] Voice 6: because it needs to happen immediately while this is all going on.

[0:58:25] Voice 6: Well, a plan of this nature, multi-millions of dollars has been in process for years.

[0:58:31] Voice 6: And how, why is it that we learn in March, we have to approve this in September, government

[0:58:35] Voice 6: processes just simply take a long time.

[0:58:38] Voice 6: I'm not making any excuses, just is.

[0:58:41] Voice 6: So I want to expedite it in the best way possible because I've now heard from Laxon, which was important to us.

[0:58:48] Voice 6: When we saw this issue initially in March, we said, what does Laxon think?

[0:58:55] Voice 6: And so I'm sorry. I don't know how or why the first time you've seen it is in September.

[0:59:00] Voice 6: I would have thought that that would have somehow happened sooner.

[0:59:03] Voice 6: but quite likely because we had to ask the applicant

[0:59:07] Voice 6: to make an application, which is the normal construct,

[0:59:11] Voice 6: normal behavior expected of any agency

[0:59:14] Voice 6: that is wanting to undertake work

[0:59:16] Voice 6: in the province of British Columbia.

[0:59:17] Voice 5: They

[0:59:18] Voice 6: were not prepared to do that

[0:59:19] Voice 6: at that time to come with an application

[0:59:21] Voice 6: and it's taken this long to get here.

[0:59:23] Voice 6: Nonetheless, it should have been informed much earlier

[0:59:26] Voice 6: in March as we were.

[0:59:28] Voice 6: And I'm sorry that that never happened.

[0:59:33] Voice 6: we need to do better. That's, that's lame, I can acknowledge that.

[0:59:39] Voice 6: And

[0:59:40] Trustee Elliott: we have a protocol agreement.

[0:59:42] Trustee Elliott: No, but reading from it, and, and so it actually details,

[0:59:53] Trustee Elliott: it's not up to the applicant to make an application, it is up to our agencies to determine.

[1:00:00] Trustee Elliott: how we share information creating opportunities for dialogue sharing you know project information

[1:00:07] Trustee Elliott: before it reaches the formal referral process and so reading the scope of activities covered in our

[1:00:14] Trustee Elliott: protocol agreement specifically says 4.2 referral of land use planning or land use change documents

[1:00:21] Trustee Elliott: or contents with opportunities for discussion of concerns or consideration by the respective party

[1:00:27] Trustee Elliott: provided that this is not considered formal consultation arranged meetings is

[1:00:33] Trustee Elliott: required between the parties to discuss matters of concern as they arise so I

[1:00:39] Trustee Elliott: absolutely agree with you Peter we have failed to live up to our own protocol

[1:00:44] Trustee Elliott: agreement which was drafted in 2000 and I'm very sorry so

[1:00:51] Voice 6: I'll just finish so we

[1:00:56] Voice 6: need to advance this regardless of what's happened up to this point

[1:00:59] Voice 6: express our sincere apologies and gosh we just need to do better let's get it done

[1:01:05] Voice 6: um this isn't the first time that we've had this issue arise with this company and that should

[1:01:20] Voice 6: have been a a very the other thing i want to mention and i'm and and so i'm assuming that

[1:01:26] Voice 6: the applicant is listening here is where's the panellic application for fiber optic cable drop

[1:01:34] Voice 6: that is intended to be dropped on Penelope.

[1:01:36] Voice 6: I haven't heard anything about that.

[1:01:38] Voice 6: And so why are we discussing this one?

[1:01:43] Voice 6: And certainly it's a separate and completely different agreement,

[1:01:46] Voice 6: completely different nation,

[1:01:47] Voice 6: but the road is being paved for more failure here.

[1:01:51] Voice 6: And then I don't know anything about that.

[1:01:54] Voice 6: The same regulatory authorities through the provincial government exists.

[1:02:00] Voice 6: And I am wondering about are we going to step into another hallway or not?

[1:02:06] Voice 6: We have been. Thank

[1:02:07] Trustee Elliott: you for the enlightenment.

[1:02:09] Voice 6: So I think

[1:02:10] Trustee Elliott: that when I look at one does not cross the marine conservation zone, it

[1:02:15] Voice 3: crosses the cut.

[1:02:17] Voice 3: they've already cut you

[1:02:19] Voice 6: know there is it still transitions the shoreline between the provincial

[1:02:34] Voice 6: authority whether it's a conservation zone or not it um transitions across that land

[1:02:40] Voice 6: certainly we haven't heard anything about it and in fact it more specifically when telus

[1:02:45] Voice 6: different provider uh ran a cable from thetis to penelope there was no application for that either

[1:02:52] Voice 6: And so there's a lot of things that are wrong here.

[1:02:55] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:02:56] Voice 6: A lot of things wrong.

[1:02:57] Voice 6: And we are according to it.

[1:03:00] Voice 6: I'm not denying that.

[1:03:02] Voice 6: So let's do the best we can and clean up this mess and seriously consider what we do next.

[1:03:12] Voice 6: So I don't have anything else to say.

[1:03:14] Voice 6: Let's hear from the applicant and let's get this fixed.

[1:03:17] Voice 6: But I absolutely.

[1:03:20] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:03:21] Voice 6: Sorry.

[1:03:24] Trustee Elliott: Christina or Cheryl or let's um we just need to unmute you just need

[1:03:32] Trustee Elliott: to unmute yourselves and

[1:03:33] Trustee Elliott: and we could have a conversation hi Cheryl hi

[1:03:39] Voice 1: everybody thank you again um

[1:03:42] Voice 1: Karen and I'm sorry I can't hear very well uh the Lioxon Nation member with Karen I appreciate

[1:03:50] Voice 1: you both joining today. I just want to quickly say thank you for hearing the application. We've

[1:03:58] Voice 1: been working very hard on our consultation and engagement. Very proud of the work we've done

[1:04:04] Voice 1: with the LIAXA nation over the past two and a half years. We've had site visits. We've engaged

[1:04:11] Voice 1: to make sure that this meets the needs of the nation. That's our primary goal.

[1:04:18] Voice 1: and at every turn we've been happy to adjust, answer questions, take more time as needed

[1:04:25] Voice 1: and we've arrived at a place where I think we succeed in meeting the goal of providing this

[1:04:32] Voice 1: cable to the LIACS and Nation at their point of choice. We appreciate the short time frame

[1:04:40] Voice 1: with regards to the applications. There's a lot of research that has gone into understanding

[1:04:48] Voice 1: Islands Trust and the various bylaws and how they apply and where they appear.

[1:04:54] Voice 1: So we appreciate the receipt of the application and we will continue as a project to do what

[1:05:02] Voice 1: we can to meet the goal, which is to provide support and services to coastal, remote and

[1:05:10] Voice 1: Indigenous communities.

[1:05:11] Voice 1: And we stand by our commitment to our engagement with First Nations partners on the project.

[1:05:18] Voice 1: such as the LIACs and Nation.

[1:05:22] Voice 1: If there's any other questions, I'm happy to answer them.

[1:05:25] Voice 1: A question.

[1:05:41] Voice 6: What I just heard you say there was that you've been working

[1:05:44] Voice 6: with the LIACs and Nation for years.

[1:05:46] Voice 6: I think that's a characterization on this and sorting out a site

[1:05:49] Voice 6: and all this sort of stuff.

[1:05:52] Voice 6: How come we've only heard about this in March

[1:05:55] Voice 6: and we're in a hurry to get this done

[1:06:01] Voice 6: when indeed this Connected Coast project has been underway

[1:06:05] Voice 6: way where i would suggest four or more years and um all of a sudden we had a request to expedite this

[1:06:17] Voice 6: outside of a normal application process and um here we are today and we've

[1:06:25] Voice 6: we've caused serious harm just with that to action people as a result and i'm not

[1:06:33] Voice 6: not blaming you or saying we're responsible for our own actions absolutely but how is it that we

[1:06:41] Voice 6: only learned about this in march if this has been underway for such a long time i

[1:06:46] Voice 1: understand we uh

[1:06:47] Voice 1: it's been a fairly dynamic process as we move forward and move along it takes a lot of work

[1:06:53] Voice 1: on the front end to make sure that um the communities that we're connecting uh the

[1:06:59] Voice 1: the engagement that we're going through is in place and in a fairly solid place where we feel

[1:07:05] Voice 1: confident that we have met the needs and answered the questions of the partners within the project.

[1:07:12] Voice 1: I think it would be quite presumptive of us to submit applications too far in too early in a

[1:07:19] Voice 1: process. You know, we've got a lot of stakeholders that we work with continuously. And sometimes

[1:07:25] Voice 1: those processes take time and then we have to make sure that we've got those partners in a place

[1:07:35] Voice 1: where we've answered their questions they're comfortable with the project it's going you know

[1:07:40] Voice 1: where that needs to be before we can put these types of applications in so i do appreciate that

[1:07:46] Voice 1: yes we've put put islands trust in a a pressured situation i understand that i also very much

[1:07:53] Voice 1: appreciate the support that the project has received to date in recognizing that it is

[1:07:58] Voice 1: important. However, please do appreciate that we have an awful lot of layers we work through

[1:08:05] Voice 1: before we can fully present these at times to formal applications. We've done a lot of research

[1:08:13] Voice 1: with regards to understanding the various multiple island trust bylaws. We've kept the

[1:08:20] Voice 1: the Laiakse Nation informed along the way of what we have learned. So as soon as we became aware of

[1:08:26] Voice 1: the marine conservation zone and what that actually means and process that that actually entails,

[1:08:31] Voice 1: we made sure we reached out to let the nation know that we were working through it. And, you know,

[1:08:38] Voice 1: if they have any questions, let us know. If we have any questions, we will ask them. So, you know,

[1:08:44] Voice 1: it's not, again, I'm not making excuses similar to you, but it is a bit of a long, difficult,

[1:08:50] Voice 1: difficult complicated project to get through with so many levels of government that we've got to

[1:08:55] Voice 1: work with and and in the end we we are trying to maintain relationships with the stakeholders

[1:09:03] Voice 1: while achieving quite a challenging physical build as well even though it's a very small

[1:09:09] Voice 1: fiber optic cable it's complicated to plan complicated to execute and we want to make

[1:09:15] Voice 1: sure we do it well thank you i

[1:09:25] Trustee Elliott: do i recognize uh cheryl the um the complexity of the project

[1:09:30] Trustee Elliott: and the dynamic nature of it i guess in future um what i would suggest is if you can give an

[1:09:37] Trustee Elliott: indication to the local governing body or land use planning agency that's going to have something to

[1:09:45] Trustee Elliott: do with the application in the end that you are having conversations with the nation about their

[1:09:53] Trustee Elliott: land and they're going well they're fully engaged and informed that would have been um really

[1:10:01] Trustee Elliott: helpful i mean understanding your relationship to build is and maintain is um we can't share

[1:10:11] Trustee Elliott: everything all the time and um things are dynamic and i understand that it's um i'm trying to figure

[1:10:19] Trustee Elliott: out a way of when we could have all had more information or been in the process somehow earlier

[1:10:25] Trustee Elliott: i think that would have happened respectfully chair if islands trusted inquired about our

[1:10:31] Trustee Elliott: priorities right in

[1:10:32] Trustee Elliott: times that it could have either at a stock level or at a political level

[1:10:38] Trustee Elliott: yeah there's been no meaningful interest except through the referrals process which we've already

[1:10:47] Trustee Elliott: discussed as inadequate we all know it's inadequate but there's no meeting to sit down

[1:10:51] Trustee Elliott: and say hey relax and what are you working on yeah right absolutely we're working on a guardian

[1:10:59] Trustee Elliott: station we're working on you know revitalizing our community we've been required you know

[1:11:05] Trustee Elliott: a historic land agreement with the province for an area outside where we typically would

[1:11:13] Trustee Elliott: spot an accident so these are some of the things on our purview that people don't seem to know

[1:11:22] Trustee Elliott: that i don't trust i would have suggested that at march someone pick up the phone i'm probably

[1:11:28] Trustee Elliott: the most and i answer the phone all the time i i know margo can tell you i do because i didn't

[1:11:36] Trustee Elliott: even recognize your number when she called i was like who's that i better answer so it's it's not

[1:11:41] Trustee Elliott: as hard as we're making it seem sometimes it's going back to that relationship you referenced

[1:11:46] Trustee Elliott: earlier

[1:11:47] Voice 5: and

[1:11:49] Trustee Elliott: sometimes it's about making difficult conversations or difficult phone calls but we

[1:11:53] Trustee Elliott: still as professionals have to do them

[1:11:55] Voice 5: um

[1:11:57] Trustee Elliott: i have no concern to the relationship that connected

[1:12:03] Trustee Elliott: and Coast has worked hard. We put them through the steps, the paces. You know, we had to go out,

[1:12:11] Trustee Elliott: we had to, we took our chief out, we went out in the community, we went out with an archaeologist.

[1:12:17] Trustee Elliott: We've had considerable amount of internal resources dedicated to this work over the past

[1:12:23] Trustee Elliott: number of years. That's there for the curious.

[1:12:30] Voice 5: Thank you for that. Okay.

[1:12:36] Voice 5: so that's what we do well let's finish that

[1:12:39] Voice 3: and that's through the chair today

[1:12:44] Voice 3: how do we get this done quickly yes

[1:12:49] Trustee Elliott: uh to ensure the recommendations and the stock report has laid

[1:12:53] Trustee Elliott: out ways of deciding not to hold a public hearing and that can definitely expedite the process and

[1:12:59] Trustee Elliott: shorten it and reach potential consideration of adoption unfortunately um you can direct staff to

[1:13:08] Trustee Elliott: to look into holding a special meeting, to consider certain key moments in the application

[1:13:16] Trustee Elliott: process more quickly than the regular meetings that would be pending, and have to speak to

[1:13:23] Trustee Elliott: my RPI, potentially organizing that, considering a very targeted consultation process, speaking

[1:13:36] Trustee Elliott: speaking more of the FIACS impersonation and potentially using all of the previous consultation

[1:13:44] Trustee Elliott: that the City West and Connected Coast team have already done over the past three years

[1:13:49] Trustee Elliott: with other agencies and incorporating those responses to consultation instead of going

[1:13:58] Trustee Elliott: and having staff refer and do more consultation, which could again take that referral to the

[1:14:06] Trustee Elliott: period that consultation period could take quite a bit of time so

[1:14:09] Voice 3: would you have any idea what a

[1:14:12] Voice 3: reasonable end date would be for this degree it

[1:14:17] Trustee Elliott: really depends on the LTC's direction for

[1:14:20] Trustee Elliott: consultation the referral period you know a lot is possible if the referral period is short if

[1:14:27] Trustee Elliott: consultation period is short if the draft bylaws um are done quite quickly um if uh yeah the first

[1:14:37] Trustee Elliott: so without public if the lgc decides not to hold public hearing um you could direct staff to draft

[1:14:47] Trustee Elliott: bylaws um direct staff to uh consult with the first nation direct stuff to give notice prior to

[1:14:58] Trustee Elliott: next meeting that the draft final was to be considered and you could actually get first

[1:15:02] Trustee Elliott: second and third reading uh all at one meeting and then refer to executive committee and if the

[1:15:11] Trustee Elliott: timing lines up well with the executive committee meeting and referral there it could be quite a

[1:15:16] Trustee Elliott: short turnaround and then bring it back for adoption sometime early in the new year i think

[1:15:23] Trustee Elliott: physically there's a little election now like referral to other agencies including the ministry

[1:15:30] Trustee Elliott: they're not going to be making any decisions on anything once the road drops so we can have a

[1:15:41] Trustee Elliott: referral process but nothing can happen from 10 days from now until

[1:15:48] Trustee Elliott: the provincial election has happened in terms of getting i mean can referrals come back from staff

[1:15:54] Trustee Elliott: staff to do regular work. Thank you. Sorry,

[1:15:59] Voice 1: Chair. I've been involved in a number. Yes,

[1:16:01] Voice 1: I apologize for jumping in. I've been involved in a number of fiber optic projects over many,

[1:16:07] Voice 1: many years. And so I have had the unfortunate timing to be both federal and provincially

[1:16:12] Voice 1: looking for permits. And work that is day to day like this tends to be managed at the staff level,

[1:16:19] Voice 1: and they can continue to provide this yeah thank you i'm not i'm not speaking for the government

[1:16:26] Voice 1: but i'm speaking from my my experience that that i don't anticipate any delays we do have a number of

[1:16:32] Voice 1: um processes still with the provincial government right now yeah

[1:16:37] Trustee Elliott: but usually referral to the minister is only required it's an ocp amendment but this is just

[1:16:45] Trustee Elliott: to his own oh extra additional stuff yes we would refer it to the ministry still but is it different

[1:17:04] Voice 6: so i'm prepared to get on this um is to um advance these three motions here

[1:17:13] Voice 6: slightly modified from what's in the report but obviously the first one is unnecessary the second

[1:17:19] Voice 6: one i think that motion needs to amend the final sentence which therefore requests staff to not

[1:17:25] Voice 6: proceed with public medications as per section 467 so that would eliminate that correct uh actually

[1:17:32] Trustee Elliott: no that's that's included and if you are deciding not to hold a public hearing you have to notify

[1:17:37] Trustee Elliott: of the consideration of the first reading that's the section 467 of the local government act

[1:17:45] Trustee Elliott: addresses that public notification prior to first reading requirement if not held in public hearing

[1:17:53] Trustee Elliott: so it's on page we actually copied it with the stat report for clarity on page 15 um and it's

[1:18:01] Trustee Elliott: notice required of public hearing not held so i put a confusion about that so so

[1:18:09] Voice 6: you're on page 15

[1:18:12] Trustee Elliott: page 15 of the staff of uh of the agenda yeah

[1:18:20] Voice 6: so that's this sec 467 notice in public hearing

[1:18:23] Voice 6: that's the section notice

[1:18:26] Trustee Elliott: if public hearing not held so if a local government decides not to hold

[1:18:33] Trustee Elliott: or is prohibited from holding a public hearing on a proposed zoning by-law, it must get notice

[1:18:40] Trustee Elliott: in accordance with this section.

[1:18:43] Voice 6: Okay, so do you have a recommended motion for us to do that?

[1:18:47] Trustee Elliott: Yes, that's the motion at the top of the report.

[1:18:50] Voice 6: We need to give public notification.

[1:18:52] Trustee Elliott: If not

[1:18:53] Trustee Elliott: holding a public hearing, then give notice.

[1:18:55] Voice 6: All right, sorry, I didn't ask the question properly.

[1:18:57] Voice 6: So therefore, then, recommendation number two is what is necessary for us to not hold a public thing.

[1:19:05] Voice 6: The language doesn't appear to be right to me, but I'll just take it as that.

[1:19:08] Voice 6: So then

[1:19:09] Voice 6: finally, the third item is that in terms of referring it to other agencies and First Nations,

[1:19:17] Voice 6: I think what we heard, correct me if I'm wrong, that we only need to refer it to the Black Action.

[1:19:22] Voice 6: That's the recommendation, because it's only specifically impacting their territorial interests.

[1:19:28] Voice 6: And as we finish this thought, that we don't need to refer to any of the other ministries or regional districts or other agencies, because that consultation has already been done through Connected Coast.

[1:19:47] Trustee Elliott: Correct, yeah, that's at the district and at the local trust committee.

[1:19:49] Trustee Elliott: many I think I would recommend following up with those maybe not a formal referral but maybe a

[1:19:54] Trustee Elliott: phone call from staff to confirm that now our zoning application is being considered

[1:20:00] Trustee Elliott: sure we can also trust that that's been

[1:20:03] Voice 6: done but yeah

[1:20:04] Trustee Elliott: communication or notification

[1:20:05] Trustee Elliott: somebody

[1:20:05] Voice 6: would have to complain that

[1:20:08] Voice 6: we failed somehow so I so we could just simply do that

[1:20:12] Voice 6: impersonation and then

[1:20:13] Voice 6: Karen Scott did have a remark yeah

[1:20:17] Trustee Elliott: I mean I think there's a couple of

[1:20:18] Trustee Elliott: pieces it's typical for government to delegate authority for consultation to proponents that

[1:20:25] Trustee Elliott: happens in major projects in other circumstances across and they just have to provide proof to

[1:20:30] Trustee Elliott: your point that has happened and you can either trust it or not there is the option i don't want

[1:20:36] Trustee Elliott: to interfere in any way with violence trust processes so there's the option you could set

[1:20:41] Trustee Elliott: a notification letter if that's something as opposed to staff call and you could send this

[1:20:45] Trustee Elliott: is you know this is a notification let us know if you have any concerns i'm not sure exactly why you

[1:20:51] Trustee Elliott: want to consult with laxon anymore on this one i think you've been pretty clear but i'm happy to

[1:20:56] Trustee Elliott: somehow articulate that anymore but i don't think there needs to be a referral period for laxon

[1:21:01] Trustee Elliott: we have been consulted no

[1:21:04] Voice 6: actually it's a period you know we've

[1:21:06] Trustee Elliott: heard that i feel like we've been

[1:21:07] Trustee Elliott: consulted i feel feel the best with the car for you to say that i've come here today to let you

[1:21:12] Trustee Elliott: know what the opinions of our donation i think you those have been fairly clearly articulated

[1:21:18] Trustee Elliott: i think this is a project that we have been trying to move ahead with and we want this to happen okay

[1:21:26] Voice 6: thank you for the help with that and so therefore we don't need to do any referrals other than you

[1:21:33] Voice 6: picking up the phone and checking but you know what yeah

[1:21:35] Trustee Elliott: it's up to the lgc version

[1:21:37] Voice 6: so in order

[1:21:38] Voice 6: to advance this we need to make these first emotions within the minimal construct of the

[1:21:45] Voice 6: authority that we hold

[1:21:47] Trustee Elliott: do we need to provide notice to uh like what is the evidence of

[1:21:53] Trustee Elliott: engagement for instance if the ministry of water lands and resource stewardship comes back and says

[1:21:58] Trustee Elliott: where's your engagement can we turn to city west or connected coasts list of engagement as

[1:22:05] Trustee Elliott: sufficient so this won't this won't require we don't referral to the minister okay yeah so they

[1:22:13] Trustee Elliott: won't be that processing for you and

[1:22:18] Voice 6: if somebody protested we'll deal with it when that arises

[1:22:22] Voice 6: i'm sure that my action would stand with us to argue my

[1:22:25] Voice 1: number yeah

[1:22:26] Voice 6: thank you thank you

[1:22:28] Trustee Elliott: what

[1:22:29] Voice 3: does the public notification look like did it in the newspaper or something

[1:22:33] Trustee Elliott: yeah there's it's

[1:22:34] Trustee Elliott: um it's a period period before first reading okay so it'll just it'll go up to the newspaper yeah

[1:22:40] Voice 6: so if there's not any other advice i'd like to make sure you do

[1:22:45] Voice 6: so i'll move the theaters on local trust me request after prayer grab file to amend the

[1:22:49] Voice 6: thesis island byline number 42 valdez island rural language bylaw 1998 to proceed with the application

[1:22:55] Voice 6: plrr z 2024.0105 connected coast to permit fiber optic cable telecommunication public

[1:23:03] Voice 6: service utility in the marine conservation w1 so second any

[1:23:09] Trustee Elliott: further discussion any comments

[1:23:13] Trustee Elliott: i'll call for those in favor all right that's period you

[1:23:18] Voice 6: want me to do the next one

[1:23:19] Voice 6: i move that the fetus sample contrast committee is not required to hold a public hearing

[1:23:24] Voice 6: bylaw number one one five side of this valdez island world language by 1998 amendment number

[1:23:30] Voice 6: one 2024 is the bylaw is consistent with the policies and objectives in part one of the

[1:23:35] Voice 6: the Valdes Island Rural Land Use By-law 1998,

[1:23:38] Voice 6: and therefore request staff to proceed with the public notification

[1:23:42] Voice 6: as per Section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[1:23:47] Voice 6: I had to read that out loud for it to actually make sense to me.

[1:23:52] Voice 6: Second.

[1:23:53] Trustee Elliott: Seconded.

[1:23:53] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[1:23:56] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:23:56] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[1:23:58] Trustee Elliott: Aye.

[1:23:59] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor, aye.

[1:24:00] Trustee Elliott: Is

[1:24:00] Voice 6: there any further direction that you require to advance this?

[1:24:05] Trustee Elliott: I mean talking about timing do we need to perhaps we can discuss in the next project of our

[1:24:12] Trustee Elliott: consideration of a minor project what we might need to push aside to get this done and I guess

[1:24:19] Trustee Elliott: we'll look for staff to come back on reporting how quickly this can is the timeline still

[1:24:28] Trustee Elliott: still like what you offered on page 16 here first and second reading and third reading

[1:24:36] Trustee Elliott: in november 2024 how does legal reviews it um i'll have to get clarity on that usually legal

[1:24:43] Trustee Elliott: review happens after first reading um so yeah we i'll have to get clarity if legal review can be

[1:24:50] Trustee Elliott: done after third reading if you want to do yeah sorry in the in the timeline on on page 16 um

[1:24:57] Trustee Elliott: And just this first and second reading, not third reading, but should it, you know, we've recently confirmed that you can actually do first all three readings at once.

[1:25:05] Trustee Elliott: So that can, at this point, based on the direction that you've provided so far, that can all happen in November, especially if the referrals period is, there is no, there are no referrals.

[1:25:18] Trustee Elliott: Right.

[1:25:21] Trustee Elliott: And notice the first reading, reading before that.

[1:25:25] Voice 6: so it begs the question why do we need a legal opinion at all you

[1:25:31] Trustee Elliott: know changing your bylaw

[1:25:35] Voice 6: presumably this application is no different from the other dozen applications of

[1:25:40] Voice 6: connected coast has already made the legal presumably maybe that's a mistake and it's

[1:25:46] Voice 6: not it's just a lesson to be learned that somebody has done a legal opinion on this

[1:25:51] Voice 6: Do we really need to spend the time and money to actually sort it out?

[1:25:55] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:25:55] Trustee Elliott: I'd ask that.

[1:25:56] Trustee Elliott: I can look into that for sure.

[1:25:57] Trustee Elliott: I can look into that, make sure that makes it back to our planning team.

[1:26:05] Trustee Elliott: So when do we need to consider final by-law adoption to meet the funding requirements?

[1:26:11] Trustee Elliott: I didn't see the date listed.

[1:26:14] Trustee Elliott: So, yeah, the Connected Coast team might be able to speak to that more clearly,

[1:26:19] Trustee Elliott: just in terms of their no-go, no-go, go or no-go date.

[1:26:26] Trustee Elliott: Cheryl, did you, yeah, you go ahead there.

[1:26:29] Voice 1: No problem.

[1:26:30] Voice 1: So we would like to be able to complete the marine cable installation

[1:26:35] Voice 1: starting up ideally in early November.

[1:26:39] Voice 1: We can work with the nation to complete the on-the-land works

[1:26:44] Voice 1: at a schedule that works with them directly.

[1:26:47] Voice 1: correctly, but our marine cable we are anticipating that November work.

[1:26:54] Trustee Elliott: We need

[1:26:55] Voice 1: to have a special

[1:26:56] Trustee Elliott: meeting before November then, if you're trying to adopt before November.

[1:27:07] Trustee Elliott: It still

[1:27:08] Trustee Elliott: has to go to executive committee too and then come back for adoption.

[1:27:12] Trustee Elliott: so

[1:27:13] Voice 6: i might suggest chair that a motion for from the ltc to ask staff to expedite this application

[1:27:23] Voice 6: and schedule a special meeting if required

[1:27:26] Voice 5: at

[1:27:28] Voice 6: the earliest possible time

[1:27:31] Voice 6: and obviously you would consult with renee and everybody else in your team in order to do that

[1:27:36] Voice 6: and quite frankly um we can certainly talk about it at the project's end of things

[1:27:42] Voice 6: things later here. But quite frankly, if we have this motion on closing, that you expedite

[1:27:49] Voice 6: this, that all the other work will just fall outside. And ideally, it would happen quickly,

[1:27:54] Voice 6: and we would just continue on. But that said, you know what? Thank you, Karen, for identifying

[1:28:04] Voice 6: that we should be, like the word you used, we should be more curious. And let's have

[1:28:10] Voice 6: a conversation with my accent in the future but that's a site from this application so the motion

[1:28:17] Trustee Elliott: would be that staff expedite the application are as you can do that and schedule special

[1:28:20] Trustee Elliott: means as required to meet the deadline true yeah i'll have to check quickly but that's that's enough

[1:28:29] Trustee Elliott: direction from tc to look into it yeah you

[1:28:31] Voice 6: want to make that motion chair

[1:28:32] Trustee Elliott: So I move that staff expedite application reference number.

[1:28:40] Trustee Elliott: Sorry.

[1:28:43] Voice 6: PRRZ 2240105.

[1:28:45] Trustee Elliott: And schedule special meetings of the FEDUS and the Rural Trust

[1:28:48] Trustee Elliott: Committee as required in order to meet

[1:28:51] Trustee Elliott: the deadline for the project.

[1:28:59] Trustee Elliott: And I do have a further motion once we're concluding this.

[1:29:04] Voice 6: So you need a second?

[1:29:06] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[1:29:06] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[1:29:07] Trustee Elliott: seconded by trustee locum any further discussion all those in favor

[1:29:12] Trustee Elliott: it's carried so this leads me to how can we do this better in the future and um my request is

[1:29:26] Trustee Elliott: that we ask staff to inquire with lands and first nation as to their interest in holding council to

[1:29:33] Trustee Elliott: council or staff to staff meetings as per the protocol for cooperation for the Thetis Island

[1:29:39] Trustee Elliott: Local Trust Area and Lacs and Tradition Territory. It really has been up to us and we have not

[1:29:49] Trustee Elliott: upheld our protocol agreement and I think we can work together better if we have some more

[1:29:56] Trustee Elliott: in-person meetings and build that relationship.

[1:30:00] Trustee Elliott: relationship. So this would be inquiring if there's interest, you know, in what those meetings would look like. Sometimes you're more efficient if it's staff to staff to work out specific, here's a project coming up, or here's our priorities, bring that back to your council or our trustees, and sometimes it's council to council. So it could be a mix. But would that be the LTC? I think that's a good idea.

[1:30:32] Voice 6: Yeah, we are becoming more aware of focusing on our responsibility to have these conversations with nations.

[1:30:44] Voice 6: We have failed in upholding our protocols throughout the Anastasia area, and we have acknowledged that, and we need to make a commitment to do better.

[1:31:02] Voice 6: And we are developing new protocols now, and so we're certainly aware of the danger that we set ourselves up for by not fulfilling the protocols.

[1:31:22] Voice 6: So let's get this started with action, and that's all there is to say.

[1:31:38] Trustee Elliott: Okay. I'll just read it out, and I'm sending you the wording.

[1:31:47] Trustee Elliott: So, I move that Thetis Local Trust Committee request staff to inquire with LAOCS in First Nation

[1:31:53] Trustee Elliott: as to their interest in holding Council-to-Council and or Staff-to-Staff meetings

[1:31:59] Trustee Elliott: as per the Protocol for Cooperation 2000 with LAOCS in First Nation.

[1:32:06] Voice 6: Move to second, of course.

[1:32:10] Voice 6: Move

[1:32:10] Trustee Elliott: to seconded Trustee Luckham. Any further discussion?

[1:32:16] Voice 6: Only that I would like to have the opportunity to meet the new leader, Gina.

[1:32:28] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. I will relay that message. For your information, I am aware that

[1:32:36] Trustee Elliott: the College of the Nation, which is comprised of Samanis, First Nation, Penelakhet,

[1:32:53] Trustee Elliott: I am

[1:32:54] Voice 6: aware of that, and that was just recently, and thank you for reminding me, I think that

[1:33:02] Voice 6: there is a preference for us to engage in that way,

[1:33:07] Voice 5: and,

[1:33:08] Voice 6: you know, it was years ago

[1:33:09] Voice 6: Russ Hobson-Filler and I did meet with the alliance in its form then I think it's different now but

[1:33:17] Voice 6: we very much appreciate that.

[1:33:20] Trustee Elliott: So perhaps this wouldn't be necessary

[1:33:23] Trustee Elliott: do you have any thoughts on that? I think it's a good idea I think that you know I get from my

[1:33:31] Trustee Elliott: perspective the existing protocol agreement that hasn't maybe there's an opportunity for staff to

[1:33:37] Trustee Elliott: hear some lessons learned yeah

[1:33:39] Voice 5: um

[1:33:40] Trustee Elliott: so i think i do always welcome them so um we do provide feedback

[1:33:45] Trustee Elliott: for us okay i

[1:33:50] Voice 6: think it doesn't hurt to insert ourselves in the conversation

[1:33:52] Voice 6: and somebody tells us to back off okay even

[1:33:56] Trustee Elliott: if we're six months late

[1:34:01] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:34:01] Trustee Elliott: all those in favor on the motion, and that was carried.

[1:34:06] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:34:07] Trustee Elliott: I was just wondering if my accent person would like the opportunity to comment on the Connected Coast application more importantly with a letter, or if that's not seen as an important part of this.

[1:34:23] Trustee Elliott: Do you want me to send an email saying I support the project, and would that make your process easier?

[1:34:29] Trustee Elliott: I feel like

[1:34:33] Voice 6: this is a bit of a formal comment.

[1:34:35] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:34:36] Trustee Elliott: We'll have the minutes from the meeting as well.

[1:34:39] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:34:40] Voice 6: Yeah, so just make sure that the remarks are recorded in the minutes, because indeed, you know, the way our construct works is it's what's in the public record.

[1:34:51] Voice 6: and we're accountable to them so let's just make sure it's calculated in some way

[1:34:55] Trustee Elliott: i can send an

[1:34:56] Trustee Elliott: email but that's all i'll commit to because i have a lot of work to get to

[1:35:00] Trustee Elliott: if you

[1:35:02] Voice 6: are supporting the

[1:35:03] Voice 6: expedition of the application um and that would be good i just you know it's part of the public

[1:35:08] Voice 6: record okay so

[1:35:12] Trustee Elliott: anything further on this project an application thank you to cheryl christina and

[1:35:20] Trustee Elliott: And Wes, for coming or for Zooming in today.

[1:35:23] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Tyler and Karen, so much for coming and taking the time and speaking to us.

[1:35:29] Trustee Elliott: And again, well, we've made apologies, but we do recognize and apologize for not being curious and inquiring much earlier.

[1:35:38] Voice 6: Before we completely end this conversation, while we've got City West on the line here,

[1:35:44] Voice 6: there, you tried to answer my question earlier about the question

[1:35:56] Voice 6: is, what is the status?

[1:36:00] Voice 6: Just I'm being curious.

[1:36:01] Voice 6: What is the status of the fiber optic drop

[1:36:06] Voice 6: for the Penelope Island and the Penelope Nation?

[1:36:14] Voice 6: Yeah, what's the answer to that question?

[1:36:17] Voice 6: And I respect that, oh, I know why it's my train.

[1:36:21] Voice 6: It's always the reason we haven't heard yet, which was my early question,

[1:36:25] Voice 6: is because it's not in the marine resorted zone.

[1:36:31] Voice 6: However, you recall, Karen, I think that when we had that loading area on flight action,

[1:36:40] Voice 6: we also stumbled on this.

[1:36:44] Voice 6: We should have learned from that.

[1:36:45] Voice 6: We stumbled on this conundrum of the province asserting its right, I'm not saying we're asserting our rights, the province is asserting its rights to retain a permit for access to transition from the land to the water.

[1:37:02] Voice 6: this is a similar situation regardless of the name of the zone it's a transition through a zone area

[1:37:09] Voice 6: and penelope would be the same and that the waters surrounding penelope i don't know that it's

[1:37:16] Voice 6: federal that's how it's dead so it's called i hope you guys are using that context but

[1:37:23] Voice 6: um it is the penelope island um there is a transition from the land to the sea

[1:37:30] Voice 6: on the crown floor shore and there unless i'm totally mistaken there would be a permitting

[1:37:38] Voice 6: necessary at a minimum from the province and where do we plan that so i

[1:37:45] Trustee Elliott: don't know who can

[1:37:46] Trustee Elliott: answer that question you're asking um whether the same similar type of application would be

[1:37:51] Trustee Elliott: required in that room around yeah um you know what wasn't pledged maybe during the crown referral

[1:37:59] Trustee Elliott: period because the zoning permitted utilities so they you know each each bylaw is different so

[1:38:06] Trustee Elliott: you're saying zoning

[1:38:07] Voice 6: permits utility in that location yes mostly

[1:38:12] Voice 6: i need

[1:38:13] Trustee Elliott: to double check

[1:38:14] Trustee Elliott: yeah i

[1:38:14] Trustee Elliott: assume that you know review was done by staff when the crown referral was received and

[1:38:20] Trustee Elliott: all of those files were checked it was a zoning check

[1:38:27] Trustee Elliott: this is the crown referral well this is a result of the

[1:38:34] Voice 6: and so i can just want i'll just go to connected coast are you anticipating dropping a fiber

[1:38:40] Voice 6: connection to benelicat and what is the status of that no

[1:38:43] Voice 1: no there is no uh at this time due to a

[1:38:47] Voice 1: change in the the funding model for the program i can let wes speak to that a little bit more

[1:38:53] Voice 1: and also um um the the zoning around penelaket at the time of our application to the province

[1:39:04] Voice 1: which would have triggered the referral uh i don't think there was a marine zone yet at the time

[1:39:11] Voice 1: um and i believe it the the landing at would have allowed permitted utilities so at this point

[1:39:19] Voice 1: though it's it's um not in front of the the island trust because the landing is not within the

[1:39:27] Voice 1: connected scope connected coast scope at this time i can let wes discuss that a little bit more okay

[1:39:34] Voice 6: thank you i just don't want to get caught in having this same kind of conversation so if that's

[1:39:40] Voice 6: not happening it's off the table that's what i heard you just say then that's great okay so i'm

[1:39:47] Trustee Elliott: done. Wes, did you have anything further to add there?

[1:39:50] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, it probably wouldn't hurt

[1:39:52] Voice 2: just for me to lean in and just contextualize the reason for the removal of the scope. Peter,

[1:39:59] Voice 2: you spoke to the length of time this project has taken. It's been, you know, it was applied for

[1:40:06] Voice 2: during a period of time, kind of in the sort of 2016-2017 time frame for federal and provincial

[1:40:13] Voice 2: funding. And between then and today, you know, the connectivity landscape has changed quite a bit.

[1:40:20] Voice 2: This project has weathered quite a bit, COVID, supply chain catastrophes, the like. We've had

[1:40:28] Voice 2: to extend the project timeline a number of times with our provincial and federal funders. And on

[1:40:35] Voice 2: our last go around, we sat down in a very collaborative manner to look at the needs of

[1:40:42] Voice 2: to the connectivity, again, the connectivity landscape

[1:40:44] Voice 2: and how things have changed

[1:40:46] Voice 2: and areas where there was other services coming into play.

[1:40:50] Voice 2: FETUS has received, I think, a substantial grant

[1:40:54] Voice 2: for TELUS to expand their services there,

[1:40:56] Voice 2: which would lead to what the province believes

[1:41:00] Voice 2: is enhanced services for Penelakon as well.

[1:41:02] Voice 2: And it just removed the need for our project

[1:41:06] Voice 2: to cover the transport, the internet transport

[1:41:10] Voice 2: support that this project is intended to deliver to that island if you look at the connected coast

[1:41:15] Voice 2: website connectedcoast.ca on the map page there's a updated map that reflects the changes

[1:41:22] Voice 2: there and not just benelic there's other regions where we've taken a look with our federal and

[1:41:28] Voice 2: provincial funder or funding partners to to to try to fit the project right and and full

[1:41:36] Voice 2: full transparency on putting public funds this is a public initiative to where it's needed the most

[1:41:42] Voice 2: and try to to to fit that and also stick within our timeline of march 31 to be fully complete

[1:41:51] Voice 2: 2025

[1:41:52] Trustee Elliott: thank you thank you very much wes and cheryl any other questions that's a lot okay

[1:42:00] Trustee Elliott: um i'm going to propose a short uh 10 minute break i think we've missed our 11 o'clock

[1:42:05] Trustee Elliott: but whatever the ferry was.

[1:42:08] Voice 6: It's left.

[1:42:09] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:42:09] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[1:42:11] Trustee Elliott: Happy to stay.

[1:42:13] Trustee Elliott: One, two, three.

[1:42:14] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Connected Coast.

[1:42:16] Trustee Elliott: And really thank you for your good work.

[1:42:19] Trustee Elliott: It sounds like this has been an incredibly complicated project.

[1:42:23] Trustee Elliott: And the fact that you have good relationships

[1:42:25] Trustee Elliott: and Laxon is here to testify to that

[1:42:29] Trustee Elliott: is really testament to how you've gone about this.

[1:42:32] Trustee Elliott: So thank you so much for how you've done this.

[1:42:36] Trustee Elliott: We'll see you perhaps at another LTC meeting.

[1:42:40] Voice 1: Take care.

[1:42:41] Voice 1: Thank you again, everybody, for your time.

[1:42:43] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:42:44] Voice 3: I appreciate everybody's time and attention to this.

[1:42:46] Voice 1: Thanks.

[1:42:47] Voice 1: Okay,

[1:42:48] Trustee Elliott: so should we take a five-minute break?

[1:42:50] Trustee Elliott: Sure.

[1:42:51] Trustee Elliott: Perhaps a 10-minute break to recess and come back to finish the remainder of our business.

[1:43:01] Voice 5: So thank you for coming today.

[1:43:02] Voice 5: day. My

[1:43:09] Voice 8: sincere apologies.

[2:00:13] Voice 8: okay well

[2:00:15] Trustee Elliott: thanks everyone we're back from our break and uh carrying on

[2:00:20] Trustee Elliott: with the local trust committee projects um we have a minor project prioritization

[2:00:34] Trustee Elliott: uh staff has provided a report on the initial options for a soil removal bylaw page 37

[2:00:42] Trustee Elliott: And over to you again, Plata Tolaitis, to send a report.

[2:00:48] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Chair Elliott.

[2:00:49] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so yeah, this report provides some information on the options for our soil

[2:00:53] Trustee Elliott: deposit and removal by-law for Fetus Island, and recommends that the LPC direct staff to draft

[2:00:59] Trustee Elliott: a minor project charter for the creation of the by-law in the fiscal year 2025-2026.

[2:01:07] Trustee Elliott: six so funding um there's no no more no more funding uh no more budget left up present for

[2:01:14] Trustee Elliott: minor projects um in this current fiscal year uh so that that's an update from the last meeting i

[2:01:20] Trustee Elliott: recall uh staff may have advised that there was potential to begin another minor project within

[2:01:26] Trustee Elliott: the same fiscal year but we looked into it and no there was no budget left for this current

[2:01:31] Trustee Elliott: fiscal year for an additional minor project um there was also direct i believe that this direction

[2:01:39] Trustee Elliott: to look into options for the soil deposit removal bylaw uh initially came out of a conversation

[2:01:47] Trustee Elliott: around reducing and sort of controlling invasive species on the island so part of this report is

[2:01:57] Trustee Elliott: staff asking the LTC for a bit more definition of the potential issues that they're hoping that this

[2:02:03] Trustee Elliott: bylaw might address. If there are any other things that might be captured through creating this new

[2:02:09] Trustee Elliott: soil deposit renewable bylaw. Another option that was explored as part of this LTC direction

[2:02:20] Trustee Elliott: was whether to do the soil deposit renewable bylaw as a major project or a minor project.

[2:02:27] Trustee Elliott: so i think there was discussion um a couple meetings ago of the potential for this to be

[2:02:33] Trustee Elliott: a major project and so staff explored that and determined that no this can actually be

[2:02:38] Trustee Elliott: the creation and adoption of the soil deposit while itself can be done through

[2:02:45] Trustee Elliott: the minor project process that's not that high of a budget but that it would take

[2:02:53] Trustee Elliott: a sizable amount of staff time and just time in general to implement the Soil Deposit Removal

[2:02:59] Trustee Elliott: By-law. So in this report staff introduced that it would take you know an initial minor project to

[2:03:08] Trustee Elliott: adopt a Soil Deposit Removal By-law and then potentially another minor project for another

[2:03:13] Trustee Elliott: fiscal year to communicate out and implement and disseminate all of the information about

[2:03:20] Trustee Elliott: of the by-law process and any permits and any fees,

[2:03:24] Trustee Elliott: registration, all of those different requirements

[2:03:27] Trustee Elliott: that might be involved with the by-law implementation.

[2:03:33] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so the recommendation on each one of this report

[2:03:36] Trustee Elliott: would allow the opportunity to provide the LTC

[2:03:40] Trustee Elliott: with further analysis on all the considerations

[2:03:44] Trustee Elliott: the report has highlighted,

[2:03:46] Trustee Elliott: and then also to give staff direction

[2:03:48] Trustee Elliott: to prepare a draft project charter to initiate on the project you

[2:03:59] Voice 5: have a question thank you

[2:04:02] Trustee Elliott: i have a question just for clarity um but i'll turn to the trustees first

[2:04:11] Trustee Elliott: uh yeah

[2:04:12] Voice 3: if i may make a trip i don't see the need for this myself personally and i would

[2:04:18] Voice 3: like someone to explain to me why we need it on theaters question

[2:04:25] Trustee Elliott: so exploring uh just for the

[2:04:30] Trustee Elliott: recording the need for this and why is it needed on theaters island which i think is honestly the

[2:04:37] Trustee Elliott: planet's question staff requests further insight to understand the ltc's needs what issue would be

[2:04:43] Trustee Elliott: addressed for the theaters island community um my question is kind of related because i thought

[2:04:50] Trustee Elliott: but this was more to do with agriculture and farming and composting.

[2:04:55] Trustee Elliott: But what's come back here is to limit introduction and establishment

[2:05:03] Trustee Elliott: and spread of invasive species.

[2:05:04] Trustee Elliott: So I'm uncertain where we landed as to the purpose of this project.

[2:05:14] Trustee Elliott: So I can speak to, so I know that farm, like soil and fill uses

[2:05:20] Trustee Elliott: uses in the agricultural land reserves specifically are already regulated through the Agricultural

[2:05:25] Trustee Elliott: Land Commission Act and the ALR use simulation so this bylaw wouldn't be looking to duplicate

[2:05:30] Trustee Elliott: any of those regulations on ALR land but I guess there's also the reality of potential

[2:05:37] Trustee Elliott: agricultural uses happening on non-ALR land that if the LTC is interested in regulating

[2:05:43] Trustee Elliott: in snow and fell uses uh almost particularly as you know caution there's flexibility and violence

[2:05:51] Trustee Elliott: i'm not entirely certain on all of the residential zones on the east what we

[2:05:56] Trustee Elliott: what are we committing i'm sure as a committed principal use

[2:06:00] Trustee Elliott: as well but yeah that would be something to consider the overlap with alr and sony

[2:06:06] Voice 3: also

[2:06:08] Voice 3: So the managed forest category, would that be different?

[2:06:12] Trustee Elliott: I believe so.

[2:06:13] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:06:14] Voice 3: I think so.

[2:06:15] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:06:17] Trustee Elliott: I'd have to look into that.

[2:06:18] Trustee Elliott: Pretty

[2:06:18] Voice 3: sure it is.

[2:06:21] Voice 3: So if I might, I think

[2:06:30] Voice 6: that the management

[2:06:38] Voice 6: and control of invasive species is a benefit, a side effect

[2:06:44] Voice 6: to what I think is the intention of this work

[2:06:49] Voice 6: and is significant and important.

[2:06:52] Voice 6: We see more and more invasive species ending up on Cetus

[2:06:58] Voice 6: and indeed being spread around on Cetus.

[2:07:02] Voice 6: I know I hear stories about,

[2:07:04] Voice 6: well, what's this growing on my lawn?

[2:07:07] Voice 6: Well, it's an invasive species that arrived here

[2:07:10] Voice 6: because you imported some soil from somewhere.

[2:07:13] Voice 6: And so that's, I wouldn't want to underestimate the value of that, because once the basic species are in here, it's almost impossible to get rid of it.

[2:07:23] Voice 6: However, I think that the non-AALR land farm uses is a significant rationale, and help me if I'm wrong,

[2:07:36] Voice 6: I have been advised in the past that the non-agricultural uses on residential properties

[2:07:46] Voice 6: And the necessity for compost to be available for building soil and nutrients was a challenge for many residents on the island.

[2:08:01] Voice 6: And in fact, we're sourcing materials off island in small quantities in order to facilitate that compost need.

[2:08:12] Voice 6: need. And it was clear that somebody on the island could, and I would say is, producing

[2:08:20] Voice 6: compost of a larger scale and wanting to have the ability to sell and move that from one

[2:08:27] Voice 6: place of the island to another of the island. So technically, apparently, that is not a

[2:08:33] Voice 6: permissible activity. And so what was recommended is that if we want to allow farmers to be

[2:08:41] Voice 6: able to be more productive in their farming and through the creation of compost or acquisition

[2:08:47] Voice 6: compost material which i'm presuming must be classified as a soil at least in the way that

[2:08:53] Voice 6: we're eating in right and that's why it's a soil deposit removal bylaw because whether it's soil

[2:08:58] Voice 6: or compost you're removing or depositing compost from one place to another and so therefore we want

[2:09:05] Voice 6: to enable uh local farmers to be able to do that in an organized way that we should have this soil

[2:09:12] Voice 6: so i think that needs to be articulated in this as a if that's true right that that needs to be

[2:09:20] Voice 6: articulated in a clear way as one of the benefits of this because that is a need whether it's

[2:09:27] Voice 6: whether you're growing flowers or whether you're growing food there's a need for compost to be

[2:09:32] Voice 6: available and presently people bring it in by the bag from Canadian Tire or Buckerfield or

[2:09:41] Voice 6: somewhere else and indeed on occasion we do see soil being trucked in from other places and

[2:09:48] Voice 6: without a soil deposit removal by law we have no certainty that that soil is not contaminated

[2:09:55] Voice 6: that arise in some unknown place.

[2:10:00] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, and that's what I want to pause and think and ask questions about,

[2:10:04] Trustee Elliott: because if it is to do with composting, does this potential bylaw address that?

[2:10:10] Voice 6: Well, so that's what I, yeah, that's the leading question here,

[2:10:13] Voice 6: is the intent is, and that's why I say the invasive species is a secondary benefit,

[2:10:19] Voice 6: a benefit, but the intent is to provide the opportunity for farmers to have access to

[2:10:27] Voice 6: compost that may be manufactured on, I don't know, which may be a need of business and

[2:10:32] Voice 6: industrial permitting and whatever else may happen to go on.

[2:10:36] Voice 6: But nonetheless, the ability to move that soil materials is one of the benefits.

[2:10:46] Voice 5: What do you think about that?

[2:10:53] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:10:56] Trustee Elliott: sure. I think that soil for commercial and industrial uses is regulated through the

[2:11:03] Trustee Elliott: Environmental Management Act and the Contaminated Sites Regulation. But perhaps, you know, yeah,

[2:11:09] Trustee Elliott: movement of soil from those sites or compost from those sites onto residential lots could be

[2:11:18] Trustee Elliott: regulated through a soil deposit and renewable bio? So I'm just doing a very quick review here.

[2:11:29] Trustee Elliott: Salt Spring Island has a compost facility that took them 10 years to create. They got an

[2:11:35] Trustee Elliott: investment from Clean BC Organic Infrastructure in 2023, but they only got their soil removal

[2:11:43] Trustee Elliott: removal bylaw in 2023. So are the two tied together? I think that is the question. Can

[2:11:53] Trustee Elliott: there be a compost facility? And if that's the desired thing, do you actually need a

[2:12:00] Trustee Elliott: soil and removal bylaw?

[2:12:07] Voice 6: The size and scale of the operation and

[2:12:10] Voice 6: solving is significantly different than what would be in this community. I think it's enough

[2:12:14] Voice 6: local interest to facilitate that. And the trouble was, is moving the material from one place to another.

[2:12:20] Voice 5: The trouble is moving it.

[2:12:24] Voice 6: Anyway, that's the intention. If this is the wrong avenue to pursue, then what is the right avenue?

[2:12:30] Voice 6: Because

[2:12:30] Trustee Elliott: I see nothing about compost in the Salt Spring By-law.

[2:12:38] Trustee Elliott: You know, it regulates rock breaking and, you know, topsoil and combines volume of soil, rock or topsoil.

[2:12:51] Trustee Elliott: It's very, so that's one question.

[2:12:59] Trustee Elliott: And then is it useful for the Thetis local trust area?

[2:13:05] Trustee Elliott: Like, do we need to demonstrate the need?

[2:13:10] Voice 6: Well, the need exists, but it's been hard to get into it.

[2:13:15] Trustee Elliott: Well, you say one thing, and Trustee Hunter, that's another.

[2:13:20] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:13:20] Voice 3: I don't see the need for it, personally. The people I talk to, of course, don't want it.

[2:13:28] Voice 3: And maybe I talk to the same people that I know are going to give the answer that I want.

[2:13:33] Voice 3: Is that true? No. I mean, yeah.

[2:13:37] Voice 3: of that well

[2:13:39] Voice 6: i guess the question is whether you want or desire or need regulation is different than

[2:13:46] Voice 6: the undertaking an activity which may not be um permanent so

[2:13:54] Trustee Elliott: here so here's something permit

[2:13:57] Trustee Elliott: exceptions in the salt spring bylaw the exception is the removal or deposit is carried out in the

[2:14:04] Trustee Elliott: course of a waste processing or disposal operation including composting so their bylaw was not created

[2:14:12] Trustee Elliott: to enable the removal the movement of soils from composting because that's in the permit exceptions

[2:14:23] Voice 6: so what's prohibiting somebody on peters from manufacturing compost at this time that's the

[2:14:31] Voice 6: the dilemma yeah

[2:14:33] Voice 7: what is

[2:14:34] Voice 3: why can't they well what's the harm they've been told okay

[2:14:45] Voice 3: and then when you look through what's in here and you see fees and permits and fees and permits

[2:14:57] Voice 3: minutes and it's like okay you know we're going down the road that it's not my idea but let's

[2:15:05] Voice 3: get started so

[2:15:07] Voice 6: i don't know what the archive of inquiries and information and advice has been

[2:15:13] Voice 6: offered has been offered but that's the story that i came away from staff years ago is that

[2:15:21] Voice 6: if we wanted to facilitate the uh production and storage and uh distribution of compost that we

[2:15:30] Voice 6: needed a mechanism to do that because it's apparently not permitted just

[2:15:35] Trustee Elliott: yeah for clarity

[2:15:37] Trustee Elliott: you're saying not permitted so even um a resident residential property with their own little garden

[2:15:43] Trustee Elliott: and not permitted to create compost.

[2:15:46] Voice 6: No, they can, but it's for

[2:15:48] Trustee Elliott: use in other properties.

[2:15:49] Voice 6: It can't be from one place to another.

[2:15:51] Voice 6: Yeah, so potentially contemplation is a commercial compost facility.

[2:15:57] Voice 5: No.

[2:15:58] Trustee Elliott: I think it's looking – I honestly wonder if it's looking at the zoning

[2:16:03] Trustee Elliott: and permitted uses on a private property perhaps could be one avenue.

[2:16:08] Trustee Elliott: you so again going back to the salt spring exception the next one is the exception is for

[2:16:17] Trustee Elliott: removal or deposit involving the storage of soil rock or topsoil for resale in conjunction with a

[2:16:24] Trustee Elliott: lawful use of the land on which it is carried out so why go to all the work of developing the soil

[2:16:32] Trustee Elliott: and removal bylaw if you're going to have an exception for composting or topsoil well that's

[2:16:41] Trustee Elliott: not no that's we don't want to go down that road but

[2:16:45] Voice 6: what we're talking about is not an industrial

[2:16:47] Voice 6: process but we're talking about as a home occupation

[2:16:49] Voice 5: because

[2:16:50] Voice 6: admittedly there's a bit

[2:16:52] Voice 6: of a gray area how at what point does a piece of operation transition from a home occupation to

[2:16:59] Voice 6: that industrial and typically we've used the number of employees being engaged in that and

[2:17:07] Voice 6: the ocp and the lmb presently have those limitations associated with home occupations

[2:17:15] Voice 6: so

[2:17:16] Trustee Elliott: do we need to look at home occupation uses to allow the creation of composting for resale

[2:17:23] Voice 6: well yeah you know i don't know that we're going to resolve that here amongst ourselves

[2:17:28] Voice 6: the advice I've had in the past was that implement a soil deposit removal file.

[2:17:35] Voice 6: So if that's wrong, then I would like to turn to staff to determine how it is that we can pursue this

[2:17:43] Voice 6: and whether or not, and therefore, in fact, whether or not that advice has been provided to property owners,

[2:17:50] Voice 6: that that is not a committed use.

[2:17:55] Voice 6: So I'm just trying to solve what's been articulated as a problem.

[2:17:59] Voice 6: Right.

[2:17:59] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:18:01] Voice 6: And, you know, those property owners are continuing to do what they believe to be an unpermitted activity.

[2:18:07] Voice 6: And we shouldn't be placing our citizens in a place where they're potentially compromising their livelihood or otherwise.

[2:18:18] Voice 5: I'm

[2:18:22] Trustee Elliott: looking at home occupation uses right now.

[2:18:29] Voice 3: I don't believe it's probably that number of

[2:18:33] Voice 6: employees, square footage of buildings.

[2:18:38] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:18:56] Voice 5: So

[2:19:02] Trustee Elliott: there may just be an inquiry as to is any does anything prohibit the manufacturing

[2:19:09] Trustee Elliott: a composting on a residential lot for resale you know under a certain volume

[2:19:21] Trustee Elliott: in the land use bylaw and if there isn't then perhaps we need to do some communication

[2:19:30] Trustee Elliott: but I'm not seeing anything in the LEP that just a quick scan though one

[2:19:47] Voice 3: other point I'd like to

[2:19:48] Voice 3: make if I may given what we just went through the last hour and staff's going to be busy working on

[2:19:57] Voice 3: that is there a chance we can defer this to a future meeting so that not something that staff

[2:20:05] Voice 3: has to worry about right now

[2:20:07] Voice 5: that's

[2:20:09] Voice 3: all I'm saying

[2:20:09] Voice 5: well

[2:20:10] Voice 6: that's a perfectly reasonable thing

[2:20:13] Voice 6: so i would like staff to investigate options for the operation of composting facilities

[2:20:26] Voice 5: yeah because

[2:20:27] Voice 6: this is what this is all stemming from and if this is the wrong path

[2:20:32] Voice 6: you know i still think that there is value in considering

[2:20:35] Voice 6: this spread of invasive species because we see it all over the island um

[2:20:42] Voice 6: You know, there's some responsibility there that may or may not be necessary through this

[2:20:51] Voice 6: mechanism.

[2:20:53] Voice 3: And I would argue that invasive species are likely more carried by wind and animals

[2:21:00] than by any soil transfer that they're going to have.

[2:21:04] That's just my opinion.

[2:21:05] It's not scientific.

[2:49:30] Voice 8: Thank you for that, it was so good, yeah.

[2:49:33] Voice 8: Have

[2:49:33] Trustee Elliott: we been muted the whole time since we came back?

[2:49:38] Trustee Elliott: Unmuted? Oh no. It'll be...

[2:49:42] Voice 6: You know, this is a long lecture.

[2:49:44] Voice 6: It'll be on the live stream.

[2:49:45] Voice 6: It's not a legislative requirement.

[2:49:47] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, we're

[2:49:47] Trustee Elliott: going to be recording.

[2:49:48] Trustee Elliott: The recording? The live stream recording goes to the website of the...

[2:49:52] Trustee Elliott: Really?

[2:49:53] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:49:54] Trustee Elliott: Brilliant. Technology is our friend.

[2:49:56] Trustee Elliott: Okay, apologies to the public, we were not recording audio.

[2:49:59] Trustee Elliott: you okay rwm coming if we need a special meeting and our next one is electronically so we'll see

[2:50:11] Trustee Elliott: you in person but we'll see you at trust council in two weeks next week yeah

[2:50:19] Voice 8: and

[2:50:20] Trustee Elliott: congratulations

[2:50:21] Trustee Elliott: Congratulations, Flora Colitis.

[2:50:24] Trustee Elliott: Upcoming

[2:50:25] Trustee Elliott: nuptial.

[2:50:25] Trustee Elliott: Congratulations. It's going to be a mix-up.

[2:50:29] Trustee Elliott: One moment.

[2:50:30] Trustee Elliott: Four days.

[2:50:32] Trustee Elliott: Totally both.

[2:50:34] Trustee Elliott: Nothing further to discuss. I'll call for

[2:50:36] Trustee Elliott: adjournment. All those in favor?

[2:50:39] Trustee Elliott: That is adjourned.

[2:50:41] Voice 5: Thank you, people.

[2:50:43] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Great discussion.

[2:50:45] Trustee Elliott: This was the liveliest meeting

[2:50:47] Trustee Elliott: of the year.

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
September 10, 2024 
Forbes Hall Community Centre 
North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 Peter Luckham, Local Trustee 
 Ken Hunter, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Margot Thomaidis, Planner 2 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were no members of the public, and two representatives of 
Lyackson First Nation in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 9:30 a.m.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations and welcomed representatives of Lyackson 
First Nation. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Hunter reported the following: 
 Noted $2906.21 from property taxes were paid to Islands Trust; and 
 Hopes to find solution to problem on Pilkey Point Road. 
Trustee Luckham reported the following: 
 Bylaw Enforcement Officer attended the Pilkey Point Road property and contractors 
have visited site to provide estimates for clean up costs; 
 Attended opening of Mount Arrowsmith Biosphere Reserve Educational Centre in 
Qualicum which was opened by a Qualicum Nation member speaking the Qualicum 
language previously determined to be extinct;  
 Preparing for September Trust Council meeting; 
 CAO Hiring Committee has entered final stages of interview process; and 
 Acknowledged retirement of Lyackson First Nation Chief Thomas. 
3.2 Chair's Report 

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Chair Elliott reported the following: 
 Preparing for September Trust Council and upcoming Executive Committee 
meetings; 
 Ongoing review of bylaw compliance and enforcement policies with suggested 
amendments being advanced for consideration by Trust Council; 
 Preparing for Union of BC Municipalities Conference; 
 Financial Planning Committee creating budget guideline recommendations for Trust 
Council consideration during upcoming budget discussions; 
 Report from Regional Planning Committee regarding First Nations referral structure 
will be sent for consideration by Trust Council. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS - none  
5. MINUTES 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated July 2, 2024 - for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Item 3.1 Trustee Report last sentence change “Local Trust Committee” to “Trust 
Council” 
By general consent, the minutes were adopted as amended. 
5.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none 
5.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
6.1 Follow-up Action List dated September 4, 2024 
The Planner provided the following updates: 
 Bylaws No. 113 and 114 have been forwarded to the Ministry of Environment and 
staff will follow up with the Ministry to seek assurance that the permits have been 
withdrawn; and 
 Update on expressions of interest received for appointment to the Advisory 
Planning Commission will be provided at a future meeting. 
7. DELEGATIONS - none 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 Rezoning Application PLRRZ-2024.0105 (Connected Coast Fibre Optic Installation) - 
Staff Report 
The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
 Rezoning application to permit establishment and use of fibre-optic cable in the 
Marine Conservation (W1) Zone adjacent to Valdes Island; 
 Applicant proposes changes to the text portion of the Marine Conservation (W1) 
Zone to permit installation, operation, and maintenance of cables; 

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 Recommendation that the Local Trust Committee expedite the application due to 
funding deadlines; 
 Public hearing not necessary as the Official Community Plan will not require 
amendments; 
 Consultations Coordinator for Lyackson First Nation has indicated preference for a 
different referral approach; and 
 Staff would like direction from the Local Trust Committee regarding approaches for 
referrals and consultation to ensure application is considered in a timely manner. 
 
The applicant and representatives from Lyackson First Nations were in attendance. 
 
Penelakut and Lyackson First Nation Consultations Coordinator Karyn Scott made the 
following comments: 
 The area being discussed is part of Lyackson homeland; 
 Lyackson community has stated desire to take back authority over their unceded 
land, territory, waters, and resources; 
 The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples affirms the 
Nations right to participate in decision-making matters with a seat at the table and 
not just a referral; 
 Indigenous People have the right to determine and develop priorities and strategies 
for the development or use their lands and resources; 
 Lyackson First Nation has been actively involved in the Connected Coast project for 
over three years; 
 Connectivity infrastructure is of critical importance in this area and the project is for 
the benefit of the Lyackson community, on reserve land, where the Valdes Island 
Land Use Bylaw was not meant to apply; and 
 Acknowledged the desire for the Local Trust Committee to expedite the bylaw 
amendment and noted the project funding expires in November. 
 
Trustees asked why the application was before them as the communications cable lands 
on reserve land on Valdes Island and it was clarified that the fibre optic cable will cross 
the foreshore in the Marine Conservation Area over which Islands Trust has jurisdiction. 
 
Applicant stated they have been working on consultation and engagement with First 
Nations, have conducted site visits to ensure the project meets the needs of Lyackson 
First Nation, and have met the goal to land the cable at the point identified by Lyackson 
staff. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following points were noted: 
 Trustees acknowledged the points made by the Consultations Coordinator Scott and 
apologized for lack of earlier communication and failure to work within the Protocol 
Agreement between Islands Trust and Lyackson First Nation; 
 Applicant has been working on the project for a number of years and approached 
the Local Trust Committee with a rezoning application in July 2024; and 
 It is important to advance the application quickly to meet funding deadlines. 
 
The Planner outlined the following steps that could be taken to work through the 
process quickly: 

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 Undertake a very targeted consultation process; 
 Incorporate the applicant’s consultation data into the consultation period; 
 Direct staff to consult with Lyackson First Nation; 
 Prepare draft bylaws with first, second, and third readings done at the same time; 
 Refer the draft bylaws to Executive Committee in a timely manner; and 
 Referral to the Ministry is not required as there are no amendments to the Official 
Community Plan. 
TH-2024-020 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft 
bylaw to amend the Thetis Island Bylaw No. 42, Valdes Island Rural Land Use 
Bylaw, 1998, to proceed with application PLRRZ2024.0105 (Connected Coast) to 
permit fibre-optic cable telecommunication public service utility in the Marine 
Conservation (W1) zone.  
CARRIED 
TH-2024-021 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee is not required to hold a Public 
Hearing on Bylaw No. 115 cited as “Valdes Island Rural Land Use Bylaw, 1998, 
Amendment No. 1, 2024” as the Bylaw is consistent with the policies and 
objectives in Part One of the Valdes Island Rural Land Use Bylaw, 1998, and 
therefore requests staff to proceed with public notification as per Section 467 of 
the Local Government Act.  
CARRIED 
TH-2024-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff to expedite 
application PLRRZ202R-0105 and schedule a Special Meeting for the Thetis 
Island Local Trust Committee as required in order to meet the deadline for the 
project.  
CARRIED 
TH-2024-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Thetis LTC request staff to inquire with Lyackson First Nation as to their 
interest in holding Council to Council, and/or staff-to-staff meetings, as per the 
Protocol for Cooperation (2000) with Lyackson First Nation. 
CARRIED 
 
Penelakut and Lyackson Nation Consultations Coordinator Scott stated support for the 
expedition of the application and noted for the record the Nation does not require a 
formal referral or have need to comment further. Trustees noted that they will waive 
the referral process as the applicant has already done this work. 
The meeting was recessed at 11:12 a.m. and reconvened at 11:30 a.m. 

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9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minor Project Prioritization - Soil Removal Bylaw - Staff Report 
The Planner summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
 The Local Trust Committee identified contaminated soil and the introduction, 
spread, and establishment of invasive species on Thetis Island as a priority issue;  
 Staff requested that the Local Trust Committee identify what this bylaw could 
address; and 
 Bylaw work can be accomplished through the minor project process. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments were noted: 
 Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR) regulates agricultural uses of soil and the bylaw 
would regulate use of soil and fill on non ALR land; 
 Residents source compost materials off island; 
 Residents can create compost and move it on their property but the movement of 
soil from one area of Thetis to another is currently not allowed; 
 There is a need for compost to be available locally and a soil deposit and removal 
bylaw can provide protection against soil contaminated with invasive species;  
 There is opportunity to look at options for the operation of a composting facility as a 
home occupation; 
 Intention is to allow a small, low impact operation to facilitate small scale 
community based agriculture; and 
 Local Trust Committee is not interested in creating a bylaw that requires permits or 
fees. 
 
TH-2024-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee request staff to investigate options 
for facilitating manufacture and distribution of compost on non Agricultural 
Land Reserve land. 
CARRIED 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 Email dated July 2, 2024 from L. Smith regarding Ruxton Island Fire Water Cisterns 
Received for information. 
10.2 Thetis / Salt Spring LTC’s Letter to Comox Valley Regional District regarding Protocol 
Agreement 
Received for information. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 

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11.1 Dark Sky Principles Adoption Advocacy – Briefing 
The Chair summarized the briefing and highlighted the following: 
 Trustee Morrison of North Pender Island requested Trust Council communicate to 
all Local Trust Committees to determine interest to collectively engage in 
conversations around Dark Sky Principles. 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees noted the following: 
 Currently there are no street lights on Thetis Island but there is future risk; 
 Issue raised by a resident of Gabriola experiencing residential light intrusion; and 
 Local Trust Committee does not need to take specific action as the matter is an 
advocacy issue for Trust Council. 
12. STAFF REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report - none 
12.2 Trust Conservancy The Heron - Summer Edition 
  Received for information. 
12.3 Applications Report - none 
12.4 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated July, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.5 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received for information. 
12.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  Received for information. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated September 4, 2024 
Received for information. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated September 4, 2024 
  Received for information. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting scheduled for Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 9:30 am and will 
be held electronically. 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 12:20 p.m. 
 
 

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Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder