Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 18, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 18: unceded ancestral lands of Lekwungen and Esquimalt Nations.

[0:00:08] Voice 18: The name Lekwungen, as I read and understand,

[0:00:13] Voice 18: it means a place to smoke herring.

[0:00:17] Voice 18: And as we gather

[0:00:18] Voice 18: during the peak of the herring season,

[0:00:22] Voice 18: which is from February to March,

[0:00:25] Voice 18: it feels especially important that we recognize

[0:00:28] Voice 18: the ongoing relationship with the land and the sea and the cultural traditions that continue

[0:00:36] Voice 18: on here. It also reminds us that an understanding of history and of these relationships is essential

[0:00:45] Voice 18: when we think and discuss conservation. Thank you. All right, since we've gone through some

[0:00:56] Voice 18: some introductions.

[0:00:57] Voice 18: Fantastic, maybe, obviously no room.

[0:01:00] Voice 18: Chair of Trust Conservancy.

[0:01:02] Voice 18: We'll start with Risa.

[0:01:03] Voice 18: Risa Smith.

[0:01:06] Voice 15: Susan Yates.

[0:01:08] Voice 14: Charles Cot.

[0:01:09] Voice 15: Wendy Terrell.

[0:01:11] Voice 14: Tanner Timothy.

[0:01:13] Voice 16: Megan Elliott.

[0:01:14] Voice 16: Deb Catherine Martel.

[0:01:16] Voice 2: And Joe Elliott.

[0:01:18] Voice 16: Erica Wheeler.

[0:01:20] Voice 16: Mara Freider.

[0:01:21] Voice 16: And Coraline Strachan.

[0:01:22] Voice 16: Wonderful, thank you.

[0:01:25] Voice 18: All right, moving on to item number three,

[0:01:27] Voice 18: the approval of the agenda so far I have one addition that I know of to the

[0:01:35] Voice 18: agenda all right. Does anyone need a paper copy? If there is one available I'll

[0:01:43] Voice 13: take one. Do you have

[0:01:44] Voice 13: a paper copy? Of the agenda?

[0:01:47] Voice 8: How many copies are needed? I'm good, I think I have one.

[0:01:51] Voice 18: Anybody

[0:01:52] Voice 8: else want a

[0:01:52] Voice 18: cup of coffee?

[0:01:53] Voice 18: Okay, I have one.

[0:01:54] Voice 18: Awesome.

[0:01:55] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:01:56] Voice 18: All right, continuing on.

[0:01:59] Voice 18: We are reviewing the agenda,

[0:02:01] Voice 18: looking for items to add if there's any additions,

[0:02:03] Voice 18: and there is one.

[0:02:05] Voice 18: Is it my item that's-

[0:02:06] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:02:07] Voice 18: There's a motion to amend funding allocation for

[0:02:10] Voice 18: the conference that Trustee Smith attended,

[0:02:14] Voice 18: and we're going to make that 9.1 under new business.

[0:02:18] Voice 18: Is there any other addition?

[0:02:20] Voice 5: Not really an addition, but just consideration of item 723, whether we might invite Chair

[0:02:31] Voice 5: Patrick to come in and sit on that one, and that's the EC-NTC joint meeting.

[0:02:36] Voice 5: Oh, that

[0:02:37] Voice 18: would be wonderful.

[0:02:37] Voice 5: I know she's coming to the office today.

[0:02:40] Voice 5: I just don't know about timing, but take your time.

[0:02:42] Voice 5: Let's see if that's the right invitation.

[0:02:44] Voice 5: That

[0:02:44] Voice 18: would be perfect.

[0:02:45] Voice 5: It's

[0:02:46] Voice 18: not supposed to be all that bad.

[0:02:47] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:02:52] Voice 18: Wonderful.

[0:02:54] Voice 18: And then, so, any other additions?

[0:02:59] Voice 5: Kind of a question.

[0:03:01] Voice 5: I think it came too late to come to our agenda,

[0:03:04] Voice 5: but we, Islands Trust Council did receive a letter

[0:03:10] Voice 5: from Wasatch Leadership Council.

[0:03:13] Voice 5: I think it was only March 11th.

[0:03:16] Voice 5: And it is directed to Islands Trust Council,

[0:03:18] Voice 5: but it has to do with priority topics for collaboration,

[0:03:25] Voice 5: I think it probably should have been forwarded to us or it was cc'd to the Conservancy Board.

[0:03:31] Voice 5: Yes, but it wasn't added to our agenda.

[0:03:34] Voice 3: No, I want the staff.

[0:03:35] Voice 8: So I think the way in which I've spoken with our staff about it, we'll have it travel to Council,

[0:03:40] Voice 8: have Council sort of direct direction and then we'll come to the Conservancy Board.

[0:03:44] Voice 8: So I think it will take a few months to get here.

[0:03:45] Voice 8: So probably June Council and then directed.

[0:03:47] Voice 8: We are working with their staff in the background around how agreements might look

[0:03:51] Voice 8: and which bodies have different powers as it relates to it,

[0:03:54] Voice 8: but they selected that they wanted to go to Trust Council first.

[0:03:57] Voice 4: Thanks.

[0:04:00] Voice 4: Anybody else?

[0:04:02] Voice 4: I'm just wondering, could we just get a quick verbal leaf on that?

[0:04:08] Voice 8: Certainly, they're looking for an agreement with Islands Trust

[0:04:11] Voice 8: around opportunities to work together

[0:04:14] Voice 8: and associated capacity funding as appropriate

[0:04:17] Voice 8: to support the relationship, primarily on a number of topics,

[0:04:21] Voice 8: but primarily they have opportunities to work with us around education,

[0:04:24] Voice 8: around history and heritage, and a number of other matters,

[0:04:28] Voice 8: and wanting to talk to us around generally our work.

[0:04:31] Voice 8: I've suggested agreements with both bodies, which I think they were open to,

[0:04:35] Voice 8: but they wish to start with Trust Council.

[0:04:40] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:04:42] Voice 18: All right, moving on.

[0:04:44] Voice 18: Then I guess, by general consent, we can approve the agenda as amended.

[0:04:58] Voice 18: moving on to item number four

[0:05:00] Voice 18: rising report

[0:05:03] Voice 18: I'll read the rising report

[0:05:05] Voice 18: the Allen's Trust Conservancy

[0:05:07] Voice 18: ITC board was informed

[0:05:09] Voice 18: about a meeting between ITC staff

[0:05:11] Voice 18: and Ministry of

[0:05:14] Voice 18: Housing and Dispensary Affairs staff

[0:05:15] Voice 18: concerning land disposition

[0:05:16] Voice 18: regarding the transfer

[0:05:20] Voice 18: of land to Indigenous Governing Bodies

[0:05:22] Voice 18: if the ITC intends to

[0:05:24] Voice 18: explore land transfers

[0:05:25] Voice 18: first, either through current or future joint projects, it should develop a policy and include

[0:05:32] Voice 18: it in the board's five-year plan, 2028-2032, for the minister's consideration.

[0:05:41] Voice 18: All right, moving on to item number five, the adoption of minutes. We're looking for accuracy

[0:05:46] Voice 18: or... Go ahead.

[0:05:48] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm not sure how to deal with this, but it's in item six, and there is

[0:05:54] Voice 4: the rising report and at the end the last point is um the island's trust and certainty board approved

[0:06:01] Voice 4: the decisions to and its decisions

[0:06:03] Voice 4: related to ruby alton and we had another decision it's very close

[0:06:08] Voice 4: but it's not quite the same and i

[0:06:11] Voice 4: think it's getting confusing to have i imagine for staff

[0:06:15] Voice 4: actually to have slightly different decisions and so can i just read you what the decision was

[0:06:22] Voice 4: was in January, I took it out of the...

[0:06:27] Voice 18: Fantastic for clarity.

[0:06:28] Voice 4: What page is this?

[0:06:29] Voice 4: It's on page six.

[0:06:34] Voice 4: And so it's just for clarity,

[0:06:37] Voice 4: like what we decided at the January meeting,

[0:06:40] Voice 4: the ITC direct staff to seek out demolition companies

[0:06:43] Voice 4: to provide an estimate on demolition of the Ruby Alton House

[0:06:47] Voice 4: and other structures, including removal of hazardous materials

[0:06:50] Voice 4: materials and obtaining a demolition period. The difference is that the one that's in here,

[0:06:55] Voice 4: it sounds like staff has to do two separate things. Whereas in the January decision,

[0:07:01] Voice 4: we asked them to do, you know, one thing. It's just easier to have a demolition company do all

[0:07:06] Voice 4: of that. That's probably, I don't know what they're doing because, you

[0:07:09] Voice 3: know, we, in the

[0:07:11] Voice 4: minutes it says that there's a draft that's on someone's desk. So, but that's probably what

[0:07:18] Voice 4: they're doing but um it's the confusion of the two different decisions that i'm raising so i don't

[0:07:26] Voice 4: know this is what we decided at this this meeting which was this morning then this was from the

[0:07:33] Voice 4: november 19th meeting but in the january meeting is slightly different so

[0:07:40] Voice 4: i'm i guess i'm asking your advice or everyone's advice on how to

[0:07:44] Voice 4: deal with that and

[0:07:45] Voice 15: i remember the

[0:07:46] Voice 15: conversation is because you had you had had experience with this very topic and you informed

[0:07:52] Voice 15: us that both can be done at the same time or by by whatever company is chosen the asbestos

[0:07:58] Voice 15: like well

[0:07:59] Voice 4: the analysis yeah well demolition company yeah so i don't know what's happening

[0:08:05] Voice 4: but it's just that here we've asked for two separate things which could be the same it might

[0:08:10] Voice 4: not be confusing but i just wanted to highlight that there's two different decisions that are

[0:08:13] Voice 4: slightly different to

[0:08:15] Voice 8: that yeah

[0:08:17] Voice 4: do you want to wait for the follow-up action section or do you

[0:08:20] Voice 18: want to speak to that now it's captured later yeah i

[0:08:23] Voice 6: just wanted to raise it i don't

[0:08:25] Voice 4: know if you have

[0:08:25] Voice 6: i understand

[0:08:26] Voice 6: the confusion so we do understand that both can happen what we're in what we're

[0:08:30] Voice 6: learning from the demolition companies is that they don't do the analysis because of conflict

[0:08:35] Voice 6: of interest so we

[0:08:37] Voice 12: need a separate

[0:08:37] Voice 6: company to do the analysis and

[0:08:39] Voice 12: then the demolition

[0:08:40] Voice 6: companies do

[0:08:41] Voice 6: to the abatement and the demolition, if that's what we decide to do.

[0:08:46] Voice 6: Great.

[0:08:48] Voice 18: Any other changes to the minutes?

[0:08:55] Voice 18: No? So then are we going to amend them?

[0:08:59] Voice 18: I guess we'll just go as general consent.

[0:09:05] Voice 15: All right. Oh, sorry.

[0:09:08] Voice 15: I'm so sorry, Chair. Go for it.

[0:09:11] Voice 15: That does come up on page 7 of the draft minutes.

[0:09:16] Voice 15: it does come up in the discussion so the one two three four the fifth bullet down

[0:09:22] Voice 15: under discussion that records what we are our discussion that so the

[0:09:28] Voice 15: discussion is pretty clear is what we thought would happen but now I can see

[0:09:32] Voice 15: why yeah it's possibly too it's a discussion

[0:09:35] Voice 18: about it all right so no

[0:09:40] Voice 18: changes yeah by general consent moving on to item number six follow-up action

[0:09:48] Voice 18: lists uh please note that the fuel is provided for information are there any questions or updates

[0:09:57] Voice 4: i just want to say one thing i really like this new process of having under activity this sort

[0:10:03] Voice 4: of a date with an update yeah i think that's incredibly helpful so whoever invented that

[0:10:09] Voice 4: thank you it's very very good and uh

[0:10:12] Voice 4: on the first one i just it says on hold i'm just i'm a bit

[0:10:18] Voice 4: confused by uh the crystal mountain society proposal it says in progress but then it says

[0:10:26] Voice 4: in whole so i'm just confused by that yep

[0:10:29] Voice 6: staff martel stepped out but i can speak to that um

[0:10:34] Voice 6: it is on hold we are waiting for crystal mountain to return to us our direction

[0:10:43] Voice 15: any other comments so i think that makes sense because it's in progress as far as we're

[0:10:50] Voice 15: concern is the work that is on hold, because we're waiting for

[0:10:53] Voice 15: them to respond.

[0:10:54] Voice 15: Okay. Yeah.

[0:10:58] Voice 5: Question about item three on page 18. Just asking if

[0:11:05] Voice 5: you could have an update on that policy advisor position and when

[0:11:08] Voice 5: they might, whether in fact, they are going to be supporting

[0:11:13] Voice 5: ITC. Conservancy, right. Just maybe an update on the temporary

[0:11:18] Voice 5: policy advisor position and whether indeed part of the work plan

[0:11:22] Voice 5: will be to support conservancy.

[0:11:25] Voice 8: Yes, happy to speak to that.

[0:11:26] Voice 8: I have resumes in my inbox. I haven't got to them yet. But yes,

[0:11:30] Voice 8: it is my intention because it is a council-funded position, but the work

[0:11:34] Voice 8: would have been undertaken primarily by me in support of the new manager. So as a

[0:11:38] Voice 8: result of that, to free me up for other things, I'll be having that position assist with

[0:11:43] Voice 8: some of the First Nation engagement work. So yes, you

[0:11:46] Voice 11: will be getting

[0:11:46] Voice 11: access

[0:11:46] Voice 8: to some of that position to assist um i can also i've got the floor here around staffing

[0:11:52] Voice 8: advise that our new gis coordinator has started her name is

[0:11:55] Voice 8: candra um and so as she on boards

[0:11:58] Voice 8: we're also going to be um chatting with her around her level of support to the conservancy as well

[0:12:02] Voice 8: knowing that you had previously spoken with the executive committee around wanting to have some

[0:12:06] Voice 8: protected time for that position as well so we're very happy to have her here yeah

[0:12:13] Voice 5: any other comments i guess while we're on the topic of staffing um i guess the update from

[0:12:19] Voice 5: trust council is that we have a biologist on staff in the planning department that's huge

[0:12:26] Voice 4: wanting

[0:12:26] Voice 5: this for so long and is

[0:12:29] Voice 5: any of that information going to be able to upload to the

[0:12:32] Voice 5: conservancy um

[0:12:33] Voice 8: so i can speak to that that is not the intention is to benefit the conservancy

[0:12:38] Voice 8: that position is intended primarily to change planning templates functions methods so that

[0:12:44] Voice 8: it's a temporary position such that the systems can change and be resilient for when the position

[0:12:49] Voice 8: is no longer here so it's really intended to advance the planning department's change of

[0:12:54] Voice 8: function to better incorporate biological information if there is work done that produces

[0:12:58] Voice 8: new information that conservancy staff can use and

[0:13:00] Voice 8: access great but the intention really is to

[0:13:03] Voice 8: be a benefit to the planning department and a change of systems such that information that

[0:13:07] Voice 8: your great staff have brought into our mapping systems, planners would then know how to use it

[0:13:10] Voice 8: because we have a situation where we have some layers and some planners may not know how to

[0:13:16] Voice 8: access and report on that information. If I

[0:13:19] Voice 5: could, yeah, please follow up with another question. So

[0:13:22] Voice 5: a big piece that's been really missing in the last couple of years that conservancy staff

[0:13:26] Voice 5: identified was the lack of coordination, the mapping and planning, and all of the, you know,

[0:13:31] Voice 5: information from the field that's coming from consultants has not been updated because, I don't

[0:13:37] Voice 5: know our planning systems didn't match with with theirs i don't really understand information

[0:13:43] Voice 5: technology or any of that stuff but um are we moving to a place where things will actually be

[0:13:49] Voice 5: somewhat synchronized and all of that older data will be available which is actually really

[0:13:56] Voice 5: important for planning department because a

[0:13:58] Voice 4: lot of the

[0:13:58] Voice 5: conservancy provided data you know in regard

[0:14:00] Voice 5: to like tertiary or secondary forests is very old and it's may have may be accurate or it was

[0:14:07] Voice 5: a few years ago but it's not in our systems and so what we're pulling as we do land use mapping

[0:14:13] Voice 5: for our ltcs is not matching what's on the ground so i'm just is there i think this is a really good

[0:14:20] Voice 5: topic for the itc ec uh joint meeting um so maybe we can think about that a little bit of what is

[0:14:29] Voice 5: this whole landscape going to look like with an integrated mountain and gis working together

[0:14:37] Voice 8: so i'll start with an answer and then maybe defer to the other staff in the room here

[0:14:41] Voice 8: so i heard two things in that question one is around the property management information

[0:14:45] Voice 8: so for properties that the trust conservancy uh manages or or like has his nature reserves

[0:14:52] Voice 8: or covenants it's that information so we're still undertaking analysis about which which new can it

[0:14:57] Voice 8: can be accommodated in our current system or do we need to purchase additional software and we're

[0:15:01] Voice 8: still working through that analysis so no decisions have been made there we're exploring what can be

[0:15:07] Voice 8: done with the existing whether we need a different software there's that and then what i also heard

[0:15:11] Voice 8: was insufficiency around the currency of mapping as it relates to forests and those mapping layers

[0:15:16] Voice 8: that i can't speak to but i think catherine martell is probably well placed to comment on

[0:15:20] Voice 8: that i will just say i am aware i think we're behind on our aerial overflights um for some

[0:15:25] Voice 8: mapping layers but over to you um

[0:15:27] Voice 16: yeah so those are those are two separate pieces so as as director

[0:15:31] Voice 16: fader pointed out the backlog of consultant data that we have that hasn't been included relates

[0:15:37] Voice 16: specifically to conservancy properties we don't have

[0:15:39] Voice 16: data more broadly for the region unfortunately

[0:15:42] Voice 16: and that's the other piece though is that you're correct a lot of our um our terrestrial ecosystem

[0:15:48] Voice 16: mapping our sensitive ecosystem mapping that data it's more than 10 years old and

[0:15:54] Voice 16: we don't have

[0:15:55] Voice 16: an updated disturbance mapping layer for example and part of what i am hoping to do over the next

[0:16:03] Voice 16: six months is start to think through what we need for the next version of the regional conservation

[0:16:07] Voice 16: plan which is a lot of those

[0:16:09] Voice 16: pieces i do think those are joint conversations with trust council

[0:16:14] Voice 16: because they would be shared layers but some of them are simply they're bigger than islands trust

[0:16:21] Voice 16: trust can do. Like the current terrestrial ecosystem mapping that we have was done over

[0:16:26] Voice 16: five years with five different partners in order to find enough money to do it. And I

[0:16:33] Voice 16: think that's what is needed again. And the province is consistently not putting the funding

[0:16:38] Voice 16: into updating it for this area, is my understanding.

[0:16:42] Voice 5: Yeah,

[0:16:42] Voice 16: we're going to need a strategy around this for funding, because

[0:16:45] Voice 5: even like the building

[0:16:46] Voice 5: footprint layer that

[0:16:48] Voice 5: trust council was supposed to undertake a year and a half ago keeps getting deferred because we're trying to fund this taxpayer money. And this

[0:16:56] Voice 11: is just a

[0:16:56] Voice 5: much bigger project to update our map and really get it understaffed.

[0:17:02] Voice 5: So, anyway, I think, oh just one other question.

[0:17:10] Voice 6: It's an excellent collaborative project.

[0:17:13] Voice 6: there are other organizations and municipalities and regional districts that are looking for the

[0:17:21] Voice 6: same data yeah um to be updated that's something to do okay

[0:17:29] Voice 4: since we're on the topic of staffing

[0:17:34] Voice 4: can i ask one more question um the position for the itc the operations person is what's

[0:17:41] Voice 4: the status of that so we had a

[0:17:43] Voice 8: failed competition there where we didn't have any successful

[0:17:45] Voice 8: successful candidates. So we're working with the public service agency to reconsider some of the qualifications

[0:17:49] Voice 8: needed in that role. And then once that's all resolved, we'll be posting it again.

[0:17:53] Voice 8: All

[0:18:00] Voice 18: right. Any more comments, follow-up questions?

[0:18:06] Voice 18: So we'll move on. I have number seven. Sorry.

[0:18:22] Voice 18: That was my page here.

[0:18:27] Voice 12: There you go. All right.

[0:18:32] Voice 18: Right. And for approval. First up, the 7.1.1, Salt Spring Local Trust Committee's proposed bylaw, number 451.

[0:18:47] Voice 3: I

[0:18:48] Voice 1: will go next.

[0:18:49] Voice 18: Hi.

[0:18:51] Voice 1: Good morning, everyone. I'm just

[0:18:54] Voice 1: down the hall for lack of seats.

[0:18:58] Voice 1: So I'll present this item as it relates to the Earl Batista Covenant on Salt Spring Island.

[0:19:05] Voice 1: We have received a referral from the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee for a rezoning application.

[0:19:14] Voice 1: The applicant has applied to rezone their property in order to build a secondary dwelling and make their primary dwelling a rental dwelling.

[0:19:25] Voice 1: And the reason why they have to rezone is because their current dwelling, which they wish to rent out, is slightly too large to be a secondary dwelling.

[0:19:39] Voice 1: And so they need to rezone. It's a pretty self-explanatory report.

[0:19:45] Voice 1: The proposed location for the new build is on the map.

[0:19:50] Voice 1: and as you can see it's in the opposite corner of the property to the Real Batista Covenant

[0:19:59] Voice 1: which is across the road. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

[0:20:06] Voice 18: Any questions anyone? No. Yeah just a comment for me too, it looks like the increase in density

[0:20:19] Voice 18: isn't too far outside the scope

[0:20:21] Voice 18: for the Salt Spring

[0:20:23] Voice 18: OCP or land use

[0:20:25] Voice 18: bylaw. In my

[0:20:27] Voice 18: opinion, that

[0:20:27] Voice 18: our interest

[0:20:33] Voice 18: would be unaffected by this.

[0:20:39] Voice 15: It says that the current

[0:20:41] Voice 15: zoning allows for development of a

[0:20:43] Voice 15: seasonal cottage secondary to the existing

[0:20:45] Voice 15: single-family dwelling anyway.

[0:20:47] Voice 15: Yeah, anyway, right?

[0:20:49] Voice 3: I thought you changed the motion.

[0:20:51] Voice 3: Fantastic.

[0:20:55] Voice 4: that the Islands Trust Conservancy Board direct staff

[0:20:57] Voice 4: to notify the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:21:00] Voice 4: that Islands Trust Conservancy's interests are unaffected

[0:21:03] Voice 4: by By-law No. 541.

[0:21:04] Voice 4: Second.

[0:21:05] Voice 18: Second by Susan Yates.

[0:21:08] Voice 18: Call to vote.

[0:21:10] Voice 18: All in favour?

[0:21:15] Voice 18: Motion carried.

[0:21:19] Voice 18: We're pretty far ahead in our agenda right now.

[0:21:23] Voice 18: We're at 25 after 10.

[0:21:26] Voice 18: Up

[0:21:27] Voice 15: next, the schedule is a break.

[0:21:29] Voice 15: Yes.

[0:21:29] Voice 15: Oh, just a quick suggestion, Chair Govro.

[0:21:31] Voice 15: If we do end up being way far ahead before our lunch break,

[0:21:35] Voice 15: maybe we could do a little quick roundtable.

[0:21:37] Voice 15: Oh, lovely idea.

[0:21:38] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:21:43] Voice 18: I like that a lot.

[0:21:46] Voice 18: And then, so then maybe we should move on to items for discussion.

[0:21:51] Voice 18: Moving on to 7.2.1.

[0:21:58] Voice 18: Sorry, lost my note again.

[0:22:01] Voice 18: Yeah, invitation to join the Center for Land Conservation's Land Trust

[0:22:05] Voice 18: Certificate Pilot Program.

[0:22:07] Voice 18: Any comments on this one?

[0:22:11] Voice 3: Maybe.

[0:22:14] Voice 4: Yeah, I think it's the right decision.

[0:22:18] Voice 4: Good note.

[0:22:20] Voice 4: Oh, Carolyn wrote the note.

[0:22:21] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:22:22] Voice 4: It's a good decision,

[0:22:23] Voice 4: but I do think we should all be aware

[0:22:25] Voice 4: that the reason that the land trusts

[0:22:30] Voice 4: in the trust area are going for certification,

[0:22:33] Voice 4: including the Galliano Conservancy,

[0:22:34] Voice 4: is because it relates to funders so funders are increasingly wanting to

[0:22:41] Voice 4: ensure the credibility of the organization and this relates a little

[0:22:45] Voice 4: bit to the TLC and their need to default themselves at properties because for

[0:22:52] Voice 4: financial reasons a few years back takes a while for all these things to catch up

[0:22:56] Voice 4: so that's why the local Conservancy's are going for this because it's a

[0:23:03] Voice 4: a standard and then we can say we've done these standards

[0:23:05] Voice 4: and there's an outside body

[0:23:07] Voice 4: that's certified that we're credible, our finances are credible. I don't think

[0:23:11] Voice 4: we have to do that because we're in the province as this

[0:23:15] Voice 4: excellent note.

[0:23:16] Voice 18: Yeah, that's what I thought too. How do we want to address

[0:23:19] Voice 18: this idea of perhaps writing

[0:23:23] Voice 18: a response letter to them declining the offer in a very nice manner

[0:23:27] Voice 18: of course because I do understand the merits of that. Yeah,

[0:23:30] Voice 18: it's probably a good idea.

[0:23:31] Voice 18: Does that sound all right? Perhaps I'll take that on and I'll drop the letter.

[0:23:36] Voice 16: I just think it's important, Chair Grover, if you are

[0:23:39] Voice 16: replying, I think it's just important to know this is the

[0:23:41] Voice 16: second time that they've asked us that we've said

[0:23:43] Voice 16: no. Several years ago they approached Kate Emmings and I.

[0:23:48] Voice 16: I missed that part. I didn't understand that one.

[0:23:50] Voice 18: Yeah, I

[0:23:51] Voice 18: think it's a timing issue for us right now as well. Perhaps I'll drop

[0:23:55] Voice 18: that letter circulated to the board and then

[0:23:57] Voice 18: And we can move on.

[0:24:00] Voice 18: Do we need a motion there?

[0:24:01] Voice 18: Any motion at this point,

[0:24:02] Voice 5: do you think?

[0:24:03] Voice 5: Well, we could clarify the board's direction

[0:24:05] Voice 5: so that we're

[0:24:06] Voice 5: all on the same page

[0:24:07] Voice 5: and maybe make a resolution

[0:24:09] Voice 5: so that it'd be easy for you to frame it.

[0:24:11] Voice 18: Yeah,

[0:24:11] Voice 5: I did have a proposed motion here.

[0:24:14] Voice 5: Oh, great.

[0:24:14] Voice 18: Perhaps I'll read it out before anyone seconds it.

[0:24:16] Voice 18: We can take a couple of laps at it.

[0:24:21] Voice 18: Yeah, I move that the

[0:24:23] Voice 18: Alice Stresco Servancy Board

[0:24:25] Voice 18: defines the invitation to join the center

[0:24:28] Voice 18: for Land Conservation's Land Trust

[0:24:30] Voice 18: to begin by the program.

[0:24:31] Voice 18: Simple.

[0:24:33] Voice 18: Larry, can

[0:24:34] Voice 9: you read that again slowly?

[0:24:35] Voice 18: Oh, I will. Sorry.

[0:24:36] Voice 18: We're not there yet.

[0:24:38] Voice 18: We're not going to second it.

[0:24:39] Voice 18: We're going to just kind of

[0:24:39] Voice 18: mill over it a little bit.

[0:24:41] Voice 18: So let's just give it up verbally first.

[0:24:44] Voice 18: I think we might.

[0:24:45] Voice 18: Does that sound all right?

[0:24:46] Voice 18: It's just the climate.

[0:24:47] Voice 15: Do we want to add any information

[0:24:50] Voice 15: about why we're declining in the motion?

[0:24:52] Voice 15: Or

[0:24:53] Voice 5: is that too complicated?

[0:24:54] Voice 15: Yeah, correct.

[0:24:55] Voice 15: I think it's pretty simple.

[0:24:57] Voice 5: Well, existing priorities, perhaps that our priorities right now are not aligned with what they're looking for.

[0:25:08] Voice 5: We're moving ahead into other things.

[0:25:11] Voice 5: I mean, yes, we don't have to talk about capacity issues, but yeah.

[0:25:15] Voice 4: I would like to say one thing, though.

[0:25:17] Voice 4: Just Catherine and I were both on a phone call with him, and I would say that Catherine really influenced them.

[0:25:23] Voice 4: So they're going forward and our experience had a very positive influence on they're going forward with standards. So

[0:25:37] Voice 18: So how do we feel about the motion fine as it is

[0:25:42] Voice 18: Or do you want to add anything to it? Did you say it again? I can say it again slowly. I

[0:25:49] Voice 18: Move that the island's trust conservancy board

[0:25:52] Voice 18: board declines the invitation to join the Center for Land Conservation's Land Trust Certification pilot program.

[0:26:11] Voice 5: Do you do existing priorities or?

[0:26:15] Voice 5: Yeah, I just want to know like what, what, what reasons are we going to fill out for why we decline it?

[0:26:22] Voice 5: I think there's a few.

[0:26:23] Voice 5: Okay, so we'll include those.

[0:26:24] Voice 5: Yeah. All right.

[0:26:25] Voice 18: I think there's quite a few to mention. I mean, that'll be in the letter.

[0:26:30] Voice 8: Great. Yeah.

[0:26:31] Voice 8: If I might, perhaps I could read that the board requests the chair to write

[0:26:35] Voice 8: declining because the action is actually the letter itself. Okay.

[0:26:44] Voice 18: And then I'm going to

[0:26:45] Voice 18: be a stickler. Can we see the motion? Thank you. I like seeing the motions right out there. I think

[0:26:52] Voice 18: it's important for. And

[0:27:16] Voice 6: everyone read that. I

[0:27:17] Voice 16: can't see. Maybe a little bit bigger, please.

[0:27:19] Voice 16: maybe a little bit bigger there

[0:27:21] Voice 6: we go that's perfect um

[0:27:25] Voice 18: all right and then

[0:27:32] Voice 18: yeah how's that look i'm happy to second

[0:27:37] Voice 12: seconder yeah

[0:27:37] Voice 12: yeah second

[0:27:49] Voice 9: by susan oh uh mover would be you me yeah i just need to know the boat

[0:27:55] Voice 9: i just need to know the boat when you're done this way the boat oh

[0:28:01] Voice 18: you're right on the boat

[0:28:01] Voice 18: I'm sorry. I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[0:28:15] Voice 8: Yeah, I guess.

[0:28:16] Voice 8: So following a vote, Chair, it's good if you could declare it carried.

[0:28:20] Voice 8: Oh, vote is carried.

[0:28:21] Voice 8: Moving

[0:28:29] Voice 18: on to item 7.2.2,

[0:28:33] Voice 11: North

[0:28:34] Voice 18: Pendler Island By-law, 235 referral.

[0:28:41] Voice 18: He's reading this one out.

[0:28:43] Voice 18: Is there a motion?

[0:28:47] Voice 5: I didn't see a motion.

[0:28:48] Voice 18: Well, it's for information, not motion.

[0:28:51] Voice 18: We'll see. Perhaps any discussion.

[0:28:53] Voice 18: Do we understand the bylaws about increasing or updating, modernizing the DPA mapping around

[0:29:02] Voice 18: raptor and herring nests reflects changes in the last mapping, which was done in 2008,

[0:29:08] Voice 18: so it's an update.

[0:29:10] Voice 18: The mapping updates informed by the newer surveys of 2013 and the provincial raptor

[0:29:17] Voice 18: conservation guidelines.

[0:29:20] Voice 18: The revised provisions adjust to enhance nest protection, especially during the breeding seasons.

[0:29:32] Voice 18: Yeah, I actually don't think there's any actions required from us at this point on this.

[0:29:36] Voice 18: There's more for our information, what's happening out there.

[0:29:40] Voice 6: And we have staff member Eric Wheeler here to speak to that, if you have any questions about the proposal and the information that we provided to provide.

[0:29:49] Voice 6: thanks for that. And

[0:29:53] Voice 7: may I also add that there's a correction to what is in the brief?

[0:30:00] Voice 7: And I'm sorry, I didn't catch it before it came off of last meeting's agenda onto this one.

[0:30:07] Voice 7: It's quite simple.

[0:30:09] Voice 7: And I think that Coraline will reflect that in a minute.

[0:30:12] Voice 7: Point number three on page 16.

[0:30:19] Voice 7: But in the briefing itself, Wendy, which is page 42.

[0:30:24] Voice 7: Point number

[0:30:25] Voice 7: three about the bald eagles, that can be removed.

[0:30:28] Voice 7: that was actually just a misunderstanding about my background and I provided some information

[0:30:36] Voice 7: just about how the bald eagle nests will affect activity on ITC protected areas but that doesn't

[0:30:44] Voice 7: need to be that's really just for staff so this information can be removed but I've also added

[0:30:49] Voice 7: that there's a western screech owl nest that the province has mapped that wasn't in appendix O

[0:30:55] Voice 7: which is the map of the trees.

[0:30:57] Voice 7: So that information corrected went to the planner

[0:31:01] Voice 7: in question who's working on this.

[0:31:03] Voice 7: So I just wanted to make sure

[0:31:05] Voice 7: that you had the correct information

[0:31:06] Voice 7: and that will go into the minutes.

[0:31:11] Voice 18: Great, thank you.

[0:31:15] Voice 18: Any other comments or questions for staff?

[0:31:17] Voice 18: Then I suggest we'll move on.

[0:31:20] Voice 18: We'll move on to item 7.2.3, EC-ITC joint meeting.

[0:31:26] Voice 18: So we have Laura Patrick joining us.

[0:31:28] Voice 18: Thank you, Laura.

[0:31:34] Voice 5: Can I suggest that we take a brief break and just pause?

[0:31:39] Voice 5: I think this is the only really item of substantial discussion for the out-of-camera meeting.

[0:31:48] Voice 5: So could we take some time with this and maybe, you know, have 45 minutes since we're so much

[0:31:56] Voice 5: to have a schedule um because I don't see there's a lot else to talk about okay how does that sound

[0:32:05] Voice 5: to the board we'll take a break now okay

[0:32:08] Voice 18: I want to

[0:32:08] Voice 5: gather my thoughts I feel like we're really

[0:32:10] Voice 18: racing yeah I know it's going really fast sorry let's settle down the last game went so long I'm

[0:32:16] Voice 18: sorry I did it yeah so I'm trying to keep

[0:32:19] Voice 18: it real concise but I think we need to get the theme

[0:32:21] an

[0:32:21] Voice 18: appreciation coffee thanks

[0:32:25] Voice 16: great i'll go ahead another flower put another pot of coffee

[0:32:30] Voice 3: so yeah can we officially congratulate lord

[0:32:34] Voice 3: can we officially congratulate well let's go to a break first okay

[0:32:39] Voice 3: i think yep yes

[0:32:49] Voice 12: please and

[0:39:27] Voice 15: i'm susan yates elected uh for the gabriola local trust dairy

[0:39:31] Voice 15: which includes De Corsi and Mudge Islands,

[0:39:34] Voice 15: and I live in Snuneymux territory.

[0:39:39] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:39:40] Voice 14: I'm Charles Conn, and I'm appointed to Wailea Province

[0:39:46] Voice 14: for the one-gallon pass off Green Island.

[0:39:50] Voice 14: I want to move to California.

[0:39:53] Voice 12: Everyone does.

[0:39:58] Voice 14: And that's all.

[0:40:01] Voice 5: Oh, hi. Okay. My name is Toby Elliott. I was born and raised in, well, what's known as Langley, and on a farm.

[0:40:18] Voice 5: and this would be the Matskwe tribes.

[0:40:23] Voice 5: And welcome.

[0:40:25] Voice 5: What land?

[0:40:26] Voice 5: What land are you from?

[0:40:28] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:40:29] Voice 5: And yeah, I came to Gabriela Island about 12 years ago.

[0:40:33] Voice 5: My family had a little cabin there

[0:40:37] Voice 5: and I was seeking a retreat to edit a documentary,

[0:40:39] Voice 5: actually about a trapper up north.

[0:40:42] Voice 5: I spent some time in the north

[0:40:43] Voice 5: and was learning about ecology and the mix of industry

[0:40:47] Voice 5: and towns and traplines and traditional uses and and it was just fascinating so I ended up on a

[0:40:55] Voice 5: little gulf island and fell in love with a wooden boat so I stayed um yeah and so I got elected to

[0:41:03] Voice 5: the islands trust I sort of came through that through community organizing do a lot of um

[0:41:08] Voice 5: of that still an advocate for tiny homes um just a little plug from the islands trust side we've

[0:41:17] Voice 5: We've just finished a Tiny Homes technical workshop with the Regional District of Nanaimo.

[0:41:23] Voice 5: And this is really going to be key for the Islands Trust.

[0:41:26] Voice 5: I've been thinking for so long about what is the suitable form of housing for the islands.

[0:41:32] Voice 5: And honestly, anything that does not entail digging a foundation and disturbing, as we know, indigenous soils and all the culturally sacred and sensitive areas that are in the islands is really...

[0:41:47] Voice 5: becoming a lot more of a priority so it's not just about housing for people who can't own land but

[0:41:55] Voice 5: it's also what kind of responsible housing is uh the least impactful for the environment so

[0:42:00] Voice 5: that's a really cool um it's a technical working group the owns trust funded thank you

[0:42:06] Voice 5: and uh we'll get the report out march 31st and with recommendations and be able to present those

[0:42:14] Voice 5: at the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities Convention

[0:42:19] Voice 5: coming up in April.

[0:42:20] Voice 5: So I haven't even seen the recommendations yet,

[0:42:23] Voice 5: but I've heard really good things from the workshop.

[0:42:26] Voice 5: And then, yeah, so I'm here on behalf of the executive.

[0:42:30] Voice 5: So my interest is really in aligning strategies and priorities

[0:42:34] Voice 5: and making sure that these two bodies are working together

[0:42:38] Voice 5: and supporting one another and First Nations engagement

[0:42:41] Voice 5: and really forward-thinking land use planning

[0:42:45] Voice 5: and developing full management plans

[0:42:47] Voice 5: and strategies with nations is my passion.

[0:42:49] Voice 5: So thanks for listening.

[0:42:52] Voice 13: Thank you, Trustee Elliott.

[0:42:54] Voice 13: Good morning, everyone.

[0:42:55] Voice 13: My name is Tanner Timothy.

[0:42:57] Voice 13: I am originally from Sliamon First Nation,

[0:43:00] Voice 13: as well as Wiwakai through my two great grandmothers.

[0:43:04] Voice 13: I was born and raised in Sliamon

[0:43:06] Voice 13: on our village of Tisho-Sum,

[0:43:08] Voice 13: which is a reserve located north of Paul River on the waterfront.

[0:43:13] Voice 13: So I spend a lot of time on the ocean, on the foreshore,

[0:43:17] Voice 13: and just in the outer reaches of the ITC area.

[0:43:21] Voice 13: Liskety is a part of the lower part of our traditional territory.

[0:43:25] Voice 13: I currently reside in Vancouver.

[0:43:27] Voice 13: I'm a provincially appointed board member of the ITC as of August 2024

[0:43:33] Voice 13: until August of this year.

[0:43:36] Voice 13: I do have interest in continuing that role but we'll see where everything falls but I've been

[0:43:43] Voice 13: honored to be a part of this board meeting with everyone wonderful staff that's just doing amazing

[0:43:49] Voice 13: work I think the work that ITC is doing to preserve such sensitive and important ecosystems

[0:43:56] Voice 13: within the Salish Sea is so important I think we've all learned that through history of you

[0:44:02] Voice 13: you know, how females develop and live where they are.

[0:44:05] Voice 13: We've been really impactful.

[0:44:07] Voice 13: So I think it's important for us to kind of reflect on that

[0:44:09] Voice 13: and how we can enhance and support, you know,

[0:44:13] Voice 13: the territories that we're on and the flora and fauna

[0:44:15] Voice 13: so that people in the future can really enjoy it.

[0:44:17] Voice 13: So that's something that I'm really passionate about.

[0:44:20] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[0:44:24] Voice 18: Chair Patrick.

[0:44:27] Voice 17: Hi, Patrick.

[0:44:28] Voice 17: So I'm Eleanor from Salt Spring.

[0:44:30] Voice 17: It's been a long time.

[0:44:32] Voice 17: And, you know, just the new chair as of last week.

[0:44:37] Voice 17: So I'm looking forward to joining you for our next conversation here,

[0:44:40] Voice 17: which we can talk more about in a moment.

[0:44:42] Voice 17: So thank you for letting me sneak in.

[0:44:45] Voice 17: That's fantastic.

[0:44:47] Voice 6: Manager Tyrrell.

[0:44:50] Voice 6: I'm Member Tyrrell.

[0:44:51] Voice 6: I'm the new Acting Manager of the Early Stress Conservancy,

[0:44:54] Voice 6: working with an amazing team of staff members that I have had the pleasure

[0:45:00] Voice 6: to work with a few years ago

[0:45:02] Voice 6: as the Species and Risk Program Coordinator

[0:45:04] Voice 6: here at Early Stress Conservancy.

[0:45:06] Voice 6: So I'm very happy to be back.

[0:45:08] Voice 6: I'm originally from the lands of the Chumash and Gabrielino peoples which is now known as Southern

[0:45:15] Voice 6: California, and I have been here on the lands of the Sonokees and Esquimalt peoples, the Onyx

[0:45:25] Voice 6: Wanderers. I'm

[0:45:28] Voice 16: the ecosystem protection specialist with

[0:45:39] Voice 16: Trust Conservancy. I'm originally from Winnipeg, from Treaty 1 lands, and

[0:45:46] Voice 16: moved out here to Victoria when I was in high

[0:45:55] Voice 16: school, and I actually currently, after moving around many different places, I

[0:45:59] Voice 16: currently live right in the coast, which is about that. It's sort of an

[0:46:04] Voice 16: overlap zone of the Pungent-speaking and Sechawkin-speaking

[0:46:08] Voice 16: so it's a really important area and living not that far from where I grew up in high school

[0:46:14] Voice 16: and I spent a lot of time chasing through footholds and a neighbor first taught me

[0:46:20] Voice 16: fawn lilies and other native plants and set me on this long path that led me here I'm very excited

[0:46:26] Voice 16: about it

[0:46:26] Voice 16: with the NHSNAMC.

[0:46:28] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:46:31] Voice 2: My co-host has to walk home,

[0:46:33] Voice 2: which originates from Sniadimo.

[0:46:35] Voice 2: My family name, as far as I know,

[0:46:37] Voice 2: comes from Sniadimo, but it has a lot of

[0:46:39] Voice 2: connection also to the islands.

[0:46:41] Voice 2: Specifically, it's all spring,

[0:46:43] Voice 2: and the various other islands.

[0:46:45] Voice 2: And so,

[0:46:47] Voice 2: my English name is Julius.

[0:46:49] Voice 2: I'm the Islands Trust's NHSNAMC

[0:46:51] Voice 2: engagement advisor.

[0:46:52] Voice 2: We talked about names earlier, our family

[0:46:55] Voice 2: names in regards to our connection. I remember the story my um my late uh or my wife's uh late

[0:47:03] Voice 2: grandfather talking about last names and so the really we in our last names we really couldn't

[0:47:11] Voice 2: connect us in regards to some of our last names that are in our family in our relations um in a

[0:47:16] Voice 2: way it's very so when seven brothers or seven brothers and sisters walk into residential school

[0:47:21] Voice 2: they walked in there as brothers we don't have um we don't have a word for cousin in our language so

[0:47:27] Voice 2: all the first cousins are like brothers and sisters so when they walked out they walked

[0:47:31] Voice 2: out with uh seven or eight different last names and so they said only way we probably is if we

[0:47:36] Voice 2: look at our family names this uh is our root and our our connection and my late father carried the

[0:47:43] Voice 2: last names of something so when we do our traditional names and we stand them they stand

[0:47:48] Voice 2: them up and they receive the names they share the history of those um first nations the family names

[0:47:53] Voice 2: that they carry and so my my father carried a family name that probably so something that came

[0:47:58] Voice 2: from squirrel cove um from i can say distant relative relatives right here so that's how we're

[0:48:04] Voice 2: going to find our relatives in regards to having a conversation and having these introductions are

[0:48:09] Voice 2: very important in regards to that process because it brings us to the heart we're speaking from the

[0:48:14] Voice 2: heart from that place

[0:48:14] Voice 2: and when we're doing this kind of work we're always speaking from the head

[0:48:17] Voice 2: we stay here so we need to remember our connection to the land and who we are as people

[0:48:22] Voice 2: is that connection to the water and land so we're speaking from the heart to maintain that

[0:48:27] Voice 2: connection so thank you thank

[0:48:29] Voice 12: you my

[0:48:33] Voice 7: name is erica wheeler i'm the species at risk program

[0:48:38] Voice 7: coordinator with ITC, followed in Wendy's capable footsteps and been here for a

[0:48:44] Voice 7: year. I really enjoyed working with the team and being close to this process. I

[0:48:50] Voice 7: grew up in North Vancouver, home of the Tsleil-Waututh peoples and now live here

[0:48:58] Voice 7: in Victoria.

[0:49:01] Voice 8: Hi everyone, my name is

[0:49:03] Voice 8: Claire Frater. I work here as the

[0:49:05] Voice 8: director of trust area services um my background is my family's here from england but i grew up in

[0:49:11] Voice 8: wissanich territory near brentwood bay and was really yeah so lucky to grow up in a community

[0:49:16] Voice 8: with access to lands and waters that i treasure and love and i'm so pleased to work with the

[0:49:21] Voice 8: conservancy to help protect this wonderful area thank you my

[0:49:27] Voice 10: name is corlin strachan i'm the

[0:49:28] Voice 10: administrative assistant for the allen's trust conservancy i've been with the trust since um

[0:49:34] Voice 10: Yeah, it's been a while now, since 2011, I think.

[0:49:39] Voice 10: I really enjoy working with the Annals Trust Conservancy team.

[0:49:43] Voice 10: And yeah, it's just, it's a great place to work.

[0:49:47] Voice 10: I currently live on the WSAC territory,

[0:49:52] Voice 10: and I just, I really love the area that we're in,

[0:49:59] Voice 10: and I'm in the process of learning to the best of my ability

[0:50:03] Voice 10: about First Nations

[0:50:05] Voice 10: and reconciliation

[0:50:06] Voice 10: and

[0:50:09] Voice 10: I've been working on

[0:50:10] Voice 10: a land acknowledgement myself

[0:50:13] Voice 10: so I'm trying to get Joe's assistance

[0:50:15] Voice 10: on that so I'm working

[0:50:17] Voice 10: through a lot right now so it's good to be here

[0:50:19] Voice 10: thank you

[0:50:19] Voice 10: wonderful

[0:50:22] Voice 18: great introductions

[0:50:26] Voice 18: we'll return to the agenda

[0:50:28] Voice 18: we're at item 7.2.3

[0:50:31] Voice 18: free, the ITC joint meeting. I'm going to close it with that.

[0:50:39] Voice 18: We're looking for direction for the meeting and the topics, so we'll start with the general

[0:50:46] Voice 18: discussion here.

[0:50:48] Voice 12: Anybody like to go first?

[0:50:51] Voice 17: I'll jump in first. I know I attended the

[0:50:57] Voice 17: Coastal Douglas Forest Conservation Partnership workshop, and Lisa was there as well. Wonderful

[0:51:03] Voice 17: wonderful workshop it was exciting so much information but inside conversations with people

[0:51:09] Voice 17: almost every person I talked with started with what's up with the trust and it wasn't positive

[0:51:14] Voice 17: and so I think there's a real opportunity that I'd like to see as we meet together

[0:51:20] Voice 17: how we can get the story out get you know talking about the good and the future

[0:51:30] Voice 17: and opportunities, so I think that would be a big piece I'd like to really see, is I think we need to

[0:51:37] Voice 17: get out there, so that next time I go to a conference like that, we don't start with

[0:51:42] Voice 17: what's up with the trust, it should be, oh, tell me

[0:51:44] Voice 3: about the trust,

[0:51:45] Voice 17: or what's exciting about the

[0:51:47] Voice 17: trust.

[0:51:49] Voice 5: Thank you, so what occurs to me as you, as you say that, is what is the story that we

[0:51:57] Voice 5: we want to tell and how can we gather the information of all the good pieces that are

[0:52:03] Voice 5: actually happening and in conversations with planners as as i've traveled um to say the

[0:52:10] Voice 5: southern gulf islands you know a planner might be really excited about what's happening with

[0:52:14] Voice 5: komox first nation and the development of um cultural heritage areas for instance and so

[0:52:22] Voice 5: So there's really emerging conversations, but it doesn't necessarily get translated across our organization so that we don't have a cohesive picture.

[0:52:32] Voice 5: And often because this information is sensitive, right, and it's emerging out of conversations that staff are having.

[0:52:39] Voice 5: So that's one piece is sort of getting everything on to sort of mapping it out a little bit of where are we moving ahead?

[0:52:49] Voice 5: where are we you know waiting to hear um back on interest of an agreement let's say um but then the

[0:52:58] Voice 5: other piece that's that's not working very well i would say is staff is doing great work um but

[0:53:06] Voice 5: i'll speak on behalf of trust council and some of the trustees who aren't part of the conversations

[0:53:11] Voice 5: have no idea what's going on and so in their frustration and angst because we want to do good

[0:53:18] Voice 5: work in advance relationship building um you know for instance i'll i'll admit to this i directed a

[0:53:24] Voice 5: letter b written from the gabriella ltc to it's the name of first nation saying here are some

[0:53:30] Voice 5: you know projects that we're involved in and we just want to alert you to the meeting dates and

[0:53:35] Voice 5: and frankly the planner came back and said that's that's that's not going to work there's one point

[0:53:40] Voice 5: of contact with chief and council and i'm having conversations with her and that's the right flow

[0:53:47] Voice 5: through for information so for me to direct as a trustee in my eagerness to get information flowing

[0:53:54] Voice 5: we stopped that letter it just wasn't appropriate so there needs to be some kind of mapped out

[0:54:03] Voice 5: i love mapping and i

[0:54:04] Voice 5: love people who organize information i'm not one of those people i'm a

[0:54:07] Voice 5: holistic thinker i don't like things in boxes but if we had a strategy for the conservancy

[0:54:15] Voice 5: and for Islands Trust Council for how we're moving forward

[0:54:18] Voice 5: and sort of regular reporting back to our decision-making bodies.

[0:54:22] Voice 5: I think that would alleviate some of the concerns

[0:54:27] Voice 5: that perhaps nothing's going on

[0:54:29] Voice 5: and these things get articulated at Council

[0:54:32] Voice 5: and that leads to this bad messaging,

[0:54:34] Voice 5: well, what is the Islands Trust doing?

[0:54:36] Voice 5: There's good work happening, it's just not getting translated.

[0:54:40] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:54:41] Voice 4: Justice Beth.

[0:54:42] Voice 4: Well, so I think this is a good, would be a deep discussion for us to have with the executive, because my experience at the same workshop was not the same as Laura's, because I was

[0:54:54] Voice 4: there for ITC, and I had it on my badge, and she was there for the out-of-stress.

[0:54:58] Voice 4: i had heard nothing bad about itc only good things and people quite happy that we exist and

[0:55:06] Voice 4: you know um yeah i actually talked to a lot of people i didn't hear one negative thing about itc

[0:55:13] Voice 4: so maybe um we should be you know this is something to discuss together why is our story

[0:55:21] Voice 4: better maybe it's not just the perception is it's better maybe we could be leveraging off of that

[0:55:28] Voice 4: maybe not and also toby i think what you raise is really good to make part of that discussion

[0:55:34] Voice 4: uh how do we interact because um like yeah just having one point of contact and nobody else can

[0:55:44] Voice 4: talk to first nations that i don't think works either so um i don't know why it's a discussion

[0:55:51] Voice 4: So I love that as a topic and also it's our 35th anniversary.

[0:55:57] Voice 4: So we could work that into the,

[0:55:58] Voice 15: into the topic.

[0:56:01] Voice 15: Thank you, Chair Govro.

[0:56:03] Voice 15: So I'm hoping we'll have a little bit of time to talk about the Islands

[0:56:07] Voice 15: Trust Conservancy presentation to June Trust Council,

[0:56:10] Voice 15: because at Trust Council,

[0:56:12] Voice 15: we do get a chance to reach a larger audience,

[0:56:15] Voice 15: both sometimes in the room, but also listening online.

[0:56:18] Voice 15: island. So maybe the good news is that when I came back from our recent trust council quarterly

[0:56:23] Voice 15: meeting, I met with a number of people directly afterwards and everybody said, congratulations on

[0:56:31] Voice 15: your budget. Like, good. Like, you know, we, it came up a little bit from our, what we tried to

[0:56:37] Voice 15: whittle down and no one complained about it. People seemed really happy. And two people said

[0:56:43] Voice 15: said to me, were you able to keep what you needed for the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[0:56:48] Voice 15: understanding that it does, you know, fall under budget? And I

[0:56:52] Voice 15: said, yeah, pretty much. We got

[0:56:54] Voice 15: what we needed, and we would like to get more, but we'll just keep working on it. So people who

[0:57:00] Voice 15: really care, they do listen, but we do have to give them clear messages wherever and whenever we can.

[0:57:19] Voice 13: Yeah, maybe there's messaging that could be, I don't know if included like in our newsletter

[0:57:26] Voice 13: or something to share more information, just to take away from those perspectives of, you

[0:57:32] Voice 13: know, what's going on.

[0:57:34] Voice 13: I don't know if the newsletter would be appropriate avenue, but just some sort of public

[0:57:38] Voice 13: messaging that's sharing you know successes and some things that maybe will alleviate some of

[0:57:46] Voice 13: those perspectives just one suggestion but yeah

[0:57:49] Voice 18: yeah um i just need to comment quick for me i

[0:57:53] Voice 18: think uh we're prioritizing engagements with first nations but there doesn't seem to be a lot of

[0:57:58] Voice 18: budget to do that work i don't think maybe that'd be something we could talk about with ec around

[0:58:06] Voice 18: around trying to figure those pieces out.

[0:58:09] Voice 18: Because I know in the future,

[0:58:10] Voice 18: we're talking about things like co-management,

[0:58:13] Voice 18: co-shared governance,

[0:58:18] Voice 18: even things that are on the horizon, perhaps for us,

[0:58:21] Voice 18: maybe things that we don't have any

[0:58:23] Voice 18: mailed or of interest from some of the nations

[0:58:25] Voice 18: given any of these specific to us,

[0:58:27] Voice 18: but maybe a conversation

[0:58:30] Voice 18: kind of to broaden that piece of it so

[0:58:35] Voice 5: what occurs to me on that point of so the province

[0:58:41] Voice 5: gave us 150 000 as a grant specifically to engage with nations part of that's going to be used for

[0:58:47] Voice 5: the conservancy fantastic part of our budget is is from taxpayer funds what if the reporting out

[0:58:55] Voice 5: for the use of that grant is part of the good news story

[0:59:00] Voice 11: and

[0:59:01] Voice 5: helps inform future engagement processes

[0:59:05] Voice 5: because what we're struggling with, I think I hear,

[0:59:08] Voice 5: is the province doesn't have clear guidelines

[0:59:11] Voice 5: for engagement with First Nations.

[0:59:13] Voice 5: It seems to be an OCP comes to them and they're like,

[0:59:18] Voice 5: okay, there's an engagement record, it's good enough.

[0:59:21] Voice 5: But I'll give you one for instance.

[0:59:22] Voice 5: It was slightly before my time, and I know this is Trust Council business, but South

[0:59:31] Voice 5: Pender LTC last term had advanced an OCP sort of preamble that was acknowledging a place

[0:59:38] Voice 5: and territory in which they operate.

[0:59:40] Voice 5: The engagement period for that closed without any First Nations giving comment, but the

[0:59:49] Voice 5: The Wasaytnech Elders Council gave comment afterwards,

[0:59:54] Voice 5: and yet, because we were post-public hearing,

[0:59:58] Voice 5: we could no longer receive.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: those comments and they weren't included in the public record and then what came back from the

[1:00:04] Voice 5: ministry was you haven't done sufficient engagement first nations so we we are thanks to your motion

[1:00:12] Voice 5: as a galliano trustee looking at our referral processes in the planning space to okay how is

[1:00:19] Voice 5: it now 90 days what is a clear record of of good engagement look like what does the province want

[1:00:25] want

[1:00:25] Voice 5: to see. But what I see is the opportunity is we could provide that to the provinces saying,

[1:00:32] Voice 5: here's what's working. And here's the steps that we're taking, Conservancy and in the planning

[1:00:37] Voice 5: department. And it's resulting in good relationships. It's resulting in early consultation

[1:00:44] Voice 5: in which they feel on board with our plans before they become plans or implemented, sorry.

[1:00:52] Voice 5: sorry um and that could lead to more funding we have to have a record of what's working

[1:01:00] Voice 5: and the money the way that we've used this grant funding to then set the stage for okay what does

[1:01:06] Voice 5: the next phase look like and really what does the province need to see in terms of consultation so

[1:01:13] Voice 5: i think that's the what i'm feeling and maybe you've got you're the one who's stuck in the

[1:01:21] Voice 5: middle of all of this, Dr. Breeder. But is a goal of a good engagement record and providing

[1:01:32] Voice 5: really strong reporting on what's working, would that be something that the Conservancy and

[1:01:38] Voice 5: Trust Council could work together on?

[1:01:43] Voice 8: Well, certainly, a lot packed in that question.

[1:01:46] Voice 1: Yes.

[1:01:47] Voice 8: Certainly, we have direction from Trust Council to look at improving the referral

[1:01:53] Voice 8: process in consultation with First Nations that has been undertaken in a slightly unsteady way,

[1:01:58] Voice 8: I guess, in my opinion. I think we could do it more deliberately. So we can talk about that.

[1:02:03] Voice 8: As far as what the ministry looks for in an engagement record, it really is they're looking

[1:02:08] Voice 8: to see that we have engaged with all the nations that show up in the consultative area database

[1:02:12] Voice 8: and have

[1:02:13] Voice 8: not just sent a letter, but we've attempted to phone them and make sure that they

[1:02:16] Voice 8: they know that they have a referral.

[1:02:19] Voice 8: Beyond how the ministry adjudicates that,

[1:02:22] Voice 8: that's a bit of a black box to us,

[1:02:24] Voice 8: and we won't ever know, really,

[1:02:26] Voice 8: because it's part of the cabinet sort of privilege

[1:02:27] Voice 8: around what sort of advice the minister gets

[1:02:30] Voice 8: around what's an acceptable standard.

[1:02:33] Voice 8: But certainly it's our intention as we go forward

[1:02:36] Voice 8: is to build good relationships staff to staff

[1:02:39] Voice 8: and have good, thoughtful conversations

[1:02:41] Voice 8: around what the referral means,

[1:02:43] Voice 8: how the decision was arrived at,

[1:02:44] Voice 8: what the implications are,

[1:02:46] Voice 8: so they can make a really informed

[1:02:47] Voice 3: referral

[1:02:48] Voice 8: response is the hope but that's being achieved

[1:02:51] Voice 8: at different you know with 26 nations some nations were further ahead in that relationship building

[1:02:55] Voice 8: process and others were not um but certainly i think an area of focus that is coming for this

[1:03:00] Voice 8: organization is to really improve that does that help i'll look to joe see if there's more to add

[1:03:04] Voice 8: there no

[1:03:05] Voice 2: i think he covered and i think that one of the challenges and even for my role as an

[1:03:09] Voice 2: advisor i don't know what everything's happening in regards to the great work and success so

[1:03:15] Voice 2: So, you know, the one, you know, one thing, you know, how I look at it, I came from a big project.

[1:03:20] Voice 2: And so in that project, there was a vast number of people working on a large project.

[1:03:26] Voice 2: And communication had to come in, and Indigenous engagement and rights-based approach was part of that project

[1:03:32] Voice 2: because there's many different design and many different levels.

[1:03:36] Voice 2: And I don't know, maybe what we're missing from the organization is some kind of communication

[1:03:39] Voice 2: for all the departments to know the great work

[1:03:43] Voice 2: that planners are doing and having that conversation.

[1:03:47] Voice 2: So Claire Frader, our director, would know what's happening.

[1:03:53] Voice 2: Our CEO would know what's happening.

[1:03:55] Voice 2: They could speak to it.

[1:03:56] Voice 2: So we need to develop mechanisms

[1:03:57] Voice 2: so we can bring everybody together.

[1:04:00] Voice 2: Everybody's going to be sharing what's happening at that table.

[1:04:02] Voice 2: And so we can communicate that information out.

[1:04:05] Voice 2: And I see that as one of the challenges.

[1:04:07] Voice 4: Yeah, for sure.

[1:04:12] Voice 4: this is just because we're looking at possible agenda items for these joint meetings

[1:04:16] Voice 4: and not for this first meeting but for a next meeting I think we really do need to talk about

[1:04:23] Voice 4: the different tools we have with protected areas and how that meshes with the vision of the trust

[1:04:31] Voice 4: council and ITC and what the tools are out there and I

[1:04:36] Voice 4: will say that at the workshop that Laura and

[1:04:39] Voice 4: and I went to the keynote, was by Adam Olson,

[1:04:44] Voice 4: and he did highlight that IPCAs, Indigenous Protected and Conserved Areas,

[1:04:49] Voice 4: co-management, tribal parks, all these different tools

[1:04:55] Voice 4: are all compatible with First Nations thinking, in his opinion.

[1:05:01] Voice 11: And

[1:05:01] Voice 4: I think we have something to leverage on,

[1:05:04] Voice 4: and I don't think we've talked about it just in the periphery.

[1:05:10] Voice 4: ITC but we haven't really got into this in a deep way on how it could help us with engagement

[1:05:16] Voice 4: and how we could actually start doing things related to that and you know obviously there's

[1:05:25] Voice 4: always this problem with staff capacity but I think it would be something for us to jointly

[1:05:31] Voice 4: talk about and really look at our tools and you know we all have different experiences and know

[1:05:36] Voice 4: how those different tools are working and then so that's one agenda item i i think it'll be a

[1:05:42] Voice 4: whole agenda item because we have to think about how that meshes with trust council thinking and

[1:05:48] Voice 4: actually what our actual thinking is on the itc as well and then just also on this um

[1:05:56] Voice 4: a thing about first nations engagement um i think we really have to learn a bit it would be a good

[1:06:03] Voice 4: PR move as well as useful for us to look at some of the engagement that the province has done

[1:06:11] Voice 4: in other areas like i

[1:06:13] Voice 4: did participate for itc in their coastal strategy engagement and it was

[1:06:20] Voice 4: amazing i mean they everything was co-written and it was hard very hard which

[1:06:26] Voice 5: coastal strategy well

[1:06:27] Voice 4: the the province has for the first time ever developed a coastal oh this is the rain the

[1:06:32] Voice 4: The whole coastal strategy.

[1:06:33] Voice 4: They have a coastal strategy.

[1:06:35] Voice 4: Great Bear, Little Forest.

[1:06:36] Voice 4: No, no.

[1:06:37] Voice 4: This is the province.

[1:06:38] Voice 4: The province has developed a coastal.

[1:06:40] Voice 4: And believe it or not, we never had a coastal strategy.

[1:06:44] Voice 1: So

[1:06:44] Voice 4: all the material and everything was co-written.

[1:06:48] Voice 4: And they have a lot of lessons to learn.

[1:06:50] Voice 4: Like really good people were involved in that.

[1:06:52] Voice 4: And it took them way longer.

[1:06:56] Voice 4: And that's perhaps a good thing.

[1:06:58] Voice 4: because when you co-write things you're going to have to work out different visions and so

[1:07:04] Voice 4: i think if we're going to do a um like we're going to talk about lessons learned which i agree with

[1:07:10] Voice 4: and i'm not sure

[1:07:11] Voice 4: which meeting would be at would be really good to bring in some of the efforts

[1:07:15] Voice 4: that the province has done that affect us but aren't only about us um to see if they've learned

[1:07:22] Voice 4: lessons because that that coastal workshop they weren't sure they could ever do it again

[1:07:27] Voice 4: because it was like the budget for it was massive although the result was terrific

[1:07:33] Voice 4: so you know and everybody was enriched by it so anyways i would like to add that bringing in

[1:07:39] Voice 4: and also i think the province would like to see that we are leveraging off yeah it's not just us

[1:07:44] Voice 4: thinking internally but also looking at what others are doing and that we are trying to leverage

[1:07:49] Voice 4: off of them so that would be

[1:07:51] Voice 4: something i'd like to add yeah

[1:07:54] Voice 13: um i'd like to add some comments in

[1:07:57] Voice 13: regards to referrals i think it's important to try to understand what provincial requirements

[1:08:03] Voice 13: are in terms of you know satisfying there's a difference between consultation and engagement

[1:08:08] Voice 13: consultation is more you know ensuring that they've heard something that you're expressing

[1:08:14] Voice 13: or questioning or trying to bring them across and they're actually providing feedback engagement can

[1:08:19] Voice 13: just be a letter sent to them and said they've received it and moved on i don't

[1:08:23] Voice 13: think we would

[1:08:23] Voice 13: like to do that um i think what we need to do is also you know as we build our relationships with

[1:08:31] Voice 13: the first nations that live within the intc area is like how they want to be engaged um you know

[1:08:37] Voice 13: referrals processes have like a 30-day requirement and i think you know we can find whatever

[1:08:43] Voice 13: threshold that is and be flexible and allow time for nations to adequately respond a lot of nations

[1:08:50] Voice 13: receive multiple referrals a month and it's overwhelming and there's capacity constraints

[1:08:55] Voice 13: with that too just as much as you know we're aware of you know capacity and being overwhelmed

[1:09:01] Voice 13: but I think as we develop relationships and improve relationships with the nations is

[1:09:06] Voice 13: asking them how they would like to be engaged I think is an important piece because then that

[1:09:12] Voice 13: will really inform how we can get meaningful engagement with them and it's based in reciprocity

[1:09:17] Voice 13: rather than just kind of this is what's happening

[1:09:21] Voice 13: and more top-down.

[1:09:24] Voice 13: And I

[1:09:25] Voice 13: think that's a piece that's missing as well

[1:09:27] Voice 13: as much as the province requirement is important.

[1:09:30] Voice 13: I think the direction of how the nation wants to be engaged

[1:09:36] Voice 13: because again, there's unceded traditional territories

[1:09:40] Voice 13: of what makes up the beautiful protected areas

[1:09:42] Voice 13: that we want to protect and acknowledging those peoples

[1:09:45] Voice 13: and how we want to develop that relationship is important.

[1:09:49] Voice 13: And I think that will inform the referral process more.

[1:09:52] Voice 13: And I think if we're a little bit more flex,

[1:09:55] Voice 13: I mean, it's hard with constraints

[1:09:56] Voice 13: and you're contacting 24 nations

[1:09:58] Voice 13: and they might not be getting back to you

[1:10:01] Voice 13: and I don't want to waste time,

[1:10:02] Voice 13: but I think we just need to figure out

[1:10:05] Voice 13: how we navigate that.

[1:10:06] Voice 13: And I think maybe asking them

[1:10:07] Voice 13: how they would like to be engaged might be a good step.

[1:10:11] Voice 13: If that's reasonable, I just thought I would share that.

[1:10:14] Voice 13: that.

[1:10:15] Voice 5: So a couple points on responding to that point. What I understand is we're still developing

[1:10:21] Voice 5: our core concerns database. And what I understand has been helpful is to tailor engagement on

[1:10:33] Voice 5: specific core concerns that the nation is interested in.

[1:10:36] Voice 1: So for instance,

[1:10:37] Voice 5: we have a conversation

[1:10:38] Voice 5: and um i remember that early working group i won't say who with whom but um they wanted to know

[1:10:46] Voice 5: what were all the properties that the conservancy had and when but when we got into what is your

[1:10:54] Voice 5: your interests and there's this future generations building up their youth and possibly getting youth

[1:11:02] Voice 5: out of the land it wasn't so much acquiring or managing land they were just not interested in

[1:11:07] Voice 5: that right understanding that then the conservancy can then go well how can we work with you to

[1:11:13] Voice 5: develop a program to get youth out on the land so the two pieces have to work together we need to

[1:11:19] Voice 5: communicate what we can do and what our legislative boundaries are because if we promise too much

[1:11:26] Voice 5: and then or in in terms of um our capacity like what we're able to accomplish and then then we're

[1:11:37] Voice 5: going to disappoint and that's not great for relationship building either but the other side

[1:11:41] Voice 5: of it is is not throwing everything at you know all 26 nations to say we can work on all of these

[1:11:49] Voice 5: things it's understanding and hearing those core interests and concerns and then developing the

[1:11:55] Voice 5: lines of communications on that so that your your referrals are focused and so I think staff is

[1:12:01] Voice 5: already doing that work

[1:12:02] Voice 18: okay um

[1:12:03] Voice 5: i do know that the the database that we're developing is still

[1:12:07] Voice 5: the works and i don't want to speak to you but on risa's point about how can we bring in leverage

[1:12:15] Voice 5: uh all the other options potentially for ipcas i'm recalling the um the uh the forum on galliano

[1:12:25] Voice 3: and

[1:12:25] Voice 5: when they the the last presentation was on the indigenous protected and conserved areas that's

[1:12:30] Voice 5: being developed in the mary

[1:12:31] Voice 5: hill transfer of land from dfo to signal i don't know the nation

[1:12:37] Voice 5: i can't pronounce it properly i'm sorry but the habitat

[1:12:41] Voice 5: acquisition trust um is working on policy

[1:12:45] Voice 5: options and they may be able to help us so i think that would be an avenue to explore

[1:12:51] Voice 5: because they're part of that it's about developing the um

[1:13:00] Voice 5: Yeah, it's about a co-management and consultation process

[1:13:03] Voice 5: enduring Indigenous consent and significant influence

[1:13:07] Voice 5: over crown decisions.

[1:13:08] Voice 5: But I remember that being mentioned,

[1:13:10] Voice 5: that Habitat Acquisition Trust.

[1:13:12] Voice 5: And the other one, of course, is Eli Enns

[1:13:16] Voice 5: and the, what were I just saying, Isak Olam.

[1:13:21] Voice 5: I really do think it would be advantageous

[1:13:23] Voice 5: to get a speaker, whether it's Eli or somebody else, who can speak about Indigenous-led protected

[1:13:31] Voice 5: and conserved areas, have that in front of executive committee and our Islands Trust

[1:13:36] Voice 5: Conservancy Board so that we can start to understand what are the different potential,

[1:13:42] Voice 5: just like Adam also explained, there's, you know, there's outright transfer of ownership,

[1:13:47] Voice 5: there's co-management, there's a dozen different ways that we can develop

[1:13:51] Voice 5: of land use practices that are much more collaborative.

[1:13:57] Voice 11: So

[1:13:58] Voice 5: can we get somebody for July?

[1:13:59] Voice 5: Right?

[1:14:00] Voice 18: Sounds great.

[1:14:01] Voice 18: I'm sold.

[1:14:03] Voice 18: That's that holistic thing you're talking about.

[1:14:05] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:14:06] Voice 18: That'd be great.

[1:14:07] Voice 18: I want everybody on

[1:14:08] Voice 15: to the table.

[1:14:08] Voice 18: Great.

[1:14:09] Voice 15: Susan Yates.

[1:14:10] Voice 15: Thank you, Jen.

[1:14:11] Voice 15: Go broke.

[1:14:12] Voice 15: Yeah, I think I'm just kind of following up

[1:14:14] Voice 15: on what Trustee Elliott just said.

[1:14:16] Voice 15: So about two years ago, a little over two years ago,

[1:14:19] Voice 15: I attended a webinar and panel discussion that was sponsored by the Conservation Through Reconciliation Partnership.

[1:14:27] Voice 12: It

[1:14:28] Voice 15: was such a good session.

[1:14:30] Voice 15: And I know Wendy was there and Lisa Wilcox was there, probably other staff members as well.

[1:14:37] Voice 15: It was actually co-sponsored with the Conservation Through Reconciliation Partnership and the Sustainability Network.

[1:14:44] Voice 15: We get notices from the Sustainability Network on our updates to say,

[1:14:52] Voice 15: do you want to join this? Are you interested in this?

[1:14:55] Voice 15: I have not seen one from the Conservation through Reconciliation Partnership

[1:15:01] Voice 15: for a couple of years, but I know that if I saw one,

[1:15:05] Voice 15: I would just immediately register to attend.

[1:15:07] Voice 15: There were over 100 participants across Canada attending.

[1:15:12] Voice 15: It was just an amazing workshop that completely opened my mind as to how First Nations, not just in BC, but right across Canada, could be engaged in conservation initiatives.

[1:15:28] Voice 15: So I just wonder, have we ever reached out to them to do any work with Islands Trust?

[1:15:37] Voice 15: I wouldn't know but just remember how amazing this webinar was and and um the I think all of the

[1:15:48] Voice 15: people speaking were well they were all first nations um they represented various territories

[1:15:54] Voice 15: across Canada and they were all women and some of them were from BC and it just was like wow

[1:16:02] Voice 15: wow, here's how all this stuff can be done.

[1:16:05] Voice 15: And that's so good.

[1:16:07] Voice 15: So I don't know if it's worth reaching out to them,

[1:16:10] Voice 15: but we certainly have British Columbia representatives.

[1:16:16] Voice 15: Sure, Patrick.

[1:16:18] Voice 17: For a possible joint topic,

[1:16:20] Voice 17: it would be good to hear more about the conservation fund

[1:16:24] Voice 17: that is being considered to bring into the CRD

[1:16:28] Voice 17: because I think that's a topic of,

[1:16:29] Voice 17: hmm, if it is the CRD,

[1:16:31] Voice 17: how would you we want to position ourselves differently for the islands or is there an

[1:16:37] Voice 17: opportunity to think of a conservation fund differently it'll just be the capital regional

[1:16:42] Voice 17: district maybe it's the trust area so i think there'd be some learnings there that we should

[1:16:46] Voice 17: both hear at the same time but um and then the other is whether it's like brody guy or someone

[1:16:55] Voice 17: coming to speak to us about indicators because i'm hoping when we get around to the trust policy

[1:17:00] Voice 17: statement and implementation plan that we get back to the indicator conversation and I think

[1:17:06] Voice 17: participating in joint you know indication indicators and what they mean and how they

[1:17:12] Voice 17: can be used and what

[1:17:13] Voice 5: do they mean and

[1:17:14] Voice 17: how can they be used well it's monitoring it's measuring

[1:17:17] Voice 17: and monitoring and reporting okay on progress um and um I know Brody Guy did a whole paper on

[1:17:26] Voice 17: they do well-being, so it's a whole circle of indicators

[1:17:33] Voice 17: and the relationship between them

[1:17:36] Voice 17: and how they help you move forward with conservation.

[1:17:44] Voice 8: The one thing I'll just mention, as I've heard the ideas

[1:17:47] Voice 8: of bringing in people from outside of this territorial area,

[1:17:50] Voice 8: is the Conservancy Board is about to go deliberately

[1:17:52] Voice 8: to every nation in this area to talk about what is important to them

[1:17:57] Voice 8: as it relates to protected areas right so through

[1:17:59] Voice 8: your conservancy plan you are about to initiate

[1:18:02] Voice 8: conversations with every nation around how they wish the land to be acquired in the future what

[1:18:07] Voice 8: role they want in that acquisition how they want the land managed and their interest in disposition

[1:18:11] Voice 8: or co-management so you're about to get over the next year and a bit direct information from all

[1:18:17] Voice 8: 26 nations that you partner with so that is coming in around you know in the scope of the conservancy

[1:18:22] Voice 8: a relatively short time frame over the next year and a half you're about to hear from hopefully

[1:18:26] Voice 8: every nation about what their interests and hopes and desires are um as it relates to the lands you

[1:18:31] Voice 8: manage and your consideration of taking on new ones so just wanted to share that with you

[1:18:38] Voice 4: just keep my eye on the time there

[1:18:42] Voice 4: i want you to get a summary of the topics because we've just listed topics

[1:18:47] Voice 4: i have my own summary but orland probably has a better view yeah

[1:18:51] Voice 18: have a little bit of a summary?

[1:18:54] Voice 18: I sort of. I have a lot

[1:18:55] Voice 18: of notes.

[1:18:56] Voice 18: I have a lot of notes as well.

[1:18:59] Voice 18: My budget. I'm always wanting to talk about the budget.

[1:19:02] Voice 8: I can read all the ones I've taken notes on.

[1:19:05] Voice 8: It might not be a comprehensive, Ms. Corlan.

[1:19:07] Voice 3: I've

[1:19:07] Voice 8: got potential ideas

[1:19:09] Voice 8: for discussion. Eyeless Trust reputation,

[1:19:11] Voice 8: gathering stories we want to tell and finding a way

[1:19:13] Voice 8: to tell them. First Nation relations,

[1:19:15] Voice 8: how engagement happens, what funding is

[1:19:17] Voice 8: there to do the work.

[1:19:19] Voice 8: Talking about what

[1:19:21] Voice 8: what topic the Islands Trust Conservancy could include

[1:19:23] Voice 8: in its presentation to June Trust Council,

[1:19:26] Voice 8: the conservation fund being brought into the Capital Regional District,

[1:19:29] Voice 8: and tools for protecting areas and how it might fit with Islands Trust's vision

[1:19:33] Voice 8: around co-management at UCA's tribal parks

[1:19:36] Voice 8: and different considerations of speakers.

[1:19:39] Voice 8: Those are kind of the broad topics I caught.

[1:19:42] Voice 8: And I will mention that earlier we had talked,

[1:19:44] Voice 8: potentially you could talk about GIS mapping.

[1:19:47] Voice 8: That didn't come up in your conversation.

[1:19:49] Voice 8: Did I miss anything there?

[1:19:51] Voice 18: And give them an update on the GI slapping, it'll be...

[1:19:57] Voice 6: I can also add that what Jo was speaking to,

[1:20:01] Voice 6: increasing communications between departments,

[1:20:05] Voice 6: that we have a cohesive way to,

[1:20:12] Voice 6: because building with Indigenous relationships

[1:20:15] Voice 6: are start on the ground, one-on-one,

[1:20:17] Voice 6: and often that is where the trust is built.

[1:20:20] Voice 6: So, it is important to have, sometimes, single parent individuals, but this communication

[1:20:28] Voice 6: organization-wide, that would be a good discussion.

[1:20:35] Voice 8: I'll just note, related to that, hearing Toby's comments, or Board Member Elliott's comments,

[1:20:42] Voice 8: around some council members have expressed they don't know what's happening, and of course,

[1:20:46] Voice 8: different directors are reporting to council through their director's report, so each team

[1:20:49] Voice 8: is reporting up in a

[1:20:51] Voice 8: siloed fashion so it may be as part of if we have a better internal sharing

[1:20:55] Voice 8: of information maybe we have a standalone report to council or to this board might be a way to to

[1:21:00] Voice 8: better daylight the information

[1:21:01] Voice 8: because i think it is being provided it's just not being provided

[1:21:04] Voice 8: in a one-stop shop kind of format so that might be something we want to look at as well

[1:21:09] Voice 5: so it

[1:21:10] Voice 5: that has come up at council and thank you for reminding me um because what i remember one

[1:21:16] Voice 5: one trustee saying it would be so helpful to have a dashboard type um tool where you could understand

[1:21:23] Voice 5: that things are happening maybe not the specifics of the conversations you know a lot of this is

[1:21:29] Voice 5: fluid but if there was a reporting mechanism that people could check in

[1:21:33] Voice 7: on um

[1:21:34] Voice 5: you know IPCA is being

[1:21:36] Voice 5: explored in this area at the request of this nation that's a that's it just would settle so

[1:21:42] Voice 5: so much of the angst.

[1:21:45] Voice 5: So two things, what I believe would be great

[1:21:49] Voice 5: is in our two short one hour meetings,

[1:21:53] Voice 5: what if we had a GIS mapping update conversation

[1:22:00] Voice 5: in one of those meetings?

[1:22:01] Voice 5: So say that April 23rd or the July or the October 29th,

[1:22:05] Voice 5: and then an interdepartmental communication

[1:22:07] Voice 5: sort of conversation for the other one hour joint meeting.

[1:22:14] Voice 5: And then the July 22nd meeting,

[1:22:16] Voice 5: which is a longer one and in person,

[1:22:20] Voice 5: could we work on having somebody who could talk about

[1:22:26] Voice 5: the progress of developing Indigenous protected area?

[1:22:29] Voice 5: And I'd love to, so the Maryhill one

[1:22:32] Voice 5: one is what Habitat Acquisition Trust has been developing.

[1:22:40] Voice 5: So it's a tribal park that will be an IPCA in,

[1:22:44] Voice 5: sorry, just let me get the name right.

[1:22:50] Voice 5: Chiana, Chiana, Chiana, Chiana, Chiana, Chiana, thank you.

[1:22:54] Voice 5: So the Michoacan area.

[1:22:57] Voice 5: And so that, could we get Kevin Smith,

[1:23:00] Voice 5: somebody from Habitat Acquisition Trust and if they've been developing policy on this

[1:23:05] Voice 5: that would be would that be helpful for us I don't know there's something here if

[1:23:11] Voice 11: we can't get

[1:23:13] Voice 5: LENs or somebody who's at the you know at the real forefront of all of that I mean that would

[1:23:18] Voice 5: be sort of a big goal for me but they already said they're developing policy and they're working

[1:23:26] Voice 5: on a specific I mean it's a former DFO lands so those are

[1:23:30] Voice 5: federal lands that

[1:23:31] Voice 5: have been protected because they haven't been used and they've been working on

[1:23:34] Voice 5: for a long time but it'd be really great to have a real model or a real project

[1:23:40] Voice 5: that's in process right now and they might be easier to get the NLE ends for

[1:23:47] Voice 5: for the July meeting.

[1:23:48] Voice 5: For a July meeting.

[1:23:49] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:23:50] Voice 5: What does everyone think about that?

[1:23:51] Voice 3: It's hard to

[1:23:51] Voice 5: admit

[1:23:52] Voice 15: to that right now.

[1:23:54] Voice 15: I love that idea.

[1:23:56] Voice 15: But I attended another session a year ago

[1:24:00] Voice 15: on Hornby during Herring Fest.

[1:24:03] Voice 11: And

[1:24:03] Voice 15: part of Herring Fest on Hornby

[1:24:05] Voice 15: is to have indigenous leaders and speakers.

[1:24:09] Voice 15: And the one that just totally fascinated me

[1:24:12] Voice 15: was specifically on an Indigenous protected area.

[1:24:17] Voice 15: I think it was just south of Powell River.

[1:24:21] Voice 15: And it was that those First Nations people

[1:24:27] Voice 15: had protected a small bay for the herring to come in and spawn.

[1:24:32] Voice 15: And fishers were coming towards the bay

[1:24:37] Voice 15: to do their usual herring fishery thing

[1:24:40] Voice 15: that is totally okay by DFO.

[1:24:42] Voice 15: and the first nations people in that small bay area who lived there said no you're not coming

[1:24:51] Voice 15: in here this is where the herring have to have a place to lay their eggs and spawn and it was like

[1:24:58] Voice 15: wow and and it became an indigenous protected because they were just called ipas at that

[1:25:06] Voice 15: meeting so indigenous protected area and i can't remember the name of the first nation group but

[1:25:11] Voice 15: But the presentation they did at the Hornby Herring Fest was so inspiring.

[1:25:18] Voice 15: So whoever that group was, and certainly Grant, our trustee Scott from Hornby,

[1:25:24] Voice 15: he would certainly know who that person was who gave that presentation.

[1:25:27] Voice 15: But they were from that Laman area.

[1:25:30] Voice 15: They've just sold.

[1:25:32] Voice 11: And

[1:25:32] Voice 15: I was like, wow, this is how you do it.

[1:25:35] Voice 15: And I was like, so inspired by that.

[1:25:38] Voice 15: so if we could that might be someone easy to get to i don't know yeah but as i remember he's quite

[1:25:44] Voice 15: inspired by it as well yeah grant was

[1:25:46] Voice 15: too i know but i just came away from that saying well that's

[1:25:49] Voice 15: how how we do it right just

[1:25:50] Voice 15: let them do it

[1:25:51] Voice 18: the toilet here i think we should get the rest of the

[1:25:53] Voice 18: agenda before lunch uh that was a great discussion does staff have everything they need for direction

[1:25:58] Voice 18: this ec is going to set the agenda for this meeting correct i

[1:26:03] Voice 8: think it's like we have a

[1:26:08] Voice 8: Okay, yeah, so EC will be deciding the next

[1:26:10] Voice 8: topic. So yes, we can take this away, and Chair Patrick has heard

[1:26:14] Voice 8: the conversation, and we can advise the Executive Committee

[1:26:18] Voice 8: in their meeting next week.

[1:26:20] Voice 18: Great. Awesome.

[1:26:21] Voice 18: All right, unless we run. Do you want to stay for the rest of the meeting,

[1:26:26] Voice 18: Chair Patrick? You're more than welcome to. I'm going to hold on to the table

[1:26:30] Voice 18: and I'll listen. Give you the opportunity.

[1:26:35] Voice 18: Great. Thank you.

[1:26:38] Voice 18: all right moving on to the correspondence item uh 3.7

[1:26:43] Voice 18: um all right first one is that seven point three point one um letter to minister

[1:26:56] Voice 18: mostly for information it's a letter from chair luckham to the province requesting a meeting

[1:27:05] Voice 18: um is there any merit to the ipc asking to join in on that meeting

[1:27:12] Voice 8: It's at the board's discretion, but I think it's more to...

[1:27:15] Voice 18: Any thoughts around that, Lauren?

[1:27:17] Voice 15: Do I suggest we...

[1:27:18] Voice 15: Well, thoughts are that I'm sure if this meeting happens

[1:27:25] Voice 15: that we will be represented by the chair of council.

[1:27:30] Voice 15: And one of the things that we know

[1:27:33] Voice 15: that we may be able to get funding from the province for

[1:27:36] Voice 15: is for our engagement and with first nations and you know that the conservancy particularly

[1:27:47] Voice 15: we really want to be working with first nations you know as much as council does and so hopefully

[1:27:54] Voice 15: our desire to do that will be represented by whoever meets with if they are able to meet with

[1:28:01] Voice 15: ministry staff because that's where we really need funding from the province

[1:28:07] Voice 11: so i don't

[1:28:09] Voice 15: i mean i'm sure we'll be represented whoever gets to meet and i'll be there

[1:28:15] Voice 5: yes i'll

[1:28:16] Voice 5: represent the conservancy and we have any messages right please i absolutely

[1:28:22] Voice 5: have faith that we will be represented awesome

[1:28:25] Voice 18: great thank you uh moving on to items uh 7.3.2

[1:28:30] Voice 18: IPC board

[1:28:31] Voice 18: response to Stuart

[1:28:33] Voice 18: Brands, who's the one that just read the letter over.

[1:28:36] Voice 18: Any comments there?

[1:28:40] Voice 4: I did have one comment.

[1:28:42] Voice 4: It's actually

[1:28:43] Voice 4: got to do with this wider

[1:28:45] Voice 4: discussion we had about

[1:28:47] Voice 4: communication and

[1:28:49] Voice 4: getting people on board with the trust

[1:28:51] Voice 4: as opposed to being against it.

[1:28:53] Voice 4: In this letter,

[1:28:55] Voice 4: we do highlight

[1:28:57] Voice 4: our

[1:28:58] Voice 4: our current capacity problems and while i think that's true there's no doubt it's true

[1:29:08] Voice 4: um i would just caution us not as i'm fine with this particular letter but in general

[1:29:14] Voice 4: by highlighting that because everybody has capacity problems not just in government like

[1:29:24] Voice 4: Like, everybody has capacity problems.

[1:29:26] Voice 4: And so I think it's like you get a bit of an eye roll

[1:29:29] Voice 4: when people hear about the Islands Trust complaining about that

[1:29:33] Voice 4: or the Islands Trust Conservancy, even though it's true.

[1:29:37] Voice 4: Like, it doesn't matter that it's true.

[1:29:38] Voice 4: I think of all the many things we can communicate out

[1:29:42] Voice 4: about who we are and trying to be positive,

[1:29:47] Voice 4: I think we should talk about that internally in terms of the workload,

[1:29:50] Voice 4: but I don't think we should talk about it externally.

[1:29:53] Voice 4: So I just want to raise that, not so much with this specific letter, but with future communications going out.

[1:30:00] Voice 4: because I

[1:30:00] Voice 4: do see a lot of eye rolls with that

[1:30:04] Voice 4: and who doesn't have that problem.

[1:30:08] Voice 18: All right, thank you.

[1:30:09] Voice 18: Any other comments?

[1:30:12] Voice 18: I really liked the last paragraph.

[1:30:14] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:30:18] Voice 18: Awesome, all right, moving on.

[1:30:20] Voice 18: We're on to item 7.1.4, 7.4.1, sorry.

[1:30:27] Voice 18: Updates for information, almost there.

[1:30:31] Voice 18: There's one, no comments, great, 7.4.2,

[1:30:47] Voice 16: public

[1:30:49] Voice 18: comment, yeah, for this report, anything there

[1:30:52] Voice 18: for us, any questions, anyone, pretty straightforward, great, all right, moving on to 7.4.3, ITC

[1:31:02] Voice 18: trust counsel, budget request, briefing, any questions there, any updates,

[1:31:08] Voice 3: our

[1:31:09] Voice 18: budget was

[1:31:10] Voice 18: was approved. All right, I'll move on. 7.4.4, Executive Committee Update.

[1:31:20] Voice 18: I

[1:31:21] Voice 5: know, sorry, I got on the spot. Okay, so Trust Council met in the NIMO just last week for a

[1:31:31] Voice 5: three-day council meeting. This was focused, of course, on the budget. We had a really great

[1:31:39] Voice 5: Great discussion. There was a motion from the floor to attempt to reduce the budget wholesale to align with just the increase in CPI, the Consumer Price Index.

[1:31:54] Voice 5: index. So I think the anticipated tax levy would have been, to remind me again, 5.2.

[1:32:04] Voice 5: And the desire was to bring it down to 2.6 or something, which was the CPI index. So

[1:32:11] Voice 5: somebody had proposed a raft of reductions, and that motion did not pass. However, if

[1:32:18] Voice 5: If they had been done one by one, we probably would have seen some reductions to the conservancy budget.

[1:32:27] Voice 5: One of the ones on the list was in-person meetings.

[1:32:32] Voice 5: So I do want to bring to this body just the, there is a real concern from Trust Council to reduce the tax burden on taxpayers.

[1:32:45] Voice 5: And that we know costs keep going up and up and up.

[1:32:49] Voice 5: And so they're always looking, I would say we,

[1:32:54] Voice 5: I sit on financial planning committee as well,

[1:32:56] Voice 5: trustee Yates as well, and we have different views on this.

[1:33:00] Voice 5: The first thing that kind of looks gets looked to cut

[1:33:03] Voice 5: is in-person meetings.

[1:33:04] Voice 5: What is their value?

[1:33:05] Voice 5: Can we not just meet on Zoom?

[1:33:07] Voice 5: So that did not pass, but just be aware

[1:33:11] Voice 5: that we are moving into very fiscally conservative times.

[1:33:16] Voice 5: There is going to be immense pressure on provincial and federal budgets.

[1:33:22] Voice 5: You know, arts funding is getting, heritage funding is going to be challenging.

[1:33:29] Voice 5: And so anything that we can do to really focus and prioritize the work,

[1:33:35] Voice 5: perhaps rather than in-person meetings or things that are less integral,

[1:33:42] Voice 5: integral, I think would resonate well, because we're going to keep seeing requests to cut the

[1:33:48] Voice 5: budget every single time. So that didn't pass. And in fact, there was additional budget was added

[1:33:58] Voice 5: back in to have four in-person and trust council meetings. Trustee Yates is still a very strong

[1:34:04] Voice 5: advocate for that. But the pressure is not going to go away. So we really just need to be sensitive

[1:34:11] Voice 5: to that but this was um yeah the very beginning of the meeting we had a an election for chair

[1:34:16] Voice 5: two people three people sorry yep peterson as well stood for election and um trustee patrick was uh

[1:34:26] Voice 5: um uh elected as chair so we have another 20 months of a new chair and some new energy

[1:34:33] Voice 5: and i'm looking forward to that um uh as a member of executive committee

[1:34:44] Voice 3: Yes,

[1:34:46] Voice 5: so Chair Patrick was stepping, well, she might still be on, she's ex-officio to

[1:34:51] Voice 5: the Governance Committee, so we had an election for a new member of Governance Committee, and, oh yeah, the other significant change, so the Trust Policy Statement.

[1:35:06] Voice 5: so this is a long-standing project those of you are not intimately connected with our

[1:35:14] Voice 5: convolutions with the policy statement um december trust council we decided to increase the number of

[1:35:22] Voice 5: committee the whole meeting so that we could debate this or discuss it um more frequently

[1:35:27] Voice 5: but what's happening is committee the whole requires a quorum of 13 trustees and we were

[1:35:34] Voice 5: not getting 13 trustees so essentially the meetings were not happening so that wasn't

[1:35:39] Voice 5: working so there was a motion to change the process and bring the policy statement project

[1:35:46] Voice 5: back into the work program of programs committee which is a smaller group but expand the membership

[1:35:52] Voice 5: of that group hopefully get quorum so we can move that forward so this has

[1:35:57] Voice 5: been a it's been very

[1:35:58] Voice 5: challenging to try to figure out how to get this we just need to get the draft done and out to

[1:36:05] Voice 5: communities out to the conservancy out to all the other agencies so that they can give comment on it

[1:36:10] Voice 5: and what's been happening is trustees are digging down and wordsmithing and really um well we need

[1:36:18] Voice 5: them to own the document but it's it's getting to that fine line where we need to get to first

[1:36:24] Voice 5: reading by june if this project will be finished by the end of term uh i guess that's all i can

[1:36:31] Voice 5: report is there anything major

[1:36:32] Voice 15: um two things so just to add to the trust policy statement

[1:36:36] Voice 15: so it looks as though that that is what we're going to do

[1:36:40] Voice 11: um

[1:36:41] Voice 15: and so i got a note from chair

[1:36:43] Voice 15: patrick just a couple of days ago because people have volunteered their names at council to be on

[1:36:50] Voice 15: on the temporarily or as long as need be

[1:36:53] Voice 15: on the Trust Programs Committee to get this work done.

[1:36:56] Voice 15: So we were asked right at council,

[1:36:58] Voice 15: look at your calendars, who's available.

[1:37:00] Voice 15: A number of us put our names down and including myself

[1:37:03] Voice 15: cause I wanted to make sure I was available

[1:37:05] Voice 15: and of course I'm interested.

[1:37:08] Voice 15: So I guess now what it will come down to

[1:37:10] Voice 15: is who might be appointed, who has volunteered

[1:37:15] Voice 15: to who might be appointed to Trust Programs Committee

[1:37:18] Voice 15: committee in order to continue this work. And as Trustee Elliott says, just get it done. So

[1:37:24] Voice 15: get that first reading, get it out to everybody. So I think that's a really good way of going about

[1:37:31] Voice 15: it. I really do. Yeah,

[1:37:34] Voice 18: I agree. I put my name forward as well. Yeah.

[1:37:36] Voice 15: And you know, we, other

[1:37:37] Voice 15: than the one disaster I had when I was on Denman, I didn't have

[1:37:40] Voice 15: any internet connectivity. Normally

[1:37:42] Voice 15: Normally, we can do those online, and they're pretty successful.

[1:37:46] Voice 15: So thank you for bringing that up, Trustee Elliott.

[1:37:50] Voice 1: And the

[1:37:50] Voice 15: other thing I wanted to say was how great our council meeting was

[1:37:54] Voice 15: and how happy I was when Chair Patrick took those reins and ran with it.

[1:38:00] Voice 15: We finished early.

[1:38:02] Voice 15: We finished our council meeting early, and we covered everything.

[1:38:06] Voice 15: It was wonderful.

[1:38:09] Voice 5: Actually, I'll say that just on the note on the agenda, our new CEO, Ruben Roney, I think this is the first agenda that he really helped shape and prepare.

[1:38:20] Voice 5: There's more room in it.

[1:38:21] Voice 5: There was just less business.

[1:38:24] Voice 5: We didn't advance some things from certain committees just to give us that discussion time.

[1:38:29] Voice 5: So what ended up happening is we ended up adding business in and getting some stuff done.

[1:38:33] Voice 5: So it's

[1:38:33] Voice 1: a real learning

[1:38:34] Voice 5: curve, but we've always felt that stress at Trust Council to get through so much work.

[1:38:37] Voice 5: but having a little bit more breathing room having some time for discussion means oh we can now

[1:38:43] Voice 5: add in things if we have time to discuss so that

[1:38:47] Voice 15: was really good and i forgot to say we had a

[1:38:50] Voice 15: session with bc ferries regarding the dissolution of ferry advisory committee so we had one session

[1:38:56] Voice 15: um at the public part of our meeting on wednesday afternoon then we had another session close to

[1:39:01] Voice 15: the public in the evening right after dinner and trustee ellie and i hung in there until the

[1:39:06] Voice 15: we had to run for our ferry at 9 whatever 9 20 and um i think it was a good session but it all

[1:39:14] Voice 15: depends on what the people who were organizing the session with us the three you know communications

[1:39:19] Voice 15: experts whether they're able to really take our message to ferries management and what the response

[1:39:27] Voice 15: will be to our, I think, well-spoken concerns.

[1:39:35] Voice 15: You know, it was great to be in that evening session

[1:39:37] Voice 15: with some very passionate voices on behalf of the fact

[1:39:41] Voice 15: that those ferries are our roads,

[1:39:45] Voice 15: and we are so dependent on them.

[1:39:48] Voice 15: And I was grateful for CAO Brawny to help organize

[1:39:54] Voice 15: recognize those sessions to have them at council. And I have to say that one of the main reasons

[1:40:01] Voice 15: that I really advocate for in-person council meetings, because I know they're expensive,

[1:40:07] Voice 15: and I know they're a huge amount of work for staff, is because we get to have sessions with

[1:40:16] Voice 15: guests. We also get to have those sessions open by First Nations who live in that area,

[1:40:23] Voice 15: in that place, in that territory.

[1:40:25] Voice 15: And for me, that is worth, I don't know,

[1:40:28] Voice 15: I can't put a price on it.

[1:40:30] Voice 15: It just is worth so much to have

[1:40:32] Voice 15: our council meetings

[1:40:33] Voice 15: open by First Nations who live in those areas.

[1:40:37] Voice 15: So I really appreciate that council voted in favor

[1:40:41] Voice 15: of adding that money back into the budget.

[1:40:43] Voice 15: I'm very grateful.

[1:40:46] Voice 15: Yeah, thanks.

[1:40:48] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:40:48] Voice 18: I'll also add that we also had a meeting

[1:40:51] Voice 18: for a reconciliation learning group

[1:40:52] Voice 18: from the Tuesday evening.

[1:40:55] Voice 18: Yeah.

[1:40:55] Voice 18: Oh, yeah.

[1:40:56] Voice 18: That was fun, too.

[1:40:57] Voice 18: Yeah, it was fun.

[1:40:59] Voice 18: All right, going to move on.

[1:41:01] Voice 18: Next up is the ITC report to Trust Council.

[1:41:04] Voice 18: For a quarter, it was my privilege

[1:41:06] Voice 18: to give a synopsis of that at Trust Council.

[1:41:10] Voice 18: And then moving on to 7.4.8,

[1:41:13] Voice 18: the Governance Committee update.

[1:41:15] Voice 18: For myself, I didn't actually attend the last meeting,

[1:41:17] Voice 18: unfortunately.

[1:41:18] Voice 18: I couldn't make it.

[1:41:19] Voice 18: I'll be at the next meeting, though,

[1:41:21] Voice 18: and I'll have a

[1:41:21] Voice 18: more fulsome update then.

[1:41:24] Voice 18: 7.4.9, finding our future.

[1:41:28] Voice 18: Charissa?

[1:41:29] Voice 18: Finding our future.

[1:41:30] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:41:31] Voice 4: So I did send something in writing very brief.

[1:41:34] Voice 4: It was a

[1:41:35] Voice 4: fantastic workshop.

[1:41:36] Voice 4: It was very well attended.

[1:41:37] Voice 4: What I really have to impress on us

[1:41:39] Voice 4: is that pretty well every local government,

[1:41:44] Voice 4: like people sitting on the local councils, were there.

[1:41:47] Voice 4: So they knew this was going to be an important meeting

[1:41:49] Voice 4: and sat and talked to the Michoacan councillor

[1:41:53] Voice 4: and Saanich councillor and all these people.

[1:41:55] Voice 4: So that was impressive.

[1:41:58] Voice 4: All the environmental groups in the area

[1:42:01] Voice 4: and all the foundations.

[1:42:02] Voice 4: Pat was one of the funders.

[1:42:04] Voice 4: There were several funders.

[1:42:05] Voice 4: And it was very well organized.

[1:42:07] Voice 4: Not all the speakers showed up,

[1:42:08] Voice 4: but boy, they had replacement speakers right away.

[1:42:11] Voice 4: Adam Olson was there.

[1:42:12] Voice 4: He stayed all day and he engaged in all the discussions.

[1:42:15] Voice 4: There were lots of breakout groups.

[1:42:16] Voice 4: And so I'll let you read.

[1:42:18] Voice 4: It's only one page, but the point of this is that it's very well advanced to have a conservation fund for the Capital Regional District area, and it would be funded by the tax rolls.

[1:42:33] Voice 4: And they are using the model of other – I raised the one on the Kootenay Conservation Fund, but there's one in the Okanagan as well.

[1:42:41] Voice 4: And it requires a lot of background work to get buy-in from people who live there.

[1:42:46] Voice 4: and they've done that background work they've done the polling people are overwhelmingly interested

[1:42:52] Voice 4: in doing this and

[1:42:54] Voice 4: so um i was really happy that i actually when i asked to attend i thought it

[1:42:59] Voice 4: might be interesting but i didn't realize how important it was so i just thought well we should

[1:43:04] Voice 4: be there but i didn't really understand who would be there and how important it was so

[1:43:10] Voice 4: what i would

[1:43:11] Voice 4: suggest that i didn't put in the note and i'll just i would propose a motion and i'll just i

[1:43:18] Voice 4: just wrote this on the fly so i'll just read it quickly and see if the idea of the motion is that

[1:43:23] Voice 4: we would write a letter to the organizers of the itc board agrees to write a letter to the

[1:43:29] Voice 4: organizers of the funding our future financing conservation of private lands workshop thanking

[1:43:35] Voice 4: thanking them for the excellent workshop and expressing the interest of the ITC board in

[1:43:41] Voice 4: participating in future discussions as the concept of a regional conservation fund progresses.

[1:43:48] Voice 4: My point of that is so that we're at the table, like we are officially at the table.

[1:43:53] Voice 4: In her parting comments, Carolyn Stewart had suggested we have such a fund for the ITC,

[1:44:03] Voice 4: and now i see that the idea of a fund is broader on the tax roll and perhaps maybe more acceptable

[1:44:10] Voice 4: if it's on the bigger tax roll but we wouldn't obviously get all the money because there's a lot

[1:44:16] Voice 4: of municipalities and so i just put that out there to have that motion and then just briefly

[1:44:23] Voice 4: there's another motion because i went over budget a little bit so the other motion is to extend my

[1:44:28] Voice 4: budget to the i gave it to um that'll be at a new business so that's underneath

[1:44:32] Voice 4: so the proposed

[1:44:34] Voice 4: motion is i can give the awarding but maybe people would disagree or agree is for us to just signal

[1:44:40] Voice 4: our interest in staying engaged in this process i'd like to hear from them

[1:44:46] Voice 16: especially for television

[1:44:47] Voice 16: i i just wanted to mention that like that that workshop was funded by the coastal of the spur

[1:44:52] Voice 16: conservation partnership and i sit on the steering committee for that and on security groups so we

[1:44:56] Voice 16: are already i think i think a letter is an excellent idea from the board just to make

[1:45:01] Voice 16: sure that however it's written it

[1:45:03] Voice 4: actually had more fun i'm

[1:45:05] Voice 16: part of that

[1:45:05] Voice 4: i've had about five

[1:45:07] Voice 4: finders i was surprised yeah okay well

[1:45:11] Voice 8: to add to that council also supports the administrative

[1:45:13] Voice 8: costs of the coastal dog was for a conservation partnership so in a way is also contributing

[1:45:17] Voice 8: uh but that seemed like a long motion i wonder if you might be able to email it to corlin

[1:45:20] Voice 8: with uh sure rather than do you think it's too long uh well i didn't catch all of it

[1:45:26] Voice 8: if you're able to email it over oh my god i got

[1:45:30] Voice 10: the first part i just i i'll email it

[1:45:33] Voice 10: thanking the excellent workshop and after that i lost you so

[1:45:37] Voice 15: so thank you um so while you're doing that i just uh just a question uh um and you can don't worry

[1:45:45] Voice 15: Don't worry about thinking about it now because you have to do this.

[1:45:49] Voice 15: If, say, regional districts are not willing to do this

[1:45:54] Voice 15: and to take it off the tax roll for that regional district,

[1:45:59] Voice 15: I keep thinking that this sort of should come out of the province's purview.

[1:46:04] Voice 15: You know, I keep thinking the province should be funding this

[1:46:08] Voice 15: for the entire province, not just for each local area

[1:46:12] Voice 15: or regional districts or, you know,

[1:46:14] Voice 15: even if we have a wonderful consortium

[1:46:16] Voice 15: of conservation groups and local government

[1:46:18] Voice 15: who want to do this,

[1:46:21] Voice 15: why doesn't the province do it

[1:46:24] Voice 15: on an even bigger tax roll?

[1:46:27] Voice 15: You know, but maybe I just have no idea

[1:46:30] Voice 15: why the province doesn't want to do it.

[1:46:32] Voice 5: So, Cecilia?

[1:46:33] Voice 5: So, consideration of something like that

[1:46:35] Voice 5: could be a resolution to AVICC and UBCO.

[1:46:38] Voice 5: If you want to call the province for additional funding,

[1:46:40] Voice 5: get that sort of thinking done by December so that it can be prepared so that it can be so and I

[1:46:49] Voice 5: don't see why the Conservancy can't put forward through Trust Council a resolution to request the

[1:46:55] Voice 5: province to fund something like that cultural heritage protection is another one that some

[1:47:01] Voice 5: that we were talking about

[1:47:02] Voice 5: that and and this again it gets back to we really have to be aware of the

[1:47:07] Voice 5: the priorities of the province right now

[1:47:12] Voice 5: is going to be so tough to ask for more money for things.

[1:47:16] Voice 5: There's municipalities who are,

[1:47:18] Voice 5: there's just

[1:47:19] Voice 5: like breakdowns in city disorder,

[1:47:21] Voice 5: policing, all this stuff.

[1:47:22] Voice 5: So make our requests very focused

[1:47:25] Voice 5: and there needs to be research.

[1:47:27] Voice 5: And so pulling those stakeholders together

[1:47:29] Voice 5: and making a strategic ask, I think is great,

[1:47:33] Voice 5: but we need to do the work.

[1:47:34] Voice 5: It can't just be fun of this.

[1:47:36] Voice 18: Oh no, totally.

[1:47:37] Voice 15: Totally. I totally agree.

[1:47:39] Voice 15: That's

[1:47:39] Voice 18: why I was like, maybe

[1:47:41] Voice 15: it's not even appropriate.

[1:47:42] Voice 15: I don't know.

[1:47:43] Voice 18: It

[1:47:43] Voice 15: only seems appropriate in the sense that if it's appropriate for this area

[1:47:48] Voice 15: and people are willing to do it here, well, what about the rest of the province?

[1:47:54] Voice 18: Coraline, do you have that

[1:47:55] Voice 10: motion for us?

[1:47:56] Voice 10: Yeah, it should be on the screen.

[1:48:02] Voice 10: That worked.

[1:48:09] Voice 11: How's it look?

[1:48:12] Voice 18: Looking for a seconder?

[1:48:15] Voice 18: Second from Charles Conn.

[1:48:17] Voice 18: Thank you, Jenny.

[1:48:19] Voice 18: A couple more seconds to look it over,

[1:48:22] Voice 18: and then I'll call the vote.

[1:48:28] Voice 18: Ready to vote?

[1:48:29] Voice 18: Awesome.

[1:48:31] Voice 18: All those in favor?

[1:48:34] Voice 18: Carried.

[1:48:36] Voice 18: Right now, moving on.

[1:48:40] Voice 18: Number eight, public comments or delegations.

[1:48:42] Voice 18: Do you know what I'm gonna want?

[1:48:44] Voice 18: Did I?

[1:48:47] Voice 18: No? No.

[1:48:48] Voice 18: And I'm moving on to number nine, new business.

[1:48:52] Voice 18: Number nine, 9.1.

[1:48:55] Voice 18: I think Coraline has a motion up there.

[1:48:57] Voice 18: it's pretty self-explanatory i'll read it out thank you for sharing that

[1:49:02] Voice 18: a motion to amend funding allocations for conference attendance

[1:49:10] Voice 18: motion reads um that the island trust conservancy approved an additional allocation

[1:49:18] Voice 18: of 78 dollars and 45 cents to cover the full cost of trustee smith's attendance to the funding our

[1:49:25] Voice 18: our future financing conservation on private lands conference on February 27th 2025 in his final

[1:49:33] Voice 18: bringing the total approved limit up to 378 dollars and 45 cents so move looking for a

[1:49:42] Voice 18: seconder Susan Yates fantastic and I will call the vote I have to abstain because yes

[1:49:56] Voice 8: I might, Chair.

[1:49:58] Voice 8: In fact, the Board Member

[1:50:02] Voice 8: Smith has to declare a conflict of interest

[1:50:04] Voice 8: rather than abstaining, because abstaining counts

[1:50:06] Voice 8: as a vote in favour. So in

[1:50:07] Voice 8: fact, the minute

[1:50:08] Voice 8: should record that she's declared a conflict of interest.

[1:50:10] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:50:12] Voice 14: Actually, according to my

[1:50:14] Voice 14: research,

[1:50:16] Voice 14: that's not true,

[1:50:18] Voice 14: what we've learned about abstaining.

[1:50:20] Voice 14: you can abstain, and it's neither for or against, according to Robert's rules.

[1:50:26] Voice 14: This decision is an Islands Trust decision.

[1:50:30] Voice 8: It's

[1:50:31] Voice 14: not official.

[1:50:33] Voice 8: As I understand it, it's set out in the meeting.

[1:50:35] Voice 8: Certainly, our Director of Legislative Services, David Fother, could advise.

[1:50:39] Voice 8: My understanding is it's set out in our meeting procedures bylaws,

[1:50:43] Voice 8: and so in that way, it's official to Islands Trust.

[1:50:46] Voice 8: Not all of our meeting procedures are completely consistent with Robert's rules.

[1:50:50] Voice 14: it's just a shame because an abstention is actually expressing a certain opinion and you've

[1:50:57] Voice 14: taken that away yes because you you there are many uh incidents where you won't want to vote

[1:51:04] Voice 14: for or against something and um it's it's good to have an extension so certainly um director

[1:51:10] Voice 8: monitor's here today if you want to have a chat with him around that and if you want to bring

[1:51:13] Voice 8: something forward as a change he could help advise on how that could happen okay all

[1:51:17] Voice 18: right and we're

[1:51:18] Voice 18: I'm going to move on because it's noon, and I want to have lunch.

[1:51:21] Voice 18: Item number 10, next Island's Trust Conservancy meeting is scheduled to be held electronically

[1:51:25] Voice 18: on May 27, 2025, at 10 a.m.

[1:51:30] Voice 18: And then moving on to item number 11, I can pick for a motion to close the meeting.

[1:51:35] Voice 15: I'd be happy

[1:51:36] Voice 18: to read that.

[1:51:36] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Yates.

[1:51:37] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:51:37] Voice 15: I move that the Island's Trust Conservancy meeting be closed to the public in accordance

[1:51:41] Voice 15: with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91D, the security of the property

[1:51:48] Voice 15: of the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[1:51:50] Voice 15: E. The acquisition, disposition, or expropriation of land or improvements

[1:51:54] Voice 15: if the Board considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected

[1:51:58] Voice 15: to harm the interests of the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[1:52:01] Voice 15: I. The receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege,

[1:52:06] Voice 15: including communications necessary for that purpose.

[1:52:09] Voice 15: And K. Negotiations and related discussions respecting the proposed provision

[1:52:14] Voice 15: of a service that are at their preliminary stages

[1:52:17] Voice 15: and that, in the view of the board, could reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:52:22] Voice 15: if they were held in public, and that staff remain in the meeting.

[1:52:28] Voice 15: We're seconded.

[1:52:30] Voice 6: Trustee Clark.

[1:52:31] Voice 18: Thank you, and I'll call the vote.

[1:52:33] Voice 18: All those in favor?

[1:52:35] Voice 18: Carrie, you're next.

[1:52:37] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:52:41] Voice 12: We're going for a stop.