Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, October 9, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 28: were staring at me going, who the hell is that guy? I'm David. I'm from Maine Island. I'm one

[0:00:07] Voice 28: of the vice chairs of Islands Trust. Your normal chair, Laura Patrick, cannot attend today for some

[0:00:12] Voice 28: personal reasons. So she's asked me to step in on her behalf. So hopefully you'll have patience

[0:00:19] Voice 28: and the trustees will be patient with me because I naturally am new to Gabriel LTC. So I will do

[0:00:24] Voice 28: my best to keep things in order and going well. But I am within arm's reach. If anybody wants to

[0:00:30] Voice 28: whack the society ahead and tell me I'm not don't know what I'm doing so we will we will do our very

[0:00:35] Voice 28: very best um so I'll do more coming in yeah

[0:00:42] Voice 23: there

[0:00:51] Voice 27: we go a bit more some more

[0:00:52] Voice 27: this is good all right

[0:00:54] Voice 28: so I'll just pass off to um trustee Elliott for a territorial acknowledgement sure

[0:01:02] Trustee Elliott: thank you chair

[0:01:04] Trustee Elliott: um we always want to begin by acknowledging our place and our relationship to this place

[0:01:10] Trustee Elliott: and so we always start by acknowledging that the lands and waters of the Gabriola look that the

[0:01:16] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee and the other

[0:01:18] Trustee Elliott: islands in the islands trust area have been home to

[0:01:21] Trustee Elliott: Coast Salish peoples since time immemorial specifically the name of First Nation remains

[0:01:27] Trustee Elliott: present on Gabriola Island their tribal headquarters located in Nanaimo and their

[0:01:33] Trustee Elliott: reserve land spread across the island here and surrounding area. The ongoing connection between

[0:01:42] Trustee Elliott: Sanema and the land and the water underscores the importance of collaboration and mutual respect

[0:01:49] Trustee Elliott: in land stewardship and governance and the Honest Trust is in these efforts. I'll just add that

[0:01:57] Trustee Elliott: I'll include this report but I just came from an Indigenous foods gathering

[0:02:03] Trustee Elliott: in Couttson Territory, Duncan, for the last three days

[0:02:07] Trustee Elliott: and got to experience a workshop on sea gardens

[0:02:12] Trustee Elliott: and learned that many of the sea gardens and the clam beds

[0:02:19] Trustee Elliott: go back to at least 4,000 years.

[0:02:22] Trustee Elliott: This technology has existed and sustained

[0:02:25] Trustee Elliott: Coast Salish peoples in these areas.

[0:02:28] Trustee Elliott: So I'd be happy to share more about that,

[0:02:30] Trustee Elliott: but it really profoundly um informs our work today um that respect for um their

[0:02:39] Voice 6: enduring governance

[0:02:40] Voice 6: that continues to this day must underpin our

[0:02:42] Voice 28: work thank

[0:02:43] Voice 6: you thank

[0:02:44] Voice 28: you very much all right so

[0:02:47] Voice 28: just formally i'm david maude i'm elected on main island um i'm a vice chair of islands trust and

[0:02:55] Voice 28: And for today, I will be the chair of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:59] Voice 28: So I'm joined today by your two trustees, Susan Yates and Toby Elliott.

[0:03:06] Voice 28: Don't want that.

[0:03:08] Voice 28: So and together we make up the Gabriel Local Trust Committee today.

[0:03:11] Voice 28: So this meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend

[0:03:15] Voice 28: in person today.

[0:03:15] Voice 28: The recording will be posted to the Island Trust for future viewing.

[0:03:18] Voice 28: I need to acknowledge that currently Island Trust staff, members of PCQ, are on strike

[0:03:24] Voice 28: today.

[0:03:24] Voice 28: So that's why we have a less staff component, and we do thank our supporting staff in head office who are kind of making us go forward.

[0:03:33] Voice 28: So what we have, we have our regional planning manager, who is now our recording secretary, planner.

[0:03:42] Voice 28: I don't know how many hats Renee is wearing today, but we do thank her for joining us.

[0:03:47] Voice 28: in the victoria office we have alex uh andrew sandra trifanis who is running our zoom meeting

[0:03:54] Voice 28: for us from afar we very much appreciate her stepping in uh because it's not easy and uh

[0:04:04] Voice 28: if we didn't have her i don't know where we'd be today so we thank that very much

[0:04:08] Voice 28: um and normally i have a whole long list of stats to read off but that's it um so just to let you

[0:04:16] Voice 28: know this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about

[0:04:20] Voice 28: land use planning matters and discuss relevant business and i want to add this is replaced with

[0:04:24] Voice 28: employment um our staff the right to a safe and respectful workplace so before us we have an

[0:04:30] Voice 28: agenda um i understand um item four the community information meeting about the policy statement

[0:04:37] Voice 28: there's interest in deferring that so over to you

[0:04:40] Trustee Elliott: thanks good morning everyone so i'll be uh doing

[0:04:45] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to sort of do a little, share a little bit about the logistics.

[0:04:49] Trustee Elliott: I'll be taking minutes and going through the agenda with the LTC today.

[0:04:53] Trustee Elliott: So I might just prompt you to slow down as I capture resolution.

[0:04:59] Trustee Elliott: Because we have a full audience today, I just want to note you have two exits here,

[0:05:04] Trustee Elliott: one from the door you came in and one where my hand is here, out to the parking.

[0:05:10] Trustee Elliott: So just mark that as well.

[0:05:13] Trustee Elliott: and if there's any questions the LTC has please do let me know I'm going to be

[0:05:19] Trustee Elliott: very attentive to you as much as I can for

[0:05:21] Voice 10: the audience there are empty chairs

[0:05:23] Voice 10: over this direction so thank

[0:05:29] Trustee Elliott: you chair so we can confirm the items on the

[0:05:32] Trustee Elliott: agenda I understand that the community information session meeting on the

[0:05:38] Trustee Elliott: policy statement um you'll take something like that to first so we can go through any items

[0:05:44] Trustee Elliott: that we can differ on the agenda and uh and give uh and promotion okay

[0:05:52] Voice 28: so trustees the agenda yes

[0:05:56] Voice 10: thank you chair um for approval of the agenda in my trustee report i also have a report for

[0:06:04] Voice 10: the islands trust conservancy and i'm wondering if that would be better put under 14.3 which

[0:06:10] Voice 10: is conservancy report yeah

[0:06:13] Voice 23: it's not

[0:06:14] Voice 10: a staff report but it is a report from a board member

[0:06:18] Voice 23: and that's okay

[0:06:19] Voice 20: anything

[0:06:27] Voice 28: else in the agenda that needs to be added or deleted

[0:06:31] Voice 28: needed. So if you're so by general consent, we'll adopt the agenda as amended

[0:06:39] Voice 28: as amended.

[0:06:42] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:06:42] Voice 28: So we move down to reports. So we have trustee reports over here. Okay. Right. What's

[0:07:05] Trustee Elliott: um it has september is typically um a busy month and it has been extremely busy um starting

[0:07:13] Trustee Elliott: september 8th regional planning committee um i think i gave a preview of that at the last local

[0:07:18] Trustee Elliott: trust committee meeting um but just to highlight there is um a major project coming for the islands

[0:07:26] Trustee Elliott: trust as a whole um and what's what i think we're just calling it the indicators project

[0:07:31] Trustee Elliott: to really understand through science and modeling and mapping what are the

[0:07:41] Trustee Elliott: indicators of ecosystem health and biodiversity across the trust area so

[0:07:48] Trustee Elliott: that that can inform our planning going forward and there really hasn't been a

[0:07:53] Trustee Elliott: holistic approach to this before so it's going to be quite a large project and a

[0:07:59] Trustee Elliott: a joint project of the regional planning committee and trust programs committee and it matches a lot

[0:08:04] Trustee Elliott: of the strategic plan initiatives that this trust council approved and which islands residents have

[0:08:13] Trustee Elliott: been asking for for a number of years so staff are planning the contract first to scope out the

[0:08:19] Trustee Elliott: project in order to bring a business case which would be a multi-year business case that's a very

[0:08:27] Trustee Elliott: ambitious one but it's it's very exciting because we need to understand what is happening on the

[0:08:32] Trustee Elliott: land and the water in order to um make well be able to plan for better outcomes september 10th

[0:08:39] Trustee Elliott: there is a policy statement amendment project town hall um across the trust area um your vice

[0:08:46] Trustee Elliott: chairs except for vice chair maude unfortunately dropped out with a terrible internet connection

[0:08:52] Trustee Elliott: we seem to be in the 21st century and then sometimes it's just not happening uh we answered

[0:08:58] Trustee Elliott: many questions from the public um so the policy statement amendment project um we were supposed to

[0:09:04] Trustee Elliott: have a session here and each local trust committee will have a session to look at the draft policy

[0:09:12] Trustee Elliott: statement and look at it through the lens of your community and so as we are thankfully going

[0:09:18] Trustee Elliott: through an official committee plan review we're looking at what do we need now what do we need

[0:09:23] Trustee Elliott: into the future and then what are those policies that are going to support that so um i really

[0:09:28] Trustee Elliott: encourage everyone to go to the website download the draft policy statement your two trustees

[0:09:35] Trustee Elliott: well all of us have been involved in extensive drafting and redrafting i think there was 15

[0:09:41] Trustee Elliott: meetings between committee the whole and programs committee and really first reading is just to get

[0:09:50] Trustee Elliott: to the point where we can get community input we needed a draft to say okay now what do you think

[0:09:54] Trustee Elliott: so there'll be there's multiple referrals uh february 6th is the deadline for all local

[0:10:02] Trustee Elliott: trust committees and agencies to give their feedback so we have deferred that from this

[0:10:07] Trustee Elliott: this meeting, I think in November, we'll have a special town hall session where this community

[0:10:12] Trustee Elliott: give us your comments, talk about the gaps, omissions, things that need to be strengthened,

[0:10:17] Trustee Elliott: and then we'll put that together and submit it as our referral response. Reimagining Growth

[0:10:24] Trustee Elliott: Workshop here on Gabriela Island to support the OCP project. Both your trustees attended. I won't

[0:10:29] Trustee Elliott: go into it. There's a report in our agenda today on some of the outcomes from that meeting. There's

[0:10:35] Trustee Elliott: about 60 people there uh it was on sunday and i would say it was one of our best community meetings

[0:10:42] Trustee Elliott: that i've ever attended there was a lot of really good um um good information that came out from the

[0:10:51] Trustee Elliott: focus groups and diversity like there was a lot of different views and people were trying you know

[0:10:55] Trustee Elliott: we're wrestling with this um the discussion on how do we support and accommodate appropriate growth

[0:11:04] Trustee Elliott: growth um and how do we protect and preserve the environment that needs to be protected so it's

[0:11:10] Trustee Elliott: that those two pieces that we have to sort of that growth like what does that framework look like

[0:11:15] Trustee Elliott: um then we had trust council maybe you can report out on that um there was a big article in the

[0:11:23] Trustee Elliott: paper about doug white the third's address uh former um cinema chief and he's um the special

[0:11:31] Trustee Elliott: council to the premier on reconciliation um it's he's a phenomenal speaker um i encourage everyone

[0:11:39] Trustee Elliott: to listen to the wednesday it starts at 5 0 5 p.m it's about a 40 minute address

[0:11:45] Trustee Elliott: and he really goes through um you know from personal experience through case law and

[0:11:52] Trustee Elliott: significant cases right up to the cowards and tribes decision um to create a better understanding

[0:11:58] Trustee Elliott: of how we can actually work together today

[0:12:00] Trustee Elliott: on creating frameworks of decision-making

[0:12:06] Trustee Elliott: that actually embed consent.

[0:12:08] Trustee Elliott: So it's...

[0:12:11] Trustee Elliott: I'm not waiting for DRIP to change our laws.

[0:12:13] Trustee Elliott: Sorry.

[0:12:14] Voice 28: Go ahead.

[0:12:14] Voice 28: I just had a question, I think.

[0:12:16] Voice 28: Sorry.

[0:12:17] Voice 25: I'm sorry.

[0:12:17] Voice 25: I just want to interrupt.

[0:12:19] Voice 25: Am I understanding correctly

[0:12:22] Voice 26: that community information meeting policies

[0:12:25] Voice 26: is going to be applied on the meeting

[0:12:26] Voice 26: if you're not attending today?

[0:12:28] Voice 26: I believe that, at least for me, that's why we're staying outside here.

[0:12:34] Voice 28: Unfortunately,

[0:12:35] Voice 25: we're in a

[0:12:35] Voice 28: position due to BCGE.

[0:12:37] Voice 25: Oh, no, I

[0:12:38] Voice 25: just want to know.

[0:12:39] Voice 28: Yeah, because of BCGE, we don't have staff to support this.

[0:12:44] Voice 28: So it just is an inappropriate sort of forum to do what needs to be done.

[0:12:50] Voice 28: So go ahead.

[0:12:51] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Chair.

[0:12:52] Trustee Elliott: I think there's comments, opportunity for comments.

[0:12:57] Trustee Elliott: up until I believe January so I believe what the LPC is and what we're working on

[0:13:06] Trustee Elliott: their staff together with the LPC is another community information session we'll have to

[0:13:12] Trustee Elliott: confirm the date I think we were talking about November but that would again be posted on the

[0:13:17] Trustee Elliott: agenda and advertised on the site so because this has come up a little bit suddenly unfortunately

[0:13:23] Trustee Elliott: Unfortunately, there's an opportunity to look at those things at the same time.

[0:13:29] Voice 10: Apologies. I have a funny feeling.

[0:13:32] Voice 10: I think I need to clarify, Stephen Earl at the back, are you here for that, the policy statement,

[0:13:39] Voice 10: or are you here for our official community plan work?

[0:13:46] Voice 27: I'm here for the community information meeting policy statement.

[0:13:51] Trustee Elliott: Okay, thank you for that clarification.

[0:13:55] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, we're going to defer that until next time.

[0:13:58] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[0:14:00] Voice 14: Sorry to interrupt.

[0:14:02] Voice 14: No, it's okay.

[0:14:02] Voice 27: Thank

[0:14:03] Voice 14: you, Trustee Elliott.

[0:14:06] Voice 27: Can I clarify that point?

[0:14:09] Voice 27: We're not here to talk about the operation of the allowed scene in the area, are we?

[0:14:18] Voice 27: Through

[0:14:20] Trustee Elliott: the official community plan project, the Gabriel official community plan project

[0:14:26] Trustee Elliott: does address bill notes.

[0:14:27] Voice 24: What is the name of the meeting about?

[0:14:30] Trustee Elliott: It's a regular business meeting of the local trust committee.

[0:14:34] Trustee Elliott: That's all I need to know.

[0:14:35] Trustee Elliott: Thanks.

[0:14:35] Trustee Elliott: Goodbye.

[0:14:39] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[0:14:41] Trustee Elliott: Well, I won't race through UBCM, but we both attended the Bowen Island Municipality's invitation

[0:14:49] Trustee Elliott: to very dependent communities.

[0:14:51] Trustee Elliott: Very vigorous discussion there.

[0:14:54] Trustee Elliott: I think there was a big article again in the paper.

[0:14:56] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Yates, thank you for representing

[0:14:58] Trustee Elliott: those interests so well.

[0:15:01] Trustee Elliott: UBCM, it's the annual convention

[0:15:03] Trustee Elliott: of the Union of BC Municipalities.

[0:15:07] Trustee Elliott: And so there's lots and lots of contemporary workshops

[0:15:12] Trustee Elliott: and it's a chance for local government to get together

[0:15:15] Trustee Elliott: with key ministry staff.

[0:15:18] Trustee Elliott: staff we ask for meetings sometimes we get them and we attend like cabinet meetings and

[0:15:25] Trustee Elliott: panel discussions so I attended one on local government engagement in provincial first

[0:15:30] Trustee Elliott: nations negotiations was fascinating the three primary negotiators for the province that engage

[0:15:38] Trustee Elliott: with nations on treaty um spoke about the process and there is real um need to understand how local

[0:15:48] Trustee Elliott: governments fit into that because we're often those are very closed meetings and then right

[0:15:53] Trustee Elliott: at the end it's like well here's a decision and so um that was a really good opportunity and

[0:15:58] Trustee Elliott: ubcm is getting information and feedback from local governments of how we need to be engaged

[0:16:05] Trustee Elliott: earlier so that we can answer questions from community about, you know, even the status of

[0:16:10] Trustee Elliott: negotiation. Sometimes it's pretty opaque. So what is our role in that? There was a good session on

[0:16:17] Trustee Elliott: the use of AI in local government. It is being trialed in many different areas. Kelowna was a

[0:16:25] Trustee Elliott: pilot. And so they had a large project to do all of their development. Approvals processes are

[0:16:31] Trustee Elliott: are informed by ai they got a big grant to do that and it's both terrifying and energy

[0:16:39] Trustee Elliott: something that um i'm bringing forward to our council in december um to ask council to look

[0:16:46] Trustee Elliott: at the potential implications of ai it is happening so how do we we need policy around it

[0:16:52] Trustee Elliott: how are our contractors allowed to use it how are staff allowed to use it whether you are for it or

[0:16:58] Trustee Elliott: against it is informing our technology so getting ahead of that and looking at some

[0:17:02] Trustee Elliott: real world examples of ai technology in policy has been helpful the minister of state for real

[0:17:11] Trustee Elliott: communities for anderson addressed um us it was really good the new leader of the green party

[0:17:16] Trustee Elliott: emily loudon she had just been elected the day before so she was full of fire um it was quite

[0:17:23] Trustee Elliott: interesting uh leader of the opposition john rusted i have to say it was one of the more

[0:17:29] Trustee Elliott: shocking speeches i've ever heard uh he said he would roll back drippa if elected um and um i

[0:17:40] Trustee Elliott: shared on a panel uh with the director frank and their staff on the tiny homes project

[0:17:46] Trustee Elliott: So that was a big highlight, a big focus. I've got a summary of the A's project, if anybody wants, as well as some draft zoning options from Main Island.

[0:17:58] Trustee Elliott: um so the example policies and regulations that would be needed in zoning to permit tiny homes

[0:18:07] Trustee Elliott: on wheels uh temporary use guidelines um definitions for the ocp um you know criteria

[0:18:14] Trustee Elliott: for waste and disposal um and then a tiny home on wheels community clustered residential so

[0:18:21] Trustee Elliott: these are example policies that main island is looking at and we shared those out and everybody

[0:18:27] Trustee Elliott: grabbed them there was about 150 people in the room and so this is really leading the way and

[0:18:34] Trustee Elliott: i just want to acknowledge the regional district of nanaimo and their staff without the innovation

[0:18:40] Trustee Elliott: of your the building inspector the planning manager being open to really figure out like

[0:18:47] Trustee Elliott: how are we going to get through this perceived obstacle this was totally pivotal in making the

[0:18:54] Trustee Elliott: the technical workshop the success so it was a true partnership and I really really thank the

[0:18:59] Trustee Elliott: RDN for that

[0:19:00] Trustee Elliott: so we presented a panel of there's four five women on it shared our experience

[0:19:06] Trustee Elliott: personally and then from government and everybody was like wow this is a game changer did a few

[0:19:11] Trustee Elliott: interviews for CBC and and so on well

[0:19:14] Voice 10: done too oh

[0:19:15] Trustee Elliott: so meeting with Walrus water resource lands and

[0:19:20] Trustee Elliott: stewardship this was the islands trust had asked for a meeting with walrus um because the crown

[0:19:26] Trustee Elliott: lease protocol agreement that we i was trust holds with the ministry is very old it's like 1994

[0:19:32] Trustee Elliott: maybe um and there has been some conflict um on fetus island where i chair um with a lease

[0:19:44] Trustee Elliott: referral a lease that was approved for aquaculture um when the local trust committee did not approve

[0:19:51] Trustee Elliott: the zoning that it was actually against the wishes of the two first nations that we had engaged

[0:19:56] Trustee Elliott: and so we had sort of a not a tense meeting it was they agreed to engage with us to renew the

[0:20:05] Trustee Elliott: Crown Lease Protocol Agreement but it's everybody is so taxed and there's a lot of work that I don't

[0:20:14] Trustee Elliott: know when that's going to get done. I met with Ministry of Housing, ADM, they're very excited

[0:20:19] Trustee Elliott: about tiny homes on wheels and we met with bc assessment um so interestingly the question does

[0:20:25] Trustee Elliott: come up well how can you do tax assessment for something on wheels and so i brought this question

[0:20:32] Trustee Elliott: to them going well thinking it was hard and they're like oh of course we have a tax bracket

[0:20:38] Trustee Elliott: for that they've got a tax bracket for everything um so the fact that tiny homes on wheels with the

[0:20:44] Trustee Elliott: The manufactured CSA standard already has a number that is assessed for taxation.

[0:20:53] Trustee Elliott: And so that can be assessed separately from a property owner's improvement and built infrastructure.

[0:20:59] Trustee Elliott: So as we're talking about tiny homes on wheels, you can imagine that there would be two separate, I think they call them

[0:21:07] Voice 6: filings or something,

[0:21:10] Voice 6: um so that the taxable value is not added to the land but it as an improvement um but it's a

[0:21:16] Voice 6: separate um um category oh gosh

[0:21:22] Trustee Elliott: executive committee do you want to fill us in on the

[0:21:26] Trustee Elliott: executive committee we're seeing business cases coming forward for auxiliary senior policy advisors

[0:21:31] Trustee Elliott: um so we're working on the budget now for 2026-27 and i have to say it's gonna be it's gonna be a

[0:21:38] Trustee Elliott: big one we didn't keep we kept taxation jump low last year um but there's a number of staff

[0:21:46] Trustee Elliott: positions that are needed including a biologist on staff this was funded through a species at risk

[0:21:53] Trustee Elliott: grant which expires this year and that biologist on staff has been really key in the planning

[0:22:00] Trustee Elliott: department to help inform um the requirements that we're asking for residents so when you apply for

[0:22:08] Trustee Elliott: for development permits in a development permit area you know there's a lot of environmental

[0:22:11] Trustee Elliott: considerations so planners are not biologists and so having that expertise on staff has been

[0:22:17] Trustee Elliott: invaluable

[0:22:18] Voice 16: so we're asking to

[0:22:20] Voice 16: see that extended i won't go into everything else that you cover

[0:22:24] Voice 16: the conservancy we'll do that later 14.3 and then i'll and then i'm near the end this is oh my gosh

[0:22:32] Voice 16: the monologue. Take

[0:22:33] Voice 10: your time. I do want to say here, this is all of the work that we do as your

[0:22:38] Voice 10: local trustees in our community and in our regional areas and in the province. And everything

[0:22:46] Voice 10: that we attend with our hearts and minds informs the work that we do here. So it may seem like a

[0:22:54] Voice 10: long slog to go through, but it is the work we do so that we can do better work here on Vibriola.

[0:23:00] Voice 10: yeah yeah thank you um

[0:23:04] Trustee Elliott: okay so i'll just skip to um i've i've went from the skinny local trust

[0:23:10] Trustee Elliott: committee where i chaired on monday um it was actually um a difficult discussion on the policy

[0:23:17] Trustee Elliott: statement and i have to really hear the concerns that are coming up about the alignment with drifa

[0:23:25] Trustee Elliott: and how grounded our policy statement is in reconciliation.

[0:23:31] Trustee Elliott: There's a lot of education that needs to be done

[0:23:34] Trustee Elliott: about what is and what is not.

[0:23:36] Trustee Elliott: So I'm learning all the time from these situations.

[0:23:42] Trustee Elliott: And then I had the delight of being invited

[0:23:44] Trustee Elliott: to an island's Indigenous foods gathering.

[0:23:48] Trustee Elliott: So that just happened Monday to Wednesday.

[0:23:50] Trustee Elliott: in Cowichan territory and invited First Nations from all across the island and I went to support

[0:23:59] Trustee Elliott: an elder who wanted to learn about the Clam Gardens. So we had a two-day workshop on Clam

[0:24:05] Trustee Elliott: Gardens. It was presented by Parks Canada and Maliket knowledge holder Ken Thomas who was a

[0:24:11] Trustee Elliott: council member with Maliket for a very long time and Sartland elder Carl Olson. And so we went on

[0:24:19] Trustee Elliott: on a boat to Russell Island which is opposite Salt Spring Island in Parks Reserve and there

[0:24:26] Trustee Elliott: was a 700 year old sea wall and Ken Thomas shared how he got involved in this work and was first

[0:24:33] Trustee Elliott: asked by elders to move these rocks to rebuild that wall which was still there but had been

[0:24:39] Trustee Elliott: broken down so we learned all about the technology of clam gardens and how the wall

[0:24:44] Trustee Elliott: creates this intertidal zone where the the clams can grow and flourish and then parts canada is

[0:24:50] Trustee Elliott: doing all this sort of science-based monitoring um and there's just so much information to be

[0:24:56] Trustee Elliott: learned um i took lots of video with permission so i'd love to do a presentation um and then get

[0:25:02] Trustee Elliott: ken thomas here who incidentally um yeah his father has was born on gabriela island i think

[0:25:10] Trustee Elliott: grandfather sorry and so the clown garden down at false narrows is is a massive um sustainable

[0:25:17] Trustee Elliott: food source for us and many many post-salish families so it was really wonderful there was

[0:25:23] Trustee Elliott: tons of great workshops um but i don't know how that's informing us today so i will stop

[0:25:31] Trustee Elliott: it's

[0:25:32] Voice 10: informing us today and i would love to have that here i'd love to have

[0:25:38] Voice 10: it's fascinating thank you thank you trustee elliot um okay i will try to be brief but we

[0:25:46] Voice 10: both have attended a lot of meetings uh september 10th was the trust policy statement town hall for

[0:25:52] Voice 10: the public and many trustees attended and senior policy advisor jason yeoman did a very good job

[0:25:59] Voice 10: of answering the many questions that came in. Islands Trust Council was on Gabriola.

[0:26:07] Voice 10: It only happens on Gabriola once every two or three years, so it was great to have it here.

[0:26:11] Voice 10: It was at the Haven September 16th to 18th. It was opened by Snenemach Elder Satasia,

[0:26:19] Voice 10: Geraldine Manson, and she always reminds us to embrace life, embrace the environment,

[0:26:27] Voice 10: and do a better job of serving the citizens that we represent.

[0:26:32] Voice 10: And she always reminds us about working together.

[0:26:35] Voice 10: And I find that when she opens our meetings, I just feel really grounded.

[0:26:41] Voice 10: It also sets a tone of respect when we open our meetings,

[0:26:47] Voice 10: especially with a knowledge keeper and an elder like Tassia.

[0:26:52] Voice 10: We had a field trip to the Gabriel Island Recycling Depot.

[0:26:56] Voice 10: That was part of our second day's work at Trust Council, and that was so much fun.

[0:27:00] Voice 10: We visited the Makerspace, which is in itself pretty amazing.

[0:27:05] Voice 10: And we learned about creative ways to deal with textile waste, of which there is an enormous amount.

[0:27:13] Voice 10: And out of that field trip have come a number of requests from trustees across the trust area.

[0:27:17] Voice 10: How can I buy this? How can I buy that? How can I get that?

[0:27:20] Voice 10: that particularly Denman Island wants some acoustic panels

[0:27:24] Voice 10: for a music studio from the Makerspace.

[0:27:28] Voice 10: So we also covered bylaw compliance

[0:27:31] Voice 10: and enforcement policy review at our council meeting.

[0:27:35] Voice 10: We will have a model bylaw compliance

[0:27:38] Voice 10: for the whole trust area.

[0:27:40] Voice 10: It's based on a lot of work that we've done

[0:27:42] Voice 10: with the ombudsperson over the last two years.

[0:27:45] Voice 10: And I'm really pleased with all of that.

[0:27:47] Voice 10: We had a beautiful address by Douglas White, which Trustee Elliott already mentioned.

[0:27:56] Voice 10: It was so enjoyable.

[0:27:59] Voice 10: And he shared actionable things that we can do to deepen partnerships with First Nations in the trust area.

[0:28:07] Voice 10: And he sat down with us after the formal part of his presentation.

[0:28:12] Voice 20: And

[0:28:13] Voice 10: we just had such a good discussion about, well, where do we go from here?

[0:28:16] Voice 10: how can we actually do things that will really mean something in working together and he just

[0:28:22] Voice 10: made i think all of us feel we were laughing and we felt comfortable and we felt like yes we want

[0:28:29] Voice 10: to work with him and everyone that he is working with and he is the advisor to the premier so that's

[0:28:36] Voice 10: pretty helpful um we also talked about the heritage conservation act transformation project

[0:28:42] Voice 10: project which is pretty important at trust council so i'm i think we're all kind of following that

[0:28:47] Voice 10: and seeing where it's going it's taking longer than everyone thought originally because there's

[0:28:54] Voice 10: an enormous amount of first nations participation and there are many there are 31 first nation

[0:29:00] Voice 10: groups across the trust area so a lot to consider there um so that was trust council

[0:29:08] Voice 10: so in mid-september on september 18th um our first electric bus arrived on gabriola island

[0:29:18] Voice 10: pretty miraculous another uh small accomplishment for our island it's made by micro bird which is

[0:29:26] Voice 10: part of girardin bluebird in montreal and we are so happy we're moving towards zero

[0:29:33] Voice 10: zero emission public transit on gabriola second bus is expected i think i think this week or early

[0:29:40] Voice 10: next week um and it's i think it's important to know that the funding we got from the rural

[0:29:46] Voice 10: transit solutions fund and other funders and donors helped also to support the um

[0:29:53] Voice 10: the infrastructure to run the buses so they have to be charged and there is a 40 panels

[0:29:59] Voice 10: channels.

[0:30:00] Voice 10: solar photovoltaic array on the roof of the bus depot which is also pretty cool has 18 seats

[0:30:06] Voice 10: they'll both have 18 seats and it has a double bike rack on the front the first passenger run

[0:30:13] Voice 10: was september 29th and we picked up two high school students at the very first stop on price

[0:30:17] Voice 10: road which is a lot of fun september 20th i attended the 30th anniversary of the gabriola

[0:30:25] Voice 10: Museum and Historical Society. And I have to say that has become a model for place-based learning

[0:30:33] Voice 10: with the help of the name of First Nation. It was a really lovely celebration. September 21st was

[0:30:41] Voice 10: that Ferry Dependent Communities meeting. Trustee Maud was there. Trustee Elliott was there.

[0:30:47] Voice 10: Our ED from the Chamber, Erin Udall, was there. One of our Conservancy members, Tanner Timothy,

[0:30:52] Voice 10: Timothy was there. We had a really good, we had a really good representation from Gabriola at that

[0:30:59] Voice 10: meeting in Victoria. And it ended with a call to action, a very strong call to action letter

[0:31:08] Voice 10: signed by now, signed by everyone at that meeting to go to BC Ferry CEO, Nicholas Jimenez and to

[0:31:15] Voice 10: premier david eby and since that meeting i have been contacted by jeff groot who is the executive

[0:31:25] Voice 10: director of communications bc ferries and um he's i can't help but think this is once again

[0:31:33] Voice 10: conquer and divide but here we go he's asked me about why i'm challenging the 130 minimum payment

[0:31:42] Voice 10: for the experience card that you have to pay when you go to the booth if you want to have

[0:31:46] Voice 10: a discount card so he's saying well you know we've really only received four complaints and

[0:31:52] Voice 10: that kind of thing shockingly he thinks we're a municipality um should know better and one of the

[0:32:03] Voice 10: things he points out and i have to i have to point this out here because i have not yet replied and

[0:32:07] Voice 10: and I'm going to reply.

[0:32:09] Voice 10: The intent of the experience card

[0:32:11] Voice 10: is to offer discounts to frequent customers

[0:32:15] Voice 10: on the applicable routes.

[0:32:18] Voice 10: And there's a risk that lowering

[0:32:21] Voice 10: the minimum load threshold may lead to anyone using it.

[0:32:27] Voice 10: Well, I think my favorite answer to that,

[0:32:30] Voice 10: and there are other questions he asked

[0:32:33] Voice 10: that I'm just appalled at.

[0:32:35] Voice 10: My favorite answer to that was provided

[0:32:37] Voice 10: by our newspaper editor, Derek Kilbourn.

[0:32:41] Voice 10: It's good to know there's a lot more concern

[0:32:42] Voice 10: about non-residents abusing the system

[0:32:44] Voice 10: than about how they can help us residents use the system.

[0:32:48] Voice 10: And I will be pointing that out to BC Ferries.

[0:32:52] Voice 10: He also points out, oh, well, you know,

[0:32:54] Voice 10: the saver fares are a better deal

[0:32:56] Voice 10: than the experience cards anyway.

[0:32:59] Voice 10: Well, the saver fares don't even apply

[0:33:01] Voice 10: to any of the minor routes.

[0:33:04] Voice 10: So we have to use experience cards

[0:33:07] Voice 10: if we want to ride the ferries and not pay exorbitant rates.

[0:33:11] Voice 10: Anyway, all that aside, that was the outcome of that big meeting in Victoria,

[0:33:16] Voice 10: and it has not ended yet.

[0:33:19] Voice 23: At

[0:33:19] Voice 10: some point in September, I've forgotten the date,

[0:33:21] Voice 10: I attended the Community Health Center's celebration of their amazing new project

[0:33:26] Voice 10: for rainwater harvesting, filtration, and storage,

[0:33:29] Voice 10: which doubles their water capacity at the health center.

[0:33:33] Voice 10: Sure. So once again, a marvel of volunteer and organizational accomplishment on Gabriela Island, which we seem to be pretty good at.

[0:33:41] Voice 20: I'll

[0:33:42] Voice 10: leave it there. Thank you. And RPM, Gemma, I will give you a proper summary of this for your notes.

[0:33:50] Voice 10: Shorter.

[0:33:50] Trustee Elliott: Any notes through your updates that you have?

[0:34:00] Trustee Elliott: sorry chair can i add one more thing thank you for being there at the truth and reconciliation

[0:34:06] Trustee Elliott: event i heard both of the

[0:34:08] Trustee Elliott: one at the health center and the museum were wonderful i got

[0:34:11] Trustee Elliott: a little bit of bbcm so i couldn't be there but so i was very glad that you were representing and

[0:34:17] Trustee Elliott: i heard it was amazing it

[0:34:18] Voice 16: was beautiful thanks

[0:34:19] Trustee Elliott: to community as well for supporting um truth and

[0:34:22] Trustee Elliott: Reconciliation Initiates on Gabriela.

[0:34:26] Voice 31: Yeah, sure.

[0:34:30] Voice 28: So now I have Chair's report.

[0:34:32] Voice 28: And thanks to your overly enthusiastic trustees,

[0:34:35] Voice 28: you've kind of covered everything.

[0:34:37] Voice 28: But I'll just echo that we had Trust Council, of course,

[0:34:41] Voice 28: here on Gabriela.

[0:34:41] Voice 28: It was a great event.

[0:34:43] Voice 28: The community was a wonderful host.

[0:34:47] Voice 28: We had a good time at the Haven.

[0:34:49] Voice 28: We got a lot done.

[0:34:51] Voice 28: It was a very positive meeting.

[0:34:52] Voice 28: I think the only issue we had was a little bit of internet connectivity issues, which drove tech people

[0:34:58] Voice 28: a little bit crazy, but we got it done.

[0:35:01] Voice 28: Trust Policy Statement is rolling out.

[0:35:03] Voice 28: This, of course, would have been an opportunity.

[0:35:06] Voice 28: These are complex discussions, and it really do need the staff support, basically, to answer questions, but also to take the feedback and properly consolidate it into something that really works for everybody.

[0:35:21] Voice 28: we have until now until February to submit comments so there's there's lots of opportunities

[0:35:29] Voice 28: I'll point out there's an online survey that you can do also I'm assuming your library has

[0:35:34] Voice 28: hard copies there's self-addressed envelopes of course we don't have a post office right now but

[0:35:44] Voice 28: I'm sure you can drop them off at the trust office so if you know if you're not technically inclined

[0:35:50] Voice 28: and there are old-fashioned surveys to be filled out for that.

[0:35:54] Voice 28: I'll echo the BC Fairies issues.

[0:35:57] Voice 28: The experience card issue is more than four people.

[0:35:59] Voice 28: Like I know from the Southern Gulf Islands Federal Advisory Committee,

[0:36:03] Voice 28: when this came up last time, it was unanimous in condemning the increase.

[0:36:07] Voice 28: I believe at that time it went from 82 to 120, didn't it?

[0:36:12] Voice 10: Yeah, and then to 130.

[0:36:14] Voice 28: And then stupidly to 130.

[0:36:16] Voice 28: And there was no community support for it.

[0:36:19] Voice 28: so when bc fairies are saying they've only heard support people complain they're not being very

[0:36:24] Voice 15: honorable

[0:36:25] Voice 28: in the reply more honest and um certainly cc me on that stuff because i can

[0:36:33] Voice 5: yes um

[0:36:33] Voice 28: push from from our end of the southern gulf islands because it's it's a barrier it's

[0:36:38] Voice 28: inappropriate and they have yet to be able to give any sort of rationale as to whatever price

[0:36:46] Voice 28: they select if it was sixty dollars eighty dollars 120 200 they think at some point you have to be

[0:36:52] Voice 28: able to identify why we selected that number they've never been able to do that so very

[0:36:57] Voice 28: disappointing so

[0:36:58] Voice 10: they can make interest on our money yeah that's why yeah

[0:37:02] Voice 28: um i think i should

[0:37:05] Voice 28: be just brief is that it is you know we're doing our best we're we have a wonderful set of trustees

[0:37:12] Voice 28: these wonderful set of staff. And you know, you just leave

[0:37:17] Voice 28: these trustee reports doing a lot. And we're trying to

[0:37:20] Voice 28: properly represent you and I'm pretty proud of what's going on.

[0:37:23] Voice 28: So thank you. So I'm going to turn over now to your director

[0:37:27] Voice 28: Craig for her report. And then she will meld in with the

[0:37:33] Voice 28: people.

[0:37:33] Voice 28: Thank

[0:37:34] Trustee Elliott: you. I appreciate the invitation, as always, to join

[0:37:39] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[0:37:40] Voice 7: and I was just going to add on the BC Thursday, the advisory committee sent a

[0:37:45] Voice 14: letter objecting, that was years ago, to the increase in the amount of experience.

[0:37:52] Voice 14: So yes, it's, yeah,

[0:37:55] Trustee Elliott: that's four people isn't quite accurate.

[0:37:56] Trustee Elliott: it um thanks to trustee elliot and the islands trust for your leadership and getting the um

[0:38:03] Trustee Elliott: tiny home project going because it was a great opportunity to get builders and rdn staff who do

[0:38:11] Trustee Elliott: the building and bylaw and service providers as well as i was trust planning people all in one

[0:38:17] Trustee Elliott: room together which made us realize that that tiny homes are actually being built to building

[0:38:24] Trustee Elliott: standard like building code standard basically already now is that there was because they had

[0:38:30] Trustee Elliott: wheels they were kind of thinking they had to build to the RV standard but they've actually

[0:38:35] Trustee Elliott: been exceeding the RV standard and then they're very close to meeting building code so once you

[0:38:40] Trustee Elliott: meet the building code you can get insurance you can do all these good things and then

[0:38:46] Trustee Elliott: wheels were always considered to be some kind of insurmountable issue and turns out they're not

[0:38:52] Trustee Elliott: There's already existing ways of affixing something on wheels properly, so it all makes the building good.

[0:38:58] Trustee Elliott: So tiny homes can be used right now

[0:39:01] Trustee Elliott: where the zoning allows and when they meet the CSA standards.

[0:39:08] Trustee Elliott: So we actually had a really interesting delegation last week on modular homes.

[0:39:15] Trustee Elliott: So the fact that we've got a whole series of housing things happening at the RDN caught the attention of the modular home

[0:39:23] Voice 8: industry because they felt that we were being left out, but it's because they already meet building code standards, so it's more we've been focusing on trying to ensure that

[0:39:36] Voice 7: these alternative

[0:39:36] Trustee Elliott: smaller dwellings

[0:39:38] Voice 7: that currently have been considered not to meet building code, that we can bring them into a standard.

[0:39:46] Voice 7: And so that's been the focus, but it was a really interesting presentation talking about

[0:39:52] Voice 8: the evolution of

[0:39:53] Trustee Elliott: modular homes, which can be built very small.

[0:39:57] Trustee Elliott: They can be on wheels, so they can be tiny homes as well.

[0:40:00] Trustee Elliott: I have a question

[0:40:01] Voice 12: about the tiny homes.

[0:40:03] Voice 12: So you were mentioning that they will be able to be brought up to code.

[0:40:06] Voice 12: What is the estimated cost for a building or a tiny home that's brought up to modern code?

[0:40:14] Voice 12: like is that an affordable option for the community through

[0:40:19] Trustee Elliott: the chair there is a public

[0:40:22] Trustee Elliott: comments portion coming up just after um director craig's update here so that could be the

[0:40:30] Trustee Elliott: opportunity to ask questions um to do that just to make sure we're following the agenda there'll

[0:40:37] Trustee Elliott: an opportunity for comments and i don't feel this is my meeting i i mean i guess so i appreciate

[0:40:45] Trustee Elliott: being able to provide an update um the parks and recreation master plan for area b so recreation

[0:40:51] Trustee Elliott: for gabriella parks for area b uh we received the draft final still had a couple of typos so those

[0:40:58] Trustee Elliott: are being fixed i anticipate that it would be uh probably on next week's board agenda or the one

[0:41:05] Trustee Elliott: And after that, thank you to Trustee Yates, who's been involved in the steering committee the entire time.

[0:41:10] Trustee Elliott: It's been really valuable having the Islands Trust perspective as he's been moving along.

[0:41:16] Trustee Elliott: And obviously, the Gabriel Recreation Society has been a key partner in helping define

[0:41:24] Voice 18: what recreation attributes is desired by the community.

[0:41:28] Voice 18: And then Gold also is a really important partner for

[0:41:31] Voice 16: the RDN and Damien

[0:41:33] Trustee Elliott: were able to implement that.

[0:41:34] Trustee Elliott: So all of that's on, there's a Get Involved website for that.

[0:41:41] Voice 7: Yeah, just a couple of other things.

[0:41:43] Voice 7: We did receive a list of housing-related projects,

[0:41:47] Voice 7: which the RDN is undertaking primarily.

[0:41:49] Voice 7: It's a lot of land use

[0:41:50] Trustee Elliott: issues, so it doesn't actually apply here

[0:41:52] Trustee Elliott: because obviously you were the land use authority.

[0:41:56] Trustee Elliott: But there are some things that the RDN is looking at

[0:41:59] Trustee Elliott: for the other electoral areas.

[0:42:02] Trustee Elliott: Development cost charges.

[0:42:03] Trustee Elliott: We brought in development cost charges for parks in Area B.

[0:42:06] Trustee Elliott: The idea is that land developers fund new park infrastructure to sort of this new development.

[0:42:13] Trustee Elliott: And so we just approved also a reduction in the development cost charges for non-profit rental housing.

[0:42:19] Trustee Elliott: So for non-profit rental housing that is brought in, then the development cost charges will be reduced by 50%.

[0:42:27] Trustee Elliott: And then just another thing I wanted to highlight just for information is that the RDN has entered into a conditional purchase agreement with Mosaic to purchase a 360

[0:42:38] Voice 8: -hectare Hamilton Marsh and the surrounding Old Coastal Douglas Fir Forest.

[0:42:44] Voice 7: It's $30 million. It's very expensive.

[0:42:47] Voice 7: The purchase price was based on independent valuations of the timber and land.

[0:42:51] Trustee Elliott: And it's the prices agreement is conditional on the RDN developing funding partnerships, including the province and conservancy organizations to receive at

[0:43:01] Voice 7: least $7.5 million in donations.

[0:43:03] Voice 7: And so there's various check-ins.

[0:43:05] Voice 7: The first one is November, where we have to have funding agreements in place.

[0:43:08] Voice 7: And then in January, end of January, we have to have received at least $7.5 million in donations.

[0:43:16] Voice 7: But all that information is available online as well.

[0:43:19] Voice 7: so thank you

[0:43:20] Voice 15: good news thank

[0:43:22] Voice 28: you all right so we will now move into the um public comment

[0:43:28] Voice 28: area traditionally speaking i'm not sure how it really does it but it's two to three minutes um

[0:43:35] Voice 28: if you put your hand in the air um we'll acknowledge you when you're acknowledged

[0:43:39] Voice 28: you can just give your name for the minutes if possible um i tend to be pretty flexible um so

[0:43:45] Voice 28: So I will be looking to other people as to when we've done enough, but we'll do it.

[0:43:53] Voice 28: So go ahead.

[0:43:54] Trustee Elliott: And through you, Chair, I'll ask for your patience.

[0:43:58] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:43:59] Trustee Elliott: So I'm going to ask for you to speak loudly when you say your name so we can capture it on the recording.

[0:44:04] Trustee Elliott: I'll be taking it as best as I can this minute, take or take.

[0:44:10] Trustee Elliott: And any questions for the plan, we can see how that goes,

[0:44:15] Trustee Elliott: because there will be an item on the agenda that is going through an update

[0:44:21] Trustee Elliott: from direction for Canada for the LTC so the chair can take all right we have

[0:44:30] Voice 28: hands there I

[0:44:31] Voice 18: just wanted to briefly speak on the tiny home passing for

[0:44:37] Voice 18: permits that was just brought

[0:44:38] Voice 19: up I recently looked at a tiny home

[0:44:46] Voice 19: production

[0:44:46] Voice 18: building and their GSA approved tiny homes the size of eight feet by 42 feet

[0:45:01] Voice 18: was $233,000. That's what we're looking for for affordable housing with tiny homes right now.

[0:45:12] Voice 18: Yeah, that is my public comment.

[0:45:17] Voice 27: Just to repeat that number,

[0:45:18] Voice 12: $230,000 more in affordable tiny homes.

[0:45:23] Trustee Elliott: So, if I can respond to that.

[0:45:25] Trustee Elliott: The two, Painted Turtle Consulting, I understand they're not a manufacturer.

[0:45:30] Trustee Elliott: They match tiny home builders with land.

[0:45:35] Trustee Elliott: In the tiny home technical working group, we had two manufacturers,

[0:45:39] Trustee Elliott: tiny home um and sunshine tiny homes which builds in um gibson and their prices range from 150

[0:45:51] Trustee Elliott: i think 155 000 for sunshine up to um yeah the the 42 footers and for mint are over 200 000

[0:46:01] Trustee Elliott: so yeah the absolute smallest lowest um manufacturer designation is around 150

[0:46:08] Trustee Elliott: 50 but they can um absolutely are um a much higher price range so thank you for that

[0:46:18] Voice 27: okay

[0:46:18] Trustee Elliott: we're going to take people one at a time i

[0:46:20] Trustee Elliott: think we should keep a speaker's list

[0:46:22] Trustee Elliott: um how about everybody raise their hand chair or do you want to just go

[0:46:25] Trustee Elliott: well corn style i

[0:46:27] Voice 28: don't know well how many hands are going to be going in there only a couple i

[0:46:32] Voice 28: Yeah, I think I think we can handle this. Go ahead.

[0:46:38] Voice 8: So I'm Nancy Heatherington Pierce. And I have a question

[0:46:42] Voice 8: about the official community plan discussion in the agenda.

[0:46:47] Voice 8: And so specifically on page 25 of the agenda, which is the

[0:46:53] Voice 8: proposed revision of the charter. I just have six really

[0:47:00] Voice 8: really quick questions that I hope you can answer.

[0:47:03] Voice 8: They're very short questions, so

[0:47:05] Voice 28: tell me if,

[0:47:07] Voice 8: I mean, I will go quickly, and they're very short.

[0:47:09] Voice 8: I'm not making comments, I'm just asking questions.

[0:47:11] Voice 28: No, absolutely, I'll just ask, Renee,

[0:47:14] Voice 28: it's, are we, we're gonna have a full conversation

[0:47:17] Voice 28: when it comes on the agenda?

[0:47:18] Trustee Elliott: Through the Chair, yes.

[0:47:20] Trustee Elliott: And I'll capture members of the public's questions

[0:47:24] Voice 8: and clarify what information.

[0:47:27] Voice 27: Okay, cool.

[0:47:27] Voice 8: And it's fine with me if you don't answer them now.

[0:47:30] Voice 8: I won't be here for the discussion, I don't think,

[0:47:32] Voice 8: but I want to place the questions that maybe you can answer.

[0:47:35] Voice 8: So the first one is in the background section.

[0:47:39] Voice 8: I would appreciate you listing the budget for 25 or 26.

[0:47:45] Voice 8: Listed the 24, 25 amount.

[0:47:47] Voice 8: And at the bottom of the page is the 26, 27 amount.

[0:47:51] Voice 8: But if you could add the 25, 26 budget amount, please.

[0:47:55] Voice 8: That's the first one.

[0:47:57] Voice 8: second one is under the deliverables the land and build out analysis that is available in February

[0:48:04] Voice 8: is that map public somewhere um is that an easy answer for you

[0:48:11] Voice 19: to answer right now

[0:48:12] Voice 8: or not so easy

[0:48:19] Trustee Elliott: that'll be in November so and the staff report it states that the um build out map will be

[0:48:26] Trustee Elliott: being presented at the November LTC meeting.

[0:48:29] Voice 8: Okay, thanks.

[0:48:29] Voice 8: I missed that.

[0:48:30] Voice 8: I saw that the water balance will be in November,

[0:48:32] Voice 8: but thank you for that information.

[0:48:34] Voice 8: My third question is further down the legal review,

[0:48:37] Voice 8: what would the review be of?

[0:48:42] Voice 8: So that's my next question,

[0:48:45] Voice 8: but you can,

[0:48:47] Voice 8: do you want to answer it later as part of the discussion

[0:48:50] Voice 8: or now?

[0:48:52] Voice 8: Is there a quick answer?

[0:48:54] Voice 8: Through the chair,

[0:48:55] Voice 8: can you repeat the last question, please?

[0:48:58] Voice 8: Further down in the work plan overview, the deliverable is called legal review, April to June next year. What is the review on?

[0:49:07] Trustee Elliott: Good to share. I can go through most of these questions, all of these questions, then the OCP item.

[0:49:17] Voice 8: The next one, public review draft bylaws slash referrals.

[0:49:23] Voice 8: And I'm thinking here of a lay reader who isn't too familiar with all of this.

[0:49:27] Voice 8: just a little grammar point i think would be more helpful if you had a semicolon after bylaws and

[0:49:33] Voice 8: then a new section referrals sent for comment i think that's what you mean is that those two

[0:49:39] Voice 8: things that happen public review of the draft bylaws and the referrals sent for comments so

[0:49:47] Voice 8: i think that would be helpful for me anyways as a member of the public to change that change

[0:49:52] Voice 8: the next one, phase three, I'd appreciate you spelling out what those two acronyms are.

[0:50:01] Voice 8: I have no idea what DAOA is, so I think that would be helpful in this document to spell

[0:50:07] Voice 8: those out.

[0:50:07] Voice 8: Sorry, what page is that?

[0:50:09] Voice 8: What page?

[0:50:11] Voice 8: I'm still on the charter.

[0:50:12] Voice 8: I'm just going right down on the charter.

[0:50:15] Voice 8: And my last one is the milestone second and third reading.

[0:50:20] Voice 8: When would the public hearing, I think it's important to list when the public hearings

[0:50:26] Voice 8: happen, which I'm assuming is needed before the third reading.

[0:50:32] Voice 8: So I would appreciate you listing when that public hearing would happen.

[0:50:37] Voice 8: So thank you.

[0:50:38] Voice 8: Thank

[0:50:38] Voice 28: you very much.

[0:50:40] Voice 8: We

[0:50:40] Voice 28: have a gentleman in the back over here.

[0:50:51] Voice 13: I think this is a horrible forum to have open conversation in the community about issues

[0:51:02] Voice 13: that are so important that they're going to change the entire demographics, economics

[0:51:07] Voice 13: on what I believe is an OTP that is being rushed through without full and proper community

[0:51:16] Voice 13: input.

[0:51:18] Voice 13: I'm concerned, but my first question is, at the last meeting the trust was ordering a

[0:51:27] Voice 13: legal opinion after the ability of the trust to cancel our remaining densities on our subdivision

[0:51:34] Voice 13: for which we dedicated 770th part to the community.

[0:51:39] Voice 13: So I just would like to know if that legal opinion has been received

[0:51:41] Voice 13: and whether it will be made public.

[0:51:43] Voice 13: That's my first question.

[0:51:45] Voice 13: My second point is I'm pretty quite disturbed.

[0:51:50] Voice 13: I have my son here.

[0:51:51] Voice 13: He's First Nations.

[0:51:53] Voice 13: His brother is First Nations.

[0:51:55] Voice 13: My three children and grandchildren are First Nations.

[0:51:58] Voice 13: And I've worked in the First Nations community for over 30 years.

[0:52:03] Voice 13: So my wife and I started out this process.

[0:52:08] Voice 13: trying to save 770 acres of the park for environmental reasons we engaged the community

[0:52:13] Voice 13: for quite some time and the community supported the concept and the whole purpose was to use our

[0:52:21] Voice 13: land for the subdivision to pay for the park that we gave to the community

[0:52:26] Voice 13: the trust in my own personal view is using the ocp and their

[0:52:35] Voice 13: limited and developed permanent provisions to obstruct us finishing our last 14 laws

[0:52:44] Voice 13: but 150 acres to put the first nation's interests ahead of our private property interests

[0:52:56] Voice 13: there have been many statements made some by the trust some by the first nations that have been

[0:53:01] Voice 13: in my view slanderous and libelous i've never had the opportunity to address them

[0:53:07] Voice 13: and i would like to find out from this trust committee when are the meetings going to be

[0:53:13] Voice 13: where we can have full community meetings where we can have open and transparent conversation

[0:53:18] Voice 13: rather than hearing the sales tip the sales pitch from the trustees about all this wonderful work

[0:53:25] Voice 13: between the first nations i want to know who's looking after my private property because because

[0:53:31] Voice 13: I don't think the island's trust is. I think it abandoned my personal interest and my family's

[0:53:36] Voice 13: interest and Gabriel's interest to accommodate the First Nations, which is really, in my

[0:53:43] Voice 13: view, the duty of the Crown. And I think the trust here is taking on responsibilities

[0:53:49] Voice 13: and liabilities that expose all of us to serious consequences if they make decisions on consultation

[0:53:56] Voice 13: that are incorrect and not consistent with the laws of the country.

[0:54:03] Voice 13: So where I'm sitting now, I'm a little disturbed that there was a map presented at a meeting

[0:54:11] Voice 13: at the Haven that showed the island with a 200-meter buffer around the entire island,

[0:54:17] Voice 13: showed the 770-acre park which we dedicated to the island as a

[0:54:25] Voice 27: protected

[0:54:27] Voice 13: area of some

[0:54:28] Voice 13: kinds. And then the mass that was published in the Sounder is a simple mass that only

[0:54:37] Voice 13: shows the buffer. It doesn't show the 770-acre park. It doesn't show the Kensington land,

[0:54:46] Voice 13: which is another 1,000 acres on the island that is held by the Crown for negotiations

[0:54:53] Voice 13: with the First Nations. That's another 1,000 acres not shown on the map. And there are

[0:54:59] Voice 13: are no specifics of any kind of what this buffer zone means so we have the entire island with a

[0:55:06] Voice 13: 200 meter buffer and we're putting through an ocp or a policy statement and we have no specifics

[0:55:13] Voice 13: of number one is that all the first nations are asking for or are they asking for the return of

[0:55:20] Voice 13: land like mine that's where i'm heading here i think the first nation is saying we're opposed

[0:55:27] Voice 13: opposed, we want that land back, and you people are accommodating us to do that instead of

[0:55:34] Voice 13: allowing the government.

[0:55:35] Voice 13: Chair,

[0:55:35] Trustee Elliott: I think I'll have to interrupt here, because you are attempting to speak for First

[0:55:40] Trustee Elliott: Nations, but you don't have the authority to do so in this space, and I would ask you

[0:55:43] Trustee Elliott: to speak respectfully.

[0:55:45] Voice 13: I didn't hear you say that.

[0:55:46] Voice 13: I don't have

[0:55:46] Voice 13: the authority to speak for First Nations.

[0:55:48] Trustee Elliott: You are attempting to speak for First Nations interests you do not represent.

[0:55:52] Trustee Elliott: I would never speak for First Nations.

[0:55:53] Trustee Elliott: I

[0:55:54] Voice 13: was speaking for me.

[0:55:55] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[0:55:55] Trustee Elliott: You can keep the

[0:55:56] Voice 13: conversation to yourself.

[0:55:57] Voice 13: You don't misinterpret what I say to accommodate your First Nations interests.

[0:56:01] Voice 13: Let's be really clear.

[0:56:04] Voice 13: The province and the federal government has a duty to consult with the First Nations.

[0:56:08] Voice 13: We've been in that process since 2020.

[0:56:12] Voice 13: We have boxes of communication with the First Nations.

[0:56:17] Voice 13: You people are coming in now and preventing, in my view,

[0:56:22] Voice 13: the province from making their decision on consultation by refusing a development permit

[0:56:27] Voice 13: so that my approach would even get to the major transportation who has

[0:56:31] Voice 13: done the consultation and

[0:56:33] Voice 13: you have done none with center statement your consultation has been with the first nation

[0:56:41] Voice 13: our conversation with the problem of the british company for four years

[0:56:45] Voice 13: 20 years before that chair

[0:56:47] Voice 5: i think we've made it you

[0:56:47] Voice 13: haven't asked for an opportunity for us

[0:56:51] Voice 13: to explain the consultation we've been through this is a one-sided process i have to say

[0:56:57] Voice 13: This is not, I'm against the First Nations reconciliation, but this is not that.

[0:57:04] Voice 13: This is expropriation.

[0:57:06] Voice 13: You smile, you smirk.

[0:57:08] Voice 13: You know, in another month, I'm going to have to sell my home to hire a lawyer to sue.

[0:57:15] Voice 13: My kids are going to be on the street.

[0:57:18] Voice 13: My daughter in Vancouver is going to be out of the home in Vancouver because you're stopping me from getting 14 homes on 150 acres.

[0:57:27] Voice 13: that the First Nations, 20 years ago, consented to, contrary to your position, that they only

[0:57:35] Voice 13: had three months, or one month, 30 days consultation. And you know better, if you don't know better,

[0:57:40] Voice 13: you should look at the files I got added to, and you will see the consultation was approved

[0:57:44] Voice 13: by the First Nations and their lawyers. So I'm, that's my point of view, and every Gabor

[0:57:50] Voice 13: Owens should be damn concerned about what this all means for their private property

[0:57:55] Voice 13: YouTube. And this whole thing should be stopped.

[0:57:58] Voice 28: Okay, thank you very much. So we need to move forward. So you

[0:58:08] Voice 28: had your hand up.

[0:58:15] Voice 31: No,

[0:58:16] Voice 28: but please address through through the local

[0:58:18] Voice 31: trust. Yes.

[0:58:20] Voice 29: Right. Just to your

[0:58:23] Trustee Elliott: values.

[0:58:26] Voice 18: I believe you're gone well beyond

[0:58:29] Voice 18: thinking that the Crown can say or act on behalf of Indigenous communities. That is all I want to say.

[0:58:43] Voice 28: Thank you.

[0:58:45] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:58:49] Voice 28: So there was somebody in the back over there that had their hand up previously. There we go.

[0:58:58] Voice 26: I'm with the Budge Island Community Association.

[0:59:02] Voice 26: We missed the September 4th meeting when the project was, we didn't know about it, we didn't

[0:59:10] Voice 26: catch it, and we weren't proactive in finding out about the meeting, catching up on the

[0:59:14] Voice 26: agenda.

[0:59:16] Voice 26: So we've had a bit of miscommunication.

[0:59:18] Voice 26: So I just wanted to address some things that came up in that meeting that we've been there

[0:59:22] Voice 26: will address. So in September, there were some questions about why the derelict vehicles were not in the scope. I wanted to address that. We actually have good bylaws in place and the current enforcement, stopping enforcement actually excludes derelict vehicles. So that in that motion was passed, derelict vehicles are allowed to be enforced, but we're not enforcing that. So we actually face an enforcement problem.

[0:59:52] Voice 26: on their vehicles but it's not that simple because it's cross jurisdiction the problem is

[1:00:00] Voice 26: The Islands Trust is going to have to, or by-law enforcement is going to have to work with MOTI, and it's going to have to work with the RCMP to address the vehicles.

[1:00:07] Voice 26: And that's the level of collaboration that actually is needed to solve the problem.

[1:00:12] Voice 26: We're not really, we're trying to do it, but it's really hard to get all the different pieces working together.

[1:00:18] Voice 26: And that's where we can have some leadership, the Islands Trust, in helping that.

[1:00:21] Voice 26: So that's to answer that question that came up.

[1:00:23] Voice 26: The Trust, the planner said, well, it wasn't a lot of research.

[1:00:27] Voice 26: So it was just it's a jurisdictional issue that we can't solve the land in violence.

[1:00:33] Voice 26: And that's what the scope is. So that's why this is in the scope of this.

[1:00:36] Voice 26: We have good violence. The second thing was we heard that there's some concern and frustration that we're continuing.

[1:00:46] Voice 26: The island is continuing to actually actually actually in our proposal.

[1:00:50] Voice 26: We weren't saying that. What we actually said is the language, the law we have is fine.

[1:00:57] Voice 26: It just needs to be tweaked because it's confusing the way it's written.

[1:01:01] Voice 26: That's what we asked for in that session, not clear change, just clean up the language.

[1:01:06] Voice 26: So it's a very mundane scope that we're looking at.

[1:01:09] Voice 26: So I just wanted to make sure that people understood that.

[1:01:11] Voice 26: We're not going to put a carpet on that's 30 meters with the exception.

[1:01:15] Voice 26: We're actually good with that. It's just right by law so that people understand.

[1:01:19] Voice 26: So it's a tweak.

[1:01:21] Voice 26: We did send a letter about the ACP. It's not on the agenda. That's fine. We're good with that.

[1:01:25] Voice 26: But we just as the trustees and the trust committee is making selections for the ACP, we'd like you to take that into consideration.

[1:01:37] Voice 26: It is on the agenda.

[1:01:38] Voice 26: No, it is on the agenda.

[1:01:39] Voice 26: Okay.

[1:01:40] Voice 26: It wouldn't be a question that would be on the agenda, but that's okay.

[1:01:43] Voice 26: We'd just like you to take that into consideration as you consider the applications and most of the members that we go with.

[1:01:49] Voice 26: Last but not least, there's a bit of miscommunication happening and assumptions made all the time

[1:01:59] Voice 26: on both parts.

[1:02:00] Voice 26: And I think we actually are really, really aligned and trying to get the same things

[1:02:04] Voice 26: accomplished.

[1:02:05] Voice 26: There's just some miscommunication.

[1:02:06] Voice 26: And so what we really like to do is be able to have, with our trustees, an in-camera session

[1:02:12] Voice 26: or an informal session, something like that, 15 or 20 minutes, where we can sort of say,

[1:02:16] Voice 26: to get out of this in an in-camera session that would allow for, you know, back and forth

[1:02:23] Voice 26: communication as opposed to the present feedback thing and present just a dynamic conversation.

[1:02:30] Voice 26: So that's what we're asking for.

[1:02:32] Voice 26: If we can find some time to do that, perhaps in the next trust meeting, it'll be a 20-minute

[1:02:36] Voice 26: in-camera session.

[1:02:38] Voice 26: That's it.

[1:02:38] Voice 26: That's all we have.

[1:02:39] Voice 26: Thank you very much.

[1:02:40] Voice 26: Thank you very much for a really nice little proposal.

[1:02:41] Voice 26: I think the planning team did a really great job.

[1:02:44] Voice 26: actually the Clannery Work Domain called us up because they had questions about the survey

[1:02:49] Voice 26: and that was actually the process. Thank you very much.

[1:02:56] Voice 28: Thank you. Anybody else?

[1:03:00] Voice 14: Just a couple questions. How long has the Islands Trust been an organization?

[1:03:12] Voice 28: And then

[1:03:13] Voice 14: I was just curious, that project, is that a park up there, the very last project

[1:03:19] Voice 14: that you mentioned, is that a park?

[1:03:21] Voice 14: It's a conservation area.

[1:03:22] Voice 14: A conservation area.

[1:03:24] Voice 14: And where is that, on Vancouver Island?

[1:03:25] Voice 14: Yes.

[1:03:26] Voice 14: It's up here.

[1:03:28] Voice 14: Oh, all right.

[1:03:30] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:03:30] Voice 14: Would you mind standing with me for the record?

[1:03:32] Voice 14: Joanna Karcher.

[1:03:34] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:03:38] Voice 14: and my question is around the article that was in this recent sample that went past

[1:03:46] Voice 14: um maybe aligning with what Mr. Gatley was saying about the proposed 200 meter

[1:03:56] Voice 14: buffer zone all around the rural island the article in the sounder

[1:04:01] Voice 14: look just kind of like a gray highlighted area

[1:04:06] Voice 31: and

[1:04:07] Voice 14: as a property owner in that area i have to dig

[1:04:12] Voice 14: very deep i was going to go to the unstressed website where i found the actual property

[1:04:20] Voice 14: ones within that 200 meter buffer and it was quite shocking

[1:04:29] Voice 19: initially thought it went from the high water mark but for

[1:04:32] Voice 14: people who are with properties

[1:04:35] Voice 14: it doesn't go from the high water mark it goes from the edge of your property

[1:04:39] Voice 14: in 745 feet so that's quite a deep buffer zone

[1:04:47] Voice 31: I think there needs to

[1:04:50] Voice 14: be a full, intensive discussion with water property owners that

[1:04:55] Voice 14: are involved in that buffer because the potential for restrictions is very great.

[1:05:06] Voice 14: I was also concerned that the article mentioned that at this point in time, there's no buy-out

[1:05:14] Voice 14: option.

[1:05:15] Voice 14: so is that something that's going to be an option before this all go through so

[1:05:23] Voice 31: things to consider

[1:05:25] Voice 31: thank you

[1:05:27] Voice 27: very much anybody else

[1:05:35] Voice 25: regarding the planning home something

[1:05:38] Voice 24: there it sounds like uh vrbm has sort of conceded that

[1:05:44] Voice 24: as long as you've got a CSA approval on your manufactured home,

[1:05:49] Voice 24: you can start pumping them down on the properties

[1:05:52] Voice 24: really nearly around the island.

[1:05:54] Voice 24: What is enforcement going to be now to,

[1:05:57] Voice 24: like when I built

[1:05:58] Voice 13: the building permit

[1:06:00] Voice 13: and then there's a lot of inspections,

[1:06:02] Voice 13: I had to ensure I had a septic in,

[1:06:04] Voice 13: I had to bring in a lot of power,

[1:06:06] Voice 13: I had to guarantee I had a supply of quality water.

[1:06:09] Voice 26: And so what is going to follow up on that

[1:06:13] Voice 26: ensuring

[1:06:13] Voice 13: that these tiny homes are meeting normal livable requirements

[1:06:19] Voice 24: and not some

[1:06:21] Voice 24: manufacturing thing and somebody's back there that hasn't had inspections. So is our building department

[1:06:27] Voice 24: going to take care of that? Is the file on reports going to take care of that? What does it fall under?

[1:06:32] Voice 24: It sounds like it's just too wide open. I'll answer it in there.

[1:06:38] Trustee Elliott: I'll be happy to pass this out to

[1:06:40] Trustee Elliott: anybody who's interested it's an example of policies and regulations as we are going through

[1:06:46] Trustee Elliott: an OPP review and considering the question of what density is appropriate where it's not in act in

[1:06:56] Trustee Elliott: happening right now the tiny homes can just be plunked anywhere as you're saying

[1:07:02] Trustee Elliott: once zoning is in place for appropriate designations the siting and use

[1:07:11] Trustee Elliott: requirements would be laid out in guidelines just as for any house and so

[1:07:17] Trustee Elliott: I'm happy to talk further with you about this or you can connect with the RDN

[1:07:22] Trustee Elliott: planning department or sorry building inspection department but we do the

[1:07:28] Trustee Elliott: zoning and use, so the siting and use would be regulated to your own interest.

[1:07:32] Voice 25: It's kind of an off-the-cuff remark, I think, saying that as long as you get a CSA approval or whatever, then you're fine.

[1:07:38] Voice 25: I don't think that's the intent.

[1:07:42] Voice 25: There's a lot more fine-adjustable way to do it.

[1:07:44] Voice 14: Absolutely.

[1:07:45] Voice 14: Yep.

[1:07:46] Voice 14: All right.

[1:07:48] Voice 23: Should I see some corner?

[1:08:02] Voice 19: And so I,

[1:08:05] Voice 5: because I'm really curious, I want to be

[1:08:07] Trustee Elliott: able to come to this island and do it

[1:08:08] Trustee Elliott: and serve her well, right?

[1:08:10] Trustee Elliott: And so I think it's really essential that we need to learn what they actually are.

[1:08:15] Trustee Elliott: It's not about not having tiny homes or having a bunch of tiny homes on the property.

[1:08:20] Voice 5: It's about being responsible residents.

[1:08:22] Voice 5: and when she was saying when she says all we need to know is that if it's all wheels it needs

[1:08:26] Voice 5: a free box underneath the frame to be able to hold it in place you have to have a septic you

[1:08:30] Voice 5: have to have water whatever with and impound it would it be solar or how do you see micro

[1:08:37] Voice 5: she was super open about it our

[1:08:39] Voice 18: lead she is the

[1:08:40] Voice 5: manager for the rdn for

[1:08:42] Voice 5: all of the

[1:08:43] Voice 5: permitting i bought her card and everything because she wants to hear and i was gonna

[1:08:48] Voice 5: here but people are like no don't invite her for them to learn what is already here we have to be

[1:08:56] Voice 5: adaptable to learn together i think as a community rather than being anti or being

[1:09:02] Voice 5: before we're not going to win so if we come together as a community and be able to learn

[1:09:08] Voice 5: what is the best way our community wants a small home on the land i think that's the way we go

[1:09:14] Voice 5: so and i have her

[1:09:15] Voice 12: contact so if anybody needs it i'm taking a picture of her car

[1:09:18] Voice 12: she's absolutely amazing her name's so i just want to put that out there piece of information

[1:09:41] Voice 28: If I

[1:09:42] Trustee Elliott: may just pause, maybe just to be mindful of the exit, if people can come in a little

[1:09:47] Trustee Elliott: bit.

[1:09:48] Trustee Elliott: Oh, I'm going to, I'm just going to push my, I've never seen such a full trust.

[1:09:58] Trustee Elliott: We're such a diverse group. This is amazing. Can I take a picture? This is like the baddest ever.

[1:10:10] Voice 19: That's for you, David.

[1:10:18] Voice 31: Laura owes you a beer.

[1:10:24] Voice 27: All right.

[1:10:37] Voice 31: Thanks,

[1:10:39] Trustee Elliott: everyone.

[1:10:41] Trustee Elliott: Did you keep the door open back there, just so we can keep some air flow in?

[1:10:46] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:10:48] Trustee Elliott: We've

[1:10:48] Voice 27: got one already.

[1:10:56] Voice 23: Oh, my goodness.

[1:11:11] Voice 23: Bye, much.

[1:11:13] Voice 23: Thank you for coming.

[1:11:14] Voice 23: Thanks for coming.

[1:11:15] Voice 23: And their relationship to the Crown through

[1:11:40] Voice 25: the Indian Act, which will make this meeting

[1:11:42] Voice 25: leaving everything else that you're talking about null and void, because everything has

[1:11:48] Voice 25: to be affirmed through the Indian Act via crowds. So do your research, make

[1:11:55] Voice 24: sure you're

[1:11:57] Voice 24: getting into the right path. And it's not just one path, there's many. But there's something

[1:12:07] Voice 25: bigger behind this, if you guys really do research on you, look it over, present it

[1:12:14] Voice 25: back to the public this is not a one-person agenda this is worldwide the indian events

[1:12:22] Voice 20: and

[1:12:25] Voice 20: the wall that you have

[1:12:29] Voice 25: to come up against

[1:12:31] Voice 25: indigenous will not retain any ownership over gabriel chair i'm

[1:12:37] Trustee Elliott: sorry what does this have to

[1:12:38] Trustee Elliott: do with the business before us today of the local trust committee that we can address

[1:12:45] Voice 29: If you were to do your proper research and you are not, you're deflecting, you're electing to do a job, you're not doing it, get the truth out. Be smart.

[1:12:59] Voice 28: Thank you very much.

[1:13:01] Voice 28: You're very welcome.

[1:13:02] Voice 28: Go ahead.

[1:13:04] Voice 18: First, if there is comments that are obviously antagonistic and violence, are we going to have to ask you to leave?

[1:13:12] Voice 28: Don't vote.

[1:13:14] Voice 18: The proof

[1:13:15] Voice 25: is not Iconistic.

[1:13:16] Voice 5: I'm not talking to you.

[1:13:17] Voice 25: Yeah, of course you're not.

[1:13:19] Voice 25: I have

[1:13:20] Voice 25: to go back to Bertha right now. You guys dwell on what I said.

[1:13:24] Voice 18: So sad to see you go.

[1:13:26] Voice 25: Oh, I can stay and argue with you, but you're not, you're not, you're not Bertha.

[1:13:31] Voice 29: Fuck the folks, fuck us.

[1:13:34] Voice 29: Hold on, hold on.

[1:13:36] Voice 29: I only speak the truth.

[1:13:39] Voice 11: Anybody else?

[1:13:40] Voice 11: this is

[1:13:41] Voice 18: primarily for understanding why and how these meetings can be held during work hours

[1:13:50] Voice 18: yes you see all these people but a lot of these people have had to take

[1:13:54] Voice 18: time out of their days

[1:13:55] Voice 3: and

[1:13:56] Voice 18: not go to work to attend a public meeting that affects all of us

[1:14:11] Voice 12: on an island which is diverse and multi-generational having meetings during

[1:14:17] Voice 12: business hours is much easier for retirees to attend and much harder for younger working

[1:14:23] Voice 12: families to attend so if you want to hear the voices of the younger working families

[1:14:28] Voice 12: These need to happen in after-business hours.

[1:14:31] Voice 20: Absolutely.

[1:14:31] Voice 20: There's

[1:14:32] Voice 14: only eight a year.

[1:14:34] Voice 14: And

[1:14:34] Voice 20: not doing that says

[1:14:36] Voice 14: that you don't want to hear

[1:14:37] Voice 14: our voices heard.

[1:14:37] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:14:38] Voice 14: Can

[1:14:39] Trustee Elliott: you comment on that?

[1:14:41] Trustee Elliott: So coming into this term, one of my commitments to this

[1:14:45] Trustee Elliott: community was accessible, inclusive meeting times

[1:14:50] Trustee Elliott: and dates.

[1:14:51] Trustee Elliott: And I asked that very question, whether we could hold meetings

[1:14:55] Trustee Elliott: after regular working hours and on weekends and it's it shared back with me and perhaps

[1:15:06] Trustee Elliott: had some information that because all of our staff is unionized except for 11

[1:15:14] Trustee Elliott: excluded staff so across the trust area everybody is in the BCGEU

[1:15:18] Trustee Elliott: um we can't that the union cannot require workers to work after business hours and so there is a

[1:15:28] Trustee Elliott: limit um but hearing that and i absolutely respect um the point of that is that to have an inclusive

[1:15:36] Trustee Elliott: and diverse community conversation we need to have opportunity for that and so um how can we

[1:15:44] Trustee Elliott: bridge that i i don't know but i'm really glad you're all here and

[1:15:49] Voice 18: yeah

[1:15:50] Trustee Elliott: we have to do better

[1:15:52] Trustee Elliott: is

[1:15:53] Voice 18: your meeting right now right now

[1:15:55] Voice 18: are we

[1:15:57] Voice 6: not having a meeting

[1:15:57] Voice 18: we are having a meeting

[1:15:59] Voice 18: it is tough

[1:16:01] Voice 28: but but just realistically though we're having a meeting but we've actually we've

[1:16:05] Voice 28: had to defer some items such as a policy statement discussion because we do not have the staff

[1:16:10] Trustee Elliott: staff person to do seven local trust committees um and minute taking and that just isn't sustainable

[1:16:16] Trustee Elliott: so this would not be an appropriate model to um to do you can't just have four managers doing all

[1:16:25] Trustee Elliott: the work of of 60 people

[1:16:27] Voice 23: so

[1:16:29] Voice 10: may i may i also respond to that very briefly so um i have been

[1:16:34] Voice 10: been a trustee for four terms from the 1980s to now with a long spate in between when I was

[1:16:41] Voice 10: parenting and I had a full-time job and I worked overseas and we did used to have meetings in the

[1:16:47] Voice 10: evening and so many people complained that they didn't want to drive in the dark to a

[1:16:52] Voice 10: meeting so however it did allow working people to come to a meeting after work hours but the

[1:17:02] Voice 10: The other thing, the other comment that I remember from the 80s and the 90s was that how are young working people going to come to an evening meeting when they have so much to do for their children to go to school the next day?

[1:17:14] Voice 10: And how are they going to get child care and on and on?

[1:17:17] Voice 10: There is one solution to this, and it has to do with our budget, which we are, which is coming up, talking about the budget of the next financial planning committee meeting.

[1:17:28] Voice 10: if we can budget for staff to work overtime or extra hours or hours that are not part of their

[1:17:35] Voice 10: normal working day that is a possibility and it is certainly worth discussing and i am so

[1:17:42] Voice 10: appreciative of every one of you being here today because i know what it takes to attend a meeting

[1:17:48] Voice 10: during working hours so thank you thank

[1:17:53] Trustee Elliott: you chair um so i'm mindful to not discuss staffing

[1:17:58] Trustee Elliott: resources which is more of a personnel matter and a consideration that would happen with regards to

[1:18:04] Trustee Elliott: operations in any direction from trust council the comment has been made about when to hold

[1:18:14] Trustee Elliott: lgc business meetings so that's a comment to capture in the minutes how that happened

[1:18:20] Trustee Elliott: i think is a conversation with trust counsel and with senior management to talk about any changes

[1:18:27] Trustee Elliott: so um that's the comment i'll make but i'm mindful to not engage in discussion

[1:18:34] Trustee Elliott: can i

[1:18:35] Trustee Elliott: make one more comment but

[1:18:36] Trustee Elliott: you could

[1:18:37] Voice 29: hold it at the end of a business day and then people

[1:18:40] Voice 29: aren't coming here from new york every day which is a lot more disruptive than how they only work

[1:18:45] Voice 29: like in hours or call

[1:18:46] Voice 20: or

[1:18:48] Voice 27: anything so bring it back is

[1:18:50] Voice 5: there any way that we can have a sub trustees

[1:18:53] Voice 5: that where you like there's a community and community wants to meet so rather than eight

[1:18:58] Voice 5: times a year why won't why don't we create a community sub trust community that can transfer

[1:19:03] Voice 5: information to do when the meetings come up then we get to our meetings sounds like federal

[1:19:15] Voice 28: There are

[1:19:16] Trustee Elliott: different models on different islands. The Leskete community, which I have the privilege

[1:19:27] Trustee Elliott: of chairing, when they engaged in their OTP review first, starting in 2018, they have

[1:19:32] Trustee Elliott: have a really strong uh let's give you community association um and they chose to take a different

[1:19:39] Trustee Elliott: path and sort of a hybrid model where the community association met and did all this talking outside

[1:19:45] Trustee Elliott: of local trust committee structured hours um without a planner presence and so and then

[1:19:51] Trustee Elliott: brought all that information back in for periodic um regular local trust committee meetings um i

[1:19:58] Trustee Elliott: I have got to see the result of that as I came in as a chair in 2022.

[1:20:03] Trustee Elliott: And I think one of your early meetings, not to put you on the spot, but you had a document that was very visionary and aspirational.

[1:20:13] Trustee Elliott: And then it didn't have sort of the guardrails of what's actually possible in legislation or what the answer is to do.

[1:20:20] Trustee Elliott: And so there's a lot of work to be done, I think, in laying out a framework of how community can take ownership over the discussion,

[1:20:28] Trustee Elliott: take those topic areas work them through and then bring that information back and so we need some

[1:20:33] Trustee Elliott: structure um but i'm hearing that we need some freedom too and i think there's a lot of room

[1:20:39] Trustee Elliott: for that um i think we could do it successfully on gabriela see it not work so well um but perhaps

[1:20:45] Trustee Elliott: going forward there's a lot more room for community engagement and i'm just so happy to see

[1:20:49] Trustee Elliott: all here talking about this okay

[1:20:52] Voice 29: uh

[1:20:57] Voice 18: volunteering hours of the abc

[1:21:06] Voice 18: i'm just

[1:21:07] Trustee Elliott: wondering if people would feel if i took a panoramic picture because i don't

[1:21:13] Trustee Elliott: think the paper is here and i think this is just an amazing

[1:21:16] Trustee Elliott: Is Derrick here?

[1:21:17] Voice 20: Yeah.

[1:21:20] Voice 18: Yay for Derrick.

[1:21:21] Voice 18: Turn out.

[1:21:24] Voice 31: I'm

[1:21:24] Voice 28: glad it's going to be recorded.

[1:21:32] Voice 23: Chair,

[1:21:35] Trustee Elliott: I want to recognize that there are

[1:21:38] Trustee Elliott: quite a few people here

[1:21:39] Trustee Elliott: making

[1:21:39] Voice 19: public comments, so if there

[1:21:42] Voice 19: if there are

[1:21:45] Voice 19: any more uh comments i'm

[1:21:47] Trustee Elliott: just maybe it might be helpful to know if there's particular items on

[1:21:52] Trustee Elliott: the agenda we didn't want to hear about and suggest that maybe those can get looped up sooner okay

[1:22:01] Voice 27: i'm just kind of curious i don't know a lot about all the processes going on but i i'm

[1:22:07] Voice 27: curious if it's about safety of the people in these buildings and all this stuff is about

[1:22:12] Voice 27: But overpopulating areas, or is it about permits and money and all that goes down?

[1:22:19] Voice 27: What's the main issue?

[1:22:22] Voice 27: The safety that people are going to be selling?

[1:22:24] Voice 27: Because the three of them are going to be...

[1:22:40] Voice 28: Okay, so any other questions, but also that Renee sort of brought up is that is, is everybody

[1:22:48] Voice 28: everybody here for one particular topic? Yeah, I'll

[1:22:51] Voice 28: leave you on that. Yeah. So

[1:22:53] Voice 28: so

[1:22:54] Voice 12: here for housing right delegation chair

[1:23:00] Trustee Elliott: is there is a

[1:23:02] Trustee Elliott: delegation coming up. We can move to that next. And there's

[1:23:08] Trustee Elliott: also an item about a major project that gave me a little

[1:23:12] Trustee Elliott: bit of a major project as an update on some other items,

[1:23:15] Trustee Elliott: which can also and there are some questions during yeah so just to reiterate that there

[1:23:22] Trustee Elliott: is no discussion after public comment period this is their opportunity i don't think folks

[1:23:28] Trustee Elliott: necessarily know that okay so

[1:23:36] Voice 29: yeah

[1:23:36] Voice 28: so so this is your chance to comment on what's going forward on the agenda we can adjust

[1:23:42] Voice 28: the agenda for the particular issues because i'm mindful of the time we're coming up at noon

[1:23:47] Voice 28: so we have a scheduled break which maybe we want to defer a little bit so we can sort of instead of

[1:23:53] Voice 28: so how do you want to reorder things well

[1:23:58] Trustee Elliott: this is the public's time um if there's no further

[1:24:02] Trustee Elliott: questions or comments i i think we'll close the public comment time

[1:24:05] Trustee Elliott: and we'll move into the

[1:24:06] Trustee Elliott: delegation which it seems most people are here for yes but

[1:24:09] Trustee Elliott: just know that there's no discussion

[1:24:10] Trustee Elliott: after this we'll proceed with the agenda and the rest of our business okay okay so this is your

[1:24:16] Trustee Elliott: opportunity clarification

[1:24:18] Voice 21: so after the delegation presents there's no public comment on that

[1:24:27] Voice 23: isn't

[1:24:27] Voice 22: that what it's about the

[1:24:29] Trustee Elliott: public comment period is your opportunity to comment on anything

[1:24:32] Trustee Elliott: on the agenda and so once that's closed we'll proceed with the next item which is which is

[1:24:38] Trustee Elliott: the delegation and then the rest of the business so if you want to comment on the delegation or

[1:24:43] Trustee Elliott: or anything else, now is your time.

[1:24:50] Voice 23: Okay.

[1:25:01] Voice 23: Do

[1:25:01] Voice 27: you want to go? Okay.

[1:25:03] Voice 27: We have sessions here.

[1:25:05] Voice 27: You

[1:25:05] Trustee Elliott: can be mindful that this is a business meeting.

[1:25:08] Trustee Elliott: You could decide to give another certain allocation of time

[1:25:12] Trustee Elliott: for a couple of comments, if you'd like to do that after the deli.

[1:25:20] Voice 27: it

[1:25:21] Voice 28: sounds like the consensus is we'll go on to the delegation now if nobody has any other

[1:25:25] Voice 28: questions so we'll do delegations and then we'll come back for some more questions

[1:25:30] Voice 28: all

[1:25:30] Voice 25: right i'm glad

[1:25:34] Voice 28: i'm not being escorted to the ferry so this is good

[1:25:36] Voice 28: all right so delegation how who what who's presenting about what

[1:25:42] Voice 28: Do it.

[1:25:43] Voice 20: Do it.

[1:25:44] Voice 20: We have a chair.

[1:25:45] Voice 28: We

[1:25:46] Voice 20: have a chair. There are

[1:25:48] Voice 20: people

[1:25:49] Voice 23: talking at party

[1:25:50] Voice 23: because

[1:25:50] Voice 3: I'm stepping in here.

[1:25:53] Voice 20: On the

[1:25:57] Voice 3: agenda regarding housing

[1:25:59] Voice 3: concerns,

[1:25:59] Trustee Elliott: I'm in Gabriel Live.

[1:26:01] Trustee Elliott: So I believe

[1:26:01] Trustee Elliott: there might be a couple members

[1:26:02] Trustee Elliott: speaking through him.

[1:26:04] Trustee Elliott: So do you want to introduce yourselves

[1:26:07] Trustee Elliott: for the

[1:26:08] Trustee Elliott: minutes?

[1:26:10] Trustee Elliott: And the delegation, you have

[1:26:13] Trustee Elliott: We have about 10, 15 minutes of the share panel, so we've got it all down.

[1:26:18] Voice 12: Yeah, we've got it all clear.

[1:26:20] Voice 23: I'll start.

[1:26:21] Voice 12: I just want to say I've got a little bit of a cold, so one of my ears is plugged.

[1:26:27] Voice 12: My name is Kelsey Rush, and thank you all so much for the opportunity to speak today.

[1:26:33] Voice 12: We are here today to share our story about recent enforcement action by the Regional

[1:26:38] Voice 12: District of the Nantucket, who I'll be referring to from here on out as the RDN, and to ask the

[1:26:45] Voice 12: Islands Trust to help protect this community, its residents, and its values. Today, Sally and I are

[1:26:52] Voice 12: going to talk about the enforcement situation that we're facing with the RDN, the housing and

[1:26:58] Voice 12: ecological solutions that we've already created, and how the Islands Trust can support us through

[1:27:05] Voice 12: tools it already has. It's moratorium on evictions, temporary use permits, and the upcoming OCP

[1:27:12] Voice 12: rezoning process. I was one of the first people to move on to 750 South Road. My partner Charlie

[1:27:20] Voice 12: and I built our home there with our own hands more than a decade ago, and we've been part of

[1:27:24] Voice 12: that community. Part of why it's become a social hub on the island ever since. Having an affordable

[1:27:32] Voice 12: affordable home has given us the stability and flexibility to build meaningful lives here.

[1:27:38] Voice 12: It's allowed us to start small businesses, renovate other homes, invest back into the

[1:27:44] Voice 12: community, and raise our family. That's what affordable, accessible housing makes possible,

[1:27:49] Voice 12: a real sustainable life on Gabriel Island. Now Thalia is going to introduce herself.

[1:27:55] Voice 12: For those

[1:27:55] Voice 18: of you that don't know me, I'm Thalia Postulakis.

[1:27:59] Voice 18: I moved to Gabriela in 2018 from Vancouver, where the cost of living had become impossible.

[1:28:08] Voice 18: I was working two jobs just to afford rent, and there was no way I could ever imagine owning or building my own home.

[1:28:15] Voice 18: When I came to Gabriela, I was welcomed into the community of 750 South Road.

[1:28:20] Voice 18: I was invited to live there, to have my friends come and live there, to have my family be there.

[1:28:28] Voice 18: and eventually I was able to build one of the beautiful handmade homes,

[1:28:32] Voice 18: something that never would have been possible in the city. Since then I've raised my child here.

[1:28:38] Voice 18: I work in the community at Roundup at the swap shop where I own a small tattoo studio

[1:28:44] Voice 18: and I also teach dance at Mara's studio. I've seen firsthand how much 750 South Road contributes to

[1:28:51] Voice 18: wider community is provided not just housing but connection stability and culture for so many people

[1:29:00] Voice 18: now to kelsey on our rdn enforcement for

[1:29:02] Voice 12: those who don't know what's been happening

[1:29:04] Voice 12: i need to give you guys a little bit of background information on what we've been dealing with

[1:29:08] Voice 12: with the rdn there's some like dates and back and forth in here so it's a little bit boring so just

[1:29:12] Voice 12: bear with me while i get all the facts out um about a year ago the rdn came to our property

[1:29:18] Voice 12: at 750 south road and posted do not occupy notices on our homes homes that have stood

[1:29:23] Voice 12: safely for more than a decade we were blindsided these are hand-built well-maintained homes that

[1:29:31] Voice 12: have sheltered families for years without issue at that point we didn't know what to do we were

[1:29:36] Voice 12: given conflicting advice from people in the know some some said to dispute the orders and to

[1:29:41] Voice 12: continue to live there others told us we needed to start pulling permits immediately we chose to

[1:29:48] Voice 12: dispute the orders, believing that the RDN would act with discretion. We had a positive relationship

[1:29:55] Voice 12: with the previous building inspector and genuinely thought there would be room for dialogue.

[1:30:00] Voice 12: We had already gone through the process of permitting a house on the property.

[1:30:04] Voice 12: We obtained occupancy and the file was closed with the RDN in 2019.

[1:30:09] Voice 12: The previous building inspector that we were dealing with knew about all of the homes on the property,

[1:30:15] Voice 12: deemed them safe as dwellings and closed for sale.

[1:30:18] Voice 12: He said, and I quote, while he was sitting in the kitchen doing the interview with us,

[1:30:22] Voice 12: I love what you guys are doing here.

[1:30:26] Voice 12: This time around, when the RDN came to our property last year,

[1:30:29] Voice 12: The RDN has not actively discretioned. Instead, enforcement escalated.

[1:30:35] Voice 12: Carl, the property owner, was issued more than $10,000 in fines.

[1:30:40] Voice 12: On July 14th of this year, we had a meeting with the RDN, and we were promised a fair path forward, one that was realistic and attainable.

[1:30:49] Voice 12: We agreed together that we would permit one house at a time, which meant that we could bring one house up to code at a time.

[1:30:56] Voice 12: And while that process was happening, we were told that the other buildings and residents would be left alone.

[1:31:03] Voice 12: This process can take around two years.

[1:31:05] Voice 12: We accepted that path and acted in good faith.

[1:31:08] Voice 12: We engaged a draftsperson who's here today, consulted with an architect, created site plans, and stayed in constant contact

[1:31:17] Voice 23: with the RDN.

[1:31:18] Voice 23: But the RDN has since retracted that agreement 16.

[1:31:26] Voice 23: The

[1:31:27] Voice 12: letter from the lawyer states all of the hog homes must be demolished by October 20th and the remaining homes, including the home of a senior citizen and long-time Gabriela resident, must be demolished or have permits submitted by December 1st.

[1:31:44] Voice 12: Most permit applications take around six months to a year to complete.

[1:31:48] Voice 12: These are completely unattainable deadlines.

[1:31:52] Voice 12: They changed the terms of our agreement in a way that has left us scrambled.

[1:31:56] Voice 12: We have written correspondence, witnesses, and a documented timeline confirming that we were following their agreed-upon actions.

[1:32:04] Voice 12: We engaged in a meeting with the RDN on September 24th with Carl Bean, the property owner, and my partner, Charlie.

[1:32:12] Voice 12: And we questioned the retraction of the initial agreement and asked for a summarization of the meeting, to which we received a lesser threat of one clubhouse must be demolished by October 20th, and one of the conventionally built homes.

[1:32:26] Voice 12: requires a completed building permit by october the point level the correspondence was filled with

[1:32:31] Voice 12: bail threats and we were reminded that if we don't meet this impossible and harmful deadline

[1:32:37] Voice 12: that all remaining houses must have demolition permits by december 1st i just want to point out

[1:32:43] Voice 12: that the houses at 750 south road at their height house 25 community members it's considerable

[1:32:50] Voice 12: terrible. You can imagine this has been incredibly stressful for all of us. I don't want to be here

[1:32:57] Voice 12: today. I don't like speaking in front of people. This is not what I want to be doing. I don't think

[1:33:01] Voice 12: it's what any of us wants to do. Beautiful day. Thank you for doing it. We firmly believe that

[1:33:09] Voice 12: if this matter were ever brought before a judge, there would be a strong case for an injunction to

[1:33:13] Voice 12: allow our process. The facts are on our side. But

[1:33:16] Voice 12: the reality is that the timeline is impossibly

[1:33:19] Voice 12: short. We are being told that we must demolish homes by October 20th, less than three weeks

[1:33:24] Voice 12: from the date that we received notice. Hiring legal representation is a considerable financial

[1:33:30] Voice 12: burden, and we're convinced that this is an awful timeline of intention, a form of pressure

[1:33:35] Voice 12: meant to force us into tearing down homes that we know are safe, structurally sound,

[1:33:40] Voice 12: and that we can

[1:33:41] Voice 12: bring up to code with the help of qualified engineers. I have spoken personally

[1:33:45] Voice 12: with a structural engineer to bring our cop home on to quote and we have been trying for 10 days now

[1:33:52] Voice 12: to arrange a meeting with the RDN to find out exactly what it is that we need to do

[1:33:56] Voice 12: and they still have not responded to my needs as we wait for him to get back to us the October

[1:34:03] Voice 12: 20th deadline keeps closer and closer this process has put our entire community under immense stress

[1:34:10] Voice 12: and displacing these people will cause irreparable harm as we head into winter

[1:34:14] Voice 12: turn. We are not avoiding compliance. We are being

[1:34:18] Voice 12: cornered by unrealistic deadlines and make cooperation

[1:34:20] Voice 12: nearly impossible. And to give you an idea of how strict

[1:34:24] Voice 12: enforcement has become, my woodshed currently has a do not

[1:34:28] Voice 12: occupy order on it.

[1:34:32] Voice 12: It's true. That's all of our tax dollars are going to make sure

[1:34:36] Voice 12: that I can't keep my firewood dry. It's actually that heading

[1:34:41] Voice 18: over to Taliesin. Why does this matter? So I asked, why does this matter? Why does it matter?

[1:34:50] Voice 18: This is a housing right that's being totally

[1:34:55] Voice 18: derailed. The homes, the people, and the community at 750 South Road are under threat.

[1:35:00] Voice 18: What's happening here isn't just about a few buildings, it's about

[1:35:03] Voice 18: the future of Gabriola.

[1:35:06] Voice 18: This matters because these homes have provided safe, affordable,

[1:35:10] Voice 18: affordable, long-term housing for island residents, artists, tradespeople, families, seniors,

[1:35:16] Voice 18: and young parents, people who live, raise families, and work here, people who contribute

[1:35:22] Voice 18: to the local astronomy, people who are deeply woven into the fabric of this community.

[1:35:28] Voice 18: These houses have served the community as affordable rentals and homeowner-built homes.

[1:35:33] Voice 18: And what I mean by

[1:35:35] Voice 18: affordable is $600 a month.

[1:35:44] Voice 18: that is something that we all want to see am i wrong no there's also more than housing

[1:35:52] Voice 18: 750 south road has been integral to the rural culture of gabriola for years it has been a

[1:35:57] Voice 18: cultural hub it's a space where people collaborate farm build homes share traits and skills and

[1:36:04] Voice 18: support one another through real life it's also a meeting place where friends neighbors and

[1:36:10] Voice 18: families gather to share meals experiences celebrations and memorials where children

[1:36:15] Voice 18: are raised and nurtured 750 south road had also fostered multi-generational housing with seniors

[1:36:24] Voice 18: and children alike it's the kind of place that keeps the island vibrant and connected the kind

[1:36:29] Voice 18: of place that embodies what the island's trust wants to protect affordable community creativity

[1:36:33] Voice 18: and sustainable rural life what's happening at 750 south road raises a much larger question

[1:36:42] Voice 18: what kind of island are we building towards what kind of community are we building towards

[1:36:49] Voice 18: i'd like to shift this now and talk about the moratorium the islands trust role in this

[1:36:53] Voice 18: the islands trust 2022 resolution to defer enforcement on non-compliant dwellings

[1:36:59] Voice 18: housing is a clear declaration that in times of a housing crisis crisis displacement should

[1:37:05] Voice 18: not be the first answer we understand that we are under both rbn and islands trust jurisdiction

[1:37:12] Voice 18: jurisdiction, we know that the trust is not able to overrule the RDN bylaw enforcement.

[1:37:18] Voice 18: So we wonder if the trust values include a moratorium on evictions under their own jurisdiction,

[1:37:25] Voice 18: how can that moratorium be meaningful if the RDN is still allowed to move in issue demolition

[1:37:31] Voice 18: orders or enforce harsh fines during a housing crisis?

[1:37:40] Voice 18: I'm

[1:37:41] Voice 9: going to pass it on to

[1:37:42] Voice 18: Kelsey because we're going to tie this into how our property

[1:37:46] Voice 18: works with the Official Community Plan.

[1:37:49] Voice 12: Thank you, Talia.

[1:37:50] Voice 12: Recently, the Islands Trust hosted a housing symposium, a discussion on the future of housing

[1:37:57] Voice 12: on Gabriola and how it ties into the new Official Community Plan, the OCP.

[1:38:02] Voice 12: One of the strongest themes was building more with less.

[1:38:07] Voice 12: Clustered housing, shared resources, protecting and preserving water, and building community around the village core.

[1:38:14] Voice 12: At that same symposium, our property at 750 South Road was circled on the map as one of the large rural properties close to the village core that could be envisioned for cluster housing.

[1:38:25] Voice 12: We

[1:38:26] Voice 23: want to point it out.

[1:38:27] Voice 12: We already have it.

[1:38:29] Voice 12: We're already doing it.

[1:38:31] Voice 12: We've created community, clustered housing, shared resources, and dug ponds that preserve and replenish groundwater.

[1:38:41] Voice 12: We have cop homes on 750 South Road that aren't being easily granted an option for permit applications by the RDN because of their unconventional building style.

[1:38:51] Voice 12: We are fighting for these homes to be recognized and permanent.

[1:38:54] Voice 12: We believe building cop homes aligns strongly with the OCP's building more with less.

[1:39:02] Voice 12: mandate and has a direct positive impact on our island's ecosystems so how to clock home

[1:39:10] Voice 12: with carbon earth homes you dig ponds restore wetlands and provide habitat for migrating birds

[1:39:18] Voice 12: while providing the materials for your house it's sand and clay from the excavated pond site

[1:39:23] Voice 12: and then you source straw from your by farm these homes are carbon negative fire resistant and

[1:39:30] Voice 12: affordable. Our house costs around $26 a square foot to build. $26 a square foot compared to $500

[1:39:39] Voice 12: a square foot, which is what the going rate on Gabriel is right now. This isn't just about

[1:39:45] Voice 12: housing. It's ecosystem restoration, which directly aligns with the Islands Trust mandate to protect

[1:39:51] Voice 12: land, water, biodiversity, and culture while supporting sustainable communities. What the

[1:39:58] Voice 12: OCP envisions for the future, clustered, sustainable, multi-generational living near the village

[1:40:03] Voice 12: is how we are already living today. Susan Yates, your daughter lived on this property

[1:40:10] Voice 12: and we loved it when she was there. Yet instead of being protected as a model of building

[1:40:15] Voice 12: more with less, our homes and our community are undertrend. So I'm going to hand you over

[1:40:20] Voice 12: to Tali after our requests from the High Value of Distrust.

[1:40:24] Voice 12: Respectful requests.

[1:40:25] Voice 18: Respectful for us.

[1:40:27] Voice 18: we are not asking for special treatment we are asking for fairness protection and time one

[1:40:36] Voice 18: we respectfully request the trust to write a strongly worded letter of support to the rdm

[1:40:41] Voice 18: calling for a halt to unfair deadlines demolitions evictions and new fines as we head into winter

[1:40:51] Voice 20: and

[1:40:55] Voice 18: protecting islanders from the threat of having their homes knocked over

[1:40:59] Voice 18: Displacing people, our community members, is not in line with the values of the Islands Trust,

[1:41:04] Voice 18: and we want to stand together to protect our community.

[1:41:07] Voice 12: Number two, temporary use permits, or TUPs.

[1:41:12] Voice 12: Under current Islands Trust zoning at 750 South Road,

[1:41:16] Voice 12: the property is zoned for a main house, a secondary house, and three accessory buildings.

[1:41:20] Voice 12: Those accessory buildings aren't recognized as dwellings, so people have been living in them for years.

[1:41:25] Voice 12: We are asking for temporary use permits to allow continued occupancy while we work towards

[1:41:31] Voice 12: compliance.

[1:41:32] Voice 12: There are precedents for temporary use permits being used across the trust to authorize non-standard

[1:41:38] Voice 12: uses for limited periods.

[1:41:40] Voice 12: We know and we understand that that will not overrule what the RDI is backing up to do.

[1:41:45] Voice 12: And we see this as a strong stance of support from the Islands Trust.

[1:42:00] Voice 12: That support is practical and symbolic, and to us, it really matters.

[1:42:04] Voice 12: And to everyone in this room, I think it really matters.

[1:42:14] Voice 20: We're

[1:42:14] Voice 18: only at four.

[1:42:15] Voice 20: We're

[1:42:15] Voice 18: at number three.

[1:42:16] Voice 20: We

[1:42:17] Voice 18: respectfully request that the grace period and extension while we wait for the new OCP review and rapid rezoning of 750 South Road when the OCP review comes into fruition.

[1:42:28] Voice 18: To allow higher density of tiny homes, earth homes, and clustered dwelling, explicitly recognizing seniors and multi-generational housing near the village core.

[1:42:46] Voice 18: Number four. This will be touching. Sorry. We need the Islands Trust to stand behind its own moratorium on evictions, not just in

[1:42:58] Voice 18: principle, but in action.

[1:43:01] Voice 18: We ask you to uphold that moratorium in both letter and spirit, protecting our communities from eviction, demolition and fines while transitional paths are developed.

[1:43:29] Voice 12: now what we want to do is we want to invite all of you to come and see for yourself

[1:43:35] Voice 12: our property at 750 south road on october 19th at 3 p.m

[1:43:46] Voice 12: we want you to come and walk the property meet the residents

[1:43:49] Voice 12: see the ponds, the homes, the gardens, the creativity, and the community.

[1:43:54] Voice 12: You'll see that we are already doing what the Islands Trust says that it wants for the future of Gabriel.

[1:43:59] Voice 23: This

[1:44:00] Voice 12: is not the time to displace people.

[1:44:03] Voice 12: This is the time to protect housing, protect families, protect ecosystems, and protect the future of Gabriel.

[1:44:10] Voice 12: if i

[1:44:32] Voice 19: may encore i have an addition

[1:44:36] Voice 19: to

[1:44:37] Voice 1: what these girls have shared

[1:44:45] Voice 20: because

[1:44:48] Trustee Elliott: i live on another country i am not as as established

[1:44:54] Trustee Elliott: established as

[1:44:56] Voice 5: 750, but we're under the same ownership and under the same threat.

[1:45:04] Voice 5: So here's me. Your

[1:45:06] Voice 21: name? Kim Blakely, B-L-A-K-E-L-Y. I

[1:45:12] Voice 30: came to 1400 South Road after many years of living

[1:45:16] Voice 30: in a teardown with the

[1:45:18] Trustee Elliott: stress and insecurity of not knowing when or where I was going next.

[1:45:25] Trustee Elliott: Like others, I came here out of desperation due to a serious lack of housing on Gabriola.

[1:45:32] Trustee Elliott: To my delight, I found myself part of a community of hard-working people providing their

[1:45:41] Voice 5: own housing

[1:45:42] Voice 5: security and working towards food security with orchards, gardens and animals while respecting

[1:45:49] Voice 5: the land. I'm a senior living on OAS. My outlook was bleak. Thanks to Stony Ridge Eco Village,

[1:45:58] Trustee Elliott: I feel safe and hopeful for a comfortable future as I age. Unfortunately, the regional

[1:46:06] Trustee Elliott: The regional district of Nanaimo has threatened the landowner with stiff bonds, possible jail time, and

[1:46:14] Voice 7: the demolition of unpermitted structures.

[1:46:17] Trustee Elliott: There's a family of four in a

[1:46:20] Trustee Elliott: beautiful cob home at risk of being unhoused.

[1:46:24] Trustee Elliott: That structure is the heart of our community and an example of eco-friendly building.

[1:46:30] Trustee Elliott: we

[1:46:31] Voice 19: need to be allowed to keep the rules over our heads.

[1:46:37] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:46:46] Voice 28: Okay, so what I'm going to suggest is we move into public

[1:46:51] Voice 28: and then we'll get to some decision-making.

[1:46:54] Voice 28: Does that work for everybody?

[1:46:55] Voice 28: So questions, go ahead, sir.

[1:46:57] Voice 24: So it's more a statement than a question.

[1:47:02] Voice 24: We've lived here for 25 years.

[1:47:06] Voice 20: And the

[1:47:07] Voice 20: thing

[1:47:10] Voice 24: you can't understand which is sitting in front of you is that everybody

[1:47:13] Voice 24: here is part of this community.

[1:47:15] Voice 24: We have nothing to do with the properties.

[1:47:18] Voice 23: We

[1:47:19] Voice 24: have our own, which is all inspected and done according to rules.

[1:47:24] Voice 24: While those rules were necessary and we understand them, all of these people here represent community

[1:47:32] Voice 24: that are still integral to what we do ourselves.

[1:47:35] Voice 24: out. Chris Cook, for example, is not just a chap who lives on the property, he's an

[1:47:39] Voice 24: engineer by training. So when he builds a structure, it's not going to fall down,

[1:47:44] Voice 5: right?

[1:47:47] Voice 24: Same with Andre sitting in the back. He's done magnificent work that will overrun any

[1:47:55] Voice 24: standard that he might have to look at. So this is really about people. These people

[1:48:01] Voice 24: have families these children live on that property this is not about money this is not about rules

[1:48:07] Voice 24: and regs this is about people like i said we have no skin in the game but i can tell you

[1:48:13] Voice 24: without these people our lives here would be very difficult

[1:48:20] Voice 24: one

[1:48:27] Voice 28: of the things for me in decorum we ask people not to applaud we

[1:48:31] Voice 27: don't we don't like to define

[1:48:32] Voice 28: the building basically things okay so if we just sort of merge through without that go ahead please

[1:48:38] Trustee Elliott: My

[1:48:39] Voice 31: name is Timshel Jackson. I was conceived on Gabriela from 43 years ago.

[1:48:47] Voice 31: So

[1:48:47] Voice 18: this is my hometown. I've seen a lot of different iterations and dramas and all that,

[1:48:52] Voice 18: but as it pertains to this current issue, I'm a tradesperson. I came back to this island with a

[1:48:58] Voice 18: Red Seal electrician ticket and provide for the community in that respect. Because

[1:49:03] Trustee Elliott: of my position,

[1:49:04] Trustee Elliott: I spend a lot of time in people's attics and crawlspaces around homes

[1:49:09] Voice 18: that have been grandfathered

[1:49:10] Voice 18: because they

[1:49:11] Voice 19: were built before the RDN came in, and

[1:49:13] Voice 19: also homes that are new builds, including

[1:49:19] Voice 31: the ones at 705 by 750 South Road.

[1:49:23] Trustee Elliott: And I can tell you the horror shows that I've seen that are grandfathered,

[1:49:28] Voice 23: and

[1:49:30] Trustee Elliott: I'm like

[1:49:31] Trustee Elliott: like expletive horror shows versus

[1:49:33] Voice 29: what I've seen personally in some of these

[1:49:37] Voice 29: builds. Like these people who are building these homes are the people who are

[1:49:41] Voice 29: building your homes.

[1:49:45] Voice 18: So

[1:49:46] Voice 29: that's the first point I want to make.

[1:49:47] Voice 29: The second point I want to make it refers back to what Dan was saying.

[1:49:51] Voice 29: Another reason that another thing that I've been involved in by being on other

[1:49:54] Voice 29: people's streets,

[1:49:54] Voice 29: and I've seen some of these do not occupy orders and I've seen them on

[1:49:58] Voice 29: on structures that are covered,

[1:50:01] Voice 18: like restructures, carports that

[1:50:03] Trustee Elliott: are covering RVs, right?

[1:50:05] Trustee Elliott: And if we're allowing people to live in mobile homes, you

[1:50:08] Trustee Elliott: have to understand that they have

[1:50:09] Trustee Elliott: to have the ceilings resealed every two years or they start to leak.

[1:50:13] Trustee Elliott: And in

[1:50:14] Voice 18: a place where black mold is a serious health issue, if we're giving a moratorium

[1:50:20] Voice 18: under the condition that people have to live under tarps, which

[1:50:24] Trustee Elliott: I currently am, FYI, I

[1:50:26] Trustee Elliott: I live in a converted bus that's hooked into a septic

[1:50:29] Voice 18: with water, like totally legit, no impact on the environment that way.

[1:50:32] Voice 18: But I have to live under a tarp because I can't build a roof over my structure.

[1:50:37] Voice 3: And

[1:50:38] Voice 18: I think that if we're talking about health and safety, we need to consider that this

[1:50:45] Trustee Elliott: is in conflict, right?

[1:50:47] Trustee Elliott: Like you can't live in a black mold trailer and have to consider health and safety.

[1:50:51] Trustee Elliott: so we have to have some allocation to allow people if needed to

[1:50:56] Voice 29: build even a temporary

[1:50:58] Voice 29: root structure over their trailers without having to do not occupy a broader body

[1:51:03] Voice 29: and a correlated

[1:51:06] Voice 19: fine and correlating fines there's you know and the waterfall

[1:51:17] Voice 7: hi i'm lee i'm crystal carlson i've been here on the island i've been here for 13 years

[1:51:22] Voice 7: I have been displaced multiple times with all five of my children, multiple times, because people don't want to share.

[1:51:32] Voice 7: And so I have instead have taken my kids and we've done giant road trips to the Northwest Territories.

[1:51:43] Voice 20: We've

[1:51:44] Voice 7: gone to the West Coast and we've gone as far in Calgary as we could.

[1:51:51] Voice 7: we are trying to find a way to survive and

[1:51:57] Voice 20: so

[1:51:58] Voice 7: while i live here and i participate in the schools

[1:52:02] Voice 7: in the preschools i've done home support for many people on this island i show up as a child

[1:52:10] Voice 7: care provider i

[1:52:11] Voice 19: am

[1:52:13] Voice 7: very important to this community and i'm about to become with again

[1:52:22] Voice 7: again okay now we got you exactly okay yeah so this is my point so i as i'm about to be homeless

[1:52:29] Voice 7: again and live in this would be the 10th move in 13 years

[1:52:37] Voice 7: the

[1:52:37] Voice 3: only

[1:52:39] Voice 7: people who are offering me a home

[1:52:43] Voice 7: thousands of people so who else is opening a home for us who else is when i show up to a house and

[1:52:50] Voice 7: And I say, hi, I have five children.

[1:52:52] Voice 7: My older boys only come on the weekend, so they won't be too much of an impact.

[1:52:57] Voice 7: They're very respectful.

[1:52:59] Voice 7: And people come back and say, sorry, I don't think my septic can hold you.

[1:53:03] Voice 7: Sorry, I just feel like that's too many people for my house.

[1:53:08] Voice 7: I actually am really concerned that your boys might actually put a hole in my life.

[1:53:15] Voice 7: These are things that people say to me when I meet with them to look at a house to rent.

[1:53:20] Voice 7: rent i have people say you have so many children i can't possibly imagine how you can pay rent at

[1:53:26] Voice 7: the house i say well i'm a mother of five so the most important thing for me is to have a house

[1:53:35] Voice 20: so

[1:53:36] Voice 7: you getting your rent is actually the top of my list

[1:53:40] Voice 20: and

[1:53:41] Voice 7: before food i will go to the food bank

[1:53:45] Voice 7: and the food recovery and i will go to an animal if i don't have enough

[1:53:49] Voice 7: to load the fishes who is now also funding food here for a phc

[1:53:57] Voice 7: i would rather go to the food bank so i can pay a ridiculous amount for rent

[1:54:04] Voice 7: and then support my children while they play music in our bands at school

[1:54:11] Voice 7: they do karate with mickey j down in the community hall we have music lessons with adam

[1:54:19] Voice 7: kirby who also houses many people and so my question is what are we going to do about this

[1:54:36] Voice 12: maybe a little tired of hearing you talk but i've got one more point to make so

[1:54:40] Voice 12: So with all of our discussions with RDN, we've been hearing over and over again on the bylaws of enforcers.

[1:54:48] Voice 12: Yes, we're telling you that you need to get out of these homes.

[1:54:51] Voice 12: They're not going to allow whatever.

[1:54:53] Voice 12: But don't worry.

[1:54:54] Voice 12: We're going to provide alternative housing for you.

[1:54:57] Voice 12: So we wanted to call them on their block.

[1:54:59] Voice 12: And we had everyone that they were going to be displacing ask them for what the alternative housing options were.

[1:55:04] Voice 12: You know, like everyone in here knows there are no rentals on Gabriel.

[1:55:08] Voice 12: and she came back with oh well we don't actually have anything she says someone to the women's

[1:55:19] Voice 12: shelter in the night so that's what other options are you can

[1:55:23] Voice 1: go from a

[1:55:23] Voice 12: beautiful home that you

[1:55:24] Voice 12: built for your family then see

[1:55:26] Voice 12: where you work with someone who's an

[1:55:27] Voice 12: engineer like a ticket

[1:55:29] Voice 12: carpenter you put the time and energy into building something beautiful for your family

[1:55:33] Voice 12: or you can go sleep at a shelter and that's what their recommendation is and i don't think that's

[1:55:40] Voice 12: good enough go ahead

[1:55:42] Voice 18: oh we did actually ask the rdn we can prove that these structures are safe

[1:55:52] Voice 18: we ask them

[1:55:53] Voice 18: can we get structural engineers and safety engineers to come and test these homes to

[1:56:00] Voice 18: prove that they are safe to live in and they said no they wanted us to apply for permits

[1:56:11] Voice 18: that's completely bureaucratic completely down to money

[1:56:16] Voice 25: can you get a permit for a call yes

[1:56:23] Voice 25: go ahead did we start rebelling or what

[1:56:30] Voice 19: I'm Diana Mover. I've lived here for close to 40 years, brought our three children here.

[1:56:35] Voice 19: We moved here and rented way back in the week six,

[1:56:40] Trustee Elliott: I go by my kids' birthdays.

[1:56:42] Trustee Elliott: And the people that own the house that we rented decided that we talked too much about how wonderful it was,

[1:56:48] Trustee Elliott: so they decided that they were going to move here.

[1:56:50] Trustee Elliott: They gave us like literally a couple of months to get out.

[1:56:54] Trustee Elliott: and we were living on my husband's salary which

[1:56:57] Voice 31: came in whenever somebody decided to pay him

[1:57:00] Voice 31: so this this makes me angry that this many years later we're still hearing these stories of people

[1:57:08] Voice 31: not being able to find a place in a solid place to live because we ended up having to find money

[1:57:15] Voice 31: to buy a house that we now however many years later still kind of pay off

[1:57:21] Voice 31: and what did it cost at the time 50 000 we're still trying to pay it off because we needed to

[1:57:28] Voice 31: borrow extra money to do extra things to make it not a real estate

[1:57:33] Trustee Elliott: fix it up and so here i am at

[1:57:37] Trustee Elliott: 71 finally retiring because now we might have enough money to

[1:57:41] Voice 31: continue paying off the mortgage

[1:57:42] Voice 31: that we still owe in a house that we live in and we're we were terrified that we were going month

[1:57:48] Voice 31: to month and there were months that we fed our kids and we didn't eat ourselves so we had friends

[1:57:52] Voice 31: sometimes that would show up

[1:57:54] Voice 15: and go to the back in

[1:57:55] Voice 20: the

[1:57:56] Voice 15: back of our cars and

[1:57:57] Voice 19: that was one of the

[1:57:58] Trustee Elliott: things when the food bank started we were behind that 100 and because we knew people and it really

[1:58:04] Trustee Elliott: is disheartening to find out that we're still facing that same problem in that same issue

[1:58:09] Voice 31: and you need to tell us what we can do with the community to make these things go and get people

[1:58:15] Voice 31: behind it and change some of the stuff and I don't know if it's even legal to

[1:58:20] Voice 31: kick people out of the inter you can't shut off their power

[1:58:23] Voice 3: so how can we have

[1:58:25] Voice 31: them evicted on their property

[1:58:26] Voice 19: though I

[1:58:28] Voice 31: know and it's ridiculous because so I

[1:58:37] Voice 31: help us okay

[1:58:38] Voice 28: thank you so I

[1:58:39] Voice 31: would

[1:58:41] Voice 25: be building a portable housing with most

[1:58:44] Voice 25: to buy a free car. There's so much red tape involved.

[1:58:49] Voice 29: It is by far the largest cost. We

[1:58:52] Voice 29: cannot roll back the red tape so people can put wounds over their head. The problems are

[1:58:58] Voice 29: getting worse way faster than they're getting better. I know so many people that live in

[1:59:03] Voice 29: trailers that would have built themselves a home right now. We're going to

[1:59:05] Voice 27: have to be

[1:59:08] Voice 27: finding a poverty to set an example

[1:59:10] Voice 29: so that people wouldn't look after themselves. It's

[1:59:13] Voice 29: insane it's completely insane it's like the red tape is not work but

[1:59:20] Voice 25: harm is causing if we can't

[1:59:23] Voice 25: figure out a solution people are getting frustrated and we're going to start abandoning these systems

[1:59:30] Voice 25: that we pay for that do not need to keep up with it you know when i was first approached by the

[1:59:37] Voice 29: rem i said i'll get a structural engineer to do an engineer's report and make sure nothing's going

[1:59:42] Voice 29: to fall down on any of those no

[1:59:44] Voice 29: not good enough we want the money to your building permit you go

[1:59:47] Voice 29: for the building permit we want an engineer i talked to the engineer once you say everything in

[1:59:52] Voice 29: your building is under part nine this is all simple regular building practices why am i being

[2:00:00] Voice 29: because they can

[2:00:00] Voice 20: they

[2:00:01] Voice 29: have a building inspector on salary people come and visit these houses

[2:00:05] Voice 29: they'd rather be spending five thousand dollars and then five thousand dollars and then five

[2:00:09] Voice 29: thousand dollars they receive their taxes based on how much our homes are worth take the value

[2:00:15] Voice 29: away from the homes let us have ourselves yeah we

[2:00:18] Voice 29: are so frustrated with not being allowed to

[2:00:22] Voice 29: house people where they have the space the water the resources the time the tools the people the

[2:00:29] Voice 29: The only thing in the way is red tape.

[2:00:31] Voice 14: And you're still house people.

[2:00:32] Voice 14: And I'm still house people.

[2:00:42] Voice 20: Can you

[2:00:43] Voice 28: state

[2:00:45] Trustee Elliott: your name for the record, please?

[2:00:48] Trustee Elliott: I'm Carl D.

[2:00:48] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[2:00:49] Voice 28: New speaker over here, please.

[2:00:51] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, chair.

[2:00:52] Voice 28: I

[2:00:52] Trustee Elliott: saw some hands, two hands over here.

[2:00:54] Trustee Elliott: And for a time check, it's 12.

[2:00:56] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:00:57] Voice 28: Yeah, so

[2:00:57] Trustee Elliott: we'll

[2:00:59] Voice 28: hear it, and then we'll come over to this side of the room.

[2:01:02] Trustee Elliott: Could we open the doors as well?

[2:01:03] Trustee Elliott: No, no.

[2:01:04] Voice 28: It's open.

[2:01:15] Voice 21: Oh, okay.

[2:01:16] Voice 21: That's okay.

[2:01:17] Voice 28: Go ahead.

[2:01:18] Voice 21: I just want to say something further to what Sam was getting at,

[2:01:21] Voice 21: and it's the story that I'm hearing in my head from all of this,

[2:01:25] Voice 21: is that a document that pertains to an inanimate object

[2:01:31] Voice 21: is being given all the power over the health and well-being of people.

[2:01:40] Voice 21: And the system is not

[2:01:46] Voice 22: prepared for the current climate of the housing crisis,

[2:01:52] Voice 22: of the economic crisis, of the mental health crisis.

[2:01:56] Voice 22: none of it is working together

[2:01:58] Voice 22: to solve problems for humans

[2:02:10] Voice 22: big

[2:02:11] Voice 25: name please

[2:02:12] Voice 25: for those of you that don't know me I'm Eric

[2:02:14] Voice 25: I am from the island

[2:02:15] Voice 25: been living here a long time

[2:02:18] Voice 25: I was gone for 10 years

[2:02:19] Voice 25: I recently moved back

[2:02:20] Voice 25: and have a bit of a hard time adjusting

[2:02:24] Voice 25: one being

[2:02:25] Voice 25: meaning not having, you know, a night watchman at the Haven was a problem for me,

[2:02:32] Voice 25: as well as I was asked to volunteer moving stove into the commons for the cooking or whatever.

[2:02:40] Voice 25: And I had some hecklers from that area when I was doing basketball a while ago.

[2:02:47] Voice 25: I was thinking, why do I have to, you know, lift the stove to feed the riprap that are at the mall or at the elementary school?

[2:02:55] Voice 25: with the connectors there that leads to more traffic in my neck of the woods and um there's

[2:03:03] Voice 25: a gentleman there i think he just ducked out that um i was wondering i saw him at camp miriam

[2:03:08] Voice 25: in the winter and why

[2:03:13] Trustee Elliott: we're not here to talk about community members you can speak to your own concerns and if it's

[2:03:17] Trustee Elliott: something to do with local trust committee business so what is your uh request to the

[2:03:24] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee not about other community members maybe

[2:03:26] Voice 25: just like a light

[2:03:27] Voice 25: at the parking lot of the golf course so that you know if you're leaving the golf course you don't

[2:03:36] Voice 25: in the dark when there's some kind of

[2:03:39] Voice 20: will be and if i ask

[2:03:40] Voice 23: you to go on to him

[2:03:59] Voice 30: also one of the residents of several feet south road

[2:04:05] Voice 30: um and long time gabriel in uh my mom maybe can speak to this date

[2:04:10] Voice 30: but was also in a situation when I was younger our whole family sadly of four um was there was

[2:04:18] Voice 30: a complaint about our dwelling we were in a trailer with um add-ons and uh we were kicked out

[2:04:24] Voice 30: and that was in I think 95 yeah

[2:04:34] Voice 23: so

[2:04:35] Voice 30: I just I don't know if I've driven yeah um so I don't know like

[2:04:41] Voice 30: Like some, I don't know enough about any of these processes, but how is that okay?

[2:04:48] Voice 30: Yeah.

[2:04:49] Voice 19: I don't

[2:04:52] Voice 29: think there has to be three complaints rather than one person taking issue.

[2:04:57] Voice 29: There has to be

[2:04:57] Voice 29: multiple people.

[2:04:58] Voice 29: Because I think that would have stopped a lot of this.

[2:05:01] Voice 29: We wouldn't even see us if there

[2:05:04] Voice 29: was three complaints required to cause this kind of

[2:05:10] Voice 27: We cannot hear

[2:05:12] Trustee Elliott: you if everybody's cross-talking, so we will ask you to respect the order of the meeting by raising your hand, stating your name, and speak to the chair, but thank you for the comment. They're valuable. We just want to hear you.

[2:05:25] Voice 28: so the

[2:05:27] Trustee Elliott: chair um i recognize there's lots of comments about um regional district enforcement

[2:05:36] Trustee Elliott: on certain properties i'm also mindful about the purpose of the public comments here um to hear

[2:05:43] Trustee Elliott: that um

[2:05:45] Voice 3: this might be a conversation that perhaps

[2:05:51] Trustee Elliott: approaches um but just i'm also recognizing

[2:05:54] Trustee Elliott: the chair that the forum to do this and have that conversation we're in a time frame consideration

[2:06:04] Trustee Elliott: for the ltc business and there's some comments i think to hear and to continue so i'm just

[2:06:11] Trustee Elliott: pausing that um part because there are other matters within our so

[2:06:18] Voice 28: why don't we say like

[2:06:20] Voice 28: Like 10 more minutes per statement, and then we can maybe perhaps get some resolutions going.

[2:06:31] Voice 27: Obviously, we've heard that, and then let's move

[2:06:33] Voice 28: on with the business.

[2:06:34] Voice 28: So go ahead.

[2:06:36] Trustee Elliott: Portia Beam, my brother.

[2:06:39] Trustee Elliott: My mom would be here, but she's probably doing child care.

[2:06:50] Voice 31: I just want to stand up and say

[2:06:51] Trustee Elliott: thank you so much to everybody

[2:06:53] Trustee Elliott: for showing up because it's been something that's been weighing on all of us and like

[2:06:57] Trustee Elliott: seeing one another's faces and talking about together feels really heartening in the way of

[2:07:02] Trustee Elliott: like what's been very frightening for all of us so thank you all for coming here I'm somebody who

[2:07:10] Trustee Elliott: lives at 750 South Road I take part in this community by gardening and cooking and as a

[2:07:17] Trustee Elliott: potter i'm an artist who really um has to stay still you know my work comes from a kiln that i

[2:07:23] Trustee Elliott: built on that property and were i to be displaced i would no longer have access to a big chunk of

[2:07:27] Trustee Elliott: my livelihood as well as my output as a maker um and i'm in this hall that i know is going to be

[2:07:34] Trustee Elliott: teaming this weekend for the thanksgiving gallery tour we think of ourselves as an island that

[2:07:40] Trustee Elliott: supports arts and culture but those things are inextricable from our lives and who we are to

[2:07:46] Trustee Elliott: when I'm not here. So I'm really hopeful that we can find

[2:07:50] Voice 19: a way through this that doesn't feel so

[2:07:58] Voice 19: and

[2:07:58] Trustee Elliott: I yeah I just wanted to stand up because where else should I?

[2:08:04] Voice 31: So thank you all so much

[2:08:07] Voice 31: for all your work and presence.

[2:08:14] Voice 25: I think that your hands are kind of tied but I think that our only path out of a reoccurring

[2:08:19] Voice 25: problem of the RDN company kicking our ass on all of the housing that we have built and

[2:08:24] Voice 25: supplies we need to leave

[2:08:25] Voice 27: the RDN we need to start our own municipality

[2:08:30] Voice 25: we need people

[2:08:35] Voice 25: some somewhat in line with them and i think a lot of this comes down to

[2:08:38] Voice 28: your name please

[2:08:39] Voice 28: oh uh

[2:08:40] Voice 25: well thank you some

[2:08:42] Voice 25: of this comes down to zoning issues that have been

[2:08:45] Voice 25: completely intractable for me and i was looking for a place for the past five or six years

[2:08:49] Voice 25: i see five 10-acre properties that allow one house and a secondary drawing and it's like

[2:08:55] Voice 25: you know you have people young families you know they make a decent income but they can't afford

[2:09:00] Voice 25: to buy anything they can't buy half acre they can't buy quarter acre they can't buy income

[2:09:04] Voice 25: maker uh they can't buy anything you have these big properties that seem to support many families

[2:09:09] Voice 25: and there's just no movement to the rdm to any of these districts uh so i mean i felt like the

[2:09:15] Voice 25: idea of giving some independence to us and make our own decisions here on who yes who can live

[2:09:21] Voice 25: on these properties how many people can they support and can they celebrate because we know

[2:09:25] Voice 25: I know we can, but that's an island's problem.

[2:09:33] Voice 24: So many communities across the Lower New Land

[2:09:37] Voice 24: can no longer afford to run businesses because the people who come to live there, who work there,

[2:09:41] Voice 24: cannot afford to live there. So we're facing the same issue.

[2:09:44] Voice 24: And so when I say to you that this is an issue that affects all of us, I mean it quite

[2:09:48] Voice 24: clearly and simply. We can't afford to get a plumber

[2:09:53] Voice 24: who can only show up and pay you three thousand dollars for some pex work but there's a lot of

[2:09:59] Voice 24: people here that know stuff and can get it done and that's how we all live we make things happen

[2:10:04] Voice 24: so i think what i'd like to leave you with is a charge and a challenge and that challenge is to

[2:10:09] Voice 24: come back with something workable

[2:10:11] Voice 23: through

[2:10:12] Voice 24: the rules that you know of and the people that you

[2:10:14] Voice 24: work with to avail us of the ability to continue to survive

[2:10:19] Voice 24: All right, let's have it.

[2:10:21] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:10:22] Voice 24: What's

[2:10:23] Voice 20: your name for the record, sir?

[2:10:24] Voice 20: Sam April.

[2:10:26] Voice 28: There was somebody over here.

[2:10:28] Voice 27: I wonder if we can get some feedback from you guys

[2:10:30] Voice 27: about the request for temporary use of your bedroom.

[2:10:38] Voice 27: We'll

[2:10:38] Trustee Elliott: have our time to share.

[2:10:41] Trustee Elliott: We just want to make sure community members share

[2:10:43] Trustee Elliott: during this period, but we will

[2:10:45] Trustee Elliott: hopefully address what's been

[2:10:50] Voice 28: this

[2:10:51] Voice 20: is your time

[2:10:51] Voice 28: is there anybody else has something new

[2:10:54] Voice 28: go ahead

[2:11:00] Voice 25: and yet

[2:11:01] Voice 23: there are hundreds of them yeah what's

[2:11:12] Voice 19: your name for the record sir

[2:11:13] Voice 19: thank you

[2:11:14] Voice 28: sir anybody else good we have the two okay go ahead

[2:11:20] Voice 28: um

[2:11:20] Trustee Elliott: emily carrington i've lived here

[2:11:23] Trustee Elliott: about 30

[2:11:23] Voice 15: years roughly and

[2:11:25] Trustee Elliott: i currently do live in a house that

[2:11:27] Voice 15: is inspected because i was kind of ahead of my head today um but i have gone up to the

[2:11:35] Voice 15: property on 750 central and i just wanted to say that the cob houses are some of the most

[2:11:41] Voice 15: beautiful houses i've seen and gabriel is the island of the arts and i think to destroy those

[2:11:48] Voice 15: houses whether there's code or not is to say that we're not the island of the arts and i think it

[2:11:54] Voice 15: will be a real shame

[2:11:54] Voice 20: thank you uh i

[2:11:59] Voice 12: just wanted to say that you know you guys were talking about

[2:12:02] Voice 12: the referendum i think that that's the next step for us as soon

[2:12:05] Voice 20: as we get out of

[2:12:06] Voice 12: the woods with

[2:12:06] Voice 12: the rdn and they stop threatening to knock my books over that's what i'm going to do yeah i

[2:12:10] Voice 12: don't have us out from like underneath the audience um when it comes to my law enforcement

[2:12:15] Voice 12: and building the course we can do it here i would only rather die and i don't know the process for

[2:12:23] Voice 12: a referendum but just you know it's

[2:12:26] Voice 27: really

[2:12:28] Voice 23: expensive but so

[2:12:30] Voice 27: i have a new speaker in the

[2:12:33] Voice 27: back then

[2:12:34] Voice 28: we'll go over to you so yeah yeah i

[2:12:35] Voice 29: just want to point out that if you read through

[2:12:37] Voice 29: the rdm bylaws they actually have full discretion take a look and see if anyone's actually being

[2:12:42] Voice 29: harmed they didn't do that they didn't give us an opportunity to address the complaint they didn't

[2:12:47] Voice 29: think about us any reasonable doubt that we weren't earning anything we're on 28 acres can't

[2:12:52] Voice 29: see a single house through the road someone had to trespass we didn't see what we were doing there

[2:12:57] Voice 29: is no one being harmed by any of our activities there's some pernicious complainer who doesn't

[2:13:02] Voice 29: like that we didn't follow the protocol the developer

[2:13:05] Voice 29: they very much could have said i don't

[2:13:08] Voice 29: see a problem and gone away here we go they didn't do that they have the right to they have the tools

[2:13:13] Voice 29: to if the market is going

[2:13:15] Voice 29: to hire higher bylaw enforcers

[2:13:18] Voice 25: who do not have a heart do not give

[2:13:20] Voice 25: their judgment yeah i

[2:13:22] Voice 25: was recently speaking with a structural engineer his comment was

[2:13:28] Voice 20: unfortunately common

[2:13:29] Voice 25: sense could be very short to apply at the rdx

[2:13:34] Voice 29: that's very disappointing

[2:13:35] Voice 20: okay

[2:13:37] Voice 28: trustees so go ahead

[2:13:42] Voice 19: yeah

[2:13:42] Voice 28: so that's i just i if are we sort of

[2:13:49] Voice 29: sure

[2:13:50] Voice 28: we

[2:13:50] Voice 29: have olympic employees right now sometimes that doubles in the summertime

[2:13:58] Voice 29: time we are you know we are losing our rental it probably would be our next spot if we didn't

[2:14:06] Voice 29: have this you know we are all we can't just do an asylum but unfortunately our whole generation

[2:14:12] Voice 29: we're all looking elsewhere right now yeah like our high employees are all going to lose their

[2:14:17] Voice 29: jobs they have children with disabilities and like we are we're giving up on it we really need

[2:14:36] Trustee Elliott: What's your name for the record, please?

[2:14:38] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[2:14:41] Voice 28: And please...

[2:14:46] Voice 1: Let's do Amy one more.

[2:14:47] Voice 28: Okay.

[2:14:47] Voice 28: Just one more.

[2:14:48] Voice 1: I just want to know if you guys can help us.

[2:14:52] I

[2:14:52] Voice 1: was like, why does one complainant have so much power in this community?

[2:14:57] Voice 1: And can you help us change that?

[2:14:59] Voice 1: Yes, yes.

[2:14:59] Voice 29: We're

[2:15:00] Voice 22: complaining about them.

[2:15:01] Voice 1: Yes.

[2:15:01] Voice 1: Yeah.

[2:15:02] Voice 1: We

[2:15:02] Voice 29: have one of the simplest things in JCCW.

[2:15:04] Voice 29: Yeah.

[2:15:06] Voice 28: But, of course, as everybody has acknowledged, this is RDN,

[2:15:10] Voice 28: and we're Islands Trust.

[2:15:12] Voice 28: So we'll get some motions going here,

[2:15:14] Voice 28: but we're

[2:15:15] Voice 28: really limited as to what our influence is.

[2:15:18] Voice 28: You're not.

[2:15:19] Voice 18: You guys have a lot of time.

[2:15:21] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:15:21] Voice 28: so let's let's get some motions going here okay so everybody comfortable we've

[2:15:26] Voice 28: had enough okay so over to trustees okay trustee Elliot has been quick patting

[2:15:33] Voice 28: away is there so I

[2:15:34] Trustee Elliott: think

[2:15:36] Voice 28: so I

[2:15:37] Trustee Elliott: just want to thank everyone and that's probably

[2:15:44] Trustee Elliott: feeling the same I

[2:15:45] Voice 10: certainly am and I certainly understand the absolute need

[2:15:49] Voice 10: for a healthy demographic that's how I think of it in my own mind otherwise I

[2:15:55] Voice 10: wouldn't want to live here I

[2:15:57] Trustee Elliott: echo a lot of the concerns that I've heard and so

[2:16:02] Trustee Elliott: from personal standpoint I've only lived here for 12 years but I have lived in

[2:16:07] Trustee Elliott: one of those horror

[2:16:08] Voice 23: stories that was a cabin

[2:16:18] Voice 19: that was the rental stock

[2:16:20] Voice 19: and because you know my own journey to try to

[2:16:29] Trustee Elliott: explore opportunities to build

[2:16:30] Trustee Elliott: types of houses that are safe and tiny and can respect the spirit and the intent of the

[2:16:43] Trustee Elliott: island's trust to protect and preserve what is special to us so we've heard four requests um

[2:16:49] Trustee Elliott: and just to reiterate them requesting that the island's trust write a letter to the rdn

[2:16:53] Trustee Elliott: asking for a halt on evictions as we are heading into winter um because it will put community

[2:17:00] Trustee Elliott: members in at harm um and this is not in line with our community values the second uh requesting tups

[2:17:09] Trustee Elliott: P's for three accessory dwellings one main falling in a secondary or sorry which are

[2:17:16] Trustee Elliott: being used for housing and this is a common practice across the trust area for non-standard

[2:17:22] Trustee Elliott: uses practical and symbolic I think temporary use permits are a definite option we've heard

[2:17:31] Trustee Elliott: about the um a request for a grace period and an extension um in order to develop a plan that

[2:17:41] Trustee Elliott: would allow for higher density and clustered homes around the village core which is something that

[2:17:46] Trustee Elliott: this um this local trust committee has directed how can we um develop where should we develop

[2:17:55] Trustee Elliott: and is it around the village core if this is an appropriate site and then the islands trust to

[2:17:59] Trustee Elliott: stand behind its own i'm not going to use the word moratorium i know that you're using it it's um

[2:18:05] Trustee Elliott: it's a deferral of enforcement um

[2:18:12] Trustee Elliott: i think the wording was a moratorium on evictions i mean we don't evict people um we have to

[2:18:21] Trustee Elliott: um follow up when there's a complaint and recognizing there's problems with that system

[2:18:27] Trustee Elliott: been there that's inherent in all this but I don't think that's beyond the scope of what we

[2:18:31] Trustee Elliott: can address today but I think the key word was well transitional paths are developed and I really

[2:18:39] Trustee Elliott: appreciate that language because we are coming from as Anna Moore pointed out a situation

[2:18:46] Trustee Elliott: where there just wasn't you know opportunity even back then it was difficult to buy a home

[2:18:53] Trustee Elliott: for a family with a single income and we still don't have those options today right so moving

[2:19:00] Trustee Elliott: through this path as our community identifies our values how do we protect and preserve

[2:19:05] Trustee Elliott: the special community that is here um we have to create a pathway that involves the rdn

[2:19:13] Trustee Elliott: we're experiencing low bandwidth yes so

[2:19:17] Voice 28: we have some videos off but the audio is on okay okay

[2:19:20] Voice 28: Okay.

[2:19:20] Trustee Elliott: So I want to be responsive to all those requests. I fully support the intent behind them

[2:19:30] Trustee Elliott: and will work with you all towards that end. I think we do need to have a discussion with RDN

[2:19:40] Trustee Elliott: about a joint approach for enforcement. That's going to be your trustees in a meeting

[2:19:46] Trustee Elliott: with um with the rdn and i think we would probably want a resolution to that effect so that we can

[2:19:52] Trustee Elliott: have a focused discussion on that and bring all of these things that we've heard um the impacts

[2:19:58] Trustee Elliott: the um incredible challenges that it has um caused i would say we actually do have more power

[2:20:08] Trustee Elliott: in this as a local health committee because the mandate is so wonderfully wide to preserve and

[2:20:15] Trustee Elliott: protect um we get to define what those unique amenities are in our community that deserve

[2:20:21] Trustee Elliott: protection and islanders who have created homes for themselves and are building with natural um

[2:20:30] Trustee Elliott: materials and respecting the land i think if i resp i think that's a value that we want to

[2:20:38] Trustee Elliott: to protect there isn't a pathway forward but it doesn't possible and so how do we move through

[2:20:46] Trustee Elliott: this and i don't know if i haven't written any brilliant motions while we're i've just been

[2:20:52] Trustee Elliott: listening um and i

[2:20:54] Trustee Elliott: i hear all of it and i want us to take action there's no reason we can't and um

[2:21:02] Trustee Elliott: it's just figuring out how

[2:21:03] Trustee Elliott: can

[2:21:04] Voice 29: i just clarify the cv there's more than three

[2:21:08] Voice 29: so number

[2:21:12] Voice 23: of buildings so if you

[2:21:14] Voice 23: get to that number

[2:21:14] Voice 23: i don't really feel like that should be designated the dvd should cover

[2:21:23] Voice 29: existing structures

[2:21:24] Voice 29: while we work towards increases on large lots like that so it's clearly happening

[2:21:30] Voice 29: I

[2:21:31] Trustee Elliott: guess I would ask, and before we move into making resolutions, we have talked about rezoning

[2:21:39] Trustee Elliott: the multiple properties that Carl and Mr. Amiar also have together.

[2:21:49] Trustee Elliott: So 750 South Road is not an enforcement file for Islands Trust.

[2:21:56] Trustee Elliott: trust so the action that we can take is working with planners and and help develop a process for

[2:22:05] Trustee Elliott: rezoning through the ocp process that's literally what we're doing right now so we can dedicate

[2:22:10] Trustee Elliott: time and energy towards that but we need you folks to come forward and work with our staff

[2:22:17] Trustee Elliott: to to that end right so there needs to be an application and is there an attempt to still

[2:22:23] Trustee Elliott: pursue that when

[2:22:24] Voice 29: i spoke to a planner about an application i was advised to wait until the

[2:22:28] Voice 29: ocp was complete that's changing it prior to me changing the law for just that you guys go ahead

[2:22:35] Voice 29: and get the research stuff sorted then we can make an application that makes sense you've heard us

[2:22:40] Voice 29: you know what we want you know what we need

[2:22:41] Voice 31: yeah

[2:22:42] Voice 29: you should get it done in your cps well that's

[2:22:46] Trustee Elliott: another year out so let's go yeah full time please

[2:22:50] Trustee Elliott: the chair um i'm mindful about engaging in discussion in new business but perhaps um

[2:23:00] Trustee Elliott: for specific properties and conversation about land use and potential applications to call our

[2:23:10] Voice 3: our

[2:23:10] Trustee Elliott: planning office, Northinfo at islandtrust.bc.ca.

[2:23:19] Trustee Elliott: And planners can have that conversation

[2:23:22] Trustee Elliott: and get that piece clarified, share information,

[2:23:25] Trustee Elliott: talk about what that process would look like

[2:23:28] Trustee Elliott: in terms of any direction about some actions or next steps

[2:23:33] Trustee Elliott: that could be where the local trust committee

[2:23:35] Trustee Elliott: wants to raise a motion to discuss.

[2:23:41] Voice 23: Okay,

[2:23:42] Voice 10: just a few comments.

[2:23:43] Voice 10: If we are going to be making some motions, and I know we will, I think we need a break

[2:23:48] Voice 10: so that we can discuss the wording so we're not making motions on the fly, which we know

[2:23:53] Voice 10: don't work very well.

[2:23:54] Voice 23: And

[2:23:55] Voice 10: we probably have more than one motion here.

[2:23:57] Voice 10: We may also need to have an in-camera meeting with the RDM staff.

[2:24:03] Voice 10: That may be a possibility as well.

[2:24:05] Voice 10: Well, interestingly, okay, so the deferral, it's not really a deferral.

[2:24:12] Voice 10: We have a standing resolution that says do not enforce on dwellings that appear to be illegal unless there are health and safety concerns.

[2:24:24] Voice 10: So at some point, someone must have brought up, I'm just guessing, a health and safety concern.

[2:24:29] Voice 10: I don't really know.

[2:24:30] Trustee Elliott: No, no, no.

[2:24:30] Voice 10: We

[2:24:30] Trustee Elliott: don't have an enforcement file, though.

[2:24:32] Voice 10: No, we don't.

[2:24:35] Voice 25: Yeah,

[2:24:36] Voice 10: I don't know. Anyway, that is the reason for that standing resolution is to is to buy us

[2:24:44] Voice 10: time to get through the OCP process. So it kind of works for us too. I wanted to make a comment

[2:24:53] Voice 10: on the temporary use permits. Yes. We need to talk about temporary use permit at this point.

[2:24:59] Voice 10: that's another way of buying time and i i have to say i find it ironic that we almost always

[2:25:04] Voice 10: have at least one temporary use permit application in our agenda for a short-term vacation rental

[2:25:15] Voice 10: i'm just saying yeah so we need to talk about tups for other things as well

[2:25:21] Voice 10: Yeah. So, but we need a break to write.

[2:25:26] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, let, let, let, let

[2:25:28] Trustee Elliott: us have a little

[2:25:30] Trustee Elliott: clarify.

[2:25:32] Voice 18: Sure. We're asking for a grace period or extension. Yeah, that is

[2:25:38] Voice 18: specifically related

[2:25:39] Voice 18: to properties that don't mean sorry, asking for that extension or grace period until the

[2:25:48] Voice 18: you always computer view content and that's what i'm directly talking about and for some of the

[2:25:52] Voice 18: animals what's

[2:25:56] Voice 25: the next property to go through all this so

[2:25:58] Voice 18: if i'm soccer

[2:26:00] Voice 18: or what we're going to do.

[2:26:03] Voice 18: I guess not.

[2:26:04] Voice 6: Nothing to add.

[2:26:06] Voice 6: There is a lot of time.

[2:26:08] Trustee Elliott: But let's

[2:26:09] Trustee Elliott: let's take a break.

[2:26:10] Voice 28: I think

[2:26:10] Trustee Elliott: I agree that we need some time to put our thoughts

[2:26:13] Trustee Elliott: towards what we've

[2:26:14] Voice 28: got a 30 minute scheduled break

[2:26:17] Voice 28: that we've deferred now for an hour.

[2:26:19] Voice 28: So thank you, everyone.

[2:26:21] Voice 18: Thank you.

[2:26:21] Voice 18: All right.

[2:26:22] Voice 28: We'll come back for anybody who wants to stick around.

[2:26:25] Voice 28: But let's take a 30 minute break.

[2:26:26] Voice 28: So thank you very much.

[2:26:27] Voice 28: Take

[2:26:27] Trustee Elliott: a 30 minute break.

[2:26:31] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, okay. Thanks, guys.

[3:02:28] Voice 19: all

[3:02:29] Voice 28: right everybody we are coming back um we need to get a break uh the trustees have

[3:02:38] Voice 28: got some motions prepared so chair

[3:02:42] Voice 4: uh are we back online uh you might is there an unknown question

[3:02:47] Voice 4: all

[3:02:48] Voice 27: right starting

[3:02:49] Voice 4: the video we're

[3:02:51] Voice 27: back again oh breathing breathing

[3:02:54] Voice 27: okay

[3:02:55] Voice 28: okay okay all righty it's

[3:03:00] Trustee Elliott: going to be a joint motion creation session okay here we go do you

[3:03:05] Voice 28: Do you want to

[3:03:05] Trustee Elliott: start with the first one?

[3:03:07] Voice 10: Yes, I can start, but I can only get

[3:03:09] Voice 10: as far as what I could read.

[3:03:12] Voice 10: I'm going to put my paper here.

[3:03:14] Voice 10: Or

[3:03:14] Voice 28: you can find me.

[3:03:15] Voice 11: Yes, totally.

[3:03:16] Voice 10: Yes.

[3:03:16] Voice 10: I'm too late.

[3:03:17] Voice 10: Yes, I move.

[3:03:19] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:03:21] Trustee Elliott: And I will read it back.

[3:03:23] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:03:24] Voice 10: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request

[3:03:29] Voice 10: the chair to write to regional director Craig

[3:03:36] Voice 10: And planning staff at the Regional District of Nanaimo to respectfully request a deferment of current RDN bylaw enforcement on 750 South Road, 1400 South Road, and 1965 Stalker Road, S-T-A-L-K-E-R,

[3:04:18] Voice 10: are in

[3:04:22] Trustee Elliott: order to grant time to the property owners who intend to rezone yeah their lots

[3:04:35] Trustee Elliott: to a site specific should i put an eco village designation yeah yeah that's fine sure eco village

[3:04:46] Trustee Elliott: designation through the ocp gabriella ocp review wow it's not moving it's not we haven't approved

[3:04:55] Trustee Elliott: yes okay to

[3:04:58] Trustee Elliott: grant time and space to the property owners who intend to rezone their lots

[3:05:01] Trustee Elliott: to a site-specific ecovillage designation through the gabriola official community plan review

[3:05:18] Voice 19: okay through the chair i have and i'll need a new

[3:05:22] Trustee Elliott: birth that the gabriola ltc requests the chair

[3:05:27] Trustee Elliott: to write to the regional director, Craig,

[3:05:31] Trustee Elliott: and planning staff at the RDN

[3:05:34] Trustee Elliott: to respectfully request a deferment

[3:05:37] Trustee Elliott: of current RDN bylaw enforcement

[3:05:39] Trustee Elliott: on 750 South Road, 1400 South Road,

[3:05:45] Trustee Elliott: and 1965 Stalker Road

[3:05:48] Trustee Elliott: in order to grant time to the property owners

[3:05:54] Trustee Elliott: who intend to rezone their lots

[3:05:56] Trustee Elliott: to a site-specific eco-zone designation through the O.C. Gabriela Official Community Plan.

[3:06:04] Trustee Elliott: Eco-village designation.

[3:06:07] Trustee Elliott: Site-specific eco-village designation through the Gabriela Official Community Plan.

[3:06:13] Voice 10: Yeah.

[3:06:15] Voice 4: I'll move that.

[3:06:16] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:06:17] Voice 28: Seconded.

[3:06:18] Voice 28: Second.

[3:06:18] Voice 28: Further discussion?

[3:06:25] Voice 10: Discussion?

[3:06:26] Voice 10: Discussion, yes.

[3:06:27] Voice 10: Yes, please just make sure we do get that word village in there

[3:06:30] Voice 10: because we had another eco-zone for something entirely different.

[3:06:35] Voice 20: So

[3:06:36] Voice 10: it's about dwellings.

[3:06:38] Voice 10: I

[3:06:39] Trustee Elliott: think the signals are intense, which has been all along,

[3:06:43] Trustee Elliott: to develop unique island solutions to howling.

[3:06:53] Trustee Elliott: We have worked successfully with the RDN.

[3:06:55] Trustee Elliott: you know this partnership with the tiny homes uh piece was fantastic and we need their partnership

[3:07:02] Trustee Elliott: to um figure out a policy framework that's going to work for gabriola so this starts the

[3:07:10] Trustee Elliott: conversation um and as well it highlights and really puts a focus on the property owners to

[3:07:19] Trustee Elliott: move forward with those stated intentions to develop um something that is appropriate for the

[3:07:25] Trustee Elliott: the island and that the that respects the community's needs so i fully support um all of

[3:07:33] Trustee Elliott: that and that's the first thing

[3:07:36] Voice 10: that we should need to do working together and i'm thinking with

[3:07:40] Voice 10: when denman island does its official community plan review it might be looking at gabriela

[3:07:46] Voice 10: absolutely we got in there we're

[3:07:49] Voice 28: all working together okay so with that call a question

[3:07:54] Voice 28: all in favor that carries okay and

[3:07:58] Voice 28: we see the mild applause in the audience

[3:07:59] Voice 28: so what's

[3:08:02] Voice 15: more more

[3:08:03] Voice 28: motions yeah okay

[3:08:04] Voice 28: next motion um

[3:08:05] Voice 15: so

[3:08:08] Trustee Elliott: request so the gabriella local

[3:08:31] Trustee Elliott: options and an approach for Gabriela Island in order to meet the unique housing needs

[3:08:46] Trustee Elliott: of this community and stated values for island appropriate housing solutions.

[3:08:57] Trustee Elliott: I will second that.

[3:09:00] Trustee Elliott: Can you repeat that?

[3:09:01] Trustee Elliott: um your local trust committee requests staff to invite rdn planning staff to engage

[3:09:09] Trustee Elliott: in a discussion yes on a policy to develop a policy approach specific to gabriela island

[3:09:28] Trustee Elliott: to meet the unique housing needs of the community

[3:09:42] Trustee Elliott: and values for island-appropriate housing solutions.

[3:09:50] Trustee Elliott: Could have been another word in there, but it's long enough.

[3:09:57] Trustee Elliott: I think there's a word options, policy options and approach.

[3:10:01] Voice 31: Yeah.

[3:10:02] Voice 31: Let's get an answer.

[3:10:03] Voice 31: that

[3:10:04] Trustee Elliott: the gabriela island local trust committee requests staff to invite regional district of

[3:10:13] Trustee Elliott: nanaimo staff to engage in discussion develop policy options and approach specific to gabriela

[3:10:22] Trustee Elliott: island to meet the unique housing needs of the community and values for island appropriate

[3:10:31] Trustee Elliott: housing solutions it

[3:10:34] Voice 28: is clear

[3:10:43] Trustee Elliott: that we need unique island solutions cookie

[3:10:47] Trustee Elliott: cutter doesn't work we come from a place of actually you know the in inappropriate

[3:10:55] Trustee Elliott: grandfathered cabins that were really the only place that people had to rent

[3:11:02] Trustee Elliott: And then we moved through COVID. And now we've had a proliferation of recreational vehicles, which is, as many people have said, that's not safe, secure, or healthy long term housing. So what is the solution? We don't know what that is.

[3:11:19] Trustee Elliott: But I'll actually, again, give credit to RDN staff in the discussion about the Tawny Home Project.

[3:11:27] Trustee Elliott: They brought forward this, that the province has already walked this path before with the legal secondary suites.

[3:11:38] Trustee Elliott: So in 2016, there's a whole proliferation of legal secondary suites in the cities.

[3:11:43] Trustee Elliott: Nobody had anywhere to live.

[3:11:44] Trustee Elliott: And so there was a program that I think local governments could opt in to develop, you know, what are the basic health and safety criteria for a secondary suite if it can't meet the code or, you know, the regulatory structure.

[3:12:03] Trustee Elliott: So I think that's what we're looking for now is it's not a gray area where everybody can define, however you want, what constitutes a safe, secure dwelling, but what is that criteria that's appropriate for Gabriela, right?

[3:12:20] Trustee Elliott: We're not going to ever achieve step code.

[3:12:23] Trustee Elliott: I think there's been an honest assessment from the building inspector.

[3:12:32] Trustee Elliott: She's just like, the building code just keeps getting out of reach.

[3:12:38] Trustee Elliott: And it is appropriate for climate change solutions,

[3:12:43] Trustee Elliott: if you're building a big 3,000, 4,000 square foot home,

[3:12:47] Trustee Elliott: to have those big walls to have the extra insulated value when you get

[3:12:52] Trustee Elliott: smaller it actually becomes inappropriate and so if this community

[3:12:56] Trustee Elliott: wants to build smaller homes to meet these island needs we actually need a

[3:13:03] Trustee Elliott: different framework and that's called a policy framework so that's where we're

[3:13:08] Trustee Elliott: we're inviting them to a discussion stating that we have some unique housing

[3:13:13] Trustee Elliott: needs and we don't want to just go with you know building code getting further and further out of

[3:13:18] Trustee Elliott: reach so it's an equity issue and it's a practical issue um so that would

[3:13:24] Voice 10: be the second one sorry

[3:13:26] Voice 10: that was mine oh and i could make a couple of comments too um the other thing that is unique

[3:13:31] Voice 10: to the trust area is that we are islands and we are dictated by a ferry and a ferry schedule

[3:13:36] Voice 10: schedule. And the more building materials you have to bring over on that ferry, it just multiplies

[3:13:43] Voice 10: the problems with the ferry lineups and the cost to building a home on

[3:13:48] Voice 10: any island. And this is

[3:13:50] Voice 10: another thing where, you know, if we can develop a really good policy framework, I know that Denman

[3:13:55] Voice 10: Island, for example, as we were talking earlier, going through what Denman Island is going through

[3:14:00] Voice 10: right now, maybe they will look to us to say, wow, we could do something like that. So that's

[3:14:06] Voice 10: one thing it's the whole business of bring having to bring material over on the ferry which is

[3:14:12] Voice 10: really expensive um and the other interesting thing about the building code is many years ago

[3:14:17] Voice 10: I used to be the head of the reference department for the regional library system and one of the

[3:14:22] Voice 10: things that we got was the national building code and all of the documentation that went with it

[3:14:28] Voice 10: And it was clear to me after a few years that the industry lobbied politicians and policymakers so that their particular item, like metal doors, for example, and certain kinds of horrible, leaky, nasty windows, for example, would actually be part of the building code.

[3:14:51] Voice 10: and and it was like it took me years to all of a sudden realize and then speaking to a number of

[3:14:57] Voice 10: scientists who worked on the national research council and the building code they said oh yeah

[3:15:02] Voice 10: that happens all the time the the industries will lobby so they get their products as part of the

[3:15:07] Voice 10: building code and they're unattainable inaffordable unaffordable and most of the time well not most of

[3:15:14] Voice 10: the time some of the time they're inappropriate and so that that's the other problem with the

[3:15:19] Voice 10: building code that has nothing to do with our wonderful regional director or

[3:15:22] Voice 10: me or my fellow trustees but it's out there okay

[3:15:28] Voice 28: so we'll call question all in

[3:15:30] Voice 28: favor that carries we have a third motion yeah

[3:15:34] Trustee Elliott: actually asked if trustee

[3:15:37] Trustee Elliott: Yates would read this because I don't think I can vote on this one oh

[3:15:42] Voice 10: okay I

[3:15:44] Voice 10: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[3:15:48] Voice 10: request staff to explore options

[3:15:52] Voice 10: for temporary use permits

[3:15:54] Voice 10: for current non-conforming dwellings

[3:15:58] Voice 10: that meet density and siting criteria,

[3:16:06] Voice 10: including cob, natural build,

[3:16:12] Voice 10: and non-manufactured tiny homes,

[3:16:16] Voice 10: and that would assure land use

[3:16:23] Voice 10: health safety and environmental considerations are met until a new gabriola land use bylaw

[3:16:43] Voice 10: is adopted so

[3:17:00] Voice 27: the

[3:17:02] Trustee Elliott: motion is that the gabriola island local trust committee

[3:17:06] Trustee Elliott: request staff to explore options for a temporary use for the use of temporary use permits like

[3:17:17] Trustee Elliott: just for

[3:17:18] Voice 10: temporary use permits

[3:17:19] Trustee Elliott: for temporary use permits for current non-conforming dwellings

[3:17:26] Trustee Elliott: that meet density and siting criteria including cob natural build and non-manufactured tiny homes

[3:17:36] Trustee Elliott: and that would assure land use, health, safety, and environmental considerations

[3:17:46] Trustee Elliott: are met until a new Gabriola land use bylaw is adopted.

[3:17:54] Voice 10: Comma after met, just to make it easier to understand.

[3:17:59] Voice 10: And just to note here that we are saying including Cobb.

[3:18:06] Voice 10: We're not limiting it to Cobb or anything. We're just including so people get what we're talking about.

[3:18:12] Voice 25: We need the current out of that so that it's good for everybody.

[3:18:15] Voice 19: Go for current?

[3:18:17] Voice 19: That

[3:18:17] Voice 29: sets it up like it's the only thing that exists today and doesn't give those same options to other people in the future.

[3:18:23] Voice 29: People have been made

[3:18:25] Voice 25: to do the same.

[3:18:26] Voice 27: And what about meeting the current density criteria?

[3:18:30] Voice 27: Because I don't think that some of these properties do meet the current density criteria.

[3:18:34] Voice 27: it's kind of your own thing

[3:18:35] Voice 31: yeah yeah yeah actually

[3:18:40] Trustee Elliott: it's true because it's it's it's a

[3:18:44] Trustee Elliott: it's a temporary it's temporary measure to give assurance that um you know while we work on this

[3:18:51] Trustee Elliott: policy framework um which would be hopefully a more permanent uh solution we're in this space

[3:19:02] Trustee Elliott: where we're there might be different zoning um yeah i think it's actually true it's it's

[3:19:10] Trustee Elliott: density criteria is um non-conforming

[3:19:15] Trustee Elliott: dwellings that meet siting siting yeah because use is

[3:19:23] Voice 27: setting intensity is kind of what the issue is right just a

[3:19:27] Trustee Elliott: point of order while there's a motion

[3:19:29] Trustee Elliott: on the floor and the

[3:19:30] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee is discussing it's important that they are

[3:19:34] Trustee Elliott: considering the matter we just can't have public discussion let's ask staff so um if the intent of

[3:19:42] Trustee Elliott: this motion is to um it's sort of that transitional pathway right what can provide insurance that

[3:19:51] Trustee Elliott: people won't be evicted can we use we're asking that can we use temporary use permits for

[3:19:57] Trustee Elliott: non-conforming dwellings so rather than a non-enforcement policy have an actual permit

[3:20:02] Trustee Elliott: that process for dwellings that meet certain land use criteria and that are built of those

[3:20:13] Trustee Elliott: carbon natural build or non-manufactured tiny homes and this is why i can't vote on this because

[3:20:18] Trustee Elliott: it's a conflict of interest uh because i live in one um and we assure land use health and safety

[3:20:25] Trustee Elliott: and environmental considerations are met so how can we deal with the density

[3:20:29] Trustee Elliott: the site of the question through the chair that the how do we your uh the motion is requesting

[3:20:40] Trustee Elliott: staff to explore options so and to address current non-conforming dwellings to meet density

[3:20:51] Trustee Elliott: and siting criteria including those types listed and that would assure land use health safety and

[3:20:58] Trustee Elliott: environmental considerations are met the other part of that motion is until explore new options

[3:21:06] Trustee Elliott: until a new land use bylaw is adopted so there's a couple of pieces there to clarify if this were

[3:21:12] Trustee Elliott: to be staff direction or direction to staff or request is perhaps keep it unless the lbc is

[3:21:19] Trustee Elliott: certain that land use temporary use is the way to go and i would my advice would be keep it to

[3:21:27] Trustee Elliott: two options, land use options, and staff can come back to suggest and look at all kinds

[3:21:33] Trustee Elliott: of planning options, planning tool options, and to clarify what I'm not clear on is what

[3:21:42] Trustee Elliott: about that action do you want to hold off until the land use bylaws are adopted?

[3:21:48] Trustee Elliott: Oh, I'll see.

[3:21:51] Trustee Elliott: so my first my first part of the feedback is to not limit it to the temporary options

[3:21:58] Voice 10: and i really

[3:21:58] Voice 10: appreciate that because if it is temporary use permit at some point all of those tups will need

[3:22:05] Voice 10: to be either renewed or rezoned which can be done and that's what happens but maybe there's a better

[3:22:12] Voice 10: better way to to look at this so um options leaving it at options is probably preferable

[3:22:19] Trustee Elliott: and it's yeah so the goal is to

[3:22:31] Voice 19: no no no actually not by no chance

[3:22:39] Voice 10: and here's another question is it until the new land use bylaws adopted or is it until the

[3:22:44] Voice 10: the ocp is adopted from which the land use bylaw comes of course which would be all this

[3:22:51] Voice 10: but the ocp would talk about but it's not the regulation but it's not the regulation

[3:22:58] Voice 10: it's the

[3:22:59] Trustee Elliott: regulation just still four or five years out like it's looking for one of those

[3:23:04] Trustee Elliott: temporary measures uh you know the dwellings that don't meet density um the current density

[3:23:11] Trustee Elliott: restrictions of the land use bylaw that um cannot achieve a building permit perhaps

[3:23:19] Trustee Elliott: um but there's other the health safety environmental considerations are met like

[3:23:26] Trustee Elliott: what does that

[3:23:26] Voice 20: package look like

[3:23:28] Voice 20: and

[3:23:29] Trustee Elliott: then when the lud is adopted that permitting process may

[3:23:34] Trustee Elliott: disappear or it could get enshrined in in the new land use bylaw was sort of

[3:23:39] Trustee Elliott: where I was thinking because I would go yeah

[3:23:43] Voice 11: Toby can you get rid of temporary use because

[3:23:45] Voice 11: I think

[3:23:45] Voice 11: options is good also I think we can remove the words land use okay I'll

[3:23:52] Voice 15: just email it to you

[3:23:53] Voice 15: and just just say help

[3:24:08] Voice 15: yeah i don't

[3:24:13] Voice 11: think land is sort of redundant

[3:24:14] Voice 11: yeah okay

[3:24:20] Voice 20: let's

[3:24:21] Voice 19: get the setting criteria including cognitive moment that

[3:24:32] Voice 19: kind of that would

[3:24:34] Voice 15: still ensure

[3:24:36] Voice 19: health and um and

[3:24:46] Voice 20: it's

[3:24:47] Trustee Elliott: kind of like can we pilot this approach

[3:24:49] Trustee Elliott: and that goes to inform um the bylaw when you only be i

[3:24:55] Voice 15: don't know no don't need

[3:24:59] Voice 11: it don't say

[3:25:00] Voice 11: that just say until we have it we know it's going to inform it you need like you need old

[3:25:06] Trustee Elliott: old people printing needs to be like size 24

[3:25:13] Trustee Elliott: 38 you are very much my

[3:25:15] Voice 10: elder and i'm very grateful

[3:25:17] Trustee Elliott: you're here okay

[3:25:18] Voice 11: i think are we ready

[3:25:19] Voice 11: i think this is good okay

[3:25:21] Voice 10: rpm generate i think we're okay here i move that the gabriola local

[3:25:27] Voice 10: trust committee request staff to explore options for non-conforming dwellings

[3:25:34] Voice 10: including cobb natural build and non-manufactured tiny homes

[3:25:57] Voice 10: gabriella lpc requests staff to explore options for non-conforming dwellings

[3:26:05] Voice 10: including cobb natural build and non-manufactured tiny homes

[3:26:12] Voice 10: which would in which would ensure health safety and environmental considerations

[3:26:23] Voice 10: are met to support the development of the Gabriela land use bylaws yeah we're

[3:26:38] Voice 23: just looking at that

[3:26:45] Trustee Elliott: the Gabriel Island local trust committee requests staff to

[3:26:52] Trustee Elliott: to explore options on non-conforming dwellings.

[3:26:58] Trustee Elliott: For

[3:26:58] Voice 10: non-conforming, yeah, thank you.

[3:27:01] Trustee Elliott: For non-conforming dwellings,

[3:27:03] Trustee Elliott: including cob, natural build,

[3:27:06] Trustee Elliott: and non-manufactured tiny homes,

[3:27:09] Trustee Elliott: which would ensure health, safety,

[3:27:12] Trustee Elliott: and environmental considerations are met, comma,

[3:27:15] Trustee Elliott: to support the development

[3:27:17] Trustee Elliott: of the new Gabriela Land Use By-law.

[3:27:21] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah thank you

[3:27:24] Voice 5: so

[3:27:26] Voice 27: moved so moved seconded are

[3:27:30] Voice 5: you seconding i'm seconding it

[3:27:31] Voice 5: excellent all

[3:27:32] Voice 28: right

[3:27:32] Voice 5: any

[3:27:35] Voice 28: further discussion no i think if you talked it out a lot i

[3:27:38] Trustee Elliott: wish it noted that i um

[3:27:40] Trustee Elliott: recuse myself from this

[3:27:42] Trustee Elliott: decision yeah

[3:27:43] Voice 28: so very good

[3:27:44] Voice 28: ready to vote yes through

[3:27:47] Trustee Elliott: the chair i have

[3:27:47] Trustee Elliott: a question yes so i'm putting different

[3:27:49] Trustee Elliott: hats on right now so we have the motion on the floor

[3:27:52] Trustee Elliott: question I have is for understanding so there's so staff understand the next

[3:28:00] Trustee Elliott: step of the action staff would be reporting back on this particular

[3:28:04] Trustee Elliott: should this motion carry to the

[3:28:07] Trustee Elliott: resolution will be reporting back on

[3:28:09] Trustee Elliott: this to support the development and feed into is this for the official community

[3:28:16] Trustee Elliott: plan for both for those discussions yeah and land use by law and to inform the land use by law

[3:28:22] Trustee Elliott: yeah so you may want to add at the end of that motion um to support the development of the new

[3:28:30] Trustee Elliott: gabriola land use bylaw and perhaps and to inform the

[3:28:36] Voice 10: ocp the

[3:28:37] Trustee Elliott: official community plan

[3:28:38] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[3:28:39] Voice 10: yeah actually that would be good because i thought about that before the bylaw so friendly

[3:28:44] Voice 28: Friendly amendment.

[3:28:44] Voice 10: Yeah, friendly amendment to support the development of the new

[3:28:49] Voice 10: Gabriola Land Use By-law and Official Community Plan.

[3:28:55] Voice 10: And

[3:28:55] Voice 11: they're both new, or they will be new soon, later.

[3:28:59] Voice 11: Official Community Plan, ready?

[3:29:03] Voice 23: Okay.

[3:29:04] Trustee Elliott: Question?

[3:29:05] Voice 23: Question.

[3:29:05] Voice 23: Do

[3:29:06] Trustee Elliott: we need to include or rectify including temporary permits,

[3:29:10] Trustee Elliott: or will staff include that as an option?

[3:29:17] Trustee Elliott: But I think actually it's important it's using a tool that, you know, we've typically used for only one purpose.

[3:29:28] Trustee Elliott: But

[3:29:29] Voice 28: I think the motion's open enough and the discussion's understood.

[3:29:35] Voice 28: I don't think you have to list it.

[3:29:37] Voice 10: Do you want to put temporary use permit before the word COV so that it's made sure we don't forget it?

[3:29:43] Voice 10: I mean, it's open-ended as it is, but just in case.

[3:29:49] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I'm putting two peas called

[3:29:55] Voice 15: not to build a non

[3:29:56] Voice 15: manufactured tiny homes.

[3:30:05] Voice 10: so rpm jam right have you got that so including tups before

[3:30:09] Voice 10: crop would

[3:30:12] Voice 19: you be able to read that yes

[3:30:13] Voice 10: gabriel ltc requests staff to explore options for non-conforming

[3:30:17] Voice 10: dwellings including tups cob natural build and non-manufactured tiny homes which would ensure

[3:30:28] Voice 10: sure health, safety, and environmental considerations are met

[3:30:31] Voice 10: to support the development of the new Gabriel Olandi's bylaw

[3:30:36] Voice 10: and official community plan review. I don't think we need review.

[3:30:40] Voice 10: It's the new bylaw and the new OCP.

[3:30:43] Voice 20: Okay. Yes.

[3:30:50] Voice 28: With that, we should call

[3:30:52] Voice 28: the vote. All in

[3:30:56] Voice 28: favor? That carries. And Trustee Elliott has recused herself

[3:31:00] Voice 28: yourself from that vote. Orange.

[3:31:03] Voice 28: So, that's our motion.

[3:31:06] Voice 20: Thank you, Bill.

[3:31:07] Voice 28: We make sausages. I

[3:31:09] Voice 20: can conclude

[3:31:14] Voice 28: just maybe with a little bit of a statement here, because

[3:31:18] Voice 28: people often question the original mandate of the Islands Trust, and we've been accused

[3:31:23] Voice 28: of straying from it and doing all sorts of stuff. 1975, the original policy statement

[3:31:29] Voice 28: concluded with a statement which i think is really really important to reflect on

[3:31:34] Voice 28: really with all that's happened today and that said recognizing recognition of the island's

[3:31:42] Voice 28: trust are first and all an existing community of people and the welfare of those people and

[3:31:47] Voice 28: those who join them and come after them must always be a primary concern of the trust so

[3:31:57] Voice 28: So when we get accused of straying from our mandate, that was the original mandate.

[3:32:03] Voice 28: It is supposed to be about the community.

[3:32:06] Voice 28: It's supposed to be about the people.

[3:32:07] Voice 27: And

[3:32:08] Voice 28: I think the motions that you've just heard today reflect that.

[3:32:11] Voice 28: So thank you very much.

[3:32:13] Trustee Elliott: Thank you very much.

[3:32:15] Voice 28: Thank you.

[3:32:15] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for coming here today.

[3:32:18] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[3:32:18] Trustee Elliott: Really important.

[3:32:19] Voice 28: Okay.

[3:32:20] Voice 28: Okay. Are we prepared to go back to our agenda?

[3:32:25] Voice 20: Pretty good.

[3:32:27] Voice 20: All right.

[3:32:28] Voice 28: Thank you, everybody.

[3:32:29] Voice 28: All right.

[3:32:31] Voice 3: So

[3:32:31] Voice 28: we're at number seven minutes.

[3:32:34] Voice 3: Oh, yeah.

[3:32:35] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:32:38] Voice 31: Can we leave?

[3:32:39] Voice 31: Yeah.

[3:32:45] Voice 15: Thank

[3:32:46] Voice 4: you so much.

[3:32:47] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:32:48] Voice 4: Thank you, guys.

[3:32:49] Voice 4: Thank you so much.

[3:32:53] Voice 3: thank you thank you my sister

[3:32:56] Voice 3: justina poslock was this oh i know

[3:32:59] Voice 18: she's a huge part of the community

[3:33:00] Voice 18: yeah yeah

[3:33:01] Voice 18: yeah oh these are yeah

[3:33:03] Voice 29: yeah

[3:33:04] Voice 18: so say

[3:33:05] Voice 29: nice things about me i will

[3:33:06] Voice 29: thank

[3:33:07] Voice 18: you so much okay all right

[3:33:12] Voice 28: we're done good thank you

[3:33:15] Voice 28: everybody so

[3:33:17] Voice 10: i i do have a couple

[3:33:18] Voice 10: questions for the minute the draft

[3:33:20] Voice 10: minute all

[3:33:21] Voice 28: right um

[3:33:22] Voice 10: and it's there the minutes are fine

[3:33:24] Voice 10: but there's one thing on page six of the agenda package page three of the minute the draft minutes

[3:33:33] Voice 10: um about halfway down under number seven we had business arising follow-up action and um i was

[3:33:41] Voice 10: supposed to write a letter to the nav canada and nanaimo airport authority which i did with the

[3:33:48] Voice 10: help of rpn jamrat just a few days ago because i could not get the correct addresses um and i think

[3:33:55] Voice 10: that letter is just kind of on hold right now until we have all our staff back and we know what

[3:34:00] Voice 10: to do with it but it was i didn't see it on the follow-up action list which is why i thought i

[3:34:06] Voice 10: should flag it here number one

[3:34:11] Voice 20: okay

[3:34:12] Voice 14: this

[3:34:15] Voice 20: is

[3:34:18] Trustee Elliott: a good example of doing two words probably

[3:34:20] Voice 19: more than two

[3:34:21] Voice 19: and i won't

[3:34:29] Voice 10: forget it i do have the draft letter on right at home so you know i'll bring it up so

[3:34:34] Trustee Elliott: what page of the agenda uh

[3:34:38] Voice 10: it's page of the agenda and page three of the draft minutes

[3:34:46] Trustee Elliott: so through the chair um with with the update to the agenda and i think the update coming through

[3:34:54] Trustee Elliott: trustee yates that wasn't added in time for the

[3:34:58] Trustee Elliott: agenda to be published so um unfortunately at

[3:35:02] Trustee Elliott: this point in time i haven't um been able to have a discussion with senior management about

[3:35:09] Trustee Elliott: out strike action that's happening and services at this point in time but i anticipate we will

[3:35:16] Trustee Elliott: have to just note that in the fall action list that's what i would suggest yeah um that the

[3:35:22] Trustee Elliott: letter's been drafted and i'll go from there so i'll see what else is coming through and we can

[3:35:28] Trustee Elliott: continue to get that letter in a good spot okay but note in the fall action list that a letter

[3:35:35] Trustee Elliott: is very good um i thought the reason we dropped off the follow-up action list is because the ltc

[3:35:45] Trustee Elliott: as a body cannot write letters not related to language planning and the reason it went to

[3:35:52] Trustee Elliott: executive committee as an advocacy letter and then returned here was um advocacy has to come

[3:36:03] Trustee Elliott: the direction of the committee but it came back because it wasn't getting done because we don't

[3:36:08] Trustee Elliott: have staff capacity to deal with these advocacy issues and that was why the direction was that

[3:36:13] Trustee Elliott: a trustee could write it on letterhead but it can't it shouldn't be taking up staff time

[3:36:18] Trustee Elliott: is my impression because it's not a land use related matter that's

[3:36:25] Voice 10: why that is yeah that is

[3:36:27] Voice 10: correct and so the thing is though i had to write that letter and it is supposed to go on

[3:36:32] Voice 10: letterhead trust letterhead and it is supposed to go out at some point um so this don't want

[3:36:38] Voice 10: to be lost entirely that's all yeah it shouldn't be added

[3:36:42] Trustee Elliott: to the fuel if it's not for staff to do

[3:36:44] Trustee Elliott: like we have letterhead to use yeah is that not so through the chair i get what trustee

[3:36:50] Trustee Elliott: elliot is saying yes okay so because we know in the minutes to remove that item from the

[3:36:58] Trustee Elliott: call action list um that piece of sends you the letterhead we can just take care of that okay

[3:37:05] Trustee Elliott: right um i think what i would suggest is perhaps flag it anyways with trust area services so they

[3:37:13] Trustee Elliott: have a moment to take a look at it before you send it out it's always a good practice to do that

[3:37:18] Trustee Elliott: so when that happens the timing up but we can take care of that step to get

[3:37:23] Voice 10: it great thank you

[3:37:25] Voice 10: Because I think Trustee Elliott had one to write as well.

[3:37:27] Voice 10: Same deal.

[3:37:29] Voice 10: In support of the

[3:37:29] Voice 15: school, yeah.

[3:37:33] Voice 15: Okay, great.

[3:37:34] Voice 15: I don't have any issues with the letters or the minutes.

[3:37:42] Voice 11: I have a, oh, sorry, no, follow-up action.

[3:37:47] Voice 11: Minutes are good.

[3:37:48] Voice 28: Okay, so by general consent, we can attend the minutes.

[3:37:52] Voice 28: Okay.

[3:37:53] Voice 28: Okay.

[3:37:55] Voice 28: So now business rights for a minute.

[3:37:57] Voice 28: 8.1 we have follow-up action listed on page 16 questions just

[3:38:05] Voice 10: one for me um page 18 on the

[3:38:09] Voice 10: follow in the in the um agenda package page three of follow-up action report are we still looking at

[3:38:17] Voice 10: um a november 20th public hearing date for the moan application something

[3:38:25] Voice 15: changed with that date

[3:38:27] Voice 15: right? I

[3:38:28] Voice 11: don't know. I just, I don't know what I should

[3:38:30] Voice 15: say. There was a CRM scheduled.

[3:38:32] Voice 15: Oh, this

[3:38:36] Voice 10: action list? Yeah, follow-up action list. Number two on page three of the follow-up

[3:38:43] Voice 10: action list is public hearings scheduled for November 20th. I just want to make sure I don't

[3:38:50] Voice 10: miss that um it

[3:38:52] Voice 10: was originally scheduled for november 17th

[3:38:55] Trustee Elliott: but the only thing else

[3:38:56] Trustee Elliott: because i remember we had a lot of back and forth with lisa about the date

[3:39:06] Trustee Elliott: on the 17th the evening was what it was scheduled for after the code of

[3:39:17] Trustee Elliott: through the chair i'm just moving a little bit slower because i'm pulling up some dots

[3:39:23] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[3:39:23] Voice 10: no worries i'm

[3:39:25] Trustee Elliott: flipping back and forth here um the moan so this is a rezoning application

[3:39:30] Trustee Elliott: that we're referring to as moan that's the applicant the update for that is found on 14.4

[3:39:38] Trustee Elliott: of the agenda um the date so that's on page 71 okay i'll give you the specific page number

[3:39:48] Trustee Elliott: yep here

[3:39:50] Voice 19: we are um

[3:39:53] Trustee Elliott: specific page number 74 of the agenda so the update is that it's in progress

[3:40:01] Trustee Elliott: and what i can share is that there is a public hearing um that is being prepared for targeting

[3:40:10] Trustee Elliott: I normally just advertise when it goes out, so I'll have to double check this, but looking

[3:40:19] Trustee Elliott: at a public hearing in November.

[3:40:20] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:40:21] Voice 11: Probably November 20th then.

[3:40:24] Voice 19: If it

[3:40:25] Voice 11: were to install

[3:40:26] Trustee Elliott: the press committee meeting, that would be the date.

[3:40:28] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[3:40:29] Trustee Elliott: So what I would just want to confirm is that that's the target date that staff have noted,

[3:40:34] Trustee Elliott: it um just with recent um brief progress and staff here i just want to confirm yeah so

[3:40:44] Trustee Elliott: public hearing

[3:40:45] Trustee Elliott: if the data is selected there will be advertising going out in the local paper um stating the date

[3:40:54] Trustee Elliott: and the time as well on the occasion so it looks like the november meeting is going to be named

[3:41:01] Voice 19: to work okay what's

[3:41:08] Voice 27: your safety also with all of action list yes

[3:41:11] item

[3:41:13] Voice 20: eight so

[3:41:18] Trustee Elliott: um we had a conversation about the um what would be needed to

[3:41:29] Trustee Elliott: make this request for legal advice and uh i said in a motion just

[3:41:40] Voice 15: gotta look for it

[3:41:42] Voice 15: apologies

[3:41:43] Voice 11: it was this

[3:41:43] Voice 15: morning don't worry yeah right

[3:41:46] Voice 11: so

[3:41:48] Voice 15: then yeah

[3:41:52] Voice 3: let me just make the motion

[3:41:56] Voice 3: and then have discussion

[3:42:04] Voice 23: okay go

[3:42:18] Voice 28: forward i'm just waiting for renee

[3:42:21] Voice 28: she's giving you

[3:42:23] Voice 28: a thumbs up

[3:42:24] Trustee Elliott: i move that gabriella local trust committee direct staff to seek legal advice

[3:42:30] Trustee Elliott: on legal risks and factors the LTC should consider

[3:42:35] Trustee Elliott: in order to rezone lands for which a community amenity contribution

[3:42:40] Trustee Elliott: was donated, comma, and which is subject to active application

[3:42:46] Trustee Elliott: for subdivision, comma, and during a current official community plan review.

[3:42:58] Voice 11: I'll second that.

[3:43:05] Voice 28: You've got motion.

[3:43:08] Voice 28: Any further discussion?

[3:43:09] Voice 28: we

[3:43:10] Voice 10: were given advice at our last LTC meeting

[3:43:13] Voice 10: that that would be a good idea to do.

[3:43:15] Voice 10: It's

[3:43:16] Voice 28: always good to have a good idea.

[3:43:18] Voice 10: I wouldn't list the

[3:43:18] Trustee Elliott: factors unless it's not appropriate.

[3:43:23] Trustee Elliott: I mean, there are a number of factors that are known

[3:43:26] Trustee Elliott: that I'm assuming staff would communicate to legal counsel

[3:43:32] Trustee Elliott: in order to support the advice that we're asking.

[3:43:37] Trustee Elliott: Do I need to read out those factors?

[3:43:40] Trustee Elliott: Is there a chair

[3:43:41] Trustee Elliott: that can help in the discussion in any deliberation of the motion?

[3:43:47] Trustee Elliott: We've discussed the motion, so I have some good context and background, but for the purpose

[3:43:52] Trustee Elliott: of the meeting, you're welcome to bring up those factors.

[3:44:01] Trustee Elliott: So I guess the factors that are contextual and are important to understand, because there

[3:44:10] Trustee Elliott: There's a lot of history with this particular property

[3:44:14] Trustee Elliott: when heard from the property owner today.

[3:44:19] Trustee Elliott: So 35 out of 49 potential densities,

[3:44:24] Trustee Elliott: which had been agreed upon

[3:44:28] Trustee Elliott: and were potentially to be able to be realized

[3:44:38] Trustee Elliott: on the properties through this bylaw and density transfer,

[3:44:42] Trustee Elliott: 35 out of 49 potential densities have been realized.

[3:44:47] Trustee Elliott: It has been 20 years since the bylaw was drafted

[3:44:52] Trustee Elliott: and the density transfer was put in place in 2005.

[3:44:59] Trustee Elliott: There is currently an active official community plan

[3:45:03] Trustee Elliott: through the local trust committee

[3:45:05] Trustee Elliott: in which community values are coming forward

[3:45:11] Trustee Elliott: words that do not support additional subdivision, particularly where water is scarce and over

[3:45:19] Trustee Elliott: areas of significant cultural heritage.

[3:45:22] Trustee Elliott: There is continuing non-consent to the proposed development expressed by the name of First

[3:45:28] Trustee Elliott: Nations since 2009, when discussion of subdivision first began.

[3:45:33] Trustee Elliott: Again, there is the issue of the failure of the crown to uphold the Sarlaccan Treaty of 1854

[3:45:42] Trustee Elliott: that entailed obligations on the crown to protect some of the most village sites

[3:45:50] Trustee Elliott: of which this particular parcel is connected to an ancient significant village site.

[3:45:58] Trustee Elliott: the fact that it is over significant burial grounds

[3:46:02] Trustee Elliott: and connected to the village of Tlaichin

[3:46:05] Trustee Elliott: that there was in 2019 a subdivision application request

[3:46:10] Trustee Elliott: that did not fail or did not move forward for whatever reason

[3:46:15] Trustee Elliott: that the LTC stated in 2021, I believe, sorry

[3:46:21] Trustee Elliott: non-support for the application

[3:46:23] Trustee Elliott: and reiterated in 2024 with an application referral from MOTT again that it did not support

[3:46:31] Trustee Elliott: the application the LTC has refused to issue a permit for the DP steep slopes DP6 and then the

[3:46:41] Trustee Elliott: factors of what consideration or compensation for the landowners should the LTC consider

[3:46:47] Trustee Elliott: consider and that there is a covenant on title for conservation which may bump up against the

[3:46:54] Trustee Elliott: subdivision request so there's a number of legal questions that can be posed through a rezoning

[3:47:06] Trustee Elliott: can the LTC extinguish remaining 14 densities if it's in the best interest of the community

[3:47:13] Trustee Elliott: or transfer those densities somewhere else?

[3:47:16] Trustee Elliott: What is needed to prove the desire of the community

[3:47:20] Trustee Elliott: with regard to the use of that land?

[3:47:25] Trustee Elliott: Example, through development of OCP policies,

[3:47:28] Trustee Elliott: how strong does the expressed desire of community need to be?

[3:47:32] Trustee Elliott: Is the proponent owed anything for that community and medical contribution?

[3:47:38] Trustee Elliott: Does the LTC have authority to rezone density away from a lot?

[3:47:44] Trustee Elliott: and what risks should be considered if that would be approved as a rezoning amendment

[3:47:50] Trustee Elliott: does the past density swap and transfer better the current ltc's ability to evaluate whether there was

[3:47:58] Trustee Elliott: a sufficient community amenity and therefore justification to rezone the lands

[3:48:04] Trustee Elliott: so it's a very complicated file and i respect that there's a lot of

[3:48:09] Trustee Elliott: um a lot to consider um the ltc is not moving ahead without doing research i think that's what

[3:48:20] Trustee Elliott: we're asking for today is what are our legal obligations um what are the context pieces we

[3:48:27] Trustee Elliott: need to understand um and and there's a there's just a lot of context so we're trying to get that

[3:48:34] Trustee Elliott: information before moving ahead with the decision so i just want to make sure that everybody knows

[3:48:39] Trustee Elliott: that we're trying to do our due diligence and do that research but this

[3:48:46] Trustee Elliott: isn't a foregone conclusion it's just a very challenging area to know what to do

[3:48:56] Trustee Elliott: with so thank you

[3:48:59] Voice 20: any discussion move

[3:49:05] Voice 28: seconded

[3:49:08] Voice 20: call

[3:49:09] Voice 28: a question all in favor

[3:49:10] Voice 28: that carries. Thank you.

[3:49:14] Voice 28: All right, is that it for the follow-up action list? All right, so we move

[3:49:18] Voice 28: down to section 11 on page 20, which is local trust committee projects, major project, Gabriel

[3:49:26] Voice 28: Island comprehensive official community plan and land use bylaw review, engagement feedback and

[3:49:31] Voice 28: direction to draft bylaw. And there is a staff report, and we happen to have a staff member in

[3:49:38] Voice 28: the room so let's

[3:49:42] Voice 27: have some amazing

[3:49:44] Voice 20: just get see them

[3:49:50] Voice 11: don't do that

[3:49:57] Trustee Elliott: so those of us with you for the ones here today we're on 1.1 of the agenda

[3:50:08] Trustee Elliott: Agenda?

[3:50:09] Voice 27: 11.1.

[3:50:10] Trustee Elliott: 11.1, pardon me. We're

[3:50:12] Voice 27: not that far behind. Oh,

[3:50:14] Trustee Elliott: good. 11.1 on the agenda. This is the major project for the Gabriela Island Comprehensive Official Community Plan and Land Use File Review Project.

[3:50:24] Trustee Elliott: project so this is on engagement feedback and direction for drafting so I'll pause my minute

[3:50:34] Trustee Elliott: chair

[3:50:36] Voice 19: I

[3:50:50] Voice 11: have a couple comments go ahead great

[3:50:53] Voice 10: staff report and on page 22 well page three of

[3:50:59] Voice 10: the staff report um under data mapping and freshwater footprint it's i'm really glad to

[3:51:05] Voice 10: see that the um the build-out maps will be presented at the november meeting so looking

[3:51:11] Voice 10: forward to that and um i see that the freshwater footprint is complete and so hopefully that might

[3:51:19] Voice 10: be available also at the november meeting i'm just hoping it doesn't say so

[3:51:26] Voice 20: what says what

[3:51:30] Trustee Elliott: about assessment report to ltc november 2025 in the

[3:51:34] Voice 10: charter oh in the charter yep yep good

[3:51:36] Voice 10: yeah good so we will have that it's great and i had more comments later but more to do with

[3:51:44] Voice 10: the shoreline buffer zone i had a couple things to say about that but i will wait to see what

[3:51:51] Voice 10: trustee elliott has to say um

[3:51:54] Trustee Elliott: well thank you for to staff for this uh i hope you convey to

[3:51:59] Trustee Elliott: to our planner when work resumes.

[3:52:02] Trustee Elliott: So through the

[3:52:02] Voice 1: chair, I'm happy

[3:52:03] Trustee Elliott: to do an overview.

[3:52:04] Trustee Elliott: Yes, please, let's do that.

[3:52:06] Voice 10: But

[3:52:07] Trustee Elliott: I'm also happy to,

[3:52:08] Trustee Elliott: because I'll have to jump between presenting

[3:52:10] Trustee Elliott: and the recommendations.

[3:52:11] Voice 10: And the recommendations.

[3:52:13] Trustee Elliott: One of the thoughts before I jump.

[3:52:14] Trustee Elliott: So I'm happy to do the overview and any questions,

[3:52:17] Trustee Elliott: and then I'll be jumping just to capture

[3:52:19] Trustee Elliott: some general minutes.

[3:52:21] Trustee Elliott: And I also know through the chair

[3:52:23] Trustee Elliott: that there are some questions that were posed

[3:52:24] Trustee Elliott: during the public comments that I've captured,

[3:52:27] Trustee Elliott: so we can talk about those.

[3:52:28] Trustee Elliott: so would you like me to give an overview first you want to share your comments

[3:52:33] Trustee Elliott: how can you do either one at your level

[3:52:35] Voice 27: besties what's your pleasure overview so

[3:52:38] Voice 27: so

[3:52:39] Voice 11: first

[3:52:46] Voice 31: of

[3:52:51] Trustee Elliott: all i wanted to give a shout out to the great work that

[3:52:59] Trustee Elliott: Island Planner Narissa Chadwick has done with through support from from staff from the planning

[3:53:08] Trustee Elliott: team assistant from TAS and the Island other planners supporting the project as well and

[3:53:15] Trustee Elliott: helping out with engagement sessions and material and things like that so I'll do I'll do my best

[3:53:23] Voice 15: through through

[3:53:24] Trustee Elliott: uh primary check right here so um part of this so this report presented to the

[3:53:30] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee is to provide an update it's to share a final summary of the focus group

[3:53:39] Trustee Elliott: engagement and topic focused survey and the engagement session on the reimagining growth

[3:53:45] Trustee Elliott: that's for the local trust committee's review it's also to prevent uh present the community profile

[3:53:51] Trustee Elliott: file for the local trust committee's review and then there's two items for the local trust

[3:53:56] Trustee Elliott: committee's endorsement the draft table of contents for the OCP and the revised project charter

[3:54:03] Trustee Elliott: there's also a request for directions to provide to ask staff give staff the okay to

[3:54:12] Trustee Elliott: proceed with drafting the bylaw based on the table of contents so before I go into that

[3:54:17] Trustee Elliott: I think it was just important to capture that, a reflection that there has been quite a large

[3:54:24] Trustee Elliott: amount of comments received.

[3:54:26] Trustee Elliott: There was over 500 responses for all of the engagement, and we're currently in the second

[3:54:31] Trustee Elliott: phase of engagement, of major engagement.

[3:54:34] Trustee Elliott: And this is a degree of engagement that Planner Chad Lachey was sharing is outstanding and

[3:54:41] Trustee Elliott: something that will inform the OCP policies really well.

[3:54:45] Trustee Elliott: and the comments captured over this recent phase of engagement has been gathered in a few different

[3:54:51] Trustee Elliott: and there's some reflections on the success and learning from this particular engagement

[3:54:58] Trustee Elliott: for the gabriella project that can be used as an engagement approach for other projects in

[3:55:04] Trustee Elliott: the trust moving forward so this work reflects the second phase of the reader engagement prior

[3:55:10] Trustee Elliott: prior to drafting the official community plan policies.

[3:55:14] Trustee Elliott: This includes special meetings with focus groups,

[3:55:18] Trustee Elliott: so focused workshop sessions to discuss topics

[3:55:21] Trustee Elliott: and the focus survey that closed on October 3rd.

[3:55:25] Trustee Elliott: The staff report shares what I just went over,

[3:55:29] Trustee Elliott: highlights and key summary of this community engagement

[3:55:32] Trustee Elliott: and a final summary provided for the LTC's review.

[3:55:37] Trustee Elliott: Some of the, I'm happy to go over

[3:55:39] Trustee Elliott: some of the highlights of the engagement.

[3:55:40] Trustee Elliott: That's in the report as well.

[3:55:43] Trustee Elliott: Community engagement related to the vision, principles and goals discussion that was had

[3:55:50] Trustee Elliott: included in the survey and there were over 300 respondents to that.

[3:55:54] Voice 15: And

[3:55:55] Trustee Elliott: that was community-led engagement events in a community meeting.

[3:55:59] Trustee Elliott: There were focus groups who reviewed draft policy language was also informed, was informed

[3:56:07] Trustee Elliott: by previous community feedback.

[3:56:08] Trustee Elliott: and that was where there were also there was also community survey with over 590 respondents

[3:56:15] Trustee Elliott: so quite a large amount of engagement which is great focus group feedback emphasized water

[3:56:21] Trustee Elliott: protection environmental sustainability and clear enforcement policies so that feedback that was

[3:56:28] Trustee Elliott: heard survey respondents identified a number of climate related environmental changes such as

[3:56:35] Trustee Elliott: drier summers, lower groundwater, forest stress and erosion and prioritized protection of sensitive

[3:56:42] Trustee Elliott: areas. There was also a discussion of growth management that was requested by the LTC as an

[3:56:50] Trustee Elliott: additional topic for outreach and that involves a survey and workshop focused on questions relating

[3:56:56] Trustee Elliott: to those options to address related to residential density. Workshop participants also emphasize that

[3:57:04] Trustee Elliott: housing must prioritize affordability options for local workers and flexible models such as

[3:57:10] Trustee Elliott: co-housing secondary units and cluster housing while discouraging work period oversized students

[3:57:17] Trustee Elliott: so that was some of the comments heard today during the public comment session of our meeting

[3:57:21] Trustee Elliott: today the focus there was a focused survey with key questions related to addressing growth and

[3:57:28] Trustee Elliott: change that was provided so that was the recent survey um and to date i believe there was 110

[3:57:33] Trustee Elliott: than 10 responses I think over that at this point and um pardon me that was a focus survey

[3:57:39] Trustee Elliott: that was focused on subdivision and alternative approaches to rezoning a secondary dwelling so

[3:57:45] Trustee Elliott: that was a previous survey pardon me the one that closed on the third right okay

[3:57:50] Trustee Elliott: so just to clarify

[3:57:51] Trustee Elliott: that that's my my apologies so another note I wanted to share um while there were some differences

[3:58:01] Trustee Elliott: responses. Overall, staff reported to having quite a significant amount of feedback. And all over time, and a lot of that has been consistent with what was heard during the focus group workshops and surveys.

[3:58:17] Trustee Elliott: face so also um i can pause here but maybe i'll i'll go over the table of contents we'll talk a

[3:58:29] Trustee Elliott: little bit about the table of contents about something for the ltc's um endorsement question

[3:58:35] Trustee Elliott: before we move on to that um so the community engagement in the staff report there isn't

[3:58:42] Trustee Elliott: the links aren't working okay in the summary reports and i cannot find them online

[3:58:48] Trustee Elliott: the line um

[3:58:50] Voice 27: why they're not working well

[3:58:53] Trustee Elliott: the summary report for the phase of the second

[3:58:58] Trustee Elliott: attachment to the 590 respondents with that community survey that's not working that one

[3:59:07] Trustee Elliott: is not working that's not neither of them are working okay so i think that was a problem when

[3:59:12] Trustee Elliott: we published the agenda and i can't find them on the website either okay so i don't know where

[3:59:18] Trustee Elliott: that like what we heard there's only what we heard stuff from the first phase but there isn't from

[3:59:23] Trustee Elliott: the second phase unless it's the staff reports but the summary report that we see I don't find

[3:59:34] Trustee Elliott: online anyway so I think we'll have to sort that out because I

[3:59:39] Voice 19: just

[3:59:40] Voice 15: have

[3:59:45] Voice 10: a really quick question

[3:59:46] Voice 10: I have a question too, Manager Jamaret. On page 25 in the milestone in the work plan overview, page 25, it says first reading.

[4:00:00] Voice 10: April 2025 and

[4:00:03] Voice 11: that I that can't be right April 2026 maybe this

[4:00:14] Trustee Elliott: is on the project charter yeah

[4:00:16] Voice 11: on page 25 through

[4:00:21] Trustee Elliott: the chair that should read uh public public engagement review of the official

[4:00:27] Trustee Elliott: community by draft policy language and development primary that should read I believe 2026 okay

[4:00:34] Trustee Elliott: because first reading has not

[4:00:36] Trustee Elliott: occurred yet

[4:00:36] Trustee Elliott: and that would also be

[4:00:38] Trustee Elliott: so apologies

[4:00:41] Trustee Elliott: for that

[4:00:44] Voice 15: and

[4:00:49] Voice 3: then to follow

[4:00:51] Trustee Elliott: that I'll check

[4:00:54] Trustee Elliott: in on that

[4:00:55] Trustee Elliott: so it should

[4:00:57] Trustee Elliott: say February 2026 for that first

[4:01:00] Trustee Elliott: milestone to draft the policy

[4:01:02] Trustee Elliott: language

[4:01:04] Trustee Elliott: and then public engagement

[4:01:07] Trustee Elliott: review the OCP draft

[4:01:08] Trustee Elliott: language so

[4:01:10] Trustee Elliott: February to April 2025

[4:01:12] Trustee Elliott: yep

[4:01:13] Trustee Elliott: that should be 26

[4:01:16] Trustee Elliott: that should be 26

[4:01:17] Trustee Elliott: I think we'll double check on that

[4:01:19] Trustee Elliott: we'll have to go back and just

[4:01:21] Trustee Elliott: I don't want to

[4:01:23] Trustee Elliott: share incorrect

[4:01:25] Trustee Elliott: we can do an ADPA prioritization

[4:01:27] Trustee Elliott: and then the first

[4:01:30] Trustee Elliott: reading hasn't occurred yet so that's clearly

[4:01:32] Trustee Elliott: 26

[4:01:32] Voice 31: legal review

[4:01:35] Voice 31: public review

[4:01:37] Voice 31: review those relevant points in the United States.

[4:01:42] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:01:46] Voice 19: OK, I'm glad with the question.

[4:01:47] Voice 19: Thank you.

[4:01:51] Voice 23: Thanks.

[4:01:56] Voice 11: Are you finished doing your staff report, Arsene

[4:01:59] Voice 11: and Janet?

[4:02:00] Voice 11: I have a couple more things.

[4:02:01] Voice 11: I interrupted her.

[4:02:02] Voice 10: You

[4:02:03] Voice 23: finish,

[4:02:04] Voice 10: and then we can both ask a couple more questions.

[4:02:08] Trustee Elliott: I'm just looking through the charts,

[4:02:10] Trustee Elliott: looking at the business case, and that reflects 2026 dates.

[4:02:17] Voice 19: So I hope that changes. Thank you.

[4:02:24] Voice 19: So

[4:02:29] Voice 3: jumping back in here,

[4:02:31] Trustee Elliott: what I also wanted to capture was the table of contents for the

[4:02:38] Trustee Elliott: LLC's endorsement. The table of contents and the revised project charter. So the table of contents

[4:02:46] Trustee Elliott: will allow staff to use um so it outlines what it does is it outlines it looks a bit different than

[4:02:55] Trustee Elliott: what you may have seen in other official community plans so the intent of that is to um what staff

[4:03:03] Trustee Elliott: found is there were a lot of redundant sections okay so that helps to reduce that redundancy scene

[4:03:08] Trustee Elliott: and organize it in a more consistent and clearer way.

[4:03:17] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, good.

[4:03:19] Trustee Elliott: Also to note that you'll see in the draft table content,

[4:03:23] Trustee Elliott: so for the LTC's endorsement,

[4:03:26] Trustee Elliott: what staff will do is then use that table of contents

[4:03:28] Trustee Elliott: to begin drafting the policies based on those sections.

[4:03:32] Trustee Elliott: You'll note that there's an advocacy and implementation section.

[4:03:35] Trustee Elliott: So that's to help focus advocacy actions

[4:03:38] Trustee Elliott: actions and to inform a gabriela vision 2050 implementation plan which would then focus on

[4:03:45] Trustee Elliott: implementing actions that are not within the homeless trust jurisdiction okay so the purpose

[4:03:51] Trustee Elliott: of that implementation and advocacy section is to include

[4:03:56] Trustee Elliott: items like that in that section

[4:03:59] Trustee Elliott: so that the LPC can go back after the OCP is adopted and select any items for action that

[4:04:07] Trustee Elliott: can be done in the future for other projects.

[4:04:11] Voice 10: That's great that's so

[4:04:12] Voice 10: much more organized.

[4:04:14] Voice 10: That's great and and we all know my favorite topic is the DAI

[4:04:18] Voice 10: so any

[4:04:20] Trustee Elliott: ideas that come through the official community plan engagement process the policy

[4:04:24] Trustee Elliott: work that can be included in that section in that section. Yeah

[4:04:27] Trustee Elliott: it's wonderful it's a way better.

[4:04:30] Trustee Elliott: and for the updated project charter um that's been updated and revised reflect updated timelines

[4:04:40] Trustee Elliott: it also reflects the next fiscal business case which is a report to follow on this agenda and

[4:04:47] Trustee Elliott: we just blanked the dates so thank you

[4:04:48] Voice 15: and

[4:04:51] Trustee Elliott: um yes so the ltc is being asked to give direction

[4:04:55] Trustee Elliott: to staff to proceed with drafting the work mentioned above and there has been some work

[4:05:03] Trustee Elliott: already started by planners and the planning team to review the focus group results in

[4:05:10] Trustee Elliott: and the LTC has informed staff as well through some of this early pieces on writing of the

[4:05:17] Trustee Elliott: policies so at this point in time we're at an important critical stage of the project

[4:05:23] Trustee Elliott: where there's been a substantial amount

[4:05:25] Trustee Elliott: of community engagement,

[4:05:26] Trustee Elliott: lots of community feedback provided

[4:05:29] Trustee Elliott: and staff are feeling confident moving forward

[4:05:31] Trustee Elliott: to use that feedback into writing the bylaws

[4:05:34] Trustee Elliott: and including from there.

[4:05:38] Voice 10: Yeah.

[4:05:40] Voice 27: Question?

[4:05:41] Voice 27: It's

[4:05:42] Voice 10: a question, I think it makes sense.

[4:05:43] Voice 10: It's out of scope

[4:05:45] Voice 10: for the new development permit area mapping,

[4:05:48] Voice 10: but I'm assuming that because DPAs

[4:05:51] Voice 10: are on the schedule eventually,

[4:05:53] Voice 10: that at some point, budget-wise, it will be in scope

[4:05:57] Voice 10: because the development permit areas are so important, you know,

[4:06:03] Voice 10: and we certainly had a really helpful group working just on DPAs

[4:06:08] Voice 10: when they had the environment focus group.

[4:06:11] Voice 10: And so I'm assuming that it's out of scope in this particular charter,

[4:06:16] Voice 10: but it will be in scope hopefully in the next one because we've got...

[4:06:22] Voice 10: That

[4:06:23] Voice 5: was a question for me too.

[4:06:24] Voice 10: Yeah,

[4:06:25] Voice 5: we've got the,

[4:06:25] Voice 10: there was a lot of comments about DPAs

[4:06:29] Voice 10: for cultural heritage and for environmental protection.

[4:06:34] Voice 10: And, you know, even the shoreline buffer that we're looking at now

[4:06:38] Voice 10: as a discussion topic could involve DPAs.

[4:06:43] Voice 10: So, yeah,

[4:06:45] Voice 11: can you give a timeline on that?

[4:06:49] Voice 27: Go ahead.

[4:06:50] Trustee Elliott: Through the chair, I'm looking at the business case,

[4:06:53] Trustee Elliott: which is also on the agenda for the for next fiscal and on under phase 3 which

[4:07:01] Trustee Elliott: is a completion of OCP draft even readings in that stage noted is the

[4:07:07] Trustee Elliott: development permit area of prioritization which is more of an

[4:07:10] Trustee Elliott: analysis and discussion okay

[4:07:12] Voice 6: and

[4:07:13] Trustee Elliott: that'll be on I mean page 61 of the agenda right

[4:07:18] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So

[4:07:20] Trustee Elliott: the charter is, so every time we revise the charter, it comes back for approval.

[4:07:29] Trustee Elliott: So we're just approving a charter for the next year, phase two, but phase three, which is supported by a business case for 2026-27, would presumably be phase three, and that's going to have DPAs.

[4:07:51] Trustee Elliott: it looks like here all right so on

[4:07:53] Trustee Elliott: page 25 of the agenda which is the revised project charter

[4:07:57] Trustee Elliott: you'll see there um phase three of project lubbi which don't approve information initiated in june

[4:08:07] Trustee Elliott: 2026 so this project charter contemplates some of those next steps happening into the next fiscal

[4:08:13] Trustee Elliott: so this revised project chart is to reflect the work that's happening now and should the ltc give

[4:08:20] Trustee Elliott: to go ahead to endorse and move forward with the the bylaw drafting

[4:08:24] Voice 14: with

[4:08:25] Trustee Elliott: the approved business case

[4:08:27] Trustee Elliott: that comes through from trust council through the budgeting process

[4:08:31] Voice 5: the budget the lead

[4:08:32] Trustee Elliott: planner

[4:08:34] Trustee Elliott: the project planner will look at the work to date and may need to revise or update the project

[4:08:40] Trustee Elliott: charter they'll give you an update on the project and any changes that come through that the idea

[4:08:47] Trustee Elliott: I don't believe much would change here, but again, I'm going to defer to the project planner.

[4:08:54] Trustee Elliott: I'm just noting that there is some next steps noted in the project charter you're advising now, which captures we're moving into phase three in next fiscal.

[4:09:03] Trustee Elliott: And that work is captured, phase three work is captured in the next business case.

[4:09:10] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[4:09:10] Trustee Elliott: Yep.

[4:09:11] Trustee Elliott: So your question about the work alone.

[4:09:13] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[4:09:14] Trustee Elliott: Gotcha.

[4:09:20] Voice 10: I think I was just confused because it said out of scope so I you know that for this particular

[4:09:27] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[4:09:27] Voice 10: yeah yeah

[4:09:28] Trustee Elliott: can we look at the charter now or do we want to go through the report

[4:09:34] Trustee Elliott: still I'm good with the report yeah

[4:09:36] Voice 10: me too it's a great report except

[4:09:38] Trustee Elliott: for the fact there are

[4:09:39] Trustee Elliott: limits yeah but that's okay that's our agenda publishing

[4:09:45] Trustee Elliott: for that no worries i'll follow up with you yeah

[4:09:53] Voice 19: engagement

[4:09:55] Trustee Elliott: prior to first reading so there is a

[4:09:57] Trustee Elliott: question from nancy about where the um public hearing would be um so this dates community

[4:10:11] Trustee Elliott: Community engagement will be held on draft OCP language prior to first reading, but it's not articulating when the public hearing happens, which is typically after first reading and before second and third.

[4:10:29] Trustee Elliott: So public hearing through the chair, public hearing, that information, I'm going to look to the business case.

[4:10:36] Trustee Elliott: so

[4:10:42] Voice 19: on

[4:10:56] Trustee Elliott: page 64 of the agenda which is under the business case so there's a milestone table that

[4:11:04] Trustee Elliott: gives the next steps of the work that will be done next year the public hearing is under milestone

[4:11:11] Trustee Elliott: phase three which includes second reading third reading public hearing for the official

[4:11:21] Voice 3: phase

[4:11:22] Trustee Elliott: three milestone is in that blue table called deliverables and milestones

[4:11:31] Voice 15: ph

[4:11:32] Trustee Elliott: is our short form

[4:11:37] Trustee Elliott: so i'm page 40 sorry 64 on the agenda oh i was looking at under the business case

[4:11:43] Trustee Elliott: oh

[4:11:44] Voice 4: we don't work with that right so the work

[4:11:47] Trustee Elliott: the idea is that the public hearing would happen so

[4:11:50] Trustee Elliott: So second reading, this is when the bylaw draft has come to the LTC.

[4:11:54] Trustee Elliott: The LTC has said we're going to give first, just after first reading.

[4:12:00] Trustee Elliott: Second reading, third reading, and public hearing is proposed in June,

[4:12:05] Trustee Elliott: to happen between June and September of 2020.

[4:12:10] Voice 10: And what's AOA again?

[4:12:13] Voice 10: Archaeological.

[4:12:14] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[4:12:14] Voice 10: Okay.

[4:12:15] Voice 10: I know Nancy.

[4:12:18] Voice 10: We'll update that.

[4:12:19] Trustee Elliott: Heritage Protection Area.

[4:12:21] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[4:12:21] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, NDAI, it's all, well, I mean, I'm sorry,

[4:12:25] Trustee Elliott: but acronyms are where we stand.

[4:12:29] Voice 28: But one of the things is there's contextual stuff

[4:12:32] Voice 28: because planters use it all the time.

[4:12:34] Voice 28: We use it some of the time.

[4:12:35] Voice 28: The public never uses it.

[4:12:37] Trustee Elliott: No, but it's in the report.

[4:12:39] Trustee Elliott: It's just like in a very brief table,

[4:12:41] Trustee Elliott: there just isn't time to write out archaeological stuff.

[4:12:46] Voice 28: But maybe we should, with any

[4:12:48] Voice 28: public-facing documents.

[4:12:49] Voice 28: We

[4:12:50] Trustee Elliott: can try, yeah.

[4:12:52] Trustee Elliott: milestone OCP public hearing I think yeah public hearing should be spelled

[4:12:58] Trustee Elliott: out for sure but I see it's there now thank you

[4:13:01] Trustee Elliott: thanks public engagement on

[4:13:05] Trustee Elliott: the LUB then DAI and then first reading on the LUB really that's very ambitious

[4:13:19] Trustee Elliott: to get your first reading and right at the end of term so through the chair

[4:13:24] Trustee Elliott: We're still on the official community plan project update with the project charter talking about the pieces of engagement.

[4:13:32] Trustee Elliott: So if there's any comments on the project charter, if not, that's great.

[4:13:36] Trustee Elliott: I might suggest we address the questions during public comment.

[4:13:40] Trustee Elliott: I think we all go back to those.

[4:13:42] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that was it, is to add the project charter just doesn't look like it was updated to include the budget from 2025-26 fiscal this year.

[4:13:51] Trustee Elliott: so that should be added

[4:13:54] Trustee Elliott: and

[4:13:59] Trustee Elliott: those dates do look

[4:14:02] Trustee Elliott: very ambitious

[4:14:03] Trustee Elliott: well no no the 2025

[4:14:05] Trustee Elliott: needs to be changed to 26

[4:14:07] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[4:14:08] Voice 16: reading

[4:14:12] Trustee Elliott: no maybe it's not

[4:14:14] Trustee Elliott: public engagement is

[4:14:15] Trustee Elliott: February to April 2025

[4:14:17] Trustee Elliott: that's fair

[4:14:18] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:14:19] Voice 10: was looking at this other one here

[4:14:20] Voice 10: but I don't know it's like a year

[4:14:22] Voice 10: In

[4:14:22] Trustee Elliott: the project charter what you're seeing as the milestone second, third reading for June 2026 is reflective, they align with the next report.

[4:14:32] Trustee Elliott: And then legal review, I guess just to answer that question, what is entailed in legal review, what is reviewed?

[4:14:41] Trustee Elliott: So for large projects like the Fish and Community Plan review, part of the process to do a legal review

[4:14:49] Trustee Elliott: is to ask for um any legal comment on the policies that have been drafted the maps that have been

[4:15:00] Trustee Elliott: drafted um while while it's uh after first reading before adoption before following adoption yeah

[4:15:09] Trustee Elliott: and that's to come back with any feedback on considerations the local trust committee would

[4:15:16] Trustee Elliott: consider if there's a policy the wage drafted may not be within your authority for example or may

[4:15:23] Trustee Elliott: be speaking to a policy on another agency's authority so it's those kinds of um comments

[4:15:31] Trustee Elliott: um that we ask uh legal to provide we want to i think the the approach is for these legal reviews

[4:15:40] Trustee Elliott: use on your land use documents is to make sure that what the LDC is putting forward is a legally

[4:15:48] Trustee Elliott: enforceable document that will not be

[4:15:51] Trustee Elliott: challenged yes yeah we

[4:15:53] Voice 4: can actually do

[4:15:53] Trustee Elliott: the things that the

[4:15:54] Trustee Elliott: community is saying they want to do great

[4:15:58] Voice 15: love it

[4:15:59] Voice 15: um

[4:16:01] Trustee Elliott: yep I think just cleaning up the background a

[4:16:05] Trustee Elliott: bit um yeah there's a lot of work

[4:16:09] Voice 4: that's gone into this and I'm going to excited to see the

[4:16:12] Voice 4: the draft policy language are we

[4:16:17] Voice 11: ready for a motion

[4:16:19] Voice 23: I'm

[4:16:23] Voice 15: just

[4:16:25] Trustee Elliott: on the Charter

[4:16:25] Voice 15: yeah

[4:16:26] Trustee Elliott: just on that I think the Charter is good well that's the second one should

[4:16:32] Trustee Elliott: we go

[4:16:32] Trustee Elliott: through the yeah the first one

[4:16:35] Voice 28: zero two motions yeah

[4:16:36] Voice 15: drop table of

[4:16:40] Voice 15: contents so we can

[4:16:42] Trustee Elliott: amend it it was slightly

[4:16:43] Voice 15: right if

[4:16:45] Trustee Elliott: there was anything

[4:16:46] Trustee Elliott: Anything that leapt out at us about the community, or sorry, the community profile, we didn't

[4:16:53] Trustee Elliott: really get to that.

[4:16:57] Trustee Elliott: I guess it is what it is.

[4:16:59] Trustee Elliott: Through the chair, the community profile is for review.

[4:17:01] Trustee Elliott: So if you do notice any, if you have any follow-up questions, we can, I'm

[4:17:07] Trustee Elliott: happy to share that

[4:17:08] Trustee Elliott: with the planner Chadwick or the community coordinator.

[4:17:16] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:17:18] Voice 31: Support.

[4:17:19] Trustee Elliott: report and the

[4:17:23] Voice 19: community profiles attached as far so

[4:17:29] Voice 20: I

[4:17:34] Trustee Elliott: guess there's a question page

[4:17:37] Trustee Elliott: just sort of about consistency page 30 which

[4:17:45] Voice 19: is what we heard report so

[4:17:57] Trustee Elliott: housing options there's

[4:17:59] Trustee Elliott: sort of just a paragraph about you know most opposed to creating new residential lots due

[4:18:06] Trustee Elliott: ecological concerns there's no um data or percentages am i missing it somewhere else

[4:18:13] Trustee Elliott: or as you look down below at commercial industrial resource lands you've got percentages of the

[4:18:19] Trustee Elliott: respondents water you've got percentages and then we've got this common themes across all

[4:18:25] Trustee Elliott: categories i'm missing where the housing uh feedback percentages percentages are

[4:18:35] Trustee Elliott: are that was a big area and again the links in this document aren't but it's just because it

[4:18:48] Trustee Elliott: it's part of the agenda makes it difficult oh the the document the site

[4:18:56] Trustee Elliott: we have links yeah

[4:18:58] Voice 23: so

[4:18:59] Trustee Elliott: am i missing that i can see if i can page 130

[4:19:06] Trustee Elliott: 30 it's

[4:19:10] Voice 15: kind of in the report but it's not in the what we heard document and i think that's

[4:19:15] Voice 15: a big omission and

[4:19:20] Voice 30: that could be something that's fine actually

[4:19:21] Trustee Elliott: you know think back for um we can

[4:19:24] Trustee Elliott: capture that and offline um but more of a general in the community profile you know what we heard

[4:19:37] Trustee Elliott: the housing options is more of a summary as opposed to a percentage.

[4:19:42] Trustee Elliott: I understand, but there are two other sections that follow have detailed breakdowns of feedback,

[4:19:50] Trustee Elliott: and yet housing has been such a focus.

[4:19:52] Trustee Elliott: It would make sense that if you're going to have data represented in this What We Heard document,

[4:19:59] Trustee Elliott: that we have a little bit more housing options.

[4:20:04] Trustee Elliott: And it could be, I wouldn't be able to provide a reason through the analysis, but that could

[4:20:11] Trustee Elliott: be something.

[4:20:11] Trustee Elliott: I think just feedback.

[4:20:13] Trustee Elliott: That's a good question.

[4:20:13] Trustee Elliott: Perfect.

[4:20:14] Voice 4: Because

[4:20:15] Voice 11: it certainly shows up in this one.

[4:20:17] Voice 11: Yeah.

[4:20:18] Voice 11: Yeah.

[4:20:20] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:20:23] Trustee Elliott: So we definitely want to let the community know we're relying on feedback and data that

[4:20:27] Trustee Elliott: they are telling us and what's guiding decisions.

[4:20:30] Trustee Elliott: decisions so unless this summary is part of the what we heard report like it seems to be a

[4:20:46] Trustee Elliott: different attachment so if this what we heard report is all that is appearing like from this

[4:20:52] Trustee Elliott: large engagement then i would say it needs to be a little bit more in depth right it's fortified

[4:21:04] Trustee Elliott: well it's in the summary yep and then you know what i think staff said that they were

[4:21:12] Trustee Elliott: i think it's because we just had the survey closed on october 1st and staff probably prepared this

[4:21:21] Trustee Elliott: like a day before october 1st in order to meet the deadline for this agenda i think there's a

[4:21:26] Trustee Elliott: note in there that this is a brief summary and that there would be a more detailed summary

[4:21:32] Voice 15: i bet you're right to follow where

[4:21:39] Voice 19: was that so

[4:21:45] Trustee Elliott: there will be there will be more opportunities

[4:21:46] Trustee Elliott: for engagement but in terms of the feedback of how this document appears um that could be a question

[4:21:54] Trustee Elliott: i posed with the planner um the idea is that um this is from the report provides a summary of the

[4:22:00] Trustee Elliott: baseline so this profile provides a summary of baseline conditions and markers to look at trends

[4:22:06] Trustee Elliott: so it provides a current context for understanding and assessing potential impacts

[4:22:12] Trustee Elliott: as it relates to the land use and to inform the OCP and the land use bylaw so it's also found on

[4:22:22] Trustee Elliott: the website there is some change that might still be made so that's what trustee Elliott is is

[4:22:27] Trustee Elliott: noting and that's that was the note um to the section on housing need so they're so that far

[4:22:35] Trustee Elliott: anticipating that there might be some changes to be made for that section and that's what you're

[4:22:40] Trustee Elliott: noting as well i just think that this is not a ready as a final report from the what we heard

[4:22:48] Trustee Elliott: okay so um because the summary of feedback from the workshop and the results to date of the survey

[4:22:59] Trustee Elliott: um it said it's noted in the staff report note this is a summary and a more detailed record

[4:23:04] Trustee Elliott: has been compiled I'm not seeing that record compiled so if this is a public

[4:23:10] Trustee Elliott: facing document saying here's what we heard after this discussion on growth

[4:23:14] Trustee Elliott: management there's just it's not reflected in that document I think it's

[4:23:18] Trustee Elliott: just they haven't had time no I think

[4:23:20] Trustee Elliott: it is and I think that's the note to say

[4:23:22] Trustee Elliott: that there would be changes okay I was in session okay yeah because it just

[4:23:31] Trustee Elliott: needs to go more in depth into actually what we did here thanks okay

[4:23:37] Voice 28: So we're good for motions?

[4:23:40] Voice 28: I think so, yeah.

[4:23:42] Voice 10: I'm happy to make the first one.

[4:23:43] Voice 28: I

[4:23:44] Voice 10: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to draft official community plan policies in accordance with the draft table of contents presented at the October 9, 2025, Local Trust Committee meeting.

[4:24:02] Voice 28: Any further discussion?

[4:24:05] Voice 28: call the question all in favor that carries second motion

[4:24:11] Voice 10: did we do any amendments to that

[4:24:14] Voice 10: project charter a

[4:24:15] Voice 9: little date one right a little date also and i'm going to find the background

[4:24:19] Voice 9: to include the budget that's been spent right right right and taking out some of the asinine

[4:24:25] Voice 9: yeah

[4:24:26] Voice 10: right okay so maybe the second do you want to do the second one as amended

[4:24:32] Voice 10: Sure.

[4:24:34] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee endorse the revised project charter as amended, presented at the October 9th, 2025 Local Trust Committee meeting.

[4:24:47] Trustee Elliott: Second that.

[4:24:49] Voice 28: Okay. Full discussion? Call to question? All in favor? That carries.

[4:24:54] Voice 31: Sounds.

[4:24:56] Voice 31: I thought

[4:24:57] Voice 28: that was a look of relief on your face.

[4:24:59] Voice 31: Awesome.

[4:25:03] Voice 31: and

[4:25:04] Voice 4: just recognizing that this um

[4:25:08] Trustee Elliott: i'm still having trouble finding the information on the website

[4:25:14] Trustee Elliott: it's uh it's

[4:25:21] Voice 19: really difficult yeah and i know the website well

[4:25:27] Voice 19: yeah so i'm i would

[4:25:30] Trustee Elliott: ask that the that the the attachments and the what we heard document

[4:25:41] Trustee Elliott: be added to the you know the web page about the official community plan it's not there yet

[4:25:50] Trustee Elliott: it's in a staff report that's like just from today but i think there needs to be those

[4:25:56] Trustee Elliott: attachments I think the website needs to be updated did

[4:26:05] Voice 28: you get a motion or

[4:26:06] Voice 28: you've got the notes for that through

[4:26:07] Trustee Elliott: the project page like update the project

[4:26:09] Trustee Elliott: page to make sure all the attachments are on there it's yeah the attachments

[4:26:13] Trustee Elliott: are in a report in the report section but the actual official community plan

[4:26:17] Trustee Elliott: review page of the website doesn't have an understanding that they just might

[4:26:24] Trustee Elliott: have been time to do this and now we're in that

[4:26:26] Voice 20: no

[4:26:27] Trustee Elliott: staff capacity so it's just for the future it'd

[4:26:30] Trustee Elliott: be good to have all that what

[4:26:33] Voice 15: we heard is

[4:26:35] Trustee Elliott: almost that so soon as we're able to we can update the

[4:26:39] Trustee Elliott: project page yeah and

[4:26:41] Trustee Elliott: understanding the what we've heard um document needs to be updated

[4:26:47] Trustee Elliott: thank you

[4:26:49] Voice 23: okay i

[4:26:50] Voice 10: just had one more comment on the project as a whole coming out of the september

[4:26:54] Voice 10: 14th meeting where the um the maps the suitable land analysis sort of draft draft maps were

[4:27:03] Voice 10: presented and it showed a 200 meter shoreline buffer around gabriela island and um there

[4:27:13] Voice 10: rpm jamaret are do you have permission to release the most recent speaking notes on that of of

[4:27:22] Voice 10: October 3rd or or can we just speak to them publicly to

[4:27:27] Trustee Elliott: the chair I think it would be fine

[4:27:28] Trustee Elliott: for the trustees to speak to them to speak

[4:27:31] Trustee Elliott: to those questions very publicly um because I

[4:27:35] Trustee Elliott: that buffer map and information was meant to have be for conversation discussion right right so um

[4:27:43] Trustee Elliott: and it wasn't intended to for that upper map to be regulations it was meant to be discussion oh

[4:27:49] Trustee Elliott: that part

[4:27:49] Trustee Elliott: i guess so yes as far as um i know um planning staff to support you providing some

[4:27:56] Trustee Elliott: information to clarify yeah how that information can be used yes so to to share that information

[4:28:01] Trustee Elliott: i would um maybe before sharing the messaging that you

[4:28:06] Trustee Elliott: have we can look through that together

[4:28:08] Voice 10: okay because my question relates to because all almost all the phone calls i've had in the past

[4:28:13] Voice 10: two weeks have related directly to that. So

[4:28:17] Voice 10: my question is that our local newspaper printed

[4:28:21] Voice 10: the first map, which I thought was a pretty good explanation, but I think a lot of people didn't

[4:28:26] Voice 10: read the printing and the writing. They just looked at the map and can't. But the second set

[4:28:32] Voice 10: released on October 3rd of speaking notes on that was even more, was better. I think offers

[4:28:39] Voice 10: even better clarification but we don't have permission to put that out in the

[4:28:45] Voice 10: newspaper is that correct thank

[4:28:47] Trustee Elliott: you you spoke to it okay but

[4:28:49] Trustee Elliott: at this point time

[4:28:51] Trustee Elliott: I mean okay okay right here it's some communications okay we don't have all

[4:29:02] Trustee Elliott: of our staff here to do that but if you were to convey that

[4:29:06] Voice 10: yeah okay well I'm

[4:29:08] Voice 10: going to convey it really briefly right now and then I might write something for our local paper

[4:29:13] Voice 10: just my own thoughts so very briefly I think it's really important that the consideration

[4:29:19] Voice 10: of that shoreline buffer does not represent a regulation or necessarily even any restrictions

[4:29:27] Voice 10: it's just a land use planning tool and it's a good one because it can help manage growth

[4:29:34] Voice 10: It can really make a difference with climate resilience, and it protects ecological and especially archaeological cultural heritage values.

[4:29:44] Voice 10: That's what it's meant for.

[4:29:47] Voice 10: But I think the most important thing is that right now, that 200-meter buffer, it's just for conversation, and it's a draft map.

[4:29:56] Voice 10: I really see the value in, you know,

[4:30:00] Voice 10: putting it in certain places like gabriel a bit that's you know just my lens and it needs lots

[4:30:06] Voice 10: of discussion yeah

[4:30:07] Voice 6: so

[4:30:08] Trustee Elliott: i think to add to that because there has been a lot of concern what

[4:30:14] Trustee Elliott: does this mean um how will that change um my property values i've heard um will i have to

[4:30:22] Trustee Elliott: move my septic system um am i going to have to pay extra to do any work on my house so a lot of

[4:30:29] Trustee Elliott: of people are not understanding um what this means and i think you're you framed it really

[4:30:37] Trustee Elliott: well that it's the start of a conversation it is not moving into regulation yet um there will have

[4:30:45] Trustee Elliott: to be a decision-making matrix based on um what comes up in that buffer zone the buffer is a lens

[4:30:57] Trustee Elliott: to consider how to regulate land in that area.

[4:31:04] Trustee Elliott: But the regulations would be different

[4:31:06] Trustee Elliott: depending on what is happening on the land.

[4:31:10] Trustee Elliott: This is

[4:31:10] Trustee Elliott: where that is.

[4:31:11] Trustee Elliott: And for instance, being in the buffer

[4:31:13] Trustee Elliott: doesn't necessarily change your zoning

[4:31:15] Trustee Elliott: or take away existing development rights,

[4:31:20] Trustee Elliott: but that there is going to be an extra layer of protection

[4:31:25] Trustee Elliott: to protect that area.

[4:31:28] Trustee Elliott: um existing structures built in compliance with existing bylaws like as of right now remain lawful

[4:31:37] Trustee Elliott: if zoning changes in the future those buildings may be considered a continuing non-conforming use

[4:31:44] Trustee Elliott: under such section 528 of the local government act such uses can continue as long as they aren't

[4:31:51] Trustee Elliott: discontinued or expanded in a way that increases the non-conformity and there is lots of case law

[4:31:57] Trustee Elliott: and lots of um legal reviews that articulate exactly what that continuing non-conforming use

[4:32:06] Trustee Elliott: looks like um so this is not a new situation for gabriola land use bylaws change all the time

[4:32:15] Trustee Elliott: and then um but you're not having to update your house to meet the new land use bylaw it's just

[4:32:24] Trustee Elliott: that future developments in that area would have perhaps extra protections and those would be

[4:32:32] Trustee Elliott: um this is a conversation about what that looks like right we're not we're not there yet to say

[4:32:38] Trustee Elliott: what that protection is um it's going to be hopefully specific it's going to be

[4:32:46] Trustee Elliott: contextual and respectful of the community need to have a say in that and

[4:32:57] Voice 10: and i mean my first

[4:32:58] Voice 10: concern is for people who who live on low bank particularly low bank shoreline and climate change

[4:33:07] Voice 10: and and part of the reason for development permit it's not just to protect the environment or even

[4:33:12] Voice 10: cultural heritage it's actually to protect to protect the property owner from having something

[4:33:18] Voice 10: destroyed by a steep cliff or a riparian flood or climate change and um you know king tides and

[4:33:26] Voice 10: flooding so yeah there is that it's really important to consider that like no you probably

[4:33:32] Voice 10: shouldn't be building right next to the shoreline because it's going to wash away so it's all that

[4:33:37] Voice 10: that kind of stuff that we need to be talking about well

[4:33:39] Trustee Elliott: right in the community profile since

[4:33:41] Trustee Elliott: 1990 sea level sea levels have risen by around 3.5 millimeters per year by 2025 they may rise

[4:33:51] Trustee Elliott: by an additional 30 to 60 centimeters um and that isn't considerable unless you look at what some of

[4:33:59] Trustee Elliott: those low-lying so low already

[4:34:01] Trustee Elliott: and so what was appropriate 50 years ago is not going to be

[4:34:06] Trustee Elliott: appropriate 50 years from now so how do we um upgrade our consideration of what's and through

[4:34:16] Trustee Elliott: the chair those are that's part of that's the reason to have the conversations um and stemming

[4:34:22] Trustee Elliott: from that um that conversation is to have those conversations that would help inform and talk

[4:34:32] Trustee Elliott: talk about how growth is managed, climate resilience,

[4:34:37] Trustee Elliott: protecting ecological and cultural values.

[4:34:40] Trustee Elliott: So it's those, it's what

[4:34:42] Trustee Elliott: you hear during those discussions.

[4:34:45] Trustee Elliott: The buffer was just, the buffer discussion

[4:34:47] Trustee Elliott: and the buffer map was just meant to be a conversation.

[4:34:51] Trustee Elliott: It wasn't a proposal.

[4:34:52] Trustee Elliott: So there is land use decisions

[4:34:58] Trustee Elliott: that will come through policy.

[4:35:04] Voice 4: So thanks for that. Thanks for bringing that up. I know there is a lot of concern,

[4:35:08] Voice 15: but

[4:35:10] Trustee Elliott: that's, I think it's the key part that we're engaging with Seneo about, and I think there is real interest in making sure that beautiful

[4:35:25] Voice 15: shorelines are protected.

[4:35:27] Voice 15: I mean, they're not for us, they're a public, they're a public

[4:35:32] Voice 10: value, for recreation and

[4:35:36] Voice 10: cultural heritage.

[4:35:38] Trustee Elliott: Through the channel, there will be more opportunities for comment throughout the official meeting

[4:35:42] Trustee Elliott: process.

[4:35:43] Trustee Elliott: So, through the draft, like after the draft comes through, there'll be opportunity for

[4:35:48] Trustee Elliott: comment, public first reading, second reading, public hearing, so there'll be, there's opportunities.

[4:35:58] Trustee Elliott: Great.

[4:35:59] Trustee Elliott: So

[4:36:00] Voice 28: we can move on?

[4:36:03] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[4:36:04] Trustee Elliott: I think

[4:36:05] Voice 28: the

[4:36:06] Trustee Elliott: community profile is good.

[4:36:07] Trustee Elliott: We didn't really have any discussion on this.

[4:36:13] Trustee Elliott: My only question was page 47, 48, there is a timeline of settlements,

[4:36:25] Trustee Elliott: and there's a few key documents like

[4:36:31] Trustee Elliott: fairy service declaration right of indigenous people and the name of government of canada

[4:36:38] Trustee Elliott: letter of understanding it's not listed that there's a name of islands trust protocol agreement

[4:36:44] Trustee Elliott: i don't know if that really fits in the timeline but if there's a letter of understanding with

[4:36:52] Trustee Elliott: you know is this just to do with um sort of the larger jurisdictional framework

[4:36:58] Trustee Elliott: and not our local trust committee um protocol agreement it is mentioned later

[4:37:05] Trustee Elliott: i just didn't know if that fit in that part of the timeline that's 2008 right because it

[4:37:17] Trustee Elliott: doesn't indicate not

[4:37:18] Trustee Elliott: in the context of this timeline no context okay but comment is made

[4:37:27] Trustee Elliott: so it could be something i captured yeah i think it's mentioned later

[4:37:31] Trustee Elliott: on and i wondered whether

[4:37:32] Trustee Elliott: that sea star looks healthy it's

[4:37:35] Voice 10: a leather star it's

[4:37:36] Trustee Elliott: a leather star yeah thank you i actually

[4:37:38] Trustee Elliott: sent it to somebody who knows marine biology and they're like it does look a little pale but

[4:37:43] Trustee Elliott: that's why it's normal other stars

[4:37:44] Voice 10: look like that and they're kind of slimy too

[4:37:46] Trustee Elliott: so

[4:37:47] Voice 10: through

[4:37:48] Trustee Elliott: the chair if there aren't any other questions um we're happy to move on i know

[4:37:53] Trustee Elliott: there's correspondence okay but let's take a moment for any any more questions online it's

[4:37:58] Voice 15: great

[4:37:59] Trustee Elliott: it's a lot of work thank you next beautiful hunters and everybody thumbs up

[4:38:05] Voice 23: all

[4:38:07] Voice 28: right so if

[4:38:08] Voice 28: we're able to move on to 12.1 uh 50 page 56 57 letter dated october 2nd 2025 from bunch island

[4:38:16] Voice 28: Island Community Association regarding proposed advisory planning commission yes

[4:38:23] Trustee Elliott: raise this for

[4:38:24] Trustee Elliott: discussion through the chair this is um this is just for information it's a piece of correspondence

[4:38:31] Trustee Elliott: what I do want to take the opportunity to share is a little bit about the advisory planning

[4:38:38] Trustee Elliott: committee process so for Gabriola and there's an expression of interest for Gabriola Island

[4:38:45] Trustee Elliott: Island Advisory Planning Commission, I'm using the wrong words, and the Mudge Island Advisory

[4:38:51] Trustee Elliott: Planning Commission, both close October 30th. I've asked staff for just a brief update. As of

[4:38:59] Trustee Elliott: Tuesday, Wednesday, they hadn't received too many submissions, so it might be an opportunity for you

[4:39:04] Trustee Elliott: to do a little bit of outreach and see what comes in until that time. Staff are always happy to

[4:39:13] Trustee Elliott: report back on submissions um at the next ltc in case or before then case you would like to extend

[4:39:20] Trustee Elliott: it so we can do that before it was it's very cute um i know there's much island residents and um

[4:39:27] Trustee Elliott: the community association here um so i encourage i encourage you through the much island advisory

[4:39:34] Trustee Elliott: planning committee process to submit your interest to be on

[4:39:38] Trustee Elliott: the advisory committee as well

[4:39:39] Trustee Elliott: individually yeah and for both the value planning committees through our Gabriel Island bylaw the

[4:39:47] Trustee Elliott: APC bylaw you can select up to nine members so it's a little bit of information but this

[4:39:53] Trustee Elliott: information is just the letters been submitted for for your information yeah so if I may I have

[4:40:02] Trustee Elliott: had quite a bit of correspondence from representatives of MICA who asked about

[4:40:07] Trustee Elliott: out and worked clear on the process asked where the online application was and how to apply so

[4:40:15] Trustee Elliott: I think there is a need to extend the date if we could some said they were out of country and

[4:40:24] Trustee Elliott: wanted time to apply and I just don't want there to be any urgency the work's not going to start

[4:40:28] Trustee Elliott: until the springtime anyway so there's lots of time to get the APC set up and it's a referral

[4:40:36] Trustee Elliott: body when when the work starts so um i don't think rushing things is is a good idea so if we could

[4:40:43] Trustee Elliott: extend it for another month sure so

[4:40:47] Voice 28: we need a motion to that effect

[4:40:48] Trustee Elliott: or

[4:40:50] Voice 28: well

[4:40:52] Trustee Elliott: through the chair

[4:40:52] Trustee Elliott: um any worth right now i have a question about yeah the time frame to get that done yeah um so

[4:41:00] Trustee Elliott: So we could wait till closer to October 30th

[4:41:04] Trustee Elliott: to then follow up with the local trust committee

[4:41:08] Trustee Elliott: on extending.

[4:41:09] Trustee Elliott: It could be through resolution with that meeting,

[4:41:12] Trustee Elliott: but it would have to be in a timeframe

[4:41:14] Trustee Elliott: that allows for maybe some advertising to that effect.

[4:41:19] Voice 4: So we have a meeting on the 20th of November.

[4:41:22] Trustee Elliott: We could evaluate how many have come in then

[4:41:24] Trustee Elliott: and see if we want to extend the deadline

[4:41:27] Trustee Elliott: with that meeting.

[4:41:28] Trustee Elliott: or perhaps even before then

[4:41:30] Trustee Elliott: before the October 30th

[4:41:32] Trustee Elliott: if you wanted to extend it

[4:41:34] Trustee Elliott: October 30th

[4:41:37] Trustee Elliott: I see

[4:41:37] Trustee Elliott: before the actual team

[4:41:39] Voice 11: you

[4:41:40] Trustee Elliott: don't have any staff

[4:41:41] Trustee Elliott: I don't want to create work for you to do an RWM

[4:41:44] Trustee Elliott: for this

[4:41:45] Trustee Elliott: we can do

[4:41:45] Voice 14: it right now

[4:41:46] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[4:41:50] Trustee Elliott: so

[4:41:51] Voice 28: the suggestion is if we do a motion

[4:41:53] Voice 28: now say to November

[4:41:55] Voice 28: 30th it doesn't need

[4:41:57] Voice 28: much action for a couple of weeks anyhow through

[4:41:59] Trustee Elliott: the chair what i'm suggesting is no motion or

[4:42:03] Trustee Elliott: resolution be made now but staff can check in with you closer to october 30th okay before the abc

[4:42:09] Trustee Elliott: deadline okay to say hey we haven't received very many submissions would you like to extend it you

[4:42:15] Trustee Elliott: can do it through resolution okay

[4:42:17] Voice 10: now would that staff be you or would that staff be well i'm

[4:42:21] Trustee Elliott: hoping not closer

[4:42:23] Trustee Elliott: to october 30th we'll be back uh matters of the result okay and we're able to

[4:42:28] Trustee Elliott: do that um there's also a postal strike happening so there's some of those other things uh if we

[4:42:33] Trustee Elliott: needed to okay so

[4:42:35] Voice 28: we have

[4:42:36] Trustee Elliott: a member of the

[4:42:36] Voice 28: audience who wants to speak to ltc okay it's

[4:42:42] Trustee Elliott: a question for

[4:42:42] Trustee Elliott: clarification on this uh

[4:42:44] Voice 2: just a point to consider um when we did excuse me find out that there was

[4:42:51] Voice 2: going to be an APC, we have notified the community that this process is going to

[4:43:00] Voice 2: be undertaken and we provided them with the links in order to participate in the

[4:43:07] Voice 2: process if they so choose. So we've made a very concerted effort to reach out to

[4:43:14] Voice 2: to the entire community to participate in the process.

[4:43:18] Voice 2: So we are trying, you know, to, you know,

[4:43:23] Voice 2: not many of the community members,

[4:43:24] Voice 2: I don't think get the sounder and flip through it

[4:43:29] Voice 2: to see the request or the call.

[4:43:33] Voice 2: So like I say, we're trying to make this a transparent,

[4:43:39] Voice 2: all-inclusive process.

[4:43:41] Voice 10: Mm-hmm.

[4:43:42] Voice 10: That's good.

[4:43:42] Voice 10: Good.

[4:43:43] Voice 10: Maybe we'll get some applications.

[4:43:45] Voice 10: Mm-hmm.

[4:43:45] Voice 26: We can help people.

[4:43:46] Voice 26: Sure.

[4:43:47] Voice 26: We can help people to contact you.

[4:43:50] Voice 26: I got some emails.

[4:43:52] Voice 26: Okay.

[4:43:53] Voice 26: Good.

[4:43:54] Voice 29: We're good.

[4:43:54] Trustee Elliott: Sounds good.

[4:43:54] Trustee Elliott: Closer to the date.

[4:43:55] Trustee Elliott: We'll look forward from a prompt from our overworked RPM.

[4:44:01] Voice 15: We're stopping.

[4:44:02] Voice 15: We're okay right now.

[4:44:03] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:44:04] Voice 28: So we're moving to the second 13.

[4:44:06] Voice 28: New Business.

[4:44:07] Voice 28: That's great.

[4:44:07] Voice 28: 13.1.

[4:44:08] Voice 28: Engage your SMA in First Nations for the first time.

[4:44:10] Voice 28: to develop a land management paper to pilot the station.

[4:44:15] Voice 31: Okay. I will keep it very brief.

[4:44:19] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:44:22] Voice 10: Not more than you bargained for.

[4:44:29] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to

[4:44:34] Trustee Elliott: float an idea

[4:44:35] Trustee Elliott: to the LTC and see if there's general support for it.

[4:44:41] Trustee Elliott: This is not like an emergency. We've got to do this right now.

[4:44:44] Trustee Elliott: This was inspired by something that Doug White said

[4:44:48] Trustee Elliott: during his conversation or his address to Trust Council

[4:44:55] Trustee Elliott: that there doesn't need to be a change in legislation

[4:44:59] Trustee Elliott: to work together in cooperation if two parties have the same goal.

[4:45:05] Trustee Elliott: And so the Islands Trust mandate, the object states

[4:45:11] Trustee Elliott: that we do land use planning in cooperation with

[4:45:14] Trustee Elliott: um all these other agencies and first nations and so i've been thinking about that cooperative

[4:45:20] Trustee Elliott: um principle quite a bit um so one of the statements he made was well if there could be

[4:45:28] Trustee Elliott: if there is a project that a local government body and a first nation um they agree that this

[4:45:36] Trustee Elliott: is a special area that needs to be protected um you could work together on what does that

[4:45:42] Trustee Elliott: protection look like what does that um land use management planning scheme look like and so i've

[4:45:50] Trustee Elliott: been looking at a few different um collaboration um examples and i don't want to go into the weeds

[4:46:03] Trustee Elliott: on it just there's a lot of different work that's being um trialed but one came out of the

[4:46:11] Trustee Elliott: the for the protection of an area calls or let me just bring it up here what is this one called

[4:46:17] Trustee Elliott: again so a collaboration for protecting the eelgrass uh for instance um this is um between

[4:46:29] Trustee Elliott: the village of belcarra and slaywood tooth nation regarding protection of the bedwell bay eelgrass

[4:46:35] Trustee Elliott: bed and so there's a whole um written up by environmental law society with um slave tooth

[4:46:43] Trustee Elliott: nation of how the um the municipality and i know it's municipality and we're in the trust committee

[4:46:49] Trustee Elliott: um can develop policies that support the nation's objective to you know enhance

[4:46:57] Trustee Elliott: eelgrass protection for instance so using environmental development permit areas and

[4:47:04] Trustee Elliott: marine development permit areas um but also this is tailored this is tied into learning that we're

[4:47:12] Trustee Elliott: we're we're learning about um the upland effects of development on marine and intertidal zones

[4:47:23] Trustee Elliott: which relates to shoreline buffers yes which relates to shoreline buffers so you know septic

[4:47:29] Trustee Elliott: fields and and development and moving gravel and soil and even sometimes farming um can have those

[4:47:36] Trustee Elliott: rundown effects which impacts um the area that i'm thinking of is of course falls narrows

[4:47:43] Trustee Elliott: the um it's called brickyard beach i don't like calling it that but that's that is the name and

[4:47:49] Trustee Elliott: it is mentioned as one of the dpa uh potential areas for protection so what does management what

[4:47:56] Trustee Elliott: what could joint management look like?

[4:47:58] Trustee Elliott: I think we don't know until we start engaging

[4:48:01] Trustee Elliott: in those conversations to ask and to get a depth

[4:48:04] Trustee Elliott: of knowledge and the values from the name of

[4:48:10] Trustee Elliott: and from our own community about how to protect that area.

[4:48:16] Trustee Elliott: So I don't want to go, yeah, I won't go into too much depth,

[4:48:21] Trustee Elliott: but it would just be that the LTC,

[4:48:24] Trustee Elliott: see if there's an opportunity that presents itself if I talk to Carolyn

[4:48:29] Trustee Elliott: Joseph or their marine division lead John White to express that perhaps a

[4:48:39] Trustee Elliott: agreement could be developed between the LTC and standing up for what does what

[4:48:48] Trustee Elliott: might land these planning management look like a collaborative approach okay

[4:48:52] Voice 10: Okay, I have three questions. First, how does this fit in with our current protocol agreement

[4:48:58] Voice 10: that we have with the name of First Nation? Second,

[4:49:02] Voice 10: we haven't had a staff-to-staff and

[4:49:05] Voice 10: elected representatives meeting with SFN for a long time, and

[4:49:11] Voice 10: that would be a good topic for

[4:49:13] Voice 10: for discussion. And third, we know that we are that they are engaging with us continually for

[4:49:22] Voice 10: the OCP review process. We

[4:49:24] Voice 1: do know that.

[4:49:26] Voice 10: So I would prefer that. And I totally agree with this

[4:49:32] Voice 10: idea. And I was also very inspired by Doug White's like, you know, you don't have to have

[4:49:36] Voice 10: legislation, just do it. But I would prefer that we we went through one of the channels that we

[4:49:42] Voice 10: already have established with our either a protocol agreement which should obviously needs updating

[4:49:50] Voice 10: with the the meetings that we have with the name of first nation fairly not regularly but

[4:49:58] Voice 10: well regularly but not often um and rather than just one of us approach them too because

[4:50:05] Voice 10: this is something that we should adopt formally at some point oh yeah it's and we know we're

[4:50:12] Voice 10: already doing it with the ocp review so i kind of all my three questions kind of relate to what

[4:50:17] Voice 10: we're already doing how does it how do we fit it into our protocol

[4:50:22] Trustee Elliott: agreement yeah

[4:50:23] Voice 3: no this this

[4:50:24] Trustee Elliott: wasn't to ask permission that i could go and start something it's does the ltc want to initiate um

[4:50:34] Trustee Elliott: or investigate how might a collaborative land use management framework

[4:50:43] Trustee Elliott: in a specific area be developed.

[4:50:47] Trustee Elliott: Because we can't develop it on our own.

[4:50:50] Trustee Elliott: The current process that we have is we hear from our community,

[4:50:56] Trustee Elliott: their values, what they want.

[4:50:58] Trustee Elliott: Staff convey that to the name of them,

[4:51:01] Trustee Elliott: and are learning from them what is important to them.

[4:51:04] Trustee Elliott: And this is going to come together in policies.

[4:51:07] Trustee Elliott: And so I think it's through that process.

[4:51:11] Trustee Elliott: This would be a project of its own because it would require some capacity funding for both sides.

[4:51:19] Trustee Elliott: It's not something to be done down the side of the desk.

[4:51:22] Trustee Elliott: That's why I'm starting the conversation of does the LTC want to envision a different way of approaching land use planning in a specific area.

[4:51:34] Trustee Elliott: um so it's kind of

[4:51:38] Trustee Elliott: just raising it to think about right now i i wouldn't take any action on it and

[4:51:43] Trustee Elliott: i think i'd want to get feedback from staff on where some are with their priorities and

[4:51:52] Trustee Elliott: their conversation um this is not a right now project and

[4:51:59] Voice 10: interestingly i don't see it for just

[4:52:01] Voice 10: specific areas i see it for the whole island like the whole trust area i see always working with

[4:52:09] Voice 10: them for the whole trust area not just for specific which is why i kind of think of our

[4:52:14] Voice 10: protocol agreement and the work we're doing with them right now and the official community plan

[4:52:19] Voice 10: you know how does this relate to that and do we need to expand it do we need to

[4:52:24] Voice 10: make it more formal it's a

[4:52:26] Trustee Elliott: well it's a different thing to manage an area together

[4:52:31] Trustee Elliott: than to have a set of policies and land use bylaws that we create with their input

[4:52:41] Trustee Elliott: versus what are the protocols needed to prevent impacts on the food source and the eel graphs?

[4:52:51] Trustee Elliott: What are those specific tools?

[4:52:54] Trustee Elliott: So as we're talking about the shoreline buffer zone

[4:52:57] Trustee Elliott: and how do we incorporate residents' needs and concerns about that,

[4:53:03] Trustee Elliott: it would be a focused area to look at how it's managed.

[4:53:08] Trustee Elliott: And it might be, it could be Degnan Bay and Fells Narrows

[4:53:13] Trustee Elliott: and the whole eastern coastline.

[4:53:17] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[4:53:18] Trustee Elliott: It's like a, it's more of a management framework than a...

[4:53:23] Trustee Elliott: You

[4:53:24] Voice 10: know, it's not that different from what Catherine Martel is doing with the Wissamish Nation, specifically to look after certain parts of that territory and care for certain parts of, like, I might mention that later, but I see exactly what you're referring to.

[4:53:45] Voice 10: because eelgrass of course it's it's just so important historically and culturally and right

[4:53:51] Voice 10: now for um forage fish and um herring roe and that kind of thing which is a food source yeah

[4:53:59] Voice 10: or traditional for first nations people so i get that i mean i know i'm quite interested in this

[4:54:07] Voice 10: in in in maybe even a greater sense but maybe i don't know what to

[4:54:12] Trustee Elliott: do more research and i just

[4:54:14] Trustee Elliott: wanted to float the idea because if we're all thinking about this and going well where could

[4:54:18] Trustee Elliott: we go with um working together to protect a specific area um rather than just us holding

[4:54:27] Trustee Elliott: the pen it's like we get to write it together so um i don't think i want i'm asking for any

[4:54:35] Trustee Elliott: action out of this it's it's just to raise it as do some thinking and it

[4:54:42] Voice 28: doesn't sound like

[4:54:43] Voice 28: there's any disagreements so

[4:54:44] Voice 10: and it and it sounds like it might come up more often through the ocp

[4:54:48] Voice 10: process as well i think so yeah

[4:54:51] Trustee Elliott: i mean we're gonna wait to hear back from how those conversations

[4:54:55] Trustee Elliott: have gone do you have any advice or considerations through the chair not at this time only because my

[4:55:07] Trustee Elliott: My brain is getting open and pew-dip-ed right now.

[4:55:12] Trustee Elliott: But I think bringing it up for discussion now

[4:55:17] Trustee Elliott: starts that conversation with the LCC

[4:55:20] Trustee Elliott: and it's worth continuing,

[4:55:23] Trustee Elliott: so that's something that can continue to happen

[4:55:27] Trustee Elliott: and perhaps also through other work

[4:55:33] Trustee Elliott: that's happening in the trust and initiatives

[4:55:35] Trustee Elliott: like the reconciliation action.

[4:55:37] Trustee Elliott: There's lots of connections there. Maybe that's what I would add is the trust is working on a few different projects and initiatives and efforts.

[4:55:47] Trustee Elliott: Including the protocol agreement.

[4:55:49] Trustee Elliott: And I think that's

[4:55:50] Voice 14: why I think protocol

[4:55:51] Trustee Elliott: agreements, reconciliation plans, they're all

[4:55:54] Trustee Elliott: going to be, I think they're all threading with some of this

[4:55:57] Voice 31: conversation.

[4:56:00] Voice 31: Yeah.

[4:56:01] Voice 15: Okay.

[4:56:03] Voice 15: Thanks for

[4:56:03] Trustee Elliott: bringing it out.

[4:56:04] Trustee Elliott: i definitely

[4:56:06] Voice 11: was inspired by doug white's potential to think about it in more creative ways

[4:56:11] Voice 10: too yeah okay

[4:56:13] Voice 28: we'll move down to section 14. uh we have 14.1 business base for the 20 26 27

[4:56:19] Voice 28: fiscal year project gabriel island comprehensive official community plan and land use bylaw review

[4:56:26] Voice 28: so we have a staff report which means we look at a staff member

[4:56:31] Voice 28: she's still smiling so i think

[4:56:33] Voice 28: we're doing an okay job

[4:56:36] Voice 10: i'm actually my chair can i have like 45 seconds to run out to my car and get a little bit of food

[4:56:42] Voice 10: absolutely do

[4:56:43] Voice 10: you want some cheese and pear i've

[4:56:44] Trustee Elliott: cheese and pear and grapes

[4:56:46] Trustee Elliott: but i got something easier

[4:56:54] Trustee Elliott: we were

[4:56:55] Voice 28: promised 30 seconds so okay

[4:56:58] Trustee Elliott: 45 40 plus you said

[4:57:00] Voice 28: how

[4:57:01] Trustee Elliott: are you doing chair oh

[4:57:03] Voice 28: we're surviving this

[4:57:04] Trustee Elliott: is a lot eh we're just we're still in

[4:57:07] Trustee Elliott: we're still in meeting we're just pausing that's just positive thanks

[4:57:11] Voice 27: but we're almost at the end

[4:57:13] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[4:57:15] Trustee Elliott: we have frequent fairies

[4:57:17] Trustee Elliott: so you won't get stuck here

[4:57:19] Voice 28: get

[4:57:19] Trustee Elliott: you on the

[4:57:22] Voice 28: that's the advantage you know

[4:57:23] Voice 28: Gabriel

[4:57:24] Voice 28: has got lots of fairies

[4:57:26] Voice 28: some of the LPCs

[4:57:29] Voice 28: there's this line in the sand

[4:57:30] Voice 28: and if you're two seconds over the line

[4:57:33] Voice 28: in the sand you're staying overnight

[4:57:34] Voice 28: so

[4:57:37] Voice 28: I'm doing good

[4:57:41] Voice 11: yeah I can just feel myself all of a sudden

[4:57:43] Voice 11: like

[4:57:46] Voice 28: okay so over to our wonderful staff all

[4:57:50] Trustee Elliott: right so um this item on the agenda is on

[4:57:56] Trustee Elliott: it's on page 58 of the agenda this is for um the ltc's request to endorse but i think approve

[4:58:05] Trustee Elliott: to approve the attached business case for next fiscal as 2026 to 2027 business case

[4:58:14] Trustee Elliott: to continue the Gabriel Island official community plan and land use file review project.

[4:58:22] Voice 14: So

[4:58:23] Trustee Elliott: to provide a brief overview.

[4:58:26] Trustee Elliott: So part this is brought to you today for approval of the business case.

[4:58:31] Trustee Elliott: And with that approval, the next step would be to take it forward to the committees, the related committees, the financial planning committee, and the regional planning committee for review, which will ultimately be forwarded to Trust Council for the budgeting process.

[4:58:49] Trustee Elliott: The budget is presented for this next fiscal year at $35,000.

[4:58:56] Trustee Elliott: There is a note, I'm happy to go into this in more detail.

[4:59:00] Trustee Elliott: So, part of this work includes, and we discussed it in the Official Community Plan update,

[4:59:06] Trustee Elliott: that work includes continuing with First Nations engagement and the archaeological overview

[4:59:12] Trustee Elliott: assessment work, public engagement and communications, a legal review, drafting the Official Community

[4:59:21] Trustee Elliott: Plan by-law referrals, development of permit area prioritization, which is the analysis

[4:59:26] Trustee Elliott: piece of that official community plan bylaw readings so that's where you'll see for second

[4:59:34] Trustee Elliott: third reading public hearing phase three and noting the legs bylaw amendment drafting

[4:59:41] Trustee Elliott: and bylaw readings and the development approval information bylaw getting that ready to go

[4:59:48] Trustee Elliott: so if the LTC has any questions I would look to the recommendation staff's making recommendation

[4:59:55] Trustee Elliott: for, you know, I would.

[5:00:00] Trustee Elliott: uh change that friendly uh revision to approval of the business case the next system trustees

[5:00:09] Voice 28: any questions comments concerns we kind of add another zero or two

[5:00:15] Voice 10: we kind of already

[5:00:16] Voice 10: talked about a little bit when we did the project um

[5:00:19] Trustee Elliott: i'm terrible with with numbers so 26 20 fiscal

[5:00:24] Trustee Elliott: Fiscal 26-27 is the next year.

[5:00:30] Trustee Elliott: That begins in

[5:00:30] Trustee Elliott: April 2026.

[5:00:33] Trustee Elliott: And then it'll carry over the election year.

[5:00:36] Trustee Elliott: So the new term, September 26, carrying on to March 2027.

[5:00:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[5:00:44] Trustee Elliott: So this is essentially looking at that bridge year,

[5:00:48] Trustee Elliott: and then the future is the 20, also 26-27.

[5:00:55] Trustee Elliott: Okay. So this is for both. That's why it's confusing phase three and phase four, but

[5:01:01] Trustee Elliott: it's in the same fiscal. Okay. That's just my brain and numbers. I am a writer. As long

[5:01:12] Trustee Elliott: as the numbers work for everybody else.

[5:01:16] Voice 28: So prepared for the motion.

[5:01:18] Voice 10: Happy. I move that

[5:01:22] Voice 10: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approve the attached, you want the word approve, right?

[5:01:27] Voice 10: Right, instead of endorsed?

[5:01:28] Voice 10: Yeah, approve the attached 2026-2027 business case

[5:01:34] Voice 10: and that staff forward the business case

[5:01:36] Voice 10: to the relevant committees and to Trust Council.

[5:01:39] Voice 28: Executive Trustee Elliott, further discussion?

[5:01:42] Voice 10: Nope.

[5:01:43] Voice 28: Call the question, all in favor?

[5:01:44] Voice 28: Keep going.

[5:01:45] Voice 28: Mary, the train

[5:01:47] Voice 28: is going down the track.

[5:01:49] Voice 28: We are.

[5:01:50] Voice 23: 14

[5:01:50] Voice 28: .2, we have file enforcement notification,

[5:01:52] Voice 28: notification file number 320

[5:01:55] Voice 28: final adoption

[5:01:56] Voice 28: page 65

[5:01:57] Voice 28: I think this has had a lot of discussion

[5:02:02] Voice 28: not

[5:02:02] Voice 4: even a ton no

[5:02:03] Voice 4: it's just an update to the bank

[5:02:07] Voice 4: schedule

[5:02:07] Voice 4: of fees

[5:02:10] Voice 4: so this is the final

[5:02:12] Voice 4: piece

[5:02:13] Trustee Elliott: to this project

[5:02:14] Trustee Elliott: where in June

[5:02:16] Trustee Elliott: on June 26th the Gabriel

[5:02:18] Trustee Elliott: LTC did give first, second, third

[5:02:20] Trustee Elliott: readings to the

[5:02:22] Trustee Elliott: attached amendment by law 320 and referred it to the executive committee for approval

[5:02:27] Trustee Elliott: so now this is come uh coming back to you for adoption and the ocean before the ltc

[5:02:35] Trustee Elliott: is is for that adoption the amendment file will update the penalty schedule and also establish

[5:02:42] Trustee Elliott: a penalty for failure to obtain a permit for work with an element so since it's the ministry

[5:02:49] Trustee Elliott: of bylaw it didn't require any approval by the minister of housing and municipal affairs um so

[5:02:55] Trustee Elliott: now um the office may approve the bylaw i'm sorry adopt the bylaw for the team questions

[5:03:04] Voice 28: okay so anyway i

[5:03:06] Trustee Elliott: moved that the gabriel island local trust committee adopt bylaw number

[5:03:10] Trustee Elliott: three two zero the gabriel island local trust committee by law enforcement

[5:03:14] Trustee Elliott: notification by law member 263 2011 amendment number 1 2024. I'll second that. Excellent.

[5:03:24] Voice 28: Any further discussion? Call the question. All in favor? That carries. Excellent. So we move 14.3.

[5:03:32] Voice 28: We have a trust conservancy report from Trustee Yates.

[5:03:34] Voice 10: Right and Trustee Elliott might want to

[5:03:36] Voice 10: add something too because we are both on the board of the conservancy. Very handy. Just very briefly

[5:03:43] Voice 10: we have a new manager for the Alliance Trust Conservancy and she's amazing and we've worked

[5:03:49] Voice 10: with her before and she's actually been in the acting role since February 3rd but I know her

[5:03:56] Voice 10: really more from her background in ecology and land management and and her work with species at

[5:04:04] Voice 10: risk as a program coordinator for a few years and that was I just admired her work so much in that

[5:04:11] Voice 10: and she's also worked with salt spring conservancy and the habitat acquisition trust

[5:04:17] Voice 10: and the coastal invasive species committee so we are all so pleased that wendy tyrell

[5:04:23] Voice 10: has become the new manager and she's really fun to work with so the only other thing i was going

[5:04:29] Voice 10: to mention is that from our last um conservancy meeting which was october 3rd um i was really

[5:04:36] Voice 10: interested in, we have an ecosystem specialist, Catherine Martel, and she has been participating

[5:04:44] Voice 10: in the Wasanich Land Trust Society's community of practice. And that's meant to be for their

[5:04:51] Voice 10: land and culture restoration program. And it's pronounced Kwanang Ito. And it's for continuing.

[5:04:59] Voice 10: And so we endorsed, or we basically voted for Catherine Martel to continue her work.

[5:05:06] Voice 10: with meaningful staff participation in this community of practice and i

[5:05:13] Voice 10: see it going elsewhere

[5:05:15] Voice 10: and and i just thought it was a really really nice partnership between the islands trust

[5:05:21] Voice 10: conservancy and the wasanage land trust society

[5:05:30] Voice 11: anything other exciting i was a great meeting as

[5:05:35] Voice 10: always um

[5:05:36] Trustee Elliott: i would also add

[5:05:39] Trustee Elliott: um about the there's there's recommended from staff a change in approach to um

[5:05:50] Trustee Elliott: um ecosystem management protection um process so every year all the nature reserves and the

[5:06:03] Trustee Elliott: NAPTEP covenants that Islands Trust holds are inspected for primarily for compliance have

[5:06:10] Trustee Elliott: there been instances of trespass is the covenant being upheld they also communicate with new land

[5:06:16] Trustee Elliott: holders or neighbors on either side um and as the program grows it's it's been too much for one

[5:06:25] Trustee Elliott: person to do um and it's also sort of been a we're not getting to the invasive species removal

[5:06:35] Trustee Elliott: and following up on species at risk and sort of the more proactive um ecosystem protection

[5:06:43] Trustee Elliott: protection um management that we need to do so we did approve some additional budget i think

[5:06:52] Trustee Elliott: and a different approach so that contractors who live on the island and maybe work for

[5:07:00] Trustee Elliott: the conservancy could be contracted to do some of this compliance monitoring that has to happen

[5:07:06] Trustee Elliott: year after year the ecosystem protection specialist can do um really areas of high

[5:07:12] Trustee Elliott: high interest or um the things that need more robust um attention so that was good um and i

[5:07:23] Trustee Elliott: would also say there is going forward a budget request for a permanent indigenous relations

[5:07:28] Trustee Elliott: position um this has um been a really great need the senior indigenous relations advisor on staff

[5:07:38] Trustee Elliott: is that his time is pretty much taken up um right now and there's a critical gap in

[5:07:45] Trustee Elliott: um helping to develop a reconciliation action plan for the conservancy initiate meaningful

[5:07:50] Trustee Elliott: engagement with indigenous governing bodies in land securement protected area management planning

[5:07:55] Trustee Elliott: and operations and critically the development of the five-year plan which sounds very boring um

[5:08:02] Trustee Elliott: But it's a legislative requirement for the ministry and we haven't been able to begin work on it for the past three years, which puts us at a real deficit, but it's really because of staff capacity.

[5:08:15] Trustee Elliott: And so the key part is engaging with all the nations whose territories we work in in the trust area and developing good working relationships and organizing engagement sessions and so that we can get back that information to inform that five-year plan going forward, which the minister has asked us to do.

[5:08:39] Trustee Elliott: So there's a lot of capacity pieces that need to be funded by trust council.

[5:08:47] Trustee Elliott: So I know both Trustee Yates and I are pretty strong on advocating for

[5:08:51] Trustee Elliott: conservancy needs. But yeah, those are two key,

[5:08:55] Trustee Elliott: two or three key budget pieces that we discussed.

[5:09:00] Voice 10: And that first one that you mentioned having a different approach to the,

[5:09:05] Voice 10: just the regular monitoring of the covenants um

[5:09:08] Voice 9: we've

[5:09:09] Voice 10: seen that like ourselves because we often

[5:09:11] Voice 10: volunteer to go with them when they

[5:09:13] Voice 10: come to our various islands it's like a speed date

[5:09:16] Voice 10: well and it's like well the last one was a two 12-hour days oh two 12-hour days um with like

[5:09:24] Voice 10: not even a lunch break that's right and we still missed one of the covenants that required

[5:09:28] Voice 10: monitoring so i think this is a really good approach more efficient and yeah yeah thanks

[5:09:35] Voice 10: Thanks for that.

[5:09:36] Voice 28: Excellent.

[5:09:36] Voice 28: Thank you.

[5:09:38] Voice 3: All right.

[5:09:39] Voice 28: So, we'll move down to 14.4, applications report.

[5:09:44] Voice 28: Any questions or concerns?

[5:09:46] Voice 11: There must be something, because I have a sticky here.

[5:09:48] Voice 28: Oh, we have a sticky coming up.

[5:09:52] Voice 10: Open applications.

[5:09:53] Voice 10: Right.

[5:09:55] Voice 10: Yes.

[5:09:56] Voice 10: But I'm not sure if RPM Jameret is able to answer this.

[5:10:00] Voice 10: there there are three properties on the strand and they've been on our agenda since our term began

[5:10:08] Voice 10: actually so for three years and their um their development permit applications

[5:10:17] Voice 10: all in the same neighborhood and um i see that this first one on here um michael apps

[5:10:27] Voice 10: is the name it says that it says to issue permit and send to applicant I

[5:10:34] Voice 4: thought

[5:10:36] Voice 10: we were not issuing the permit well we haven't seen this application so

[5:10:41] Voice 10: I'm very concerned because I am really worried that we're just issuing this

[5:10:46] Voice 10: permit after all of the work that's been done to look into this um dvp

[5:10:54] Trustee Elliott: 2024 zero two nine nine

[5:10:58] Trustee Elliott: waiting for submittals no recent thoughts so the update through the chair the update on that

[5:11:06] Trustee Elliott: is staff are um are communicating with the applicant to get some clarity and waiting to

[5:11:15] Trustee Elliott: hear back um but not

[5:11:18] Voice 10: issuing the permit i hope

[5:11:20] Trustee Elliott: there's no note here that that has reached that

[5:11:23] Trustee Elliott: stage to

[5:11:24] Voice 10: issue the product is

[5:11:25] Voice 10: that is error so

[5:11:27] Trustee Elliott: i think that update might be an error i'm going

[5:11:29] Trustee Elliott: to highlight

[5:11:29] Voice 10: that there's another error too while you're on that page

[5:11:47] Voice 20: much

[5:11:53] Voice 27: better than a pdf okay i know

[5:11:55] Voice 10: and so the other error on that page is

[5:11:58] Voice 10: the bottom one um the applicant name says mark and amp if the name is woodside

[5:12:07] Voice 10: it's an ampersand it's converting right okay well it's mark and gail woodside yes

[5:12:15] Voice 10: you might as well get it right

[5:12:28] Voice 20: yeah

[5:12:29] Trustee Elliott: it's not odd um i have so staff been chatting in the background about these reports

[5:12:36] Trustee Elliott: this was one of the glitchy things that um the output of this report comes out as right and

[5:12:43] Trustee Elliott: it's been it's been a bit of a challenge to try and catch them and change them once they're in

[5:12:49] Trustee Elliott: this format right so continue to play it don't

[5:12:53] Voice 10: worry we always look at them

[5:12:56] Trustee Elliott: the names are captured properly on through the tracking oh okay

[5:13:00] Trustee Elliott: it's just the way it comes out

[5:13:01] Voice 10: in the report

[5:13:02] Trustee Elliott: or is

[5:13:04] Voice 10: that ai no

[5:13:06] Trustee Elliott: this is just the way the report is generated and what happens

[5:13:10] Trustee Elliott: something odd is happening what is reading in these fields keep

[5:13:15] Voice 28: those stickies oh yeah

[5:13:17] Voice 19: Yeah, absolutely.

[5:13:19] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Yates, we can chat about any details with the applications

[5:13:23] Trustee Elliott: because I might be able to confirm things quicker when I have

[5:13:28] Voice 10: the application tracking.

[5:13:31] Voice 10: Okay, yeah.

[5:13:33] Voice 10: And I note, just as a note, under temporary use permits,

[5:13:38] Voice 10: because we were talking about them earlier,

[5:13:40] Voice 10: on the last page there, there are two temporary use permits now

[5:13:44] Voice 10: now that we've just come to us for a short-term vacation rental so

[5:13:51] Voice 28: did you guys not opt in to

[5:13:53] Voice 28: the provincial program yeah maybe

[5:13:55] Trustee Elliott: the first we still

[5:13:56] Trustee Elliott: have a tup

[5:13:58] Trustee Elliott: program though yeah because I

[5:14:01] Voice 28: guess I'll have to ask when it comes to Trust Council because my understanding was that our

[5:14:09] Voice 28: our TUP process was extinguished by the provincial program.

[5:14:13] Trustee Elliott: We can still set criteria for how, like, whether to approve them or not,

[5:14:22] Trustee Elliott: because this is about a commercial use that isn't supported by a traditional B&B.

[5:14:28] Trustee Elliott: And what we opted into is that they have to be,

[5:14:31] Trustee Elliott: their principal residence has to be on Gabriola.

[5:14:35] Trustee Elliott: That's what we opted into.

[5:14:36] Trustee Elliott: And that when we issue the TUP and they're allowed to operate,

[5:14:40] Trustee Elliott: they have to register with the Prudential Registry.

[5:14:43] Voice 28: Yeah, I don't know, we'll talk about it in December,

[5:14:46] Voice 28: because that's why Hornby decided not to opt in,

[5:14:51] Voice 28: because all their TUPs would be extinguished.

[5:14:54] Voice 10: No.

[5:14:55] Voice 28: So, interesting.

[5:14:57] Voice 28: Maybe

[5:14:57] Voice 10: they're different than ours.

[5:14:58] Voice 10: Ours are

[5:14:59] Voice 10: very rigorous.

[5:15:01] Voice 10: There's like four sheets that landowners have to comply to

[5:15:05] Voice 10: in order to get this temporary use permit.

[5:15:07] Voice 10: I

[5:15:08] Voice 28: think Maine, we've got one that's like 12 pages.

[5:15:11] Voice 10: Oh, okay.

[5:15:12] Voice 15: Well, it allows you to say no.

[5:15:15] Voice 28: Okay, that's no.

[5:15:16] Voice 28: But that's a press council question.

[5:15:18] Voice 28: All right.

[5:15:20] Voice 28: So moving down, we have trusting and local expense report.

[5:15:23] Voice 28: Just for your information, I'm sure you've reviewed it.

[5:15:26] Voice 28: Adopted policies and standard solutions.

[5:15:28] Voice 28: I'm sure you're very familiar with those things.

[5:15:32] Voice 28: So First Nation and relationship building update.

[5:15:35] Voice 28: update?

[5:15:37] Voice 10: You know, I have to say, I think we do this continually as council and as a local

[5:15:42] Voice 10: trust committee with the help of our staff.

[5:15:44] Voice 28: So, yeah. Okay. Climate change action update?

[5:15:50] Voice 4: Nada.

[5:15:51] Voice 28: Nada? It's changing though. Local trust committee web page. Okay. Then we go to section

[5:16:01] Voice 28: Section 15, work program after projects and future projects.

[5:16:07] Voice 28: Any comments or questions or anything?

[5:16:10] Voice 28: That all pretty straightforward?

[5:16:11] Voice 15: Yeah, straightforward.

[5:16:13] Voice 28: Okay, well, then we've come to a grinding halt.

[5:16:16] Voice 15: We are.

[5:16:17] Voice 28: That's 16.1, the next regular meeting scheduled for Thursday, November 20th at 10.30 a.m.

[5:16:22] Voice 28: Right here.

[5:16:23] Voice 4: Yeah, right here.

[5:16:24] Voice 28: And it says here we're supposed to be adjourning at 2.15.

[5:16:28] Voice 4: Oh.

[5:16:29] Voice 28: We didn't make it.

[5:16:30] Voice 4: We did not.

[5:16:30] Voice 4: we

[5:16:31] Voice 28: missed the ball all right thank you everybody

[5:16:34] Voice 10: yeah thank you thank

[5:16:37] Voice 28: you particularly director

[5:16:38] Voice 10: craig for attending this entire meeting comfortable

[5:16:41] Trustee Elliott: seats yeah agree i know thank you chair mod for

[5:16:47] Trustee Elliott: stepping in coming all this way from the south i hope you didn't have to wake up too early

[5:16:51] Trustee Elliott: oh yeah we survived

[5:16:53] Trustee Elliott: all

[5:16:54] Voice 28: right thank you very much and with that alex will be ending the meeting