Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, April 9, 2026

[0:00:02] Voice 17: You're ready to go now.

[0:00:03] Voice 17: All

[0:00:09] Voice 9: right. Well, welcome, everyone. Good afternoon.

[0:00:12] Voice 9: And I'm going to call this regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:19] Voice 6: Everyone to be aware that we're live streaming the meeting and the recording is being made,

[0:00:24] Voice 6: which will be posted on the

[0:00:25] Voice 9: Island Trust website in a few days.

[0:00:28] Voice 9: And I want to begin today by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather in the territories of Coast Salish peoples,

[0:00:36] Voice 9: including the Central and Halkmead.

[0:00:40] Voice 9: welcome medium speak speaking peoples the stewards of these lands and water since time immemorial

[0:00:50] Voice 5: my name is tim peterson i am elected on mesquite island and i'm chair of salt spring island local

[0:00:55] Voice 5: trust committee also here today our

[0:00:58] Voice 6: local trustee jamie harris and laura patrick and together we

[0:01:02] Voice 6: comprise the local trust committee i

[0:01:04] Voice 9: also want to acknowledge us with us today are the um crd

[0:01:09] Voice 9: Director Gary Holman and LCC Chair Earl Rook. Thank you for joining us today and I'll turn it

[0:01:16] Voice 9: over to Region Planning Manager Chris

[0:01:18] Voice 6: Humphrey to introduce the staff today. Oh

[0:01:21] Voice 6: thank you Mr. Chair.

[0:01:21] Voice 6: With us in the meeting

[0:01:23] Voice 18: today is Olowosho Garuba, our planner two, as well as our Island Planner

[0:01:27] Voice 18: new to the Salisbury office Peter Thitt. Great thank you.

[0:01:32] Voice 6: And online doing our meeting administration

[0:01:36] Voice 9: is the small art and so this meeting is an official forum for the local trust committee

[0:01:43] Voice 9: to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss real business and this is also a place

[0:01:49] Voice 9: of employment and our staff

[0:01:51] Voice 6: have the right to a safe and respectful workplace so we have an agenda

[0:01:57] Voice 6: before us i'll look to see if there's any adjustments to the agenda just patrick just

[0:02:05] Voice 6: want to note i know one of the applicants for item 14.2 we had only a brief window of opportunity

[0:02:12] Voice 6: week 205 and 325 after 4 30 that they'd be available so that we could catch the ux ability to

[0:02:21] Voice 8: yeah bump those around to meet that person's need yeah

[0:02:25] Voice 9: thank you thank you for that bringing up i've

[0:02:28] Voice 9: made a note of the time that they said they're available uh

[0:02:31] Voice 5: so we'll we

[0:02:33] Voice 5: can adjust that as we

[0:02:34] Voice 5: we get there. I believe staff have a need

[0:02:39] Voice 6: to take a little break before we transition

[0:02:42] Voice 6: into the post-meeting portion later on to make sure to shop us some staff around. So

[0:02:48] Voice 5: we'll deal with that when we get there. So then I'll take it by general consent to adopt

[0:02:55] Voice 5: the agenda as presented with those possible timing changes. And that brings us to the

[0:03:03] Voice 5: the public participation section.

[0:03:06] Voice 5: I want to remind everyone we've held the public hearings

[0:03:09] Voice 5: for bylaws 544, 545 and 546 or 355 Blackburn Road.

[0:03:19] Voice 5: So we will not hear from the public on any of those today

[0:03:23] Voice 5: due to the legislative responsibilities on that.

[0:03:28] Voice 5: And so, as we go into the public comment period, I just want to remind everyone to be looking

[0:03:43] Voice 5: for everyone to speak respectfully, acknowledge any concerns you may have without causing

[0:03:52] Voice 5: harm, be conscious of upholding cultural safety, and keep the conversation constructive.

[0:04:09] Voice 5: So we ask that you direct your comments to the local trust committee and not other members

[0:04:15] Voice 5: of the public or staff, speak to the issues, not individuals, and be clear, concise, and

[0:04:22] Voice 5: respectful.

[0:04:24] Voice 6: So I'll let Versho hands of who would like to address the trustee today.

[0:04:29] Voice 6: Go ahead, Miss.

[0:04:30] Voice 6: um

[0:04:34] Voice 14: i would like to speak to you uh about the uh ocp lub review uh public advisory committee

[0:04:42] Voice 14: that i'm on i'm not representing the committee because i'm not the chair but i am here

[0:04:48] Voice 14: representing myself and i would like to draw your attention to page 23 of your agenda package

[0:04:55] Voice 14: which has the minutes of the January meeting of the committee where they carried a motion was

[0:05:03] Voice 14: carried that the commission requests that the local trust committee make clear to the consultant

[0:05:10] Voice 14: and staff that the task of this project advisory planning commission should be limited to the

[0:05:16] Voice 14: project advisory planning commission terms of reference in your agenda package in the staff

[0:05:24] Voice 14: report, the staff quite clearly asks you to direct them how the terms of reference are to be applied.

[0:05:33] Voice 14: And the sentence that I'm concerned about is how the terms of reference are to be applied to

[0:05:40] Voice 14: the commission's role in reviewing technical documents and policy materials. Now, those are

[0:05:48] Voice 14: are really vague terms, but they could very well mean draft OCP LUB documents. And I've gone

[0:05:59] Voice 14: through the terms of reference. Nowhere in the terms of reference are these terms used

[0:06:05] Voice 14: or anything similar. So I request on behalf of myself and a couple other of the members who I

[0:06:15] Voice 14: I know feel rather strongly about this.

[0:06:18] Voice 14: We agreed to be on the commission

[0:06:21] Voice 14: because of the terms of reference

[0:06:22] Voice 14: and to change the terms of reference midway

[0:06:25] Voice 14: seems very unfair and inappropriate.

[0:06:29] Voice 14: And so I would ask you to direct staff

[0:06:33] Voice 14: that there is nothing in the terms of reference

[0:06:36] Voice 14: that could be interpreted

[0:06:39] Voice 14: to include us reviewing these documents.

[0:06:42] Voice 14: And the only other thing I want to say is that we were told, we know that the consultant's contract ended the last day of March, and he was supposed to submit his reports to you at that time, and yet we have not seen them.

[0:07:00] Voice 14: We want to know why they're not here. We want to see those reports.

[0:07:04] Voice 14: courts. Not that we're going to review them at the commission. Just want to see the public would

[0:07:13] Voice 14: like to see them, especially the survey results. So, and this is the second time the staff has

[0:07:21] Voice 14: made this request. So, I really hope that this time you can give them a firm answer and have

[0:07:28] Voice 14: our commission be contained in their tasks to the terms of reference. Thank you.

[0:07:36] Voice 4: Hi,

[0:07:43] Voice 12: I'm Pantar. I'm representing Transitions Salt Spring today and we are really thrilled

[0:07:48] Voice 12: that Your Thick has joined the team here and that you have more resources and support to do

[0:07:55] Voice 12: the important work that you're doing. We have really deep concerns about some of the suggestions

[0:08:02] Voice 12: by staff that might elongate the process of the OCP, although we recognize that it won't be

[0:08:09] Voice 12: possible to complete the whole task by the fall. We feel like a lot of work has been done that's

[0:08:16] Voice 12: really valuable and adds up to a lot of information that the public could be reviewing in this next

[0:08:23] Voice 12: year without perhaps a complete draft of the OCP, but at least with information that could help them

[0:08:33] Voice 12: look at the things that you guys are looking at as we approach an election in the fall.

[0:08:38] Voice 12: We feel really strongly that the public should be thinking about the next representatives here

[0:08:46] Voice 12: as people that represent their perspectives on the future of the island. And we'd like to know,

[0:08:52] Voice 12: have as much information that you've gathered as possible to be in the public realm so that we can

[0:08:57] Voice 12: actually debate what should be happening here on this island. So we would really strongly recommend

[0:09:04] Voice 12: that there is some kind of public output from the process thus far in the next few months.

[0:09:14] Voice 12: It just feels like we have extremely urgent issues that we're dealing with here on the island. We have

[0:09:19] Voice 12: have climate change changing drastically and affecting the kind of strategic decisions that

[0:09:28] Voice 12: we need to make. And we also have a severe housing problem on the island. We don't see those two

[0:09:34] Voice 12: issues as binary. We see them as inextricably connected in terms of our creating strategy for

[0:09:40] Voice 12: the future. And we would really hope that Islands Trust will not take their foot off the pedal

[0:09:45] Voice 12: and keep moving forward so that we have things

[0:09:48] Voice 12: that we can discuss in the public

[0:09:49] Voice 12: about the work that you've done thus far.

[0:09:52] Voice 12: So we hope you'll do that.

[0:09:54] Voice 12: Thanks.

[0:09:55] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:09:57] Voice 4: Anyone else?

[0:10:00] Voice 4: No?

[0:10:02] Voice 6: All right, then we'll move on to the trustee report section.

[0:10:06] Voice 6: Who would like to go first today?

[0:10:08] Voice 6: Sure, I will.

[0:10:10] Voice 6: I'll keep it short.

[0:10:14] Voice 6: With the passing of the last budget vote,

[0:10:18] Voice 6: kind of solidifying things in my mind but mine and many others opinions it's clear

[0:10:24] Voice 6: that under the leadership and decisions and lack thereof the LTC Donald's Trust as well as the CRD

[0:10:33] Voice 6: the salt spring community has suffered irreparable damage to its well-being social economic and

[0:10:39] Voice 6: and including infrastructure so leave it there thanks thank you

[0:10:45] Voice 6: thank you patrick

[0:10:53] Voice 6: uh

[0:10:53] Voice 8: first i wanted to really uh thank the salt spring foundation for giving grants

[0:10:58] Voice 8: to the truth reconciliation day event led by the elegant tribes and for the revitalization

[0:11:03] Voice 8: of the pulpit plan garden um led by the asana leadership council and the partnership salt

[0:11:09] Voice 8: spring conservancy i think it's really it's really good to see this project uh move on uh it was uh

[0:11:17] Voice 8: funded through parks canada uh staff and then funding stopped at the end of march and to see

[0:11:24] Voice 8: wissana's leadership council and salt pink conservancy step forward and find a way to work

[0:11:29] Voice 8: together and keep this important work going on restoring over clam gardens um is is just

[0:11:35] Voice 8: wonderful thanks to the Salt Spring Foundation for helping make that possible. I

[0:11:40] Voice 6: also want to thank

[0:11:41] Voice 8: the Salt Spring Foundation for developing a new funding program to offset costs of hosting

[0:11:45] Voice 8: Indigenous participants in non-profit community projects. So big kudos to Salt Spring Foundation

[0:11:51] Voice 8: for continuing their great work in the community. The Farmland Trust had sponsored a showing of the

[0:11:58] Voice 8: documentary on tea creek it's an indigenous-led farming initiative in northern bc uh it was uh

[0:12:05] Voice 8: really moving um and very well attended for a beautiful saturday afternoon a couple weeks ago

[0:12:13] Voice 8: and uh really enjoyed that film thanks for formal transferring that here um i chaired the

[0:12:22] Voice 8: gabriella local trust committee meeting special meeting on their freshwater footprint project if

[0:12:28] Voice 8: If you're interested,

[0:12:28] Voice 8: I encourage you to look at their website

[0:12:30] Voice 8: to see the work they're doing on the freshwater footprint.

[0:12:35] Voice 8: And I also chair the Gambier Local Press Committee

[0:12:38] Voice 8: who is trying to advance an update to its OCP as well.

[0:12:43] Voice 8: Attended the Mount Aerosmith Biosphere Region Roundtable.

[0:12:47] Voice 8: Miles Trust is fortunate to be a member

[0:12:49] Voice 8: of two United Nations Biosphere Regions,

[0:12:51] Voice 8: Mount Aerosmith and the Alcatraz Pond Sound.

[0:12:55] Voice 8: At a recent meeting

[0:12:57] Voice 8: with the Mountain Aerosmith Biosphere, we had project leads from the Local Futures Project,

[0:13:05] Voice 8: which is a University of Waterloo project, and they led the members through a conversation about

[0:13:13] Voice 8: the challenges and opportunities of the Sustainable Development Goals. The Sustainable Development

[0:13:19] Voice 8: Goals were adopted by the UN and they provide a framework for peace and prosperity for people

[0:13:24] Voice 8: in the planet and these goals really recognize that ending poverty providing the essentials of

[0:13:29] Voice 8: life cannot be separated from improving health and education reducing inequality and spurring

[0:13:36] Voice 8: economic growth or can they be separated from tackling climate change for protecting the

[0:13:40] Voice 8: environment i'll also note that bowman island municipality is using the sustainable development

[0:13:45] Voice 8: goals as a foundational input to their official community plan project speaking of bowman island

[0:13:51] Voice 8: use penalty the islands trust executive committee and bowman island held a joint meeting key topics

[0:13:57] Voice 8: and discussion were better budget planning integration and onboarding of the new trust

[0:14:03] Voice 8: council of bim trustees and counselors to kick off the term in a good way

[0:14:09] Voice 8: also attended the avic webinar on the heritage conservation act updates other provincial

[0:14:16] Voice 8: Regulatory action and following closely it includes the code of conduct legislation that was taken last week and

[0:14:22] Voice 8: watching what's going on with

[0:14:27] Voice 7: That's my report. Thank

[0:14:30] Voice 9: you. And Chair De Porte

[0:14:34] Voice 9: Not entirely sure because I don't quite make the beginning of the last meeting simple. If I'm repeating anything bear with me

[0:14:41] Voice 9: case um trustee garrison mentioned that the trust council didn't pass a budget in march

[0:14:49] Voice 5: and that

[0:14:49] Voice 9: staff advised um so translate into uh approximately 20 to 40 dollars um lift in uh

[0:15:00] Voice 9: property

[0:15:01] Voice 5: uh valued at eight hundred sixty seven thousand dollars so just a little bit of contact

[0:15:07] Voice 5: to what those numbers mean um trustee or trust council also adopted a new trustee remuneration

[0:15:13] Voice 5: formula uh coming to effect next year um this changes are intended to align with the best

[0:15:22] Voice 5: practices in bc and uh it's hoped that it will make it more viable for a broader cross-section

[0:15:28] Voice 5: of islanders to consider running for trustee um

[0:15:32] Voice 9: one of the new things that uh stands out i think

[0:15:37] Voice 9: there is reduction for trustees not attending trust council

[0:15:39] Voice 6: meetings uh so reduction remunerational

[0:15:43] Voice 6: media dashboard for non-attendance of those meetings

[0:15:46] Voice 9: uh so that is new and council also

[0:15:50] Voice 9: approved updated by law compliance compliance and enforcement policy which is the result of work

[0:15:56] Voice 9: over most of this term and

[0:15:58] Voice 5: gave it its endorsement to the new uh stress draft indigenous relations

[0:16:02] Voice 5: action plan

[0:16:03] Voice 9: and staff also advised us not realistic to expect that the policy statement

[0:16:08] Voice 9: of amendment project will be completed before the end of the term and staff will be providing

[0:16:14] Voice 9: summary of this feedback received to date and

[0:16:17] Voice 5: options at uh may 13th committee the whole meeting

[0:16:21] Voice 5: and then in june trust council may decide uh what further steps to take if any um

[0:16:28] Voice 9: trustee patrick

[0:16:30] Voice 9: mentioned the Bowen Island Joint Meeting and the Heritage Conservation Act engagement piece.

[0:16:38] Voice 9: Also, I've been attending the Transport Canada Ocean Protection Series

[0:16:49] Voice 6: forum and it's packed with lots of great information and ideas.

[0:16:54] Voice 6: is and um

[0:16:55] Voice 9: i guess the big big question is how that translates into action and legislative action and

[0:17:03] Voice 9: action on the waters here in dc uh also note that um towards the end of this month the association

[0:17:12] Voice 9: of vancouver island

[0:17:13] Voice 6: uh coastal communities convention to detail victoria members of

[0:17:17] Voice 6: executive committee will be attending that program just released

[0:17:20] Voice 5: but we haven't had a look at the

[0:17:22] Voice 5: resolutions yeah so that will be coming and that's it

[0:17:28] Voice 9: for my chair's report so um

[0:17:32] Voice 9: i'd like to

[0:17:33] Voice 6: turn it over to uh crd director holman for uh first sure i'll turn it over to

[0:17:41] Voice 6: lcc chair earl rooks yeah it's um second thursday of the month so the lcc will be having our regular

[0:17:50] Voice 6: evening meeting um tonight um tonight's meeting will be focused on housing

[0:17:55] Voice 6: we're going to have a number of presentations by local groups who are deeply involved in

[0:18:00] Voice 6: the housing issue on the island everything from the crd rural housing program to groups like

[0:18:08] Voice 6: iway that are working on projects um so if you've got an interest in housing there will be a number

[0:18:15] Voice 6: a very

[0:18:15] Voice 6: interesting presentation running for the full two hours tonight um i expect that much of

[0:18:21] Voice 6: the information will also be available in the agenda package for tonight's meeting um we have

[0:18:26] Voice 6: our presentations included so people can refer to those at on their own time frame um we'll be

[0:18:33] Voice 6: meeting um week from today for our regular daytime meeting um which will include after it's concluded

[0:18:40] Voice 6: in a roundtable on harbor management which is intended as a follow-up to our previous roundtable

[0:18:46] Voice 6: on the subject last year. We see this not as a policy making gathering we won't be at that point

[0:18:54] Voice 6: yet but one where we can better refine and continue to focus on the things that matter

[0:19:01] Voice 6: to our constituents and give us some guidelines for moving forward. We're also having dedications

[0:19:08] Voice 6: this afternoon for a team of bus shelters on the island with ribbon cuttings um it's a small thing

[0:19:14] Voice 6: but um we continue to try and make progress on trails and pathways but also on supporting our

[0:19:21] Voice 6: transit system and even as um which government's been retrenching from a funding perspective

[0:19:26] Voice 6: fec transit has pulled back their willingness to do expansion in the near future we're continuing

[0:19:32] Voice 6: to try and support our local system and a couple of shelters on Rainy Island is a step

[0:19:39] Voice 6: forward.

[0:19:40] Voice 6: We'll be at a small one.

[0:19:42] Voice 6: Looking forward to May, we will be looking at finalizing a draft at least for our integrated

[0:19:49] Voice 6: housing strategy at our main meeting.

[0:19:53] Voice 6: Our consultant's been working really hard on that and we should be ready to put something

[0:19:59] Voice 6: out to the public fairly soon.

[0:20:00] Voice 6: We will also, in a second May meeting, be beginning our preliminary discussions on the 2027 budget already, particularly with emphasis on new initiatives that may cause some changes to the iterative budget that will be coming out in August.

[0:20:20] Voice 6: and as a sure sign of spring um the garbage collection and portable toilets are back in place

[0:20:27] Voice 6: at beachside access that's managed by the crd around the island

[0:20:32] Voice 6: it's something that lcc did last year another small step forward we approved funding to get

[0:20:39] Voice 6: them out earlier and stay out longer and so this year um people visiting our beaches on

[0:20:46] Voice 6: these long spring days will have some facilities for their use that's all i've got and i hope to

[0:20:51] Voice 6: see some of our meetings tonight actually chair director yeah thanks chair i haven't been here

[0:20:59] Voice 6: in a while apologies for that i've largely do the conflicts in my schedule but uh since uh

[0:21:06] Voice 6: trustee harris mentioned uh the issue just wanted to i'll be sure to do the pressure but the overall

[0:21:14] Voice 6: all CRD requisition increase for 2026 it is about seven and a half percent per household

[0:21:23] Voice 6: and higher than the rate of inflation but if you look at the the tax increases that many

[0:21:30] Voice 6: municipalities and local governments are facing throughout British Columbia and certainly within

[0:21:34] Voice 6: sincerity. Seven and a half percent is part of the force because of cost increases to a certain

[0:21:45] Voice 6: extent. But I do believe that on Soloprene in particular, in fact, we'd be making quite a bit

[0:21:55] Voice 6: of progress it's not that there are not many things to do but just to briefly recount uh we

[0:22:04] Voice 6: have a new emergency room funded at lady mitchell we have a new fire hall in g's hill completely

[0:22:11] Voice 6: repaid with uh stormwater improvements that's a 23 million dollar investment by mt 140 units

[0:22:19] Voice 6: of housing over the past five or six years that includes the 15 million investment that

[0:22:25] Voice 6: PCA Housing made on trade road for supported and worker housing. We secured the 37,000 square foot

[0:22:32] Voice 6: Simmons building in which the LCC holds its meetings, refurbished Centennial Park, established

[0:22:44] Voice 6: two parks, Maxwell Mountain Community Park and a new donation of a parking park in Fulbright Harbor.

[0:22:53] Voice 6: Other entities as well, North Salt Spring has built a new water treatment plant on St. Mary Lake and is well underway with constructing a solar facility on Maxwell Lake.

[0:23:05] Voice 6: All sewer utilities have been upgrading their both water and sewer, upgrading their facilities.

[0:23:12] Voice 6: So that includes basically the complete replacement of the Malibu sewage treatment plant and also the Ganges sewer commission has received community funding and other funding, including gas tax.

[0:23:26] Voice 6: Gas tax has played a role in some of these projects to increase the capacity of the sewer system in Ganges, which would be crucial in terms of supporting affordable housing in and around the village.

[0:23:42] Voice 6: Just a couple of other things,

[0:23:44] Voice 6: share a noise, the CRD noise bylaws.

[0:23:48] Voice 6: The LCC has made recommendations

[0:23:50] Voice 6: about clarifying all those bylaws.

[0:23:53] Voice 6: In particular, the exemption around agricultural land.

[0:23:57] Voice 6: To clarify that, to clarify the fact

[0:24:00] Voice 6: that there are two bylaws,

[0:24:02] Voice 6: one that's shared by all three electoral areas

[0:24:05] Voice 6: and one just for salt springs.

[0:24:07] Voice 6: Get some clarity on that.

[0:24:10] Voice 6: that so uh staff in fact have been working on giving the bylaws and will be including those

[0:24:16] Voice 6: consideration of those requests in their view uh building uh inspection issues uh building

[0:24:26] Voice 6: the building permit fee structure is being revised so now instead of um separate permits for

[0:24:35] Voice 6: for construction, plumbing, wiring, et cetera,

[0:24:39] Voice 6: there'll be one permit, so it'll be consolidated.

[0:24:42] Voice 6: The net effect probably will be a slight increase in fees,

[0:24:45] Voice 6: and the intent there is to at least maintain cost recovery.

[0:24:50] Voice 6: Building inspection right now,

[0:24:51] Voice 6: about 75% of the cost of the building inspection service

[0:24:55] Voice 6: are covered by permit fees,

[0:24:58] Voice 6: so 25% are covered by taxpayers.

[0:25:00] Voice 6: And so there is a

[0:25:01] Voice 6: concern about the taxpayer contribution to the building inspection service also was part of the revisions to the fee structure.

[0:25:12] Voice 6: And I reported some of this to the LCC.

[0:25:17] Voice 6: The building permit fee will be reduced by 50% for affordable housing projects, and there's a definition of that.

[0:25:27] Voice 6: that. So for example, that will be applying to the Israel project

[0:25:31] Voice 6: on Kings Lane. In terms of the overall cost of that project,

[0:25:36] Voice 6: it's it's pretty minor. But everything that helps and the

[0:25:40] Voice 6: building inspection understood that they can play a role in

[0:25:44] Voice 6: reducing those costs. Building inspection also the community's

[0:25:50] Voice 6: fees or information requests related to buildings on

[0:25:57] Voice 6: property or extensive foi requests and that effect will be probably to increase those fees again the

[0:26:05] Voice 6: rationale being to fully recover the cost for any of those uh information requests uh just we will

[0:26:13] Voice 6: be talking a little bit about the mcp review and our our housing issue uh uh the uh one of the key

[0:26:23] Voice 6: data points that I'm actually a little embarrassed to admit is that we don't have consistent data

[0:26:32] Voice 6: being reported on the number of building permits issued on Salisbury for various types of housing.

[0:26:39] Voice 6: That's a very basic information that we should have available to inform the LCC housing strategy.

[0:26:46] Voice 6: I'm trying to get that data updated but the CRD will also be digitizing its building permit system

[0:26:52] Voice 6: Right now, if you request historical data from building permits, it's a paper search, very time-consuming, and once we digitize the data, the ending of what's being built on Salisbury, particularly in terms of housing, it's much easier to tabulate and present.

[0:27:14] Voice 6: in the so i'm trying also trying to update the data and at this point it seems that the annual

[0:27:22] Voice 6: uh construction of uh dwelling units on salisbury is a range of 50 to 60 units per year

[0:27:29] Voice 6: that includes uh well that's not just building permanent data that includes for example great

[0:27:35] Voice 6: room and because pc housing was a 60-year lease on that property they did not have to apply for

[0:27:41] Voice 6: a building permit so that's 36 units would not be included in that data 60 units i'm including

[0:27:49] Voice 6: that's all for estimate trying to clarify and update that information and also have a system

[0:27:55] Voice 6: whereby it's going to be more consistently and accurately reported going forward a sample of

[0:28:05] Voice 6: building inspection data last several years in terms of housing size that's been a concern in

[0:28:11] Voice 6: the community that uh our land use by law or building we allow the construction of mansions

[0:28:19] Voice 6: and large houses uh and it's used to be difficult you know technically that's true but uh the

[0:28:28] Voice 6: the sample of building permit data that i will say indicates that well over three quarters of

[0:28:35] Voice 6: of the dwelling units being built on Salt Spring

[0:28:39] Voice 6: past number of years have been under 2,500 square feet.

[0:28:44] Voice 6: The number of building units over 4,000 square feet

[0:28:48] Voice 6: is a very small proportion.

[0:28:50] Voice 6: So the building permit to make the case that, yeah,

[0:28:53] Voice 6: some people are building larger houses,

[0:28:55] Voice 6: but it's a pretty small proportion,

[0:28:58] Voice 6: probably in part due to construction, construction costs.

[0:29:02] Voice 6: costs. There, just again to dwell on the housing issue a little bit, there have been a number

[0:29:10] Voice 6: of statements about census data that indicate the degree of housing need on Salt Spring

[0:29:18] Voice 6: and the 2021 census does in fact indicate that about 1,700 households are either paying

[0:29:27] Voice 6: lower than 30% of income, which is the technical definition of affordability, or they're living in

[0:29:34] Voice 6: unsuitable housing or housing that needs major repair. Because 80% of occupied dwellings are

[0:29:42] Voice 6: actually owner-occupied, we need to remember that most of that data applies to owner-occupied

[0:29:52] Voice 6: dwellings. And so that's an important distinction to understand. There are certainly a proportion

[0:29:58] Voice 6: of renters.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: that are paying more than 30% of the income and that goes directly to our affordability issue.

[0:30:05] Voice 6: There's a much smaller percentage of households that live in unsupervised dwellings

[0:30:09] Voice 6: for dwellings that need patient care. That's actually a fairly small proportion of the total,

[0:30:16] Voice 6: but this is just an example of the kind of data that we need to be supporting.

[0:30:21] Voice 6: The LCC strategy moving forward, our housing strategies going forward, we need to be clear

[0:30:27] Voice 6: what that data is telling us. Transition has a representative here, and I just want to remind

[0:30:35] Voice 6: folks that Transition is administering two storage rebates, not on behalf of CRD, which will be going

[0:30:45] Voice 6: on for several years. So the funding for those rebates is coming from the CRD stormwater

[0:30:51] Voice 6: function and that's the rebates for I think up to $750 depending on the size of your storage tank

[0:30:58] Voice 6: and now recently for Salisbury is also introducing a program and transition

[0:31:04] Voice 6: society is administering all that as well. Can I just ask you to include me to wrap it up?

[0:31:13] Voice 6: Just one other thing composting bylaw chair the CRD will be considering a recommendation by staff

[0:31:21] Voice 6: have to rescind the Searney Composting By-law

[0:31:24] Voice 6: because it's redundant

[0:31:27] Voice 6: with the prevention of homeowner regulation.

[0:31:29] Voice 6: What that means is soon that by-law,

[0:31:32] Voice 6: the composter will be able to accept

[0:31:34] Voice 6: a broader range of materials,

[0:31:36] Voice 6: including restaurant foods.

[0:31:38] Voice 6: Thanks, Terry.

[0:31:39] Voice 6: Thank you for that.

[0:31:41] Voice 4: Okay, so moving on,

[0:31:45] Voice 4: we have draft minutes of the January

[0:31:47] Voice 6: 20th

[0:31:48] Voice 6: special meeting for adoption,

[0:31:50] Voice 6: And I'll look to see if there are any amendments to those minutes.

[0:31:55] Voice 6: No?

[0:31:56] Voice 6: Then I'll take it by general consent that we will adopt those minutes.

[0:32:00] Voice 6: And then we have the draft minutes of the February 26 special meeting.

[0:32:05] Voice 6: Justice Patrick.

[0:32:06] Voice 8: Well, it's not a correction.

[0:32:08] Voice 6: On page 11 of

[0:32:10] Voice 7: the page, I did

[0:32:17] Voice 6: say that we had not received a reply from the letter from

[0:32:22] Voice 6: sent to the administrative finance

[0:32:23] Voice 7: speculation that's not true we did receive a response on

[0:32:29] Voice 7: okay

[0:32:33] Voice 6: and it's not correct but we have over here yeah i think we may want to trust the billers

[0:32:41] Voice 6: that that would be you know with these minutes um okay um

[0:32:47] Voice 4: lisa did you get did you catch that point

[0:32:57] Voice 17: chair peterson i caught that um the minutes reflected that a letter to the minister of

[0:33:04] Voice 17: finance had not been received but it had actually been received okay

[0:33:09] Voice 6: that's fine so we'll just with

[0:33:12] Voice 6: those captured in these minutes we do not need to go back and

[0:33:15] Voice 6: offer that okay bye

[0:33:17] Voice 5: all right um so i

[0:33:20] Voice 5: will take it by general consent then that the minutes of october 6th meeting are adopted and

[0:33:28] Voice 6: finally have to drop minutes of the march 19th right on the 13th we're on those today

[0:33:34] Voice 6: today nope okay so again by general consent we will adopt those minutes uh moving on now to the

[0:33:46] Voice 6: court bonin section we have uh three items here and i'll just look to trustees to see if there's

[0:33:51] Voice 6: any any of these that won't be raised for discussion or action mr patrick um on the

[0:34:00] Voice 6: item 9.1 the person makes reference to our bicycle parking standards but does the crd

[0:34:08] Voice 6: likely has its own bicycle parking standards that is wise for building permits doesn't it

[0:34:16] Voice 18: so we do have a standard in our um in our language bylaw um that is that is the park

[0:34:24] Voice 18: extent that this is actually established in our bylaws that the uh writer has pointed out

[0:34:30] Voice 18: uh i don't think crd would have been for building permits it's not something

[0:34:34] Voice 6: that's still in the

[0:34:35] Voice 6: building act uh they would likely have a park standard uh that would be certainly

[0:34:43] Voice 6: valid for coordinating with other government agencies i just thought you know it's worth

[0:34:54] Voice 6: catching for at least a to-do

[0:34:57] Voice 7: list of the language bylaws when

[0:34:59] Voice 7: it's updated if the bicycle racks are

[0:35:01] Voice 7: would you ever have a standard or

[0:35:06] Voice 6: not today this is the right word i think we've certainly filed

[0:35:10] Voice 6: this um is it suggesting we would file some diversity correspondence or that it is uh you

[0:35:17] Voice 6: know bicycle infrastructure is not sitting with the current so far as being critical to the the

[0:35:22] Voice 6: improvement of the diversity and availability of housing in terms of our project mandate however

[0:35:27] Voice 6: so that is a valid uh point um if there's anything that can be updated or refreshed

[0:35:33] Voice 6: uh that's relatively kind and it helps us to advance that project certainly uh you know

[0:35:46] Voice 7: and anything

[0:35:47] Voice 18: else under the correspondence

[0:35:48] Voice 7: today point

[0:36:08] Voice 6: two i think is more appropriate

[0:36:10] Voice 6: they have an economic

[0:36:11] Voice 7: crd has

[0:36:12] Voice 6: an economic development service so i think this was also

[0:36:15] Voice 6: sent to them or do you see anything it's referenced to the crd so the crd asked them

[0:36:27] Voice 6: to reach out to this palette so i think i think this should be forwarded to cc

[0:36:36] Voice 7: that's true i

[0:36:42] Voice 18: think that this may have been a

[0:36:44] Voice 6: crd we can certainly follow up with them and see if this

[0:36:46] Voice 6: yeah to the crd um you know the very standardized correspondent system uh does reference the other

[0:36:54] Voice 6: trip forward which i assume test um in this case it's all straight out of the computer ship team

[0:37:06] Voice 6: yeah follow

[0:37:09] Voice 18: up and see if that's about receiving

[0:37:10] Voice 6: yeah yeah make sure they got it

[0:37:12] Voice 6: they're more appropriate for privacy um moving on then we have the follow-up action on starting

[0:37:25] Voice 6: on page 28. look to start citizen would you like to highlight from the board today

[0:37:35] Voice 18: correct yeah um the um i did want to note the the item around creating an mou um with lpc

[0:37:44] Voice 6: um

[0:37:46] Voice 6: this is ongoing with the trust council even though the claire elliott

[0:37:56] Voice 6: there's a monthly now established um i mean we have gotten a marked up draft and this this should

[0:38:04] Voice 6: be coming back to uh executive members at this table uh with well through the technical committee

[0:38:10] Voice 6: so it's a it is a joint effort uh and the demo view itself uh will ultimately be adopted yeah

[0:38:18] Voice 6: So it's it's a bit of a process that we're going through, but that that process is underway in terms of getting it wrapped I can't say this year, but it's it's it's an ongoing process, right, you know, obviously that requires the Ministry approval and so there's a lot of

[0:38:42] Voice 6: That's that's on the

[0:38:48] Voice 18: I do want to also point out that

[0:38:50] Voice 6: there is a

[0:38:53] Voice 6: a resolution at the end here regarding what's being put in for the uh this meeting this this

[0:39:00] Voice 6: referral to the agricultural advisory planning commission uh has a schedule and i'm having

[0:39:06] Voice 6: bigger info this month i

[0:39:12] Voice 18: did want to advise lpc this time on the status

[0:39:16] Voice 6: of 355 blackburn

[0:39:19] Voice 6: briefly um and i'm i'm sort of looking for a passive consent here without giving you

[0:39:25] Voice 6: any information uh which is what i'm required to do um but i will say that for lpc's request that

[0:39:33] Voice 6: we uh we would

[0:39:35] Voice 6: do this and determine whether or not there is additional information uh there is

[0:39:40] Voice 6: and we would like to suggest LTC that essentially...

[0:39:54] Voice 17: Mayor Peterson?

[0:39:56] Voice 18: Yes?

[0:39:58] Voice 17: The RPM's voice is cutting out.

[0:40:02] Voice 18: Sorry.

[0:40:04] Voice 18: So I just wanted to say that the,

[0:40:06] Voice 18: with regards to the status of the application

[0:40:09] Voice 18: on 355 Blackburn, which we've had a public hearing,

[0:40:12] Voice 6: which I cannot provide you with it, however,

[0:40:15] Voice 6: LTC had asked for us to look for status

[0:40:20] Voice 6: look at the information and advise whether or not a second public theory is advisable. So

[0:40:25] Voice 6: we've been advised at this time that a second public theory is advisable

[0:40:29] Voice 6: unless LDC has objection to that process. So if you'd like to direct us to return that

[0:40:39] Voice 6: application to you for your consideration to do so and provide you with a basic report

[0:40:45] Voice 6: or simply provide the information if you understand me that uh

[0:40:53] Voice 6: and we said so you do you need some direction then yeah i thought

[0:41:02] Voice 7: we did in the last few

[0:41:04] Voice 7: in the minutes on page 15 last

[0:41:07] Voice 6: meeting we said we clarified the procedure that we asked if we

[0:41:12] Voice 6: wanted to receive the report we clarified that if we receive this information it may result in a

[0:41:17] Voice 6: public hearing we did pass a motion to request you to provide us that information

[0:41:25] Voice 6: so it may work okay mr chairman okay okay so we've already been in correction

[0:41:33] Voice 6: uh anything else on the follow-up action trustee patrick uh

[0:41:39] Voice 8: you just wanted to ask on status of

[0:41:43] Voice 8: protocol or

[0:41:44] Voice 6: mechanism of understanding between us and the LCC? What's the status of that?

[0:41:50] Voice 6: It's still in the room by myself. Essentially, we've got to move that forward to LCC.

[0:41:58] Voice 6: Essentially, that's something that we'll challenge to get to, the priorities of LCC,

[0:42:09] Voice 6: but it's something that should be coming back.

[0:42:13] Voice 6: Well, I just think of legacy work and having agreement in place where

[0:42:18] Voice 6: a new term to set off to their benefit okay

[0:42:27] Voice 5: anything else on the house on the follow-up

[0:42:29] Voice 5: action list then move on to the active projects if there's anything here

[0:42:37] Voice 6: that you would like to

[0:42:38] Voice 6: find out this time nothing at this time mr chair i think it's probably fair to say that we'll talk

[0:42:43] Voice 6: about the uh the project uh uh later on back in may and uh the secondary projects are something

[0:42:52] Voice 6: i think we're sort of still thinking it's not getting our people back online

[0:42:56] Voice 6: i

[0:43:04] Voice 4: was

[0:43:06] Voice 8: just from a housekeeping perspective um the active

[0:43:10] Voice 6: projects list the project three

[0:43:12] Voice 6: our modern sustainability project which i'll point out well

[0:43:16] Voice 8: um also the recording project

[0:43:20] Voice 8: um we should work we should coordinate uh the trust council uh promotion of

[0:43:27] Voice 8: of um

[0:43:29] Voice 7: focusing on the uh key actions uh 16 to 19 with the water protection or watershed

[0:43:43] Voice 6: protection governance

[0:43:43] Voice 8: coordination actions um

[0:43:46] Voice 6: assault strength island watershed protection plan

[0:43:49] Voice 6: so there's a trust council tied the requisition box to those approach those four actions

[0:44:00] Voice 7: i just

[0:44:01] Voice 7: think this this report that one should be coordinated okay i don't know if we need a motion

[0:44:10] Voice 18: Um, yeah, I think that would be probably really, uh, uh, emotion regarding the projects, uh,

[0:44:17] Voice 6: just to provide the clarity of direction.

[0:44:31] Voice 8: Trust Council.

[0:44:34] Voice 8: Um, Lisa, I'll do my best, uh, the, the Salt Spring Island local press committee, uh, request

[0:44:41] Voice 8: staff to, uh, link, I guess I'll say link number, the number three, the water sustainability

[0:44:55] Voice 8: action to uh i think it's trust trust council 2025 131 is the ocean from december

[0:45:08] Voice 6: 2025 i think it's just linked and

[0:45:16] Voice 9: we'll just uh give her a moment and then

[0:45:20] Voice 9: can see if she can read back what she has here for us chair

[0:45:26] Voice 17: peterson i have that the salt spring

[0:45:29] Voice 17: Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff

[0:45:31] Voice 17: to link item number three, water sustainability action

[0:45:36] Voice 17: on the active projects list

[0:45:38] Voice 17: to Trust Council Resolution number TC2025-131.

[0:45:47] Voice 6: So that's moved and Trustee Gars, I see your hand up,

[0:45:50] Voice 6: but I'm gonna be looking for a second for the motion.

[0:45:54] Voice 6: Second motion and discussion on the motion report.

[0:45:57] Voice 6: for? We can motion them.

[0:46:08] Voice 9: Lisa, are you able to share screen for the motion wording for

[0:46:12] Voice 9: Trustee Harris here?

[0:46:15] Voice 17: Sure. One moment, please. Thank

[0:47:40] Voice 6: you. So any discussion? Trustee Harris?

[0:47:46] Voice 6: Thank you. You know, this is just, I'm opposed to this. This is, when I look at the active

[0:47:54] Voice 6: Projects Report, I can see that I've been opposed to every single one of these. And

[0:48:04] Voice 6: for a community that's in crisis and has been for quite a long time,

[0:48:08] Voice 6: I really struggle when I look at this Active Projects Report. What it reads to me is a

[0:48:18] Voice 6: far left extremism that's putting a stranglehold on the community. So I'm opposed to the motion.

[0:48:29] Voice 6: uh anything else on the motion not saying any i'm sorry well mr chair i would just say that

[0:48:39] Voice 6: unless we're very certain about that resolution number i would i would suggest a friendly uh

[0:48:44] Voice 6: possibly to say that lpc uh trust staff to think through the sustainability action

[0:48:52] Voice 6: to any recent relevant uh

[0:49:04] Voice 8: Sure, I didn't look it up.

[0:49:05] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:49:08] Voice 6: I

[0:49:08] Voice 8: looked up the number, but...

[0:49:11] Voice 8: If

[0:49:12] Voice 18: we're comfortable with that,

[0:49:13] Voice 18: then that's acceptable.

[0:49:14] Voice 18: I think that it's not about a resolution.

[0:49:18] Voice 6: No, no, it was just tying up.

[0:49:21] Voice 8: I, if you want, I can read.

[0:49:23] Voice 8: So the motion that was made at trust counsel

[0:49:25] Voice 8: was the remaining special tax work

[0:49:30] Voice 8: decision funds were directed to implementing action 1619 of the salt spring pilot watershed

[0:49:41] Voice 8: protection plan

[0:49:41] Voice 6: those actions being action 16 collaboration first nations uh material interests

[0:49:47] Voice 6: south spring action 17 leaked the governance review to optimize watershed protection

[0:49:52] Voice 6: administrative

[0:49:52] Voice 8: arrangements action 18 urged

[0:49:55] Voice 6: the province to explore potential regulatory tools

[0:49:58] Voice 7: and

[0:49:59] Voice 6: Action 19 continued convening a multi-organization forum of communication and coordination.

[0:50:08] Voice 4: Anything

[0:50:11] Voice 6: further on the motion there?

[0:50:16] Voice 18: I'm looking at the Trust Council. I'm in the Trust Council here.

[0:50:25] Voice 18: Okay, so it is related to it, but it's not the extent of that resolution you've got here.

[0:50:44] Voice 7: What

[0:50:48] Voice 18: I have here is under, this

[0:50:55] Voice 6: is under 131, uh, moved by Trustee Patrick, seconded by

[0:51:00] Voice 6: Trustee Peterson, that Trust Council request staff to obtain all unspent Special Patchwork

[0:51:06] Voice 6: funds, special reserves, and private funds to coordinate actions.

[0:51:11] Voice 2: Yep.

[0:51:11] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:51:12] Voice 6: Yep.

[0:51:12] Voice 6: That's the motion.

[0:51:13] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:51:15] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:51:16] Voice 6: So we have full clarity there.

[0:51:19] Voice 6: uh all right then i'm going to call the question all over favor any opposed may i please have my

[0:51:25] Voice 6: position noted i still have comments on the project's report yep that's funny uh so the

[0:51:31] Voice 6: motion is carried and uh over to you trustee thank you chair peterson i find it very interesting um

[0:51:38] Voice 6: as i mentioned earlier that um i've been opposed to every single thing on the project's report and

[0:51:45] Voice 6: And, you know, how did we get to that?

[0:51:47] Voice 6: We have an LTC.

[0:51:50] Voice 6: I was elected.

[0:51:51] Voice 6: Laura Patrick was elected.

[0:51:54] Voice 6: Laura Patrick got a few more votes than me.

[0:51:56] Voice 6: Not a whole lot more, but a few.

[0:52:00] Voice 6: And so we have to vote to pass these things.

[0:52:05] Voice 6: So I vote against it.

[0:52:07] Voice 6: Laura Patrick votes for it.

[0:52:09] Voice 6: Well, somebody that's not

[0:52:11] Voice 15: even elected to this island makes the decision.

[0:52:14] Voice 15: How does that work?

[0:52:16] Voice 15: If that's not glaring undemocratic representation, I don't know what is.

[0:52:21] Voice 6: And why people aren't more fevered up and pushing for a fix to that issue, I really don't understand why.

[0:52:31] Voice 5: I'll

[0:52:31] Voice 6: leave it at that. Thank you.

[0:52:33] Voice 6: I'll just note that that is captured in the provincial legislation,

[0:52:36] Voice 6: and it would be up to the province to make any changes to play that setup.

[0:52:42] Voice 6: Well, if I may, it's up to people to push for changes.

[0:52:46] Voice 6: just because it's legislative doesn't mean it's right correct i'm just clarifying the

[0:52:50] Voice 6: jurisdiction that's all uh anything else on the active projects list today

[0:52:57] Voice 6: and anything from any of them on the future

[0:53:01] Voice 6: trusted doctor just for the benefit of the chair in the last

[0:53:05] Voice 6: many weeks of the september side i think

[0:53:07] Voice 7: it may need to do some housekeeping okay

[0:53:15] Voice 7: Well,

[0:53:17] Voice 18: I think it's also we do it for the report.

[0:53:20] Voice 6: So maybe it'll be the time. Yeah, I know that was the fuel item for itself projects. Right. So that's what we certainly

[0:53:34] Voice 6: will be the part that would validate okay okay so moving along we have no committee

[0:53:44] Voice 6: information on public hearing we're at 123 um and um just look to see you know check in with

[0:53:59] Voice 6: staff maybe and in the room for applications yeah you have to do a quick airline person

[0:54:07] Voice 6: person, a chat person, to just make the offer and be real quick.

[0:54:11] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:54:12] Voice 6: Was there a Chris James or a Chad?

[0:54:18] Voice 18: Chad or Steve?

[0:54:22] Voice 6: They're both online right now?

[0:54:23] Voice 6: Okay, perfect.

[0:54:26] Voice 6: Okay, and I know that item 14.2, they requested to schedule them after 2.05 if possible.

[0:54:36] Voice 6: So we'll just start going through them as they're presented here with a 4.2, either last or push off of open depending on

[0:54:46] Voice 6: how the scheduling time

[0:54:48] Voice 5: in Sculls goes.

[0:54:49] Voice 5: So starting on page 39 then, we

[0:54:55] Voice 9: have a staff report from Planner Fantino for Atlanta's bylaw

[0:55:01] Voice 6: amendment and rezone, and I'll turn it over to Planner Fantino.

[0:55:11] Voice 11: Good afternoon, trustees and chair. I hope you're having a good day. Today, I'm presenting to you a report, a rezoning application staff report on 805 Lower Ganges Road.

[0:55:24] Voice 11: The applicant has submitted an application to rezone the property, which consists of two, a northern portion and a southern portion.

[0:55:36] Voice 11: They're requesting to rezone to allow for liquor primary use on both the northern and southern portions,

[0:55:43] Voice 11: and also a maximum of one beverage cart to be allowed on each portion of the property.

[0:55:54] Voice 11: So our recommendation for this application today is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to proceed with processing application PLRZ 2025-0407.

[0:56:09] Voice 11: Recommendation number two is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No. 355-1999 to rezone the northern portion,

[0:56:22] Voice 11: Section 9, range to east-north Salt Spring Island Cowichan District, accept the easterly 6.75 chains thereof, accept parcel B, bracket DD77036I, bracket, and accept part in plan 14185 to add subsection 7 to park and reserve 3A zone variant to allow liquor primary use with the maximum number of mobile beverage carts of one cart.

[0:56:52] Voice 11: And then the Section B to this recommendation, which speaks to the southern portion, which is Section 5, range to east, North Salt Spring Island, Cowichan District, except part in plans 2183 and 39530, from Park and Reserve 3 zone to Park and Reserve 3 variant B, to allow liquor primary use with the maximum number of mobile beverage carts of one cart.

[0:57:20] Voice 11: recommendation number three that this the salt spring island local trust committee request staff

[0:57:26] Voice 11: to notify and seek input from the salt spring island advisory planning commission applicable

[0:57:32] Voice 11: agencies and first nations that an application has been received received to amend salt spring

[0:57:37] Voice 11: island juice bylaw number 355 1999 and finally that the salt spring island local trust committee

[0:57:43] Voice 11: request staff to schedule a community information meeting for at least two weeks prior to the

[0:57:48] Voice 11: the meeting at which the draft bylaw file PLRZ 2025-0407 is anticipated to be provided to the

[0:57:56] Voice 11: LTC for the first reading. I also would like to bring up on page number two of the reports that

[0:58:07] Voice 11: underneath the map, it says that the applicant has submitted confirmation from the ALC that a

[0:58:12] Voice 11: non-form use permit is required that should read is not required and that is included as

[0:58:18] Voice 11: attachment five they have correspondence from the ALC that it won't be required

[0:58:24] Voice 11: yeah so I just wanted to bring that to your attention that there was a typo in the report

[0:58:31] Voice 9: hey thank you and do you have a representative for the applicant here today I

[0:58:39] Voice 11: think the applicant's

[0:58:40] Voice 11: agent was waiting to

[0:58:44] Voice 11: get into the room. I'm not sure if she

[0:58:46] Voice 11: into the Zoom meeting. I'm not sure if she's

[0:58:48] Voice 11: still waiting in there, but I can

[0:58:51] Voice 11: notify her.

[0:58:54] Voice 17: What's the name, please?

[0:58:55] Voice 11: Her name is Christina Beehler.

[0:58:58] Voice 11: B-E-E-H-L-E-R.

[0:59:00] Voice 17: Christina's here. I'll let her in.

[0:59:01] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:59:04] Voice 9: So, Christina, then, anything to

[0:59:06] Voice 9: add before I turn to

[0:59:07] Voice 9: trustees for questions?

[0:59:11] Voice 9: I want to note

[0:59:13] Voice 9: uh

[0:59:13] Voice 6: mr patino said section nine uh the property description of the first property it's section

[0:59:21] Voice 6: six section six which is what it says in that yeah sorry

[0:59:25] Voice 5: about

[0:59:25] Voice 11: that of

[0:59:26] Voice 4: course okay um so anything

[0:59:29] Voice 4: yet christina before i uh move to questions christina can hear us um i'm not

[0:59:44] Voice 9: sure if you

[0:59:45] Voice 9: the staff report was just presented.

[0:59:49] Voice 9: And I just wanted to offer you the opportunity

[0:59:51] Voice 9: if you wanted to add anything

[0:59:53] Voice 9: before I go to trustees for questions.

[0:59:57] Voice 13: Good afternoon, trustees and chair.

[0:59:59] Voice 13: No.

[1:00:00] Voice 13: don't really have anything to add. I just wanted to be here in

[1:00:01] Voice 13: case you had any questions.

[1:00:03] Voice 4: Okay, great. Thank you. So trustees questions, comments.

[1:00:07] Voice 4: Sorry, I

[1:00:07] Voice 8: just I it's, it's been a while since we talked about

[1:00:10] Voice 4: the trustee.

[1:00:11] Voice 4: I

[1:00:11] Voice 8: just had one question for staff on recommendation three.

[1:00:15] Voice 8: So just the advisory planning. Is this a secondary? Oh, sorry.

[1:00:19] Voice 8: Is it

[1:00:20] Voice 8: ALR? Or?

[1:00:23] Voice 11: Or yeah, the property is within ALR.

[1:00:28] Voice 8: So would we be then, it should be the Agricultural Advisory Plan.

[1:00:32] Voice 13: Sorry, there's a bunch of people talking all at the same time.

[1:00:36] Voice 8: Sorry, no problem.

[1:00:42] Voice 18: Christina, we're just one of the trustees just asking our staff a quick question here.

[1:00:49] Voice 18: So if you want to mute, that's fine.

[1:00:51] Voice 18: If they have a question for you and you can unmute, that'd be great.

[1:00:54] Voice 18: so

[1:00:55] Voice 8: anyway anyway um minor fotino should it be the agricultural advisory planning commission that we

[1:01:02] Voice 8: refer

[1:01:04] Voice 6: this to um

[1:01:06] Voice 11: i i i took out the the aapc because we had the notification from the uh

[1:01:15] Voice 11: alc that you know they they really didn't have interest in in this application in a way that

[1:01:21] Voice 11: that they were concerned.

[1:01:23] Voice 11: We can amend that recommendation to include the AAPC

[1:01:27] Voice 11: if LTC would like.

[1:01:31] Voice 6: I just don't have the terms of reference in front of me,

[1:01:34] Voice 6: but I thought particular ALR properties

[1:01:38] Voice 6: were specific for the AAPC, that's all.

[1:01:42] Voice 6: I just said that if LTC wishes to do so,

[1:01:45] Voice 6: then it's reasonable to do this in the ALR.

[1:01:49] Voice 6: There would be a question that we could both or.

[1:01:52] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:01:52] Voice 6: yeah fair trustee harris i would prefer to see um recommendation number three removed

[1:01:58] Voice 6: from the recommendations if the ltc has the appetite to remove it thank you um any other

[1:02:11] Voice 6: questions or comments before i look for resolutions all

[1:02:22] Voice 5: right well we have uh four

[1:02:24] Voice 5: recommendations in front of us so let's go through them one at a time and

[1:02:30] Voice 6: as a trustee prepared to

[1:02:32] Voice 6: you may leave this recommendation go

[1:02:35] Voice 8: ahead i move that the salzburg island local trust committee

[1:02:39] Voice 8: request staff will proceed with processing application plr zed two zero two five zero

[1:02:45] Voice 8: four zero seven blue

[1:02:48] Voice 6: seconder accepted by trustee harris any discussion seeing

[1:02:54] Voice 5: any alcohol question

[1:02:55] Voice 5: all those in favor and that motion carries i

[1:03:00] Voice 8: move that the salzburg island local trust committee

[1:03:02] Voice 8: Any requests to amend Salt Spring Island land use

[1:03:06] Voice 8: bylaw number 355, 1999 to rezone section six range to East

[1:03:11] Voice 8: North Salt Spring Island Gouging District

[1:03:15] Voice 8: except the easterly 6.75 change thereof except parcel B

[1:03:21] Voice 8: and except part in plan 14185 to add subsection seven

[1:03:28] Voice 8: on Park and Reserve 3A zone variant

[1:03:33] Voice 8: to allow liquor primary use

[1:03:36] Voice 8: with the maximum number of mobile beverage carts of one.

[1:03:41] Voice 8: Section five, range two east, north,

[1:03:45] Voice 8: Salt Spring Island Couch and District

[1:03:48] Voice 8: accept parts and plans 2183 and 39530

[1:03:51] Voice 8: nine five three zero uh from park and reserve three to park and reserve three variant b

[1:04:03] Voice 8: and uh to allow liquor primary use uh with maximum number of mobile beverage parts of one

[1:04:10] Voice 4: move second by trustee harris any discussion call the question all those in favor

[1:04:16] Voice 6: that carries

[1:04:20] Voice 6: I would move that we, the LTC removes recommendation number three, given what we're actually doing

[1:04:27] Voice 6: here.

[1:04:28] Voice 6: I think this adds way too much staff time to it all, we already have a very large active

[1:04:34] Voice 6: projects list and putting this in there just, you know, it just prolongs the process for

[1:04:41] Voice 6: no good reason.

[1:04:43] Voice 6: With that, I would like to move recommendation three now.

[1:04:49] Voice 6: I don't

[1:04:54] Voice 18: know that we need

[1:04:55] Voice 6: to um yeah we haven't made the motion yet so that's not right but

[1:05:04] Voice 6: I would look to staff uh for any advice on not advancing recommendation three it's

[1:05:19] Voice 18: something

[1:05:20] Voice 18: that LTC has been did referring um if they wish to to the any planning commission advisory

[1:05:31] Voice 18: advisory planning commission, that is sort of at the discretion of LPC. I would note that there's still, in terms of timing, I think we're looking at the APCs regardless in the coming months. So it's another item. It's a candidate for both APCs. If LPC wishes to hear that input, really the role of each APC is to provide an advice.

[1:06:03] Voice 18: to this this

[1:06:05] Voice 6: body so it's really only for your benefit to do so for you the

[1:06:11] Voice 6: referral period should I get entirely not going ahead with agency was all our

[1:06:20] Voice 6: partner companies agency to provide very important position quite often it's a

[1:06:26] Voice 6: third just so effective that this is the confirmation that we needed and this

[1:06:30] Voice 6: this and make sure that when you make this decision,

[1:06:32] Voice 6: you have the best advice possible,

[1:06:35] Voice 6: both if not within the purview beyond the stress,

[1:06:38] Voice 6: but beyond it, because there are issues here quite often.

[1:06:44] Voice 6: And sometimes we get applications where,

[1:06:47] you know, we get responses back from brokers

[1:06:50] that allow

[1:06:51] Voice 6: an applicant to adjust their application

[1:06:53] Voice 6: in a way that allows them to actually realize

[1:06:56] Voice 6: the ambivalence of why they submitted

[1:06:58] Voice 6: this application in the first place.

[1:06:59] Voice 6: so um and you know it is it is reasonable to specifically circulate these things the first

[1:07:05] Voice 6: nations referral is is probably reasonable as well for a number of right the location of this

[1:07:11] type of use well like the industry in

[1:07:14] Voice 6: the future is a large portion of it uh there's there you know

[1:07:18] Voice 6: at this point uh providing a certain advisory coaching is uh

[1:07:23] Voice 18: you know maybe less important

[1:07:36] Voice 6: I see exactly what would be different than other applications. Look at what we're doing here.

[1:07:48] Voice 6: They're having a liquor cart on the golf course. People already are packing beers and liquor in

[1:07:54] Voice 6: their golf bags you know this is of no consequence to the apc or to first nations this is just making

[1:08:02] Voice 6: something you know let them have a bit more fun and freedom at the golf course there already is

[1:08:07] Voice 6: number four up in the recommendation that is asking us to request community information meeting

[1:08:13] Voice 6: so if anybody has anything to say about it they can say it then again i think this is number three

[1:08:18] Voice 6: is way overkill and this type of thing that is plaguing communities and decision making and

[1:08:25] Voice 6: you know just adds time needlessly and with that i'm prepared to make a motion if needed

[1:08:33] Voice 6: to remove number three from this recommendation list okay

[1:08:39] Voice 5: i think actually procedurally what i'd

[1:08:41] Voice 5: uh what i prefer to do is um uh look for a motion that one that would uh encompass all our parts

[1:08:53] Voice 5: what's uh that put it in number three and uh uh if that motion

[1:08:58] Voice 6: fails then it would uh would have

[1:09:00] Voice 6: the same effect so finally let's see uh just about sure

[1:09:05] Voice 8: i'll move the salt spring island

[1:09:07] Voice 8: local trust may request staff notify and seek input from salt spring island agricultural

[1:09:12] Voice 8: cultural advisory planning commission and the advisory planning commission applicable agencies

[1:09:18] Voice 8: and first nations that an uh application has been received to amend the salt screen island

[1:09:23] Voice 8: land use file

[1:09:24] Voice 6: number 355 1999. it's been moved i'll set the motion and

[1:09:29] Voice 6: any further discussion

[1:09:31] Voice 6: that's why i did it this matter so yeah i don't

[1:09:33] Voice 6: think i need to discuss anymore i think i'm

[1:09:35] Voice 6: i'm pretty clear um not fit for the motion and i'm going to see it stricken just patrick

[1:09:43] Voice 8: well i agree here's minor it is the processes that we follow this is a rezoning and it's a process of

[1:09:50] Voice 8: rezoning both commissions are going to be meeting so i don't see this being

[1:09:55] Voice 6: a risk or time consuming

[1:10:00] Voice 6: this isn't the purview of our power to make that decision um we can do that here

[1:10:05] Voice 6: the three of us and it doesn't have to go to it doesn't have to go to several places we can make

[1:10:11] Voice 6: a decision and with critical thinking they

[1:10:13] Voice 6: can see clearly that this is a in my opinion um a needless

[1:10:20] Voice 6: exercise in policy uh and i'm obviously not a favorite sure enough um and just i think it was

[1:10:34] Voice 6: just a question of reiteration that uh from the staff perspective with the schedules uh

[1:10:42] Voice 6: don't anticipate this plan the passing of this resolution would add a significant time to the

[1:10:48] Voice 6: to the processing of the application we're going to add a bit of time

[1:10:53] Voice 6: um in this case um you know

[1:10:56] Voice 6: there's not really you know we're looking at coming back to the bylaws so it might have

[1:11:05] Voice 6: So if there is a tendency to do the bad time, so it will be, especially the, uh, the external

[1:11:12] Voice 6: season for nations, typically, uh, you advise that that's about a 60 day window, uh, turn

[1:11:19] Voice 6: around and not that essentially missing two LPC meetings, reasonable to be in our deadlines.

[1:11:29] Voice 6: Uh, trustee Harris, um, first nations referrals can go up to 90 days, uh, and, and, and, and

[1:11:34] Voice 6: And, you know, if it's one month or two, that is a lengthy period of time in the small window of good weather that we have for people to be out on the course and for people to be utilizing the benefits of this zoning change.

[1:11:48] Voice 6: So with that, I'm still opposed to furthering recommendation number three.

[1:11:55] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:11:57] Voice 6: Anything further on the motion?

[1:12:01] Voice 4: If not, I will call the question in on the paper.

[1:12:04] Voice 6: And any opposed?

[1:12:07] Voice 6: and motion is carried. I'll have my opposition over to thank you.

[1:12:12] Voice 8: I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting

[1:12:17] Voice 8: for at least two

[1:12:17] Voice 6: weeks prior to the meeting at which the draft bylaw of PLRZ20250407 is anticipated

[1:12:26] Voice 6: to be provided to the LTC for treatment.

[1:12:29] Voice 5: Moved. Second motion. Any discussion?

[1:12:33] Voice 5: All those in favor? That carries.

[1:12:38] Voice 6: Hey, thank you. Then, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir.

[1:12:43] Voice 6: I just wanted to note that last resolution in the past is something that we hope you'll be seeing more of

[1:12:50] Voice 18: on resumings in the future.

[1:12:52] Voice 18: I know that we've had a couple of the

[1:12:55] Voice 6: previous scheduling program was holding the CIM typically one or two years before the public hearing.

[1:13:02] Voice 6: That would result in a lot of surprises for staff and LDC, and I think that the public

[1:13:07] Voice 6: feeling a little bit caught unaware.

[1:13:09] Voice 6: So the intention with that restriction is to sort of be in keeping with trust counsel

[1:13:14] Voice 6: policy to get a CIM in place before the actual, before a first meeting and well enough in

[1:13:23] Voice 6: advance of the public hearing that LDC gets that response prior to that application, as

[1:13:31] Voice 6: well yeah it was that clarification i i noticed that i hadn't seen the

[1:13:39] Voice 6: potential staggering timing there and i think that's that's a positive positive uh so appreciate

[1:13:45] Voice 6: that okay so we agreed

[1:13:47] Voice 9: that we're going to uh hold off on 14.2 um and so let's advance to 14

[1:13:55] Voice 6: .3

[1:13:56] Voice 6: which is zoning for upper cages roads,

[1:14:01] Voice 6: turning on page 157.

[1:14:04] Voice 6: And this is number two, Plana Garuba.

[1:14:07] Voice 6: Thank you very much Mr. Chair.

[1:14:09] Voice 6: The staff report presents proposed bylaws

[1:14:12] Voice 6: number 544 and 545,

[1:14:15] Voice 6: which will create a general pre-zone

[1:14:17] Voice 6: in order to bring current uses

[1:14:19] Voice 6: on the subject property and supporting its upper cages

[1:14:22] Voice 6: into compliance with the land use regulations.

[1:14:24] Voice 6: This report is presented following the October 16th, 2025 LTC meeting when the proposed bylaws were read a fourth time and was directed to be forwarded to the Executive Committee for approval and to the Ministry as well for approval.

[1:14:40] Voice 6: At its regular business meeting on November 19th, 2025,

[1:14:44] Voice 7: the Executive Committee approved the proposed bylaws and bylaw No. 504 received ministerial approval on March 3rd, 2026.

[1:14:52] Voice 7: In giving sub-grading to by-law numbers 544 and 545 at its October 16, 2025 meeting,

[1:15:00] Voice 7: Salisbury Local Trust Committee did not propose any conditions for the adoption of the by-law.

[1:15:05] Voice 7: As the by-laws have now received the Executive Committee and the Ministry's approval,

[1:15:10] Voice 7: Salisbury recommends that they be adopted. Thank you.

[1:15:14] Voice 6: Thank

[1:15:15] Voice 4: you. Any questions

[1:15:16] Voice 6: to report

[1:15:18] Voice 4: adoption here?

[1:15:19] Voice 4: all right then two recommendations if someone would like to make the first one

[1:15:27] Voice 8: the salt spring island uh local trust committee viola number 544 cited a salt spring island

[1:15:33] Voice 8: official community plan file number 434 2008 amendment number one 2025 be adopted moved

[1:15:42] Voice 6: second by trustee harris any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:15:49] Voice 6: that carries i'm the second one i

[1:15:53] Voice 8: move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[1:15:54] Voice 8: bylaw number four five cited is salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment

[1:16:01] Voice 8: number three 2025 be adopted moved

[1:16:05] Voice 6: seconded by trustee harris any further discussion

[1:16:09] Voice 6: uh just here yeah sorry it took so long okay uh getting done anything further

[1:16:20] Voice 4: I'll call the question all those in favor and that carries as well thank you guys for

[1:16:27] this

[1:16:27] Voice 6: whole process I'm sorry I took so long too I definitely opened some of that but happy we are

[1:16:32] Voice 6: here thank you guys so much okay thank you okay so on page

[1:16:38] Voice 4: 165 staff report um zoning land use

[1:16:46] Voice 5: by-law amendment and this is also from planner garuba let's go ahead thank

[1:16:51] Voice 6: you mr chair so this

[1:16:53] Voice 6: application is for subject property as one of what happens and the stock report is presented

[1:16:59] Voice 6: following the february 12 2026 celtas regular meeting where staff was directed to proceed

[1:17:05] Voice 6: processing the application to bring into compliance the existing uses on subject property

[1:17:09] Voice 6: upon the expiration of the largest contract and to prepare a draft file staff proceeded with

[1:17:15] Voice 6: draft of the bylaw as directed by the LTC and also analyze the application in relation to the

[1:17:20] Voice 6: Island's Trust Policy Statement. Staff therefore recommend that the LTC review the Island's Trust

[1:17:26] Voice 6: Policy Statement Directives on the checklist and determine that the application is not contrary to

[1:17:31] Voice 6: the Island's Trust Policy Statement. Read

[1:17:34] Voice 6: the draft bylaw a first time. Request staff to forward

[1:17:37] Voice 6: the draft bylaw to First Nations Advisory Planning Committee, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee

[1:17:43] Voice 6: and other applicable agencies.

[1:17:44] Voice 6: And finally, staff recommends that the LTC request

[1:17:48] Voice 6: start to schedule a community information meeting

[1:17:51] Voice 6: prior to the meeting at which the proposed by-law

[1:17:53] Voice 6: is anticipated to be presented to the LTC for second reading.

[1:17:57] Voice 6: The LTC may choose to request further information

[1:18:00] Voice 6: today in the application or receive more information.

[1:18:03] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:18:05] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:18:06] Voice 4: And that will get with us today.

[1:18:10] Voice 4: Anything to add?

[1:18:15] Nope.

[1:18:16] Voice 4: okay so any questions with planner or the act

[1:18:18] Voice 4: yes

[1:18:24] Voice 5: i i just have a sort of a general question that

[1:18:30] Voice 5: totally possible the staff don't know the answer but i'm noticing a number of these

[1:18:33] Voice 5: expiration

[1:18:34] Voice 6: of land use uh contract by the outside uh the last one while i'm

[1:18:41] Voice 6: pretty sensitive um having properties we only have two but then do we know if that's going to

[1:18:49] Voice 6: be the extent of this yeah that's

[1:18:51] Voice 6: great that's our work okay

[1:18:53] Voice 9: okay video i was just i hadn't

[1:18:55] Voice 9: actually dealt with that question so i wasn't sure at all

[1:18:57] Voice 6: whether we'd be seeing like or or

[1:19:00] Voice 6: this is wrapping it up and right from us

[1:19:10] Voice 4: oh

[1:19:10] Voice 5: okay okay for salt spring okay yeah i know that's good to know i'm good it struck me instead

[1:19:17] Voice 5: So the reading is like a lot

[1:19:19] Voice 9: of these coming down the back or not.

[1:19:21] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:19:21] Voice 9: So we do have some recommendations before us this moment to make the first

[1:19:24] Voice 9: recommendation.

[1:19:25] Voice 8: Sure.

[1:19:26] Voice 8: And with the Salt Spring Island Land Trust Committee has reviewed Island's

[1:19:29] Voice 8: Trust Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist and Determining the

[1:19:32] Voice 8: Draft Bylaw No. 552 cited the Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No.

[1:19:40] Voice 8: 355-1999 Amendment No. 1-2026 is not contrary to or in variance with the

[1:19:46] Voice 8: island's trust policy statement

[1:19:47] Voice 4: moved seconded by trustee harris any discussion

[1:19:54] Voice 6: not seeing any

[1:19:56] Voice 6: i'll call the question all those in favor that carries second recommendation i

[1:20:01] Voice 8: know that salt

[1:20:02] Voice 8: spring island local trust committee draft bylaw number 552 cited as salt spring island land use

[1:20:07] Voice 8: bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number one 2026 we read a first time

[1:20:14] Voice 6: moved seconded by trustee harris any discussion call the question all those in favor that carries

[1:20:22] Voice 8: i move that salt spring island local trust committee request staff refer the draft amendment

[1:20:26] Voice 8: bylaw and other information to first nations the advisory planning commission the agricultural

[1:20:31] Voice 8: advisory planning commission and other applicable agencies to seek comment on the proposal to amend

[1:20:36] Voice 8: Men's Salt Spring Island land use by-law number 355, 1999.

[1:20:41] Voice 6: Moved.

[1:20:42] Voice 6: Seconded.

[1:20:44] Voice 6: And- Discussion.

[1:20:45] Voice 6: Oh, discussion, go ahead.

[1:20:46] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:20:47] Voice 6: Again, similar to what we talked about a couple motions ago

[1:20:51] Voice 6: or a couple of applications ago,

[1:20:54] Voice 6: given what we just passed in recommendation one and two,

[1:20:59] Voice 6: I really see these, you know, these number three

[1:21:03] Voice 6: and this type of recommendation as redundant

[1:21:05] Voice 6: it and been a waste of time for everybody tax dollars uh community time uh you know this place

[1:21:13] Voice 6: has been there for a heck of a long time it's not going to be of any consequence to uh to anybody

[1:21:18] Voice 6: and not doing any harm we just passed recommendation one and and two so uh with that

[1:21:24] Voice 6: i'm opposed to which forwards to first nations and the advisory planning commission and the aapc

[1:21:35] Voice 6: I look

[1:21:36] Voice 8: forward to the time that we have relationships with First Nations that we have the confidence

[1:21:45] Voice 8: that we know what they're

[1:21:46] Voice 7: interested in and what they're

[1:21:47] Voice 8: not interested in and we don't

[1:21:49] Voice 7: have this we're not there yet but that's where we need to get to as a body for maturity and

[1:21:56] Voice 7: And so,

[1:21:57] Voice 6: right now, this is the process we have to follow. Consistency and process are our friends.

[1:22:05] Voice 6: This isn't a process that we have to follow, to use a quote.

[1:22:12] Voice 6: So what's going to come of this? If somebody says, well, first they should say, well, we don't like this.

[1:22:17] Voice 6: Are we going to not go through with this? Again, this building has been there a long time.

[1:22:21] Voice 6: the applicant is a long-standing very important member of the community and this type of

[1:22:29] Voice 6: prolonging of things is again like I said the other applications has been plaguing

[1:22:36] Voice 6: the island and the community really there's no need for number three we don't have to do it

[1:22:43] Voice 6: it's in the purview of our power as trustees that were elected to make these decisions and I'm more

[1:22:49] Voice 6: than prepared to make decisions for this community uh if others aren't that's uh

[1:22:56] Voice 6: thank you all right anything further on the motion

[1:23:02] Voice 6: noting

[1:23:03] Voice 8: that this is a

[1:23:04] Voice 6: rezoning it requires a sterile approval steering approval is looking

[1:23:09] Voice 6: for the record of engagement point i disagree with that it's in the purview of our power to

[1:23:20] Voice 6: newness and this again this has been building this property and stuff is going on and that

[1:23:25] Voice 6: control for a long time and we're not going to change it we just passed the recommendation one

[1:23:29] Voice 6: two and to you know somehow say that the gap that referrals with first nations to decide this to me

[1:23:36] Voice 6: is is quite wrong and not the right way to be going for our community thank you also noted um

[1:23:43] Voice 5: i will note that if the desire is to uh not delay the application to proceed and it goes to the

[1:23:51] Voice 5: minister and the minister asks for record record of engagement that does

[1:23:56] Voice 6: not exist that will

[1:23:57] Voice 6: prolong the process um quite a bit more so just note that and i look for any further discussion

[1:24:04] Voice 6: on this motion not asking so i will call the question all those in favor and any opposed

[1:24:12] Voice 6: and the motion is carried I'll have my opposition to it thank you I

[1:24:17] Voice 8: move that the Salisbury Island

[1:24:18] Voice 8: local trust committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting prior to the meeting

[1:24:22] Voice 8: at which the proposed bylaws are

[1:24:24] Voice 6: anticipated to be provided for second

[1:24:30] Voice 5: seconded by trustee Harris

[1:24:33] Voice 9: any discussion not seeing any I'll call the question all in favor

[1:24:38] Voice 9: That carries.

[1:24:42] Voice 6: Okay, next we have Wheeler page 175 and this is resuming again over to Plana

[1:24:58] Voice 6: Grua.

[1:24:59] Voice 7: Thank you Mr. Chair.

[1:25:00] Voice 6: This application is for Southern Prophecy, looking for the 1-21

[1:25:04] Voice 6: opportunities group. The applicant has submitted an application to the Southern Prophecy in

[1:25:09] Voice 6: order to develop traditional units of commercial guest accommodation in accordance with the largest

[1:25:14] Voice 6: bylaw the certain property is currently zoned commercial accommodation one variant f which

[1:25:20] Voice 6: permits not more than 25 units of commercial guest application in order to have more additional

[1:25:26] Voice 6: units applicants has therefore submitted to new application staff carried out the preliminary

[1:25:31] Voice 6: analysis of the application in addition to the language by the regulation applicable official

[1:25:35] Voice 6: community plan and the island's trust policy statement policies and also that the LTC requests

[1:25:41] Voice 6: staff to proceed with processing the application as staff has at this time not noticed any inconsistency

[1:25:47] Voice 6: with the relevant policies as the application is proposed. Staff also recommends that the LTC

[1:25:53] Voice 6: request staff to draft a draft by-law for the application to the advisory planning committee,

[1:25:59] Voice 6: agricultural advisory planning committee of stations and relevant people agencies and also to

[1:26:05] Voice 6: schedule a community information meeting prior to the meeting at which the draft silo will be

[1:26:10] Voice 6: presented post reading to the local trust committee

[1:26:12] Voice 7: alternatively they also see the

[1:26:15] Voice 7: request for other information or deny the application thank you thank

[1:26:20] Voice 9: you we have a

[1:26:22] Voice 9: representative for the application here today hey

[1:26:25] Voice 6: that's me did you have anything you wanted to add

[1:26:29] Voice 6: uh no i'm just here to respond to any uh questions you have any i'm the architect

[1:26:33] Voice 6: tech for setting the owner. Thanks, Pat. Okay.

[1:26:37] Voice 6: So just questions,

[1:26:39] Voice 4: comments, just about I

[1:26:43] Voice 6: just want to

[1:26:43] Voice 6: understand the back. Is this

[1:26:46] Voice 7: for 20 more units for 1320? So this

[1:26:51] Voice 7: is for the 2076 being said, I

[1:27:04] Voice 8: guess my other question, I guess

[1:27:06] Voice 8: that that would come through the referral process in regards to

[1:27:09] Voice 8: The report mentions that the rezoning is just it's not it's not seeking to increase density or

[1:27:21] Voice 7: intensity on

[1:27:22] Voice 6: so I guess that the water, the girls are

[1:27:30] Voice 6: water it

[1:27:43] Voice 18: helps yeah we would just

[1:27:45] Voice 6: clarify we put them yeah the referrals list that.

[1:27:51] Voice 6: it's all okay clarity here hey trustees any further questions are ready to proceed with the

[1:28:04] Voice 6: recommendations today well looking forward to feedback from advisory planning commission others

[1:28:11] Voice 6: and

[1:28:11] Voice 7: um on this one certainly recommendations

[1:28:24] Voice 6: first recommendation i

[1:28:29] Voice 8: move that's all to be

[1:28:30] Voice 8: trust the request staff to proceed with processing application plr z two zero two five zero one seven

[1:28:37] Voice 8: seven move

[1:28:39] Voice 6: second by trustee harris uh in the further discussion not seeing any i'll call the

[1:28:45] Voice 6: question all in favor curious i

[1:28:51] Voice 8: move the salt spring island the local trust committee requests

[1:28:54] Voice 8: staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend salt spring island the land use file number 355

[1:29:01] Voice 8: by 1999 to rezone lot one, section three, range three,

[1:29:06] Voice 8: East North Salt Spring Island Cowichan District Plan 11914

[1:29:12] Voice 8: except parts in plans VIP 56622 and VIP 59981

[1:29:21] Voice 8: from the CA1EP zone to permit a maximum of 75,000

[1:29:32] Voice 8: for commercial guest accommodation units so

[1:29:36] Voice 6: moved seconder trustee garris any discussion

[1:29:43] Voice 6: see any i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries i asked a question on referring

[1:29:51] Voice 6: uh for the referral list

[1:29:52] Voice 8: of referral agencies is it just going to the crd in this case the lcc has

[1:30:00] Voice 8: development service is a project such

[1:30:05] Voice 7: as this relevant to bring to their attention

[1:30:11] Voice 6: possibly um that's

[1:30:14] Voice 18: that's certainly something that you know you'll notice that it's put in

[1:30:19] Voice 18: lcc lately but don't recently be putting commissions in like yeah so um it's it's

[1:30:27] I think it's worth, I think it's a need for us to work with CRE to get a better understanding

[1:30:32] of the potential deferred parties and explicitly direct

[1:30:38] Voice 6: where we're looking for comment from,

[1:30:40] Voice 6: whether CRE's policies allow that or not, I don't have that clarity.

[1:30:46] Voice 6: So there's a bit of a corporate to corporate conversation we had there, but if LTC wishes

[1:30:51] Voice 6: to add referees. Logistics aside, it's not an additional burden. We do kind of

[1:31:00] Voice 6: coordinate that. Are they just going to say, well, whatever. It's gone to the

[1:31:08] Voice 6: referrals address. We've certainly seen general give-and-take. We've seen the

[1:31:14] Voice 6: referrals and other coming back. They'd be incredible. I don't have a lot of

[1:31:20] Voice 6: clarity of process once it's our office right under that direction

[1:31:27] Voice 6: i just know in the referral section that lcc is nobody is noted separately so

[1:31:34] Voice 6: okay i

[1:31:36] Voice 8: move that the salt spring on local trust committee requests staff to refer the draft

[1:31:40] Voice 8: amendment by law for file elr z20250177 another information the first nations advisory planning

[1:31:50] Voice 8: Planning Commission, Agricultural Advisory Planning

[1:31:52] Voice 8: Commission, and other applicable agencies

[1:31:54] Voice 8: to seek comment on the proposal to amend Salt Spring Island

[1:31:58] Voice 8: land use bylaw number 355-1999.

[1:32:02] Voice 6: Second the motion.

[1:32:04] Voice 6: Any discussion?

[1:32:06] Voice 6: Trustee Harris.

[1:32:07] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[1:32:09] Voice 6: For the same reason I've been opposed to the recommendation

[1:32:13] Voice 6: 3 and the last couple of applications opposed to this,

[1:32:22] Voice 6: certainly we have to approve this.

[1:32:28] Voice 6: okay anything further if you're not seeing any i'll call the question all the way in favor

[1:32:36] Voice 6: opposed carries i'll go to my position please i

[1:32:41] Voice 8: move that the salisbury island local trust

[1:32:43] Voice 8: committee press staff to schedule a community information meeting at least two weeks prior

[1:32:46] Voice 8: to the meeting at which the draft bylaw war file dlr z20250177 it's anticipated to be provided to

[1:32:55] Voice 8: lcc for first reading

[1:33:00] Voice 6: seconded by trustee harris uh any further discussions i've seen any i'll

[1:33:06] Voice 6: call the question in favor and that carries thank you thank you sir so next we have page 190 uh

[1:33:24] Voice 6: uh rezoning uh that's off-road and it's coming again from planet karuba

[1:33:29] Voice 6: thank you mr chair this protocol in december 11 2025 lcc regular meeting where staff was requested

[1:33:37] Voice 6: to proceed with processing the application received for one to any month so i mean the

[1:33:43] Voice 6: salt spring island that is vital to permit two full-time buildings and reduced front

[1:33:47] Voice 6: front line setback for illegal non-conforming building in the rural zone. Staff Procedurers

[1:33:54] Voice 6: requested and prepared a draft bylaw and recommends that ELTC request to proceed with public

[1:34:00] Voice 6: notification as per section 467 of the Local Government Act and also request that staff

[1:34:06] Voice 6: notify and seek input from the Proceduration Advisory Planning Committee and other applicable

[1:34:11] Voice 6: agencies that an application has been received to amend the Salisbury Legislative Bylaw.

[1:34:16] Voice 6: alternatively they also submit

[1:34:18] Voice 6: just a request for whatever information

[1:34:19] Voice 6: deny the application or receive

[1:34:21] Voice 6: information. Thank you.

[1:34:24] Voice 9: Thank you and I see the applicant has

[1:34:26] Voice 9: joined us online. Just

[1:34:28] Voice 9: give me an opportunity to add anything if you'd

[1:34:30] Voice 9: like at this time otherwise I'll turn it over

[1:34:32] Voice 9: to trustee for questions.

[1:34:34] Voice 1: Thank you chair.

[1:34:37] Voice 1: Serena Claver planning consultant on

[1:34:38] Voice 1: behalf of the property owners. I don't

[1:34:40] Voice 1: have anything to add. I

[1:34:42] Voice 1: believe we're just moving through procedural

[1:34:44] Voice 1: legislative requirements

[1:34:46] Voice 1: it's um ultimately i'm just here to answer any questions or add anything if if there's anything

[1:34:52] Voice 1: you find that's missing but uh no i just wanted to be here to be present because the property

[1:34:57] Voice 1: owners aren't able to do so thank

[1:35:00] Voice 9: you appreciate that uh so trustees any questions for planner or

[1:35:06] Voice 6: no

[1:35:07] Voice 7: i remember this one quite

[1:35:09] Voice 6: well good to see you again serena thank

[1:35:12] Voice 1: you you too

[1:35:17] Voice 6: we do have uh resolutions here sure

[1:35:21] Voice 8: i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[1:35:23] Voice 8: request staff proceed with public notification as per section 467 of the local government act

[1:35:30] Voice 4: moved seconded by trustee harris any discussion

[1:35:33] Voice 4: i'm seeing anything i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:35:38] Voice 4: carries

[1:35:39] Voice 8: the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to notify and seek

[1:35:43] Voice 8: input from the Salt Spring Island Advisory Funding Commission, political agencies, and

[1:35:48] Voice 8: the First Nations that an application has been received to amend the Salt Spring Island

[1:35:53] Voice 8: Land Use By-law number 355-1999.

[1:35:58] Voice 6: I'll second that.

[1:35:59] Voice 6: In discussion, Trustee Harris.

[1:36:02] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:36:03] Voice 6: The language that I see here is very concerning.

[1:36:06] Voice 6: When I take into account what we've been hearing from the province and from the Islands Trust

[1:36:12] Voice 6: Council. When I hear

[1:36:14] Voice 6: the term stolen land

[1:36:16] Voice 6: and then I see referrals to First

[1:36:19] Voice 6: Nations, it's very alarming and I

[1:36:21] Voice 6: think it's a steep slope, a slippery

[1:36:23] Voice 6: slope that we're entering into

[1:36:25] Voice 6: and it's not

[1:36:27] Voice 6: something that I'm in favor

[1:36:29] Voice 6: of.

[1:36:31] Voice 6: Okay,

[1:36:34] Voice 5: anything further on the

[1:36:36] Voice 5: motion? Not seeing any,

[1:36:40] Voice 5: I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[1:36:43] Voice 18: Any opposed?

[1:36:44] Voice 5: And that motion

[1:36:46] Voice 6: carries.

[1:36:56] Voice 6: So, that brings us to page 194, which is Telecommunications

[1:37:13] Voice 9: Antenna, coming from Planner Hannafin here.

[1:37:20] Voice 6: And over to you, sir.

[1:37:23] Voice 10: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:37:24] Voice 10: This report considers a request from Cypress Land Services for extension of Rogers Communication Tower.

[1:37:32] Voice 10: The proponent is asking for an exemption from the public consultation requirements for extension of the existing antenna from 37 meters to 55 meters on a property with the area of 16.84 hectares, zoned rural upland 1, variant D, RU1D, located in the south end of the South Spring Island.

[1:38:00] Voice 10: The proposal does not meet ICE exemption criteria as the height extension is beyond 25%.

[1:38:06] Voice 10: However, based on Sections 6.3, Section 9.3, and Section 9.5 of our Antenna System Sighting and Consultation Protocol,

[1:38:19] Voice 10: local trust committee may exclude from all or part of the consultation process

[1:38:24] Voice 10: as the proposal is located outside the preferred distance from the LAT lines.

[1:38:30] Voice 10: is separated from residential area or heritage areas and is buffered by

[1:38:36] Voice 10: substantial tree covers and is consistent with the OCP policies.

[1:38:41] Voice 10: Staff recommends wavering of the public consultation as the proposed tower extension

[1:38:46] Voice 10: is consistent with the OCP policies and land use designation, meets or exceeds

[1:38:52] Voice 10: preferred setback guidelines, is located away from residential and heritage areas,

[1:38:58] Voice 10: It is screened by existing vegetation and represents an upgrade to an existing infrastructure

[1:39:05] Voice 10: rather than a new installation.

[1:39:09] Voice 10: Thank you, trustees.

[1:39:12] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:39:13] Voice 9: Is the proponent with us online today, too?

[1:39:17] Voice 10: I think Kat is here with us, yeah.

[1:39:19] Voice 9: Anything to add today, sir?

[1:39:21] Voice 15: Can you folks hear me?

[1:39:23] Voice 9: Yes, we can.

[1:39:24] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:39:26] Voice 15: Can I make a few comments about it?

[1:39:29] Voice 9: Sure, yeah.

[1:39:30] Voice 9: it's uh just getting a little bit of interference there so uh yeah sometimes

[1:39:34] Voice 9: if you turn your video

[1:39:36] Voice 9: off the audio will get better try that it's getting a little crunchy okay

[1:39:41] Voice 15: is that any better

[1:39:42] Voice 15: at all

[1:39:43] Voice 9: that's a little better go ahead okay

[1:39:45] Voice 15: yeah thanks i

[1:39:46] Voice 15: think staff did a good job summarizing

[1:39:48] Voice 15: what we're proposing here so this uh this is an

[1:39:51] Voice 15: existing tower there's about 10 towers up on

[1:39:54] Voice 15: Mount Bruce right now. So it's adjacent

[1:39:56] Voice 2: to a bunch of

[1:39:57] Voice 15: other towers. The context here is that Rogers

[1:40:01] Voice 15: is losing a tower on the south end of the island on Mount Tuam and it's near a Navigation Canada

[1:40:11] Voice 15: site and so this tower will be replacing the service, a lot of the service that that tower

[1:40:17] Voice 15: provides on the south end of the island but it'll also

[1:40:21] Voice 15: enhance services Mid

[1:40:22] Voice 15: Island as well so they are losing

[1:40:26] Voice 15: that tower in August so we're trying to

[1:40:31] Voice 15: expedite the process as much as possible still staying within LTS policies but

[1:40:39] Voice 15: they need time obviously to build the extension to the tower and commission

[1:40:44] Voice 15: all the equipment and whatnot. So we're looking for an exemption from the consultation process,

[1:40:51] Voice 15: but we'll still make the application to LTC as well. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

[1:41:00] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:41:01] Voice 6: Thank you for that. Justices, any questions for the better or the opponent today? Justice

[1:41:09] Voice 6: Patrick.

[1:41:10] Voice 8: My only question would be, I do know, you know, first nations tops are of concern

[1:41:16] Voice 8: generally is there is there an opportunity that you could at least be

[1:41:21] Voice 8: giving notice yep they're not caught off guard when they see yeah yeah we can

[1:41:35] Voice 15: provide notice of course the First Nation yeah I think most I guess most of

[1:41:41] Voice 15: it was to do with archaeological assessments and whatnot but there's no excavation with the with

[1:41:50] Voice 15: this the existing foundation is going to be used for the tower extension so but yes

[1:41:55] Voice 15: to answer it

[1:41:56] Voice 15: quickly yes we can provide notice to the presentation of the project and proposal yeah

[1:42:03] Voice 8: i think that would be my only concern is that if you could give you know i think just okay we're

[1:42:07] Voice 8: just saying that there is no foundational work and then i think that would be beneficial just

[1:42:12] Voice 8: so that if it's seen being done, then it's not a surprise.

[1:42:17] Voice 15: Okay, certainly.

[1:42:19] Voice 10: Adding to that, we already shared the contacts for the First Nations

[1:42:25] Voice 10: with the interest on the property and the area.

[1:42:29] Voice 10: And I believe it's part of the process for the CELA applications

[1:42:37] Voice 10: to send the information to the related First Nations.

[1:42:40] Voice 10: yeah so

[1:42:44] Voice 6: but do we need a motion if

[1:42:49] Voice 9: i'm carrying you correct uh here this is in terms of um

[1:42:57] Voice 9: industry science and economic development canada's process to send notification to the first station

[1:43:05] Voice 9: that's what you're speaking to so that yeah because i know that is part of their process

[1:43:10] Voice 9: it's a little different than our process but they

[1:43:12] Voice 7: will do that yeah

[1:43:15] Voice 7: okay so we any

[1:43:21] Voice 6: further questions

[1:43:23] Voice 6: or discussion uh we do have a recommendation in front of us

[1:43:29] Voice 8: i'll move that the salt spring

[1:43:31] Voice 8: island local trust committee waived the public consultation requirement for the proposed

[1:43:35] Voice 8: extension of the existing telecommunications antenna in accordance with the salt spring

[1:43:40] Voice 8: Spring Island Attended System siting and consultation.

[1:43:45] Voice 8: I

[1:43:46] Voice 7: can't speak today, consultation.

[1:43:50] Voice 6: No, seconded by Trustee Harris.

[1:43:53] Voice 6: Thank you Trustee.

[1:43:55] Voice 6: Any discussion?

[1:44:01] Voice 5: Seeing any, I will call the question.

[1:44:04] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[1:44:07] Voice 6: Any opposed?

[1:44:08] Voice 6: That carries.

[1:44:10] Voice 6: Mr. Chair?

[1:44:12] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:44:12] Voice 6: I would note that Ms. Fitzsalen for

[1:44:15] Voice 18: item 14.2

[1:44:17] Voice 18: is here just in time for us to move past item

[1:44:22] Voice 6: section 14 of this agenda so fantastic

[1:44:25] Voice 3: appreciate that

[1:44:30] Voice 6: you could get here so promptly and fortuitously in the perfect timing so

[1:44:37] Voice 6: let us

[1:44:38] Voice 5: go back then

[1:44:39] Voice 6: to item 14.2

[1:44:46] Voice 6: uh starting on page 60 and um this is over to planner fatino to introduce please

[1:44:56] Voice 6: thank

[1:44:59] Voice 11: you char peterson this application is in regards to 230 smith road and they've submitted

[1:45:05] Voice 11: an application for rezoning um the application as submitted would amend the salt spring island

[1:45:12] Voice 11: land use bylaw 355 1999 by including a land use definition of non-profit retreat center

[1:45:19] Voice 11: in the land use bylaw and would also amend the land use bylaw to farm and retreat center use on

[1:45:26] Voice 11: proposed lot one the applicant is also seeking to allow first nations cultural activities on

[1:45:32] Voice 11: proposed lot two and reduce subdivision potential on proposed lot one three and four the proposed

[1:45:37] Voice 11: The proposed rezoning application corresponds with the subdivision application referral

[1:45:45] Voice 11: number PLSUB20260108, which was recently received by the Ministry of Transportation and Transit.

[1:45:51] Voice 11: That proposal is figure two in the report.

[1:45:55] Voice 11: Staff recommends that the LTC request staff to proceed to prepare the requested bylaws

[1:46:00] Voice 11: that reflect the subdivision application submitted to Ministry of Transportation for a textual

[1:46:06] Voice 11: amendment and rezone the subject property as identified in Table 2 below in the report.

[1:46:15] Voice 11: I'd also like to note that there were a few mistakes in the staff report. As I mentioned

[1:46:22] Voice 11: just now, the subdivision potential removal would be on lots 1, 2, and 4. Your copy says lot 3,

[1:46:32] Voice 11: but it should read lots one two and four and the applicant wants to make it clear that this will

[1:46:39] Voice 11: be a non-profit retreat center we've noted as it noted it as a just a retreat center in the

[1:46:46] Voice 11: staff report because that's what we have as precedent in the land use bylaw but with the

[1:46:52] Voice 11: creation of the definition for a non-profit retreat center that's what we would see in a

[1:46:58] Voice 11: a potential rezoning variant.

[1:47:05] Voice 6: All right,

[1:47:09] Voice 9: would you like to add anything?

[1:47:10] Voice 9: I appreciate that you sent along an amended version

[1:47:16] Voice 3: there

[1:47:16] Voice 9: for us to look at, so that's helpful.

[1:47:18] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, in the staff report,

[1:47:20] Voice 3: the attachment or appendix nine is the application

[1:47:26] Voice 3: that we submitted.

[1:47:29] Voice 3: So it's kind of very, I mean, down in the instance,

[1:47:34] Voice 3: is that that has all the technical information in terms of the division for um the application um

[1:47:41] Voice 3: and then and then we did submit that that written correction to the staff report information and

[1:47:47] Voice 3: thanks anthony for mentioning it now um i guess what i'd like to emphasize that um you know that

[1:47:54] Voice 3: is in the original application and also the corrections we sent this week um is that this

[1:47:59] Voice 3: really is um you know this is a large um piece of property um that's quite beautiful quite special

[1:48:06] Voice 3: um biologically it's special to first nations um special in the settler history of the island

[1:48:13] Voice 3: on straight farm um and the the owner really is looking to protect all of those aspects um of the

[1:48:21] Voice 3: property and his application is ultimately when you look at all four parcels the down zoning so

[1:48:26] Voice 3: So it's removing development capacity so that you can no longer subdivide the forest lot.

[1:48:33] Voice 3: And so there's very limited development capacity on the moving lots.

[1:48:37] Voice 3: And then, as

[1:48:38] Voice 3: Anthony noted, the large shift here is asking the trust to consider a non-profit retreat center on a farm parcel.

[1:48:48] Voice 3: And that's really, that's not an enterprise. It's not tourist accommodation.

[1:48:53] Voice 3: It's really a healing and arts retreat that would be done by scholarships, small scale

[1:49:00] Voice 3: cohorts in the high season and so that's the only real big change along with the retreat

[1:49:09] Voice 3: center would be staff related seasonal housing and so that's also all spelled out in our

[1:49:16] Voice 3: application and yeah we've had a transportation review of this.

[1:49:21] Voice 3: we've done lots of biological work that's been done um tara martin ryan ethan a whole bunch of

[1:49:26] Voice 3: different um folks who are well connected to island um have been involved in this there's

[1:49:32] Voice 3: been early consultation with some of the first nations and relationships we've built there

[1:49:37] Voice 3: um that we're really looking to honor um as we're moving forward and so i

[1:49:42] Voice 1: guess my big request today

[1:49:43] Voice 3: i know you're you have those recommendations in front of

[1:49:45] Voice 3: you i hope those are approved so

[1:49:47] Voice 3: the application for it we'd also like to request that the corrections that we requested are made

[1:49:53] Voice 3: before it's sent out to referral i think it's really important for the relationships that have

[1:49:57] Voice 3: been built with the neighbors and with the first nations to to ensure that um you know the technical

[1:50:03] Voice 3: pieces in terms of which parcels are asking for changes to and what um as well as um as well as

[1:50:11] Voice 3: just um framing framing of the raw application is in the same spirit in which there's been engagement

[1:50:17] Voice 3: done with those nations so we just want that to be clear before it goes out and we'd be happy to

[1:50:22] Voice 3: work with trust staff on on any you know just making sure that all of our information aligns

[1:50:27] Voice 3: um before it goes there so i think those are are the big pieces of it i know that the um there is

[1:50:33] Voice 3: some discussion just by email and i look forward to having more discussion about the first issues

[1:50:37] Voice 3: culturally you said this has come from um the conversations the early conversations i've had with

[1:50:43] Voice 3: nations um and so um i think that that would be interesting to see what comes back on referrals

[1:50:49] Voice 3: so i think nice if that isn't removed

[1:50:51] Voice 3: um although i know that there's some policy stuff at the trust

[1:50:55] Voice 3: i'm not aware of around that being included in the application but um really like we're looking

[1:51:01] Voice 3: at is of course that right now is under a manager of enforcement managed forest um designation um

[1:51:08] Voice 3: on a rural property has beautiful old growth.

[1:51:11] Voice 3: It's going to give them the opportunity to see.

[1:51:15] Voice 3: And what's being proposed here is for that to be taken out

[1:51:20] Voice 3: of the potential to be cleared and logged.

[1:51:23] Voice 3: But for First Nation uses related to the forest,

[1:51:26] Voice 3: as well as just good management from the property owner

[1:51:29] Voice 3: for safety and welfare, et cetera, is to be allowed.

[1:51:33] Voice 3: And the cultural use case came from the First Nation,

[1:51:36] Voice 3: So it's a little, it feels we'd rather not take it out since that was in discussion with

[1:51:41] Voice 3: how we'd rather go into referral and see what comes back and the nations on that.

[1:51:44] Voice 3: And that was,

[1:51:45] Voice 3: that was kind of came out of an alternative to having a conservation covenant,

[1:51:50] Voice 3: which the nations that we were able to speak with felt was too restrictive to their cultural uses

[1:51:55] Voice 3: and didn't want to see it work. So that's also just a comment there. I know that's not what

[1:52:00] Voice 3: your notions are about today, but just kind of some context here at the onset.

[1:52:04] Voice 3: that thank

[1:52:06] Voice 6: you um trustees any questions for the planner or stage sure

[1:52:13] Voice 8: i mean i think we all

[1:52:17] Voice 8: were nervous when this property was for sale years ago as to what it could have become due to this

[1:52:25] Voice 8: 1971 vintage zoning that exists um and the potential that could have happened

[1:52:31] Voice 8: and it really could have changed that side of the island.

[1:52:36] Voice 8: So I'm so glad to see an owner that has taken the time and effort

[1:52:41] Voice 6: to really think about this land and bring forth an

[1:52:46] Voice 7: innovative proposal.

[1:52:51] Voice 8: I support bringing in a non-profit definition.

[1:52:55] Voice 8: When I toured

[1:52:59] Voice 1: the property, that was my question.

[1:53:00] Voice 8: what if something happens to this person

[1:53:02] Voice 8: and this property is sold into the future

[1:53:04] Voice 8: what could

[1:53:06] Voice 8: prevent it from becoming a hotel

[1:53:08] Voice 7: instead

[1:53:09] Voice 8: of a fancy

[1:53:10] Voice 8: resort instead of a non-profit resort

[1:53:12] Voice 6: so I think bringing in a non-profit

[1:53:14] Voice 8: definition is a

[1:53:15] Voice 6: good way

[1:53:16] Voice 6: of keeping that

[1:53:18] Voice 6: home set

[1:53:20] Voice 8: it's not about resort development on that

[1:53:22] Voice 8: side of the island

[1:53:25] Voice 8: the other

[1:53:26] Voice 8: I am intrigued and interested

[1:53:28] Voice 8: in the approach

[1:53:30] Voice 8: for First Nations and zoning.

[1:53:32] Voice 8: I think we are in an interesting place in time

[1:53:35] Voice 8: and exploring options with First Nations

[1:53:39] Voice 8: as to what will work.

[1:53:41] Voice 8: And so I've been looking forward to this one

[1:53:45] Voice 8: and want to hear the conversation

[1:53:46] Voice 8: with First Nations on this approach.

[1:53:49] Voice 8: Because there's always someone has to go first

[1:53:52] Voice 8: and it brings something else to the table

[1:53:55] Voice 8: that we could be considering

[1:53:58] Voice 6: as we go forward. So I'm intrigued and I really look forward to having that feedback. I think

[1:54:11] Voice 6: that's a very interesting approach.

[1:54:17] Voice 6: Some more of a procedural question. In terms of the second recommendation, changing zoning

[1:54:26] Voice 6: zoning to the identified in table two,

[1:54:28] Voice 6: how would we best approach,

[1:54:33] Voice 6: making the corrections identified by the application

[1:54:35] Voice 6: when we get into that motion, just any staff advice,

[1:54:39] Voice 6: would we, could we go and should we go and correct the table

[1:54:43] Voice 6: and

[1:54:44] Voice 5: then come

[1:54:46] Voice 4: back into the motion and say,

[1:54:48] Voice 4: that the table has amended or something?

[1:54:52] Voice 4: Just a little bit of advice on the procedural.

[1:54:55] Voice 4: through

[1:55:04] Voice 18: the

[1:55:10] Voice 11: chair i think that we had or i had uh done it this way because the

[1:55:17] Voice 11: the the recommended resolution would have been very cumbersome and long um i think that

[1:55:26] Voice 11: there's there's still you know time as this is the preliminary report to massage

[1:55:32] Voice 11: massage um what these these uh variations are going to be in each one of the the four lots

[1:55:41] Voice 11: so i'm i'm not sure how we we do this procedurally um but i have seen previously in reports that

[1:55:50] Voice 11: refer to um something in the report um but they do they do um say something along the lines of as

[1:56:01] Voice 11: as noted in attachment X in report dated,

[1:56:05] Voice 11: and then you would have today's date.

[1:56:07] Voice 11: But I'm not sure if we want to go with a resolution

[1:56:11] Voice 11: that has a paragraph of,

[1:56:16] Voice 11: actually two paragraphs of text in it.

[1:56:20] Voice 11: Because this is a unique rezoning application

[1:56:26] Voice 11: because of the corresponding subdivision application.

[1:56:32] Voice 11: I would maybe pass it on to Regional Manager Hutton to see what his potential recommendation would be on wording.

[1:56:46] Voice 18: Yeah, I think it's just Mr.

[1:56:49] Voice 6: Jethro can work with the applicant to come up with this issue.

[1:57:03] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:57:04] Voice 9: I just wanted to, to be sure that we're not creating a

[1:57:09] Voice 9: difficulty down the road.

[1:57:13] Voice 9: What if we just threw like in,

[1:57:15] Voice 6: like, the word revised, let's see, yeah, just as a reminder.

[1:57:28] Voice 6: Or maybe

[1:57:29] Voice 11: even use the term draft table.

[1:57:33] Voice 9: Pardon me, I heard two things at once there.

[1:57:37] Voice 9: Connor Patino?

[1:57:38] Voice 11: Oh, through the chair.

[1:57:39] Voice 11: I was just saying maybe we can use the, we can just say draft table.

[1:57:44] Voice 11: So we're not locking ourselves into.

[1:57:46] Voice 11: Okay,

[1:57:47] Voice 6: let's just say draft.

[1:57:48] Voice 6: Then if staff, I think that's reasonable.

[1:57:52] Voice 6: Let's just throw draft.

[1:57:53] Voice 6: Or table two.

[1:57:55] Voice 5: um okay that was my own abriel question i did have the opportunity to uh to walk

[1:58:02] Voice 6: the property and

[1:58:03] Voice 6: and look at the early preliminary proposal i guess from around june of last year

[1:58:10] Voice 6: roughly so um have some familiarity uh there um um so anything further trustees or should we get

[1:58:21] Voice 6: into the recommendations here process

[1:58:25] Voice 8: to meet them i i moved that salt spring island local

[1:58:31] Voice 8: trust committee request staff to proceed with processing application plr z20250331

[1:58:39] Voice 7: moved

[1:58:40] Voice 6: second uh any discussion not seeing any alcohol question all those in favor

[1:58:48] Voice 6: that carries it i'll go ahead and take a stab at number two there with my draft piece

[1:58:52] Voice 9: uh so i

[1:58:54] Voice 9: moved that salt spring island local trust link request staff fair draft by-law to amend salt

[1:58:58] Voice 9: spring island land use by-law number 355 1999 to zone properties identified in table one of

[1:59:05] Voice 9: this report from the current zoning identified in table one to the proposed zoning identified

[1:59:10] Voice 9: in draft table two such that zone boundaries reflect the proposed subdivision application

[1:59:21] Voice 9: ELSUB 20260108, identified in proposed subdivision plan of lot 3, plan EPP

[1:59:27] Voice 5: 115059, remainder southwest, core section 48, parcel A,

[1:59:33] Voice 9: DD68167-I, and remainder

[1:59:39] Voice 6: fractional north, top section 46,

[1:59:43] Voice 6: all in the south salt spring island council district certified by jordan elliott lindke

[1:59:50] Voice 6: ucls 905 june 26 20 25 and second by

[2:00:00] Voice 6: trust patrick discussion yeah um so i'm very familiar with the property and the surrounding

[2:00:07] Voice 6: area um you know going back decades i've worked there and in that area and done some extensive

[2:00:15] Voice 6: logging in that area and been involved in logging old growth down there i i'm in favor of this um

[2:00:24] Voice 6: motion but i i question the

[2:00:26] Voice 15: the down zoning you know the owners clearly

[2:00:31] Voice 6: aren't going to do

[2:00:32] Voice 6: anything with it and i'm you know i just i i wondered to myself why why why down zone is

[2:00:38] Voice 6: that in order to appease make it look better to hopefully get the application through i'm in favor

[2:00:46] Voice 6: of development down there again down zoning to me and so you know for future use I don't think

[2:00:59] Voice 6: it's that I'm not a favor of that but it's interesting to hear local community members

[2:01:06] Voice 6: that are that weren't for the the conservation conference and I applaud that greatly I've spoken

[2:01:15] Voice 6: them with some from of those community members and uh i'm kind of glad to hear they voiced that

[2:01:21] Voice 6: um anyhow i'm i'm in favor of the uh motion all right further discussion i've seen any

[2:01:30] Voice 6: i'll call a question all in favor curious

[2:01:33] Voice 8: the salesman i don't know if the press committee

[2:01:36] Voice 8: request staff referred uh the draft amendment bylaw for file p l r z two zero two five zero three three

[2:01:54] Voice 8: profile p l r

[2:01:56] Voice 8: z two zero two five zero three three one and other information to first nations

[2:02:01] Voice 8: and other applicable agencies to seek comment on the proposal to event assault spring pilot

[2:02:07] Voice 8: of the land use file number 355 1999 before that second and the other information is that the staff

[2:02:14] Voice 8: report that strikes if we're going to

[2:02:15] Voice 7: deal with updating the staff report would we do that in a

[2:02:20] Voice 7: separate option

[2:02:21] Voice 6: or is that what the other information is pertaining to uh

[2:02:31] Voice 4: uh i

[2:02:32] Voice 11: think

[2:02:34] Voice 11: other information just uh when when i was writing this pertained to um the accompanying materials

[2:02:41] Voice 11: and any further materials that might be provided but if the LTC wishes I can

[2:02:50] Voice 11: include an updated staff report that changes the the things that we've spoken

[2:02:57] Voice 11: about today but you know for the substance of the report remains the same

[2:03:05] Voice 5: sounds like there's a desire to do that in a separate motion

[2:03:10] Voice 5: so uh further

[2:03:12] Voice 6: on the motion on the floor not seeing has it been read yes

[2:03:18] Voice 6: three yes yes okay um yeah for reasons i spoke about earlier i'm still reluctant

[2:03:29] Voice 6: about referrals especially in this instance where basically hasn't been a lot of communication

[2:03:34] Voice 6: communication already with folks that that this would have that would be interested in and I still

[2:03:44] Voice 6: think it's a slippery slope and I'm not in favor of the rules thank you yeah anything else yeah

[2:03:50] Voice 6: Mr. Chair I did one of those in recommendation number three here uh and I guess I would put it

[2:04:00] Voice 6: back up and see if it does seem like that's something there.

[2:04:05] Voice 18: Yeah. So

[2:04:07] Voice 6: I might ask LPC consider another motion.

[2:04:17] Voice 6: Happy to amend this motion. I

[2:04:20] Voice 8: move to amend the motion to

[2:04:22] Voice 8: include advisory planning commission. And again, we do the

[2:04:26] Voice 8: agricultural advisory

[2:04:31] Voice 7: at least the advisory

[2:04:33] Voice 7: planning commission okay

[2:04:37] Voice 4: uh i'll

[2:04:39] Voice 6: second the amendment discussion

[2:04:42] Voice 6: discussion um doesn't isn't that covered under applicable agencies

[2:04:46] Voice 6: i did not see that first i know that they're aps they're not considered agencies

[2:05:00] Voice 6: he's going to be there commission

[2:05:02] Voice 18: there's actually a

[2:05:03] Voice 6: commission the commission's

[2:05:04] Voice 6: creation by this this body so uh anything further on the amendment

[2:05:11] Voice 6: in case i'll call the question uh always in favor of the amendment any of those that curious

[2:05:21] Voice 5: back to the amended motion any further discussion

[2:05:25] Voice 6: i'm seeing any i'll call the question almost in

[2:05:29] Voice 6: favor of the amended motion. Opposed? That carries. All in favor? Opposition? Noted. Thank you.

[2:05:36] Voice 8: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a community

[2:05:40] Voice 8: information meeting. A community information meeting for bylaws. I was going to say,

[2:05:47] Voice 6: there's

[2:05:47] Voice 8: a word missing. For bylaw number

[2:05:49] Voice 8: 544,

[2:05:50] Voice 6: cited as Salt Spring Island Official Community

[2:05:52] Voice 8: Community Plan Bylaw No. 434-2008, Amendment No. 1-2002.

[2:06:01] Voice 4: Second discussion.

[2:06:04] Voice 4: Seeing any other questions,

[2:06:05] Voice 11: all of them.

[2:06:06] Voice 11: Do you

[2:06:07] Voice 4: mind if I go ahead?

[2:06:08] Voice 11: Sorry, I would suggest that we amend this resolution

[2:06:13] Voice 11: to be more consistent with the ones we've been using

[2:06:15] Voice 11: in the other rezoning applications that we've seen today,

[2:06:20] Voice 11: specifically mentioning

[2:06:22] Voice 11: the two weeks prior

[2:06:24] Voice 11: yeah so I have

[2:06:26] Voice 11: one written here if you'd like me to read it

[2:06:28] Voice 11: and

[2:06:28] Voice 9: can you screen share

[2:06:31] Voice 9: yeah

[2:06:32] Voice 11: I can screen share

[2:06:35] Voice 11: can everyone see it

[2:06:53] Voice 4: oh

[2:06:54] Voice 11: sorry is it very small

[2:06:55] Voice 11: it's quite small

[2:06:57] Voice 11: is that better

[2:06:59] Voice 8: keep going oh

[2:07:00] Voice 11: more okay it's it's close

[2:07:02] Voice 11: on mine there

[2:07:03] Voice 8: you go okay got it now yeah

[2:07:05] Voice 11: so number four

[2:07:06] Voice 11: i have crossed out and then the new one which essentially is is consistent with what we've

[2:07:10] Voice 11: been saying today uh with the

[2:07:12] Voice 11: the updated rezoning uh application number well

[2:07:16] Voice 8: it's just it's the same

[2:07:16] Voice 8: motion just with but oh no it's not um we've already seconded this one so let me move to

[2:07:23] Voice 8: withdraw you

[2:07:24] Voice 4: can still amend it second it's it's you know we can amend it we can amend it jury

[2:07:32] Voice 8: sure i move that we have been the motion want me to read the book to read uh let's start

[2:07:42] Voice 8: to read a community information meeting for at least two weeks prior to the meeting

[2:07:48] Voice 8: at which the draft bylaw file number is anticipated

[2:07:53] Voice 8: to be provided to ltc for first

[2:07:56] Voice 8: reading okay

[2:07:59] Voice 9: we'll just check in with the amazing principal art on that i've

[2:08:07] Voice 17: got that chair peterson

[2:08:08] Voice 9: great okay so on the amendment any discussion all those in favor and carries and on the amended

[2:08:19] Voice 9: the motion any further discussion jesse

[2:08:23] Voice 6: harris um i'm in favor of the motion this is one of the

[2:08:28] Voice 6: reasons i'm opposed to the referrals because everybody is a member of the community so

[2:08:38] Voice 6: you know i see referrals as being divisive and i think community information meetings is where

[2:08:43] Voice 6: everybody can come together and let's say their peace so with that i'm in favor anything further

[2:08:50] Voice 9: on the amended motion not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries

[2:08:58] Voice 7: motion looks like we're amending the report right

[2:09:05] Voice 6: i'm

[2:09:14] Voice 9: going to take a stab at it just for the heck

[2:09:16] Voice 9: of it uh so i know that the salton island local trust committee requests staff to amend the

[2:09:23] Voice 9: the

[2:09:24] Voice 6: draft the staff report for file PLRZ-2025-0331 prior to forwarding or referrals that capture

[2:09:44] Voice 6: the result to see which to that report prior to us referring it out for sorry you've made

[2:09:53] Voice 6: a motion uh so i'll let you um i think you need to discuss your point phillips yeah well

[2:10:01] Voice 6: before i second it as a check i'll see uh if that so the intent is to make sure that

[2:10:09] Voice 6: um you know the proponent has has pointed out some some amendments that would happen

[2:10:16] Voice 6: i believe the intent was to make sure that the amended report is what goes out for referral

[2:10:23] Voice 6: and then your question was whether the ltc wants to see that before it goes out for referral

[2:10:29] Voice 6: i don't feel we do

[2:10:31] Voice 18: uh

[2:10:32] Voice 6: as this i mean we did get a pretty

[2:10:36] Voice 5: comprehensive document back with i mean i

[2:10:38] Voice 5: think if the applicant is uh satisfied that the the items in that are covered all

[2:10:48] Voice 6: um then i think

[2:10:50] Voice 6: if staff just admits that report for sitting there for roles that's going to take that's

[2:10:56] Voice 6: yeah i

[2:10:57] Voice 8: i mean we're we're we're in new territory in many ways and i'm pleased that the applicant

[2:11:04] Voice 8: has taken the effort to engage with first nations and they are making commitments they're telling

[2:11:12] Voice 8: first nations what they're going to do so i understand it's it's the applicant being

[2:11:17] Voice 8: satisfied that the report reflects what they had tended to reflect.

[2:11:21] Voice 8: So I think in that case,

[2:11:23] Voice 8: that's what's important. It's the consistency of their building the relationship,

[2:11:29] Voice 8: or our relationship is built on it as well. So consistency,

[2:11:34] Voice 7: that's been said.

[2:11:40] Voice 6: And I'm sorry, I was, I was giving a quote aside from something else while we were discussing this.

[2:11:47] Voice 6: worries the core issue though is

[2:11:50] Voice 6: can i get a reminder the core issue

[2:11:59] Voice 9: is is yeah it's it's

[2:12:02] Voice 9: things like the um reduced subdivision potential um

[2:12:07] Voice 6: in the initial report identified uh lots

[2:12:11] Voice 6: incorrectly um i think that was one about the uh identifying a non-profit um retreat center

[2:12:23] Voice 9: and I know the planners and receipt of all of all yeah yeah

[2:12:28] Voice 11: yeah all those changes and uh

[2:12:29] Voice 11: to specifically mention the uh First Nations cultural uses on the proposed lot uh right

[2:12:36] Voice 11: to yeah can

[2:12:37] Voice 6: I can I suggest that it's an alternative to the mandate

[2:12:41] Voice 6: because it is a report that has been published on the agenda as presented uh this discussion

[2:12:47] Voice 6: Well, that perhaps a more efficient approach, and probably a bigger approach would be simply

[2:12:54] Voice 6: to provide a supplement in the referral addressing errors in many errors or omissions.

[2:13:03] Voice 6: Just to clarify that I do have reservations about presenting something that was presented

[2:13:11] Voice 6: it on the stage to this lpc and consider uh and then that like as anything other than what was

[2:13:18] Voice 6: considered but you can provide more detail on this uh but i think you have concern about taking the

[2:13:23] Voice 6: report that we put on the picture that and then changing it after the fact and this was something

[2:13:27] Voice 6: you know in a sense i would suggest that this report has brought back

[2:13:40] Voice 6: So you are recommending that instead of passing this motion to to then the referral to wait if it's dependent on the referral. Yeah, if it's going over Berlin, it's it's it's like, like I said, I would I would be reluctant to put put out a report that says, you know, a report as what was received and then post that.

[2:14:13] Voice 6: i

[2:14:14] Voice 8: mean we we've said i know i understand the issue we've seen we've seen the amendments

[2:14:18] Voice 8: could the amended report just be brought back on i mean proceed

[2:14:22] Voice 6: with the referrals the amended

[2:14:25] Voice 6: report would just be a future future agenda package for information so that records so it could

[2:14:36] Voice 6: I know you've got an interest in the subject that's what your point is here oh

[2:14:48] Voice 3: um yeah with

[2:14:49] Voice 3: respect to whatever process you guys need to follow um I would just like to say that um I

[2:14:54] Voice 3: think I think it'd be very good if you need to send out the staff report that says the wrong

[2:15:00] Voice 3: parcels for the wrong rezoning request um just in case people don't make it through all the

[2:15:06] Voice 3: supplemental information um and so i i just be very concerned about that just because you know

[2:15:12] Voice 3: there's only four parcels and so if we're saying that you know one takes for a treatment center

[2:15:16] Voice 3: others get down so and it's the wrong ones um

[2:15:18] Voice 3: i'd be very concerned about that condition um if it's

[2:15:22] Voice 3: a matter of us hashing that right now so we have the right things for the right table i'd rather

[2:15:26] Voice 3: do that and wait another month for this to come back around if you guys can't procedurally

[2:15:31] Voice 3: accommodate another way. I mean, we did, but I mean, another way would be to reference the

[2:15:38] Voice 3: correction that was

[2:15:39] Voice 3: sent by the applicant, because there was a detailed correction submitted as

[2:15:43] Voice 3: correspondence, or to reference attachment nine that had a push from the agent. But I just wouldn't

[2:15:51] Voice 3: want to send something that's in the cover sheet out to all these agencies. I think that would be

[2:15:59] Voice 3: they're accusing the customer working in yeah

[2:16:02] Voice 9: and i i just had a thought here that then we have

[2:16:07] Voice 9: executive motion um and i i

[2:16:11] Voice 6: absolutely agree i think it's it's much cleaner to send out a referral

[2:16:15] Voice 6: that states what

[2:16:16] Voice 9: the intention is in the referral but what i know that was just noticing is that the

[2:16:23] Voice 9: the motion to request staff as it was to request staff to refer the draft

[2:16:31] Voice 6: um amend the bylaw the one that we've passed already um and so therefore

[2:16:42] Voice 6: we don't have the draft minute bylaw drafted so therefore all of the information that's going to

[2:16:49] Voice 6: go out in that referral can be corrected before the problem happens in other words amending the

[2:16:56] Voice 6: report it's not necessary that the draft bylaw goes out as perfect with those corrections right

[2:17:01] Voice 6: so actually yeah i don't know if i don't know if

[2:17:04] Voice 18: i drafted it

[2:17:05] Voice 6: according to those corrections

[2:17:06] Voice 6: okay so yeah sort of backing up and thinking it through that way i actually don't think we need to

[2:17:12] Voice 6: advance this motion that makes sense right we're going to be sending a draft bylaw out right not

[2:17:26] Voice 6: not just a staff report anyway okay i think you're good except staff report is

[2:17:33] Voice 6: so there it is so you're you're not good because

[2:17:36] Voice 6: that's still going to be part of the package

[2:17:39] Voice 6: but the errors will be fixed like

[2:17:41] Voice 8: not in the staff report why

[2:17:43] Voice 5: okay so yeah i guess

[2:17:45] Voice 5: that's maybe maybe

[2:17:47] Voice 5: get some more clarity on advice on that because we don't want to send out a staff report

[2:17:54] Voice 5: with the draft bylaw that then has that states errors

[2:18:00] Voice 6: and that they're corrected later in

[2:18:03] Voice 6: supplementary like let's just get a clean report out i think we can provide a think of

[2:18:09] Voice 18: asking the

[2:18:10] Voice 18: provider to provide a brief alongside the report rather than like alongside the file

[2:18:16] Voice 6: itself is perfectly reasonable um we have these right like these discussions that's

[2:18:24] Voice 6: what i'm trying to get out because the most our motion says refer the draft bylaw not this staff

[2:18:30] Voice 6: report okay so as long as what gets those with the draft bylaw doesn't contain the errors then

[2:18:37] Voice 6: that's what i'm saying then we don't need the supplementary motion that it was prepared to make

[2:18:41] Voice 6: yeah our staff reports i'll i'll admit um you know lbc uh trustees may find it really

[2:18:47] Voice 6: true relevant i don't think they're exactly the best read for our agencies so that's not

[2:18:52] Voice 6: unreasonable there's the supplement so

[2:18:53] Voice 5: yeah so what as

[2:18:55] Voice 9: long as whatever goes with the draft

[2:18:58] Voice 9: bylaw out for referral and it doesn't contain the errors that were identified

[2:19:03] Voice 9: contains the correct information then we don't need this supplement okay

[2:19:07] Voice 6: question

[2:19:10] Voice 3: um i didn't

[2:19:12] Voice 3: get a chance to see if there was a revised agenda package for this meeting some earlier this week

[2:19:17] Voice 3: but um i wonder if just for like the public record if um if we should submit that correction um

[2:19:26] Voice 3: document that we submitted by email if we should submit that formally or something like that just

[2:19:32] Voice 3: so that it's part of the public record um would that be helpful like

[2:19:36] Voice 4: in

[2:19:37] Voice 3: terms of i'm not just

[2:19:39] Voice 4: yeah yeah well what i think

[2:19:40] Voice 6: that our family was suggesting earlier is that we could direct staff

[2:19:45] Voice 6: to return an updated staff report to our next meeting yeah

[2:19:51] Voice 3: okay that's how and then that that

[2:19:53] Voice 6: is in the public record

[2:19:54] Voice 4: okay so i then will we won't we didn't second that motion thank goodness

[2:20:03] Voice 4: we would have had to note it down um so instead i'm going to move that

[2:20:07] Voice 9: the local trust committee

[2:20:08] Voice 9: request staff to return with an updated

[2:20:13] Voice 6: report for file PLRZ 2025

[2:20:19] Voice 4: -0331-14.

[2:20:26] Mr.

[2:20:32] Voice 18: Coutinho, is that timing fitting?

[2:20:36] Voice 11: Sorry, I couldn't hear.

[2:20:38] Voice 18: A revised note on these corrections for the May meeting, is that suitable?

[2:20:48] Voice 11: yeah yeah it's achievable it's uh it will be done uh shortly after this meeting great

[2:20:55] Voice 6: okay so

[2:20:56] Voice 6: there's no no no timing problems there so uh i've made the motion just a second any further

[2:21:04] Voice 6: discussion just can that just not be something that's done in an rw

[2:21:12] Voice 6: corner so it's going to be done shortly after the meeting so why wouldn't it take another month

[2:21:22] Voice 6: So the updated report is just going to show up on our next meeting agenda. So it is the updated report as part of the public record. Gotcha. That's it. That's why we're

[2:21:32] Voice 6: I will go proceed with referrals regardless. Yeah.

[2:21:36] Voice 6: Yeah, with the correct time.

[2:21:40] Voice 6: So we're correcting the public record.

[2:21:43] Voice 6: with making sure the referrals are containing the correct information that that's

[2:21:47] Voice 6: talking about uh

[2:21:49] Voice 9: so any further discussion on the motion now moved executive

[2:21:54] Voice 9: i'll call the question all those in favor any

[2:21:58] Voice 4: opposed and the motion carries okay

[2:22:04] Voice 7: i have a question in regards to this bundle of work

[2:22:09] Voice 6: yeah go ahead so you're

[2:22:14] Voice 8: going to be

[2:22:14] Voice 8: preparing a whole lot of referrals packages. And I, I

[2:22:20] Voice 8: think of the Advisory Planning Commission and the Advisory

[2:22:23] Voice 8: Planning Commission seeming a blip.

[2:22:27] Voice 7: Can staff take some effort

[2:22:29] Voice 7: to really organize the agenda

[2:22:31] Voice 6: well for the APC one, I think

[2:22:34] Voice 6: there's some

[2:22:36] Voice 8: priorities is the right word, but there's more

[2:22:41] Voice 8: more meaty applications than others and you know thinking of their time that they're going to be

[2:22:48] Voice 8: having to review this I think there should be some effort put into building

[2:22:52] Voice 7: the agenda so that

[2:22:54] Voice 7: you know the more important sort of more meaty ones that they're likely to have concerns and

[2:23:00] Voice 7: conversations with in place higher in the agenda and that you know there'll be some

[2:23:05] Voice 7: information given because there's

[2:23:07] Voice 6: going to be a

[2:23:07] Voice 7: lot for the advisory planning commission to get

[2:23:10] Voice 7: they

[2:23:11] Voice 8: could spend

[2:23:13] Voice 6: all their time on

[2:23:13] Voice 8: a really minor zoning

[2:23:15] Voice 6: talk about the liquor court of

[2:23:17] Voice 7: the golf course instead of something like this one

[2:23:21] Voice 18: um i think it's worth noting that we would like to get a supplementary substantive presentation

[2:23:28] Voice 18: uh to clarify this this project uh certainly the applicant the product came together

[2:23:36] Voice 18: provide that you see and make sure that we're

[2:23:39] Voice 6: we're providing something that's a level that

[2:23:41] Voice 6: the average citizen is you know ready to hear and that we're practicing lately okay

[2:23:53] Voice 4: okay then um i'm

[2:23:59] Voice 6: gonna propose that we need to take a short recess uh and we'll be coming back

[2:24:05] Voice 6: I'm going to be compared to the test and they can do your job. Okay, it knows 10. So you can be good. So, so let's reset. So, three, 10.

[2:24:22] Voice 3: Thanks, everyone.

[2:24:37] Voice 16: Chair Peterson? Yes. Can

[2:24:39] Voice 7: you mute the

[2:24:40] Voice 16: LTC computer? I will.

[2:24:43] Voice 18: Well, you can do that.

[2:24:45] Voice 6: I appreciate it.

[2:40:02] Voice 2: okay we're

[2:40:03] Voice 18: kind of muted at 3 10.

[2:40:18] Voice 9: okay so we're now on to section 15 starting at page 233

[2:40:24] Voice 9: and

[2:40:25] Voice 6: i'll turn it over uh to rpm to get us started uh thanks richard chair um yeah

[2:40:34] Voice 18: i uh this uh

[2:40:35] Voice 18: we're just coming back into this item here uh of the cplub uh this is the first time we've uh

[2:40:43] Voice 18: had a chance to discuss this item significantly since we moved away from our project consultant.

[2:40:56] Voice 18: We haven't been able to see it since then, given that the questions are up on how to move this

[2:41:01] project forward now. So just

[2:41:04] Voice 18: as an aside, Peter is going to be providing us a bit of a

[2:41:09] Voice 18: of the six providers but a summary on option how to move forward uh i do want to note that

[2:41:17] uh for the the contract with natalie uh they did provide uh the materials unfortunately later last

[2:41:24] week uh so we weren't able to get them off of this agenda and bethany um

[2:41:28] Voice 6: additionally we did want to

[2:41:30] Voice 6: get those to the PAPC directly for the term of our approach. So we do have a PAPC being

[2:41:41] scheduled right now. We've got a few legislation that

[2:41:45] Voice 6: have come up with that just recently,

[2:41:46] Voice 6: but we're working through that over the future. So we look forward to that being happening

[2:41:50] Voice 6: in due course and bringing back the completed materials from the project consultant

[2:41:56] Voice 18: before

[2:41:59] Voice 18: where we go on here. So, but I'll, I'll let you go ahead with a presentation just on how to

[2:42:13] Voice 6: share trustees.

[2:42:16] Voice 6: For those of you have met my name is here. I'm at the last meeting, but it's nice to be with you guys. I have a very brief presentation. I'll try to get short suites, lots of questions and discussion, but I just want to

[2:42:29] Voice 6: say I introduce kind of where we're at with the projects and I'm somewhat new to the project so

[2:42:37] Voice 6: there may be questions that are probably not answered by Mr. Hutton but I'll discuss and share

[2:42:42] Voice 6: knowledge that I've got as well. So a bit of background, the OCP and LEB project is really

[2:42:50] Voice 6: just an average update to the key bylaws that govern Manhattan. So that's all I'm going to do

[2:42:55] Voice 6: of these bylaws that have not been updated in a long time but they're bylaws that title the

[2:43:01] Voice 6: project so there's some uh

[2:43:03] Voice 6: good progress last year through the fall um instead of some challenges in

[2:43:08] Voice 6: consultation uh there was some discussion in january about adding some budget expanding the

[2:43:13] Voice 6: scope of the consultation uh response that we're in right now um uh with the goal that the project

[2:43:20] Voice 6: would be office by the end of this term however the project consultant not renewing their contracts

[2:43:29] Voice 6: Act at the end of last month, but we have probably, well, we can't basically be not

[2:43:35] Voice 6: able to complete the full project with Mr. Hunt. As Mr. Hunt noted, we did have a number

[2:43:42] Voice 6: of materials that were received from the project consultants. Because they received some of

[2:43:46] Voice 6: late, they were included as part of the staff reports, but they will be going to the PAPC

[2:43:52] Voice 6: for initial review, and then they will come to KLCC for comments from the PAPC. First

[2:43:58] Voice 6: is needed and continues to be ongoing may require some additional time so following the departure

[2:44:14] Voice 6: of the project consultant staff have identified three options for eligibility consideration

[2:44:20] Voice 6: understanding that the ltc may have may want to take the budget in a different direction or have

[2:44:26] Voice 6: some other additional considerations the first option would be to quickly move through the rfp

[2:44:31] Voice 6: process to be ultimately consulted to continue the project. Another option would be to continue

[2:44:36] Voice 6: the project primarily in-house using consultants with very specific aspects such as mapping these

[2:44:42] Voice 6: particular community engagement opportunities. The third option would be to postpone policy

[2:44:49] Voice 6: developments currently and really focus on relationship building with community

[2:44:53] Voice 6: impersonations and other stakeholders. That option was kind of presented in response to

[2:44:58] Voice 6: to a previous understanding that doing significant engagement opportunities or being an active

[2:45:06] Voice 6: piece part of being through the summer may not be

[2:45:08] Voice 6: appropriate at 7 or 8 p.m., but it

[2:45:10] Voice 6: is for your own social response.

[2:45:14] Voice 6: So those are the kind of the three options that staff have sort of identified.

[2:45:19] Voice 6: We're basically looking to the LDC to provide us some direction as to how they may want

[2:45:22] Voice 6: to proceed with the project given the time contract under, I think the end of the term,

[2:45:27] Voice 6: and the election call, our requirement to have any of these bylaws signed off by the

[2:45:33] Voice 6: ministry, and their reluctance to sign off on things as we get closer to the election.

[2:45:42] Voice 6: And so right now, staff are recommending the project be largely penthouse, continue policy

[2:45:47] Voice 6: developments, and strategic aspects of the work will be outsourced, primarily mapping

[2:45:52] Voice 6: meetings, other engagement activities where support is required.

[2:45:56] Voice 6: The initial political would be for a new work plan and project charter throughout the meeting as well as sort of a summary of the peers for us so far.

[2:46:15] Voice 6: are

[2:46:16] Voice 6: so at this point have you picked any questions

[2:46:32] Voice 6: sure but this is no surprise to me i argued in the beginning of the term to amend the

[2:46:41] Voice 6: album section of it we had staff tells we could have done it for months we're not in a crisis

[2:46:47] Voice 6: us we have been for many years and for people to recognize that at adult candidates meeting and

[2:46:54] Voice 6: then ignore it afterwards to me it's unforgivable um the point that we're sitting here with this

[2:47:02] Voice 6: in front of us now to me is it's not the fault of staff i don't like i don't blame staff i blame

[2:47:13] Voice 6: whoever voted to push this through and for four almost four years meanwhile the community is

[2:47:23] Voice 6: clearly suffering it takes simple

[2:47:25] Voice 15: observation and not to mention the amount of community

[2:47:30] Voice 15: engagement that's been given concerning housing issue i can't even believe it but yet i can't

[2:47:40] Voice 15: if there's some sort of strategy behind wasting time for eight years then yeah i get it makes

[2:47:47] Voice 15: makes sense to me otherwise none of it makes sense i still propose that this is halted

[2:47:54] Voice 6: and we actually do something the ltc can actually redeem itself there's still

[2:47:59] Voice 15: time we could push

[2:48:02] Voice 15: through um an amended um ocp that amends the housing section to allow something along the

[2:48:08] Voice 6: lines of bylaw 537 to be brought forward in a couple months it could be amended and we it's

[2:48:17] Voice 6: in the purview of our power to bring forth something like bylaw 537 we can do it yeah maybe

[2:48:23] Voice 6: some will be angry but it's under the view it's under the we have it within us to do it yeah the

[2:48:28] Voice 6: province has to say yes or no but the province has told us that we need to make a decision we've had

[2:48:35] Voice 6: letters to them midterm regarding bill 44 which was you know clearly something fishy went on there

[2:48:43] Voice 6: Mayor, clearly. Again, I don't blame staff. And I've never supported this. And I'm not surprised. But I'm really angry. And so are many people in the community. They feel betrayed. And it's unforgivable, in my view, that many others leave it there.

[2:49:11] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:49:15] Voice 4: Trustee Becker?

[2:49:17] Voice 8: well trustee harris i have been committed to this housing matter for many years

[2:49:24] Voice 8: there's no betrayal here this is process oh i

[2:49:28] Voice 6: see it as a betrayal i

[2:49:30] Voice 8: have the floor mr harris oh

[2:49:32] Voice 6: great let's hear it so i won't believe a word of it please just follow your comments till i call on

[2:49:41] Voice 6: you okay

[2:49:45] Voice 8: um well thank you for the staff report and thank you for I know you are the fifth person

[2:49:53] Voice 8: to be taking on this role um and I know it's really hard to take on a project that has

[2:50:00] Voice 8: zig and zag and

[2:50:02] Voice 6: gone gee I would have

[2:50:04] Voice 7: done it this way from the beginning so I

[2:50:06] Voice 6: know how difficult it

[2:50:07] Voice 6: is to take on a project in this space thank you for taking it on and uh and helping because uh

[2:50:13] Voice 6: I agree, there is no shortage of need.

[2:50:18] Voice 8: I think, and I can tell you, I spent a lot of time

[2:50:22] Voice 8: sitting here looking at the report,

[2:50:24] Voice 8: penciling and turning it yellow and lots of notes.

[2:50:29] Voice 8: And then it dawned on me that we were being asked

[2:50:32] Voice 8: about the process, which of these three processes

[2:50:34] Voice 8: should we take?

[2:50:35] Voice 8: This pays six months left in return.

[2:50:40] Voice 8: And I think I'd like to turn things on its head

[2:50:42] Voice 8: and first say, well, what can we have for outcomes in the next six months that would benefit the community at this point in this project's life?

[2:51:00] Voice 8: The project needs to continue.

[2:51:02] Voice 8: An update of the OCP needs to happen, and it needs to happen through a clear, concrete process.

[2:51:07] Voice 8: So there's two outcomes I can think of, and I'd love to hear more feedback on, is one is looking at kind of like what's missing.

[2:51:20] Voice 8: I know there's a whole group of deliverables that you've seen, we have not seen.

[2:51:27] Voice 8: So we don't have the information in front of us.

[2:51:30] Voice 8: Maybe what I'm asking for is partially or all in what's coming, but I don't know.

[2:51:35] Voice 8: I think what would be very helpful is sort of a set of like five to ten foundational principles that sort of anchor the update of the OCP principles that translate all the work that we've done today into sort of direction for policy.

[2:51:53] Voice 8: see. And this is not something I'm making up. I'm looking at what Bowen Island is doing

[2:52:00] Voice 8: with the same consultant who has not departed from Bowen, and they're doing principles.

[2:52:13] Voice 8: And I look at Central Saanich has principles and there's many examples of how the principles

[2:52:20] Voice 8: principles are set, beginning with the document and even getting incorporated into the document

[2:52:25] Voice 8: as to what we're trying to achieve.

[2:52:33] Voice 8: So I think there is real value, real value to the community to have those principles

[2:52:40] Voice 8: created because it gives you some, it really takes us out of the realm of, you know, that's

[2:52:47] Voice 8: That's unlimited what we're doing to saying here, you know, this is putting it on paper.

[2:52:54] Voice 8: This is what we're doing.

[2:52:55] Voice 8: This is the philosophy.

[2:52:56] Voice 8: So I think there's real value in that, trying to achieve that by September.

[2:53:02] Voice 8: The second is building on what we talked about last meeting, which is, I think we need to

[2:53:10] Voice 8: move to these, to propose bylaws, I'd say target three readings.

[2:53:16] Voice 8: it's always you can fit goals goals are good three readings by september on policy direction

[2:53:23] Voice 8: and regulatory tools to prioritize the water connections for housing um housing that the

[2:53:30] Voice 8: community actually needs especially affordable workforce housing um this is something that's

[2:53:42] Voice 8: time sensitive and i think we're going to have i think the community is going to be supportive

[2:53:49] Voice 8: And it's work that needs to be done, what can we do to prioritize the connections?

[2:53:59] Voice 8: It will make a difference in this community if we can move that forward.

[2:54:07] Voice 8: So there's a lot of good pieces that have been done, and I'm intrigued and interested

[2:54:14] Voice 8: interested in seeing what's coming and relating to the principles as well from the First Nations

[2:54:30] Voice 8: engagement. I know we're behind where we need to be. We set out really wanting meaningful,

[2:54:37] Voice 8: early and meaningful engagement from the beginning. That was a foundational principle.

[2:54:41] Voice 8: And I think working on principles would be a good level to be having those conversations.

[2:54:51] Voice 8: So I see the two dovetailing well.

[2:54:56] Voice 8: And that work needs to carry on in the next, that we can't stop, we need to be building

[2:55:03] Voice 6: those relationships.

[2:55:07] Voice 8: The materials that have come in, the reports that we've come in, I do have questions as to how we're going to see the information, how the public's going to see the information, and what really the intent is with the Advisory Planning Commission of just, are we just going to, they're going to receive the information?

[2:55:37] Voice 8: I just don't feel that that's the right approach.

[2:55:40] Voice 8: I really think that we've got to put some time.

[2:55:45] Voice 8: I think the advisory planning commission would be beneficial

[2:55:49] Voice 7: to build on what needs to be done

[2:55:51] Voice 7: and bring principles to reality.

[2:55:55] Voice 8: Is there engagement that

[2:55:57] Voice 6: needs to be done related to that, how

[2:55:59] Voice 8: we would do that?

[2:56:01] Voice 8: But these deliverables, and as well, we know what's been completed.

[2:56:07] Voice 8: it would be nice to know what didn't get completed i i don't know

[2:56:10] Voice 7: we didn't have the terms of

[2:56:12] Voice 7: reference we don't know what was expected of the consultants done

[2:56:14] Voice 8: by march 31st so you know was

[2:56:17] Voice 8: there things that remain undone um and then how we can use that material so i'd really like to see

[2:56:26] Voice 8: some thought put into that um so i think there's value in talking about the outcomes we want

[2:56:38] Voice 8: accomplished by september and i think if we can agree on what those outcomes are

[2:56:44] Voice 8: then the process comes out of that i'd look to staff to say you come up with a process

[2:56:49] Voice 8: that gets us those outcomes and i'm sure that that would be a better way those

[2:56:57] Voice 6: are my thoughts

[2:56:58] Voice 6: i have a number of items that we've talked about in terms of motion but mr chair yes

[2:57:07] Voice 6: to answer could i

[2:57:08] Voice 6: ask a few questions here but maybe i'll hold it if you want to kind of get

[2:57:15] Voice 6: an understanding the impressions that we're getting here

[2:57:25] Voice 6: okay yeah just to hear when i hear the word principles like

[2:57:30] Voice 15: i i don't i don't get it

[2:57:33] Voice 15: principles so we need some big glaring you know light bulb over the head principles that means

[2:57:37] Voice 6: nothing to people who have had to leave or are going to have to leave because they don't have

[2:57:43] Voice 6: of housing water connections we

[2:57:48] Voice 15: knew at the beginning of the term it wasn't going to be an

[2:57:51] Voice 15: easy road to get water connections that's why we needed to create zoning for workforce ownership

[2:57:55] Voice 15: housing projects

[2:57:56] Voice 6: in areas that have more than enough groundwater or that were um that would

[2:58:05] Voice 6: have been um that would have had the potential for delivery because there's areas of this island

[2:58:10] Voice 6: where the groundwater is astronomical there's there's so much water it's not even funny

[2:58:15] Voice 15: but to think and blame it on oh we don't have the connections when we knew we didn't have the

[2:58:19] Voice 15: connections at the beginning of the term and that was one of the arguments i put forward

[2:58:21] Voice 15: as to why we couldn't do this ocp we needed to amend the housing section and push for zoning

[2:58:28] Voice 15: it's not rocket science i don't believe any of this talk and hand-wringing and all the rest of

[2:58:33] Voice 15: it i don't buy it for a second i don't know who does maybe some do but i know lots that don't

[2:58:39] Voice 6: we can do something it's in the purview of our power we were elected to do it

[2:58:42] Voice 6: and it's not like it's some radical thing to think that we can't can't take it can't take it anymore

[2:58:55] Voice 6: i hear it and i'll believe a word of it i heard staff stefan told us we could have been in two

[2:59:04] Voice 6: months procedurally we could have pushed many things it would have been long down long ago

[2:59:10] Voice 6: we still could talk about principles and all the rest of it afterwards but this has been a huge

[2:59:18] Voice 6: disservice to the community the community has been betrayed i heard i was at that all candidates

[2:59:24] Voice 6: meeting i know what i heard it's all recorded eight

[2:59:36] Voice 7: years just

[2:59:47] Voice 2: came back i

[2:59:48] Voice 8: agree groundwater

[2:59:49] Voice 8: is not rocket science it's geology hydrogeology it is science skewed

[2:59:56] Voice 6: eco-radical geology of late

[3:00:00] Voice 6: please just refrain well trustee no because

[3:00:03] Voice 4: it's more bs gas lighting i've been dealing with it for

[3:00:09] Voice 4: three plus years now trying

[3:00:27] Voice 6: to unplug the wrong plug this time apologies for the last time

[3:00:41] Voice 6: the purpose of the overall project is about finding the right places

[3:00:47] Voice 6: and uh i'm seeing what april is doing and others and it does

[3:00:51] Voice 6: is a methodical approach, finding

[3:00:54] Voice 8: out where, how it goes, and that is the bigger project that's

[3:00:59] Voice 8: got to carry on. Principles, put

[3:01:05] Voice 6: a little more meat on the bones is really what principles are,

[3:01:09] Voice 6: making it clear what we're trying to do.

[3:01:14] Voice 8: Project, in all sense, I love it. I always use the funnel.

[3:01:19] Voice 8: and i found a drawing that's what the project was taking all the good ideas getting down to the ones

[3:01:26] Voice 8: that are practical and that's the process that we're going through that's the process we have

[3:01:31] Voice 8: to continue to go through but

[3:01:33] Voice 6: what i'd like to do is focus on what can we do this term by september

[3:01:45] Voice 18: mr chair go ahead sir i'll wait uh to add some thoughts on it but my what i i kind of like

[3:01:52] Voice 18: things increase so what i'm hearing uh from this table right now that there's certainly a desire to

[3:01:58] Voice 18: what can we do in the next six months uh i i fully appreciate that

[3:02:05] Voice 6: perspective i also

[3:02:06] Voice 6: wanted to be clear as staff and as we've been the government on obviously the continuous process

[3:02:15] Voice 6: right

[3:02:16] Voice 18: uh it'll it'll continue after the next six months uh and so i i just want to make sure that

[3:02:22] Voice 18: we're keeping

[3:02:22] Voice 6: that in mind as we take our next steps and so understanding both is probably a

[3:02:27] Voice 6: really important aspect of this right now. So we can certainly bring you back to that.

[3:02:34] Voice 6: What was delivered, and I think this is something that LTC certainly needs to see and review,

[3:02:40] Voice 6: you know, ideally timing at

[3:02:43] Voice 18: the same time as the as

[3:02:48] Voice 6: the as the revised

[3:02:51] Voice 6: But what was delivered, I can say right now, was that we had comments back in the technical

[3:02:57] Voice 6: summary and the gap analysis that we finalized, the polished version based on the substantive

[3:03:04] Voice 6: comments we received from both GAPC as well as PLCC back in February and January, respectively.

[3:03:13] effectively, so those who go to be able to see later this month

[3:03:18] Voice 18: or coming back in May.

[3:03:21] Voice 18: We also do have the survey results, pretty much all the background, so these are the

[3:03:28] Voice 18: types of things that

[3:03:28] Voice 6: we track in order to keep us, you know, it helps us to sort of

[3:03:34] rationalize how these decisions are made, even if those decisions are engaged in processes.

[3:03:40] processes.

[3:03:42] Voice 6: And I'm hearing a mix of response on how methodological, if that's a word, how

[3:03:49] Voice 6: much do we need to follow standard methods for moving quickly. That's what I'm hearing

[3:03:59] Voice 6: so far. I'll remind that the purpose of this report is really, you know, we do still have

[3:04:07] Voice 6: a budget we still have uh people that are are engaged in this process and they're involved

[3:04:13] with matters but um how do we utilize all of those resources at this point given that what

[3:04:21] Voice 6: our results have divided us communication is you know there are tools in there that are simply not

[3:04:28] Voice 6: in our toolbox anymore and there are uh orders like there are levels of technical skill that

[3:04:35] Voice 6: that we're engaged with that consultant

[3:04:38] Voice 6: that we no longer have at our limit.

[3:04:41] Voice 6: So the technical process of the drafting is one thing,

[3:04:47] Voice 6: creating a world plan on your own,

[3:04:50] Voice 18: that in Minecraft,

[3:04:53] Voice 18: find your typewriter anytime you want,

[3:04:56] Voice 18: but getting the community to go along with it

[3:04:59] Voice 18: is the challenge to drive away from, right?

[3:05:01] Voice 18: So I just, those are the kinds of messages

[3:05:04] Voice 18: them sort of i just kind of wanted to reflect

[3:05:07] Voice 6: back and put your thoughts on well i i

[3:05:14] Voice 7: want to be clear

[3:05:15] Voice 7: but i i want the process to keep advancing i'm not asking that we work the process and do something

[3:05:22] Voice 7: different the process

[3:05:23] Voice 8: needs to advance what from this process could lead the next turn on the best

[3:05:30] Voice 8: grounds possible to keep it going. That's really what I'm trying

[3:05:36] Voice 7: to focus on, is right now the

[3:05:42] Voice 8: project, like I said, without seeing the deliverables, it's a challenging conversation. It's like having a, you know, there's an unknown aspect here. I don't know what's in the reports that you have, how close they come to

[3:06:01] Voice 8: to having some good direction or ideas of like where we're headed with this document and so that

[3:06:11] Voice 8: that is a challenge very frank it's very difficult to have that conversation so what i'm looking at

[3:06:18] Voice 8: is that we want to have you know advance this whatever this is use the word principles because

[3:06:27] Voice 8: that's what they are using on the other OCPs and it doesn't make sense that you can you kind of

[3:06:35] Voice 8: hang a hat out I understand what the

[3:06:37] Voice 7: statement means the objectives the policies everything

[3:06:40] Voice 7: falls under it so you've got a direction sense right now it's I have no direction I don't know

[3:06:46] Voice 7: where you're where it's going and

[3:06:49] Voice 8: so we don't know where it's going you know the next term is not so

[3:06:55] Voice 8: So I'm trying to get us narrowly in a bit.

[3:06:59] Voice 8: What are the key aspects we're trying to do

[3:07:02] Voice 7: and get some agreement.

[3:07:05] Voice 7: Then we'll get this table, hopefully a little broader,

[3:07:13] Voice 7: that has some more clarity on kind of where it works.

[3:07:18] Voice 7: You read the paper right now in Decision.

[3:07:21] Voice 7: You'd swear that there's one group of people who think

[3:07:23] Voice 8: where there's violence being paid from the top to the bottom, left to right, versus the back.

[3:07:31] Voice 8: So I think being able to have some direction on what it is we're trying to achieve,

[3:07:37] Voice 8: which is good for the community, then people can talk about it, see it, understand it better,

[3:07:46] Voice 8: maybe have more conversations about it, and you'll actually be narrowing in,

[3:07:52] Voice 8: but drifting

[3:07:54] Voice 6: further apart is

[3:07:55] Voice 8: not good. So that's what I'm trying to look at is

[3:08:00] Voice 3: keeping the work moving,

[3:08:01] Voice 8: narrowing in on a good approach for going forward,

[3:08:08] Voice 7: plus

[3:08:09] Voice 8: moving the

[3:08:09] Voice 7: water ahead. And I think because that one is so time sensitive, I'm thinking how

[3:08:15] Voice 7: to prioritize institutions as far

[3:08:18] Voice 6: as we can go with that work. We always, since the beginning

[3:08:22] Voice 8: of this project have been talking about the necessity to expedite that piece of work.

[3:08:29] Voice 7: Called it Off-Ramps. We knew that the project, as soon as we could get an idea. So I was hoping,

[3:08:34] Voice 7: I was hoping somebody was working on that. We've talked about it many times. What are the ideas?

[3:08:40] Voice 7: How can we make sure that these connections that we have go to the housing? And if the province

[3:08:55] Voice 7: If that's more resources come to that same question, how can we prioritize the connections and

[3:09:08] Voice 18: that's because their desire to the operable project, I got some other project exactly there.

[3:09:26] Voice 18: There are options, there are

[3:09:28] Voice 6: options, some serious, they would require substantially more resources.

[3:09:35] Voice 6: issues, as well as, you know, substantial work within the community and probably some of the OCP, probably outside of the OCP, but also within the community, in other words, in the city, the operatives that we have, or that we can negotiate, or propose,

[3:10:02] Voice 18: um more of an appendix to a revised charter noting the intended purpose of this project

[3:10:09] Voice 18: associated budget

[3:10:11] Voice 6: is to update the computer

[3:10:12] Voice 18: to

[3:10:15] Voice 6: diversify our housing stock

[3:10:18] Voice 6: um so those are that there's a bit of a challenge there that's six months in summer it's a challenge

[3:10:26] Voice 6: challenge, but there are zone-based options that we could do that would achieve that.

[3:10:34] Voice 6: Bylaw 537, we will report on that.

[3:10:40] Voice 18: It's kind of illustrated to us, servicing that as well as

[3:10:54] Voice 18: getting buy-in are

[3:10:59] Voice 6: certainly a direction towards a more centralized kind of approach

[3:11:08] Voice 6: The next question I would have, I guess, around water is, what is the stuff we see, like we're

[3:11:17] Voice 6: looking for ideas on what we can do.

[3:11:19] Voice 6: There's certainly policy directives that are seen in OCPs that say we will not expand services

[3:11:24] Voice 6: beyond this point, familiar with water services, but in terms of creating clear-cut regulation

[3:11:35] Voice 6: simply say we're going to allow water in this area, but it doesn't necessarily have to track

[3:11:45] Voice 6: this area of service description.

[3:11:50] Voice 6: If there's a desire to manage that resource, then it probably needs to be brought back.

[3:11:57] Voice 6: I think that NSSWB might need to give us the information to do anything in the near future.

[3:12:04] Voice 18: there, but it's a challenge

[3:12:06] Voice 18: to determine where that

[3:12:08] Voice 18: ought to be.

[3:12:17] Voice 6: There's

[3:12:17] Voice 6: plenty of rural properties that can

[3:12:21] Voice 6: have workforce ownership

[3:12:22] Voice 6: housing projects be initiated.

[3:12:24] Voice 6: Plenty. We can create that

[3:12:27] Voice 6: zone. We can do that.

[3:12:30] Voice 6: That's what we're here for.

[3:12:33] Voice 6: Water connections,

[3:12:34] Voice 15: yeah, I get it.

[3:12:34] Voice 6: Again, that's what was talked about

[3:12:36] Voice 6: at the beginning of the term and probably last

[3:12:38] Voice 6: term, it's not so easy

[3:12:42] Voice 6: because North Salt Spring isn't

[3:12:43] Voice 6: going to give you the connection so you might as well count that out for him like mirakami land or

[3:12:48] Voice 6: whatever it is on rainbow road and besides that we need more units then we'll be there we're going

[3:12:57] Voice 6: to need like a multitude of housing projects in the form of workforce ownership housing projects

[3:13:02] Voice 6: in the form of building strata types to be controlled by a housing authority as is done

[3:13:10] Voice 6: in neighboring jurisdictions like very simple create the zoning that will allow it not going

[3:13:17] Voice 15: to do it on the americambuland because you can't get the connections like we know that so okay we

[3:13:22] Voice 15: don't need to talk about it for four years this is all i i can't even believe my ears and then

[3:13:29] Voice 15: when i hear talk of you know um regulating starting

[3:13:34] Voice 6: to regulate more water on one hand

[3:13:35] Voice 6: they go housing we need housing and you know we're at the all candidates meeting and then

[3:13:39] Voice 6: And this term, I've been hearing it.

[3:13:40] Voice 6: And then on the other hand, from the same part, I hear, oh, we're going to try and limit

[3:13:50] Voice 6: water storage and rain catchment as a means of proof of water for subdivision.

[3:13:57] Voice 6: So on one hand, they hear, oh, yeah, housing, we need it.

[3:14:00] Voice 6: We've got to put our hands together and what are we going to do?

[3:14:02] Voice 6: And then on the other hand, we're creating policies, trying to get them into the OCP,

[3:14:06] Voice 6: including new dpas that will not allow for the housing like

[3:14:10] Voice 6: it's pretty clear what the agenda is

[3:14:15] Voice 15: like it just

[3:14:16] Voice 2: we

[3:14:24] Voice 6: could create so many we were elected to do that and sit here and talk and

[3:14:33] Voice 6: like my counties can't believe my ears there's no greater public engagement than an election

[3:14:38] Voice 6: like that's very clear i've said that from the beginning of german proven right by this

[3:14:43] Voice 6: That's what's happened with this.

[3:14:45] Voice 6: Everything I've said about this is true.

[3:14:51] Voice 6: Four years later, nothing.

[3:14:53] Voice 6: Some more chit-chat for the next term, the next trustees,

[3:14:58] Voice 6: who we might be ended up with.

[3:15:01] Voice 6: This island is toast.

[3:15:04] Voice 6: So many people have had to leave.

[3:15:06] Voice 6: People, descendants of early settlers have had to leave

[3:15:10] Voice 6: because there's no more for them to live.

[3:15:11] Voice 6: There's local First Nations that come to me and are pissed

[3:15:16] Voice 6: because they can't put housing on their 168ers

[3:15:22] Voice 6: for their family because of violence trust policies,

[3:15:25] Voice 6: which we can change.

[3:15:30] Voice 6: So I'm sorry that I don't buy any of this

[3:15:32] Voice 6: and I'm not aiming this at staff.

[3:15:44] Voice 8: You've been in the meetings with the North Salt Spring

[3:15:46] Voice 7: that's

[3:15:47] Voice 8: partially lifted the moratorium.

[3:15:49] Voice 8: They

[3:15:49] Voice 6: did that with the full intent

[3:15:50] Voice 6: that the water goes for the housing that we need.

[3:15:53] Voice 6: After the

[3:15:55] Voice 7: new plant is built, it will mingle with two systems, there will be a potential additional lifting on this side, which is critically important for housing, so it should be done.

[3:16:07] Voice 7: So,

[3:16:08] Voice 8: I'm looking to you, the

[3:16:11] Voice 8: professionals, perhaps the province will raise this, like I said, an additional skill

[3:16:17] Voice 7: set to help us bridge this issue.

[3:16:21] Voice 7: This is a community that didn't show up during our project to get involved in this issue.

[3:16:35] Voice 7: And I think that's why I just say from now, at the end of the year, this term, that we

[3:16:45] Voice 7: have to advance that work.

[3:16:47] Voice 7: What are those options?

[3:16:50] Voice 7: What are they?

[3:16:50] Voice 7: What do they look like?

[3:16:51] Voice 7: Like, I don't know, I'm looking to you professionals,

[3:16:57] Voice 7: policy helps, what helps?

[3:16:58] Voice 7: What helps them make decisions they need for that?

[3:17:03] Voice 7: This is fleeting.

[3:17:05] Voice 7: If we can't find a way to prioritize those connections,

[3:17:13] Voice 7: they will disappear.

[3:17:23] Voice 6: Well, I haven't, you know,

[3:17:25] Voice 15: the North Salt Spring connections hinge on so many things

[3:17:28] Voice 15: that we all know of.

[3:17:29] Voice 15: This isn't, you know, this was known years and years ago,

[3:17:31] Voice 15: including at the beginning of this term that there's also ALR so most of that stuff that

[3:17:37] Voice 15: has been pointed at and we know that that's not easy to do we know what it's like trying to get

[3:17:42] Voice 15: stuff out of the ALR you can't so what do we do in turn we should create zoning somewhere else

[3:17:46] Voice 15: the other issue is that the infrastructure underneath Ganges the sewage treatment and

[3:17:51] Voice 15: all the rest of it as we know it's no newsflash is not capable of a big uptake in um in units in

[3:17:59] Voice 6: in town like it just isn't and the cost in order to do it is astronomical at this point should have

[3:18:04] Voice 6: been done years ago but it's been put off put off put off now with the cost of everything gone to

[3:18:08] Voice 6: the roof even at four years ago it's like never mind and then we're also held hostage by um

[3:18:13] Voice 6: referrals you want to do something in town you're not digging up anything in Ganges to fix the

[3:18:17] Voice 6: infrastructure and it's a nightmare you want to talk to professionals talk to the people who know

[3:18:21] Voice 6: of what's under the ground in Ganges there's plenty of them around people that have been

[3:18:26] Voice 6: been working on this island for decades there's still old-timers that know there's younger people

[3:18:30] Voice 6: that are involved in it we're not we haven't been talking to the right people at all like this is

[3:18:39] Voice 15: all you know i know this stuff i've been working alongside people that have developed and whatnot

[3:18:43] Voice 15: and self-invited and all the rest of it on the falling trees for these folks

[3:18:47] Voice 6: like i'm well

[3:18:48] Voice 6: versed in it all but nobody wants to hear anything for me we push forward this thing

[3:18:56] Voice 15: i can't even

[3:18:56] Voice 15: believe it and then and so then i realized this from the beginning of the term and then when i

[3:19:03] Voice 15: hear these arguments

[3:19:04] Voice 6: between you know and again it's not even staff but when you when you hear

[3:19:08] Voice 6: staff when i hear them conversing with my fellow trustee it sounds like the song there's a hole in

[3:19:15] Voice 6: my bucket dear liza like it's this isn't difficult people want housing to be brand on those platforms

[3:19:27] Voice 6: like ice was up there on that stage too that was a huge public engagement one of the best turnouts

[3:19:33] Voice 6: for um islands trust um voting attendance in a long time again i'll refer to what i said earlier

[3:19:42] Voice 6: in this conversation um i would think now like i don't understand like why why why not why haven't

[3:19:52] Voice 6: we done this stuff but it's clear as to why i want to see don't understand but what what are

[3:20:03] Voice 6: we going to come to today you know staff is asking us well what do we do what do we do we got a little

[3:20:09] Voice 6: bit of money but we've got it you know it's summertime we hear coming hey good luck whatever's

[3:20:17] Voice 6: done is like it's completely meaningless 100 and you get the province involved i i can't again it's

[3:20:27] Voice 6: if there isn't an ulterior motive to the way things have been done then i don't know what

[3:20:35] Voice 6: mr chair yes sir um i'd

[3:20:39] Voice 18: like to just clarify you know stuff often in this discussion

[3:20:43] Voice 18: respond to workables yeah so if there's anybody who

[3:20:53] Voice 6: feels that we're not responding to their

[3:20:55] Voice 6: i don't i'm not blaming stuff i do not put this on staff no i

[3:20:58] Voice 18: don't feel that way at all um but i i

[3:21:01] Voice 18: feel that uh you know i think it's if we look at the the practicality of these letters you know

[3:21:10] Voice 18: early on there are a lot of ideas that a lot of people get kind of um attuned to uh treating them

[3:21:18] Voice 18: required submission right trustees um that

[3:21:23] Voice 6: essentially you know what we're looking at is

[3:21:25] Voice 6: you know that's is this practical and constitutional right so the the term workforce housing will be

[3:21:32] Voice 6: getting has been a challenge for us as planners because it's something that doesn't say it goes

[3:21:37] Voice 6: very directly to zoning for people rather than zoning for a use and uh or density and those

[3:21:45] Voice 6: types of things right you look at you know you do look at housing in a in terms of a

[3:21:50] Voice 6: the life cycle of the building not the life cycle of the occupant sense right uh very few

[3:21:56] Voice 6: exceptions to that special needs seniors uh you know like we can't define it very clearly

[3:22:02] Voice 6: it's really hard to manage inside and so uh outside of

[3:22:06] Voice 18: character stuff in the united states

[3:22:08] Voice 18: but um but i i say that because i i'm trying to get clarity on what this means like what

[3:22:15] Voice 18: but workforce housing, how that, how we define that in a way that creates a,

[3:22:21] Voice 6: you know, that's

[3:22:22] Voice 6: why we often have a situation like a grievance that we look at, you know, what is encumbered

[3:22:28] Voice 6: I

[3:22:28] Voice 9: want to answer

[3:22:28] Voice 6: this directly. Workforce housing. I sat in the office with Stephen

[3:22:32] Voice 6: Cermak. We went over it clearly, very clearly. And it's been done in Tobino. It's been done

[3:22:38] Voice 6: in Whistler. I think it's been done over in Cowichan, but we're not reinventing the wheel

[3:22:43] Voice 6: zoning that allows for it in the form of building stratus that are controlled by a housing authority

[3:22:51] Voice 6: look at the whistler housing authority which doesn't that has nothing to do with us we just

[3:22:57] Voice 6: create the zoning to allow it to happen and try and take some hurdles out of the way which is in

[3:23:03] Voice 6: the purview of our power to do that to allow these things to advance again we need thousands of units

[3:23:11] Voice 15: like probably a couple thousand so it's not going to happen in one spot they're going to be

[3:23:15] Voice 15: a multitude of these things that have to go on and even if we had to push that at the beginning

[3:23:20] Voice 15: of the term we would have been lucky to have a few projects underway as

[3:23:24] Voice 6: it's too late like too

[3:23:25] Voice 6: little too late as i said earlier in the beginning of the meeting in my report the damage is you know

[3:23:31] Voice 6: a repair of what's been done and or lack of what's been done to this community many have had to leave

[3:23:38] Voice 6: like it's no joke and plenty have to leave quite often like probably you know a couple of months

[3:23:43] Voice 6: or maybe more are gone from our workforce so workforce ownership housing i've talked stepping

[3:23:52] Voice 6: about it it's not you know look at the whistler housing authority that's what it is and we create

[3:23:57] Voice 6: zoning to allow it super simple could be done in six months six months we could do it procedurally

[3:24:02] Voice 6: two months to amend the ocp to allow it if two trustees said this is what we think is best for

[3:24:09] Voice 6: the community we heard what are you saying i was telling you you don't like it sorry um you know

[3:24:14] Voice 6: but we're we're doing what we were elected to do and we feel this is the best thing for the

[3:24:18] Voice 6: community that's what they need and then all in favor say very not this giant conundrum of oh my

[3:24:28] Voice 6: god you know so um did you get any clarity there i i mean i can understand the stratus

[3:24:43] Voice 6: building uh the establishment of the housing authority i think the best analog we have for

[3:24:48] Voice 6: that way to host things like just because we don't even give you right so it's a it's a non-profit

[3:24:55] Voice 6: that's pursuing this funding made some type of a walk right so that's that works that's the housing

[3:25:06] Voice 6: the small scale housing uh essentially an organization it's essentially not small scale

[3:25:13] Voice 6: Stratas do the same thing. When Strata's owning, there are a number of Stratas down there.

[3:25:19] Voice 6: Building Strata. That's the important part. Building Strata.

[3:25:23] Voice 6: The tenure of the building is not relevant in terms of-

[3:25:27] Voice 6: Where the people own the building and the ground it sits on.

[3:25:30] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:25:30] Voice 6: Not this, but there's common use. Again, I'm not recreating the wheel here. It's been done already.

[3:25:36] Voice 6: We do have the ability, like anybody, there are many opportunities for stratification because

[3:25:41] Voice 6: itself like that uh dragonfly and sandals and there's been hurdles hurdle after hurdle put

[3:25:49] Voice 6: in front of them primarily water um you know that's you know so we need to get rid of these

[3:25:58] Voice 6: hurdles and create a zoning that will allow these things to happen it's not difficult

[3:26:07] Voice 6: that's perfect let's

[3:26:09] Voice 8: bring it back again to the more salt spring water connections and a benefit

[3:26:13] Voice 8: is i think any ways

[3:26:15] Voice 7: to prioritize connections

[3:26:17] Voice 8: look at the property that uh highway has recently

[3:26:24] Voice 8: purchased that's zoned for

[3:26:26] Voice 8: 24 26 units they can get connection to ground uh to the water service

[3:26:32] Voice 8: that property could potentially have more so this is examples if we

[3:26:37] Voice 7: prioritize and make sure this

[3:26:39] Voice 7: water goes to these possible facilities over here we can create more units and connect them to

[3:26:48] Voice 7: to water service not wells in this area that are so um that's that's what i'm looking that's the

[3:27:03] Voice 7: work that uh to do as

[3:27:08] Voice 6: well because that will help so this is a opportunity

[3:27:12] Voice 8: we've known has been here

[3:27:14] Voice 8: we have to off-ramp it to another project policy allows us to have three

[3:27:21] Voice 7: us all spring um that's uh and i think we're going to find the community is

[3:27:34] Voice 6: going to support

[3:27:34] Voice 6: i don't think she's going to find this so this is a fight so i just want to

[3:27:45] Voice 6: direct us like in terms

[3:27:47] Voice 6: in terms of the staff part of those three options here.

[3:27:56] Voice 6: And obviously we've had some discussion

[3:27:58] Voice 6: around what the priorities are.

[3:28:02] Voice 6: So could indicate if there's any of these three options

[3:28:11] Voice 6: that look like the way to try and achieve any of these results.

[3:28:16] Voice 6: also i for me i don't i think

[3:28:20] Voice 8: staff should choose the process they need to achieve this the work

[3:28:27] Voice 8: so i don't i don't think we need to set you know tell them how to do process

[3:28:34] Voice 7: at this point

[3:28:36] Voice 7: i think there's value and think what is the outcomes and then what's the best process to

[3:28:41] Voice 7: align with those to create those outcomes that's what i'm looking at rather

[3:28:48] Voice 6: than you have to take

[3:28:49] Voice 6: this process what does he well my sense is that again i guess like this is this report is just

[3:29:00] Voice 6: looking for the approach and um

[3:29:03] Voice 18: and that's that's what we've got in this conversation uh what i'm

[3:29:10] Voice 18: seeing is very strong distaste for the prospect of going through our appeals over six months

[3:29:16] Voice 18: So that takes care of option one.

[3:29:20] Voice 18: Good deduction.

[3:29:21] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:29:25] Voice 6: The question then becomes, is it option two?

[3:29:29] Voice 6: We can certainly see that there's probably a blend,

[3:29:32] Voice 18: but it's not a

[3:29:32] Voice 18: binary at this point, should it be?

[3:29:35] Voice 18: So the two options that they provided

[3:29:38] Voice 18: are a new project, new talent, new courses,

[3:29:42] Voice 18: with strategic investments.

[3:29:44] Voice 18: And that would be noted things like if I break an app in the department, but they keep things

[3:29:53] going and they keep our data strong, but

[3:29:55] Voice 18: they don't have a lot of extra project capacity.

[3:30:00] Voice 18: uh mapping teams right that analysis uh we have to put some things there but we can do that through

[3:30:08] Voice 18: shorter procurement

[3:30:10] Voice 6: processes that large scale are

[3:30:13] Voice 6: scope those in a way that allows it or require that support uh that support um

[3:30:22] Voice 6: what i'm also wondering

[3:30:23] Voice 18: though in option three is postponing policy development focusing on

[3:30:28] Voice 18: relationship building uh you know developing uh and to some extent that's an idea of something

[3:30:36] Voice 6: like principles uh you know maybe to in the policy development world uh there may be a need to

[3:30:45] Voice 6: prioritize its own project so that might be taking the active projects list and say

[3:30:53] Voice 6: let's let's set aside advance these policies substantially if we could pursue things if we

[3:30:59] Voice 6: could come up with a couple of zoning actions that would advance uh you know addressing or

[3:31:05] policy actions that would advance the the

[3:31:08] Voice 6: water connection policy or provide opportunities for

[3:31:12] Voice 6: uh for more housing available

[3:31:20] Voice 18: um that's

[3:31:25] Voice 6: still you know at the same time

[3:31:26] Voice 6: to continue to work in relationships in your agency or stations on smaller pieces of the pie

[3:31:33] Voice 6: that might be one option pick up the ocp policy process in a sort of

[3:31:41] Voice 6: essentially seven months first here personally i'd

[3:31:54] Voice 15: like to see the project as is completely halted

[3:31:57] Voice 15: and then a focus put on amending the housing section of the ocp that would facilitate

[3:32:04] Voice 15: facilitate something along the lines of bylaw 537 just amended so that it would be in line with

[3:32:14] Voice 15: something like that and have it amended so that

[3:32:17] Voice 6: workforce ownership housing zoning could be

[3:32:21] Voice 6: created that's what i'd like to see um we are looking at a hybrid of a process to there's no

[3:32:35] Voice 7: questions. We need to proceed with the process or proceed with the First Nations. And I think

[3:32:44] Voice 7: it's okay that we've got the materials we have, but I think whether it's principles or something

[3:32:53] Voice 7: else that we've come back with, it's important that the community engagement through the First

[3:33:04] Voice 6: I chair Gabriel and the environment

[3:33:13] Voice 7: we're in today is challenging.

[3:33:20] Voice 7: And there's community distrust of our building relationships, which is sad to see.

[3:33:31] Voice 7: and

[3:33:33] Voice 7: but I think

[3:33:36] Voice 7: we can do better

[3:33:38] Voice 7: in having

[3:33:40] Voice 7: good communications and bringing the pieces

[3:33:43] Voice 7: together so that there's no

[3:33:45] Voice 7: surprise to the

[3:33:46] Voice 6: community, there's no surprise

[3:33:47] Voice 6: to the conversation, so kind of advancing it

[3:33:49] Voice 6: together and that's what I

[3:33:51] Voice 6: hear the words they say together

[3:33:52] Voice 6: walking together, working together

[3:33:54] Voice 6: so I think we're in

[3:33:57] Voice 6: a good position forward

[3:33:58] Voice 6: together so

[3:34:01] Voice 7: i don't want to say abandon

[3:34:04] Voice 7: them if principles and policies are pretty darn close to being

[3:34:09] Voice 7: similar things so it's it's it is trying to come around to some words that that describe what

[3:34:17] Voice 7: we're doing next um i understand we can't you know the time limit is a challenge so it's okay

[3:34:25] Voice 7: you have tough goals. We need to push ourselves and try to get some of that language because

[3:34:35] Voice 7: it's helpful. It will be helpful to keeping the project going because it finds out where

[3:34:44] Voice 7: we have agreement and where we don't. And that's equally important. We're trying to

[3:34:52] Voice 6: of buying

[3:34:52] Voice 6: this process, it's where we haven't been,

[3:34:54] Voice 7: is then we can move forward with the ..

[3:35:00] Voice 7: And so I know we're building this capacity ourselves

[3:35:06] Voice 7: as an organization.

[3:35:07] Voice 7: This is all new.

[3:35:08] Voice 7: I understand that.

[3:35:10] Voice 7: And I don't want to create a process that pens you in.

[3:35:15] Voice 7: You're going to be able to, you need

[3:35:17] Voice 7: to respond to circumstances and uh figure this out we're developing process sort of on the fly

[3:35:27] Voice 6: yes yeah we're amending so here's what our financial yeah and she's there in our time

[3:35:34] Voice 6: you

[3:35:34] Voice 18: know

[3:35:37] Voice 6: do you have any thoughts around this or i feel

[3:35:40] Voice 18: like i've got a railroad

[3:35:46] Voice 6: I'm sure you have thoughts I'd say from the other side staffs want to develop

[3:35:51] Voice 6: some kind of reaction to your resolutions and things like that that speaks to us I think from

[3:36:00] Voice 6: what I what I'm hearing both with the trustee management and trustee affairs have kind of like

[3:36:06] Voice 6: similar goals they want something to happen and it's just you know where that work should

[3:36:14] Voice 6: think we have right now but they're not uh sort of public behavior summaries like that to present

[3:36:21] Voice 6: sort of a graph set of principles as a question um within your turn um and then it also likely

[3:36:29] Voice 6: come back uh to the lscma that kind of map out a little maps to paris's uh kind of concerns and

[3:36:37] Voice 6: say look if we want to if it's in the lcc's interest if this is something else he wants to do

[3:36:42] Voice 6: We can put other aspects of the OCP aside, but I'll focus just on the housing area,

[3:36:47] Voice 6: then drop out some language in there as well as looking to amend this on the by-law.

[3:36:54] Voice 6: Again, I don't think we'll be able to put that off the by-law by the end of this term.

[3:36:59] I think that's something I trust the heirs is interested in.

[3:37:03] I think it would probably create

[3:37:07] Voice 6: an alternative policy, cause policy development.

[3:37:12] Voice 6: On other aspects, the OCP introduces smaller aspects of housing.

[3:37:17] Voice 6: Again, the initial concern with that is, you know, start with one stretch and the next

[3:37:24] Voice 6: you're going to put the sweater down.

[3:37:26] Voice 6: So that can be a little bit challenging to find one piece of the same assembly.

[3:37:34] Voice 6: But

[3:37:34] Voice 7: it does create

[3:37:35] Voice 6: a potentially bite-sized thing.

[3:37:36] Voice 6: I think the LTC is very interested in moving some piece of policy forward to make it look

[3:37:44] Again, I don't

[3:37:47] Voice 6: see a pathway to get a serial public so that that file can be adopted for the return, but getting to your point, setting the tone,

[3:37:56] Voice 7: what needs to come, what needs to be

[3:38:03] Voice 6: shooted out, again, we've reached this situation.

[3:38:08] Voice 6: So I'm saying this all specifically, and I think it's possible for it to happen, but I'm also aware that there's a lot of history here that I just might not understand.

[3:38:17] Voice 6: well i'd like to give you a little bit of history please if i could um earlier in the term

[3:38:23] Voice 6: bylaw 537 was something that was brought forward from a commission or a group of folks that was

[3:38:29] Voice 6: put together by the previous ltc um to try and address the housing issue that we've got it's

[3:38:34] Voice 6: been plaguing the community for a long time um and so you know fast forward i get involved and

[3:38:41] Voice 6: run in the election

[3:38:42] Voice 15: um my largest supporters are local first nations supported me financially

[3:38:47] Voice 15: and come out to vote and all the rest of it.

[3:38:49] Voice 15: There's plenty of local First Nations that live on the South.

[3:38:52] Voice 15: Their families have never left here for thousands of years.

[3:38:54] Voice 6: They blended with early settlers, and they're here.

[3:38:57] Voice 6: They're card-carrying status First Nations.

[3:39:01] Voice 6: Plenty of them came in with one of our largest LTC meetings,

[3:39:05] Voice 6: had a whole bunch of local First Nations in there in support of Bylaw 537.

[3:39:14] Voice 6: It seemed like a pretty cut and dry.

[3:39:18] Voice 6: But it didn't get passed.

[3:39:21] Voice 6: So we already had buy-in.

[3:39:24] Voice 6: And if I recall how it went, the First Nation was the couch and said it was of no consequence to them.

[3:39:34] Voice 6: So I think that we can do that.

[3:39:38] Voice 6: We should be able to do zoning.

[3:39:39] Voice 6: I don't see why we can't do the zoning.

[3:39:40] Voice 6: I really don't.

[3:39:43] Voice 6: That's the fact.

[3:39:45] Voice 8: Well, I still think the opportunity, whether it's zoning, I don't know what the option is related to the water.

[3:39:52] Voice 8: connections. That's where real solutions

[3:39:56] Voice 7: are sitting for now is

[3:40:00] Voice 7: what these

[3:40:00] Voice 8: connections have been made available, made unavailable.

[3:40:07] Voice 7: If we can't find a way for the house. So that that gets

[3:40:16] Voice 7: housing. It's housing connected water services, the best

[3:40:21] Voice 7: is possible in a nearer term sense but i think you know i think that's where there is a win-win

[3:40:30] Voice 7: that's possible well

[3:40:35] Voice 6: then we need to put zoning in that area that's not difficult

[3:40:39] Voice 6: we

[3:40:39] Voice 7: can

[3:40:41] Voice 18: i think we can provide you with greater definition around

[3:40:45] Voice 18: uh what takes maybe a community scan of how other communities manage water condition

[3:40:52] Voice 18: mentioned, it's kind of an asset advantage to water service providers and

[3:40:58] Voice 6: say, this is

[3:40:59] Voice 6: where the water will go. Work with them to say,

[3:41:01] Voice 18: this is where it's affordable. It's going

[3:41:03] Voice 18: to be nice and cheap, keeps the infrastructure in shape. If we can do that, that's ideal.

[3:41:13] Voice 18: So it's, yeah, we can provide those alternatives as well as some off ramps. We can provide

[3:41:20] Voice 18: a few ideas there at a

[3:41:21] Voice 6: high level um with a you know problem with a project charter to help us

[3:41:27] Voice 6: move forward in one sense or another or some piecemeal way uh with those pieces of support

[3:41:34] Voice 6: i think there's a few things there uh that we're looking at right

[3:41:38] Voice 6: pretty

[3:41:39] Voice 18: directly and some

[3:41:44] Voice 6: policy policies that they kind of depend on really by him and that's

[3:41:49] Voice 6: really where this ministry approval part really comes in any

[3:41:54] Voice 18: any zoning should be made you don't

[3:41:56] Voice 18: need to just throw it and

[3:41:58] Voice 6: we do have a budget here still like a large part portion of it

[3:42:15] Voice 6: all well aware is apportioned to first nations so relationship work can continue uh have options

[3:42:23] Voice 6: there um the breakthrough that's what

[3:42:28] Voice 6: the resources we have we're looking to be able to

[3:42:31] Voice 6: so what properties are we talking about i know we've looked at the map years ago now um we can't

[3:42:39] Voice 6: obviously do it on alr there's the coquinelle property that i believe we large buy it um

[3:42:46] Voice 6: and

[3:42:48] Voice 15: maybe the stuff on gamgees hill and yeah community buy-in that's what the election is

[3:42:53] Voice 15: about we got elected to do something so even if there's a half a room of people that's saying

[3:42:59] Voice 15: they don't want something but it's going to mean workforce housing you know i'll take that what

[3:43:04] Voice 15: do they say into consideration but then i have to look at the way what's better for the community

[3:43:09] Voice 15: we've been you know elected to make difficult decisions i'm more

[3:43:13] Voice 6: than prepared and i have been

[3:43:15] Voice 6: since the beginning of the term to make some difficult decisions we know what the you know

[3:43:18] Voice 6: we know what the problems are so you know again going back to the the

[3:43:23] Voice 15: water hookup stuff um sure

[3:43:25] Voice 15: that's great let's create zoning where we can then and no one will allow it and like quick like now

[3:43:31] Voice 15: um but again that goes back to that song there's a hole in my bucket your life because i'm here

[3:43:35] Voice 15: while it's alr and like i do there because the sewer sewage plant and all the rest of it like

[3:43:40] Voice 15: these are real things that we've talked about at the beginning of the term so we need to look at

[3:43:45] Voice 15: at additional zoning and rural areas

[3:43:49] Voice 6: that will allow for these projects.

[3:43:51] Voice 6: And again, look at the Whistler model

[3:43:55] Voice 6: and what that zone is.

[3:43:57] Voice 6: We're not reinventing the wheel.

[3:43:58] Voice 6: We don't

[3:43:58] Voice 15: have to even look

[3:43:59] Voice 6: at the nonprofit department.

[3:44:01] Voice 6: We just create the zone.

[3:44:03] Voice 6: That's what's our job and what your job is.

[3:44:06] Voice 6: Right.

[3:44:07] Voice 6: So just to clarify, Mr. Chair,

[3:44:10] Voice 6: the process we do is small zoning applications

[3:44:17] Voice 6: look at the OCP carefully, make sure that we're not writing a foul policies. So the idea of upzoning

[3:44:24] Voice 6: certain areas is a good one, but there's, you have to consider the OCP, you have to make sure that you consider, hence amending the housing section of the OCP.

[3:44:43] Voice 6: Any amendment if you want to change housing to that, any amendment to the OCP is still required just to go with the flow of gamut of procedures.

[3:44:56] Voice 18: You may not engage as on a minor change to the OCP, but a sectional change, and I think certainly on the theme

[3:45:05] Voice 6: of, you know, the primary concern,

[3:45:08] It's a well-acknowledged fact here that the primary concern

[3:45:12] Voice 6: with this document on the

[3:45:14] Voice 6: island is housing.

[3:45:16] Voice 6: So any issues with the housing section, certainly with regards to the HCP.

[3:45:21] Voice 6: And I do think that there is still, I mean, my sense is that there's still, housing is

[3:45:27] Voice 6: the most important thing, but there isn't a complete disregard for environment or enjoyability.

[3:45:35] Voice 6: Well, there isn't because the island has been protected.

[3:45:37] Voice 6: over 30 percent of the island is protected right now there's more trees here now than there was

[3:45:42] Voice 6: 30 years ago the trees are bigger than they were 30 years ago so the whole place was clear-cut at

[3:45:47] Voice 6: that time minus a little bit of old but everything you see most of the stuff even further this bigger

[3:45:51] Voice 6: all second growth and many of a lot of the infrastructure is getting overgrown and it's

[3:45:55] Voice 6: going to be a problem in the future so taking some trees out isn't a big deal yeah maybe we

[3:46:00] Voice 6: have to make those decisions some may not like it as we know but you know this is why i see these

[3:46:05] Voice 6: These other, you know, then I hear, again, when I hear the other hand, I go, hey, we need housing.

[3:46:09] Voice 6: And then the other hand, I've seen and heard people pushing new development permit areas to inhibit any trees being taken out.

[3:46:17] Voice 15: And everyone knows how hard they fought against the CDM that was pushed last term and managed to get some traction with that.

[3:46:21] Voice 15: So now these new DPAs

[3:46:22] Voice 6: are being brought in to back road around the CDMFBS, pardon the word, that was attempted and proven to be wrong.

[3:46:32] Voice 6: um so you know again i'm not worried about a few trees there's more here than there was 30 years

[3:46:39] Voice 6: ago plenty of people can't see their view anymore because it's all grown up you know we're not going

[3:46:43] Voice 6: to rewild the place as you know

[3:46:45] Voice 15: lots of wanted to do and so i'm saying

[3:46:48] Voice 15: we should depopulate

[3:46:50] Voice 15: you know i'm not of that ideology so

[3:46:55] Voice 4: i just want to check back in with

[3:46:58] Voice 6: staff in terms of

[3:47:00] Voice 6: um i've been having this discussion a little over an hour now um what would you like to get out of

[3:47:10] Voice 6: this discussion today um do you think that's achievable uh what type of direction um i mean

[3:47:24] Voice 4: not a bad discussion at all but relatively freewheeling

[3:47:27] Voice 6: in terms of staff direction

[3:47:29] Voice 6: um so i just wanted to check back in yeah and see what i think would be useful

[3:47:38] Voice 6: uh again research reiterated resolution that provides good direction to staff at the next

[3:47:46] Voice 6: lcc meeting here's where we want to see a clear work plan that achieves this by the end of the

[3:47:53] Voice 2: term or

[3:47:53] Voice 6: a pathway to achieving that at the end of the term or whatever else is that the lgc is kind

[3:48:02] Voice 6: of interested in having happen i think probably it's deliverable the staff would be able to bring

[3:48:09] Voice 6: back uh by next uh next meeting a pathway to get into the outcome that the office wants to see

[3:48:17] Voice 6: so there's there's a way to craft a resolution that provides that direction

[3:48:26] Voice 6: can we say the ltc or i move that the ltc halt the ocp lub project and focus or

[3:48:39] Voice 15: and create um

[3:48:40] Voice 6: and

[3:48:41] Voice 15: focus on the the housing section of the ocp like

[3:48:45] Voice 6: to

[3:48:46] Voice 4: allow for such and such

[3:48:50] Voice 4: i just say i mean i would caution using halting the project i think maybe refocus

[3:48:58] Voice 9: would be i'm just thinking in terms of trust council budgeting

[3:49:03] Voice 9: um we don't want to get ourselves into a resource situation

[3:49:06] Voice 5: so i'd be cautious about halting

[3:49:11] Voice 5: i i i think some

[3:49:14] Voice 4: kind of a refocus language might be more useful but that makes sense

[3:49:18] Voice 4: i

[3:49:19] Voice 6: have a graph i have a graphic share staff yesterday for there's lots of elements to it

[3:49:25] Voice 6: so i just sent it to lisa i had that be um on the correct staff prioritize delivery the following

[3:49:37] Voice 6: was the update for the outcomes by september and the first one being a graph of five or ten

[3:49:44] Voice 6: foundational principles guide

[3:49:46] Voice 7: the objectives of policies we updated and the second one was

[3:49:52] Voice 7: proposed

[3:49:52] Voice 8: bylaws uh targeting but

[3:49:56] Voice 7: in parentheses uh

[3:49:58] Voice 6: for policy direction and regulatory options

[3:50:01] Voice 6: to prioritize allocation of water services in the Ganges Village area for housing forms

[3:50:08] Voice 6: that identify affordable housing.

[3:50:14] Voice 6: That doesn't tell you that it's only your notices, but leaving the door

[3:50:19] Voice 6: wide open still

[3:50:20] Voice 6: that your research is going to find what you

[3:50:22] Voice 7: can do to prioritize those connections.

[3:50:29] Voice 7: I

[3:50:36] Voice 8: did. I mean, I have a second piece here is to ensure the development of these outcomes needs to be informed by the meaningful and ongoing engagement of First Nations.

[3:50:51] Voice 7: It was supported by a clearing that we still have not seen an engagement plan.

[3:50:56] Voice 7: Our very first terms of reference we passed here is that separate First Nations engagement plan was coming.

[3:51:07] Voice 8: And then there's all the completed work to date, including the

[3:51:11] Voice 6: technical studies, data summaries,

[3:51:15] Voice 7: you know, needs to be shared.

[3:51:27] Voice 18: It's probably best to say that. I think there's kind of been two general time zones there.

[3:51:34] Voice 18: I'd say that is the September

[3:51:38] Voice 6: time zone and just the May time zone.

[3:51:41] Voice 6: So that's right.

[3:51:42] Voice 6: The third time, please first project

[3:51:48] Voice 6: each time zone for electric.

[3:51:50] Voice 7: Yes, I understand that.

[3:51:56] Voice 18: It might be best at this point.

[3:52:00] Voice 18: I understand it.

[3:52:01] Voice 18: But I think you said to bring back the report.

[3:52:03] Voice 8: I have direct for May.

[3:52:05] Voice 8: It'd be nice to get a work plan and timeline

[3:52:07] Voice 8: for achieving some outcomes and a status

[3:52:12] Voice 8: update on all the deliverables that have come in.

[3:52:18] Voice 8: what's happening kind of where where are we in the project in your minds you know because we don't

[3:52:24] Voice 8: really have you gave us process options so a lot of milestones are finished but

[3:52:30] Voice 7: we don't have sort

[3:52:30] Voice 7: of that reset this is the long-term project um we don't know i we didn't manage the consultant

[3:52:38] Voice 7: so i don't know how successful the consultant was wanted them to do at this point in time

[3:52:47] Voice 7: versus what you got versus what's what's outstanding so like i i don't have that so

[3:52:56] Voice 7: i think that would be a useful piece of information to reset recalibrate the project based on

[3:53:03] Voice 7: what you have where you're going what you're recommending needs to be done those are the

[3:53:08] Voice 7: longer term that's that's finishing the project we started so you're right there's lots of

[3:53:19] Voice 6: yeah uh i'm afraid of um getting staff too confused with too much stuff um trust our

[3:53:29] Voice 6: chair peterson had a great word you know refocus the ocp can be amended physically

[3:53:39] Voice 15: like looking at

[3:53:40] Voice 15: it and there's the wording it could be done you know easily in a day easily

[3:53:45] Voice 6: could be amended to

[3:53:48] Voice 6: to facilitate something along the lines of bylaw 537,

[3:53:53] Voice 6: something that will allow for workforce ownership housing

[3:53:56] Voice 6: and whatever zoning configuration we want to put it in.

[3:54:00] Voice 6: That's covenanted for workforce ownership housing

[3:54:03] Voice 6: in the building strata,

[3:54:04] Voice 6: similar to neighboring jurisdictions

[3:54:06] Voice 6: that's been proven to work.

[3:54:09] Voice 6: Physically, it can be done and out.

[3:54:10] Voice 6: So it could be brought to us in May for a first reading.

[3:54:14] Voice 6: Procedurally, that's how we can do it.

[3:54:16] Voice 6: and so I proposed

[3:54:18] Voice 6: that's what we did we asked staff to do that

[3:54:20] Voice 6: not throw all this other stuff

[3:54:22] Voice 6: you know whatever it is my eyes start to

[3:54:24] Voice 6: glaze over and I'm not sure what staff

[3:54:26] Voice 6: hears but

[3:54:27] Voice 6: you know let's refocus like trustee

[3:54:30] Voice 6: Peterson says there's money for it

[3:54:33] Voice 6: should have been done

[3:54:33] Voice 6: first month that we were in

[3:54:40] Voice 6: that's what I'd like to see I'd be happy to make

[3:54:41] Voice 6: a motion if the staff would be willing to

[3:54:44] Voice 6: put a motion on the screen to that

[3:54:45] Voice 6: effect is what I was saying

[3:54:47] Voice 6: is it clear or do I sound like

[3:54:55] Voice 6: The motion has been carried by the staff,

[3:55:04] Voice 4: focusing

[3:55:05] Voice 6: the direction of what to focus on.

[3:55:13] Voice 4: Lisa, go ahead.

[3:55:17] Voice 17: This staff member speaking cannot be heard.

[3:55:21] Voice 4: Oh, Peter, you're going to need to speak up.

[3:55:25] Voice 6: well we don't have the information before us today to be making any decisions regarding

[3:55:32] Voice 6: long-term aspects of the project you

[3:55:35] Voice 7: have some of

[3:55:35] Voice 6: that so that's why i think your comments of

[3:55:40] Voice 7: three dimensions is

[3:55:41] Voice 6: is correct sure you need direction

[3:55:44] Voice 8: from us on what to bring back in

[3:55:46] Voice 8: may that clarifies what what we're doing i don't think we are going to have consensus on

[3:55:52] Voice 8: an outcome other than potential consensus on say reducing the water connection

[3:55:58] Voice 7: issue with north

[3:56:00] Voice 8: salt spring directed at where

[3:56:03] Voice 7: the housing would go so

[3:56:09] Voice 18: mr chair yes if i could propose

[3:56:12] Voice 18: so um so it's at the ltc request staff prioritize delivery to follow the cplap project outcome

[3:56:24] Voice 18: uh uh item related problems one provide final reporting on what was received by the project

[3:56:32] Voice 18: consultant by the materials to you uh an updated project work plan charter includes uh what we can

[3:56:41] do in

[3:56:42] Voice 18: the next six months uh or new

[3:56:45] Voice 18: by september but that's how we want to award that uh proposed

[3:56:48] Voice 6: Opposed by-law and policy tools for prioritization of water allocation in the Ganges area for affordable workforce housing.

[3:56:58] Voice 6: Not just Ganges area. Like, I don't get that.

[3:57:02] Voice 8: It's the North Salt Spring. It's right now. Right now, the opportunity is the North Salt Spring water.

[3:57:06] Voice 6: Well, that can be part of it, but not just the Ganges. Like, we need to put it in, you know, across the island, basically.

[3:57:14] Voice 16: That's the OCP project.

[3:57:17] Voice 16: no

[3:57:17] Voice 6: that's the amending of the housing section of the ocp well it's like it's more than that

[3:57:24] Voice 6: it's addressing

[3:57:25] Voice 18: all designations uh in zones right are drafted in a way that's moderate

[3:57:32] are our distributions uh draft in the way that sort of doesn't it doesn't need to be that

[3:57:39] Voice 6: really included in traps essentially you have some challenges around that for the policy show

[3:57:43] Voice 6: and then and then finally for the staff sure that uh development of outcomes uh formed by first

[3:57:53] Voice 6: nation plan of course uh those

[3:57:58] Voice 18: are kind of the points are there points missing from that

[3:58:02] Voice 18: well

[3:58:03] Voice 8: i still think that what what we call either the i think working toward this we sort of found

[3:58:09] Voice 8: in absence of

[3:58:11] Voice 7: seeing what we passed and some of the foundational because that's even though it's

[3:58:15] Voice 7: only in a short period i don't want to force the

[3:58:21] Voice 6: engagement with the first nation but we should

[3:58:23] Voice 6: have been having engagement we had engagement

[3:58:26] Voice 6: we had engagement in the election local first nations

[3:58:29] Voice 6: supported one of these trustees to a huge degree you know i

[3:58:34] Voice 6: just want to

[3:58:34] Voice 5: bring us back to trying

[3:58:36] Voice 5: to get something something for staff to work on out of today well

[3:58:41] Voice 18: clearly what i'm going to get

[3:58:46] Voice 6: I'm not surprised because it hasn't this whole term.

[3:58:49] Voice 6: Or did it in the beginnings of the term.

[3:58:51] Voice 6: Other than a little bit of buy-in from Stephan at the beginning.

[3:58:54] Voice 6: They said, oh, yeah, we can do that.

[3:58:55] Voice 6: And then I heard, whoa, whoa, whoa, can't do it.

[3:59:01] Voice 6: So, you know what?

[3:59:04] Voice 4: I just don't see that talking this out.

[3:59:08] Voice 6: You're not interested in anything I have to say.

[3:59:12] Voice 6: You haven't been the whole term.

[3:59:20] Voice 7: I'm happy to hold off on the principles until we see the job. I understand it's a hard thing.

[3:59:26] Voice 7: So I think the deliverables,

[3:59:31] Voice 8: you're narrowing it

[3:59:32] Voice 7: down to make it sound good.

[3:59:34] Voice 8: And then we

[3:59:35] Voice 8: can revisit

[3:59:36] Voice 7: once we see the information we have is is there is this still

[3:59:45] Voice 6: a valid exercise to do

[3:59:47] Voice 6: so i i can find an approach so i think i like where you're going okay that's

[3:59:54] Voice 18: what i'm trying

[3:59:54] Voice 6: What I feel I'm hearing is that there's a desire for this to be a little bigger.

[4:00:00] Voice 6: give you the materials, but also take it on a shot at assuming what your demands are going to be.

[4:00:10] Voice 6: Be strong in the direction that you'd love to respond to.

[4:00:13] Voice 6: Yes.

[4:00:14] Voice 6: Okay.

[4:00:14] Voice 6: Yeah. What are some achievable outcomes,

[4:00:19] Voice 5: potentially achievable outcomes in the next six months?

[4:00:22] Voice 5: So there's a-

[4:00:23] Voice 5: And

[4:00:23] Voice 8: without losing, we're not asking, we want to keep our eye on the bigger project,

[4:00:27] Voice 8: but we've got to say, what can we do in the next six months that-

[4:00:30] Voice 18: Yeah. Procedurally, one of the things that sort of complicates this, it doesn't complicate it, but it just turns like how quickly we develop products

[4:00:41] Voice 6: to bring it back to me.

[4:00:43] Voice 6: It's, you know, we want to bring it back to training.

[4:00:45] We wanted to get this before the, we'll thank you for materials.

[4:00:49] I think what, what McElhinney provided us with through the PAPC as it's been our procedure to date.

[4:00:57] Voice 18: Is there a desire to send the entire project plan to them, like prior to LPC, given that

[4:01:07] Voice 18: we're looking for a bigger split?

[4:01:09] Voice 18: Like that's a big question.

[4:01:19] Voice 18: Yeah.

[4:01:25] Voice 18: You know, it's just really like if staff develops something that's really not on this LPC, are

[4:01:32] Voice 18: Are we going out with it, you know, and, you know, if it's on the agenda next week, then it's, you know, we're going to talk about it right away.

[4:01:40] If we really miss the boat, that's fine, right?

[4:01:43] And if it's, you know, but like, if

[4:01:46] Voice 6: it's out there with

[4:01:47] Voice 18: PAPC timing, it puts it out there for a month.

[4:01:51] Voice 18: So those are the challenges I just want to highlight.

[4:01:56] Voice 18: Ensuring that there's a, you know, we're improving confidence and stability.

[4:02:04] Voice 8: My only concern is, you know, when the draft gap assessment went to PAVC, it was then sent

[4:02:14] Voice 8: out, got into the hands of some people in the public who then took every error that

[4:02:18] Voice 8: was in their draft, put it out into the community, made the division worse.

[4:02:24] Voice 8: And that's what I don't have.

[4:02:26] Voice 8: I don't know what's

[4:02:28] Voice 6: in these documents.

[4:02:28] Voice 6: I comb through them.

[4:02:30] Voice 6: they're not really there or sort of have issues well that's why they're not here today we haven't

[4:02:35] Voice 6: gone through them

[4:02:36] Voice 8: well that's that's my you know the because the the intent from the the advisor

[4:02:42] Voice 8: planning commission is that they're working for us yeah but

[4:02:46] Voice 8: it doesn't work for us when it goes

[4:02:48] Voice 7: out into the atmosphere with some other you know it takes us further away from there so that's my

[4:02:56] Voice 7: only concern is you know they need clear direction

[4:03:00] Voice 6: as to what you're asking

[4:03:02] Voice 7: to look at yeah and um

[4:03:05] Voice 7: and i think that the community

[4:03:07] Voice 8: needs to understand where we're hoping hoping to get

[4:03:11] Voice 8: we want this project to be on solid good ground to keep going it's going to go past the turn

[4:03:17] Voice 8: i've known that for a long time um but

[4:03:22] Voice 7: what can we get in place before september that also puts

[4:03:25] Voice 7: puts us in a good place and keeps the communities centralized

[4:03:29] Voice 7: that

[4:03:30] Voice 8: this isn't extremes.

[4:03:32] Voice 7: They

[4:03:33] Voice 6: can have all the extreme conversations they want.

[4:03:37] Voice 6: Material set in a solid,

[4:03:39] Voice 7: good direction.

[4:03:41] Voice 7: OK, so

[4:03:45] Voice 18: I'm going to take it that we're

[4:03:47] Voice 18: going to present exactly the documents here,

[4:03:49] Voice 18: recognizing that this is pretty foundational stuff.

[4:03:52] Voice 18: Like the project charter itself is how this could go, right?

[4:03:55] Voice 18: Right. And so the idea that, you know, staff are dictating how this

[4:03:59] Voice 6: is going to go,

[4:03:59] Voice 18: it

[4:03:59] Voice 6: might be a challenge.

[4:04:02] Voice 6: So maybe we can come back to get some LPC buy-in on steps that we're going to take.

[4:04:11] Voice 6: That's probably that fair assumption.

[4:04:15] Voice 6: It seems like you

[4:04:17] Voice 18: can certainly take it out afterwards, like take it to them afterwards.

[4:04:24] Voice 6: Just get some comment, find them on it.

[4:04:27] Voice 6: team. So we're here on these other aspects of it. If LTC wants to get going

[4:04:37] Voice 18: on, you know,

[4:04:39] Voice 18: us to research and presentation, probably a community engagement feedback.

[4:04:57] Voice 6: Yeah,

[4:04:58] Voice 7: I mean, I'm not, we're not working in the fringes. I know we're working in the good place

[4:05:06] Voice 7: moving this community forward that honors all the requirements upon us so did you make the

[4:05:21] Voice 7: change to that motion I

[4:05:27] Voice 18: think the key is that we're not too worried about I just said it

[4:05:30] Voice 18: so I can leave it or Ms. Miller do you mind you have to

[4:05:35] Voice 6: make a change to the I center what I have

[4:05:37] Voice 6: um

[4:05:38] Voice 17: through the chair I'll put up what I think the RPM said um and I've also got what you sent

[4:05:46] Voice 17: uh trustee patrick he

[4:05:48] Voice 8: picked from mine yep he built off of the one yes one moment please

[4:06:51] Voice 6: They're stopping, so you stop missing them when you're out in there.

[4:07:02] Voice 7: And the focus

[4:07:03] Voice 7: language, I'm sorry.

[4:07:17] Voice 6: We're just having to prioritize that it will take

[4:07:25] Voice 7: from five to ten.

[4:07:42] Voice 18: Mr. Chair.

[4:07:46] Voice 18: Yes.

[4:07:46] Voice 18: I think maybe what we need here is just to have an additional bullet here that says an updated project plan.

[4:07:51] Voice 18: It's just for the OCPOA project, right?

[4:07:54] Voice 18: Yeah.

[4:07:54] Voice 18: And then it might regulations.

[4:08:00] Voice 18: Regulatory tools are

[4:08:02] Voice 6: ingredients, etc. I think we need to do a little bit of research on what those bylaws policy.

[4:08:10] Voice 6: Well,

[4:08:10] Voice 7: that's why I put policy direction and regulatory options or tools, whatever.

[4:08:18] Voice 7: Whatever

[4:08:19] Voice 6: word you want.

[4:08:19] Voice 6: You need an updated project plan for the OSMPLG project and if there's other projects such as a water regulation project that's a separate project plan,

[4:08:30] Voice 18: you can share that.

[4:08:36] Voice 6: Lisa can't hear you.

[4:08:38] Voice 6: You

[4:08:39] Voice 18: can't hear me? So we're looking on Twitter. Can you hear me, Lisa?

[4:08:44] Voice 16: Yes, I can.

[4:08:46] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:08:49] Voice 18: Okay, Lisa, did you catch what I said there?

[4:08:52] Voice 16: Could you repeat it, please?

[4:08:53] Voice 16: sure

[4:08:54] Voice 18: so i think it's a bullet b is an updated project plan uh for the ocp led project and then

[4:09:03] Voice 18: so and then a separate bullet so you can push out here and put you keep that as a separate another

[4:09:15] Voice 18: project plan for that basically there'd be recommendations yeah on i would say instead

[4:09:30] Voice 18: of proposed bylaws potential regulation policy

[4:09:35] Voice 6: direction could be policy direction too yeah on

[4:09:39] Voice 18: regulation of policy yeah potential regulation or policy and at that point you might as well

[4:09:45] Voice 18: go targeting like endorsement uh whether it's whether it's red or uh you know if it's endorsed

[4:09:55] Voice 18: by lpc like so it's pretty reading computer essentially i

[4:09:59] Voice 7: i i just threw that in there

[4:10:01] Voice 7: because i like bolts if

[4:10:03] Voice 18: there's bylaw tools to do so it's it's beautiful uh but if it's you know

[4:10:07] Voice 18: there's also yeah

[4:10:09] Voice 7: no no let's let's yeah i was pushing potential regulation so

[4:10:15] Voice 18: trust so ms

[4:10:16] Voice 18: miller that if you could take out the instead of targeting three readings just targeting um

[4:10:23] Voice 18: ltc endorsement that's

[4:10:42] Voice 6: great three options nice yeah

[4:10:47] Voice 18: you can take out potential regulate on

[4:10:51] Voice 18: potentially you

[4:10:52] Voice 7: need to say recommendations just for policy direction regulatory

[4:10:59] Voice 7: options options yes to prioritize allocation so just

[4:11:11] Voice 8: get rid of the first on potential regulation

[4:11:40] Voice 7: staff passing now

[4:11:41] Voice 6: oh yeah

[4:11:43] Voice 6: uh just engaging with first nations

[4:11:52] Voice 8: I

[4:11:56] Voice 18: would just say further that staff ensure development of outcomes informed by First

[4:12:00] Voice 18: Nations engagement in the implementation of the plan.

[4:12:05] Voice 6: Pullet C.

[4:12:08] Voice 6: C, which would be D?

[4:12:11] Voice 7: Yeah.

[4:12:12] Voice 7: Second C.

[4:12:16] Voice 7: C2.

[4:12:17] Voice 7: Do you

[4:12:22] Voice 17: repeat that, please?

[4:12:23] Voice 18: So the last bullet should be further that staff ensure development

[4:12:29] Voice 9: of outcomes informed

[4:12:30] Voice 9: informed by First Nations engagement and the First Nations engagement plan a

[4:12:36] Voice 17: little bit slower please

[4:12:38] Voice 18: further that staff ensure development outcomes is informed by First Nations engagement

[4:13:02] Voice 18: or engagement First Nations and an engagement First Nations engagement plan

[4:13:24] Voice 18: and a first date just the name i think they're awesome are

[4:13:34] Voice 4: we there are there enough

[4:13:40] i

[4:13:42] Voice 7: think that that that that make that's good and then we'll have materials so i can read our folks

[4:14:01] Voice 7: oh we should

[4:14:02] Voice 8: make it make the motion i know that the salt spring island local trust many

[4:14:07] Voice 8: request staff to provide reporting on a what was received from the project consultants

[4:14:13] Voice 8: b an updated project plan with the ocp land use by law project c recommendations targeting

[4:14:21] Voice 8: the global trust committee endorsement for policy direction and regulatory options prioritize

[4:14:27] Voice 8: allocation of water servicing within the ganges village area for housing forms that meet identified

[4:14:33] Voice 8: by community needs, including affordable workforce housing.

[4:14:36] Voice 8: Dean, further that staff ensure development outcomes

[4:14:43] Voice 8: is informed by First Nations engagement,

[4:14:45] Voice 8: First Nations engagement plan.

[4:14:49] Voice 4: So moved, I'll second the motion.

[4:14:52] Voice 4: Discussion?

[4:14:56] Voice 4: I'll call the question, all those in favor?

[4:14:59] Voice 4: And that carries.

[4:15:02] Voice 4: Okay, that was fun, yes.

[4:15:09] Voice 4: Anything further on this item?

[4:15:16] Voice 7: No, I mean, I do appreciate the effort. I think what's important, this has always been a solid project, which is, and it's, please bring ideas and thoughts to the table. I would say, you know, you're sitting around having coffee and talking, and you guys always have some good ideas.

[4:15:35] Voice 7: is don't be afraid to bring the phone we want to hear your ideas that helps us communicate good

[4:15:42] Voice 7: ideas too so this is sort of a team effort and we do want to hear your ideas you're new to the

[4:15:49] Voice 7: project and bringing new eyes all

[4:15:58] Voice 4: righty no new

[4:16:01] Voice 4: business today now we have 17.1 policy and

[4:16:07] Voice 4: standing resolutions for information open

[4:16:11] Voice 6: applications report page 275 anything on that

[4:16:18] Voice 6: i'm seeing any and

[4:16:20] Voice 9: we have the expense report uh page 298. if you're not promotion closer

[4:16:27] Voice 9: duty i'm going to recommend that we uh reference upcoming meeting first and close the meeting

[4:16:33] Voice 9: um and in reference the upcoming meeting this is scheduled it's actually

[4:16:40] Voice 6: scheduled for 12

[4:16:41] Voice 6: 1230 on May 14, despite what it says here in the agenda package.

[4:16:46] Voice 6: It says 1230.

[4:16:47] Voice 6: Oh, I've got one that says 930.

[4:16:51] Voice 8: Mine says 1230.

[4:16:52] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:16:53] Voice 5: Well, as long as we're all on the 1230 page, that's good.

[4:16:57] Voice 4: So then we

[4:16:58] Voice 6: do have a motion here to close the meeting.

[4:17:04] Voice 7: I

[4:17:04] Voice 8: move that the meeting be proposed to the public in accordance with the

[4:17:07] Voice 8: Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91,

[4:17:11] Voice 8: need one for the purpose of considering litigation or potential litigation affecting the local trust

[4:17:17] Voice 8: committee uh the receipt and advice that is subject

[4:17:19] Voice 7: to solicitor client privilege including

[4:17:21] Voice 7: communications necessary for that purpose and then the proportion of staff thanks i'll second

[4:17:27] Voice 4: the motion any discussion

[4:17:29] Voice 7: to

[4:17:30] Voice 4: me i'll call the question all in favor that motion carries we'll

[4:17:34] Voice 4: We'll take a moment to

[4:17:35] Voice 6: hear the venue.