Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, November 18, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 3: welcome everybody to the meeting of the gambier island local trust committee this is november 8th

[0:00:08] Voice 3: and we're getting started in a state of corporate as you can tell from our masks we're meeting in

[0:00:12] Voice 3: the north vancouver uh john braithwaite community center and uh we're holding this meeting online

[0:00:20] Voice 3: online over zoom as well as in person and we've got one person in the live audience with us

[0:00:28] Voice 3: Yes, and an unknown number of people may be watching on the live stream.

[0:00:33] Voice 3: So I'm going to get us going here, call the meeting to order.

[0:00:38] Voice 3: I just want to say first that I'd like to acknowledge that we're meeting on the territory

[0:00:43] Voice 3: of several First Nations.

[0:00:48] Voice 3: That's the Squamish Nation, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh.

[0:00:52] Voice 3: And we're very fortunate to be able to live here and acknowledge the stewardship through the millennia, and especially in these weather events, to live in a stable climate, in a sustainable way, is a wonderful thing, and I look forward to a better future.

[0:01:18] Voice 3: I'm going to call a meeting to order officially here. Anything to add to the agenda?

[0:01:23] Voice 3: I'm going to approve the agenda by consent.

[0:01:28] Voice 3: said okay i'd just like to introduce the people that are here um sorry i'm way off my notes here

[0:01:35] Voice 3: let me find my regular sort of notes um first we've got uh trustee kate lee stamford gonna be

[0:01:42] Voice 3: your island got trustee dan rogers keith's island we've got regional planning manager heather car

[0:01:50] Voice 3: over here beside me and as staff or expert staff and uh and i'm suela fast from bowen island also

[0:01:59] Voice 3: known as Nuclearequa and our agenda today is not a long agenda but it's an

[0:02:07] Voice 3: interesting one and we have a great schedule from 12.15 to 12.45 and I don't think we've got a closed meeting, no we don't have a closed meeting today and I'd like to start then if we've approved the agenda by consent with the

[0:02:25] Voice 3: rise of report which is just to say that we on October 14th we held a closed

[0:02:30] Voice 3: meeting and we appointed people to the working group for the official

[0:02:35] Voice 3: community plan targeted and they've been alerted by email so I won't read out all

[0:02:43] Voice 3: the names. Trustee reports who'd like to start? Yeah I can start thank you I'd

[0:02:56] Voice 3: I'd like to start, we attended as a local trust committee

[0:03:00] Voice 3: and as part of Islands Trust,

[0:03:02] Voice 3: joint Sunshine Coast Regional District Islands Trust meeting

[0:03:06] Voice 3: on October 8th.

[0:03:09] Voice 3: A number of items were discussed and we have notes for that.

[0:03:14] Voice 3: Those notes, it's okay that I send them out, Heather?

[0:03:17] Voice 3: Or is there a reason why I shouldn't send them out?

[0:03:20] Voice 3: The joint S-E-R-D-I.

[0:03:23] Voice 3: No, that's okay.

[0:03:24] Voice 3: Okay, great.

[0:03:25] Voice 3: So I will just condense them a little bit and send those out.

[0:03:31] Voice 3: October 22nd, I presented along with my fellow trustees to the House Sound meeting.

[0:03:40] Voice 3: My portion of the presentation was on the House Conservancy.

[0:03:44] Voice 3: It was nice to see everybody around the House Sound.

[0:03:47] Voice 3: It was our first in-person meeting in almost two years.

[0:03:51] Voice 3: So it's really nice to have that sense of somewhat normalcy.

[0:03:57] Voice 3: I attended the Regional Planning and Financial Committee's meetings.

[0:04:01] Voice 3: There's a couple of past weeks, and we're right into our budget planning and the challenges around keeping that budget as low as possible.

[0:04:16] Voice 3: The Regional Planning Committee, we're focusing on moving forward on our freshwater sustainability strategy.

[0:04:24] Voice 3: and just in general the local Gannier community had to commend them. We're

[0:04:32] Voice 3: continuing to help each other out through the various weather systems that

[0:04:38] Voice 3: keep coming through and damage roads. There was a fire a couple of days ago

[0:04:43] Voice 3: and our new fire truck was was implemented and responded well. It was

[0:04:50] Voice 3: just a small fire so that wasn't a huge concern um and now the new brighton doc committee is

[0:04:59] Voice 3: beginning to meet again after a six-month hiatus and is looking at more advocacy to the scrd

[0:05:07] Voice 3: and um looking at more i can finalize long-term plans for the new brighton thank you for the doc

[0:05:15] Voice 3: yeah thank you any questions for the trustee dan rogers from keats thanks

[0:05:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): very much so i'm

[0:05:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to run over a bit of the same territory but a different perspective my activities since

[0:05:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): the last time we were together which was october the 14th it's noticeable that it's quite a

[0:05:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): different environment mr shepherd is here with us we have one member from keats as opposed to the

[0:05:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): 60 plus that we had uh the last time we were together on october um it was great to see

[0:05:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): everyone i have sent out some reporting on that and we'll send out more as we keep going

[0:05:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so on october the 18th i also joined the scrd meeting it was good to see the folks

[0:06:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the scrd has um we haven't had a lot of interaction with the cao there yet yet but he

[0:06:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): was in the meeting for at least the first hour but they had another meeting to go to after that

[0:06:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): we met the new um director i think she is our manager of uh community services i think that's

[0:06:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): her title yeah yeah general manager community services which is great to have met her because

[0:06:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh she's responsible for uh many of the services that we have uh on the islands including uh

[0:06:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): i did including the ports the docks uh and i gathered the parks which i didn't know

[0:06:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): i didn't catch but i learned later that she's also responsible for that

[0:06:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): not the water system in eastbourne but but but those we talked about a variety of things that

[0:06:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): have been raised by thank you to all the folks on um the uh gavier keats and thornby and other

[0:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): and other places that raised issues that they they wanted us to raise with the strd and we

[0:07:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): did talk about mall we had a quite extensive agenda um and so i was waiting for the notes

[0:07:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): to come out and now that they're here before i did a report back on the the items that were

[0:07:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): discussed but i believe there's some action items there in terms of communication and in terms of

[0:07:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): services that are important so that was a useful two hours and thanks to regional planning manager

[0:07:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): for cower and uh the island's trust cao for being there through the meeting of course the three of

[0:07:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): us were all there as well so it was a useful meeting um and then on the 22nd uh the house

[0:07:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): sound forum thank you to bowen and to uh sue allen and all her her co um you're not trustees

[0:07:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're counselors uh and the mayor for welcoming us to bone island it was great to be all together

[0:07:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): I also presented, as did Chair Fast and the whole of the local trust committee, made a

[0:07:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): presentation related to what's going on at the Islands Trust on a larger basis, and I

[0:08:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): presented on the trust policy statement, the review that's going.

[0:08:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was interesting.

[0:08:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): I thought it was kind of dry, but I had a number of people come up to me afterwards

[0:08:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and indicate to me that they thought it was an interesting presentation, the complications

[0:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we the complications that the allen's trust has in terms of the variety of areas we cover the

[0:08:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): issues that we follow uh so that was uh useful two hours and thanks to regional planning manager

[0:08:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): cower and uh the island's trust cao for being there through the meeting of course the three

[0:08:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): of us were all there as well so it was a useful meeting um and then on the 22nd uh the house

[0:08:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): sound forum thank you to bowen and to uh sue allen and all her her co um you're not trustees

[0:08:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're counselors uh and the mayor for welcoming us to bone island it was great to be all together

[0:08:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): i also presented as did uh chair faster the whole of the trust committee made a presentation related

[0:09:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): to uh what's going on in island's trust from a larger basis and i presented on the policy

[0:09:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): policy statement the review that's going um it was interestingly i thought it was kind of dry

[0:09:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): but i had a number of people come up to me afterwards and indicate to me that they were

[0:09:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): they thought it was it was an interesting presentation the things that we the complications

[0:09:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the allen's trust has in terms of the variety of areas we cover the issues that we follow

[0:09:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): one more thing is uh was that on november the 5th this will be of some interest to those on

[0:09:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): particularly on keats i met with the keats sub representative of the keats conservation groups

[0:09:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and representatives of the scrd parks department uh the manager and uh coordinator regarding the

[0:09:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): damage that's going on uh on the paths and the road the paths down and the foreshore at west

[0:09:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): beach which is the major beach on in east horn um we met on the beach for a couple of hours

[0:10:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): showed them the damage, showed them the problems.

[0:10:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's uphill water coming down.

[0:10:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's both coming through the ground and running along the ground.

[0:10:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's pretty uncontrolled.

[0:10:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): The SCRD has not ever put any infrastructure in there to help try to mitigate this problem,

[0:10:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we're encouraging them to do so.

[0:10:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): They, of course, their answer was, well, they have 60 things on their agenda ahead of us,

[0:10:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): but we're very you know i made the point for that all of the islands put into um into the

[0:10:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): park pay into the park function uh and very little of that money comes back to the the islands in

[0:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): terms of park infrastructure or park remediation um and you can do the math and figure out how

[0:10:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): much is put in every year from the islands the various islands it's not just keats it's gambier

[0:10:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's the army it's all over the island and yet there are some parks that can utilize some work

[0:11:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): so hopefully we can work together and get some work done on what is the the key summer park in

[0:11:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): particular on on particularly on the east side of the island but eastbourne and the area around there

[0:11:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): but really for the whole life which is west beach and it is an strd park uh uphill and it was

[0:11:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): interesting with all of the rain last saturday night through monday midday we obviously um it

[0:11:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): appears that we didn't have we dodged a lot of the worst of the damage like seeing the rest of

[0:11:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): the province but i went down there a few times to what see what's going on and of course was being

[0:11:46] uh damaged uh

[0:11:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): the pathway just as we had described it uh to the scrd so the evidence was there that

[0:11:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): we need to do some remediation there so that was a good meeting i too have been at executive

[0:11:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee meetings um at financial planning committee meetings which we finished putting

[0:12:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): our proposed budget together for the um for uh trust council and trust council is in two weeks

[0:12:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): time, and it will be the first in-person trust council we've had since March of 2020, and

[0:12:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's in Victoria. I think we're expecting 20 or 18 or 20 of the trustees, 26 trustees

[0:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be there. We'll also be available and interactive on an interactive platform. So it'll be a

[0:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): a pure hybrid meeting a true hybrid meeting which will be good yeah so that's my reporting

[0:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you

[0:12:50] Voice 3: very much trustees and i'm just going to catch up on something that i forgot which is

[0:12:55] Voice 3: that we also have staff with us online so i'd just like to let people know that um online is

[0:13:02] Voice 3: diane corbett taking our minutes and uh so she's our professional minute taker and uh because this

[0:13:08] Voice 3: This is a formal business meeting,

[0:13:10] Voice 3: making sure that it's all correct

[0:13:11] Voice 3: and that there'll be good minutes later.

[0:13:14] Voice 3: And our planner, Marnie Egan, is online as well

[0:13:19] Voice 3: for one of the topics, which is the 10.2.

[0:13:28] Voice 3: Sorry, you'd think I hadn't put this agenda together

[0:13:31] Voice 3: and spent a lot of time with it last week.

[0:13:33] Voice 3: Anyway, how about the Gambier OCP?

[0:13:36] Voice 3: I'm just going to say a few things

[0:13:37] Voice 3: because my fellow trustees were at the financial planning meeting

[0:13:41] Voice 3: and the different meetings um but i wanted to say um earlier this week i attended a uh session

[0:13:49] Voice 3: called inclusive local government building equality embracing diversity but it was about

[0:13:53] Voice 3: how to do outreach to more uh of the different kinds of people that are involved in um in the

[0:14:00] Voice 3: islands uh in my case i was looking for islands they were thinking about big cities but that was

[0:14:04] Voice 3: fascinating and uh i um also and i'll be bringing some some of those ideas to trust council and i

[0:14:14] Voice 3: just wanted to show you in the uh uh dan was speaking about trust council and 15.2 in our

[0:14:20] Voice 3: agenda is the news release about trust council so people can zoom into that if you're interested

[0:14:25] Voice 3: and then 15.2 is the these are just information items the uh

[0:14:29] Voice 3: we've got more uh policy

[0:14:32] Voice 3: policy statement engagement plan so people will have a chance to give more input to the basic

[0:14:40] Voice 3: trust policy statement which some see as the official community plan for the whole island's

[0:14:45] Voice 3: trust area and i wanted to bring those things to your attention and uh but otherwise i'm going to

[0:14:52] Voice 3: uh i've got a bonus go ahead trustee stanford i did forget one thing that i attended the

[0:14:59] Voice 3: the Modernizing Forest Policy Zoom session on November 5th,

[0:15:06] Voice 3: and it was quite unhelpful.

[0:15:10] Voice 3: But I just let people know that any opportunity

[0:15:14] Voice 3: that we can get to provide input to anything

[0:15:18] Voice 3: that's happening around forestry,

[0:15:20] Voice 3: I am trying to take notes.

[0:15:23] Voice 3: It just happened to get here.

[0:15:30] Voice 3: Yeah, there are changes underway.

[0:15:32] Voice 3: way and um i'll also just mention that this session is being reported so just for the record

[0:15:39] Voice 3: i'll say that we're in the same week uh we're in another provincial emergency has been declared

[0:15:45] Voice 3: because of the flooding and landslides in the interior and um so just for future reference if

[0:15:53] Voice 3: people are wondering why we're speaking like this and uh i'm going to move on then electoral area

[0:16:01] Voice 3: is director's report uh mark wasn't able to be with us today i

[0:16:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): have something to report oh mark

[0:16:06] Voice 3: this

[0:16:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): is

[0:16:07] Voice 3: from director mark hiltz

[0:16:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah so mr mr hiltz uh wrote me um uh yesterday and just

[0:16:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): indicated uh that the sard is considering today and then finally next friday recommendation for

[0:16:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the renewal of three water leases for docks.

[0:16:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is for Keats Landing, one's for Eastbourne

[0:16:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and one's for the Beaucroft dock.

[0:16:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is a standard routine thing they need to do

[0:16:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): in order to get the water lease for the docks

[0:16:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the recommendation from staff

[0:16:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that this lease be renewed for five.

[0:16:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Apparently there's options for longer,

[0:16:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): but they've decided to go for a five-year lease

[0:16:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): or that's the recommendation from staff so that because of the fact that they're

[0:17:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): reviewing the status of those so that's as i said keats landing eastbourne and

[0:17:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): bowcroft he indicated he thought it was it will be a relatively routine and they will approve them

[0:17:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes it is recommended that the length of the lease term be maintained at the current practice

[0:17:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): of five the status quo so that's one update from him and if i could i i forgot one thing as well

[0:17:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just want to do i

[0:17:30] Voice 3: just i'm wondering if kate louise did you have something you wanted to add

[0:17:32] Voice 3: there yes i i'm just wondering about the uh i'm

[0:17:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): just guessing that these are the ones that are due

[0:17:39] Voice 3: oh okay so they

[0:17:39] Voice 4: might not all be okay i

[0:17:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't know though i will forward this to you and it's

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh it simply really refers to those three docs and i have the same thought but i but i assume

[0:17:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): they might be on a different cycle but we can clarify we can clarify that that's great go ahead

[0:17:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just sorry one thing i did forget i just want to do is a shout out um it's uh winter and uh the

[0:18:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh ferry's service to eastbourne is challenged again um there have been many concerns raised

[0:18:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the fair the storm away not coming into eastport uh that's one issue however but the

[0:18:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): second issue i wanted to mention was that two people that have served on the ferry advisory

[0:18:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee from eastbourne have have sent out a notice that they're stepping down and i just uh

[0:18:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's um daniel saunders and susan mcclaren i just want to thank them for the time they've

[0:18:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): spent on that very advisory committee representing eastbourne uh to and i know it's a complicated

[0:18:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): job because i did it for one year uh and um it's uh it's it's uh it's not it's somewhat

[0:18:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm somewhat thankless and thankful that particularly Tanya has been doing it for five years or so and so thank you both and I hope other people at Eastbourne will step up to serve on that important role for Eastbourne.

[0:19:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): We also have a very good representative from Keats Landing who I think assumed is staying because I've heard different things.

[0:19:11] Voice 3: I'm just going to mention that we did have some recording trouble right at the beginning apparently and so while we've been talking Mark has become the host and sorted it out.

[0:19:20] Voice 3: so if there's hitches that's why go ahead um i just one of the things that i've noticed

[0:19:26] Voice 3: we've been talking about the very advisory committee is somebody mentioned group page

[0:19:34] Voice 3: facebook page that the the route didn't used to go to eastbourne in the winter at all and i had

[0:19:42] Voice 3: no idea about that to see the evolution of that that's

[0:19:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): true in fact if you go back far enough

[0:19:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): they took the float out yeah and

[0:19:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): eastbourne uh because uh it was so exposed uh but it's probably

[0:19:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's certainly gone to eastbourne since i've been on eastbourne which is 25 years but i understand

[0:20:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): in like 30 years or more plus before it did not copy

[0:20:09] Voice 3: okay okay thank you very much and uh with

[0:20:13] Voice 3: that we'll go on to delegations we have done so it's time for town hall so this is the chance for

[0:20:18] Voice 3: the public to speak if you'd like to say a few words and give us your comments uh you've got

[0:20:23] Voice 3: about three minutes

[0:20:24] Voice 8: and

[0:20:26] Voice 3: just say your name and your uh uh and where you live okay

[0:20:31] Voice 5: keats island

[0:20:32] Voice 5: uh kurt shepherd i did mention i think for some of them they have four that needs to be accounted

[0:21:14] Voice 5: for it's water access people in there is multi-generational so you have uh the young side

[0:21:58] Voice 5: I can only read you

[0:22:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): the email or the staff report.

[0:22:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is an SCRD matter.

[0:22:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): It says application requires selection of the period of proposed use as follows, 2, 2 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 30, more than 30.

[0:22:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): most recently they they've always renewed their dock leases for the scrd for five years the

[0:22:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): ministry has expressed a preference for longer due to administrative reasons however as the

[0:22:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): financing and sustainability scdr reports services were regularly reviewed it is recommended that the

[0:22:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): length of the lease be maintained in the current practice of five years so if you have a concern

[0:22:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): about that you should put it into the SCAD they may maintain those um i i just if you've been

[0:22:59] following the SCAD

[0:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): you will know that the ports function is a fairly large budgetary concern to

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that and i just don't think they want to give the message that they're necessarily in it for the

[0:23:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): long for a long long period of time they

[0:23:18] Voice 5: didn't put those in i know they did thank

[0:23:24] Voice 3: you very much

[0:23:26] Voice 3: go ahead and also respond i think like we did bring it up at our joint at crd

[0:23:32] Voice 3: trust meaning that being docs is one of our most significant and continuing to push importance

[0:23:42] Voice 3: so we are asking that they there was some consideration review and sometimes you want

[0:23:54] Voice 3: to poke the sleeping dog the ones that are annoying at some point but i think this

[0:24:05] Voice 3: fits into that whole idea that they want to do on how sustainable this is and where it's going to go, which is kind of scary.

[0:24:15] Voice 3: That

[0:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): will have a major impact on the islands.

[0:24:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you

[0:24:24] Voice 3: very much for your comments.

[0:24:26] Voice 3: And we're going to move on then to the minutes.

[0:24:31] Voice 3: This is the exciting part of the agenda where we talk about the minutes and whether they're correct.

[0:24:36] Voice 3: and anybody got any comments on 7.1 which is our minute stated September 29th our special

[0:24:42] Voice 3: I

[0:24:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): just wanted to say that that thank you to Diane for capturing I think for the most part

[0:24:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): what was a very complicated conversation I read them and I didn't have and personally did I read

[0:25:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): all three sets of minutes and I did not have any oh I have one change in one of the minutes later

[0:25:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): or the second set but uh it was a complicated and um sometimes challenging conversation and i think

[0:25:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): it does capture and for anybody watching if you want to know what happened at those meetings where

[0:25:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can either watch the video or you can read the minutes they're there that's here and it captures

[0:25:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): a lot of the essence of that so i have no changes to the minutes of the 29th of september no i'm

[0:25:30] Voice 3: fine with that again i second that commendation that was a very challenging situation we were in

[0:25:37] Voice 3: and Diane.

[0:25:41] Voice 3: I'm also really glad, Diane, that you could hear

[0:25:44] Voice 3: everybody, because it was a big room with

[0:25:45] Voice 3: more than 50 people in it.

[0:25:48] Voice 3: With masks.

[0:25:48] Voice 3: With masks, that's right.

[0:25:51] Voice 3: Okay, so by consent, then,

[0:25:53] Voice 3: I think that we're adopting

[0:25:55] Voice 3: the minutes of September 29th.

[0:25:58] Voice 3: Very good. That's adopted

[0:26:00] Voice 3: by consent.

[0:26:02] Voice 3: The minutes of October 14th.

[0:26:05] Voice 6: Yeah, I had one

[0:26:06] Voice 6: change, and now I have to

[0:26:08] Voice 6: find it i highlighted i'll find it okay

[0:26:12] Voice 3: pages 12 to 23 in our agenda

[0:26:15] Voice 3: for anybody who might be following along while you're looking i didn't have anything specific

[0:26:23] Voice 3: but i just had sort of a editorial thing is often we were considered trustees announced or trustee

[0:26:33] Voice 3: faster announced blah blah blah um it just sounded a little incongruous because it's more just

[0:26:41] Voice 3: reporting or but that was just a personal thing because i don't feel like i'm announcing some of

[0:26:47] Voice 3: these things i'm just sort of reporting dating or reporting okay but that's not a big deal it's

[0:26:52] Voice 3: it's just a stylistic thing okay and uh any left hand yeah we want these to be for the record and

[0:27:16] Voice 3: for future reference so uh this is were you okay for the next step we'll let you keep looking

[0:27:48] Voice 3: you want to come back to this after lunch it's

[0:28:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): funny as i said i highlighted it last

[0:28:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): night when i was reviewing these two minutes uh so uh yeah we could come back okay let's do that

[0:28:10] Voice 3: then we're going to come back to 7.2 so those have not been approved yet and we're going to

[0:28:15] Voice 3: to move on to 7.3. These are the special meeting minutes, October 14, page 24, beginning of

[0:28:22] Voice 3: that one. This was another meeting here, I believe. Yeah. Couldn't find anything in particular

[0:28:32] Voice 3: at all. Good. This was the one with the 50 people. And well done, Diana. Anything on

[0:28:39] Voice 3: that one, Dan? No. Okay. So can I have a motion to adopt these? I think it'll be a little

[0:28:44] Voice 3: more formal thank you please the senator thank you and uh any discussion all in favor okay three

[0:28:52] Voice 3: guns went up so those um minutes are adopted as presented and we're going to go on now to the

[0:28:59] Voice 3: follow-up action list page 31 of our agenda um people might have uh trustees might have

[0:29:06] Voice 3: questions for the planner well for the regional planning manager get to ask one who might know

[0:29:18] Voice 3: seeing that I'm just looking through on the July 22nd item two I'm not sure how

[0:29:31] Voice 3: long to wait we have sent a letter to Vancouver Coastal Health I'm heard back

[0:29:38] Voice 3: just make sure it doesn't because there's been other letters I've sent

[0:29:50] Voice 3: just forgot to write check and see what the answer you'd like to leave it on the

[0:29:55] Voice 3: the follow up action. Yeah, until we get a response. Okay.

[0:29:58] Voice 3: Yeah. So there's

[0:30:00] Voice 3: it's going to be making a note there and uh i think that's it for me okay have you got anything

[0:30:06] Voice 3: dan for the follow-up action list questions for the regional planning manager in the media either

[0:30:14] Voice 3: okay thank you let's move on point two uh these are the two letters that were

[0:30:21] Voice 3: um decided to send letters of congratulations to uh patrick weiler our new mpu was re-elected

[0:30:30] Voice 3: September and the letters of the Squash Nation congratulating them on their

[0:30:35] Voice 3: election and so those letters are in the they came out a little late because I

[0:30:41] Voice 3: was a little late drafting them and then I anyway my fault and but they are

[0:30:48] Voice 3: available for anybody wants to look at them and they've gone out. Let's move on

[0:30:55] Voice 3: to announce trust by law uh trust council one three tc what does tc stand for oh yes right

[0:31:04] Voice 3: of course the referral response for the trust policy statement and uh here we are on page 35

[0:31:09] Voice 3: it's before us again uh what's your pleasure trustees we want to continue to wait in the

[0:31:16] Voice 3: in our agenda at the last page is the uh press release saying we're going to invite more public

[0:31:24] Voice 3: input so yeah

[0:31:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is um it's interesting the there's a report in the

[0:31:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): executive committee package from yesterday and will be in the Trust

[0:31:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Council package which sets out the the scope of the replies that they received

[0:31:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of referrals today almost without exception all of the local trust

[0:31:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): committees have said the same thing which is we're going to wait until we

[0:31:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): get all the community feedback and the engagement process before we make a concerted reply there's

[0:31:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): a few specifics of well we'd like this and we'd like that um not not in terms of specifics i don't

[0:32:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): think but in terms of process and uh it is a bit of an awkward process because we're the same people

[0:32:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): at the local trust committees that are going to be in trust council making decisions about what's

[0:32:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the trust policy statement and what's not in the trust policy statement and as a local trust

[0:32:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee unless there was something adamant that you wanted to to say we don't want to see that at

[0:32:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): this point any trustee can take it to the look to the trust council and make that communication so

[0:32:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): my approach to date has been to basically say we're going to wait until the engagement process

[0:32:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): is over or is well advanced so that we can see what our communities have to say about the about

[0:32:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the term that trust policy statement i don't know what you

[0:32:53] Voice 3: yeah just keeping in mind the

[0:32:58] Voice 3: particular community that i represent um i'm trying to keep their um interest to a certain

[0:33:06] Voice 3: level but until there's something really solid to show them um and see how it impacts the atmosphere

[0:33:14] Voice 3: it's not trying to hide anything from anybody

[0:33:20] Voice 3: but it's a big document there's a lot in it that

[0:33:25] Voice 3: sometimes i may not be able to answer the question appropriately if somebody turns around so i um

[0:33:32] Voice 3: feeling more comfortable if it's a more straightforward process hear from them based

[0:33:38] Voice 3: on a document yeah thank you i agree in fact trust council is going to be spending a bunch

[0:33:47] Voice 3: of money on consultants to help us do this next phase of public engagement so

[0:33:52] Voice 3: let's see what what comes in through that process and then put our minds to

[0:33:58] Voice 3: it so do we want to just continue to defer it or do we want to?

[0:34:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): The engagement process a little it's a shame that our staff have to keep

[0:34:12] sending this stuff out

[0:34:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and do the administrative work to do this of course

[0:34:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): is the way the process works. I should say that, you know, unlike other areas, while people have

[0:34:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): shown some interest in the policy statement, many of the more controversial issues don't apply

[0:34:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): to this particular area. For example, when there was a proposal related to restricting docks,

[0:34:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): that didn't apply to any of our islands. The water acts are the terms of the trust policy

[0:34:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now, people will probably be interested in proposals on desalination, on forestry, on

[0:35:03] tree cutting and things of that nature.

[0:35:05] So we'll continue to send out

[0:35:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): the information and I'm guessing that as we get into the engagement

[0:35:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): process, people will start to see a lot more feedback on foreshore protection because there

[0:35:20] are proposals related to uh to foreshore that are in the trust policy statement and i just remind

[0:35:25] everybody

[0:35:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the way the system is set up now there are direct policy statements in any

[0:35:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): particular sort of this this bifurcated nature of the trust is that we have centralists not i

[0:35:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): would call it centralized but um federation-wide policies however the actual decisions regarding

[0:35:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): regarding land use bylaws, et cetera, and policies are for the whole.

[0:35:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we have a ways to go with it.

[0:36:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): The timing now seems to be more mid-spring

[0:36:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we're going to be finished the engagement process of 2022.

[0:36:12] Voice 3: So it's hard to say we're going to defer it until a certain date.

[0:36:18] Voice 3: I just point anybody who's interested to Islands 2050

[0:36:22] Voice 3: or the islandstrust.bc.ca website, you can find out all about it there.

[0:36:26] Voice 3: there's lots of information and a fact sheet and uh um what's the motion that we'd like to make

[0:36:32] Voice 3: same one as last time uh

[0:36:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): sure whatever that was okay

[0:36:36] Voice 3: let's find it in the minutes i just want to

[0:36:40] Voice 3: add that part of my sort of reticence to really bring this front center to the community is

[0:36:46] Voice 3: because we're dealing with gambieron official community plan and they often get sort of muddled

[0:36:52] Voice 3: up together it is hard to to differentiate between the two depending

[0:36:57] Voice 3: on how so I'm trying to be very very clear that they're different but

[0:37:03] Voice 3: related see that we

[0:37:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): defer a response on the referral and until the the trust

[0:37:34] wide

[0:37:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): engagement process has been substantially thank

[0:37:40] Voice 3: you thank you any

[0:37:43] Voice 3: uh but any more discussion all in favor thank you

[0:37:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and uh before i forget i have found the part

[0:37:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the minute

[0:37:54] Voice 3: okay 7

[0:37:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): .2 that i was concerned about i don't know why my highlighting didn't come

[0:37:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): through and why i couldn't find it

[0:38:02] Voice 3: highlighting sometimes disappears okay pages 12 to 23. yeah

[0:38:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): diane and other trustees uh which starts the trustee was convinced that a development permit

[0:38:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): area with a setback of 15 meters would be a suitable way to proceed to protect the foreshore

[0:38:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then the words and at the ltc meeting earlier on this day and i that that that would be correct

[0:38:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): language for the meeting that came earlier later in the day but i think it it's i think

[0:38:40] the language there should say and uh

[0:38:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the trustee proposed because it wasn't earlier on

[0:38:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's say that would this was the earlier on

[0:38:49] Voice 3: okay so

[0:38:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): the work so i would suggest the words end at

[0:38:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): the ltc meeting earlier on the state be removed and it just said and the trustee proposed too

[0:39:01] Voice 2: thank you you got that or uh diane i do thank you very good thank

[0:39:08] Voice 3: you that was it

[0:39:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): other than that

[0:39:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm perfectly content very

[0:39:11] Voice 3: good so then um can you move to make

[0:39:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): sure i'll move that we adopt the

[0:39:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): minutes of october the 14th of the regular minute we made it as a myth that's

[0:39:23] Voice 3: okay thank you uh any

[0:39:25] Voice 3: more discussion all in favor three hands went up thank you very much okay now we're going to go to

[0:39:37] Voice 3: uh keats island shoreline protection project staff report so here is uh this is starting on page 39

[0:39:44] Voice 3: and to present this pro uh this part of the agenda we've got regional planning manager heather carr

[0:39:51] Voice 3: uh with us today because jamie is away so um please take it away heather so um as i explained

[0:39:59] Voice 3: them uh before i before the meeting started i will have limited i have some information

[0:40:05] Voice 4: limited

[0:40:05] Voice 3: about being able to answer questions because jamie is gone but i will kind of walk

[0:40:10] Voice 3: through the things that i understand about this fully um this is uh the recommendations here are

[0:40:18] Voice 3: are some recommended amendments to the by-law

[0:40:23] Voice 3: that staff are making, the by-law is not before you,

[0:40:26] Voice 3: but these are recommended changes.

[0:40:28] Voice 3: One of the, so the first one is,

[0:40:32] Voice 3: and I'll preface it by saying that these recommendations

[0:40:39] Voice 3: are based on comments that we received at the CIM

[0:40:44] Voice 3: and at the discussion at the last meeting.

[0:40:48] Voice 3: so CIM is community information so you'll see 1A is amending the number 90

[0:41:01] Voice 3: with over 120 and I think you'll understand the context of that we also

[0:41:13] Voice 3: had recommended that there's a there's a limitation of 35 square meters on either

[0:41:24] Voice 3: that was the rationale for changing it to 36 square meters is that for those

[0:41:37] Voice 3: for those structures that are made of wood and we actually kind of there was a

[0:41:44] Voice 3: public comment that jamie had read about when you buy boards and you cut boards that there's

[0:41:52] Voice 3: actually all this leftover wood um when you um when you have to meet 35 square meters

[0:41:59] Voice 3: um and 36 square meters will allow for cleaner cuts and not so much scrap wood

[0:42:06] Voice 3: um that was one of it and that seemed to be a reasonable comment and a reasonable reason to

[0:42:12] Voice 3: change that measure she and i talked about the measurements in general and what the rationale

[0:42:18] Voice 3: was these most of the measurements have been based on provincial guidelines or um green shores

[0:42:28] Voice 3: guidelines for the most part and as she and i talked about you know what is there is there a

[0:42:35] Voice 3: scientific basis i had asked that after the meeting is there a scientific basis can we find

[0:42:41] Voice 3: the scientific basis for a 35 meters versus a 40 meters versus a 20 meters and um and she wasn't

[0:42:49] Voice 3: able to find a resource for that you know the provincial numbers she wasn't able to find that

[0:42:56] Voice 3: but we we sort of concluded based on the non you know we're not biologists but what i understand

[0:43:03] Voice 3: from having worked in washington state on the shoreline management laws there is that there's

[0:43:10] Voice 3: a basic there's a basic um idea here which is that the most the best thing for the shoreline

[0:43:20] Voice 3: environment is nothing right you know having any kind of structure there is damaging the furling

[0:43:27] Voice 3: and the bigger it is the more damage it can do so there's this is a compromise having any kind

[0:43:35] Voice 3: of structure allowing any kind of structure as a compromise and you want it to be as small as

[0:43:41] Voice 3: it can be to accommodate the use that is there and to limit the impact on the shoreline.

[0:43:49] Voice 3: It's I think a layman's idea about what's the science behind it.

[0:43:57] Voice 3: And the way that it got explained to me as a planner was that that shoreline environment

[0:44:05] Voice 3: that's being shaded by the dark where the structures is damaging habitat for fish.

[0:44:12] Voice 3: The plants can't grow because they're not getting the light.

[0:44:15] Voice 3: And the little fish can't see when they swim into the shade and they get eaten by bigger fish.

[0:44:23] Voice 3: So that's the story that I have always carried with me about not being a scientist.

[0:44:31] Voice 3: How can I understand this?

[0:44:33] Voice 3: and that's the reason for limiting any of these structures and it's also the reason you'll see

[0:44:42] Voice 3: a little bit later on about why we recommend that decking materials are as transparent as

[0:44:50] Voice 3: you can make decking materials so that the light can come through and you're still healthy to

[0:44:56] Voice 3: promote some vegetation on the ground so you all probably know that already but um but it might be

[0:45:03] Voice 3: helpful for folks who aren't you know into this stuff every day to hear something like that anyway

[0:45:11] Voice 3: so that's where we ended up 35 square meters to 36 square meters to limit um wood waste and um

[0:45:20] Voice 3: and we also took the comments about pruning and turning trees to heart you know it's

[0:45:29] Voice 3: we could say you can only have one tree or two trees or prune this or prune that

[0:45:34] Voice 3: but we also have to take into consideration what we're able to monitor and administer and enforce

[0:45:42] Voice 3: and um and what's reasonable around that um jamie did find this language within 2b

[0:45:51] Voice 3: which um is sort of general you know we're saying uh the printing trimming or limbing of trees

[0:45:59] Voice 3: provided it cannot reasonably be expected to result in the death or removal of the tree

[0:46:03] Voice 3: so it's kind of a guideline there's not a number associated with that or um um but it's kind of a

[0:46:12] Voice 3: guideline keep the tree alive yeah keep the tree alive that's the basic idea about that yeah um

[0:46:20] Voice 3: and then yeah you'll see in d that the decking materials must allow for a minimum of 43 percent

[0:46:31] Voice 3: open space and again that's for light penetration um and e also addresses light penetration

[0:46:43] Voice 3: Yeah, so, so that's the staff response to the comments that we've heard in terms of

[0:46:51] Voice 3: our recommendations for updating the violence.

[0:46:56] Voice 3: I think we'll leave it at that.

[0:46:59] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:47:00] Voice 3: Questions for the Planner or the Regional Planner?

[0:47:04] Voice 3: Again, you're acting as the Planner today.

[0:47:06] Voice 3: Just more of a comment and then a question, I appreciate the thought that's been going

[0:47:13] Voice 3: gone into these changes because I do find them more reasonable, especially the tree cutting

[0:47:20] Voice 3: and things like that. And any kind of, it just doesn't work if people aren't willing to

[0:47:29] Voice 3: check up on that. One of the things that I am wondering about is some of the ideas that

[0:47:41] Voice 3: that mentioned that is there a formula of some kind

[0:47:49] Voice 3: for docks that are serving more than one family

[0:47:53] Voice 3: that is a piece of land and that rationalize

[0:47:57] Voice 3: how you would do that at this point?

[0:47:59] Voice 3: You have so many dwellings, do you do it per dwelling?

[0:48:04] Voice 3: Do you do it?

[0:48:05] Voice 3: Is there a way of providing a calculation

[0:48:09] Voice 3: for what is to the concern that landowners have

[0:48:17] Voice 3: in that particular situation?

[0:48:19] Voice 3: Well, and if I recall correctly, the bylaw currently does allow for some expansion of

[0:48:27] Voice 3: the dock space based on the number of lots.

[0:48:30] Voice 3: Is that correct?

[0:48:33] Voice 3: Yeah, it's based on lots, but if you've got joint custody.

[0:48:35] Voice 4: Yeah, but if you have

[0:48:36] Voice 3: joint custody, or just the custody side.

[0:48:40] Voice 3: Yeah, I think that's something we could definitely explore.

[0:48:44] Voice 3: I just want to know what you penned it on to how you would base it.

[0:48:52] Voice 8: So that's the comment side.

[0:48:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): can we just find some language that was in the i have a number of things to say but the language

[0:49:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): that was in the um the staff report leads me to believe that it actually already allows for an

[0:49:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): expansion based on if there's so the concern that i heard there's a number of concerns but let me

[0:49:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): just start with this concern concerned i heard was particularly with um plumper coal i think this is

[0:49:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): somewhat unique is because of the zoning that's there there are there can be more than one house

[0:49:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): there'll be multiple dwellings on the same and the idea was that you could expand the dock if more

[0:49:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): than one lot owner was was serviced but i believe the language actually says if more than one

[0:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): one residence is civil serviced.

[0:49:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I just wanted to check that before we went any further, before we started to consider

[0:50:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): how to resolve that, because we have to start from this premise, one of the premises is

[0:50:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you for your commentary related to DOCS, and I'll come back to some of what you said

[0:50:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): about that, but the other objective of this is not just the ecosystem, but it's also

[0:50:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): the proliferation and the sight lines and the visual effects of having too large and too many

[0:50:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): dogs. What kind of an effect does that have on the aesthetics of the human? So it's both,

[0:50:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I agree with you, it's the ecosystem, there's also the issue of access, and all of those things

[0:50:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): are important. But it's not just the ecosystem, but I agree that that's sort of a starting point.

[0:50:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but so it's also about so it's also about so we're trying to encourage

[0:50:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): people as I think former trustee Hageman said trying to get people to share dogs and I

[0:51:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): just want to find the current bylaw it's in 78 it's section you have the bylaw

[0:51:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's proposed in front of you but then but then you have the amendments and the

[0:51:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): amendments are made and yeah so it says despite section 4.1.6 the maximum float area may be

[0:51:51] increased by x per residential dwelling served

[0:51:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): so it's not based on per lot it's based on per

[0:52:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): residential dwelling served so wouldn't i guess my question would be and i think i would ask the

[0:52:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): staff to go back and consider that i would i don't think we're proposing to amend that

[0:52:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you have a lot with more than one residential dwelling on it you can apply for and say okay

[0:52:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're zoned we're appropriately zoned we've got i think in your case it's three isn't it

[0:52:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): three residential dwellings on the property so we're entitled to and i'm sorry for anybody

[0:52:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): watching i was asking mr shepherd who's a resident of a plumper co they'd be entitled

[0:52:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the original size plus the two increases to make the size that's the way i read that and i

[0:52:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess i would like to ask whether if that's correct and there's no i don't believe there's

[0:52:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): any proposal to change that is would that not resolve a deal with that issue in terms of

[0:52:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): multiple dwelling blocks okay so that's one thing can i put that so if that's in the minutes and

[0:52:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe send that back to jamie to ask her for an analysis of that issue because i've heard that

[0:53:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i i just want to if i could just comment on while we're talking about docs because there's

[0:53:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): a number of comments about docks it appears that that was one of the issues that's still outstanding

[0:53:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): both from particularly a lot of 696 and from i'll call it the west side of eastbourne because that's

[0:53:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): where their dance are over there that's a number of docs mostly because those properties are

[0:53:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): historically water access only they don't have a government doc well they do i guess but they

[0:53:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't they have restrictions on roads into their property so they're historically water access only

[0:53:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): properties um so and so there's a denser number there's two things one is uh there are concerns

[0:53:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): raised about the size of the dock um the second is that there's concerns raised about the spacing

[0:54:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): between dogs what I don't know is is whether that spacing is a provincial

[0:54:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): regulation in any case and whether or not we are in the in the because I think

[0:54:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've got 10 meters between and whether or not our water posing is consistent

[0:54:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): with what the problem has said that they are I think we need to give some

[0:54:33] analysis as to whether there's a fix for that response from local signal from

[0:54:39] lot 696 or the leaseholders was

[0:54:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): there will be some lots that won't be able to

[0:54:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): put the dock in if we have that that spacing without open only a man I'm not

[0:54:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): sure that's the worst thing in the world because they could if you could you

[0:54:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): could expand the dock that's jointly owned with your neighbor and as many

[0:55:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): cases their family groups but I understand the concern that we're not we

[0:55:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't know who the neighbors going to be in 30 years from now but I'd like to get

[0:55:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): get some analysis as to whether that's standard.

[0:55:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): I would encourage, and I'm going to send out,

[0:55:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a series of webinars being put on right now

[0:55:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): by Raincoast Foundation, public water.

[0:55:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): The second one was about forest roads and about docks.

[0:55:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there is some scientific evidence

[0:55:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): and some science being put forward

[0:55:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): by people who study these issues,

[0:55:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): talking about the impact of docks on them.

[0:55:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because one of the things we hear constantly, well, anybody who's been here for 80 years knows if you want to catch a fish, they're underneath my dock.

[0:55:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's where the fish hang out.

[0:55:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): They love my dock.

[0:55:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm actually improving the ecosystem by having a dock.

[0:56:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I believe people actually, they honestly believe that, that they think that the docks provide the ecosystem.

[0:56:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know that my mother, by the way, lives in a freshwater lake and believes that the fish

[0:56:18] live underneath her dock.

[0:56:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know, I'm not a scientist like you, but as I understand the webinar and the information

[0:56:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): provided in it, in fact that's scientifically not accurate, that it does impact the forage

[0:56:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): fish and the habitat and the eelgrass and the ability of the plants to grow.

[0:56:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it would be very interesting to get that information, because that goes to the issue

[0:56:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): of size.

[0:56:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): To my mind, 36 square meters, which is 380 square feet, it's a pretty big dock in my

[0:56:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): mind.

[0:56:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): But that's not necessarily everybody's mind.

[0:56:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): You could put boats on it, and if you have extra families, you could extend it by more.

[0:57:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): you don't necessarily have to have a 40 feet wide um and and so i guess we better find the ways to

[0:57:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): justify that because that seems to be a lot of the remaining concern about the development is about

[0:57:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): docs and uh i think that's fair people are concerned i think what mr shepherd said it's fair

[0:57:29] they've been accessing these properties for 80 years through

[0:57:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): through docs that they put in and

[0:57:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): they should continue to be able to access their property through boxes they can maintain

[0:57:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): docks are clearly going to be more expensive to install and maintain in the future just because

[0:57:44] the materials are different and you have the permitting is different and the requirements

[0:57:49] are different and there has to be or there's going to be at some point if there isn't already

[0:57:53] a sign off by the local first nations about cultural heritage sites

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): and things of that

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): nature all of that makes it complicated and expensive to put a dock in but they should be

[0:58:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): able to do that um so those are sort of three or four parts one thing i want to say about the staff

[0:58:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): report is uh in particular is it needs to be amended there is a reference in the staff report

[0:58:22] to the comments that are attributed to

[0:58:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): the um keats conservation group

[0:58:31] Voice 3: yeah yeah and they are

[0:58:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): are not from the Keats Conservation Group. I double-checked that with the Keats Conservation

[0:58:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Group. They have not filed a submission yet. I wish Jamie was here, because I'd like to

[0:58:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): find out how the woman who did file this response actually got a formal referral, because she

[0:59:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): was a member of the Forest Shore Working Group, and I don't know whether everybody in the

[0:59:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): for sure and maybe they did i think there was just a misunderstanding about when it says in

[0:59:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): the i went it's not in the package but i went to the actual referral form and it's it she does

[0:59:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): write on their eastbourne keats conservation group i and i think staff took that as a response for

[0:59:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): the key it is not from the key to conservation it's from um it's from an individual and so it

[0:59:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): needs to be moved into the individual commentary area and not in the referral area so that would

[0:59:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): be a good thing to do so i'm very glad i'm sorry i know i'm talking a lot but i'm very glad to see

[0:59:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh that we can hopefully the language around pruning will take away what is a legitimate

[1:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): concern of people who say I gotta go get a permit to cut some branches off my

[1:00:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): trees you know I understand that response it's it's a it's a it's a I

[1:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): understand also the proposal because that's what our that's what the best

[1:00:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): practices manual says I think it's a good idea to take public take that and

[1:00:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): it seems to me that the majority of the other concerns with development permit

[1:00:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): area that remain and there may be others relate to how we resolve this the size

[1:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): the spacing and I think some folks when they see the materials may have some

[1:00:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): response to that we can deal with those I'd also like to talk maybe farther as

[1:00:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): we get along about where we're going to go in the process from here on so

[1:00:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): So because I'm sort of thinking how we get to the information of where we're at back

[1:01:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): out, because I haven't done a lot of communicating related to this since the October 14th, done

[1:01:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): a little bit, not a lot, time to now get the remaining data out to the community, see what

[1:01:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): their response is.

[1:01:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): We really have only had two responses, not counting the referral response, no, even counting

[1:01:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've only had three since the CIM from individuals.

[1:01:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think the community went with the DPP, but now we need to get them to look at the

[1:01:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): development permit and the

[1:01:39] Voice 4: details.

[1:01:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): And as it happened with the RAR, then you work through and try to make it reasonable.

[1:01:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): What are the exemptions that make sense?

[1:01:49] Voice 3: Right, there in the area of regulation is what RAR is.

[1:01:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): And, you know, try and make the regulations as reasonable as possible so they're too onerous.

[1:01:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think that's what we're doing today.

[1:02:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there's that.

[1:02:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so I'll stop there for a moment.

[1:02:06] Voice 3: I'm just going to chime in for a second to say I see that in the Platters report,

[1:02:12] Voice 3: she refers to the BC Stewardship Centre's Green Shores Report Program under dock flow size,

[1:02:19] Voice 3: which provides science-based tools and best practices for sustainable shoreline development.

[1:02:24] Voice 3: And are you guys okay if I put that on the next agenda as an info item, just so everybody's

[1:02:31] Voice 3: got a link to it, right, and they can easily find it?

[1:02:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sure, and I will say that when we get to the where do we go from here process, I want to

[1:02:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): talk about a communications, a new, some sort of an FAQ or something, or say, end with some

[1:02:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): some info session information that could link them,

[1:02:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): for example, to the Raincoast webinar around if they want,

[1:02:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): because people ask questions,

[1:02:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): why are you restricting the size of dogs?

[1:03:01] Voice 4: Well,

[1:03:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): here's the reason why.

[1:03:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's one reason the research do, but here's another one.

[1:03:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Here's this, here's some of the science-y stuff.

[1:03:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's where we

[1:03:11] Voice 3: go, but sure.

[1:03:11] Voice 3: Sure, okay, that's what my thought,

[1:03:13] Voice 3: thinking was going towards too,

[1:03:15] Voice 3: because i'm thinking about uh whales that have returned and how do we keep uh making it so that

[1:03:26] Voice 3: wildlife can live in the shoreline uh anyway what do you think trustees do you want to um i have

[1:03:33] Voice 3: another comment or question go ahead um there

[1:03:35] Voice 3: was a reference to uh again back to the docs

[1:03:39] Voice 3: referencing um that doc should be set on a northwest or a north-south axis i just wondered

[1:03:48] Voice 3: how workable that was i don't

[1:03:52] Voice 4: think it's northwest i think it's the spacing

[1:03:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): that should be

[1:03:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): the the slatting should be out the north so the access oh

[1:03:59] Voice 3: is that what i think that's what it said

[1:04:01] Voice 3: that's where it makes sense because i've got it sitting in um where it sits in the proposed

[1:04:07] Voice 3: proposed amendments it is within uh three percent okay well that answers that question that's the

[1:04:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): way i read

[1:04:14] Voice 3: it and and

[1:04:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): it says wherever possible but i don't think it's about the float being

[1:04:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): oriented you simply can't do that

[1:04:21] Voice 3: yeah that's what i was thinking but

[1:04:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe i'm wrong no it

[1:04:23] Voice 3: would make more sense your interpretation so and the other thing is um you know again back to the

[1:04:30] Voice 3: tree cutting the the raw it would have been a lot easier had we been able to and i know that we can

[1:04:37] Voice 3: make wording changes that were a lot softer because that although there wasn't a lot of

[1:04:43] Voice 3: response to the riparian area regulations coming onto gambier now there is and and i knew once

[1:04:50] Voice 3: people started to actually have to deal with it they would be screaming and that's one of the

[1:04:58] Voice 3: things that doesn't make sense is you can cut two trees this much and you can whereas if it had been

[1:05:04] Voice 3: being a little bit more softer worded more vague they wouldn't have the issue because it's just not

[1:05:11] Voice 3: we can't run the term but we we just can't manage that somebody cuts here a few trees here and there

[1:05:21] Voice 3: so

[1:05:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway i'm wrong it does say that the dog should be aligned

[1:05:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the north south direction

[1:05:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'm trying to find i think that page

[1:05:31] Voice 3: 39 at the bottom it's in e yeah

[1:05:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): but i think that came

[1:05:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the ministry I was one of those that came from the

[1:05:40] Voice 3: guidelines

[1:05:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): page page 47

[1:05:48] Voice 3: and

[1:05:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): then it says

[1:05:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes it's just a new guideline is under the Flynn row and they suggested we allow for maximum amount

[1:06:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): of light current connection to the water service ducts should be aligned in the north-south

[1:06:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): direction to the maximum extent possible given the site and i assume that means is because

[1:06:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): then the dark the the narrow side the long sides of the talk would be east and west which would

[1:06:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): get the most light but yeah you can't suggest

[1:06:29] Voice 3: we just take that out because i don't think

[1:06:32] Voice 3: it's just going to cause more problems i

[1:06:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean i know it says this to the maximum

[1:06:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): which sense it's possible to

[1:06:38] Voice 3: cite specific

[1:06:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): conditions but the whole of the east side

[1:06:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): gambier the docks are facing more or less sort of northwest by by southeast or the other way around

[1:06:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): south whatever it is i just think that's too too i just think

[1:06:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): anywhere i think if we go with the 43

[1:07:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): open space yeah i i'm satisfied with that but i so i'm

[1:07:08] Voice 3: hearing that trustees may not make that

[1:07:10] Voice 3: that part of the action

[1:07:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay

[1:07:12] Voice 3: thanks

[1:07:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): for raising that i had this right now okay

[1:07:18] Voice 3: trustees would

[1:07:20] Voice 3: we like to make some of these recommendations that they uh are up here go ahead i could just

[1:07:25] Voice 3: add one more thing i just wanted to point out that um because of the changes that have been

[1:07:30] Voice 3: made staff are recommending that this be referred to first nations again yeah i

[1:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): saw that i just

[1:07:36] Voice 3: wanted to make sure i

[1:07:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): know i think it has to be referred to most if for nothing no other reason

[1:07:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the dvp uh change um i mean that's you know that's that to my mind the rest of the i mean

[1:07:51] Voice 6: i

[1:07:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): notice you're not recommending we're sitting for three of these things this is a this is not

[1:07:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): these are all or tweakings that you do various things and there may be more um i do think it

[1:08:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): needs to go back to their commentary on change

[1:08:12] Voice 4: but

[1:08:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm happy to move this and i do want to talk

[1:08:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): about this process i'll move that the gambier trust committee request following changes to

[1:08:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): propose bylaw number 53 a in section 1.4 schedule 1 under the heading justification amend the number

[1:08:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): 90 with code over 120 and b replace plan one with amendment plan one number one in attachment one

[1:08:42] Voice 3: thank you and uh i'm assuming diane is catching this this is he's just read a recommendation

[1:08:48] Voice 3: recommendation number one for anybody following the law on page 39. Any more discussion? Okay.

[1:08:56] Voice 3: Thank you. And then I'll call the question. All those in favor? One, two, and my hand goes up.

[1:09:01] Voice 3: That passes unanimously.

[1:09:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now what? If it's all right with you, I'm going to make these

[1:09:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): individually. Yeah. I'm going to move that the GAM Bureau, and so Diana, I'm just going to,

[1:09:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): each time I'll repeat the work. Someone will repeat the intro, but I'm going to do these

[1:09:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): individually. That the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare

[1:09:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): the following to, sorry, prepare, I have to reword this, the following change to

[1:09:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): proposed bylaw number 154, in Schedule 1, Sections 1.7, 1.10, 1.4, 1.21,

[1:09:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): replace the number 35 square meters, 377 square feet, with 36 square meters,

[1:09:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): 387.5 square feet and

[1:09:54] Voice 3: i think you meant to say 1.14 yes

[1:09:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): i didn't i

[1:09:59] Voice 3: didn't mean that yeah okay

[1:10:01] Voice 3: do i have a seconder thank you and any discussion no

[1:10:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't need to repeat what i said earlier

[1:10:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is it would be useful to be able to provide some of the scientific um basis beyond what's in

[1:10:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): the stock report and i appreciate there is some stuff in the stock reporter

[1:10:19] Voice 3: so are you able to

[1:10:20] Voice 3: put little notations in for rationale on that i'm into the bylaws we

[1:10:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): can make a motion to ask for

[1:10:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): because

[1:10:31] Voice 3: i think that's very useful one second i just want to check in with diane because i saw her

[1:10:35] Voice 3: appear there for a moment diane are you hearing everything oh

[1:10:39] Voice 2: actually i found the speech was

[1:10:41] Voice 2: much too fast for me to get so i'll have to listen to the recording i guess unless it's written

[1:10:46] Voice 2: i

[1:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): can say that the gambier island local trust committee request staff to prepare

[1:10:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): the following change so that's singular to propose bylaw number 154 and then I

[1:10:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): just read paragraph 8

[1:11:04] Voice 3: it's just the same it's 2a exactly as written except that

[1:11:09] Voice 3: the word change is singular and he's going to read that for each of these it

[1:11:16] Voice 3: sounds like that make sense yeah

[1:11:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): good you would you like me to do it

[1:11:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): differently diane uh

[1:11:25] Voice 2: well i'm not familiar with the whole uh you guys are way more into

[1:11:30] Voice 2: the details than i am so i don't always know where we are okay oh

[1:11:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm sorry we're going

[1:11:37] Voice 3: we're on

[1:11:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): page 39 we're the motions that are part of the staff report okay

[1:11:43] Voice 3: we're working our way

[1:11:45] Voice 3: down through those so that was 2a okay and uh we haven't done one before and uh now i'm hoping that

[1:11:54] Voice 3: we're moving down the list so what's

[1:11:56] Voice 8: next trustees

[1:11:57] Voice 3: did we vote on it uh let me check no i think i

[1:12:01] Voice 4: don't think we did

[1:12:01] Voice 3: yes so we've had a motion moved and seconded that's right no i don't have a check

[1:12:06] Voice 3: mark motion moved and seconded any more discussion all those in favor one two three hands went up so

[1:12:13] Voice 3: that passes unanimously that was uh recommendation to a what's next do you want to move more i can

[1:12:23] Voice 3: yeah

[1:12:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just trying to figure out because they were built into one motion i'm just trying to

[1:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): figure out how to word this so that's clearer you can just read it that the gambier island

[1:12:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): local trust committee requests staff to change proposed bylaw number 154

[1:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): in and just have b or as follows okay

[1:12:58] Voice 4: and

[1:13:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that makes any sense to you just trying to word it so

[1:13:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): it makes more sense oh

[1:13:09] Voice 2: yeah yeah i got that thank you okay and

[1:13:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): then and then the wording in paragraph

[1:13:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): b which is an appendix one nine point three dp shoreline point two exemptions item j replaced

[1:13:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): with quote the pruning trimming or living of trees provided it cannot reasonably be expected to

[1:13:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): result in the death or removal of the tree so

[1:13:31] Voice 3: just desperate correct okay thank you do i have a

[1:13:35] Voice 3: seconder advocate elisa seconded that uh any more discussion we talked about this earlier

[1:13:42] Voice 3: all right then i'm going to call the question all those in favor one two three hands go up

[1:13:46] Voice 3: uh that passes unanimously thank you very much uh next do you want me to yeah i move that the

[1:13:57] Voice 3: gambier on local trust committee request staff to change bylaw proposed bylaw number one five

[1:14:12] Voice 3: appendix 1 9.3 and this is the whole of c okay

[1:14:18] Voice 2: so

[1:14:22] Voice 3: this is thank you and i see a seconder so this is

[1:14:24] Voice 3: we're on page 39 and the uh trustees are not wanting to read all the words it's already

[1:14:30] Voice 3: written up there and typed and uh so we've got motion moved and seconded um any more discussion

[1:14:37] Voice 3: no

[1:14:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): this well I'll just say that this one is came from ministry itself and it just

[1:14:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): provides that if the ministry wants to do wildlife to restoration stream

[1:14:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): enhancement trail construction etc etc etc they don't need the DP to do that

[1:14:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah so that's that makes sense to me

[1:15:01] Voice 3: okay great all right so then if there's

[1:15:04] Voice 3: no more discussion i'm going to call the question all those in favor one two three hands go up that

[1:15:10] Voice 3: passes unanimously thank you and i'll do the next one and i'll read it out i move that the gambiarra

[1:15:15] Voice 3: local trust committee request staff to change proposed bylaw number in appendix 1 9.3 dp3

[1:15:27] Voice 3: shoreline three guidelines item m with decking materials must allow for minimum of 43 percent

[1:15:37] Voice 3: open space to allow penetration the water surface light transmitting

[1:15:43] Voice 3: materials may be made of various materials shaped in the form of grits

[1:15:47] Voice 3: grates and lapses to allow for light passage water surface if I could just

[1:15:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): say this again came as a recommendation from who was actually the the approving

[1:16:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the final authorization for docs uh so this is obviously uh a line that makes sense to me okay

[1:16:22] Voice 3: uh any more discussion all those in favor one two three hands go up that passes unanimously

[1:16:29] Voice 3: uh what's next i move that the gambier on local trust committee requests staff to change bylaw

[1:16:37] Voice 3: law number 154 in appendix 1 9.3 dp three shoreline three guidelines add a new guideline

[1:16:47] Voice 3: in n that provides to allow for the maximum amount of light penetration to the water surface

[1:16:53] Voice 3: and i'm going to cut out that part that goes from docks

[1:17:03] Voice 2: aligned

[1:17:04] Voice 3: to north south direction

[1:17:06] Voice 3: diane okay

[1:17:08] Voice 2: renumber

[1:17:11] Voice 3: the subsequent guidelines great was that clear just read it without that

[1:17:18] Voice 3: for an appendix one 9.3 eq shoreline three guidelines add a new guideline and that provides

[1:17:26] Voice 3: to allow for the maximum amount of light penetration to the water surface and renumber

[1:17:36] Voice 3: the subsequent very good thank you we have a motion do i have a secretary i don't understand

[1:17:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): the motion because it it doesn't provide in the guidelines you're supposed to say here's what you

[1:17:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): have to do it just says to allow the maximum amount of library operation that's a an objective

[1:18:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's not a guideline

[1:18:11] Voice 4: no i

[1:18:13] Voice 3: don't think we need it at all okay so i'm not getting a second for this

[1:18:16] Voice 3: and uh so i'm going to uh so i think that one fails because it didn't get a secondary

[1:18:24] Voice 3: that's fine okay and then there's more there's

[1:18:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): one more and i'll i'll move that the local trust

[1:18:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee request staff to prepare uh change to propose bylaw number one five four uh in appendix

[1:18:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): one nine point three db3 shoreline point three this is f diane guidelines item q replace with

[1:18:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): quote the access ramps pier walkways and stairs for dock should not exceed a maximum width of one

[1:18:56] Voice 3: thank you do i have a seconder and i see a seconder in caitlyn stanford any more discussion

[1:19:01] Voice 3: i'll

[1:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): just say this again was a i believe a recommendation from the province who indicated

[1:19:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we had originally language access ramp walkways and stairs and that peers should be

[1:19:13] added because peers are part of the of the structure they're not a lot

[1:19:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): of them but there

[1:19:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): are currently and of course there could be more so i think that's an appropriate

[1:19:30] Voice 3: comment a question

[1:19:31] Voice 3: I guess, and it relates to something that Mr. Sheppard said, relating to lifts and different

[1:19:43] Voice 3: mechanized ways of getting access, in that those kinds of things, as I've experienced

[1:19:51] Voice 3: them on BOA, tend to have a little platform or a little footing, and I wondered if you

[1:19:58] Voice 3: wanted to say something about that here.

[1:20:00] Voice 3: Maybe you have more experience than me.

[1:20:02] Voice 3: I don't know.

[1:20:03] Voice 3: So I knew a few years ago you had a problem with those tramway things, right?

[1:20:12] Voice 3: And so I'm just wondering whether we should be thinking about that.

[1:20:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, we could.

[1:20:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): At this stage, my view is they're considered to be structures that would require a ramp

[1:20:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they often go right down to them.

[1:20:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): They are not included in the exemptions.

[1:20:30] Access

[1:20:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): ramps, piers, walkways, or stairs, they are.

[1:20:39] Voice 4: We

[1:20:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): had to approve an exemption variance for one on Gambier.

[1:20:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): we refused an exemption

[1:20:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe

[1:20:54] Voice 3: this isn't the appropriate place

[1:20:55] Voice 3: to be thinking of it because it's specific

[1:20:58] Voice 3: to the stuff but I wondered if

[1:21:00] Voice 3: I think it's important to acknowledge

[1:21:03] Voice 3: them but that maybe

[1:21:04] Voice 3: the way to go forward is through

[1:21:07] Voice 3: this because each one seems

[1:21:12] Voice 3: to be very different in their

[1:21:13] Voice 3: level of impact on the

[1:21:16] Voice 3: foreshore and just how big they are

[1:21:18] Voice 3: it's completely different for each

[1:21:20] Voice 3: so

[1:21:22] Voice 3: I'm wondering if that's the better

[1:21:24] Voice 3: recall sure i'll just i'll withdraw that because it's i've seen it is a good point too it relates

[1:21:33] Voice 3: to the shoreline and the member of the public brought it up so if you have more thoughts about

[1:21:39] Voice 3: it perhaps you can discuss it at a future meeting um then i'm going to ask is there any more

[1:21:45] Voice 3: discussion on this motion that's been moved i think it was moved in second yeah and no more

[1:21:52] Voice 3: discussion then i'm going to call the question all those in favor one two three hands for that

[1:21:56] Voice 3: Yeah, so that passes you that I'm sleeping.

[1:21:59] Voice 3: And then there's a third one.

[1:22:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, just to raise the follow-up on the point you raised,

[1:22:07] with the public, it

[1:22:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): may be an issue in the future

[1:22:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): because people are going to, oh, there's another name.

[1:22:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): A vernacular.

[1:22:22] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:22:23] Voice 3: A

[1:22:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): vernacular is in.

[1:22:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): You know, there's a debate.

[1:22:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've heard both sides of it about this issue,

[1:22:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is people will not be able to access their properties

[1:22:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): unless they have.

[1:22:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): people say and I've had other people say to me islands are islands walkways all

[1:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorts of things they are they do have some challenges to get in and eventually

[1:23:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): people quote-unquote I don't mean to be ageist about this but they age out and I

[1:23:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): know that and I say that with all respect as people in their 90s that come

[1:23:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): to Keats on a regular basis they're healthy they're good so but at this

[1:23:21] stage just to be clear my

[1:23:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): understanding is biniculars are structures if they're

[1:23:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the setback there are structures that aren't in our list of exemptions or permitted structures

[1:23:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the setback so that's this current state of affairs that's why i understand okay

[1:23:38] Voice 4: don't require

[1:23:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): us in my view a change to our bylaws and we have granted for them i know we low scale and it was

[1:23:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): for exactly the reason that someone said i won't be able to back the property i've considered my

[1:24:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): neighbors and we've done it as little time as we can and it made sense to do it and

[1:24:09] Voice 3: yet that point

[1:24:10] Voice 3: was brought up maybe is going to be cannot access we looked at another one which was quite a lot

[1:24:22] Voice 3: bigger in scale and potentially managed yeah okay thanks i

[1:24:30] Voice 3: don't know what's

[1:24:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): the right answer to

[1:24:31] Voice 3: that yeah no i just check it i mean if we're adding in this one we're adding with pier then

[1:24:36] Voice 3: given

[1:24:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): it isn't about the width of the subway this is a

[1:24:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): with this you have

[1:24:41] Voice 3: related

[1:24:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): to a dog it's about what they whether they should be permitted at all

[1:24:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a different technology

[1:24:51] Voice 3: the question for another day anyway the

[1:24:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): gambaril

[1:24:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trust Committee request after for First Nations and and I'll only just say the

[1:25:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): list that's in paragraph a because a number of them I I don't want to

[1:25:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): disrespect the nation I miss pronouncing okay

[1:25:10] Voice 3: so this is the list that's on page

[1:25:12] Voice 3: Page 40 of our agenda, the 3A, the list of First Nations.

[1:25:17] Voice 3: That should be consulted.

[1:25:19] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:25:20] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:25:21] Voice 3: Do I have a seconder?

[1:25:21] Voice 3: Thank you, Kate and Louise.

[1:25:23] Voice 3: Any more discussion?

[1:25:25] Voice 3: All those in favour?

[1:25:26] Voice 3: One, two, and my hand goes up.

[1:25:28] Voice 3: Thanks.

[1:25:29] Voice 3: Three.

[1:25:29] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[1:25:30] Voice 3: That passes.

[1:25:31] Voice 3: Mr. Lee?

[1:25:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just asked a question.

[1:25:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Should that say re-refer or does it matter?

[1:25:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there are a couple of other things I wanted to chat.

[1:25:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): If that's okay, Madam Chair.

[1:25:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm

[1:25:46] Voice 3: just saying, I'm looking at the clock.

[1:25:48] Voice 3: We've got a break coming up soon.

[1:25:49] Voice 3: It's 12.10.

[1:25:50] Voice 3: we're supposed to break at 12 15 okay

[1:25:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i'm in your hands but uh go

[1:25:57] Voice 3: ahead i mean

[1:25:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a fairly

[1:25:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): short agenda after this is

[1:26:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh first of all i'd like to maybe i can have some of this conversation

[1:26:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): offline but i'd like both of your inputs this is the only chance we have to talk about we are

[1:26:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): getting some feedback uh from individuals who are writing i'm going to encourage more and i guess

[1:26:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): we should have a way of an understanding about whether we're going to respond i've seen the

[1:26:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner respond to some of them and and then the plan is to resolve them or when they make

[1:26:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggestions or whether the plan would be to have sort of a group feed my suggestion would be there

[1:26:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): are somewhere they ask questions i think it's important to answer questions and i think the

[1:26:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner would be very good at answering questions sometimes i ask thank

[1:27:08] Voice 3: you is that we we get some

[1:27:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): form of communications i was to where we're at here's the highlights here's the frequently asked

[1:27:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): questions we're still getting emails from people that you know repairs to their structure they're

[1:27:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): building their house and that's in the dp so or required development permit which it won't if they

[1:27:44] If they replace it, it won't,

[1:27:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): but a repair is an exception, as I understand it.

[1:27:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): It would be good to gather up a lot of the questions.

[1:27:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'd like to suggest that if we can, we get that.

[1:28:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because my thinking is, you know, we get the feedback in the course of the next eight weeks from folks.

[1:28:20] We get questions answered.

[1:28:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): We get a feedback question.

[1:28:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): We maybe come to our February 3rd and we see where we're at.

[1:28:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that we may see how we're doing with our referrals to the First Nation. We may

[1:28:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): be in a position to start to talk about setting up a public hearing. I'm sort of

[1:28:44] thinking generally and

[1:28:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): that could put us in a public hearing perhaps by, I forget

[1:28:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): our schedule, but let's say by April or something. Yeah but it doesn't, yeah it

[1:29:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): could be attached to the LTC as long as it's not, actually the way the Canucks are

[1:29:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): playing it may not be much competition i was going to say as long as it's not in the night

[1:29:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the next game we probably get some my experience is when we get to public hearing

[1:29:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): if it's something that people are interested in they come we certainly have that with a lot of

[1:29:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): local lines 696 i'm guessing we'll get some anyway that's sort of a general thought and there's no

[1:29:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): set timeline i'm not saying we have to get there by march 31st maybe june but i'd like to get to

[1:29:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): to a yes or no, you know, before the summer,

[1:29:54] Voice 5: just to know if we're-

[1:29:58] Voice 3: Very good.

[1:30:00] Voice 3: I was just thinking in addition to this, although all the changes have been laid out here in bylaw form in the motions, it may be worthwhile for you to do a little plain language communique that says, this is what we heard and this is what we've done in response to, here's what the changes will be in a non-bylaw format that's easier to digest or whatever you would usually do.

[1:30:27] Voice 3: because we do like that question like most commonly asked questions i really like because

[1:30:33] Voice 3: people just go to the question they have and it's a really clear way of getting

[1:30:37] Voice 3: getting your points across too the nice thing about a fact which i frequently ask questions

[1:30:45] Voice 3: it's usually referred to um is that you can add to them too as you go yeah or clarify them if it's

[1:30:52] Voice 3: a web page if you could go back to that link again it'll show yeah

[1:30:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it's not and it's not just

[1:30:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): questions um it's also people making their comments like like frequent comments we've got

[1:31:08] uh and the one for example i don't think anybody misunderstands the 10 meter setback for dogs but

[1:31:15] they they have concerns about it so it's also frequently frequent concerns and i guess my

[1:31:22] One question for the RPM would be, do you need a motion to that extent?

[1:31:25] Or

[1:31:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): can I just work with the planner and prepare something like that?

[1:31:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): Or do you need a motion if we want to get something out, say, in the second week of January to the community?

[1:31:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Probably be better.

[1:31:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because it is also, we have lots of, you know, we have answers to give.

[1:31:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): But it's not just questions.

[1:31:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's also concerns that are raised.

[1:31:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): We heard some today.

[1:31:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): We heard some in writing.

[1:31:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): that they focus on a few things most so far it could be others as we get all right well then

[1:32:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me think about that i'm thinking

[1:32:05] Voice 3: just add uh that we also had that idea of uh putting

[1:32:09] Voice 3: making sure the link to the webinars the raincoats webinars at the green shores those kinds of

[1:32:15] Voice 3: what's the science behind this right

[1:32:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): are we protecting shore so how about something like

[1:32:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): this i'll speak slowly diane um i move that uh the ltc the gambier ltc request staff to work with

[1:32:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustees plural to develop a public mail out that addresses frequently asked questions public

[1:32:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): concerns and scientific justification for aspects of the a lot of changes

[1:33:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you

[1:33:18] Voice 3: to

[1:33:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): be you have to be sent out by mid-january of 2022 I

[1:33:46] Voice 3: think

[1:33:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean I I

[1:33:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): I would like, I mean, I have a certain reach, but I don't have a complete.

[1:33:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Why

[1:33:56] Voice 3: don't you say email or mail out?

[1:33:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, because the staff has to do the mail out.

[1:34:01] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:34:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): If it's an email, it mostly just comes from me.

[1:34:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I have a certain reach on Keats Island, but I can't guarantee I reach everybody.

[1:34:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it gets shared around, but I mean, I will, if it's mailed out, I will then email it out as well.

[1:34:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I mean, that's the way I'll do it.

[1:34:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I just wonder if we're going to miss anybody if we don't mail it out.

[1:34:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I know there's a cost attached.

[1:34:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hire someone to sell it.

[1:34:38] Voice 3: No, I will say from your budget perspective, it's fun work, but not huge.

[1:34:46] Voice 3: And if you want to reach the most people,

[1:34:49] Voice 4: it really is your best bet.

[1:34:50] Voice 4: Because we're going

[1:34:51] Voice 4: to have to

[1:34:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): do another one for any public hearing, aren't we?

[1:34:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): For the public hearing.

[1:34:56] Voice 3: We've got

[1:34:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do another mail-in.

[1:34:58] Voice 4: Well, sure.

[1:35:02] Voice 3: if you had a

[1:35:02] Voice 3: changing a piece of land to do a mail out to the adjacent property owners but you don't

[1:35:07] Voice 3: have to

[1:35:07] Voice 4: do a mail out for a general change yeah

[1:35:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): probably i would though we would want to do i mean

[1:35:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't want anybody to come back and say we didn't know about okay so so okay okay did we

[1:35:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): get enough clarity in that motion diane to be above the mail out that it's a mail out yeah i

[1:35:28] Voice 2: didn't put email in there that's

[1:35:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay i will email it separately i mean i just do that as a regular

[1:35:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): of course you don't so that it's not a staff responsibility i am the i have the um 100

[1:35:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): 185 emails from and

[1:35:49] Voice 3: uh but diane right now just to confirm right now it says mail out right

[1:35:54] Voice 3: that's right you don't need to be more clear than that do you

[1:36:00] Voice 3: canada post or anything like that okay i don't

[1:36:03] Voice 3: thank you so now we've got a motion

[1:36:05] Voice 3: I think you saw that C.K. Louise is seconded it and any more discussion I have a little bit of

[1:36:14] Voice 3: question about by asking staff to describe public concerns whether that puts staff in a funny place

[1:36:23] Voice 3: of having to describe what other people are saying not in their own voice like wouldn't it be easier

[1:36:30] Voice 3: just to put a link to the letters and things that people are putting in already or do you want to

[1:36:39] Voice 3: describe that i i think we can work on it and keep it clean and objective whereas going i mean they

[1:36:46] Voice 3: always have the option we could say we have the option to look at the original material right

[1:36:50] Voice 3: well i saw you gesturing to trustees so it sounds like trustees are going to help with the drafting

[1:36:59] Voice 3: well

[1:36:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's why i said trustees plural yeah um no

[1:37:04] Voice 4: no i

[1:37:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): was going to die that's why i turned to

[1:37:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee stanford said do you want to be involved because otherwise i would just do it i think

[1:37:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think christina stanford is very good at this

[1:37:14] Voice 3: good so all clear oh good that's very good then

[1:37:17] Voice 3: i'm going to say any more discussion then i'll call the question all those are paper

[1:37:22] Voice 3: one two three hands went up that's great thank you very much

[1:37:29] Voice 3: now we're uh we can look and come back to the correspondence and so um thanks everybody

[1:37:40] Voice 3: as long as after the break you're doing 10

[1:37:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): .2 10.2

[1:37:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah 10

[1:37:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): .2 but that's fine yeah

[1:37:51] Voice 3: so after the break

[1:37:52] Voice 3: we'll come back to the gambier island official community plan uh and land use bylaw targeted

[1:37:56] Voice 3: review yeah so assuming arnie's listening there she'll know that we're going to take a half an

[1:38:02] Voice 3: hour break and uh we'll come back at 12 55. that is right okay 55. i'm just gonna i'm

[1:38:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): with you i

[1:38:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): leave it i shut it down on galliano and then i started it up and it wouldn't oh no you know what

[1:38:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh here's something here's something

[1:38:38] Voice 6: you know what i did

[1:38:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll tell you what i did i'll just

[1:38:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): say this i didn't have my computer plugged in oh and it died but it's great as we took our

[1:38:49] Voice 4: so

[1:38:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't think we missed anything but it was a real lesson to keep that computer

[1:38:56] Voice 2: hello hello

[1:39:00] Voice 2: hi uh i'm not sure if you want to mute this section do you do that i'm just about to hit

[1:39:08] Voice 2: the mute button except i saw your

[1:39:10] Voice 3: mic coming on thank you very much that's what i'll do

[1:39:13] Voice 3: thank you and uh we'll re resume for the recording just so everybody knows we're

[1:39:18] Voice 3: going to take a break for half an hour we'll resume in the at our time 12 55. thank you

[2:09:49] Voice 3: Can you see us, Marnie?

[2:09:52] Voice 3: And can you hear us?

[2:09:54] Voice 3: Good.

[2:09:55] Planner Eggen (probable): Yes, I can hear you.

[2:09:56] Voice 3: Very good.

[2:10:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hi, Diane.

[2:10:06] Voice 3: Hi, Diane.

[2:10:07] Voice 3: I

[2:10:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): just have to say once again how great those speakers are.

[2:10:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[2:10:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): And the microphone is amazing.

[2:10:13] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:10:15] Voice 3: I discovered that if you aren't in a Zoom, like sometimes if we're in a camera

[2:10:20] Voice 3: or we want to have a meeting with somebody else, you can use this as a Bluetooth speaker

[2:10:25] Voice 3: as long as you don't do any recording or anything.

[2:10:29] Voice 3: you're not using it as a you're not using the camera anyway fascinating because it's got a

[2:10:35] Voice 3: mic and speakers we're going to reconvene this meeting now at and it's uh 12 55 on november 18th

[2:10:49] Voice 3: so we're part of the gambier island local trust committee meeting and we're resuming after our

[2:10:53] Voice 3: lunch break um and we're on our agenda at page 10 point uh sorry item 10.2 so this is the gambier

[2:11:01] Voice 3: Island official community plan and land use by-law targeted review project and we've got an update

[2:11:05] Voice 3: from planner Marnie Agus. Marnie take it away.

[2:11:09] Planner Eggen (probable): Thanks Chair Fast. So yes this is a memorandum

[2:11:13] Planner Eggen (probable): providing an update on the Gambier Island official community plan and land use by-law

[2:11:18] Planner Eggen (probable): targeted review project and actually I do have a more up-to-date update that I can provide verbally

[2:11:27] Planner Eggen (probable): um right now and unfortunately it's a bit of bad news um the submission deadline for request for

[2:11:38] Planner Eggen (probable): proposals was yesterday and the request for proposals went out for in order to hire a

[2:11:46] Planner Eggen (probable): consultant to prepare the engagement and communications plan for the project the

[2:11:53] Planner Eggen (probable): deadline was yesterday for submissions and at that deadline we received no submissions.

[2:12:01] Voice 3: Yes that is the other side of this. Yes

[2:12:04] Planner Eggen (probable): so vendors have advised me that they didn't have capacity at

[2:12:12] Planner Eggen (probable): this time to take on the project and the request for proposal process path that we followed was

[2:12:22] Planner Eggen (probable): vetted by the Provincial Procurement Director who was assisting us

[2:12:28] Planner Eggen (probable): through this project from the beginning. And the request for proposal path that

[2:12:37] Planner Eggen (probable): we took, we sent out the request for proposal to five qualified vendors after

[2:12:44] Planner Eggen (probable): we did some market research. The Procurement Director has advised that

[2:12:50] Planner Eggen (probable): the eight thousand dollar budget for phase one was likely not sufficiently large enough to attract

[2:12:58] Planner Eggen (probable): vendors even though in the rfp process and rfps in the rfp that we sent out to the vendors

[2:13:05] Planner Eggen (probable): we did include the estimated budgets for each of the um subsequent phases of the proposal so

[2:13:14] Planner Eggen (probable): So phase two and phase three to indicate to the vendors that there's future opportunity

[2:13:21] Planner Eggen (probable): there for them.

[2:13:24] Voice 4: So

[2:13:25] Planner Eggen (probable): in light of this, staff will need to take a bit of time to develop some options and

[2:13:29] Planner Eggen (probable): next steps, which would come to the LTC at your next meeting, which is in February.

[2:13:36] Planner Eggen (probable): So this would result in a delay of the first phase of the project by a couple of months.

[2:13:48] Planner Eggen (probable): However, in the meantime, other work on the project can progress, such as continued work on the discussion papers.

[2:13:59] Planner Eggen (probable): and of course staff will follow up with and advise the working group members to

[2:14:08] Planner Eggen (probable): stay tuned and hang in there and we'll provide them with next steps as well

[2:14:23] Voice 3: I'm not entirely surprised just given the way the market is. I know you have to go

[2:14:30] Voice 3: through a particular provincial process um marnie but it um like i know there's some

[2:14:38] Voice 3: project planners on on the island i'm not sure if they have access to the same

[2:14:44] Voice 3: um vendor request for interest um as other people so no on

[2:14:55] Voice 3: gambier uh

[2:14:57] Planner Eggen (probable): so the process that was vetted

[2:15:00] Planner Eggen (probable): through the province they they told us that um you know this could go out to bc bid which is what

[2:15:08] Planner Eggen (probable): um is an option so that goes out and any qualify any vendors can um have that have access to bc bid

[2:15:19] Planner Eggen (probable): can bid on that but this in the process that we went through it it was not through bc bid and

[2:15:28] Planner Eggen (probable): And we, through market research, decided on five different vendors to send the request for proposal to.

[2:15:38] Planner Eggen (probable): So it's kind of a smaller competition.

[2:15:42] Planner Eggen (probable): And like I say, this is a vetted process that we went through.

[2:15:49] Planner Eggen (probable): Given the size of the project and the size of the budget, this kind of mini process was appropriate.

[2:15:59] Planner Eggen (probable): Okay.

[2:16:00] Voice 3: Okay, thank you. I'll note too that it's still COVID times and all the rules are changing all the time and some people are concerned about travel and ferries and that kind of stuff, especially, well, it wouldn't have, the floods and the landslides wouldn't have been probably part of that discussion, but anyway.

[2:16:22] Voice 3: If we can't get somebody, is there a plan B?

[2:16:27] Voice 3: well

[2:16:28] Planner Eggen (probable): that's that's what staff will have to work on and provide you some options for for a plan b

[2:16:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll just i'll just say what j louise stanford's thinking

[2:16:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is this is this this we've been down this road before

[2:16:54] Voice 5: we

[2:16:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): had a whole apc working group

[2:16:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): eventually give up throw up their hands and say well nothing's going to happen we're going to

[2:17:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): all resign and

[2:17:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): they did so my question is is there not a way to in our I'm

[2:17:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry I've got pull up the project charter but is there not a way to engage

[2:17:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the working group now while we're waiting for the consultant at least give

[2:17:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): them some training or some outline of what their roles are going to be or

[2:17:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): develop a develop a work plan for them that while we're waiting to get a

[2:17:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): consultants on top i mean there's kind of i just february the third is a long way away

[2:17:38] Voice 4: yeah

[2:17:40] Voice 4: uh

[2:17:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's all you know it's that's two and a half months from now

[2:17:44] Voice 4: and um

[2:17:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): and getting closer to the

[2:17:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): end of the term etc etc so i guess i wonder whether there's something that can be productive

[2:17:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i appreciate you're doing the background i forget what you call them

[2:17:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): discussion papers

[2:17:59] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah is there a way we can sort of at least engage the working

[2:18:04] group so that they feel

[2:18:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): like they're not just being pushed aside for for another two and a

[2:18:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): half months and uh and get them to at least sort of get them some training or some information or

[2:18:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): something so it feels like they're doing something that something productive is happening

[2:18:23] Planner Eggen (probable): Mm-hmm. Well, so this information is new to staff as of yesterday, so we haven't had sufficient time to really think about potential options, including, you know, what we could do with the working group before February.

[2:18:40] Planner Eggen (probable): but I can say that as a part of the work that they were to do is to review

[2:18:48] Planner Eggen (probable): discussion papers so it's potentially possible that we might be able to have

[2:19:00] Planner Eggen (probable): one of those working group meeting before February 3rd potentially to take

[2:19:09] Planner Eggen (probable): a look at uh one or multiple discussion papers anything

[2:19:16] Voice 3: i can do like i'm happy to organize and

[2:19:21] Voice 3: talk to these people i'm wondering if it's worth sort of doing a big picture overview of what's

[2:19:28] Voice 3: happened to date um with the ocp um look at like show them the technical review

[2:19:36] Voice 3: I'm not sure if there's any value in that, but that is all done to date.

[2:19:46] Voice 3: Where we want to go in the end is the sense of the modernizing of what a new OCP could

[2:19:54] Voice 3: look like.

[2:19:56] Voice 3: I'm thinking of things like that, more of a miniature review.

[2:20:01] Voice 3: And just so you know, Marnie, that document that I was going to get printed, unbeknownst

[2:20:08] Voice 3: to me my husband gave it to jeannie who's one of the working with people um and she's going to get

[2:20:16] Voice 3: it uh digitized through um capital and i'm calling

[2:20:20] Voice 4: okay so

[2:20:21] Voice 3: as soon as i get a digitized copy of it

[2:20:24] Voice 3: i'll fire it over to you it's you know for what it's worth i think it's it's a good sort of

[2:20:31] Voice 3: beginning of where some of the forestry issues are coming from so that's yeah

[2:20:41] Planner Eggen (probable): um

[2:20:45] Voice 3: I'm just going to ask Heather Carr if she's got something to contribute here.

[2:20:49] Voice 3: Yeah, I raised my hand, Marnie, just to kind of chime in a little bit.

[2:20:53] Voice 3: I mean, I'm hearing the idea about an orientation and just an introduction to the project.

[2:21:00] Voice 3: And here's what an OCP is, and here's how it works, and here's some focus.

[2:21:05] Voice 3: just so I think that's pretty doable between now and February 3rd to just have kind of an

[2:21:13] Voice 3: introduction to the project and help them get their mind around start thinking about it and

[2:21:21] Voice 3: we could probably give them some things to read and research and think about they think yes but

[2:21:31] Planner Eggen (probable): if you're asking me through the chair

[2:21:34] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah yep let me start yep that sounds fine the one thing

[2:21:38] Planner Eggen (probable): that I would be cognizant of is not sending them off in a lot of directions too far in advance of

[2:21:47] Planner Eggen (probable): what we're working on at the time because we are you know the intent with the first phase was to

[2:21:55] Planner Eggen (probable): have the consultant work with them on getting getting their input on developing the just the

[2:22:03] Planner Eggen (probable): engagement and communications plan for the project so it was going to be focused on that

[2:22:08] Planner Eggen (probable): element and that's how the expressions of interest were also sent out

[2:22:13] Voice 8: to

[2:22:15] Planner Eggen (probable): to you

[2:22:16] Planner Eggen (probable): know to ensure that the people that were submitting expressions of interest were

[2:22:22] Planner Eggen (probable): understanding that the work at hand for the first phase is really to do with

[2:22:28] Planner Eggen (probable): developing the engagement and communications plan so that's that's

[2:22:34] Planner Eggen (probable): what that's where they were supposed to focus their efforts but um yeah i just uh i would want

[2:22:42] Planner Eggen (probable): wouldn't want to start them working on something um that we're not quite there yet with but um

[2:22:53] Planner Eggen (probable): certainly we can provide them with um an introduction and maybe a bit of background

[2:22:58] Planner Eggen (probable): ground on the work done so far and like i say um one of their tasks was to review the discussion

[2:23:09] Planner Eggen (probable): papers as they came available yeah

[2:23:14] Voice 3: even to keep the um you know their overall task which is

[2:23:18] communication strategy in mind as

[2:23:21] Voice 3: they're looking through this stuff with fresh eyes so that

[2:23:24] Voice 3: um they're a different approach hopefully can be considered and

[2:23:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): they get to meet each other

[2:23:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the staff and you yeah i mean you could you have a painful history with this and give them

[2:23:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): some of that i

[2:23:48] Voice 3: won't be sarcastic no

[2:23:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): but i mean it's it's it there's the history and there is

[2:23:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): some work done and it just seems to me there's something we can

[2:24:01] Voice 3: do i

[2:24:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean i

[2:24:03] Voice 3: recognize this i

[2:24:04] Voice 3: I

[2:24:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): recognize this is, I don't know, this was the short process, wasn't it, of doing

[2:24:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): IRP as opposed to DCGIS.

[2:24:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know that we go through the province now for all of this stuff, and this was there

[2:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): that they offered this service to us.

[2:24:19] Voice 4: That's right.

[2:24:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's the, it's a more prolonged process, but it's free and we get some expertise

[2:24:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): attached to it.

[2:24:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's no disrespect to anybody here or anything, not a good omen for it, but this is the one

[2:24:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's going to be a bit of a model but

[2:24:43] Voice 4: also

[2:24:45] Voice 3: like this is a learning journey yeah it's going to be

[2:24:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): a learning journey if we're going to do it differently yeah um maybe liskiti had it right

[2:24:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe maybe we just throw it out to the community let them decide what they want and then we come in

[2:25:00] Voice 3: later and

[2:25:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): pick up the pick up

[2:25:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): the pieces um well

[2:25:03] Voice 3: we've got a we've got a process there now i think

[2:25:06] Voice 3: staff need time to think about it you know uh trustees need time to absorb it and uh think about

[2:25:12] Voice 3: what they might do is there

[2:25:15] Planner Eggen (probable): a motion that you're

[2:25:15] Voice 3: making all right if staff are ready i mean i

[2:25:19] Voice 3: recognize i can't really turn on a dime on this one but i would like to propose that we consider

[2:25:27] Voice 3: a orientation workshop with ocp working group members prior to our next gmltc meeting february

[2:25:44] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:25:45] Voice 3: Well, depending on what we adopt further on in the agenda, yeah, February 3rd.

[2:25:50] Voice 3: So that was the beginning of a motion, Diane.

[2:25:53] Voice 3: I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee do that.

[2:26:00] Voice 3: So what I said was that I request staff to consider convening a OCP working group orientation

[2:26:13] Voice 3: orientation meeting workshop prior to February 3rd, 2022, and that is the Gambier Island OCP

[2:26:24] Voice 3: working.

[2:26:27] Voice 2: Yeah, I got that. Thank you.

[2:26:29] Voice 3: Thank you, Diane. And do I have a seconder? Thank you. I've

[2:26:33] Voice 3: got a seconder in Dan Rogers. Any more discussion? Is this going to be an impact for staff? I'm going

[2:26:41] Voice 3: to ask the question what kind of impacts might this be i've heard of marnie what kind of impacts

[2:26:53] Voice 3: would this motion have on staff well

[2:26:56] Planner Eggen (probable): we were planning on getting going with starting the

[2:27:01] Planner Eggen (probable): working group meetings in the new year so um this is something that we have capacity to do so yeah

[2:27:09] Planner Eggen (probable): very

[2:27:10] Voice 3: good and again I reiterate anything I can do to help smooth this along and

[2:27:16] Voice 3: get it moving I'm happy to jump in so you've got another volunteer there and

[2:27:22] Voice 3: any more discussion all those in favor one two three hands went up so that

[2:27:27] Voice 3: passes unanimously thank you very much

[2:27:30] Voice 3: us in the room have been there as consultants and uh sometimes the work and the things just

[2:27:50] Voice 3: don't line up

[2:27:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): no that's true yeah

[2:27:52] Voice 3: and uh so thank you okay so now we're on to uh 11 this

[2:27:57] Voice 3: correspondence thanks marty thank

[2:27:59] Voice 3: you marty thank you thank

[2:28:00] Planner Eggen (probable): you and

[2:28:03] Voice 3: uh this is just a piece of

[2:28:06] Voice 3: correspondence that came to us from from our uh person i met as ellie uh dr eleanor right and uh

[2:28:21] Voice 3: celebration too for the beginning of the biosphere reserve so we've got this letter here i just

[2:28:26] Voice 3: wanted to trustees do you think we should respond you want me to write her back and what should i

[2:28:32] Voice 3: say it's great to get it i think it's marking the beginning this is a letter from uh unesco

[2:28:38] Voice 3: bias for your region and we are counting on your support to help create pride and excitement in

[2:28:45] Voice 3: this exceptional achievement and uh should i just receive it for information i mean i don't know if

[2:28:55] Voice 3: it's an action item and i don't i know you have to remember what is said in the actual um proposal

[2:29:06] Voice 3: of banana about island's trust specifically i should go back and look at the nasco proposal

[2:29:13] Voice 3: and just see how much they know about us that would be helpful um you could just bring it to

[2:29:19] Voice 3: the next meeting if you want i don't think there's a rush on this yeah i can do that okay great i'm

[2:29:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): assuming this is a letter that was probably sent out to all local governments in the area

[2:29:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a standard level and um i've never heard you called sue before

[2:29:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): and um so that's interesting i i mean i i agree with you i don't think it's an action item

[2:29:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): necessarily but we could write back and say great to hear from you we're excited too and

[2:29:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they should get right back and say we're excited to hear from you

[2:29:53] Voice 3: we're more excited

[2:29:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah no no no no thank you

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): didn't seem to me that there was

[2:30:01] Voice 3: yeah but

[2:30:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): they hopefully know we're very supportive

[2:30:06] Voice 3: so i'll just

[2:30:07] Voice 3: uh maybe for the follow-up action list kate louise is going to look into the islands trust place

[2:30:13] Voice 3: i remember looking at it

[2:30:16] Voice 3: now yeah because i don't i'm drawing a complete blank on it okay thank you

[2:30:22] Voice 3: okay let's just receive it for information at the moment and then if we want to respond later we can

[2:30:28] Voice 3: and put it on the agenda, depending on what we find out before February 3rd, maybe get it done by then.

[2:30:38] Voice 3: Okay, great. Thank you. And new business here, climate change mitigation adaptation, page 76.

[2:30:45] Voice 3: I put this in because I didn't know that the news would be full of landslides and floods.

[2:30:52] Voice 3: floods and some of the recent community information meetings I gathered that some islanders weren't

[2:31:03] Voice 3: aware of rising sea levels.

[2:31:06] Voice 3: So I just put this one in as an example because we have the climate action mitigation and

[2:31:13] Voice 3: adaptation as a standing item on our agenda and so I never know what to put in there.

[2:31:19] Voice 3: But I did think, in case we wanted to have a conversation I put this here, the link is

[2:31:24] Voice 3: up there at the top of the image and it's very interesting to look at.

[2:31:29] Voice 3: It's one of these kinds of new interactive maps that use global data sets and they're

[2:31:39] Voice 3: updating them all the time.

[2:31:40] Voice 3: So when I went back to it, it had been updated again and you can set it to which ice sheet

[2:31:47] Voice 3: you want to melt oh whatever yeah but just to help with our outreach or with the science needed or

[2:31:57] Voice 3: i just wanted to bring it to everybody's attention um that it can um maybe it's not needed now that

[2:32:05] Voice 3: everybody's aware of more aware of climate change well

[2:32:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i do remember that at the evening cim there

[2:32:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a question from somebody who said so what's the sea level rise in this area you know

[2:32:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): where's the where's the science or whatever i'm not sure the exact question i'm paraphrasing but

[2:32:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): they basically said you know what's what's going to be the impact here and i think we all sort of

[2:32:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): said well we all know what it's going to be there's that out there and i've seen these that

[2:32:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): are specific to the lower in this area i feel like the only i want to go in about this is this is

[2:32:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): more what happens with Greenland melts as

[2:32:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): opposed to well here's the scientific

[2:32:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): prognostication about sea level rise for our particular area and what the impact is.

[2:33:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think there's stuff like that out there.

[2:33:03] Voice 3: There is and the trouble is what I

[2:33:06] Voice 3: could find at the time, putting the agenda together was reports from like

[2:33:10] Voice 3: three years ago, the

[2:33:12] Voice 3: projections that came out from Metro Vancouver in 2017, 17, 19 I think.

[2:33:19] Voice 3: Anyway, the thing that was

[2:33:24] Voice 3: new about this was that it was constantly being updated.

[2:33:26] Voice 3: And it reminded me of the marine reference guide in the south where the data is kind of coming together.

[2:33:32] Voice 3: So partly I was interested in if anybody's got a better link. I mean this is just one of many.

[2:33:39] Voice 3: But that reminds me, I'll have a look because they might be doing something like this with the dripping water.

[2:33:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, and I'm wondering about that for the foreshore project.

[2:33:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just thinking about something like that because that question was asked

[2:33:52] Voice 3: when I heard

[2:33:56] Voice 3: that question first of all I kept trying to remind them it's not sea level rise it's storm

[2:34:03] Voice 3: surges but number two that the stats we had from three years ago probably don't apply and that the

[2:34:13] Voice 3: science is changing in the bad direction quite dramatically as things are having a lot faster

[2:34:20] Voice 3: to let those first consider what the trajectory was.

[2:34:25] It's changing the

[2:34:27] Voice 3: implications of what

[2:34:29] Voice 3: it's going to take for us to protect land

[2:34:33] Voice 3: planning on those properties.

[2:34:35] Voice 3: And conversely, is there a responsibility

[2:34:39] Voice 3: of just what's happened in the Valley to land plan

[2:34:44] Voice 3: or to make those bad decisions, the awful decisions that people

[2:34:51] Voice 3: people have to have to deal with because, you know, we may be dealing with a flood ridden zone problem. I keep thinking of up in Sechelt, the subdivision development.

[2:35:12] Voice 8: Oh, that fell in the ocean, yeah.

[2:35:14] Voice 8: Of course, it's a little possible

[2:35:16] Voice 3: that we've all abandoned it, you know, and immediately hearing this on the news, the government should have told us, the government should have done this at the other end.

[2:35:25] Voice 3: I'm like, okay, where is our responsibility?

[2:35:27] Voice 3: to say given the data you should be picking up because the data is not yeah so that's the sort

[2:35:38] Voice 3: of stuff that i was thinking through our meetings that's helpful because i think there's like one

[2:35:46] Voice 3: meter that the geoengineers say you're going to have for sea level rise and then there's another

[2:35:51] Voice 3: yeah storm search but i don't have that info and i thought that something visual i guess that

[2:35:58] Voice 3: that you could share through email, that kind of thing.

[2:36:02] Voice 3: So if I find something better, let's send it around

[2:36:06] Voice 3: to each other and input staff so that you

[2:36:09] Voice 3: don't have to do that.

[2:36:10] Voice 3: But if you run across something, it would be great.

[2:36:12] Voice 8: And

[2:36:13] Voice 3: so I'll just put that as an action element for me

[2:36:17] Voice 3: and anybody else who finds something better.

[2:36:19] Voice 3: OK, good.

[2:36:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): While we're on this topic of mapping,

[2:36:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): just a flag for you guys.

[2:36:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I found this.

[2:36:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know, have you ever seen the Google Earth time lapse? It

[2:36:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): shows over the course of 37 years

[2:36:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): how anywhere on the world has changed in terms of basically you can look at deforestation

[2:36:44] in our area and it's actually quite,

[2:36:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's sort of mesmerizing to watch it. It runs through very

[2:36:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): quickly but you can stop anywhere. How some islands haven't changed a lot but you look

[2:36:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): at gabriola and man did it get clear-cut sometime in the like 20 years ago and then you can watch

[2:37:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): it get green again because it's starting to come back but it's quite it's quite an interesting

[2:37:10] Voice 4: it's fun isn't it well

[2:37:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's fun but it's also shocking about how much how much we changed the

[2:37:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): landscape i mean you can watch you know

[2:37:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): west vancouver work its way up the mountain yeah over

[2:37:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): the last 37 years anyway if you've never seen it i just it's quite mesmerizing and

[2:37:31] Voice 3: the significance

[2:37:31] Voice 3: that i always point it it's not logging it's doing it it's not commercial it's other than over here

[2:37:40] Voice 4: land

[2:37:41] Voice 3: development yeah that's the one area but it's land development it's private property yeah

[2:37:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can watch it go and for completo yeah it's all for reflect all all of a sudden it was an

[2:37:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): intact forest and now it's not

[2:37:54] Voice 4: yeah and then over in cotton bays yeah

[2:37:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and brigade bay yeah and

[2:38:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): all those areas that i did anyway it's quite interesting i can send you the link but it's

[2:38:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): quite if you have you if you probably already i can google it yeah

[2:38:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's called google earth time

[2:38:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): lapse yep

[2:38:11] Voice 3: no that's great thank you very much i don't think i used to use the island's trust

[2:38:19] Voice 3: just mapping, whatever it's called.

[2:38:23] Voice 3: Map, mapping, that's it, for that.

[2:38:26] Voice 3: Because we used to have a little slider.

[2:38:27] Voice 3: We could just slide it around.

[2:38:29] Voice 3: But now there are lots of tools.

[2:38:32] Voice 3: But anyway, let's keep an eye on this idea of maps,

[2:38:35] Voice 3: especially that could perhaps one day be aligned with

[2:38:39] Voice 3: or combined with or something with the Marine Reference

[2:38:42] Voice 3: Guide, which is all the water around the islands.

[2:38:45] Voice 3: Perhaps there's one from that end

[2:38:47] Voice 3: that'll show it coming up yeah

[2:38:48] Voice 4: anyway

[2:38:49] Voice 3: let's keep an eye on that i didn't want to spend too much

[2:38:51] Voice 3: time on it but since i run across it and i heard those comments i thought maybe there'd be something

[2:38:57] Voice 3: useful visual and easy okay uh meeting schedule we're on page 77 now um diane we're actually

[2:39:05] Voice 3: going to get down to some business here uh this is our annual meetings schedule and uh

[2:39:12] Voice 3: what do you think? Is this going to work

[2:39:13] Voice 3: for everybody? Can we adopt

[2:39:15] Voice 3: this? As far as I can tell.

[2:39:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll move that the Gavira

[2:39:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): will trust me to schedule regular business

[2:39:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): meetings on the following dates in 2022,

[2:39:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): February 3rd, March 31st,

[2:39:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): May 26th, July 14th,

[2:39:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): September 1st, and

[2:39:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): November 17th.

[2:39:34] Voice 3: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Second.

[2:39:36] Voice 3: Okay. Discussion. Before we go

[2:39:38] Voice 3: any further with this, there's an interesting

[2:39:40] Voice 3: paragraph down there about

[2:39:42] Voice 3: we could say which ones we want to be electronic because with those dates in front of you i know

[2:39:48] Voice 3: sometimes meetings are held on islands and sometimes they're held over here

[2:39:53] Voice 3: now we can add hybrid meetings or maybe if we amend our bylaws completely zoom meetings

[2:40:00] Voice 3: to the mix we don't have to but if we leave it like it is as the motion is moved and seconded

[2:40:07] Voice 3: then staff will book venues for the year and cancel them and go along and uh any comments

[2:40:17] Voice 3: usually do an in-person on a gammy

[2:40:27] Planner Eggen (probable): or one on the

[2:40:27] Voice 3: heats we consider what's happening on heats

[2:40:32] Voice 3: i'm just saying preferring this scenario right now yeah so i'm not sure if i'm ready to just go

[2:40:52] Voice 3: well we haven't adopted the procedure bylaws anyway right we

[2:40:57] Voice 3: can always adapt this later

[2:40:59] Voice 3: yeah but meanwhile that's fine I just wanted to bring that part up because I

[2:41:04] Voice 3: thought well in case there were some somebody but I will

[2:41:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): reiterate probably

[2:41:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): the July 14 September 1st yeah well

[2:41:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): what what September 1st is for Labor Day yeah

[2:41:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that no one probably proposed those be on keeps and or happy well and

[2:41:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the camp here one on one one on the other yeah whatever we

[2:41:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): usually do a try do an on island

[2:41:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): sometimes it's well attended and sometimes it's not yeah

[2:41:41] Voice 3: this stat would be the september the 5th

[2:41:43] Voice 3: right

[2:41:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): so september 1st and july 14th would probably be we want those on that and that's

[2:41:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): why there's two in the summer yeah as

[2:41:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): we is so that we can do that the rest of them i think here

[2:41:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's fine yeah yeah

[2:41:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've finally given up on gifts in seven weeks

[2:42:01] Voice 3: okay we

[2:42:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): tried for five four

[2:42:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): years to do what it gets and no one ever came

[2:42:10] Voice 3: yeah well good try and uh this seems to be working i

[2:42:14] Voice 3: don't i don't have any okay good so we've got a motion moved and seconded and uh i think this is

[2:42:21] Voice 3: enough input from what staff need i've seen some nodding there so let's uh have a vote all those

[2:42:26] Voice 3: in favor one two three hands go up that passes unanimously thank you and now we're on to oh this

[2:42:36] Voice 3: is another one of mine 79 page 79 this is uh uh i had uh sent an email to both trustees and i hadn't

[2:42:44] Voice 3: sent it to staff as well maybe it went does gambier island local trust committee at

[2:42:51] Voice 3: at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[2:42:53] Voice 3: Does that go to you at all?

[2:42:55] Voice 3: Should it be Gambier Island local customer?

[2:42:57] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:42:58] Voice 3: Okay, so staff do see it.

[2:42:59] Voice 3: Okay, because I was worried that I'd started a forum discussion

[2:43:03] Voice 3: with no staff present.

[2:43:05] Voice 3: But mostly, I was interested in this question of electric bicycles.

[2:43:10] Voice 3: And with all the road washouts and things recently,

[2:43:14] Voice 3: I just wanted to put this on an agenda so that if you wanted to,

[2:43:19] Voice 3: you could go to that link and look up page 28.

[2:43:22] Voice 3: and see all the bicycle routes um including the one across bowen and uh thinking about how

[2:43:30] Voice 3: difficult it may be for people to start getting around some of the places where all the roads

[2:43:34] Voice 3: are washed out things like that um electric bicycles and electric cargo bicycles and

[2:43:41] Voice 3: electric bikes with panniers hills are not a problem and uh so anyway i just wanted to flag

[2:43:47] Voice 3: get as something that's coming and that we should maybe consider in planning this is just coming

[2:43:53] Voice 3: from me as a person who's never been to gambier before about three years ago and then just between

[2:43:59] Voice 3: the two times that i went to gambier the parking had increased by like three times not just mostly

[2:44:08] Voice 3: mostly what kind of vehicles electric yeah and so I just wanted to say these

[2:44:18] Voice 3: electric vehicles are coming and when I asked a specific question at the

[2:44:21] Voice 3: islands 2050 presentation the webinar thing one of the planners said oh yeah

[2:44:27] Voice 3: they're going to be a big deal but he said but anyway it was there there it's

[2:44:38] Voice 3: going to be a big part of their climate strategy in Metro Vancouver so we'll be

[2:44:41] Voice 3: more people riding like it's everywhere in that county and they're going to be designing for it

[2:44:48] Voice 3: this last december 6th and i was sitting next to a translate planner who was actually working on

[2:44:59] Voice 3: and she was talking about she she mentioned i didn't know that there are actually electric bikes

[2:45:06] Voice 3: here in north and she was just kind of describing

[2:45:10] Voice 4: her experience of riding around on it and she said

[2:45:13] Voice 4: exactly that but it's much easier to use one of those going up those ones wet

[2:45:16] Voice 3: and um and there's

[2:45:19] Voice 3: it's not like the shaw bikes you can pick them up anywhere and probably from anywhere

[2:45:25] Voice 3: and you track them with it we

[2:45:27] Voice 8: went fast the

[2:45:28] Voice 3: lime cycle that lime one oh okay yeah but they're

[2:45:34] Voice 3: coming we now have a um like bike rental right there when you come off the chair and go and uh

[2:45:41] Voice 3: it's a business running out of what used to be the coffee place but now they've called it

[2:45:45] Voice 3: that people aren't gathering close to anywhere out there.

[2:45:48] Voice 3: Anyway, this is just for our radar purposes,

[2:45:52] Voice 3: same as the climate one.

[2:45:55] Voice 3: And in terms of, let me know when you see them on your island.

[2:46:01] Voice 3: By the way, I also communicated with Scott Colbert,

[2:46:04] Voice 3: because I had a chat with him at one point.

[2:46:06] Voice 3: And they've had electric bicycle parades

[2:46:09] Voice 3: and all kinds of things, but it's not safe enough,

[2:46:14] Voice 3: I gather, on Abriola, for them to expand that network to, or to do any more, just as a community group, to do more, encouraging, they're not encouraging people to do much more of it, because there's traffic speeds and things, that, anyway, that's just.

[2:46:35] Voice 3: A lot of these islands, especially there, one of the challenges, and I think it's an idea for planning, but it comes from a different direction in that there are a few of us that have electric cars.

[2:46:54] The challenge is, given that 85% of the people can't

[2:47:01] Voice 3: leave it down at the parking lot because there's no plug-in, and they don't hold their charge.

[2:47:06] Voice 3: and I'm not sure how the bikes work but once your charge is down on the bike you can barely move

[2:47:12] those things so you have to move them to get charge

[2:47:15] Voice 3: going if I understand correctly so it

[2:47:17] Voice 3: would be more of looking at what can we do to support electric transport bikes or more likely

[2:47:27] Voice 3: for particular island parts because we're always hauling big chunks of stuff yeah and the bikes

[2:47:35] Voice 3: preclude that we have had a couple of electric bikes on the island but not for

[2:47:41] Voice 3: real use it's just oh let's let's try this out and yes we can go up the hills

[2:47:47] Voice 3: no problem price free but there's certainly not a practical thing in both

[2:47:51] Voice 3: when they're sold quickly just because it wasn't do people bring bicycles on

[2:47:57] Voice 3: this but there's a few die-hard insane people that have regular regular bikes

[2:48:04] Voice 3: don't quote me

[2:48:06] Voice 8: video i

[2:48:08] Voice 3: know that have bikes and they are complete it's amazing yeah that's

[2:48:17] Voice 3: certainly not

[2:48:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): people don't sit or people don't come at least to keeps with their bike and come

[2:48:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): over and ride around in fact if anything the people seem to

[2:48:35] Voice 4: motorize yeah yeah that's not

[2:48:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): not yet motorized yeah

[2:48:40] Voice 4: not

[2:48:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): not electric bikes not bicycles well

[2:48:45] Voice 3: i'm just putting it out there

[2:48:46] Voice 3: as something to keep aware

[2:48:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): of i will say we had a new build on the island and he's just finishing it

[2:48:55] and

[2:48:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's an electric car charging it's a new house very surprised to see it there i mean

[2:49:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): you would think it would have happened by now given that we're on the grid

[2:49:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it's such a pain to bring gasoline over

[2:49:16] Voice 4: yeah for

[2:49:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): vehicles that people would have done it before

[2:49:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): They don't back most of the golf carts on our island, but there's very few electric ones.

[2:49:27] Voice 3: And what it is, is you can't use it. You have to have it plugged in at all times.

[2:49:34] Voice 3: I've seen photos from other countries where there are lots of people using electric scooters, for example,

[2:49:41] Voice 3: and they have like a, it's almost like where you slide your old battery,

[2:49:50] Voice 3: you're used up battery in and take out a charged battery and so you know who knows what will happen

[2:49:57] Voice 3: in the future but

[2:49:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): the density i just think it's going to be a long time coming to our

[2:50:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): because the density is not there and and the distances at least on keats are not that great

[2:50:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): they're like four kilometers that's the distance across the whole island so it's it's and you're

[2:50:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): right we're always hauling stuff yeah always yeah

[2:50:16] Voice 3: i'll take it away from bikes i'm

[2:50:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to say

[2:50:19] Voice 3: the it also might be all the older leafs that the early electric vehicles that are the distance is

[2:50:28] Voice 3: decreasing I just put a copy of the issue of the hair in because it can just sort of come up with

[2:50:45] Voice 3: them I don't think it even been distributed yet but that's in there has a photo of trustee

[2:50:50] Voice 3: Stanford they don't identify me that's quite funny I look like I put in the

[2:51:04] Voice 3: current campaigns page because it had a page there about the damn beer fun and

[2:51:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[2:51:20] Voice 3: just have a little problem here. I'm seeing that the camera has gone off again.

[2:51:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's gone on there.

[2:51:29] Voice 3: Yeah, I know, but it's on the screen. It's not.

[2:51:34] Voice 3: So I'm just going to. I think we're almost finished.

[2:51:39] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:51:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, we're almost done. We're done

[2:51:42] Voice 3: in five minutes. Yeah. Okay, so I'm just going to continue.

[2:51:46] Voice 3: you um diane can you still hear us i can hear you yep very good okay then we're going to continue

[2:51:57] Voice 3: because we've just got about another five minutes and uh i wanted to make sure though that you could

[2:52:01] Voice 3: still be part of the meeting because we need you okay all right um i'm not i'm gonna skip

[2:52:07] Voice 3: over these next uh couple of bits uh and uh go to the applications report page 84

[2:52:17] Voice 3: any questions for the planner for the regional plan manager i did have um

[2:52:24] Voice 3: one it's in terms of timing i noticed we have on page 84 21 20 21 3 and then the same piece

[2:52:36] Voice 3: of further down has a different well no it's all the same applicant it's just they're adjusting

[2:52:47] Voice 3: allowable setbacks. How does that work in terms of timing? Applications for the

[2:52:56] Voice 3: same property? 507. She'll want to be sure. I think one may be a result and then the

[2:53:19] Voice 3: other one is. They put their own request in for a default. I just wondered how that works

[2:53:26] Voice 3: together. Do we look at them separately or do they come to us together? I mean we would want them to come in at the same time. I don't know for sure the details of this one but my

[2:53:40] Voice 3: guess would be that we got a dp from them and then we having reviewed it we said oh you know

[2:53:47] Voice 3: what you need a dvp and um and so then they would have to submit that and then they would submit

[2:53:53] Voice 3: that later okay yeah okay okay that

[2:53:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): didn't yeah it's not unusual to get a dvp like well just

[2:54:02] Voice 3: seeing them as two very separate yeah

[2:54:04] Voice 3: yeah right i think the time but

[2:54:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're probably right it's

[2:54:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): probably exactly what happened they put a dp in and came along and said you know

[2:54:11] Voice 4: you're going to

[2:54:11] Voice 4: need you're going to

[2:54:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): need a variance here

[2:54:14] Voice 3: okay any more questions for the plan for the regional plan

[2:54:17] Voice 3: manager all right then let's move on that's the applications report expense report page 88 very

[2:54:28] Voice 3: no discussion of questions we're going to move on those other things are there for uh the adopted

[2:54:37] Voice 3: policies are just there for reference review um first nations activities i sent the letter

[2:54:45] Voice 3: congratulating squamish nation and the driving uh ongoing collaboration and uh kate louise had some

[2:54:53] Voice 3: follow-up to that but maybe we can uh work that in next opportunity yeah i think

[2:54:59] Voice 3: if there's anything else we can do as we as the community three years into what's going to happen

[2:55:11] Voice 3: okay just had a meeting a couple of days ago okay when you're ready yeah i suggest it for

[2:55:23] Voice 3: the agenda if it's things that the trust uh yeah for something you could do yeah okay anything uh

[2:55:29] Voice 3: else for that one okay moving on for

[2:55:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): first nations activities yeah i had like something i'd like to

[2:55:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): report is that um there's an interesting sort of um i'm not sure where it stands but there's a

[2:55:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): who lives on keeps trying to organize sort of a music first nations reconciliation event

[2:55:53] event for the

[2:55:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): end of next September at Barnabas and it might get some legs, it would be great

[2:56:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do it.

[2:56:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): There would be some involvement with Squamish Nation, Ruth Simons to connect with the Biosphere

[2:56:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the idea is it might be a celebration of the first anniversary of Biosphere as well

[2:56:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): as the rest of it.

[2:56:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's a work in progress, and hopefully it will be some sort of consciousness of First Nations history and reconciliation on Keats.

[2:56:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's under discussion, so that's good news.

[2:56:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I just got a notice that, and I don't know what the involvement is, but speaking of First Nations activities,

[2:56:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee so there's going to be a webinar by the um conservancy uh for sandy beach nature reserve

[2:56:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): on december the 8th of the evening and there will be a first nations indigenous component to that

[2:57:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh given that um that was always the intention and then i'll follow up i just got we just got

[2:57:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): noticed that while we were in this meeting that that date had been noella murphy from

[2:57:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): the conservancy okay

[2:57:28] Voice 3: great yes is

[2:57:32] Voice 4: it new enough okay

[2:57:33] Voice 3: um good and local trust committee web page

[2:57:37] Voice 3: is just here i see all your emails stacking up in there that's great if we want to make

[2:57:44] Voice 3: any changes to that that's another opportunity to put links and things that you might be helpful for

[2:57:51] Voice 3: community to refer to um in there

[2:57:54] Voice 3: okay work program top priorities 9 page 92

[2:57:57] Voice 3: That's pretty straightforward. Any questions for them? And project report 93. I just glanced

[2:58:09] Voice 3: at this. I was surprised. I have a quick question. Do we ever get applications for ocean geoxchange

[2:58:17] Voice 3: systems anymore? There was sort of a spate of them. Sorry. I'm on page 93. I'm looking

[2:58:26] Voice 3: at these ocean loop geoxchange systems. We used to get a lot of applications from applications

[2:58:32] Voice 3: for these I'm going to and I've never seen one. I'm just wondering, have they all died?

[2:58:37] Voice 3: Are they lying around on the seafloor?

[2:58:41] Voice 3: These were the heat exchangers that looped through the

[2:58:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): ceiling back up into the house when

[2:58:49] Voice 3: I went in the lottery.

[2:58:53] Voice 3: If anybody finds out that they know of anybody that's still got one working or are people abandoning them, I'm curious, that's all.

[2:59:00] Voice 3: Okay, moving on,

[2:59:01] Voice 3: news releases, these are just the info items about the two things that we've mentioned already in the next regular meeting to be determined February 3rd, we've determined it, and probably here at this venue, depending on the bookings.

[2:59:18] Voice 3: Okay, good. Anything, any last minutes, anything?

[2:59:21] Voice 3: No,

[2:59:22] Voice 8: thank you very much.

[2:59:23] Voice 3: Can I have a motion to adjourn?

[2:59:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks everyone, and if I don't see you beforehand, have a hot season.

[2:59:32] Voice 3: Yes, that's right.

[2:59:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): We won't be having another one of these meetings before then.

[2:59:38] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:59:38] Voice 3: And everybody stay safe.

[2:59:40] Voice 3: Yeah, stay safe.

[2:59:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Probably another storm or two to come.

[2:59:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Bye, Diane.

[2:59:44] Voice 3: Diane's working.

[2:59:45] Voice 3: My camera's working.

[2:59:47] Voice 3: Okay, we'll see you on the 18th, Diane.

[2:59:52] Voice 3: Yes, see you then.

[2:59:55] Voice 3: Okay, bye-bye.

[2:59:56] Voice 3: Bye.

[2:59:57] Voice 3: And I'm going to shut this down.

[3:00:00] Voice 3: And by the way, I'm going to be following up with Mark to make sure I can run the electronics better, or we can do some troubleshooting for what was going on today.

[3:00:08] Voice 3: Thanks, everybody. Bye for now. I'm ending the meeting.

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Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
November 18, 2021 
John Braithwaite Community Centre 
Meeting Room 3 
145 West 1st Street 
North Vancouver, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Dan Rogers, Local Trustee 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marnie Eggen, Island Planner 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
 
Also Present: 
 
Member of the Public: 1 (in person) 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:45 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Sk
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Tsleil-Waututh First Nations and their stewardship of these lands through the millennia.  
Chair Fast introduced Trustees, Staff and the Recorder, and advised that the meeting was being 
held online, by Zoom, and in person. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. RISE AND REPORT – IN CAMERA MEETING, OCTOBER 14, 2021 
Chair Fast reported that, at the in-camera meeting of October 14, the Local Trust Committee 
appointed people to the Working Group for the Gambier Island Official Community Plan and 
Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported on her involvement in recent activities, including: 
 Attended Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD)-Islands Trust joint meeting 
 Presented to the Howe Sound Community Forum along with Trustees Rogers and 
Fast; her presentation focus was the Islands Trust Conservancy. 

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 Attended the Regional Planning and Financial Planning Committees; current focus is 
all about budgets and the challenge of appropriate budget recommendations to the 
upcoming Trust Council. 
 Regional Planning Committee discussed the importance of the Fresh Water 
Sustainability Strategy that was presented to the committee. 
 Local Gambier community has been helping each other through the numerous rain 
events and have so far seen relatively little damage from the storms although 
recently there was an electrical fire from fallen trees. 
 The New Brighton Dock Committee is looking at what more advocacy it can do to 
encourage action for the long-term plans of the facility. 
 Attended a Zoom session on modernizing policy. 
Trustee Rogers reported on the following: 
 Joint SCRD-Islands Trust meeting where issues raised by islanders were discussed. 
 Presented on the Trust Policy Statement at Howe Sound Community Forum 
 Met with Keats Conservation Group and a representative from SCRD Parks regarding 
damage and water run-off on the paths down and the foreshore at West Beach, a 
major beach at Eastbourne. 
 Executive Committee work on financial plan and proposed budget, to be presented 
to Trust Council in two weeks time. Will be the first in person Trust Council meeting 
since March 2020 and will be a hybrid meeting. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast reported on the following: 
 Attended a session on how local government can do more outreach to the different 
kinds of people on the islands; will bring some of those ideas to Trust Council. 
 Item 15.2 of this agenda: news release on Trust Policy Statement and planned 
community engagement 
 Provincial state of emergency declared due to flooding and landslides. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Trustee Rogers, on behalf of Electoral Area F Director Mark Hiltz, reported that the SCRD 
currently was considering recommendations for the renewal of three water leases, for 
Keats Landing, Eastbourne, and Vaucroft docks. Recommendation from staff was to 
renew the leases for five years, which would maintain the status quo. 
Trustee Rogers noted the ferry service to Eastbourne is challenged in the winter; 
concerns had been raised about the Stormaway not coming to Eastbourne. Two 
members of the Ferry Advisory Committee from Eastbourne were stepping down. 
Trustee Rogers extended thanks for their contributions and hoped other people from 
Eastbourne would step up for that role. 
5. DELEGATIONS – none  
6. TOWN HALL 
Curt Shepard of Keats Island commented on dock size and upland access from docks for 
multigenerational multi-family water access only lots. 

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7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated September 29, 2021 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee Special Meeting minutes of September 
29, 2021 were adopted. 
7.2 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated October 14, 2021 
The following amendment to the minutes was presented for consideration: 
Page 7, 9.2, paragraph 3, sentence 1: replace “at the LTC meeting earlier on this day,” 
with “the Trustee”. 
By general consent the minutes of October 14, 2021 were adopted as amended. 
7.3 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated October 14, 2021 
GM-2021-088 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee adopt the Special Meeting minutes of 
October 14, 2021. 
CARRIED 
7.4 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting – none  
7.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated November 10, 2021 
Received. 
8.2 Letter to Member of Parliament, Patrick Weiler 
Received for information (available on-line). 
8.3 Letter to Squamish Nation Council/Nexwsxwníw
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Received for information (available on-line). 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 Islands Trust Area Bylaw No. TC183  - Referral Request for Response 
The purpose of Islands Trust Area Bylaw No. TC183 is to update the Trust Policy 
Statement, which has not been substantively updated in over 25 years, “through the 
lenses of reconciliation, climate change, and affordable housing.” 
Points from discussion on the referral included: 
 Wait for more feedback on the Trust Policy Statement. See what our communities 
have to say about it. 
 Would like to see something solid and straightforward and how it impacts this area. 
 Need consultants for next phase of engagement. 

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 Many controversial issues do not apply to this area. 
 People here would probably be interested in issues like desalination, forestry, 
foreshore protection. 
 Refer to Islands 2050 information and fact sheet. 
 We are dealing with Gambier OCP; it can be hard for the public to differentiate 
between processes. Try to be clear they are different but related. 
GM-2021-089 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee defer a response to the referral until 
the Trust-wide engagement process has been substantially completed. 
CARRIED 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer gave an overview of the staff report on the Keats 
Island Shoreline Protection Project that provided a follow up on the referrals of 
proposed Bylaw Nos. 153 and 154 received to date and two Community Information 
Meetings held in September and October 2021. The staff report outlined proposed 
changes to the draft bylaws. 
Discussion ensued on: the size of docks; the impact of docks on marine ecosystems and 
visual quality; historically, denser settlement areas are water access only with 
restrictions on roads for waterfront properties, where concerns were raised about size 
of dock and spacing between docks; rationale for docks that serve more than one family 
or several dwellings; the public consultation process. 
GM-2021-090 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
changes to Proposed Bylaw No. 153:  
a. In Section 1.4 of Schedule 1, under the heading “Justification” amend the number 
“90” with “over 120”; 
b. Replace Plan No. 1 with the amended Plan No. 1 in Attachment 1.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-091 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Schedule 1, Sections 1.7, 1.10, 1.14 and 1.21, replace the number “35 square 
metres (377 square feet)” with “36 square metres (387.5 square feet)”.  
CARRIED 

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GM-2021-092 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Appendix 1, 9.3 DP-3 SHORELINE, .2 Exemptions, item “j” replace with, “The 
pruning, trimming or limbing of trees provided it cannot reasonably be expected to 
result in the death or removal of the tree.”  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-093 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Appendix 1, 9.3 DP-3 SHORELINE, .2 Exemptions, item “r” replace with, “Works 
conducted and/or authorized by the Province and its Ministries or Agencies, and by 
Fisheries and Oceans Canada (or subsequent federal department), with respect to 
trail construction, stream enhancement and fish and wildlife habitat restoration. For 
clarity, private moorage, shoreline protection measures or placement of fill below 
the natural boundary of the sea authorized by the Province and its Ministries or 
Agencies, requires a development permit.”  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-094 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Appendix 1, 9.3 DP-3 SHORELINE, .3 Guidelines, item “m” replace with, “Decking 
materials must allow for a minimum of 43% open space to allow for light 
penetration to the water surface. Light transmitting materials may be made of 
various materials shaped in the form of grids, grates, and lattices to allow for light 
passage to the water surface.”  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-095 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Appendix 1, 9.3 DP-3 SHORELINE, .3 Guidelines, add a new guideline “n” that 
provides, “To allow for the maximum amount of light penetration to the water 
surface”, and renumber the subsequent guidelines.  
CARRIED 

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GM-2021-096 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare the following 
change to Proposed Bylaw No. 154:  
In Appendix 1, 9.3 DP-3 SHORELINE, .3 Guidelines, item “q” replace with, “The 
access ramps, piers, walkways and stairs for docks should not exceed a maximum 
width of 1.5 metres.”  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-097 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to refer Proposed Bylaw 
No. 154 to the following First Nations:  
a.  Sk
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wxw
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lwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-waututh) Nation, 
xwməθkwəy
̓
əm (Musqueam) Indian Band, shíshálh (Sechelt) First Nation, Xeláltxw 
(Halalt) First Nation, Spune’luxutth (Penelakut) Tribe, Ts'uubaa-asatx (Lake 
Cowichan First) Nation, Quw’utsun (Cowichan) Tribes, Stz'uminus First Nation, 
Lyackson First Nation, Snaw'Naw'As Nation and Te'mexw Treaty Association.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-098 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to work with trustees to 
develop a public mail-out that addresses frequently asked questions, public concerns, 
and scientific justification for aspects of the bylaw changes, to be sent out mid-January 
of 2022. 
CARRIED 
The Local Trust Committee recessed for a break at 12:25 pm and reconvened at 12:55 pm. 
10.2 Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project  
Island Planner Eggen provided an update on the status and next steps of the Gambier 
Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project. 
There had been no submissions to a Request for Proposals for a consultant to focus on 
engagement and a communications plan; an alternate plan with options and next steps 
would need to be developed. A consultant was to work with the Working Group. At this 
time, the Working Group could be given an introduction to the project and background 
on work done so far, and could review discussion papers.  
GM-2021-099 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to consider convening 
with Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review 

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Project Working Group members for an orientation workshop prior to February 3, 2022, 
the next Gambier Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Letter dated November 5, 2021 from the Canadian Commission for United Nations 
Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) regarding New Biosphere 
Region in British Columbia 
The letter of November 5, 2021 from the Canadian Commission for UNESCO regarding 
the new Biosphere Region in BC was received for information. 
Trustees discussed the correspondence. Trustee Stamford will look into the Islands Trust 
place name for the area and bring back to the next LTC meeting. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation 
12.1.1 Threats from Greenland Ice Loss 
https://coastal.climatecentral.org 
Chair Fast noted that some islanders were not aware of rising sea levels; this link 
was provided for further discussion, which included the following points: 
 Wonder about something like that for the foreshore project 
 It is storm surges that will impact.  
 The science is changing; things are happening faster than anticipated. This 
has large implications on what we need to protect. Data is changing. 
 Timelapse in Google Earth shows how things have changed in any area over 
the past 37 years. Deforestation in this area is notable. Some islands have 
not changed a lot. 
Chair Fast remarked she would look into Islands Trust mapping or other visual 
depiction of sea level rise information. 
12.2 2022 Annual Meeting Schedule - for discussion and decision 
Trustees discussed the proposed 2022 meeting schedule. 
GM-2021-100 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meetings 
on the following dates in 2022:  February 3, March 31, May 26, July 14, September 1, 
and November 17.  
CARRIED 

ADOPTED 
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12.3 Draft Transport 2050 Plan - Electric Bikes - for discussion 
https://www.translink.ca/-/media/translink/documents/plans-and-projects/regional-
transportation-strategy/transport-2050-phase-3/transport_2050_draft_strategy.pdf 
Chair Fast flagged this item as something that is coming; electric transport should be 
included in planning and as part of a climate strategy. 
Discussion ensued on electric transport in different forms on the islands. Issues 
included: population density; distances; hauling goods. 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy  
13.1.1 The Heron - Autumn 2021 
13.1.2 Conservancy - Current Campaigns 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/conservancy/current-campaigns/ 
Received for information. 
13.2 Applications Report dated November 10, 2021 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated September, 2021 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 First Nations Activities 
A letter of congratulations to Squamish Nation was sent from the Local Trust Committee 
by Chair Fast. 
Trustee Stamford commented her interest in interacting with the Squamish Nation 
about the future of the New Brighton dock. Chair Fast remarked that the Trustee could 
bring this to a future agenda. 
Trustee Rogers reported that someone on Keats was trying to organize a musical First 
Nations reconciliation event for the end of September at Barnabas, and that he had 
linked them up with Ruth Simons of the Biosphere Region. It could be an opportunity to 
celebrate the first anniversary of the Biosphere and increase awareness of First Nations 
history and reconciliation on Keats. 
There will be a webinar with an indigenous component by the Islands Trust Conservancy 
for Sandy Beach Nature Reserve on December 8 in the evening.  
13.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
Email communications had been uploaded to the Gambier Local Trust Committee 
webpage. 

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14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated November 10, 2021 
Received. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated November 10, 2021 
Received. 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 News Release October 28, 2021 - November-December Trust Council Meeting Program 
Announced – Public Invited to first in-person meeting since March 2020 
Received. 
15.2 News Release November 1, 2021 – Extensive Policy Statement Engagement Planned 
Received. 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting – February 3, 2022 – Location to be confirmed 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:45 pm. 
 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder