Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, February 15, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 20: read the memo and came over to beautiful salt spring this morning okay

[0:00:18] Trustee Luckham: so we're all here um i

[0:00:21] Trustee Luckham: can't see staff in the background but i'm guessing they're out there some will join us as uh things

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham: move along should i be seeing anybody else on the video there wrong at

[0:00:33] Voice 29: this time it's just the

[0:00:34] Voice 29: the trustees and myself with video on. We have Stefan, Louisa, and Sarah with their screens off,

[0:00:44] Voice 29: so you might not be able to see them on the big screen. What

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham: I'll do is I'll bring this back up

[0:00:50] Trustee Luckham: here, and then I'll be able to see that as well. I can slide that over. Okay, I got it figured out.

[0:00:57] Voice 29: And we are live streaming and recording, and so I will let you take it away. Thank you.

[0:01:07] Trustee Luckham: So good morning, everybody. My name is Peter Luckham. I'm the chair of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee, chair of council.

[0:01:16] Trustee Luckham: Pleasure to be here with you today to support the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee in its regular meeting here on February the 15th.

[0:01:25] Trustee Luckham: I am here today on Salt Spring Island in the boardroom of the office here,

[0:01:32] Trustee Luckham: because I didn't read the memo correctly that we're actually we're not meeting in person

[0:01:36] Trustee Luckham: but nonetheless a pleasure to be here and I'm joined by trustees Laura Patrick good morning

[0:01:43] Trustee Luckham: Laura and Peter Grove good morning Peter both elected here on just on Salt Spring Island so

[0:01:50] Trustee Luckham: I'm also joined by a number of staff members I want to thank Rob Pringle for his care and

[0:01:55] Trustee Luckham: attention with me this morning and getting me set up here and appreciate that and we also got

[0:02:01] Trustee Luckham: We've got Island Planner Louisa Garbo in the background,

[0:02:06] Trustee Luckham: Regional Planner Manager Stefan Cermak,

[0:02:09] Trustee Luckham: Planner Jason Yeomans,

[0:02:12] Trustee Luckham: and of course, Sarah Sugar, our minute taker.

[0:02:17] Trustee Luckham: We would be lost without you, thank you.

[0:02:22] Trustee Luckham: All right, so I want to acknowledge

[0:02:25] Trustee Luckham: that we find ourselves in Coast Salish territory.

[0:02:29] Trustee Luckham: territory. It's an incredible place to be and live with the rich history and culture that has

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham: been here since time immemorial. And I am honored and so happy to be able to live here and have the

[0:02:46] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to learn so much about this place. Without any further ado, we've got quite a full

[0:02:56] Trustee Luckham: agenda here today. I have an agenda before me and may seek some staff advice here. There was a very

[0:03:04] Trustee Luckham: late item that came in yesterday afternoon with regards to the Vortex proposal. I don't know

[0:03:11] Trustee Luckham: whether or not any of you have seen it or reviewed it, had the opportunity to review it,

[0:03:15] Trustee Luckham: and so whether or not you want to add that to that section of the agenda as an item that we've

[0:03:22] Trustee Luckham: received um certainly members of the public may not have seen it either and that is also a bit

[0:03:28] Trustee Luckham: problematic um but that said i'll just ask if there's anything else to add to the regular

[0:03:34] Trustee Luckham: meeting agenda here today laura patrick over to you um

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick: i know we have a very busy schedule but

[0:03:41] Trustee Patrick: we should probably talk about the the ganges village planning and that probably should happen

[0:03:47] Trustee Patrick: after the in camera so we should probably end it add it to the end and then if we run out of time

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick: we should probably consider a special meeting but we can talk about that later um

[0:03:56] Trustee Grove: sure if i may

[0:03:58] Trustee Luckham: okay let

[0:03:59] Trustee Luckham: me just clarify having this uh meeting about the ganges village plan do we not have that

[0:04:06] Trustee Luckham: on our agenda already no just just

[0:04:08] Trustee Patrick: that but that's just a report from the um a verbal report from the

[0:04:14] Trustee Patrick: task force right okay i

[0:04:16] Trustee Patrick: don't know if you want to talk more at that time i think i think the timing

[0:04:20] Trustee Patrick: of this should probably occur after our closed meeting.

[0:04:24] Trustee Luckham: Right, I agree.

[0:04:26] Trustee Luckham: And so then let's,

[0:04:29] Trustee Luckham: so do you want to do that in the public session

[0:04:32] Trustee Luckham: after the break somewhere, maybe between?

[0:04:35] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:04:35] Trustee Luckham: would just do it,

[0:04:36] Trustee Luckham: I would put it

[0:04:37] Trustee Patrick: at the end of the meeting

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick: and then like I said, if we run out of time,

[0:04:40] Trustee Patrick: we could consider how to address it.

[0:04:43] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[0:04:44] Trustee Luckham: so I'm going to put it then at 17.1.2 as 1.2.

[0:04:51] Trustee Luckham: as a Ganges Village plan.

[0:04:57] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:04:58] Trustee Luckham: Now, Peter Grove, you have something else?

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham: No, that's fine.

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham: Okay, anything else, Laura?

[0:05:05] Trustee Luckham: No, okay, very good then.

[0:05:06] Trustee Luckham: So thank you everybody and thank you to staff

[0:05:09] Trustee Luckham: for preparing the agenda for us.

[0:05:12] Trustee Luckham: First item on our agenda is the January 18th minutes

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham: of the local trust committee meeting.

[0:05:18] Trustee Luckham: And I'll ask if there's any amendments to those minutes.

[0:05:22] Trustee Luckham: No.

[0:05:23] Trustee Luckham: Laura Patrick.

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, I got too many.

[0:05:27] Trustee Patrick: On page 10, there was something.

[0:05:28] Trustee Patrick: I just need to see what it was.

[0:05:30] Trustee Patrick: That's fine.

[0:05:31] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I think it was just, there was an edit on the page.

[0:05:34] Trustee Patrick: So I think that I just assumed that was a blackout

[0:05:36] Trustee Patrick: that that had to be cleaned up.

[0:05:39] Trustee Patrick: There was just a strikethrough.

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick: I think it just,

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick: I think it was a remnant.

[0:05:45] Voice 20: Oh.

[0:05:46] Voice 20: The very

[0:05:46] Trustee Patrick: top, very first paragraph, very second line.

[0:05:53] Trustee Patrick: There's a strikethrough where it says

[0:05:54] Trustee Patrick: the public engagement process is underway.

[0:05:56] Trustee Patrick: It was struck out.

[0:05:57] Trustee Luckham: Oh, isn't that funny?

[0:05:58] Trustee Luckham: I don't have that on mine.

[0:06:00] Trustee Luckham: Huh.

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham: So it's Panagarbo

[0:06:03] Trustee Luckham: reported, 13 territorial interests, and then it goes project website.

[0:06:08] Trustee Luckham: Oh, okay.

[0:06:09] Trustee Patrick: Interesting.

[0:06:09] Trustee Patrick: Mine has a strike.

[0:06:11] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[0:06:11] Trustee Luckham: I always make a point of downloading the most current version the night before I come.

[0:06:17] Voice 19: So

[0:06:18] Trustee Luckham: maybe that's what's happened there.

[0:06:20] Trustee Luckham: There you go.

[0:06:23] Trustee Luckham: Very good.

[0:06:24] Trustee Luckham: then so then I'll take it by general consent that the meeting minutes of January the 18th

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham: be adopted as presented so thank you very much so we have our RWM list there was one item there

[0:06:38] Trustee Luckham: which is just our opportunity to two items there our opportunity to make administrative decisions

[0:06:43] Trustee Luckham: without physically meeting and mostly to reschedule the meetings for electronic meetings

[0:06:51] Trustee Luckham: and then also to adopt a meeting procedures

[0:06:58] Trustee Luckham: bylaw number 529.

[0:07:00] Trustee Luckham: So that is a complete draft minutes,

[0:07:04] Trustee Luckham: advisory planning commission, nothing,

[0:07:05] Trustee Luckham: local trust committee, public hearing, nothing today.

[0:07:08] Trustee Luckham: So this brings us to the follow-up action list

[0:07:11] Trustee Luckham: or February, 2022,

[0:07:14] Trustee Luckham: and I'll turn to the regional planning manager

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham: and ask if there's anything to update there,

[0:07:20] Trustee Luckham: or you just would like to take questions, sir?

[0:07:25] Voice 11: I have nothing to add.

[0:07:27] Voice 11: I'm happy to take any questions.

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[0:07:29] Trustee Luckham: Trustees, do you have any questions

[0:07:30] Trustee Luckham: on the follow-up action list?

[0:07:32] Trustee Luckham: No.

[0:07:32] Trustee Luckham: Well, very good work there, Stephan.

[0:07:35] Trustee Luckham: Excellent.

[0:07:36] Trustee Luckham: So let's move to community information meeting.

[0:07:38] Trustee Luckham: Nothing.

[0:07:39] Trustee Luckham: First item in reports section

[0:07:41] Trustee Luckham: is the policy and standing resolutions list.

[0:07:44] Trustee Luckham: That's there for information

[0:07:45] Trustee Luckham: unless any desire for change.

[0:07:47] Trustee Luckham: Laura Patrick.

[0:07:50] Trustee Patrick: I know there was a couple of resolutions

[0:07:53] Trustee Patrick: that we created when the emergency orders

[0:07:57] Trustee Patrick: and so forth were in place.

[0:07:59] Trustee Patrick: And I thought maybe we could make a resolution

[0:08:02] Trustee Patrick: to ask staff to kind of take a look at those

[0:08:05] Trustee Patrick: and either come back with suggestions

[0:08:07] Trustee Patrick: to either remove or modify.

[0:08:11] Trustee Luckham: Fair enough.

[0:08:12] Trustee Luckham: And we do have some motions,

[0:08:14] Trustee Luckham: I believe that's in the housing action program

[0:08:17] Trustee Luckham: or somewhere in housing,

[0:08:19] Trustee Luckham: there's a suggestion to amend one of those motions.

[0:08:23] Trustee Luckham: Correct,

[0:08:24] Trustee Patrick: but this is in relation that that was not no there's some motions that we added during the, during the pandemic the public when the public emergency was in order, regarding patios and boats parking at the docks and things of that nature.

[0:08:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:08:37] Trustee Luckham: So do

[0:08:37] Trustee Luckham: you want to make a motion then to

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: attempt one.

[0:08:41] Trustee Patrick: thank you i'll move that the local salt spring island local trust committee request staff to

[0:08:47] Trustee Patrick: review the policy and standing resolutions list um for uh resolutions related to the

[0:08:58] Trustee Patrick: provincial emergency order and report back on options okay

[0:09:06] Trustee Luckham: move that seconded by uh peter

[0:09:08] Trustee Luckham: grove thank you peter any um other um any other discussion and that sounds all right for you

[0:09:15] Trustee Luckham: stefan manageable sure

[0:09:18] Voice 11: mr chair i'm happy to follow any direction just wouldn't mind you know

[0:09:23] Voice 11: a little more guidance of what you're looking for those uh resolutions expired at the end of the um

[0:09:28] Voice 11: the when the emergency got lifted and so happy to bring them back for consideration but i assume

[0:09:34] Voice 11: it's for the same intent of keeping those i i could use a little more guidance what you're

[0:09:41] Voice 11: looking for for options and sure does that make sense or

[0:09:44] Trustee Luckham: i guess at a minimum they could be struck

[0:09:46] Trustee Luckham: from the list right well

[0:09:47] Voice 11: they're not on the list because they expired oh so they

[0:09:50] Trustee Patrick: have been removed

[0:09:51] Trustee Patrick: already i

[0:09:52] Voice 11: don't see see them on the list anymore myself okay

[0:09:57] Trustee Patrick: well if they've been removed then i

[0:09:59] Trustee Patrick: guess the issue because some we had some correspondence referring to one and it must

[0:10:03] Trustee Patrick: must have been, they found it somewhere, so.

[0:10:07] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, historical.

[0:10:10] Trustee Patrick: If it's gone, it's gone then.

[0:10:13] Trustee Patrick: So, no, I would withdraw this motion if...

[0:10:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, it's moved and seconded,

[0:10:19] Trustee Luckham: so it belongs to the committee.

[0:10:20] Trustee Luckham: So let's just vote it down if it's no longer necessary.

[0:10:23] Trustee Luckham: So I'll just simply call for the vote.

[0:10:24] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:10:27] Trustee Luckham: Are you in favor?

[0:10:27] Trustee Luckham: You're not in favor?

[0:10:28] Trustee Luckham: All those opposed? Oh, sorry.

[0:10:29] Voice 20: Yeah,

[0:10:30] Trustee Luckham: so now those opposed.

[0:10:31] Trustee Luckham: And Peter, so that is defeated.

[0:10:33] Trustee Luckham: a little minor technicality, learning opportunity.

[0:10:37] Trustee Luckham: That's okay.

[0:10:38] Trustee Luckham: So great.

[0:10:39] Trustee Luckham: So let's go to work program top priorities report,

[0:10:41] Trustee Luckham: February 22nd.

[0:10:42] Trustee Luckham: Any questions on that?

[0:10:46] Trustee Luckham: Nope.

[0:10:47] Trustee Luckham: So then the projects list would be the next item I'd go to.

[0:10:51] Trustee Luckham: Anything on the projects list?

[0:10:53] Trustee Luckham: Trustees.

[0:10:56] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:10:56] Trustee Luckham: Then I'm going to go to applications with status report.

[0:11:00] Trustee Luckham: I'm going too fast.

[0:11:01] Trustee Luckham: Just tell me to slow down.

[0:11:03] Trustee Luckham: Applications with status report.

[0:11:04] Trustee Luckham: Are there any questions on any of the applications

[0:11:08] Trustee Luckham: No, okay.

[0:11:13] Trustee Luckham: We have an expense report from December, 2021.

[0:11:17] Trustee Luckham: Any remarks there would need to get directed

[0:11:20] Trustee Luckham: to the finance staff.

[0:11:23] Trustee Luckham: So that's there for information for the most part.

[0:11:26] Trustee Luckham: So we received that information.

[0:11:30] Trustee Luckham: Nothing from the Honest Trust Conservancy Board today,

[0:11:33] Trustee Luckham: but certainly there's lots of great activity going on there

[0:11:38] Trustee Luckham: there as the year and the season spring opens up,

[0:11:42] Trustee Luckham: they'll be getting back out into the field

[0:11:43] Trustee Luckham: to do some maintenance and monitoring work.

[0:11:47] Trustee Luckham: So let us go to 7.7,

[0:11:49] Trustee Luckham: Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance.

[0:11:51] Trustee Luckham: There's no actual report here today.

[0:11:54] Trustee Luckham: There isn't a business item coming up

[0:11:56] Trustee Luckham: with respect to the budget request, tax requisition.

[0:12:04] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, do you have any remarks

[0:12:06] Trustee Luckham: that you'd like to share as a report item on 7.7?

[0:12:13] Trustee Patrick: Not tremendously, the SWPA did meet

[0:12:17] Trustee Patrick: following our last LTC meeting

[0:12:20] Trustee Patrick: where we had that report from the consultant there,

[0:12:24] Trustee Patrick: Kirk Stenchcombe on some options for governance.

[0:12:29] Trustee Patrick: Those options were discussed at our SWPA meeting

[0:12:32] Trustee Patrick: and just remain as options.

[0:12:34] Trustee Patrick: We're not making choices at this time.

[0:12:36] Trustee Patrick: it was it was just good feedback and conversation around the various options and the pros and cons

[0:12:43] Trustee Patrick: so nothing else okay

[0:12:47] Trustee Luckham: thank you then um let us then go to the ganges village planning task force

[0:12:52] Trustee Luckham: uh chairs update um is the chair with us and rob can you promote them to participants i

[0:13:02] Voice 29: don't see

[0:13:04] Trustee Luckham: Okay,

[0:13:05] Voice 29: I see Louisa

[0:13:05] Trustee Luckham: Garbo's hand up.

[0:13:06] Trustee Luckham: Louisa?

[0:13:08] Voice 13: Hi.

[0:13:08] Voice 13: Yeah, Chair, we just got an email from Jenny McLean.

[0:13:13] Voice 13: She's unable to attend, but there is no update because there was no meeting last month.

[0:13:21] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:13:22] Trustee Luckham: For some reason, your audio is very poor, so we might want to look at that before you get into items that you'll be reporting to us on.

[0:13:31] Trustee Luckham: but thank you I understood that the chair is unavailable today and nothing to report so I'm

[0:13:36] Trustee Luckham: going to go to the housing action

[0:13:37] Trustee Grove: for a second excuse me chair could I confirm with Louisa that

[0:13:42] Trustee Grove: there is a meeting this Thursday the 17th at 10 o'clock yes

[0:13:46] Voice 13: and

[0:13:47] Trustee Grove: I'll be expecting a quorum for

[0:13:49] Trustee Grove: that I

[0:13:51] Voice 13: don't know yet I can check with Rob yeah

[0:13:57] Trustee Grove: if not if you could let me know thank you yeah

[0:13:59] Voice 13: we'll let you know okay

[0:14:02] Trustee Luckham: super thank you um so the next item then would be the house and action

[0:14:06] Trustee Luckham: program task force uh the chair's report is the chair of the committee here as

[0:14:14] Voice 29: far as i can see

[0:14:15] Voice 29: the chair is not logged in it

[0:14:18] Voice 25: doesn't look like

[0:14:18] Voice 29: it yeah well

[0:14:19] Trustee Patrick: maybe they weren't expected until

[0:14:21] Trustee Patrick: 1005 on the agenda so they may not be here yet yeah

[0:14:27] Trustee Luckham: fair enough um so we could if we see them

[0:14:29] Trustee Luckham: them pop up maybe if I don't notice somebody else could flag that and if it's okay with the LTC

[0:14:34] Trustee Luckham: would provide them an opportunity to speak at that time okay so then that's good we're at our

[0:14:42] Trustee Luckham: schedule that's kind of good local trust committee projects so water sustainability results from

[0:14:47] Trustee Luckham: out on the watershed protection line special property tax rescission requisition we have a

[0:14:52] Trustee Luckham: staff report here and get to that item on my agenda applications

[0:15:01] Voice 22: okay

[0:15:08] Voice 25: here we are all right

[0:15:10] Trustee Luckham: so jason um looks like you're the lead on this one so you want to uh introduce this and uh we'll see

[0:15:16] Trustee Luckham: what uh the ltc would like to do yeah

[0:15:20] Voice 26: thank you chair luckham i was just furiously writing some

[0:15:23] Voice 26: speaking notes but you guys are moving quick this morning so uh in keeping with uh trust council

[0:15:30] Voice 26: Council Policy 6.3.2, staff are providing the Local Trust Committee with a request for

[0:15:35] Voice 26: decision to endorse and forward to Trust Council for its March meeting, should you so choose.

[0:15:40] Voice 26: This request for decision concerns a special property tax requisition to fund the coordination

[0:15:45] Voice 26: of watershed stewardship initiatives on Salt Spring Island.

[0:15:50] Voice 26: In August of 2021, the LTC submitted a placeholder business case for inclusion in the Trust Council

[0:15:56] Voice 26: budget with a special property tax requisition in the amount of $75,500, which is a number that's

[0:16:03] Voice 26: consistent with that which has been requested for the past two fiscal years. That business case

[0:16:08] Voice 26: included the caveat that there is ongoing work being done by a consultant on a watershed

[0:16:14] Voice 26: stewardship and protection strategic plan, part of which involves an analysis of SWPA and

[0:16:21] Voice 26: recommendations perhaps for its reform or indeed um alternatives to it uh i wish that i could

[0:16:29] Voice 26: provide you with that final report before you have to make this endorse this request for a decision

[0:16:33] Voice 26: today but um that report won't be coming to you until your next ltc meeting so uh you're in the

[0:16:39] Voice 26: position i guess of having to make a decision on this budget request without knowing what that

[0:16:44] Voice 26: report might say but um so a bit of a mismatch there but uh we'll find a way i should the ltc

[0:16:51] Voice 26: choose to implement the recommendations of the consultant if that's the way you want to go.

[0:16:57] Voice 26: Of that $75,500 tax requisition, it envisions up to $60,000 being set aside to compensate a

[0:17:05] Voice 26: coordinator for SWPA, for the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance, and the remaining

[0:17:10] Voice 26: $15,000 is distributed between meeting costs and communications and education materials that are

[0:17:16] Voice 26: generated by SWPA for the purpose of improving watershed stewardship on the island.

[0:17:22] Voice 26: in accordance with trust council policy uh the public should be given some opportunity to comment

[0:17:27] Voice 26: on proposed special property tax requisitions so two questions were included in the overall trust

[0:17:33] Voice 26: council budget consultation it's my understanding that engagement with uh the trust council budget

[0:17:39] Voice 26: survey has far exceeded um sort of what trust council has received in the way of feedback from

[0:17:45] Voice 26: previous fiscal years but i'm a little embarrassed to say that i don't actually have the results of

[0:17:50] Voice 26: those two questions for you today. I hoped to be able to sort of walk in what those survey results

[0:17:55] Voice 26: were but I did not receive those in time. I would anticipate however that I would assume that

[0:18:03] Voice 26: financial planning committee which meets tomorrow and on which two of the three possibly all three

[0:18:10] Voice 26: of you sit will likely be receiving that survey information for discussion there and so you'll be

[0:18:16] Voice 26: be privy to it again, where you will also see this request

[0:18:20] Voice 26: for decision that you're being asked to endorse today.

[0:18:22] Voice 26: So there is an opportunity to incorporate the survey

[0:18:25] Voice 26: feedback into your decisions about whether or not

[0:18:29] Voice 26: to forward this special property tax requisition

[0:18:31] Voice 26: on to trust council for March.

[0:18:36] Voice 26: I think that's all I really have to say about that.

[0:18:38] Voice 26: The request for decision is there.

[0:18:39] Voice 26: Should you choose to endorse it?

[0:18:42] Voice 26: Okay, thank you.

[0:18:43] Voice 26: Any

[0:18:43] Trustee Luckham: questions for staff?

[0:18:45] Trustee Luckham: And do you want to make,

[0:18:47] Trustee Luckham: does one of you want to make the motion?

[0:18:49] Trustee Luckham: uh laura patrick well

[0:18:50] Trustee Patrick: i just want to make some i i have had some insight from uh the staff that

[0:18:55] Trustee Patrick: are pouring over the data that uh it's it is a bit grim the results of those questions as one

[0:19:00] Trustee Patrick: could expect part of it piers island is quite you know um organized and not happy about being

[0:19:06] Trustee Patrick: included in the in the tax so um which they've voiced their opinions uh quite widely we started

[0:19:14] Trustee Patrick: of the process over a year ago on trying to do the strategic plan which and and great desire and hope

[0:19:23] Trustee Patrick: on my part was that we would have had a a near final plan by now that could have helped inform

[0:19:28] Trustee Patrick: this year's budget decision and now that's not happening until next year next uh fiscal or

[0:19:35] Trustee Patrick: beginning in the spring here the uh strategic plan um so i you know as we consider some of

[0:19:45] Trustee Patrick: these options and understand it a bit better. You know, I know the consultant that's working

[0:19:52] Trustee Patrick: with us had called status, modified status quo was the bottom. We still haven't figured out what

[0:19:59] Trustee Patrick: modified status quo means and what that could mean to this budget item. So without having

[0:20:08] Trustee Patrick: having information I feel that there's at this point we we we need to stick with the 75 500 but

[0:20:17] Trustee Patrick: hopefully over the next uh three four weeks before we get to the trust Council budget vote um we will

[0:20:25] Trustee Patrick: have won the third quarter Financials at that point and be able to know where we are and I

[0:20:31] Trustee Patrick: think there hopefully will be opportunity to reduce this number but we just don't have the

[0:20:35] Trustee Patrick: data in our hand today but i think we will have some better indication in the next three weeks

[0:20:41] Trustee Patrick: before we have the vote at trust council

[0:20:45] Trustee Grove: okay thank you peter grove um i think laura is correct

[0:20:51] Trustee Grove: having said that i mean it is extremely frustrating trust council really doesn't actually

[0:20:56] Trustee Grove: care too much what happens on salt spring because it doesn't affect trust council and the trust

[0:21:01] Trustee Grove: council's budget at all um because this is money raised um on salt spring having said that you know

[0:21:06] Trustee Grove: we've been looking at this over and over again, and I'm becoming less and less enthralled. We're

[0:21:12] Trustee Grove: not spending what we raise, and we have money from previous periods, which we are year-marking.

[0:21:22] Trustee Grove: But anyway, I think Laura's suggestion is correct, and I think that if anything happens between now

[0:21:28] Trustee Grove: and the Trust Council meeting to change our minds, we should press on with it.

[0:21:33] Trustee Grove: it. Laura Patrick?

[0:21:38] Trustee Patrick: I guess I'd look to Planner Yeomans. Would you want a resolution from us to

[0:21:46] Trustee Patrick: ask you to work on trying to come up with a tighter number based on what modified status quo

[0:21:54] Trustee Patrick: and any whatever third quarter surpluses that come out of this? Do you need that direction?

[0:22:06] Voice 26: is

[0:22:07] Trustee Patrick: my microphone

[0:22:08] Voice 26: on um no it's uh i think you're asking me to think on my on my feet here a little

[0:22:14] Voice 26: bit obviously i've been in close communication with the consultant and have some understanding

[0:22:21] Voice 26: of the direction that he might recommend um however it's it's really then up to the local

[0:22:30] Voice 26: trust committee to discuss amongst yourselves and and seek staff advice on the on the implementation

[0:22:35] Voice 26: of that direction should you so choose um so i'm i'm i will follow any direction that that i'm

[0:22:49] Voice 26: given if there's if there is um information that you would like to receive from staff that you

[0:22:53] Voice 26: think will inform uh ultimately the the the special property tax requisition i'm happy to

[0:23:00] Voice 26: to provide that to the best I can.

[0:23:01] Voice 26: But at this stage, I don't have the details

[0:23:03] Voice 26: of what the modified status quo could look like

[0:23:06] Voice 26: in order to really know what I would need to provide to you.

[0:23:10] Trustee Patrick: No, I understand that.

[0:23:11] Trustee Patrick: I was just saying in the next,

[0:23:13] Trustee Patrick: before trust council in March, which is not far away,

[0:23:18] Trustee Patrick: just under a month, if it's not gonna help,

[0:23:21] Trustee Patrick: then we don't need to make that direction.

[0:23:23] Trustee Patrick: We can just go with surplus and modify it

[0:23:25] Trustee Patrick: to the 75,000 or whatever.

[0:23:27] Trustee Patrick: But so

[0:23:30] Trustee Luckham: I don't know.

[0:23:31] Trustee Luckham: Well, given the timing, I think we're caught between a rock and a hard place here.

[0:23:37] Trustee Luckham: So we have to advance the budget accordingly.

[0:23:39] Trustee Luckham: And if something gets walked in at trust council that makes a decrease, that's probably easier to handle than any kind of an increase.

[0:23:48] Trustee Patrick: I would anticipate a decrease, not an increase.

[0:23:52] Trustee Luckham: Well, so then that could certainly be modified if you had sufficient data.

[0:23:58] Trustee Luckham: later. I'll ask Trustee Grove, you're the chair of the Financial Planning Committee. What's your

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham: feelings on that?

[0:24:08] Trustee Grove: I think we just have to move ahead. I agree it's too late at this point.

[0:24:12] Trustee Grove: It's just a bit of a hiccup and we'll see how it happens. But Jason Yeoman's had his hands up.

[0:24:16] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Jason, over to you.

[0:24:18] Trustee Grove: I may have

[0:24:19] Voice 26: changed my mind, I think. Ultimately,

[0:24:23] Voice 26: when the consultant's report is received and the LTC has a chance to discuss it,

[0:24:28] Voice 26: then you might get a better sense of how you might want to to realign the budget and just i

[0:24:33] Voice 26: recognize that unfortunately due to timing um we may have missed the the boat on that for this

[0:24:38] Voice 26: fiscal year okay so

[0:24:42] Trustee Luckham: i think we should proceed all

[0:24:45] Trustee Patrick: right well then i'll move that the salt spring

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick: island local trust committee endorsed the attached request for decision and authorized staff to

[0:24:51] Trustee Patrick: proceed it to forward it for consideration to i own stress council let's

[0:24:57] Trustee Luckham: move to have a seconder

[0:24:58] Trustee Luckham: peter grove thank you um any discussion no um i'm going to uh speak uh to in support of the

[0:25:08] Trustee Luckham: motion of course um but do want to speak to the pierce island uh uh feedback that we've had um

[0:25:15] Trustee Luckham: this is not the first time for sure i remember hearing this on at least one other occasion

[0:25:21] Trustee Luckham: possibly more. And it's certainly, I sympathize. However, it's a dilemma with how the property tax requisitions are formulated by the province and that the area is taxed at the same level.

[0:25:42] Trustee Luckham: So certainly it's a federation-wide concept within the local trust area.

[0:25:48] Trustee Luckham: All of the Gulf Islands that are within the purview of the Salt Spring Island local trust area are affected by that tax.

[0:25:56] Trustee Luckham: And it would be interesting and helpful, I think, if there was some ability to consider

[0:26:03] Trustee Luckham: or be more clear about what benefits there are for this work and region to those places.

[0:26:12] Trustee Luckham: even if we and whether or not we can contribute directly to assisting those water needs that are

[0:26:19] Trustee Luckham: elsewhere. Certainly, Provo is in a very different circumstance than many of the other islands

[0:26:24] Trustee Luckham: because they get the water from them from the big island. So anyway, I just want to reflect on that

[0:26:30] Trustee Luckham: and be up to the LTC to determine whether or not we want to take any action. Trustee Patrick?

[0:26:36] Trustee Patrick: Well, this is about watersheds. It's not just about drinking water. So it's our plants and

[0:26:40] Trustee Patrick: trees that need to have water too to survive and um and certainly piers island prevo and the other

[0:26:46] Trustee Patrick: islands are are within the jurisdiction of swip up um so you know in theory things that we're

[0:26:52] Trustee Patrick: working on could be applied there so um i think that's a good reminder as we do our strategic plan

[0:26:59] Trustee Patrick: to make sure that we're very clear on um identifying uh i see jason scribbling down

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: some notes and nodding that we're very clear that those associated islands are not left out

[0:27:10] Trustee Patrick: out of our strategic plan that they're captured.

[0:27:14] Trustee Luckham: Great, well, as chair of the SOPA,

[0:27:17] Trustee Luckham: I'll leave it to you to bring that to the table

[0:27:19] Trustee Luckham: for discussion, so thank you for that recognition.

[0:27:24] Trustee Luckham: So if there's nothing further, I'll call the vote on this.

[0:27:27] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:27:29] Trustee Luckham: None opposed, so that carries.

[0:27:32] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much and thank you, Jason,

[0:27:34] Trustee Luckham: for supporting us on this item.

[0:27:38] Trustee Luckham: All right, so 8.2 now is the housing action

[0:27:42] Trustee Luckham: program and planner Louisa Garbo is going to provide a report to us on this. I want to thank

[0:27:50] Trustee Luckham: you for this very thorough report. A lot of really great information leading the edge in many respects

[0:27:58] Trustee Luckham: throughout the Island Trust area. So thank you and I'll turn it over to you.

[0:28:02] Voice 24: Thank you, Chair.

[0:28:03] Voice 24: Can you hear me better?

[0:28:05] Trustee Luckham: Absolutely. Very nice. Yeah.

[0:28:06] Voice 24: Okay. All right. That's great. So we have

[0:28:09] Voice 24: five resolutions proposed for three items and the last three actually ties to the same item

[0:28:17] Voice 24: and i'll go over that briefly and uh succinctly if i as much as i can the first projects

[0:28:25] Voice 24: project regards uh regarding to the tiny homes village pilot project and this is one of the

[0:28:34] Voice 24: the proposed measures within the Housing Action Program.

[0:28:38] Voice 24: So there are a number of measures the task force is still working on, and this is one

[0:28:44] Voice 24: that they do send a recommendation to the LTC for consideration.

[0:28:50] Voice 24: And this is really one that focuses on prioritized affordable housing options.

[0:28:57] Voice 24: So this one refers to more affordable home ownership because the proposal is for a tiny

[0:29:04] Voice 24: Homes Village. And as shown on the attachment, we proposed the framework. Now, this is a pilot

[0:29:14] Voice 24: project, and that's what it is. And it might not be successful, but we hope it's going to be

[0:29:19] Voice 24: successful. It's first of its kind on the island. And we're looking for a private developer or

[0:29:26] Voice 24: agencies or a nonprofit group if they want to be, if they're interested in it. In the framework,

[0:29:33] Voice 24: work we offer a list of support that we can provide and at the same time I think once the

[0:29:41] Voice 24: goal is once local trust committee give us the green light to go ahead with the project where

[0:29:48] Voice 24: we'll post it online we will try to promote the project and at the same time we will look for

[0:29:53] Voice 24: funding to see if we can have any support for it. Unfortunately

[0:30:00] Voice 24: So far, I haven't been able to find funding because of the homeownership is kind of challenging to find funding, but we're still working on it.

[0:30:08] Voice 24: So we haven't done a lot of research until this is being blessed by the local trust committee.

[0:30:16] Voice 24: We share the project with the technical working group, which consisting of staff members from various ministries and CRD.

[0:30:28] Voice 24: and the comment we have particularly from CRD in building inspection is they are not going to

[0:30:37] Voice 24: support tiny homes on wheels it has to be on the ground and that was the intent for our pilot

[0:30:44] Voice 24: project anyway so they're okay with that and also waters of course is an issue we did have

[0:30:52] Voice 24: have a conversation with the water district again it's okay if the project doesn't tap into the

[0:30:59] Voice 24: their existing water capacity or system and so we did reach out to transition salt spring they're

[0:31:06] Voice 24: very excited about this type of project and they are actually willing to collaborate with us

[0:31:12] Voice 24: and they say depends on the application proposal they are happy to offer because they have

[0:31:20] Voice 24: expertise on the water and from the technical side so they're willing to

[0:31:26] Voice 24: collaborate with us on the project to see how we can look at water source or

[0:31:30] Voice 24: alternative water source and also maybe tap into their rainwater harvesting

[0:31:36] Voice 24: rebate program so this is all in the works so and we also share at a very

[0:31:44] Voice 24: high level with the conversation with First Nations and just go back to as a reminder if

[0:31:52] Voice 24: trustees remember back in March of last year at the community to community meeting with First

[0:32:00] Voice 24: Nations chiefs and councils at the end is to direct staff to continuously collaborate with

[0:32:06] Voice 24: First Nations so we have ongoing conversation with First Nations at the background and this came up

[0:32:14] Voice 24: at one of the conversations and they are they don't have a lot of concerns with the tiny homes

[0:32:19] Voice 24: and one nation's particularly cowichan was actually quite curious about the project

[0:32:25] Voice 24: so once we get the green light we can really have a more detailed conversation with first nations

[0:32:34] Voice 24: so this is kind of the brief summary and at this point i guess from the process perspective with

[0:32:44] Voice 24: trustees want us to go through the entire staff report of all three items so do you want to go

[0:32:50] Voice 24: one by one uh because the first resolution is relating to the tiny homes village pilot project

[0:32:59] Voice 25: okay um trustees how would you like to proceed do you have any questions one

[0:33:04] Trustee Patrick: by one by one

[0:33:05] Trustee Patrick: they're very different okay

[0:33:10] Voice 24: i have i'm happy to answer any questions you have on the tiny homes

[0:33:13] Voice 24: village so

[0:33:14] Trustee Grove: that's fine you're suggesting sort of one by one of these resolutions it would be one

[0:33:18] Trustee Grove: at a time okay so the first

[0:33:20] Trustee Patrick: one topic well one topic area we don't need to make the resolution

[0:33:23] Trustee Patrick: yet but we're discussing the pilot which

[0:33:27] Trustee Luckham: i have some

[0:33:27] Trustee Patrick: questions so

[0:33:29] Trustee Luckham: you want to address then now

[0:33:31] Trustee Luckham: the tiny homes village pilot project so are there any questions for staff on the project uh trustee

[0:33:37] Trustee Luckham: Patrick.

[0:33:38] Trustee Patrick: How is this pilot project really different from what the, sorry, I'm having a

[0:33:46] Trustee Patrick: total brain on the Fernando's project. Dragonfly. Thank you. How is this different from Dragonfly?

[0:33:57] Voice 24: I would think it's really the timing because they submitted their applications and we were not ready

[0:34:03] Voice 24: where we're still working on developing the framework.

[0:34:06] Trustee Patrick: So it's a

[0:34:07] Trustee Patrick: similar type of development is what you're envisioning.

[0:34:10] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to clarify that.

[0:34:12] Voice 19: And

[0:34:13] Trustee Patrick: is this only intended as a pilot,

[0:34:18] Trustee Patrick: but it sounds like you're proposing that once a year

[0:34:20] Trustee Patrick: that there will be an intake for applications for how many projects?

[0:34:28] Voice 24: Right now, we can only deal with one.

[0:34:31] Voice 24: That's what we proposed.

[0:34:33] Voice 24: mainly because not only the workload but because this is so new until we get a particularly on the

[0:34:40] Voice 24: technicality on the water supply issue once we get a better handle on it so it's one pilot project

[0:34:48] Voice 24: at a time and also if we do get funding it's my suspicion it's it's going to be very limited so

[0:34:55] Voice 24: So it's not a lot of money.

[0:34:57] Voice 24: So it will be challenging to go over many projects.

[0:35:03] Voice 24: Again, nothing is cast in stone because this is really the first time for us to experience this.

[0:35:10] Voice 24: When we get a lot, let's say we get three or four applications, we certainly will bring it back to local trust committee to discuss what's the best approach.

[0:35:21] Voice 24: should we select one out of that or where are we at by that time as far as fundings and a lot of

[0:35:29] Voice 24: times some of the proposal could come with funding themselves they just want to look at the

[0:35:36] Voice 24: incentives of expediting the process and perhaps get some advice from the water source so some

[0:35:44] Voice 24: application might not need funding for it yeah

[0:35:51] Trustee Patrick: i mean i under i understand the the

[0:35:54] Trustee Patrick: the resourcing um my yeah i i want the success of the program is important and i and i worry about

[0:36:08] Trustee Patrick: you know just submitting an application requires an investment someone's going to have to spend

[0:36:13] Trustee Patrick: spend money to design this and if there's only one given that you know there's you know there

[0:36:21] Trustee Patrick: will be a lack of interest in in applying so that's I'm just concerned the uptake could be

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick: low and then also it's it's hard to gauge the success so if there were three applicants how

[0:36:38] Trustee Patrick: do you you know if you're going to be picking one and you may may have picked the wrong one

[0:36:42] Trustee Patrick: just because getting the housing from concept to built is is a long path that's even with

[0:36:51] Trustee Patrick: assistance and incentives it's still difficult on salt spring so um to me part of it what we're

[0:37:01] Trustee Patrick: looking for is trying to find the formula for success what is that formula that works does

[0:37:06] Trustee Patrick: does this type of housing field a need?

[0:37:11] Trustee Patrick: And is it good?

[0:37:14] Trustee Patrick: I'm not worried about lots of applications

[0:37:16] Trustee Patrick: cause it's everyone that is trying to work on projects

[0:37:24] Trustee Patrick: generally has something that they're working on.

[0:37:26] Trustee Patrick: There could be one or two that may be generated,

[0:37:29] Trustee Patrick: but success of the program.

[0:37:31] Trustee Patrick: So I do have some concerns around just having one

[0:37:34] Trustee Patrick: accepted per year.

[0:37:35] Trustee Patrick: I understand the resource issue related to it,

[0:37:38] Trustee Patrick: But I think it may affect the likelihood of applications coming in, just due to the workload. I think, you know, saying that there could be two or something of that nature might just, even though there may only be one that comes in, gives a little higher hope and aspirations to those that are filling out the, or, you know, to apply, would feel more like there's a likelihood that they would get in rather than be competing with the

[0:38:08] Trustee Patrick: they're already going to be competing on everything if they if they want to proceed

[0:38:12] Trustee Patrick: with a housing project so that's i think i think it's a it's a good idea it gives us some learning

[0:38:18] Trustee Patrick: and gets us involved um uh with a project but i i would think that you know maybe running this

[0:38:26] Trustee Patrick: you know once in the beginning and looking for you know if we end up with two projects yeah that

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick: could you know could be problematic but we could we could assess resources needed to facilitate it

[0:38:38] Trustee Patrick: depending on who comes to the table, you might end up with a very professional group that's got

[0:38:43] Trustee Patrick: lots of experience and will need less handholding and support versus another applicant that might

[0:38:49] Trustee Patrick: come forward that has never done this before and is going to need more work. And you just won't

[0:38:55] Trustee Patrick: know until you have those applications in. So that's my thought would be is to either say we're

[0:39:01] Trustee Patrick: we're looking for two and run this like once and see what happens and then if we repeated another

[0:39:07] Trustee Patrick: year we could make that decision later okay

[0:39:13] Trustee Grove: peter grove thanks laura your points well taken

[0:39:16] Trustee Grove: why should we limit it at all i mean whoever happens to be in the ltc at the time can make

[0:39:22] Trustee Grove: those decisions as and when they come in if they do okay

[0:39:34] Voice 25: any other um questions or thoughts

[0:39:37] Voice 25: so

[0:39:41] Trustee Luckham: there is a motion there if you'd like to advance that well

[0:39:45] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to know how people

[0:39:47] Trustee Patrick: i mean this is design right now the way this is written says one applicant and it'll run

[0:39:52] Trustee Patrick: every year with an application processor do we feel that that's um or do do we want to

[0:40:02] Trustee Patrick: maybe run it with a up to you know the first year run it as a up to two potential projects

[0:40:09] Trustee Patrick: projects, you know, staff, of course, would have to input in selecting those.

[0:40:14] Trustee Luckham: So that would require an amendment then. So to the...

[0:40:20] Trustee Luckham: Excuse me, if I may.

[0:40:23] Trustee Grove: Go ahead, Peter.

[0:40:24] Trustee Grove: I'm sorry, the recommendation one doesn't talk about that at all. We're just talking about,

[0:40:28] Trustee Grove: and so I think we can go ahead with the recommendation number one as it is,

[0:40:32] Trustee Grove: and our comments can be passed on by staff to the committee.

[0:40:37] Trustee Grove: Yeah,

[0:40:38] Trustee Luckham: that's fair. Does that align with your thinking, Planner Garbo?

[0:40:43] Voice 24: Yeah, we can certainly make note on that particular, yeah.

[0:40:49] Trustee Grove: So I'm happy to make that motion. I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[0:40:52] Trustee Grove: request staff to proceed with research on funding and the referral process on the Tiny Homes Village

[0:40:58] Trustee Grove: pilot project.

[0:41:00] Trustee Luckham: So I moved. Patrick, do you second? Thank you. Any further discussion? Trustee Patrick?

[0:41:07] Voice 25: um

[0:41:10] Voice 20: yeah i think you

[0:41:15] Trustee Patrick: know the funding is an interesting one this is an interesting island

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick: as you know uh when we needed to raise funding to build a uh the the new emergency center they

[0:41:29] Trustee Patrick: they raised millions in what less than a week um so there are a lot of people interested in the

[0:41:39] Trustee Patrick: housing um challenges and understand the risks that it's posing on our community so

[0:41:46] Trustee Patrick: if if you were to innovatively advertise the pilot project you may attract um private funding

[0:41:55] Trustee Patrick: as well um here on this island for the right project okay

[0:42:09] Trustee Luckham: well i say i just say i see the

[0:42:12] Trustee Luckham: the funding is a critical piece of it,

[0:42:16] Trustee Luckham: depending on the scope of what the funding would provide for,

[0:42:20] Trustee Luckham: whether it would be infrastructure or otherwise.

[0:42:24] Trustee Luckham: But I think we just need to follow this

[0:42:26] Trustee Luckham: and see where it goes.

[0:42:27] Trustee Luckham: So if there's no further discussion, I'd call the vote.

[0:42:30] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:42:33] Trustee Luckham: And so that carries unanimously.

[0:42:35] Trustee Luckham: All right, thank you.

[0:42:38] Trustee Luckham: So shall we go to the next item

[0:42:41] Trustee Luckham: that is captured by the recommendation there

[0:42:44] Trustee Luckham: regarding standing resolutions.

[0:42:48] Trustee Luckham: Planner Garbo, are you going to introduce that?

[0:42:50] Voice 24: Sure. Thank you, Chair.

[0:42:52] Voice 24: The second one is really just for clarity

[0:42:57] Voice 24: on the standing resolution that was adopted

[0:42:59] Voice 24: at the last meeting.

[0:43:02] Voice 24: And it's really something I should have caught it.

[0:43:06] Voice 24: What we're proposing is to add the word existing

[0:43:09] Voice 24: to unlawful dwellings because this is to prevent

[0:43:15] Voice 24: or the standing resolution is not to encourage new ones

[0:43:18] Voice 24: to be built and legally we cannot allow that.

[0:43:23] Voice 24: So this is just for clarification,

[0:43:26] Voice 24: just to add that word to the standing resolution.

[0:43:35] Voice 25: Okay, so trustees, do you have any questions?

[0:43:41] Trustee Grove: Peter Grove.

[0:43:43] Trustee Grove: Thank you, I have no problem with this.

[0:43:45] Trustee Grove: I do have a problem with regard and, you know,

[0:43:48] Trustee Grove: I do remember when it crept in. I remember we were under the gun and I remember not being

[0:43:53] Trustee Grove: comfortable with it at the time. And the more I see it and the more I hear what others have to

[0:43:58] Trustee Grove: say, I feel that I can't support. The last part of that sentence, starting with until there are

[0:44:07] Trustee Grove: safe, secure, appropriate housing options that are affordable for all demographics and household

[0:44:12] Trustee Grove: types in perpetuity um quite frankly that's an impossibility um having that statement in there

[0:44:20] Trustee Grove: i find very um um unhelpful it's not necessary um and uh you know at any time an ltc can change

[0:44:28] Trustee Grove: that resolution but i would remove that it's not right it's uh it's and it's an impossibility in

[0:44:34] Trustee Grove: my view and really kills the whole concept thank you okay laura patrick well

[0:44:41] Trustee Patrick: i i fundamentally

[0:44:42] Trustee Patrick: I fundamentally disagree with that.

[0:44:43] Trustee Patrick: I know it is a hard statement,

[0:44:46] Trustee Patrick: but it's really trying to get the message out

[0:44:49] Trustee Patrick: to the community that this is a big issue

[0:44:51] Trustee Patrick: and it's going to take significant changes

[0:44:54] Trustee Patrick: on all of our parts to fix this housing situation.

[0:44:59] Trustee Patrick: And it does really lay out

[0:45:02] Trustee Patrick: that we've got serious work ahead of us to do.

[0:45:06] Trustee Patrick: So those words are vitally important

[0:45:09] Trustee Patrick: And I feel they should stay because they do serve a broader purpose of how important this issue is.

[0:45:20] Trustee Grove: Trustee Grove?

[0:45:22] Trustee Grove: I don't disagree. It is important, Laura, but it will never happen.

[0:45:28] Trustee Grove: We will never get to that point ever, no matter what happens.

[0:45:31] Trustee Grove: As to in perpetuity, well, I'll be dead well before perpetuity ever happens.

[0:45:37] Trustee Grove: so it's just it's just making it uh impossible to realize and i don't think it's helpful and it's

[0:45:45] Trustee Grove: making a lot of people quite upset in our community so i would just remove it i mean i

[0:45:51] Trustee Grove: i agree with the where you're where you're going i agree with the concept i think i suspect we all

[0:45:55] Trustee Grove: do but that is the wording of that is just far far too strong

[0:46:00] Trustee Patrick: trustee

[0:46:02] Trustee Grove: patrick well

[0:46:04] Trustee Patrick: again i um

[0:46:05] Trustee Patrick: um i'm sorry this is a serious issue we are not meeting the needs of our community that's the

[0:46:11] Trustee Patrick: fundamental mandate of the islands trust preserve and protect this area and that is including the

[0:46:17] Trustee Patrick: diverse population of this community which is a motion that all three of us stood unanimously

[0:46:22] Trustee Patrick: behind it's defining that that is what the mandate is so it is yes very challenging but it is vitally

[0:46:31] Trustee Patrick: important that we try and we try as hard as we can um and um if it makes you uncomfortable

[0:46:38] Trustee Patrick: it's going to make you uncomfortable it's going to make us really uncomfortable when that hospital

[0:46:42] Trustee Patrick: closes well

[0:46:46] Voice 25: i would love

[0:46:47] Trustee Grove: them yeah

[0:46:50] Voice 25: i can't hear you there peter yeah i

[0:46:52] Trustee Grove: would love our chair to

[0:46:53] Trustee Grove: come up with a mediated solution i mean i i it is serious laura and uh we are all taking it very

[0:46:58] Trustee Grove: seriously but i just don't want to put words in there which um screw up the whole notion and make

[0:47:05] Trustee Grove: it impossible to achieve. So, I mean, so in perpetuity is just nonsense. It can't be there.

[0:47:15] Trustee Grove: I mean, maybe if we remove the words in perpetuity, I can't even say it, that would be helpful.

[0:47:23] Trustee Patrick: Well, Mr. Chair, we voted on this back in November. So all we're adding is existing. And

[0:47:30] Trustee Patrick: And I would probably call a point of order

[0:47:34] Trustee Patrick: that this is a remake of a motion

[0:47:36] Trustee Patrick: that was already debated and made.

[0:47:40] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, well, that's fair enough.

[0:47:42] Trustee Luckham: I think that there is a precautionary note

[0:47:44] Trustee Luckham: in the recommendation that's included in our package

[0:47:48] Trustee Luckham: by adding that word,

[0:47:49] Trustee Luckham: because indeed it could become problematic

[0:47:53] Trustee Luckham: if unlawful dwellings are built with the expectation

[0:47:57] Trustee Luckham: that it won't be enforcement.

[0:47:58] Trustee Luckham: enforcement. But I think I certainly understand, Peter, your point of view there. And indeed,

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham: when I read that through in hindsight, I had some concerns about that notion. However,

[0:48:13] Trustee Luckham: this is not an OCP. It's not a bylaw. It's a standing resolution. And if there's two factors

[0:48:21] Trustee Luckham: to that, that I think that certainly a future LTC can withdraw this standing resolution,

[0:48:27] Trustee Luckham: and that would be the end of that.

[0:48:29] Trustee Luckham: The LTC could subsequently amend OCPs

[0:48:32] Trustee Luckham: or that would probably be the place to do it

[0:48:35] Trustee Luckham: in order to create that vision,

[0:48:38] Trustee Luckham: which Laura is aspiring to,

[0:48:41] Trustee Luckham: to have our OCP capture the necessity

[0:48:46] Trustee Luckham: for wide range of housing into the very distant future.

[0:48:52] Trustee Luckham: I also believe that if there's an issue that comes,

[0:48:56] Trustee Luckham: comes, because this is about bylaw enforcement, if there's an issue that arises that enforcement

[0:49:04] Trustee Luckham: believes is important for us to address, they will bring that to us and we will ultimately

[0:49:08] Trustee Luckham: make a decision on that. So it's, I certainly understand your point of view, but I don't think

[0:49:14] Trustee Luckham: this is harmful because it's only a standing resolution, which we can change at any moment,

[0:49:18] Trustee Luckham: as we are proposing today.

[0:49:20] Trustee Grove: Thank you, if I may. And, you know, the fact that we voted on this

[0:49:23] Trustee Grove: before, Laura, I think is actually irrelevant. I mean, we made that decision, and I agree,

[0:49:28] Trustee Grove: I voted for it. But things change, opinions change, and there's no harm in revisiting things.

[0:49:34] Trustee Grove: If we could get rid of the words in perpetuity, I would support this motion. But with it,

[0:49:41] Trustee Grove: I simply cannot for the reasons I've given.

[0:49:46] Trustee Luckham: You, of course, realize that the difficulty here is

[0:49:50] Trustee Luckham: that um and obviously we don't have to have consensus um but the difficulty is this mode

[0:49:57] Trustee Luckham: one someone needs to make a motion and it either is as presented or it has additional material

[0:50:04] Trustee Luckham: in it and uh we can vote it down and and go back to the original motion i

[0:50:09] Trustee Grove: will vote to make an

[0:50:10] Trustee Grove: amendment if i may to this motion and i move that the words in perpetuity be removed from

[0:50:17] Trustee Grove: from recommendation number two.

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I'm simply gonna ask,

[0:50:22] Trustee Luckham: it would be better actually,

[0:50:24] Trustee Luckham: because there's likely to be differing opinions,

[0:50:29] Trustee Luckham: that if there was two motions,

[0:50:31] Trustee Luckham: one that is as recommended and an additional motion

[0:50:34] Trustee Luckham: that asks for the word perpetuity to be deleted,

[0:50:37] Trustee Luckham: then we could vote on those as two separate issues,

[0:50:39] Trustee Luckham: because I think they are very different issues

[0:50:43] Trustee Luckham: and different reasons.

[0:50:44] Trustee Luckham: I imagine that you support removing the word

[0:50:46] Trustee Luckham: or adding the word existing,

[0:50:47] Trustee Luckham: and obviously there's further debate

[0:50:50] Trustee Luckham: on the perpetuity part.

[0:50:51] Trustee Luckham: And so I think we should resolve the problem

[0:50:54] Trustee Luckham: that staff have identified for us and vote on that.

[0:50:57] Trustee Luckham: And then if you would like to make a second motion, Peter,

[0:51:00] Trustee Luckham: I'd certainly be happy to hear that.

[0:51:02] Trustee Grove: Sorry, I don't show that I understand.

[0:51:04] Trustee Grove: So we'll go through two and vote on two as it stands.

[0:51:08] Trustee Grove: Yes.

[0:51:09] Trustee Grove: As it stands, I cannot support it.

[0:51:12] Trustee Grove: And so then you would suggest that presumably

[0:51:16] Trustee Grove: that I would make a second motion that,

[0:51:19] Trustee Grove: and I'd go through the whole exercise again,

[0:51:21] Trustee Grove: but I wouldn't put the words impetuity.

[0:51:23] Trustee Grove: I think that's a bit clumsy myself.

[0:51:26] Trustee Grove: Why can't we just vote to amend or not this motion?

[0:51:30] Trustee Grove: You can put an amendment,

[0:51:31] Trustee Patrick: you can amend the words after the motion is made

[0:51:34] Trustee Patrick: so that you're just making an amendment.

[0:51:37] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:51:38] Trustee Patrick: I will move the motion

[0:51:39] Trustee Patrick: that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:51:41] Trustee Patrick: amend Standing Resolution SS 2021-109

[0:51:44] Trustee Patrick: to state enforcement activities will be deferred for existing lawful dwellings being used for

[0:51:53] Trustee Patrick: residential purposes until there are safe secure appropriate housing options that are affordable

[0:51:59] Trustee Patrick: for all demographics and household types and perpetuity except in the following circumstances

[0:52:05] Trustee Patrick: there are concerns regarding health and safety there are concerns that sewage is not being

[0:52:10] Trustee Patrick: disposed of in an approved septic or sewage disposal system. There are concerns that the

[0:52:16] Trustee Patrick: septic or sewage disposal systems are being used in excess of capacity or ability as a result of

[0:52:23] Trustee Patrick: unlawful dwellings. There are concerns of possible contamination of wells or other drinking water

[0:52:30] Trustee Patrick: sources and unlawful dwellings are in environmental sensitive areas. There are non-permitted campgrounds

[0:52:37] Trustee Patrick: and that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee may give direction to resume enforcement

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick: activities on any property that poses risk to health and safety of the neighboring residents

[0:52:46] Trustee Patrick: and residents on the property in question. And

[0:52:50] Trustee Luckham: I'll second that to get it on the table.

[0:52:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Peter. So that's moved and seconded. And is there further discussion on

[0:52:57] Trustee Luckham: this motion? Would you wish to speak to your motion, Trustee Patrick?

[0:53:01] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think all we

[0:53:02] Trustee Patrick: are is adding existing that's all i you know i i agree

[0:53:05] Trustee Patrick: thank

[0:53:06] Trustee Grove: you trustee grove so i would move for

[0:53:09] Trustee Grove: reasons i've already given that the words in perpetuity be removed from this motion from the

[0:53:17] Trustee Grove: first paragraph

[0:53:18] Voice 20: of the motion all right so do i have a seconder for that amendment you know laura

[0:53:29] Trustee Grove: i've got quite upset i always second your emotions no matter what they are i think it's good manners

[0:53:34] Trustee Grove: to second the motion so you can get on the table.

[0:53:41] Trustee Luckham: So for good manners, I'm going to second the motion.

[0:53:47] Trustee Luckham: And do you wish to speak your motion to a man, Peter?

[0:53:50] Trustee Grove: No, thank you.

[0:53:51] Trustee Grove: I've made my comments and they still hold.

[0:53:53] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[0:53:54] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:53:57] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to stand with my remarks from earlier.

[0:54:00] Trustee Luckham: And Trustee Patrick, do you have any further remarks?

[0:54:03] Trustee Patrick: This was an important word.

[0:54:05] Trustee Patrick: This was responding to the task force had asked

[0:54:07] Trustee Patrick: that the word be in you know sustainability be added and this was a definition of sustainability

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick: sustainability is about forever that we find that equilibrium that works for our community and that

[0:54:19] Trustee Patrick: we can balance um in a way that's respectful of of the ocp desires that we can live in balance

[0:54:29] Trustee Patrick: in harmony with the environment including our diverse population so in perpetuity is important

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick: and I will be voting against it.

[0:54:38] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:54:43] Voice 25: Yeah,

[0:54:43] Trustee Luckham: in reflection, with respect to my remarks earlier,

[0:54:47] Trustee Luckham: that this is not an OCP and so can be changed

[0:54:50] Trustee Luckham: at any point in time.

[0:54:53] Trustee Luckham: I do, and I don't have it in front of me

[0:54:55] Trustee Luckham: and I haven't reflected on it before

[0:54:57] Trustee Luckham: because I wasn't expecting this conversation,

[0:55:00] Trustee Luckham: is what does it actually say in our OCP

[0:55:02] Trustee Luckham: about providing a wide range of affordable housing

[0:55:06] Trustee Luckham: for the community in a perpetual state,

[0:55:11] Trustee Luckham: which is in the vision of the,

[0:55:14] Trustee Luckham: what would be the vision of the community.

[0:55:16] Trustee Luckham: So there's, I think there's consideration in the future

[0:55:19] Trustee Luckham: for us to consider whether or not that language in our OCP,

[0:55:21] Trustee Luckham: it doesn't already say that,

[0:55:23] Trustee Luckham: that we might consider some wording that would say that.

[0:55:28] Trustee Luckham: So without any, I'm not going to say anything else

[0:55:32] Trustee Luckham: other than that, I will not,

[0:55:34] Trustee Luckham: i'm afraid peter's support that at this time because i don't believe it's a it's a problem

[0:55:39] Trustee Luckham: at the moment um and we can change it if it becomes a problem so is there any further

[0:55:44] Trustee Luckham: discussion then i'll call for the vote all those in favor whoops and okay thank you and those

[0:55:52] Trustee Luckham: opposed so that's two opposed and one in favor and so that that does not carry so thank you uh peter

[0:56:00] Trustee Luckham: Peter, good effort, I do understand what you're saying.

[0:56:05] Trustee Luckham: I think there's a different mechanism.

[0:56:08] Trustee Luckham: All right, so let us then move along.

[0:56:11] Trustee Luckham: The first, oh no, I got to now call the original motion,

[0:56:16] Trustee Luckham: which has the word existing being added.

[0:56:20] Trustee Luckham: And so if there's no further debate on the original motion,

[0:56:23] Trustee Luckham: I'll call for the vote.

[0:56:24] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:56:26] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[0:56:30] Trustee Luckham: Peter, your voice is off.

[0:56:31] Trustee Luckham: Are you in favor or opposed?

[0:56:32] Trustee Luckham: you're

[0:56:34] Trustee Grove: muted beg your pardon sorry so we're voting for the original motion as read by laura

[0:56:41] Trustee Grove: right that's correct and my amendment obviously is not going to go through

[0:56:45] Trustee Grove: correct i have i have a problem because i do think the word existing is important to this uh to this

[0:56:51] Trustee Grove: bylaw and i suppose um like i'm stuck between rock and a hard face um i uh i really think the

[0:56:59] Trustee Grove: existing word is important, either I can't vote for it because it includes the words in

[0:57:04] Trustee Grove: perpetuity. So go ahead and call the vote, and you'll understand what I'm doing.

[0:57:12] Trustee Luckham: Sure. I would maybe just to help, just to draw your attention to that, I think,

[0:57:17] Trustee Luckham: which is the reason for having a split motion or two separate motions, and it's not unusual to

[0:57:24] Trustee Luckham: or split a motion where the intent are different and the intents with an existing unfaultful

[0:57:32] Trustee Luckham: dwelling and the intent of dwellings in perpetuity are two different issues. And I don't think it

[0:57:40] Trustee Luckham: compromises you in any way, shape or form by supporting this motion, because I think you

[0:57:45] Trustee Luckham: do support the idea of including the word existing, but I'll leave it to your conscience

[0:57:50] Trustee Luckham: just to decide how you vote.

[0:57:51] Trustee Luckham: And so I'll ask one more time,

[0:57:53] Trustee Luckham: and I'm not meaning to try and convince you,

[0:57:56] Trustee Luckham: I'm just talking about process.

[0:57:58] Trustee Grove: Well, a process is important.

[0:58:01] Trustee Grove: I'm, let the record show I am in favor of the word existing,

[0:58:05] Trustee Grove: but I simply can't vote for this motion as it stands

[0:58:07] Trustee Grove: because it's nonsense.

[0:58:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:58:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay then, so then that carries.

[0:58:13] Trustee Luckham: Two in favor, one opposed.

[0:58:14] Trustee Luckham: And do you want the minutes to record that you,

[0:58:17] Trustee Luckham: anything further with respect to your opposition

[0:58:20] Trustee Luckham: to that?

[0:58:21] Trustee Grove: I assume that the minutes will cover what I have said, so that will be just fine.

[0:58:25] Trustee Luckham: We typically only record decisions. And in fact, the previous motion speaks to your intent.

[0:58:32] Trustee Luckham: So I think we'll just leave it at that. All right, Peter, thank you. Good effort.

[0:58:39] Trustee Luckham: And I mean that sincerely. So the next item then is five, which is, here we are, bylaw 528. We

[0:58:48] Trustee Luckham: We have certainly heard a lot with respect to bylaw 528.

[0:58:51] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to turn to staff to advise us on what we know,

[0:58:55] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll go to trustees to see if you have any questions

[0:58:59] Trustee Luckham: and what actions you'd like to take.

[0:59:02] Voice 24: Thank you, Chair.

[0:59:03] Voice 24: The last item we have before you,

[0:59:06] Voice 24: it's regarding bylaw, it's a proposed bylaw 528

[0:59:11] Voice 24: to look at allowing secondary suites

[0:59:14] Voice 24: in all zones with exceptions and we'll get into that in a minute. So essentially this is in

[0:59:23] Voice 24: response to the resolution by trustees at the last meeting regarding allowing accessory dwelling

[0:59:29] Voice 24: units on the island and after some analysis and research what we determined is that to allow

[0:59:40] Voice 24: access accessory dwelling units may require some more work so that's why we offer an interim

[0:59:47] Voice 24: solution an interim step which is looking at secondary suites

[0:59:51] Voice 24: because this secondary suites is part of the housing action program and the project

[1:00:00] Voice 24: mandated staff look at the issue holistically so it's not just affordable

[1:00:05] Voice 24: housing but we look at the environment we look at water sustainability

[1:00:10] Voice 24: transportation and so forth so that's why in the staff report we identify the

[1:00:16] Voice 24: policies that are relevant and this is only at the first stage we haven't done

[1:00:21] Voice 24: detailed OCP analysis but these are the what we have in the staff report so it's

[1:00:27] Voice 24: not just one or two policies it's quite a lot of policies that we need to consider and having said

[1:00:36] Voice 24: that we do realize in order to do the accessory dwelling unit we will require to amend the OCP

[1:00:44] Voice 24: because of certain policies that particularly talk about doing any changes on residential increasing

[1:00:54] Voice 24: increasing residential dwelling has to be done fewer and minor and also incrementally.

[1:01:01] Voice 24: And so that's why, in the meantime, while we are looking at how to amend that in relation to

[1:01:08] Voice 24: a very holistic approach, we think amending OCP takes a long time and it requires a lot of

[1:01:15] Voice 24: very extensive public engagement process. So that's why we think one easy solution,

[1:01:22] Voice 24: solution, or I shouldn't say easy, one more obvious approach is to focus on secondary

[1:01:30] Voice 24: suites within principal dwelling. And at the last meeting, LDC did look at considering

[1:01:36] Voice 24: secondary suites to be an accessory structure. And that also ran into issue with building

[1:01:45] Voice 24: code too. So it takes a bit more time for us to find a solution to address that issues.

[1:01:51] Voice 24: And we we think secondary suites is more durable is within the existing building footprint.

[1:01:58] Voice 24: We look at water separately. It's not within the secondary suites bylaw, but it's being worked on.

[1:02:05] Voice 24: We are looking at producing a way actually reach out to Swipper and have them to give us some recommendations.

[1:02:15] Voice 24: and there's been a couple of meetings with the SWPA representative and so they are working on

[1:02:24] Voice 24: helping us providing a water map which will be really helpful and also at the same time my

[1:02:30] Voice 24: understanding is that there is the waterproof bylaw in the works and that will address the

[1:02:36] Voice 24: issue as far as volume of water and my understanding is that it should be

[1:02:43] Voice 24: um i guess in the few months three three months or so that we will have some data

[1:02:50] Voice 24: and speaking of data we also need more work to actually compile the data based on the proposed

[1:02:57] Voice 24: bylaw how many units would be proposed so that's why first reading the draft we fully expected

[1:03:03] Voice 24: that there will be changes.

[1:03:04] Voice 24: But the first reading is just to get the dialogue going.

[1:03:09] Voice 24: And in order to amend the OCP,

[1:03:12] Voice 24: we also need to look at amending the map

[1:03:15] Voice 24: relating to secondary suite as well.

[1:03:19] Voice 24: We did work with, again, with technical working group.

[1:03:24] Voice 24: And we, again, it's more impacting

[1:03:27] Voice 24: the CRD inspection section.

[1:03:31] Voice 24: And they don't have a lot of concerns as long as it's, again, meet building code.

[1:03:40] Voice 24: Although, like I said before, as far as having accessory dwelling on an accessory structure, that is going to be an issue that we still have to work on.

[1:03:51] Voice 24: But as far as secondary streets within principal dwelling, CRD is okay with that.

[1:03:56] Voice 24: uh we are also working with the water district same comment as long as it's not utilizing

[1:04:04] Voice 24: existing capacity there is alternative water solution they're okay with it

[1:04:09] Voice 24: we don't know what the solution is we're still working in the background trying to

[1:04:15] Voice 24: get into the more technical side of it the secondary suite as proposed there's certainly

[1:04:22] Voice 24: there are still some issues some challenges a lot of it is not within the local planning

[1:04:26] Voice 24: services and like I said before it's the building code issue that the homeowner will have to

[1:04:33] Voice 24: address with that being said we have started the conversation again with first nations with

[1:04:39] Voice 24: technical group and so there are some dialogue going on and it's still in the works and what

[1:04:47] Voice 24: what we think is important right now at this stage is to have the bylaw out there and start working

[1:04:54] Voice 24: with the community and we already heard some comments and i'm sure once we reach out to the

[1:04:59] Voice 24: community there will be more and that could help us shape and reshape the draft bylaw

[1:05:07] Voice 24: so with that being said one thing i do want to point out um and i i we listed in the staff report

[1:05:15] Voice 24: of the agencies and the organizations and First Nations that we will reach out once it's a formal

[1:05:22] Voice 24: process, once LTC adopt the resolution, we'll start the engagement process. And I do apologize.

[1:05:29] Voice 24: I neglect to offer an option. So if LTC feels that this is not the first reading of the bylaw,

[1:05:40] Voice 24: the draft bylaw assets it's not ready you're not comfortable you do have the option to make

[1:05:45] Voice 24: a resolution to ask for more information before you accept that as a first reading

[1:05:54] Voice 24: and i think that's all i have at this point um and i'll be happy to answer any questions

[1:06:03] Voice 24: regarding the by-law.

[1:06:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Planner Garbo.

[1:06:10] Trustee Luckham: Trustees, any questions?

[1:06:13] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[1:06:16] Trustee Patrick: Mr. Chair, I do have a lot I'd like to say,

[1:06:19] Trustee Patrick: and I would ask that you bear with me,

[1:06:20] Trustee Patrick: and I apologize I'm experiencing some shortness of breath,

[1:06:23] Trustee Patrick: so I will do my best to get through this.

[1:06:29] Trustee Patrick: Do you want to take a break?

[1:06:31] Trustee Patrick: No, no, I'm okay.

[1:06:32] Trustee Patrick: No, this is not going to go away after a break.

[1:06:34] Trustee Patrick: I apologize.

[1:06:36] Trustee Patrick: health issues. And back in November, we did pass the resolution requesting staff to report back

[1:06:44] Trustee Patrick: on potential bylaw amendments to permit accessory dwellings in all zones. And I believe the

[1:06:49] Trustee Patrick: objectives of us asking staff to ponder this action in all zones was to cast a really wide

[1:06:56] Trustee Patrick: net across the island in search of people who are willing to be landlords. We talked about the fact

[1:07:02] Trustee Patrick: that many of our island homes can't accommodate suites. Even where there could be a suite in the

[1:07:08] Trustee Patrick: principal residence, most islanders don't choose this lifestyle to share their home and have to

[1:07:14] Trustee Patrick: tiptoe around and be quiet. We knew that more people would be willing to perhaps rent out a

[1:07:20] Trustee Patrick: suite in an accessory building such as in their garage. In the last couple of weeks, yes, there

[1:07:29] Trustee Patrick: there have been a lot of letters and articles aimed at stopping our responsible work on exploring

[1:07:34] Trustee Patrick: accessory dwellings in all zones, or I should say, you know,

[1:07:37] Trustee Patrick: our search for landlords to provide

[1:07:39] Trustee Patrick: desperately needed rental housing. These letters represent generally one voice, and as an elected

[1:07:47] Trustee Patrick: official, it's my responsibility to recognize that these letters are, that there are a lot of

[1:07:53] Trustee Patrick: of silent voices out there too. I'd be a fool not to recognize the help wanted and sorry we're

[1:08:00] Trustee Patrick: closed signs all around the island. With a severe staff shortage in our hospital, I'm not willing

[1:08:07] Trustee Patrick: to sit by waiting for a sorry we're closed sign on the front of the hospital. I thank everyone

[1:08:14] Trustee Patrick: that's taken the time to write and I think I can alleviate a lot of your concerns. Many have cited

[1:08:21] Trustee Patrick: the background note that's in our OCP that estimates an eventual theoretical population.

[1:08:28] Trustee Patrick: In the staff report, it references this paragraph as only intended as information only.

[1:08:35] Trustee Patrick: Yet, despite being a background note containing some unsupported information, it has become

[1:08:41] Trustee Patrick: gospel. In the 2003 housing report recommendation, which is included in the staff report in Appendix

[1:08:50] Trustee Patrick: for bring forward a thorough analysis of alternative ways of measuring density and

[1:08:57] Trustee Patrick: how to manage any corresponding impacts. Our OCP went through a major update in 2007 without

[1:09:04] Trustee Patrick: addressing this 2003 recommendation. So that recommendation still sits today.

[1:09:11] Trustee Patrick: The staff report includes a definition of density, but it hasn't addressed this 2003

[1:09:19] Trustee Patrick: 2003 recommendation. I believe this definition of density should be removed until we thoroughly

[1:09:27] Trustee Patrick: address the recommendation from the 2003 report on how to measure density. If the background note

[1:09:36] Trustee Patrick: is only just information, perhaps the Housing Action Program would benefit with something

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick: more than just information. How about data? It is best practices for government to perform

[1:09:47] Trustee Patrick: regular development capacity analysis to inform good long-range planning. I think it's time that

[1:09:54] Trustee Patrick: we do that. I spent about 15 minutes recently kind of going through our census data, and that's just

[1:10:02] Trustee Patrick: been recently released. And there's some, you know, I think there's some information that's

[1:10:10] Trustee Patrick: quite interesting in there. We have had about an increase of about 231 dwellings, about 3.8%

[1:10:18] Trustee Patrick: since 2016. We've had a slightly greater increase of who's living in dwellings.

[1:10:28] Trustee Patrick: And it should be important to point out that dwellings in the census are not houses. A dwelling

[1:10:34] Trustee Patrick: could be a sweet cottage, yurt, tiny home, or a sprawling estate home. It's basically a door.

[1:10:42] Trustee Patrick: It could be an apartment, could be anything. Dwelling is a very wide term in the census.

[1:10:48] Trustee Patrick: So we can't assume that those are houses.

[1:10:52] Trustee Patrick: Building permits.

[1:10:53] Trustee Patrick: I looked at building permits over the past five years.

[1:10:56] Trustee Patrick: There's been a total of 82 apartments and 200 houses built.

[1:11:03] Trustee Patrick: So it said 231 in the census, but some of those could be houses that were knocked down and rebuilt.

[1:11:10] Trustee Patrick: Another interesting statistic is the population right now.

[1:11:14] Trustee Patrick: 11,798 divided by occupied dwellings is an average of about 2.27 people per dwelling.

[1:11:26] Trustee Patrick: It's real estate sales. I won't even get into that, but that's a whole bunch more data that

[1:11:31] Trustee Patrick: we need to be looked at. 257 million last year. So we need data. We need data and we need more

[1:11:39] Trustee Patrick: than the census to explain what's happening on the island. We need to know how many of all these

[1:11:46] Trustee Patrick: new people that moved in, how many are houses that were part-time that have been converted

[1:11:50] Trustee Patrick: to full-time, how many full-time rental units have been lost, how many dwellings have been

[1:11:56] Trustee Patrick: converted to short-term, and so on and so on. Now, I want to go back to the OCP. I understand

[1:12:05] Trustee Patrick: that we have to look at the OCP in its entirety rather than clause by clause, and I certainly can

[1:12:10] Trustee Patrick: follow the logic trail that's been laid out in the staff report. I understand, though, it's my role

[1:12:15] Trustee Patrick: as a locally elected official to balance competing OCP objectives. I also understand due to the

[1:12:21] Trustee Patrick: relatively recent Vavilov ruling that I must also explain my reasons. So bear with me. I'm going to

[1:12:29] Trustee Patrick: go through the OCP and try to explain how I got there. So this one policy, the B2121, zoning

[1:12:38] Trustee Patrick: changes should be avoided if they would likely result in larger island population than is expected

[1:12:43] Trustee Patrick: under the development potentials zoned in 2008.

[1:12:46] Trustee Patrick: Exceptions to this policy are to be few and minor

[1:12:49] Trustee Patrick: and only to achieve affordable housing

[1:12:51] Trustee Patrick: or other objectives in this plan.

[1:12:54] Trustee Patrick: Exceptions to this policy are to be few and minor.

[1:12:58] Trustee Patrick: I interpret this statement as to the exceptions

[1:13:02] Trustee Patrick: should be few and minor.

[1:13:04] Trustee Patrick: In other words, we shouldn't make exceptions very often.

[1:13:08] Trustee Patrick: It also says that we can make exceptions

[1:13:10] Trustee Patrick: only to achieve affordable housing

[1:13:13] Trustee Patrick: housing, and other objectives in the OCP. Well, Trust Council recently declared that there's a

[1:13:18] Trustee Patrick: housing and workforce shortage crisis. There's absolutely no doubt that we're experiencing

[1:13:25] Trustee Patrick: crises here on Salt Spring, and making an exception now to that policy is more than justified.

[1:13:35] Trustee Patrick: I also do not look at this crisis as a growth in population. I look at it as we're trying to keep

[1:13:44] Trustee Patrick: a population here, our workforce, a population that's already here. There's a whole lot of other

[1:13:55] Trustee Patrick: OCB objectives that relate to the availability of affordable housing, and they come from the

[1:14:01] Trustee Patrick: overriding principles that give us the guidance and direction. A441, to ensure that our community

[1:14:09] Trustee Patrick: continues to function as an authentic, resident-centered community in the face of

[1:14:15] Trustee Patrick: of internal and external pressures to change and growth

[1:14:19] Trustee Patrick: to ensure that growth, including growth of tourism

[1:14:22] Trustee Patrick: is managed in a way that does not displace or detract

[1:14:25] Trustee Patrick: from our community's important function

[1:14:27] Trustee Patrick: as a home for its residents.

[1:14:30] Trustee Patrick: A443, to recognize the strength and exceptional value

[1:14:33] Trustee Patrick: of the community's diverse human population,

[1:14:37] Trustee Patrick: the population characterized by people of many ages,

[1:14:40] Trustee Patrick: backgrounds, who through choice or circumstances

[1:14:43] Trustee Patrick: have a rich variety of lifestyles and livelihoods

[1:14:46] Trustee Patrick: to recognize the very real and tangible loss

[1:14:49] Trustee Patrick: that is felt in the community

[1:14:52] Trustee Patrick: when this diversity is diminished

[1:14:54] Trustee Patrick: by external pressures and changes.

[1:14:58] Trustee Patrick: I could go on and I'll encourage you to read.

[1:15:00] Trustee Patrick: There's a whole series of those objectives

[1:15:04] Trustee Patrick: about the importance of our community

[1:15:07] Trustee Patrick: and the people that live in them.

[1:15:11] Trustee Patrick: So I'm satisfied that we more than make a test

[1:15:14] Trustee Patrick: of making an exception to that policy

[1:15:18] Trustee Patrick: from the affordable housing needs

[1:15:21] Trustee Patrick: and to the other policies in the OCP.

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick: There's another policy that was right below there,

[1:15:29] Trustee Patrick: policy B2222, there's four twos there.

[1:15:32] Trustee Patrick: The local trust committee in cooperation

[1:15:33] Trustee Patrick: with the capital regional district and the community

[1:15:36] Trustee Patrick: should work to establish a target level

[1:15:38] Trustee Patrick: of the percentage of rented and owned affordable housing

[1:15:41] Trustee Patrick: units in the total housing stock based

[1:15:43] Trustee Patrick: on the projected community housing needs.

[1:15:46] Trustee Patrick: We haven't done that. We should be doing that. I have reviewed lots of OCPs from nearby communities and have observed that our community, our OCP contains an unusual level of detail.

[1:16:01] Trustee Patrick: All communities have complementary documents, just like we do, an OCP and an LUB, and they're meant to complement each other, and the LUB is where the detail was supposed to be found.

[1:16:13] Trustee Patrick: Nonetheless, I think our OCP lends lots of room for interpretation in relation to the types of

[1:16:18] Trustee Patrick: suites. On one hand, it describes flexible units. We know that it says that's the flexible unit one

[1:16:30] Trustee Patrick: says in zones where single family dwellings are presently allowed, the local trust committee

[1:16:34] Trustee Patrick: should consider changing local zones as an alternative to the single family dwelling,

[1:16:40] Trustee Patrick: dwelling a flexible unit dwelling and it goes on to describe what those are um it describes

[1:16:47] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites it says that we again can consider amending the bylaw to allow secondary

[1:16:54] Trustee Patrick: suites and dwellings that goes on to say any initiative to allow suites don't say secondary

[1:17:00] Trustee Patrick: suites just the suites should address all those following criteria well bc housing defines suites

[1:17:07] Trustee Patrick: in different ways. Secondary suite is in or linked to a detached home. It describes garden

[1:17:15] Trustee Patrick: suites as what we call cottages, tiny homes it describes, and it also describes garage suites.

[1:17:26] Trustee Patrick: I think we could definitely argue that a suite in a detached home and a suite in an accessory

[1:17:36] Trustee Patrick: building if there's only one of them is the same thing that the impact on the property

[1:17:42] Trustee Patrick: is nearly the same in souk they they define suite they define two definitions of suites they have a

[1:17:51] Trustee Patrick: secondary suite which is in the detached home and then they have a small suite which for them could

[1:17:56] Trustee Patrick: be either in an attached to an accessory building or a standalone so

[1:18:04] Voice 20: pardon me i

[1:18:08] Trustee Grove: said point of order

[1:18:09] Trustee Grove: order. Oh, yes, sir. Go ahead. May I respectfully ask where we're going with this, Laura, because

[1:18:16] Trustee Grove: I mean, I'm agreement with what you're saying, but I'd like to know where we're headed and

[1:18:21] Trustee Grove: how long before we get there.

[1:18:23] Trustee Patrick: I would like to argue that this bylaw should include

[1:18:25] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites and suites in accessory buildings and that it meets the OCP. It's not, it is a.

[1:18:34] Trustee Patrick: I have no problem

[1:18:36] Trustee Grove: with that but but um I don't need to go through this um paragraph by paragraph

[1:18:40] Trustee Grove: I'm happy um to to consider that and

[1:18:47] Trustee Patrick: so that that is my I'm happy to go through this all but um I've

[1:18:52] Trustee Patrick: got we want to discuss it more I have more information here but I mean that's that is my

[1:18:58] Trustee Patrick: basic premise is I understand why why this only says suites but I think we could instead of you

[1:19:06] Trustee Patrick: know an accessory building we have cottages cottages are different we have a different set

[1:19:12] Trustee Patrick: but if we could have this bylaw also attached to suites and accessory buildings as well as the

[1:19:19] Trustee Patrick: secondary suite which is the detached building um and i would also i i understand the the limitations

[1:19:28] Trustee Patrick: i think we need to be careful and that we need to put more constraints on uh the number that how

[1:19:35] Trustee Patrick: how many should we approve, not just an outright use

[1:19:40] Trustee Patrick: and that we should monitor that use.

[1:19:46] Trustee Patrick: And what else was I going to say?

[1:19:52] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, all that.

[1:19:53] Trustee Luckham: Maybe I just ask on this topic

[1:19:56] Trustee Luckham: and because there's a recommendation in the report,

[1:19:58] Trustee Luckham: are you, I realize the motion is not on the floor,

[1:20:01] Trustee Luckham: but are you speaking in advancing this to first reading

[1:20:06] Trustee Luckham: or are you proposing that we should be amending this

[1:20:09] Trustee Luckham: before we get to that point correct

[1:20:11] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to see it amended before first reading to also one

[1:20:15] Trustee Patrick: you know to remove the density definition i think that's only going to muddle the water in the way

[1:20:19] Trustee Patrick: it's written right now not that figuring out density is important but not in this way and

[1:20:25] Trustee Patrick: that we include um defined suites as being secondary suite or suite in an accessory dwelling

[1:20:34] Trustee Patrick: of accessory building.

[1:20:38] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that may be answers the question

[1:20:40] Trustee Luckham: if I'm not mistaken about where we're going

[1:20:44] Trustee Luckham: and alternative options to the motion

[1:20:49] Trustee Luckham: that's presented as the recommendation.

[1:20:51] Trustee Luckham: That'd be correct and then I'll go to Peter

[1:20:54] Trustee Luckham: if you just answer that.

[1:20:57] Trustee Patrick: Yes, did I, I just wanted to make sure.

[1:21:02] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, so change the definition,

[1:21:04] Trustee Patrick: limit the number that can be approved including providing oversight because that's part of the

[1:21:09] Trustee Patrick: the OCP is about understanding this type of housing what the impacts are and we need to

[1:21:15] Trustee Patrick: monitor and see what it does because right now we still don't have any idea what the previous

[1:21:21] Trustee Patrick: suite did and I

[1:21:24] Trustee Luckham: think we do know that the take-up was very limited is that not correct

[1:21:28] Trustee Luckham: We

[1:21:29] Trustee Patrick: believe, yeah. Anyway, I'll let him talk and I can come back.

[1:21:33] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so Peter, over to you for the remarks. Do

[1:21:38] Trustee Patrick: you have some motion?

[1:21:40] Trustee Luckham: Let me just ask for clarity.

[1:21:41] Trustee Luckham: Laura,

[1:21:42] Trustee Patrick: do you have some motions prepared?

[1:21:44] Trustee Luckham: Well, I could.

[1:21:45] Trustee Grove: Sorry, may

[1:21:46] Trustee Grove: I compete my thought and then we'll...

[1:21:50] Trustee Grove: Yeah, go ahead.

[1:21:51] Trustee Grove: I think that it's probably my turn. I have no problems with what you're suggesting, Laura.

[1:21:57] Trustee Grove: I point out, and I've pointed this out over and over again to members of the community, that this is a first reading. The purpose of a first reading, and if I'm wrong, I'd like Louisa Garbo to correct me, is to get an idea, a motion on the table for discussion by the community, for discussion and input from other agencies.

[1:22:17] Trustee Grove: This is not at the point where we're carving anything in stone.

[1:22:21] Trustee Grove: Everything is up for discussion.

[1:22:23] Trustee Grove: So I'm very open to these ideas.

[1:22:25] Trustee Grove: And I look forward to a hearty and constructive community discussion.

[1:22:32] Trustee Grove: So I'm not too worried about whether what is included and what's not.

[1:22:36] Trustee Grove: And Laura, your points are well made.

[1:22:38] Trustee Grove: And so let's get on with this.

[1:22:41] Trustee Grove: There's no need to drag it out any further.

[1:22:43] Trustee Grove: I'm on side.

[1:22:50] Voice 20: Okay, thank you, Peter.

[1:22:51] Trustee Luckham: so um i guess my question was is whether we're prepared to advance this to first reading

[1:22:58] Trustee Luckham: consider more input from the community as a result of that um or whether or not laura your

[1:23:03] Trustee Luckham: intention at this time is to amend this before it goes to first reading well

[1:23:09] Trustee Patrick: i'm hoping i think the

[1:23:13] Trustee Patrick: community what we're seeing people are getting riled up over something that i think we can

[1:23:18] Trustee Patrick: calm down you know so if we do a first reading and just continue to rile people up then we're

[1:23:24] Trustee Patrick: We're not getting them anywhere closer to that.

[1:23:27] Trustee Patrick: So to me, there's an issue of whether, and I have spoken to several people that, and

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: they generally agree with me that, you know, the overall impact, whether it's suites in

[1:23:39] Trustee Patrick: the house or suites attached to an accessory building, that it's the same thing, that the,

[1:23:46] Trustee Patrick: you know, the impact on the land is the same.

[1:23:51] Trustee Patrick: um i think limiting the number of them because that's you know there's a fear that this is going

[1:23:56] Trustee Patrick: to be outright use all over and i would like to look to staff to ask some questions as to how

[1:24:03] Trustee Patrick: how we can do that um you know i noticed some of the other jurisdictions use the section 219

[1:24:11] Trustee Patrick: covenants um in particular in regards to strata which i know you're not allowed to strata once

[1:24:19] Trustee Patrick: Once you have a suite.

[1:24:22] Trustee Patrick: So I don't know if we really need to have a section two one nine covenant to

[1:24:27] Trustee Patrick: prevent strata, but could we have a section two one nine covenant,

[1:24:30] Trustee Patrick: that it be a rental or made available to rental so that we're

[1:24:36] Trustee Patrick: making sure that these suites aren't just being built or other reasons.

[1:24:44] Trustee Patrick: We're trying, you know,

[1:24:45] Trustee Patrick: the purpose behind this is we're trying to find landlords,

[1:24:48] Trustee Patrick: people that are willing to be landlords and create rental housing that is desperately desperately

[1:24:55] Trustee Patrick: needed so so i'm hearing a

[1:25:00] Trustee Luckham: specific question there about the 219 covenant because um i certainly

[1:25:05] Trustee Luckham: would like to if planning staff have a potential answer for that or a definition of the 219

[1:25:12] Trustee Luckham: covenant because i'm not sure that it would apply here but be happy to hear from planet garbo on

[1:25:17] Trustee Luckham: that uh

[1:25:20] Voice 24: chair we look at a number of options including limits including um uh different

[1:25:29] Voice 24: mechanisms to you know similar to the cottages that was approved before uh so there is a lot

[1:25:38] Voice 24: of work we still have to figure it out and we don't have the answer at this stage

[1:25:45] Trustee Luckham: okay so is

[1:25:48] Trustee Luckham: Is going to first reading then potentially premature

[1:25:51] Trustee Luckham: if there's still some work that needs to be done here?

[1:25:56] Voice 24: And I think, sorry, Chair,

[1:25:58] Voice 24: I believe Stefan can correct me.

[1:26:01] Voice 24: At this stage, it's really just a draft

[1:26:04] Voice 24: and we receive comments from LTC now.

[1:26:08] Voice 24: And when we do the amendment,

[1:26:09] Voice 24: we consider all of the options to redraft.

[1:26:13] Voice 24: And then the draft still have to go through a formal open

[1:26:16] Voice 24: house and public input as well.

[1:26:18] Voice 24: So it's a long process.

[1:26:20] Voice 24: When I say long, we're not going to be able to come up with a solution in a couple of months.

[1:26:32] Voice 25: Okay.

[1:26:32] Voice 25: Stefan, I'll provide you an opportunity to

[1:26:34] Trustee Luckham: make any remarks here, and then we'll go back to Trustee Patrick and see, Trustee Patrick, what you'd like to do at this time.

[1:26:41] Voice 11: Sure.

[1:26:42] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:26:42] Voice 11: Pardon me.

[1:26:43] Voice 11: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:26:43] Voice 11: The question regarding Section 219, that's a restrictive use covenant that gets placed on the land title.

[1:26:50] Voice 11: And that can be a positive or a negative nature. That can sort of guide that the use of land is subject to a condition. So, you know, you can do that in various different ways. You can protect areas. It can restrict the uses of buildings, the use of buildings and other things. Basically, it's kind of a conditional document, how you would do something on condition.

[1:27:15] Voice 11: The question of if it can be used for rental, I don't have a clear answer for that because the province did permit local governments to regulate rental or land tenure, whether it's rental or ownership, through a zoning change, which was a new power given just recently to local governments.

[1:27:36] Voice 11: So is that an appropriate tool in a zoning change or is it appropriate to a 219 covenant? I don't have the precise sensor for you at this moment, but I can go further to suggest that your housing covenants also are the traditional tool embedded within Section 219 covenant to manage tenants or to manage people as opposed to uses.

[1:28:03] Voice 11: I'll leave it at that unless you have further questions about a Section 219 covenant.

[1:28:08] Voice 22: I know. Thank you. Trustee Patrick.

[1:28:13] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, and I think it's, you know, what are the mechanisms? How can we limit it? It's trying to

[1:28:18] Trustee Patrick: cast a wide net. I know I don't want to go through and count, you know, 452 lots over the island that

[1:28:25] Trustee Patrick: this is capable on. That's not what we're trying to find is 452 people that would be willing to do

[1:28:31] Trustee Patrick: this. So it's casting a net. I mean, the reality is the risk is low. We saw that, you know, people

[1:28:39] Trustee Patrick: building suites legal suites because you're going to have to get a building permit you're going to

[1:28:44] Trustee Patrick: have to do this legally is already a pretty strong impediment you know will will there be people that

[1:28:50] Trustee Patrick: you know that take advantage of that yes um so is that you know so how how concerned are we about

[1:29:00] Trustee Patrick: that but i do i do hear people who are very concerned that there are you know that people

[1:29:05] Trustee Patrick: would run away and and abuse an outright use if we said that we're trying to do this so that's where

[1:29:11] Trustee Patrick: trying to come up with a reasonable mechanism to limit it makes makes sense and what are those and

[1:29:17] Trustee Patrick: uh you know i would look to staff to help come up with some ideas of how we can do that i think the

[1:29:24] Trustee Patrick: value there's two things one is the province has looked to local government given us more tools

[1:29:31] Trustee Patrick: that we could bypass the the the public hearing if if we're generally in you know in conformance

[1:29:39] Trustee Patrick: with the OCP um I think it's worth taking some time right now to have some conversations

[1:29:46] Trustee Patrick: with people and put that work into this draft bylaw so that we have less differences I don't

[1:29:53] Trustee Patrick: think we have we have we have some some alarmed concerns we're hearing that but we also have

[1:29:59] Trustee Patrick: Have a great day.

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick: haven't even begun to hear the need side. And I think we could hammer this out a bit closer

[1:30:06] Trustee Patrick: and end up with something that would be more acceptable and not have to go through a whole

[1:30:14] Trustee Patrick: process of people yelling and screaming at each other. And, you know, the typical salt spring

[1:30:19] Trustee Patrick: breaking into two camps and fighting over something. I mean, we're not going to avoid

[1:30:23] Trustee Patrick: that a hundred percent, but I think we can pull it closer. And I don't, you know, and I think it's

[1:30:28] Trustee Patrick: worth trying to do that and i think this version is only going to continue to to excite the voice

[1:30:35] Trustee Patrick: we've already heard from um and then the other voice will pick up telling us what we're missing

[1:30:40] Trustee Patrick: so let's maybe get them in a room together and have that you know that discussion now and i

[1:30:49] Trustee Grove: thought if i made sure that the um our housing action program task force was was charged with

[1:30:56] Trustee Grove: of doing precisely that.

[1:30:57] Trustee Grove: I mean, if you want to postpone it and put it off, that's fine.

[1:31:01] Trustee Grove: But I'm more for moving ahead and getting something to talk about on the table.

[1:31:05] Trustee Grove: And there's always going to be people who disagree, no matter what we do.

[1:31:09] Trustee Grove: But let's open up the conversation.

[1:31:12] Trustee Grove: And right now, we haven't formally asked for that conversation, which is what first reading

[1:31:17] Trustee Grove: does.

[1:31:20] Trustee Luckham: So, Trustee Patrick, so how do you see this path?

[1:31:24] Trustee Luckham: What does this look like to you as an alternative to going to first reading at this time?

[1:31:30] Trustee Luckham: What does that look like?

[1:31:32] Trustee Patrick: Well, the difference would be if we go out to first reading now and to send it out to

[1:31:36] Trustee Patrick: agencies, then we're only looking at secondary suites and primary residence.

[1:31:39] Trustee Patrick: That's what this is written for.

[1:31:41] Trustee Patrick: So it doesn't consider a suite in an accessory building, which may have a completely different

[1:31:47] Trustee Patrick: response from the agency.

[1:31:49] Trustee Patrick: So, you know, I'm looking for trying to do it in as streamlined a way as possible. And I think taking a little bit more time here at this end and to draft a bylaw that gets us closer.

[1:32:06] Trustee Patrick: you know there still will be public process that we have to go through um but in the various

[1:32:13] Trustee Patrick: readings but maybe try to get something a bit closer that at the end of the day may end up

[1:32:20] Trustee Patrick: being a tool that one might provide some rental housing on the island and might not be so feared

[1:32:29] Trustee Patrick: i think we can do both i think we should do both

[1:32:35] Voice 20: so how we

[1:32:37] Voice 25: how are we going to do that

[1:32:39] Voice 25: well

[1:32:39] Trustee Patrick: that's i how do we do we ask for an amendment to this this uh version to come back to us we're

[1:32:49] Trustee Patrick: not going to amend it here we're not going to give them the words of the you know we can't rewrite

[1:32:52] Trustee Patrick: and i don't have

[1:32:53] Trustee Patrick: the answer how do we limit the number how do we use this bylaw to limit the

[1:32:57] Trustee Patrick: number what are those what are those chances right

[1:33:02] Trustee Luckham: and i agree with that wholeheartedly

[1:33:05] Trustee Luckham: because we do need to understand how we're going to manage it um so um there's so there's two

[1:33:14] Trustee Luckham: roads to go here one is to continue down the first reading amendment i would like to have

[1:33:21] Trustee Luckham: some consensus on that because that's a lot of burden for us all to carry but um and clarity

[1:33:27] Trustee Luckham: is a good idea um if we're not clear then it's worthy getting to a place where we are clear

[1:33:35] Trustee Luckham: because indeed going to first reading I think is an important thing as Peter's saying to open up

[1:33:41] Trustee Luckham: the discussion broadly to seek all that input that we want but that said we don't want to go

[1:33:47] Trustee Luckham: through a community process more than once either lest we have to and if this is not what we think

[1:33:55] Trustee Luckham: is the right tool that the LTC doesn't that there are some amendments that seem apparent that are

[1:34:04] Trustee Luckham: are necessary and some clarity that's necessary um i would say we should be considering that but

[1:34:09] Trustee Luckham: i um i if we're putting off first reading i want to know that we're actually seeking something

[1:34:15] Trustee Luckham: specific so that we can come back to first reading and i see peter nodding there so trustee patrick

[1:34:23] Trustee Luckham: you have a motion that you would like to offer and then the other thing is that over time here

[1:34:28] Trustee Luckham: i think it would be great if you could share your speaking notes you had there not only with us but

[1:34:33] Trustee Luckham: but with the community so that we can understand

[1:34:34] Trustee Luckham: that train of thought,

[1:34:35] Trustee Luckham: because there was an awful lot of good information there

[1:34:38] Trustee Luckham: that you shared with us,

[1:34:39] Trustee Luckham: a little hard to absorb all at once.

[1:34:42] Trustee Patrick: No, I'll be happy to spend more time with it.

[1:34:45] Trustee Patrick: Already spent a lot.

[1:34:47] Trustee Patrick: I guess I'd look to staff at what level of direction

[1:34:50] Trustee Patrick: they would want to be able to...

[1:34:55] Trustee Luckham: So Regional Planning Manager Cermak,

[1:34:57] Trustee Luckham: how would you see this unfolding from your perspective?

[1:35:02] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:35:03] Voice 11: I think it's a fantastic opening discussion.

[1:35:05] Voice 11: I think that's precisely what forwarding this work is meant to do.

[1:35:09] Voice 11: So delighted to hear it.

[1:35:11] Voice 11: I think for staff, you know, we've drafted a bylaw based on our engagement with the Housing Task Force and previous discussions with the LDC.

[1:35:21] Voice 11: What I heard from this discussion were a few key points, and I don't want to list them all out of worrying I'm going to miss a few.

[1:35:27] Voice 11: But for example, to redraft the bylaw to ensure accessory dwelling units include, you know, dwelling units in accessory structures, how to limit those numbers and how to address concerns perhaps raised by those who have been sent in correspondence, something to that effect.

[1:35:55] Voice 11: So, long story short, I guess we'd love some clear direction if you want staff to specifically address the points that Trustee Patrick made about accessory dwelling units not in a principal dwelling unit.

[1:36:09] Voice 11: You know, that rationale would be maybe supportive to forward to the trustees.

[1:36:14] Voice 11: But basically, any clear direction you want us to take, it'd be nice to just bullet them if you can and say amend the bylaw in such and such a way.

[1:36:23] Voice 11: So I don't think that it's such a robust general discussion.

[1:36:26] Voice 11: It'd be really hard to come back with a robust discussion bylaw.

[1:36:30] Voice 11: It'd be nice to have a few key points.

[1:36:32] Voice 11: And, you know, we don't have to get it right the first time.

[1:36:33] Voice 11: Maybe if you can only want to focus on one or two key points,

[1:36:36] Voice 11: and then we can bring it back and do this again, make it iterative.

[1:36:40] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, that could take a lot of time.

[1:36:43] Trustee Luckham: But I thank you actually for pointing out like the obvious key point here,

[1:36:47] Trustee Luckham: which is a change of intent, I'm going to say,

[1:36:51] Trustee Luckham: is the inclusion of secondary suites in accessory buildings.

[1:36:57] Trustee Luckham: And so, indeed, we'd want to have that in there

[1:36:59] Trustee Luckham: because if we go to first reading now

[1:37:03] Trustee Luckham: and then we decide we want to add these things,

[1:37:06] Trustee Luckham: then ultimately we would end up rescinding first reading

[1:37:10] Trustee Luckham: and starting afresh rather than just going to second reading

[1:37:14] Trustee Luckham: because the intent would be perhaps significantly different

[1:37:18] Trustee Luckham: and might draw a different audience of attention to ourselves,

[1:37:20] Trustee Luckham: else but maybe not so laura patrick on that advice from the regional planning manager what would you

[1:37:25] Trustee Luckham: like to do close

[1:37:26] Trustee Patrick: but i did want to talk about one more thing before we go and that is i i understand

[1:37:32] Trustee Patrick: why they recommended removing it from the watershed um i mean let's let's take islets

[1:37:38] Trustee Patrick: off the table definitely islets we're not talking about islets you know so exceptions

[1:37:43] Trustee Patrick: shouldn't be residential islet zones anyway but that's that's a whole nother debate for another

[1:37:49] Trustee Patrick: other day um in the ocp it says that you could we could consider the flexible housing units

[1:37:57] Trustee Patrick: in the uh in the watershed um you know and or we shouldn't put them in the watershed it said

[1:38:05] Trustee Patrick: unless they're shown to not increase population or sewage generation over that of an expected

[1:38:11] Trustee Patrick: single family dwelling and one of the challenges and i hate to pose so many challenges on you staff

[1:38:19] Trustee Patrick: but you are brilliant and smart and can get us from a to b um there are lots in the watershed

[1:38:27] Trustee Patrick: that would be appropriate to have a suite while there would be lots in just a residential zone

[1:38:32] Trustee Patrick: that it wouldn't be you know because it's sort of the you know each lot has its characteristics

[1:38:37] Trustee Patrick: its size its ability the existing house is either tiny or huge you know so there's all

[1:38:43] Trustee Patrick: these different ranges so it's are we able to make you know the the the conditions for these suites

[1:38:55] Trustee Patrick: be such that you know instead of eliminating like all of the upland and all of the um watershed um

[1:39:08] Trustee Patrick: because like i said it's it's kind of each lot is its own characteristic that it should meet

[1:39:14] Trustee Patrick: so if we make it more dependent on the you know the water you know that if it's not any larger

[1:39:20] Trustee Patrick: than a expected single family home are

[1:39:27] Voice 11: you asking for staff's opinion i'm just wondering well i'm

[1:39:30] Trustee Patrick: just saying is that possible is that you know instead of could we remove the restriction on

[1:39:35] Trustee Patrick: uplands and watersheds but replace it with within conditions within the bylaw i

[1:39:43] Voice 11: think as you say

[1:39:44] Voice 11: trustee Patrick there's competing objectives and policies I think that's a hard question to answer

[1:39:50] Voice 11: without a robust analysis I can tell you having spoken to the original sort of author of the OCP

[1:39:56] Voice 11: the way it's constructed that the OCP and the land use bylaw were based on a principle of sort

[1:40:03] Voice 11: of preserving the uplands because of the cumulative effects that go down in you know into the

[1:40:10] Voice 11: downstream and that's where the low to the low density units and thresholds are baked into the

[1:40:18] Voice 11: upper areas so i the whole i would argue that the whole land use designation formulation of the

[1:40:25] Voice 11: official community plan is based on a certain um principle and policy and i think um that's

[1:40:32] Voice 11: the proposal of increasing densities there however wherever they be whether in secondary suites or

[1:40:37] Voice 11: or accessory dwelling units or however may challenge that.

[1:40:41] Voice 11: However, I don't disagree

[1:40:42] Voice 11: that there's competing objectives

[1:40:45] Voice 11: and there could be evidence that there's minimal

[1:40:49] Voice 11: if there's certain conditions put in place.

[1:40:51] Voice 11: And so if the LTC wants us to explore that,

[1:40:53] Voice 11: we'd be more than happy to do so.

[1:40:56] Voice 11: You know, and we'll come back

[1:40:57] Voice 11: and see what the analysis reveals.

[1:41:00] Trustee Patrick: Well, I'd be curious about that

[1:41:01] Trustee Patrick: because I look at like in Colwood,

[1:41:05] Trustee Patrick: they go right out and say that, you know,

[1:41:07] Trustee Patrick: a suites secondary suites and accessory dwelling units shall not be included in the calculation of

[1:41:13] Trustee Patrick: dwelling unit density another area said a principal residence and an accessory dwelling

[1:41:21] Trustee Patrick: dwelling unit constitute a single dwelling unit um so that's the you know i look at i'm in the

[1:41:30] Trustee Patrick: uplands and i've got an 1800 square foot house with two bedrooms and two bathrooms if i were to

[1:41:36] Trustee Patrick: put a suite in a big one if i even put a big suite with two bedrooms and one bathroom now i'm

[1:41:41] Trustee Patrick: a four bedroom three bathroom house and i am i really that out of sync with the principles of

[1:41:50] Trustee Patrick: maintaining a low density in the uplands and and rule so that's i i know this is challenging

[1:41:58] Trustee Patrick: challenging um and i think you know i'm just posing how could we honor the intent of not

[1:42:09] Trustee Patrick: you know building and making more impact i'm going to use the word impact density to me we've got to

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick: figure this out but more impact in the uplands and waterland you know is there a way we could

[1:42:21] Trustee Patrick: manage that by you know also managing intent because like so we're trying to find landlords

[1:42:25] Trustee Patrick: landlords and responsible landlords not just you know we're trying to find people who want to do

[1:42:31] Trustee Patrick: the right thing and if we had the conditions in the in this in the bylaws that kind of gave that

[1:42:40] Trustee Patrick: flexibility yet also gave that control so that we didn't have you

[1:42:48] Voice 20: know abuse and

[1:42:51] Trustee Patrick: and and like I said

[1:42:52] Trustee Patrick: and did not just add density we're just kind of using unused space

[1:42:57] Voice 20: anyway challenging see

[1:43:03] Voice 20: i don't want your job to be boring so um do

[1:43:10] Trustee Luckham: we simply need to bring this back to a future meeting

[1:43:13] Trustee Luckham: period or do we have a suggestion for some work for staff to do to bring this back with amendments

[1:43:21] Trustee Luckham: amendments. I'm not feeling like we're getting to a conclusion here. There's a big, deep conversation

[1:43:27] Trustee Luckham: here. And I would just say that we live on, you know, you live, I don't live here. You guys live

[1:43:33] Trustee Luckham: on an island, which is different than Colwood. I'll just say that, that, that objectives are

[1:43:39] Trustee Luckham: different. And that's what we need to come to grips with, I think here. But

[1:43:44] Trustee Patrick: I wasn't saying

[1:43:45] Trustee Patrick: it was the same as Colwood. I just noticed there's multiple places that don't count these as

[1:43:50] Trustee Patrick: densities they look they use

[1:43:52] Trustee Patrick: density differently and i think it's you know when we look at what's

[1:43:56] Trustee Patrick: reasonable is the the use on the property versus you know if i had 20 bedrooms and 20 yeah i could

[1:44:06] Trustee Patrick: build a hundred thousand square foot house on my property today legally but i have an 1800 square

[1:44:13] Trustee Patrick: square foot. So let's be reasonable is what we're trying to be is recognizing reason.

[1:44:20] Trustee Luckham: Yep. No, I

[1:44:22] Trustee Luckham: only say that because there are different objectives, but that's fine. What

[1:44:26] Trustee Luckham: do we want to do today?

[1:44:27] Trustee Grove: If I may, I don't think we should spend any more time on it right now.

[1:44:32] Trustee Grove: It should be sent back to the committee. We've put together the committee who have meant to be

[1:44:36] Trustee Grove: debating these issues and getting community input and thoughts on the subject. I think there's

[1:44:41] Trustee Grove: There's plenty of material which has been provided to hear back from them and from our staff.

[1:44:47] Trustee Grove: But right now, I don't see any benefit in going on with this any further.

[1:44:57] Trustee Patrick: Well, do we want to provide some direction?

[1:45:00] Trustee Patrick: We've had a conversation.

[1:45:02] Trustee Patrick: I think I'm seeing a heads up for directions.

[1:45:04] Trustee Luckham: I'm trying to want to provide some direction, and I'm looking to you, Laura, for that direction.

[1:45:11] Trustee Luckham: And

[1:45:11] Trustee Grove: that would be if the other trustee might bring some direction, then so be it.

[1:45:16] Trustee Grove: but I thought we'd asked for that

[1:45:17] Trustee Grove: and we didn't seem to be getting in that direction.

[1:45:19] Trustee Patrick: All right, I can make an attempt at something.

[1:45:22] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:45:23] Trustee Grove: I

[1:45:23] Trustee Patrick: can speak slowly.

[1:45:24] Trustee Patrick: So for Sarah, hang in there, Sarah.

[1:45:28] Trustee Patrick: All right, so I'll move that the local trust committee

[1:45:31] Trustee Patrick: direct staff to amend draft by law 528

[1:45:38] Trustee Patrick: by removing the definition of density,

[1:45:44] Trustee Patrick: adding a new definition for suites

[1:45:49] Voice 20: in combination with an accessory building permitting

[1:45:58] Trustee Patrick: both kinds of sweets

[1:46:02] Trustee Patrick: uh i guess in in permitting all both kinds of sweets in all zones except for islets

[1:46:17] Trustee Patrick: subject to supply of well potable but it's that

[1:46:22] Trustee Patrick: gets tricky just i'll leave it i won't put that

[1:46:25] Trustee Patrick: that in there, just subject to both kinds of suites

[1:46:28] Trustee Patrick: in all zones, except islets.

[1:46:32] Trustee Patrick: And to phase these in through limiting the number.

[1:46:50] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that sounds like you ended there

[1:46:53] Trustee Luckham: and I'll turn to Sarah when you got that prepared,

[1:46:57] Trustee Luckham: if you could get that up on our screen,

[1:46:59] Trustee Luckham: then we can be sure what it is that,

[1:47:03] Trustee Luckham: and Laura can be sure that that's her intent.

[1:47:05] Trustee Luckham: I

[1:47:24] Voice 22: want to thank you, Laura,

[1:47:25] Voice 22: that i think captures the direction that's

[1:47:48] Voice 20: what i had and

[1:47:52] Trustee Patrick: i'd be open to any other thing i we missed

[1:47:54] Trustee Patrick: in conversation there well

[1:47:58] Trustee Luckham: that looks pretty good so if you chair

[1:48:01] Voice 24: yes

[1:48:01] Trustee Luckham: go ahead um

[1:48:03] Voice 24: if i may suggest

[1:48:05] Voice 24: perhaps excuse me right at the last sentence where the cursor is with the word and perhaps

[1:48:14] Voice 24: perhaps say something to the effect that staff to explore conditions, appropriate conditions and restrictions, such as whatever, that's the last part to face.

[1:48:36] Trustee Luckham: Limiting the number of units.

[1:48:39] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I think you'd have to, oops, it disappeared.

[1:48:43] Trustee Patrick: Where did that go?

[1:48:44] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick: and staff to explore appropriate conditions and restrictions to phase so we don't need the such as

[1:48:51] Trustee Patrick: do you just to phase phase them in i

[1:48:56] Voice 24: was just thinking it's possible that it's beyond limiting

[1:49:00] Voice 24: the number that might be out of mechanism there's

[1:49:03] Trustee Patrick: other things like the sewer the water and all

[1:49:05] Trustee Patrick: those other things and that's what i didn't want to start listing what are the right there are

[1:49:09] Trustee Patrick: those things so um so

[1:49:11] Voice 24: that's why i thought limiting the number was just one mechanism

[1:49:15] Voice 24: There might be other that we can explore.

[1:49:18] Trustee Patrick: True.

[1:49:19] Trustee Patrick: I got you.

[1:49:25] Trustee Grove: You don't need to put in by limiting the number, we're just exploring appropriate conditions

[1:49:30] Trustee Grove: and restrictions, period.

[1:49:32] Voice 20: Fair enough.

[1:49:40] Trustee Patrick: That's true.

[1:49:40] Trustee Patrick: You're going to have to explore restrictions to phase in and manage impacts.

[1:49:47] Trustee Patrick: Is that fair?

[1:49:49] Trustee Patrick: Because that would be

[1:49:50] Trustee Patrick: water, sewer, and all those things.

[1:49:52] Trustee Patrick: would that work louisa that

[1:49:53] Voice 25: too is fair you

[1:49:54] Voice 24: may want to delete the word these face these yeah

[1:49:58] Trustee Patrick: there you go phase phase in and manage impacts ah see group group drafting yeah stephan samar

[1:50:06] Trustee Grove: has his hand up step on mr thank you

[1:50:09] Voice 11: very much i just have a question the um the bylaw the proposed

[1:50:15] Voice 11: bylaw 528 has a definition for accessory dwelling unit and a separate definition for accessory

[1:50:21] Voice 11: accessory dwelling unit for me for a secondary suite so a secondary suite was um like a a sub

[1:50:29] Voice 11: clause of accessory dwelling unit so maybe i should read it because i i feel like we have

[1:50:35] Voice 11: that definition that you're asking for in your second bullet added new definition of suites in

[1:50:40] Voice 11: combination with accessory building when i read the definition i'll read it out just for the

[1:50:45] Voice 11: benefit of the record it says accessory dwelling unit means a dwelling unit accessory to a single

[1:50:51] Voice 11: family dwelling unit intended as an independent and separate unit which contains its own sleeping

[1:50:57] Voice 11: living cooking and sanitary facilities and its own independent entrance accessory dwellings may

[1:51:03] Voice 11: be contained within the principal single family dwelling dwelling unit or located in a detached

[1:51:09] Voice 11: accessory structure so um i don't know it feels like that definition is provided unless you would

[1:51:16] Voice 11: like

[1:51:16] Voice 20: a little bit more clarity on that i

[1:51:24] Trustee Patrick: mean what what i thought you were doing i was not asking i

[1:51:28] Trustee Patrick: just i assumed that was going to remain and i thought you had now defined accessory dwelling

[1:51:33] Trustee Patrick: unit secondary suite as a separate definition and that i would assume we'd have an accessory

[1:51:38] Trustee Patrick: dwelling unit cottage which is in our other thing and an accessory dwelling

[1:51:42] Trustee Patrick: unit suite in a

[1:51:44] Trustee Patrick: accessory building or whatever we want to call it soup calls them small suites but whatever

[1:51:49] Trustee Patrick: some name that defines that it's an accessory building um so that's how i was looking at this

[1:51:55] Trustee Patrick: bylaw how i read it

[1:51:56] Voice 20: okay well it's a

[1:51:58] Trustee Patrick: category and then some so was i wrong uh

[1:52:04] Voice 11: partially personally

[1:52:05] Voice 11: not i mean it's hard to know where we were going it depended on the ltc i think the intention was

[1:52:10] Voice 11: to leave that definition as broad as possible as long as possible yeah

[1:52:14] Trustee Patrick: so but then then we'd

[1:52:18] Trustee Patrick: have to add though still a definition of an ex because secondary suite is defined so we need to

[1:52:24] Trustee Patrick: add a definition of a secondary suite in a accessory building well

[1:52:30] Voice 11: i mean you or you could

[1:52:31] Voice 11: do the flip and just remove the definition provided for secondary suite but it

[1:52:36] Trustee Patrick: gets messy

[1:52:38] Trustee Patrick: with cottages that's that was my challenge i've spent hours plotting through this and

[1:52:43] Trustee Patrick: we either go whole hog and put cottages in here too and i thought that was going too far

[1:52:50] Voice 25: so based on

[1:52:51] Trustee Luckham: the discussion we're having here um and i'm we're trying to reflect on the time that's

[1:52:57] Trustee Luckham: remaining in this morning session um is there adequate direction in this motion as presented

[1:53:02] Trustee Luckham: stefan to capture all of these little tendrils of conversation here i

[1:53:08] Voice 11: think mr chair that there's

[1:53:10] Voice 11: certainly enough for work to to report back to the ltc with that direction right

[1:53:14] Trustee Luckham: so are you satisfied

[1:53:16] Trustee Luckham: with this motion trustee patrick i

[1:53:19] Trustee Patrick: think so i i would encourage staff like as to you know we're

[1:53:24] Trustee Patrick: going to have to have some bring some groups of people together and work the next draft too so

[1:53:29] Trustee Patrick: that we kind of cover some of these broader issues okay

[1:53:34] Trustee Luckham: and is that understood um regional

[1:53:38] Trustee Luckham: plan and manager sermac well

[1:53:41] Voice 11: certainly it's understood um not entirely sure where that

[1:53:46] Voice 11: that fits sort of in the engagement plan,

[1:53:48] Voice 11: the mechanism of doing so,

[1:53:50] Voice 11: whom we're contacting specifically,

[1:53:52] Voice 11: if there is a specific group of people to contact,

[1:53:55] Voice 11: or if it's facilitated

[1:53:56] Voice 11: through the Housing Action Program Task Force,

[1:53:59] Voice 11: but willing to have those conversations

[1:54:01] Voice 11: outside of this meeting

[1:54:02] Voice 11: and to investigate further as needed

[1:54:04] Voice 11: and happy to take feedback from trustees

[1:54:06] Voice 11: as they wish to provide it,

[1:54:07] Voice 11: as well as from the Housing Action Program Task Force.

[1:54:10] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[1:54:11] Trustee Luckham: I'm prepared to believe it is the Housing Action Task Force,

[1:54:14] Trustee Luckham: But I would leave that up for discussion outside of this meeting.

[1:54:18] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for saying that.

[1:54:20] Trustee Luckham: So then if you're satisfied with the motion, Trustee Patrick, I'll ask Trustee Grove, are you prepared to second this motion?

[1:54:32] Trustee Luckham: And I don't see you on my screen.

[1:54:33] Trustee Luckham: That

[1:54:34] Trustee Grove: was a yes and a wave.

[1:54:35] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[1:54:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:54:36] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[1:54:37] Trustee Luckham: I have to bring you up on my screen here because I don't see you anymore on that screen.

[1:54:40] Trustee Luckham: and maybe if we stop sharing Sarah's screen now,

[1:54:47] Trustee Luckham: then that's perfect.

[1:54:49] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then is there any further discussion?

[1:54:53] Trustee Luckham: Then I'll call for the vote on the motion.

[1:54:55] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[1:54:56] Trustee Luckham: So that carries.

[1:54:58] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Laura, for that work

[1:55:01] Trustee Luckham: and everybody for the discussion.

[1:55:04] Trustee Luckham: And I think that actually shortcuts us

[1:55:08] Trustee Luckham: to the end of this section if i'm not

[1:55:11] Trustee Luckham: mistaken go ahead sure i was going to ask though do

[1:55:16] Trustee Patrick: we need to

[1:55:17] Trustee Patrick: is it part of the is for the the housing action program are they working on creating that data

[1:55:27] Trustee Patrick: to to look at sort of the uh capacity questions and things is is that one of the tasks that are

[1:55:33] Trustee Patrick: being considered Anna

[1:55:37] Trustee Luckham: Garbo chair

[1:55:39] Voice 24: it is not in their terms of reference I'm not sure they're

[1:55:46] Voice 24: they're finalizing their strategic priorities matrix it may be one of the recommendation

[1:55:54] Voice 24: come out of it is to have staff look into those I guess data analysis okay

[1:56:06] Trustee Luckham: so I guess that will

[1:56:08] Trustee Luckham: will come out of some further evaluation of this direction.

[1:56:14] Trustee Luckham: So is there anything further

[1:56:16] Trustee Luckham: that we need to do on this item?

[1:56:18] Voice 24: So, Chair.

[1:56:20] Trustee Luckham: Housing Action Program, go ahead.

[1:56:22] Voice 24: If I may, I guess the question is it's kind of,

[1:56:28] Voice 24: sorry, that's a little bit off topic, but it's not quite.

[1:56:31] Voice 24: We still need to conduct a public engagement process

[1:56:35] Voice 24: and we have already updated our webpage

[1:56:38] Voice 24: page to to kind of lead into the ocp and and just get some very high level survey we're going to

[1:56:46] Voice 24: send a postcard to let people know to check our project web page so that they understand what is

[1:56:51] Voice 24: going on and welcome questions but one thing is we originally submitted a request to bring in a

[1:56:59] Voice 24: co-op student but that didn't pan out so we do have unspent funding and given the importance of

[1:57:06] Voice 24: this project we would like to ask ltc to support us to use the unspent funding to bring in a

[1:57:13] Voice 24: consultant to do proper public engagement that could include a much more well draft survey

[1:57:22] Voice 24: versus the one that we've been trying to put together and or any things that the consultant can

[1:57:29] Voice 24: and can comment on the engagement plan

[1:57:32] Voice 24: that we put together for the project.

[1:57:35] Voice 24: And if LTC feel that is something to support,

[1:57:39] Voice 24: to allow us to allocate funding within the approved budget,

[1:57:43] Voice 24: then we would like to ask for a resolution for that.

[1:57:47] Trustee Luckham: Right, so I can't help but wonder,

[1:57:50] Trustee Luckham: having not got to first reading whether or not

[1:57:53] Trustee Luckham: that's a bit of a cart before the horse situation.

[1:57:57] Trustee Luckham: situation um so uh go to trustee patrick and look for rpm sir max advice on that

[1:58:05] Trustee Patrick: we need to have some some conversation in the community and understand what's happening and

[1:58:11] Trustee Patrick: and and the impact and and and engage our citizens to be part of that solution and work on it so

[1:58:17] Trustee Patrick: i think it is important to have you know to move that conversation it's hard to say there there

[1:58:22] Trustee Patrick: may be our people who are living here that don't recognize we have a problem but i think it's

[1:58:27] Trustee Patrick: getting fewer and fewer and it's you know how to make sure that we're coming up with solutions that

[1:58:33] Trustee Patrick: they feel good about and that they think will work so

[1:58:39] Trustee Luckham: are you endorsing yes a motion to start a

[1:58:44] Trustee Patrick: communications

[1:58:44] Trustee Luckham: separate from going into communications respecting first reading

[1:58:51] Trustee Patrick: yeah though this is yeah in general to housing because i thought we had an engagement pro

[1:58:55] Trustee Patrick: so what are you looking for louisa exactly what what motion are you looking for

[1:59:00] Voice 24: and the

[1:59:01] Trustee Patrick: third one is it the third one okay the third one

[1:59:06] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:59:07] Trustee Luckham: sorry the last one in that section

[1:59:09] Trustee Luckham: i don't have that agenda in front of me at the moment

[1:59:12] Trustee Patrick: nope oh yeah

[1:59:14] Trustee Luckham: item number five no that's

[1:59:17] Trustee Patrick: not it we

[1:59:18] Voice 24: we don't have that resolution it's it's something that we thought we really just

[1:59:24] Voice 24: thought about the importance that we need to ask for a resolution to do

[1:59:28] Voice 24: that if

[1:59:29] Trustee Grove: if i may when it

[1:59:30] Trustee Grove: comes to it i will certainly support this but it seems to me that we are a bit cut for the horses

[1:59:34] Trustee Grove: we don't really have anything to tell people until we have a first reading so i would i would

[1:59:39] Trustee Grove: encourage us

[1:59:40] Voice 24: sorry sorry chair if i may uh clarify it's not relating to first

[1:59:46] Voice 24: reading of the bylaw this is relating to housing action program

[1:59:53] Voice 24: we want

[1:59:54] Voice 24: to implement the engagement plan that is already in place but we haven't have the resource

[2:00:00] Voice 24: in support at this point so we think uh and given the importance of communicate to the

[2:00:06] Voice 24: community appropriately with the technology and resources available that's why we think

[2:00:14] Voice 24: we would like to use the unspent portion in the budget rather than bring in a co-op student

[2:00:20] Voice 24: which originally including doing some public engagement but instead of relying for a co-op

[2:00:27] Voice 24: student to do that, we think we should turn to a professional consultant. So that's why I kind of

[2:00:33] Voice 24: apologize for this being the last minute, but we want

[2:00:35] Voice 24: to bring it to you at the end of this

[2:00:38] Voice 24: item to see if you can approve a resolution.

[2:00:43] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I guess I have a question about how much

[2:00:47] Trustee Luckham: money we're talking about and how is that going to align with the broader work, especially seeing

[2:00:54] Trustee Luckham: as we haven't had a chance to reflect on that with the materials presented to us here, I think.

[2:00:59] Trustee Luckham: Mayor Mrakas, regional planners your manager sir Mac sure,

[2:01:02] Voice 11: thank you, Mr chair i'll remind the LTC that you have approved an engagement was called foundations document it's called now oh my gosh, but it includes a rough engagement plan or it's a framework in a plan, and so the request is before you, because, as planner garbo notes, our.

[2:01:25] Voice 11: Mayor Mrakas, The approved budget for this fiscal.

[2:01:29] Voice 11: We had staffing challenges, honestly, in head office that to get this student on staff on time just didn't happen.

[2:01:39] Voice 11: And that was more due to an administrative issue and PSA and other things like that.

[2:01:44] Voice 11: So now we're left with a bit of a budget of, I believe, maybe Louisa can correct me if I'm wrong,

[2:01:51] Trustee Luckham: but I believe it's about $20,000.

[2:01:53] Voice 11: You

[2:01:53] Trustee Luckham: know something? I want to interrupt this whole process because we're running out of time.

[2:01:57] Trustee Luckham: we've got

[2:01:58] Trustee Luckham: noon begins our afternoon session we've got applicants who want to come to us

[2:02:03] Trustee Luckham: i would suggest

[2:02:04] Trustee Luckham: let's bring this back at the new business section because it kind of sounds

[2:02:07] Trustee Luckham: kind of newish to me anyway and and then perhaps you might circulate something to us that would

[2:02:13] Trustee Luckham: help us with that understanding what the ask is and then we can discuss that later in the meeting

[2:02:20] Trustee Luckham: is that all right every to the ltc and because i want to do the in-camera piece now and then i want

[2:02:27] Trustee Luckham: to give you 15 minutes of break before we come back to greet the public and the applicants

[2:02:34] Trustee Luckham: is that all right okay and that also means by the way that we're going to move draft byline

[2:02:41] Trustee Luckham: number five to six also to after public engagement and applicants and we'll pick that up at the end

[2:02:52] Trustee Luckham: okay no any concerns there right so let's get a motion to move in camera thank you rob for

[2:02:59] Trustee Luckham: coming on screen there and you'll be assisting us with shutting down the meeting

[2:03:02] Trustee Luckham: chair

[2:03:03] Voice 29: luckham there's just one item um and just for clarity ronan heinzman the chair of the task

[2:03:11] Voice 29: force joined late and during all of the housing discussion he he's i believe been present and

[2:03:19] Voice 29: And was wondering if there would be time, and I understand there may not be time, but would we say that he could speak to the LTC at, you know, before the delegations, you know, after lunch, if that suits his timing?

[2:03:36] Trustee Luckham: I think not.

[2:03:38] Voice 29: Okay.

[2:03:38] Trustee Luckham: We simply don't have enough time.

[2:03:40] Trustee Luckham: And I want to respect the delegations.

[2:03:42] Trustee Luckham: And I apologize to Ronan.

[2:03:47] Trustee Luckham: and admittedly we'd be shorter of time than we are now if he'd had an opportunity earlier but

[2:03:52] Trustee Luckham: ideally at the time was available earlier but we certainly would be more than happy to hear to him

[2:03:57] Trustee Luckham: hear from him after when we're trying to catch up assuming we can catch up today so i'd like to go

[2:04:04] Trustee Luckham: in camera so if i can get a motion to that effect you'll have to turn your microphone on there peter

[2:04:13] Trustee Luckham: or something i

[2:04:14] Trustee Grove: move that uh salts me on a local trust committee closed this meeting to the public

[2:04:18] Trustee Grove: subject community charter section 91 a personal information about an identifiable individual who

[2:04:24] Trustee Grove: holds or is being considered for a position as an officer employee or agent of the municipality

[2:04:29] Trustee Grove: or another position appointed by the municipality if the receipt of advice that is subject to

[2:04:36] Trustee Grove: solicitor privilege including communications necessary for that purpose and that staff be

[2:04:41] Trustee Grove: invited to remain okay

[2:04:43] Trustee Luckham: seconded by trustee patrick thank you i'm going to call for the vote as simple

[2:04:48] Trustee Luckham: as that all those in favor that carries and so uh rob if you don't mind let's shut down the

[2:04:55] Trustee Luckham: streaming and the recording and we'll go to the in-camera portion of the agenda please note

[2:05:01] Voice 29: attendees if you log out on your own it will be able to you'll you'll be more likely to return

[2:05:07] Voice 29: upon when we emerge from in-camera.

[2:05:10] Voice 29: So if you could begin on logging out,

[2:05:12] Voice 29: that would be greatly appreciated.

[2:05:14] Trustee Luckham: Your webinar piece, oh, that we recorded.

[2:05:17] Trustee Luckham: So maybe we're all online.

[2:05:18] Trustee Luckham: So we've returned from the in-camera meeting

[2:05:22] Trustee Luckham: and I'd like to rise and report that we received information

[2:05:27] Trustee Luckham: and the minutes of the last in-camera meeting were adopted

[2:05:31] Trustee Luckham: and that we are not appointing new members

[2:05:34] Trustee Luckham: to the housing, sorry,

[2:05:39] Trustee Luckham: the Ganges Village Planning Task Force at this time

[2:05:43] Trustee Luckham: and reconsidering the makeup of that,

[2:05:45] Trustee Luckham: but we'll be making appointments in the near future.

[2:05:47] Trustee Luckham: And so we'll just leave that at that.

[2:05:49] Trustee Luckham: And now I'm going to ask for us to have a break.

[2:05:52] Trustee Luckham: And my clock tells me we've got 12 minutes

[2:05:55] Trustee Luckham: before we need to return to expect members of the public

[2:05:59] Trustee Luckham: can provide our reporting out.

[2:06:01] Trustee Luckham: So sorry for the pressure,

[2:06:03] Trustee Luckham: sure but I do like to try and keep us on time with the public and applicants and we've got quite a

[2:06:09] Trustee Luckham: bit of conversation ahead of us so let us recess and Rob you'll put that notice up we'll be

[2:06:14] Trustee Luckham: returning at 12 o'clock awesome thank you for your support Rob and everybody else so can I just turn

[2:06:23] Trustee Luckham: the video camera off here oh yes of course I can I've got it on my desktop there you go there you

[2:06:30] Trustee Luckham: are i'm offline um can you still hear me rob no he's gone mute i'm

[2:06:47] Voice 29: still here i i muted you

[2:06:49] Voice 29: chair luckham so you're oh so i thank

[2:07:00] Voice 25: you have

[2:07:02] Voice 29: a good lunch good luck

[2:19:26] Voice 22: um so do you folks hear me awesome thank you

[2:19:34] Voice 22: okay

[2:19:38] Trustee Luckham: so um as we get started up here uh again

[2:19:42] Trustee Luckham: welcome everybody we've had a fairly exciting morning lots of good discussions

[2:19:49] Trustee Luckham: questions. My name is Peter Luckham. I'm the chair of the

[2:19:53] Trustee Luckham: Sultry Island Local Trust Committee, Chair of Trust

[2:19:54] Trustee Luckham: Council, elected on Thetis Island, which is in Laiakson and

[2:19:58] Trustee Luckham: Penelope Territory. And it's an honor and privilege for me to

[2:20:01] Trustee Luckham: live there. But I also want to recognize that all of this

[2:20:06] Trustee Luckham: Islands Trust area is the territory of Coast Irish people

[2:20:10] Trustee Luckham: since time immemorial. It's an amazingly rich cultural

[2:20:15] Trustee Luckham: historic place, of which is ample opportunities for us to

[2:20:20] Trustee Luckham: to learn about this place since the beginning of time

[2:20:24] Trustee Luckham: from that history.

[2:20:26] Trustee Luckham: And so I appreciate the opportunity to be here.

[2:20:29] Trustee Luckham: I'm joined today by elected representatives,

[2:20:32] Trustee Luckham: Peter Grove on Salt Spring Island,

[2:20:34] Trustee Luckham: Laura Patrick, also on Salt Spring Island,

[2:20:37] Trustee Luckham: and Gary Holman, the regional director,

[2:20:39] Trustee Luckham: also on Salt Spring, I'm presuming today.

[2:20:41] Trustee Luckham: We also are surrounded by our terrific contingent of staff,

[2:20:47] Trustee Luckham: Louisa Garbo, planner, Rob Pingel,

[2:20:49] Trustee Luckham: our ABLE assistant today, Stefan Cermak, regional planning manager, Sarah Sugar, our minute taker,

[2:20:55] Trustee Luckham: planner Jordy Gordon, and I think that covers it at the moment. So welcome everybody and thank you

[2:21:02] Trustee Luckham: for being here and welcome members of the public. Thank you for taking time out of your day to join

[2:21:06] Trustee Luckham: us. So we're going to start off with the trustee and chair report, director's reports, go through

[2:21:14] Trustee Luckham: correspondence. We have a couple of delegations and then we will be moving into town hall

[2:21:21] Trustee Luckham: and followed by applications and referrals. We have a couple of business items we didn't get to

[2:21:27] Trustee Luckham: in the morning session, but we will be picking those up at new business at 17-1. And then we'll

[2:21:35] Trustee Luckham: be hopefully concluded for the day. So let's start off with the trustee reports and who would like

[2:21:40] Trustee Luckham: like to start today?

[2:21:42] Trustee Grove: I believe I kick off this today. And before I go any further, I just want

[2:21:48] Trustee Grove: to take an opportunity to thank Gary Holman for all he does as the CRD director, particularly

[2:21:55] Trustee Grove: with regards to housing issues. He keeps putting himself out there, and he's frequently in the

[2:22:01] Trustee Grove: crosshairs, and it upsets me enormously when people attack him. But thank you, Gary. Another

[2:22:07] Trustee Grove: other of my heroes, not that you're really my hero, Harry, but Jane Goodall is certainly one

[2:22:15] Trustee Grove: of my heroes. While she's been outspoken in her combination. Yeah,

[2:22:22] Voice 25: your voice fades in and out

[2:22:23] Voice 25: there, Peter.

[2:22:25] Trustee Grove: She never left me. And that is what I mean. I believe

[2:22:31] Voice 20: there is hope.

[2:22:35] Voice 20: Can't hear you, Peter.

[2:22:41] Trustee Grove: That's very frustrating. Is that any better?

[2:22:43] Trustee Grove: Much better.

[2:22:45] Trustee Grove: Now, I was going on about Jane Goodall, who is a hero of mine and what she has done for our world.

[2:22:51] Trustee Grove: And she has been outspoken in her condemnation of the way we have treated that world.

[2:22:55] Trustee Grove: But nevertheless, she believes there's hope for the future.

[2:22:58] Trustee Grove: And that is what her new TV series is about.

[2:23:02] Trustee Grove: And I, too, believe there is hope.

[2:23:04] Trustee Grove: We've been through a very difficult couple of years, and it remains a bit of a struggle, to put it mildly.

[2:23:10] Trustee Grove: However, there is now light at the end of this particular tunnel, and we can see restrictions

[2:23:14] Trustee Grove: beginning to ease. So at some stage, we will be having regular in-person meetings, which will

[2:23:20] Trustee Grove: make it far easier to communicate and to work towards building a better future for our community

[2:23:25] Trustee Grove: and our island. In the meantime, we must strive to work cooperatively together and not be consumed

[2:23:31] Trustee Grove: by the challenges and irritations which still exist. The end is hopefully in sight, and we must

[2:23:37] Trustee Grove: all hang in there together. Thank you. Thank

[2:23:41] Trustee Luckham: you, Peter, for those kind words.

[2:23:44] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, over to you.

[2:23:48] Trustee Patrick: Sure. Well, good afternoon. As we all know,

[2:23:52] Trustee Patrick: the world's changing, and we are certainly not immune to those changes right here on Salt Spring.

[2:23:57] Trustee Patrick: This is a community of highly intelligent and passionate people, and we as a community must

[2:24:03] Trustee Patrick: figure out how to house the diverse population we need to survive and thrive. We as a community

[2:24:08] Trustee Patrick: must chart a path through all the challenges that exist in this to to live on this island

[2:24:13] Trustee Patrick: uh the people we need to house are already here or some have even had to leave because they can't

[2:24:22] Trustee Patrick: find the housing there are doctors nurses police teachers grocery workers chefs servers trades

[2:24:27] Trustee Patrick: people and so on uh we all have the responsibility to solve this um i'm you know we're working

[2:24:36] Trustee Patrick: hopefully to to find a way to to to make suites uh suites and houses or suites in an accessory

[2:24:44] Trustee Patrick: building which have very similar impacts uh and to cast a very wide net across the island to find

[2:24:51] Trustee Patrick: islanders who are willing to house islanders also creating our local area plan for ganji's village

[2:24:58] Trustee Patrick: the heart of salt spring is an important and necessary planning project and this plan can

[2:25:04] Trustee Patrick: can only be accomplished by leaning into our in cooperation

[2:25:07] Trustee Patrick: with part of our Islands Trust mandate.

[2:25:09] Trustee Patrick: And this is going to be hard work.

[2:25:13] Trustee Patrick: I have participated in lots of meetings as usual.

[2:25:16] Trustee Patrick: I chaired two North Pender meetings,

[2:25:18] Trustee Patrick: one being a community information meeting.

[2:25:20] Trustee Patrick: They're proceeding with their land use review.

[2:25:23] Trustee Patrick: They're proposing a number of changes,

[2:25:24] Trustee Patrick: including maximum floor area and rezoning shorelines.

[2:25:28] Trustee Patrick: I also chaired a South Pender meeting

[2:25:30] Trustee Patrick: where they too are considering reducing maximum floor areas.

[2:25:33] Trustee Patrick: is. Chair, the SWPA meeting, the consultant that's helping us with the situation analysis

[2:25:38] Trustee Patrick: and strategic plan exercise presented a number of options to consider for watershed protection

[2:25:44] Trustee Patrick: governance on Salt Spring. These options range from sort of a modified status quo to very complex

[2:25:51] Trustee Patrick: forms that would require legislative change. No options are being considered really at this time,

[2:25:57] Trustee Patrick: but we will be revisiting this as we work through the strategic plan.

[2:26:03] Trustee Patrick: I listened in to the CRD's Transportation Commission as it contemplates providing feedback

[2:26:10] Trustee Patrick: to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure on the Ganges Hill repaving

[2:26:14] Trustee Patrick: project. This is a really complex hill even though that Islands Trust has standards that

[2:26:22] Trustee Patrick: that for this type of work, like I said, this road is very complex, and I hope that we can find a

[2:26:29] Trustee Patrick: good workable solution for improving the current condition on the hill. I also attended the CRD's

[2:26:36] Trustee Patrick: Economic Development Commission meeting just yesterday. Housing, as you can expect, is the

[2:26:41] Trustee Patrick: greatest risk to any form of resilient economy on this island, and a great deal of the conversation

[2:26:46] Trustee Patrick: that they have. I think the Economic Development Commission is a great partner for the Islands

[2:26:50] Trustee Patrick: trust in collecting the complex data that we need to better understand what is happening in this

[2:26:57] Trustee Patrick: community. The census, while we're all excited to see the data as it's coming out, it's already

[2:27:03] Trustee Patrick: out of date when we receive it, and we have to get a better way. And I'm glad to see the Economic

[2:27:07] Trustee Patrick: Development Commission eager to work on improved data. I also attended the Rural Island Economic

[2:27:15] Trustee Patrick: Partnerships discussion on the values of art to the economy in each of our rural islands.

[2:27:21] Trustee Patrick: No surprise, housing was discussed as an issue, retaining island artists who are so important to our rural island communities.

[2:27:29] Trustee Patrick: At the Islands Trust Federation level, I attended the executive meeting, financial planning committee meeting, and the regional planning committee.

[2:27:36] Trustee Patrick: At the regional planning committee, we discussed mine and Scott Colburn's request for decision on asking the province to help form some kind of entity or program to help fund and support housing projects and solutions in the islands.

[2:27:50] Trustee Patrick: I really want to thank Peter Luckum for his passionate words that he gave at the committee, because it really helped the committee members see the possibilities of this kind of ask.

[2:28:00] Trustee Patrick: And that's my report.

[2:28:04] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Laura Patrick, and thank you for your kind words.

[2:28:11] Trustee Luckham: Just was pulling up my calendar here to see, try and refresh my memory as to how much has happened since the last time we met here on Salt Spring.

[2:28:19] Trustee Luckham: and indeed the focus has been on the budget and getting the budget out to the public

[2:28:27] Trustee Luckham: and getting that consultation coming back in and really want to thank everybody that has

[2:28:33] Trustee Luckham: participated in the budget survey and provided us input. We have exceeded numbers yet again

[2:28:41] Trustee Luckham: year after year we get more and more people engaging with us in this process and we're

[2:28:47] Trustee Luckham: are very grateful for that and uh ffp financial planning committee meets now again tomorrow uh

[2:28:54] Trustee Luckham: final preparations of the agenda package for um march um and over the next uh well in the last

[2:29:02] Trustee Luckham: number of weeks all of the committees have been meeting to uh to advance their work in in in

[2:29:09] Trustee Luckham: advance of trust council to be able to report out where we are at on uh fees bylaws policy statement

[2:29:16] Trustee Luckham: regional planning, work,

[2:29:20] Trustee Luckham: and everything else under the sun, it seems.

[2:29:23] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm grateful for that.

[2:29:25] Trustee Luckham: I am also the chair of the Bolinas-Winchelsea Islands,

[2:29:28] Trustee Luckham: as well as Mesquite Island.

[2:29:30] Trustee Luckham: And I've met with those communities

[2:29:32] Trustee Luckham: and very, very much enjoy working in the communities,

[2:29:35] Trustee Luckham: having your feet on the ground

[2:29:37] Trustee Luckham: and getting to hear what folks have to offer

[2:29:41] Trustee Luckham: is definitely the most rewarding part of this.

[2:29:43] Trustee Luckham: Yesterday, I took part in the Southern Gulf Islands

[2:29:47] Trustee Luckham: forum, a good kind of a roundtable on state of affairs as we're now into a new year.

[2:29:55] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, there's lots of activity.

[2:30:00] Trustee Luckham: going on there lots of concern about the state of affairs across the country as well as locally

[2:30:04] Trustee Luckham: and um and that's uh that's that conversation also yesterday took part in the vancouver island

[2:30:11] Trustee Luckham: climate uh change uh leadership committee it's made up of uh a subgroup of the association of

[2:30:21] Trustee Luckham: vancouver island coastal communities and have been developing an action plan trying to get funding

[2:30:27] Trustee Luckham: from the province and the feds to support an action plan to assist all of us in the

[2:30:32] Trustee Luckham: vancouver island region to take significant steps in education and learning and action where it's

[2:30:42] Trustee Luckham: possible associated with climate change issues and so that's also something great to be working on

[2:30:49] Trustee Luckham: anyway a busy remainder of this month before march again preparing for council sifting through the

[2:30:58] Trustee Luckham: feedback we've received from the public and and we'll see we'll see you all hopefully at council

[2:31:07] Trustee Luckham: so thank you very much that's it for me I'm going to go to Gary Holman the CRD director

[2:31:13] Trustee Luckham: for your report sir thank you for joining us thanks

[2:31:17] Voice 6: Peter and as always thanks to the local

[2:31:20] Voice 6: trust committee for inviting me um and i i also appreciate peter grove's uh kind words uh i do

[2:31:28] Voice 6: believe we've made a lot of progress on affordable housing uh this term um but that's been a team

[2:31:35] Voice 6: effort and uh the crd's played its role i've played its role but so have the trustees in

[2:31:41] Voice 6: including the the uh the legalization of suites and cottages that they've already undertaken and

[2:31:48] Voice 6: they're they're considering additional changes so uh you know i think we're all playing a role in

[2:31:55] Voice 6: that um there is a a controversial issue that we're struggling with now the warming center and

[2:32:03] Voice 6: i believe uh sirdi bylaw and the rcmp may be um uh enforcing the bylaw at rainbow road uh once again

[2:32:12] Voice 6: today. That group has requested a meeting with me and I've indicated to them I am willing to

[2:32:22] Voice 6: meet with other stakeholders, including the local trustees, including NGOs that provide housing and

[2:32:29] Voice 6: supported services. But there's two obstacles, I guess, right now to making those discussions

[2:32:39] Voice 6: productive. While CRD does have some property that could be considered for a facility like the

[2:32:48] Voice 6: warming center, we don't manage those facilities. We need a bona fide NGO with the capacity and the

[2:32:59] Voice 6: resources to take responsibility for managing the facility. And at this point, and I've asked

[2:33:05] Voice 6: At least two societies whose names you'll be familiar with, who have declined to take direct responsibility.

[2:33:13] Voice 6: So that's one sticking point.

[2:33:16] Voice 6: And I guess the other is that the warming center collective, so-called, at this point have had several meetings with CRD staff,

[2:33:26] Voice 6: who, by the way, did not initiate bylaw enforcement until well after a month that the warming center was set up.

[2:33:33] Voice 6: been first in Peace Park, then in Mowat Park. CRD didn't initiate bylaw enforcement until after a

[2:33:43] Voice 6: month and after numerous complaints from property owners and park users about public drinking and

[2:33:49] Voice 6: dogs running amok and loud music at night. So, you know, I don't think CRD, and that took us

[2:33:59] Voice 6: through the most severe weather so CRD has been mindful of that I've encouraged staff although

[2:34:07] Voice 6: just like the trustees elected officials don't get directly involved in bylaw enforcement but I did

[2:34:14] Voice 6: encourage staff to you know consider the the severe weather and and they did do that but we

[2:34:23] Voice 6: We need an organization to step up and be responsible for management, and we need the group to be working within the existing rules.

[2:34:36] Voice 6: It is possible to have overnight camping at Moat Park. It is possible to have a warming center from 8 a.m. in the morning to 8 p.m.

[2:34:44] Voice 6: uh and and those rules could be uh i agree with the group that they're somewhat inflexible but

[2:34:52] Voice 6: uh it my understanding is that they've not only rejected uh crd bylaws have refused to

[2:34:59] Voice 6: um apply for a permit uh they've they've publicly uh indicated that they don't recognize the crd is

[2:35:07] Voice 6: a valid local government so it's not a good starting point for discussion but i am willing

[2:35:12] Voice 6: to discuss if we can deal with a couple of those obstacles I've mentioned. I've stated publicly

[2:35:18] Voice 6: this is a gap. Many communities are struggling with these issues of homelessness and local

[2:35:26] Voice 6: governments, you know, end up having to deal with them, you know, on the ground. In my view,

[2:35:34] Voice 6: this is primarily a senior government responsibility and they are turning their

[2:35:39] Voice 6: attention to the matter and spending unprecedented amounts of money on on the issue the bc housing

[2:35:45] Voice 6: commitment to 28 units of supported housing on drake road which will be finished in the summer

[2:35:50] Voice 6: is an example of that but we there still are gaps in the in the level of services and we continue to

[2:35:57] Voice 6: struggle i'm open to the conversation but there's got to be some basic uh acknowledgement of the

[2:36:04] Voice 6: the rules and there's got to be an organization stepping up to to manage um so uh just i also

[2:36:12] Voice 6: uh wanted to um report quickly uh the the the trust has requested crd to examine the possibility

[2:36:23] Voice 6: ability of business licenses. The CRD requests provincial authority to implement business

[2:36:34] Voice 6: licenses to manage vacation rentals, which is a difficult problem. So we have now received a staff

[2:36:45] Voice 6: report. It was received for information at the Electoral Area Committee. There is some more

[2:36:52] Voice 6: information required around the cost. Staff have already indicated that the cost of implementing

[2:36:59] Voice 6: a business license regime could be up to $200,000 a year. So we want to get a bit more detail on

[2:37:07] Voice 6: that. And I've also requested staff to look at the speculation and vacancy tax. As you know,

[2:37:14] Voice 6: I know the trustees and MLA Olson and myself met with the Minister of Finance to discuss that possibility.

[2:37:22] Voice 6: Salt Spring was excluded from the SVT when it was brought in.

[2:37:27] Voice 6: And I've asked CRD staff to provide a similar report as they did for business licenses on the SVT.

[2:37:36] Voice 6: All of this is aimed at, I guess, trying to create incentives or rules that promote use of our stock of dwellings for residents for housing versus using them for tourist accommodation.

[2:38:00] Voice 6: And one is a regulatory approach, one is a tax incentive approach. The SVT of those funds are earmarked for affordable housing.

[2:38:13] Voice 6: And the initiative that Trust Council is now considering by a committee with regard to an organization,

[2:38:23] Voice 6: an Islands Trust organization, to increase our capacity to develop affordable housing,

[2:38:31] Voice 6: but also to look at possible revenue sources.

[2:38:34] Voice 6: I would hope that committee, and I know they're talking to the CRD about the housing corporation

[2:38:41] Voice 6: that's already in place. It's not trust area specific, but it's the single largest provider

[2:38:50] Voice 6: of affordable housing in Vancouver Island. And so there's considerable capacity that already exists,

[2:38:56] Voice 6: but that committee could also consider the SVT, which is an existing tax that simply could be

[2:39:06] Voice 6: applied to Salt Spring, we could request that the funds be earmarked. They are earmarked for

[2:39:12] Voice 6: affordable housing in the areas where the tax applies. They're not earmarked specifically for

[2:39:18] Voice 6: the local areas in which the tax is raised. And we could ask the province and there would be no

[2:39:24] Voice 6: better organization than the trust, which has a special mandate to request that the tax be

[2:39:30] Voice 6: be earmarked more carefully, specifically to Salt Spring.

[2:39:36] Voice 6: Just wanted to mention that MLA Olsen and myself

[2:39:40] Voice 6: will be meeting with Minister Fleming

[2:39:44] Voice 6: to talk about a number of transportation issues,

[2:39:47] Voice 6: including ferries.

[2:39:48] Voice 6: As the trustees know, there's a petition

[2:39:54] Voice 6: that I believe MLA Olsen will be presenting

[2:39:57] Voice 6: in the legislature regarding uh concerns about congestion and safety at vesuvius there are

[2:40:03] Voice 6: similar very long-standing concerns at fulford harbor and uh so mla olsen will be getting

[2:40:09] Voice 6: together with the minister to talk about ways in which um those situations can be improved

[2:40:16] Voice 6: including um accelerating the deployment of hybrid ferries at vesuvius crofton which is already

[2:40:24] Voice 6: already planned by BC Ferries it's a question of the the timing there we'll also be talking to the

[2:40:30] Voice 6: the minister about um uh emergency uh road repairs on on Salt Spring uh as um as people know there

[2:40:41] Voice 6: were there were uh two major washouts and a major landslide that actually uh uh uh had what was was

[2:40:51] Voice 6: was cutting people off from access to services

[2:40:56] Voice 6: and the villages, those have been repaired

[2:40:59] Voice 6: and pretty quickly by MOTI.

[2:41:02] Voice 6: But I think the glaring need there

[2:41:06] Voice 6: is for more proactive management of our roads,

[2:41:10] Voice 6: maintenance of our roads,

[2:41:11] Voice 6: particularly culvert maintenance.

[2:41:14] Voice 6: The culverts, those are the things

[2:41:17] Voice 6: that have repeatedly washed out on Salt Spring.

[2:41:20] Voice 6: and basically the approach of MOTI at this point is to fix the problem when it occurs as opposed

[2:41:27] Voice 6: to being more proactive and I would remind the local trust committee and this is another thing

[2:41:33] Voice 6: we'll be talking to Minister Fleming about in addition to more proactive maintenance

[2:41:37] Voice 6: the Gulf Islands the southern Gulf Islands were excluded from the South Vancouver Island

[2:41:43] Voice 6: and transportation strategy so uh while there are hundreds of billions of dollars being spent

[2:41:50] Voice 6: elsewhere in the regional even in just the regional district uh several i think the estimate

[2:41:57] Voice 6: i saw was 500 uh million dollars uh we have difficulty getting our lines painted

[2:42:02] Voice 6: so that they're they're clear particularly for driving at night so there's a gap there we'll

[2:42:10] Voice 6: also be talking to the the minister about so that that's my report today thanks uh peter thank you

[2:42:22] Trustee Luckham: gary um so thank you everyone for your report um now let us go to our section correspondence here

[2:42:31] Trustee Luckham: um our normal practice is to receive uh uh correspondence for information uh a number of

[2:42:39] Trustee Luckham: pieces of correspondence for applications go directly to the social applications folder.

[2:42:44] Trustee Luckham: Other correspondence related to projects goes to the projects folder. It doesn't always end

[2:42:52] Trustee Luckham: up in this section, but I'm just going to go through these slowly and ask the LTC if they

[2:42:59] Trustee Luckham: want to receive it for information or whether they want to provide any direction with respect

[2:43:03] Trustee Luckham: to any of the correspondence received um the first two items are on the topic that director

[2:43:10] Trustee Luckham: holman just raised uh about the ferry service uh and vesuvius and and also at uh fulford there as

[2:43:17] Trustee Luckham: well but nonetheless particularly at vesuvius and the and the roads uh concerning two-way traffic

[2:43:24] Trustee Luckham: so is there any that says for consideration here on those two items from uh uh mr courtney um

[2:43:30] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[2:43:32] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it's funny that you should have just ended

[2:43:35] Trustee Patrick: with this topic.

[2:43:36] Trustee Patrick: I had a motion prepared, Gary,

[2:43:40] Trustee Patrick: and maybe you'd suggest some amendments,

[2:43:42] Trustee Patrick: but through one of us.

[2:43:46] Trustee Patrick: I move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:43:49] Trustee Patrick: advocate to the Ministry of Transportation

[2:43:52] Trustee Patrick: and Infrastructure to update

[2:43:55] Trustee Patrick: the South Island transportation strategy

[2:43:59] Trustee Patrick: by including the Southern Gulf Islands

[2:44:01] Trustee Patrick: within the study region.

[2:44:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that's a motion that's been moved.

[2:44:13] Trustee Luckham: I'm assuming you're moving that motion.

[2:44:15] Voice 22: And

[2:44:16] Trustee Luckham: Gary Holman, I think there was an opportunity

[2:44:18] Trustee Luckham: for you to provide some advice to the mover.

[2:44:20] Trustee Luckham: And if there is no advice, I'll look for a seconder.

[2:44:27] Voice 6: Peter, for what it's worth, I welcome that recommendation.

[2:44:32] Voice 6: recommendation okay so

[2:44:34] Trustee Luckham: then i'll look for a seconder trustee grove has seconded any further

[2:44:38] Trustee Luckham: discussion uh trustee patrick yeah

[2:44:41] Trustee Patrick: i know we just have to look at the november storms we had and saw

[2:44:45] Trustee Patrick: what a role salt spring played in moving traffic from the duncan area which is in the study area

[2:44:51] Trustee Patrick: to the victoria area so that alone is enough for them to say hmm maybe they missed something in

[2:44:59] Trustee Patrick: in their strategy, but overall,

[2:45:02] Trustee Patrick: the Southern Gulf Islands and how we move about,

[2:45:04] Trustee Patrick: we feed traffic into that region.

[2:45:06] Trustee Patrick: So the fact that we were excluded was just silly.

[2:45:11] Trustee Luckham: Right, so if there's any further discussion,

[2:45:14] Trustee Luckham: otherwise I'll call for the vote on that motion.

[2:45:16] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor, and that carries.

[2:45:20] Trustee Luckham: So did you want to add anything specific?

[2:45:22] Trustee Luckham: Did you want to make any specific motion here

[2:45:24] Trustee Luckham: with respect to 13.1 and 13.2?

[2:45:30] Trustee Luckham: no all right then we'll receive those for information then on top of that so then next

[2:45:35] Trustee Luckham: item here is from uh ken mar i think it is president of windsor plywood um there's also

[2:45:42] Trustee Luckham: a following item there uh two i three items they're all on the same talk topic about windsor

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham: plywood um and they're uh they're important place in the ganges village area um and they are all

[2:45:57] Trustee Luckham: all to be received for information.

[2:45:59] Trustee Luckham: Is there any other direction the LTC would like to provide?

[2:46:03] Trustee Luckham: No, so then we will receive items 13.3, 13.4, 13.5, 13.6,

[2:46:09] Trustee Luckham: and wanna thank Ken Marr and the assistant manager as well

[2:46:16] Trustee Luckham: for these letters that's certainly helpful to us

[2:46:19] Trustee Luckham: to clarify that information.

[2:46:22] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry for any concerns that were raised.

[2:46:26] Trustee Luckham: all done in with good intent I believe so let us then go to 13.7 item two items here from

[2:46:36] Trustee Luckham: Fitzsalen to the LTC concerning the draft accessory dwellings they're also for consideration is there

[2:46:43] Trustee Luckham: any direction the LTC would like to take with respect to those two at 13.7 13.8 trustee Patrick

[2:46:49] Trustee Luckham: well

[2:46:50] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if we need to make them I think there's some good suggestions in here that should

[2:46:54] Trustee Patrick: should be taken into consideration in the engagement

[2:46:56] Trustee Patrick: that we're gonna be discussing later in the meeting.

[2:46:58] Trustee Patrick: So I think this feeds into what's suggested

[2:47:01] Trustee Patrick: for public engagement in education.

[2:47:03] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, agreed.

[2:47:05] Trustee Luckham: Anything else, Peter?

[2:47:07] Trustee Luckham: Nope.

[2:47:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so thank you to the writer, Elizabeth,

[2:47:10] Trustee Luckham: for writing to us and appreciate the work that you do

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham: to contribute to solutions finding here.

[2:47:17] Trustee Luckham: So 13.9 from McSweeney Communications Branch, BC Housing.

[2:47:23] Trustee Luckham: and I think I was actually a letter to myself

[2:47:25] Trustee Luckham: as chair of Salt Spring LTC,

[2:47:27] Trustee Luckham: which are forwarded for your information

[2:47:29] Trustee Luckham: with respect to activities that are helping,

[2:47:32] Trustee Luckham: that are providing support

[2:47:34] Trustee Luckham: for the support of housing on Salt Spring.

[2:47:36] Trustee Luckham: Is there any direction the LTC would like to take

[2:47:38] Trustee Luckham: with respect to that piece of correspondence?

[2:47:41] Voice 22: No,

[2:47:42] Trustee Luckham: so then we'll receive that for information, thank you.

[2:47:45] Trustee Luckham: And here 13.10, Ms. McLean to the LTC

[2:47:50] Trustee Luckham: LTC regarding Gisra, rental rates, who is here for consideration? Is there any direction

[2:47:56] Trustee Luckham: other than receiving for information that the LTC would like to undertake?

[2:48:00] Trustee Luckham: No. So then we'll receive that. Again, thank you, Jenny, for writing to us and

[2:48:06] Trustee Luckham: raising these concerns. 13.11, Betos and Betos litigation. This is a letter to Honorable Josie

[2:48:16] Trustee Luckham: Osborne copied to us as well concerning the proposed telecommunications tower in Channel

[2:48:22] Trustee Luckham: Ridge. There's quite a lengthy number of letters back and forth as well as the letter that we sent

[2:48:30] Trustee Luckham: to Rogers respecting having a meeting with the community up there in Channel Ridge. Is there any

[2:48:37] Trustee Luckham: that's for to receive for information at this time Peter Grove?

[2:48:40] Trustee Grove: Just a question of staff have we

[2:48:42] Trustee Grove: received any kind of response to our letter let

[2:48:48] Trustee Luckham: me see who's on that file stefan sermac did you

[2:48:52] Trustee Luckham: have anything i

[2:48:53] Voice 11: have no update to to give yeah

[2:48:57] Trustee Luckham: i i will say there was an initial effort by somebody

[2:49:00] Trustee Luckham: at rogers to communicate with me by phone and it was unable to establish an in-person connection

[2:49:07] Trustee Luckham: with them and um so i would suggest that if they're listening they reach out the staff

[2:49:13] Trustee Luckham: and or reach out to the community in Channel Ridge.

[2:49:16] Trustee Luckham: I think that was the intention

[2:49:17] Trustee Luckham: was to reach out to the community there

[2:49:19] Trustee Luckham: and establish some kind of communications.

[2:49:22] Trustee Luckham: And obviously this is escalating

[2:49:25] Trustee Luckham: as would be rightfully so by the people

[2:49:27] Trustee Luckham: that are being impacted by this.

[2:49:30] Trustee Luckham: So is there any direction from the LTC?

[2:49:34] Trustee Luckham: No, okay, so we received that information.

[2:49:39] Trustee Luckham: A letter resignation from Ms. Carlin, I believe it is.

[2:49:45] Trustee Luckham: resignation from the Advisory Planning Commission, and thank you for your service, and I'm sorry that

[2:49:52] Trustee Luckham: you have to step down, and is there any direction there? I know that the LTC will want to express

[2:49:59] Trustee Luckham: its thanks for you serving on the APC for the time that you have, and if there's no further

[2:50:07] Trustee Luckham: the direction then we'll receive that information so um next leader letter is from spears to the

[2:50:14] Trustee Luckham: ltc and trustee patrick's response concerning liverboard vessels and harbor contamination

[2:50:20] Trustee Luckham: thank you for raising that both of you um any direction trustee patrick particularly or would

[2:50:26] Trustee Luckham: you we

[2:50:27] Trustee Patrick: discussed that earlier it was in regard to the standing resolution that's been next that

[2:50:30] Trustee Patrick: it's expired yeah

[2:50:32] Trustee Luckham: exactly very good then thank you um so that then uh does it for the correspondence

[2:50:39] Trustee Luckham: that we have in front of us um and want to thank all of the writers and all of this is helpful

[2:50:45] Trustee Luckham: information to help us advance our decision making and i'm going to go now on to delegations

[2:50:53] Trustee Luckham: um you know it may not be clear to lots of folks that um we have a limited amount of

[2:51:00] Trustee Luckham: space on our delegations agenda based upon timing. And we usually allow for three delegations and

[2:51:08] Trustee Luckham: then overflow goes into town hall just in order to keep the agenda on track. And I know there

[2:51:17] Trustee Luckham: was a couple of other folks that wanted to speak to the LTC. And we certainly want to hear from

[2:51:23] Trustee Luckham: from you, and I think we deferred those off

[2:51:26] Trustee Luckham: to the next meeting.

[2:51:28] Trustee Luckham: And so please get your name in early.

[2:51:31] Trustee Luckham: And I guess if the LTC wants to consider expanding

[2:51:34] Trustee Luckham: this section of the agenda,

[2:51:36] Trustee Luckham: then that's some direction that we would have to provide.

[2:51:40] Trustee Luckham: I just follow the guidelines that we have here.

[2:51:44] Trustee Luckham: So the first speaker today is Maxine Leichter

[2:51:49] Trustee Luckham: concerning the vortex, it's called.

[2:51:52] Trustee Luckham: I believe that that is actually South Spring Development Permit 2021.24, which is on our agenda on 2621-2661 Fulford-Ganges Road, if I'm not mistaken.

[2:52:04] Trustee Luckham: And so, Ms. Leichter, I'll turn the floor over to you if you've been promoted.

[2:52:10] Trustee Luckham: There you go.

[2:52:10] Trustee Luckham: I see you on the screen.

[2:52:12] Trustee Luckham: Welcome.

[2:52:12] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for joining us.

[2:52:15] Voice 34: Dennis Luccarelli is giving my delegation.

[2:52:20] Voice 25: I'm sorry?

[2:52:22] Voice 29: Dennis?

[2:52:23] Voice 34: I'm sorry.

[2:52:24] Voice 29: Luccarelli?

[2:52:24] Voice 22: I

[2:52:25] Voice 29: recall that. I will work on that right now.

[2:52:28] Voice 22: Thank you, Rob.

[2:52:40] Voice 20: So that's Dennis Luccarelli.

[2:52:42] Trustee Luckham: You look like you have the floor and you're speaking on behalf of Maxine Leichter.

[2:52:48] Trustee Luckham: So please go ahead.

[2:52:49] Voice 8: Yes. Thank you.

[2:52:51] Voice 8: The Vortex proposal is in an extremely environmentally sensitive location.

[2:52:58] Voice 8: Fulford Creek is among the top 10 sensitive streams in B.C.

[2:53:03] Voice 8: both Fulford and Soul Creeks have salmon and cutthroat trout. The harbor has eelgrass,

[2:53:12] Voice 8: marine fish, shellfish, crustaceans, and many birds. The purpose of development permit guidelines

[2:53:19] Voice 8: is to implement OCP policies to protect the natural environment, and it is your responsibility

[2:53:27] Voice 8: to enforce those guidelines. LTC staff states they cannot confirm that this proposal meets

[2:53:38] Voice 8: two guidelines in DP2. One requires a professional engineer's report and the other bars pollution

[2:53:48] Voice 8: from fish-bearing streams. The developer's proposal sets performance goals but does not

[2:53:56] Voice 8: provide a design for the actual septic system. Without this design, it is not possible to know

[2:54:05] Voice 8: if the septic system will meet the goals. Their biologists also approved only the goals.

[2:54:14] Voice 8: Even if we did have a plan, William Shulba has pointed out that there is no neutral party

[2:54:20] Voice 8: to check that the final design will meet the targets or that the system is installed correctly.

[2:54:30] Voice 8: The staff report points out other hazards, flooding, liquefaction, earthquakes, and it is directly on a fault,

[2:54:38] Voice 8: and a likely tide-dominated groundwater table, which can make pollution from septic systems hard to prevent.

[2:54:47] Voice 8: end. The estuary is a recorded significant First Nations archaeological site. A geotechnical report

[2:54:55] Voice 8: indicates the proposed liquefaction mitigation measures will require significant land alteration

[2:55:04] Voice 8: that could affect archaeological values. Meaningful reconciliation demands protection of

[2:55:12] Voice 8: this site. Staff has stated that the LTC is under no obligation to issue the development permit.

[2:55:21] Voice 8: Rather, the LTC must simply be able to demonstrate it has made a reasonable decision and was

[2:55:29] Voice 8: responsive to the issues raised. You have a major responsibility because before the developer can

[2:55:38] Voice 8: get a building permit you must have granted them a development permit which it bears repeating is

[2:55:45] Voice 8: made in your reasonable discretion and is responsible responsive to the issues raised

[2:55:52] Voice 8: therefore we are asking you to take these actions require the technical reports recommended by staff

[2:56:01] Voice 8: but only if commissioned those reports are commissioned by the islands trust

[2:56:05] Voice 8: trust so that neutrality is assured. Also, and very important, the staff report states that the

[2:56:14] Voice 8: Salt Spring LTC has the power to determine if the current zoning on this property is inappropriate

[2:56:23] Voice 8: or appropriate for either the scale or its location of the development. Today, we ask you

[2:56:33] Voice 8: to start the rezoning process. Yes, there are risks, but your highest responsibility

[2:56:41] Voice 8: and legal duty is to protect this sensitive natural area. Please protect Fulford Harbor

[2:56:50] Voice 8: for all the life forms who cannot speak for themselves and for visitors and for residents

[2:56:57] Voice 8: whose lives will be affected by the quality of the natural environment in and around Fulford

[2:57:04] Voice 8: Harbor for years to come. Thank you on behalf of Maxine Leichter.

[2:57:11] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Dennis,

[2:57:13] Trustee Luckham: for speaking on behalf of Maxine. Appreciate that. Any questions for the delegate? No. All

[2:57:22] Trustee Luckham: right. So I'm going to go to, I think it's David Rapport, concerning development and climate change

[2:57:27] Trustee Luckham: for proposed development projects. So Rob, if you can promote Mr. Rappaport.

[2:57:37] Voice 22: We'll hear from him.

[2:57:54] Voice 20: Good

[2:57:54] Voice 25: afternoon, Mr. Rappaport. You have the floor if you'd unmute your microphone.

[2:58:04] Voice 5: There you are. All

[2:58:05] Voice 5: right. Well, thank you for the opportunity to speak to the vortex issue

[2:58:10] Voice 5: in the context of climate change. And I appreciate Peter's remarks about Jane Goodall. The critical

[2:58:16] Voice 5: thing that Jane said, and I heard the interview, was that we are facing existential crises and we

[2:58:23] Voice 5: cannot just hope for a solution. We must work for a solution. And I want to address that crisis that

[2:58:29] Voice 5: affects us everywhere and on Salt Spring Island. The first thing I want to say, and I hope this

[2:58:36] Voice 5: doesn't sound too harsh, but we have just completed a multi-year effort, the equivalent of two years

[2:58:44] Voice 5: or three years of work spread over a dozen years

[2:58:47] Voice 5: to assess the state of health of Salt Springs ecosystems.

[2:58:51] Voice 5: That report is about to go out for comments

[2:58:56] Voice 5: by people on Salt Spring

[2:58:58] Voice 5: before it is finally released to the public.

[2:59:01] Voice 5: That report says on no unequivocal terms

[2:59:05] Voice 5: that there has been a dereliction of duty

[2:59:07] Voice 5: on the part of the trust.

[2:59:09] Voice 5: Not you particular trustees, but the trust's history.

[2:59:12] Voice 5: And that report will show there's been rampant development on Salt Spring, massive loss of natural habitat, neglect of the health of our freshwater and marine ecosystems, failure to protect the Douglas fir forest, and changes that compromise the community's health, physical and mental health and well-being.

[2:59:32] Voice 5: With that as a background, I believe that the trust also has a betrayal of intent.

[2:59:43] Voice 5: It has stated that this is a climate emergency and that priority has to be given to that reality.

[2:59:51] Voice 5: And yet at the same time, you're considering giving the green light to a project that will almost certainly, with intensifying climate...

[3:00:00] Voice 5: crisis and chaos result in more damage to already heavily damaged ecosystems on salt spring

[3:00:07] Voice 5: both fulford harbor the creeks and the estuary and i think that itself is a

[3:00:17] Voice 5: dereliction of and a betrayal of the intent of really making climate crisis a key issue

[3:00:26] Voice 5: you and declaring it as an emergency. Further, I want to note that there has been no genuine effort

[3:00:34] Voice 5: as the previous, as Dennis has mentioned to some extent, no genuine effort on the part of the trust

[3:00:42] Voice 5: or on the part of the proponent of the Vortex project to consider the potential damages that

[3:00:50] Voice 5: can be done and to have commission reports that could either set aside those concerns or amplify

[3:00:57] Voice 5: them. If there was a genuine effort, those reports would be on the table right now. We don't see any

[3:01:03] Voice 5: evidence on the part of the trustees or the proponent to get the information needed to make

[3:01:09] Voice 5: a reasoned and considered decision in light of a climate emergency. And finally, I want to

[3:01:24] Voice 5: make a plea, not only on behalf of myself, but on behalf of many of Salt Springers who have written

[3:01:32] Voice 5: and passionate letters that have appeared in the driftwood, not letters that are part

[3:01:37] Voice 5: of a marketing campaign, as I understand the opponent has underway, but thoughtful individual

[3:01:43] Voice 5: letters, individual voices expressing concerns based on their understanding of what's at

[3:01:50] Voice 5: stake.

[3:01:51] Voice 5: What's at stake is nothing less than the health of our community and the health of our ecosystems.

[3:01:57] Voice 5: ecosystems. And that is, I want to then suggest that for the health of our ecosystems and our

[3:02:06] Voice 5: communities, that you scrap this project. It is irresponsible to go ahead with a project that

[3:02:12] Voice 5: poses so much risk, that's playing Russian roulette with the health of Fulford Harbor,

[3:02:17] Voice 5: with the health of the creeks and estuaries, which are fish bearing, and go ahead with a project that

[3:02:22] Voice 5: is almost certain to add to the distress. And I say this with some 40 years of background of

[3:02:29] Voice 5: assessing the health of ecosystems worldwide, including all of Canada in the first state of

[3:02:34] Voice 5: the environment report for our country. The community of nature really counts here, and it

[3:02:41] Voice 5: has already been heavily abused. Let this be an example of turning the corner, turning the page

[3:02:48] Voice 5: on that abuse. You have the opportunity to make history for our island. Turn the corner on abuse

[3:02:54] Voice 5: and go towards restoration. That site needs to be restored. The creeks have been heavily abused,

[3:03:01] Voice 5: the estuary and the harbor. We could turn that site into an absolute stellar demonstration project,

[3:03:08] Voice 5: how salt springers have finally stood up to the degradation that's been ongoing on the island

[3:03:14] Voice 5: and are prepared as a community with the trust

[3:03:18] Voice 5: to restore health to our island ecosystems.

[3:03:23] Voice 5: Thank you for your attention.

[3:03:26] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, David Rapport for your presentation.

[3:03:30] Trustee Luckham: Appreciate that.

[3:03:32] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to now go to 14.3.

[3:03:35] Trustee Luckham: I think it's Kathy Reimer,

[3:03:36] Trustee Luckham: Island Stream and Salmon Enhancement Society

[3:03:39] Trustee Luckham: concerning the VORTEX project as it's been called.

[3:03:45] Voice 29: chair i cannot see kathy reimer listed as an attendee um there's one attendee without a name

[3:03:53] Voice 29: affiliated with their zoom account so if that person was kathy reimer and they raised their

[3:03:59] Voice 29: hand it would assist me i don't see

[3:04:09] Trustee Luckham: that hand coming up did you do i i

[3:04:13] Voice 29: do not see that at this

[3:04:16] Voice 29: time like is there

[3:04:19] Trustee Luckham: somebody else surmising i see oh no that's not anything all right well that's

[3:04:25] Trustee Luckham: unfortunate then um i'm not seeing anything else happening here um perhaps she's coming in on

[3:04:36] Trustee Luckham: somebody else's name oh there's a hand david there it is is that kathy

[3:04:40] Trustee Luckham: reimer we'll promote

[3:04:42] Voice 29: to panelists and uh i believe i recall this was uh yes just working the system okay

[3:04:53] Voice 22: he should be

[3:04:54] Voice 29: available to speak and share video if he chooses to now and yeah i recall that now okay very good

[3:05:04] Trustee Luckham: kathy reimer is that you no

[3:05:06] Voice 36: this is david astle speaking i'm representing the island stream and

[3:05:10] Voice 36: salmon enhancement society and thank you for your time

[3:05:13] Trustee Luckham: okay okay go ahead then the

[3:05:15] Voice 36: island stream in

[3:05:16] Voice 36: Sam Enhancement Society has been working with Fulford Creek since 1983. I have been a member

[3:05:21] Voice 36: since 1989 and on the boards for the last 15 years. We have considerable experience with this creek

[3:05:28] Voice 36: and we have a lot to say about what's going on here. We continue to oppose the proposed Fulford

[3:05:35] Voice 36: Creek estuary vortex development. Our submissions made in December and letters we sent earlier this

[3:05:41] Voice 36: month stand also we have submitted an updated letter from carla conklin our legal advisor

[3:05:47] Voice 36: we oppose the dvp reapplication which makes no sense if the dp has not been issued and provides

[3:05:53] Voice 36: a foot in the door for the developer we have continued concerns about the water course setbacks

[3:05:59] Voice 36: the same setbacks that your staff have been concerned about we have seen the property during

[3:06:04] Voice 36: rain events and ordinary high tides as well as after the november flooding at that time most

[3:06:10] Voice 36: of the property was inundated was an inundated floodplain implications we are concerned about

[3:06:16] Voice 36: include the following there has been no information about how great an impact the

[3:06:21] Voice 36: addition of 17 housing units and the commercial activities will have on the biology of the

[3:06:26] Voice 36: delicate estuarine ecosystem any increased extra human use of the intertidal and beach areas

[3:06:32] Voice 36: around the estuary will cause great distress to the birds and wildlife that have up to now a

[3:06:38] Voice 36: a peaceful environment. It takes a great deal of time to determine the cumulative effect of marine

[3:06:43] Voice 36: nutrient loading from septic discharge on shallow, poorly flushed bays. These oceanographic studies

[3:06:51] Voice 36: often take years to complete. Usually discharge pipes are placed out in deeper water, not near

[3:06:58] Voice 36: eelgrass or shellfish beds or any vital estuarine habitat. Attempting to infiltrate the treated

[3:07:05] Voice 36: septage into the ground even where there is a rain garden would have been futile during the

[3:07:11] Voice 36: many storm events we have absorbed observed there's not been a sound and proper process

[3:07:18] Voice 36: concerned islanders did not see the agenda package for this meeting until a week before the ltc

[3:07:24] Voice 36: meeting and yet have had to have their concerns submitted to the islands trust just three days

[3:07:28] Voice 36: after having access to the latest development permit plans there's been insufficient time to

[3:07:34] Voice 36: complete a review given the extent of all the new documents there also continues to be insufficient

[3:07:40] Voice 36: information regarding important aspects of the development such as changes to the layout of the

[3:07:45] Voice 36: site and new sewage areas and options that are merely conceptual in nature the ltc staff have

[3:07:52] Voice 36: echoed this with their recommendations the local trustees cannot make such an important decision

[3:07:58] Voice 36: based on incomplete information the trust planning staff have repeatedly asked for reports from

[3:08:06] Voice 36: independent qualified consultants concerning the impact of stormwater and septage discharge into

[3:08:13] Voice 36: the sensitive marine habitats the islands trust senior freshwater specialist has repeatedly asked

[3:08:19] Voice 36: for reports from qualified engineers or geoscientists with proficiency in hydrogeology

[3:08:25] Voice 36: to determine the risk assessment of the water body receiving environment also the senior

[3:08:31] Voice 36: freshwater specialist has concerned about the diversion of natural groundwater inflow through

[3:08:37] Voice 36: to the foreshore this would also require additional hydrological investigation the applicants

[3:08:44] Voice 36: rapr and qep has stated that the water containing sewage system would percolate will not have a

[3:08:52] Voice 36: negative effect on the water quality of soul creek and the downstream estuary a riparian assessment

[3:08:59] Voice 36: report concerns only the impacts on the freshwater stream the soul creek salmon and trout fry spend

[3:09:05] Voice 36: time acclimatizing to salt water in the estuary pools below the culvert they would be recipients

[3:09:13] Voice 36: of the septage system percolate again any impacts on the marine environment would need to be

[3:09:19] Voice 36: determined by studies completed by independent qualified marine engineers and biologists there

[3:09:25] Voice 36: would also need to be a full fisheries review to support any assessment of the impacts to the

[3:09:30] Voice 36: marine environment the extensive vortex development is contrary to the islands trust mandate and

[3:09:37] Voice 36: purpose we believe that a rezoning amendment to the ocp and land use bylaw must be considered

[3:09:44] Voice 36: an action before this development permit application proceeds further and i want to

[3:09:49] Voice 36: remind you that there's only 15 streams in british columbia they're designated as sensitive

[3:09:54] Voice 36: they were designated in 1997 and fulford creek is one of those 15 streams and i receive as a

[3:10:02] Voice 36: landowner in the burgwine valley a letter from the ministry of lands forests and rural development

[3:10:08] Voice 36: and each year reminding me about water use and that I live in this very sensitive system. Thank you.

[3:10:18] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much for your report there. I appreciate that. And we'll be taking all of that into consideration.

[3:10:28] Trustee Luckham: So this brings us to town hall and questions. And so this would be an opportunity for other members of the public to speak.

[3:10:43] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm just going to give my little preamble here.

[3:10:47] Trustee Luckham: It's really critically important that this be a safe place, respectful place for all of the participants, trustees, staff, and of course, all of your friends and neighbors that are out there that are joining us from the Salisbury community.

[3:11:01] Trustee Luckham: community. So please conduct yourself accordingly. And I will mute you if I find that your language

[3:11:10] Trustee Luckham: is disrespectful. And I'll ask you to rephrase your statements accordingly. And so we'll begin.

[3:11:19] Trustee Luckham: Now, I noticed immediately that Ronan Heintzman, who's the chair of the Housing Action Task Force,

[3:11:30] Trustee Luckham: missed his opportunity to speak earlier.

[3:11:33] Trustee Luckham: I think that he has asked to speak ahead of Town Hall

[3:11:37] Trustee Luckham: and so in that capacity.

[3:11:40] Trustee Luckham: And so if that's all right,

[3:11:41] Trustee Luckham: I noticed his hand went up first.

[3:11:43] Trustee Luckham: So if that's all right with the LTC,

[3:11:44] Trustee Luckham: we'll allow Ronan Heintzman to speak

[3:11:47] Trustee Luckham: and correct me if I'm wrong,

[3:11:49] Trustee Luckham: Ronan, if you're speaking on behalf of the task force.

[3:11:52] Trustee Luckham: So the floor is yours, Ronan, thank you.

[3:11:57] Voice 35: Thank you, can you hear me?

[3:11:59] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[3:11:59] Trustee Luckham: okay

[3:12:00] Voice 35: um i don't see an image that's fine um uh thank you uh chair luckham for the opportunity to

[3:12:07] Voice 35: to um to speak i'm sorry i was uh uh late this morning missed my opportunity then

[3:12:13] Voice 35: um i think you'll find i've prepared some comments um because of the you know the staff report

[3:12:19] Voice 35: relevant to our project today um so um i'll also be able to to send this to you in writing um

[3:12:28] Voice 35: so um but just um ahead of that we at the last meeting it was was really great we had

[3:12:34] Voice 35: uh regional planning manager steph and sir mac join us and we were able to have a a really

[3:12:39] Voice 35: uh productive conversation to to understand more about the processes involved in what and what's

[3:12:46] Voice 35: um um what we're in what our project is about and um also in that meeting

[3:12:52] Voice 35: there was some discussion about communications and you know the you know because we we've

[3:12:58] Voice 35: expressed desire to be able to communicate our intentions behind our recommendations to the

[3:13:03] Voice 35: to the public and it was recommended that this opportunity for me to present a report is an

[3:13:07] Voice 35: opportunity for us to share our points of view to the ltc and the ltc's role is to communicate

[3:13:14] Voice 35: with the with the community until there's other public engagement plans that involve us directly

[3:13:21] Voice 35: So I appreciate that opportunity, appreciate that need that we're an advisory committee

[3:13:28] Voice 35: to this body, to the Local Trust Committee.

[3:13:31] Voice 35: So in that capacity, we would like the LTC to remind the community that we are taking

[3:13:41] Voice 35: environmental concerns very seriously and considering Don's carrying capacity as well

[3:13:45] Voice 35: as balancing the need to provide planning for a healthy and diverse demographic that preserves

[3:13:50] Voice 35: the rural island character of our community. These issues have been studied for decades

[3:13:56] Voice 35: and there are at least a dozen Islands Trust reports that go back at least as far as 2003

[3:14:02] Voice 35: when author Normandy Daniels addressed solutions to the already then identified housing crisis.

[3:14:08] Voice 35: Secondary infill such as suites and cottages now broadly recognized as accessory dwelling units

[3:14:13] Voice 35: was identified then as a way of creating smaller affordable housing for working class families

[3:14:20] Voice 35: in a way that has minimal impact on the environment by virtue of inserting some

[3:14:24] Voice 35: small dwellings into already disturbed areas of settlement using existing or already permitted

[3:14:31] Voice 35: buildings and infrastructure. This has been corroborated by at least a dozen IT reports

[3:14:36] Voice 35: since then, as well as regional reports and studies, including an excellent report recently

[3:14:40] Voice 35: recently published by BC Housing.

[3:14:43] Voice 35: Our recommendations to allow suites and accessory buildings and increase the area permitted

[3:14:47] Voice 35: in order to capture all those property owners who wish to participate is just part of a

[3:14:52] Voice 35: broader package of ideas that also includes other ways to reduce impacts of our settlement

[3:15:00] Voice 35: patterns on our environment, such as an effective density transfer system, home plate zoning

[3:15:06] Voice 35: models that allows for flexible density in exchange for large areas of conservation,

[3:15:10] Voice 35: conservation, among other ideas. We believe we can house people needed to sustain our

[3:15:17] Voice 35: island community in a way that has a minimal impact on the environment and improves the

[3:15:21] Voice 35: sustainable health, diversity and functioning of our rural community. The onus of protecting

[3:15:26] Voice 35: our environment cannot solely be placed on limiting small affordable dwellings at the

[3:15:30] Voice 35: expense of working class families in our communities, while the true environmental destruction is

[3:15:35] Voice 35: wrought by the virtually unfettered development of large single family estates that is enshrined

[3:15:40] Voice 35: in our development model. Failing to house the people needed to serve our community locally

[3:15:45] Voice 35: also results in negative environmental and social impact of commuting workers

[3:15:50] Voice 35: already clogging up the ferry system. So there's some comments that we hope that the community

[3:16:00] Voice 35: will take into account that we have a broad point of view that really trying to encompass

[3:16:09] Voice 35: as the overall impacts of our settlement patterns and looking very long-term. As far as the staff

[3:16:17] Voice 35: report, we're really encouraged by the staff report presented today and recognize the diligent

[3:16:24] Voice 35: and considered efforts of staff to balance our requests and also the constraints of the OCP

[3:16:30] Voice 35: and limited resources. It was really great to see a summary of the OCP sections that limit the

[3:16:38] Voice 35: broader adoption of secondary dwellings to see that together because we're wondering what the

[3:16:42] Voice 35: what the limitations really were and i'd like to point out that the ocp also contains

[3:16:47] Voice 35: many passages that support the increase of affordable housing flexible density small cluster

[3:16:52] Voice 35: drawings and a healthy and diverse community that is resilient and less dependent on commuters from

[3:16:57] Voice 35: off island to serve our needs the ocp needs to be considered as a whole as as you uh as the ltc

[3:17:04] Voice 35: discussed earlier today and I want to thank you for your excellent and well-considered discussion

[3:17:09] Voice 35: earlier today on this issue. The OCP sections cited in this report describe the ways that the

[3:17:16] Voice 35: OCP limits the number of secondary units that might be permitted to incremental increases,

[3:17:23] Voice 35: but there's nothing that expressly prohibits the redefinition of where a suite might be located

[3:17:28] Voice 35: or to more broadly define all secondary drawings as accessory dwelling units.

[3:17:34] Voice 35: which are accessory to the principal residents. The environmental impact of a suite or dwelling

[3:17:39] Voice 35: unit is the same whether it is contained within the footprint of a main house or above a garage

[3:17:45] Voice 35: or a shop or within the walls of a seasonal cottage or studio. To claim otherwise is a

[3:17:50] Voice 35: logical policy that serves only to limit the uptake of the intended use of the by-law effort

[3:17:55] Voice 35: underway." And again, I prepared this earlier and I want to acknowledge your discussion earlier

[3:18:00] Voice 35: earlier today that addressed those issues as well.

[3:18:05] Voice 35: The many nuances of the OCP in the end require interpretation

[3:18:09] Voice 35: and that is your role as trustees

[3:18:10] Voice 35: to take into account the OCP as a whole,

[3:18:13] Voice 35: the reality of the circumstances

[3:18:15] Voice 35: that are currently affecting our community today

[3:18:17] Voice 35: as compared to 2008 when the OCP was last updated.

[3:18:22] Voice 35: This is a time of crisis that requires

[3:18:23] Voice 35: bold and decisive decisions.

[3:18:26] Voice 35: Please seize the opportunity today

[3:18:28] Voice 35: to maximize the intended impact of this effort,

[3:18:30] Voice 35: to see through the haze of bureaucratic legalese and the endological fallacies limiting the type

[3:18:36] Voice 35: and placement of accessory dwelling and theoretical densities that take up space

[3:18:40] Voice 35: in tallies on a map, but they do not represent actually built and used homes. Please consider

[3:18:48] Voice 35: addressing the limitations in the numbers of secondary dwellings described in the OCP

[3:18:52] Voice 35: By also following the direction of the OCP section B.2.2.2.13 and 14 and establish a registry of secondary dwellings, perhaps with a defined quota available to property owners island-wide who can prove adequate water and waste management on a first-come, first-served basis.

[3:19:15] Voice 35: The LTC should request the resources necessary to accomplish this without further burdening

[3:19:23] Voice 35: existing staff resources.

[3:19:26] Voice 35: This quota can be done in respect to the OCP without adding any new theoretical dwellings

[3:19:33] Voice 35: other than those that are already permitted by the existing suites and cottages bylaws

[3:19:39] Voice 35: by redistributing the current numbers that are already permitted island-wide to those

[3:19:46] Voice 35: who will actually stand up for the community and rent out a unit now or in the near future.

[3:19:52] Voice 35: This will maximize the effort of this bylaw update and actually translate to built and lived in small

[3:19:58] Voice 35: affordable homes. This will give an essential tool to our planning department to know how many

[3:20:03] Voice 35: secondary units are built and used. We will be able to compare this over time with the regular

[3:20:09] Voice 35: provincially mandated housing needs assessment. This will control the uptake and use of secondary

[3:20:15] Voice 35: dwellings in the incremental way that will hopefully assuage the concerns of those worried

[3:20:20] Voice 35: about population growth that was what i prepared i just just want to clarify that you know in light

[3:20:27] Voice 35: of the conversation today there was talk about how about this exact thing how to control you know how

[3:20:33] Voice 35: can we allow for more flexibility and control number and and i really urge uh ewen and staff

[3:20:39] Voice 35: i'll send this to staff to to look at this idea there's already been a theoretical amount of um

[3:20:47] Voice 35: of secondary dwellings permitted already out there but they're not being used they're taking

[3:20:51] Voice 35: up space and numbers on the paper by by having a registry system we can translate that so that

[3:20:57] Voice 35: all those numbers actually mean homes for people and we don't actually have to increase at this

[3:21:02] Voice 35: point the the number of uh we don't have to add any more um and and therefore the this this this

[3:21:09] Voice 35: bylaw uptake can happen without needing an ocp amendment and without contradicting ocp thank you

[3:21:15] Voice 35: Thank

[3:21:17] Trustee Luckham: you, Ronan. There's an awful lot of information that you presented there. And if you have that in writing, much appreciated if you could submit that to the LTC to help us. And thank you for joining us.

[3:21:31] Trustee Luckham: I'm now going to go, I gave Ronan quite a bit extra time as he would normally have reported to us in the morning portion of our meeting.

[3:21:42] Trustee Luckham: But want to remind future participants that as town hall speakers, two minutes is our normal allocation of time.

[3:21:53] Trustee Luckham: And so I've got one, two, three, four, five speakers, starting with Franz, I believe, and then David Rumsey, and Gunn, Ryder, Bergerud, sorry about that, and Ian Peace, and André L. Martel.

[3:22:14] Trustee Luckham: And so let us begin with Franz. And two minutes, if you don't mind, sir.

[3:22:23] Voice 20: Hi, can you hear me now, Chair?

[3:22:25] Voice 20: chair yes

[3:22:26] Voice 27: okay thank you um yeah i i've said so much and i'm sure you're aware how much i've said

[3:22:34] Voice 27: i've written so much um i don't like yeah

[3:22:38] Voice 27: i don't like speaking here in public um anyway uh let's

[3:22:44] Voice 27: just think about one thing that uh the staff put in their most recent staff report and that's

[3:22:50] Voice 27: down zoning that wasn't in previous reports so something's happened uh why is it in there well

[3:22:59] Voice 27: it's obvious they outline it and it's because they're concerned and there's so many concerns

[3:23:06] Voice 27: flooding groundwater table and now liquefaction from possible earthquake there's all the

[3:23:13] Voice 27: archaeology issues so staff are really concerned and as they say in there they're exercising

[3:23:22] Voice 27: So I guess my message to you now, as you look at that very sensitive harbour with all its beautiful marine life, and a lot that we don't even know, is to exercise that same degree of caution, please.

[3:23:43] Voice 27: We have to think of other alternatives for this site.

[3:23:47] Voice 27: uh this imagine if it were restored now maybe just start thinking about restoring that estuary

[3:23:54] Voice 27: as opposed to developing into a big tourist resort um okay uh i won't carry on much longer here

[3:24:03] Voice 27: except i just want to point out the developers uh website says under soul creek it says no fish

[3:24:11] Voice 27: habitat and it's not fish accessible it says that right on his website and this is not the

[3:24:16] Voice 27: the information I have from, for example, Kathy Reimer and her group and others too, that there

[3:24:24] Voice 27: is, it is listed as a fish bearing stream. So I feel this information on the website by the

[3:24:32] Voice 27: developer is not accurate. It's a priceless estuary. If you go forward with this thing,

[3:24:39] Voice 27: it'll never go back. This is the last chance. So like I say, please look at other options to

[3:24:45] Voice 27: to restore this estuary.

[3:24:48] Voice 27: The beauty, the diversity, everything.

[3:24:52] Voice 27: It's incredible.

[3:24:53] Voice 25: Okay, thank you, Frans, for rolling the dice.

[3:24:56] Voice 27: You've

[3:24:56] Trustee Luckham: gone over your time, thank you for joining us.

[3:25:01] Trustee Luckham: David Rumsey is the next speaker,

[3:25:04] Trustee Luckham: and please try and contain yourself to two minutes.

[3:25:08] Voice 17: Yes, thank you.

[3:25:10] Voice 17: I would like to, my name is David Rumsey.

[3:25:14] Voice 17: This is the first trust meeting I've ever attended.

[3:25:17] Voice 17: I'd like to thank the chair and I don't represent any particular group other than myself

[3:25:23] Voice 17: and several other friends that I know that live here on south end and we would like to speak in

[3:25:29] Voice 17: favor of the vortex development. The loss of the Fulford harbor has been a great or loss of the

[3:25:38] Voice 17: Fulford Inn was a great loss. It was an invaluable gathering place on the south end. There were a

[3:25:44] Voice 17: a number of formal and informal groups that met there, including groups that I was involved with,

[3:25:50] Voice 17: and there was a well-known pizza night that met there. It was a really great place to just connect,

[3:25:56] Voice 17: even being able to avoid having to drive all the way into the Fulford Village with its parking

[3:26:04] Voice 17: and its ferry issues. So bringing a valuable gathering space, I think, has a real community

[3:26:11] Voice 17: benefit. Secondly, I would say there is a benefit to having accommodations in the south end.

[3:26:16] Voice 17: There are very few accommodations for those of us who can't, you know, can't basically host

[3:26:22] Voice 17: friends or relatives. Instead, you've got to refer them to drive all the way into Ganges back and

[3:26:27] Voice 17: forth. So there is, you know, some environmental benefit and a safety benefit to having

[3:26:33] Voice 17: accommodations locally. And secondly, providing commercial accommodations will actually reduce

[3:26:39] Voice 17: reduce the demand for these illegal suites or the Airbnb's, so that those suites that would

[3:26:48] Voice 17: normally be sent out can actually be used as long-term rentals. Secondly, I don't think,

[3:26:56] Voice 17: you know, I certainly understand the environmental impact and importance, as well as the historical

[3:27:03] Voice 17: importance of the area. And I don't think that these two things are necessarily mutually

[3:27:08] Voice 17: mutually exclusive. I think that we can certainly have a gathering space that can provide education

[3:27:15] Voice 17: about the environmental sensitivity of the area, as well as the historical importance of the area,

[3:27:22] Voice 17: both from a First Nations and from a settler perspective, because it has been used for so long.

[3:27:28] Voice 17: I also feel that there's a benefit to having a property there that is supervised

[3:27:34] Voice 17: with some public access, if it turns out to be...

[3:27:38] Trustee Luckham: I will

[3:27:38] Trustee Luckham: note that your time has expired, sir.

[3:27:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:27:43] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:27:44] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much for bringing that message.

[3:27:46] Trustee Luckham: Lastly,

[3:27:47] Voice 20: I would just say...

[3:27:52] Voice 20: Anne Gunn is our next speaker.

[3:27:59] Voice 20: Thanks,

[3:28:00] Voice 3: Chair Luckin.

[3:28:02] Voice 3: Death by a thousand cuts is a well-worn phrase

[3:28:06] Voice 3: describing cumulative effects,

[3:28:07] Voice 3: but experience tells us that it is a very apt phrase

[3:28:10] Voice 3: for summarizing cumulative effects.

[3:28:14] Voice 3: And so, for example, what would happen when we add effects of runoff

[3:28:18] Voice 3: from the vortex parking lots, additional to as well as light pollution

[3:28:23] Voice 3: from all the motel buildings, which are designed to face Crawford Creek

[3:28:28] Voice 3: and then the estuary?

[3:28:31] Voice 3: And just in case you wondered, SANS shows light is acute to marine creatures

[3:28:37] Voice 3: like mussels so they know where to settle and live their lives. Light pollution alters that.

[3:28:44] Voice 3: If we lose the smaller creatures, we lose the larger ones like herons, fish and otters that

[3:28:51] Voice 3: feed on them. Concerns about cumulative effects then become more urgent, way more urgent in a

[3:28:59] Voice 3: a climate emergency. So my question to you, the trustees, and I should say, thanks for doing a

[3:29:08] Voice 3: difficult job on behalf of the public, because it can't be easy. But my question to you is,

[3:29:14] Voice 3: how certain are you that the Vortex DVP and DP assessments adequately included cumulative effects

[3:29:23] Voice 3: and climate change, and that there will be no negative effects

[3:29:28] Voice 3: on Fulford and Sewell Creeks and Fulford Estuary.

[3:29:32] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:29:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[3:29:37] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for keeping within the time.

[3:29:41] Trustee Luckham: Ryder Burgrad, sorry for the pronunciation.

[3:29:45] Voice 31: That's all right.

[3:29:48] Voice 31: Yeah, I wanted to bring up a single point,

[3:29:50] Voice 31: which is that the scope and scale of this potentially resort is

[3:30:00] Voice 31: And also the way it's being marketed is as sort of a luxury place.

[3:30:06] Voice 31: And also the developer, the proponent, in a different article from a couple of years

[3:30:13] Voice 31: ago, laments that, well, you know, Salt Spring gets a lot of attention from big publications

[3:30:20] Voice 31: like the New York Times that the South End doesn't get any of that attention.

[3:30:23] Voice 31: And so it seems to me like this is almost on the scale of, you know, wanting he wants to make this an international destination, and that this is incompatible with the issue of affordable housing that bringing having a large resort, and like more international

[3:30:44] Voice 31: attention on Salt Spring would drive up housing prices and real estate prices and is is one of

[3:30:52] Voice 31: you know several drivers of of making real estate more expensive on Salt Spring but I think an

[3:30:58] Voice 31: important one to consider here.

[3:31:03] Voice 25: Okay thank you very much sir for that message. I'll go to Ian

[3:31:08] Voice 25: Peace next.

[3:31:14] Voice 20: Thank you Chair Luckham. I'm

[3:31:16] Voice 28: speaking regarding the Vortex project. November 30th I

[3:31:20] Voice 28: I wrote to the trustees about excavating the fill

[3:31:22] Voice 28: that previous developers deposited in the estuary,

[3:31:25] Voice 28: and the purpose of that removal is to restore habitat

[3:31:27] Voice 28: for fish and other species.

[3:31:28] Voice 28: Shifting the building sites to higher ground

[3:31:31] Voice 28: makes space for habitat.

[3:31:33] Voice 28: Today, estuary restoration is the zeitgeist

[3:31:37] Voice 28: of the Salish Sea.

[3:31:38] Voice 28: The examples are numerous.

[3:31:39] Voice 28: In Comox, First Nations and local governments

[3:31:41] Voice 28: are restoring the site of a former sawmill.

[3:31:43] Voice 28: This entails removing the old infrastructure,

[3:31:45] Voice 28: like foundations, and restoring natural tidal marshes

[3:31:48] Voice 28: for fish and other wildlife. Fifteen similar estuary restoration projects dot BC's coast,

[3:31:55] Voice 28: Salmon River, Nanaimo River and many others. Much larger scale projects like removing sections of

[3:32:01] Voice 28: Vancouver Harbours, Skewes and Jetty are already performing to the degree that all five juvenile

[3:32:06] Voice 28: salmon species find better access to the estuary. In the period 1860 to 1991, Puget Sound, like

[3:32:14] Voice 28: other areas, suffered the loss of 75% of estuarine habitat, largely due to dumping fill into estuaries.

[3:32:21] Voice 28: One main reason for this zeitgeist is the catastrophic decline in salmon species.

[3:32:25] Voice 28: The government of Canada lists loss of salmon as a threat to orca populations.

[3:32:30] Voice 28: To keep it sound, estuary habitat is considered much, quote, much more important for rearing

[3:32:35] Voice 28: juvenile chinook than spawning habitat, unquote. One reason estuaries are so important is that

[3:32:41] Voice 28: juvenile fish traveled between them. It's reasonable to expect a restored Fulford

[3:32:45] Voice 28: Sioux Creek estuary would support regional fish populations. Thus far, I discussed restoration

[3:32:51] Voice 28: of the estuary from the perspective of conservation. However, for thousands of years,

[3:32:55] Voice 28: Indigenous peoples demonstrated the utility of enhancing estuary productivity by installing

[3:32:59] Voice 28: structures that slow ebb tide waters return to the sea. These techniques show promise for developers

[3:33:05] Voice 28: that wish to attract conservation-minded visitors. It's easy to find statements that all SSI

[3:33:10] Voice 28: residents mean to preserve and protect to be good stewards with the stroke of a pen mr fullbrook can

[3:33:17] Voice 28: restore and enhance the estuary on the largest fish bearing stream in the southern belt islands

[3:33:21] Voice 28: i urge mr fullbrook to recalculate the difficult compromises he faces and bias his decision in

[3:33:27] Voice 28: favor of long-term conservation principles thank you okay

[3:33:32] Trustee Luckham: thank you mr peace for your message

[3:33:35] Trustee Luckham: and I'm going to go to our last speaker on the list here,

[3:33:39] Trustee Luckham: Andre

[3:33:39] Voice 20: Martel, over to you.

[3:33:50] Voice 20: Andre, you'll have to unmute yourself.

[3:33:55] Voice 25: Thank you.

[3:33:56] Voice 25: Can you hear me?

[3:33:57] Voice 25: I can, yes.

[3:33:58] Voice 25: Thank you.

[3:33:59] Voice 4: It's me thanking you for this opportunity.

[3:34:02] Voice 4: I am an aquatic biologist.

[3:34:05] Voice 4: I work on freshwater mussels across Canada

[3:34:09] Voice 4: and I'm simply here to say that Filford Creek

[3:34:13] Voice 4: Creek has a population of declining freshwater mussel.

[3:34:18] Voice 4: It's a freshwater mussel species.

[3:34:19] Voice 4: It is linked to the coho and cutthroat trout.

[3:34:22] Voice 4: I was hoping to be able to listen to Cathy Rimmer today.

[3:34:26] Voice 4: And you've got good experts on salmonids on your island,

[3:34:31] Voice 4: that's for sure.

[3:34:32] Voice 4: I work on freshwater mussels

[3:34:34] Voice 4: among some of the rivers across Vancouver Island.

[3:34:37] Voice 4: We recently discovered just, I think, in 2016 or 2017,

[3:34:41] Voice 4: that Fulford Creek has a unique population

[3:34:45] Voice 4: of a long-lived freshwater mussel

[3:34:47] Voice 4: called the Western Pearl Shell.

[3:34:48] Voice 4: So you've got that right there near the site.

[3:34:51] Voice 4: I am not in favor or against the site.

[3:34:53] Voice 4: All I'm saying is providing information

[3:34:56] Voice 4: that might be worth to consider

[3:34:59] Voice 4: in terms of what biodiversity you've got right there

[3:35:02] Voice 4: above the tide line, all the way up to the creek

[3:35:05] Voice 4: and way up towards the headwater.

[3:35:07] Voice 4: That is a mussel species

[3:35:09] Voice 4: that is known to be a very good indicator

[3:35:11] Voice 4: of ecological integrity it requires the cutthroat trout or coho salmon to make its own muscle babies

[3:35:17] Voice 4: they attach on its gills on the gills of the fish for some weeks of the year so there there's a nice

[3:35:24] Voice 4: connectivity between muscles these freshwater muscles and the salmonids in your creek so this

[3:35:30] Voice 4: muscle population as far as we know may be the only one of the southern gulf islands that has

[3:35:36] Voice 4: yet to be determined but it's it's likely that you've got right there in felford creek one of

[3:35:41] Voice 4: the rare populations of the western pearl shell among all of the gulf islands so worthwhile

[3:35:47] Voice 4: protecting for sure considering for any development for sure and uh again that's all i wanted to say

[3:35:54] Voice 4: and i i thank you for this opportunity to uh you know to listen to my my point of view as a i guess

[3:36:00] Voice 4: a muscle expert across canada that's what i do thank you so much well

[3:36:07] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much for

[3:36:08] Trustee Luckham: for bringing your knowledge to the local trust committee

[3:36:11] Trustee Luckham: and appreciate that.

[3:36:14] Trustee Luckham: And that's a very interesting bit of information.

[3:36:18] Trustee Luckham: All right then, so that concludes our town hall session.

[3:36:22] Trustee Luckham: I want to thank all of you that have spoken today

[3:36:24] Trustee Luckham: and coming and sharing with us your thoughts

[3:36:26] Trustee Luckham: and wisdom and knowledge.

[3:36:29] Trustee Luckham: And we're going to now proceed

[3:36:30] Trustee Luckham: with applications and referrals.

[3:36:33] Trustee Luckham: And the first item on our agenda

[3:36:35] Trustee Luckham: is indeed the Development App Variance Permit

[3:36:41] Trustee Luckham: at 2621-2661 Fulford Ganges Road.

[3:36:45] Trustee Luckham: And I think it's Julie Verville

[3:36:47] Trustee Luckham: with Kirsten Wright Architecture

[3:36:51] Trustee Luckham: is the representative of this application.

[3:36:55] Trustee Luckham: And I'm just going to turn this over to staff.

[3:37:00] Trustee Luckham: Julia, I know that you want to make a presentation.

[3:37:03] Trustee Luckham: you're gonna take us to your website, I believe.

[3:37:05] Trustee Luckham: And that may be at this at 16.1 or 16.2,

[3:37:10] Trustee Luckham: but I'll let you lead that.

[3:37:12] Trustee Luckham: We normally do a reporting process from staff.

[3:37:15] Trustee Luckham: And then we look to the applicant

[3:37:17] Trustee Luckham: for what you would like to contribute to that reporting out

[3:37:22] Trustee Luckham: to the LTC.

[3:37:23] Trustee Luckham: And then we'd have a conversation at the LTC,

[3:37:25] Trustee Luckham: but we'll be a little flexible here

[3:37:28] Trustee Luckham: with our timing and our methodology.

[3:37:30] Trustee Luckham: As you well know, and as you've well heard now,

[3:37:34] Trustee Luckham: we've certainly had lots of feedback

[3:37:35] Trustee Luckham: with respect to this project.

[3:37:37] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to turn to staff here now

[3:37:41] Trustee Luckham: to brief us on the report.

[3:37:45] Trustee Luckham: And this is a Planner Yeomans, I believe.

[3:37:48] Trustee Luckham: And then we'll go to the applicant or the property owner

[3:37:54] Trustee Luckham: or whomever you think is the representative here

[3:37:57] Trustee Luckham: at Planner Yeomans.

[3:37:58] Trustee Luckham: So over to you, Plan Gilman.

[3:38:00] Voice 26: Okay, thank you, Chair Lockham.

[3:38:02] Voice 26: I'm just going to share my screen now,

[3:38:04] Voice 26: if that's acceptable to you.

[3:38:07] Voice 20: Thank you.

[3:38:19] Voice 26: All right, are you seeing the slide that's up there?

[3:38:21] Voice 25: Yes, we are.

[3:38:22] Voice 26: Okay, thanks.

[3:38:26] Voice 26: Much has been said already,

[3:38:28] Voice 26: so I'll be treading some terrain

[3:38:30] Voice 26: that's already been covered, I think.

[3:38:33] Voice 26: This development variance permit application

[3:38:35] Voice 26: relates to a proposed commercial accommodation development

[3:38:38] Voice 26: development at 2661 and 2621 Fulford Ganges Road most Salt Spring Islanders know it as the site of

[3:38:46] Voice 26: the former Fulford Inn the proposed development is located on two adjacent properties and the

[3:38:53] Voice 26: area proposed for development is split zoned one portion of it is owned commercial accommodation

[3:38:58] Voice 26: too and the other is zone commercial accommodation to be these zoning designations allow for a range

[3:39:05] Voice 26: of commercial guest accommodation configuration uses

[3:39:08] Voice 26: and also a restaurant as well as a permitted principal use.

[3:39:14] Voice 26: The applicant is proposing

[3:39:15] Voice 26: 17 commercial guest accommodation units

[3:39:17] Voice 26: in three different configurations,

[3:39:19] Voice 26: as well as a restaurant and some accessory retail space.

[3:39:22] Voice 26: You should be seeing the proposed site plan

[3:39:24] Voice 26: on the screen there,

[3:39:25] Voice 26: which gives you a sense of how things will be arrayed

[3:39:28] Voice 26: across the two subject properties.

[3:39:31] Voice 26: As many of the speakers just indicated during town hall

[3:39:34] Voice 26: and during the delegations,

[3:39:37] Voice 26: The site is particularly unique. It is bounded on the north by Fulford Creek,

[3:39:44] Voice 26: which as has been identified, it is one of 15 designated sensitive streams in the province.

[3:39:51] Voice 26: It's bounded to the south by Soul Creek, a small stream that begins a little further up the valley.

[3:39:59] Voice 26: And it's bounded to the north by the mouth of Fulford Harbor or the top of Fulford Harbor,

[3:40:04] Voice 26: which of course is home to a number of unique shoreline and estuarine habitat. And while the

[3:40:10] Voice 26: proposed site of development has experienced significant disturbance over the past decades,

[3:40:15] Voice 26: it is nonetheless a recorded archaeological site. This variance permit application is a reprise of

[3:40:24] Voice 26: one that the Local Trust Committee considered and issued in December of 2019. That permit,

[3:40:31] Voice 26: SSDBP 2018.7 expired in January of 2022.

[3:40:35] Voice 26: You can see here on the screen,

[3:40:37] Voice 26: this excerpt from local government act section 504,

[3:40:40] Voice 26: that if construction does not begin

[3:40:43] Voice 26: within two years of permit issuance,

[3:40:46] Voice 26: then permits expire.

[3:40:48] Voice 26: And so by necessity,

[3:40:50] Voice 26: the applicant was asked to reapply in December of this year,

[3:40:54] Voice 26: sorry, December of last year, December, 2021.

[3:40:59] Voice 26: Maybe I'll just take a moment to say it brought no joy to us to deliver that message to the

[3:41:05] Voice 26: applicant and certainly no joy to the applicant to hear that message that he would be needing

[3:41:10] Voice 26: to reapply and to retread this ground that we're discussing here today.

[3:41:15] Voice 26: But to the applicant's credit, he applied quickly in order to expedite this process.

[3:41:22] Voice 26: the variances that are being sought by the applicant remain the same as they were when

[3:41:29] Voice 26: the ltc considered this in 2019 there is a variance permit request to site buildings and

[3:41:36] Voice 26: structures closer to the internal lot line that separates the two subject properties that are

[3:41:41] Voice 26: proposed for redevelopment essentially reducing the setback from the 15 meters that zoning

[3:41:46] Voice 26: otherwise requires to seven meters on one side of that lot line and three meters on the other

[3:41:52] Voice 26: The applicant is also requesting a variance to allow the siting of underground septic tanks upwards of 1.5 meters from the front lot line along Fulford Ganges Road.

[3:42:09] Voice 26: Normally, it would be a 7.5 meter lot line set back there.

[3:42:15] Voice 26: I think probably most germane to today's discussion, the applicant is seeking a

[3:42:20] Voice 26: variance permit to locate a sewage disposal field up to 10 meters from Soul Creek and up to 26

[3:42:25] Voice 26: meters from the natural boundary of the sea, in this case, Fulford Harbor. Ordinarily, the land

[3:42:32] Voice 26: use bylaw requires a setback of 30 meters from the natural boundary of all water bodies. And so

[3:42:38] Voice 26: that's the reduction that the applicant is requesting the permit that was ultimately

[3:42:44] Voice 26: issued by the ltc in 2019 includes a monitoring requirement so that monitoring requirement remains

[3:42:54] Voice 26: within the permit that the ltc is being asked to consider anew at this meeting here today

[3:43:02] Voice 26: the applicant has included a sewage system concept plan designed by a professional licensee in civil

[3:43:07] Voice 26: engineering who's authorized to design construct and maintain sewage systems uh that concept plan

[3:43:12] Voice 26: as well as a number of supplementary memos in response to questions that staff have raised over

[3:43:18] Voice 26: the course of the preceding months is included and are included as appendices in your staff report

[3:43:23] Voice 26: hopefully you've had some time to review those and give some consideration to what they contain

[3:43:30] Voice 26: You know, in summary, I guess, the applicant's professional that has designed the sewage treatment system indicates that the system that they plan to install will exceed what the provincial standard practice manual for sewage systems otherwise requires and will meet a set of performance objectives that this professional attests are higher than what would otherwise be expected.

[3:43:59] Voice 26: of them. As he states here in this excerpt, the level of risk mitigation plan is significantly

[3:44:04] Voice 26: higher than for a typical on-site sewerage system. Nonetheless, given the sensitive nature of the

[3:44:14] Voice 26: site, staff's recommendation remains the same as it was in 2019, which is that we are in support

[3:44:20] Voice 26: of the setback reductions requested for the purpose of siting buildings and structures.

[3:44:26] Voice 26: It makes sense from a site design perspective to treat both subject lots as a single site of development.

[3:44:35] Voice 26: And so if the applicant wishes to site buildings closer to those interior lot lines or indeed the septic tanks closer to the front lot line than is otherwise required,

[3:44:45] Voice 26: Staff have no concerns about that, particularly as the underground septic tanks don't cause any sort of traffic impact from the use of the roadway standard.

[3:44:58] Voice 26: They don't cause any sight lines to be compromised or anything like that.

[3:45:04] Voice 26: We are not, however, in support of reducing the setback from the natural boundary of water bodies for the purpose of siting the sewage disposal field.

[3:45:14] Voice 26: The 30-metre water body setback in the land use by-law is there to protect water quality and the staff are not in support of reducing that.

[3:45:26] Voice 26: The applicant has provided potential siting for a sewage disposal field that is 30 metres from Soul Creek.

[3:45:34] Voice 26: I will show that to you now.

[3:45:38] Voice 26: The trade-off there is that it would now be sited closer to Fulford Creek, though not within 30 metres of it.

[3:45:44] Voice 26: and also require potentially land works in a previously undisturbed area, which could have

[3:45:49] Voice 26: archaeological implications, though I think the applicant is probably better equipped than I am

[3:45:54] Voice 26: to speak to what those potential implications or trade-offs there might be.

[3:46:00] Voice 26: So staff's recommendation is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee amend

[3:46:03] Voice 26: development permit SSDDP 2021. Yes, right. Amend the development permit to remove clauses 3.3,

[3:46:12] Voice 26: clause four schedule number three and schedule number four make consequential numbering alterations

[3:46:17] Voice 26: to affect this change and issue the permit as amended the implications of this resolution

[3:46:23] Voice 26: are that the provisions in the development variance permit included as appendix one in

[3:46:28] Voice 26: your staff report would be struck any provisions related to reducing the setback from the natural

[3:46:37] Voice 26: boundary of water bodies for the siting of the sewage disposal field would be struck and you

[3:46:41] Voice 26: would be left with a permit that authorizes those lot line setbacks for buildings and structures but

[3:46:46] Voice 26: not for the sewage disposal field i recognize that were the ltc to strike those provisions

[3:46:54] Voice 26: it may necessitate a site redesign on the part of the applicant if he if he chooses to revisit

[3:47:02] Voice 26: those sewer deciding options in which case this variance permit absent the

[3:47:08] Voice 26: the sewage disposal field setback reductions may not be useful to him anymore because he

[3:47:14] Voice 26: may have to reconfigure some buildings and structures to accommodate a sewage disposal

[3:47:21] Voice 26: field that's fully outside of the setbacks.

[3:47:25] Voice 26: The staff report that you've been provided includes a range of alternative options.

[3:47:32] Voice 26: Those include just issuing the permit as presented and as it was issued in 2019.

[3:47:37] Voice 26: As well, we do touch on the option of referring the file to First Nations for their review and comment.

[3:47:47] Voice 26: So on this latter point, I'll note that I was contacted by Harvey Underwood, who is the chief of the SAO First Nation, and he was looking for more information about the file.

[3:47:58] Voice 26: subsequent to that senior intergovernmental policy advisor lisa wilcox and i met with chief underwood

[3:48:07] Voice 26: and some of his land staff as you know seo first nation has a reserve on fulford harbor

[3:48:14] Voice 26: strong treaty and territorial interests in the area and you know that's kind of legalistic

[3:48:20] Voice 26: language and i would purport to speak on behalf of the chief for the nation but it was clear from

[3:48:26] Voice 26: our conversation that fulford harbor is an important place to them and if possible they

[3:48:32] Voice 26: would be interested in an opportunity to provide their perspectives on on this application it isn't

[3:48:40] Voice 26: standard sort of application processing policy at the staff level to refer variance permits to

[3:48:47] Voice 26: nations however the ltc is able to do so as a discretionary decision if it believes that there's

[3:48:53] Voice 26: information that say it can provide that might help inform the ltc's decision about the variance

[3:48:58] Voice 26: permits being requested and uh i think that's all i've got to say on that for the moment

[3:49:07] Voice 26: thank you chair locke okay

[3:49:09] Trustee Luckham: thank you so um i'll ask the applicant if they wish to uh

[3:49:15] Trustee Luckham: address the local trust committee at this time

[3:49:17] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:49:25] Voice 25: see David Fulbrook and Julie Berville.

[3:49:29] Voice 25: Who would like to lead here?

[3:49:34] Voice 32: I suppose I should lead.

[3:49:36] Voice 32: Okay.

[3:49:38] Voice 32: I think the intent with bringing this forward quickly was that we'd already visited this subject when this application was supported in January of 2020.

[3:49:51] Voice 32: You may recall that we divided the development permits for the overall proposal into two pieces.

[3:50:03] Voice 32: Our intent was that the variances informed the overall technical design of the project and the remaining development permits.

[3:50:13] Voice 32: And if we were not able to have the variance, particularly as relates to the siting of the septic field, that would, as Jason has indicated, that would have required that we relocate the septic field to a location where soils conditions were less beneficial.

[3:50:33] Voice 32: I think fundamental to our position at that time was this is the location of the actual septic field that serviced the Fulford Inn.

[3:50:41] Voice 32: And case law at the time, as we reviewed with council, was that that existing septic field could be repurposed and reused.

[3:50:53] Voice 32: So those were the fundamental reasoning behind the development variance permit.

[3:50:58] Voice 32: it but implicit in that was this concept of this is this is the infrastructure that services the

[3:51:06] Voice 32: site we need to understand where that infrastructure is going to be located and how it's going to

[3:51:11] Voice 32: operate because that informs the the completion of the the remaining design so the intent of

[3:51:17] Voice 32: breaking the application to these two pieces was so that we could understand really what the

[3:51:23] Voice 32: the conditions were for the remaining development work

[3:51:26] Voice 32: that we had to do on the site.

[3:51:30] Voice 32: So I think our position remains the same.

[3:51:33] Voice 32: We came in good faith seeking support

[3:51:37] Voice 32: and we received that support

[3:51:39] Voice 32: and then we did the remaining work

[3:51:41] Voice 32: and that development permit is before you today.

[3:51:45] Voice 32: I think it's also fair to say

[3:51:47] Voice 32: that we've worked in good faith throughout that process.

[3:51:52] Voice 32: It's been a long application process, particularly for a development permit, and we've gone through many, many iterations of various details, designs, and refining the work that was done two years or so ago that brings us to where we are today.

[3:52:14] Voice 32: day so in summary um we we would seek to to really revisit that support from the trustees

[3:52:22] Voice 32: thank you okay

[3:52:25] Trustee Luckham: thank you now i don't know do trustees want to ask uh individual questions of

[3:52:30] Trustee Luckham: uh mr fulbrook and miss verville or do you want to

[3:52:34] Voice 25: just hear from both parties and then

[3:52:35] Voice 25: address your questions if you have any option

[3:52:40] Trustee Grove: two i'd suggest okay

[3:52:41] Voice 25: so uh julia verville over to you

[3:52:47] Voice 10: You mean for the presentation that we can make? Okay.

[3:52:52] Voice 10: Whatever

[3:52:53] Trustee Luckham: you'd like to present to the LTC.

[3:52:55] Voice 10: Absolutely. I'll be able to share my screen. We have three other people,

[3:53:00] Voice 10: three other experts who work on this project and I was wondering that we can

[3:53:07] Voice 10: allow them to speak as well. How

[3:53:11] Trustee Luckham: much time do you expect to need here today?

[3:53:15] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:53:16] Voice 10: think, David, probably like...

[3:53:20] Voice 32: We're going to try to expedite it, but I'd say 20 minutes.

[3:53:26] Trustee Luckham: So is that okay? It's a little unusual to have that kind of a presentation,

[3:53:30] Trustee Luckham: but I'm getting nods from the trustees. So yeah, 20 minutes. Let's go.

[3:53:35] Voice 10: Okay. I don't know who can allow people to join to speak, but we have Jennifer Kaye,

[3:53:41] Voice 10: lina malvist ian ian ralston and ian sender they they are all i think in the other like

[3:53:50] Voice 10: attendance attendees yeah

[3:53:52] Trustee Luckham: so uh rob pringle can you enable them to uh speak and remind everybody

[3:53:57] Trustee Luckham: to be respectful of not only trustees and the public that's joining us but all the friends

[3:54:02] Trustee Luckham: friends and family that are online here today.

[3:54:05] Voice 10: Yes. And I'll just use that presentation and we'll use the website,

[3:54:14] Voice 10: which I think we share with our planner, with Jason.

[3:54:19] Voice 29: Julie,

[3:54:19] Voice 10: sorry to interrupt.

[3:54:22] Voice 29: You mentioned Ian and Jennifer, who I have promoted,

[3:54:28] Voice 29: but I did not get the third name.

[3:54:30] Voice 29: yeah

[3:54:31] Voice 10: no problem there's two ian there's a ian ralston and ian sender that

[3:54:40] Voice 29: uh ian sender is not

[3:54:43] Voice 29: uh listed as an attendee lena malmkist yes

[3:54:48] Voice 10: yeah lena yeah

[3:54:50] Voice 29: lena okay but

[3:54:52] Voice 10: you don't see ian sender

[3:54:54] Voice 10: i

[3:54:55] Voice 29: do not maybe

[3:54:57] Voice 10: he did not maybe when he um logged in he went into the um

[3:55:01] Voice 10: not the attendee one, but the other.

[3:55:06] Voice 10: So I'll send him in.

[3:55:07] Voice 29: Watching a live stream.

[3:55:08] Voice 29: Yeah, exactly.

[3:55:10] Voice 10: If he switches to

[3:55:10] Voice 29: attend, I will keep an eye out for that.

[3:55:14] Voice 10: Perfect.

[3:55:15] Voice 29: Name and promote when possible.

[3:55:18] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:55:19] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[3:55:20] Voice 10: Are you able to see my screen right now?

[3:55:22] Voice 15: Yes.

[3:55:23] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:55:24] Voice 10: Excellent.

[3:55:25] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:55:26] Voice 10: So then, David, I'll turn it over to you.

[3:55:31] Voice 10: and you tell me when you want me to put the website.

[3:55:35] Voice 32: Great. Thank you, Julie.

[3:55:37] Voice 32: I may be bringing up, first, I think just slide two,

[3:55:43] Voice 32: if we could take a moment to recognize that these proceedings are occurring

[3:55:47] Voice 32: on the territorial lands of the Coast Salish,

[3:55:50] Voice 32: and in particular that the site that we're discussing today

[3:55:53] Voice 32: is on the territorial lands of the Sayout First Nation.

[3:55:57] Voice 32: I wanted to begin by thanking obviously the chair and and the trustees and particularly staff

[3:56:07] Voice 32: we've been talking to Jason for a long time and we've we've I think worked collaboratively and

[3:56:14] Voice 32: that I think that process is has helped us and informed our our design elements

[3:56:20] Voice 32: um the website which i think if we could move to uh julie if that's possible this website was

[3:56:29] Voice 32: was put together um not by a marketing group it was put together by myself and my wife chris who

[3:56:36] Voice 32: who reside on isabel point road and the intent of the well the website was really to just try

[3:56:42] Voice 32: to provide information to people and in in contrast to sort of online dialogue that that

[3:56:48] Voice 32: that happens from time to time.

[3:56:50] Voice 32: What the website provides is links

[3:56:52] Voice 32: to all the technical information, the data.

[3:56:58] Voice 32: I can't come here today and petition

[3:57:02] Voice 32: for the approval of this project

[3:57:04] Voice 32: without expressing my support for many of the people

[3:57:07] Voice 32: that have spoken here today,

[3:57:09] Voice 32: particularly the people that are speaking in opposition

[3:57:12] Voice 32: and the concerns that they have.

[3:57:13] Voice 32: I share those concerns.

[3:57:15] Voice 32: In fact, it's those concerns that drove me to take action to acquire the property and to be here today speaking to you.

[3:57:24] Voice 32: The website is there to give the information to people so that they can understand what we're trying to accomplish.

[3:57:32] Voice 32: What the website doesn't do is it doesn't really explain the vision for the project.

[3:57:37] Voice 32: People from time to time say they like the name, they don't like the name.

[3:57:43] Voice 32: name. The Vortex name was inspired by what I sort of see as Salt Spring Island. I see this

[3:57:50] Voice 32: mixture of cultures of history, the First Nations, the Kanakas, the Black settlers,

[3:57:58] Voice 32: the heritage farmers, all these waves of people that have come here, including everybody in this

[3:58:04] Voice 32: room who have shaped this island and continue to shape this island. So I can't really speak today

[3:58:10] Voice 32: without acknowledging that the people that are speaking in opposition to this project I'm on

[3:58:16] Voice 32: your side I share your perspective and in many ways that has inspired us to try to create a

[3:58:23] Voice 32: project that in this development permit stage meets very high standards of of water quality

[3:58:31] Voice 32: so that we create long-term sustainable stewardship for Fulford Creek Fulford Harbor

[3:58:38] Voice 32: Harbor, Soul Creek, and the estuary.

[3:58:44] Voice 32: The concepts, if we can just move to the site plan, the concept for the vortex, this mixing,

[3:58:56] Voice 32: this coalescence of different and disparate groups of people is really in contradiction

[3:59:01] Voice 32: to the world that we live in today.

[3:59:03] Voice 32: We don't have these gathering places.

[3:59:05] Voice 32: If we look at this site plan, the most distinctive architectural component of the site plan is the fact that there are not walls and gates.

[3:59:15] Voice 32: There are pathways that lead to a public square where people can use this site and use it in any way that they wish as part of a public space.

[3:59:28] Voice 32: space. It complements Drummond Park and it enriches Fulford Village and expands the sense

[3:59:36] Voice 32: of community within the South Island. What I'd like to do just to, this website, I'm hoping that

[3:59:46] Voice 32: people have had a chance to see it. If you could maybe move down to the objectives component of

[3:59:52] Voice 32: this. I'm not going to go through this whole website, I promise you. Just one more down. Thank you.

[4:00:00] Voice 32: Julie. If just the whole piece. Thank you. The, the, the intent of this design, the vision for

[4:00:10] Voice 32: the project is not a single outcome. It is a balancing of the values that I believe our

[4:00:18] Voice 32: community in, in totality support. It's, it's aligning with the official community plan. It's,

[4:00:27] Voice 32: It's ensuring that this essential amenity to our community is restored, which is this cherished community and gathering place.

[4:00:37] Voice 32: It rehabilitates the current brownfield condition and stops the ongoing degradation that is occurring on site, which is something that I deal with on a regular basis.

[4:00:50] Voice 32: It allows us to restore the sensitive habitat components of the site.

[4:00:59] Voice 32: It intends to replace all the invasive plant species that are currently on site and replace those all with native plant species.

[4:01:11] Voice 32: The level of development is so high that the project would be appropriate for a Green Shores designation for ecologically sensitive development.

[4:01:24] Voice 32: We've delineated these riparian areas in such a way as we could establish a covenant over these sensitive ecological areas.

[4:01:32] Voice 32: And many of these groups that have spoken today could, in fact, be the stewards of those areas and be the principal holder of those covenants.

[4:01:42] Voice 32: We have engaged in ongoing discussion with local First Nations to an extent where we've been issued a conditional letter of support from Say Out First Nations, which although the Islands Trust couldn't meet the conditions that Say Out First Nation were requesting, which is that a Say Out representative be on site for any site investigation work, but they could ask that we provide that assurance, which we would do.

[4:02:11] Voice 32: do. Could you just push us down to just maybe the timeline? Maybe a little. There we go.

[4:02:27] Voice 32: We've been at this for some time. I just wanted to again point out to May 2019 that in good faith

[4:02:36] Voice 32: we approached the Islands Trust over this development variance permit. That would have

[4:02:41] Voice 32: informed all the subsequent decisions. The fact that we're here today to again

[4:02:48] Voice 32: discuss this development variance permit means that all the subsequent work that has been done

[4:02:54] Voice 32: is really at risk of being lost and having to be revisited and replanned again.

[4:02:59] Voice 32: We're now I think close to 11 years since the property was effectively abandoned by prior

[4:03:06] Voice 32: ownership. It sat vacant without anybody taking an interest in it for seven years until I got

[4:03:14] Voice 32: involved in the property. And if you could just quickly scan down to the team, I'll introduce

[4:03:20] Voice 32: the remaining speakers. I think the economic benefits of the site, the fact that the project

[4:03:28] Voice 32: project would set the table, create a meaningful gateway for, for visitors to the, to the,

[4:03:37] Voice 32: to Salt Spring Island would create a more economically sustainable visitor economy

[4:03:43] Voice 32: where we are, we are really trying to provide an experience versus just, just the cost of a

[4:03:51] Voice 32: nightly stay in accommodation. But also we've really met the bar, a very high bar for the

[4:03:58] Voice 32: development we've brought forward uh the best the best professionals that we can we've answered

[4:04:04] Voice 32: every question that's been brought forward to us and and uh so to that effect i'd like to move to

[4:04:11] Voice 32: to the riparian section julie just the other way other way the other way no yeah there you go and

[4:04:25] Voice 32: and i just asked lena malquist with uh with swell environmental to to speak to the riparian

[4:04:32] Voice 32: management plan. Lena, are you there?

[4:04:34] Voice 1: Yeah, I'm here. Thank you. Yeah, so I'm Lena Mulquist with

[4:04:39] Voice 1: Swell Environmental Consulting, a professional biologist. I've been working on the site

[4:04:46] Voice 1: for several years now and wanted to sort of overview the riparian work that we've

[4:04:53] Voice 1: been involved with. So as David talked about, the existing condition of this site is that it's

[4:05:00] Voice 1: It's a previously developed brownfield site, and it is surrounded on three sides by sensitive aquatic habitat.

[4:05:07] Voice 1: We've got Fulford Creek Estuary, Soul Creek, and Fulford Harbor.

[4:05:12] Voice 1: And as part of the development permitting application process completed, a riparian areas protection regulation report for Soul Creek, that's the freshwater section, that's on the south side of the property.

[4:05:24] Voice 1: So there's a short section of Soul Creek, which has a 10-meter streamside protection and enhancement area.

[4:05:30] Voice 1: And then there's a small tributary ditch as well that flows in.

[4:05:33] Voice 1: Both of those have spias on them, a 2-meter spia on the ditch and 10 meters on Soul Creek itself.

[4:05:41] Voice 1: And actually, the whole area south of the parking lot will be fenced for riparian protection,

[4:05:46] Voice 1: actually creating a larger area than the spia alone that's protected.

[4:05:50] Voice 1: And on the north side with the Fulford estuary, all of the development is set back more than 15 meters from the present natural boundary.

[4:06:00] Voice 1: And so the estuary itself remains completely intact.

[4:06:04] Voice 1: And there's quite a lot of invasive species on the site.

[4:06:08] Voice 1: So heavy, dense infestations of Scotch broom, Himalayan blackberry, agricultural grasses, lots of other weedy species that are on the property.

[4:06:17] Voice 1: And the idea is to retain any existing native vegetation and then to remove invasive species and replant the site with entirely native plants.

[4:06:28] Voice 1: So creating a much stronger, denser buffer between the developed portion of the site and the estuary and Soul Creek.

[4:06:38] Voice 1: creek. So dense shrubs and trees that will give a really nice buffer between that area which doesn't

[4:06:45] Voice 1: exist now. It's primarily Himalayan blackberry and with some red alder coming up. There are other

[4:06:53] Voice 1: species in there, of course, which we will retain the native species. Ultimately, ending up with

[4:06:58] Voice 1: over 60% of the site will be remaining as green space. And that those native species also

[4:07:06] Voice 1: incorporate the rainwater management for the site which Ian Sander is going to speak about but the

[4:07:12] Voice 1: rain gardens as well which are set back from both water bodies will also incorporate native species

[4:07:20] Voice 1: in the plantings of those those areas. As David mentioned the project is intending to apply for

[4:07:26] Voice 1: Green Shores certification and to make sure that people who visit the site public as well as the

[4:07:33] Voice 1: the people that will be staying there know about the sensitive nature of these sites.

[4:07:37] Voice 1: There will be fencing around the Soul Creek spears and signage periodically along the 15 meter boundary of the Fulford Creek estuary,

[4:07:48] Voice 1: indicating that they are protected riparian areas and then additionally interpretive signage,

[4:07:54] Voice 1: talking about the history and the ecology of the area to make sure that the folks that are visiting are really aware of the sensitive nature of that site.

[4:08:02] Voice 1: at the detailed design stage there will also be a site-specific environmental protection plan

[4:08:08] Voice 1: developed so that will include erosion sediment control spill prevention nesting bird surveys

[4:08:14] Voice 1: environmental monitoring etc so that's done sort of at the detailed design once the development

[4:08:20] Voice 1: concept is really fleshed out and we're able to know exactly what activities will happen and the

[4:08:26] Voice 1: type of construction that will be required i think that's everything i have to say at the moment

[4:08:35] Voice 20: Thank

[4:08:36] Voice 32: you, Lena. We'll just, if we could move down, I think with McElhaney engineering, I don't know, is Ian on the line?

[4:08:46] Voice 20: Ian, are you available? Just stop there for a moment. Has Ian showed up?

[4:08:58] Voice 32: Rob, is there a sign of McElhaney?

[4:09:00] Voice 32: I

[4:09:01] Voice 29: have not seen Ian McElhaney in our list if potentially he's logged in as a you know a

[4:09:10] Voice 29: different zoom name raising the hand would help the

[4:09:14] Voice 32: virtual can you raise it Ian can you raise

[4:09:16] Voice 32: your hand there we go

[4:09:18] Voice 32: okay thank you yeah

[4:09:19] Voice 10: he said I'm here just need to

[4:09:21] Voice 10: be let in

[4:09:23] Voice 20: yeah okay

[4:09:23] Voice 20: just back it

[4:09:32] Voice 32: up Ian Julie if we could just I think Ian would just speak quickly to the water

[4:09:37] Voice 32: there boy so i do apologize for the way we're doing this but it to the water uh julie there you

[4:09:50] Voice 32: go sorry

[4:09:52] Voice 33: folks i had some technical difficulties there uh yes with respect to the water um we've

[4:09:57] Voice 33: been working with the sillspring island fire department and the capitol regional district

[4:10:01] Voice 33: to evaluate expansion of the fulford harbor water service and um we've done some modeling uh

[4:10:09] Voice 33: provided initial reports and the proposal is to expand uh the full full fullford water service

[4:10:15] Voice 33: to the new project site in doing so uh we solved some some major issues with the existing water

[4:10:22] Voice 33: system so fundamentally uh the new development you can see it off to the um uh to the west there a

[4:10:30] Voice 33: new pipe will come up and extend up uh to the where it ends at fullford ganges but we'll also

[4:10:36] Voice 33: be replacing a significant amount of existing main that goes up Fulford Ganges towards the

[4:10:42] Voice 33: Fulford Reservoir and in doing so we provide an improved fire service for the area and so

[4:10:49] Voice 33: a big big portion of our efforts was coordinating with the fire department and the CRD to understand

[4:10:56] Voice 33: the system and then also find ways to service the existing development which the associated

[4:11:02] Voice 33: benefit is providing a much improved fire service to the area. In addition, McLean was also

[4:11:08] Voice 33: responsible for evaluation of the Fulford Harbour service about two years ago for the CRD, and so

[4:11:15] Voice 33: we're very familiar with this particular utility.

[4:11:25] Voice 20: Any other questions?

[4:11:26] Voice 32: Just quickly, I think one

[4:11:29] Voice 32: element about the water that's important to understand is that because the water is being

[4:11:33] Voice 32: delivered from weston lake which

[4:11:34] Voice 19: which

[4:11:35] Voice 32: has significant capacity the water is not being

[4:11:39] Voice 32: the water for the project is not being pulled from the existing water licenses from fulford

[4:11:44] Voice 32: creek and estuary and soul creek the fulford creek water license is uh is is open it doesn't

[4:11:52] Voice 32: have a specific limitation of water it's intended to service the the zoning for the site it's

[4:12:00] Voice 32: actually a water well that's built into the creek side. And then Ian, if you could just maybe speak

[4:12:05] Voice 32: to the stormwater management plan quickly. Thank you.

[4:12:08] Voice 33: Yeah, absolutely. So stormwater,

[4:12:12] Voice 33: relatively simple. We are designing a series of ponds and drainage areas that mimic

[4:12:24] Voice 33: the existing drainage regime so fundamentally we're taking the same amount of water that we had

[4:12:32] Voice 33: and we're putting it in the same place it went before so we do not want to want to change it

[4:12:38] Voice 33: and so we we've divided the site into a discrete series of catchment areas to to be sympathetic

[4:12:44] Voice 33: with the existing topography in each one of those areas we have a specific stormwater management

[4:12:49] Voice 33: management strategy that involves collection, attenuation to manage flow rates, but most

[4:12:55] Voice 33: importantly, treatment. And so we have a series of biofiltration units that are placed in strategic

[4:13:06] Voice 33: locations adjacent to parking lots and buildings that will mimic forested systems as far as

[4:13:14] Voice 33: treatment and breakdown of pollutants and ultimately uh after treatment um water is

[4:13:20] Voice 33: discharged to the ground is the is the major uh source of of of uh discharge um other than that

[4:13:29] Voice 33: it's just a very simple approach managing stormwater so it mimics the existing condition

[4:13:35] Voice 33: no increase in stormwater volume and treatment is done through natural processes i mean one of

[4:13:42] Voice 33: the ways we we deal with this we we use a lot of literature from the center for water percent

[4:13:47] Voice 33: protection in in in the pacific southwest there's great information on how these systems work and

[4:13:53] Voice 33: and their achievement efficiencies and that kind of thing and then also metro vancouver has some

[4:13:59] Voice 33: great best management practices that we'll be applying as well to this site thank you ian

[4:14:08] Voice 32: and then julie next is uh ian ralston with tracks and ian is the is the engineer who's designed the

[4:14:15] Voice 32: septic septic system oh

[4:14:17] Voice 33: david sorry i was

[4:14:18] Voice 33: just going to say one last thing is there's been a

[4:14:21] Voice 33: tremendous effort between that landscape um uh architecture and uh uh ian ralston with respect

[4:14:28] Voice 33: to sewer to coordinate all these systems so they work in harmony and so that was one of our big

[4:14:33] Voice 33: pushes with our last iteration so sorry david thank you yeah

[4:14:37] Voice 32: and i i think uh the chair will

[4:14:39] Voice 32: we'll know that we did send a supplementary memorandum

[4:14:43] Voice 32: that was really kind of integrating all the work

[4:14:46] Voice 32: from the individual areas of technical analysis

[4:14:49] Voice 32: into a single document,

[4:14:50] Voice 32: which unfortunately just given time arrived somewhat late,

[4:14:56] Voice 32: but you would have received that yesterday.

[4:15:00] Voice 32: And Ian Ralston with Trax Development

[4:15:03] Voice 32: has been a part of the team from the beginning.

[4:15:07] Voice 32: Ian, could you perhaps speak to the sewage system?

[4:15:10] Voice 16: Yeah, absolutely.

[4:15:12] Voice 16: Julie, I don't know if it's possible to put up the image

[4:15:17] Voice 16: showing the most recent conceptual design.

[4:15:22] Voice 16: Thank you.

[4:15:26] Voice 16: It was a good process working on this summary memo

[4:15:31] Voice 16: over the last few days with the other consultants

[4:15:37] Voice 16: because I think in the past we'd had quite a number of different reports,

[4:15:44] Voice 16: but nothing that really drew everything together

[4:15:48] Voice 16: and showed the way in which we've integrated our approach

[4:15:53] Voice 16: to water resource management and rehabilitation of the brownfield site.

[4:16:01] Voice 16: So hopefully the trustees have had a chance to skim over that

[4:16:06] Voice 16: and at least look at the conclusions.

[4:16:09] Voice 16: And certainly if there are questions, I'm only too happy to answer them.

[4:16:17] Voice 16: I think I'll focus on the 2661 site because that's the development variance permit question.

[4:16:26] Voice 16: And you will see that there's a long, narrow dispersal area there, which largely occupies the area of the existing septic field that served the previous structure on the site.

[4:16:47] Voice 16: From the beginning, there's been a priority to reuse this area in order to keep impact within the same location.

[4:16:57] Voice 16: But the approach to the design has been much more complex and more carefully considered than a normal sewerage system.

[4:17:11] Voice 16: And as you know, we used a performance-based approach, working back from the objectives that were needed in water flowing to the shallow groundwater below the site and so to the water bodies nearby.

[4:17:29] Voice 16: Um, I need to be very clear here that if this dispersal area was relocated to the location

[4:17:40] Voice 16: that Jason showed, um, I could design something that would be workable in that area using

[4:17:48] Voice 16: the same performance objectives.

[4:17:50] Voice 16: However, it would not be as favorable location as this one, which would lead to more complex

[4:17:58] Voice 16: treatment requirements and a more complex system. Further, the key contaminants that one worries

[4:18:09] Voice 16: about with sewage systems and water bodies, particularly nitrogen species, are quite mobile

[4:18:18] Voice 16: once they reach the shallow groundwater. So despite the change in setback, which might seem

[4:18:27] Voice 16: seen helpful, the actual risk of impact on the water bodies would be unchanged. So moving the

[4:18:38] Voice 16: field would simply place it in an area which has not previously been disturbed by a septic field

[4:18:44] Voice 16: and would not achieve any useful purpose from a performance perspective. There's been a number

[4:18:56] Voice 16: of questions around impact on natural groundwater movement of course being a brownfield site you

[4:19:05] Voice 16: know the natural is um not necessarily what is there now but one of the one of my key concerns

[4:19:18] Voice 16: in in working on this design was to actually reduce impact on base flows to the surrounding

[4:19:25] Voice 16: water bodies and if at all possible find ways to enhance that. I had a long discussion with

[4:19:33] Voice 16: William Shulber there from Islands Trust at one point and one of the outcomes of that discussion

[4:19:40] Voice 16: was the exfiltration wetlands which you see there which are intended to mimic natural spring

[4:19:48] Voice 16: spring conditions, providing water flow towards the riparian area.

[4:19:58] Voice 16: And there were some questions around relief drainage.

[4:20:03] Voice 16: I need to make it very clear that the relief drain conceptual design is based on the drains

[4:20:10] Voice 16: being at or slightly above the existing seasonal water table levels so that the drains are

[4:20:17] Voice 16: not expected to impact base flow towards the surrounding water bodies. They're not intended

[4:20:25] Voice 16: to drain the area. They're simply intended to manage the risk of water table mounding

[4:20:32] Voice 16: below the dispersal field and that's all. So I think as

[4:20:41] Voice 20: far

[4:20:44] Voice 16: as designs go for

[4:20:47] Voice 16: on-site sewerage systems. At this conceptual design stage, the level of detail and analysis

[4:20:57] Voice 16: that has gone into this is considerably higher than would be the norm. And this was justified

[4:21:05] Voice 16: by the proponents' keenness to protect the natural environment. And they supported my

[4:21:12] Voice 16: work on that all the way along. So I can confidently state that the system is designed

[4:21:23] Voice 16: to the highest levels of risk management. And in fact, the conceptual design for the system,

[4:21:31] Voice 16: although there's not been a formal report from a hydrogeologist, I did obtain a peer review of

[4:21:40] Voice 16: of the design concept from a prominent BC hydrogeologist,

[4:21:48] Voice 16: again, because of the concern

[4:21:51] Voice 16: about setting appropriate objectives.

[4:21:54] Voice 16: And it's certainly been a pleasure to work with Lena

[4:21:58] Voice 16: on developing the correct objectives

[4:22:00] Voice 16: for protection of the receiving environment,

[4:22:04] Voice 16: not just in the short term, but also in the long term

[4:22:08] Voice 16: for cumulative impacts and and so on and so forth um and as i say i'm here to answer any questions

[4:22:16] Voice 16: thank you and

[4:22:19] Voice 32: julie if we could move uh to the i guess we'll talk a little bit about first

[4:22:24] Voice 32: nations really quickly yeah

[4:22:27] Trustee Luckham: and we are at 26 minutes so uh don't uh yeah i i think we're

[4:22:33] Voice 32: we're on the we're on the tail end of this uh but i do appreciate your patience there's a lot

[4:22:38] Voice 32: of detail here um i have i have actively engaged in ongoing conversation with say out first nation

[4:22:48] Voice 32: from the outset of the prod the project the uh the preliminary archaeological work required through

[4:22:55] Voice 32: through the i think approximately 14 separate uh first nations were contacted as part of our

[4:23:01] Voice 32: our site investigation.

[4:23:04] Voice 32: Say Out were in attendance during all of that.

[4:23:08] Voice 32: Our conversations with Say Out have been wide ranging.

[4:23:12] Voice 32: I asked one of the members of their council,

[4:23:17] Voice 32: just in anticipation of this meeting,

[4:23:19] Voice 32: what I could share around our conversations.

[4:23:23] Voice 32: And what was conveyed to me was Say Out are interested

[4:23:29] Voice 32: to find a physical representation of their historic activities in Fulford Harbor.

[4:23:37] Voice 32: I don't know whether that will manifest itself in our project, but I can assure you that

[4:23:43] Voice 32: I have worked in good faith to engage them in a meaningful way.

[4:23:48] Voice 32: I think I'm well suited to that because my view of First Nations and my admiration of

[4:23:56] Voice 32: the culture is significant.

[4:23:58] Voice 32: I'm a, I'm a native West coaster, but I'm a, I'm a immigrant from an immigrant family.

[4:24:06] Voice 32: So I just, just, I just, although we've got this, this conditional letter of support,

[4:24:11] Voice 32: I recognize that there's a new chief and a new council and a new land manager.

[4:24:16] Voice 32: And there's, there's far more work to do.

[4:24:18] Voice 32: I don't see that there's an end date for that work.

[4:24:21] Voice 32: And then quickly, Jennifer, if you wouldn't mind just leading us through

[4:24:25] Voice 32: the official community plan. I'm introducing Jennifer Kay with Town Square Planning and just

[4:24:32] Voice 32: to speak to the alignment. I think we'll move over the economic benefits just in the expediency of

[4:24:40] Voice 32: time. Just speak to the alignment with the official community plan and how the project

[4:24:44] Voice 32: aligns with the key objectives.

[4:24:48] Voice 34: Yeah thank you and thank you all for your time. So Julie if you

[4:24:52] Voice 34: just scroll down a tiny bit more um i was reminded at the beginning of your delegations earlier

[4:24:57] Voice 34: someone spoke to the importance of viewing the ocp as a whole and in collaboration with your

[4:25:07] Voice 34: staff planner we have been doing that for a number of years considering the values objectives and

[4:25:13] Voice 34: and directives of the local community in designing a response on-site that addresses the OCP

[4:25:22] Voice 34: objectives as a whole. So there are a number of key topics within your OCP. I know you're all

[4:25:29] Voice 34: familiar with them, but we'll scroll through them relatively quickly just to demonstrate that

[4:25:34] Voice 34: alignment. So the environment and sustainability, first and foremost, has been at the foundation of

[4:25:41] Voice 34: of all of the team's work

[4:25:44] Voice 34: through detailed technical analysis,

[4:25:47] Voice 34: multiple reports, multiple investigations

[4:25:51] Voice 34: to come to a collaborative design solution

[4:25:54] Voice 34: that really prioritizes the environmental protection

[4:25:57] Voice 34: of the site, recognizing the significant value

[4:26:00] Voice 34: that's cherished in the community and by the community

[4:26:03] Voice 34: and tries to balance the environmental sustainability

[4:26:08] Voice 34: aspirations of the community plan

[4:26:11] Voice 34: by showcasing a development that can be done sensitively and responsibly.

[4:26:18] Voice 34: The OCP also speaks very clearly to limiting growth and that is recognized in that this is

[4:26:25] Voice 34: not a rezoning application, it's not proposing a new use, it's rather trying to bring back and

[4:26:30] Voice 34: and revitalize a historic use of the site that does bring economic prosperity and support to

[4:26:41] Voice 34: the community growth. It's also being done on a portion of the site that can be considered a

[4:26:48] Voice 34: brownfield portion of the site. It's in a disturbed state right now, and the proposed design solution

[4:26:54] Voice 34: is reflective of that limiting growth spirit

[4:26:58] Voice 34: by having small clustered buildings

[4:27:00] Voice 34: designed to showcase the natural environment

[4:27:03] Voice 34: and be really light on the land.

[4:27:06] Voice 34: The OCP also speaks to a sense of community

[4:27:08] Voice 34: and the importance of supporting

[4:27:11] Voice 34: a resident-centered community on the island.

[4:27:16] Voice 34: And this proposal is consistent with that existing zoning

[4:27:19] Voice 34: that allows for the commercial accommodation use

[4:27:21] Voice 34: and tries to bring back,

[4:27:23] Voice 34: There was also a delegation speaking earlier about the importance of the daily use and gathering and activity that used to take place on the property and has been a bit of a void in the community for too many years now.

[4:27:37] Voice 34: Now, community health and safety, I think that that's really at the foundation of many of the comments, both in the environmental responsiveness in the OCP, but also ensuring that the community in its spirit has access to safe, healthy spaces and uses that can be supportive of the community.

[4:27:59] Voice 34: So this proposal is trying to bring back a venue that welcomes community gathering, welcomes guest accommodation, visitors, family members to experience the island community.

[4:28:12] Voice 34: The livelihood and economic benefits, we haven't highlighted those because it hasn't been a big part of the discussion points or questions coming from your planner.

[4:28:22] Voice 34: But it was well recognized that this is an appropriately scaled existing zoned site that can accommodate and support a renewal.

[4:28:33] Voice 34: And so we think that that will bring livelihood and support to the local economy, which we understand to be important in your OCP.

[4:28:41] Voice 34: So just a couple of ways that we want to ensure that our alignment and our response to the OCP has been well considered and that through this development permit process and the variance permit process, our work with your staff planner has been very collaborative, very engaging and supportive of the many ways that we are responding to the rigorous development permit area guidelines

[4:29:10] Voice 34: lines and meeting and exceeding those expectations um at every step so thank you your microphone

[4:29:23] Voice 20: thank you sorry

[4:29:25] Voice 32: um thank you jennifer and and everybody else uh speaking on behalf of the

[4:29:32] Voice 32: proposal uh just in summary i i uh it's it's not been easy um you know for somebody who does this

[4:29:42] Voice 32: full-time on a number of projects. I think what strikes me most about this site is

[4:29:50] Voice 32: it's clearly of great significance and value to our community.

[4:29:54] Voice 32: It's what compelled me to become involved in trying to rejuvenate it.

[4:30:00] Voice 32: But it continues to be beset by impacts.

[4:30:05] Voice 32: I alluded to the fire that burnt down the old settler farm in February of last year, break-ins to the water and the electrical last summer.

[4:30:20] Voice 32: Somebody pruned back the apple trees, trying to create better visibility for people driving from the ferry.

[4:30:27] Voice 32: and uh we have ongoing impacts related to trash and and people camping on site and uh it's it's a

[4:30:36] Voice 32: bit of a it's a bit of a wake-up call for me to recognize that i'm i'm currently the steward of

[4:30:41] Voice 32: site and although i think people have their own view of what what could work here um it's been

[4:30:50] Voice 32: 11 years uh since the site was effectively abandoned it's been close to six years that

[4:30:56] Voice 32: I've been working on it, it's technically challenging to bring forward anything here.

[4:31:04] Voice 32: And I just wonder what the plan would be as an alternative. I think what we've

[4:31:12] Voice 32: endeavored to create here is a balancing of all the values that are important to Salt Spring.

[4:31:19] Voice 32: and to that end we are here to answer any questions that you may have and provide as

[4:31:28] Voice 32: fulsome response as we can. Thank you so much for your time.

[4:31:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay thank you very much everybody.

[4:31:35] Trustee Luckham: So trustees, Peter Grove I see your hand up first.

[4:31:42] Trustee Grove: Yes I only have one question. Thank you all very

[4:31:44] Trustee Grove: much for your presentation. I am concerned and worried about flooding and how flooding affects

[4:31:51] Trustee Grove: affects the septic fields and tanks. We all know about sea level rise. We all know about climate

[4:31:59] Trustee Grove: change. There's no need to go into that, but we can certainly expect significant flooding in the

[4:32:04] Trustee Grove: future. And I'm wondering how your plans address that.

[4:32:09] Voice 32: Ian, would you perhaps go with that?

[4:32:13] Voice 16: Yeah, we have provided a short memo looking at that particular risk because it's one that

[4:32:22] Voice 16: Jason raised and obviously it's one that I considered during the conceptual

[4:32:29] Voice 16: design. There are a couple of features that we're using to make this system

[4:32:38] Voice 16: more likely to perform well during high water table events or even indeed

[4:32:44] Voice 16: indeed, occasional shallow flooding events.

[4:32:49] Voice 16: A key one is the continuous monitoring of what we call vertical separation,

[4:32:54] Voice 16: which is the depth from our dispersal bed to the water table below.

[4:33:01] Voice 16: And when that depth is unacceptable, the system will automatically prevent discharge of affluent.

[4:33:15] Voice 16: And when it reaches a certain level, it will sound alarms, which will give the building managers an opportunity to look at what's going on.

[4:33:29] Voice 16: In an extreme flood event, based on the CRD mapping, we might see a very small amount of

[4:33:39] Voice 16: water in the septic field area. Because there will be no discharge, because the affluent is

[4:33:47] Voice 16: highly treated, I don't see a likelihood of environmental impact during a situation like

[4:33:56] Voice 16: that and the field is also well protected so physical impact is unlikely. The tanks will

[4:34:04] Voice 16: simply be restrained against floating and they're completely sealed and will be watertight tested

[4:34:12] Voice 16: so that you know there's not a danger of exfiltration from the tanks. Thank you.

[4:34:21] Voice 16: Okay

[4:34:24] Voice 25: Peter, that's it for your question. Laura, Patrick?

[4:34:26] Voice 25: sure

[4:34:29] Trustee Patrick: of course have to have a cat come sit right in front of you virtual meeting uh

[4:34:34] Trustee Patrick: risks uh thank you very much and i appreciate the detail and um that you're you have provided

[4:34:41] Trustee Patrick: to us today and for everyone who has passionately spoken about about this um i you know when we when

[4:34:52] Trustee Patrick: we had just i'm talking about the variants right now not the whole project because i'm going to

[4:34:56] Trustee Patrick: of split it up into two just for myself i mean i i was i made a decision that i stand by today

[4:35:04] Trustee Patrick: however the sorry cat leaping off the table um i made a decision based on the alternative being

[4:35:13] Trustee Patrick: you know in an undisturbed area of creating potentially creating more disturbance in an

[4:35:18] Trustee Patrick: archaeological area wasn't acceptable to me and i and i made that decision i felt i balanced the

[4:35:23] Trustee Patrick: the decisions. And on my ongoing journey on reconciliation and learning, I realized,

[4:35:31] Trustee Patrick: did I, should I have, is that, I should have asked first, was that my decision to make alone,

[4:35:38] Trustee Patrick: that that was the better of the options that were in front of us? So I think, you know, as much as

[4:35:48] Trustee Patrick: just go ahead and make a decision I think it is prudent to to stop on the variants and at least

[4:35:55] Trustee Patrick: ask you know which which version was better um was that closer to the soul creek or further away

[4:36:03] Trustee Patrick: that would be deemed you know better so um I think it's worth just asking um out to the first

[4:36:12] Trustee Patrick: nations how they feel about that that variance okay

[4:36:22] Trustee Luckham: thank you Laura you know it's interesting

[4:36:28] Trustee Luckham: when we saw this the first time round and one of the questions I think that I must have asked it

[4:36:35] Trustee Luckham: if I didn't even think it if I only thought it because it seems to me it would make the entire

[4:36:40] Trustee Luckham: site simpler is why aren't the lots simply consolidated that would eliminate at least

[4:36:45] Trustee Luckham: one or two of your problems and would be easier conceptually to manage rather than having other

[4:36:52] Trustee Luckham: issues to deal with. But that's your decision there, I guess. The thing that has become apparent

[4:36:59] Trustee Luckham: in the time that has lapsed is climate change, weather pattern changes, flooding, heat zones,

[4:37:10] Trustee Luckham: all kinds of things that have happened. And it's brought a new set of questions and concerns

[4:37:15] Trustee Luckham: associated with that site.

[4:37:17] Trustee Luckham: The other thing that in the time that has elapsed

[4:37:20] Trustee Luckham: is that as you identified, there's new leadership at SAOP

[4:37:22] Trustee Luckham: and they've asked some questions

[4:37:24] Trustee Luckham: and they wanna have a discussion.

[4:37:27] Trustee Luckham: There's also at least one other nation

[4:37:29] Trustee Luckham: that has expressed an interest in having a discussion

[4:37:32] Trustee Luckham: before any permitting is conducted.

[4:37:35] Trustee Luckham: And so Islands Trust is committed to reconciliation

[4:37:40] Trustee Luckham: and working through the Truth and Reconciliation,

[4:37:45] Trustee Luckham: requirements. And part of that is a meaningful conversation and dialogue with First Nations. So

[4:37:51] Trustee Luckham: I certainly want to be sure that we are doing that, first and foremost, because you've alluded

[4:37:59] Trustee Luckham: to and identified, as I say, I'm certainly interested in the historic, the preservation

[4:38:04] Trustee Luckham: of the historic nature of that site, I'll just say, can't speak for them, of course. But certainly,

[4:38:10] Trustee Luckham: there's no doubt that that is an important place in the history of the Coast Salish peoples here.

[4:38:21] Trustee Luckham: And you know, a couple of things, and David, I really appreciate the presentation you brought,

[4:38:28] Trustee Luckham: I really appreciate the effort that you're putting into this, and you know, you've been quite clear

[4:38:32] Trustee Luckham: is that you want to do the best you can for the site, and indeed the evidence, the materials that

[4:38:37] Trustee Luckham: we've been provided with for assisting us in our decision making are first class. And in fact, I

[4:38:43] Trustee Luckham: I said to one of my planning staff the other day,

[4:38:45] Trustee Luckham: all of that detail is way above my pay grade.

[4:38:49] Trustee Luckham: And I certainly need to have some assurances

[4:38:52] Trustee Luckham: that all of it is as it appears to be.

[4:38:56] Trustee Luckham: I don't have any doubts,

[4:38:57] Trustee Luckham: but as a local government public representative,

[4:39:03] Trustee Luckham: we need to be certain of those things.

[4:39:06] Trustee Luckham: And I'm interested in more of a formal peer review process

[4:39:10] Trustee Luckham: that Ian had suggested he had some peer review,

[4:39:13] Trustee Luckham: but perhaps that's a peer review

[4:39:15] Trustee Luckham: that is funded by yourself, unfortunately,

[4:39:18] Trustee Luckham: but who that peer review might be,

[4:39:21] Trustee Luckham: might be decided by the Islands Trust with your permission.

[4:39:26] Trustee Luckham: The final thing there in that what has changed

[4:39:33] Trustee Luckham: is public opinion.

[4:39:35] Trustee Luckham: And indeed at the last time

[4:39:38] Trustee Luckham: we had fairly positive public opinion. At this point in time we're not hearing those same voices

[4:39:43] Trustee Luckham: and certainly we want to hear from all the voices in order to determine the best interest of the

[4:39:48] Trustee Luckham: community. I keep losing my thread, I got to apologize for that. But the important thing

[4:40:01] Trustee Luckham: that has been identified and spoken to is the estuary and indeed throughout up and down the

[4:40:07] Trustee Luckham: coast over in Squamish I've seen the estuary restoration work that's been going on over there

[4:40:11] Trustee Luckham: significant investment in repairing that place and indeed that estuary that's there as was

[4:40:18] Trustee Luckham: identified today freshwater mussels and the like the salmon habitat all of those sorts of things

[4:40:25] Trustee Luckham: that's provided for in the repair and area regulations are important and you know I really

[4:40:31] Trustee Luckham: appreciated and enjoyed your last question there David and I'll paraphrase it maybe I've heard it

[4:40:37] Trustee Luckham: if not correctly, but if not this, then what,

[4:40:40] Trustee Luckham: to make this place protected and provide the social opportunities

[4:40:45] Trustee Luckham: and the other tourist accommodation opportunities

[4:40:49] Trustee Luckham: and the like that's there?

[4:40:50] Trustee Luckham: How is it that we can do the best thing for this place?

[4:40:53] Trustee Luckham: And I think that, indeed, we need to open up that box

[4:40:57] Trustee Luckham: and look and see, have we considered all the alternatives?

[4:41:01] Trustee Luckham: And what, absolutely, following your lead,

[4:41:03] Trustee Luckham: what is the best thing to do for this place?

[4:41:05] Trustee Luckham: because it is and you've identified that a really important significant place and everybody that

[4:41:10] Trustee Luckham: we've heard from recently has said the same thing. So I'll just I'll be the first one to say I'm not

[4:41:16] Trustee Luckham: in favor of proceeding until we have some of these answers and I'll turn it back to the other

[4:41:22] Trustee Luckham: trustees or for the trustee Grove.

[4:41:27] Trustee Grove: Thank you and I'm certainly would be leaning towards staff's

[4:41:31] Trustee Grove: recommendation in any event but we've just received a letter from First Nation requesting

[4:41:37] Trustee Grove: that we talk to them before making any decisions at all and so that changes everything for me and

[4:41:43] Trustee Grove: we have to accede to that request. Thank you.

[4:41:50] Trustee Luckham: Laura do you have anything or maybe I'll seek

[4:41:52] Trustee Luckham: staff's advice in perhaps returning to us after some First Nations conversations which we've

[4:41:58] Trustee Luckham: attempted to try and put into place before this meeting actually I'll say. Trustee Patrick.

[4:42:04] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, I think the dialogue with First Nations, I mean, these are all complex, and the area, but I think the First Nations would be the first place in regard to this, and I think I see only opportunity out of these conversations.

[4:42:33] Trustee Patrick: conversations right yeah

[4:42:40] Voice 20: i agree with you there christy patrick um

[4:42:43] Trustee Luckham: so jason yeomans the lead

[4:42:48] Trustee Luckham: planner on this one um do you have any advice for us proceeding um with the requests that are before

[4:42:55] Trustee Luckham: us um and uh facilitating discussions so that we can uh you know obviously there's a lot of other

[4:43:03] Trustee Luckham: bigger environmental questions that you know i actually i was going to say earlier that it's a

[4:43:08] Trustee Luckham: It's a little bit of an uphill climb, I'll call it,

[4:43:13] Trustee Luckham: because I think you really need to get public confidence

[4:43:16] Trustee Luckham: behind your work and so that the public can have

[4:43:20] Trustee Luckham: that certainty that this is going to be a benefit,

[4:43:24] Trustee Luckham: not just to the community, but to the environment.

[4:43:27] Trustee Luckham: So over to Jason.

[4:43:29] Voice 20: Thank you, Chair Luckom.

[4:43:37] Voice 32: Can I speak for just a moment to what you've said,

[4:43:40] Voice 32: Chair Luckom, regarding the public commentary?

[4:43:44] Voice 32: I live here. I had somebody enter my property, do damage to my property. I've

[4:43:55] Voice 32: been vilified. I've been called things in social media about being, you know, I've heard some comments today.

[4:44:04] Voice 32: day. I, um, I made a decision that I wasn't going to, uh, drum up support. Somebody said that I was

[4:44:11] Voice 32: marketing. I I'm not marketing anything. Um, I've, I've really, I could, I could, I could create

[4:44:19] Voice 32: division. I could get on social media and I could point out, um, the delays, the late, the late

[4:44:27] Voice 32: materials, the fundamental gristmill of bureaucracy that has, as somebody said, a death by a thousand

[4:44:38] Voice 32: cuts that I've been weighed under. I've spoken about the settler house being burned down.

[4:44:46] Voice 32: I've talked about vagrants being on the property that I've had to deal with myself.

[4:44:52] Voice 32: self. I live in the community. I made a conscious decision to not ask anybody to speak today.

[4:45:00] Voice 32: There was a poll in the Driftwood. They want to sell newspapers by building on a fun fight.

[4:45:08] Voice 32: People were sending me notes about that I should, you know, Mark, I should be telling people about

[4:45:14] Voice 32: it. And I just, I'm not going to do it. I've worked in good faith. We've done the work.

[4:45:22] Voice 32: uh we we made an effort based on the prior outcome when you say that community support

[4:45:27] Voice 32: is shifted i don't agree with that comment uh there's a certain group there's a small

[4:45:33] Voice 32: group they have a voice i share i share their concerns they're vocal they're organized

[4:45:39] Voice 32: um i'm not i'm not in a position to engage in in an ongoing community uh

[4:45:47] Voice 32: debate and increase what is also already a very divisive social environment on Salt Spring Island.

[4:45:53] Voice 32: So I would just ask you to reconsider that comment. I do believe that there is significant

[4:46:00] Voice 32: support for this project in the business community. There are many, many people that

[4:46:06] Voice 32: talk to me about their support for the project. None of them have spoken here today. I haven't

[4:46:11] Voice 32: asked anybody to speak. How can I ask a neighbor to get up in front of their neighbors and put

[4:46:18] Voice 32: themselves on one side of a fence? If I have respect for the process and for the people that

[4:46:23] Voice 32: are engaged, I have to have respect for my community. If I'm trying to create an inclusive

[4:46:28] Voice 32: environment where people can come together and share and have meaningful conversations,

[4:46:35] Voice 32: how can I stand up and say, no, I'm not a lawyer from Vancouver. No, I'm not trying to build a

[4:46:41] Voice 32: high-end resort for rich people. I'm trying to do something to correct an injustice that's

[4:46:46] Voice 32: incurred in my community. And I've been, I've been moving at it. I've been working at it so

[4:46:51] Voice 32: diligently. Nobody, nobody even, if I ask, if people talk to me about it, all they, all they

[4:46:58] Voice 32: talk about is what a bad deal it's been. And I don't want to hear it. You know, I don't, I don't

[4:47:03] Voice 32: need anybody's pity, but I just would, I would just say, if you want me to go out into the community

[4:47:08] Voice 32: and you want me to raise support so that you have a boatload of people showing up at your

[4:47:13] Voice 32: next trust meeting, then I can do it. I really don't want to do it.

[4:47:18] Trustee Grove: Thank you. If I may, Joe.

[4:47:20] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, certainly. I just want to thank David for his remarks and indeed apologize for perhaps

[4:47:26] Trustee Luckham: overstating what I'm hearing going on. And I totally understand exactly what you're feeling

[4:47:37] Trustee Luckham: in terms of being on one side or the other of an issue.

[4:47:43] Trustee Luckham: And we find ourselves in that place all the time.

[4:47:45] Trustee Luckham: And so thank you for that remark, David.

[4:47:48] Trustee Luckham: So Peter Groh, over to you.

[4:47:50] Trustee Grove: And just for clarity.

[4:47:51] Trustee Grove: And

[4:47:51] Trustee Luckham: I could actually ask Jason for guidance

[4:47:53] Trustee Luckham: on how we might proceed.

[4:47:54] Trustee Grove: Well, I'm going to make a motion if that's all right, Joe.

[4:47:59] Voice 25: It's at your pleasure, yeah.

[4:48:01] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[4:48:02] Trustee Grove: So I hear you, David, and I do understand

[4:48:06] Trustee Grove: Stan, just for your information, from a broad perspective, I'm in support of this project. I

[4:48:11] Trustee Grove: think it's exciting. My friends in the South End all support it, provided it's done in the proper

[4:48:16] Trustee Grove: way and that all proper procedures are followed to ensure safety. As I mentioned, I am a bit

[4:48:25] Trustee Grove: concerned about septic, and left to my own devices at this point, I would follow staff's report.

[4:48:32] Trustee Grove: But we have got a game changer. We have First Nations request for consultation before we go any further. I see no option but to accede to that. So I'm going to move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer files SSDBP 2021.24 to First Nations with treaty and territorial interests on Salt Spring Island with a request to comment on the proposed variance permit.

[4:48:56] Trustee Grove: it

[4:48:58] Trustee Patrick: before i second our do both files need to be referred i guess that was where jason

[4:49:09] Voice 20: just

[4:49:09] Trustee Patrick: is this just the variance or do you want to show the development permit file as well if you

[4:49:18] Voice 26: if if the ltc believes that there is information that would be of value to your decision making

[4:49:25] Voice 26: in regards to both both or either of the variance permit or the development permit

[4:49:31] Voice 26: it then then you can refer one or both of those files since

[4:49:37] Trustee Grove: it's my motion thank you laura

[4:49:40] Trustee Grove: raising that i would refer both files why not

[4:49:43] Trustee Luckham: absolutely thank you peter so we'll just ask

[4:49:48] Trustee Luckham: sarah if you've got that motion and then i'll ask if it needs any further discussion before

[4:49:52] Trustee Luckham: you second it to trustee patrick thank

[4:50:08] Voice 20: you sarah okay that

[4:50:25] Trustee Luckham: looks like i captured that are you okay

[4:50:27] Trustee Luckham: with that so trustee Patrick well

[4:50:29] Trustee Patrick: me uh it's not oh well with the

[4:50:32] Trustee Luckham: motion and the uh seconding so

[4:50:34] Trustee Patrick: trustee Grove

[4:50:35] Trustee Luckham: that's your intent that's fine there

[4:50:37] Trustee Patrick: it's uh that's not it has with a request for

[4:50:41] Trustee Patrick: I don't think that was in the uh

[4:50:46] Trustee Grove: there's

[4:50:48] Trustee Patrick: an unfinished sentence with

[4:50:51] Trustee Grove: a request uh to comment

[4:50:53] Trustee Grove: on the proposed variance permit is the language from the uh from staff's report and and development

[4:51:01] Trustee Patrick: permits proposed

[4:51:02] Voice 20: permits maybe would be yeah clearly yeah take work that looks fine okay

[4:51:14] Voice 20: good show um

[4:51:17] Trustee Luckham: any further discussion as a second about just yeah i

[4:51:23] Trustee Patrick: was just going to discuss so

[4:51:24] Trustee Patrick: So sorry.

[4:51:25] Trustee Luckham: Oh, so you want to speak to it?

[4:51:28] Trustee Patrick: Well, yeah, I really want to thank David.

[4:51:32] Trustee Patrick: And I do believe that he has thought very carefully on this site that he has brought

[4:51:40] Trustee Patrick: forward and has brought forward an idea that works for me as a person who has moved to

[4:51:52] Trustee Patrick: the island.

[4:51:52] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's just the voice missing is First Nations in this case, just to ensure that it works for them.

[4:52:00] Trustee Patrick: And hopefully, like I said, the opportunities would be that we can all be together on this.

[4:52:07] Trustee Patrick: And because I think there is a lot to learn and to value on that site.

[4:52:12] Trustee Patrick: And I know you've incorporated that in, and it's just to have their support would go a long way at making it a place we can all celebrate together.

[4:52:26] Voice 20: Can I make one more comment?

[4:52:28] Voice 20: Yes, please.

[4:52:29] Voice 20: I'm not opposed

[4:52:33] Voice 32: to an engagement with First Nations, but it's my experience in that realm, and I don't know how much you've done of it.

[4:52:47] Voice 32: I feel like I've done quite a bit, is that, you know, the challenge I have is that it's quite difficult to make something that is your priority a priority for First Nations that has other challenges to contend with that are really quite significant.

[4:53:10] Voice 32: The Sayle First Nations are underway with the construction of their big house right now. It's quite ironic that their big house burned down, I think, 10 years ago or 20 years ago. And it's taken them 10 years to get that underway.

[4:53:26] Voice 32: way the importance of the big house to their community is that it is their gathering place

[4:53:31] Voice 32: it is the place where they pass on the the wisdom of their elders and they tell stories and it it

[4:53:36] Voice 32: grounds their their constituent community in their culture and ties them to their culture and it

[4:53:42] Voice 32: creates a buffer against the social ills of drug addiction and alcoholism and unemployment and

[4:53:48] Voice 32: abuse and all the things that they they really face as a challenge i i've found that working

[4:53:55] Voice 32: through that process it's hard to come forward and say this is this is important to me so it's

[4:54:01] Voice 32: therefore important to you what i have and i'm just going to be candid because i'll just put

[4:54:07] Voice 32: it all on the table what i've proposed to the say out is that they actually own the property

[4:54:13] Voice 32: and that they they acquire the site and then they they lease it back to us through a ground lease

[4:54:20] Voice 32: and they have ownership of the actual project.

[4:54:23] Voice 32: And I think that conversation has raised some interest.

[4:54:29] Voice 32: I've had other conversations with First Nations around Fulford Harbour,

[4:54:34] Voice 32: although there's a characterization that we hear about Fulford Harbour

[4:54:38] Voice 32: being a pristine environment.

[4:54:39] Voice 32: It's actually a working harbour in many respects.

[4:54:42] Voice 32: It has two operating marinas.

[4:54:44] Voice 32: It has a ferry terminal.

[4:54:46] Voice 32: It has septic systems surrounding it from residential properties that are unmonitored, that have impacts on Fulford Harbor on a daily basis.

[4:54:55] Voice 32: The Seyhout are looking for a physical representation of their ancestral land claims in Fulford Harbor.

[4:55:02] Voice 32: I've had ongoing discussions with them about the potential for that, for their engagement.

[4:55:08] Voice 32: And I've explained to them from my perspective that Salt Spring Island lacks the leadership of First Nations, and Fulford Harbor in particularly needs the leadership of the SAIL First Nations.

[4:55:21] Voice 32: As much as that may feel like a very appealing kind of comment, it's quite hard to get the attention that it's hard to move them off of the issues that they contend with on a day-to-day basis.

[4:55:34] Voice 32: They also have limitations within their treaty rights that other tribes who have economic benefits, they've already resolved with provincial and federal governments that say I would have not been able to resolve.

[4:55:47] Voice 32: I would say I'm supportive of anything that the Islands Trust can do to create a meaningful conversation to achieve an outcome that benefits us all.

[4:55:56] Voice 32: But I would just caution that my concern is transparency. I'm being transparent with you today. And I have concerns that the Islands Trust, by virtue of its operations and how it does business, there's sometimes a lack of transparency from the applicant's perspective.

[4:56:16] Voice 32: And the case in point is, throughout all those conversations that I had with Say Out First Nations, the Islands Trust received a letter of conditional support from Say Out in, I believe, February of 2021.

[4:56:30] Voice 32: And I didn't receive that letter until May of 2021.

[4:56:34] Voice 32: And although the project was in abeyance because of COVID and because of a decision to not advance an accommodation project in a period of time where people were understandably concerned about gathering that I elected to just hold back, I needed that letter.

[4:56:55] Voice 32: I needed that in my file so that I understood what the outcome, because subsequent to that, I could have come forward to the Islands Trust and I could have said, I will provide the assurances that that letter required, which is that the say-out would have a land technician available for any site disturbance or any work on the project.

[4:57:14] Voice 32: I wasn't really, I wasn't given that opportunity. I don't think that was an intentful act,

[4:57:20] Voice 32: but there wasn't a disposition towards transparency to the applicant. There wasn't

[4:57:27] Voice 32: a disposition towards that this might be information that would benefit the applicant.

[4:57:32] Voice 32: And I'd worked for that letter. I deserved to see it. And subsequent to that, there was a

[4:57:39] Voice 32: a change in leadership and you know effectively a reset you know to to a new start um and so all

[4:57:47] Voice 32: that work has to commence again so i'm i'm supportive of of uh the motion and not that i

[4:57:54] Voice 32: have a vote but if i if i was going to be voting i would say you know that's that's uh we all have

[4:57:59] Voice 32: to make a commitment and renew our our energies towards creating meaningful meaningful dialogue

[4:58:06] Voice 32: dialogue on Salt Spring Island. I think it's quite sad that Salt Spring Island doesn't have

[4:58:10] Voice 32: a First Nations representation. I would also add, I had discussed with Say Out about the rural

[4:58:18] Voice 32: portion of the site, that site where the heritage farmhouse was located, that that could be

[4:58:24] Voice 32: utilized as a cultural space for Say Out, but it got burned down. So I don't know how to say this

[4:58:34] Voice 32: without sounding dramatic but i i'm the steward of the site today it's tough and i

[4:58:45] Trustee Luckham: think i i

[4:58:47] Trustee Luckham: we get your message and i gotta say i appreciate your message i i just

[4:58:52] Voice 32: i just if i could finish

[4:58:54] Voice 32: my comment um i just time is is the only thing you can't replace um we cannot we can make more

[4:59:06] Voice 32: more money and we can make more babies, but we cannot make more time. I've expended a good part

[4:59:12] Voice 32: of my mature working life, my most efficient working life on this project for the benefit

[4:59:18] Voice 32: of my community. I need to advance this project to, like the fact that the DVP is back is because

[4:59:25] Voice 32: I couldn't get this thing advanced. So I would really ask again, that I need a roadmap. Otherwise

[4:59:34] Voice 32: Otherwise, my stewardship has got to come to a close.

[4:59:38] Voice 32: I've made space in this project for a land conservation.

[4:59:42] Voice 32: I've made space for anyone that has got a sincere interest in participating in this.

[4:59:48] Voice 32: But I would say this is the most important application that the Islands Trust has reviewed for Salt Spring Island in some time, notwithstanding some of the very significant challenges you have.

[5:00:00] Voice 32: This is the way forward. Are we going to lead and find solutions or are we going to become encumbered by a failure to have good faith and instead be skeptical that you want me to hire third party and analysts?

[5:00:18] Voice 32: All that comes at the detailed design stage and is reviewed at the building permit stage by other parts of government.

[5:00:26] Voice 32: you must let your processes that you've established under which we made our application

[5:00:31] Voice 32: you must let those processes play forward you can't continue to change the rules

[5:00:36] Voice 32: as the game goes on it's not it's not appropriate and it undermines faith in the island's trust

[5:00:43] Voice 32: and that undermines our ability to be an effective governing body for the community that you're

[5:00:48] Voice 32: we're entrusted with.

[5:00:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[5:00:54] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[5:00:56] Trustee Luckham: So trustees, we have a motion on the table

[5:00:59] Trustee Luckham: and if there's no further discussion,

[5:01:00] Trustee Luckham: I'd like to call the vote.

[5:01:03] Trustee Luckham: Okay, we're ready for the vote.

[5:01:04] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:01:06] Trustee Luckham: So that carries unanimously.

[5:01:09] Trustee Luckham: Now, I think that's the first step in that direction.

[5:01:15] Trustee Luckham: And we will have to seize the moment

[5:01:17] Trustee Luckham: to have those conversations

[5:01:20] Trustee Luckham: out of respect for the applicant's long time on this work

[5:01:25] Trustee Luckham: and also respect the nation's capacity to meet with us.

[5:01:32] Trustee Luckham: So at this time, should we be turning our minds

[5:01:37] Trustee Luckham: to the next item on our agenda here, Jason,

[5:01:40] Trustee Luckham: looking for you for advice or ostensibly,

[5:01:43] Trustee Luckham: I think that the same conversation is gonna circle that one

[5:01:48] Trustee Luckham: and that we need to hear back from First Nations.

[5:01:54] Trustee Luckham: You know, I think there are some other questions that are out there,

[5:01:58] Trustee Luckham: but I'm going to leave it up to the local trustees to determine

[5:02:00] Trustee Luckham: whether or not there's anything further they want to do

[5:02:02] Trustee Luckham: with respect to these applications here today.

[5:02:05] Trustee Luckham: Not at this time. Thank you, Chair.

[5:02:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay. And that's also a no there, Laura.

[5:02:11] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick.

[5:02:13] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, and I mean, the water issue is,

[5:02:15] Trustee Patrick: and I know you've done quite a bit of work on that,

[5:02:18] Trustee Patrick: and i do know that the crd is doing some work on weston lake further so i know there will be some

[5:02:26] Trustee Patrick: more data coming on the availability at weston lake um the the the challenge with extending

[5:02:34] Trustee Patrick: the system is for looking at water as a how much we have is uh you know how much is there how much

[5:02:42] Trustee Patrick: is x excess and how much is driven towards um you know commercial accommodation versus

[5:02:49] Trustee Patrick: housing for for people and i think that's going to be the interesting question as we get more

[5:02:55] Trustee Patrick: data on what is in western lake um and the availability of that okay

[5:03:03] Voice 25: so

[5:03:06] Trustee Luckham: then i want to

[5:03:06] Trustee Luckham: thank uh you david and julia as the leads on this uh speaking to us today and acknowledge

[5:03:14] Trustee Luckham: the excellent professional work world-class in fact work above them above the normal expectations

[5:03:21] Trustee Luckham: for sewage system as ian has said and um and uh let's continue the conversation as best we can

[5:03:28] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to move on to item 16.3 in our agenda which is salt spring lcb 2021.2

[5:03:38] Trustee Luckham: under the name Webster at 529 Fulford Ganges Road

[5:03:41] Trustee Luckham: regarding a lounge and patio endorsement.

[5:03:47] Voice 22: Now, there's a pop-up.

[5:03:50] Voice 22: Is Geordie Gordon going to speak to this one?

[5:03:56] Voice 2: Yes, Chair.

[5:03:57] Voice 2: Sorry, I'm just getting my headset organized there.

[5:04:01] Voice 2: Yeah, I will be speaking to this one,

[5:04:04] Voice 2: and I've got a short presentation here to put on.

[5:04:13] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[5:04:20] Voice 2: sorry one sec to get organized it all came about so quickly

[5:04:32] Voice 2: okay hopefully you can see this i'm just going to put in presenter mode hopefully you can see that

[5:04:40] Voice 2: so this is an application concerning uh lcrb liquor and cannabis regulation branch application

[5:04:46] Voice 2: application at 1529 Fulford Ganges Road, shown here on the map, might know it as Ciderworks,

[5:04:54] Voice 2: which is the name of the cidery there.

[5:04:59] Voice 2: So this is an application that considers an application for a lounge with a patio endorsement

[5:05:07] Voice 2: on this property, sort of transitioning away from the temporary expanded service area that

[5:05:12] Voice 2: was obtained during COVID. Looking to make this change permanent requires application

[5:05:19] Voice 2: to the local the LCRB and by extension approval from the local trust committee or local government

[5:05:26] Voice 2: in this case local trust committee. The applicant is proposing as I say outdoor portion outdoor

[5:05:34] Voice 2: patio and is anticipating operation between March and October 9 a.m to 9 p.m seven days per week.

[5:05:42] Voice 2: So just to let you know the lounge definition here, there is some other information provided in the staff report that extends to what other activities can occur with a lounge license.

[5:05:58] Voice 2: The area under consideration here is a 80 square meter, roughly 80 square meter, 81.2 to be exact, indoor-outdoor lounge area.

[5:06:14] Voice 2: 40 meters indoors with 41.2 meters outdoors.

[5:06:19] Voice 2: And that's shown here, both in the blue line and then in the sort of yellow area there.

[5:06:27] Voice 2: Some photos of the area from below there on the left, you can see the outdoor patio area on the right, and then indoors and outdoors.

[5:06:36] Voice 2: And this currently operates, as I say, under the temporary expansion of service area endorsement.

[5:06:43] Voice 2: Aside from that, the applicant does have a picnic area endorsement that they operate as well.

[5:06:51] Voice 2: um per the lcrb requirements consultation was undertaken um there's no statutory notification

[5:07:01] Voice 2: for this uh but the notification was undertaken by mailing a letter or a letter advertising an

[5:07:09] Voice 2: open house and the existence of this application to property owners within 100 meters there's also

[5:07:17] Voice 2: an ad placed on the Salt Spring Island Exchange as well as on the Salt Spring Islands Trust mailing

[5:07:24] Voice 2: list. There was an open house conducted in late January where the applicant attended, saw about

[5:07:33] Voice 2: five attendees come to discuss matters related to this. As a detail in the staff report there

[5:07:42] Voice 2: were minimal comments actually about the application other than some conversation

[5:07:46] Voice 2: with a neighbour around potential the need for future screening and seemed

[5:07:51] Voice 2: amenable to working together to make that happen. Also the public had the

[5:07:58] Voice 2: opportunity to address the LTC at Town Hall and also to provide written comment

[5:08:06] Voice 2: which we did receive approximately four letters. Three were in support of the

[5:08:12] Voice 2: application, the fourth which came in yesterday I'm not sure if the LTC has

[5:08:16] Voice 2: had a chance to review that one um expressed concern with the notification process um and

[5:08:23] Voice 2: that it was misleading i'm happy to go further into that if the ltc would like to discuss that

[5:08:28] Voice 2: aspect um staff reviewed the letter and found no issue with the way that the notification was

[5:08:34] Voice 2: undertaken um so i'll i'll just say in light of all that um the the main point as highlighted

[5:08:46] Voice 2: in the staff report is that this is a property that's within the agricultural land reserve

[5:08:50] Voice 2: it's a permitted farm use uh the lounge is a permitted farm use in association with

[5:08:55] Voice 2: an alcohol production facility so really this the ltc has a limited ability to restrict this

[5:09:04] Voice 2: in any way it is a permitted use so um staff sort of see it almost as a rubber stamp of this because

[5:09:10] Voice 2: it's on a it's not a farm use that the uh ltc can can essentially regulate in any way so

[5:09:16] Voice 2: With that in mind, we did undertake the consultation, nevertheless, and are recommending that the

[5:09:23] Voice 2: LTC pass the recommended resolution that the impact would be minimal and the impact in

[5:09:33] Voice 2: the community would be negligible.

[5:09:35] Voice 2: It's a permitted use within the Agricultural and Land Reserve and that they recommend that

[5:09:40] Voice 2: that the application be approved and that as per LCRB request

[5:09:45] Voice 2: that the staff provide a record of community consultation,

[5:09:50] Voice 2: how it was undertaken and what was heard

[5:09:52] Voice 2: with that forwarding of that support.

[5:09:54] Voice 2: I'm happy to take any questions there if you have any.

[5:09:57] Voice 2: I believe Brian Webster, who's the applicant,

[5:10:00] Voice 2: I think I saw in the audience there.

[5:10:04] Trustee Luckham: I'm not sure.

[5:10:04] Trustee Luckham: He's still here.

[5:10:05] Voice 19: He's been advanced here.

[5:10:06] Voice 2: Okay, perfect.

[5:10:07] Trustee Luckham: I'll just maybe ask the applicant, you concur with the conclusions of the planning staff

[5:10:13] Trustee Luckham: and the advice provided?

[5:10:17] Voice 18: Yes.

[5:10:18] Voice 18: Hi.

[5:10:19] Voice 18: The staff report, I think, is comprehensive and is accurate.

[5:10:25] Voice 18: We're applying to be able to continue doing what we've essentially been doing for the

[5:10:31] Voice 18: the last two years under temporary expanded service area provision and our motivation was

[5:10:39] Voice 18: to simply be able to continue having people consume cider on the deck which is right beside

[5:10:46] Voice 18: our tasting room and right above our picnic area both of which have been in operation for the last

[5:10:52] Voice 18: three years to my knowledge we've never had a single complaint around noise or any anything else

[5:10:59] Voice 18: since we began operations, including the two years

[5:11:02] Voice 18: when we've had the service on the deck

[5:11:03] Voice 18: and we haven't heard from any neighbors

[5:11:06] Voice 18: or anyone else who has objected to it.

[5:11:11] Trustee Grove: Excellent,

[5:11:12] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much.

[5:11:13] Trustee Luckham: Chair,

[5:11:13] Trustee Grove: I'm prepared to make that motion.

[5:11:16] Trustee Luckham: Great, so trustees, do you have any questions

[5:11:17] Trustee Luckham: or you'd like to make the motion?

[5:11:20] Trustee Grove: Okay,

[5:11:20] Trustee Luckham: make the motion.

[5:11:21] Trustee Grove: I am going to move Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[5:11:23] Trustee Grove: Committee directs staff to send a response

[5:11:25] Trustee Grove: to the liquor and cannabis regulation grants

[5:11:27] Trustee Grove: regarding the lounge license

[5:11:29] Trustee Grove: and outdoor patio applications for 529 Fulford Ganges Road

[5:11:33] Trustee Grove: that states, A, the potential impact of noise

[5:11:36] Trustee Grove: on the community in the immediate vicinity

[5:11:38] Trustee Grove: of the establishment would be minimal.

[5:11:40] Trustee Grove: B, the impact on the community

[5:11:41] Trustee Grove: if the application is approved would be negligible.

[5:11:44] Trustee Grove: C, the lounge and patio is permitted use

[5:11:47] Trustee Grove: within the agricultural land reserve.

[5:11:49] Trustee Grove: D, the local trust committee recommends

[5:11:52] Trustee Grove: the application be approved.

[5:11:55] Voice 25: The seconder, Steve Patrick, thank you very much.

[5:11:57] Voice 25: Any discussion?

[5:11:58] Voice 25: Any further discussion?

[5:11:59] Voice 25: Then I'll call for the vote.

[5:12:01] Voice 25: All those in favor?

[5:12:02] Voice 25: None opposed, that carries.

[5:12:04] Trustee Luckham: Well, there you go, Brian.

[5:12:05] Trustee Luckham: Good luck with that.

[5:12:06] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[5:12:06] Trustee Patrick: One more.

[5:12:07] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[5:12:09] Trustee Patrick: may direct staff to include a record

[5:12:11] Trustee Patrick: of the community consultation with a response

[5:12:13] Trustee Patrick: to the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch

[5:12:16] Trustee Patrick: regarding CytoWorks application.

[5:12:18] Trustee Luckham: Right, thank you.

[5:12:19] Trustee Luckham: Got ahead of myself.

[5:12:20] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Grove is seconded it.

[5:12:22] Trustee Luckham: Any further discussion?

[5:12:23] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:12:25] Trustee Luckham: That too carries.

[5:12:27] Trustee Luckham: Excellent, thank you.

[5:12:30] Voice 25: Okay,

[5:12:30] Trustee Luckham: let's move along now to Salt Spring rezoning 2021.1.

[5:12:37] Trustee Luckham: Rivers at 114 Swanson Road rezoning proposal update increase in residential density to 18 units.

[5:12:45] Trustee Luckham: And Planner Gordon, are you leading this one?

[5:12:48] Voice 2: I am, Chair. Yes, thank you.

[5:12:52] Voice 2: I'll note, too, I think that the applicant, Dale Rivers, had indicated that Lee Large was going to be speaking in response to this application if there are questions of the LTC.

[5:13:05] Voice 2: I'm not sure if Rob got that note, but just if Lee's in the audience to be promoted on this one.

[5:13:12] Voice 2: um but yeah just uh i guess a short presentation here again um this is uh as charlotte as you

[5:13:21] Voice 2: noted this is sort of a re reconsideration of a rezoning that the local trust committee

[5:13:26] Voice 2: considered um early last year um which the applicant has revised to include

[5:13:33] Voice 2: include two suites in the bottom of each of the six buildings proposed for a total of 18 units,

[5:13:43] Voice 2: and that's at the property on Swanson Road here. There's an updated site plan that's provided,

[5:13:56] Voice 2: shows configuration consistent with what was seen before in the previous application,

[5:14:03] Voice 2: which is the six buildings. As noted in the floor plans though, you see main floor plan and then the

[5:14:09] Voice 2: two suites in each of the proposed buildings. So issues and opportunities related to this

[5:14:21] Voice 2: revision, the density is not necessarily at odds with the efficient community plan policies,

[5:14:29] Voice 2: although it really is predicated on the provision of affordable housing, which to this point

[5:14:35] Voice 2: the applicant has not indicated the mechanism by which that would be provided so staff have

[5:14:42] Voice 2: recommended that that be addressed by the applicant and also alternatively you know

[5:14:47] Voice 2: the applicant explore the opportunity to transfer to take advantage of the

[5:14:55] Voice 2: density transfer mechanism within the OCP to to effectively buy densities from donor areas

[5:15:00] Voice 2: and this is a receiving area within the OCP, so there's an option

[5:15:05] Voice 2: provided to the local trust committee, which is recommendation number six here,

[5:15:09] Voice 2: that that option be explored. Affordability is addressed in recommendation number five,

[5:15:19] Voice 2: that the LTC request the applicant revise the application to ensure the provision of

[5:15:24] Voice 2: affordable housing through administration of a housing agreement, and that's dependent on

[5:15:30] Voice 2: somewhat on the ownership model that the applicant is proposing, how that would be

[5:15:34] Voice 2: effectively, a covenant would be effectively administered, might prove to be challenging

[5:15:42] Voice 2: given whatever ownership structure they go in. And then obviously of concern too is water supply.

[5:15:50] Voice 2: The applicant does have a well test that would seem to indicate that there's sufficient water

[5:15:55] Voice 2: supply to provide the amount recommended by staff here which is 24 000 liters per day

[5:16:02] Voice 2: that does require ground license application from flynn road flynn road which is

[5:16:11] Voice 2: requested or recommended here and then just to to clarify or to highlight the fact that

[5:16:17] Voice 2: staff have recommended updating or rescinding previous resolutions

[5:16:22] Voice 2: applications to that effect. So rescinding the previous water management report to update it

[5:16:28] Voice 2: to reflect the 24,000 litres per day, and then to rescind, more importantly perhaps at this point,

[5:16:37] Voice 2: to rescind the direction for staff to draft a bylaw. I think given the requests here of the

[5:16:43] Voice 2: applicant, it's prudent to obtain a bit more information prior to drafting of a bylaw to

[5:16:47] Voice 2: to ensure that this application can be effectively supported

[5:16:52] Voice 2: as it relates to water supply and affordability.

[5:16:55] Voice 2: So I'm happy to take questions on the resolutions there

[5:17:00] Voice 2: and I recognize there are quite a number of them,

[5:17:02] Voice 2: but I will leave it there.

[5:17:05] Voice 2: And as I say, happy to take any questions.

[5:17:08] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[5:17:09] Trustee Luckham: And the applicant is at Highbury.

[5:17:11] Trustee Luckham: Did you wish to address the LTC

[5:17:16] Trustee Luckham: see with respect to the recommendations from staff yes

[5:17:20] Voice 12: can you hear me yes

[5:17:21] Trustee Luckham: okay

[5:17:22] Voice 12: it's lee large and

[5:17:24] Voice 12: i'm representing dale rivers and uh what we wanted to ask if we could would be just to have the uh

[5:17:31] Voice 12: the matter tabled until the next meeting which would provide us an opportunity to

[5:17:37] Voice 12: review matters and meet with staff okay

[5:17:42] Trustee Luckham: i see nodding so um

[5:17:45] Trustee Luckham: if that's the case, then I'd ask the trustees to make a motion to defer this to our next meeting

[5:17:55] Trustee Luckham: subject consultation with staff and presuming a staff availability before the next meeting to do

[5:18:00] Trustee Luckham: so.

[5:18:01] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. I just looked at staff. Do we have to say the next meeting or just defer

[5:18:05] Trustee Patrick: to a future meeting? I just

[5:18:07] Trustee Patrick: don't want to tie you down to something.

[5:18:11] Voice 2: Yeah, we'd appreciate that in

[5:18:13] Voice 2: terms of flexibility of you know depending on what needs to be addressed or worked out i think um to

[5:18:19] Voice 2: a future meeting would be the best option

[5:18:21] Trustee Patrick: i'll move that the salt spring island local trust

[5:18:26] Trustee Patrick: committee uh defer uh i guess we just say the staff report or file i'll just say file ss uh

[5:18:34] Trustee Patrick: our Z 2021.1 to a future meeting.

[5:18:40] Trustee Luckham: Move to have a seconder, Mr. Grove.

[5:18:44] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[5:18:45] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:18:47] Trustee Luckham: That carries unanimously, thank you.

[5:18:50] Trustee Luckham: All right, well, thank you, sir, for that.

[5:18:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much

[5:18:53] Voice 12: for your cooperation.

[5:18:54] Voice 12: That's much appreciated.

[5:18:55] Trustee Luckham: No trouble.

[5:18:57] Trustee Luckham: Let's go to 16.5, Salt Spring Development Barriers

[5:19:00] Trustee Luckham: Permit 2021.18, Warrior at 82 McKenzie Crescent,

[5:19:08] Trustee Luckham: Piers Island, oh yeah.

[5:19:10] Trustee Luckham: Development variance permit to vary the setback

[5:19:12] Trustee Luckham: of a natural boundary of the sea.

[5:19:13] Trustee Luckham: And who we got here, it looks like Christine Mays.

[5:19:16] Trustee Luckham: Good afternoon, welcome.

[5:19:18] Trustee Luckham: And

[5:19:19] Planner Mayes (probable): I'll turn it

[5:19:19] Trustee Luckham: over to you.

[5:19:21] Planner Mayes (probable): Perfect, all right.

[5:19:22] Planner Mayes (probable): Hopefully you guys can see my presentation.

[5:19:24] Voice 9: Yes.

[5:19:25] Voice 9: Beautiful, all right.

[5:19:27] Planner Mayes (probable): So this development variance permit application

[5:19:29] Planner Mayes (probable): is seeking to vary the piers island land use bylaw number 373 to make lawful deciding an

[5:19:35] Planner Mayes (probable): existing retaining wall to the natural boundary of the sea so the subject property is located

[5:19:41] Planner Mayes (probable): on piers island which is within the salt spree and local trust area the 0.34 hectare lot is

[5:19:48] Planner Mayes (probable): zoned residential and shoreline one along the foreshore this dvp application is the result

[5:19:53] Planner Mayes (probable): of a bylaw enforcement file which determined the retaining wall structure forming part of a

[5:19:58] Planner Mayes (probable): warfoot and funicular structure was sited within the setback to the natural boundary of the sea.

[5:20:05] Planner Mayes (probable): That is a site plan here you can see that retaining wall structure along with the warfoot

[5:20:11] Planner Mayes (probable): and funicular track. The shoreline of the subject property underwent extensive alterations in 2018

[5:20:20] Planner Mayes (probable): including the renovation of the dock, installation of a seawall and removal of vegetation.

[5:20:25] Planner Mayes (probable): Following investigation of the works it was determined that the development on the foreshore

[5:20:29] Planner Mayes (probable): of the property was consistent with the shoreline one and residential zones and the stairs in the

[5:20:34] Planner Mayes (probable): residential zone which also permit these structures to be sited within the setback to the natural

[5:20:39] Planner Mayes (probable): boundary of the sea. As such those elements don't require variance. The funicular structure was also

[5:20:44] Planner Mayes (probable): authorized by an earlier development in 2006. So the following are a few photos that were submitted

[5:20:52] Planner Mayes (probable): by the applicant. So the foreshore prior to the shoreline works, the foreshore subject subsequent

[5:20:58] Planner Mayes (probable): subsequent to the shoreline works

[5:20:59] Planner Mayes (probable): and the seawall that was under construction,

[5:21:01] Planner Mayes (probable): you can see the staircase

[5:21:04] Planner Mayes (probable): and part of the wharf foot structure there at the bottom.

[5:21:08] Planner Mayes (probable): So here are a couple of photos of the retaining wall

[5:21:10] Planner Mayes (probable): structure that this application is considering.

[5:21:14] Planner Mayes (probable): So there are two sort of portions,

[5:21:17] Planner Mayes (probable): which were discussed in the staff report,

[5:21:20] Planner Mayes (probable): a top portion forming part of the wharf foot,

[5:21:23] Planner Mayes (probable): and then a lower portion that acts as egress

[5:21:27] Planner Mayes (probable): and has the staircase attached to it.

[5:21:30] Planner Mayes (probable): So the report that you guys are taking a look at

[5:21:35] Planner Mayes (probable): explores the issues and opportunities

[5:21:36] Planner Mayes (probable): of the retaining wall structure

[5:21:38] Planner Mayes (probable): and shoreline works on Piers Island.

[5:21:41] Planner Mayes (probable): Statutory notice of the proposed variance

[5:21:43] Planner Mayes (probable): was mailed on the 31st of January

[5:21:45] Planner Mayes (probable): and seven pieces of correspondence

[5:21:47] Planner Mayes (probable): in support of the DVP were received.

[5:21:51] Planner Mayes (probable): So the applicant is requesting

[5:21:54] Planner Mayes (probable): to make lawful the siting of the retaining wall structure.

[5:21:56] Planner Mayes (probable): So staff are in agreement that the portion of the retaining wall does function as support for the warfoot and funicular structures.

[5:22:06] Planner Mayes (probable): However, the lower portion is, you know, for the purposes of egress for the seawall and foreshore.

[5:22:13] Planner Mayes (probable): Notwithstanding, the variance request is relatively minor in the retaining wall structure, which is sited on the upland portion.

[5:22:19] Planner Mayes (probable): The recess into the hillside bluff on the subject property does not interrupt continuous pedestrian access along the shoreline.

[5:22:25] Planner Mayes (probable): As such, staff are recommending the local trust can be approved issuance of the development parents permit and the recommendation is there. And also, the applicant, Velvet, is online as well.

[5:22:41] Trustee Luckham: Very good. Thank you. So I'll just ask the applicant.

[5:22:46] Trustee Luckham: Do you have any concerns about the recommendation from staff to the LTC?

[5:22:50] Trustee Luckham: see um

[5:22:53] Voice 9: hi it's velvet and uh alan's here uh thank you for hearing us and thank you for um

[5:23:00] Voice 9: helping us get through this christine and other staff um so we would like to um

[5:23:06] Voice 9: request that we grant our variance for our permit uh for the retaining will um

[5:23:14] Voice 9: i think the other options that i saw in the staff report were to ask for

[5:23:18] Voice 9: or other reports or to deny it.

[5:23:23] Voice 9: But I think, you know, we did go and talk to,

[5:23:26] Voice 9: or sent all our development, our implementation pictures,

[5:23:30] Voice 9: our construction pictures of the retaining wall

[5:23:32] Voice 9: to a geotech and they basically said that it was,

[5:23:39] Voice 9: he said from a geotechnical perspective,

[5:23:42] Voice 9: the work appears to have been completed

[5:23:43] Voice 9: in an adequate fashion such that the foundations

[5:23:45] Voice 9: are bearing on the bedrock.

[5:23:47] Voice 9: This work has not resulted in any reduction of existing stability conditions of the slope,

[5:23:52] Voice 9: nor has the work into the foreshore resulted in any meaningful changes to the hydrological regime of the shoreline.

[5:23:59] Voice 9: And basically said he would have to do a proper site visit if he was going to do this,

[5:24:05] Voice 9: but to wait for any geological specific concerns from Athens Trust,

[5:24:11] Voice 9: because they don't see any, we don't see any as such.

[5:24:18] Voice 9: So our involvement may be limited.

[5:24:21] Voice 9: And then in terms of other ways of doing it,

[5:24:25] Voice 9: our main concern was really the rock buff

[5:24:29] Voice 9: that was up above that we've been having rock slides for.

[5:24:33] Voice 9: And in previous experiences on property,

[5:24:38] Voice 9: we had geotech come in because rocks had fallen

[5:24:40] Voice 9: from our property onto the neighbor's property.

[5:24:42] Voice 9: and really we were advised to put in a wall with some space for rocks to go behind um

[5:24:50] Voice 9: we use that as part of our guidance for doing the wall that we created for the stairs um and then

[5:24:57] Voice 9: lastly really about vegetation any help to figure out how to stabilize that hill would be appreciated

[5:25:03] Voice 9: any suggestions so um i

[5:25:07] Trustee Luckham: think that's it from our side thank you so trustees do you have any

[5:25:12] Trustee Luckham: questions for staff or the applicant would you like to make a motion trustee no

[5:25:16] Trustee Patrick: i i have some

[5:25:17] Trustee Patrick: questions sorry um well being a non-practicing geologist there's not a lot you can do when the

[5:25:24] Trustee Patrick: geology cards aren't dealt in your favor so i'm sorry um the i i mean i understand so all the rip

[5:25:35] Trustee Patrick: wrap and the rocks that were placed that's allowed through the shoreline um rules on paris island

[5:25:43] Planner Mayes (probable): That's right, so sea walls and walkways accessory to a permitted use are permitted as accessory uses in the shoreline one zone on Piers Island.

[5:25:54] Planner Mayes (probable): Notwithstanding though, there is likely an application required through the Ministry of Forest Lands, Natural Resources and everything else after that.

[5:26:07] Trustee Patrick: I'm sorry in regard to the the rock wall I'm talking about not the concrete wall but the rock

[5:26:13] Trustee Patrick: wall the

[5:26:16] Planner Mayes (probable): the seawall this portion yes yes so that is located on the shoreline one portion of the

[5:26:24] Planner Mayes (probable): property so that's this section over here so the natural

[5:26:29] Planner Mayes (probable): boundary is indicated in blue

[5:26:31] Planner Mayes (probable): loop and the shoreline

[5:26:34] Planner Mayes (probable): is beyond it i

[5:26:35] Trustee Patrick: i i understand that i'm just i'm still just a bit

[5:26:39] Trustee Patrick: alarmed that someone can build a you know a riprap wall clearly using heavy equipment and that's okay

[5:26:45] Trustee Patrick: that's all i'm just trying to learn uh what what is that that happened so you're saying that that's

[5:26:56] Trustee Patrick: okay they don't need permission from islands trust to build a wall of that nature on the

[5:27:02] Planner Mayes (probable): the shoreline zone shoreline one zone no um so not from the island's trust but likely from the

[5:27:07] Planner Mayes (probable): province yes okay

[5:27:09] Trustee Patrick: um so i take it the province is aware of this wall is that then that

[5:27:15] Planner Mayes (probable): would be my

[5:27:16] Planner Mayes (probable): understanding from my discussions with bylaw enforcement okay

[5:27:19] Trustee Patrick: i'm just curious all right uh

[5:27:21] Trustee Patrick: then the funicular was previously approved but this looks like a new install so this is a new

[5:27:27] Trustee Patrick: installation that are re this the funicular itself is was is that a new structure that was

[5:27:36] Trustee Patrick: upgraded when the dock was upgraded no so

[5:27:43] Trustee Patrick: this is the original structure that was put in under

[5:27:45] Trustee Patrick: the development variance permit i'm just trying to understand the timing

[5:27:49] Trustee Luckham: 2016 i think christine said

[5:27:54] Voice 9: 2006. it was

[5:27:55] Voice 9: yeah it was prior to us all we did as part of that fund when we put in the warfoot

[5:28:00] Voice 9: which we went through the application process.

[5:28:03] Voice 9: It's right beside, we wanted to put the war foot beside it

[5:28:06] Voice 9: again so we could use the funicular

[5:28:08] Voice 9: to get down to the war foot.

[5:28:11] Voice 9: So we aligned the back of the war foot the best we could

[5:28:15] Voice 9: to beside the footing on the funicular.

[5:28:19] Voice 9: And then we reinforced that footing

[5:28:21] Voice 9: because it's really crumbly shale

[5:28:25] Voice 9: and we didn't want to undermine that footing.

[5:28:28] Voice 9: So we reinforce the footing as part of the four foot project.

[5:28:34] Voice 9: Okay,

[5:28:37] Trustee Patrick: I think I understand it better.

[5:28:43] Voice 25: Okay, we happy to make a motion?

[5:28:58] Voice 25: I can't hear you, Peter, unmute.

[5:29:07] Trustee Grove: I am, I believe.

[5:29:09] Trustee Grove: Can you hear me now?

[5:29:10] Trustee Grove: Yeah.

[5:29:11] Trustee Grove: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:29:13] Trustee Grove: approve issuance of development variance permit

[5:29:16] Trustee Grove: SSDVP 2021.18.

[5:29:20] Trustee Patrick: I'll second that motion.

[5:29:21] Trustee Luckham: Okay, moved and seconded.

[5:29:23] Trustee Luckham: Is there any further discussion?

[5:29:25] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick?

[5:29:26] Trustee Patrick: No, well, I thank the applicant,

[5:29:28] Trustee Patrick: but I mean, I know this has happened a few times

[5:29:31] Trustee Patrick: with the rock wall and heavy equipment

[5:29:33] Trustee Patrick: on the beach and so forth.

[5:29:34] Trustee Patrick: And I know you're a tight community

[5:29:36] Trustee Patrick: and I have a great deal of respect

[5:29:37] Trustee Patrick: for the folks in Parris Island.

[5:29:39] Trustee Patrick: And I know there's erosion on that side

[5:29:42] Trustee Patrick: from ferry wash and lots of issues,

[5:29:43] Trustee Patrick: but to do what we can to try to share your story

[5:29:48] Trustee Patrick: of what you've learned so that, you know,

[5:29:52] Trustee Patrick: we can go through the processes, you know,

[5:29:54] Trustee Patrick: correctly and minimize the damage on the foreshore.

[5:30:00] Voice 25: understand very good

[5:30:01] Voice 25: thank you so

[5:30:03] Trustee Luckham: any further discussion all those in favor none opposed that

[5:30:09] Trustee Luckham: carries okay very good thank you very much christine for your help on that one i think

[5:30:14] Trustee Luckham: this next one is also yours which is salt spring rezoning 2020.1 mcalpine 1351 mountain road

[5:30:22] Trustee Luckham: uh this is for second reading of um rrp permit and oversight boathouse so we've seen this a few

[5:30:30] Trustee Luckham: times i think over to you christine did

[5:30:33] Planner Mayes (probable): you have yes uh so this staff report is proposing

[5:30:37] Planner Mayes (probable): amendments to sultan land use bylaw number 355 and that is to make lawful an oversized

[5:30:42] Planner Mayes (probable): boathouse just one and to establish a 15 meter setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[5:30:47] Planner Mayes (probable): and that just as a reminder those are uh the photo orthophoto and the zoning map associated with the

[5:30:54] Planner Mayes (probable): subject property on the opposite end of Mountain Road. So this report follows a preliminary report

[5:31:02] Planner Mayes (probable): staffer sorry a second staff report at the November 10th 2021 meeting of the local trust

[5:31:07] Planner Mayes (probable): committee where proposed bylaw 525 was read for a first time and staffer requested to refer

[5:31:12] Planner Mayes (probable): the proposed bylaws to agencies organizations and first nations. The report explores the issues and

[5:31:19] Planner Mayes (probable): an opportunity of the say out First Nation referral response.

[5:31:26] Planner Mayes (probable): Staff, the proposed land use by-law amendment

[5:31:29] Planner Mayes (probable): is generally consistent with the relevant

[5:31:30] Planner Mayes (probable): Saltsbram official committee plan number 434

[5:31:33] Planner Mayes (probable): policies and objectives,

[5:31:34] Planner Mayes (probable): as well as the Island Trust Policy Statement

[5:31:37] Planner Mayes (probable): and as such can be advanced.

[5:31:39] Planner Mayes (probable): Staff are recommending that the local trust committee

[5:31:42] Planner Mayes (probable): consider second reading of the proposed by-law

[5:31:44] Planner Mayes (probable): and request staff to schedule

[5:31:45] Planner Mayes (probable): community information meeting and public hearing.

[5:31:48] Planner Mayes (probable): and those recommendations are there in front of you for your consideration happy to answer any

[5:31:52] Planner Mayes (probable): questions and i believe i've seen doug in the audience the applicant okay

[5:31:59] Trustee Luckham: does the applicant

[5:32:00] Trustee Luckham: wish to speak to the ltc regarding

[5:32:04] Voice 20: this second reading you have to unmute yourself doug oh there

[5:32:15] Voice 15: we go can you hear me now i do yeah

[5:32:19] Voice 15: okay yeah i have nothing to add at this point christine seems

[5:32:24] Voice 15: seems to be handling everything just fine.

[5:32:29] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you very much.

[5:32:33] Trustee Luckham: So then I'll ask trustees if you have any questions

[5:32:36] Trustee Luckham: for staff or the applicant.

[5:32:40] Trustee Luckham: I

[5:32:40] Trustee Patrick: think we've been around this one twice before.

[5:32:43] Trustee Luckham: We have,

[5:32:44] Trustee Patrick: so we have

[5:32:44] Trustee Luckham: three motions here

[5:32:45] Trustee Luckham: if you'd like to take turns.

[5:32:47] Trustee Patrick: I can make the first one.

[5:32:49] Trustee Patrick: I moved that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:32:50] Trustee Patrick: bylaw number 525 cited the Salt Spring Island land use

[5:32:54] Trustee Patrick: used bylaw number 355, 1999, amendment number 2, 2021.

[5:32:59] Trustee Patrick: You read a second time.

[5:33:01] Trustee Luckham: I'll second that.

[5:33:02] Trustee Luckham: Seconded by Trustee Grove.

[5:33:04] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[5:33:05] Trustee Luckham: No, all those in favor?

[5:33:08] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[5:33:09] Trustee Grove: And I will move that the Salt Spring Island

[5:33:11] Trustee Grove: Local Trust Committee has reviewed

[5:33:12] Trustee Grove: the island's trust policy statement

[5:33:14] Trustee Grove: directives only checklist

[5:33:15] Trustee Grove: and determined that bylaw number 525

[5:33:17] Trustee Grove: cited the Salt Spring Island land use bylaw number 355,

[5:33:21] Trustee Grove: 1799 amendment number 2 2021 is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust

[5:33:27] Trustee Grove: policy statement moved

[5:33:31] Trustee Luckham: and seconded by trustee patrick any discussion no all those in favor

[5:33:35] Trustee Luckham: that carries none opposed and

[5:33:39] Trustee Patrick: i'll move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:33:41] Trustee Patrick: requests staff to schedule a community information meeting and public hearing for bylaw number 525

[5:33:46] Trustee Patrick: cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number 2 2021

[5:33:51] Trustee Patrick: 21st

[5:33:53] Trustee Luckham: trustee grove any discussion all those in favor that also carries i believe that that does

[5:34:03] Trustee Luckham: that and christine mays over to you all

[5:34:07] Planner Mayes (probable): right i suppose i would be remiss if i didn't um highlight

[5:34:10] Planner Mayes (probable): after your your discussions earlier in the meeting regarding the uh request from the

[5:34:16] Planner Mayes (probable): sale out for stations regarding the uh aoa or sort of the archaeological overview assessment

[5:34:23] Planner Mayes (probable): and there was an alternative provided to you.

[5:34:26] Planner Mayes (probable): So I'm not sure if you guys are interested

[5:34:28] Planner Mayes (probable): in considering that further

[5:34:30] Planner Mayes (probable): or if you guys are done with the item.

[5:34:35] Trustee Luckham: Trustees?

[5:34:38] Trustee Patrick: So, sorry, so to understand that the stay out

[5:34:41] Trustee Patrick: has requested a copy of the report that they've done.

[5:34:44] Planner Mayes (probable): They requested an archeological impact assessment.

[5:34:48] Planner Mayes (probable): We do have on file an archeological overview assessment

[5:34:52] Planner Mayes (probable): that the applicant provided.

[5:34:53] Planner Mayes (probable): there were some some challenges of us providing that as a third party having received that

[5:35:01] Planner Mayes (probable): and so the LTC or sorry senior intergovernmental policy advisor advised that if the LTC wish to

[5:35:11] Planner Mayes (probable): sort of you know consider the request from the say out that they do so by requesting the applicants

[5:35:18] Planner Mayes (probable): can send that report i

[5:35:20] Trustee Patrick: i think that's reasonable i'm willing to make that motion if there's no

[5:35:25] Trustee Patrick: okay i move that the salt spring island local trust committee requests that the applicants

[5:35:29] Trustee Patrick: send the archaeological overview assessment to the stay out first nation moved

[5:35:35] Trustee Luckham: seconded by peter

[5:35:37] Trustee Luckham: grove any discussion all those in favor that carries unanimously thank you very much okay

[5:35:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay, anything further on that one?

[5:35:48] Trustee Luckham: No, all right, thank you very much, Christine,

[5:35:51] Trustee Luckham: for your good work.

[5:35:53] Trustee Luckham: That does it for applications or referrals.

[5:35:56] Trustee Luckham: I'd like to lead us back, if you don't mind,

[5:35:58] Trustee Luckham: before we get to other business,

[5:36:00] Trustee Luckham: to one piece of business left over from this,

[5:36:02] Trustee Luckham: well, it's potentially two pieces of business

[5:36:04] Trustee Luckham: left over from this morning.

[5:36:06] Trustee Luckham: But for simplicity, I'm going to go to 8.3,

[5:36:09] Trustee Luckham: and that's our draft bylaw number 526,

[5:36:12] Trustee Luckham: which is changes to residential permissions

[5:36:14] Trustee Luckham: and agricultural land reserve and bylaw amendment options

[5:36:17] Trustee Luckham: for dwellings on large farms.

[5:36:19] Trustee Luckham: And I apologize to whomever the staff member is.

[5:36:22] Trustee Luckham: I suspect it might be, oh, it's Planner Mays.

[5:36:26] Trustee Luckham: Oh, good, so you're here.

[5:36:27] Trustee Luckham: That's perfect timing.

[5:36:29] Trustee Luckham: Where's the Planner Gordon over there?

[5:36:31] Trustee Luckham: I got two-

[5:36:32] Trustee Luckham: It's both of

[5:36:32] Trustee Luckham: us, for the

[5:36:34] Planner Mayes (probable): price of one.

[5:36:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, we can be the tag team if you want to start us off.

[5:36:39] Planner Mayes (probable): Wonderful, so I've drawn the short straw

[5:36:42] Planner Mayes (probable): on the presentation side on this one.

[5:36:44] Planner Mayes (probable): on so uh all right um so this staff report is proposing amendments to salt spray island land

[5:36:50] Planner Mayes (probable): use bylaw number 355 that's following preliminary referral and consideration of changes to the

[5:36:56] Planner Mayes (probable): agricultural land commission residential permissions within the agricultural land

[5:36:59] Planner Mayes (probable): reserve and complementary amendments to section 3.17 of the land use bylaw to utilize subdivision

[5:37:06] Planner Mayes (probable): potential for farm worker housing um and at your special meeting of november the 18th you passed

[5:37:12] Planner Mayes (probable): the following resolution so we did a preliminary referral prior to first reading of of the bylaw

[5:37:18] Planner Mayes (probable): that was uh conceptualized by myself and planner gordon um so the key that this report explored

[5:37:27] Planner Mayes (probable): issues and opportunities including farm worker dwelling unit definition secondary suites and

[5:37:31] Planner Mayes (probable): additional dwellings a 500 meter 500 square meter limit on the dwelling units additional temporary

[5:37:38] Planner Mayes (probable): temporary farm worker housing, recommendations of the Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries

[5:37:43] Planner Mayes (probable): and the Agricultural Land Commission, as well as a covenant template.

[5:37:49] Planner Mayes (probable): Following early referral of the bylaw, staff attended information sessions held by the

[5:37:55] Planner Mayes (probable): Ministry of Agriculture, the Agricultural Land Commission, and have sought to incorporate the

[5:37:58] Planner Mayes (probable): changes to the bylaw in consideration of the comments and concerns from the agricultural

[5:38:03] Planner Mayes (probable): communities and various stakeholders. The amended draft bylaw for consideration of first reading

[5:38:08] Planner Mayes (probable): including addresses proposed amendments of the definition of the farmer per dwelling unit, which is to include immediate family permit secondary suites on all agricultural zone properties permits a second accessory dwelling unit for lots classified as a farm 1.2

[5:38:24] Planner Mayes (probable): hectares or greater in area and that's either lawful non-conforming or a new farm or crude

[5:38:31] Planner Mayes (probable): dwelling unit which would require covenant restricting use changes various information

[5:38:37] Planner Mayes (probable): notes and that the request of provincial agencies removes processing and sale regulations as well

[5:38:43] Planner Mayes (probable): as maximum number of campsites per hectare as the reduced number of permitted sites and also

[5:38:50] Planner Mayes (probable): adds of regulation restricting the floor area of all dwelling units to 500 square meters to mirror

[5:38:56] Planner Mayes (probable): article 20.1 1b the agricultural land commission act and the amended draft by law is supported by

[5:39:04] Planner Mayes (probable): official community plan policies and objectives notably b.2.2.2.16 and b.6.2.28 a and g and is

[5:39:14] Planner Mayes (probable): generally supported by the islands trust policy statement directives policies um as such staff

[5:39:20] Planner Mayes (probable): are recommending that the local trust committee consider first reading of the draft bylaw

[5:39:24] Planner Mayes (probable): and referral of the bylaw to agencies and first nations and those recommendations are there in

[5:39:29] Planner Mayes (probable): front of you for consideration and myself and planner gordon are happy to answer any questions

[5:39:35] Trustee Luckham: okay um any questions trustees nodding both no i think everyone out so then um let us uh go to

[5:39:48] Trustee Luckham: through page 115 and i'm

[5:39:51] Trustee Patrick: happy to proceed i moved that salt spring island local trust committee

[5:39:54] Trustee Patrick: bylaw number 526 cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 uh 1999 amendment number 3

[5:40:03] Trustee Patrick: 2021 be read a first time i

[5:40:06] Trustee Grove: second that all

[5:40:08] Trustee Luckham: right moved and seconded is there any discussion

[5:40:10] Trustee Luckham: i

[5:40:11] Trustee Patrick: just wanted to thank staff i think um you know i think it's a combination of the good relationship

[5:40:17] Trustee Patrick: that we're building with the agricultural community.

[5:40:19] Trustee Patrick: And I thank you for being proactive

[5:40:20] Trustee Patrick: and working hard on developing this draft.

[5:40:24] Trustee Patrick: And I look forward to it moving through the process.

[5:40:28] Trustee Patrick: Very good, okay.

[5:40:32] Trustee Luckham: Then I'll call the vote.

[5:40:34] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:40:36] Trustee Luckham: And that carries, none opposed.

[5:40:38] Trustee Luckham: And I

[5:40:38] Trustee Grove: will move that the

[5:40:39] Trustee Grove: Salt Stream Island Local Trust Committee

[5:40:40] Trustee Grove: request staff refer proposed bylaw number 526

[5:40:43] Trustee Grove: to agencies, organizations, and First Nations

[5:40:46] Trustee Grove: as identified in this staff report

[5:40:48] Trustee Grove: dated February 15th, 2022.

[5:40:52] Trustee Luckham: Moved and seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[5:40:54] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[5:40:56] Trustee Luckham: No, okay.

[5:40:57] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:40:59] Trustee Luckham: And that carries two.

[5:41:01] Trustee Luckham: And I'll also thank Trustee Patrick for her remarks.

[5:41:05] Trustee Luckham: I think those meetings we've been having

[5:41:06] Trustee Luckham: have been really helpful

[5:41:07] Trustee Luckham: and certainly appreciated that the ALC

[5:41:10] Trustee Luckham: has moved a little bit on the line

[5:41:13] Trustee Luckham: they've been on for years.

[5:41:15] Trustee Luckham: So that's great.

[5:41:15] Trustee Luckham: Great. Now then, trustees, it seems to me we left something hanging there at 8.2 on the housing action program, because I think there was more conversation to be had.

[5:41:32] Trustee Luckham: So they're going to ask you, do you recall what other issue there was to raise there or have we completed that one?

[5:41:43] Trustee Luckham: And Planet Garbo might well remember. You keep notes on the conversation.

[5:41:48] Trustee Luckham: so i'll

[5:41:49] Voice 13: turn it over to

[5:41:49] Trustee Luckham: planet garbo to see if she remembers that we didn't hear

[5:41:52] Voice 13: uh we kind of

[5:41:54] Voice 13: spring a sudden resolution right to

[5:41:57] Voice 13: consider uh and to support a more uh robust and public

[5:42:04] Voice 13: engagement activities for the housing action program yeah

[5:42:08] Trustee Luckham: your voice is broken up there a

[5:42:10] Trustee Luckham: little bit i don't know if you can improve that but um now you've reminded me it was uh some

[5:42:16] Trustee Luckham: some funding to do some more communications.

[5:42:22] Voice 24: Right, yeah, sorry about that.

[5:42:25] Voice 24: Yeah, and we actually, I forward a proposed resolution

[5:42:29] Voice 24: to Sarah, maybe she can show to you

[5:42:33] Voice 24: and see for you to consider.

[5:42:36] Voice 24: Okay.

[5:42:37] Voice 24: I can certainly read it too, I need to.

[5:42:42] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[5:42:43] Voice 24: sure, why don't you read it

[5:42:44] Trustee Luckham: while Sarah's getting that up on the screen.

[5:42:46] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[5:42:46] Trustee Luckham: That'll put us in good shape.

[5:42:47] Trustee Luckham: and if that sounds like something we want to do we can move on that

[5:42:50] Voice 24: sure we're proposing a

[5:42:52] Voice 24: resolution that say that the ltc the local trust committee supports the reallocation of unspent

[5:43:00] Voice 24: fund within the approved housing action program budget to seek consulting service to facilitate

[5:43:07] Voice 24: the public engagement program i'm

[5:43:10] Trustee Grove: happy to make that motion and

[5:43:13] Voice 25: trustee patrick and that's seconded

[5:43:17] Trustee Luckham: by trustee patrick that's really good um any discussion all those in favor that carries oh

[5:43:25] Trustee Luckham: i love that thank you okay thank you

[5:43:28] Trustee Patrick: i was just i was just going to add i was going to say that the

[5:43:32] Trustee Patrick: you know the community education i think is is important you know i've talked this

[5:43:36] Trustee Patrick: i think a lot of people have the false expectation that we can just x you know our workers can just

[5:43:42] Trustee Patrick: climb on ferries and come here and that there's so many jobs out there that you know before they

[5:43:48] Trustee Patrick: choose to climb on a ferry to come here yeah they're going to take another job where the

[5:43:54] Trustee Patrick: trades that are happily getting on the ferries because the people building their houses are

[5:43:58] Trustee Patrick: paying them while they sit on their ferries and you're paying them to come from off island

[5:44:03] Trustee Patrick: whereas a worker doesn't get paid during that commute time and so forth so there's a lot to

[5:44:07] Trustee Patrick: educate and help our community understand the problem and the challenges we face so thank you

[5:44:11] Trustee Patrick: okay

[5:44:13] Trustee Luckham: so thank you everyone so i'm going to now jump back to other business and the first new

[5:44:20] Trustee Luckham: business item is bylaw number 527 our fees bylaw here it's uh here for um consideration of readings

[5:44:29] Trustee Luckham: and forwarding to executive committee so uh david mollis stefan sermac are you going to present this

[5:44:35] Trustee Luckham: report quick summary sure

[5:44:38] Voice 11: mr chair thank you um i'll try to keep it short and sweet the ltc

[5:44:45] Voice 11: directed staff to amend the fees bylaw to be in concurrence with the recently amended trust

[5:44:52] Voice 11: council policy and model fees bylaw staff did that the ltc amended it referred it to the apcs

[5:45:00] Voice 11: the various APCs made comments that we've tracked

[5:45:05] Voice 11: for making recommendations to amend the fish community plan

[5:45:09] Voice 11: for what constitutes a community amenity.

[5:45:11] Voice 11: Otherwise, you've got one recommendation to support it

[5:45:15] Voice 11: and the others were mute on it, sorry, mute, sticky mouth.

[5:45:22] Voice 11: Although the Agriculture Advisory Plan Commission,

[5:45:26] Voice 11: bear with me for a second, I gotta scroll my notes.

[5:45:28] Voice 11: It's at the end.

[5:45:30] Voice 11: The Agriculture Advisory Planning Commission met after staff made the report, and then on February 3rd, they too passed a motion which included recommending amending the OCP to include local agricultural processing and local agricultural production, excluding cannabis.

[5:45:48] Voice 11: And you'll see that in your follow-up minutes, presumably at your next meeting.

[5:45:53] Voice 11: So, staff recommend, based on the referral and based on it being concurrent with the policy, that you give a first, second, third reading and forward it to the executive committee for approval.

[5:46:08] Voice 11: And, right, and that the LTC add public access to, pardon me, the third one.

[5:46:15] Voice 11: It's been a long wait for me to get to this.

[5:46:18] Voice 11: the and then the last one is to add public access to lake marine shorelines as an eligible community

[5:46:24] Voice 11: amenity but now that i'm reading that i wouldn't mind when we get there perhaps pausing so that i

[5:46:30] Voice 11: can add what the agriculture advisory planning commission also recommended so perhaps if mr

[5:46:36] Voice 11: chair if you're there we can start with just the reading and the referral and then we can discuss

[5:46:40] Voice 11: us the um ocp amendments okay

[5:46:45] Trustee Luckham: uh trustees um any questions or do you have to move to motions

[5:46:52] Trustee Luckham: no

[5:46:53] Trustee Patrick: we can i'll talk at three so i can move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:46:59] Trustee Patrick: bylaw number 527 cited a salt spring island local trust committee fees bylaw 2021 be given first

[5:47:04] Trustee Patrick: reading and oh do you need us to do them individually sorry i

[5:47:09] Voice 11: don't i i've double

[5:47:12] Voice 11: check and triple check that i know chair luckham calls me out on every administrative bylaw i bring

[5:47:16] Voice 11: but uh no as long as you clearly give first second and third reading be

[5:47:20] Trustee Patrick: given first second and third

[5:47:22] Trustee Patrick: reading and

[5:47:24] Trustee Grove: i'll second that

[5:47:25] Trustee Luckham: okay moved seconded any discussion all those in favor that carries

[5:47:33] Trustee Luckham: awesome next um

[5:47:35] Trustee Grove: local trust committee bylaw number five two seven size of the salt spring island

[5:47:41] Trustee Grove: and local trust committee fees by law 2021

[5:47:43] Trustee Grove: be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust

[5:47:45] Trustee Grove: for approval by the executive committee.

[5:47:48] Trustee Luckham: Moved.

[5:47:50] Trustee Luckham: Seconded.

[5:47:51] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, thank you.

[5:47:53] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[5:47:54] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:47:55] Trustee Luckham: That also carries.

[5:47:57] Trustee Luckham: And now the third item.

[5:48:01] Voice 11: Well, Mr. Chair, I'll reread what I have there,

[5:48:05] Voice 11: which is that the LTC add, quote,

[5:48:07] Voice 11: public access to lake and marine shorelines

[5:48:10] Voice 11: as an eligible community.

[5:48:13] Voice 11: I'd like to add in consideration what the Agriculture Advisory Planning Commission moved on February 3rd, is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee add, quote, public access to lake marine shorelines, comma, local agricultural processing and local agricultural production, excluding cannabis, end quote.

[5:48:39] Voice 11: I suppose there should be an and in there.

[5:48:41] Voice 11: um as an eligible community amenity in section h32 the salt spring island official community

[5:48:48] Voice 11: plan to the projects list and i apologize sarah i should have sent that to you ahead of time

[5:48:53] Voice 11: it's in my notes but

[5:48:57] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you um oh

[5:49:04] Voice 20: there we go so

[5:49:13] Trustee Luckham: any discussion you want to ask a question

[5:49:17] Trustee Grove: i am happy to move that the salt spring island local trust committee add public access to lake

[5:49:22] Trustee Grove: and marine shorelines and local agricultural processing and local agricultural processing

[5:49:29] Trustee Grove: excluding cannabis as an eligible community amenity in section h32 of the salt spring island

[5:49:36] Trustee Grove: official community plan to the projects list so

[5:49:40] Trustee Luckham: i'll uh that's moved and seconded thank you very

[5:49:44] Trustee Luckham: much any discussion all those in favor and that carries thank you very much i do believe that

[5:49:53] Trustee Luckham: that concludes our business today?

[5:49:55] Trustee Patrick: Not quite.

[5:49:56] Trustee Luckham: Oh.

[5:49:58] Trustee Patrick: Ganges Village Planning.

[5:50:00] Trustee Luckham: Oh, right.

[5:50:04] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that's at 7.1.2, you're right,

[5:50:08] Trustee Luckham: Ganges Village Planning.

[5:50:12] Trustee Luckham: So, do you want to speak to this, Trustee Patrick?

[5:50:16] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[5:50:16] Trustee Patrick: I think we had the report,

[5:50:20] Trustee Patrick: you had your report out in camera

[5:50:23] Trustee Patrick: that we did not appoint any additional members

[5:50:25] Trustee Patrick: to the uh the ganges village task force at this time while we considered i'm sorry i don't remember

[5:50:31] Trustee Patrick: the words exactly but the um representation on the task force um something along those lines um

[5:50:40] Trustee Patrick: so i i as i i think it's important i think it's been it's we're going to learn a lot we're going

[5:50:48] Trustee Patrick: to have the initial comments coming back from the visioning work that's being done by the

[5:50:56] Trustee Patrick: the consultant that's helping and supporting the group.

[5:51:00] Trustee Patrick: But I think it's a good time to sort of think about making sure that the task

[5:51:07] Trustee Patrick: force has good representation of your key stakeholder groups on the island,

[5:51:14] Trustee Patrick: the business community on the island,

[5:51:16] Trustee Patrick: and the people who live in the village area as well to make sure that we have

[5:51:21] Trustee Patrick: those voices on the task force.

[5:51:24] Trustee Patrick: so um i don't have a motion prepared for that and then in addition to that we need to

[5:51:31] Trustee Patrick: really lean into the like i said in cooperation part of of of the planning because the ganges

[5:51:39] Trustee Patrick: village plan really needs you know strong cooperation i know the crd at least our

[5:51:44] Trustee Patrick: director holman is very interested in the infrastructure aspects and in its relationship

[5:51:49] Trustee Patrick: relationship um and um and i know first nations we need to this is an opportunity a real opportunity

[5:51:58] Trustee Patrick: to do an area plan in this time period that we're in and and building our relationships with the

[5:52:04] Trustee Patrick: with the first nations and to you know to to bring the community on this converse bring together to

[5:52:10] Trustee Patrick: bring what is ganji's village look like and i know uh emily olsen you know pledged support

[5:52:16] Trustee Patrick: court such a approach and that he would do what he could to help even find additional funding if

[5:52:22] Trustee Patrick: necessary to uh to make this happen well so i don't have a motion prepared but i guess i mean

[5:52:29] Trustee Patrick: in regard to the task force i guess i could wing one about the salt spring island local trust

[5:52:36] Trustee Patrick: committee uh requesting staff to determine or to to determine the makeup

[5:52:46] Trustee Patrick: represent representative makeup of the task force or to be representative of i think

[5:52:55] Trustee Patrick: stake you know stakeholder groups local business community and residents of ganji's village okay

[5:53:11] Voice 22: Okay. So that

[5:53:14] Trustee Patrick: was a fling, fling on the fly.

[5:53:18] Voice 25: Did you capture that, Sarah? Excellent.

[5:53:36] Voice 20: And is

[5:53:39] Trustee Patrick: that what you had in mind?

[5:53:41] Trustee Patrick: I think that's, that's close. Now I think, you know,

[5:53:43] Trustee Patrick: I'm not expecting staff to come back and say these people meet that

[5:53:47] Trustee Patrick: representation, but I think we should kind of draw out what is a, you know,

[5:53:52] Trustee Patrick: how many people are from those groups or, or how,

[5:53:55] Trustee Patrick: how we could do that to make a task force be more representative.

[5:54:00] Trustee Patrick: Now, I didn't say First Nations should be on the task force.

[5:54:07] Trustee Patrick: That's, I think, a separate, I don't think that's appropriate or expected or worth asking is what I'm saying.

[5:54:15] Trustee Patrick: I think we have to bring the processes together somehow.

[5:54:21] Voice 22: Yeah.

[5:54:24] Trustee Patrick: But I think we can, this is our chance to sort of reset the task force,

[5:54:27] Trustee Patrick: because this is going to take a while to do a Ganges village area plan well in collaboration

[5:54:33] Trustee Patrick: with others is going to take time and it's worth taking that time anyway

[5:54:38] Trustee Grove: I will second that okay

[5:54:40] Trustee Luckham: so that's moved and seconded then um any discussion no okay then all those in favor

[5:54:48] Trustee Grove: Louisa has a hand up

[5:54:52] Trustee Luckham: Louisa are you voting no

[5:54:55] Voice 24: I have a question sure I

[5:54:59] Voice 24: guess I just need

[5:55:00] Voice 24: some clarification uh we can certainly make recommendation of uh where are the missing voice

[5:55:08] Voice 24: um but i guess my question is are we doing that in consultation with the task force or just

[5:55:14] Voice 24: as a department alone or internally figure it out because we already seek some input from the

[5:55:21] Voice 24: task force at the last meeting not the very last one the one before where they would like to keep

[5:55:28] Voice 24: bit small so they're not looking at in fact the recommendation was to increase only to fill only

[5:55:35] Voice 24: two vacant seats and so there's that as far as the number it's already discussed that they prefer it

[5:55:44] Voice 24: to be not too large and would the direction be take it back to them and ask them where they feel

[5:55:52] Voice 24: the missing voices and how they want to structure the background so some direction would be helpful

[5:56:01] Trustee Luckham: trustee patrick well

[5:56:02] Trustee Patrick: this is our task force to advise on the project and to you know to make

[5:56:11] Trustee Patrick: this project larger and more to make it more collaborative in nature means we need to have

[5:56:15] Trustee Patrick: more voices present and this group really should be advisory and meeting on a you know not a monthly

[5:56:22] Trustee Patrick: monthly basis sort of in responding to the advice or advising on this and I think it's you know it's

[5:56:30] Trustee Patrick: important to make sure that the right balance of representation is there and I think that would be

[5:56:34] Trustee Patrick: some interesting feedback perhaps from the task force but you know staff's experience too what's

[5:56:39] Trustee Patrick: the balance between residents business stakeholder groups and are there some stakeholder groups that

[5:56:45] Trustee Patrick: are more vitally important like the arts community I was thrilled to see we had another candidate

[5:56:50] Trustee Patrick: they come forward from the arts community ah that was a voice that was absolutely missing so um i

[5:56:56] Trustee Patrick: think that would be some feedback that would be helpful as what which of the stakeholders because

[5:56:59] Trustee Patrick: salt spring has thousands of groups that could be considered stakeholders which ones absolutely

[5:57:06] Trustee Patrick: are what nature or type of voice would should be seen um or reflected in the task force so i think

[5:57:15] Trustee Patrick: think it's you know less whether it should be bigger or small but more what should be represented

[5:57:21] Trustee Patrick: there and i think staff would look to staff to sort of say what maybe the weights of those things

[5:57:26] Trustee Patrick: are okay

[5:57:29] Voice 24: because we did do a quick analysis in this staff report and also there was the experience

[5:57:35] Voice 24: matrix for reference uh what we could do if i understand correctly is at the uh next meeting

[5:57:45] Voice 24: meeting is to bring back a recommendation based on the applications correct

[5:57:52] Trustee Patrick: and who lives there

[5:57:53] Trustee Patrick: too it's it's it's residents making sure we're getting that resident voice as well so I think

[5:57:58] Trustee Patrick: that's some of the current task force and I don't I don't know where they live you know of who who

[5:58:03] Trustee Patrick: lives in the village or in the village capture area okay

[5:58:08] Voice 24: I think I understand okay thanks okay

[5:58:16] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so are we ready for the vote then?

[5:58:20] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:58:22] Trustee Luckham: So that carries.

[5:58:25] Trustee Luckham: Did you have something else there?

[5:58:27] Trustee Luckham: And Stefan, did you have something to add?

[5:58:31] Voice 11: I do, Mr. Chair, just one last food for thought.

[5:58:34] Voice 11: I'm sorry, it's been a long day.

[5:58:35] Voice 11: I'd like to get you out.

[5:58:37] Voice 11: You may turn your attention now to the next meeting,

[5:58:40] Voice 11: whether or not you want it to be electronic

[5:58:42] Voice 11: for judging by the notifications we're hearing

[5:58:45] Voice 11: from the BC government that bigger meetings are okay.

[5:58:50] Voice 11: maybe you want to meet at the church next time i just bring it up for your attention

[5:58:55] Voice 11: it's a good time to think about it otherwise we'll of course we can do this by rwm if you

[5:58:59] Voice 11: want to go electronic or what have you just gotta bring that to your final attention so what's your

[5:59:06] Trustee Luckham: pleasure i'm okay with as you can see coming to salt spring to have a meeting i at

[5:59:13] Trustee Grove: this point i

[5:59:14] Trustee Grove: they would support it

[5:59:15] Trustee Patrick: yeah i think if let's we want this pandemic to die down so let's let's

[5:59:21] Trustee Patrick: hope it is okay

[5:59:24] Trustee Luckham: and uh any one of you can obviously participate electronically if for

[5:59:28] Trustee Luckham: some reason you don't wish to come but um let's plan on this being in person then okay is there

[5:59:36] Trustee Luckham: any further business today great well then let's call the meeting adjourned and stefan i'm going

[5:59:42] Trustee Luckham: going to leverage some of your staff to drive me to the ferry so I can make it maybe use whoever

[5:59:47] Voice 11: you need sir thank you sir bye bye and Rob

[5:59:55] Trustee Luckham: I don't know if you're still online there