Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 30, 2024

[0:00:05] Voice 4: Chair Luckom, you're ready to go.

[0:00:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:00:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Welcome, everybody, to the

[0:00:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Cambria Island Local Trust Community

[0:00:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting of

[0:00:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Believe It or Not, The Live Service

[0:00:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2024.

[0:00:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to thank you, Kate, for picking us up at that

[0:00:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): very terminal.

[0:00:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's

[0:00:26] Voice 5: very terminal, yes.

[0:00:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): It looks like a very

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): homely.

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): me um and i'm glad that so many of you have joined us here thank you so i'm uh peter luckham i'm

[0:00:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): elected i'm the chair of trust council and the chair of this local trust committee and it's an

[0:00:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): absolute pleasure for me to be able to come over here and be here um you know it's uh one of the

[0:00:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): essential west coast experiences really on a day like this where the mist is moving around and um

[0:01:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): And as to visiting your island, really great for me to be here.

[0:01:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): And of course, at the same time, I'm grateful to live and work here in Coast Salish Territory,

[0:01:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): particularly because the Squamish people in Gambier,

[0:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's important to recognize the long, rich history of the people that have been here since the time of the memorial.

[0:01:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's lots of lessons to learn.

[0:01:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's plenty of good things, but there's also plenty of grief and sorrow.

[0:01:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we work at the islands trust every day thinking of that the history of this place

[0:01:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and uh and try our best to uh improve the situation and and um remedy some of the injustice

[0:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and inequity that has existed for too long so grateful for that i want to introduce um your

[0:01:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): your trustees that are likely to come to the region here.

[0:01:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hi there.

[0:01:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm from Keats Island and I'm your other representative.

[0:02:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And of

[0:02:04] Voice 13: course, Kate Greer-Stamford.

[0:02:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Hi.

[0:02:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Welcome.

[0:02:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's so nice to have more than just Rick Leavitt here.

[0:02:15] Voice 13: And Planner McArthur.

[0:02:17] Voice 13: Thank you for

[0:02:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): the journey today and joining us

[0:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and your great work.

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Sandra Zupanek, also an island planner.

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for being with us today

[0:02:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and your terrific work as well.

[0:02:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got some conversations ahead of us today.

[0:02:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to recognize Ruth Sines

[0:02:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): joining us as a delegate today.

[0:02:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Super nice to see you

[0:02:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the fabulous work that you do

[0:02:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): for years

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and years and years,

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): in particular, of course, now with the biosphere work.

[0:02:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's fabulous. It's amazing.

[0:02:45] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for that.

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have an agenda before us.

[0:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know i casually say it's a little bit of a light agenda we had one development permit has

[0:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): been requested to be um withdrawn uh to return at a later date um that's the one at um gambier dvp

[0:03:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): 20 23.4 okay joe's and so um that's a request and so i'm assuming that if that's satisfactory

[0:03:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): we will remove that from today's agenda any objection to that by general consent we'll do that

[0:03:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right and so is there anything else that we need to add to the agenda today

[0:03:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): paper it's

[0:03:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): not an addition it's another deletion uh number 11 under new business such like those

[0:03:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): regional district parks and how some bias for your region's request trustee staff

[0:03:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): stanford verbal update i think there was some miscommunication there i'm just going to speak to

[0:03:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): the SCRD's role in the OECM request at the time of the the delegation okay so

[0:03:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's not a separate

[0:03:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): new business item

[0:03:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): so you're going to speak to that when during the delegation yeah

[0:03:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah just to sort of remove that then yeah okay that's great thank you very much

[0:04:02] for it

[0:04:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): um anything further i

[0:04:07] Planner McCargar (probable): was just wondering will we come to 8.1 for the deferral of dvp

[0:04:12] Planner McCargar (probable): well there'll still be a chance there so notification has gone out to the community

[0:04:18] Planner McCargar (probable): around this dvp so

[0:04:19] Planner McCargar (probable): this would still be the opportunity for the community to have their

[0:04:23] Planner McCargar (probable): say if there's anyone here that has anything to say about that okay and there was obviously that

[0:04:29] Planner McCargar (probable): opportunity will exist at our next it will yeah

[0:04:32] Planner McCargar (probable): we just need to be really clear on when we get to

[0:04:35] Planner McCargar (probable): see we'll be considering it next so i have a little blurb to read from the applicant as to

[0:04:40] Planner McCargar (probable): when they have what meeting they've requested that this be okay would you like

[0:04:45] Planner McCargar (probable): that now okay

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): just uh for rationale for not including it in today's agenda yep

[0:04:52] Planner McCargar (probable): so they said to the local

[0:04:54] Planner McCargar (probable): press committee thank you very much for your time in considering and reviewing our application

[0:04:57] Planner McCargar (probable): It is much appreciated.

[0:04:59] Planner McCargar (probable): We would have loved to be there with you today, but unfortunately, we are away camping with

[0:05:02] Planner McCargar (probable): our children and without cell phone reception.

[0:05:05] Planner McCargar (probable): We received the notification of our application being on the agenda while we were away in

[0:05:09] Planner McCargar (probable): Europe and not checking our email, hence the delay in requesting to discuss it at a later

[0:05:13] Planner McCargar (probable): date.

[0:05:14] Planner McCargar (probable): We would very much welcome the opportunity to attend the meeting to offer any clarifying

[0:05:18] Planner McCargar (probable): remarks on our application and answer questions as they arise.

[0:05:22] Planner McCargar (probable): To do so, we would kindly ask the committee to consider discussing our variance application

[0:05:27] Planner McCargar (probable): patient in december and there'll be a way working in october the december meeting okay so is that

[0:05:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): clear to everybody was there anybody particularly attending in respect to that dvp

[0:05:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah it's a

[0:05:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): development yeah

[0:05:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so it'll be in the it'll be on our calendar in the meeting agenda

[0:05:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): now it seems all that stuff so great thank you for that all right so there's nothing

[0:05:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and selected further to add or remove from the agenda then okay so at least so the minutes will

[0:05:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): just record that that um was stated at the um called the approval of the agenda and so i'm

[0:06:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to take it then that with the removal of those two items at 11.1 and 8.1 that the agenda

[0:06:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): up be um approved as amended yeah okay

[0:06:19] Voice 9: that's

[0:06:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): fantastic so let us uh begin then so uh trustee

[0:06:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): reports is the first item on our agenda and um who would like to go first

[0:06:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure

[0:06:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i don't have a terrific amount to to report on um

[0:06:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i've really had a couple of focuses since the last meeting uh

[0:06:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): primary among them is in fact a public meeting that's scheduled tomorrow gibson's public market

[0:06:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): um with respect to um proposed bylaws 153 154 looking to demand the key silence bylaw

[0:06:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh that's really been my key focus with respect to um posterior business for our posterior

[0:07:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): now this meeting is not about that so i just encourage interested people to attend

[0:07:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to express their view as opposed to the proposed bylaws,

[0:07:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that's what the public meeting is for.

[0:07:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Since the last meeting,

[0:07:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we've also put a bit of time on committee work,

[0:07:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): specifically governance committee

[0:07:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and the Chief Administrative Officer Hiring Committee.

[0:07:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Governance committee,

[0:07:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'll briefly deal with both points here.

[0:07:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Governance committee has been tasked by the Trust Council

[0:07:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to prepare a letter to the province

[0:07:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): asking for a review of the Island Trust Act.

[0:07:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): The reason for that is to enable the Trust

[0:07:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): us to continue to be effective in fulfilling its mandate going forward into the future conditions

[0:07:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are quite different than 1974 when the act was drafted but this isn't the time or place to go

[0:07:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): into a tremendous amount of detail about that but one example is illustrative which is

[0:07:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): reconciliation as the chair pointed out just moments ago it's a serious priority for us

[0:07:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's important both as you know frankly it's a moral matter question of justice but it's also

[0:08:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): important in terms of just sorting out jurisdiction and what are objective rights

[0:08:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): there's a lot of work to be done there but the reality is the trust really doesn't have the

[0:08:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): tools that we need to address fundamental issues like that so that's that's the kind of reason

[0:08:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's going into the review,

[0:08:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is equip us to be able to fulfill that mandate

[0:08:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): into the future in the way it needs to be fulfilled.

[0:08:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): With respect to the Chief Administrative Officer

[0:08:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Hiring Committee,

[0:08:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Trust Council approved our recommendation

[0:08:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for the appointment of the acting CAO,

[0:08:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that is Julia Bobbs,

[0:08:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): who is formerly our Director of Financial Matters.

[0:08:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I've got the title now, Trust Services.

[0:08:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): administrator services there you go thank you uh effectively our she was our cfo um

[0:09:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and she's stepped into that role in an active capacity we have uh as mentioned in the previous

[0:09:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): meetings a an executive search firm uh is running a competition for us for the full-time employment

[0:09:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and it's open so the competition is now underway that's about all i can say about that so thank

[0:09:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Thank you for your time.

[0:09:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Thank you.

[0:09:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I

[0:09:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): can't figure out where to put everything.

[0:09:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): There's been a lot going on in the Gambier community,

[0:09:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): not specifically in my role as Island's Trust,

[0:09:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): but just to briefly go over some of the events.

[0:09:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): We had the fundraiser for the safety shelter,

[0:09:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): which I hear was very successful.

[0:09:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think it was a good lesson in how journalism

[0:09:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): journalism and newspapers work because it was the front page of the Coast Reporter and the way they

[0:09:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): showed it was a model of a two-bay fire station complete with a hose drying tower and the whole

[0:10:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): shebang and that is very much not what it is because we are a fire equipment group capabilities

[0:10:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): abilities on this island and not able to provide a full fire brigade at this point um but there's

[0:10:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): always hope so it's good it's good visioning i think that's how we could look at it uh the

[0:10:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): gambler island store for the first time in 15 12 15 years is up for sale um there's been some

[0:10:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): excitement about possibly how the community could come together um or just where the future

[0:10:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure is for that particular property uh whoever and whatever plans are made for that property

[0:10:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): it has a lot to do with planning and the islands trust because there's fish burying streams around

[0:10:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): it it's a very very tight um piece of property and it's got a lot of planning challenges on it

[0:11:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i think we're all becoming aware of the details what it would take to run a store

[0:11:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): successfully in Gambier but it is it's exciting to see it hopefully move on and evolve

[0:11:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and uh Ruth reminded me that Brigade Bay was designated as the first fire smart community on

[0:11:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Sunshine Coast and that took a lot of effort it's it's not a designation that's given lately

[0:11:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh there are some other communities in the running but it was really exciting to hear that Brigade Bay

[0:11:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): managed it and i think we're looking at sea ranch next month for um moving ahead with our smart

[0:11:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): from them and i'm also on the governance committee with trustee bernardo and that is that's deep work

[0:11:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's a lot of it and finally just looking forward to um saturday going to eastbourne for the uh

[0:12:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Eastbourne Community Association's AGM.

[0:12:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'll be representing probably the SCRD on that one.

[0:12:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think if you're going to be there, right?

[0:12:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): So you can

[0:12:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): do Island's Trust.

[0:12:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that's my Island's Trust.

[0:12:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, super.

[0:12:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Chair's report,

[0:12:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't have a lot or any activity on Canberra Keys necessarily.

[0:12:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've been appreciating what an amazing part of the world

[0:12:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): that you all have the opportunity to live in as I do over on Thetis of course as well but my work

[0:12:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): at trust council on our executive committee I'll just give you some highlights and it's sort of

[0:12:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): touched on even on today's agenda is the first nations referrals policy that we have associated

[0:12:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the work in with nations in order to inform them of the work that we're doing and seeking

[0:12:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): their feedback to better inform us for the position making that we're committed to engage

[0:13:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): with them on through our Reconciliation Action Plan.

[0:13:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we've had a chance to look at some first block

[0:13:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): just on that review process.

[0:13:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's lots of good materials there

[0:13:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that will advance through the council at some point.

[0:13:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Bylaw enforcement is often subject to it's raised

[0:13:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there's often concerns with how things are done

[0:13:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and what improvements might be made

[0:13:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): to make it more acceptable in the communities.

[0:13:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so there's been a review process underway

[0:13:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): for quite some time,

[0:13:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): working with the ombudsperson's office

[0:13:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and looking at how we're doing things.

[0:13:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's plenty of work there

[0:13:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): to improve the process, improve communications.

[0:13:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's even some computer software

[0:13:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): that coincidentally has been rolled out

[0:13:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): into the Islands Trusted and more broader context

[0:13:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): that has the ability to track bylaw enforcement.

[0:13:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there'll be a public portal so that you can actually go online and see what's happening in

[0:14:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): terms of bylaw enforcement. Not a lot of detail because there's some confidential and legal

[0:14:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): matters associated with that, but we're looking forward to a better overall process and better

[0:14:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): reporting out. The policy statement work is advancing through Trust Council and we've

[0:14:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually initiated a new tool, a new method of doing business at the Island Trust, which is

[0:14:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): called media the whole often municipalities and other agencies use that who's familiar with that

[0:14:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm sure but it's something new at the honest trust and we've enabled ourselves to do that to

[0:14:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): have more casual conversation less decision-making moments um so that we can have more informal

[0:14:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversations to advance the body of work so that when we get to a decision-making moment

[0:14:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're in a better position to make informed decisions and so that's uh policy statement

[0:14:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): is being advanced in that way and we've had a couple of those sessions now including legal

[0:14:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): advice and general conversation so we can look forward to that advancing through the fall

[0:14:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm hopeful that we can get that to uh to land this time around there's also a corporate planning

[0:15:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and strategic planning process underway that is again coming out of the governance and financial

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): planning committee work to improve how we're doing our business day-to-day business and that is

[0:15:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): overdue and welcome i'm so looking forward to that advancing as um as uh trustee bernardo mentioned

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): the cao hiring process is well underway and we're looking forward to filling that space but we're

[0:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly well looked after by julia moms who's really uh looking after us as we uh in the soon

[0:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): term period uh september trust council is the next on our horizon um and we're meeting in

[0:15:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): nanaimo we were hoping to meet on gabriella island but we couldn't manage a facility and

[0:15:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): catering and places for people to sleep adequately on the on the island in the summer period it's

[0:15:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): always difficult in the summer um but we're going to meet in nanaimo and looking forward to that so

[0:16:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that work is underway because Kate mentioned fire and fire is a topic of discussion.

[0:16:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just want to say and acknowledge that the loss of a significant portion of Jasper this last week is really heartfelt by all of us that all live in the wood, in the forest, in the woodlands, in the urban fire interface.

[0:16:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if you haven't seen the words from the mayor, who's lived there 60 years and lost his home.

[0:16:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): he was videotaped looking into the basement of his house was really inspiring that having lost

[0:16:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): everything he says we live in the forest and we have to accept the risks associated with that

[0:16:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you folks are certainly in that but you got to take care of the forest and do the best you can

[0:16:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be fire smart like this whole fire smart thing it's really important it saves homes

[0:16:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): saves you lives so that's it for me I'm now going to switch back to Kate for your electoral area

[0:16:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): to drive this apart um

[0:17:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): i thought i would just do a little bit deeper dive into the primary focus of

[0:17:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): the regional district which is water even though the regional water strategies and challenges that

[0:17:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): the rd is having is not really specific to gam here there's a lot of things that we're doing

[0:17:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): that i think as islanders we as a community could be more aware of our water usage um so

[0:17:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we are in a water deficit on the mainland, and the regional water system, which includes

[0:17:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): Eastbourne on Keats, continues to look for new and varied ways to help this deficit.

[0:17:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): We're working at diversifying the supply with the municipalities of Sechelt, Gibsons, and

[0:17:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Shishalt Nation as well as working with the Squamish and their development activities on

[0:17:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): the mainland. We're looking at new wells in the Sechelt area, better processing for some surface

[0:18:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): water including creek sources. We're looking at reservoirs. It's basically a whole gamut

[0:18:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): and trying to coordinate that across a very long piping structure.

[0:18:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so this has been quite challenging for us.

[0:18:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): Really what I want to get to is how we're working at goals for conservation.

[0:18:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): One of the things we're doing is putting in water meters,

[0:18:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): which are actually available on Eastbourne that haven't been activated yet.

[0:18:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and we are finding leaks from anywhere from 5 000 to 17 000 liters a day

[0:18:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): while by putting in these these water meters we hope to see a savings in water of up to 30

[0:18:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): potentially this is what happened in gibson's when they put water meters in again all this is

[0:19:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): about conservation and it's not just community-wide or city-wide this is things you can do into on

[0:19:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): your individual properties. We're also doing a communications campaign to get everyone down to

[0:19:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): 200 liters per day on the regional water system. Currently we're roughly at an average of 400

[0:19:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): liters per day per person. We're profiling our Area B director, Justine Gavius, who's an

[0:19:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): an organic farmer and she does have non-potable water tanks but she is using 70 liters per day

[0:19:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): the regional water system so she is our goal is is her water usage and that that you know that

[0:19:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): takes courage and it takes imagination but it's definitely doable so it's just a you know an

[0:19:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): an overall thought that we can all start moving to water conservation.

[0:20:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's just an important principle to have in our lives.

[0:20:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): I do continue to look for negotiated solutions for the New Brighton Dock.

[0:20:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): A lot of it is I'm unable to talk about.

[0:20:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): There's been a little bit of movement.

[0:20:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): I wish I could give some definitive information, but it's complex.

[0:20:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): I've been at this 10 years now, and there's never been a clear path forward how to make

[0:20:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): this work, but there has been a little bit of response back from the province, from Lisey

[0:20:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): Ferries, and hopefully within the next three months, I'm hoping before the election, I'll

[0:20:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): be able to have something more definitive to talk to the community about.

[0:20:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): A couple of weeks ago, I chaired a public hearing for the regional district, and it

[0:20:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): It was about riparian area protection regulations, unifying them across the Sunshine Coast, as well as marine setbacks to make all marine setbacks on the Sunshine Coast 15 meters.

[0:21:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Huge response on this.

[0:21:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): More than 300 submissions and 70 people in attendance at the meeting.

[0:21:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): The input was varied and wide-ranging, indicating the growing recognition of the importance of this issue.

[0:21:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that is something that we're also in the midst of, in Keats, and with the setbacks and Rappers being a part of our community on Gambier for about six years now.

[0:21:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'll just leave it at that. Those are some of the things I'm working on at the Regional District Club.

[0:21:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): A question for the club, do you have my name?

[0:21:53] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:21:53] Voice 9: yeah uh

[0:21:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm very intrigued by your remarks about water metering and trying to use that to

[0:22:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): encourage conservation as um uh two questions really some of those leaks you just read are

[0:22:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): really dramatic and i'm just i'm just plain curious as to like what's going on like what

[0:22:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): kind of leaks are there like is there a kind of a is an engineering technical problem that's

[0:22:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): pervasive indeed to be addressed or something like that. The other question is has the SRD,

[0:22:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this is a potentially common issue, put any thought into establishing, using the metering

[0:22:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to establish a pricing structure that encourages conservation?

[0:22:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that is the purpose of the

[0:22:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): metering. They will go to a volumetric process where people will pay for volume. What they're

[0:22:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): finding is that the leaks that it's a combination of if things happen and it's it's it's on private

[0:22:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): property it's underground you don't necessarily realize that you you're using that much water

[0:23:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): because you just suddenly have a nice lawn at all times right um people are cut off at times if they

[0:23:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't respond they their water has been cut off another issue that's come up is the type of um

[0:23:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): rock and especially towards the north part of the Sunshine Coast it's quite acidic and it's

[0:23:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): burning through older pipes so it's just sheer wear

[0:23:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and tear so the leaks are primarily in the

[0:23:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): connection from the system into the private property it's in the private right if it's if

[0:23:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's on the the public system you have a better way of accessing those lakes and we're not perfect

[0:23:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): it certainly leads there but this is a really good way of figuring it out

[0:23:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and is the pricing

[0:23:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): structure that's being discussed kind of like a graduating system or is it just one price per

[0:23:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): liter or does it the increase the more volume we use the higher the price that kind of thing

[0:23:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it'll

[0:23:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): be uh we're looking at different options right now but one of the considerations it's a

[0:24:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): base price and then you go up and the price increases that's somewhat

[0:24:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): like somewhat like

[0:24:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): But again, just to be clear, this has nothing to do with Yam here per se, but it does have an impact on Queen's and the rest of the Sunshine Coast.

[0:24:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for that detail.

[0:24:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): detail. So, this now brings us to delegations, the House Sound Biosphere Region Initiative

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Society regarding other active area-based conservation measures with the Alcatsum House

[0:24:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sound Biosphere Region. So, thank you Ruth for joining us. I've managed to get this up.

[0:24:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): We don't have a big screen, I'm sorry, but I've managed to get

[0:24:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): it up on my computer.

[0:24:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you

[0:24:57] Voice 5: for having me, and just to be clear, I've got five minutes.

[0:25:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think delegations are usually 10,

[0:25:07] Voice 9: but

[0:25:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): I missed that dialogue if that was what was going on.

[0:25:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think the standard is 85, but it's

[0:25:16] Planner McCargar (probable): to the LTC discretion.

[0:25:20] Voice 5: I will be giving a very high level answer.

[0:25:27] Voice 11: Thank

[0:25:27] Voice 5: you very much, thanks. Thanks for having me and it's really nice to be here in person.

[0:25:32] Voice 5: I made the trip over. I am a property owner on Gambier Island at Brigade Bay but I live

[0:25:39] Voice 5: full-time in the village of Lyons Bay where we have very similar problems. So yes, my role is

[0:25:45] Voice 5: As executive director and the lead of the Katsum House Sound Biosphere Regionalship Society,

[0:25:51] Voice 5: we're the non-profit society responsible for managing the designation of the UNESCO

[0:25:55] Voice 5: designation, which was in 2021, and here we are three years later.

[0:26:00] Voice 5: So I have a few updates on our work to date, but focusing in mostly on this one particular

[0:26:06] Voice 5: project that we've received four years of funding from Environment and Climate Change

[0:26:10] Voice 5: Canada on, which is about OECMs.

[0:26:13] Voice 5: And that, of course, then leads us to kind of coming down to more of the local level and what we're here to ask for support on.

[0:26:23] Voice 5: In the last three years since designation, it's just a reminder that the UNESCO Biosphere Region is 2,000 square kilometers.

[0:26:32] Voice 5: So it's the height of land to the bottom of the ocean.

[0:26:36] Voice 5: And it's partial watershed from Black Tusk to Cypress Creek in West Vancouver over to Chapman Creek.

[0:26:44] Voice 5: Or Chester Creek, rather, on the Sunshine Coast.

[0:26:47] Voice 5: The islands are a very important part of this beautiful area, of course.

[0:26:54] Voice 5: And just to say that out of our entire region,

[0:26:58] Voice 5: about 89% of the terrestrial area of the region

[0:27:02] Voice 5: is under some sort of management and shared stewardship

[0:27:05] Voice 5: of the province of BC and First Nations.

[0:27:08] Voice 5: And about 42% of the entire region is under some form of management

[0:27:13] Voice 5: management of conservation values.

[0:27:15] Voice 5: And particularly our significant glass sponge reefs, which were protected as marine refuges

[0:27:22] Voice 5: some years ago, are extremely important for a feature of our biosphere.

[0:27:27] Voice 5: So everywhere we're feeling the challenges of increased populations of people.

[0:27:33] Voice 5: We've expanded our network of what our work is as a nonprofit society is really about

[0:27:40] Voice 5: convening people, helping people understand the importance of biodiversity conservation.

[0:27:46] Voice 5: We look at the lens of sustainable development through the lens of the United Nations 17

[0:27:51] Voice 5: Sustainable Development Goals. And then our projects are focused on three programming areas,

[0:27:59] Voice 5: which is communications and engagement. It's advancing and bringing capacity to organizations

[0:28:06] Voice 5: in the region that are engaged in the work towards our common goals

[0:28:11] Voice 5: and reconciliation, equity, and diversity.

[0:28:15] Voice 5: And being a place for best practices in the region,

[0:28:19] Voice 5: a model region for the rest of internationally.

[0:28:23] Voice 5: And so it's an area to strive for doing the right thing.

[0:28:28] Voice 5: So we also just received charitable status this year.

[0:28:31] Voice 5: So we're making some advancements towards our own capacity

[0:28:35] Voice 5: is an organization. The other goal that we were needed to achieve was to create a management plan

[0:28:43] Voice 5: for the region and this is known as our N'Chitla Unity Plan and just to be clear for everybody this

[0:28:50] Voice 5: does not impose any rules or regulations. We're aspirational only. We're here to support and

[0:28:57] Voice 5: lift up people and organizations that are working towards common goals much like the Islands Trust.

[0:29:06] Voice 5: And so focusing down onto our particular topic here today, which is OECMs.

[0:29:13] Voice 5: For many, that's a term that's not that well understood or heard, but it's essentially created by the International Union Conservation Network,

[0:29:26] Voice 5: the standards towards what is an other effectively managed area for conservation.

[0:29:32] Voice 5: And that's really lands that are not fully protected, such as parks and indigenous lands that are fully protected for conservation, but lands that have other main purposes, but are still serving the purpose of protecting in situ biodiversity.

[0:29:52] Voice 5: So the creatures and the plants and the flora can all function effectively on this land, despite the...

[0:30:00] Voice 5: activities that are going on. This work is about understanding those lands that exist today

[0:30:06] Voice 5: that are serving that purpose, that are doing that, and getting the recognition for those lands

[0:30:13] Voice 5: and having them registered in the Canadian Protected Conservation Area Database.

[0:30:20] Voice 5: And it's this recording of this information that then Canada and our province and Canada and we

[0:30:27] Voice 5: We can all be proud to say that this percentage of land is managed in a way that achieves these goals.

[0:30:34] Voice 5: And when we look out here at Gambier Island, and so much of it is forest and so special here, it's so wild.

[0:30:41] Voice 5: And yet only 13% of it is right now, or sorry, that's of all the islands actually in Howe Sound.

[0:30:48] Voice 5: and this is an approximate number but it's very it's close enough to say that including the lands

[0:30:54] Voice 5: on the crown or the unceded indigenous lands only 13 percent right now is registered in the

[0:31:03] Voice 5: database as conserved and protected so when we think about the mandates of the islands trust

[0:31:09] Voice 5: to preserve and protect when we look at our management and i've on these slides i'm getting

[0:31:14] Voice 5: kind of off the slide here but on this slide you have right now it's got there is a provincial

[0:31:20] Voice 5: mandate there's to also support these global goals of achieving 30 by 30 and 30 percent of

[0:31:29] Voice 5: all lands in the country and 30 percent of the ocean that is protected and this is part of the

[0:31:35] Voice 5: global commitment that we've made. So yes I've quoted from various strategies and documents on

[0:31:44] Voice 5: on the next slide is also some definitions.

[0:31:48] Voice 5: So when we talk about CPCAD,

[0:31:50] Voice 5: we're referring to the database.

[0:31:51] Voice 5: When we talk about OECM,

[0:31:52] Voice 5: this is already referenced in IUCM.

[0:31:55] Voice 5: These are important standards of the IUCM that again,

[0:31:59] Voice 5: set kind of a decision support tool that enables planners

[0:32:03] Voice 5: and anyone else, land owners, governments,

[0:32:07] Voice 5: to look through the land that could possibly be registered

[0:32:11] Voice 5: and see if it meets this criteria.

[0:32:15] Voice 5: So we have Canada's target that following the COP 15, Canada has now released its biodiversity conservation strategy.

[0:32:30] Voice 5: So that's referenced in there.

[0:32:31] Voice 5: and of our total region of the biosphere region I think it's right now we're showing 33 percent

[0:32:40] Voice 5: of the terrestrial habitats and only three percent of our marine are registered as conservative

[0:32:46] Voice 5: protected so on the next slide is from the islands trust object three I just pulled out

[0:32:57] Voice 5: highlighted the areas there that to me align with

[0:33:00] Voice 5: these common goals of biodiversity conservation and that the trust acknowledges preserving and

[0:33:08] Voice 5: protecting the ecological integrity of island's trust is essential to our objects. On the next

[0:33:15] Voice 5: slide is zooming down again into this house sound island areas and the different kinds of

[0:33:25] Voice 5: designations are in the different colors there. So the brown is old growth

[0:33:30] Voice 5: management areas. This is the only one provincial

[0:33:39] Voice 5: management type that they have registered as an OECM. The provincial

[0:33:47] Voice 5: parks, a little controversial, but those are registered as protected. The islands,

[0:33:54] Voice 5: and nature reserves are in the database as protected and that's it uh so we have

[0:34:04] Voice 5: a opportunity here to um i think to look at and as particularly as going through zoning

[0:34:12] Voice 5: when i was looking at the islands trust and i think that's on my next slide um actually on

[0:34:18] Voice 5: the slide after that i'll just first skip to um this next slide which is we just are looking now

[0:34:24] Voice 5: Now, what lands on Gambier and the other islands as well are kind of the easy ones to realize that, gee, those are not in the database.

[0:34:35] Voice 5: And yet they really meet the definition quite easily.

[0:34:39] Voice 5: And the one in particular that we've found is super easy and has a significant size.

[0:34:45] Voice 5: It's Pete Shields Park, which is SCRD Park.

[0:34:50] Voice 5: And again, full disclosure, I have property here on.

[0:34:54] Voice 5: other side so but I'm actually familiar with that land because it's very steep it's not buildable

[0:35:00] Voice 5: and so we're really looking at this as an opportunity to say this is an easy one

[0:35:04] Voice 5: folks can we not just get this registered in the database and kind of use it as a pilot project to

[0:35:12] Voice 5: see how the other parks might go. So on the last next slide I was looking at the zoning

[0:35:17] Voice 5: And this is interesting because I guess I'm just realizing now the Gambier land use bylaw doesn't really have a definition, doesn't have a zoning that is just conservation or preservation.

[0:35:33] Voice 5: So maybe it's good timing with the OCP review and an opportunity right now to really start talking about should there not be a zoning specifically for conservation.

[0:35:43] Voice 5: And I will say that IPCAs, Indigenous Protected and Conserved Areas, those are included in this.

[0:35:52] Voice 5: So when we look at potentials, right now, there's no declared IPCAs.

[0:36:02] Voice 5: And if there are, and are to come, well, that's all part of this, fits these objectives.

[0:36:11] Voice 5: So that's one of the things that's kind of stood out to us because in this process of our biosphere regions supporting, and we're not the only ones, BC Nature is also looking at working with regional districts and municipalities on taking their existing parks and going through decision support tool and then helping them get them registered.

[0:36:29] Voice 5: But this process allows us to look at, can we do better?

[0:36:35] Voice 5: Are there some small changes in terms of long-term, in terms of zoning and other small management objectives that we could do to improve the protection of these areas?

[0:36:47] Voice 5: um and so i guess what we're asking for really is that uh to uh we're here to support and we would

[0:36:57] Voice 5: just welcome an opportunity for some conversation with with staff and trustees as we try to confirm

[0:37:04] Voice 5: our assumptions or our data and to look at zoning that could strengthen conservation protection

[0:37:11] Voice 5: for the long-term protection of biodiversity on those lands and then prioritize particularly

[0:37:18] Voice 5: the parts regional parts to move them out of rural residential because if they decide to

[0:37:24] Voice 5: divest and First Nations are not interested then those could be sold for development so

[0:37:32] Voice 5: that's that would be our kind of low-hanging fruit first steps thank you

[0:37:38] Voice 9: thank you okay

[0:37:40] Voice 13: Okay, so if there are any questions for Doug, yeah.

[0:37:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): So you've pointed out Kink Shields.

[0:37:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): Is that really, is that the reason why you picked that one?

[0:37:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): What is the specific thing why you picked it?

[0:37:54] Voice 5: Well, we're looking at the map of Gambier Island

[0:37:58] Voice 5: of the various parks that are designated on the island

[0:38:04] Voice 5: and it's a significant size

[0:38:05] Voice 5: and there's nothing going on on that land.

[0:38:08] Voice 5: there's no trails there's no no there's not even a potential or an interest um that we're aware of

[0:38:15] Voice 5: it's a day adjacent to the provincial park and adjacent to the nature reserve yeah so if it were

[0:38:21] Voice 5: to be divested to other could be to idle so we'd be right now the way it sits it's uh it i don't

[0:38:30] Voice 5: know that anybody's even aware that it's a regional park and i'm sure um i can't speak for

[0:38:36] Voice 5: the SCRD, but I would imagine they don't really need, aren't looking at managing, taking on more

[0:38:43] Voice 5: work. So it's like, seems like a really natural one to, to first of all, kind of recognize it for

[0:38:49] Voice 5: its wildness right now and look at how we can permanently protect it.

[0:38:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): You haven't had an opportunity to introduce your new employee.

[0:39:04] Voice 5: Yes, I'm very pleased.

[0:39:07] Voice 5: I'm sorry Samantha Wing is our new OECM project manager and Sam is very resident on the island

[0:39:17] Voice 5: here and a big participant in the community so and new to the job so we're all learning together

[0:39:22] Voice 5: here and looking forward we've got a terrestrial mapping project we have story maps we have quite

[0:39:28] Voice 5: a lot of other tools that we're working on as well

[0:39:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's just really exciting to have the locals

[0:39:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Locals, being such a big part of the household biosphere, it's great.

[0:39:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just coming up with some great people here.

[0:39:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): I do have a couple other questions.

[0:39:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): So just a comment.

[0:39:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): I did ask for some kind of response from the regional district,

[0:39:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): because I know this has been ongoing for quite a while.

[0:39:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): The response I got was not what I was hoping for.

[0:40:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): but the park staff are very supportive of the initiative and they'll be better positioned to

[0:40:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): consider peach shields park specifically as well as potentially other scrd owned parks

[0:40:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): the designation is protected or oecm after the the regional district ocp renewal and completion

[0:40:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): of a parks classification service level review which is big and long term um so i'm going to

[0:40:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): continue to work for trying to get this moved a little faster because it's not just what's

[0:40:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): available on the island there's some opportunities on the west house sound area that also may be part

[0:40:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): of this and i'd hate to lose it just because we aren't quite through with cp

[0:40:52] Voice 5: renewals and

[0:40:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): and et cetera, et cetera.

[0:40:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): So if there's any way that I can move it forward,

[0:40:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I think there's opportunity for the U.S. Trust

[0:41:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): to also continue to advocate for that.

[0:41:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): But I see that we have a role as well because of the zoning.

[0:41:09] Voice 5: Yeah, thank you for that.

[0:41:11] Voice 5: And just to reiterate, timing is now.

[0:41:13] Voice 5: We have funding

[0:41:14] Voice 5: and two organizations

[0:41:16] Voice 5: that are willing to do a lot of the work.

[0:41:19] Voice 5: And so it's just really a matter of consent and a few hours.

[0:41:23] Voice 5: so just reconfirm and so there's the capital regional district there's penticton i mean

[0:41:31] Voice 5: there's many examples of regional districts and municipalities across the province that are

[0:41:36] Voice 5: have already moved forward so thank you for your advocacy with that and

[0:41:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): and one of the

[0:41:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): aspects that i have had questions about is specifically um that the regional district

[0:41:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): would not consider this unless Sklomish Nation came up

[0:41:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): and said that this was where they would like to see it go.

[0:42:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's sort of another thing they're looking at,

[0:42:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): but there is a lot more communication with the Sklomish staff at this time

[0:42:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): on both Nihilist Trust and the SRD.

[0:42:11] Voice 5: Yeah, and I think to understand it's not changing anything.

[0:42:14] Voice 5: It's what it is, but absolutely we're very happy to do that communication

[0:42:19] Voice 5: as well with the nation and you know we have a co-chair that squamish nation yes so she reports

[0:42:24] Voice 5: back to the council okay

[0:42:29] Voice 9: i have nothing to add thank you okay

[0:42:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): well thank you uh ruse for coming

[0:42:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): today and bringing all this to our attention it's intriguing and interesting i'm interested in how

[0:42:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): it might be implemented in some fashion throughout the trust areas yeah um it's another way

[0:42:45] Voice 15: and um

[0:42:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do bring to the attention of the Gambria LTC issues where you need some attention, because although we certainly are keen to collaborate and cooperate and work together, if we're directing staff to do things, we need to direct staff to do things.

[0:43:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): And rezonings are rezonings, and so there's a process that's necessary there, but certainly in the OCP work that's ongoing now, anything that you want to submit to us to consider, I think would be welcomed by the LTC.

[0:43:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:43:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're

[0:43:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): going to stay.

[0:43:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's going to be Kate.

[0:43:27] Voice 9: Okay,

[0:43:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll get to that probably sooner than later, but we've got a bunch of business

[0:43:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): to conduct here, so let us begin with that.

[0:43:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Public comment period is our next item on the agenda, and this is an opportunity for

[0:43:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): anybody else in the audience here that wishes to address the local trust committee today,

[0:43:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): today. Primarily about topics that are on today's agenda or other topics that might

[0:43:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): be businesses in stream of rezoning or development permit that's not here today, but it's something

[0:43:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's happening. And then of course, other areas of advocacy or interest within the jurisdiction

[0:44:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the Alliance Trust. So is there anybody who wishes to address the Local Trust Committee

[0:44:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): today?

[0:44:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I'd

[0:44:09] Voice 19: like to ask a question to Trustee Stanford. You were talking about

[0:44:16] Voice 19: about the stopper for the fire machine.

[0:44:24] Voice 19: I don't want to call it a fire engine.

[0:44:26] Voice 19: Do you have any idea of the costs

[0:44:29] Voice 19: that are going to be involved in that,

[0:44:32] Voice 19: building that stopper, I was trying to say here?

[0:44:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): No, I'm not really involved with it.

[0:44:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): That is the community association

[0:44:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): as well as the fire crew.

[0:44:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): They're the ones that are spearheading

[0:44:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): the the fundraising for it but it's it is private fundraising that's going to be able to make that

[0:44:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): happen or not so i think there might be other people in the audience that might

[0:44:58] Voice 9: know a bit

[0:44:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): more about the actual cost but i have been looking at the detail thank

[0:45:02] Voice 18: you trustee kate um with the

[0:45:08] Voice 18: incident yesterday uh with the branch in the line we knew you're going to be here a couple months

[0:45:16] Voice 18: but it's so um obvious that trees that are overhanging the lines need to be trimmed back

[0:45:26] Voice 18: now there's probably not much we can do on people's property but but our road system here

[0:45:31] Voice 18: um is that something that's always been allowed is just trying to stop any sort of fires with

[0:45:40] Voice 18: these trees falling on top of the lines

[0:45:42] Voice 18: it's where we have like seven kilometers of roads

[0:45:47] Voice 18: or something like that yeah

[0:45:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the sand

[0:45:49] Voice 18: um

[0:45:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): hydro i i'll just briefly and then if you want to respond

[0:45:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): um um hydro is slated to come in and trim back trees um they will only trim back what is on the

[0:46:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): road allowance they won't touch anything that's on private land unless it's really obvious and over

[0:46:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): and they will come in and do some trimming it's never going to be 100

[0:46:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): but they do come in on a yearly basis and do training so that is one of the hazards of

[0:46:25] Voice 18: yeah

[0:46:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): this kind of situation yeah

[0:46:28] Voice 18: well we've almost even on the on our trips back and forth

[0:46:32] Voice 18: to gibson's it's even in town right it's even on the mainland yeah oh

[0:46:36] Voice 18: yeah but us being so isolated

[0:46:38] Voice 18: it's a little more worse

[0:46:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh yeah it is it is one of those really concerns so

[0:46:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): i want

[0:46:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): to recognize the lady in the middle here next well

[0:46:48] Voice 7: are you speaking to this yeah yeah you

[0:46:51] Voice 7: go ahead first because i was going to say that one of the things that's evolving is that our

[0:46:55] Voice 7: conditions are changing so rapidly so i would be one that called that in i can't remember the last

[0:47:00] Voice 7: time it rained in July. You know it has to be years and so what is not expected is that you

[0:47:07] Voice 7: know it started raining and being misty and the branches actually absorb it they're dry.

[0:47:13] Voice 7: So this is sort of what's evolving in 3-5 Smarter Everything is that we're just kind of recognizing

[0:47:18] Voice 7: what it is that we have to do and that's why setbacks and these sorts of things are taking

[0:47:23] Voice 7: into consideration because I found it peculiar when I was seeing it and they're

[0:47:27] Voice 7: small trees but

[0:47:28] Voice 7: it's just um i know this from engaging with my land is that we're seeing different things so

[0:47:36] Voice 7: actually i think this is a good setup that our recipe is coming up so when

[0:47:40] Voice 7: people start seeing some really restrictive bylaws like don't freak out

[0:47:44] Voice 7: at first and an

[0:47:45] Voice 7: explanation will be coming because all these things are being monitored and taken and

[0:47:49] Voice 7: can change but we have to change i don't have to change bc wildfire service is changing

[0:47:59] Voice 7: yeah

[0:47:59] Voice 3: it's a shock

[0:48:00] Voice 9: yeah i

[0:48:01] Voice 3: just was going to add to that as well because i know the resident in

[0:48:05] Voice 3: brigade bay who who shared with us that their fire smart neighborhood the the representative

[0:48:10] Voice 3: who came was from scrd and he assessed everyone's like properties to to talk about that and it's

[0:48:18] Voice 3: It's not really about cutting trees.

[0:48:20] Voice 3: It's just trimming certain trees down

[0:48:21] Voice 3: to prevent that sort of thing from happening.

[0:48:24] Voice 3: So we're kind of hoping Gambier

[0:48:26] Voice 3: can kind of get our self-less minutes

[0:48:28] Voice 3: so I can really get on board with that too.

[0:48:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah.

[0:48:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so the FireSmart coordinator,

[0:48:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): he's got about 30 homes on his list.

[0:48:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): Right.

[0:48:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's free assessment.

[0:48:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's not like there's no penalties or anything.

[0:48:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's just, here's what you can do.

[0:48:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that will help build the words but it is one of the aspects of it yeah

[0:48:52] Voice 5: just another comment

[0:48:53] Voice 5: talk about hydro dealing with the trees but there's also roads that should be brushing back

[0:48:59] Voice 9: and they

[0:49:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): didn't do it this time they won't yeah so just unfortunately i'm learning

[0:49:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Moti does mow back for sight lines only. It does not do it for fire.

[0:49:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it is up to us to try and maintain our frontage as much as possible.

[0:49:20] Voice 5: They're not doing it for sight lines, either.

[0:49:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's how they describe it. And it is a challenge all over the island.

[0:49:34] Voice 3: It's a different topic. But I also want to introduce myself. I'm Sophia Khan.

[0:49:38] Voice 3: And I'm also on the Gambier Island Community Association.

[0:49:41] Voice 3: I'm the vice president as well.

[0:49:44] Voice 3: So I just wanted to represent myself

[0:49:46] Voice 3: half of the association here.

[0:49:48] Voice 3: Thanks for having it here.

[0:49:51] Voice 3: My question is about sort of zoning and understanding.

[0:49:55] Voice 3: Is there, I understand the store

[0:49:58] Voice 3: is on commercial zone property.

[0:49:59] Voice 3: It's the one and only on the island.

[0:50:02] Voice 3: How does it, I've got two different questions.

[0:50:04] Voice 3: questions. Is it possible to create a commercial zone into SCRD Park, for instance, if the store

[0:50:12] Voice 3: was not sold, for instance? Is there a way for it to become part of SCRD?

[0:50:25] Voice 3: That's good. I'm

[0:50:28] Voice 3: just curious if it doesn't sell. And my other

[0:50:31] Voice 3: question is, and it doesn't

[0:50:32] Voice 3: to be answered today is if there's residential settlement residential can that get converted

[0:50:38] Voice 3: to commercial zoning through applications through island trust yeah okay

[0:50:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): that one's straightforward

[0:50:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): any planner response to whether or not a commercial zone can be switched to

[0:50:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): a park designation how that would yeah what

[0:50:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): would that be triggered that's that that was

[0:50:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): the thing i'm not sure would

[0:50:59] Planner McCargar (probable): just be an

[0:50:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): application from the owner of the the property right to switch

[0:51:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): it and then it would be a public process to go through a reason it wouldn't necessarily go to

[0:51:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): the regional district yeah that could be the options okay the

[0:51:18] Planner McCargar (probable): ltc could initiate zoning but

[0:51:22] Planner McCargar (probable): it we're the

[0:51:23] Voice 9: parties who are willing yeah well not necessarily while you're right

[0:51:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): about that too

[0:51:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah you

[0:51:30] Planner Zupanec: have the ability to down zone a property yeah we

[0:51:33] Planner Zupanec: have

[0:51:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): done that in fact

[0:51:35] Planner Zupanec: so i've just never

[0:51:37] Planner Zupanec: had that

[0:51:37] Voice 3: question before that's yeah that's really interesting i was just in my mind i'm also a real

[0:51:41] Voice 3: estate agent as well so my curiosity is just if that property doesn't get um reused for commercial

[0:51:49] Voice 3: I mean, they could just essentially just use it for residential, whoever the new buyer

[0:51:54] Voice 3: would be.

[0:51:55] Voice 3: But I'm just curious.

[0:51:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I think, correct me, if a commercial is the primary use, that would be when it's

[0:52:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): zoned residential, unless it's zoned specifically to have a residential status, it couldn't

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): necessarily be zoned residential.

[0:52:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I'd

[0:52:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to look at the zone.

[0:52:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:52:10] Planner Zupanec: I think that's the problem, is that it's an accessory, residential is an accessory on

[0:52:14] Planner Zupanec: that person.

[0:52:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, exactly.

[0:52:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there needs to be a business there in order for somebody to live there.

[0:52:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): right

[0:52:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah so it's yeah it's a it's

[0:52:23] Voice 3: an issue right now yeah yeah because we

[0:52:25] Voice 3: have the anna

[0:52:26] Voice 3: that's park that's scrd right yeah and that was prior i think was it it was a a hall before yeah

[0:52:34] Voice 9: yeah it

[0:52:35] Voice 3: was a community so that

[0:52:37] Voice 3: considered uh commercial zone no no

[0:52:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): community service yeah

[0:52:42] Voice 3: not all

[0:52:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): islands have a community service zone right yeah

[0:52:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[0:52:47] Voice 5: thank you just for clarification

[0:52:49] Voice 5: is that okay next um from what we're seeing the parks are actually rural residential

[0:52:57] Voice 5: they're not so specific

[0:53:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): community but that's a really good point

[0:53:02] Voice 5: so it would have to be triggered

[0:53:04] Voice 5: by the owner to rezone or can the community actually request a rezoning so

[0:53:10] Planner McCargar (probable): it could be

[0:53:11] Planner McCargar (probable): be initiated by the LTC if there was a variety of reasons that could also be potentially wrapped

[0:53:18] Planner McCargar (probable): into the OCP LUB project that's ongoing which would probably be one of the easier ways to do

[0:53:24] Planner McCargar (probable): that and

[0:53:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you might know that there's a risk right if the property is divested for some

[0:53:30] Voice 5: financial

[0:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): liquidity or whatever then it there's a risk of it

[0:53:34] Voice 5: and a real residential from what

[0:53:36] Voice 5: understanding because logging

[0:53:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): well any number of things yeah that's my ongoing question of

[0:53:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): what does that

[0:53:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): mean logging versus land clearing on the different zones here but i'm hoping that

[0:53:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): will be a

[0:53:50] Voice 9: really

[0:53:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): good question and i didn't realize we could initiate it i thought it had

[0:53:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): to be initiated by the owner

[0:53:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah and it has been done on other islands and in fact the other thing

[0:54:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's quite popular is to move the densities that are associated with that residential use

[0:54:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then use them as a

[0:54:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): community amenity somewhere else

[0:54:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): at a later point in time. They don't have to be

[0:54:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): community.

[0:54:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I would add, though,

[0:54:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): anything initiated

[0:54:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): at the LPC level that's going to affect private

[0:54:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): property rights and pre-existing rights

[0:54:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): they have under zoning,

[0:54:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's

[0:54:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): not exactly straightforward.

[0:54:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): We're going to have to

[0:54:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have a pretty compelling

[0:54:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): set of reasons for it that justifies doing that.

[0:54:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There's that whole

[0:54:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): opportunity to be heard by the property owners they're opposed to it

[0:54:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know

[0:54:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i think in the

[0:54:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): cases

[0:54:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's been done it's been already owned as a designated park or fair enough yeah but yeah it

[0:54:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): doesn't require

[0:54:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): well that's why i said willing participants yeah i think the point i'm trying

[0:54:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to make is that we have to be mindful of the pre-existing rates of the vehicle there for sure

[0:55:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I don't think this LPC is going to be running

[0:55:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): roughshod over anybody

[0:55:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): okay

[0:55:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): anything else

[0:55:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just

[0:55:14] Voice 19: wanted to

[0:55:15] Voice 19: share some good news

[0:55:17] Voice 19: the telephone has been

[0:55:19] Voice 19: saved

[0:55:19] Voice 19: we're going to remove it on June 24

[0:55:23] Voice 19: I had extensive

[0:55:25] Voice 19: negotiations with TELUS

[0:55:27] Voice 19: and they

[0:55:29] Voice 19: reversed their decision

[0:55:30] Voice 19: to remove the telephone

[0:55:33] Voice 19: Obviously, it has to stay for emergencies, so I just want to share with you that the

[0:55:40] Voice 19: telephone has been saved, it's staying, and then when the 5G system comes in about a couple

[0:55:46] Voice 19: of years' time, it will be sort of transferred into that system, but as I keep explaining

[0:55:52] Voice 19: and you tell us, that when the hydro goes out, the telephone will not work.

[0:56:00] Voice 19: work. So that battle will continue in a couple of years time. So it is possible to win corporate

[0:56:13] Voice 19: greed and corporate stupidity. So it is possible.

[0:56:18] Voice 19: Yeah,

[0:56:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's great. I think a lot of community members wrote in and I think it makes a difference

[0:56:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): to just demonstrate the single issue.

[0:56:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let us continue on with our agenda then.

[0:56:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you everybody for bringing these important matters to our attention.

[0:56:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local Trust Committee meeting minutes from April the 29th are here for adoption.

[0:56:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Are there any changes to those minutes?

[0:56:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Louise.

[0:56:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): you i

[0:56:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): actually had a bit of concern about how these minutes are written there's a lot of she's

[0:57:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): and he's and i kept getting my mother saying who's she the cat's mother um in my head every

[0:57:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): time it came up so i'm just wondering if there could be a clarification of the unified way that

[0:57:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): be right um minutes which are all sort of almost not quite third person but it certainly doesn't

[0:57:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): generally have the he's and she's it's just awkward reading but that was just a general

[0:57:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): recommendation then on page four oh i have a question about an issue but i'll get back to that

[0:57:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): um page 22 um there's a comment from myself and i know we've got two sets of minutes here but i

[0:57:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): haven't defined which one is which so so page 22 would be the may 28th okay so i'll just stick with

[0:57:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): the april ones i'm good with the april ones apart from that one comment about how

[0:57:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're how they're

[0:58:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): right i'm just reviewing that in the light of your uh inspiration there um so

[0:58:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah ideally the she's and he's are unnecessary where the individual has been named already and

[0:58:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's a list of bulleted items so perhaps lisa that could be considered and then taken

[0:58:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's more a style

[0:58:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a style yeah so understood um all right so then are you requiring any changes

[0:58:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): today no

[0:58:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): just a comment yeah so then i'll take it then that the local trust committee meeting

[0:58:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes of april 29th be adopted as presented so i'll ask the same question here for the meeting

[0:58:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes of may the 28th are there any changes to those minutes

[0:58:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): no

[0:58:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um

[0:58:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): on page 22 um i think it was

[0:58:58] Voice 9: 22. sorry about

[0:59:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): this folks my changes didn't i think it was 22. it's my comments page

[0:59:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): two of the

[0:59:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes themselves is page 22.

[0:59:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry they didn't save but i have um it's about my comments so it's

[0:59:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): under trustee stanford that's your d comments well

[0:59:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually this is the rd chair for executive

[0:59:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): area director's report on rape 3.3 oh what page is that that's page 22 page two of the

[0:59:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, all it is, is there was a comment, I made a comment on the second bullet.

[1:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): about transit buses have changed their schedules what was meant to say is bc transit and sunshine

[1:00:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): coast are determining an increase in transit service not that the buses have changed their

[1:00:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): schedules okay

[1:00:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): did you capture that uh lisa yes

[1:00:25] Voice 2: chair luck and i caught that thank you

[1:00:27] Voice 2: And then on page

[1:00:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): 23,

[1:00:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): under 7.2, there was a discussion in Zood.

[1:00:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): The first bullet says the map show that Gambier Island does not have an aquifer.

[1:00:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just to clarify, we could take that statement out and say Gambier Island identifies two aquifers, but there are other unmapped, potentially other unmapped aquifers on the island.

[1:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you want to remove that entire bullet and replace it with Newbury?

[1:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure.

[1:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think that'll get the point across did you capture that lisa yes

[1:01:30] Voice 2: chair lockham i caught

[1:01:31] Voice 2: that thank you thank

[1:01:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): you lisa yeah i'm always slow on that because it's obvious that you'll

[1:01:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): look at the recordings yeah that's right and

[1:01:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): those would be uh only two things i have okay

[1:01:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): so then and nothing else go no i don't know

[1:01:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): if this is making those changes

[1:01:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): great

[1:01:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you so then i'll take it then the local trust committee meeting

[1:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes of May the 28th be adopted as amended.

[1:01:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:01:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So resolution without meeting report, none here today.

[1:02:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Project planning commission minutes, none here today.

[1:02:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just in passing, I'll note for some technical reasons,

[1:02:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): more information required,

[1:02:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): the bylaw did not end up at executive committee last week to approve that.

[1:02:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): It shouldn't hold, I spoke with the planning staff about that,

[1:02:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): it shouldn't hold up anything in terms of advancing work but um ideally that will show

[1:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): up on executive committee's agenda at the next meeting okay um i'll move on then to business

[1:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): arising from the minutes we have the follow-up action list dated here um i'll just ask the staff

[1:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): if there's any uh changes since the publishing of this one otherwise we'll see trustees have

[1:02:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions trustees do you have questions 171 page 27 of yours i don't have any questions no i'm fine

[1:02:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so we'll just receive that uh for information then so thank you very much

[1:02:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): as noted earlier 8.1 gambler development permit has been delayed until december meeting so we'll

[1:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): look forward to seeing that here um and we've now got a break scheduled and we're actually

[1:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): almost perfectly on time which is excellent so um is that all right should we just go to our break

[1:03:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we'll pick up the gambler island official community plan when we're fresh

[1:03:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[1:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): so just if we could just take you know a good half hour and then we the cake has arrived

[1:03:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): i have i brought some snacks and stuff for sandwiches for lunch um and then i just like to

[1:03:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): say a few words before we cut the cake about living in the islands trust and what the trust

[1:03:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): has done with the um especially on gambier for the last 50 years so we'll do that at about

[1:03:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): 20

[1:04:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): after 12 okay okay yeah so and

[1:04:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): shall we recess the meeting and stop the recording

[1:04:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want to start recording when you say your words you just want to have it within the

[1:04:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think we can just have it casually yeah

[1:04:13] Voice 9: so

[1:04:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): lisa then we're going to break uh now and we will

[1:04:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): return at um lost one track of where i am here um we will return at 12 35 i think we're right

[1:04:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): on schedule so if you don't mind posting a little bit

[1:04:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): says that and that would be fantastic

[1:04:34] Voice 13: thank you everyone good

[1:04:37] Voice 10: morning thank you

[1:48:48] Voice 9: Julia's not

[1:48:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sold that the artifact is going to do the self-jump.

[1:48:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): The reason, her view of it is the reason.

[1:48:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Are you finding that the video is

[1:48:56] Voice 9: not relevant?

[1:48:58] Voice 4: Sure, how

[1:48:59] Voice 4: come I do not see the draft now?

[1:49:01] Voice 9: Julia, to provide her comments, can come back to me.

[1:49:04] Voice 15: I'll fill her with the work and make a look at it.

[1:49:06] Voice 15: And it's going to be much more important.

[1:49:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think by, you know, I didn't

[1:49:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): think that we were going to have a problem.

[1:49:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, we should have done that.

[1:49:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[1:49:14] Voice 4: think you just need to have that camera rejoin the meeting.

[1:49:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, say that again.

[1:49:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[1:49:24] Voice 4: lost the Gabriel at LT.

[1:49:27] Voice 4: I am here.

[1:49:28] Voice 4: Can you hear me?

[1:49:35] Voice 9: Chair

[1:49:36] Voice 4: Locum, I can hear you, but there's a lot

[1:49:38] Voice 4: of background talking.

[1:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): when i try to turn it on it says

[1:49:54] Voice 9: you just need to

[1:49:59] Voice 4: turn the video on

[1:50:02] Voice 9: the video is on

[1:50:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): on.

[1:50:05] Voice 9: I lost the Gabriel. I am here. Can you hear me? Get back to me. Um, no,

[1:50:31] Voice 9: up

[1:50:31] Voice 9: you know and

[1:51:08] Voice 10: it's just like

[1:51:13] Voice 9: Maybe go into the chat and just tell us about it.

[1:51:18] Voice 9: You make that particular joke.

[1:51:19] Voice 9: Well, yeah, when it goes inside in the chat,

[1:51:21] Voice 18: a lot of simplicity.

[1:51:23] Voice 18: Free a better way.

[1:51:24] Voice 18: Reducing the number.

[1:51:24] Voice 18: Talk to us.

[1:51:25] Voice 18: Audio is great.

[1:51:27] Voice 18: Eliminating the situation where a development program is necessary.

[1:51:33] Voice 12: Awesome.

[1:51:34] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:51:35] Voice 15: This is what I just described.

[1:51:37] Voice 15: That's not what I told you.

[1:51:38] Voice 15: It is what it is.

[1:51:40] Voice 15: So if you want to credit into that area,

[1:52:12] Voice 9: Great job.

[1:52:12] Voice 9: in the process all the time because I'm sure

[1:52:14] Voice 9: people don't understand.

[1:52:17] Voice 9: Lisa,

[1:52:17] Voice 9: I'm going to read you a book.

[1:52:20] Voice 9: It's just really...

[1:52:21] Voice 4: I'm going

[1:52:22] Voice 9: to read you a book.

[1:52:23] Voice 9: It's right up on the wall.

[1:56:03] Voice 9: Lisa, I think we're back.

[1:56:05] Voice 9: We're back.

[1:56:09] Voice 9: Okay, so

[1:56:10] Voice 9: Sonia, you can go now.

[1:56:14] Voice 9: Perfect.

[1:56:15] Voice 9: I don't have your audio.

[1:56:23] Voice 9: All

[1:56:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): right. Welcome back, everybody.

[1:56:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sorry for the delays in the technology. We have locked out for some reason.

[1:56:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): And just for the benefit of those that are joining us late, Peter Luckum,

[1:56:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Chair of the Gambier Local Trust Committee, elected on CEDAW,

[1:56:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'm joined here by Trustee Bernardo, D.K. Hilliard-Stamford,

[1:56:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and staff, Marlis McCarter and Sonia Zupanek

[1:56:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): and a bunch of wonderful people

[1:56:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): from the Gambit community in the audience.

[1:56:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we have conducted a number of items

[1:56:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): of business this morning,

[1:56:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we are now at page 74 of our agenda package,

[1:57:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local Trust Committee Projects.

[1:57:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this brings us to 9.1,

[1:57:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Gambit Island Official Committee Plan Review,

[1:57:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff report.

[1:57:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): report. This is a substantial bit of work with a huge investment by trustees, but also by staff

[1:57:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): in engaging with the Squamish Nation, seeking their input on this work as we move forward.

[1:57:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm really grateful to Sonia for this work, and it's a very thorough report in my mind,

[1:57:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): but let's have a conversation here. So I'm presuming everybody's read this, and now I'm

[1:57:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): to go to sun and ask her just to present the report there's a table as you know at the end of

[1:57:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): the report which uh donna needs some feedback for to take on the next steps and so i'm going to let

[1:57:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): lot sonya lead us through that line by line and um we'll come to a good place at the end i think

[1:57:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): sonya over to

[1:57:56] Planner Zupanec: you thank you for your work thank

[1:57:57] Planner Zupanec: you so much um so what i'll do is just do a brief

[1:58:02] Planner Zupanec: summary of background information prepared in the report for those of you following along then we'll

[1:58:07] Planner Zupanec: use tables one and tables two to do a sort of line by line check-in with the local trust committee to

[1:58:14] Planner Zupanec: see whether or not we can advance and begin implementation of some of the recommendations

[1:58:20] Planner Zupanec: that are listed in each table. So the whole purpose of this report is to provide you with

[1:58:27] Planner Zupanec: an overview of these land use planning options which are squarely within your

[1:58:30] Planner Zupanec: authority to implement. In

[1:58:33] Planner Zupanec: your trustee opening comments I heard that you are interested in

[1:58:36] Planner Zupanec: advocating with the province to look for more tools and opportunities to advance reconciliation

[1:58:42] Planner Zupanec: and I'm here to remind you that you have the ability within the tools that you already have

[1:58:47] Planner Zupanec: through the Local Government Act to implement memorable changes in advancing reconciliation.

[1:58:53] Planner Zupanec: The Squamish Nation has made these recommendations in light of that awareness so I'm hoping today I

[1:59:00] Planner Zupanec: I can walk away with a to-do list

[1:59:02] Planner Zupanec: and provide you with either draft bylaws,

[1:59:05] Planner Zupanec: draft policy language, draft regulation language

[1:59:07] Planner Zupanec: that you can look at so that you can decide

[1:59:10] Planner Zupanec: how quickly you're ready to advance to draft bylaw stage.

[1:59:15] Planner Zupanec: So all the recommendations listed

[1:59:17] Planner Zupanec: are from the Swamish Nation Engagement Summary Document

[1:59:20] Planner Zupanec: from 2024, as well as the Public Engagement

[1:59:22] Planner Zupanec: Summary Recommendations for the Gambier Island residents

[1:59:24] Planner Zupanec: from 2023 and staff analysis as well.

[1:59:28] Planner Zupanec: So just so you're up to speed on the resolutions that you passed at your last meeting, your

[1:59:35] Planner Zupanec: project charter, you endorse the changes to your public charter.

[1:59:39] Planner Zupanec: So it's been posted to the website, every bit of work in this report reflects directly

[1:59:44] Planner Zupanec: back to the project charter's objectives and instill items.

[1:59:49] Planner Zupanec: So there's nothing in this, in these two tables that isn't reflected or directly related to

[1:59:55] Planner Zupanec: what you agreed to do at the beginning of this project.

[1:59:58] Planner Zupanec: and reflected as it appears.

[2:00:00] Planner Zupanec: April 29th meeting you did pass or move to advance file 150 which was the advisory planning

[2:00:09] Planner Zupanec: commission changes which are time sensitive to some regard around permitting electronic

[2:00:14] Planner Zupanec: participation for appointed members so although that was delayed and it didn't get advanced by

[2:00:21] Planner Zupanec: the executive committee this month we're hopeful that that will be happening before the fall so

[2:00:27] Planner Zupanec: so that your APC can possibly consider a referral

[2:00:31] Planner Zupanec: if you choose to do that today.

[2:00:33] Planner Zupanec: Would you help with that?

[2:00:34] Planner Zupanec: Yes.

[2:00:37] Planner Zupanec: So at the time of report writing,

[2:00:40] Planner Zupanec: there was also a report that you've now been made aware of

[2:00:43] Planner Zupanec: that went to the executive committee regarding the issue

[2:00:47] Planner Zupanec: of referrals for First Nations and coordination.

[2:00:49] Planner Zupanec: So although there wasn't a lot of direction coming out

[2:00:52] Planner Zupanec: of that meeting that reflects back to your request

[2:00:56] Planner Zupanec: for more information on implications

[2:00:58] Planner Zupanec: of advancing Swamish's recommendation

[2:01:00] Planner Zupanec: that all applications be forwarded to the nation

[2:01:04] Planner Zupanec: because not every applicant is uploading

[2:01:06] Planner Zupanec: or providing information through their portal,

[2:01:09] Planner Zupanec: the Swamish Connect portal.

[2:01:11] Planner Zupanec: So we had thought that the EC report

[2:01:13] Planner Zupanec: might have a bit more direction or clarity

[2:01:15] Planner Zupanec: that these are the things that will be implemented

[2:01:17] Planner Zupanec: as by requested each nation has their own process.

[2:01:21] Planner Zupanec: So we'll keep you posted on next steps.

[2:01:24] Planner Zupanec: It seems that there is an opportunity for the northern office specifically to ensure that

[2:01:30] Planner Zupanec: how sound applications are being forwarded to the nation for information purposes. That's a

[2:01:34] Planner Zupanec: relatively straightforward administrative piece. However, in terms of formal referrals for all

[2:01:40] Planner Zupanec: applications and whether or not there's any deferred timeline for the LTC to consider

[2:01:46] Planner Zupanec: specific comments from the nation, that's the piece that we still need to

[2:01:50] Planner Zupanec: to flesh out and provide you with some more clarity on.

[2:01:53] Planner Zupanec: So I hope that that can be forthcoming this season.

[2:01:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maybe I'll just chime in on that

[2:01:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): because we received that report

[2:02:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's available in a public agenda

[2:02:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): from the executive committee agenda.

[2:02:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Certainly there is consideration

[2:02:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): of expanding our referrals up to 90 days

[2:02:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that seems like a reasonable process.

[2:02:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this executive committee

[2:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): provided some feedback um to staff on this uh early sort of draft of the ideas uh that would

[2:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): be advanced and ultimately it'll end up with council um but there wasn't anything really

[2:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): definitive that came out of that conversation except to say that it's well thought out um about

[2:02:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): the implications and the process that we would be engaging in and um we'll look forward to for

[2:02:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): the development but i think really today the work here is about the ocp amendments particularly in

[2:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): how you want to proceed knowing that there's a referral process in the background that's good

[2:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): and

[2:02:56] Planner Zupanec: the just to clarify too the nation wasn't uh necessarily speaking to things that required

[2:03:05] Planner Zupanec: referrals like bylaw maintenance it was just to relate all applications for their information

[2:03:11] Planner Zupanec: that they are aware of what those changes to the landscape

[2:03:14] Planner Zupanec: are underway or being contemplated

[2:03:17] Planner Zupanec: by local governments within the territory.

[2:03:18] Planner Zupanec: So I think that typically we might not even refer

[2:03:22] Planner Zupanec: to the Nation 4 comment for information.

[2:03:25] Planner Zupanec: They're seeking that data set to be within their,

[2:03:30] Planner Zupanec: available to them on an annual basis.

[2:03:34] Planner Zupanec: So the Local Trust Committee also passed a resolution

[2:03:37] Planner Zupanec: Michigan requesting a meeting with Swamish Nation Council in the fall or winter of 2024 to discuss

[2:03:45] Planner Zupanec: the status of this project and so we have deferred until this meeting to get a better sense of what

[2:03:52] Planner Zupanec: is it that is going to be implemented from their list of recommendations prior to reaching back out

[2:03:58] Planner Zupanec: to set up a meeting date so that when you're able to provide a status update on what's been

[2:04:03] Planner Zupanec: decided to be implemented that um they are able to get that clarity either from staff to staff or

[2:04:10] Planner Zupanec: elected officials to elected officials and so just to clarify table one that we'll be looking at is

[2:04:16] Planner Zupanec: specifically the high priority recommendations from squamish nation table two is specific

[2:04:22] Planner Zupanec: recommendations from their public engagement summary so they're separated out um for the

[2:04:28] Planner Zupanec: purposes of just being clear on which ones are coming from the nation and which ones came from

[2:04:33] Planner Zupanec: the residents of Gambier Island. And the recommendations, there's three general

[2:04:42] Planner Zupanec: recommendations in the staff report that I'd like us to revisit once we've sort of worked through

[2:04:46] Planner Zupanec: both tables and that is clarity on which of the options you would wish to proceed with or wish

[2:04:54] Planner Zupanec: information for or going to be possibly deferring so that I can keep track there's a column in this

[2:05:01] Planner Zupanec: rule and I'll share my screen in a second for folks that are trying to follow along with this

[2:05:05] Planner Zupanec: conversation the table column that's LTC direction is the one that I'm sort of filling out as we go

[2:05:13] Planner Zupanec: in this meeting today and that's to indicate whether or not you're you do require more

[2:05:17] Planner Zupanec: information or you're seeking to have staff bring back those drafts draft language for further

[2:05:26] Planner Zupanec: consideration or if you're actually taking that off the project work plan because there are only

[2:05:32] Planner Zupanec: eight months left in this fiscal and so in the next eight months I would anticipate that what

[2:05:37] Planner Zupanec: we can do as your project manager and as the team that that I have access to support me on the

[2:05:43] Planner Zupanec: regional planning team is that we could prepare draft bylaws in that time period for the community

[2:05:49] Planner Zupanec: for the nations for um general review prior to the readings and then use the next fiscal

[2:05:57] Planner Zupanec: as part of a business case request for legal review process to complete the project into

[2:06:05] Planner Zupanec: towards adoption so eight months might sound like a lot but it's not and so depending on how much

[2:06:13] Planner Zupanec: today you are willing to move forward with. Yeah it could be quite a bit of work to do and so we

[2:06:19] Planner Zupanec: want to make sure we get some clear direction today. So we'll be chatting about the business

[2:06:25] Planner Zupanec: case after we go through the tables I think is the best way to do it that way you understand

[2:06:31] Planner Zupanec: whether or not you even need a business case depending on what it is that you're advancing.

[2:06:35] Planner Zupanec: it. Just share my screen. Let's start with table one. Are there any questions about how to read

[2:06:50] Planner Zupanec: the table or interpret this before we begin? I know there's a lot of information.

[2:06:57] Voice 9: I'm pretty

[2:06:58] Voice 9: are you sure i get it okay you're clear joey you're good i'm fine thanks all right

[2:07:15] Voice 9: you got it

[2:07:17] Voice 9: okay so we're

[2:07:26] Planner Zupanec: starting on page 78 in the agenda package that are following along

[2:07:30] Planner Zupanec: uh the flemish nation recommendations are numbered a1 b1 c1 d1 these are all from the

[2:07:38] Planner Zupanec: the package that you received at your last meeting.

[2:07:41] Planner Zupanec: So we've categorized these,

[2:07:43] Planner Zupanec: whether or not they require a change

[2:07:46] Planner Zupanec: to your official community plan and land use by-law,

[2:07:48] Planner Zupanec: whether they're advocacy issues,

[2:07:50] Planner Zupanec: whether they may require a development

[2:07:53] Planner Zupanec: of global information by-law.

[2:07:54] Planner Zupanec: So that's what the second column of information

[2:07:56] Planner Zupanec: identifies for you.

[2:07:58] Planner Zupanec: Some general notes around implementation,

[2:08:02] Planner Zupanec: sort of the steps that would be required

[2:08:03] Planner Zupanec: to implement that particular option and considerations.

[2:08:08] Planner Zupanec: that you need to make and the staff recommendation and then the implications of how it aligns with

[2:08:15] Planner Zupanec: the broader federation-wide perspective towards reconciliation, your project charter being the

[2:08:21] Planner Zupanec: basic marching orders for me and to make sure that these recommendations align with the project

[2:08:27] Planner Zupanec: charter and in this case they all do and any other relevant implications that you'd like to consider

[2:08:34] Planner Zupanec: and then I'll be happy to record your direction for each of these moving forward.

[2:08:42] Planner Zupanec: So we'll start with A1, which, if that's okay, we'll just do line by line,

[2:08:47] Planner Zupanec: which is updating your official community plan with the correct Spanish language references

[2:08:53] Planner Zupanec: throughout the document, which currently there are none.

[2:08:57] Planner Zupanec: And that would be just simple replacement and working through the entire document

[2:09:03] Planner Zupanec: in to make sure that that's the case. We would do this with Squamish Nation through their language

[2:09:08] Planner Zupanec: and translation request form that they have with the formal process we show them. The original text

[2:09:15] Planner Zupanec: and the proposed requests and they confirm the correct language spelling fonts and then we can

[2:09:22] Planner Zupanec: bring that back to you in that draft format for review for example.

[2:09:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): So do you want us to respond

[2:09:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): to each one because i was looking at yeah under

[2:09:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): four a1 to

[2:09:33] Planner Zupanec: a4 all have similar implementation

[2:09:36] Planner Zupanec: options and implications that's why they're they're not together um a2 is amending both

[2:09:44] Planner Zupanec: the documents the official community plan and your land use bylaw with appropriate land

[2:09:47] Planner Zupanec: acknowledgement as well which currently does not exist um in each file uh they're also requesting

[2:09:53] Planner Zupanec: that this be updated in all the house sounds so that would be passage foyer and the associated

[2:09:59] Planner Zupanec: islands as well but for the purposes of this project it's just the gambier island documents

[2:10:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that was the only comment i had one to four is that we would not include that particular

[2:10:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): action for the other ocps at this time this is just for yeah

[2:10:17] Planner Zupanec: just for gambier yeah so if you

[2:10:19] Planner Zupanec: would like to have a separate resolution to direct staff which wouldn't be me but to add that to your

[2:10:24] Planner Zupanec: project list or the other documents or bylaws and this would be a good time at some point to capture

[2:10:30] Planner Zupanec: that so it doesn't get lost okay and that you're asking the swamish again in the future whatever

[2:10:35] Planner Zupanec: they'd like to see when they've already indicated uh an expectation that you would update those

[2:10:40] Planner Zupanec: file is when it's appropriate yeah so

[2:10:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's the only comment i had about those ones for one

[2:10:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah

[2:10:53] Planner Zupanec: so a1 to a4 i'll have a similar process regarding the formal translation request to

[2:10:59] Planner Zupanec: squamish nation so

[2:11:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a process question yeah um are you satisfied with hearing response

[2:11:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): responses from the trustees regarding specific direction and what we're hearing in right now

[2:11:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): as an example is the one through four um we're okay with the recommendations being implemented

[2:11:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): can we at the end of this conversation if you're keeping track of those thoughts say make a motion

[2:11:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): that says implement the changes as discussed so

[2:11:30] Planner Zupanec: the recommendation number one on the first page

[2:11:33] Planner Zupanec: of the staff report is drafted in a way to sort of capture that okay i

[2:11:36] Planner Zupanec: can help with that piece

[2:11:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): So on one, two, four, Joe.

[2:11:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, I've got some questions here.

[2:11:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): A1 updating the OCP with First Nations reference, I guess, the Squamish language references.

[2:11:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Would that update be like what we see in A1?

[2:12:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It would have the Squamish language and the English version of it side by side throughout the whole thing?

[2:12:07] Planner Zupanec: Correct. Is that the intention?

[2:12:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Right.

[2:12:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): With respect to A2, it says appropriate land acknowledgment.

[2:12:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What does appropriate mean?

[2:12:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Do we have sample language that you have in mind or, I'll be upfront here, I mean, I,

[2:12:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the word appropriate can cover a lot of things, you know, and it is in the eye of the beholder.

[2:12:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So I certainly don't object to having land acknowledgment, I just want to know what it

[2:12:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): says.

[2:12:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So how do we deal with that?

[2:12:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What do we mean by appropriate?

[2:12:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So

[2:12:39] Planner Zupanec: this is the first step, is that you recognize that that's a deficiency in your current bylaws

[2:12:45] Planner Zupanec: and that that needs to be corrected and fixed.

[2:12:47] Planner Zupanec: We would prepare the draft language.

[2:12:49] Planner Zupanec: We would, as staff, work with the nation to get that sample language.

[2:12:53] Planner Zupanec: Of course, we do already have sample language that's utilized.

[2:12:57] Planner Zupanec: However, we want to make sure that as of 2024, this is actually still relevant and valid

[2:13:04] Planner Zupanec: and supportive of your actions moving forward and then provide that to the local trust committee

[2:13:10] Planner Zupanec: with full confidence that this language that we're presenting to you would be supported if you were

[2:13:16] Planner Zupanec: to adopt the bylaws with this in it as opposed to working with you to draft the language then go

[2:13:22] Planner Zupanec: back realize actually this isn't necessarily what they were hoping to see so the

[2:13:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): language itself is

[2:13:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): work in progress and we're going to see it in due course.

[2:13:33] Planner Zupanec: Anything in this table that's being

[2:13:36] Planner Zupanec: recommended would be drafted for your consideration of next steps. The point is I don't want to spend

[2:13:42] Planner Zupanec: the time drafting any of these pieces because some of them are substantial amounts of work.

[2:13:46] Planner Zupanec: If there's no appetite at the political level to actually implement it. It's understood,

[2:13:51] Planner Zupanec: fair enough.

[2:13:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): A4, amend the OCP with specific commitments to reconciliation as the overarching framework.

[2:14:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Again, I may well get an answer similar to the one I just got here,

[2:14:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but again, my inquiry is both specifics.

[2:14:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What does it mean to say overarching framework?

[2:14:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And what are those specific commitments?

[2:14:24] Planner Zupanec: So the idea is that right now in your official community plan,

[2:14:28] Planner Zupanec: there is nothing.

[2:14:30] Planner Zupanec: And so as opposed to it being a standalone separate section,

[2:14:33] Planner Zupanec: perhaps there's an opportunity for the planners to provide that analysis

[2:14:37] Planner Zupanec: of how we can infuse the entire policy directives

[2:14:41] Planner Zupanec: to better reflect your actions

[2:14:43] Planner Zupanec: and commitment towards reconciliation.

[2:14:45] Planner Zupanec: So that would likely look like policy directives

[2:14:48] Planner Zupanec: throughout each section of the official community plan.

[2:14:52] Planner Zupanec: As you see the topics of comments coming back

[2:14:55] Planner Zupanec: from the nation in terms of areas for improvement,

[2:14:58] Planner Zupanec: don't just fit neat and tidy into one specific

[2:15:01] Planner Zupanec: like climate action, for example.

[2:15:03] Planner Zupanec: So we're using that lens as the reminders to see opportunities for any policy changes and wording updates to be considered by the local trust committee where we feel that that would address their concern, that it not just be an introductory statement or background text.

[2:15:23] Planner Zupanec: Where's the policy language that actually drives you towards making land use planning decisions that are better aligned with their concerns and issues.

[2:15:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So what we're talking about here is amending the OCP with concrete commitments with respect

[2:15:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to policy implementation.

[2:15:40] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, that's the idea.

[2:15:41] Planner Zupanec: It isn't just a standalone one piece or one objective stated at the beginning and then

[2:15:46] Planner Zupanec: the rest of the document.

[2:15:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Yeah, I understand that.

[2:15:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I understand that part.

[2:15:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What's the overarching framework?

[2:15:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What does that mean?

[2:15:52] Planner Zupanec: Your policy framework, the official community plan reference as your overarching framework

[2:15:57] Planner Zupanec: for all regulations.

[2:16:00] Planner Zupanec: that's that's what we're referring to all

[2:16:06] Voice 9: right thank you okay

[2:16:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): so it sounds like we have consensus

[2:16:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): on one two four that'd be correct yeah i don't have any objections to it no so let's keep going

[2:16:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): five leave it to you so

[2:16:26] Planner Zupanec: you've got guard by well for a5

[2:16:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i do want to see

[2:16:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): like this part i i can see has more of a connection to the settler community that's

[2:16:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): here as well so i am supportive of it but i do want to make sure that it is not so negative

[2:16:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): that it causes difficulty with the community so this would be i'm not going to say in a

[2:17:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): negotiation but this is a more delicate statement that I want it to be supportive of where we're at

[2:17:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): now where we can go recognizing that there is a history but without it denigrating to the point

[2:17:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): where our OCP becomes difficult for other people to read and maybe loses its usefulness

[2:17:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): as a community vision so i'm that's just sort of my wording for how this could be balanced out so

[2:17:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm interested to see what this will look like

[2:17:43] Planner Zupanec: so yeah so we're the nation as you can imagine

[2:17:46] Planner Zupanec: without any explicit reference to the nation at all in the correct document it is difficult for

[2:17:51] Planner Zupanec: for them to read

[2:17:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): yes so definitely we have this in here but this is the one

[2:17:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): people. So

[2:17:58] Planner Zupanec: the idea is not to be just as offensive. Yeah, so right now it already is. So the idea is

[2:18:05] Planner Zupanec: that it actually will make it better for everybody because right now it is offensive. Yeah.

[2:18:10] Planner Zupanec: So that's

[2:18:12] Planner Zupanec: a five. So if there's general consensus to provide you with a draft language, of course it is

[2:18:18] Planner Zupanec: delicate and we acknowledge that this is where the work is. We don't want to do the work to draft

[2:18:23] Planner Zupanec: access if there isn't a willingness for the local trust committee to see that embedded in your

[2:18:28] Planner Zupanec: policy document i'd

[2:18:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): be more comfortable with this one if i had a better sense of what the actual

[2:18:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): direction is about what those amendments might look like even before you engage in the business

[2:18:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of further engagement with squamish and do the development of drafting and i appreciate that

[2:18:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we'll see it in due course but you know just following the very point you made up before

[2:18:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or you don't wanna waste your time

[2:18:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in terms of doing all that work, get it balanced.

[2:18:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So what is, when it says here,

[2:18:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): amend the OCP to explicitly recognize the impacts,

[2:19:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but I can give us some clues here

[2:19:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about what that type of recognition

[2:19:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in the document would look like.

[2:19:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And, you know, basically some hints

[2:19:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as to what it's gonna say and what in terms,

[2:19:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I mean the official community plan is the purpose is to create the overarching vision for planning

[2:19:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and development of bylaws and land use bylaw and sort of thing. What is the purpose of amending

[2:19:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the OCP to acknowledge these impacts? What's the purpose for planning purposes?

[2:19:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Do you understand the question?

[2:19:48] Planner Zupanec: So your current bylaw does have significant tests pertaining to

[2:19:53] Planner Zupanec: do the settler history of Gambier Island and so that's where the deficiency is is that it doesn't

[2:19:58] Planner Zupanec: capture accurately the richer history of this geography so most official community plans have

[2:20:07] Planner Zupanec: non-policy language introductory background statements paragraphs and paragraphs that the

[2:20:14] Planner Zupanec: community really wishes to see infused because it's their official community plan and they want

[2:20:18] Planner Zupanec: that context embedded at the beginning of the document prior to the policies so we're just

[2:20:25] Planner Zupanec: highlighting for you that if the draft the new official community plan draft when it's presented

[2:20:31] Planner Zupanec: to you be infused with a balanced context in that background information that that would be

[2:20:40] Planner Zupanec: not just a model for the trust it would work towards sort of helping other local trust areas

[2:20:46] Planner Zupanec: is recognized that they they all have similar problems with their background statements possibly

[2:20:51] Planner Zupanec: not being drafted in cooperation with the nations whose territory we fall within they're drafted by

[2:20:59] Planner Zupanec: the community or the advisory planning commissions or the planners themselves and they might be very

[2:21:06] Planner Zupanec: single-lensed in that way so that's

[2:21:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fair enough but these background statements

[2:21:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): To what extent does the content of that, is it material to the actual subsequent development

[2:21:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of bylaws?

[2:21:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'll try to be as clear as possible.

[2:21:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Is it just simply introductory language that makes people feel good when they read the

[2:21:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): introductory stuff, but has no material significance to subsequent decisions in the local trust

[2:21:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): committee when it's considering an approving bylaws?

[2:21:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is it is in i mean does it really have any meaning for the content of subsequent bylaws that follow

[2:21:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the ocp or is it simply just introductory language some

[2:21:52] Planner Zupanec: of it is context it's just information

[2:21:54] Planner Zupanec: so people who are new to gambier island may look at the official community plan as a really quick

[2:21:59] Planner Zupanec: one-stop shop for a bit of history context geography and currently your bylaw already

[2:22:06] Planner Zupanec: has that it already embeds a portion of that in it but

[2:22:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's deficient in the

[2:22:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Yeah, I

[2:22:12] Planner Zupanec: don't think that your policy directives are relying on that background clarity information or geology even to derive policies and land use regulations necessarily.

[2:22:26] Planner Zupanec: It does possibly ground you as decision makers into the importance of why you are now drafting policies and regulations.

[2:22:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): That's helpful. Thank you.

[2:22:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm not objecting to this, just we're seeking clarification. Thank you.

[2:22:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Okay, thanks.

[2:22:47] Planner Zupanec: Yes, thank you.

[2:22:51] Planner Zupanec: Okay, so ASICS relates to helping coordinate, this is an advocacy piece,

[2:23:00] Planner Zupanec: this isn't related to policy directive necessarily because it's specific to helping coordinate

[2:23:04] Planner Zupanec: make funding for Squamish nation language signage where you know they deem it most appropriate or

[2:23:12] Planner Zupanec: highest priority on the island on trails or areas that they have already identified or they're very

[2:23:20] Planner Zupanec: interested in some trips okay that's what I was going to ask is are there priorities of public

[2:23:25] Planner Zupanec: access and that's the piece that we heard from staff to staff is that there is a lot of recreational

[2:23:32] Planner Zupanec: use of the lens and within their territory they feel that there should be better signage

[2:23:41] Planner Zupanec: opportunities so that people are aware of some of these sensitive sensitivity of these areas

[2:23:46] Planner Zupanec: right from the perspective of the nation not just uh i don't want to use the word just but

[2:23:52] Planner Zupanec: from the lens of recreational users it can be very different than when it's a spiritually

[2:23:59] Planner Zupanec: placing them in space or other so we've identified that some of the implementation options here are

[2:24:06] Planner Zupanec: that there are um potential you know the violence stress nature conservancy violence stress

[2:24:14] Planner Zupanec: conservancy properties could be a really great fit just to begin that process um it could be

[2:24:21] Planner Zupanec: an scrd protocol meeting agenda item that you discuss opportunities with the scrd to also

[2:24:27] Planner Zupanec: find funding opportunities where there's alignment and possibly apply for

[2:24:34] Planner Zupanec: community to community funding specifically to address this so these

[2:24:38] Planner Zupanec: are some of the pieces that we could look into and it's not policy directed

[2:24:45] Planner Zupanec: but it is potential networking and advocacy so

[2:24:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): short of saying yes to this

[2:24:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes, we need to, how much detail do you want on the operation of this?

[2:25:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because you've provided several different options.

[2:25:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): We could take them all at different times.

[2:25:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's yes, but it doesn't have an impact on policy language and first draft.

[2:25:17] Planner Zupanec: So you meet with the SCRD annually.

[2:25:18] Planner Zupanec: Yep. So just by notion of LTC indicating this is of interest to you, we then flag it for

[2:25:25] Planner Zupanec: agenda item for your next FDRD meeting. You will likely have the ability as a local trust

[2:25:32] Planner Zupanec: committee to send comments to the Islands Trust Conservancy Board. I'm not actually

[2:25:38] Planner Zupanec: quite clear on what that flow of communication is from a local trust committee to the Conservancy

[2:25:44] Planner Zupanec: board and

[2:25:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm just wondering where the conservancy board is at and their ability

[2:25:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): to make these changes at this time given they are

[2:25:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): they're at a sort of status yeah they're

[2:25:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): very interested

[2:25:57] Planner Zupanec: in co-signage and so if there was a resolution from the local trust committee

[2:26:03] Planner Zupanec: i don't know that you can make a resolution to the board i'm sorry i don't understand that flow

[2:26:09] Planner Zupanec: yet so obviously

[2:26:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): we can make a recommendation a

[2:26:13] Planner Zupanec: recommendation to the board to explore

[2:26:16] Planner Zupanec: signage for those three properties for example our band for the long bay wetland area

[2:26:22] Planner Zupanec: and to work with spanish nation because they have a specific process for this

[2:26:27] Planner Zupanec: and then you basically just delegated yeah i'm just gonna take this one to your next meeting

[2:26:35] Planner Zupanec: in 2025 with the SCRD and the other to the board to take up that piece there is only so much you

[2:26:41] Planner Zupanec: can do with this piece once you see funding deadlines come up if you see them and you decide

[2:26:46] Planner Zupanec: that you do want to take advantage this would necessarily be the only

[2:26:50] Planner Zupanec: topic for that but it could be that not be added to it okay

[2:26:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): so I put that as an action yeah later

[2:26:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): your time so

[2:27:02] Voice 9: anything on that one no

[2:27:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): comments just um i'm thinking out loud more than anything

[2:27:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah um and it might be helpful to others but um this is an advocacy coordination piece

[2:27:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is in the ocp because the ocp is a vision of the community it's aspirational in many places

[2:27:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and guidance in other places for land use decisions.

[2:27:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is an advocacy piece.

[2:27:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so certainly it would be associated

[2:27:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): with historical places and mapping

[2:27:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that sort of thing in order to further support

[2:27:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): the previous recognitions of settlement patterns

[2:27:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that this particular neighborhood settled on this area

[2:27:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): was the village side of XYZ

[2:27:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and maybe there's some symbolic events that happened there

[2:27:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the naming would be consistent with that history.

[2:28:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): But, and that's a sort of an introduction

[2:28:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): to my reading question here,

[2:28:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): because there needs to be, once the OCP,

[2:28:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): this is sort of post OCP done,

[2:28:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): we can say in our OCP, it says this,

[2:28:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): and therefore SCRD, we want you to support doing this,

[2:28:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that's on board, we want you to do this, et cetera.

[2:28:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): but there needs to be sort of an implementation plan at the ocp once we've crafted this ocp that

[2:28:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): says okay we've got a new ocp we've said these things and you should turn your mind to this over

[2:28:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): time right is that yeah

[2:28:34] Planner Zupanec: so from the planning perspective your implementation is your your

[2:28:37] Planner Zupanec: land use bylaw yeah

[2:28:39] Voice 11: yeah and

[2:28:40] Planner Zupanec: your advocacy policies i will draft those for you and help

[2:28:45] Planner Zupanec: you with those and insert them into your drafts i'm more interested in how your land use bylaw

[2:28:51] Planner Zupanec: implements your official community plan because that you have jurisdiction yeah your advocacy

[2:28:56] Planner Zupanec: policies are you have many in your ocp right now and lots almost more advocacy policies than actual

[2:29:04] Planner Zupanec: policies to direct your land use file so it's a it's a great gesture but it shows that you're

[2:29:11] Planner Zupanec: You're actually deferring jurisdiction of land use planning to others, which is not the point of your official community plan.

[2:29:18] Planner Zupanec: So I would encourage you to limit your advocacy policies to not signage to work with those nations.

[2:29:24] Planner Zupanec: This is an action item that goes on a meeting that the SCOE plan implemented.

[2:29:29] Planner Zupanec: It's not 10, 20 years out.

[2:29:32] Planner Zupanec: Advocacy in an OCP is long term because it's a big issue.

[2:29:37] Planner Zupanec: this is a to-do list and it's either you do it or you don't and if within this year you should be

[2:29:43] Planner Zupanec: able to get some clarity as to who can do this if it's not you who can do this and well so that

[2:29:48] Planner Zupanec: we're seen to affirm the nation's issues around signage is non-existent could there be an

[2:29:55] Planner Zupanec: opportunity where is the funding because they're struggling to find funding for these things

[2:30:00] Planner Zupanec: as well so

[2:30:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): and there's a follow-up so we agree to this what are you going to do to implement that

[2:30:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): i

[2:30:08] Planner Zupanec: would ask for an ltc resolution to add to your scn

[2:30:12] Planner Zupanec: the issue of signage related to this conversation and then i would ask

[2:30:19] Planner Zupanec: a resolution for a resolution to request the itc board

[2:30:26] Planner Zupanec: consider implementing for Gambier Island specifically signage which I know they already are I think

[2:30:33] Planner Zupanec: for yeah at extended to the other two properties as well appropriate okay

[2:30:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): and subsequently that's

[2:30:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): why it says not applicable

[2:30:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll just add

[2:30:48] Planner McCargar (probable): that there hasn't been a protocol meeting for 2024 but we have CRD yet so that

[2:30:52] Planner McCargar (probable): could be the last one was in april of 2023 right so i figured it would be next year yeah

[2:30:57] Planner Zupanec: unless you

[2:30:58] Planner Zupanec: can squeeze it in unless there's yeah okay awesome um so i guess i'm keeping track of these okay

[2:31:05] Voice 9: we

[2:31:06] Planner Zupanec: go but once we get to the resolutions and i'll just double check and remind you would you be

[2:31:12] Planner Zupanec: willing to yeah

[2:31:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah so you'll bring that back

[2:31:15] Planner Zupanec: yeah and

[2:31:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): and just uh sort of added context that

[2:31:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): all these other organizations are also moving in similar directions with similar kinds of

[2:31:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): instructions from squamish nations so it's all kind of tied in together and it's not just to us

[2:31:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it is an overall general

[2:31:34] Planner Zupanec: trend we imagine these dovetail nicely yes other initiatives i'm

[2:31:39] Planner Zupanec: just not fully aware of where they're at with these things but yeah there is lots of appetite

[2:31:43] Planner Zupanec: to do something.

[2:31:45] Planner Zupanec: I'd

[2:31:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): like to suggest that we do attempt to squeeze

[2:31:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it into the, since we haven't had the book

[2:31:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this year, something to

[2:31:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): more informed commentary

[2:31:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but it seems

[2:31:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to me that, I mean

[2:31:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): on its merits, this is kind of straightforward

[2:31:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it should be a no-brain

[2:32:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and

[2:32:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it seems to me that

[2:32:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): if we could get it

[2:32:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): underway sooner rather than later

[2:32:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): then we might as well.

[2:32:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Can

[2:32:11] Voice 9: we talk about it in October?

[2:32:13] Voice 9: okay

[2:32:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): so there's moment in time yes let's get it on the list all right just to suggest yeah

[2:32:22] Planner Zupanec: wait so the next uh several are related to this current section of the official community plan

[2:32:29] Planner Zupanec: related to climate change and adaptation so that was a big issue interest information

[2:32:35] Planner Zupanec: they liked what you already have

[2:32:37] Voice 11: so

[2:32:38] Planner Zupanec: the first one is just maintaining what you have and then

[2:32:42] Planner Zupanec: building on that. So that was really good news to hear that the current policies that you have

[2:32:48] Planner Zupanec: and regulations that fall out of that, they felt were really good for a small rural community.

[2:32:54] Planner Zupanec: There was no action applied for one, unless the local facility felt strongly that they were

[2:33:00] Planner Zupanec: actually planning to do it completely right, then I would be advising them of that. But I didn't get

[2:33:05] Planner Zupanec: that sense because it's not in your project charter, but that's what you're planning to do.

[2:33:09] Voice 9: um

[2:33:10] Planner Zupanec: they had requested that you amend the ocp with a guiding objective and policy for that section

[2:33:17] Planner Zupanec: um that better addressed the issues that they're of course are front and center to them which is

[2:33:25] Planner Zupanec: and securing the harvesting areas for the nation specifically because those aren't often considered

[2:33:31] Planner Zupanec: um the the forest landscape isn't considered part of the food landscape okay that's

[2:33:37] Planner McCargar (probable): what they were

[2:33:37] Planner Zupanec: talking about yeah and so for them forests equal food and and they would like to see that better

[2:33:43] Planner Zupanec: reflected more obviously in your that particular section of the ocp so we would be drafting either

[2:33:50] Planner Zupanec: new policy or suggesting recommended changes to your existing policy so that's included

[2:33:56] Planner Zupanec: as part of the scope of actually no this is not policy this is the objective the guiding objective

[2:34:03] Planner Zupanec: directive and then subsequent policies and so we would be doing that drafting and bringing it back

[2:34:11] Planner Zupanec: to you after further consultation with the nation on wording so that's

[2:34:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what i wasn't sure what they

[2:34:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): were talking about one of the challenges i have with this section and some of the other

[2:34:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is i'm struggling to understand how these high concept policy

[2:34:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): directives or commitments translate into practical reality in the sense that at the

[2:34:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): end of the day we're a land planning agency and i'm sympathetic for example the example

[2:34:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's in b2 i'm sympathetic to the idea that you know forests have been traditionally uh

[2:35:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): harvest areas for first nations and more than

[2:35:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that they have significance at a whole bunch

[2:35:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of different levels separate from economic issues how that's all fair enough but how does that

[2:35:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): translate into actual bylaws and how would it say we adopted something along those lines how would

[2:35:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): would it follow through into its effect on us as a local trust committee when we're now

[2:35:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): deliberating on say a change the land use bylaw or the adoption of another bylaw how do they connect

[2:35:42] Planner Zupanec: great question so the connection is your land use bylaw if you have a policy in your official

[2:35:47] Planner Zupanec: community plan i'm obligated as a professional planner to show you the link as to how it's

[2:35:52] Planner Zupanec: implemented or not in your land use bylaw so that's why we want to present both documents

[2:35:55] Planner Zupanec: to you in draft format to show you which policies are kind of sitting there as orphans doing not

[2:36:02] Planner Zupanec: much because either you've decided you're not quite ready to advance that implementation piece

[2:36:07] Planner Zupanec: or those tools aren't available to you yet and you're busy advocating to have access to those

[2:36:13] Planner Zupanec: tools so heritage conservation area development permit those are all the tangible tools that you

[2:36:18] Planner Zupanec: use to implement climate action adaptation policies for example um in a either very specific

[2:36:25] Planner Zupanec: way or in a general way you're leaning on these policies to say the reason we have this development

[2:36:32] Planner Zupanec: from an area that that focuses people's attention on before you develop these are the considerations

[2:36:39] Planner Zupanec: that we're looking at here's the guidelines that help us or if you have a heritage conservation

[2:36:43] Planner Zupanec: area same thing before you develop the reason you're under this extra level of scrutiny is

[2:36:48] Planner Zupanec: because we've identified that these are the issues, we have policy directives, and now we

[2:36:52] Planner Zupanec: have guidelines or regulations to help drive development into that desired future that you've

[2:36:59] Planner Zupanec: articulated in your OCP. So I would be providing you with that analysis of here's these policies

[2:37:05] Planner Zupanec: in your OCP. If we don't have a matching land use bylaw regulation or guideline and a DP or

[2:37:12] Planner Zupanec: something, I need to show you that before you adopt those bylaws so that you're crystal clear

[2:37:17] Planner Zupanec: on where the holes are, basically.

[2:37:20] Planner Zupanec: Well,

[2:37:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you've touched on something

[2:37:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that is a persistent question I've got,

[2:37:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is there's the policy direction

[2:37:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that we might be happy to support,

[2:37:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but then there's the question of the jurisdiction.

[2:37:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You mentioned about how we've got the tools to do it.

[2:37:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): We're talking about, for example, elsewhere here,

[2:37:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we're talking about net emissions

[2:37:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and also talking about changes

[2:37:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to basically building code that SCRD applies.

[2:37:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Where's our jurisdiction?

[2:37:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): any of that to apply any of that to our violence yeah

[2:37:53] Planner Zupanec: so that's where either it's an advocacy

[2:37:55] Planner Zupanec: policy so that's where i was talking about are we working towards working in partnership with

[2:38:01] Planner Zupanec: the sunshine coast regional district that does administer the bc building code on your behalf

[2:38:05] Planner Zupanec: for your community that's where advocacy comes into play okay and you've identified that you

[2:38:11] Planner Zupanec: might prioritize the ambier island or your local trust area as a potential pilot for the scrd if

[2:38:18] Planner Zupanec: it's appropriate or something but yeah we'll

[2:38:20] Planner Zupanec: catch those so for this particular one

[2:38:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is this particular one b2 i mean is this really are we looking at it to use your term is this

[2:38:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): basically an advocacy policy no

[2:38:35] Planner Zupanec: this would be a just inserting a new objective in this section

[2:38:39] Planner Zupanec: because right now the objectives don't mention included food security or harvest areas as being

[2:38:44] Planner Zupanec: part of the overall objective of addressing climate change and adaptation and possibly

[2:38:50] Planner Zupanec: adding a policy or amending your existing policies to include those considerations as

[2:38:56] Planner Zupanec: well.

[2:38:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): In practice, when we're talking about zoning changes, are we really talking about zoning

[2:39:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): land that is actually not in private lands?

[2:39:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Are we talking about crown tanners?

[2:39:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Is this what we're talking about here?

[2:39:14] Planner Zupanec: No.

[2:39:14] Planner Zupanec: No, this could be implemented, like I mentioned, either through development permit areas, greater setbacks, reducing lot coverage.

[2:39:25] Planner Zupanec: There's a number of ways that you can protect the forest from further encroachments.

[2:39:30] Planner Zupanec: And we'll look at all those.

[2:39:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, what I'm struggling with is the idea of doing what we can to improve food security and recognize these traditional food sources or areas that have food sources.

[2:39:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but also there's with the fact that you know when you talk about development permits you're talking

[2:39:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about people's private property i'm having trouble understanding how the harvest bit

[2:39:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fits into the private property bit do you have any clues about that let me share

[2:39:59] Planner Zupanec: access to private property for harvesting would be with in cooperation with owners obviously the

[2:40:05] Planner Zupanec: nations have no interest in in harvesting on lands that they're not welcome on yeah

[2:40:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is why i'm

[2:40:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): struggling with if it doesn't yeah it's

[2:40:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): a real challenge for me to try to imagine what a bylaw

[2:40:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): would look like that would take this into consideration that's not good okay but the

[2:40:22] Planner Zupanec: idea

[2:40:23] Planner Zupanec: is that if we're not going to help protect those forest ecosystems whether regardless of the

[2:40:29] Planner Zupanec: the forest ecosystem protection is key because then there's potential to negotiate access or

[2:40:38] Planner Zupanec: harvesting and things like that but if we don't have that to begin with if the forest ecosystem

[2:40:42] Planner Zupanec: isn't protected well then the next step is mute point so the idea is focus on protection of these

[2:40:49] Planner Zupanec: not just for climate adaptation obviously but protect the forest ecosystems for a number of

[2:40:55] Planner Zupanec: reasons and benefits which would also address the nation's concern whether or not they get access to

[2:41:01] Planner Zupanec: them or not they have a vested interest in ensuring that those areas and those values that they have

[2:41:07] Planner Zupanec: in those areas are protected and acknowledged, exposed.

[2:41:11] Planner Zupanec: But

[2:41:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in that scenario, you then have the corresponding,

[2:41:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in a scenario like that, the private property owners,

[2:41:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's gonna be a legitimate question for their part

[2:41:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as to why are, say if you had to develop a permanent option,

[2:41:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): why are their

[2:41:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): ability to make use of their land

[2:41:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as they see fit is why would it,

[2:41:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): why should it be restricted for the harvesting purposes

[2:41:35] Planner Zupanec: when

[2:41:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's simply the harvesting business

[2:41:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this is actually a voluntary arrangement and

[2:41:39] Planner Zupanec: that might not be the explicit language that you would

[2:41:41] Planner Zupanec: be using for a development permit for example it would possibly be one of multiple objectives that

[2:41:47] Planner Zupanec: you're trying to address fair enough sorry

[2:41:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm taking that but i'm sorry

[2:41:50] Planner Zupanec: yeah so one of the

[2:41:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): questions i have arising from this is somewhere in here it says um i can't remember where this

[2:42:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): is not applicable to federal or provincially held lands so given that Gambian is mostly

[2:42:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): provincially held um I want to ensure that that these policies and resulting bylaws do have some

[2:42:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): impact somewhere on the central wilderness recreation area which is our biggest sub

[2:42:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah

[2:42:28] Planner Zupanec: the goal for your OCP is to express that intent but again going back to what you do have

[2:42:34] Planner Zupanec: jurisdiction and authority over so it is it's appropriate for your OCP to express that intent

[2:42:40] Planner Zupanec: the desire of the community that echoes the desire of the nations to ensure that those large

[2:42:45] Planner Zupanec: contiguous tracts of land that are currently held by the federal or federal government

[2:42:50] Planner Zupanec: are carefully managed into the future however we don't currently have authority over those areas so

[2:42:56] Voice 5: So

[2:42:56] Planner Zupanec: we can't extend your policy directives in an area that's ultra-virus.

[2:43:02] Planner Zupanec: So I can't draft that for you.

[2:43:04] Planner Zupanec: But I can definitely ensure that the drafting of any policies is clear that the intent of the community is inclusive.

[2:43:12] Planner Zupanec: And that way, when the nation sees those drafts as formal referrals, they also see their own issues echoed in those policies.

[2:43:23] Planner Zupanec: So B2 was okay?

[2:43:28] Planner Zupanec: Okay, so B3 is related to your official community plan and that is to better align with this

[2:43:37] Planner Zupanec: relatively new net zero emission targets that's being set by multiple local governments in

[2:43:43] Planner Zupanec: this region of the coast by 2050.

[2:43:47] Planner Zupanec: So Gibson, Sechelt, VSCRD, so this would be not necessarily just in the climate section

[2:43:54] Planner Zupanec: of your official community plan, but we'd look for opportunities to perhaps see where else this

[2:44:00] Planner Zupanec: could be more explicit. And we haven't done that analysis yet, but maybe that really is the only

[2:44:06] Planner Zupanec: place. So right now your targets are a little outdated. We had to update them years ago. They

[2:44:12] Planner Zupanec: were set to 2030. The whole of the trust didn't do this exercise. Never really felt very accurate

[2:44:18] Planner Zupanec: or reflective of the needs, but now things have changed dramatically in that time. You're

[2:44:24] Planner Zupanec: surrounded by communities that have done a lot of research that you can sort of lean on and so we

[2:44:28] Planner Zupanec: would uh look to echo that so that you're not seen as sort of being that behind the times um yeah so

[2:44:36] Planner Zupanec: it would be an update to that specific target section

[2:44:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i i'm okay with the update but i don't

[2:44:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): think we need to spend as much time on this given that it isn't that's permitting that's it's more

[2:44:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): to do with the regional district which is also working on this language and we are expecting to

[2:44:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): dovetail with that yes right the

[2:45:01] Voice 9: worst reporting yeah

[2:45:02] Planner Zupanec: yeah so b4 is a bit of an interesting one

[2:45:07] Planner Zupanec: because it can relate to both your ocp and your landing spot um how to work with the funfinkels

[2:45:15] Planner Zupanec: regional district to really advance that there's a higher level of construction standards being

[2:45:21] Planner Zupanec: applied for any new developments. So it could be residential, which is the primary form of

[2:45:27] Planner Zupanec: development on Gambier Island. There might be institutional redevelopment and infrastructures

[2:45:32] Planner Zupanec: on the island. You don't have a lot of commercial or industrial. And so the key here for the nation

[2:45:41] Planner Zupanec: was ensuring that energy standards are higher, embodied carbon recycling, repurposing, demolition

[2:45:50] Planner Zupanec: versus retrofitting that the SCID somehow able to influence new development in that way and

[2:45:57] Planner Zupanec: the only way that I can tie that back to what you do is through rezoning applications and that's

[2:46:04] Planner Zupanec: where someone applies for a specific permission to do increase the density or change the use

[2:46:11] Planner Zupanec: of a specific area on the island and then the local trust committee has full

[2:46:16] Planner Zupanec: authority through an approval information dialogue as we refer to with the DAI to ask for more

[2:46:23] Planner Zupanec: information or see how this application would address policies in the OCP related to this

[2:46:29] Planner Zupanec: specific piece and then the applicant it's the onus is on the applicant then to prove to you

[2:46:34] Planner Zupanec: that their application will result in a higher standard of the built construction regardless of

[2:46:40] Planner Zupanec: of what the BC building code stipulates,

[2:46:42] Planner Zupanec: of course they have to meet that.

[2:46:45] Planner Zupanec: But at the time of a rezoning,

[2:46:47] Planner Zupanec: there can be other tools that you can use

[2:46:49] Planner Zupanec: to really ensure that the form of construction

[2:46:53] Planner Zupanec: may be helped to that higher standard.

[2:46:57] Planner Zupanec: So we can look at some of those options as well.

[2:47:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Do we have the jurisdiction to do that

[2:47:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): at a rezoning application?

[2:47:05] Planner Zupanec: You have the ability at a rezoning application

[2:47:08] Planner Zupanec: application to ask for specific information if you have a DAI by-law in a place that's

[2:47:14] Planner Zupanec: done by you need that so in this case if your OCP says you know we're looking to ensure that

[2:47:21] Planner Zupanec: new development on the island is also the highest standard of construction possible

[2:47:25] Planner Zupanec: to address climate adaptation issues then the applicant has to provide you with that information

[2:47:34] Planner Zupanec: to say, actually, we've done the modeling and this is how this new 10,000 square foot

[2:47:39] Planner Zupanec: building is actually going to address these issues.

[2:47:42] Planner Zupanec: And then we can look at other tools, whether they're covenants or other legal mechanisms

[2:47:49] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that if they do implement that use and apply for a building permit, that there

[2:47:57] Planner Zupanec: is a commitment to either to that higher standard or they're subject to a site-specific development

[2:48:09] Planner Zupanec: the other implementation piece here is strictly advocacy but the SCRD that they adopt

[2:48:14] Planner Zupanec: that really puts the onus on anyone applying for building code is going to be helped that

[2:48:22] Planner Zupanec: if it's for new construction so no the retrofits wouldn't be an issue renovations wouldn't be an

[2:48:28] Planner Zupanec: issue but if you've got a vacant piece of land and you're planning to build you may be the first

[2:48:34] Planner Zupanec: in a wave of people prior to the provincial implementation of this which is anticipated to

[2:48:40] Planner Zupanec: be 2030 um to have to build to a higher standard so

[2:48:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's why because it primarily sits with

[2:48:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): another authority and i'm more thinking of prioritization it's not that i don't think

[2:48:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's a good idea i'm just like do we spend planner time and effort on this when actually

[2:49:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): we can advocate to the actual authority that is responsible for this um because i'm also

[2:49:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): thinking it i haven't really come across this particular situation for rezoning densities

[2:49:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): things like that on gambier it's quite rare here not that it wouldn't come up but in terms of

[2:49:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): party I don't see this one as as worthy of spending your time trying to draft something

[2:49:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): when it could be covered not only with a different authority but in different ways

[2:49:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and you know I'm still looking for the information bylaw that would cover more than just this we've

[2:49:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): always been looking at those information bylaws and never really crystallizing how we'd like to

[2:49:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): see because

[2:49:53] Planner Zupanec: you

[2:49:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't have a high volume no either

[2:49:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): it is yeah so this one i'm although i i think it's

[2:50:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): fine i'm

[2:50:01] Planner Zupanec: just not sure whether it's worth this time and so the advocacy piece to the fdrd is

[2:50:06] Planner Zupanec: not of interest to the local trust committee yeah but that that's my taking well

[2:50:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i don't object to

[2:50:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the advocacy part uh in terms of working with the srd to actually burst them up their building

[2:50:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): permit requirements, that sort of thing. That's a complicated area which frankly I feel more

[2:50:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): comfortable with the SCRD taking the lead on that because of course they have a huge volume of this

[2:50:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): work and sources, frankly the building expertise. I do have very strong reservations about the idea

[2:50:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of using rezoning applications at the back door

[2:50:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to, by dint of asking questions

[2:50:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and frankly making the development process more difficult,

[2:50:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I object to that being used to increase the building standards.

[2:51:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I think somebody who is undertaking a project,

[2:51:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): gets a building permit,

[2:51:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): has to meet the standards in the building permit.

[2:51:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it ought to be one-stop shopping for that person that they have those are the conditions of

[2:51:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): construction whatever they may be but i have reservation reservations as to whether it's

[2:51:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): appropriate for us to use our jurisdiction on rezoning applications to sort of jolly an

[2:51:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): applicant along to to raise the standards to something greater than what's in the building

[2:51:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): permit requirements i don't think i can support that i don't think i think it would be abusive

[2:51:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of our jurisdiction. I could be wrong, but that's where I'm at today on that one. So no problem with

[2:51:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): working with the SCRD, a bigger problem, the idea of us trying to lever something in the OCP to sort

[2:51:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of make use of rezoning applications to do something indirectly that we don't have the

[2:51:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): jurisdiction to do directly. I

[2:52:03] Planner Zupanec: got my direction for...

[2:52:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Before you move off of that, I'm just

[2:52:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): reflecting on joe what you said there and um when somebody makes an application to rezone

[2:52:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's up to the ltc to decide whether or not they want to do that so if they're rezoning

[2:52:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're seeking some advantage um some benefit some whatever and so i think that it may i i'm

[2:52:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): trying to think of this in a in a in a supportive way of the applicant in that if they come in and

[2:52:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): they want to rezone something and they want to do this and the LTE isn't necessarily in support of

[2:52:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): whatever that this is but if there's policy and mechanisms in place that says well you can do this

[2:52:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you do it this way I think that that ultimately removes a roadblock from potential development

[2:52:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): where it's not left at the discretion of the LTC whereas you've got policy that facilitates and

[2:53:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): supports a type of rezoning that may not be acceptable under other circumstances. Is that

[2:53:09] Voice 9: fair? Absolutely. I

[2:53:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): get what you're saying, but the point is, I still think it's not appropriate

[2:53:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for the LTC to dangle that carrot up in an attempt to leverage the applicant into

[2:53:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): doing things that we can't directly require them to do. I think in principle, that's just wrong.

[2:53:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): wrong i mean there's the building code exists for a reason it's supposed to be the standard

[2:53:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that people follow and if we're trying to piggyback on the basis of the jurisdiction that

[2:53:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we have to do something we actually don't have the jurisdiction to do you know the planner used

[2:53:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the term ultra virus yeah i think that's a strong argument and i would i would just see what want

[2:53:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to steer clear from that because i see that as an invitation frankly to legal disputes we don't want

[2:54:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the

[2:54:03] Planner Zupanec: good news is the uh everyone's going to be subject to the same rules by 2030 this is

[2:54:07] Planner Zupanec: early implementers only who are ready to be uh right to be brave so if we're not that's fine

[2:54:13] Planner Zupanec: because 2030 is going to be here before you know it and everyone's going to have to build to a

[2:54:16] Planner Zupanec: higher standard i think because

[2:54:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): we have so little of this right now um any reason we see is so

[2:54:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): specific and doesn't necessarily fit this realm anyway. I'm not, I just don't think it's worth

[2:54:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): spending the time on it at this particular instance. So that's super helpful.

[2:54:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Do you think

[2:54:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we should skip the adjuncts and the SCID as well? Well,

[2:54:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): we can just add it into our, it's nice to

[2:54:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): have lots of stuff to say to them.

[2:54:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I

[2:54:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): know that there's even in permitting, I have a lot to say

[2:54:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): about it and of

[2:54:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): course any of this stuff would go on our projects list which we have the ability to

[2:55:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): prioritize the work right yeah yeah so this could be low on the priority list we may never get to it

[2:55:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah that would be helpful but yeah anyway that that's okay

[2:55:10] Planner Zupanec: okay e5 it's relatively straightforward

[2:55:13] Planner Zupanec: they were curious about having clear categories and policies in the climate change and adaptation

[2:55:20] Planner Zupanec: section so that people can better see how they fit and are nested into these objectives of is

[2:55:26] Planner Zupanec: this an adaptation policy is it addressing energy is it waste biodiversity etc so we'll organize

[2:55:32] Planner Zupanec: that for you it'll be interesting so you can see yeah thank you okay um okay b6 is specific to

[2:55:41] Planner Zupanec: targets and referencing other climate action goals if needed throughout the official community plan

[2:55:47] Planner Zupanec: And to ensure if we are looking at advocating for net zero emission targets,

[2:55:51] Planner Zupanec: that they are referenced elsewhere in the document if possible.

[2:55:55] Planner Zupanec: But since this is looking like a discussion point with the SCRD,

[2:56:00] Planner Zupanec: I think this would be deferred until you have the meeting with the SCRD

[2:56:04] Planner Zupanec: to determine whether or not they will be an early adopter of the net zero emissions targets.

[2:56:10] Planner Zupanec: And just

[2:56:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): as a comment, because we had to put the mission targets in with provincial decree, we kind of put a shot in the dark and came up with a number.

[2:56:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think these are, again, worthy goals, but when we go to actual implementation on this island, I think somebody said on one of the smaller islands that simply one more truck increased our emissions percentage by X amount, because there's so few people on the island.

[2:56:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): So to me, it's the advocacy to getting better infrastructure to allow us to get to zero emissions like electrical outlets at our parking lot.

[2:57:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): And these are more, it's advocacy, it's more practical operational infrastructure supported by other authorities, rather than our overall goal of zero emission in communities that are very, I don't want to say inefficient, in some ways they're very inefficient, and other ways, just the way they live are actually more efficient in their usage.

[2:57:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): usage. So it's so hard to measure this one. So again, you know, looks good. I just, it

[2:57:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): seems like minor text amendments, so I'm not that worried.

[2:57:42] Planner Zupanec: E7 is primarily advocacy from what we can tell. Again, if this zero carbon step program

[2:57:50] Planner Zupanec: is part of your next discussion point with them, if they want to be early adopters, that

[2:57:55] Planner Zupanec: be really interesting

[2:57:56] Planner Zupanec: for the local trust area to be included as part of the consideration yeah

[2:58:03] Voice 9: so

[2:58:04] Planner Zupanec: focus on

[2:58:04] Voice 9: advocacy on them

[2:58:17] Voice 4: so

[2:58:21] Planner Zupanec: v8 is potentially looking at a development permit area specifically

[2:58:27] Planner Zupanec: for energy and water conservation which is a tool if the local government act gives local

[2:58:32] Planner Zupanec: governments who

[2:58:32] Planner Zupanec: can do that island wide you can do it for specific areas of an island that are

[2:58:37] Planner Zupanec: of concern or of interest that have a lot of residential or commercial or industrial

[2:58:42] Planner Zupanec: or institutional development options. In this case, staff isn't necessarily recommending

[2:58:50] Planner Zupanec: this particular development from an area for Gambier Island. I think there's other

[2:58:54] Planner Zupanec: opportunities specifically working with the Sunshine Coast Regional District to

[2:58:59] Planner Zupanec: to better influence the built form than through a DPA.

[2:59:06] Planner Zupanec: So we're looking at other DPA recommendations

[2:59:09] Planner Zupanec: later on in the table

[2:59:10] Planner Zupanec: that I think would be a higher impact to consider.

[2:59:14] Planner Zupanec: However, this option does exist

[2:59:17] Planner Zupanec: if the LTC wanted to see what a draft might look like,

[2:59:20] Planner Zupanec: we could provide you with some information.

[2:59:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): but again i think we can accomplish this in different ways than how it's specifically

[2:59:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): laid out here and also there's a very distinct line between um how people build and live within

[2:59:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): the hydro grid versus the majority of the island which is not on hydro so they have a completely

[2:59:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): different set of challenges and benefits on how they support their living here, which

[2:59:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): in many ways actually.

[3:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): accomplishes what's being suggested here

[3:00:02] Voice 9: so

[3:00:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think we could actually get further with a different

[3:00:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): like education community advocacy so I think I prefer to go that direction on that one

[3:00:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[3:00:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): agree with Trustee Stanford and following a point that she's made before a number of times

[3:00:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): no matter how much we're committed to you know addressing climate change or whatever

[3:00:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): any particular issue that um that we're addressing or examining uh if it's able we do have to be

[3:00:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): mindful of the fact that uh we're dealing with really low population areas i mean the

[3:00:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and very rural the incremental um advantages in terms of mitigating climate change

[3:00:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by going through the elaborate process of developing a permit area and creating all

[3:00:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sorts of rules all the rest of it how many construction um projects is that really going

[3:00:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to apply to and as trustee stanford pointed out before the net benefit of it uh could could have

[3:01:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): just been easily achieved the same benefit or you know the same numerical benefit by having somebody

[3:01:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with you know an electric car as opposed to a gas pump not that we have the jurisdiction to require

[3:01:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): require that but as the trustee has pointed out we probably have a better opportunities on case

[3:01:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by case basis to address these types of issues rather than putting in a developer that's um a

[3:01:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): lot of effort for I think minimal return and not to mention there are uh we have to be mindful that

[3:01:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the potential inconvenience given the extreme rural nature of some of these properties uh could

[3:01:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): be devastating for some people if it could prevent them from from even building places

[3:01:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you know depending on what the cost requirements might be or what the the requirements so i think

[3:01:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we should uh i support the idea that we should probably not do ph right

[3:02:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we are endorsing the

[3:02:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): than not endorsing it.

[3:02:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK.

[3:02:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK, thank you.

[3:02:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Double-bigger.

[3:02:14] Planner Zupanec: Next one, B9.

[3:02:16] Planner Zupanec: It's just a simple separation of stormwater and water

[3:02:20] Planner Zupanec: conservation objectives in that section.

[3:02:22] Planner Zupanec: Same second.

[3:02:24] Planner Zupanec: Great.

[3:02:25] Planner Zupanec: We'll take from there.

[3:02:26] Planner Zupanec: It's just making sure it's clear just

[3:02:27] Planner Zupanec: the

[3:02:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): different objectives there.

[3:02:30] Voice 4: Yep.

[3:02:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Oh, man, there's a lot of SCRD stuff here.

[3:02:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just a little bit more.

[3:02:36] Voice 5: more um b10 is

[3:02:38] Planner Zupanec: advocacy specifically with the fbrd uh possibly your next meeting to discuss

[3:02:44] Planner Zupanec: opportunities for rebates to be extended to gambier these are very limited and timely

[3:02:49] Planner Zupanec: situations that come up so i'm not sure that you know they're subject to provincial and federal

[3:02:55] Planner Zupanec: grant rebate programs as well so and we're working

[3:02:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): on that so i think it is perfectly valid to put it

[3:03:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): in i'd rather have too much from the agenda than not enough yep sounds

[3:03:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fine okay

[3:03:09] Voice 16: okay

[3:03:11] Planner Zupanec: so we've

[3:03:12] Planner Zupanec: moved away from the climate action adaptation section now we're getting into now we're getting

[3:03:16] Planner Zupanec: some media recommendations we're into section c c1 is exploring the implementation of a shoreline

[3:03:24] Planner Zupanec: development permit area that would encompass the entire island um or a heritage conservation area

[3:03:30] Planner Zupanec: to be applied either island-wide or within a certain radius of a natural boundary of the sea,

[3:03:36] Planner Zupanec: so 200 meters was suggested. Your project charter already identifies this as an implementable tool.

[3:03:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yep.

[3:03:44] Planner Zupanec: That you are contemplating at that point. For both the DPA and heritage conservation area.

[3:03:51] Planner Zupanec: So there are no examples currently that I can point you to within the trust area of this being

[3:03:57] Planner Zupanec: implemented as of yet and since you are the furthest along out of all the local trust areas

[3:04:02] Planner Zupanec: in terms of your engagement with the nation and getting very clear recommendations back

[3:04:07] Planner Zupanec: this would be the opportunity for you to confirm with staff that you are willing to proceed with

[3:04:13] Planner Zupanec: your project charter which did identify this tool as a viable opportunity to address reconciliation

[3:04:21] Planner Zupanec: reconciliation and action at the level that you have jurisdiction to ensure that you're cooperating

[3:04:27] Planner Zupanec: with the nation's request that their concerns and OPC addressed when there's land disturbance

[3:04:32] Planner Zupanec: and so the high sensitivity of Gambier Island has been raised in terms of the nation's concerns that

[3:04:38] Planner Zupanec: land disturbances that result in irreparable damage and harm to their culturally significant

[3:04:44] Planner Zupanec: areas need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis which is what that heritage alteration

[3:04:50] Planner Zupanec: permit tends to lend itself really is using that process to inform how the built environment can be

[3:04:58] Planner Zupanec: done to mitigate that damage it doesn't mean to sterilize the properties it means to actually

[3:05:04] Planner Zupanec: ensure that any changes that are done are done in a way that mitigate the adverse impacts to those

[3:05:11] Planner Zupanec: areas but

[3:05:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's in the nature of these sanctions the imposed cost and delay on on people who need

[3:05:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): need to apply to the development program so it's an important thing i've got a question

[3:05:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): where does the 200 meter number come from

[3:05:26] Planner Zupanec: that was uh part of our staff to staff discussions around

[3:05:30] Planner Zupanec: the sensitivity zones if it wasn't island wide what buffer areas to the high water mark

[3:05:39] Planner Zupanec: were relevant for the islands in the house sound and they came back with 200 meters is typically

[3:05:46] Planner Zupanec: the area of analysis that they're using when they receive referrals and applications

[3:05:51] Planner Zupanec: for changes within their territory that 200 meter buffer is the highest concentration of

[3:05:59] Planner Zupanec: significance for them and so they also have to use criteria when they're triaging volumes and

[3:06:06] Planner Zupanec: volumes of applications and referrals and that's where the number the suggested number came from

[3:06:11] Planner Zupanec: is it's mirroring the process that they use to flag the importance of land alterations within

[3:06:19] Planner Zupanec: their territory.

[3:06:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I was trying to be cognizant of hands up and follow-ups and sequence of events.

[3:06:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we have a DPA on Brigade Bay, it's 100 meters and that's the shoreline protection.

[3:06:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): um it works better than it works anywhere else because it doesn't exist really anywhere there's

[3:06:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): different forms of protection on other parts of the island like there's a almost like a park

[3:06:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): setback on the net 100 meters setback on the north part of our island that is not available

[3:07:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's kind of a linear park i can't remember the exact wording for it so i see um a real

[3:07:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): possibility for shoreline protection at 100 meters um and i've seen many examples where it would be

[3:07:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): useful i'm still not sure where the hca would intersect with that and whether or not

[3:07:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's any possibility of looking out at 100 meters or is that like in terms of priority

[3:07:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): priority gnosis down at sea um but i think that would be oh those are

[3:07:46] Planner Zupanec: just numerical it's not in

[3:07:48] Planner Zupanec: priority so this is top these are all high priorities yeah they

[3:07:53] Planner Zupanec: are okay so that we've

[3:07:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): only

[3:07:54] Planner Zupanec: reported back on their high priorities yeah we did

[3:07:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): that last week that's right

[3:07:59] Planner Zupanec: um

[3:08:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm not sure if well i kind of want to see what this looks like um it's worth

[3:08:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): Moving forward on it, I'm just not sure which direction, whether it's for the HCA, whether it's island-wide or priority areas like the shoreline and freshwater.

[3:08:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm not sure what the implications are. That's what I'm trying to get at.

[3:08:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): I kind of want to see what it looks like, but I'm not necessarily thinking that I have enough information to

[3:08:39] Planner Zupanec: understand what it is.

[3:08:41] Planner Zupanec: So there's two recommendations in there. The first is that you endorse the recommendation for the DPA and maybe come back with a draft language, which we could work with the Advisory Planning Commission on as well, but that's a relatively straightforward word, if I can use that term.

[3:08:56] Planner Zupanec: um because we have lots of examples and that that requests further information from staff

[3:09:02] Planner Zupanec: on the implications of the hca so that we can really lay it out because again we don't have

[3:09:06] Planner Zupanec: an example to point to of how it works uh and then we give that information to you a supplemental

[3:09:12] Planner Zupanec: report specifically how does heritage conservation area work if it's island wide if it's specific to

[3:09:18] Planner Zupanec: a geographic area of the island what is the permitting process how does the delegation of

[3:09:25] Planner Zupanec: of issuance of those permits play in

[3:09:29] Planner Zupanec: if the local committee wants to look at those options

[3:09:32] Planner Zupanec: and how does working with the nations

[3:09:34] Planner Zupanec: on the issuance of those permits look like

[3:09:35] Planner Zupanec: or could look like.

[3:09:36] Planner Zupanec: Those are all exciting opportunities

[3:09:39] Planner Zupanec: that the nation was really interested to see

[3:09:40] Planner Zupanec: whether or not you wanted to explore.

[3:09:42] Planner Zupanec: So I'm suggesting today's not the day

[3:09:44] Planner Zupanec: to have all that information available to you,

[3:09:47] Planner Zupanec: but if you're interested, absolutely.

[3:09:49] Planner Zupanec: Yeah,

[3:09:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think it's really important

[3:09:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): that we at least look at this.

[3:09:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): and there's just as far as the dpa for showing protection you're

[3:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): saying we're interested we're

[3:10:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): interested and you know that that's it's it's the width more than anything that i see what the

[3:10:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): actual impact is and and sometimes one of the things that's going through this is i know areas

[3:10:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): that will be impacted but seeing how many homes how many places are impacted in what form and i

[3:10:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): might be able to do that myself as i look around the island but trying to get some data on what

[3:10:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): and these

[3:10:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be for new construction alterations of some significance right

[3:10:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): the guidelines

[3:10:42] Planner Zupanec: would have to be very clear as to how they get triggered what the exceptions

[3:10:46] Planner Zupanec: are, you're going through a very similar process now. We don't intend to mirror what you're

[3:10:51] Planner Zupanec: doing on Keats. This is a totally different context. We're not working in the absence

[3:10:55] Planner Zupanec: of First Nations guidance on this.

[3:11:03] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:11:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You've got your hand up.

[3:11:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, you told me to put my hand up, I have to put my hands up. Thank you. Your job is

[3:11:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to see me that's right okay yeah walking my feet the uh if we explore this thing uh i can tell you

[3:11:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i i very much come from a an evidence-based approach to things which is everything sounds

[3:11:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): terrific in the abstract

[3:11:31] Voice 15: but

[3:11:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in keeping with where trotty's efforts come from it's is a good

[3:11:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): idea can be great in theory but in practice you could have all sorts of deleterious effects on

[3:11:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): people principally people you know set people who actually live on the island here already

[3:11:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): so i would like to see as part of an exploration of this as you know notwithstanding that squamish

[3:11:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): nation uses 200 meters as its benchmark for for assessing an area for heritage conversation

[3:12:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): conservation purposes uh i'd like to see how evidence-based that is and whether or not it's

[3:12:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): actually equally applicable to gam and you know why should it be island wide versus certain so

[3:12:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): like what's the evidence that justifies having an island wide approach as opposed to identifying

[3:12:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): specific areas that are more likely to require and you know a rationale or justification for why 200

[3:12:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): 200 meters as opposed to 150 or 250 or whatever it happens to be so evidence uh it's all fine to come

[3:12:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): up the rules but i'd like to see supporting evidence for them just

[3:12:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): make

[3:12:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that point i

[3:12:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): i i hear

[3:12:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): what you're saying but i think we were clear that the scotch nation has our staff have already come

[3:12:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): back and said 200 meters is where the majority of the evidence is found the archaeological

[3:13:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): history is found is in that area near freshwater and in the shoreline which is certainly it's up

[3:13:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): to them to say to us this is where our historical activity is being it's

[3:13:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): actually up to them to give

[3:13:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): us the evidence so we can make a decision i i don't believe in faith-based well it's not

[3:13:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): regulation

[3:13:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i just if they have that position they can give us a report or a summary or staff

[3:13:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): can summarize the report. I just want to see the references to what the actual evidence is. That's

[3:13:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): all.

[3:13:36] Planner Zupanec: And just be aware

[3:13:37] Planner Zupanec: that through the chair, some of these are not recorded sites yet, right?

[3:13:42] Planner Zupanec: They haven't been recorded. The archaeological evidence that you might be seeking is woefully

[3:13:47] Planner Zupanec: lacking in terms of its recorded history. So that's a significant barrier to them providing

[3:13:53] Planner Zupanec: you with evidence is that they don't have access to the data because private land ownership has

[3:13:58] Planner Zupanec: prevented them from accessing their territory to document let

[3:14:01] Voice 15: me give you a clear example what i

[3:14:03] Voice 15: mean

[3:14:03] Planner Zupanec: so sorry i wasn't quite finished i just wanted to make sure it was clear that evidence

[3:14:07] Planner Zupanec: in the western viewpoint you may bring that up at your political meeting with squamish nation

[3:14:15] Planner Zupanec: council i as a staff person will not be asking staff for evidence to give to my elected officials

[3:14:21] Planner Zupanec: in this regard that is a political directive that i can't take because it would be very offensive

[3:14:26] Planner Zupanec: to them considering the fact that I know they don't have access to the western evidence that

[3:14:33] Planner Zupanec: everybody wants to have in order to make decisions. I

[3:14:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): don't think my position is being understood here

[3:14:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what I'm trying to get to the point of this they have a certain amount of experience that has led

[3:14:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): them to this conclusion what I'm saying is it's all fine and well to be given the conclusion

[3:14:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'd like to know what the benefit of their experience is that's all tell us what you

[3:14:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you actually know about how you got to this 200 number and their

[3:14:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): experience and their past

[3:15:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): experience may have been in various places you're reporting with in a summary way i'd like to see a

[3:15:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): bit more about what their actual experience has been that's all their

[3:15:10] Planner Zupanec: actual experience has been

[3:15:11] Planner Zupanec: that within 200 meters of any water body there is that is the highest incidence for them that's

[3:15:17] Planner Zupanec: what's left what's left of what you can find or the cultural significance of those areas based

[3:15:23] Planner Zupanec: on the patterns of use by the nations so um that is what they've communicated i'm not sure i know

[3:15:32] Planner Zupanec: what else i could ask for beyond

[3:15:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that well there's one thing in particular i'm interested in is that

[3:15:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i i would anticipate that the archaeological discoveries that get made will vary depending

[3:15:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in some cases on the geographical layout of the land if you've got a flatter beach area

[3:15:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you're more likely to see things

[3:15:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): all the way back

[3:15:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): versus steep that

[3:15:55] Voice 16: kind of you

[3:15:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't think you

[3:15:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): can make those assumptions well

[3:15:58] Voice 16: that's what i that's what i'm saying i'd like to know what

[3:16:01] Voice 16: they're experiencing so that we can calibrate our response so

[3:16:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i mean there is quite a bit

[3:16:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): of evidence on the end of archaeological points within that 200 meters so there is um background

[3:16:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): material for gambier there's archaeologists on the island um but i'm not sure i think this is

[3:16:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): speaking to what planners are panics saying it's not necessarily what you would consider

[3:16:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): evidence well

[3:16:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): please don't assume what i would accept

[3:16:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the fact that you've said that there's already pre-existing archaeological evidence that's been

[3:16:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): been discovered on Gambier that goes into 200 meters beyond.

[3:16:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): That's the kind of thing I want to know.

[3:16:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What I'm trying to say here is, just being presented to me

[3:16:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with a one paragraph proposition,

[3:16:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it has implications.

[3:16:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I want to know what the facts are that justify it.

[3:16:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): That's all.

[3:16:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): But I think that's what we're coming to, right?

[3:17:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's why we want to explore it.

[3:17:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): We're saying, right, that was my entry point into this.

[3:17:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): As we explore it, please bring me facts.

[3:17:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It makes it easier for me.

[3:17:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to make a decision about these things.

[3:17:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): We can explore that

[3:17:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): in another conversation

[3:17:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): because there's learning and opportunity to learn about the knowledge that exists on the coast too.

[3:17:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Exactly, that's the point. Yeah, so I get it. It's how we articulate the message and question.

[3:17:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think we want to support this. Yes.

[3:17:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I support it. All right.

[3:17:49] Voice 9: C

[3:17:52] Planner Zupanec: -3 is specific to your official community plan identifying that you may want to use a development approval information bylaw, that's the DAI bylaw we spoke about earlier, to require a higher level of information prior to a proposal being advanced through the legislative review.

[3:18:12] Planner Zupanec: So the LTC is confident that the impacts of a proposal on culturally significant areas

[3:18:19] Planner Zupanec: has been vetted through the nations, through these tools that they use to evaluate impacts,

[3:18:26] Planner Zupanec: and that's the preliminary field reconnaissance, archaeological overview assessment, or

[3:18:32] Planner Zupanec: archaeological impact assessment. Either of those three are for different levels of detail based on

[3:18:37] Planner Zupanec: on the significance of each proposal.

[3:18:39] Planner Zupanec: So any type of proposal can come forward

[3:18:42] Planner Zupanec: and warrant a different level of review

[3:18:46] Planner Zupanec: based on its significance.

[3:18:48] Planner Zupanec: So that could be topography, cultural significance,

[3:18:51] Voice 10: art, reported art sites.

[3:19:04] Voice 10: Sonja, are you muted?

[3:19:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): There's a ghost in the machine.

[3:19:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm sorry, I'm just being asked to unmute.

[3:19:14] Planner Zupanec: Is that helpful?

[3:19:16] Voice 13: No.

[3:19:16] Voice 13: Yes.

[3:19:17] Voice 13: Now we've got an echo going on.

[3:19:19] Voice 13: Sorry,

[3:19:19] Voice 9: now there's an echo.

[3:19:20] Voice 9: go.

[3:19:28] Planner Zupanec: Unmute. I'm assuming, perhaps. You

[3:19:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): know what I could do is I could, Lisa, is I could probably

[3:19:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): turn the microphone off of the camera and only rely upon Sonia's microphone on her computer.

[3:19:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, let's try that. Does that sound like a reasonable attempt? Okay.

[3:19:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Here we

[3:19:47] Voice 9: go. Okay.

[3:19:50] Planner Zupanec: I'm unmuted.

[3:20:05] Voice 10: I'm just wondering if I can...

[3:24:42] Voice 10: excuse me through the chair yeah

[3:25:28] Voice 9: i know this is we can be we haven't done anything with the

[3:25:33] Voice 9: audio except

[3:25:34] Voice 2: we're trying to do it the way that it was and i i can hear you now oh so maybe we're

[3:25:41] Voice 2: just having we were having a second problem can

[3:25:43] Planner Zupanec: you hear me as well lisa yes

[3:25:45] Voice 2: i can hear you both

[3:25:46] Voice 2: both now.

[3:25:47] Voice 2: Well, let's begin.

[3:25:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:25:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): We need a break.

[3:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): There you go.

[3:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I needed a break.

[3:25:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:25:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, Sonia and I just had a little conversation about the remaining time in our agenda and

[3:25:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): getting folks out of here for 3 o'clock.

[3:26:04] Voice 13: And maybe we're not going to have the time to do that today, but I'm going to go to Sonia

[3:26:09] Voice 13: and ask you to tell us what your recommendation is.

[3:26:13] Planner Zupanec: so in the interest of time because i'm not staying overnight right i thought i forgot you

[3:26:19] Planner Zupanec: yeah um one of the options is that i've got a significant enough direction through table one

[3:26:25] Planner Zupanec: already that i could uh prepare and craft the necessary resolutions for your october meeting

[3:26:33] Planner Zupanec: based on table one we could continue to just finish table one because it's quite straightforward

[3:26:38] Planner Zupanec: forward what's left um and then at the october meeting you're prepared to identify what it is

[3:26:44] Planner Zupanec: you'd like to have referred to your advisory planning commission if anything yeah and consider

[3:26:48] Planner Zupanec: the resolutions based on the direction i've already kind of gotten from you today yeah at

[3:26:53] Planner Zupanec: this table so it'll all be spelled out and i don't have to crack those for you on the fly

[3:26:57] Planner Zupanec: before three o'clock so if that works for you uh we'll just finish table one okay and then defer

[3:27:05] Planner Zupanec: defer this to the next meeting with a company staff report that'll have the resolution spelled

[3:27:12] Planner Zupanec: out so you can double check and confirm which of these you're proceeding with yeah advocacy books

[3:27:18] Planner Zupanec: so we

[3:27:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): have some recommended motions at the end of this thing so we but

[3:27:24] Voice 12: you don't need to

[3:27:25] Voice 12: we don't

[3:27:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to worry about it today okay so we're just going to finish this work and defer

[3:27:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): for a table turn to the next meeting. That's great. Yeah.

[3:27:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Does that sound all right? Yeah. Because

[3:27:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): I've got heads

[3:27:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): off. So the CRD stuff, I am forwarding this to them anyway,

[3:27:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I like it.

[3:27:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's continue then and conclude table one.

[3:27:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[3:27:47] Planner Zupanec: so it was the three looking at the information

[3:27:54] Planner Zupanec: bylaw to specifically focus on culturally significant areas and

[3:28:00] Planner Zupanec: collecting information from applicants of which there's very few rezoning applications for gambier

[3:28:05] Planner Zupanec: in my time yeah with the trust over the last 16 years yeah so

[3:28:10] Planner Zupanec: i don't anticipate um that this

[3:28:13] Planner Zupanec: would be a high volume activity but it's within your jurisdiction to address the nation's concerns

[3:28:18] Planner Zupanec: around increases in density or new changes in use having this level of detail collected because it's

[3:28:26] Planner Zupanec: not required this is one of those gaps in the provincial system where this type of information

[3:28:31] Planner Zupanec: is so valuable and so important but yet is not required to be collected that you can as a local

[3:28:39] Planner Zupanec: government require it to be part of an accompanying an application where a higher use or density

[3:28:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about c3 there's three different approaches here forms of assessment or reconnaissance that are

[3:29:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): being contemplated um is is the idea that um whether one or all or some of these approaches

[3:29:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): would be adopted would be case specific it would depend on an assessment or somebody puts in an

[3:29:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): an application planners look at it and they sort of reach a conclusion well you know a pfr will do

[3:29:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): here or in a different situation no this one looks like it's sufficiently potentially sufficiently

[3:29:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): important that we should do all three i mean there's some discretion being applied there

[3:29:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): between the three right

[3:29:38] Planner Zupanec: so at the time of a preliminary staff report being presented to

[3:29:42] Planner Zupanec: the local trust committee that specific rationale as to why we're recommending that it be an aoa

[3:29:48] Planner Zupanec: versus an AIA versus an FPR would be included and that's also working in cooperation with the nation

[3:29:56] Planner Zupanec: when they get early notification of

[3:30:00] Planner Zupanec: applications, which is what they're asking for,

[3:30:02] Planner Zupanec: that they can also confirm that this is a high significant

[3:30:05] Planner Zupanec: or low incident, low significant site.

[3:30:08] Planner Zupanec: Therefore, perhaps that can also be waived.

[3:30:11] Planner Zupanec: So there's instances where it might not be necessary

[3:30:13] Planner Zupanec: to provide any level of detail

[3:30:16] Planner Zupanec: because the proposal just doesn't warrant

[3:30:18] Planner Zupanec: that information being collected, so.

[3:30:21] Planner Zupanec: Would

[3:30:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): there be a threshold in density or intensity of use

[3:30:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that would trigger the requirement?

[3:30:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm just wondering would this be applied to every application for increasing something for example

[3:30:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): somebody wants to build an extra house as opposed to something to build six yeah

[3:30:36] Planner Zupanec: that's the dai can

[3:30:37] Planner Zupanec: spell out specific requirements where you asked for that information okay

[3:30:44] Voice 9: so

[3:30:45] Planner Zupanec: if you'd like to

[3:30:46] Planner Zupanec: see what a draft date dai bylaw looks like in this regard that would be part of your identifying

[3:30:51] Planner Zupanec: today that yes you would expect to see that the OCP and LUV are accompanied by a DAI that we can

[3:30:57] Planner Zupanec: present to trust council to say hey this is the a new standard that we're looking for and it would

[3:31:02] Planner Zupanec: be the first in the trust and it would significantly address any

[3:31:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): concerns. You know they just the

[3:31:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): acronyms just trip off your tongue there's me. I've

[3:31:14] Planner Zupanec: been doing this for a little while I guess.

[3:31:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): Your projects. Unfortunately I understand them all which is terrifying.

[3:31:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, in my experience with these assessments, the AOA and AIA, usually the nation asks specifically for one or the other.

[3:31:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): With the province, correct?

[3:31:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, exactly.

[3:31:36] Planner Zupanec: In this case, yeah, this would be information that would be shared with the province if it's collected, the nation,

[3:31:42] Planner Zupanec: the province, and the local government in particular application of this rezoning application.

[3:31:49] Planner Zupanec: yeah

[3:31:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): and like you say the resulting incidence is very small here compared to yes i would say

[3:31:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): panda for instance which is where most of that experience comes from for me

[3:31:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so we supported this i'm

[3:32:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): interested in seeing what it could look like um given that it is

[3:32:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): is um such a niche um instance for us and the only times i can think of it is is the big

[3:32:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): like i've had somebody ask about having three homes or things like that um and very

[3:32:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): big high-end style of development um that certainly could do with this kind of

[3:32:37] Planner Zupanec: So the other accompanying piece to that was the second one, C4, which was the same thing.

[3:32:43] Planner Zupanec: It was that same tool, but to collect biophysical information.

[3:32:47] Planner Zupanec: And that's specific to ecological inventories of the parcels prior to development,

[3:32:53] Planner Zupanec: so that the applicant is demonstrating where are the existing habitats, where are the critical habitats,

[3:33:00] Planner Zupanec: Where is the incidence of mature sensitive threatened ecosystems on that parcel so when they overlay their development so it's very clear that they thought about placing structures buildings excavations for septic etc in areas that have the least amount of impact on the native habitats versus just doing it because that's where it makes sense to do it from a building perspective.

[3:33:28] Planner Zupanec: is like actually using that layer of data to inform a better settlement pattern for example

[3:33:35] Voice 9: so

[3:33:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): it just um again if these are looked at i think it has to be super crystal extra clear

[3:33:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): double stated this is only for rezoning for density correct that would be the intent yeah

[3:33:52] Voice 9: Because

[3:33:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): otherwise, I can see this exploding all over the place and having to do a lot of

[3:33:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): no,

[3:34:00] Planner Zupanec: but that gets people familiar with, oh, if you are proposing, oh, yeah,

[3:34:05] Planner Zupanec: use or intensity of use, you are held to a different standard, because these are

[3:34:09] Planner Zupanec: serious concerns that your OCP is trying to address. Yes. And that's the whole point of

[3:34:13] Planner Zupanec: the trust so um so yeah let's go to the ai pieces uh

[3:34:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but about c3 and c4 a principle like i don't

[3:34:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have any objection to them but again it comes down to the practical question of if as we've

[3:34:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): been told meeting the number of rezoning applications is so few and so rare i mean

[3:34:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): rezoning for density um what's the return to effort in terms of devoting staff resources and

[3:34:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'd like i would want to see the ocp delayed further because we have to do yards of work

[3:34:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): on something like this yeah this isn't

[3:34:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that isn't likely to get a huge amount of application

[3:34:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): well

[3:34:54] Planner Zupanec: we don't know because we're predicting the future is more change uh we're predicting more

[3:34:59] Planner Zupanec: growth and more development not less across the entire region so the pressure to develop land and

[3:35:05] Planner Zupanec: to squeeze out more density is real and i would anticipate that even one application done really

[3:35:11] Planner Zupanec: well is a win versus not having the ability to ask for this level of detail ever because you just

[3:35:18] Planner Zupanec: haven't implemented it so it sits there if it's used it's great if it's not it's a security net

[3:35:23] Planner Zupanec: if and when that application comes in you have the legal authority to ask the applicant to submit

[3:35:29] Planner Zupanec: that level of detail otherwise you don't and you just take what you get to get an application fee

[3:35:33] Planner Zupanec: we review it against the trust policy statement your ocp and yeah that's about it so i

[3:35:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): think this

[3:35:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): This has bigger ramifications than just, oh, well, only maybe use it once.

[3:35:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): They're, you know, having considerations of density.

[3:35:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's never gone through, it's never gone anywhere, but they're big.

[3:35:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there's a lot of money behind them.

[3:36:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): And it's exactly the kind of thing I would like to be able to return to those people and say, well, here's what you're doing.

[3:36:11] Voice 11: So C3

[3:36:12] Planner Zupanec: and C4, you'd be interested to see what that would look like, and it would be utilized

[3:36:16] Planner Zupanec: trust-wide if done well, which that's what we want to do, potentially.

[3:36:24] Planner Zupanec: So there's no action required for D1.

[3:36:27] Planner Zupanec: We were

[3:36:28] Planner Zupanec: not insulted.

[3:36:30] Planner Zupanec: Thanks for staying here.

[3:36:34] Planner Zupanec: You already have a streamside protection that they wished

[3:36:39] Planner Zupanec: for you to maintain so there's no action required uh for d1 so we're getting there

[3:36:48] Planner Zupanec: v2 is somewhat advocacy related with the how it sounds about spirit trust area services

[3:36:56] Voice 9: potentially

[3:36:57] Planner Zupanec: administer environment climate change strategy requesting

[3:37:00] Planner Zupanec: provincial support for biodiversity so these are more generic in nature you're better

[3:37:04] Planner Zupanec: attuned politically as to where the best avenues for your success are in this regard

[3:37:10] Planner Zupanec: Or requesting that the executive committee meet directly with the province, which I think is a power that the EC does have to, within at some point in their time, to meet with the ministers of specific provincial branches and advocate directly.

[3:37:29] Planner Zupanec: And so these are, especially when it's related to First Nations matters, I think this would be important for EC to be aware of what you

[3:37:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): need help with.

[3:37:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): Chair Luckum.

[3:37:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes.

[3:37:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do you make use of minister meetings at UBCM?

[3:37:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): I mean, this doesn't seem quite as specific as usual for top types,

[3:37:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): but does this have a wider advocacy implication for a UBCM minister's meeting?

[3:37:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): We do meet with ministers.

[3:38:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): We create a topic, a short list of topics to speak about, usually very brief,

[3:38:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): um to identify a problem and garner support um this could be something like that we'd have to

[3:38:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): get it to executive anyway that's

[3:38:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): just trying to think of a advocacy avenue on the owner yep

[3:38:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah maybe not now but in the future like you know this is an interesting

[3:38:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): ubcm coming up because it's an election cycle yeah and

[3:38:32] Planner Zupanec: then the ltc of course through their

[3:38:34] Planner Zupanec: own initiative can working with tabs send your own letters specifically if you have a specific

[3:38:39] Voice 4: Right

[3:38:39] Planner Zupanec: that you wish to explore. So those are two options there. Yeah.

[3:38:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that was D, D

[3:38:48] Planner Zupanec: two. Yeah. Within D two, there's two sort of implementation options. One is to be able to see directly or advocating that you see the minister, which I can give you resolutions for both and then you can decide in October, which ones you want to advance.

[3:39:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, this would require some work to advance to the next year.

[3:39:07] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, but that would have to be next year.

[3:39:11] Planner Zupanec: D3, we've already discussed because it's related to C1.

[3:39:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I had a question as to what is the difference? Is there any, I mean, 30 meters versus the 200?

[3:39:25] Planner Zupanec: another eight

[3:39:25] Planner Zupanec: heritage conservation areas in the 200 yeah so the development permit area is very

[3:39:30] Planner Zupanec: specific right it would just be for ecological short and stability right parameters of a

[3:39:35] Planner Zupanec: development permit versus a heritage conservation area a little bit different those tools are used

[3:39:40] Planner Zupanec: for different things but we can't dovetail a development permit to do archaeological

[3:39:44] Planner Zupanec: cultural significance like right okay would

[3:39:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it be the same uh would um would it be this

[3:39:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the same development permit area but just different requirements like the shore stabilization and

[3:40:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): environmental protection elements you know they're in different headings and they're dealing with the

[3:40:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): 30 meter setback and then you've got the heritage conservation section that goes 200 meters would

[3:40:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): all be like one omnibus development permit area with its requirements or two separate

[3:40:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): development permit areas for the different purposes one's

[3:40:22] Planner Zupanec: a development permit area

[3:40:23] Planner Zupanec: Well, once a heritage conservation area, we can't mix the two.

[3:40:26] Planner Zupanec: You're not authorized under the local government act to pledge the tools.

[3:40:32] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[3:40:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So in C1, where we talk about.

[3:40:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You've

[3:40:36] Planner Zupanec: got two options there.

[3:40:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So what would,

[3:40:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is there any practical difference between calling the development permit

[3:40:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): area or heritage conservation area, or is it just two different?

[3:40:47] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, there are two different tools, two different objectives.

[3:40:50] Planner Zupanec: Absolutely.

[3:40:51] Planner Zupanec: Through legislation.

[3:40:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Okay. I'm just wondering why don't we refer it to the DP area in C1 that should have 100 meters?

[3:40:59] Planner Zupanec: About 200 meters, because we're identifying those are

[3:41:02] Planner Zupanec: two different tools to utilize across the island.

[3:41:08] Planner Zupanec: You could do island-wide development permit areas.

[3:41:11] Planner Zupanec: You could do just shoreline development permit areas for different ecological protection biodiversity measures.

[3:41:19] Planner Zupanec: So, right now, shoreline protection seems to be something that you're interested in looking at specifically.

[3:41:25] Planner Zupanec: Part of the conservation area we're going to report back on with some specific implementation options.

[3:41:31] Planner Zupanec: So I don't think, yeah, D3, there's nothing, these were all recommendations coming out of the nation.

[3:41:41] Planner Zupanec: Now that we're getting into the details, I'm just showing you, so you don't have to worry about the specific one,

[3:41:46] Planner Zupanec: because we've already addressed it or we will be when we report back to you on scene one yeah okay

[3:41:51] Voice 9: um

[3:41:52] Planner Zupanec: and the same with uh okay so for t4 this is an advocacy piece again this is related to

[3:42:04] Planner Zupanec: applications for new doc tenures to the province that you meet with the minister responsible

[3:42:11] Planner Zupanec: to advocate that they require a higher standard of information as well for new

[3:42:17] Planner Zupanec: dock tenures to be accompanied by the appropriate archaeological information

[3:42:22] Planner Zupanec: as well within the house. So this is LTA-wide, not the Canada-specific. But this would be

[3:42:30] Planner Zupanec: supporting the nation who's also trying to advocate for this information to be

[3:42:35] Planner Zupanec: required um and again i'll come back in october with some resolution options if you'd like to

[3:42:44] Planner Zupanec: consider implementing this but there's a few different ways to do it well

[3:42:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): above the board

[3:42:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i could throw in this thought which is that um i think it'd be helpful if it was not one size

[3:42:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fits all but it built into the um requirement for new dog tenures that didn't be elective or

[3:43:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sorry no that there'd be some discretion on the part of staff as to whether or not it's actually

[3:43:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): required or not like um not requiring it i mean there are areas if it's going to be helpful the

[3:43:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): idea is to be local trust area wide i certainly know there are areas like gates and elsewhere that

[3:43:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): um you know any kind of reconnaissance i mean they're heavily developed already

[3:43:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's like talking about a new dock you know 15 meters away from one that's already there

[3:43:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the utility of of doing a an assessment depending on the circumstances there may not be any so

[3:43:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's why i'd like to see some discretion on the part of the planning staff to be able to pick and

[3:43:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): choose to which circumstances it might like if we actually got this done under which circumstances

[3:43:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh staff would require an assessment i

[3:43:57] Planner Zupanec: think it's the the nation is asking the

[3:43:59] Planner Zupanec: at the home of that discussion and determining when it is or isn't imperative for that level

[3:44:06] Planner Zupanec: of detail to be submitted based on their understanding of this geography so well

[3:44:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): they're probably in a better position they're probably in a better position to know that's

[3:44:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fine too it's just that we like discretion built into the decision not just one size fits all

[3:44:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uniformly requiring people to do this every time irrespective of whether it's actually no i don't

[3:44:25] Planner Zupanec: think that that's what they're looking for they're looking for that door to be open and for that

[3:44:29] Planner Zupanec: that requirement to be upheld when it's appropriate.

[3:44:33] Planner Zupanec: Right now, there is no avenue for them to request

[3:44:36] Planner Zupanec: that that information be accompanied

[3:44:38] Planner Zupanec: by a new doc tenure application.

[3:44:39] Planner Zupanec: So the advocacy would help support their cause

[3:44:43] Planner Zupanec: to ensure they're at that table.

[3:44:45] Voice 16: Fair enough, thank you.

[3:44:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So on a slightly different note,

[3:44:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): is House Sound and Gambier part of the special exemption

[3:44:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): from doc tenures as it is in the North Dakota fund?

[3:44:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're included in the southern gulf islands current um restrictions

[3:45:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): so

[3:45:03] Voice 12: that's my question yeah there's no special yeah there's no moratorium

[3:45:10] Voice 12: are you wondering if there's a moratorium yeah okay so then they they're exempted

[3:45:17] Voice 12: from the

[3:45:17] Voice 12: moratorium okay all right yeah

[3:45:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm sorry very quick so i just wanted to understand that

[3:45:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay great okay

[3:45:24] Planner Zupanec: and so d5 is um again we're just repeating a recommendation from the nation that

[3:45:31] Planner Zupanec: i'm now linking back to c1 so in terms of its category of influence this is related to

[3:45:36] Planner Zupanec: docs specifically um and that this could be part of your shoreline protection area requirements

[3:45:42] Planner Zupanec: that these types of this level of detail is consistent and required and reflected in your

[3:45:47] Planner Zupanec: guidelines for any new or significant renovation of dots that would trigger a dp example so if

[3:45:58] Planner Zupanec: you'd like to see that incorporated into draft language moving forward then we would do that

[3:46:03] Planner Zupanec: as well for dmr i

[3:46:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): think it's a good idea well aware of this yeah

[3:46:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): and again it's if we can

[3:46:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): can coordinate with that's what the job or that's what the HESBRI is there for um this benefits

[3:46:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): them but it's a coordination of um process through the house out and it does then dovetail into the

[3:46:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): the social and and their advocacy as well so it's all sort of starting to come together and one

[3:46:43] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, so what I would do then is come back in October with these recommendations spelled out a little bit more succinctly so then you can vote on which one you've had time to think about it too in terms of table one.

[3:46:55] Planner Zupanec: Table two, which is specific to the public engagement recommendations, then we can go through those in a similar fashion.

[3:47:01] Planner Zupanec: it might be a lot quicker because you'll already have um possibly come prepared to either endorse or

[3:47:08] Planner Zupanec: not endorse and know which ones you'd like the apc to specifically work on that'll help advance

[3:47:14] Planner Zupanec: this item a little bit more quickly took a little bit longer than we anticipated on your agenda but

[3:47:18] Planner Zupanec: i think it's important to test the format out and see if it works better final product so i've got

[3:47:27] Planner Zupanec: enough direction okay to practice and then then we can really hit the ground running after your

[3:47:36] Planner Zupanec: october meeting thank

[3:47:38] Planner Zupanec: you for your patience working through this format and we haven't done

[3:47:41] Planner Zupanec: it before but i can go to cross-referencing nicely with the documentation that we have so that

[3:47:46] Planner Zupanec: your decision making is clear um

[3:47:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): so in reference to table two which we're not looking at right now

[3:47:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): No, but there's a number of things that dovetail perfectly in table one.

[3:48:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'm hoping that we have the

[3:48:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): efficiency to do both.

[3:48:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): It would be much quicker for sure.

[3:48:07] Planner Zupanec: Really, it's understanding where you want the help of your advisory planning commission,

[3:48:11] Planner Zupanec: if you can pre-contemplate that and be prepared to let me know.

[3:48:15] Planner Zupanec: That way we can just start working with them.

[3:48:17] Planner Zupanec: Yeah,

[3:48:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think the only thing that is highlighting that, that this is the direction of the OCP. It's not specifically First Nations or community. I want to just see it as OCP advanced, and then it takes that potential tension off the table.

[3:48:37] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, there's not a lot of room, I think, for the First Nations piece to have a lot

[3:48:42] Planner Zupanec: of community discussion at this point in the drafting. I think that's more appropriate

[3:48:46] Planner Zupanec: after the drafts have been endorsed, but not in draft format. So, okay, thank you so much.

[3:48:52] Planner Zupanec: I'm going to...

[3:48:53] Planner Zupanec: I'll

[3:48:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): get you down.

[3:48:54] Planner Zupanec: I'll get you down.

[3:48:56] Planner Zupanec: I can let you down.

[3:48:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, good.

[3:48:58] Voice 13: We're not far from concluding.

[3:49:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got 20 minutes.

[3:49:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let's try and get this done because we're almost nothing left here to do yeah

[3:49:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay she's gonna be

[3:49:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): she can see the

[3:49:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): link so i'm gonna move along saying thank you sonya

[3:49:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): this is great so no trust conservancy report no applications report we've got trustee and local

[3:49:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): expense report dated may 2024 that's different many better questions go to nancy or the or the

[3:49:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): chair of fpc or somebody else um adopted policies and standing resolutions i would just suggest we

[3:49:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): receive that information so it's therefore first nations are safe relationship building update is

[3:49:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): there anything from anybody we want to know obviously sonya has had lots of dialogue with

[3:49:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh squamish first nation and thank you for that anything else from anybody all right um

[3:49:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee web page unless there's something really unusual i think that's just their

[3:50:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): work program the active projects and the future projects are there any changes or

[3:50:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): otherwise we just receive that information so for the members of the public our next uh upcoming

[3:50:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting is a public hearing tomorrow for bylaws numbers 153 and 154 and that is going to be uh

[3:50:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): in Gibsons at the

[3:50:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gibsons Market.

[3:50:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gibsons Market. Thank you very much.

[3:50:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): At 10 o'clock.

[3:50:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): And following that,

[3:50:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): the next regular meeting is scheduled

[3:50:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): for Tuesday, October 1st,

[3:50:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): where we'll be reviewing

[3:50:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): the work that Sonia

[3:50:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): completed for us based upon today's

[3:50:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussions, as well as table

[3:50:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): two.

[3:50:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just want to remind us that

[3:50:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): projects list is updates to other

[3:50:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): OTPs came up earlier. Do we want to flag that in some way or we'll pick that up at our next meeting?

[3:51:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Let's pick it up in the next meeting because I think it's the bigger deal.

[3:51:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay

[3:51:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): well then in that case I'm going to call for adjournment. All those in favor? Fantastic.

[3:51:11] Voice 7: So I'll tie you up.

ADOPTED 
 
 
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Local Trust Committee Minutes 
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Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
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Location:  
July 30, 2024 
Gambier Island Community Centre 
Andy's Bay Road, Gambier Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Trustee 
 Joe Bernardo, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Planner 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Lisa Millard, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were approximately eight (8) members of the public in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 11:00 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following changes to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Item 8.1  Defer GM-DVP-2023.4 to December meeting 
 Item 11   Remove 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported the following: 
 Highlighted Gambier Island community news including Community Association 
fundraiser for safety shelter, Gambier Island store is for sale, and Brigade Bay 
designated as the first FireSmart community on Sunshine Coast; 
 Continued Governance Committee work; and 
 Attended Eastbourne community AGM. 
 Trustee Bernardo reported the following: 
 Encouraged attendance at Public Hearing on Bylaw No. 153 and No. 154 regarding 
setbacks on Keats Island; 

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 Governance Committee continues to work on request to the Province to conduct 
Islands Trust governance review; and 
 Ongoing participation in CAO Hiring Committee and noted appointment of interim 
CAO Julia Mobbs. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Luckham reported the following: 
 Executive Committee working on First Nations referral policy; 
 Ongoing Bylaw Enforcement process review; 
 Upcoming implementation of public portal enabling access to bylaw enforcement 
file information;  
 Continued discussions on draft Policy Statement; 
 Corporate and strategic planning processes underway to improve manner in which 
Islands Trust conducts day to day business; 
 CAO hiring process continues; 
 September Trust Council meeting to be held in Nanaimo; and 
 Acknowledged losses related to Jasper, Alberta wildfire and noted importance of 
fire safety awareness for those that live in forested fire interface areas. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Electoral Area Director Stamford reported the following: 
 Sunshine Coast Regional District primary focus is water; 
 SCRD, which includes Eastbourne on Keats Islands, is experiencing a water deficit; 
 Looking at new wells in Sechelt area and potential new water sources; 
 Installation of water meters for purpose of water conservation awareness and leak 
detection; 
 Development of communications campaign focussed on household water use 
reduction from current average of 400 litres to 200 litres per day; 
 Continued focus on seeking negotiated solutions for New Brighton dock; and 
 Chaired a public hearing for Sunshine Coast Regional District regarding riparian area 
protections and marine setbacks. 
4. DELEGATIONS 
4.1 Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society regarding Other Effective Area-Based 
Conservation measures within the A
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tl'ka7tsem / Howe Sound Biosphere Region 
Ruth Simmons, Executive Director, Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society 
provided a presentation and highlighted the following: 
 Non-profit society responsible for management of the designation of Howe Sound 
UNESCO Biosphere; 
 Focus of presentation is OECMs (other effective area based conservation measures) 
which refers to lands that are not fully protected such as parks and Indigenous 
lands; 
 Islands Trust Policy Statement Objective 3 aligns with common goals of biodiversity 
conservation;  
 Islands Trust nature reserves are in their database as protected; 

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 Opportunity to look at what lands on Gambier are not in the database but meet the 
criteria; 
 Peter Shields Regional Park can be easily registered as protected; 
 Gambier Island Land Use Bylaw zoning does not include a conservation or 
preservation zone and perhaps this can be considered during the review of the 
Official Community Plan; 
 Requested the Local Trust Committee collaborate to confirm data, consider zoning 
that strengthens long-term conservation and protection of land of in-situ 
biodiversity, and prioritize rezoning of Sunshine Coast Regional District parks from 
rural residential to align with their protections. 
 
Trustee Stamford acknowledged there is opportunity for advocacy and further 
communication. 
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
 A member of the public asked Trustee Stamford about the costs associated with building the 
fire equipment shelter. 
o Trustee replied they did not have specific information, as it was a fundraising 
campaign led by the Gambier Island Community Association. 
 
 A member of the public spoke to concerns about trees overhanging hydro lines creating 
potential fire risk. 
o Trustee noted BC Hydro removes the overhanging trees within the road allowance 
annually. 
 
 A member of the public spoke to the impact of rapidly changing climate conditions, Official 
Community Plan amendments to setbacks are in response to these changes, and a 
representative from the Sunshine Coast Regional District went to Brigade Bay and provided 
information for each property owner on ways they can FireSmart their properties. 
o Trustee noted the FireSmart Coordinator provides free assessments and 
recommendations for property owners. 
 
 A member of the public asked if the Gambier Island store property is zoned as commercial 
and if the property can become part of the Sunshine Coast Regional District park lands if the 
business does not sell. 
o Planner replied that rezoning requires an application from the property owner, the 
Local Trust Committee can initiate rezoning, and residential use on said property 
may be accessory to the commercial zone, subject to confirmation in the Land Use 
Bylaw. 
 
A member of the public spoke to discussions with Telus resulting in continued phone booth 
service on Gambier. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated April 29, 2024 - for adoption 
By general consent, the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of April 29, 2024 were 
adopted. 

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6.2 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated May 28, 2024 - for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Page 2 of the Minutes, Electoral Area Director Report, bullet point 2 “Transit buses 
have changed their schedules with the goal of increasing transit throughout the 
region and all school-aged students will get free transit on the Sunshine Coast 
starting in September 2024” was said in error and should state “BC Transit on 
Sunshine Coast is determining an increase in transit service.” 
 Page 2 of the Minutes, Item 7.2, change third bullet point to state “Gambier Island 
identifies two aquifers but there are potentially other unmapped aquifers on the 
island.” 
 
By general consent, the minutes were adopted as amended. 
6.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none 
6.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated July 23, 2024 
Received for information. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 GM-DVP-2023.4 (Joos) - Staff Report 
At the applicant’s request this item was deferred to the November 26, 2024 meeting. 
The meeting was recessed for a break at 12:03 p.m. and reconvened at 12:55 p.m. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Gambier Island Official Community Plan Review - Staff Report  
The Planner summarized the Staff Report and highlighted the following: 
 Local Trust Committee requested staff engage Squamish Nation regarding the 
Official Community Plan review project; 
 Recommendations in Options and Implications Table 1 result from engagement with 
Squamish Nation who identified the items as high priority; 
 Recommendations in Table 2 result from the public engagement process; 
 Seeking clarification on the recommendations and confirmation the Local Trust 
Committee wishes to proceed prior to drafting bylaw language; and 
 Sample language for draft bylaws to be prepared in consultation with Squamish 
Nation; 
 
Discussion ensued and the Planner provided information and clarification for each of the 
items listed on Table 1 of the Cha7élkwnech (Gambier Island) Official Community Plan 
(OCP) and Land Use Bylaw (LUB) Review Options and Implications and comments were 
noted as follows: 
 

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A1 – A4 Update with Cha7élkwnech (Gambier Island) references throughout and include 
appropriate land acknowledgement, place names, and Reconciliation commitment 
statements. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 
A5 Recognize impacts of settlement, protected areas, and residential development on 
First Nations rights and title. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 Trustee asked how this information fits into the OCP and expressed need for 
balanced information.  
 Planner confirmed the information forms part of the background detail included 
in the OCP and the draft will contain balanced context on the history of the 
Gambier Island Local Trust Area. 
 
A6 Assist in coordinating, funding and/or installing First Nations language signage where 
appropriate. 
 Trustees noted this was an advocacy piece not related to policy directive and 
indicated it could be an agenda item for the annual meeting with Sunshine 
Coast Regional District (SCRD). 
 
Trustees asked that the scheduling of a protocol meeting with Squamish Nation be 
added to the next Local Trust Committee meeting agenda. 
 
B1 Maintain existing climate change adaptation and mitigation objectives and policies.  
 No action required. 
 
B2 Climate Change Adaptation and Mitigation section to include references to reduced 
access to harvest areas/food insecurity related to climate change. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 Trustee stated concerns including lack of jurisdiction to apply this to Land Use 
Bylaws and balancing rights of private property owners.  
 Planner noted the Local Trust Committee has tangible tools such as the 
Development Permit Area and Heritage Conservation Area designations, 
importance of recognizing the impacts on First Nations rights and title and 
access to traditional harvest territories, and the item can be either an advocacy 
or policy piece. 
 
B3 Align with zero-net emissions targets set by adjacent communities. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 
B4 Work with Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD) to pilot requirement that new 
residential and institutional construction meet highest construction and energy 
standards. 
 Trustees indicated they can advocate for stronger building codes with SCRD 
during annual meetings and noted a concern about creating higher standards 
than building permit requirements. 
 

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B5 Amend Climate Change Adaption and Mitigation section to separate policies into 
clearer categories. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 
B6 Set specific targets and ensure net-zero emission targets are addressed wherever 
possible within the policies. 
 Planner indicated this can be deferred until it is determined if the SCRD will be 
an early adopter of standards outlined in Item B4.  
 
B7 Work with SCRD to pilot high level of Step Code implementation for all new 
construction/dwellings.  
 To be added to the discussions with SCRD. 
 
B8 Explore implementation of a Development Permit Area for energy and water 
conservation. 
 Not endorsed, Trustees prefer educational role.  
B9 Separate storm water and water conservation objectives. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
B10 Advocate for regional district and provincial rebates for energy efficient upgrades 
and retrofits to home. 
 To be added to SCRD meeting agenda. 
C1 Explore implementation of shoreline Development Permit Area or Heritage 
Conservation Area to be applied island-wide or up to 200 metres from the setback of 
the natural boundary of the sea. 
 Planner clarified that Squamish Nation identified 200 metres as a buffer area of 
high cultural/arch potential for applications they receive within their regions.  
 Trustee noted they would like to see evidence-based justification for the 200 
metre area. Planner noted they would not be requesting evidence based 
justification from the Nation staff as this information was received as a direct 
result of engagement. If the LTC needs more detail the request to staff would 
need to be by resolution from the LTC. 
 Trustees indicated they would like further information on the possibilities of 
implementing a Heritage Conservation Area. 
 
The Table does not include Item C2. 
 
C3 Explore use of a Development Approval Information Bylaw to require a Preliminary 
Field Reconnaissance, Archaeological Overview Assessment, or Archaeological Impact 
Assessment for density increase rezoning applications or intensity of use. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 
C4 Use Development Approval Information Bylaw to require a biophysical inventory for 
rezoning applications where increase in density or intensity of uses is being proposed 
anywhere on the island, to identify forest characteristics, sites of highest biodiversity, 
species at risk.  
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 

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 Trustees noted potential larger ramifications but are interested in receiving 
more details. 
 
D1 Maintain existing Development Permit Area for stream and watercourses. 
 No action required. 
 
D2 Work with First Nations and other partners to strengthen and restore island 
biodiversity. 
 Identified as an advocacy piece and the Planner noted resolution language can 
be provided for Local Trust Committee consideration to determine if they want 
to advance this work. 
 
D3 Explore implementation of shoreline Development Permit Area to apply 30 metres 
setback from of the natural boundary of the sea to be applied island-wide. 
 Planner stated this was similar to Item C1 and can be addressed when a report 
is provided for that item. 
 
D4 Coordinate with Province for new dock tenures to be supported by a Preliminary 
Field Reconnaissance, Archaeological Overview Assessment or Archaeological Impact 
Assessment. 
 Identified as an advocacy piece. 
 
D5 Use Development Permit Area to ensure all new or renovated docks adhere to Howe 
Sound Biosphere Region dock policy. 
 Endorsed by the Local Trust Committee. 
 
The Planner stated that recommendations for items in Table 1 will be written and 
provided for the Local Trust Committee’s consideration at the October, 2024 meeting at 
which time they can review Table 2 and also consider referrals to the Advisory Planning 
Commission. Further discussion on this agenda item was deferred to the next business 
meeting. 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 Email from Aidan Buckley, Sunshine Coast Regional District dated July 12, 2024 
regarding Hopkins Landing Engagement Summary 
  Received for information. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Sunshine Coast Regional District Parks and Howe Sound Biosphere Region's Request - 
Trustee Stamford Verbal Update 
Item removed from agenda. 
12. STAFF REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report - none 

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12.2 Applications Report - none 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated May, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received for information. 
12.5 First Nations Relationship Building Update - None 
12.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No updates. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated July 23, 2024 
  Received for information. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated July 23, 2024 
  Received for information. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 10:00 am and to be 
held electronically 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 2:50 p.m. 
 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder